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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 ( music playing ) 2 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:13,140 Mike Watkiss: Mr. Jeffs, did you rape those two girls? 3 00:00:15,110 --> 00:00:17,950 Mr. Jeffs? 4 00:00:17,980 --> 00:00:21,220 The trial was of Warren Jeffs was as bizarre 5 00:00:21,250 --> 00:00:23,280 as anything I have ever seen 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,990 because, at one point, 7 00:00:25,020 --> 00:00:27,650 they played the audio. 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,670 Warren Jeffs had recorded himself 9 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:45,870 basically committing statutory rape 10 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:47,840 against one of these little girls. 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,020 His creepy voice basically 12 00:00:56,050 --> 00:00:57,550 grooming her moments before 13 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:59,550 he was about to sexually assault her. 14 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:08,400 It was stunning. 15 00:01:08,430 --> 00:01:11,130 This little timid voice responding to him. 16 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,010 It was probably a really good thing 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,810 that there were all these big Texas Rangers 18 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:24,980 in that courtroom 19 00:01:25,010 --> 00:01:27,650 because I think that jury would've jumped across the railing 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,850 and killed him with their bare hands. 21 00:01:29,890 --> 00:01:33,020 Warren Jeffs: So anxious for Heavenly Father's spirit to guide me 22 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:36,290 and all of you can receive the truth. 23 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:38,060 Larry King: Osama bin Laden and eight other men 24 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:40,530 were joined on the FBI's Most Wanted List 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,460 by Warren Jeffs. 26 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,000 Reporter 1: Prophet Warren Jeffs 27 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:45,670 is considered one of the most sinister 28 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:47,530 polygamists of his time. 29 00:01:47,570 --> 00:01:51,210 I think he had 78 wives. 30 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,370 Reporter 2: Young girls no more than 12 or 13 years old. 31 00:01:54,410 --> 00:01:55,980 My dad is a pedophile. 32 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:59,850 I had tried so hard to protect my children. 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,920 Mike: I think he's a sociopath. 34 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:03,380 Flora Jessop: He was able to convince 35 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:04,850 15,000 people 36 00:02:04,890 --> 00:02:06,990 that he was Jesus Christ to them. 37 00:02:07,020 --> 00:02:10,320 I love him, I know that he loves me. 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,190 The level of blind obedience 39 00:02:12,230 --> 00:02:13,730 is staggering. 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,860 Mike: It is a complete 41 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:16,200 church-run state. 42 00:02:16,230 --> 00:02:18,900 If there were a Taliban of America, 43 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:20,400 I would say this is it. 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,400 Richard Ream: The church and Warren 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,170 controlled everything. 46 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:25,170 Brock Belnap: He's either the mouthpiece of God 47 00:02:25,210 --> 00:02:27,740 or the most evil person on Earth. 48 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:29,940 Everybody deserves to know the truth. 49 00:02:29,980 --> 00:02:31,910 Woman: And it will shock the world, the evidence that comes out. 50 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:32,910 Reporter 3: Mr. Jeffs, 51 00:02:32,950 --> 00:02:34,080 should your followers 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,680 still consider you a prophet? 53 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Warren Jeffs is a monster. 54 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:40,050 ( music playing ) 55 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:45,560 ( birds chirping ) 56 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:14,960 Hello, everybody. 57 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:16,490 Wonderful to see you. 58 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:18,730 - You all fit in. - ( laughter ) 59 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,590 Rachel: I remember Father telling me once, 60 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:23,000 "There's two things a man loves... 61 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:25,000 ( laughs ) 62 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:26,970 women and power." 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,670 And he says, "But they love power more." 64 00:03:29,710 --> 00:03:32,170 Which position's better? 65 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:33,610 Warren: No, this is fine. 66 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,740 You don't need to lean over, that's fine. 67 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:37,140 I can see them. 68 00:03:37,180 --> 00:03:39,580 - Do you see me? - ( women chuckle ) 69 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:42,850 Flora: Warren Jeffs was a special kind of predator. 70 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:45,790 He learned how to control 71 00:03:45,820 --> 00:03:47,450 and manipulate people 72 00:03:47,490 --> 00:03:49,190 to the point that they couldn't see 73 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:51,460 the real him. 74 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:52,830 Warren: ♪ Sweet spirit ♪ 75 00:03:52,860 --> 00:03:54,760 ♪ Of prayer ♪ 76 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,300 ♪ Sweet spirit of prayer ♪ 77 00:03:58,330 --> 00:03:59,870 Brock: He has co-opted 78 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:02,840 the religious faith of believers 79 00:04:02,870 --> 00:04:05,640 and manipulated and maintained his power 80 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:07,810 over them in a way that satisfies 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,810 whatever personal pleasure he gets. 82 00:04:11,850 --> 00:04:13,880 I see him as both a narcissist 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:14,880 and a sociopath. 84 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,650 There is this grandiose 85 00:04:17,690 --> 00:04:19,520 false sense of self. 86 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,390 And other people tend to be kind of objects to him. 87 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:25,530 Sam Brower: There's been people who've stood in front of trains, 88 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,490 shot themselves, poisoned themselves 89 00:04:27,530 --> 00:04:28,830 because of Warren's 90 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:32,070 ability to decimate their lives. 91 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:34,370 The man has blood on his hands. 92 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,970 He's as guilty as if he had put the gun to someone's head 93 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:38,410 and pulled the trigger. 94 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,370 Dowayne Barlow: This story of Warren Jeffs 95 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:41,810 has to be told 96 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:42,840 because the values, 97 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,380 the virtues of good people 98 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:47,550 has been marched through and destroyed. 99 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:49,420 Elissa Wall: A lot of people ask, 100 00:04:49,450 --> 00:04:51,650 "How did Warren do what he did?" 101 00:04:51,690 --> 00:04:55,390 And it stems to one thing: fear. 102 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:59,330 And Warren became a master at commanding fear. 103 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,600 Well, thank you, that was a privilege. 104 00:05:03,630 --> 00:05:06,130 ( music playing ) 105 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,750 Mike: In many ways, Warren Jeffs was sort of the anointed prince. 106 00:05:19,780 --> 00:05:21,550 Came from this prominent family, 107 00:05:21,580 --> 00:05:26,020 Rulon Jeffs and Merilyn Steed. 108 00:05:26,050 --> 00:05:28,690 Winston Blackmore: Rulon Jeffs, the businessman, 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,620 he was just focused on his job 110 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:34,260 and he was very well-scriptured, 111 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:36,360 and he was a no-nonsense kind of person, 112 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,900 and he didn't like jokes, 113 00:05:37,930 --> 00:05:39,730 and he didn't laugh at them. 114 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:41,800 And, you know, he was just one of those kind of guys. 115 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:43,370 He was really tough. 116 00:05:43,410 --> 00:05:44,810 I think that he 117 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,470 lived a life of shutting the outside world out. 118 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:50,940 He had great big concrete walls around his home 119 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:52,510 in Salt Lake. 120 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:55,180 By and large, the Jeffs were reclusive. 121 00:05:57,250 --> 00:05:59,750 ( music playing ) 122 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,430 Rachel: So Grandfather Rulon ended up marrying a lot of women, 123 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:09,730 but they didn't all live in the same house 124 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:12,500 until my father was 14 years old. 125 00:06:12,530 --> 00:06:15,570 That's when all the families came together 126 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,600 and lived under one roof. 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,640 I know he had a lot of struggles 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,640 as a family coming together. 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,840 Warren is 130 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,480 the son of a polygamist, 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,350 which means you have a lot of competition 132 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:29,480 for your father's affection, 133 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,520 You have to stand out, 134 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:34,590 and Warren wasn't really remarkable. 135 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:36,490 My understanding 136 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:39,030 was that Warren Jeffs was a nerd. 137 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:42,800 Smart, really liked technology, 138 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:44,500 but awkward. 139 00:06:44,530 --> 00:06:45,970 Elissa: He didn't have a lot of education 140 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 when it came to sexuality, 141 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,200 or growing, or how his body would change. 142 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:54,670 Lindsay: Being raised in a large family, 143 00:06:54,710 --> 00:06:58,350 you have lots of kids without adult supervision 144 00:06:58,380 --> 00:07:02,320 and you have a lot of access to 145 00:07:02,350 --> 00:07:04,680 really complicated situations where 146 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,390 you have maybe a half-sister that you weren't raised with 147 00:07:07,420 --> 00:07:09,360 and all of a sudden, you're 13 and you see this 148 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:11,560 cute girl, and she's your half-sister, 149 00:07:11,590 --> 00:07:13,430 but you're not quite sure what the rules are. 150 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:20,570 Sam: When Warren was a boy, 151 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,640 all the women and children 152 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:25,970 would put paper over the windows, 153 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:27,040 towels under the doors 154 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,580 because Warren was a voyeur. 155 00:07:28,610 --> 00:07:30,980 He had learned how to peek in 156 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:33,110 on the girls changing their clothes. 157 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,880 Lindsay: Warren would have been around 158 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,820 some family members who, 159 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:41,220 the rumors are, 160 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:43,420 that their families were known for... 161 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:45,430 sexual abuse. 162 00:07:45,460 --> 00:07:48,190 Ron Rohbock: My wife has a master's degree in psychology, 163 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:50,700 and she tells me all the time that 164 00:07:50,730 --> 00:07:52,870 an individual that ends up like Warren 165 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:57,600 usually has had it done to him in some way. 166 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,910 Briell Decker: There is a lot of speculation on that 167 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:02,680 I don't know how you would tell that for sure. 168 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:07,550 I do believe, I believe he probably was. 169 00:08:07,580 --> 00:08:10,380 Elissa: I believe there was a lot of unhealthy sexual 170 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:12,750 desires and questions and problems that were swirling 171 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:14,020 within that family. 172 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:17,020 I think not having an education 173 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:19,560 and maybe being victimized himself 174 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,290 really added onto the fact 175 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:22,960 that he turned around and became a perpetrator. 176 00:08:24,830 --> 00:08:28,600 Ron: Warren molested many of his sisters. 177 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,370 The three that I had married, 178 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:34,810 he had molested all three of them. 179 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,580 Attorney: Would you tell us your full name 180 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:39,710 and the community in which you reside? 181 00:08:41,950 --> 00:08:44,620 Lorraine: Lorraine Jeffs Johnson. 182 00:08:44,650 --> 00:08:47,890 ( music playing ) 183 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,460 Attorney: "This first couple of times, 184 00:08:49,490 --> 00:08:52,190 you took me into your room downstairs..." 185 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:02,000 Do you remember that happening? 186 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,770 Lorraine: Yes. ( crying ) 187 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:07,410 Attorney: "Another time, taking me into the bathroom 188 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,280 by the backdoor. 189 00:09:09,310 --> 00:09:11,110 You took off your clothes and mine 190 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:14,510 and you asked if I wanted to see what makes babies." 191 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:16,780 Do you remember that happening? 192 00:09:16,820 --> 00:09:18,320 Lorraine: Yes. 193 00:09:18,350 --> 00:09:20,750 ( tape fast-forwarding ) 194 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:23,020 Attorney: Was this again when you were about 14? 195 00:09:23,060 --> 00:09:27,330 Lorraine: It could've even been in my 15th year. 196 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,430 I remember thinking, 197 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:33,930 "Do all my brothers do this to all my sisters? 