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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:43,252 --> 00:00:46,096 [ Man Narrating] We're looking into a classroom. 2 00:00:46,213 --> 00:00:49,888 You know ifs a classroom because your eyes tell you. 3 00:00:50,008 --> 00:00:52,181 Think for a moment how many things you know... 4 00:00:52,302 --> 00:00:54,646 just because your eyes tell you. 5 00:00:54,763 --> 00:00:58,063 You know what the weather is like when you look outside. 6 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,439 You know that Tommy Walker wore his plaid shirt today. 7 00:01:03,855 --> 00:01:06,108 You can read your lessons and learn things... 8 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:08,406 because you can see. 9 00:01:08,527 --> 00:01:12,282 You know your teacher better because you can see her. 10 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:16,411 Watch, now. Use your eyes... 11 00:01:16,535 --> 00:01:20,039 and you'll learn how you can take good care of your eyes. 12 00:01:21,039 --> 00:01:23,383 About five years ago, I was running a lathe... 13 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:26,003 and had safety glasses on, and as I was running the lathe... 14 00:01:26,128 --> 00:01:28,927 a piece of hot steel chipped off... 15 00:01:29,047 --> 00:01:32,802 bounced off of my cheek, off the glass, and went into my eye. 16 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:35,645 So, um, in about a day or two, I couldn't really see. 17 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:39,232 My eye was really hurting bad. I couldn't even do paperwork in my office. 18 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,647 The fluorescent light in my office would hurt my eye. 19 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:44,146 I had to wear sunglasses while I was doing paperwork. 20 00:01:44,271 --> 00:01:46,990 So eventually I went to the doctor. 21 00:01:47,149 --> 00:01:50,403 When I got there, I told him, "My eye's killing me. I can't really see out of it." 22 00:01:50,527 --> 00:01:53,497 So he put some liquid cocaine eyedrops in... 23 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:56,584 which immediately just - relief. 24 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,294 I could see everything. I thought it was over with. I was ready to leave. 25 00:01:59,411 --> 00:02:02,210 And the doctor said, “No, no, no,” so he brought me into the office... 26 00:02:02,331 --> 00:02:04,754 and when I went into the office, he took a swab... 27 00:02:04,875 --> 00:02:07,344 put a chemical on it, and rubbed it into my eye. 28 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:11,386 After he did that, he turned out the lights and put on an ultraviolet light. 29 00:02:11,506 --> 00:02:14,726 He looked in, and everything was glowing in my eye. 30 00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:17,187 He said he could see a big ole' sliver of steel... 31 00:02:17,304 --> 00:02:20,478 that was right on the edge of the blue part right next to the pupil... 32 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:22,601 and he said if it'd been over just a fraction more... 33 00:02:22,726 --> 00:02:24,854 it would've put my eye out. 34 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:29,116 So I asked him what to do, and he said, "Put your head in this harness.” 35 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:31,360 So I put my head in the harness like this... 36 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:33,362 and he pulled out a hypodermic needle. 37 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:35,910 I thought I was getting a shot in the eye, and he said, "No, don't worry.” 38 00:02:36,031 --> 00:02:39,205 He took the needle off the end of it, and he came at my eye... 39 00:02:39,326 --> 00:02:43,251 and pulled out a piece of steel about an inch long out of my eye. 40 00:02:44,539 --> 00:02:46,541 And that's about it. 41 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,671 Well, I sleep with my eyes open... 42 00:02:49,795 --> 00:02:53,516 and they dry out, and then when I blink... 43 00:02:53,632 --> 00:02:57,262 my eyelids tear pieces of my eye off. 44 00:02:57,386 --> 00:02:59,309 Very painful. 45 00:02:59,429 --> 00:03:02,729 And I've tried a number of things... 46 00:03:02,891 --> 00:03:05,394 to try to keep this from happening. 47 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,484 I wrapped an ACE bandage around my eyes one night... 48 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:11,028 to try to keep them shut, but that didn't work... 49 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:14,904 and tried loading my eyes up with all kinds of goop... 50 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:17,281 to keep them wet during the night - that didn't work. 51 00:03:17,406 --> 00:03:19,408 So what I've been doing is... 52 00:03:19,574 --> 00:03:21,417 taping them shut at night... 53 00:03:21,576 --> 00:03:23,795 which seems to work okay. 54 00:03:23,912 --> 00:03:27,416 But it's pretty uncomfortable. It looks pretty funny too. 55 00:03:27,541 --> 00:03:30,761 Well, what happened - I went to dinner with the wife... 56 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:33,756 and, um, I started getting a headache... 57 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,303 a real bad headache, and I never was sick before... 58 00:03:36,425 --> 00:03:38,928 so I said, "Well, let's go to a hospital." 59 00:03:39,094 --> 00:03:41,688 She said, “You just got a headache. Let's go home and get some aspirin." 60 00:03:41,805 --> 00:03:44,103 I said, “No, let's go to the hospital.” 61 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:47,023 So we went to Baptist Hospital... 62 00:03:47,144 --> 00:03:50,364 and we got there, and my eye started closing. 63 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,029 My, uh - It just started - 64 00:03:53,150 --> 00:03:55,824 One eye just started closing, on the right. 65 00:03:55,944 --> 00:03:59,949 And it started hurting real bad, and I was talking to the nurse... 66 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:01,958 and the doctor was coming through the hall... 67 00:04:02,117 --> 00:04:04,620 while I was explaining to her what was going on. 68 00:04:04,745 --> 00:04:07,794 And he looked at me and grabbed me and took me upstairs... 69 00:04:07,956 --> 00:04:10,926 and they took me right into X-ray, and they checked it out. 70 00:04:11,042 --> 00:04:15,297 And what it was, it was an aneurysm behind my optic nerve... 71 00:04:15,464 --> 00:04:18,513 and it was pressing against the nerve, and it started ballooning out... 72 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:20,931 and it started getting ready to bust. 73 00:04:21,052 --> 00:04:23,521 And they took me right into surgery. 74 00:04:23,638 --> 00:04:26,016 They cut my deal open... 75 00:04:26,141 --> 00:04:28,644 and did microscopic surgery... 76 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:31,529 right behind the optic nerve. 77 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:35,492 They sealed off the blood vessel that was ballooning out. 78 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:39,075 And later the doctor told me if I would've waited... 79 00:04:39,196 --> 00:04:42,871 like an hour more, I wouldn't be living today, you know. 80 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:44,834 And the wife told me to go home. 81 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:48,626 If I'd have went home, I wouldn't have made it to the hospital. 82 00:04:48,747 --> 00:04:52,547 Well, it's really difficult to tell anybody this story... 83 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:56,012 because it was such a dumb thing to do, but... 84 00:04:56,171 --> 00:04:58,469 I accidentally... 85 00:04:58,590 --> 00:05:01,184 put Super Glue in my eye... 86 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:03,850 thinking I was putting eyedrops. 87 00:05:04,012 --> 00:05:06,185 It was very late at night. 88 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:08,684 I guess things like this always happen late at night... 89 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:11,194 but my husband drags me off to the emergency room. 90 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:14,152 I'm screaming. I think I've been disfigured... 91 00:05:14,272 --> 00:05:17,321 or blinded, at the least. 92 00:05:17,442 --> 00:05:22,243 We're there for several hours, and I'm told that... 93 00:05:22,364 --> 00:05:25,743 I can either have surgery to open the eye... 94 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,541 or I can just wait... 95 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:31,172 for the Super Glue to dissolve. 96 00:05:31,289 --> 00:05:35,135 I understand it does not adhere to human tissue... 97 00:05:35,252 --> 00:05:38,256 and I was told that that would probably be the best option. 98 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:41,475 So that's what I did. I waited... 99 00:05:41,591 --> 00:05:44,845 three or four days, and finally it just loosened on its own. 100 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:46,972 And it all flaked out... 101 00:05:47,097 --> 00:05:49,395 and I'm not blind. 102 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:54,238 I have funny eyelashes, but otherwise I'm okay. 103 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:58,200 It was about ten years ago. I was doing a brake job on my pickup truck... 104 00:05:58,316 --> 00:06:01,490 and, uh, I was cleaning the backing plate. 105 00:06:01,611 --> 00:06:04,706 I had it up on blocks. I had the wheels and everything torn apart... 106 00:06:04,823 --> 00:06:07,372 and I was cleaning the backing plate with a wire brush... 107 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:09,665 on an air tool... 108 00:06:09,786 --> 00:06:12,630 and there was one spot left, about the size of a quarter... 109 00:06:12,747 --> 00:06:15,375 and the only way I could see it was to look around to the side. 110 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:19,380 And it was throwing dirt back on me, so I thought about getting safety glasses... 111 00:06:19,504 --> 00:06:22,132 but then I thought, "Nah, it's only the size of a quarter. 112 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,601 I'll finish it right away.” So I stuck the tool back in... 113 00:06:24,718 --> 00:06:26,595 and sure enough, a little dirt in the eye. 114 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:28,684 So I went into my trailer... 115 00:06:28,805 --> 00:06:30,807 and I went into the bathroom. 116 00:06:30,932 --> 00:06:34,106 I looked in the mirror and opened my eye up like this... 117 00:06:34,227 --> 00:06:37,777 and sure enough, bull's-eye - a piece of wire sticking straight in the eye. 118 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:40,863 And I tried to grab it with my finger... 119 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:43,703 and it was too short, so I went outside and got my pliers... 120 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:45,948 wiped the grease off, came in, grabbed hold of 'em... 121 00:06:46,072 --> 00:06:48,825 and I started pulling, and the eye was stretching out. 122 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:51,123 And I thought, “I don't know what I should do... 123 00:06:51,286 --> 00:06:53,789 but if I go see a doctor, they'll have to take it out." 124 00:06:53,955 --> 00:06:56,959 So I grabbed it again with the pliers and pulled it out... 125 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:59,632 and when I did, it tore a hole in the eye... 126 00:06:59,794 --> 00:07:02,172 and the front sac of the eye drained all the fluid out... 127 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:04,425 and I was blinded in one eye. 128 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:08,099 And the worst part was, I had to finish the brake job with one eye - 129 00:07:08,219 --> 00:07:11,769 two and a half hours - so I could drive into town and see a doctor. 130 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:14,860 Well, this incident took place right after a karate event. 131 00:07:14,976 --> 00:07:16,944 I had placed well in a tournament... 132 00:07:17,062 --> 00:07:20,987 was leaving the exhibit hall, and was carrying a trophy. 133 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,781 I sensed something was wrong, though. 134 00:07:23,902 --> 00:07:26,621 I did a 360-degree turnaround. 135 00:07:26,738 --> 00:07:29,992 I really felt something was wrong. Maybe somebody was there. 136 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:32,160 But I was excited I had done well at the tournament... 137 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:34,500 so I proceeded on to the parking lot... 138 00:07:34,663 --> 00:07:38,759 took a couple of steps, and someone or something hit me from behind. 139 00:07:38,875 --> 00:07:42,004 I later found out to be the trophy, the karate trophy I was carrying... 140 00:07:42,128 --> 00:07:45,177 with the foot figure and the hand figure... 141 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:47,593 it raked right across my eye... 142 00:07:47,717 --> 00:07:49,594 and I fell to the ground... 143 00:07:49,719 --> 00:07:52,142 and immediately put my hand upon my eye... 144 00:07:52,263 --> 00:07:55,358 and felt a golf-ball-size object... 145 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:57,694 which I later found out to be my eye. 146 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:59,939 My instinct was to push up. 147 00:08:00,063 --> 00:08:03,067 I pushed and held pressure and looked up... 148 00:08:03,191 --> 00:08:05,569 and there was someone taunting me... 149 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:07,696 and I later found out it was to be someone... 150 00:08:07,862 --> 00:08:10,411 who I'd fought earlier in the day at the karate event. 151 00:08:10,532 --> 00:08:13,081 I went on a fishing trip with some kids. 152 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:16,296 We were on the bank of Camp Singing Waters River... 153 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,415 and while we were standing there, I was baiting my hook... 154 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:21,214 and somebody in front of me must have flipped back their pole. 155 00:08:21,376 --> 00:08:24,095 And I can still see this image, and their arm's about to move forward... 156 00:08:24,212 --> 00:08:26,715 and a tug on my eyelid, and the hook had come... 157 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,468 right through my eyelid and was pulling my eyelid out. 158 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:31,720 A lady grabbed the kid, knocked him to the ground... 159 00:08:31,845 --> 00:08:33,472 and grabbed the string. 160 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:36,224 Somehow they cut the string, and I had to walk back to the camp. 161 00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:39,486 After they took the worm off, all I had was a hook sticking in my eye... 162 00:08:39,602 --> 00:08:41,445 and they were able to get it out. 163 00:08:41,563 --> 00:08:44,908 Well, I was cleaning my mother's oven with a heavy-duty oven cleaner... 164 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:47,694 and the thought had crossed my mind to put some glasses on. 165 00:08:47,819 --> 00:08:51,289 And right at that moment, I hit the back corner of the oven with the sponge... 166 00:08:51,406 --> 00:08:54,205 and it sprayed right into my left eye. 167 00:08:54,325 --> 00:08:56,748 And the pain was just excruciating... 168 00:08:56,870 --> 00:09:01,046 and I immediately ran to the sink and started flushing my eye with water. 169 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:04,716 And once I regained some of my thoughts and composure... 170 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:07,180 I ran into the shower and shaved - 171 00:09:07,297 --> 00:09:09,425 not “shaved,” excuse me - 172 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,473 washed my eye out, oh, for about 20 minutes. 173 00:09:12,594 --> 00:09:14,847 And then I realized that I had no money... 174 00:09:14,971 --> 00:09:18,271 and no way to get to a hospital, because I'm in Washington, D.C... 175 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:20,610 and my mother was out with the car. 176 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:23,981 So at that point, I decided to make some phone calls... 177 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:25,982 and call my dad, and he's a doctor... 178 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:28,235 and he said that I did the right thing. 179 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:30,236 And at that point, Mom came home... 180 00:09:30,361 --> 00:09:32,989 took me to the emergency room, where they signed me in... 181 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:35,617 and I had to wait about two hours until the doctor told me... 182 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:37,627 that I saved my own eye. 183 00:09:37,786 --> 00:09:40,585 And that's pretty much what happened to my eye. 184 00:09:42,791 --> 00:09:44,714 N' [ Hypnotic Droning] 185 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:45,380 [ Spalding Gray] I think - I think it all began... 186 00:09:45,381 --> 00:09:47,720 [ Spalding Gray] I think - I think it all began... 187 00:09:47,837 --> 00:09:49,965 the summer that I turned 50. 188 00:09:50,131 --> 00:09:54,511 I was leading a storytelling workshop in upstate New York, about 15 people in it. 189 00:09:54,636 --> 00:09:56,730 I asked them before they began telling their stories... 190 00:09:56,846 --> 00:10:00,020 to sit in a circle as a kind of centering exercise... 191 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:02,269 and just look into one an0ther's eyes. 192 00:10:02,393 --> 00:10:03,895 Just eyes. 193 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:05,988 “When you get tired of looking into one person's eyes... 194 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:08,905 move on to the next, and so on around the circle.” 195 00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:11,869 And I was participating in this exercise... 196 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:15,331 and I got locked into the eyes... 197 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:19,078 of this one particular woman and could not get out. 198 00:10:19,202 --> 00:10:22,001 Her name: Azaria Thornbird. 199 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:24,420 She was tall, blond, blue eyes... 200 00:10:24,541 --> 00:10:28,091 about 33 years old, dressed in white - the Immaculate Conception. 201 00:10:28,211 --> 00:10:30,464 And I got locked into her eyes and mesmerized. 202 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:33,967 And as I was staring at her face, I saw that it was slowly decomposing... 203 00:10:34,092 --> 00:10:37,312 and drooling down off of her skull like a horror movie. 204 00:10:37,428 --> 00:10:39,476 - Like a bad LSD trip. - [♪♪ Intensifies ] 205 00:10:39,597 --> 00:10:42,942 And all of a sudden, her face turned into this pulsing oval ball of white light. 206 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:46,529 I'd never seen anything like it except on the cover of a Carlos Castaneda book. 207 00:10:46,688 --> 00:10:49,817 And it was dilating my pupils, this light. Then all of a sudden - boom! 208 00:10:49,941 --> 00:10:52,035 It came together in a point, shot out the window... 209 00:10:52,152 --> 00:10:54,200 like a white tornado, and her face recomposed... 