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Mike Watkiss: Mr. Jeffs,
did you rape those two girls?
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Mr. Jeffs?
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The trial was of Warren Jeffs
was as bizarre
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as anything
I have ever seen
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because, at one point,
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they played the audio.
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Warren Jeffs
had recorded himself
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basically committing
statutory rape
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against one of these
little girls.
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His creepy voice
basically
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grooming her
moments before
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he was about to
sexually assault her.
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It was stunning.
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This little timid voice
responding to him.
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It was probably
a really good thing
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that there were all these
big Texas Rangers
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in that courtroom
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because I think
that jury would've
jumped across the railing
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and killed him
with their bare hands.
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Warren Jeffs:
So anxious for Heavenly
Father's spirit to guide me
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and all of you
can receive the truth.
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Larry King:
Osama bin Laden
and eight other men
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were joined on the
FBI's Most Wanted List
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by Warren Jeffs.
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Reporter 1:
Prophet Warren Jeffs
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is considered one of
the most sinister
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polygamists of his time.
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I think he had 78 wives.
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Reporter 2:
Young girls no more
than 12 or 13 years old.
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My dad is a pedophile.
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I had tried so hard
to protect my children.
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Mike:
I think he's a sociopath.
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Flora Jessop:
He was able to convince
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15,000 people
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that he was
Jesus Christ to them.
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I love him,
I know that he loves me.
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The level of blind obedience
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is staggering.
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Mike:
It is a complete
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church-run state.
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If there were
a Taliban of America,
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I would say this is it.
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Richard Ream:
The church and Warren
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controlled everything.
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Brock Belnap: He's either
the mouthpiece of God
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or the most
evil person on Earth.
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Everybody deserves
to know the truth.
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Woman:
And it will shock the world,
the evidence that comes out.
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Reporter 3:
Mr. Jeffs,
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should your followers
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still consider you
a prophet?
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Warren Jeffs
is a monster.
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( birds chirping )
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Hello, everybody.
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Wonderful to see you.
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- You all fit in.
- ( laughter )
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Rachel:
I remember Father
telling me once,
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"There's two things
a man loves...
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( laughs )
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women and power."
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And he says,
"But they love power more."
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Which position's better?
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Warren:
No, this is fine.
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You don't need to lean over,
that's fine.
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I can see them.
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- Do you see me?
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Flora:
Warren Jeffs was
a special kind of predator.
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He learned how to control
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and manipulate people
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to the point that
they couldn't see
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the real him.
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Warren:
♪ Sweet spirit ♪
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♪ Of prayer ♪
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♪ Sweet spirit of prayer ♪
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Brock:
He has co-opted
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the religious faith
of believers
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and manipulated
and maintained his power
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over them in a way
that satisfies
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whatever personal
pleasure he gets.
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I see him as both
a narcissist
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and a sociopath.
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There is this grandiose
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false sense of self.
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And other people tend to be
kind of objects to him.
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Sam Brower:
There's been people who've
stood in front of trains,
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shot themselves,
poisoned themselves
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because of Warren's
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ability to decimate
their lives.
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The man has blood
on his hands.
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He's as guilty as if he had
put the gun to someone's head
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and pulled the trigger.
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Dowayne Barlow:
This story of Warren Jeffs
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has to be told
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because the values,
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the virtues of good people
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has been marched through
and destroyed.
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Elissa Wall:
A lot of people ask,
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"How did Warren do
what he did?"
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And it stems
to one thing: fear.
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And Warren became a master
at commanding fear.
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Well, thank you,
that was a privilege.
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Mike:
In many ways, Warren Jeffs was
sort of the anointed prince.
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Came from
this prominent family,
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Rulon Jeffs
and Merilyn Steed.
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Winston Blackmore:
Rulon Jeffs, the businessman,
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he was just
focused on his job
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and he was
very well-scriptured,
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and he was a no-nonsense
kind of person,
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and he didn't like jokes,
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and he didn't
laugh at them.
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And, you know, he was just
one of those kind of guys.
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He was really tough.
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I think that he
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lived a life of shutting
the outside world out.
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He had great big
concrete walls around his home
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in Salt Lake.
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By and large,
the Jeffs were reclusive.
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Rachel:
So Grandfather Rulon ended up
marrying a lot of women,
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but they didn't all
live in the same house
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until my father
was 14 years old.
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That's when all the families
came together
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and lived under one roof.
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I know he had
a lot of struggles
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as a family
coming together.
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Warren is
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the son of a polygamist,
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which means you have
a lot of competition
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for your father's affection,
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You have to stand out,
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and Warren wasn't
really remarkable.
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My understanding
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was that Warren Jeffs
was a nerd.
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Smart,
really liked technology,
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but awkward.
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Elissa:
He didn't have
a lot of education
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when it came to sexuality,
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or growing,
or how his body would change.
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Lindsay:
Being raised in a large family,
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you have lots of kids
without adult supervision
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and you have
a lot of access to
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really complicated
situations where
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you have maybe a half-sister
that you weren't raised with
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and all of a sudden,
you're 13 and you see this
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cute girl,
and she's your half-sister,
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but you're not quite sure
what the rules are.
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Sam:
When Warren was a boy,
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all the women and children
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would put paper
over the windows,
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towels under the doors
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because Warren was a voyeur.
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He had learned
how to peek in
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on the girls
changing their clothes.
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Lindsay:
Warren would have been around
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some family members who,
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the rumors are,
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that their families
were known for...
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sexual abuse.
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Ron Rohbock:
My wife has a master's degree
in psychology,
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and she tells me
all the time that
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an individual that
ends up like Warren
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usually has had it done to him
in some way.
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Briell Decker:
There is a lot of
speculation on that
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I don't know how you would
tell that for sure.
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I do believe,
I believe he probably was.
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Elissa:
I believe there was a lot of
unhealthy sexual
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desires and questions
and problems that were swirling
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within that family.
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I think
not having an education
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and maybe being
victimized himself
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really added
onto the fact
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that he turned around
and became a perpetrator.
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Ron:
Warren molested
many of his sisters.
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The three
that I had married,
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he had molested
all three of them.
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Attorney:
Would you tell us
your full name
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and the community
in which you reside?
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Lorraine:
Lorraine Jeffs Johnson.
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Attorney:
"This first couple of times,
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you took me into your room
downstairs..."
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Do you remember
that happening?
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Lorraine:
Yes. ( crying )
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Attorney: "Another time,
taking me into the bathroom
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by the backdoor.
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You took off
your clothes and mine
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and you asked if I wanted
to see what makes babies."
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Do you remember
that happening?
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Lorraine:
Yes.
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Attorney:
Was this again
when you were about 14?
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Lorraine:
It could've even been
in my 15th year.
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I remember thinking,
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"Do all my brothers do this
to all my sisters?
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Was this a common thing?"
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I didn't know,
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I was never taught
one way or the other.
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( tape deck clicks )
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Whatever Warren
was dealing with,
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it seems to me that shame
is a huge element there.
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And I think he tried
to make sense of it.
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And so, he studied
and read Mormon theology,
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spent hours looking
for old Mormon documents,
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trying to reconcile
that shame...
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with God.
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Rachel:
The religious studies
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must've made him feel good.
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It made him feel like
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he was being
a good person.
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And I think
he tried to deny
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what he was becoming.
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Noel:
He was looking for himself
outside himself.
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That probably
limited his own
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real,
deep self-awareness.
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He was blinded
in many ways
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to his own impulses
and thinking
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that later come up and begin
to create problems for him.
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Dowayne:
He felt like that he was
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not accountable at all
to anybody.
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That he was just
accountable to God.
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Then that put this thing
on such a reckless course.
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I think it was
the beginning
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of big trouble.
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Elissa:
In our religion,
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we had a prophet.
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And he was the one man on Earth
who was God to us.
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For many generations,
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any logic or any reasoning
or thinking,
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these were slowly
weeded out,
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all under the name
of religion.
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I look back on it and Warren did
not just appear out of nowhere.
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An entire society
created him.
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They all prepared the pathway
that he came on.
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Mike:
This story started long
before Warren Jeffs
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That community has been
operating, basically,
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in the same fashion
for generations.
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Isaac Jeffs:
Father very much took
inspiration from Joseph Smith.
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He always told us
that he was here
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to continue Joseph Smith's work
in the Earth.
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And I know that he was probably
his role model.
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Lindsay:
The story goes that
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Joseph Smith saw himself
as restoring
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things from Bible.
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Anne Wilde:
Abraham had more than one wife
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and several others
in the Old Testament
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had more than one wife.
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And so that's when the Lord
made known to them
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that it was
a celestial principle
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and that it was something
that they should do.
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Lindsay:
Some Mormons believe that
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if you have three wives,
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you can go
to the lower level
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of the highest
level of Heaven.
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If you have five wives,
you go into the middle level.
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And seven, seven or more,
gets you into
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the highest level
of the celestial kingdom.
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Anne:
Joseph Smith
had about 30, 33 wives.
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Was very controversial,
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even in the early days
of the church.
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Lindsay:
When we have to abandon
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this idea of polygamy,
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there are still
thousands of people
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that are living
this principle.
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What do you do
with those people?
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They don't just,
like, disappear
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because the church
says it's over.
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Anne: Some of
the plural families then
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were going to Mexico
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so that they would
hopefully get away from
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the legal persecution.
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And some of the people went to
what now is called Short Creek.
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Lindsay:
They have to go on this exodus
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into the wilderness.
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Short Creek
is the wilderness.
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They've got big
vermillion cliffs on one side,
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Grand Canyon
on the other side.
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It's the perfect place
to hide out.
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Mike:
They went to isolated places
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so they could continue
what is the most fundamental
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and most important practice
in their lives:
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plural marriage.
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And this
little dusty town
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morphed into the center
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of the practice of polygamy
in America, and certainly
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the most dramatic example of,
in essence,
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a small cult called
the FLDS Church.
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Noel:
The only way that
the fundamentalists
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could hold their religion,
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they had to go into very
isolated places.
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And that's part of the context
for Warren Jeffs.
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Isolation worked for
a long time for this community,
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but it became
extremely difficult
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to maintain.
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( music playing )
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Roger:
In 1953, there was a raid
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with law enforcement coming
from Arizona on one side
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and from Utah
on the other side
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to get this community
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and shut down
plural marriage.
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It was against the law.
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Dowayne:
My father was
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a 15-year-old boy
in the time of the raid.
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And so he saw a lot of
the emotional trauma
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that was involved
in that raid.
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At the time,
Leroy Johnson,
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who was the
Fundamentalist Mormon leader
there in Short Creek,
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his announcement to
the Arizona Law Enforcement is,
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"These sands
will drink our blood
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before we're gonna
give up our principles."
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Dr. Dan Fischer:
After the raid of '53,
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the people were taught
to really live in secret.
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In fact,
my second mother,
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she never came out
of the house in the daylight
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for 11 years.
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They end up having extreme
trust for each other
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and very little trust
for anybody else
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because it was them
against us, basically.
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Brock:
"Life" magazine
published a bunch of pictures.
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The fallout
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was very negative
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about families
being torn apart.
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Roger:
It was a
public relations disaster.