198 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:36,100 Was this a common thing?" 199 00:09:36,140 --> 00:09:37,670 I didn't know, 200 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:40,310 I was never taught one way or the other. 201 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:44,880 ( tape deck clicks ) 202 00:09:44,910 --> 00:09:46,810 Whatever Warren was dealing with, 203 00:09:46,850 --> 00:09:49,520 it seems to me that shame is a huge element there. 204 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:52,990 And I think he tried to make sense of it. 205 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:56,860 And so, he studied and read Mormon theology, 206 00:09:56,890 --> 00:10:00,360 spent hours looking for old Mormon documents, 207 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,330 trying to reconcile that shame... 208 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:04,900 with God. 209 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:07,170 Rachel: The religious studies 210 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,800 must've made him feel good. 211 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:11,870 It made him feel like 212 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:13,510 he was being a good person. 213 00:10:13,540 --> 00:10:14,570 And I think he tried to deny 214 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:16,580 what he was becoming. 215 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:21,350 Noel: He was looking for himself outside himself. 216 00:10:21,380 --> 00:10:23,320 That probably limited his own 217 00:10:23,350 --> 00:10:24,850 real, deep self-awareness. 218 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:27,090 He was blinded in many ways 219 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,920 to his own impulses and thinking 220 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,030 that later come up and begin to create problems for him. 221 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:35,700 Dowayne: He felt like that he was 222 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:37,600 not accountable at all to anybody. 223 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:39,370 That he was just accountable to God. 224 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,340 Then that put this thing on such a reckless course. 225 00:10:43,370 --> 00:10:45,170 I think it was the beginning 226 00:10:45,210 --> 00:10:46,770 of big trouble. 227 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:56,420 ( music playing ) 228 00:10:56,450 --> 00:10:57,750 Elissa: In our religion, 229 00:10:57,790 --> 00:11:00,320 we had a prophet. 230 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,160 And he was the one man on Earth who was God to us. 231 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:07,630 For many generations, 232 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:11,130 any logic or any reasoning or thinking, 233 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:12,500 these were slowly weeded out, 234 00:11:12,530 --> 00:11:16,170 all under the name of religion. 235 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,340 I look back on it and Warren did not just appear out of nowhere. 236 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:24,640 An entire society created him. 237 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:28,110 They all prepared the pathway that he came on. 238 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:31,520 Mike: This story started long before Warren Jeffs 239 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:34,750 That community has been operating, basically, 240 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:37,960 in the same fashion for generations. 241 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,170 Isaac Jeffs: Father very much took inspiration from Joseph Smith. 242 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,130 He always told us that he was here 243 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:51,470 to continue Joseph Smith's work in the Earth. 244 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:55,380 And I know that he was probably his role model. 245 00:11:55,410 --> 00:11:57,910 ( music playing ) 246 00:12:00,650 --> 00:12:02,350 Lindsay: The story goes that 247 00:12:02,380 --> 00:12:05,050 Joseph Smith saw himself as restoring 248 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:06,520 things from Bible. 249 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:09,660 Anne Wilde: Abraham had more than one wife 250 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:11,360 and several others in the Old Testament 251 00:12:11,390 --> 00:12:13,230 had more than one wife. 252 00:12:13,260 --> 00:12:16,000 And so that's when the Lord made known to them 253 00:12:16,030 --> 00:12:17,960 that it was a celestial principle 254 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,730 and that it was something that they should do. 255 00:12:21,770 --> 00:12:24,170 Lindsay: Some Mormons believe that 256 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:25,710 if you have three wives, 257 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:27,410 you can go to the lower level 258 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,310 of the highest level of Heaven. 259 00:12:29,340 --> 00:12:31,380 If you have five wives, you go into the middle level. 260 00:12:31,410 --> 00:12:33,750 And seven, seven or more, gets you into 261 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:35,750 the highest level of the celestial kingdom. 262 00:12:35,780 --> 00:12:39,220 Anne: Joseph Smith had about 30, 33 wives. 263 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:40,620 Was very controversial, 264 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:42,520 even in the early days of the church. 265 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,430 Lindsay: When we have to abandon 266 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:55,170 this idea of polygamy, 267 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,070 there are still thousands of people 268 00:12:58,110 --> 00:12:59,410 that are living this principle. 269 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,940 What do you do with those people? 270 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:03,540 They don't just, like, disappear 271 00:13:03,580 --> 00:13:06,050 because the church says it's over. 272 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,750 Anne: Some of the plural families then 273 00:13:07,780 --> 00:13:09,720 were going to Mexico 274 00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:11,680 so that they would hopefully get away from 275 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,360 the legal persecution. 276 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:21,130 And some of the people went to what now is called Short Creek. 277 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,370 Lindsay: They have to go on this exodus 278 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,370 into the wilderness. 279 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:33,210 Short Creek is the wilderness. 280 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:38,780 They've got big vermillion cliffs on one side, 281 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:40,280 Grand Canyon on the other side. 282 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,080 It's the perfect place to hide out. 283 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,820 Mike: They went to isolated places 284 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:49,760 so they could continue what is the most fundamental 285 00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:52,790 and most important practice in their lives: 286 00:13:52,830 --> 00:13:56,930 plural marriage. 287 00:13:56,970 --> 00:13:58,970 And this little dusty town 288 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,830 morphed into the center 289 00:14:01,870 --> 00:14:05,000 of the practice of polygamy in America, and certainly 290 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,910 the most dramatic example of, in essence, 291 00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:12,580 a small cult called the FLDS Church. 292 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:20,420 Noel: The only way that the fundamentalists 293 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:21,820 could hold their religion, 294 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:24,690 they had to go into very isolated places. 295 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:28,960 And that's part of the context for Warren Jeffs. 296 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,100 Isolation worked for a long time for this community, 297 00:14:32,130 --> 00:14:33,830 but it became extremely difficult 298 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:35,100 to maintain. 299 00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:38,200 ( music playing ) 300 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,140 Roger: In 1953, there was a raid 301 00:14:40,180 --> 00:14:43,810 with law enforcement coming from Arizona on one side 302 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:45,650 and from Utah on the other side 303 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,350 to get this community 304 00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:49,020 and shut down plural marriage. 305 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:50,680 It was against the law. 306 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,050 Dowayne: My father was 307 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:55,190 a 15-year-old boy in the time of the raid. 308 00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:58,160 And so he saw a lot of the emotional trauma 309 00:14:58,190 --> 00:15:01,190 that was involved in that raid. 310 00:15:01,230 --> 00:15:03,500 At the time, Leroy Johnson, 311 00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:06,070 who was the Fundamentalist Mormon leader there in Short Creek, 312 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:10,400 his announcement to the Arizona Law Enforcement is, 313 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,740 "These sands will drink our blood 314 00:15:12,770 --> 00:15:15,140 before we're gonna give up our principles." 315 00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:24,220 Dr. Dan Fischer: After the raid of '53, 316 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:27,720 the people were taught to really live in secret. 317 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,990 In fact, my second mother, 318 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:33,490 she never came out of the house in the daylight 319 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:35,430 for 11 years. 320 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:40,070 They end up having extreme trust for each other 321 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:44,170 and very little trust for anybody else 322 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:47,640 because it was them against us, basically. 323 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,310 Brock: "Life" magazine published a bunch of pictures. 324 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:53,180 The fallout 325 00:15:53,210 --> 00:15:55,250 was very negative 326 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,180 about families being torn apart. 327 00:15:57,220 --> 00:16:00,720 Roger: It was a public relations disaster. 328 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,760 Arizona and Utah were burned so badly 329 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:06,360 that, for the most part, 330 00:16:06,390 --> 00:16:10,330 they looked the other way for years. 331 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:14,400 Mike: The fallout from all of that 332 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,300 basically inoculated the FLDS community 333 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:20,570 from any outside interference or involvement 334 00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:21,740 for decades. 335 00:16:21,780 --> 00:16:24,910 And in that vacuum, 336 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:27,150 I have always argued that Warren Jeffs 337 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:29,720 was a historic inevitability. 338 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:38,420 Flora: The first time I remember 339 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:40,560 interacting with Warren Jeffs, 340 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,460 I was maybe eight or nine. 341 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:47,770 And we were climbing the trees. 342 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,140 I was sitting up on a branch 343 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:50,800 and he's very tall. 344 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,910 And he come up and was standing there talking to us 345 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:54,240 looking up at us 346 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 and he's running his hand up my leg 347 00:16:57,710 --> 00:16:59,180 underneath my dress. 348 00:16:59,210 --> 00:17:02,280 Warren Jeffs was absolutely 349 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,750 abusing children from the get-go. 350 00:17:05,790 --> 00:17:08,290 ( film reel clicking ) 351 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,330 Roger: Soon after Warren Jeffs 352 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:14,160 graduated from high school, 353 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,960 he became the principal 354 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,230 of what's called the "Alta Academy," 355 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:23,170 where the FLDS kids living in the Salt Lake City area 356 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,970 went to school. 357 00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:26,810 And they were taught a religious curriculum 358 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,780 and Warren Jeffs was made the principal 359 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:33,350 at age 17 or 18. 360 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:36,020 Noel: His father felt this was a preparation 361 00:17:36,050 --> 00:17:37,720 for him for bigger things. 362 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:41,450 And Warren took that opportunity. 363 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:44,360 And so a young generation grew up knowing him 364 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:48,130 and seeing him as their leader. 365 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,000 Stand up and stretch, please. 366 00:17:51,030 --> 00:17:53,800 - ( children clamoring ) - Stretch time. 367 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,470 Your own strength. 368 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:57,740 Flora: He used the Alta Academy 369 00:17:57,770 --> 00:17:59,870 and all of the students 370 00:17:59,910 --> 00:18:02,180 as a means of perfecting 371 00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:04,580 his ability 372 00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:06,450 to control people. 373 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,980 ( music playing ) 374 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Dan: Warren Jeffs became 375 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:19,190 obsessed in trying to enforce 376 00:18:19,230 --> 00:18:22,200 such extreme dress codes and the like. 377 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,500 Having 'em stand on a chair to measure 378 00:18:26,530 --> 00:18:27,500 the length of the hem. 379 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:30,000 And so obsessed with 380 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,670 the color red, that nobody could wear red. 381 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:35,780 He had a craving for power. 382 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:37,280 We learned later 383 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:39,450 after getting out of there 384 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,520 of scary things that he put those young people through. 385 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,590 Noel: You have this incredible power 386 00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:51,420 and was grooming them 387 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:54,890 for his later pleasure. 388 00:18:54,930 --> 00:18:57,630 Warren: I trust today I'm talking to young ladies 389 00:18:57,670 --> 00:19:00,230 who are more spiritually minded. 