210 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,197 and was smiling back at me. 211 00:10:56,364 --> 00:11:00,085 - And immediately my rational, logical voice kicked in and said... - ♪♪[ends] 212 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:03,626 “That was just a case of backlighting, wasn't it? 213 00:11:03,746 --> 00:11:06,841 Dilating my pupils like that - it was extreme backlighting. 214 00:11:09,878 --> 00:11:11,972 Backlighting.” 215 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:15,467 So I got back home... 216 00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:17,890 where I was trying to work on and finish my novel... 217 00:11:18,011 --> 00:11:20,309 Impossible Vacation. 218 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,024 And I was reading over and over a particularly painful section... 219 00:11:23,141 --> 00:11:25,189 about my mother's suicide... 220 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:27,187 trying to get it right... 221 00:11:27,312 --> 00:11:30,907 and I noticed that the print on the page was breaking down. 222 00:11:31,065 --> 00:11:33,989 I assumed it couldn't be the print. I thought it must be eye fatigue. 223 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:36,363 So I remember playing around with my eyes. 224 00:11:36,487 --> 00:11:38,660 I started by covering my left eye... 225 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:40,658 and everything on the right was in focus... 226 00:11:40,783 --> 00:11:43,081 no matter where I put the manuscript. 227 00:11:43,203 --> 00:11:45,672 Then I covered my right... 228 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:48,132 and everything was out of focus... 229 00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:51,219 no matter where I held the manuscript. 230 00:11:51,336 --> 00:11:53,304 And this was pretty frightening. 231 00:11:53,421 --> 00:11:56,391 It was so frightening, I thought I'd better forget about it. 232 00:11:56,507 --> 00:12:00,228 Finish the novel first, then worry about my eyes. 233 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:05,067 So it was about four months before I got up the courage to get an eye examination. 234 00:12:05,183 --> 00:12:07,652 I didn't have an ophthalmologist, so I had one recommended to me... 235 00:12:07,769 --> 00:12:09,942 a Dr. Schecter on the Upper East Side. 236 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:13,408 And I went up for the standard exam, not telling him anything about my eyes... 237 00:12:13,524 --> 00:12:16,243 and he began with a little penlight, shining it into my right eye... 238 00:12:16,361 --> 00:12:18,455 then over to my left, then to my right again. 239 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:21,120 Things were going smoothly. Over to my left. 240 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:24,456 Then just as he's pulling to my right, he goes left, left. 241 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:26,667 He brings down all these other instruments. Left, left, left. 242 00:12:26,788 --> 00:12:30,213 It's like a scene from General Hospital, only the dramatic music is missing. 243 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,711 He pulls all the instruments away, and he says... 244 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:35,554 “I think you have something wrong with the retina of your left eye... 245 00:12:35,672 --> 00:12:39,017 but I can't tell you what it is because I'm not a retina specialist. 246 00:12:39,133 --> 00:12:41,010 But I can recommend one to you, and I think... 247 00:12:41,135 --> 00:12:44,105 you should go to him this afternoon.” 248 00:12:44,222 --> 00:12:47,226 So he recommends a Dr. Mendel on the Upper West Side. 249 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:50,820 I don't even bother to take a cab. I charge from the Upper East to the Upper West... 250 00:12:50,937 --> 00:12:53,281 running through Central Park with my hand over my right eye... 251 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,742 noticing, “Oh, my God! This is really serious. 252 00:12:55,858 --> 00:12:58,031 The trees are all wavy. There's no right angles. 253 00:12:58,152 --> 00:13:00,120 The Rollerbladers are fuzz balls.” 254 00:13:00,238 --> 00:13:02,582 I get to Dr. Mendel's office. The first thing that happens... 255 00:13:02,699 --> 00:13:04,827 is the nurse comes out, and she puts drops in my eyes. 256 00:13:04,993 --> 00:13:08,247 I don't know what they're for. I'm just doing what I do in any doctor's waiting room. 257 00:13:08,371 --> 00:13:12,092 I'm catching up on my reading, you know? People, Time, and Newsweek. 258 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:14,210 What else do you do in a doctor's waiting room? 259 00:13:14,335 --> 00:13:16,679 You don't look at the art! 260 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,549 So pretty soon I realize my pupils are dilating. 261 00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:22,928 She's put drops in my eyes to dilate my pupils, and I can't read anymore. 262 00:13:23,052 --> 00:13:25,680 I have to put down the books. I'm going blind in the waiting room. 263 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:27,682 I'm reduced to waiting. 264 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:30,310 I'm waiting "m the waiting room! 265 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:33,109 At last the nurse comes in and leads me in to Dr. Mendel. 266 00:13:33,229 --> 00:13:35,448 Introduces me. He's a bit of a fuzz ball to me... 267 00:13:35,565 --> 00:13:38,865 but what I do notice is, he's got this rather large syringe in his hand. 268 00:13:38,985 --> 00:13:41,704 He tells me he's got to shoot me up with some colored dye. 269 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:45,075 I think, “Why not? He's the doctor.” 270 00:13:45,199 --> 00:13:47,702 I mean, he's one of these guys you gotta ask, “Why? What for? 271 00:13:47,869 --> 00:13:51,169 What's going on?” with everything. So he tells me what he has to do... 272 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:54,634 is put colored dye in me to highlight the veins and capillaries in my eye... 273 00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:56,970 and take color photos of my eye. Fine. 274 00:13:57,086 --> 00:14:00,590 So the nurse puts my chin up on this brace, and I'm looking into two holes. 275 00:14:00,715 --> 00:14:03,764 Happens to be the camera. Happens to be a flash camera. 276 00:14:03,885 --> 00:14:06,559 Whoa! I'm pulling back. The nurse is not holding my hand. 277 00:14:06,721 --> 00:14:09,144 She's pushing my head forward. It's like a torture. 278 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:12,064 It's like a Clockwork Orange situation. All I can see is spots. 279 00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:14,854 I pull away. I see Dr. Mendel racing across his floor... 280 00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:16,822 gown blowing in the nonexistent breeze. 281 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:18,907 He's going off, scribbling madly in shorthand on a pad... 282 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:22,029 to develop the photographs, and I'm sitting there... 283 00:14:22,153 --> 00:14:23,655 waiting. 284 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:25,373 Dilated and waiting. 285 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:27,367 Now the nurse is holding my hand, telling me about... 286 00:14:27,492 --> 00:14:29,711 some package deal she has to the Bahamas. 287 00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:33,047 At last, Dr. Mendel breezes back into the room, scribbling on his pad. 288 00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:35,917 He goes past me to the telephone. Instead of speaking to me... 289 00:14:36,084 --> 00:14:38,212 he calls my ophthalmologist, Dr. Schecter. 290 00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:41,556 Dr. Schecter isn't in, so Dr. Mendel leaves a message. 291 00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:44,095 “Hello? Dr. Schecter? 292 00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:46,807 Dr. Mendel here. First of all, I want to thank you... 293 00:14:46,928 --> 00:14:50,307 for sending over your patient, Gary Spalding. 294 00:14:50,431 --> 00:14:53,310 Close inspection of the left macula shows that there is a distortion... 295 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:54,902 of the interior limiting membrane... 296 00:14:55,019 --> 00:14:57,738 secondary to the posterior hyaloid-face contraction. 297 00:14:57,855 --> 00:15:00,779 But the posterior hyaloid, which is attached to the optic nerve macula... 298 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:04,154 and major vessels of the retina, have remained attached and intact.” 299 00:15:04,278 --> 00:15:07,578 “Uh, Dr. Mandel. Over here, please. It's me, the patient.” 300 00:15:07,698 --> 00:15:10,326 He turns his back to me and goes on dictating. 301 00:15:10,451 --> 00:15:12,795 “With dissolution of the central vitreous gel... 302 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,880 the envelope that the vitreous gel is in begins to shrink... 303 00:15:14,997 --> 00:15:16,544 and distort the surface of the retina. 304 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:20,136 A fluorescein angiogram was done to determine the amount of vascular distortion. 305 00:15:20,294 --> 00:15:22,467 I was surprised to see... 306 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:26,934 that he has some minimal cystoid macula edema on that left eye... 307 00:15:27,051 --> 00:15:30,146 on the basis of that capillary incompetence from that distortion. 308 00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:32,311 Thank you very much.” 309 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:35,402 “Uh, Dr.-Dr. Mendel, please. 310 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:39,068 What is wrong with my left eye? Tell me.” 311 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:41,065 “Basically, Gary... 312 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:43,659 you have a macula pucker.” 313 00:15:44,902 --> 00:15:47,496 “A wh-wh-what - A ma-ma-mac- 314 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:50,329 A macula pucker? Wh-What is that, Dr. Mendel?” 315 00:15:50,491 --> 00:15:52,835 “Basically what's happened is that your vitreal gel... 316 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:55,125 has broken down and decomposed in your left eye... 317 00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:57,374 and pulled away from the macula... 318 00:15:57,498 --> 00:16:00,342 which is the center of the retina and responsible for all detail in vision. 319 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,009 Now, the breakdown of the vitreal gel is not that uncommon. 320 00:16:03,171 --> 00:16:06,846 We find in most autopsies that the cadaver no longer has a vitreal gel. 321 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,968 In your case you were less fortunate... 322 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:11,437 because in pulling away from the macula, it left a little piece of tissue... 323 00:16:11,554 --> 00:16:13,477 and it's caused your macula to pucker up. 324 00:16:13,598 --> 00:16:16,192 Think of your retina as a piece of Saran Wrap bunching. 325 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,483 You have a pucker, Gary. A pucker.” 326 00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:22,608 “But what would cause that? I can't possibly - 327 00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:24,609 I don't have it happen in my right eye. 328 00:16:24,734 --> 00:16:27,157 I mean, wh-what would cause a thing like that?” 329 00:16:27,278 --> 00:16:30,202 “I don't know. Did you have any trauma to that left eye?" 330 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:32,542 “Um, I can't think of any. 331 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,125 I mean, the last thing I remember happening to my left eye was so long ago. 332 00:16:36,245 --> 00:16:39,215 It was 1976, I remember. It was New Year's Eve. 333 00:16:39,332 --> 00:16:41,380 I was dancing with this woman. 334 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:44,671 She didn't have a good sense of her own personal space, if you know what I mean... 335 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:47,969 and her pinkie shot into my left eye, and she scratched my cornea. 336 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:50,468 It was tearing. It was painful. They put a patch over it.” 337 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:52,391 He just turns to me and says... 338 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:54,514 “You have a good memory, don't you, Gary?" 339 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,983 “But is there anything that could be - 340 00:16:57,099 --> 00:16:59,727 you know, be done for the left eye? Any corrective measures?" 341 00:16:59,894 --> 00:17:01,737 “Yes, I think so. 342 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:05,400 I recommend a little macular scraping." 343 00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:08,244 As soon as I heard that word "scraping”... 344 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,989 I knew I wanted a second, third, and fourth opinion. 345 00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:14,458 He tells me, don't bother. He's the best macular scraper in town. 346 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:17,499 Up until then, I really didn't like this man. Now I hated him. 347 00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:20,590 I had no problem walking right out of that office without any guilt. 348 00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:22,583 I go back and tell Renée what he said. 349 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,585 She's very upset, but she's also excited... 350 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:26,587 because it means she can do research. 351 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,589 It's gonna give her some focus. She's very good at research. 352 00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:31,593 She wants to find the best macular scraper in town. 353 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:34,436 I'm no good at research. What am I good at? I don't know. 354 00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:37,683 Sitting at my desk and speculating. Speculating on causes. 355 00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:40,606 Sitting down with my notebook. "What could have caused this thing?" 356 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:44,276 Because under no circumstances do I want it to happen to my right eye. 357 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,775 So I'm sitting there thinking, “lt's my book. 358 00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:49,027 That's 'n. Impossible Vacation. 359 00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:52,826 Reading over and over that painful section about my mother's suicide. 360 00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:56,577 I mean, without probably mourning her or grieving her loss... 361 00:17:56,701 --> 00:17:59,454 it probably made me cry in one major way. 362 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,877 My eye just exploded. One big tear.” 363 00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,968 Then I thought, “No, it's because I wrote it in the first person - the book. 364 00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:09,131 It was simply too much 'I, I, I, I, l."' 365 00:18:09,297 --> 00:18:12,426 Then I thought, “No, it's my left brain rebelling against my right.” 366 00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:14,769 Or vice versa, because I am dyslexic. 367 00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:16,887 Now, whenever I'd ask any of my New Age friends... 368 00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:19,436 what they thought was going on, they would say... 369 00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:23,607 “Well, what is it you don't want to see?" 370 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:26,106 And I had lists. 371 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:28,232 Then I thought it was my Oedipus complex... 372 00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:31,031 because the book Impossible Vacation was somewhat about that. 373 00:18:31,152 --> 00:18:34,497 Not that I was consciously aware of ever wanting to sleep with my mother... 374 00:18:34,655 --> 00:18:38,705 but at the time I was writing the book, I was reading Freud's essay on negation. 375 00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:42,672 And in that essay, Freud says the denial of some state of affairs... 376 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:45,132 is the implicit acknowledgement of it. 377 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:48,378 So that if a guy says he never wanted to sleep with his mother... 378 00:18:48,502 --> 00:18:51,676 the chances are he gave it some solid consideration. 379 00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:55,347 So I'm thinking now the unconscious part that gave it the solid consideration... 380 00:18:55,468 --> 00:18:59,098 is now reaching up and scratching out my eyes one at a time... 381 00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:02,100 beginning with my left and feminine eye. 382 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:05,478 So that's what I'm doing with my time! 383 00:19:05,603 --> 00:19:07,480 Meanwhile, while I was speculating on causes... 384 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:11,655 Renée was out looking for - and finding - one of the best macular men around. 385 00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:13,619 A Chinese doctor. I liked him immediately. 386 00:19:13,736 --> 00:19:15,579 He had a really good bedside manner. 387 00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:17,573 You know, a smile like Buddha. 388 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:20,121 Most of these eye doctors are like automatons. 389 00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,210 Also, I liked his language. 390 00:19:22,328 --> 00:19:24,547 Instead of “macular scraping”... 391 00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:29,381 he referred to what had to be done to my eye as “macular peeling." Right? 392 00:19:29,502 --> 00:19:31,345 Also, he says, “Mr. Gray... 393 00:19:31,462 --> 00:19:34,466 please stop worrying about causes... 394 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:37,264 because this condition is idiopathic... 395 00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:40,059 meaning 'no known cause.“ 396 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,523 Idiopathic. 397 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,190 He wants me to know all about the operation. It's a relatively new operation. 398 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:48,187 It costs $10,000. 399 00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:51,407 It's not guaranteed to correct my vision, but it could help. 400 00:19:51,524 --> 00:19:53,902 What he has to do is take a very sharp knife... 401 00:19:54,068 --> 00:19:57,038 and cut my left eye in two places, two incisions. 402 00:19:57,154 --> 00:20:00,454 Into the first he sticks a little miniature vacuum cleaner... 403 00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:03,748 a little pump, to suck out what's left of the vitreal gel. 404 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,039 Then, in he sticks a teeny little peeler. 405 00:20:06,163 --> 00:20:08,257 Microscopic. It's microsurgery. 406 00:20:08,374 --> 00:20:10,718 And he peels the retina. 407 00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:13,964 Now, he wants me to know what risks are involved in the operation... 