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Arizona and Utah
were burned so badly
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that, for the most part,
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they looked the other way
for years.
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Mike:
The fallout from all of that
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basically inoculated
the FLDS community
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from any outside interference
or involvement
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for decades.
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And in that vacuum,
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I have always argued
that Warren Jeffs
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was a historic
inevitability.
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Flora:
The first time I remember
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interacting
with Warren Jeffs,
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I was maybe
eight or nine.
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And we were
climbing the trees.
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I was sitting up
on a branch
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and he's very tall.
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And he come up and was standing
there talking to us
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looking up at us
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and he's running his hand
up my leg
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underneath my dress.
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Warren Jeffs
was absolutely
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abusing children
from the get-go.
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( film reel clicking )
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Roger:
Soon after Warren Jeffs
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graduated
from high school,
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he became the principal
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of what's called
the "Alta Academy,"
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where the FLDS kids living
in the Salt Lake City area
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went to school.
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And they were taught a
religious curriculum
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and Warren Jeffs
was made the principal
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at age 17 or 18.
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Noel:
His father felt
this was a preparation
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for him for bigger things.
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And Warren took
that opportunity.
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And so a young generation
grew up knowing him
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and seeing him
as their leader.
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Stand up and stretch,
please.
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- ( children clamoring )
- Stretch time.
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Your own strength.
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Flora:
He used the Alta Academy
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and all of the students
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as a means
of perfecting
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his ability
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to control people.
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( music playing )
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Dan:
Warren Jeffs became
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obsessed in trying
to enforce
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such extreme dress codes
and the like.
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Having 'em stand on a chair
to measure
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the length of the hem.
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And so obsessed with
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the color red,
that nobody could wear red.
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He had a craving
for power.
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We learned later
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after getting out of there
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of scary things that he
put those young people through.
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Noel:
You have this incredible power
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and was grooming them
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for his later pleasure.
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Warren:
I trust today
I'm talking to young ladies
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who are more
spiritually minded.
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Ahead of you is the test
of how you will get married.
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Let the Lord reveal
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the man
that you belong to.
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( music playing )
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Lindsay:
He used scriptures
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and doctrine in theology
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to groom his victims.
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And I think that
that was
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more probably for Warren.
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He needed
a scriptural basis
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for doing it.
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What I noticed about him
is that he--
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my older sister was very,
like, favored by him
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a lot,
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but he didn't
ever notice me.
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I mean,
he acted like he didn't.
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But I knew he did.
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He called in six of
my sisters and brothers,
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and skipped me.
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I'm just like,
"Yeah, right."
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You knew that
I was the only one
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you didn't call on.
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There was no way
that you just
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didn't notice me at all,
you know?
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And I knew
it was a tactic.
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Brock:
He knew exactly
what he was doing,
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he preparing
the young brides.
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And, as he rose
in power and prominence,
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he got to pick the ones
that he wanted.
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Sam:
That was like
his training ground,
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he could setup
anybody he wanted to,
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go after
anybody he wanted to,
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and molest
anybody he wanted to.
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And in the meantime,
he's starting to have
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his own family.
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( camera shutter clicking )
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Rachel:
As the principal's daughter,
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Father required us
to be a good example
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to the rest of the children
in the school.
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There was always some kind
of spiritual teaching
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to help us
become better people.
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( music playing )
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As a child,
we had a lot of fun times
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with Father.
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He sang with us a lot.
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Warren:
♪ As a child I learned ♪
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♪ That my mothers need ♪
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Rachel:
He made it a point to
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take time
with his children.
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He was there for us.
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Most of us were
pretty close to him.
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Warren:
♪ A young boy prayed ♪
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♪ And opened up the heavens ♪
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Roy Jeffs:
There was a lot of
the wives having children,
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and so there
was always babies.
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And we'd have a line of five
or six high chairs at least.
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It was very lively.
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I would give anything now
to just spend a day with my mom
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weeding a flower bed.
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Most of my memories here
are actually quite fond.
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Rachel:
There was a wonderful,
fun, religious
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yearning-for-us-to-be-good
-people side of him.
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And yet,
I also got to experience
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that he had a weakness.
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I was at eight years old
when he started his abuse.
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It was like...
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he was just
two different people.
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He had taken me
in one of the bathrooms
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and he had said...
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he had said,
"Don't ever do this."
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He was trying to teach me
to never touch myself.
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And then, at that point,
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I can't clearly remember
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if he exposed himself
to me
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or if he touched me.
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I just remember there was
some sexual contact
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and I was so confused.
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Rachel:
I knew as a child
that he was doing wrong.
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And he also would tell me
he was doing wrong.
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It was like
he couldn't help himself.
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I don't think he wanted
to be that way, but he was.
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'Cause most of the time,
I mean,
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I would always just think,
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"Oh, Father won't
be like that anymore."
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But then it would
happen again.
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( music playing )
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Roy:
From a young age,
they teach, you know, the boys
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that we're supposed to
grow up and be men.
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Women are inferior
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so we can't
confess to women,
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so I couldn't talk
to my mom about it.
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I never thought that it was
anybody's fault but my own.
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It was always my fault...
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in my mind.
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Rachel:
Everybody felt like
he was a very good person.
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He was very good
with his words and teaching,
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and explaining the gospel.
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His abusive side was
so hidden from the church
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and the world.
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And that's why
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being a victim
of his abuse,
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I knew that nobody would
believe me if I ever told 'em
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that he was doing that.
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He played his part as a father
very well and then...
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not as an abuser--
I mean, he played his part well
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as an abuser too,
I should say, but...
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yeah, there was
two sides to him.
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( music playing )
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Warren: ( over recording )
We come to third Nephi,
chapter 12 now,
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where the Lord himself
appeared and gave
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the sinners the law,
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the keep sweet training.
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And you will see
we have always been taught
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to keep sweet.
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Roger:
The phrase "keep sweet"
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was a phrase introduced
by Rulon Jeffs,
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Warren Jeffs' father.
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"Keep sweet no matter what"
means...
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always have a smile
on your face.
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Flora:
It's the polygamy mask.
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You show to the outside world
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the happy face.
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And if you don't,
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you're isolated,
you're shunned,
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you are locked up.
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You name it, you get it.
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Keep sweet mask.
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Look at the eyes, though.
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Because the eyes will always
tell you the truth.
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Reporter 4:
It is a community
that has been frozen in time.
520
00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:52,820
They are fundamentalist
Mormons,
521
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:55,150
excommunicated from
the larger Mormon church
522
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:58,420
because they continue
to practice polygamy.
523
00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:00,990
( music playing )
524
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,230
Ron:
After LeRoy Johnson died,
525
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:12,040
there was a dispute as to
who actually the key holder,
526
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:14,510
meaning the prophet.
527
00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:17,180
It was supposed to be
that God came to the people
528
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:18,740
and told them.
529
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:20,750
Well, that never happened.
530
00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:24,980
Flora:
Rulon Jeffs was
LeRoy Johnson's accountant.
531
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:28,590
He saw an opportunity
to grasp the mantle.
532
00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:31,390
He grabbed it with both hands
and ran with it.
533
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:34,860
Anne:
When Rulon Jeffs
came into power,
534
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,830
he became
much more controlling
535
00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,000
and so the people
accepted that
536
00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:40,600
because that was their role,
537
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,470
they thought that was
the role of a prophet.
538
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:46,570
Mike:
The prophet
controls every aspect
539
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:48,970
of life in Short Creek.
540
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,710
He controls the land.
541
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,550
He controls what you do.
542
00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:57,780
He controls,
543
00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:59,750
certainly,
who you wed with.
544
00:25:59,790 --> 00:26:03,220
Ruby Jessop:
When Rulon Jeffs
was the prophet,
545
00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:05,920
my step-father called me
into his office
546
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,400
and told me, it was time
for me to be married.
547
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:14,030
I was just a child.
548
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:19,070
We drove
to Caliente, Nevada.
549
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,880
They had a hotel there.
550
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:31,550
They took us into this room
551
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:34,450
and they said, "We're only
gonna do one at a time,"
552
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:39,490
so the other two of us had to
go sit out in the waiting room.
553
00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:41,830
I was just scared.
554
00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:45,630
( sighs )
My sister went next.
555
00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:49,370
And I was the last one
to go in and be married.
556
00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:55,970
I was married at 14
to my step-brother.
557
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:59,980
But you didn't wanna
disappoint the prophet.
558
00:27:00,010 --> 00:27:02,510
( music playing )
559
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:07,150
Sam:
Warren's behavior,
560
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:08,850
in my opinion,
561
00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:10,460
is learned behavior.
562
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:14,260
The mechanics
of what he was able to do
563
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:18,730
were mimicked
from his father.
564
00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:23,840
Tommy Steed:
I remember my brother
and my sister and my mom
565
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:25,270
would go visit Rulon
566
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:27,310
once a year.
567
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,710
He would sit
behind his desk
568
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:33,880
with "Keep Sweet" engraved
on the bottom of his shoe soles
569
00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:35,880
so that we could see.
570
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,650
Warren in every one
of these meetings,
571
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:40,850
was always sitting
right to the side of Rulon
572
00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:42,290
with his little notepad.
573
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,330
Warren took
very meticulous notes.
574
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,130
At the time, it was a
protective, favorite son
575
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,870
looking out
for the interests of his dad.
576
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:54,670
Looking back now,
577
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:56,700
I see it
for what it really was.
578
00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:01,710
Noel:
The prophet's the most
important person on the planet.
579
00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:03,810
And you might be
the next person
580
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,850
who's gonna be that
most special person.
581
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,680
That's a pretty
hard thing not to
582
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,250
buy into,
it feels very important.
583
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:14,990
Ron:
Warren was taking more control.
584
00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:17,020
He was trying
to keep it hidden
585
00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:18,990
as much as
he possibly could,
586
00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:21,490
but, yes, he was taking more
and more control.
587
00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:23,000
( tape deck clicks )
588
00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:25,660
Warren:
Obey the prophet when he speaks
589
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:27,900
and you'll be blessed.
590
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:29,800
Disobey him,
591
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,370
it is death.
592
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,420
Ron:
Rulon had had three strokes,
593
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:45,420
two of those strokes
594
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:47,090
made him less able
595
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,460
to control his speech,
his ability to
596
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:52,090
run the church.
597
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:53,430
Richard:
They had to walk him in
598
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:55,630
with assistance.
599
00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:57,230
If you were sitting
close enough
600
00:28:57,260 --> 00:29:00,630
to the front row
of the congregational seating,
601
00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:03,270
you could actually tell
that the man
602
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,040
was essentially
an empty shell.
603
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:08,940
Brock:
As his father became more ill,
604
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:10,710
Warren was in
a position where
605
00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:12,710
Warren's control increased.
606
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:15,310
There was actually kind of a
vacuum that was
607
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:17,150
there for Warren
to step into
608
00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:18,580
and exert
his authority through.
609
00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:20,820
Sam:
Warren would put a microphone
610
00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,390
on a lanyard
around his father's neck
611
00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:26,960
and then ask his father
to speak in church.
612
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:31,160
Rulon would just stand there
for five, ten minutes
613
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,660
and not say a word.