390 00:19:00,270 --> 00:19:03,800 Ahead of you is the test of how you will get married. 391 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,870 Let the Lord reveal 392 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:07,710 the man that you belong to. 393 00:19:07,740 --> 00:19:09,640 ( music playing ) 394 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,880 Lindsay: He used scriptures 395 00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:12,080 and doctrine in theology 396 00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:14,810 to groom his victims. 397 00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:16,450 And I think that that was 398 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,950 more probably for Warren. 399 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:20,720 He needed a scriptural basis 400 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:21,990 for doing it. 401 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:24,090 What I noticed about him is that he-- 402 00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:26,790 my older sister was very, like, favored by him 403 00:19:26,830 --> 00:19:28,960 a lot, 404 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 but he didn't ever notice me. 405 00:19:32,970 --> 00:19:34,400 I mean, he acted like he didn't. 406 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,640 But I knew he did. 407 00:19:36,670 --> 00:19:40,470 He called in six of my sisters and brothers, 408 00:19:40,510 --> 00:19:41,970 and skipped me. 409 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:43,410 I'm just like, "Yeah, right." 410 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,650 You knew that I was the only one 411 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,010 you didn't call on. 412 00:19:47,050 --> 00:19:48,980 There was no way that you just 413 00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:51,720 didn't notice me at all, you know? 414 00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:53,620 And I knew it was a tactic. 415 00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:58,460 Brock: He knew exactly what he was doing, 416 00:19:58,490 --> 00:20:00,160 he preparing the young brides. 417 00:20:00,190 --> 00:20:02,860 And, as he rose in power and prominence, 418 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,560 he got to pick the ones that he wanted. 419 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,170 Sam: That was like his training ground, 420 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,000 he could setup anybody he wanted to, 421 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,440 go after anybody he wanted to, 422 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:16,710 and molest anybody he wanted to. 423 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:18,510 And in the meantime, he's starting to have 424 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:19,780 his own family. 425 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:28,250 ( camera shutter clicking ) 426 00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:32,460 Rachel: As the principal's daughter, 427 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:35,460 Father required us to be a good example 428 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:38,230 to the rest of the children in the school. 429 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:41,300 There was always some kind of spiritual teaching 430 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:44,200 to help us become better people. 431 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,810 ( music playing ) 432 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,010 As a child, we had a lot of fun times 433 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,810 with Father. 434 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,140 He sang with us a lot. 435 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:54,150 Warren: ♪ As a child I learned ♪ 436 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:56,050 ♪ That my mothers need ♪ 437 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,750 Rachel: He made it a point to 438 00:20:58,790 --> 00:21:00,090 take time with his children. 439 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,390 He was there for us. 440 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:04,320 Most of us were pretty close to him. 441 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,730 Warren: ♪ A young boy prayed ♪ 442 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,260 ♪ And opened up the heavens ♪ 443 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:11,860 Roy Jeffs: There was a lot of the wives having children, 444 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:13,770 and so there was always babies. 445 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,540 And we'd have a line of five or six high chairs at least. 446 00:21:16,570 --> 00:21:21,170 It was very lively. 447 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:23,410 I would give anything now to just spend a day with my mom 448 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,440 weeding a flower bed. 449 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,950 Most of my memories here are actually quite fond. 450 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:32,220 Rachel: There was a wonderful, fun, religious 451 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:35,720 yearning-for-us-to-be-good -people side of him. 452 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,220 And yet, I also got to experience 453 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:42,130 that he had a weakness. 454 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,570 I was at eight years old when he started his abuse. 455 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,870 It was like... 456 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:51,640 he was just two different people. 457 00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:55,640 He had taken me in one of the bathrooms 458 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,140 and he had said... 459 00:21:58,180 --> 00:21:59,980 he had said, "Don't ever do this." 460 00:22:00,010 --> 00:22:03,920 He was trying to teach me to never touch myself. 461 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:05,250 And then, at that point, 462 00:22:05,290 --> 00:22:07,390 I can't clearly remember 463 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:10,990 if he exposed himself to me 464 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:14,330 or if he touched me. 465 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:18,000 I just remember there was some sexual contact 466 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:21,100 and I was so confused. 467 00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:24,600 Rachel: I knew as a child that he was doing wrong. 468 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,810 And he also would tell me he was doing wrong. 469 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,680 It was like he couldn't help himself. 470 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:34,110 I don't think he wanted to be that way, but he was. 471 00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:35,580 'Cause most of the time, I mean, 472 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:36,980 I would always just think, 473 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:39,420 "Oh, Father won't be like that anymore." 474 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:40,490 But then it would happen again. 475 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,960 ( music playing ) 476 00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:46,530 Roy: From a young age, they teach, you know, the boys 477 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,200 that we're supposed to grow up and be men. 478 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:51,100 Women are inferior 479 00:22:51,130 --> 00:22:53,130 so we can't confess to women, 480 00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:57,140 so I couldn't talk to my mom about it. 481 00:22:57,170 --> 00:23:01,140 I never thought that it was anybody's fault but my own. 482 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:03,640 It was always my fault... 483 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,010 in my mind. 484 00:23:06,050 --> 00:23:08,310 Rachel: Everybody felt like he was a very good person. 485 00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:12,020 He was very good with his words and teaching, 486 00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:13,990 and explaining the gospel. 487 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:17,460 His abusive side was so hidden from the church 488 00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:18,520 and the world. 489 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,790 And that's why 490 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:23,830 being a victim of his abuse, 491 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:27,070 I knew that nobody would believe me if I ever told 'em 492 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:28,870 that he was doing that. 493 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:32,540 He played his part as a father very well and then... 494 00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:34,970 not as an abuser-- I mean, he played his part well 495 00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:39,040 as an abuser too, I should say, but... 496 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,250 yeah, there was two sides to him. 497 00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:52,090 ( music playing ) 498 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:54,330 Warren: ( over recording ) We come to third Nephi, chapter 12 now, 499 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,900 where the Lord himself appeared and gave 500 00:23:57,930 --> 00:24:00,330 the sinners the law, 501 00:24:00,370 --> 00:24:02,170 the keep sweet training. 502 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,940 And you will see we have always been taught 503 00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:06,270 to keep sweet. 504 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:08,410 Roger: The phrase "keep sweet" 505 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,280 was a phrase introduced by Rulon Jeffs, 506 00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:12,610 Warren Jeffs' father. 507 00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:16,650 "Keep sweet no matter what" means... 508 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,980 always have a smile on your face. 509 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:21,820 Flora: It's the polygamy mask. 510 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:23,960 You show to the outside world 511 00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:26,330 the happy face. 512 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,660 And if you don't, 513 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:29,860 you're isolated, you're shunned, 514 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,130 you are locked up. 515 00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:34,130 You name it, you get it. 516 00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:35,800 Keep sweet mask. 517 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,540 Look at the eyes, though. 518 00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:43,510 Because the eyes will always tell you the truth. 519 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,980 Reporter 4: It is a community that has been frozen in time. 520 00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:52,820 They are fundamentalist Mormons, 521 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:55,150 excommunicated from the larger Mormon church 522 00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:58,420 because they continue to practice polygamy. 523 00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:00,990 ( music playing ) 524 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,230 Ron: After LeRoy Johnson died, 525 00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:12,040 there was a dispute as to who actually the key holder, 526 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:14,510 meaning the prophet. 527 00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:17,180 It was supposed to be that God came to the people 528 00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:18,740 and told them. 529 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:20,750 Well, that never happened. 530 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:24,980 Flora: Rulon Jeffs was LeRoy Johnson's accountant. 531 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:28,590 He saw an opportunity to grasp the mantle. 532 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:31,390 He grabbed it with both hands and ran with it. 533 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:34,860 Anne: When Rulon Jeffs came into power, 534 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,830 he became much more controlling 535 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,000 and so the people accepted that 536 00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:40,600 because that was their role, 537 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,470 they thought that was the role of a prophet. 538 00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:46,570 Mike: The prophet controls every aspect 539 00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:48,970 of life in Short Creek. 540 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,710 He controls the land. 541 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,550 He controls what you do. 542 00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:57,780 He controls, 543 00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:59,750 certainly, who you wed with. 544 00:25:59,790 --> 00:26:03,220 Ruby Jessop: When Rulon Jeffs was the prophet, 545 00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:05,920 my step-father called me into his office 546 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,400 and told me, it was time for me to be married. 547 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:14,030 I was just a child. 548 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:19,070 We drove to Caliente, Nevada. 549 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,880 They had a hotel there. 550 00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:31,550 They took us into this room 551 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:34,450 and they said, "We're only gonna do one at a time," 552 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:39,490 so the other two of us had to go sit out in the waiting room. 553 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:41,830 I was just scared. 554 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:45,630 ( sighs ) My sister went next. 555 00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:49,370 And I was the last one to go in and be married. 556 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:55,970 I was married at 14 to my step-brother. 557 00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:59,980 But you didn't wanna disappoint the prophet. 558 00:27:00,010 --> 00:27:02,510 ( music playing ) 559 00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:07,150 Sam: Warren's behavior, 560 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:08,850 in my opinion, 561 00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:10,460 is learned behavior. 562 00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:14,260 The mechanics of what he was able to do 563 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:18,730 were mimicked from his father. 564 00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:23,840 Tommy Steed: I remember my brother and my sister and my mom 565 00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:25,270 would go visit Rulon 566 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:27,310 once a year. 567 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,710 He would sit behind his desk 568 00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:33,880 with "Keep Sweet" engraved on the bottom of his shoe soles 569 00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:35,880 so that we could see. 570 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,650 Warren in every one of these meetings, 571 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:40,850 was always sitting right to the side of Rulon 572 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:42,290 with his little notepad. 573 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,330 Warren took very meticulous notes. 