408 00:20:14,088 --> 00:20:17,683 so I can make an educated choice and he won't be responsible. 409 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,679 The first risk is slight chance of infection... 410 00:20:20,803 --> 00:20:23,056 which would mean prosthesis. 411 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:26,559 Also, he could slip and tear the retina while peeling... 412 00:20:26,684 --> 00:20:29,779 which would mean instant blindness in the left eye. 413 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:32,318 Also, there's a 35 percent chance of cataract... 414 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,659 due to the trauma from the operation... 415 00:20:34,775 --> 00:20:38,279 and there's a one percent chance that the whole condition... 416 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:40,327 will simply clear up on its own... 417 00:20:41,449 --> 00:20:44,123 which I'm banking on. 418 00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:46,458 “But, Mr. Gray,” he says, “no rush. 419 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:49,339 We don't have to operate right away. I have to check on it every so often. 420 00:20:49,457 --> 00:20:51,425 See how it's progressing. We can take our time." 421 00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:54,136 “You can? Well, that's great. You mean - 422 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,096 'Cause I'm not gonna sit around and wait. 423 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:57,965 I could try alternatives, right, while I'm waiting? 424 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,434 Like diet, acupuncture, prayer, all three? 425 00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:02,269 I could do that, couldn't I?” 426 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:05,856 “Oh, yes,” he says, with his great Buddha smile. 427 00:21:05,973 --> 00:21:09,568 “Try all the alternatives you want. 428 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:12,404 Then we'll have to operate.” 429 00:21:12,521 --> 00:21:15,149 So I got back home and told Renée what the doctor said... 430 00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:17,159 and she said, “Spald... 431 00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:19,787 do you know what 'prosthesis' means?” 432 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:21,952 And I said, “Um, I think so. 433 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:25,372 I mean, I thought I knew when I walked in here, but now I'm a little fuzzy. 434 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:28,872 Wait a minute. It hasn't got anything to do with the prostate gland, does it? 435 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:32,341 No, wait. Doesn't it mean 'false arm' or 'false leg?”' 436 00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:36,759 And Renée says, "Try 'eye.' Try 'glass eye."' 437 00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:39,257 Oh, God. I didn't want to go into a hospital if I could help it. 438 00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:42,305 I didn't want to go in. A friend of mine around the time this was going on... 439 00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:45,475 went in for a simple gall bladder operation, into a New York hospital. 440 00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:48,099 The nurse gave him a shot in the wrong quadrant of his buttock... 441 00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,443 and hit his sciatic nerve and paralyzed his right leg. 442 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,436 Now he's suing the hospital for a million dollars. 443 00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:54,234 I didn't want to go in! 444 00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:56,904 I had a girlfriend that was dating her ob-gyn... 445 00:21:57,024 --> 00:22:00,119 and she'd go on these dates to the hospital, because he had a cubicle with a bed. 446 00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:02,409 He was always waiting to be called to deliver babies. 447 00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:05,204 And also, she'd go there because he had access... 448 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:07,497 to liquid cocaine... 449 00:22:07,618 --> 00:22:11,122 and they would wipe this liquid cocaine on their genitals and then light a doobie... 450 00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:13,215 and go to town. 451 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:16,344 And in the middle of this date, the doctor's beeper would go off... 452 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:19,213 and he'd jump up stoned with an erection and go off and deliver a baby. 453 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,386 I didn't want to go in! I didn't want to! 454 00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,644 I didn't want to go into a hospital if I could help it, please! 455 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,933 Also, what did I know about hospitals or doctors? 456 00:22:27,054 --> 00:22:29,205 I grew up as a Christian Scientist. I had no experience with hospitals or doctors. 457 00:22:29,231 --> 00:22:31,084 [ Birds Chirping ] 458 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,403 Growing up as a Christian Scientist in Barrington, Rhode Island, was lonely. 459 00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,439 There were about six of us: 460 00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,692 my three brothers, a couple of brothers down the street. 461 00:22:38,816 --> 00:22:41,820 There was no church in Barrington. We had to go to church in Providence. 462 00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:44,163 Basically, my friends treated me like anyone else... 463 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,248 except in the summertime they'd get bored... 464 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:48,288 and kind of back me up against an elm tree... 465 00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:51,583 and start their own little Protestant Inquisition by saying... 466 00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:54,669 “You're a Christian Scientist, right?” “That's right.” 467 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:58,090 “That means you don't believe in doctors?” "Uh, that's right.” 468 00:22:58,252 --> 00:23:00,971 - “Uh, say lightning hit this tree now... - [ Thunder] 469 00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:03,932 And a branch cracked, came down, hit your head, and your brains were drooling all over the grass. 470 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,719 Would you go to a doctor then?” “NO-II 471 00:23:06,844 --> 00:23:09,472 “Uh, say you're walking across the street, and a cement mixer... 472 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:12,942 - squished and pulverized the whole lower part of your body into the pavement. - [ Splatter/fly Sounds ] 473 00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:16,278 Would you go to a doctor then?” “NO-II 474 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,023 “Uh... 475 00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:21,776 say the North Koreans invaded Barrington, Rhode Island... 476 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,620 - and they took a cage of starving rats and put them up to your ass... - [ Rats Squeaking ] 477 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,739 and the rats started eating up through into your body. 478 00:23:26,864 --> 00:23:29,663 Would you go to a doctor then?” “No!!! 479 00:23:29,783 --> 00:23:32,502 So I began to feel my friends had a death wish for me. 480 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:35,499 I mean, it kind of put me on the outside of the community. 481 00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:37,876 I did have some healings, though. I remember - 482 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,094 I'm trying to think of one I can tell you - share with you. 483 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:42,804 Oh, I know. When I was in seventh grade... 484 00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:45,887 one morning I woke up with this little, like, piece of flesh... 485 00:23:46,008 --> 00:23:49,262 growing off the end of my nose, like a little flesh stalactite... 486 00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:53,266 and it kept growing, and my friends kept looking at me and saying... 487 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:55,313 “Ya got some snot on your nose.” 488 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:59,189 And I'd say, “lt's not snot. 489 00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:01,361 It's not.” 490 00:24:01,482 --> 00:24:03,484 So I wanted to have it burned off, cauterized. 491 00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:06,325 I wanted to go to a doctor. Have a quickie. Bypass prayer. 492 00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:08,698 So I went to my mother and asked her if she would take me, and she said... 493 00:24:08,822 --> 00:24:10,574 “Spuddy, dear, no. Please. 494 00:24:10,699 --> 00:24:14,203 Let's let the Christian Science practitioner pray for it first.” 495 00:24:14,328 --> 00:24:17,798 So I had to do it. What can I say? She had the car. 496 00:24:17,915 --> 00:24:20,634 So we all began praying. I was praying for the little thing to drop off. 497 00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:22,628 She was praying it would drop off. 498 00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:25,222 The Christian Science practitioner was praying for it to drop off. 499 00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:27,012 But it didn't drop off. 500 00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:29,723 At the end of the week, I said, "Can I go to the doctor now, Mom?" 501 00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:33,438 And she said, “Give it one more day. Please, dear, one more day." 502 00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:36,058 Well, I had to give it one more day, because on that particular day - 503 00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,481 it was a Monday - I was being tutored in seventh-grade math. 504 00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:40,479 I was failing seventh-grade math. 505 00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:42,481 I remember my tutor was this nice older woman... 506 00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:44,483 and she kept looking at my nose. 507 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:48,329 And she finally said, [Granny Voice ] “Looks like you could use a hankie.” 508 00:24:48,445 --> 00:24:50,743 So I tried to humor her. I took her lace handkerchief... 509 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:52,787 wiped my nose, and... 510 00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:55,915 off it came! 511 00:24:56,036 --> 00:24:57,913 [Chuckles ] So... 512 00:24:58,038 --> 00:25:02,088 keeping this healing in mind, I decided for my first alternative... 513 00:25:02,209 --> 00:25:04,337 I would try calling a Christian Science practitioner. 514 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:07,761 I'd never called one before. My mom always had. 515 00:25:07,881 --> 00:25:10,430 So I remember I was touring in London. 516 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:14,146 I was in London, and I got the name of a practitioner in San Francisco. 517 00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:16,607 Now, I thought, “The power of prayer can go around the world, they say. 518 00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,726 Maybe it'll go halfway.” So I call up. 519 00:25:18,892 --> 00:25:22,237 Now, when you call a Christian Science practitioner, you're not supposed to mention... 520 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:24,527 any disease names. 521 00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,742 It gives it power. Don't name the condition. 522 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,403 Just refer to it as an “error.” 523 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,496 So needless to say, there's a lot of innuendo... 524 00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:33,661 that goes around that word “error.” 525 00:25:33,782 --> 00:25:36,911 Is it a b-/-i-/-g error, as in cancer? 526 00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:39,375 A little error? Cold. Medium error? Flu. 527 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,794 But I jumped right in and started describing the condition. 528 00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:44,759 “Hello? This is Spalding Gray calling from London... 529 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:46,920 and I have an eye condition. 530 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,344 My left eye is totally blurry. They're calling it -” 531 00:25:49,465 --> 00:25:52,139 “I think we've heard just about enough, Mr. Gray. 532 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:55,604 Now, first of all, I would like you to go to a Christian Science reading room... 533 00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:59,225 and look up Mary Baker Eddy's book Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. 534 00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:03,525 Look up “The Perfection of Eyes,” page 624 and 625. 535 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,898 I will also send you some information. 536 00:26:06,023 --> 00:26:08,025 Now, I want to ask you: 537 00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:10,699 Are you faithful?” 538 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:14,699 “Oh-uh-you mean, am I filled with faith?” 539 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:18,453 “No. Are you seeing anyone else? 540 00:26:18,619 --> 00:26:20,963 Any doctors?” 541 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,128 “Oh, I see what you mean. 542 00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:26,920 Well, uh, there's this Chinese guy, but it's nothing serious. 543 00:26:27,044 --> 00:26:29,513 I mean, once a month I check in with him -” 544 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:33,430 “I'm afraid we can't work that way. We can't be duplicitous in our faith. 545 00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:36,303 You have to choose me or the doctor. So you think it over. 546 00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:38,643 You can get back to me anytime. I'll be here. 547 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:40,766 God bless.” 548 00:26:40,891 --> 00:26:42,768 And he hangs up... 549 00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:45,316 and I realized at that moment... 550 00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:48,281 why it was I had left Christian Science. 551 00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:52,278 So I went to my therapist to talk to him about my eye condition. 552 00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:55,656 My therapist was a graduate of Auschwitz... 553 00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:58,955 so he was an existential realist. 554 00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:02,797 And I told him the story, and he listened and then said... 555 00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:07,134 [ Deep, Accented Voice ] "Spalding - Spalding, please, please. 556 00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:11,046 All things are contingent... 557 00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:14,721 and there is also chaos. 558 00:27:14,842 --> 00:27:16,640 In other words... 559 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,603 shit happens. 560 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,975 Please, give up this magical-thinking business, huh? 561 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:26,024 Airy-fairy, Disneyland, Tinker Bell... 562 00:27:26,186 --> 00:27:29,235 Angels in America nonsense, please. 563 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:31,779 Do the right thing. 564 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,198 Get the operation.” 565 00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:37,539 So he was no help. 566 00:27:38,699 --> 00:27:42,124 So I walk out of my therapist's office doing my New York walking blues. 567 00:27:42,244 --> 00:27:44,246 I've got a ratty old overcoat... 568 00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:46,749 and I haven't shaved in four days, and I'm hunched over. 569 00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:49,468 I don't care where I'm walking. I'm just walking... 570 00:27:49,585 --> 00:27:51,553 and I'm thinking, “How? 571 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:55,095 How could I allow someone to cut into my eye with a knife? 572 00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:57,559 Cut into the window to my soul?” 573 00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:59,553 And why - why this affliction? 574 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,932 Of all the things - losing the detail in my vision. 575 00:28:03,056 --> 00:28:06,936 I mean, I totally depend on seeing the detail in order to tell stories. 576 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:10,781 I'm not making any of this up. I mean, don't you think I'd rather sit at home... 577 00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:12,775 and be able to make things up? 578 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,902 It'd be so much less wear and tear on my body. 579 00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:16,945 But I'm thinking, “I need my right eye. 580 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,414 What would happen if I went blind in my right eye? 581 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:22,751 I mean, what would I become? A blind poet in New York City? 582 00:28:22,910 --> 00:28:25,663 I hate poetry,” I'm thinking as I'm walking. 583 00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:28,131 And I find I'm walking now in the Bowery... 584 00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,296 which is fine, because I feel like... 585 00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:33,921 I belong there at this point, and a bunch of prostitutes are on the street. 586 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,219 You know, the kind that just trick out of cars? 587 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:38,968 And they're paying no attention to me. I'm walking on by. 588 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,971 In fact, they're rushing over to an old black Pontiac... 589 00:28:42,095 --> 00:28:45,941 I see pulling up to the curb there out of the corner of my good eye. 590 00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:48,060 They're rushing over like-like - 591 00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,233 like a bunch of prostitutes, really. 592 00:28:50,354 --> 00:28:53,153 And they get over to the car, and one of them turns and yells... 593 00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:55,776 “Hey, yo, boy! Over here! 594 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:58,074 They want you!” 595 00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,907 And I turned... 596 00:29:02,032 --> 00:29:03,784 because I'm curious... 597 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:07,295 and I love to be wanted. 598 00:29:07,454 --> 00:29:10,503 And I walk over, and the prostitutes part like the Red Sea... 599 00:29:10,624 --> 00:29:12,752 and I walk up to this old black Pontiac... 