614
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,800
That was Warren
setting himself up.
615
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,070
Ruby:
He would say
616
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,710
maybe one sentence.
617
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:44,540
"Listen to Warren
speak my words.
618
00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:47,210
Warren is my mouthpiece."
619
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,220
( music playing )
620
00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:01,960
Dowayne:
It was a big day.
621
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,530
It was a really big day.
622
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,600
It changed the landscape
of that community.
623
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:08,600
It changed the whole landscape
of the whole...
624
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,340
effort there.
625
00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:13,470
Mike:
And you saw this
extraordinary turnout
626
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:14,870
for the funeral
627
00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:17,980
of Rulon Jeffs.
628
00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:20,610
5,000 plus people assembling.
629
00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:23,120
on the overcast day.
630
00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:27,990
Don Barlow:
Time will tell
if there is going to be
631
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:32,490
another leader
like President Jeffs.
632
00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:35,860
Winston:
It was interesting to see.
633
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:37,860
Most all of the speakers
were trying to proclaim
634
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:39,230
who the new leader was.
635
00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:41,830
A funeral is not
the time and place
636
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:43,640
to do anything like that.
637
00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:45,170
( music playing )
638
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:46,640
Sam:
After his father died,
639
00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:49,880
Warren would
stand up in meetings.
640
00:30:49,910 --> 00:30:52,740
For five minutes, he'd act like
he was standing there
listening,
641
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:54,010
and then he'd say
642
00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:55,880
what his father
had been telling him
643
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,350
from the other side.
644
00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:01,490
Ron:
He started telling people that
645
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,820
his father is talking to him
646
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:07,960
and telling him to take
so and so for wife.
647
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,700
Roy:
One day, we got up
648
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:19,070
and there was like seven
of my grandpa's wives
649
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,610
standing right
down the hall,
650
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,770
outside of my dad's door.
651
00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:24,880
Then he walked
them upstairs
652
00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:26,350
and introduced them
to the whole--
653
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:27,580
he says,
"These are my wives."
654
00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:30,350
Sam:
He married 20 wives
655
00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:32,280
from his father.
656
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,690
It was Warren saying,
"I'm the boss,
657
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,190
I can do whatever I want,
658
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:38,890
and nobody better dare
say a word about it."
659
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:41,890
Dowayne:
It was not
a traditional situation
660
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:44,630
for Warren to have
those women marry him.
661
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:47,300
So the alarm bells
were going off.
662
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:48,870
( tape deck clicks )
663
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,540
Isaac Jeffs:
I know Father's spirit
664
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:52,770
and I know it is
in Uncle Warren.
665
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:54,370
I do not question it.
666
00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:55,810
Roy:
He had one of his brothers,
667
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,810
Isaac Jeffs
bare their testimony
668
00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:01,150
about how
they had witnessed
669
00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:05,380
Grandfather name my dad
as the next prophet.
670
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:09,220
Isaac:
Warren is going to be
the next leader of this people.
671
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:12,820
And he said that
over and over again.
672
00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:14,290
Roy:
That's kind of
when it became known
673
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:15,490
to the rest of the people
674
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:16,900
that he was
the next prophet.
675
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:20,630
Mike:
This guy is a conniving rat
676
00:32:20,670 --> 00:32:22,500
who seized power.
677
00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:25,500
Nobody was powerful
enough to stand up to him.
678
00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:27,710
Warren Jeffs
was the prophet.
679
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:29,910
The coup was complete.
680
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,120
it's not really quoted
in any religious book.
681
00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:42,820
It goes along the lines that,
682
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:45,060
"When a righteous king rules,
683
00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:47,230
the people rejoice.
684
00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,860
When a wicked king rules,
685
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:51,400
they mourn."
686
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:53,930
( music playing )
687
00:32:57,870 --> 00:32:59,970
Elissa:
At this point
within the FLDS,
688
00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:02,070
the stakes were
incredibly high.
689
00:33:02,110 --> 00:33:04,240
A lot of times
in Warren's preaching,
690
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,010
he would bring the fact that
the world was coming to an end
691
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:09,850
and that we were
preparing for that end.
692
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,850
Mike: To run a cult,
you have to keep your
cult followers always in fear
693
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:17,860
of the outside world
and the impending doom.
694
00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:20,090
"The end is coming,
and get your house in line
695
00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:21,990
and show how faithful
you are to me
696
00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:23,630
and do everything
I tell you."
697
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:26,500
And that's what
buys obedience.
698
00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:33,110
Rachel:
I feel like, at first,
699
00:33:33,140 --> 00:33:36,510
Father didn't really
feel like he was worthy.
700
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:38,840
But when everybody
turned to him,
701
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,680
I think he suddenly
wanted it.
702
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:44,250
And then I think he just started
wanting it more and more.
703
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,190
Winston: Warren was enjoying
the attention that
he was getting.
704
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,190
You could tell.
705
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:53,260
You know, he soon put on
his father's shoes
706
00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:55,060
that had "Keep Sweet"
on the bottom of 'em.
707
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,200
Noel:
I think what we see
708
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:59,560
is a great deal
of narcissism.
709
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,370
Narcissism is a trait
in which
710
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:09,070
a person develops a grandiose
false sense of self.
711
00:34:09,110 --> 00:34:11,980
One doesn't have to acknowledge
one's weaknesses,
712
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:13,580
one always is
above all of that.
713
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,150
Mike:
Warren was always
714
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:23,790
behind big walls
715
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:25,120
and gated mansions,
716
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,930
protected by bodyguards.
717
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,160
He was always secretive.
718
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Briell:
He's very manipulative, like,
719
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:34,470
in every way.
720
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:35,770
He wants to show
he's humble,
721
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,570
but yet he has
this gigantic house.
722
00:34:39,170 --> 00:34:40,570
He wanted people to think
723
00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:42,710
the Lord just
gave him everything.
724
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:57,020
Roy:
We lived off the church,
we didn't work.
725
00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:00,760
We lived off of tithing...
726
00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:02,660
and contributions
to the church.
727
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,200
( music playing )
728
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:09,800
Sam:
At first it was give
their 10%,
729
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,970
but then Warren commanded
another $500
730
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:14,940
on top of that.
731
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,710
And that 500 jumped
to about a 1,000.
732
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:20,350
Then that 1,000
jumped to 2,000.
733
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:23,050
Then it gets to the point
where Warren wants it all
734
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,650
and he'll distribute
your just wants and needs
735
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:30,020
Richard:
I don't think
he gave two ( bleep ).
736
00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:32,120
What did the man
really want?
737
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,030
He was lustful for greed,
738
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:35,790
the greed of money
and the greed of power
739
00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:38,130
and more and more
and more.
740
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,730
Mike:
At one point, they bankrupted
the school district,
741
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:42,400
pulled all their kids
out of school,
742
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,800
but continued to loot
the school district,
743
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,170
bought themselves
an airplane.
744
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,180
Sam:
Talking to people
745
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:58,080
and getting people's feelings
that were around at that time,
746
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,420
he becomes
more cloak and dagger-ish,
747
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,920
he becomes, like,
more paranoid.
748
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,460
( music playing )
749
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:12,860
Sean Keveney:
There are cameras
all over town.
750
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,270
People are constantly
under surveillance
751
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,370
and there's
a direct link between
752
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,870
church security
753
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:20,670
and the Marshal's office.
754
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:21,840
Mike:
The cops up the there,
755
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,240
the sworn police officers,
756
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,940
their allegiance has always been
to protecting Warren.
757
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:28,280
We believe
in plural marriage.
758
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,980
Are you a polygamist?
759
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:31,820
I'm not gonna answer that,
it's none of your business.
760
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:41,260
Winston:
I think Warren enjoyed
761
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,030
that cat and mouse game.
762
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,600
He enjoyed knowing what people
were doing without them knowing.
763
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,370
He enjoyed
recording people.
764
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,870
He enjoyed
spying on folks.
765
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:54,370
He showed me once
the security command post
766
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:57,880
that had
every room monitored,
767
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:58,880
including the guest house.
768
00:36:58,910 --> 00:37:00,950
that I was staying in.
769
00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:03,920
And I never went back.
( chuckles )
770
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:08,790
Briell:
There was cameras.
771
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:10,120
There definitely was.
772
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,720
I didn't know that
at the time,
773
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,960
but there was
definitely cameras.
774
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:14,930
It was all about himself,
775
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,130
what he could experience,
776
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,230
what he could control.
777
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:21,230
Noel:
Warren Jeffs could do
whatever he wants.
778
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,400
He was viewed as a prophet
with a prophetic gift,
779
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,100
he was inspired by God,
780
00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:28,410
so what he said
had the authority of God.
781
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Sam:
He even has wives taking notes
782
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,350
of things that he says
and does
783
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,180
when he's sleeping.
784
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:40,790
And comes up with these crazy,
grandiose revelations.
785
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:46,790
Brock:
The problem with that
is that Warren
786
00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:49,690
can have a revelation
saying that,
787
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:52,030
based on a bad dream,
that somebody was evil.
788
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,130
And even though
it's not true,
789
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:55,830
that person is exiled
from the community
790
00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:58,440
and cut off from all their
family and friends.
791
00:37:58,470 --> 00:38:01,810
Dowayne:
He picked out men
that had large families
792
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,340
men that had stature
in the community.
793
00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:08,750
He particularly picked them out
and destroyed them.
794
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:11,980
He didn't waste any time
to take care of me.
795
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:18,860
Warren called me up
and he asked me
796
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:20,730
if I could bring
all my wives
797
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,830
and meet with him
at his father's home.
798
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:25,700
That afternoon I says, "Sure."
799
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:26,970
He says,
"How soon can you be here?"
800
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:31,170
He put me on
one side of the hall,
801
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,740
my ladies on the other side
802
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:34,210
and then he handed me
803
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,010
my revelation that he,
supposedly, had had
804
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,980
from God and he said
805
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:43,350
I had plotted
with other brethren
806
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:46,680
to take Rulon's life.
807
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,890
That I was proud
and aspiring
808
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,820
and he says, "Do you have
any questions there?"
809
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:54,230
And I looked at him
and I says,
810
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:56,590
"So, if I say
right here and now
811
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:58,230
that I'm guilty
of all these things,
812
00:38:58,270 --> 00:39:02,030
that... that's all
I need to do?"
813
00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:04,700
He just laughed at me
and said, "No."
814
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:08,010
And then he sent me home
and told me gather up my stuff
815
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,440
and leave.
816
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,410
Sam:
That's Warren's style;
817
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:13,210
kick somebody out,
discredit them,
818
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:14,880
anything they say
is a lie,
819
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,450
and accuse them
of whatever you want.
820
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,880
Ron:
All my wives,
821
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,420
they were told
to not communicate
822
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:22,290
with the children
about me.
823
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,120
They were not to talk about me
in any way, shape, or form.
824
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,590
I shed a lot of tears,
825
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:30,860
I had lost a lot of people
that I was very close to
826
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,300
and that I loved.
827
00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:34,070
I started all over again.
828
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,440
Lindsay:
Instead of seeing him
as a villain,
829
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:40,070
I think Warren saw himself
as an underestimated,
830
00:39:40,110 --> 00:39:41,140
underappreciated man.