574 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,130 At the time, it was a protective, favorite son 575 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,870 looking out for the interests of his dad. 576 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:54,670 Looking back now, 577 00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:56,700 I see it for what it really was. 578 00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:01,710 Noel: The prophet's the most important person on the planet. 579 00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:03,810 And you might be the next person 580 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,850 who's gonna be that most special person. 581 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,680 That's a pretty hard thing not to 582 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,250 buy into, it feels very important. 583 00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:14,990 Ron: Warren was taking more control. 584 00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:17,020 He was trying to keep it hidden 585 00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:18,990 as much as he possibly could, 586 00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:21,490 but, yes, he was taking more and more control. 587 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:23,000 ( tape deck clicks ) 588 00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:25,660 Warren: Obey the prophet when he speaks 589 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:27,900 and you'll be blessed. 590 00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:29,800 Disobey him, 591 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,370 it is death. 592 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,420 Ron: Rulon had had three strokes, 593 00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:45,420 two of those strokes 594 00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:47,090 made him less able 595 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,460 to control his speech, his ability to 596 00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:52,090 run the church. 597 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:53,430 Richard: They had to walk him in 598 00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:55,630 with assistance. 599 00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:57,230 If you were sitting close enough 600 00:28:57,260 --> 00:29:00,630 to the front row of the congregational seating, 601 00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:03,270 you could actually tell that the man 602 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,040 was essentially an empty shell. 603 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:08,940 Brock: As his father became more ill, 604 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:10,710 Warren was in a position where 605 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:12,710 Warren's control increased. 606 00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:15,310 There was actually kind of a vacuum that was 607 00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:17,150 there for Warren to step into 608 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:18,580 and exert his authority through. 609 00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:20,820 Sam: Warren would put a microphone 610 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,390 on a lanyard around his father's neck 611 00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:26,960 and then ask his father to speak in church. 612 00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:31,160 Rulon would just stand there for five, ten minutes 613 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,660 and not say a word. 614 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,800 That was Warren setting himself up. 615 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,070 Ruby: He would say 616 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,710 maybe one sentence. 617 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:44,540 "Listen to Warren speak my words. 618 00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:47,210 Warren is my mouthpiece." 619 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,220 ( music playing ) 620 00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:01,960 Dowayne: It was a big day. 621 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,530 It was a really big day. 622 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,600 It changed the landscape of that community. 623 00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:08,600 It changed the whole landscape of the whole... 624 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,340 effort there. 625 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:13,470 Mike: And you saw this extraordinary turnout 626 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:14,870 for the funeral 627 00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:17,980 of Rulon Jeffs. 628 00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:20,610 5,000 plus people assembling. 629 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:23,120 on the overcast day. 630 00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:27,990 Don Barlow: Time will tell if there is going to be 631 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:32,490 another leader like President Jeffs. 632 00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:35,860 Winston: It was interesting to see. 633 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:37,860 Most all of the speakers were trying to proclaim 634 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:39,230 who the new leader was. 635 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:41,830 A funeral is not the time and place 636 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:43,640 to do anything like that. 637 00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:45,170 ( music playing ) 638 00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:46,640 Sam: After his father died, 639 00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:49,880 Warren would stand up in meetings. 640 00:30:49,910 --> 00:30:52,740 For five minutes, he'd act like he was standing there listening, 641 00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:54,010 and then he'd say 642 00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:55,880 what his father had been telling him 643 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,350 from the other side. 644 00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:01,490 Ron: He started telling people that 645 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,820 his father is talking to him 646 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:07,960 and telling him to take so and so for wife. 647 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,700 Roy: One day, we got up 648 00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:19,070 and there was like seven of my grandpa's wives 649 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,610 standing right down the hall, 650 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,770 outside of my dad's door. 651 00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:24,880 Then he walked them upstairs 652 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:26,350 and introduced them to the whole-- 653 00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:27,580 he says, "These are my wives." 654 00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:30,350 Sam: He married 20 wives 655 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:32,280 from his father. 656 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,690 It was Warren saying, "I'm the boss, 657 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,190 I can do whatever I want, 658 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:38,890 and nobody better dare say a word about it." 659 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:41,890 Dowayne: It was not a traditional situation 660 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:44,630 for Warren to have those women marry him. 661 00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:47,300 So the alarm bells were going off. 662 00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:48,870 ( tape deck clicks ) 663 00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,540 Isaac Jeffs: I know Father's spirit 664 00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:52,770 and I know it is in Uncle Warren. 665 00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:54,370 I do not question it. 666 00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:55,810 Roy: He had one of his brothers, 667 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,810 Isaac Jeffs bare their testimony 668 00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:01,150 about how they had witnessed 669 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:05,380 Grandfather name my dad as the next prophet. 670 00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:09,220 Isaac: Warren is going to be the next leader of this people. 671 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:12,820 And he said that over and over again. 672 00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:14,290 Roy: That's kind of when it became known 673 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:15,490 to the rest of the people 674 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:16,900 that he was the next prophet. 675 00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:20,630 Mike: This guy is a conniving rat 676 00:32:20,670 --> 00:32:22,500 who seized power. 677 00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:25,500 Nobody was powerful enough to stand up to him. 678 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:27,710 Warren Jeffs was the prophet. 679 00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:29,910 The coup was complete. 680 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,120 it's not really quoted in any religious book. 681 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:42,820 It goes along the lines that, 682 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:45,060 "When a righteous king rules, 683 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:47,230 the people rejoice. 684 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:49,860 When a wicked king rules, 685 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:51,400 they mourn." 686 00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:53,930 ( music playing ) 687 00:32:57,870 --> 00:32:59,970 Elissa: At this point within the FLDS, 688 00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:02,070 the stakes were incredibly high. 689 00:33:02,110 --> 00:33:04,240 A lot of times in Warren's preaching, 690 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,010 he would bring the fact that the world was coming to an end 691 00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:09,850 and that we were preparing for that end. 692 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,850 Mike: To run a cult, you have to keep your cult followers always in fear 693 00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:17,860 of the outside world and the impending doom. 694 00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:20,090 "The end is coming, and get your house in line 695 00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:21,990 and show how faithful you are to me 696 00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:23,630 and do everything I tell you." 697 00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:26,500 And that's what buys obedience. 698 00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:33,110 Rachel: I feel like, at first, 699 00:33:33,140 --> 00:33:36,510 Father didn't really feel like he was worthy. 700 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:38,840 But when everybody turned to him, 701 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,680 I think he suddenly wanted it. 702 00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:44,250 And then I think he just started wanting it more and more. 703 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,190 Winston: Warren was enjoying the attention that he was getting. 704 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,190 You could tell. 705 00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:53,260 You know, he soon put on his father's shoes 706 00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:55,060 that had "Keep Sweet" on the bottom of 'em. 707 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,200 Noel: I think what we see 708 00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:59,560 is a great deal of narcissism. 709 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,370 Narcissism is a trait in which 710 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:09,070 a person develops a grandiose false sense of self. 711 00:34:09,110 --> 00:34:11,980 One doesn't have to acknowledge one's weaknesses, 712 00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:13,580 one always is above all of that. 713 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,150 Mike: Warren was always 714 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:23,790 behind big walls 715 00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:25,120 and gated mansions, 716 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,930 protected by bodyguards. 717 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,160 He was always secretive. 718 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000 Briell: He's very manipulative, like, 719 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:34,470 in every way. 720 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:35,770 He wants to show he's humble, 721 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,570 but yet he has this gigantic house. 722 00:34:39,170 --> 00:34:40,570 He wanted people to think 723 00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:42,710 the Lord just gave him everything. 724 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:57,020 Roy: We lived off the church, we didn't work. 725 00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:00,760 We lived off of tithing... 726 00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:02,660 and contributions to the church. 727 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,200 ( music playing ) 728 00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:09,800 Sam: At first it was give their 10%, 729 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,970 but then Warren commanded another $500 730 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:14,940 on top of that. 731 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,710 And that 500 jumped to about a 1,000. 732 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:20,350 Then that 1,000 jumped to 2,000. 733 00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:23,050 Then it gets to the point where Warren wants it all 734 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,650 and he'll distribute your just wants and needs 735 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:30,020 Richard: I don't think he gave two ( bleep ). 736 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:32,120 What did the man really want? 737 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,030 He was lustful for greed, 738 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:35,790 the greed of money and the greed of power 739 00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:38,130 and more and more and more. 740 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,730 Mike: At one point, they bankrupted the school district, 741 00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:42,400 pulled all their kids out of school, 742 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,800 but continued to loot the school district, 743 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,170 bought themselves an airplane. 744 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,180 Sam: Talking to people 745 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:58,080 and getting people's feelings that were around at that time, 746 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,420 he becomes more cloak and dagger-ish, 747 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,920 he becomes, like, more paranoid. 748 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,460 ( music playing ) 749 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:12,860 Sean Keveney: There are cameras all over town. 750 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,270 People are constantly under surveillance 751 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,370 and there's a direct link between 752 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,870 church security 753 00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:20,670 and the Marshal's office. 