600 00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:14,878 and it's got three Hasidic Jews in it - 601 00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:16,880 two in the front, one in the back. 602 00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:19,224 And they say, “Get in.” 603 00:29:20,842 --> 00:29:22,344 And I do... 604 00:29:22,469 --> 00:29:24,471 because I'm curious... 605 00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:26,982 and I love to be wanted. 606 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:31,190 So I get in the back with the youngest, and they drive off down the Bowery. 607 00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:35,361 The prostitutes are yelling, “Bye! Have a good trick!” 608 00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:37,701 So I don't know - Where are they taking me, I ask. 609 00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:40,492 They tell me they're taking me over to Williamsburg. 610 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:43,658 I think, “Well, why not? I've never been to Williamsburg. 611 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:45,830 Why not take a tour? Williamsburg. 612 00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:48,045 Go with the chosen people.” 613 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,414 So by now, anyway, I'm telling them my name is Peter. 614 00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:52,507 I say I'm a drifter from Schenectady. 615 00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:55,545 I'm kind of just making myself up. Tired of the old Spalding Gray, you know? 616 00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:58,513 “Peter with perfect eyes” kind of concept. 617 00:29:58,672 --> 00:30:00,766 And they're saying, do I want anything to eat? 618 00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:04,182 They want to buy pizza and beer for me. I say, “No, no, thank you. 619 00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:07,143 I've just eaten, and I don't drink before 5:00.” 620 00:30:07,264 --> 00:30:09,938 So over the bridge we go. Pull up in front of a synagogue. 621 00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:12,481 I go with the flow. I follow the three of them in. 622 00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:14,479 We go into this old synagogue. 623 00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:16,481 Other Hasidic Jews are in there... 624 00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:18,859 mending the bindings of old books and looking up... 625 00:30:19,026 --> 00:30:20,903 and winking at me like little Santa Clauses. 626 00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:23,702 I follow the driver of the car into the kitchen. 627 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,041 He gets out a couple of plastic garbage bags... 628 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:28,122 a rake, a shovel, a broom... 629 00:30:28,243 --> 00:30:31,042 opens the back door, referring me out to the backyard... 630 00:30:31,204 --> 00:30:33,047 says, “Please. 631 00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:35,800 Go. Clean.” 632 00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:38,386 So, hey, I knew I could just say I was Spalding Gray... 633 00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:40,718 and drop everything and walk away, but I didn't. 634 00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:42,804 I continued to be Peter. 635 00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:45,097 And I walked down into that backyard... 636 00:30:45,218 --> 00:30:47,937 and I took the rake, and I began to rake. 637 00:30:48,055 --> 00:30:51,935 I'm raking up all these broken plastic knives and forks and paper plates... 638 00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:54,653 and things left over from parties and wet leaves. 639 00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:57,774 I'm doing a good job. In fact, I feel this energy. Mm! 640 00:30:57,898 --> 00:31:01,744 This raking energy I haven't felt since I was a kid in my father's yard. 641 00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:05,406 I'm doing such a good job, I could feel these muscles in here getting strong again. 642 00:31:05,572 --> 00:31:08,451 I'm doing such a good job, a woman that lives behind the synagogue... 643 00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,919 throws up her window and says, “Yo, boy! Hey! 644 00:31:11,078 --> 00:31:13,501 You work good. You come here next? How much you charge?" 645 00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:16,171 I said, “No, no, no. I'm all booked up. Sorry." 646 00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:19,545 About an hour's time I got all the leaves in the bag, tied up. 647 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:21,592 The driver of the car walks out on the porch... 648 00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:24,349 looks over, peruses the backyard, says... 649 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:28,016 “Very good. You work very good. 650 00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:30,559 You are the hardest-working Bowery bum... 651 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,978 we've ever picked up. 652 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,944 Usually they come here, they work for drinks. 653 00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:37,938 You don't seem to drink... 654 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:40,236 so I suppose we must pay you something.” 655 00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:43,657 “Yes. I suppose so.” 656 00:31:43,777 --> 00:31:46,075 “Mm, eight dollars.” 657 00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:49,291 “No, no. Ten. Even up in Schenectady, it's ten dollars an hour. 658 00:31:49,449 --> 00:31:51,292 I've been out here an hour.” 659 00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:55,456 “Mm, eight plus carfare.” 660 00:31:55,622 --> 00:31:58,842 “Uh, no. Ten, and I'll walk.” 661 00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:00,961 Here it is - a Scot and a Jew haggling it out... 662 00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,339 in the backyard of a synagogue. 663 00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:05,761 I get the ten dollars, and I walk. 664 00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,806 Triumphantly across the Brooklyn Bridge I'm walking, thinking... 665 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:10,804 “Hey, look at that. 666 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:14,433 There is something I can do if I go blind in my right eye.” 667 00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,649 So shortly after this, there was a reunion call... 668 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,239 for the storytelling workshop that I did in upstate... 669 00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:23,358 and it was to be held in New York City. 670 00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:25,656 I wasn't sure if I was going to go... 671 00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:27,745 and then I thought, I'd better go... 672 00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:30,867 because maybe Azaria Thornbird would show up... 673 00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:33,335 and I really wanted to see Azaria again. 674 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:35,546 L- I want to try to describe her. 675 00:32:35,662 --> 00:32:38,541 It's hard to get words around this woman. 676 00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:42,169 All right. She lives outside Minneapolis. She's a single mother. 677 00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:44,508 Has two sons she raised. I think she did a very good job. 678 00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,345 I've met them. They're nine and 11 years old. 679 00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:50,015 And the only kind of odd thing for Azaria is that... 680 00:32:50,177 --> 00:32:52,646 she happened to be a sorcerer's apprentice. 681 00:32:52,762 --> 00:32:56,517 She trained with this sorcerer, Everet K. Whiteowl... 682 00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:59,269 who's part Welsh and part Native American Indian... 683 00:32:59,394 --> 00:33:02,898 and he trains out in the desert outside Los Angeles... 684 00:33:03,023 --> 00:33:05,526 in what I refer to as “Manson country.” 685 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,153 And she was going out to do these very esoteric trainings... 686 00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:11,623 in astral projection, lucid dream state... 687 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:15,870 the Breath of Fire, which she's teaching to women in the Minneapolis area now... 688 00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:20,841 and then - oh, the American Indian tantric sexual initiations. 689 00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:23,255 The Quidoshka trainings, right? 690 00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:26,755 Which she was about to be initiated to and he was doing with women out there... 691 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,804 but she couldn't get out to do it because she was running out of airfare. 692 00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:31,973 She couldn't afford to fly out anymore. 693 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:35,017 So what she told me she did - Now, I believed this when she told it to me. 694 00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:37,391 I was very convinced. She said she would go to sleep at night... 695 00:33:37,557 --> 00:33:39,400 in her bed in Minneapolis... 696 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,859 and out of her corporeal body would rise this astral body. 697 00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,073 She'd go into a lucid dream state and astral-project... 698 00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:48,111 and up would come this astral body, and it would go and mingle and mix... 699 00:33:48,235 --> 00:33:50,579 around various Indian grandmothers in the living room... 700 00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:54,495 and then go upstairs and meet Everet K. Whiteowl's astral body... 701 00:33:54,616 --> 00:33:57,415 and they would have their Quidoshka workshop... 702 00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:59,630 and - zoop! - save money on airfare. 703 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:01,623 And - thoop! - soon as they finished... 704 00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:04,001 Everet K.'s astral body would go “whoop!" back to the desert... 705 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:05,843 faster than American Airlines... 706 00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:08,259 and Azaria's would go “whoop!” back into her corporeal body... 707 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:10,257 and she'd wake up in one body. 708 00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:12,642 So I say, “Azaria... 709 00:34:12,759 --> 00:34:15,478 you mean to say you have two bodies - 710 00:34:15,595 --> 00:34:17,518 one that can stand up and look back at the other - 711 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,607 and you've never tried to make love to yourself?" 712 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:21,439 I mean, that's the first thing that would occur to me... 713 00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:23,603 before I'd go mixing with Indian grandmothers. 714 00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:27,449 Please myself. She says it never occurred to her. Never. 715 00:34:27,566 --> 00:34:30,570 And then she says she tried it and it worked. 716 00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:32,537 So she was very open. 717 00:34:32,654 --> 00:34:34,452 Now, what she did show me, actually... 718 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:36,792 that I did see happen was this Breath of Fire. 719 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,377 Now, this is an extraordinary thing. I mean, where I come from... 720 00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:42,373 women 200 years ago would've been burned at the stake for doing this. 721 00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:45,216 She lay on the floor, and without touching herself once... 722 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:49,213 she had about eight classic Reichian orgasms. 723 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:52,090 She came from her toes to her nose. It was like... 724 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,094 [Orgasmic Moaning ] 725 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,973 I'm just sitting there going, “Teach me, teach me, teach me! 726 00:34:59,139 --> 00:35:02,814 Do you know how many lonely hotels and motels I stay in across America? 727 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:04,811 If I could come like that without touching myself... 728 00:35:04,978 --> 00:35:08,482 I'd be a happy man - or at least content.” 729 00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:11,322 So she tells me I have to lie on the floor, right? 730 00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,737 And I have to suck the energy in the room - 731 00:35:13,862 --> 00:35:17,412 “energy,” whatever that is - into the base of my spine. 732 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:20,251 Through what hole, I don't know. 733 00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:22,245 So I'm doing a lot of visualization. 734 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,418 I see energy as these pink balls of cotton candy... 735 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:26,416 kind of floating around aimlessly... 736 00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:29,420 and as far as the hole in my spine, I see my coccyx... 737 00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:31,421 as hollow, with a little cork in it. 738 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,799 [ Makes Popping Sound ] I take out the cork, and I begin to suck. 739 00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:35,846 [Slurping ] 740 00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:40,100 I mean, really, the closest I could get... 741 00:35:40,221 --> 00:35:42,895 was a sense of reverse farting. 742 00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:47,021 [ Exhales ] All I'm trying to say is she's an interesting woman. 743 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:50,490 And she did show up at the workshop. I couldn't look her in the face, though. 744 00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:52,530 And I couldn't stop talking about my eye operation... 745 00:35:52,692 --> 00:35:54,615 how I was gonna get it or not get it... 746 00:35:54,736 --> 00:35:56,704 and I kept deflecting, and she said, “Spalding... 747 00:35:56,863 --> 00:35:58,957 do not go to a hospital for an operation. 748 00:35:59,074 --> 00:36:00,872 Listen to me. Come out to Minneapolis... 749 00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:03,082 and we'll have a Native American sweat lodge for you. 750 00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:05,501 And the power of our prayer - it's larger than one-on-one. 751 00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:08,501 It's a group. You must come.” “All right. I'll try to.” 752 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:10,593 “No. Look me in the face and tell me you'll come.” 753 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,384 “Well, I'll give it a try.” "No. Look me in the eyes now." 754 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,473 I look her in the face, and her entire face... 755 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:18,059 begins to drool and peel down off of her skull... 756 00:36:18,218 --> 00:36:21,142 and I say, “Stop it! Whatever you're doing with your face, don't do it! 757 00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:24,607 It makes me nauseous. Please stop it. I'll come, all right? 758 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:26,601 I will come out to Minneapolis. 759 00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:28,694 I'll do it. I'll come.” 760 00:36:28,812 --> 00:36:32,316 I think I would try an Indian sweat ceremony. 761 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,990 I don't think it could be much stranger than my trip to the hypnotherapist. 762 00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:40,332 And maybe it'd be more successful. Who knows? 763 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,325 I don't think so. 764 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:45,374 An Indian sweat ceremony? Never heard of it. 765 00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:47,463 That's a pretty mystic idea. 766 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:50,834 An Indian sweat ceremony? 767 00:36:50,959 --> 00:36:53,007 It sounds interesting, but I don't think so. 768 00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:55,631 I wouldn't like to participate in an Indian sweat lodge... 769 00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:57,803 because it's a dark place full of smoke... 770 00:36:57,924 --> 00:36:59,892 and it's too damn hot for me. 771 00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:02,979 Uh, an Indian sweat ceremony could be interesting... 772 00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,565 especially if you're gonna be around... 773 00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:08,652 female Indians sweating. 774 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:12,648 [ Spalding ] Minneapolis in winter. Perfect time to sweat. 775 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:15,116 I'm glad I went out. It was really interesting. 776 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:19,283 She had about 15 followers, all practicing these Native American rituals. 777 00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:23,204 She started out by doing the peace-pipe ritual in a barn. 778 00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:25,247 It was very cold. Very cold. 779 00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:27,541 She's calling the spirits from the four directions. 780 00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:30,711 Then she takes us outside. The sweat lodge is all built. 781 00:37:30,832 --> 00:37:33,255 If you've never seen one - traditional Indian sweat lodge - 782 00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:36,004 it's a low dome made by saplings... 783 00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:38,131 that are all interwoven... 784 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:41,806 and over it, the Indians would put animal skins, buffalo skins. 785 00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:44,975 In this case, they had blue plastic and canvas tarpaulin. 786 00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:48,521 And, oh, the fire. The fire keeper had the fire going since 6:00 in the morning... 787 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:51,190 so the rocks were very hot to make the steam. 788 00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:53,530 We go out, we're standing there knee-deep in snow... 789 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,944 and Azaria says, "All right, take off your clothes... 