831
00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,880
And I think
in so many ways,
832
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:45,480
he proved everybody wrong.
833
00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:52,080
Mike:
Ruth, how old were you
when you got married?
834
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,950
- 16.
- 16 years old.
835
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:58,820
How old were you when you became
pregnant with your first child?
836
00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:00,460
- 16.
- 16.
837
00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:02,530
( music playing )
838
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,660
And this was
an arranged marriage
839
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:05,960
by the religious leaders
of that town?
840
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,470
Yes.
841
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,100
There are really
a handful of stories
842
00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:11,200
that changed
the course of history
843
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,900
in this saga.
844
00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:17,440
And the day that Ruth Stubbs
fled Colorado City
845
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,010
was one of 'em.
846
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:22,350
Turns out the man
she was forced to marry
847
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:24,980
was a cop,
a sworn police officer
848
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:27,690
in Colorado City
named Rodney Holm.
849
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,020
My name is Mike Watkiss.
850
00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:32,690
- I'm a reporter
here in Phoenix.
- I know who you are, sir.
851
00:40:32,730 --> 00:40:36,660
My understanding
that you have teenage brides
852
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,000
and perhaps impregnated
this young woman
853
00:40:40,030 --> 00:40:41,630
when it would be
a statutory rape.
854
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:45,400
We don't have anything to say
except to the court.
855
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,140
Mike:
Suddenly with Ruth
856
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:48,870
and Rod Holm,
857
00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:50,640
we had a story
that the outside world
858
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,880
couldn't ignore.
859
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:54,850
Leave the girls
that are underage alone.
860
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,550
Don't marry underage girls.
861
00:40:56,580 --> 00:41:00,080
Mike:
Teenage girl,
statutory rape victim,
862
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,190
a police officer
863
00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:05,320
and Warren's fingerprints
were all over this.
864
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,730
Warren is the one
that performed the marriage.
865
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,430
Mike:
Warren Jeffs performed
your marriage
866
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:11,000
- to Rodney Holm?
- Yes.
867
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:13,030
Mike:
You're 16 years of age
868
00:41:13,070 --> 00:41:15,100
and he marries you
to a 32-year-old man
869
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,200
that he knows
already has two wives?
870
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,940
- Ruth: Yes.
- Mike: Utah
871
00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:20,570
took Rod Holm to court,
872
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:22,710
found him guilty
of these crimes
873
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:24,510
that had been
going on forever.
874
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:26,910
Soon as Rod Holm
got sentenced,
875
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:29,380
I think Warren
rightfully predicted,
876
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,450
"If they can come after
a polygamous cop
877
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,520
because of a marriage
I arranged,
878
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:37,090
it's only a matter of time
before they start
coming after me.
879
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Ruth:
I think he's an evil man.
880
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,060
I don't any man of God
881
00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:42,790
would destroy people's lives,
882
00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:44,100
and take families away
883
00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:45,860
and marry them
to other men...
884
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:47,030
like he's doing.
885
00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:48,700
So he knew
he was in for it.
886
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:51,240
( music playing )
887
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:55,470
Sam:
At that point in time,
888
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:57,980
there were
no charges against Warren.
889
00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:00,240
But he's just kind of
letting the people know
890
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,480
that he needs to be
in the background,
891
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,580
he needs to be hiding,
he needs to be on the run.
892
00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:10,220
He's going to
the outside world
893
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:12,460
on the premise that
God is having him
894
00:42:12,490 --> 00:42:14,830
go witness the evils
of the world.
895
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,010
We thought it was
for a really righteous reason
896
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,240
because he made it
sound like it was.
897
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,610
But, at the same time,
he wanted to have some fun
898
00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:33,950
that he never had had.
899
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:35,950
Sam:
He went to Disneyland,
900
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:38,320
went to the beaches
in Florida.
901
00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:39,780
He's going to Mardi Gras
902
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:42,150
and going to strip clubs.
903
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:44,520
Lindsay:
Becoming a prophet for Warren
904
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,630
probably offers him, you know,
absolution to things.
905
00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:52,960
You don't have to be responsible
for your own sins if it's God.
906
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,830
If it's God
telling you to do it,
907
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:57,440
then you don't have to be
accountable for that.
908
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:59,300
Noel:
Narcissists break rules
a great deal,
909
00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:02,370
but they do it because
they feel that they're important
910
00:43:02,410 --> 00:43:04,710
and special and nobody else
is nearly important,
911
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:06,980
so I think Warren Jeffs,
912
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:08,880
a sense of
"Anything goes
913
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,550
because I am
the authority,
914
00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:12,080
I'm special,
915
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,750
that's a big part
of what we see.
916
00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:22,190
Mike:
The state of Arizona
917
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:26,230
was the first to file charges
against him.
918
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:27,830
So Warren sent
his lieutenants out
919
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:29,400
to start buying up
these compounds
920
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,140
all over
the United States
921
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:34,370
because, suddenly, it was too
hot in Utah and Arizona.
922
00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:38,110
( music playing )
923
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,850
Sam:
Warren begins going around
the country,
924
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,820
establishing these
925
00:43:43,850 --> 00:43:45,280
places of refuge.
926
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,890
Sean:
The church had three
927
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,490
primary places of refuge.
928
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:56,830
There was a compound
in Pringle, South Dakota,
929
00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:58,830
Mancos, Colorado.
930
00:43:58,870 --> 00:44:01,900
There was also
a ranch in Texas.
931
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:03,500
The church then also used
932
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,940
an extensive network
of rented safe homes
933
00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:08,840
and trailers to move
934
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,080
church leaders
and underage girls
935
00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:12,340
around the country.
936
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280
Dowayne:
People in Short Creek,
937
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,280
we did not know
that Texas existed,
938
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,520
we didn't know
Colorado existed,
939
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:23,690
we did not know
that his settlement up in
940
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,360
South Dakota existed,
941
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,530
it was such
a shroud of secrecy.
942
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,730
Sam:
Warren had everybody
in Short Creek
943
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,260
run up their credit cards
944
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:33,970
and borrow money
in bank accounts
945
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,370
and give everything
they have to him,
946
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800
which was used
to help build
947
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,810
these other
places of refuge.
948
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,370
Dowayne:
There was a tremendous amount
of money being funneled to him.
949
00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:45,380
Vehicles, cash, lands.
950
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:47,110
I had a home
that was completely finished
951
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:48,550
and got a call
952
00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:50,250
from Warren Jeffs
to give it up
953
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,320
and move to another place.
954
00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:56,090
I moved to circumstances
that were far less
955
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,120
than what I had.
956
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,660
We just determined,
957
00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:00,960
we're not gonna
tie our heart strings
958
00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:02,630
to these physical things.
959
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:05,260
What the hell did he care
if they lost their homes,
960
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:06,460
their lands,
their birthrights?
961
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:07,730
But it's okay
962
00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:09,470
because Warren
said to do it
963
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,270
and he's the prophet.
964
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:12,970
Dowayne:
It began to be
965
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:14,940
the sand moving
underneath our feet.
966
00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:19,280
Warren put the people
on unsettled dirt.
967
00:45:19,310 --> 00:45:20,980
Roy:
During that time,
968
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:24,580
I was, you know, kind of
in hiding off and on.
969
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:25,980
My dad
970
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:27,350
kept saying,
"You know, they're after us,
971
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:28,950
they're trying to find you
972
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:31,590
so they can hurt me,"
is what he would tell us.
973
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:34,160
And so we didn't
so much as open the blinds
974
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:35,460
for like a month.
975
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,930
Primarily,
I was by myself
976
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:41,530
in a camp trailer,
just nobody around,
977
00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:43,370
just desolate.
978
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,940
That was kind of
my first experience of just
979
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:48,210
brutal isolation.
980
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,440
I moved down to Texas
981
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,280
and we hardly ever
got to see Father
982
00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:55,150
because he was always runnin'
from the law.
983
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,380
Sometimes he was there
for a week,
984
00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:00,620
sometimes a month,
sometimes one day,
985
00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:03,490
and then he was gone
and we didn't know where he was.
986
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,790
But, even when he was runnin'
from the law,
987
00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:09,660
he still governed
the whole system.
988
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,960
He told us to get seven
years-worth of grain.
989
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
He had the temple built
during that time.
990
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:21,970
Father said Heavenly Father
told him that
991
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:24,740
the people would be driven
out of Short Creek
992
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:26,980
and he wanted a place
for the people
993
00:46:27,010 --> 00:46:29,250
to be able to go to
that were pure in heart.
994
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,420
Sam:
FLDS have long said that
995
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:34,820
they're living a higher order
and they don't have need
996
00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:37,490
for temples.
997
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,990
I started seeing that
foundation going and...
998
00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:41,590
that kind of signaled
999
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:44,230
he was preparing
for the end of the world.
1000
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:45,730
And what that meant
1001
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:49,370
to somebody as deviant
and twisted as Warren,
1002
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,900
could be anything,
and that's what bothered me.
1003
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:57,110
I didn't know if Warren was
planning another Jonestown,
1004
00:46:57,140 --> 00:46:58,610
if he was gonna be
passing out Kool-Aid,
1005
00:46:58,650 --> 00:46:59,680
if he was gonna have
1006
00:46:59,710 --> 00:47:01,610
all these men gather there
1007
00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:02,910
and go out
in a blaze of glory.
1008
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:06,150
He was essentially saying,
1009
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:09,120
This is where
we're making our stand."
1010
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:25,400
Mike:
( At that point,)
1011
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,310
Warren was definitely
a man on the run, a fugitive.
1012
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:31,740
And the community
was bending over backwards
1013
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:33,740
to do everything
they could to sustain him,
1014
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:35,680
to communicate with him
on the road,
1015
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,280
to allow him to know that
1016
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,780
they completely
loved him.
1017
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:40,580
I'm Gary Tuchman with CNN.
1018
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,020
I just wanted
to check with you,
1019
00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,790
do you have any idea
where Warren Jeffs is?
1020
00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:45,220
Any idea at all?
1021
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:48,360
Do you know where
Warren Jeffs is?
1022
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,870
What do you think of him?
1023
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:04,840
Sam:
I'm actively looking for Warren
at the time.
1024
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,880
And sometimes I feel like
I'm getting close,
1025
00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:08,780
and other times
I just, you know,
I don't know where he's at
1026
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:09,780
or what's going on.
1027
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:11,820
'Course, I don't know
1028
00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:14,390
the depth
of his depravity.
1029
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:15,650
Roy:
Every...
1030
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:17,360
few months, I guess,
1031
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:19,520
he would come home
with another 16-year-old.
1032
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,730
He would page over
the intercom,
1033
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,330
he would say,
1034
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,560
"Everybody come down
to the dining room,
1035
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,400
meet a new family member."
1036
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,670
So we'd all come down
1037
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,540
and, you know, say hi.
1038
00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:35,810
I think the youngest
he went was 11,
1039
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
going on 12.
1040
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:41,510
Rachel:
I read a little entry he wrote
1041
00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:44,350
in his journal about...
1042
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:46,550
his young,
underage wives.
1043
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:51,020
He said, "The Lord wants me
to take these wives
1044
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:53,060
at a young age
to teach and train them
1045
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:56,090
and guide them
through boy troubles."