754 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:21,840 Mike: The cops up the there, 755 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,240 the sworn police officers, 756 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,940 their allegiance has always been to protecting Warren. 757 00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:28,280 We believe in plural marriage. 758 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,980 Are you a polygamist? 759 00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:31,820 I'm not gonna answer that, it's none of your business. 760 00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:41,260 Winston: I think Warren enjoyed 761 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,030 that cat and mouse game. 762 00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,600 He enjoyed knowing what people were doing without them knowing. 763 00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,370 He enjoyed recording people. 764 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,870 He enjoyed spying on folks. 765 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:54,370 He showed me once the security command post 766 00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:57,880 that had every room monitored, 767 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:58,880 including the guest house. 768 00:36:58,910 --> 00:37:00,950 that I was staying in. 769 00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:03,920 And I never went back. ( chuckles ) 770 00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:08,790 Briell: There was cameras. 771 00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:10,120 There definitely was. 772 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,720 I didn't know that at the time, 773 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,960 but there was definitely cameras. 774 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:14,930 It was all about himself, 775 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,130 what he could experience, 776 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,230 what he could control. 777 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:21,230 Noel: Warren Jeffs could do whatever he wants. 778 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,400 He was viewed as a prophet with a prophetic gift, 779 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,100 he was inspired by God, 780 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:28,410 so what he said had the authority of God. 781 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,440 Sam: He even has wives taking notes 782 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,350 of things that he says and does 783 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,180 when he's sleeping. 784 00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:40,790 And comes up with these crazy, grandiose revelations. 785 00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:46,790 Brock: The problem with that is that Warren 786 00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:49,690 can have a revelation saying that, 787 00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:52,030 based on a bad dream, that somebody was evil. 788 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,130 And even though it's not true, 789 00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:55,830 that person is exiled from the community 790 00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:58,440 and cut off from all their family and friends. 791 00:37:58,470 --> 00:38:01,810 Dowayne: He picked out men that had large families 792 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,340 men that had stature in the community. 793 00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:08,750 He particularly picked them out and destroyed them. 794 00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:11,980 He didn't waste any time to take care of me. 795 00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:18,860 Warren called me up and he asked me 796 00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:20,730 if I could bring all my wives 797 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,830 and meet with him at his father's home. 798 00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:25,700 That afternoon I says, "Sure." 799 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:26,970 He says, "How soon can you be here?" 800 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:31,170 He put me on one side of the hall, 801 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,740 my ladies on the other side 802 00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:34,210 and then he handed me 803 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,010 my revelation that he, supposedly, had had 804 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,980 from God and he said 805 00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:43,350 I had plotted with other brethren 806 00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:46,680 to take Rulon's life. 807 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,890 That I was proud and aspiring 808 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,820 and he says, "Do you have any questions there?" 809 00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:54,230 And I looked at him and I says, 810 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:56,590 "So, if I say right here and now 811 00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:58,230 that I'm guilty of all these things, 812 00:38:58,270 --> 00:39:02,030 that... that's all I need to do?" 813 00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:04,700 He just laughed at me and said, "No." 814 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:08,010 And then he sent me home and told me gather up my stuff 815 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,440 and leave. 816 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,410 Sam: That's Warren's style; 817 00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:13,210 kick somebody out, discredit them, 818 00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:14,880 anything they say is a lie, 819 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,450 and accuse them of whatever you want. 820 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,880 Ron: All my wives, 821 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,420 they were told to not communicate 822 00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:22,290 with the children about me. 823 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,120 They were not to talk about me in any way, shape, or form. 824 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,590 I shed a lot of tears, 825 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:30,860 I had lost a lot of people that I was very close to 826 00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,300 and that I loved. 827 00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:34,070 I started all over again. 828 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,440 Lindsay: Instead of seeing him as a villain, 829 00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:40,070 I think Warren saw himself as an underestimated, 830 00:39:40,110 --> 00:39:41,140 underappreciated man. 831 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,880 And I think in so many ways, 832 00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:45,480 he proved everybody wrong. 833 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:52,080 Mike: Ruth, how old were you when you got married? 834 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,950 - 16. - 16 years old. 835 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:58,820 How old were you when you became pregnant with your first child? 836 00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:00,460 - 16. - 16. 837 00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:02,530 ( music playing ) 838 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,660 And this was an arranged marriage 839 00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:05,960 by the religious leaders of that town? 840 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,470 Yes. 841 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,100 There are really a handful of stories 842 00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:11,200 that changed the course of history 843 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,900 in this saga. 844 00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:17,440 And the day that Ruth Stubbs fled Colorado City 845 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,010 was one of 'em. 846 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:22,350 Turns out the man she was forced to marry 847 00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:24,980 was a cop, a sworn police officer 848 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:27,690 in Colorado City named Rodney Holm. 849 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,020 My name is Mike Watkiss. 850 00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:32,690 - I'm a reporter here in Phoenix. - I know who you are, sir. 851 00:40:32,730 --> 00:40:36,660 My understanding that you have teenage brides 852 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,000 and perhaps impregnated this young woman 853 00:40:40,030 --> 00:40:41,630 when it would be a statutory rape. 854 00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:45,400 We don't have anything to say except to the court. 855 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,140 Mike: Suddenly with Ruth 856 00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:48,870 and Rod Holm, 857 00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:50,640 we had a story that the outside world 858 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,880 couldn't ignore. 859 00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:54,850 Leave the girls that are underage alone. 860 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,550 Don't marry underage girls. 861 00:40:56,580 --> 00:41:00,080 Mike: Teenage girl, statutory rape victim, 862 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,190 a police officer 863 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:05,320 and Warren's fingerprints were all over this. 864 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,730 Warren is the one that performed the marriage. 865 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,430 Mike: Warren Jeffs performed your marriage 866 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:11,000 - to Rodney Holm? - Yes. 867 00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:13,030 Mike: You're 16 years of age 868 00:41:13,070 --> 00:41:15,100 and he marries you to a 32-year-old man 869 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,200 that he knows already has two wives? 870 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,940 - Ruth: Yes. - Mike: Utah 871 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:20,570 took Rod Holm to court, 872 00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:22,710 found him guilty of these crimes 873 00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:24,510 that had been going on forever. 874 00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:26,910 Soon as Rod Holm got sentenced, 875 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:29,380 I think Warren rightfully predicted, 876 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,450 "If they can come after a polygamous cop 877 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,520 because of a marriage I arranged, 878 00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:37,090 it's only a matter of time before they start coming after me. 879 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,920 Ruth: I think he's an evil man. 880 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,060 I don't any man of God 881 00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:42,790 would destroy people's lives, 882 00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:44,100 and take families away 883 00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:45,860 and marry them to other men... 884 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:47,030 like he's doing. 885 00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:48,700 So he knew he was in for it. 886 00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:51,240 ( music playing ) 887 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:55,470 Sam: At that point in time, 888 00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:57,980 there were no charges against Warren. 889 00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:00,240 But he's just kind of letting the people know 890 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,480 that he needs to be in the background, 891 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,580 he needs to be hiding, he needs to be on the run. 892 00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:10,220 He's going to the outside world 893 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:12,460 on the premise that God is having him 894 00:42:12,490 --> 00:42:14,830 go witness the evils of the world. 895 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,010 We thought it was for a really righteous reason 896 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,240 because he made it sound like it was. 897 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,610 But, at the same time, he wanted to have some fun 898 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:33,950 that he never had had. 899 00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:35,950 Sam: He went to Disneyland, 900 00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:38,320 went to the beaches in Florida. 901 00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:39,780 He's going to Mardi Gras 902 00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:42,150 and going to strip clubs. 903 00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:44,520 Lindsay: Becoming a prophet for Warren 904 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,630 probably offers him, you know, absolution to things. 905 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:52,960 You don't have to be responsible for your own sins if it's God. 906 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,830 If it's God telling you to do it, 907 00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:57,440 then you don't have to be accountable for that. 908 00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:59,300 Noel: Narcissists break rules a great deal, 909 00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:02,370 but they do it because they feel that they're important 910 00:43:02,410 --> 00:43:04,710 and special and nobody else is nearly important, 911 00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:06,980 so I think Warren Jeffs, 912 00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:08,880 a sense of "Anything goes 913 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,550 because I am the authority, 914 00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:12,080 I'm special, 915 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,750 that's a big part of what we see. 916 00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:22,190 Mike: The state of Arizona 917 00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:26,230 was the first to file charges against him. 918 00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:27,830 So Warren sent his lieutenants out 919 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:29,400 to start buying up these compounds 920 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,140 all over the United States 921 00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:34,370 because, suddenly, it was too hot in Utah and Arizona. 922 00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:38,110 ( music playing ) 923 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,850 Sam: Warren begins going around the country, 924 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,820 establishing these 925 00:43:43,850 --> 00:43:45,280 places of refuge. 926 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,890 Sean: The church had three 927 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,490 primary places of refuge. 928 00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:56,830 There was a compound in Pringle, South Dakota, 929 00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:58,830 Mancos, Colorado. 930 00:43:58,870 --> 00:44:01,900 There was also a ranch in Texas. 