790 00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:57,942 and throw them in the snow,” and we do it. 791 00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:00,820 We do whatever she says. Now we're standing naked... 792 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:04,161 knee-deep, naked in the snow, like these freezing refugees... 793 00:38:04,324 --> 00:38:06,827 and we have to line up to go in the sweat lodge. 794 00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:08,745 Well, I'm in fourth place... 795 00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,089 as quick as I can get over there in the line, and I'm looking around... 796 00:38:11,206 --> 00:38:13,334 and I notice, all these people around me - 797 00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:15,426 there are no Native Americans there. 798 00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,217 Basically, they look Swedish. 799 00:38:18,338 --> 00:38:21,262 So we're told that before we're to go into the sweat lodge... 800 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:25,353 we have to cry out to the sky the phrase "All my ancestors.” 801 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:28,019 So we're ready. First person - “All my ancestors." 802 00:38:28,181 --> 00:38:30,559 “All my ancestors.” "All my ancestors." They're in. 803 00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:33,527 Comes my turn. I go, "All my ancestors”... 804 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,489 and I start in the sweat lodge, and I stop and I think, “Wait a minute. 805 00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:39,325 'All my ancestors'? Now, who were they?" 806 00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:41,319 Because my father had just finished the family tree... 807 00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:44,539 and I remembered going over it, and I remembered some of the names: 808 00:38:44,697 --> 00:38:46,119 John Proctor... 809 00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:50,462 the Right Reverend Curtis Fox Gray and his wife, Thankful Atherton Gray... 810 00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:54,378 Colonel Simeon Spalding, Captain Edward Spalding... 811 00:38:54,541 --> 00:38:57,260 Brigadier General John Crane... 812 00:38:57,377 --> 00:39:00,722 the only man wounded at the Boston Tea Party. 813 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,386 And I think, all my ancestors? Who were they? Pilgrims. 814 00:39:05,552 --> 00:39:08,396 What did they do shortly after they came to America? 815 00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:10,390 Kill the Indians. 816 00:39:10,557 --> 00:39:14,357 Where was I going? An Indian sweat lodge. 817 00:39:14,477 --> 00:39:16,696 Good luck. 818 00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:19,487 Ooh, and I go into the tent. It's not warm in there. 819 00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:21,701 It's not even hot in any way. 820 00:39:21,818 --> 00:39:23,991 It's musty, cold, dank, dark. 821 00:39:24,112 --> 00:39:27,366 There's about 15 of us, men and women, naked, sitting in a circle on top of hay... 822 00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:29,242 which is on top of the snow. 823 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:31,332 And Azaria starts telling us what's going to happen. 824 00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:34,376 She says there'll be four rounds of prayers. 825 00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:37,250 The first round will be to set intention. 826 00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:39,966 Prayer for intention or attitude - what we want to maintain... 827 00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,589 throughout the whole ceremony, which could be anywhere from... 828 00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,933 two and a half, three hours, you know - you just never know. 829 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,893 And then the second round of prayers will be... 830 00:39:48,011 --> 00:39:50,309 the prayers for friends and loved ones. 831 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:52,524 Then the third round - which is very important - 832 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,234 the third round is that we give away or renounce... 833 00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:58,355 anything we're attached that we no longer want to be attached to - 834 00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:01,278 you know, like, say, an eye condition. 835 00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:04,285 Now - “But this is very important,” she says. 836 00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:07,618 “On the third round, do not in any way, please, 837 00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,623 take on the other person's giveaway. 838 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:12,786 Don't identify with whatever the pathology is that's being passed around. 839 00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:16,627 Just let it go right out through the tent, please, or you could be very sick.” 840 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:19,046 And the fourth round is not exactly a round of prayers... 841 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:21,215 but what happens is, hot rocks are brought in... 842 00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:24,931 and then she pours cold water over them, and we just sit and listen to them steam. 843 00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:28,222 And if we listen very carefully, you see, these rocks may give... 844 00:40:28,343 --> 00:40:30,846 valuable information, all right? 845 00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:34,474 Now, before we begin, what we have to say is, the procedure is this: 846 00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:37,520 We have to say, "O Great Spirit, my name is -" 847 00:40:37,644 --> 00:40:39,942 Then you state your name, you do your prayer, and then you say... 848 00:40:40,063 --> 00:40:42,612 “I have spoken" to indicate that the next person can go... 849 00:40:42,732 --> 00:40:45,076 and I do hope it goes smoothly 'cause there are quite a few of us. 850 00:40:45,193 --> 00:40:47,446 And in the fire keeper brings the first hot rocks... 851 00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:50,244 and pours them in the pit, and Azaria pours the cold water... 852 00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,834 and - [ imitates Steam Hissing ] Whoa! Whoo! 853 00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:55,745 Steam starts coming up, and it's hot, let me tell you. 854 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:59,465 Across my chest I can feel it. I think, “It could get very warm in here.” 855 00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:02,381 And the first rounds of prayers start out slowly... 856 00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:04,300 rounds of first intention. 857 00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:08,300 “O Great Spirit, my name is Shelly... 858 00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:11,678 and I pray that I can maintain a sincere and open attitude... 859 00:41:11,844 --> 00:41:14,723 during this sacred ceremony. I have spoken.” 860 00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:17,521 “O Great Spirit, my name is Seth... 861 00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:19,940 and I pray that I can maintain... 862 00:41:20,061 --> 00:41:22,439 a humble attitude during this sacred ceremony. 863 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,156 I have spoken.” 864 00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:27,072 “O Great Spirit, this is Spalding speaking... 865 00:41:27,193 --> 00:41:30,572 and I pray I can maintain a sincere and open attitude... 866 00:41:30,697 --> 00:41:33,075 during this sacred ceremony and not pollute it... 867 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,328 with my heady analysis and ironic commentary... 868 00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:40,047 and end up turning this sacred event into just another story... 869 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,917 I will try to sell to the American public. 870 00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:44,840 I have spoken.” 871 00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:49,011 And everyone in the tent goes, “Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho”... 872 00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:52,136 which I take to be a kind of cheerleading attitude to say... 873 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:55,059 “Hey, let's see if you can pull that one off.” 874 00:41:56,264 --> 00:41:58,733 More hot rocks are brought in. We're going into round two. 875 00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,569 We're praying for friends and loved ones. Oh, man, it's steaming up! 876 00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:03,688 I can't even see across the other side of the tent. 877 00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:06,908 People are groaning, down on their sides. I'm getting down on my side... 878 00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:10,245 trying to breathe some fresh air in under where the tent hits the ground. 879 00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:13,331 And we're praying for friends and loved ones. I pray for Renée. 880 00:42:13,448 --> 00:42:15,997 I pray that at last she'll get a Hollywood film script to write... 881 00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:18,119 that she really likes, that will be funny... 882 00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,292 that will pay her well and get made. 883 00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:22,916 And I pray for friends with AIDS. 884 00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:25,210 “Ploo!" Oh, boy! More hot rocks are brought in. 885 00:42:25,334 --> 00:42:28,429 We're going into round three. We're gonna do the giveaway... 886 00:42:28,588 --> 00:42:30,636 and I'm down on my side now, panting. 887 00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:33,180 All I can think of is my health club in New York City. 888 00:42:33,301 --> 00:42:35,679 I see in my mind's eye the sign for the steam room: 889 00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,898 “Do not exceed ten minutes under any circumstances.” 890 00:42:39,015 --> 00:42:41,894 And I think, “Whoo! Who is this Azaria Thornbird? 891 00:42:42,018 --> 00:42:43,895 So her head turned into a ball of white light. 892 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,897 Does that mean she's not trying to kill me?” 893 00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,740 And people are down on the ground, praying. 894 00:42:47,857 --> 00:42:51,487 “O Great Spirit, my name is Shelly. I want to give away my pride. I have spoken.” 895 00:42:51,611 --> 00:42:53,739 “O Great Spirit, my name is Seth... 896 00:42:53,863 --> 00:42:56,412 and I want to give away my macho attitude. I have spoken." 897 00:42:56,532 --> 00:43:00,253 “O Great Spirit, this is Tyrus. I want to give away my craving for caffeine. I have spoken." 898 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:02,121 “O Great Spirit, my name is Ingrid. 899 00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:04,749 I want to give away my gluttony. I have spoken.” 900 00:43:04,874 --> 00:43:07,468 “O Great Spirit, this is Spalding speaking... 901 00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:11,257 and I want to give away the fear that I'm about to have a heart attack at any minute!” 902 00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:14,179 And just as I say that, a guy next to me about my age with a beard... 903 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,553 grabs his chest and goes, "My heart is popping! 904 00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:18,475 My heart is popping! My heart is popping!” 905 00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:21,475 And he runs out of the sweat tent. And I'm fine. 906 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,229 He just took all my fear and ran right out the door with it. 907 00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:29,733 Azaria says, “Someone has broken the sacred circle here. Do you hear me? 908 00:43:29,857 --> 00:43:33,111 No one is to leave this sweat lodge in the middle of the ceremony. 909 00:43:33,236 --> 00:43:35,659 Now we are about to sit here and listen to the hot rocks steam... 910 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,407 and possibly talk. 911 00:43:37,532 --> 00:43:40,706 If you feel you have to go, go now, but as soon as that tent flap is closed... 912 00:43:40,827 --> 00:43:42,670 no one leaves.” 913 00:43:42,787 --> 00:43:46,542 Now, I am both very claustrophobic and find it difficult to take orders... 914 00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,920 but I am determined to get through this sweat ceremony. 915 00:43:50,044 --> 00:43:54,265 I just hope that the hot rocks don't talk too long. 916 00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:57,226 The fire keeper brings the hot rocks in, puts them in the pit. 917 00:43:57,343 --> 00:43:59,391 Azaria pours the cold water over. 918 00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:02,311 Just as she does this, one of her members of her lodge jumps up... 919 00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:05,230 a guy with a ponytail down to his ass, rushes for the door. 920 00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:08,150 Azaria hurls her naked body in front of him and yells... 921 00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:10,865 “Get back, Lame Deer! Get back!” 922 00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:14,407 He falls back on the hay, going, “Shit! Fuck! Fuck! Shit!” 923 00:44:14,527 --> 00:44:17,531 Everyone else is going, “Ho, ho, ho... 924 00:44:17,697 --> 00:44:20,246 ho, ho, ho.” 925 00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:22,243 They're “ho-ing” him. They're “ho-ing” him down. 926 00:44:22,368 --> 00:44:24,917 “Ho, ho.” 927 00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:29,376 And at last, we sit there in silence... 928 00:44:29,542 --> 00:44:32,386 and listen to the hot rocks steam. 929 00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:41,888 And I didn't understand a word. 930 00:44:43,598 --> 00:44:46,898 And I stepped out of that sweat lodge, and I felt triumphant. 931 00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:48,902 I'd made it through. I don't know how long I'd been in there. 932 00:44:49,061 --> 00:44:52,110 Two and a half, three hours? The sun was going down... 933 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:55,861 like a - like a big... sun, like a big red sun... 934 00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:58,534 casting rivers of red across a crusty white snow. 935 00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:00,873 I could've rolled in that snow in my new naked body. 936 00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:04,335 I'm standing there, I'm feeling this internal heat pouring out... 937 00:45:04,452 --> 00:45:07,581 and Azaria comes over and says, "Spalding, what is wrong with you?" 938 00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:10,174 “Nothing. What are you talking about? I feel great." 939 00:45:10,291 --> 00:45:14,467 “No. When the time came for you to talk about your eye condition... 940 00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:17,511 you began babbling about a heart attack!” 941 00:45:17,632 --> 00:45:20,101 “Oh. Oh - Oh. 942 00:45:20,259 --> 00:45:21,852 Oh, God.” 943 00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:25,098 And I realized I was still the child... 944 00:45:25,223 --> 00:45:28,443 who had to act on his most immediate fears. 945 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,445 So I get back to New York City. 946 00:45:35,566 --> 00:45:38,035 I'm pretty depressed. 947 00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:40,029 More than usual. 948 00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:43,704 I'm sitting at the kitchen table, talking to Renée... 949 00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:45,952 about the sweat lodge... 950 00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:48,746 and listening to my health-food show... 951 00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:52,466 Barry Spires, every day at noon. 952 00:45:52,625 --> 00:45:54,127 In case you don't know... 953 00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:56,762 Barry Spires is one of the most radical nutritionists in the universe. 954 00:45:56,879 --> 00:45:58,802 He sleeps two hours a day... 955 00:45:58,965 --> 00:46:02,139 and lives on air, when he can find it. 956 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,645 Usually I listen to him - I go up and buy health food... 957 00:46:04,804 --> 00:46:07,148 up at the local health food store and listen... 958 00:46:07,265 --> 00:46:09,188 but I never can eat, because according to Barry... 959 00:46:09,308 --> 00:46:13,029 everything gives you cancer, and everything else cures you of it. 960 00:46:13,145 --> 00:46:16,490 So I'm listening, and Renee gets this lightbulb idea after the show. 961 00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:20,244 “Why don't you call Barry up? I'll bet he knows what to do about your eye." 962 00:46:20,361 --> 00:46:23,661 So I give it a try, and he's wide-open. He knows all about a macula pucker... 963 00:46:23,823 --> 00:46:25,666 and he says, "Have you ever heard of... 964 00:46:25,825 --> 00:46:28,419 Dr. Ron A. Axe in Nutley, New Jersey?” 965 00:46:28,536 --> 00:46:30,709 “No, I can't say that I have.” 966 00:46:30,830 --> 00:46:34,585 “Well, he is the top nutritional ophthalmologist in America. 967 00:46:34,709 --> 00:46:36,586 You should give him a call.” 968 00:46:36,711 --> 00:46:39,009 So I call Dr. Ron A. Axe's number... 969 00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:41,344 and I get this wizened old voice. 970 00:46:41,507 --> 00:46:43,726 I mean, I have nothing against old people, but I don't know... 971 00:46:43,843 --> 00:46:45,845 if a doctor should have a receptionist quite this old. 972 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:48,473 It's like Tiresias. It's androgynous. 973 00:46:48,597 --> 00:46:50,224 You don't know if it's a man or a woman. It's... 974 00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:54,024 [Creaking Voice ] “Hello? What? 975 00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:56,939 You want to see who? 976 00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:59,692 Dr. Axe is very busy. 977 00:46:59,859 --> 00:47:03,534 You'll just have to take your chances and c-come on out. 978 00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:06,870 And come early, because you're gonna have to fill out... 979 00:47:07,033 --> 00:47:10,333 an extensive dietary questionnaire. 980 00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:13,172 Now, if you're coming by bus”... “l am.” 981 00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:16,293 “you take the Port Authority to the Nutley Mall... 982 00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:20,763 get off, turn left on Fay Street, and come on down. 983 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,224 You can't miss us.” 984 00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:26,431 Hangs up. Nothing. No appointment, no address. 