1046
00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:57,330
And then he wrote,
1047
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,430
"I will just be
their boy trouble."
1048
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,340
Alyshia Blackmore:
He was very kind to me.
1049
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:10,710
I mean, he took special
interest in me, I felt like.
1050
00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:13,980
I was only
five years old and...
1051
00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:16,650
I liked him,
I liked him a lot.
1052
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:24,190
My two older sisters
were married to him.
1053
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:27,760
He told me that I was a very
special spirit
1054
00:49:27,790 --> 00:49:31,100
and that the devil
was seeking to take my life.
1055
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:32,900
And I didn't
understand that.
1056
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:40,640
I believed in God
and in...
1057
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:43,210
very much
a spiritual side of life.
1058
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,640
And I wanted to be saved.
1059
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,110
But being so young,
I could hardly wrap my mind
1060
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:49,550
around it all.
1061
00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:50,950
Right after
we got married,
1062
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:52,820
then we were automatically
in hiding.
1063
00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:56,790
We didn't go outside a lot.
1064
00:49:56,820 --> 00:50:01,130
We were mostly just supposed
to stay in the house
and not be seen.
1065
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,560
In my mind,
1066
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,330
I was trying to prove worthy
of this greater blessing.
1067
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:08,770
All the children,
1068
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,970
and they, you know,
immediately
1069
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,440
started
calling me Mother,
1070
00:50:11,470 --> 00:50:13,640
and that was
very different to me.
1071
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:17,070
( chuckles )
Most the children were older me.
1072
00:50:17,110 --> 00:50:20,340
But I got used to it.
1073
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:22,080
I definitely
wanted to be a mom.
1074
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,080
At the same time,
1075
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,250
I really wanted to be a kid
1076
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,280
while I was a kid.
1077
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,120
( laughter )
1078
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:29,320
I mean,
I just really did,
1079
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,090
I never let go of that.
1080
00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:33,890
( laughter )
1081
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,800
On the outside,
I was a very happy person.
1082
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,760
This is
the hairspray commercial.
1083
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,370
But, to not have
any contact
1084
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,700
with former
family and friends,
1085
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:49,470
that kind of felt like I just
fell off the edge of the world
1086
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:52,280
and, so I basically
just buried my feelings
1087
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:54,040
and... lived.
1088
00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:05,460
Mike:
Warren became the Caligula
1089
00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:07,730
of the court of polygamy.
1090
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Bad practices
got more perverted.
1091
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:14,300
And younger girls got forced
into these marriages,
1092
00:51:14,330 --> 00:51:15,300
And boys
1093
00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:16,900
were cast aside.
1094
00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:20,200
( music playing )
1095
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,810
Dan:
Like any other society,
there will be
1096
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,910
one half
boy babies born
1097
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:26,380
and one half
girl babies born.
1098
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:27,980
It means that
1099
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:31,080
a whole lot of males
are never gonna get married.
1100
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,080
How are they going to continue
this practice of plurality
1101
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,350
of wives forever
if they don't thin the herd?
1102
00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:40,260
I mean,
the math doesn't work.
1103
00:51:40,290 --> 00:51:41,830
Mike:
You've gotta get rid of
1104
00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:44,260
a lot of the young men.
1105
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,560
And Warren established
a very effective
1106
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,700
social architecture to deal
with getting rid of the boys.
1107
00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:57,340
Roger:
You can imagine
how much pressure
1108
00:51:57,380 --> 00:52:01,550
is on a parent...
1109
00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:03,580
to take their son
1110
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,580
and drive them
50 miles away,
1111
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:07,920
and drop them off and say
1112
00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:10,690
"You are never to
contact us again."
1113
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,120
And they did that,
1114
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,060
over and over
and over again.
1115
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,030
Newscaster:
Rich was expelled
from the community
1116
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:21,300
when he was 20 years old.
1117
00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:23,030
Richard:
I had no driver's license,
1118
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:24,740
no real life skills,
1119
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:26,740
they're not old enough
to be lawfully employed.
1120
00:52:26,770 --> 00:52:30,370
Add to that the fear
that everyone
1121
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:32,040
out there
that wasn't from home,
1122
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,310
that wasn't part
of your church
1123
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:35,480
was going to do something
1124
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:38,050
intentionally to harm you.
1125
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Who do you
go to for help?
1126
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:43,790
Tommy:
My mom,
1127
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:45,960
she had...
1128
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:47,990
a history of being
a little bit rebellious.
1129
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:51,630
So I was never really,
truly openly accepted
1130
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:53,430
by Warren Jeffs.
1131
00:52:53,470 --> 00:52:55,600
One of my uncles,
1132
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,400
he had arranged a meeting
with me and Warren
1133
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,100
at the print shop.
1134
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,270
That's when Warren told me
1135
00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:03,570
I wasn't welcome to church.
1136
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:06,440
and... that was it, out.
1137
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,810
After I stood up to leave,
1138
00:53:09,850 --> 00:53:12,820
he just casually
let me know that
1139
00:53:12,850 --> 00:53:15,320
I wouldn't be
allowed into Heaven.
1140
00:53:15,350 --> 00:53:19,320
That was probably
the darkest day of my life
1141
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,890
considering
I believed him,
1142
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:24,030
I was convinced
I was going to Hell.
1143
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:29,930
I got in my little,
crappy pickup truck
1144
00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:31,540
and I...
1145
00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:36,470
got out of that town
as fast as I could.
1146
00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:37,940
I didn't know where to go.
1147
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:39,880
I had nothing.
1148
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:43,850
The world outside
is against me and...
1149
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,080
the only thing
that I knew
1150
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,720
I was cut off from.
1151
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:55,730
It was only another couple
months after I was kicked out
1152
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,560
that I started seeing
this wave after wave
1153
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,200
of other boys,
1154
00:54:01,230 --> 00:54:03,870
just showing up.
1155
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:08,410
Dan:
It went from what was called
a wave in the late '90s
1156
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,910
to what became a flood
there for awhile.
1157
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:13,910
I knew that something
had to be done.
1158
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:16,510
Roger:
Dan Fischer was born and raised
1159
00:54:16,550 --> 00:54:18,320
in the FLDS community,
1160
00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:21,820
had three wives,
and ended up leaving.
1161
00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:22,920
He and his wife
1162
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,660
had done tremendous things
1163
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:29,290
to help people who had been
kicked out of the FLDS.
1164
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:34,230
Dan:
We went public
on the steps of the Capitol.
1165
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:37,200
with some 70 of these boys.
1166
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,100
Reporter 5:
Some of the so-called
"lost boys,"
1167
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:40,100
all banished by Jeffs,
1168
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:42,210
told their stories.
1169
00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:48,010
Dan:
Hundreds of boys,
1170
00:54:48,050 --> 00:54:49,850
aged 13 and above,
1171
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,880
have fled or been expelled
1172
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,780
from this society.
1173
00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:58,520
And at the demand
of its fanatical leader,
1174
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,720
Warren Jeffs.
1175
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,290
Tommy:
Dan made it his mission
1176
00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:02,960
to help these boys
who were exiled with nothing.
1177
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,300
Dan:
Nobody else
1178
00:55:05,330 --> 00:55:09,300
had both a knowledge
of what was going on,
1179
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:11,140
the financial resources,
1180
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:14,270
and the understanding
to do it.
1181
00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:18,810
And you either accept that
or you don't.
1182
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,380
It's... pretty damn simple.
1183
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:25,320
Even though
very uncomfortable,
1184
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:27,890
it's pretty damn simple.
1185
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,920
We wanted to
take Warren out of power.
1186
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,620
Even after
he was on the run,
1187
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:34,990
he was still
destroying families,
1188
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:37,290
removing people
from their homes.
1189
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:40,630
Roger:
Warren Jeffs
had absolute control
1190
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:42,570
over the homes
of the people.
1191
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,830
And so
1192
00:55:43,870 --> 00:55:46,140
the Lost Boys
decided to
1193
00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:47,910
go after the land.
1194
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:48,970
Dan:
And so,
1195
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:52,110
we came to realize that
1196
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:53,680
there could and should be
a court case
1197
00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:56,950
brought against
the ownership
1198
00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:58,020
of the properties.
1199
00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:00,220
And that was Warren Jeffs.
1200
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,690
So the court case
was filed.
1201
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:09,030
Warren Jeffs came out
1202
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:11,160
with the mandate that,
1203
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,160
"We will answer
them nothing."
1204
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,700
And basically saying,
"We're above the laws
of the land,
1205
00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:19,300
we answer to a higher power."
1206
00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:23,810
He mandated that
there'd be no response
1207
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,780
from his attorneys,
that they not show up in court.
1208
00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:27,880
Tommy:
Warren had thought
1209
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:30,280
the veil
of religious freedom,
1210
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,820
protection was enough.
1211
00:56:32,850 --> 00:56:36,120
That there would be
no judgment against him.
1212
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,660
I mean, this is the first time
this has happened.
1213
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:40,360
No one had
blatantly came out
1214
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:43,390
and tried to
sue them like that.
1215
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:46,560
We showed up with to court
with our counsel.
1216
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,470
And what happens
when you go to court
and only one side's there?
1217
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:51,070
The side
that showed up won.
1218
00:56:58,010 --> 00:57:00,710
Mike:
He still had thousands
of followers
1219
00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:02,350
and millions of dollars
1220
00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:04,150
to run on.
1221
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:05,580
But his world
1222
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:07,820
was starting to shrink,
1223
00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:10,750
his powers were starting
to be curtailed.
1224
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:14,020
It was really the beginning
of the end for Warren Jeffs.
1225
00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:29,310
Elissa:
I was born into
a polygamous family,
1226
00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:31,170
24 children
and three mothers.
1227
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:35,180
I knew marriage
was a part of my future.
1228
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:36,650
I dreamed of it,
1229
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,420
I prayed for it,
1230
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:39,850
I did
all the perfect things
1231
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:41,650
that a perfect
prissy girl would do
1232
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:42,750
to prepare themselves
1233
00:57:42,790 --> 00:57:44,350
for marriage.
1234
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:45,760
But I was young,
1235
00:57:45,790 --> 00:57:47,390
I was 14.
1236
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:49,060
Brock:
And up to that point,
1237
00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:51,330
it had been very difficult
to actually find a witness
1238
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,000
who was willing to talk.
1239
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:56,100
I met Elissa Wall one night
at a restaurant.
1240
00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:59,870
As we had dinner,
she told me her story.
1241
00:57:59,910 --> 00:58:01,840
Usually when a girl
is to be married,
1242
00:58:01,870 --> 00:58:04,270
they're excited,
they're happy,
1243
00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:06,180
and they're just
so lucky and blessed
1244
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:08,080
to have the prophet
love them enough
1245
00:58:08,110 --> 00:58:10,010
to find a place for them
to be married.
1246
00:58:10,050 --> 00:58:12,520
Then I learned that I was
to marry my first cousin,
1247
00:58:12,550 --> 00:58:14,020
Allen Steed.
1248
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:17,150
And I had a very
deep hatred for him.
1249
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:22,190
I remember going
to Caliente in Nevada.