931 00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:03,500 The church then also used 932 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,940 an extensive network of rented safe homes 933 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:08,840 and trailers to move 934 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,080 church leaders and underage girls 935 00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:12,340 around the country. 936 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280 Dowayne: People in Short Creek, 937 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,280 we did not know that Texas existed, 938 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,520 we didn't know Colorado existed, 939 00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:23,690 we did not know that his settlement up in 940 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,360 South Dakota existed, 941 00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,530 it was such a shroud of secrecy. 942 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,730 Sam: Warren had everybody in Short Creek 943 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,260 run up their credit cards 944 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:33,970 and borrow money in bank accounts 945 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,370 and give everything they have to him, 946 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800 which was used to help build 947 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,810 these other places of refuge. 948 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,370 Dowayne: There was a tremendous amount of money being funneled to him. 949 00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:45,380 Vehicles, cash, lands. 950 00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:47,110 I had a home that was completely finished 951 00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:48,550 and got a call 952 00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:50,250 from Warren Jeffs to give it up 953 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,320 and move to another place. 954 00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:56,090 I moved to circumstances that were far less 955 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,120 than what I had. 956 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,660 We just determined, 957 00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:00,960 we're not gonna tie our heart strings 958 00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:02,630 to these physical things. 959 00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:05,260 What the hell did he care if they lost their homes, 960 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:06,460 their lands, their birthrights? 961 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:07,730 But it's okay 962 00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:09,470 because Warren said to do it 963 00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,270 and he's the prophet. 964 00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:12,970 Dowayne: It began to be 965 00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:14,940 the sand moving underneath our feet. 966 00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:19,280 Warren put the people on unsettled dirt. 967 00:45:19,310 --> 00:45:20,980 Roy: During that time, 968 00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:24,580 I was, you know, kind of in hiding off and on. 969 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:25,980 My dad 970 00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:27,350 kept saying, "You know, they're after us, 971 00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:28,950 they're trying to find you 972 00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:31,590 so they can hurt me," is what he would tell us. 973 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:34,160 And so we didn't so much as open the blinds 974 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:35,460 for like a month. 975 00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,930 Primarily, I was by myself 976 00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:41,530 in a camp trailer, just nobody around, 977 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:43,370 just desolate. 978 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,940 That was kind of my first experience of just 979 00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:48,210 brutal isolation. 980 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,440 I moved down to Texas 981 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,280 and we hardly ever got to see Father 982 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:55,150 because he was always runnin' from the law. 983 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,380 Sometimes he was there for a week, 984 00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:00,620 sometimes a month, sometimes one day, 985 00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:03,490 and then he was gone and we didn't know where he was. 986 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,790 But, even when he was runnin' from the law, 987 00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:09,660 he still governed the whole system. 988 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,960 He told us to get seven years-worth of grain. 989 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000 He had the temple built during that time. 990 00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:21,970 Father said Heavenly Father told him that 991 00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:24,740 the people would be driven out of Short Creek 992 00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:26,980 and he wanted a place for the people 993 00:46:27,010 --> 00:46:29,250 to be able to go to that were pure in heart. 994 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,420 Sam: FLDS have long said that 995 00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:34,820 they're living a higher order and they don't have need 996 00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:37,490 for temples. 997 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,990 I started seeing that foundation going and... 998 00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:41,590 that kind of signaled 999 00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:44,230 he was preparing for the end of the world. 1000 00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:45,730 And what that meant 1001 00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:49,370 to somebody as deviant and twisted as Warren, 1002 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,900 could be anything, and that's what bothered me. 1003 00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:57,110 I didn't know if Warren was planning another Jonestown, 1004 00:46:57,140 --> 00:46:58,610 if he was gonna be passing out Kool-Aid, 1005 00:46:58,650 --> 00:46:59,680 if he was gonna have 1006 00:46:59,710 --> 00:47:01,610 all these men gather there 1007 00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:02,910 and go out in a blaze of glory. 1008 00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:06,150 He was essentially saying, 1009 00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:09,120 This is where we're making our stand." 1010 00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:25,400 Mike: ( At that point,) 1011 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,310 Warren was definitely a man on the run, a fugitive. 1012 00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:31,740 And the community was bending over backwards 1013 00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:33,740 to do everything they could to sustain him, 1014 00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:35,680 to communicate with him on the road, 1015 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,280 to allow him to know that 1016 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,780 they completely loved him. 1017 00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:40,580 I'm Gary Tuchman with CNN. 1018 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,020 I just wanted to check with you, 1019 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,790 do you have any idea where Warren Jeffs is? 1020 00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:45,220 Any idea at all? 1021 00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:48,360 Do you know where Warren Jeffs is? 1022 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,870 What do you think of him? 1023 00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:04,840 Sam: I'm actively looking for Warren at the time. 1024 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,880 And sometimes I feel like I'm getting close, 1025 00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:08,780 and other times I just, you know, I don't know where he's at 1026 00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:09,780 or what's going on. 1027 00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:11,820 'Course, I don't know 1028 00:48:11,850 --> 00:48:14,390 the depth of his depravity. 1029 00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:15,650 Roy: Every... 1030 00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:17,360 few months, I guess, 1031 00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:19,520 he would come home with another 16-year-old. 1032 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,730 He would page over the intercom, 1033 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,330 he would say, 1034 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,560 "Everybody come down to the dining room, 1035 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,400 meet a new family member." 1036 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,670 So we'd all come down 1037 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,540 and, you know, say hi. 1038 00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:35,810 I think the youngest he went was 11, 1039 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680 going on 12. 1040 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:41,510 Rachel: I read a little entry he wrote 1041 00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:44,350 in his journal about... 1042 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:46,550 his young, underage wives. 1043 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:51,020 He said, "The Lord wants me to take these wives 1044 00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:53,060 at a young age to teach and train them 1045 00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:56,090 and guide them through boy troubles." 1046 00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:57,330 And then he wrote, 1047 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,430 "I will just be their boy trouble." 1048 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,340 Alyshia Blackmore: He was very kind to me. 1049 00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:10,710 I mean, he took special interest in me, I felt like. 1050 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:13,980 I was only five years old and... 1051 00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:16,650 I liked him, I liked him a lot. 1052 00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:24,190 My two older sisters were married to him. 1053 00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:27,760 He told me that I was a very special spirit 1054 00:49:27,790 --> 00:49:31,100 and that the devil was seeking to take my life. 1055 00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:32,900 And I didn't understand that. 1056 00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:40,640 I believed in God and in... 1057 00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:43,210 very much a spiritual side of life. 1058 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,640 And I wanted to be saved. 1059 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,110 But being so young, I could hardly wrap my mind 1060 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:49,550 around it all. 1061 00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:50,950 Right after we got married, 1062 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:52,820 then we were automatically in hiding. 1063 00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:56,790 We didn't go outside a lot. 1064 00:49:56,820 --> 00:50:01,130 We were mostly just supposed to stay in the house and not be seen. 1065 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,560 In my mind, 1066 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,330 I was trying to prove worthy of this greater blessing. 1067 00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:08,770 All the children, 1068 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,970 and they, you know, immediately 1069 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,440 started calling me Mother, 1070 00:50:11,470 --> 00:50:13,640 and that was very different to me. 1071 00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:17,070 ( chuckles ) Most the children were older me. 1072 00:50:17,110 --> 00:50:20,340 But I got used to it. 1073 00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:22,080 I definitely wanted to be a mom. 1074 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,080 At the same time, 1075 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,250 I really wanted to be a kid 1076 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,280 while I was a kid. 1077 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,120 ( laughter ) 1078 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:29,320 I mean, I just really did, 1079 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,090 I never let go of that. 1080 00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:33,890 ( laughter ) 1081 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,800 On the outside, I was a very happy person. 1082 00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,760 This is the hairspray commercial. 1083 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,370 But, to not have any contact 1084 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,700 with former family and friends, 1085 00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:49,470 that kind of felt like I just fell off the edge of the world 1086 00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:52,280 and, so I basically just buried my feelings 1087 00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:54,040 and... lived. 1088 00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:05,460 Mike: Warren became the Caligula 1089 00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:07,730 of the court of polygamy. 1090 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,000 Bad practices got more perverted. 1091 00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:14,300 And younger girls got forced into these marriages, 1092 00:51:14,330 --> 00:51:15,300 And boys 1093 00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:16,900 were cast aside. 1094 00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:20,200 ( music playing ) 1095 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,810 Dan: Like any other society, there will be 1096 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,910 one half boy babies born 1097 00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:26,380 and one half girl babies born. 1098 00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:27,980 It means that 1099 00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:31,080 a whole lot of males are never gonna get married. 1100 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,080 How are they going to continue this practice of plurality 1101 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,350 of wives forever if they don't thin the herd? 1102 00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:40,260 I mean, the math doesn't work. 1103 00:51:40,290 --> 00:51:41,830 Mike: You've gotta get rid of 1104 00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:44,260 a lot of the young men. 1105 00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,560 And Warren established a very effective 1106 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,700 social architecture to deal with getting rid of the boys. 1107 00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:57,340 Roger: You can imagine how much pressure 1108 00:51:57,380 --> 00:52:01,550 is on a parent... 1109 00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:03,580 to take their son 1110 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,580 and drive them 50 miles away, 1111 00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:07,920 and drop them off and say 1112 00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:10,690 "You are never to contact us again." 