985 00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:29,180 But I think, “Hmm. 986 00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:31,478 Sounds like an important journey... 987 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,069 and I should do what the old voice said.” 988 00:47:35,186 --> 00:47:38,406 So I take the bus out from Port Authority to the Nutley Mall. 989 00:47:38,564 --> 00:47:40,692 Get off. I turn left on Fay Street. 990 00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:43,740 I don't notice anything. I mean, it's New Jersey. It's a wasteland. 991 00:47:43,903 --> 00:47:47,373 Tract houses, no landscaping, high-tension wires. 992 00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:49,834 Then I round the corner, and - boom! - there it is. 993 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:53,580 Whoo! It's like Froot Loops. It's like Hansel and Gretel's house on acid. 994 00:47:53,746 --> 00:47:55,589 It's like a Howard Finster dream. 995 00:47:55,748 --> 00:47:57,591 All the shingles are the color of the rainbow. 996 00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:00,253 Day-Glo outlines around the windows of the house. 997 00:48:00,419 --> 00:48:03,764 The rocks the foundation is built from are all the primary colors. 998 00:48:03,923 --> 00:48:06,802 A bunch of fir trees over there with a big sign that says... 999 00:48:06,926 --> 00:48:09,054 “Dr. Ron A. Axe... 1000 00:48:09,178 --> 00:48:11,556 O.D., F.F.A.O... 1001 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,106 F.C.O.U.D., F.l.C.A., F.A.S.S.” 1002 00:48:16,268 --> 00:48:19,943 And out of the fir trees jumps this spindly little man with bottle-thick glasses. 1003 00:48:20,106 --> 00:48:23,576 I hope it's not Dr. Ron A. Axe. No, it's his brother, Don B. Axe. 1004 00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:26,115 Brother and assistant. He jumps out as though he's been hiding in there... 1005 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:27,659 waiting for me all day. 1006 00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:30,374 Hops out and says, “Hello, Mr. Gray. You are Mr. Gray, aren't you? 1007 00:48:30,491 --> 00:48:33,916 Follow me. We're going to the sun porch to fill out the dietary questionnaire.” 1008 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,710 I follow him around, come into the sunporch. I am overwhelmed. 1009 00:48:36,831 --> 00:48:39,584 Quadraphonic opera is playing. Madame Butte/fly, full blast. 1010 00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:41,506 On the wall are all these ski medals. 1011 00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,971 To my right, a six-foot-high cutout of Hoagy Carmichael. 1012 00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,056 Over to the left, these little miniature dinosaurs... 1013 00:48:46,173 --> 00:48:48,471 playing in a miniature prehistoric landscape. 1014 00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:51,220 On the ceiling, floating, four-foot-wide map of the moon... 1015 00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:52,972 famed in a pink Hula hoop. 1016 00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:55,600 To the left, the toothless head of a Bengal tiger roaring at me. 1017 00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:58,773 And spewing down the wall like a yellow papering waterfall... 1018 00:48:58,894 --> 00:49:02,364 is this 1964 original teletype printout... 1019 00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:06,952 of Lyndon Johnson's acceptance speech for the Democratic National Convention. 1020 00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:08,946 And I'm looking around, and Don says... 1021 00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:11,119 “All this stuff makes you want to see, doesn't it, Mr. Gray? 1022 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:14,835 Really activates the eyes. Makes you want to look." 1023 00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:16,795 “Yeah.” 1024 00:49:16,912 --> 00:49:18,789 So he gets out the dietary questionnaire. 1025 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,258 It's 754 questions... 1026 00:49:21,375 --> 00:49:24,128 concerning all the foods I may have eaten in the past six months. 1027 00:49:24,253 --> 00:49:26,130 And he's got all the categories here - 1028 00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:28,508 soups, meat, poultry, eggs, fish... 1029 00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:31,636 seafood, dairy products, vegetables, desserts, sweets, beverages... 1030 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,684 grains, breads, cereals, nuts, seeds, legumes, fruits... 1031 00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:38,935 spices, herbs, flavoring, condiments, miscellaneous items. 1032 00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:42,529 And he begins with “burrito.” 1033 00:49:42,646 --> 00:49:46,025 “All right, how many burritos have you had in the past six months?” 1034 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:48,118 “Um-" Now, I've got a photographic memory... 1035 00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:50,704 and I can remember the Mexican restaurants, but I can't remember what was on the plate. 1036 00:49:50,821 --> 00:49:52,915 Was it a burrito? Was it a taco? “All right, please. 1037 00:49:53,032 --> 00:49:54,579 How many? Quickly, quickly.” 1038 00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:56,668 “Um... 18.” 1039 00:49:56,785 --> 00:50:00,210 “All right. Eighteen burritos. Were they whole wheat or flour?" 1040 00:50:00,372 --> 00:50:03,342 “Whole wheat? I don't travel in those circles.” 1041 00:50:03,459 --> 00:50:06,713 “All right. Eighteen flour. On to borscht, please. Borscht.” 1042 00:50:06,879 --> 00:50:09,052 “Borscht? I don't eat it or drink it or whatever you do to it. 1043 00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:11,346 Just forget it. Wait a minute. Don't forget it. 1044 00:50:11,467 --> 00:50:14,721 You've got me so confused. I don't have an average six months in my life. 1045 00:50:14,845 --> 00:50:17,894 Five months ago, I was in Russia. I don't ever expect to be there again... 1046 00:50:18,057 --> 00:50:19,650 but I was eating borscht every day.” 1047 00:50:19,767 --> 00:50:22,611 “How many days were you there?” "I think it was a 14-day trip." 1048 00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:25,322 “We'll put 16 in case you had some for breakfast. 1049 00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:28,113 On to hot dogs, hot dogs?” “No hot dogs. Skip it. 1050 00:50:28,234 --> 00:50:30,578 No. No, wait a minute. No, no. Two months ago... 1051 00:50:30,736 --> 00:50:32,579 I think it was, I was in Columbus, Ohio... 1052 00:50:32,738 --> 00:50:35,116 and just across from my bed-and-breakfast there was this place called Coney Island. 1053 00:50:35,241 --> 00:50:37,118 I'd go in every day, and I'd order two - 1054 00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:39,746 No, wait a minute. Those were wieners. We'll wait till we get to W.” 1055 00:50:39,912 --> 00:50:42,165 And into the middle of this comes the old voice. 1056 00:50:42,289 --> 00:50:45,259 It's his 87-year-old mother with these bottle-thick glasses... 1057 00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,260 and a big babushka, saying... 1058 00:50:47,419 --> 00:50:50,468 “Time to bring Mr. Gray in to see Dr. Axe.” 1059 00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,263 “Stop it, Mother. Please. We have not finished the dietary questionnaire.” 1060 00:50:53,425 --> 00:50:56,395 “Bring him into the antechamber, then. Finish it there. 1061 00:50:56,512 --> 00:50:59,516 Bring him in to the antechamber.” 1062 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,608 “Antechamber”? 1063 00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,233 So into the antechamber we go. 1064 00:51:05,354 --> 00:51:07,857 Quadraphonic opera's playing full blast in there. 1065 00:51:07,982 --> 00:51:10,235 On the wall, the box from the Metropolitan Opera. 1066 00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:12,953 The general manager, Don, used to sing for the Met... 1067 00:51:13,112 --> 00:51:15,956 and after they tore it down, somehow he salvaged the box... 1068 00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:18,997 and it's up there, and it's got cutouts of Toscanini and Caruso... 1069 00:51:19,118 --> 00:51:21,541 black and white, six foot high, staring down. 1070 00:51:21,662 --> 00:51:24,632 Miniature Valkyries underneath. Crossed sabers underneath. 1071 00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,796 On the ceiling - map of the universe. 1072 00:51:26,917 --> 00:51:29,670 Christmas balls hanging down and strings at different levels. 1073 00:51:29,795 --> 00:51:32,719 And Don is saying to me, "Rabbit. How many rabbits do you eat? 1074 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,013 Do you eat it with the skin on? Skin off? Dark meat? Light meat?” 1075 00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,262 I said, “No, no. No rabbits. Renée won't let them in the house.” 1076 00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:40,356 Meanwhile, the mother is saying, “Bring him in now. Skip it. 1077 00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:44,648 Finish the dietary questionnaire later. Bring him in to see Dr. Axe now." 1078 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:46,983 J' Ta-da J' The door opens... 1079 00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:49,983 and there, sitting behind his desk is this spindly little man... 1080 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,155 with these bottle-thick glasses. 1081 00:51:52,318 --> 00:51:55,071 A sign reading “Dr. Ron A. Axe... 1082 00:51:55,195 --> 00:51:57,163 O.D., F.F.A.O., 1083 00:51:57,323 --> 00:51:59,826 F.C.O.U.D., F.l.C.A... 1084 00:51:59,992 --> 00:52:02,165 F.A.S.S.” 1085 00:52:02,286 --> 00:52:05,836 And he says, "Welcome, Mr. Gray. Welcome. 1086 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:09,176 Please, get in the electric chair.” 1087 00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:13,014 He refers to his examination chair as an “electric chair." I don't know why. 1088 00:52:13,172 --> 00:52:15,675 I get into the blue examination chair, and he begins... 1089 00:52:15,841 --> 00:52:19,436 - what I could only call a family slideshow. - [Slide Projector Clicking] 1090 00:52:19,553 --> 00:52:21,976 The first slide was of he and his brother, Don... 1091 00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:24,691 skiing down Mount Washington, down Tuckerman's Ravine. 1092 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:26,568 Tucking down Tuckerman's. 1093 00:52:26,685 --> 00:52:29,063 Next slide: he and his brother and his 87-year-old mother... 1094 00:52:29,188 --> 00:52:30,940 skiing in Stowe, Vermont. 1095 00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:34,114 The next one: he and his brother and his 87-year-old mother... 1096 00:52:34,234 --> 00:52:36,032 visiting Lenin's tomb. 1097 00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:38,702 I'm trying to relate to this, so I say, “Oh, yeah. Lenin's tomb. 1098 00:52:38,822 --> 00:52:43,043 That's where I was five months ago. That's where I had the 16 borscht.” 1099 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,538 Then something strange happened. 1100 00:52:45,663 --> 00:52:47,540 Somehow - I don't know how he did this - 1101 00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:50,209 up into the left-hand corner of the family slide... 1102 00:52:50,334 --> 00:52:53,053 he fades an eye chart, a traditional doctors eye chart... 1103 00:52:53,212 --> 00:52:55,681 and he says, "Can you read this?" 1104 00:52:55,798 --> 00:52:57,892 And I found I could. I could read it better... 1105 00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:00,052 than I could read it in my Chinese doctor's office. 1106 00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:02,896 I don't know why. Maybe the family slideshow relaxed me. 1107 00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:05,812 But I thought, “You know, there's method in this man's meshugaas. 1108 00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:08,561 I'm gonna let him examine my pucker.” 1109 00:53:08,727 --> 00:53:10,320 And he does. 1110 00:53:10,437 --> 00:53:12,405 Looks at both eyes, then says... 1111 00:53:12,564 --> 00:53:15,113 “Now, Mr. Gray, I would just like to speculate... 1112 00:53:15,234 --> 00:53:17,236 speculate a bit on causes.” 1113 00:53:17,361 --> 00:53:20,331 “Oh. Causes. Great. Maybe I'm not idiopathic after all. 1114 00:53:20,447 --> 00:53:21,824 Let's give it a run.” 1115 00:53:21,949 --> 00:53:23,917 “I'd just like to throw it out. Vitamin C - 1116 00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:25,919 Do you take a lot of vitamin C?” 1117 00:53:26,078 --> 00:53:28,456 “Sure. I have to when I'm on the road. I don't have an understudy. 1118 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,207 I can't afford to get a cold.” 1119 00:53:30,332 --> 00:53:32,426 “You know what vitamin C is, Mr. Gray? 1120 00:53:32,543 --> 00:53:35,217 “Um, I thought it was vitamin C.” 1121 00:53:35,337 --> 00:53:38,932 “Wrong. It's ascorbic acid. And do you know the vitreous humor... 1122 00:53:39,091 --> 00:53:42,220 and the pancreas are two parts of the body that can't assimilate ascorbic acid? 1123 00:53:42,344 --> 00:53:44,688 So why would you be doing that - pouring acid into your eye? 1124 00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:47,103 Now, if it isn't the vitamin C, it's the ozone layer. 1125 00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:49,109 It's breaking down. Sheep are going blind in New Zealand. 1126 00:53:49,268 --> 00:53:52,112 I hope you're wearing a big broad-brimmed hat and good thick sunglasses. 1127 00:53:52,271 --> 00:53:55,275 Now, this is all speculation. You've got to have a blood and urine workup... 1128 00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:57,447 and then come back to me as soon as you have that done. 1129 00:53:57,609 --> 00:54:00,783 As for today, it's $240. You go and pay my mother." 1130 00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:04,450 I go and pay the mother $240. No health insurance in that place. 1131 00:54:04,575 --> 00:54:06,953 She's sitting there with her babushka on, going... 1132 00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:09,671 “Work, work, work. 1133 00:54:09,788 --> 00:54:12,962 That's all my son does now is work and research. 1134 00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:16,095 He doesn't sleep. I don't have a life. 1135 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:19,260 We don't even ski anymore. I'm 87 years old... 1136 00:54:19,381 --> 00:54:21,349 and I don't have a life!” 1137 00:54:22,426 --> 00:54:24,269 So I hand her the $240 check... 1138 00:54:24,386 --> 00:54:27,060 and I go out searching for blood and urine analysis clinics. 1139 00:54:27,181 --> 00:54:30,185 I'm going from New York to San Francisco. Every clinic I go to... 1140 00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:33,108 looks at the paperwork and the technicians say... 1141 00:54:33,228 --> 00:54:36,402 “We don't test human beings for this stuff.” 1142 00:54:36,523 --> 00:54:38,525 So I don't know what to do. I call Dr. Axe. 1143 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:40,869 He recommends a place up in upstate New York. 1144 00:54:40,986 --> 00:54:42,863 Maybe they're in cahoots. I go up there. 1145 00:54:42,988 --> 00:54:45,457 One thousand dollars they charge me. No health insurance. 1146 00:54:45,574 --> 00:54:48,293 They draw more blood from me than I've ever had taken before. 1147 00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:50,959 And then they give me this, like, milk carton, you know, with a handle. 1148 00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:54,333 Like, a cardboard box to collect my urine for 24 hours. 1149 00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:57,758 I'm carrying it around with me everywhere. I'm ducking behind hedges in Central Park. 1150 00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:00,631 I'm carrying it to therapy. I got it at the theater between my legs. 1151 00:55:00,756 --> 00:55:02,633 I'm traveling on the subway with it between my legs... 1152 00:55:02,758 --> 00:55:05,307 having made the mistake of eating asparagus the night before. 1153 00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,350 At last I get all the paperwork done. 1154 00:55:07,513 --> 00:55:10,357 I bring in the report to Dr. Axe, and he's reviewing it... 1155 00:55:10,474 --> 00:55:12,351 and he looks down, and he says... 1156 00:55:12,476 --> 00:55:15,025 “Here's your culprit: vanadium. 1157 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,364 Goes right off the chart.” 1158 00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:19,233 “Vanadium? What's that?” 1159 00:55:19,358 --> 00:55:21,861 “A rare element used to toughen steel 1160 00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:24,033 and make it more shock-resistant. 1161 00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:26,532 In short, you're filled with heavy metal.” 1162 00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:30,453 “But where would it come from? I mean, none of my friends have it." 1163 00:55:30,577 --> 00:55:33,376 “Sea cucumbers and sea anemones.” 1164 00:55:33,497 --> 00:55:35,966 “But I never eat them. I don't know anything about them.” 1165 00:55:36,083 --> 00:55:39,804 “No, but I bet you eat big fish, don't you? I bet you're a fan of big fish." 1166 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,799 “Yes, I love to eat big fish. I eat it any chance I get.” 1167 00:55:42,923 --> 00:55:46,018 “Well, that's where it comes from. They eat the sea cucumbers and sea anemones... 1168 00:55:46,134 --> 00:55:48,432 and it gets into their fatty tissue, and you eat it. 1169 00:55:48,554 --> 00:55:51,558 So you've got to give it up. Got to give up all your big fish. 1170 00:55:51,682 --> 00:55:55,061 Your swordfish, your salmon, your tuna, your mahimahi. 1171 00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:58,735 You've got to give up your shellfish, crustaceans, lobsters... 1172 00:55:58,897 --> 00:56:01,400 scallops and chicken and turkey.” 1173 00:56:01,525 --> 00:56:03,994 “Chicken and turkey? But why chicken and turkey?” 1174 00:56:04,111 --> 00:56:07,240 “Because they grind up big fish and feed them to the chicken and turkey. 1175 00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:10,083 You understand? Give it up. Just eat raw vegetables. 1176 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,498 That's what you should do. The only reason people cook vegetables... 1177 00:56:12,619 --> 00:56:14,587 is 'cause in the old days, people had wooden false teeth. 1178 00:56:14,705 --> 00:56:16,958 Now you don't have to. Eat it raw. You hear me? 1179 00:56:17,082 --> 00:56:20,382 Raw! Raw! Raw!” 1180 00:56:20,502 --> 00:56:24,552 Uh, to improve my eyesight, go on an all-raw-vegetable diet? 1181 00:56:24,673 --> 00:56:28,303 Uh, that'd be tough. I don't think so. 1182 00:56:28,427 --> 00:56:31,522 A raw-vegetable diet? 1183 00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:34,687 Yeah. If it would improve my sight, yeah. 1184 00:56:34,808 --> 00:56:36,776 Well, yes, I think so. 1185 00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:40,148 I like anything that has to do with nutrition if I feel like it's valid... 1186 00:56:40,272 --> 00:56:42,400 and something that I would enjoy anyway. 1187 00:56:42,524 --> 00:56:44,401 'Cause I already like vegetables. 1188 00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:48,121 Oh, yes, because I happen to be reading that right now... 1189 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,954 and I believe in totally - 1190 00:56:51,074 --> 00:56:54,453 The raw vegetables is the only way to get the live enzymes... 