1250
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,530
There was a hotel
that was owned by
1251
00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:29,870
by a member
of the FLDS there.
1252
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:33,140
I broke down for a moment
to my mother and I just said,
1253
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:34,710
"I can't do this.
1254
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:36,940
I cannot do this, Mom."
1255
00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:39,980
And she, as a good FLDS mom,
1256
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:41,550
"Yes, you can.
1257
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,710
And you will."
1258
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:46,280
( music playing )
1259
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:53,090
We were taught
from a very young age
1260
00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:55,260
deep religious beliefs
1261
00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:57,160
about what it meant
to be a woman.
1262
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,560
A woman's job
1263
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,630
was to ultimately
become married to a man,
1264
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:03,270
hopefully with many wives,
1265
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:04,530
and to have children.
1266
00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:07,340
A woman cannot go to Heaven
1267
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:08,770
on her own,
1268
00:59:08,810 --> 00:59:11,580
she has to be
sealed to a man.
1269
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:14,510
And meant to listen
1270
00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:16,280
to whatever
the husband said.
1271
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,920
He was the connection
to my salvation.
1272
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:23,990
There's that moment of me
walking down the stairs
1273
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:27,860
in this beautifully crafted
wedding dress
1274
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:30,490
that any other girl,
it seemed in the community,
1275
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:32,260
would be so happy
to be wearing.
1276
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:36,230
For me, it really felt like
I was dressed to face death.
1277
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:40,600
I really wanted to die.
1278
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:49,180
At the end of the ceremony,
Warren took both of our hands
1279
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:51,450
and looked me in the eye
and he said,
1280
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,150
"Now go forth and multiply
and replenish the Earth."
1281
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:58,960
I don't remember much
of the drive back,
1282
00:59:58,990 --> 01:00:00,320
I just kept
seeing Warren's eyes
1283
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,730
in my head
over and over and over,
1284
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,230
wondering...
what was next.
1285
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:12,200
About three years
into my marriage to Allen...
1286
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,300
it was hell.
1287
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:15,070
It was abusive,
1288
01:00:15,110 --> 01:00:18,580
both physically, mentally
and sexually.
1289
01:00:18,610 --> 01:00:22,580
And Warren knew what's
happening in this relationship
1290
01:00:22,610 --> 01:00:24,050
that he had put together.
1291
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,820
I often just
begged for release.
1292
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:30,820
And within the FLDS, that is,
in essence, a divorce.
1293
01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:32,520
( phone ringing )
1294
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,660
One day,
Warren called in
1295
01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:36,860
and he told me
that I was evil
1296
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:38,600
and a wicked person.
1297
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:40,230
In our teaching,
we had been told
1298
01:00:40,270 --> 01:00:42,100
quite a bit about
blood atonement.
1299
01:00:42,130 --> 01:00:45,600
Someone who had
committed the worst crimes
1300
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,740
could atone
for those crimes
1301
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:49,510
by giving their own life.
1302
01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:50,910
We would lay on altar
1303
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:52,780
and have our throat slit
1304
01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:54,010
and we would be giving God
1305
01:00:54,050 --> 01:00:55,210
the gift that he gave us,
1306
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:56,450
which is the gift of life
1307
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,710
in atonement for our sins.
1308
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:59,950
I remember Warren said
1309
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:01,720
that that was
my only saving grace.
1310
01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:05,790
This would lead
1311
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:07,390
to giving me the courage
1312
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:10,060
to just make the leap,
to run.
1313
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:13,560
We had a very compelling case
because we had
1314
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,070
a courageous young woman
1315
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:18,540
who was articulate,
sincere
1316
01:01:18,570 --> 01:01:20,470
and there was
corroborating evidence for.
1317
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:22,970
So everything we looked for
in terms of building a case
1318
01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:25,410
we had
for the very first time.
1319
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,710
The criminal charges allege
1320
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:30,250
that Mr. Jeffs encouraged,
1321
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,150
commanded,
1322
01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:33,980
aided, abetted another
1323
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:35,920
to have sexual intercourse
1324
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:38,990
with a victim
between the ages 14 and 18
1325
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:41,930
without her consent.
1326
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,960
At the time,
Warren was on the lam,
1327
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,100
so Elissa Wall tipped
the balance for the FBI
1328
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:51,940
and they put Warren Jeffs
on the FBI Most Wanted List.
1329
01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:53,340
Larry King:
Good evening.
1330
01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:55,110
Over the weekend,
Osama bin Laden,
1331
01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:56,840
and eight other men
were joined
1332
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,480
on the FBI's Most Wanted List
by Warren Jeffs.
1333
01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:01,950
Reporter 6:
The FBI considers him
armed and dangerous
1334
01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:04,920
and he's allegedly known for
crimes against children.
1335
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:07,850
We had the FBI come
to our house a couple times.
1336
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:10,120
When they showed up,
1337
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,290
it created
such a hatred for them
1338
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,690
because we felt like
they were always
1339
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:15,330
trying to get us
and hurt us.
1340
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,860
Anderson Cooper:
Warren Jeffs hasn't been seen
1341
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:18,530
in more than a year.
1342
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,500
The FBI has been
searching for him since June
1343
01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:22,370
on charges of
fleeing prosecution
1344
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,370
in Arizona.
1345
01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:29,540
Elissa:
There was that fateful day.
1346
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:31,510
I remember
1347
01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:32,980
we turned the TV on
and there,
1348
01:02:33,010 --> 01:02:35,510
all over every channel
was news coverage
1349
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:37,050
that Warren had been caught.
1350
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,220
I'd like to announce
the arrest
1351
01:02:39,250 --> 01:02:43,390
of FBI Top Ten Most Wanted
Fugitive, Warren Steed Jeffs.
1352
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,560
It was just
a routine traffic stop
1353
01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:48,530
by a Nevada Highway Patrol.
1354
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,060
Reporter 7:
He was arrested near Las Vegas
late Monday.
1355
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,060
He'd been on the run
for two years.
1356
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,130
Mike:
He was riding around
1357
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:55,630
in a big, fancy Escalade
1358
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:58,540
with all kinds of money,
1359
01:02:58,570 --> 01:03:01,540
and communication devices,
and wigs.
1360
01:03:01,570 --> 01:03:03,510
One of his cute, little wives
and his brother
1361
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:06,580
were basically running around
the world seeing Disneyland.
1362
01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:09,350
Dowayne:
It was more shocking to me
1363
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:11,480
that he was arrested
with Isaac and Naomi
1364
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,320
in the gentile clothing.
1365
01:03:13,350 --> 01:03:15,850
And I think that anybody that
was watching that circumstance
1366
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:18,720
saw the hypocrisy of it.
1367
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,990
I did.
1368
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:22,360
Briell:
I think he would've ran
1369
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:24,730
as long as he could've
and as far as he could've.
1370
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,730
But I do think he knew
he was going to be caught.
1371
01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:30,770
We didn't think that Father
would get arrested,
1372
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,940
he always told us that
the Lord would protect him.
1373
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,570
For us, it was the saddest
thing in the world.
1374
01:03:37,610 --> 01:03:40,840
It seemed like the whole
religion went into prison.
1375
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,710
We did a lot of
fasting and...
1376
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:44,850
you know, just praying for him,
1377
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,450
and that
he'd be strengthened,
1378
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:49,420
and the Lord would bless him
and help him through.
1379
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:53,090
( camera shutters clicking )
1380
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:54,720
Brock:
Warren was arrested in Nevada
1381
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,190
so he was held in Las Vegas.
1382
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:58,930
And two of my deputies
went down
1383
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,200
to do the paperwork with regard
to transferring him.
1384
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:04,600
It was a simple hearing,
nothing was involved,
1385
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,370
and there were
mobs of cameras.
1386
01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:08,570
( camera shutter clicking )
1387
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:09,970
And that was when
we first realized
1388
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:13,140
this is gonna be
a different prosecution for us.
1389
01:04:13,180 --> 01:04:15,250
Judge:
Okay, what would you like to do?
1390
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:21,450
You wanna waive your rights
in regards to extradition
1391
01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:23,750
and go back as quickly
as they can have--
1392
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:25,620
that they can
come pick you up?
1393
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:26,990
All right.
1394
01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:28,430
Brock:
I immediately called Elissa
1395
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:29,990
and said,
1396
01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:32,330
"It's happening. It's on."
1397
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,100
( music playing )
1398
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:57,250
Sean:
While Warren Jeffs
was incarcerated
1399
01:04:57,290 --> 01:04:59,360
at Purgatory Correctional
Facility in Washington County,
1400
01:04:59,390 --> 01:05:03,590
and awaiting trial on charges
of rape as an accomplice,
1401
01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:06,730
he gave what has been
called a confession.
1402
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:15,470
Flora:
I think he realized,
1403
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:18,440
"Oh, ( bleep ).
1404
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,940
It caught up with me."
1405
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:34,620
Noel:
He had no limits within
that small community.
1406
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:37,490
Now, as soon as he got
outside the community,
1407
01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:40,730
of course, no one
acknowledged his legitimacy
1408
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:42,970
or his authority.
1409
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,840
And I think that was
a rude awakening.
1410
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:47,800
He lost
all of that control
1411
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,510
that he had always had.
1412
01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:04,820
Roger:
That recording
1413
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:06,760
was hidden, buried,
1414
01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:08,830
discredited.
1415
01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:11,030
People were told
it was made up,
1416
01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:12,960
that he was drugged.
1417
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,330
In actuality, it was
the one time he told the truth.
1418
01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:29,280
Brock:
With the case pending,
1419
01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:31,610
the rules of ethics
and evidence
1420
01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:33,820
didn't allow us
to just go announce,
1421
01:06:33,850 --> 01:06:35,950
"Hey, world,
look what Warren has said."
1422
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:52,740
( phone placed on receiver )
1423
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,540
( music playing )
1424
01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:03,910
Reporter 8:
The legal case
against Warren Jeffs,
1425
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:05,880
the leader of a polygamist
religion or cult,
1426
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,350
is now underway
in the state of Utah.
1427
01:07:12,490 --> 01:07:14,660
Brock:
The trial was extraordinary
1428
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:17,730
for Washington County.
1429
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,430
The security was
out in force.
1430
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:23,300
We had a great deal of concern
about protecting Elissa.
1431
01:07:23,340 --> 01:07:26,300
She was in
a Witness Protection Program,
1432
01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:29,110
we took great care
to safeguard her
1433
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:30,510
and make her
feel comfortable
1434
01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:32,910
so that we could
get our case to trial.
1435
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,480
I mean, the case
rose and fell on her,
1436
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:37,250
and her ability
to connect with the jury
1437
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,420
to convey the story
as to what happened to her.
1438
01:07:40,450 --> 01:07:42,420
( music playing )
1439
01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:44,190
Elissa:
The day of
the preliminary hearing,
1440
01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:45,920
it was the first time
1441
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,830
that I would actually
face Warren Jeffs.
1442
01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:53,660
I sat on that stand and I looked
dead in Warren's eyes
1443
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:58,130
and I forced myself
to hold eye contact.