1113 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,120 And they did that, 1114 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,060 over and over and over again. 1115 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,030 Newscaster: Rich was expelled from the community 1116 00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:21,300 when he was 20 years old. 1117 00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:23,030 Richard: I had no driver's license, 1118 00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:24,740 no real life skills, 1119 00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:26,740 they're not old enough to be lawfully employed. 1120 00:52:26,770 --> 00:52:30,370 Add to that the fear that everyone 1121 00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:32,040 out there that wasn't from home, 1122 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,310 that wasn't part of your church 1123 00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:35,480 was going to do something 1124 00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:38,050 intentionally to harm you. 1125 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,080 Who do you go to for help? 1126 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:43,790 Tommy: My mom, 1127 00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:45,960 she had... 1128 00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:47,990 a history of being a little bit rebellious. 1129 00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:51,630 So I was never really, truly openly accepted 1130 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:53,430 by Warren Jeffs. 1131 00:52:53,470 --> 00:52:55,600 One of my uncles, 1132 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,400 he had arranged a meeting with me and Warren 1133 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,100 at the print shop. 1134 00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,270 That's when Warren told me 1135 00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:03,570 I wasn't welcome to church. 1136 00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:06,440 and... that was it, out. 1137 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,810 After I stood up to leave, 1138 00:53:09,850 --> 00:53:12,820 he just casually let me know that 1139 00:53:12,850 --> 00:53:15,320 I wouldn't be allowed into Heaven. 1140 00:53:15,350 --> 00:53:19,320 That was probably the darkest day of my life 1141 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,890 considering I believed him, 1142 00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:24,030 I was convinced I was going to Hell. 1143 00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:29,930 I got in my little, crappy pickup truck 1144 00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:31,540 and I... 1145 00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:36,470 got out of that town as fast as I could. 1146 00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:37,940 I didn't know where to go. 1147 00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:39,880 I had nothing. 1148 00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:43,850 The world outside is against me and... 1149 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,080 the only thing that I knew 1150 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,720 I was cut off from. 1151 00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:55,730 It was only another couple months after I was kicked out 1152 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,560 that I started seeing this wave after wave 1153 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,200 of other boys, 1154 00:54:01,230 --> 00:54:03,870 just showing up. 1155 00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:08,410 Dan: It went from what was called a wave in the late '90s 1156 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,910 to what became a flood there for awhile. 1157 00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:13,910 I knew that something had to be done. 1158 00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:16,510 Roger: Dan Fischer was born and raised 1159 00:54:16,550 --> 00:54:18,320 in the FLDS community, 1160 00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:21,820 had three wives, and ended up leaving. 1161 00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:22,920 He and his wife 1162 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,660 had done tremendous things 1163 00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:29,290 to help people who had been kicked out of the FLDS. 1164 00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:34,230 Dan: We went public on the steps of the Capitol. 1165 00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:37,200 with some 70 of these boys. 1166 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,100 Reporter 5: Some of the so-called "lost boys," 1167 00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:40,100 all banished by Jeffs, 1168 00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:42,210 told their stories. 1169 00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:48,010 Dan: Hundreds of boys, 1170 00:54:48,050 --> 00:54:49,850 aged 13 and above, 1171 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,880 have fled or been expelled 1172 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,780 from this society. 1173 00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:58,520 And at the demand of its fanatical leader, 1174 00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,720 Warren Jeffs. 1175 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,290 Tommy: Dan made it his mission 1176 00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:02,960 to help these boys who were exiled with nothing. 1177 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,300 Dan: Nobody else 1178 00:55:05,330 --> 00:55:09,300 had both a knowledge of what was going on, 1179 00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:11,140 the financial resources, 1180 00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:14,270 and the understanding to do it. 1181 00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:18,810 And you either accept that or you don't. 1182 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,380 It's... pretty damn simple. 1183 00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:25,320 Even though very uncomfortable, 1184 00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:27,890 it's pretty damn simple. 1185 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,920 We wanted to take Warren out of power. 1186 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,620 Even after he was on the run, 1187 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:34,990 he was still destroying families, 1188 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:37,290 removing people from their homes. 1189 00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:40,630 Roger: Warren Jeffs had absolute control 1190 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:42,570 over the homes of the people. 1191 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,830 And so 1192 00:55:43,870 --> 00:55:46,140 the Lost Boys decided to 1193 00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:47,910 go after the land. 1194 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:48,970 Dan: And so, 1195 00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:52,110 we came to realize that 1196 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:53,680 there could and should be a court case 1197 00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:56,950 brought against the ownership 1198 00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:58,020 of the properties. 1199 00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:00,220 And that was Warren Jeffs. 1200 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,690 So the court case was filed. 1201 00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:09,030 Warren Jeffs came out 1202 00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:11,160 with the mandate that, 1203 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,160 "We will answer them nothing." 1204 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,700 And basically saying, "We're above the laws of the land, 1205 00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:19,300 we answer to a higher power." 1206 00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:23,810 He mandated that there'd be no response 1207 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,780 from his attorneys, that they not show up in court. 1208 00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:27,880 Tommy: Warren had thought 1209 00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:30,280 the veil of religious freedom, 1210 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,820 protection was enough. 1211 00:56:32,850 --> 00:56:36,120 That there would be no judgment against him. 1212 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,660 I mean, this is the first time this has happened. 1213 00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:40,360 No one had blatantly came out 1214 00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:43,390 and tried to sue them like that. 1215 00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:46,560 We showed up with to court with our counsel. 1216 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,470 And what happens when you go to court and only one side's there? 1217 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:51,070 The side that showed up won. 1218 00:56:58,010 --> 00:57:00,710 Mike: He still had thousands of followers 1219 00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:02,350 and millions of dollars 1220 00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:04,150 to run on. 1221 00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:05,580 But his world 1222 00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:07,820 was starting to shrink, 1223 00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:10,750 his powers were starting to be curtailed. 1224 00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:14,020 It was really the beginning of the end for Warren Jeffs. 1225 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:29,310 Elissa: I was born into a polygamous family, 1226 00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:31,170 24 children and three mothers. 1227 00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:35,180 I knew marriage was a part of my future. 1228 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:36,650 I dreamed of it, 1229 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,420 I prayed for it, 1230 00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:39,850 I did all the perfect things 1231 00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:41,650 that a perfect prissy girl would do 1232 00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:42,750 to prepare themselves 1233 00:57:42,790 --> 00:57:44,350 for marriage. 1234 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:45,760 But I was young, 1235 00:57:45,790 --> 00:57:47,390 I was 14. 1236 00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:49,060 Brock: And up to that point, 1237 00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:51,330 it had been very difficult to actually find a witness 1238 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,000 who was willing to talk. 1239 00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:56,100 I met Elissa Wall one night at a restaurant. 1240 00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:59,870 As we had dinner, she told me her story. 1241 00:57:59,910 --> 00:58:01,840 Usually when a girl is to be married, 1242 00:58:01,870 --> 00:58:04,270 they're excited, they're happy, 1243 00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:06,180 and they're just so lucky and blessed 1244 00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:08,080 to have the prophet love them enough 1245 00:58:08,110 --> 00:58:10,010 to find a place for them to be married. 1246 00:58:10,050 --> 00:58:12,520 Then I learned that I was to marry my first cousin, 1247 00:58:12,550 --> 00:58:14,020 Allen Steed. 1248 00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:17,150 And I had a very deep hatred for him. 1249 00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:22,190 I remember going to Caliente in Nevada. 1250 00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,530 There was a hotel that was owned by 1251 00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:29,870 by a member of the FLDS there. 1252 00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:33,140 I broke down for a moment to my mother and I just said, 1253 00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:34,710 "I can't do this. 1254 00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:36,940 I cannot do this, Mom." 1255 00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:39,980 And she, as a good FLDS mom, 1256 00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:41,550 "Yes, you can. 1257 00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,710 And you will." 1258 00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:46,280 ( music playing ) 1259 00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:53,090 We were taught from a very young age 1260 00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:55,260 deep religious beliefs 1261 00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:57,160 about what it meant to be a woman. 1262 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,560 A woman's job 1263 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,630 was to ultimately become married to a man, 1264 00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:03,270 hopefully with many wives, 1265 00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:04,530 and to have children. 1266 00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:07,340 A woman cannot go to Heaven 1267 00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:08,770 on her own, 1268 00:59:08,810 --> 00:59:11,580 she has to be sealed to a man. 1269 00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:14,510 And meant to listen 1270 00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:16,280 to whatever the husband said. 1271 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,920 He was the connection to my salvation. 1272 00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:23,990 There's that moment of me walking down the stairs 1273 00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:27,860 in this beautifully crafted wedding dress 1274 00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:30,490 that any other girl, it seemed in the community, 1275 00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:32,260 would be so happy to be wearing. 1276 00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:36,230 For me, it really felt like I was dressed to face death. 1277 00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:40,600 I really wanted to die. 1278 00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:49,180 At the end of the ceremony, Warren took both of our hands 1279 00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:51,450 and looked me in the eye and he said, 1280 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,150 "Now go forth and multiply and replenish the Earth." 1281 00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:58,960 I don't remember much of the drive back, 1282 00:59:58,990 --> 01:00:00,320 I just kept seeing Warren's eyes 1283 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,730 in my head over and over and over, 1284 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,230 wondering... what was next. 1285 01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:12,200 About three years into my marriage to Allen... 1286 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,300 it was hell. 1287 01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:15,070 It was abusive, 1288 01:00:15,110 --> 01:00:18,580 both physically, mentally and sexually. 1289 01:00:18,610 --> 01:00:22,580 And Warren knew what's happening in this relationship 1290 01:00:22,610 --> 01:00:24,050 that he had put together. 1291 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,820 I often just begged for release. 1292 01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:30,820 And within the FLDS, that is, in essence, a divorce. 1293 01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:32,520 ( phone ringing ) 1294 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,660 One day, Warren called in 1295 01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:36,860 and he told me that I was evil 1296 01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:38,600 and a wicked person. 