1191 00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,089 and vitamins out of fruits and vegetables. 1192 00:56:57,205 --> 00:56:59,082 I think I would consider... 1193 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:02,256 going on an all-raw-vegetable diet... 1194 00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:05,221 if the person giving me that pitch was convincing enough, I think... 1195 00:57:05,339 --> 00:57:07,762 and if I wouldn't have to do that for too long. 1196 00:57:07,883 --> 00:57:11,683 I don't think an all-raw-vegetable diet is for me. 1197 00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:15,603 I'm omnivorous, and I really enjoy the meat in my diet... 1198 00:57:15,724 --> 00:57:17,818 so no, I don't think I would. 1199 00:57:18,977 --> 00:57:21,571 And he put the fear into me, and I totally believed him... 1200 00:57:21,688 --> 00:57:24,316 and I went on a raw-vegetable diet. 1201 00:57:24,483 --> 00:57:28,408 I went to the supermarket, a place I thought used to have food. 1202 00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:30,622 I mean, I look down the aisle, I think... 1203 00:57:30,739 --> 00:57:33,538 “Nothing there for me. Nothing there for me. Nothing there -" 1204 00:57:33,659 --> 00:57:35,536 I've never seen so much nothing in my life. 1205 00:57:35,661 --> 00:57:38,289 In the old days, when I'd shop, I wouldn't even take a list with me. 1206 00:57:38,413 --> 00:57:40,290 I would just take the can, go down the aisle... 1207 00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:42,167 take whatever caught my eye - my good eye - 1208 00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:44,169 pop it into the wagon, go down. 1209 00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:46,467 Now I have to go to the vegetable area. What is it? 1210 00:57:46,588 --> 00:57:50,013 It's a bunch of vegetables being spritzed with a [ imitates Spritzer] sprayer. 1211 00:57:50,175 --> 00:57:53,395 It's supposed to make them look glossy. In my opinion, it's waterlogging them. 1212 00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:56,140 The celery's soggy. I don't know where to go find vegetables. 1213 00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:58,187 I go the farmers' market in Manhattan... 1214 00:57:58,350 --> 00:58:00,227 in Union Square every Wednesday and Saturday... 1215 00:58:00,352 --> 00:58:02,525 hoping I'll find the Pennsylvania Dutch bringing in... 1216 00:58:02,646 --> 00:58:04,694 some exotic turnips or something... 1217 00:58:04,856 --> 00:58:07,109 and I see this sign that says... 1218 00:58:07,234 --> 00:58:09,953 “Farm-raised trout from the Catskills.” 1219 00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:12,664 I think, “Oh, boy. There's a fish I could eat. 1220 00:58:12,781 --> 00:58:14,783 Raised on a farm in the Catskills? 1221 00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:17,536 Couldn't run into any sea cucumbers up there." 1222 00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:20,206 So I go over, I'm chatting the woman up. There are three of them. 1223 00:58:20,372 --> 00:58:22,215 She's wrapping them in newspaper. I say... 1224 00:58:22,374 --> 00:58:24,877 “Hey, by the way, I'm just curious - what do you feed your trout?” 1225 00:58:25,043 --> 00:58:27,717 She says, “Chicken.” 1226 00:58:27,838 --> 00:58:30,011 Also, I'd given up drinking alcohol. 1227 00:58:30,132 --> 00:58:32,476 Went cold-turkey. Just stopped, you know? 1228 00:58:32,592 --> 00:58:35,141 I mean, after my mother's death, the only religious ritual... 1229 00:58:35,262 --> 00:58:37,356 left in our home was cocktail hour. 1230 00:58:37,472 --> 00:58:40,726 What's a day without cocktail hour? It's just one big... 1231 00:58:40,892 --> 00:58:43,611 [Grating Sound ] 1232 00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:49,951 Bed! 1233 00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:53,322 So I was on this raw-vegetable diet. I'd given up pretty much everything: 1234 00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:56,326 sugar, caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, meat - 1235 00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:58,623 and pretty much sex too, 'cause they're all interconnected. 1236 00:58:58,744 --> 00:59:01,167 I hadn't realized that until I gave all those up. 1237 00:59:01,288 --> 00:59:05,259 And I got this raw-vegetable diet, and it's causing enormous intestinal gas... 1238 00:59:05,417 --> 00:59:07,511 and Renée and I are practically breaking up over it. 1239 00:59:07,627 --> 00:59:09,629 I'm getting real thin, and Renée's mother sees me... 1240 00:59:09,755 --> 00:59:12,053 and she says, "Spalding, it looks like... 1241 00:59:12,174 --> 00:59:15,178 you have just entered the Bermuda Triangle of health." 1242 00:59:15,302 --> 00:59:18,146 Renée's mother's got this theory that this Bermuda Triangle of health... 1243 00:59:18,263 --> 00:59:19,856 is between 50 and 53. 1244 00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,771 That's when everything starts happening to you. 1245 00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:23,731 If you make it through, you live to a ripe old age. 1246 00:59:23,852 --> 00:59:26,446 She had a heart attack at 51. She survived. She outlived it. 1247 00:59:26,605 --> 00:59:29,484 Her husband, Renée's father - mm, he died at 52. Didn't make it. 1248 00:59:29,608 --> 00:59:31,781 My mom killed herself at 52. 1249 00:59:31,943 --> 00:59:34,287 Renée's mother's brother had a heart attack at 50. 1250 00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:36,327 He made it through the Bermuda Triangle of health. 1251 00:59:36,448 --> 00:59:39,201 And I was in it, and I was damn lonely. 1252 00:59:39,326 --> 00:59:42,830 I'm saying to my doctor, “Please, show me someone else that has a macular pucker.” 1253 00:59:42,954 --> 00:59:46,800 He tells me hundreds of people have them, but he's not giving me any phone numbers. 1254 00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:49,545 So I'm so lonely that I go down to The Village Voice newspaper... 1255 00:59:49,669 --> 00:59:53,014 and I put an ad in that says, “Macular Pucker Club - 1256 00:59:53,131 --> 00:59:55,225 Does anyone else have one? 1257 00:59:55,342 --> 00:59:57,640 Let's share stories.” 1258 00:59:57,761 --> 00:59:59,684 And all I get is a letter from a guy... 1259 00:59:59,805 --> 01:00:02,479 who wants to scrape me. 1260 01:00:06,019 --> 01:00:08,898 Then the inevitable happened. My Chinese doctor called me in... 1261 01:00:09,022 --> 01:00:10,399 to have my eye examination. 1262 01:00:10,524 --> 01:00:12,026 I didn't want to go, really. 1263 01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:14,073 I just denied that it was ever going to happen. 1264 01:00:14,194 --> 01:00:16,538 I drag myself in. I sit there. 1265 01:00:16,655 --> 01:00:19,659 I don't have a book anymore. I'm just waiting for my pupils to dilate. 1266 01:00:19,825 --> 01:00:22,829 I- I-I'm munching on a sweet potato, I remember. 1267 01:00:22,994 --> 01:00:25,747 And out of the nurses' office comes this man... 1268 01:00:25,872 --> 01:00:28,250 with a - oh, God, a drooping eye! 1269 01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:30,503 It's worse than a bloodhound. Worse than Elephant Man. 1270 01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:32,595 I can't look at it. I say, “Nurse, what was that?" 1271 01:00:32,712 --> 01:00:35,682 She goes, "Oh, Mr. Gray, that's the drooping eye." 1272 01:00:35,799 --> 01:00:38,052 “I figured as much, but where would it come from?” 1273 01:00:38,176 --> 01:00:40,520 “Oh, sometimes it's a result of the operation.” 1274 01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,477 “What? No one told me that!” 1275 01:00:42,597 --> 01:00:44,474 “Oh, Mr. Gray, don't be a silly-billy. 1276 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,603 It's easily fixed with corrective or plastic surgery." 1277 01:00:47,727 --> 01:00:50,025 And she goes back into the office, and I am sitting there. 1278 01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,691 I go into a bubble. I'm completely freaked out. 1279 01:00:52,858 --> 01:00:56,738 I picture Jesus, like the old days, coming into the waiting room, you know? 1280 01:00:56,862 --> 01:00:59,536 And the way he used to come to the multitudes and - N [ Fanfare ] 1281 01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:02,205 And the lame shall walk, and - N' [ Fanfare ] the deaf shall hear. 1282 01:01:02,325 --> 01:01:06,000 And - bing! - the blind shall see. One-touch Jesus - that's what I picture. 1283 01:01:06,121 --> 01:01:08,374 Or E.T. with his magical, sparky finger... 1284 01:01:08,498 --> 01:01:11,047 coming and - zhoom! - zapping my eye, and I'm better. 1285 01:01:11,168 --> 01:01:13,637 'Cause that's what I want. I want magic and miracles. 1286 01:01:13,753 --> 01:01:16,097 I don't want this medicine, please. 1287 01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:18,592 And as I'm thinking this - boop! - the man with the drooping eye... 1288 01:01:18,717 --> 01:01:22,062 trips over my foot, runs into a woman whose pupils are dilated. 1289 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:25,565 She “sclumps" down next to me and says, “Hello. 1290 01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:27,901 I have a macula pucker. What do you have?" 1291 01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:30,107 Oh! I hug her! At last! 1292 01:01:30,228 --> 01:01:32,606 “Oh, my God, it's so good to meet you. What have you been doing?" 1293 01:01:32,731 --> 01:01:35,359 She said, “Well, I've been doing some alternative therapies... 1294 01:01:35,483 --> 01:01:39,408 but I had to come in here today because today is my preoperative exam. 1295 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:42,078 I have to make up my mind by Thursday.” “What? Oh, my God! 1296 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,335 I wouldn't know what to do if they told me Thursday. What are you going to do?” 1297 01:01:45,452 --> 01:01:47,295 “I don't know. To tell you the truth... 1298 01:01:47,412 --> 01:01:50,336 I helped cofound the emergency room at Roosevelt Hospital. And if you knew... 1299 01:01:50,457 --> 01:01:53,131 what I knew about New York hospitals, I don't think you'd go in one.” 1300 01:01:53,251 --> 01:01:55,345 “Oh, I know. That's what all my friends are saying. 1301 01:01:55,462 --> 01:01:57,385 So I've been trying to do alternatives myself." 1302 01:01:57,505 --> 01:02:00,099 She said, “Well, I'm considering - A friend of mine - listen - 1303 01:02:00,217 --> 01:02:02,436 had a breast tumor plucked from her breast. 1304 01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:04,771 No cutting or anything like that. 1305 01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:07,732 She went to the Philippines to a psychic surgeon.” 1306 01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,819 “What? A Philippines psychic surgeon? 1307 01:02:10,936 --> 01:02:12,904 Why didn't I think of that?” 1308 01:02:13,021 --> 01:02:16,116 “Well, you could still go. I have his name. His name is Trini Boca. 1309 01:02:16,233 --> 01:02:19,112 He's known - I don't know why - as the Elvis Presley of psychic surgeons. 1310 01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:21,450 He's in Manila. I'll give you all the information." 1311 01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:24,450 Just as she's telling me this, the nurse comes out of the office and says... 1312 01:02:24,574 --> 01:02:27,077 “The doctor will see you now, Mr. Gray.” 1313 01:02:27,202 --> 01:02:31,457 And I say, “Well - Well-Well - I'm not ready to see the doctor. 1314 01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:34,255 - I'm off to the Philippines!” - [Airplane Engine Roaring] 1315 01:02:37,295 --> 01:02:41,220 If I flew to the Philippines to be treated by a psychic surgeon... 1316 01:02:41,341 --> 01:02:43,469 I don't believe anything would happen to me. 1317 01:02:43,593 --> 01:02:47,268 I believe in real doctors with knives and medicine. 1318 01:02:47,389 --> 01:02:49,391 And pretty nurses. 1319 01:02:49,516 --> 01:02:51,359 No. 1320 01:02:51,476 --> 01:02:54,025 Just sounds too way-out. 1321 01:02:54,145 --> 01:02:55,613 Not my style. 1322 01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:57,107 Never heard of it. 1323 01:02:57,232 --> 01:02:59,985 I think I - I think I would, uh - 1324 01:03:00,110 --> 01:03:03,364 I would try going to the Philippines to see a psychic surgeon. 1325 01:03:03,488 --> 01:03:07,118 You know, if nothing else, it'd be an interesting trip. 1326 01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:09,711 I don't know. I guess it couldn't hurt. 1327 01:03:09,828 --> 01:03:11,922 Psychic surgeon? No. 1328 01:03:12,038 --> 01:03:14,291 I don't really believe in psychic surgeons. 1329 01:03:14,416 --> 01:03:16,635 Uh-Uh- 1330 01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:19,595 I wouldn't mind going and watching a surgery... 1331 01:03:19,713 --> 01:03:22,683 but, you know, I don't believe in it, no. 1332 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,267 [Laughs] 1333 01:03:24,384 --> 01:03:27,479 A psychic surgeon? 1334 01:03:27,595 --> 01:03:30,223 That doesn't appeal to me either. No, I don't think so. 1335 01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:33,727 I'm not a believer in psychic surgery. 1336 01:03:33,852 --> 01:03:36,776 Uh, my best friend's an ophthalmic surgeon... 1337 01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:38,773 and I think I'd trust him with my eyes... 1338 01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:40,866 before a Filipino. 1339 01:03:42,110 --> 01:03:44,954 And I did it! I flew all the way to the Philippines on my own... 1340 01:03:45,071 --> 01:03:46,948 without taking a drink on the plane once. 1341 01:03:47,073 --> 01:03:48,950 I arrive. I'm pretty jet-lagged. I got directions. 1342 01:03:49,075 --> 01:03:51,453 I'm supposed to go down to Trini Boca's psychic surgery lab... 1343 01:03:51,578 --> 01:03:53,455 at 9:30 in the morning there in Manila. 1344 01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:55,378 Used to be the Tip Top Disco. 1345 01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:57,793 Now it's been converted to a psychic surgery lab. 1346 01:03:57,917 --> 01:04:00,511 I arrive at 9:30. I'm the only Westerner there. 1347 01:04:00,628 --> 01:04:02,505 The rest are Japanese. About 50 Japanese. 1348 01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:05,474 There's a bus tour - Psychic Surgeons of the Philippines - that they're on. 1349 01:04:05,592 --> 01:04:08,937 I think 25 are being operated on. The other 25 are videotaping it... 1350 01:04:09,054 --> 01:04:10,772 judging from the equipment they've got. 1351 01:04:10,889 --> 01:04:12,891 And we're all going down this long corridor... 1352 01:04:13,016 --> 01:04:15,394 pictures of Trini Boca doing psychic surgery on the walls. 1353 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,781 We get to the end of the corridor, there's this huge crucifix of Jesus - who else? 1354 01:04:19,898 --> 01:04:22,492 And I turn, we go into the operating room... 1355 01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:25,783 and I cannot believe my eye. 1356 01:04:25,904 --> 01:04:27,872 - There he is - Trini Boca... - [ Crowd Cheering] 1357 01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:30,333 The Elvis Presley of psychic surgeons... 1358 01:04:30,450 --> 01:04:32,703 standing in semitrance under fluorescent light. 1359 01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:34,625 He's a short man, about 45 years old. Prince Valiant haircut. 1360 01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:36,714 Gold chains around his neck. 1361 01:04:36,831 --> 01:04:38,708 - Gold rings on his fingers, a gold watch. - ♪♪ [ Rhythmic Percussion ] 1362 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:40,585 He's got a light blue surgical gown on. 1363 01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:43,008 He's got these Palm Beach white lattice leisure shoes. 1364 01:04:43,129 --> 01:04:47,225 He's got this kind of Ricky Ricardo-babalu Vegas energy pouring off him. 1365 01:04:47,342 --> 01:04:49,640 And around his waist is a butcher's apron. 1366 01:04:49,761 --> 01:04:53,106 He's standing in front of this operating table that's shrink-wrapped in plastic. 1367 01:04:53,264 --> 01:04:56,234 Either end of the table, two men with mops. 1368 01:04:56,351 --> 01:04:58,729 And it begins. 1369 01:04:58,853 --> 01:05:01,572 Trini rolls up his sleeves, comes out of trance... 1370 01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:03,862 shows everyone he's got "nothing in his hands, folks." 1371 01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:06,702 Puts his hands up, and the first Japanese woman... 1372 01:05:06,820 --> 01:05:09,573 trots up, lies out on the table, Trini takes his hands and... 1373 01:05:09,697 --> 01:05:11,665 [ Exclaims ] drives them into her stomach. 1374 01:05:11,783 --> 01:05:14,957 The blood shoots five feet in the air... 1375 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,624 spraying the other naked Japanese that are running, screaming, like children... 1376 01:05:18,790 --> 01:05:21,009 playing under a bloody sprinkler in summertime. 1377 01:05:21,126 --> 01:05:24,096 “Ow! Ow! Ow!" She goes around to the back of the line. 1378 01:05:24,212 --> 01:05:28,137 Up comes a Japanese man. He lies down. Trini drives his fingers into his stomach. 1379 01:05:28,258 --> 01:05:32,138 He begins pulling out what looks like a meatball the size of a bull's heart. 1380 01:05:32,262 --> 01:05:34,936 “Thoomp!” Throws that in a bucket. That man goes around to the back of the line. 1381 01:05:35,056 --> 01:05:36,979 Up comes a Japanese woman. She lies down. 1382 01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:39,319 He takes his fingers - droop! - drives them into her stomach... 1383 01:05:39,436 --> 01:05:41,313 pulls out what looks like bloody grapes... 1384 01:05:41,438 --> 01:05:44,738 begins squeezing them overhead, like a kid playing with his own shit. 1385 01:05:44,858 --> 01:05:47,702 It's dropping down over her breasts. She goes around to the back of the line. 1386 01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:49,821 Up comes a Japanese man. He lies out. 1387 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:51,664 Trini takes his underwear, pulls it back.. 1388 01:05:51,781 --> 01:05:54,330 Revealing his round, firm, full rump... 1389 01:05:54,451 --> 01:05:56,954 and begins reaching in, reaching up his ass. 1390 01:05:57,078 --> 01:05:59,922 With gold rings on his fingers he's reaching up. 1391 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,339 And he's pulling out what looks like spaghetti with marinara sauce on it. 1392 01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:05,633 It's supposed to be hemorrhoids. “Thoomp!” Throws them in a bucket. 1393 01:06:05,753 --> 01:06:08,848 That man goes to the back of the line. Up comes a woman. She lies down. 1394 01:06:09,007 --> 01:06:11,760 He begins to ooze pus out of her neck, green and yellow pus... 1395 01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:14,434 catching in a cup. She goes around to the back of the line. 1396 01:06:14,554 --> 01:06:17,182 They go through one more time, basically having the same thing done. 1397 01:06:17,307 --> 01:06:20,106 He finishes, goes over, crosses them, blesses them. 1398 01:06:20,226 --> 01:06:21,978 Goes over to the crucifix, genuflects... 1399 01:06:22,103 --> 01:06:24,151 wipes the blood off his Palm Beach leisure shoe... 1400 01:06:24,272 --> 01:06:26,695 - lights a cigarette, and leaves. - ♪♪ [ Ends ] 1401 01:06:28,943 --> 01:06:32,197 [ Drunkenly] And I - And I went back to my hotel... 1402 01:06:32,322 --> 01:06:35,371 and had my first drink. 