1444
01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:00,140
I remember we sat there
and stared at each other
1445
01:08:00,170 --> 01:08:03,270
for a good few minutes
and, ultimately,
1446
01:08:03,310 --> 01:08:06,340
he shook his head
and just dropped his eyes.
1447
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:09,210
I had claimed my power
1448
01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:11,650
and I had
claimed my freedom
1449
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,720
because he did
not control me.
1450
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:16,320
Judge:
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen,
we are back in session.
1451
01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:18,450
State of Utah versus
Warren Steed Jeffs.
1452
01:08:18,490 --> 01:08:21,490
Mr. Jeffs is here
with his counsel.
1453
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:22,960
Roger:
It's not easy
1454
01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:26,660
to convict somebody
of accomplice to rape.
1455
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:29,230
Especially when
they're a religious leader
1456
01:08:29,270 --> 01:08:30,970
and the defense is
1457
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,670
he was just giving
religious advice
1458
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:33,700
to this couple.
1459
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,840
Just marriage counseling,
1460
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:37,410
trying to help them
work out their problems
1461
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,140
as husband and wife.
1462
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:40,680
I don't believe
that Warren Jeffs
1463
01:08:40,710 --> 01:08:42,680
has ever done
anything wrong.
1464
01:08:42,710 --> 01:08:44,180
Roger:
Well, it wasn't
a husband and wife,
1465
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:45,480
she was not married,
1466
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,750
it was an
illegal marriage.
1467
01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:49,150
Elissa:
I was... shocked
1468
01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:51,420
I was like, "No way I...
1469
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:53,690
there is no way
I'm going to marry that man.
1470
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,030
This entire time
that I was there,
1471
01:08:59,060 --> 01:09:01,830
I was... I was crying.
1472
01:09:01,870 --> 01:09:03,470
And I just,
I honestly just wanted to die
1473
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:07,770
because I was so scared.
( sobs )
1474
01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:15,910
Because I had
two younger sisters
1475
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:18,920
still in the FLDS...
1476
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:21,720
I had the overwhelming
realization
1477
01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:23,550
that what happened to me
1478
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:26,460
would probably,
most definitely happen to them.
1479
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:28,520
( music playing )
1480
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,630
During the trial,
1481
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,860
I had this picture
of my two sisters.
1482
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:37,570
And, every day,
I would look at that.
1483
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,800
They gave me
the courage I needed
1484
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,510
or allowed me to, at least,
tap into the courage
I possessed
1485
01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:44,910
and hopefully
protect my sisters.
1486
01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:50,580
Judge:
Has this jury reached a verdict?
1487
01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:52,820
- Foreman: Yes.
- Judge: Would you hand that
to the bailiff, please, sir?
1488
01:09:52,850 --> 01:09:55,590
Brock:
Waiting for that verdict
was not easy.
1489
01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:57,420
I mean,
the work was done,
1490
01:09:57,460 --> 01:10:00,720
and now, everything
we've done is out of our hands
1491
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,730
and in the hands
of the jury.
1492
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,630
Judge:
Mr. Jeffs,
would you please stand
1493
01:10:05,660 --> 01:10:07,060
as the verdict is read?
1494
01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:11,270
Roger:
We needed so desperately
1495
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,400
to have Warren Jeffs
held accountable
1496
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:17,170
to try and stop the damage
he was doing to these people.
1497
01:10:17,210 --> 01:10:20,110
It could've gone either way,
it was really tough.
1498
01:10:20,150 --> 01:10:23,780
You'd think that this would
be an easy thing... you know?
1499
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:25,080
But it wasn't.
1500
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,950
Bailiff:
The defendant is guilty
1501
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:28,690
beyond a reasonable doubt.
1502
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,320
Reporter 9:
51-year-old Warren Jeffs
1503
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,960
showed no emotion as
the verdict was read.
1504
01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:38,490
Elissa:
He didn't really
let it faze him.
1505
01:10:38,530 --> 01:10:42,500
There was definitely
a kind of a hushed silence.
1506
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:45,870
I just started to cry
because I knew that
1507
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,670
my mother and thousands
and thousands of other people
1508
01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:52,840
that loved Warren more
than loved themselves,
1509
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,650
that this was going to be
a shot to their heart.
1510
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,050
And it was a painful,
conflicting moment of realizing
1511
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,020
that the right thing
had happened...
1512
01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:03,920
but that the people
were the ones to pay.
1513
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,460
( music playing )
1514
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,300
Brock:
When you look back
1515
01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:14,800
at her courage
1516
01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:16,830
to overcome years
of indoctrination
1517
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:18,630
and say,
"This just isn't right,"
1518
01:11:18,670 --> 01:11:20,200
and to come and say,
"I'm gonna say that
1519
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,070
the man who is the mouthpiece
of God was wrong."
1520
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:27,240
Her example
will shine a light
1521
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,010
of hope for others.
1522
01:11:29,050 --> 01:11:31,650
That was
really scary for her.
1523
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,650
Really scary.
1524
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,320
Talk about a hero.
1525
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:37,720
When I was young,
1526
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,660
my mother taught me
1527
01:11:39,690 --> 01:11:43,930
that evil flourishes
when good men do nothing.
1528
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,400
This has not
been easy for us.
1529
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:49,070
The easy thing
would've been to do nothing.
1530
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,210
Brock:
I have a picture
of her standing there
1531
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:00,610
alone in front of a microphone
with all the cameras around.
1532
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:04,750
She demonstrated enormous
courage and fortitude.
1533
01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:06,950
She was definitely
the right person
1534
01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:10,020
at the right time
for the right job.
1535
01:12:10,050 --> 01:12:11,750
Without Elissa,
1536
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:16,830
it's very probable that Warren
wouldn't be in prison.
1537
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:20,800
Reporter 10:
Aboard this helicopter,
1538
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:23,100
the man thousands believe
is a prophet of God,
1539
01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:25,570
Warren Jeffs,
being transported to jail
1540
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,100
as a convicted felon.
1541
01:12:27,140 --> 01:12:29,640
( music playing )
1542
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:33,440
I was hopeful at the time
that that would be
1543
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:35,340
a turning point
for his people.
1544
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:37,180
It didn't really
turn out that way.
1545
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:45,620
Reporter 11:
Warren Jeffs,
the leader of the largest
1546
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:47,420
polygamist sect
in North America
1547
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:49,760
received
two consecutive sentences
1548
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:51,660
of five years to life.
1549
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,560
Unfortunately, the story doesn't
end when Warren goes to prison.
1550
01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:58,170
Elissa:
At this point within the FLDS,
1551
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,270
the stakes
were incredibly high.
1552
01:13:00,310 --> 01:13:03,210
They've lived their entire life
in a state of
1553
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,710
horrific fear.
1554
01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:06,810
And now,
the outside world
1555
01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:08,980
had the community
under the microscope.
1556
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:11,610
( helicopter blades spinning )
1557
01:13:11,650 --> 01:13:15,250
( music playing )
1558
01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:24,830
( sobbing )
1559
01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:26,830
They brought in their lines
1560
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:28,360
of officers.
1561
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:29,670
"If you resist,
1562
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:31,400
we will arrest you."
1563
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,240
I'm Rich Matthews
in El Dorado, Texas
1564
01:13:34,270 --> 01:13:36,370
where authorities are
serving a search warrant
1565
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:38,370
on the compound
of Warren Jeffs.
1566
01:13:38,410 --> 01:13:40,680
We knew about
the compound in Texas.
1567
01:13:40,710 --> 01:13:42,410
Very secretive.
1568
01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:44,850
And we knew there was
a lot going on down there.
1569
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,820
When they finally
gained entrance,
1570
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:48,050
they began to witness
1571
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:49,520
young girls
that were pregnant.
1572
01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:55,220
Elissa:
Texas walked in prepared
for what they were faced with.
1573
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:58,160
They were under the impression
there was a small amount
of children
1574
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,600
and they were just there
to kind of investigate.
1575
01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:01,360
They really wanted to
1576
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,000
do the right thing.
1577
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:04,530
And it was just kind of
the snowball effect
1578
01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:06,240
that ultimately lead
to all of the children
1579
01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:07,270
being removed.
1580
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:08,700
They ended up removing
1581
01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:10,510
463 children
1582
01:14:10,540 --> 01:14:12,010
from the YFZ Ranch.
1583
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,280
Roger:
The problem was
1584
01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:17,880
the optics publically
were terrible.
1585
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,120
( music playing )
1586
01:14:21,150 --> 01:14:22,850
Elissa:
If you parade
sobbing mothers
1587
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:26,190
on television, our
natural instinct for viewers
1588
01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:28,390
are to say,
"Oh, that's horrible,"
1589
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:30,030
without even thinking
for a second
1590
01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:32,030
that there's a reason
that they were taken away.
1591
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:34,630
I want the world to know
1592
01:14:34,670 --> 01:14:37,800
that I forgive everybody.
1593
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,240
Woman:
We want our children,
they took 'em.
1594
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:43,270
They didn't give us
a chance to say goodbye.
1595
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:46,310
Sam:
They'd created this PR image
1596
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:48,680
of the 1953 raid.
1597
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,780
And that's what
they tried to recreate.
1598
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:56,450
And in some sense,
1599
01:14:56,490 --> 01:14:58,250
they accomplished that.
1600
01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:04,090
Mike:
The FLDS hierarchy
1601
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:07,260
knows the optics.
1602
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:09,330
They're good at
seizing the moment
1603
01:15:09,370 --> 01:15:12,170
and presenting
their victimization.
1604
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,940
Elissa:
The timing of the Texas raid
couldn't have been better
1605
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:15,910
for Warren.
1606
01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:17,740
Sadly, it played right
into his narrative.
1607
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:20,840
Evil was trying harder
than ever to take out
1608
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,110
the Lord's people.
1609
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,190
There are some
disturbing new details
1610
01:15:32,220 --> 01:15:34,120
about what investigators
have found
1611
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,430
during their now concluded
search of that compound.
1612
01:15:36,460 --> 01:15:39,430
In this photo, crime scene
technicians are seen
1613
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:40,660
examining a bed
1614
01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:42,030
found in the temple.
1615
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:43,630
A bed investigators say
1616
01:15:43,670 --> 01:15:45,940
maybe have been used
to consummate marriages
1617
01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:48,300
between adult men
and underage girls.
1618
01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:50,440
Reporter 12:
Texas prosecutors
are said to have
1619
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:51,940
church marriage records,
1620
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:54,280
photos,
even DNA evidence
1621
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:56,210
that Warren Jeffs had sex
1622
01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:57,950
with girls as young as 12.
1623
01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:06,960
( music playing )
1624
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,130
Mike:
Mr. Jeffs,
1625
01:16:14,170 --> 01:16:17,730
did you rape
those two girls?
1626
01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:20,840
Warren Jeffs decided he wanted
to represent himself.
1627
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:22,540
I can tell you
with complete
1628
01:16:22,570 --> 01:16:26,210
conviction that
that was a bad idea.
1629
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,950
He got up,
talking about religious history
1630
01:16:29,980 --> 01:16:34,480
and the persecution of his
people over the last 150 years.
1631
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,220
Your eyes glazed over.