1403 01:06:35,492 --> 01:06:39,713 I had 12 of them, in fact. Twelve San Miguel beers. 1404 01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:41,957 Oh, my God. There was no one to talk to at the hotel. 1405 01:06:42,081 --> 01:06:44,379 All the Japanese tourists were there. They didn't speak any English. 1406 01:06:44,501 --> 01:06:47,254 The only people that spoke any English were the Philippine waiters... 1407 01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:50,723 and they're going, [Filipino Accent] “Hmm. You go to Trini Boca, sir? 1408 01:06:50,882 --> 01:06:53,135 Hmm? He's very powerful man. 1409 01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:55,136 You will be healed if you believe.” 1410 01:06:55,261 --> 01:06:57,889 “Believe? Is that a prerequisite? 1411 01:06:58,014 --> 01:07:01,393 I thought he was gonna be like Jesus or E.T. - 1412 01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:03,402 one touch and I'd be healed. 1413 01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:05,438 Oh, God, give me another drink!” 1414 01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:09,033 “You don't believe, sir?” “No. No, I don't believe. 1415 01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,027 Doubt is my bottom line. 1416 01:07:11,152 --> 01:07:13,246 The only thing I don't doubt is my doubt. 1417 01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:15,582 God, get me another beer, please.” 1418 01:07:15,698 --> 01:07:17,917 “You do not believe in a creator, sir?” 1419 01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:19,752 “No. What creator? 1420 01:07:19,911 --> 01:07:22,630 I thought I was idiopathic. 1421 01:07:22,747 --> 01:07:24,795 Give me another beer, please.” 1422 01:07:24,916 --> 01:07:27,965 “But you are praying all the time, sir.” “What do you mean, I'm praying?” 1423 01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:31,090 “You are saying, 'Oh, God, please, a beer. 1424 01:07:31,256 --> 01:07:34,510 Oh, God, please, another beer."' 1425 01:07:34,634 --> 01:07:37,103 I went upstairs. I couldn't sleep. 1426 01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:39,598 All I could see is meatballs flying through the air. 1427 01:07:39,722 --> 01:07:42,976 At last I had a little drunken slumber. Woke up with a hangover, ravaged... 1428 01:07:43,101 --> 01:07:45,274 staring at the ceiling, thinking... 1429 01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:49,025 “AIDS. AIDS. Of course. 1430 01:07:49,148 --> 01:07:52,152 Why does it take so long to get to my bottom line of fear? 1431 01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:55,156 What American in this day and age wouldn't be blood-phobic... 1432 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,078 with all that blood flying around? 1433 01:07:57,198 --> 01:07:58,950 I gotta go down and talk to Trini Boca,” I think. 1434 01:07:59,075 --> 01:08:02,454 So I go down a half hour early, and I tell him, “Please, please, Mr. Boca... 1435 01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:04,793 when you finish operating on the Japanese today... 1436 01:08:04,956 --> 01:08:07,175 just wash your hands in rubbing alcohol... 1437 01:08:07,292 --> 01:08:11,263 come to my hotel room, do a private operation with me, please?” 1438 01:08:11,379 --> 01:08:14,929 [ Filipino Accent] “No. We do not do the private here. 1439 01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:18,178 Group only. No, no. No private operation.” 1440 01:08:18,303 --> 01:08:21,307 “But you have to respect my fear for AIDS. 1441 01:08:21,431 --> 01:08:24,310 How would I totally relax and lie out on a table and give over to you... 1442 01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:26,186 if I have that fear in the way?” 1443 01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:28,359 “There's no AIDS here. 1444 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,153 One man came. He had the virus. Did not tell me. 1445 01:08:31,274 --> 01:08:33,447 My hands, they would not enter, they go... 1446 01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:35,662 zoom! [Gurgling ] 1447 01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:39,911 No AIDS.” 1448 01:08:40,033 --> 01:08:43,003 I wanted to believe him. I wanted to get on that table. 1449 01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,167 “Where would I ever get the courage?” I thought. 1450 01:08:45,330 --> 01:08:48,504 And I thought, "I will just get in with the Japanese. 1451 01:08:48,666 --> 01:08:51,419 When they start moving, they got that kamikaze energy. 1452 01:08:51,544 --> 01:08:54,548 Up on that table. No doubt.” 1453 01:08:54,672 --> 01:08:58,176 So I get in line with the Japanese that are gonna be operated on. 1454 01:08:58,301 --> 01:09:01,931 They strip to their underwear. I'm stripping to my red Fruit of the Loom jockey shorts. 1455 01:09:02,055 --> 01:09:04,183 And I'm just standing there, my knees shaking, waiting. 1456 01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:06,856 And Trini comes, he rolls up his sleeves. 1457 01:09:07,018 --> 01:09:10,192 The Japanese woman from the day before comes up, lies out on the table. 1458 01:09:10,313 --> 01:09:12,907 He takes his hands and drives them into her stomach. 1459 01:09:13,024 --> 01:09:16,369 The blood shoots five feet into the air. People start going around. 1460 01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:19,201 It's my turn. I rush up. I lie out on the table. I'm shaking. 1461 01:09:19,364 --> 01:09:23,870 I look up and say, “Trini, remember, it's just my eye. Just my left eye. 1462 01:09:24,035 --> 01:09:27,710 Don't be pulling any meatballs out of me, please.” 1463 01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:30,549 He raises his hands. Shows me - nothing in them. 1464 01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:32,544 He goes over, he washes them off... 1465 01:09:32,669 --> 01:09:35,798 in basically what looks like a bucket of blood. 1466 01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:38,220 Picks up the cotton gauze. This is where the “debunk” is... 1467 01:09:38,341 --> 01:09:40,469 like Amazing Randi says, that they hide the blood pellets. 1468 01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:43,938 But as if to show me, prove it to me, opens it - nothing in them. 1469 01:09:44,055 --> 01:09:46,057 Comes at me. Two fingers. Cop. 1470 01:09:46,224 --> 01:09:49,319 All of a sudden, I feel this pressure. His fingers are going in my eye. 1471 01:09:49,435 --> 01:09:51,483 Blood is coming out. I assume it's my blood. 1472 01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:53,572 It doesn't feel like my blood, though neither does a nosebleed... 1473 01:09:53,731 --> 01:09:55,233 when it comes out of my nose. 1474 01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:57,452 But it's coming down, dripping over my other eye. Pop! 1475 01:09:57,568 --> 01:09:59,787 Pulls his finger out. No. Stops. 1476 01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:03,329 I run, not to the back of the line but to the men's room to look in the mirror. 1477 01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:06,248 I'm looking at my eye, and there's no blood leftover. What's going on? 1478 01:10:06,411 --> 01:10:09,381 And I don't see any better. And now all I can hear is my friends... 1479 01:10:09,497 --> 01:10:11,499 back in Barrington, Rhode Island, saying... 1480 01:10:11,624 --> 01:10:14,753 “Say you went to a guy who started pulling meatballs... 1481 01:10:14,919 --> 01:10:16,967 out of you the size of melons. 1482 01:10:17,088 --> 01:10:19,841 Would you go to a doctor then?” 1483 01:10:19,966 --> 01:10:21,388 “Yes! 1484 01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:23,185 Yes! 1485 01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:25,388 Yes!” 1486 01:10:25,513 --> 01:10:29,438 At first, I really thought that this gentleman was just an actor... 1487 01:10:29,559 --> 01:10:32,483 and that he would try to memorize... 1488 01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:35,903 or let's say just be able to give his lines in a certain way. 1489 01:10:36,023 --> 01:10:39,527 But he was so very good at it, and he was so very knowledgeable, really... 1490 01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:41,654 when it came to some of the medical terms... 1491 01:10:41,779 --> 01:10:44,282 and I guess he became so believable... 1492 01:10:44,449 --> 01:10:48,249 that I really wanted to question whether it was fiction or it was for real. 1493 01:10:48,369 --> 01:10:51,122 Well, I just thought that... 1494 01:10:51,247 --> 01:10:54,421 the methods he chose, the alternative methods... 1495 01:10:54,542 --> 01:10:57,216 including the sweat box... 1496 01:10:57,336 --> 01:11:00,431 the psychic Philippine person... 1497 01:11:00,548 --> 01:11:04,052 and the raw vegetables - they were just so extreme. 1498 01:11:04,177 --> 01:11:08,933 I didn't think anybody would go through those extremes to, uh... 1499 01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:13,944 you know, to treat an eye problem. 1500 01:11:14,061 --> 01:11:17,156 And he obviously is a very intelligent person. 1501 01:11:17,315 --> 01:11:18,988 He's very neurotic. 1502 01:11:19,108 --> 01:11:21,406 I think he certainly takes things to extreme... 1503 01:11:21,527 --> 01:11:25,122 and I'm not sure I agree with his thought process about everything... 1504 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,334 but I really was surprised... 1505 01:11:28,493 --> 01:11:31,087 that it really was - He was the patient. Mm-hmm. 1506 01:11:31,204 --> 01:11:35,334 I think he was kind of humorous. I really do. It's kind of, urn... 1507 01:11:35,458 --> 01:11:37,460 more New Yorker style, I guess. 1508 01:11:39,128 --> 01:11:42,348 I think he would be a very pleasant person... 1509 01:11:42,507 --> 01:11:45,511 but I don't know if I could... 1510 01:11:45,676 --> 01:11:47,519 relate to him quite as easily. 1511 01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:50,516 I think he would be a challenge, and I think he'd be somebody... 1512 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,315 that you would find it challenging to consult... 1513 01:11:54,435 --> 01:11:57,985 but I certainly would advise him... 1514 01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:01,826 some of these alternative therapies that he should not do. 1515 01:12:01,943 --> 01:12:04,287 And I think I probably would spend more time... 1516 01:12:04,403 --> 01:12:06,405 just trying to reassure him... 1517 01:12:06,531 --> 01:12:10,206 that this condition does have a fairly good prognosis... 1518 01:12:10,326 --> 01:12:14,001 and that he should've done this earlier rather than later. Mm-hmm. 1519 01:12:14,121 --> 01:12:17,250 So I get back to New York City, sure that I'm gonna have the operation. 1520 01:12:17,375 --> 01:12:19,252 When I get back, I'm not so sure. 1521 01:12:19,377 --> 01:12:21,880 The nurse calls, says I should come in. The doctor wants to see me. 1522 01:12:22,004 --> 01:12:23,881 He's heard I've been to the Philippines. 1523 01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,555 They want to do a kind of preoperative exam. 1524 01:12:26,676 --> 01:12:29,304 I don't have to get the operation. It's my choice, right? 1525 01:12:29,428 --> 01:12:32,022 Also, they say, “Come in on Friday. It's a half day. 1526 01:12:32,139 --> 01:12:34,358 There won't be anyone in the waiting room.” 1527 01:12:34,475 --> 01:12:37,570 So that's a temptation, and I do come in. 1528 01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:40,065 No one's there. I'm getting my pupils dilated. 1529 01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:42,783 I have no book. I'm doing my dilation meditation... 1530 01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:45,949 kind of fuzzing out there, and I look down the corridor... 1531 01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:50,075 and I see this guy backing out of my doctor's office. 1532 01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,543 And he's kind of waving as he's backing up. 1533 01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:55,334 And it's like an old-time movie. It's like a Buster Keaton movie. 1534 01:12:55,454 --> 01:12:58,207 And he turns, and he's walking toward me... 1535 01:12:58,332 --> 01:13:01,381 and I realize he has one of those rubber Nixon masks on... 1536 01:13:01,502 --> 01:13:03,925 the kind you'd buy in a joke shop when Nixon was president. 1537 01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:06,890 And I think, "What's going on here? A robbery?" 1538 01:13:07,008 --> 01:13:09,227 He turns, he's coming toward me, and I realize... 1539 01:13:09,343 --> 01:13:12,096 “Wait a minute. It is Richard Nixon.” 1540 01:13:12,263 --> 01:13:14,391 And he's walking toward me with intent... 1541 01:13:14,515 --> 01:13:16,609 as if he's gonna say, “Hello. 1542 01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:19,771 I saw Swimming to Cambodia, and I loved it.” 1543 01:13:19,896 --> 01:13:23,400 And then I think, “Wait a minute. Maybe his pupils are dilated... 1544 01:13:23,524 --> 01:13:26,243 and he thinks I'm Ralph Lauren.” 1545 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,365 He walks up. I look up. I just say, “Oh, hi,” and he walks out. 1546 01:13:30,489 --> 01:13:32,787 But you know, the strange part is... 1547 01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:35,287 seeing Richard Nixon come out of my doctor's office gave me... 1548 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:38,415 the faith, the hope, and the courage to have that operation. 1549 01:13:39,957 --> 01:13:43,257 I don't' know if I could've done the operation if Renée wasn't' holding my hand. 1550 01:13:43,377 --> 01:13:45,630 - [ Monitor Beeping ] - I was terrified. 1551 01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:49,266 They gave me a local anesthetic, so I could hear everything that was going on. 1552 01:13:49,383 --> 01:13:52,683 The doctors were talking about some party they'd had the night before. 1553 01:13:52,803 --> 01:13:54,976 While they were peeling me, they were talking about a party. 1554 01:13:55,097 --> 01:13:56,815 Very nonchalant. 1555 01:13:56,933 --> 01:13:58,935 The radio was playing rock and roll, I remember- 1556 01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:02,030 Elton John, “Crocodile Rock.” 1557 01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:04,695 When I came to, I had a patch over my left eye. 1558 01:14:04,815 --> 01:14:06,783 And they put a gas bubble in there... 1559 01:14:06,901 --> 01:14:08,903 in my eye, to prevent glaucoma. 1560 01:14:09,028 --> 01:14:10,905 I'm glad I didn't know they were gonna do that. 1561 01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:14,330 Turned out I couldn't raise my head at all, 'cause it would break the bubble. 1562 01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:17,416 Oh, and the doctor gave me a videotape of the operation. 1563 01:14:17,536 --> 01:14:20,460 He titled it Swimming to Macula Pucker. 1564 01:14:20,581 --> 01:14:22,549 Had a sense of humor. 1565 01:14:22,667 --> 01:14:25,796 I get home, I couldn't raise my head. I had to sleep facedown. 1566 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,093 Renée put pillows on either side so I couldn't roll over. 1567 01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:30,512 I had to eat facedown. I had to walk. I remember- 1568 01:14:30,675 --> 01:14:33,144 Oh, I joined the Library for the Blind. I could get books on tape. 1569 01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:35,558 And I remember Renée guiding me up with my head down... 1570 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,729 looking at chewing gum, cigarette butts... 1571 01:14:38,849 --> 01:14:40,851 graffiti, dog shit. 1572 01:14:40,977 --> 01:14:44,572 I get up and rented The Miracle Worker, I remember. 1573 01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:47,317 And when I got back, Renée did this ingenious thing with mirrors... 1574 01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,819 so that I could see the videotape of the operation. 1575 01:14:49,944 --> 01:14:52,868 She arranged mirrors so I could see the monitor. 1576 01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:55,249 And... oh, whoa! 1577 01:14:55,366 --> 01:14:58,870 What a video! I mean, you talk about Philippine psychic surgeons. 1578 01:14:59,036 --> 01:15:02,415 Here's a close-up of my macula. It was magnified, so it looked like Mars. 1579 01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:06,135 It was very yellow, and the veins and capillaries looked like the rivers on Mars. 1580 01:15:06,252 --> 01:15:08,550 And then into the frame you see this little pincer come... 1581 01:15:08,671 --> 01:15:11,800 just like a little crab claw, and begin to pick at the edema. 1582 01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:14,677 And it's coming off the retina like gossamer threads. 1583 01:15:14,802 --> 01:15:17,180 I mean, never touching the retina once. 1584 01:15:17,304 --> 01:15:19,227 Just off and up until we're in whiteout. 1585 01:15:19,390 --> 01:15:21,893 I don't know where we are. Renée's in the bathroom by now. 1586 01:15:22,059 --> 01:15:25,154 And I see stitches the size of ropes... 1587 01:15:25,271 --> 01:15:27,740 and I realize they're sewing up my left eye. 1588 01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:30,076 It's like - whew! - The Andalusian Dog 1589 01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,952 magnified a hundred times. 1590 01:15:32,069 --> 01:15:34,288 I'm just thinking, "This is just a movie. 1591 01:15:34,405 --> 01:15:38,785 That's not my eye. This is just a movie." 1592 01:15:38,909 --> 01:15:41,788 And after 14 days, it was time to have the patch removed. 1593 01:15:41,912 --> 01:15:44,756 Renée and I went to the doctor's office. 1594 01:15:44,915 --> 01:15:48,761 He took the patch off, and basically it was not great. 1595 01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:52,098 It was like looking through the bottom of an empty Coke bottle. 1596 01:15:52,214 --> 01:15:54,808 Real fuzzy. Also, it was a cockeyed feeling... 1597 01:15:54,925 --> 01:15:57,144 like I had this white hair between my eyes... 1598 01:15:57,261 --> 01:16:00,561 that just needed to be brushed, but I couldn't find it to brush. 1599 01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:02,934 And we went out and sat on a park bench in Central Park... 1600 01:16:03,059 --> 01:16:05,858 and I looked across the park, and in the distance I saw... 1601 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:08,481 leaves blowing in the wind, a bunch of children running... 1602 01:16:08,606 --> 01:16:12,782 a red ball rolling, a flock of starlings taking off. 1603 01:16:12,943 --> 01:16:16,288 I covered my right eye. No leaves. 1604 01:16:16,447 --> 01:16:19,121 Blur of children. Blotch of red. 1605 01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:21,160 No birds. 1606 01:16:21,285 --> 01:16:24,289 Covered my left - ah, ecstasy. 1607 01:16:25,664 --> 01:16:27,666 Covered my right - 1608 01:16:27,792 --> 01:16:29,794 despair. 1609 01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:31,671 Ecstasy. 1610 01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:35,178 Despair. 1611 01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:37,472 And I realized at that moment that I was now living... 1612 01:16:37,635 --> 01:16:40,809 the perfect yin-and-yang existence. 1613 01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:44,104 And Renée and I went home, and I ate big fish... 1614 01:16:44,225 --> 01:16:47,570 and I drank a bottle of wine, and I smoked a cigar. 1615 01:16:47,686 --> 01:16:50,064 And I ate and I drank and I smoked... 1616 01:16:50,189 --> 01:16:52,988 everything that could make me blind. 1617 01:16:53,901 --> 01:16:56,370 ♪♪ [ Synthesizer] 144792

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