1632
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:38,520
Reporter 13:
In his closing argument,
1633
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,160
Warren Jeffs stood silent,
1634
01:16:40,190 --> 01:16:43,430
staring at the jurors
for 30 minutes,
1635
01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:47,600
speaking only once saying,
"I am at peace."
1636
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:49,070
Elaine Anderson:
He's a pervert.
1637
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,570
And the crazy thing is
1638
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,040
is he perverted
his own religion.
1639
01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:58,210
Reporter 14:
Warren Jeffs has been sentenced
to life in prison.
1640
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,380
Jeffs was convicted
in Texas
1641
01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:03,350
of having sex with girls
as young as 12.
1642
01:17:03,380 --> 01:17:04,950
He won't be
eligible for parole until
1643
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:07,120
he's at least
100 years old.
1644
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,960
Isaac:
It was really hard
to hear the sentence.
1645
01:17:16,990 --> 01:17:18,130
In my mind,
1646
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,800
I was like,
"It'll never--
1647
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:20,930
it's never gonna
be that long,
1648
01:17:20,970 --> 01:17:23,030
they have no way
to hold him."
1649
01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:25,740
'Cause Father would
tell us stories about,
1650
01:17:25,770 --> 01:17:27,440
in the Bible
or stuff where
1651
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:30,610
God delivered people from
the hands of their enemies.
1652
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,580
He said that
that could happen for him
1653
01:17:32,610 --> 01:17:36,080
if we were good enough
for it to happen.
1654
01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:40,650
Warren:
♪ Sweet spirit of prayer ♪
1655
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:44,820
♪ Sweet spirit
of prayer... ♪
1656
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:47,390
Dan:
Sad to say,
after some amount of time
1657
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:50,460
his mother
and some others go in
1658
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:52,660
and convince him that
he is the prophet.
1659
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:55,230
And now he's back
in being the prophet again.
1660
01:17:58,470 --> 01:18:00,470
Mike:
His followers,
they don't believe it.
1661
01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:01,900
They don't believe
any of this stuff.
1662
01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:04,070
"I don't believe
the confessions,
1663
01:18:04,110 --> 01:18:06,610
I don't believe
that he's doing this."
1664
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,680
Noel:
The follower wants to
have somebody
1665
01:18:08,710 --> 01:18:10,110
to tell them
who they are
1666
01:18:10,150 --> 01:18:11,780
and that they're special.
1667
01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:14,780
The followers often
sacrifice a great deal,
1668
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:16,850
but, in return,
they get this confidence
1669
01:18:16,890 --> 01:18:18,420
that they are different
than all the evil people
1670
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:19,860
out in the world today,
1671
01:18:19,890 --> 01:18:22,630
that they're
God's special people.
1672
01:18:22,660 --> 01:18:24,030
Sam:
In some ways, I think that
1673
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:27,660
Warren is maybe even
more effective
1674
01:18:27,700 --> 01:18:29,170
from behind bars
1675
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,130
than he was
outside of prison.
1676
01:18:31,170 --> 01:18:34,470
In prison,
he's a martyr.
1677
01:18:34,510 --> 01:18:35,870
And the people believe that
1678
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:39,010
he is there atoning
for their sins,
1679
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,610
for their misgivings,
1680
01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:44,110
and that they need
to try harder.
1681
01:18:44,150 --> 01:18:46,020
Alyshia:
Basically, we blamed ourselves.
1682
01:18:46,050 --> 01:18:49,720
We knew it was because
we didn't exert the faith
1683
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:52,720
and we weren't worthy
to have him among us
1684
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,720
and that's why the Lord
took him away.
1685
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,490
That's... very much
the mindset that we had.
1686
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,200
Sam:
That is really the source
of Warren's power,
1687
01:19:02,230 --> 01:19:05,500
is that loyalty
and blind obedience.
1688
01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:12,170
( music playing )
1689
01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:14,140
Gabriel Dutson: I grew up
in Colorado City, Arizona,
1690
01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:16,350
Short Creek.
1691
01:19:16,380 --> 01:19:18,280
My dad,
1692
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,650
he actually came out
1693
01:19:20,690 --> 01:19:24,350
and said that, um...
1694
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:27,490
that he still believed
in Warren Jeffs.
1695
01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:30,160
And I just didn't
believe that.
1696
01:19:30,190 --> 01:19:32,130
So he just said,
"Pack your things and go."
1697
01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:41,300
I have three little sisters
that I can't say hi to,
1698
01:19:41,340 --> 01:19:43,110
not even "Hi."
1699
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:44,710
And they don't even
remember who I am
1700
01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:46,740
because you don't
let me come around.
1701
01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:49,910
( sniffles )
And now they're seven years old.
1702
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:57,290
That I can't be a part of
the family I grew up with.
1703
01:19:59,820 --> 01:20:01,620
Tommy:
Warren's in jail
1704
01:20:01,660 --> 01:20:07,030
and he's still
controlling that town.
1705
01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:08,700
It's kind of despicable
1706
01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:11,270
what he's still allowed
to get away with
1707
01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:13,270
from behind bars.
1708
01:20:19,780 --> 01:20:22,480
The last time I took
Warren Jeff's deposition
1709
01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:24,150
was in Palestine, Texas.
1710
01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:26,920
This is continued deposition
of Warren Jeffs
1711
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:29,690
taken on February 13, 2014.
1712
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,050
We're on the record
at 2:08 p.m.
1713
01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:33,920
We wanted to
give him a chance
1714
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,930
to maybe explain
to the FLDS people
1715
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,730
and the public in general
1716
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,230
what he was thinking.
1717
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:42,430
And give him a chance
1718
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:45,130
to come clean.
1719
01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:46,540
Well,
he didn't come clean.
1720
01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:57,710
All of a sudden, he's taking
the Fifth Amendment.
1721
01:20:57,750 --> 01:21:00,420
I don't know
how much guilt's there,
1722
01:21:00,450 --> 01:21:02,720
how much shame is there.
1723
01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:08,790
Sean:
The fact that Warren Jeffs
is incarcerated in Texas
1724
01:21:08,830 --> 01:21:12,590
has done nothing
to diminish his control
1725
01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:15,530
over the everyday lives
of FLDS members
1726
01:21:15,570 --> 01:21:16,900
How do you feel
that he's in jail,
1727
01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:18,200
maybe for
the rest of his life?
1728
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:19,570
I feel really bad.
1729
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,270
I love him,
I know that he loves me.
1730
01:21:21,310 --> 01:21:24,440
Sean:
He continues to serve
as the prophet
1731
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,980
and, at least
as of January 2016,
1732
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:30,310
we had evidence
that he continued
1733
01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:32,750
to direct the day-to-day
operations of the church.
1734
01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:39,590
Including things
like excommunicating
individual members
1735
01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:41,160
and directing what women
1736
01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:45,260
should be placed
with what caretakers.
1737
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:47,830
The prison
in Texas suspected
1738
01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:50,000
that Warren Jeffs'
brothers were
1739
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:52,600
were using hidden
recording devices
1740
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,140
to capture their weekly
meetings with him.
1741
01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:58,170
Devices disguised
as watches and pens.
1742
01:21:58,210 --> 01:22:00,780
Warren Jeffs was sending out
coded letters.
1743
01:22:00,810 --> 01:22:03,810
A handful of trusted wives
were the ones
1744
01:22:03,850 --> 01:22:06,020
who were able to
unencrypt those letters
1745
01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:07,150
and get the messages back
1746
01:22:07,180 --> 01:22:08,720
to Short Creek.
1747
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:12,620
Isaac:
Father Calvin said, "Yes,
1748
01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:14,420
the work's not stopped,
1749
01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:16,260
and we're going
to keep going.
1750
01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:18,490
Heavenly Father's guiding us
how he wants,
1751
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:19,860
so you need to
stay focused."
1752
01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:22,100
Even though he was in jail,
1753
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:25,100
he would tell us "I'm happier
than I've ever been before."
1754
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:27,100
Flora:
There's no hardship on him.
1755
01:22:27,140 --> 01:22:28,800
What's changed?
1756
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,470
He's just
not driving around,
1757
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:33,010
kicking the dust
off his boots.
1758
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:37,380
Right now, he still gets
visits from his wives.
1759
01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:41,120
He's still feeding his doctrine
to the people of the FLDS.
1760
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,130
Tommy:
You can't just
go into that town
1761
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,060
with an ice cream truck
and get on a megaphone
1762
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:57,630
and say, "What you believe
is bull( bleep ), here's why."
1763
01:22:57,670 --> 01:22:58,970
You can't just list off
the reasons.
1764
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,040
All you can really do is
1765
01:23:03,070 --> 01:23:05,810
show your support.
1766
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,080
And when they're ready to
1767
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:09,810
make that step
to come out,
1768
01:23:09,850 --> 01:23:11,850
all you can do
is be there for 'em.
1769
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:17,220
Dan:
It takes generations
to overcome,
1770
01:23:17,250 --> 01:23:19,320
but you believe
to your core.
1771
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,560
Just as it takes generations
to instill
1772
01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:24,930
new cores for
future generations.
1773
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,200
Dr. Fischer actually pays
for my books in college.
1774
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,070
They gave us
the possibility
1775
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:37,370
for a good future.
1776
01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:40,110
And I've chosen
to live a different life.
1777
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:42,780
More and more people
are starting to wake up.
1778
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:45,150
That's the term they use,
they're waking up.
1779
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,620
Elissa:
They started with 200 children,
1780
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:58,190
and this year they began
with almost 600 kids.
1781
01:23:58,230 --> 01:24:00,300
Families are putting
their children
1782
01:24:00,330 --> 01:24:02,430
in school, they're going
against their culturing,
1783
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:04,030
and their brainwashing,
1784
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:06,170
and they're choosing to
make a life for themselves.
1785
01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:11,640
I moved back and so did
many, many other people.
1786
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:12,910
And we moved back
with a reason.
1787
01:24:12,940 --> 01:24:15,480
I believe that we can
1788
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:17,080
recover this town.
1789
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:43,270
Rachel:
I still love him
'cause he's my father.
1790
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:46,440
I am so sad that he's made
the choices he's made
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01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,110
I don't justify him, ever,
1792
01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:52,350
but it makes me sad
that he has made those choices.
1793
01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:53,820
and that he has to suffer.
1794
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:56,080
Roy:
I want to forgive him,
1795
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,520
but realizing
what he's done,
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01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,620
it would require something
pretty drastic for me
to forgive him,
1797
01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:04,830
but it's not happened yet.
1798
01:25:04,860 --> 01:25:07,500
Not happened yet.
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01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:11,030
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Isaac:
There is no way
to see it fairly
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from the outside world.
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01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:18,170
I hope that people
will understand
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01:25:18,210 --> 01:25:20,140
what those religious people
are going through
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01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:23,050
and why they make
their choices.
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01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,480
They made their mistakes.
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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,950
And they're still--
they have good in 'em,
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01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:30,120
they did good things
in their life.
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01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:35,160
Warren:
Hear, little children,
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01:25:35,190 --> 01:25:36,860
that I will lead you.
1810
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:39,060
Let's tie ourselves
to the prophet,
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01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:42,400
purifying ourselves
where we can
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01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:45,270
always keep sweet...
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no matter what.
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