1297 01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:40,230 In our teaching, we had been told 1298 01:00:40,270 --> 01:00:42,100 quite a bit about blood atonement. 1299 01:00:42,130 --> 01:00:45,600 Someone who had committed the worst crimes 1300 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,740 could atone for those crimes 1301 01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:49,510 by giving their own life. 1302 01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:50,910 We would lay on altar 1303 01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:52,780 and have our throat slit 1304 01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:54,010 and we would be giving God 1305 01:00:54,050 --> 01:00:55,210 the gift that he gave us, 1306 01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:56,450 which is the gift of life 1307 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,710 in atonement for our sins. 1308 01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:59,950 I remember Warren said 1309 01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:01,720 that that was my only saving grace. 1310 01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:05,790 This would lead 1311 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:07,390 to giving me the courage 1312 01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:10,060 to just make the leap, to run. 1313 01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:13,560 We had a very compelling case because we had 1314 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,070 a courageous young woman 1315 01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:18,540 who was articulate, sincere 1316 01:01:18,570 --> 01:01:20,470 and there was corroborating evidence for. 1317 01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:22,970 So everything we looked for in terms of building a case 1318 01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:25,410 we had for the very first time. 1319 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,710 The criminal charges allege 1320 01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:30,250 that Mr. Jeffs encouraged, 1321 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,150 commanded, 1322 01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:33,980 aided, abetted another 1323 01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:35,920 to have sexual intercourse 1324 01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:38,990 with a victim between the ages 14 and 18 1325 01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:41,930 without her consent. 1326 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,960 At the time, Warren was on the lam, 1327 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,100 so Elissa Wall tipped the balance for the FBI 1328 01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:51,940 and they put Warren Jeffs on the FBI Most Wanted List. 1329 01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:53,340 Larry King: Good evening. 1330 01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:55,110 Over the weekend, Osama bin Laden, 1331 01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:56,840 and eight other men were joined 1332 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,480 on the FBI's Most Wanted List by Warren Jeffs. 1333 01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:01,950 Reporter 6: The FBI considers him armed and dangerous 1334 01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:04,920 and he's allegedly known for crimes against children. 1335 01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:07,850 We had the FBI come to our house a couple times. 1336 01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:10,120 When they showed up, 1337 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,290 it created such a hatred for them 1338 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,690 because we felt like they were always 1339 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:15,330 trying to get us and hurt us. 1340 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,860 Anderson Cooper: Warren Jeffs hasn't been seen 1341 01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:18,530 in more than a year. 1342 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,500 The FBI has been searching for him since June 1343 01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:22,370 on charges of fleeing prosecution 1344 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,370 in Arizona. 1345 01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:29,540 Elissa: There was that fateful day. 1346 01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:31,510 I remember 1347 01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:32,980 we turned the TV on and there, 1348 01:02:33,010 --> 01:02:35,510 all over every channel was news coverage 1349 01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:37,050 that Warren had been caught. 1350 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,220 I'd like to announce the arrest 1351 01:02:39,250 --> 01:02:43,390 of FBI Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitive, Warren Steed Jeffs. 1352 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,560 It was just a routine traffic stop 1353 01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:48,530 by a Nevada Highway Patrol. 1354 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,060 Reporter 7: He was arrested near Las Vegas late Monday. 1355 01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,060 He'd been on the run for two years. 1356 01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,130 Mike: He was riding around 1357 01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:55,630 in a big, fancy Escalade 1358 01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:58,540 with all kinds of money, 1359 01:02:58,570 --> 01:03:01,540 and communication devices, and wigs. 1360 01:03:01,570 --> 01:03:03,510 One of his cute, little wives and his brother 1361 01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:06,580 were basically running around the world seeing Disneyland. 1362 01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:09,350 Dowayne: It was more shocking to me 1363 01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:11,480 that he was arrested with Isaac and Naomi 1364 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,320 in the gentile clothing. 1365 01:03:13,350 --> 01:03:15,850 And I think that anybody that was watching that circumstance 1366 01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:18,720 saw the hypocrisy of it. 1367 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,990 I did. 1368 01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:22,360 Briell: I think he would've ran 1369 01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:24,730 as long as he could've and as far as he could've. 1370 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,730 But I do think he knew he was going to be caught. 1371 01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:30,770 We didn't think that Father would get arrested, 1372 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,940 he always told us that the Lord would protect him. 1373 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,570 For us, it was the saddest thing in the world. 1374 01:03:37,610 --> 01:03:40,840 It seemed like the whole religion went into prison. 1375 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,710 We did a lot of fasting and... 1376 01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:44,850 you know, just praying for him, 1377 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,450 and that he'd be strengthened, 1378 01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:49,420 and the Lord would bless him and help him through. 1379 01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:53,090 ( camera shutters clicking ) 1380 01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:54,720 Brock: Warren was arrested in Nevada 1381 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,190 so he was held in Las Vegas. 1382 01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:58,930 And two of my deputies went down 1383 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,200 to do the paperwork with regard to transferring him. 1384 01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:04,600 It was a simple hearing, nothing was involved, 1385 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,370 and there were mobs of cameras. 1386 01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:08,570 ( camera shutter clicking ) 1387 01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:09,970 And that was when we first realized 1388 01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:13,140 this is gonna be a different prosecution for us. 1389 01:04:13,180 --> 01:04:15,250 Judge: Okay, what would you like to do? 1390 01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:21,450 You wanna waive your rights in regards to extradition 1391 01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:23,750 and go back as quickly as they can have-- 1392 01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:25,620 that they can come pick you up? 1393 01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:26,990 All right. 1394 01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:28,430 Brock: I immediately called Elissa 1395 01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:29,990 and said, 1396 01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:32,330 "It's happening. It's on." 1397 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,100 ( music playing ) 1398 01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:57,250 Sean: While Warren Jeffs was incarcerated 1399 01:04:57,290 --> 01:04:59,360 at Purgatory Correctional Facility in Washington County, 1400 01:04:59,390 --> 01:05:03,590 and awaiting trial on charges of rape as an accomplice, 1401 01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:06,730 he gave what has been called a confession. 1402 01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:15,470 Flora: I think he realized, 1403 01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:18,440 "Oh, ( bleep ). 1404 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,940 It caught up with me." 1405 01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:34,620 Noel: He had no limits within that small community. 1406 01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:37,490 Now, as soon as he got outside the community, 1407 01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:40,730 of course, no one acknowledged his legitimacy 1408 01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:42,970 or his authority. 1409 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,840 And I think that was a rude awakening. 1410 01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:47,800 He lost all of that control 1411 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,510 that he had always had. 1412 01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:04,820 Roger: That recording 1413 01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:06,760 was hidden, buried, 1414 01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:08,830 discredited. 1415 01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:11,030 People were told it was made up, 1416 01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:12,960 that he was drugged. 1417 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,330 In actuality, it was the one time he told the truth. 1418 01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:29,280 Brock: With the case pending, 1419 01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:31,610 the rules of ethics and evidence 1420 01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:33,820 didn't allow us to just go announce, 1421 01:06:33,850 --> 01:06:35,950 "Hey, world, look what Warren has said." 1422 01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:52,740 ( phone placed on receiver ) 1423 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,540 ( music playing ) 1424 01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:03,910 Reporter 8: The legal case against Warren Jeffs, 1425 01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:05,880 the leader of a polygamist religion or cult, 1426 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,350 is now underway in the state of Utah. 1427 01:07:12,490 --> 01:07:14,660 Brock: The trial was extraordinary 1428 01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:17,730 for Washington County. 1429 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,430 The security was out in force. 1430 01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:23,300 We had a great deal of concern about protecting Elissa. 1431 01:07:23,340 --> 01:07:26,300 She was in a Witness Protection Program, 1432 01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:29,110 we took great care to safeguard her 1433 01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:30,510 and make her feel comfortable 1434 01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:32,910 so that we could get our case to trial. 1435 01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,480 I mean, the case rose and fell on her, 1436 01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:37,250 and her ability to connect with the jury 1437 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,420 to convey the story as to what happened to her. 1438 01:07:40,450 --> 01:07:42,420 ( music playing ) 1439 01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:44,190 Elissa: The day of the preliminary hearing, 1440 01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:45,920 it was the first time 1441 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,830 that I would actually face Warren Jeffs. 1442 01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:53,660 I sat on that stand and I looked dead in Warren's eyes 1443 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:58,130 and I forced myself to hold eye contact. 1444 01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:00,140 I remember we sat there and stared at each other 1445 01:08:00,170 --> 01:08:03,270 for a good few minutes and, ultimately, 1446 01:08:03,310 --> 01:08:06,340 he shook his head and just dropped his eyes. 1447 01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:09,210 I had claimed my power 1448 01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:11,650 and I had claimed my freedom 1449 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,720 because he did not control me. 1450 01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:16,320 Judge: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we are back in session. 1451 01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:18,450 State of Utah versus Warren Steed Jeffs. 1452 01:08:18,490 --> 01:08:21,490 Mr. Jeffs is here with his counsel. 1453 01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:22,960 Roger: It's not easy 1454 01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:26,660 to convict somebody of accomplice to rape. 1455 01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:29,230 Especially when they're a religious leader 1456 01:08:29,270 --> 01:08:30,970 and the defense is 1457 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,670 he was just giving religious advice 1458 01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:33,700 to this couple. 1459 01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,840 Just marriage counseling, 1460 01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:37,410 trying to help them work out their problems 1461 01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,140 as husband and wife. 1462 01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:40,680 I don't believe that Warren Jeffs 1463 01:08:40,710 --> 01:08:42,680 has ever done anything wrong. 1464 01:08:42,710 --> 01:08:44,180 Roger: Well, it wasn't a husband and wife, 1465 01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:45,480 she was not married, 1466 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,750 it was an illegal marriage. 1467 01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:49,150 Elissa: I was... shocked 1468 01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:51,420 I was like, "No way I... 1469 01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:53,690 there is no way I'm going to marry that man. 1470 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,030 This entire time that I was there, 1471 01:08:59,060 --> 01:09:01,830 I was... I was crying. 1472 01:09:01,870 --> 01:09:03,470 And I just, I honestly just wanted to die 1473 01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:07,770 because I was so scared. ( sobs ) 1474 01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:15,910 Because I had two younger sisters 1475 01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:18,920 still in the FLDS... 1476 01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:21,720 I had the overwhelming realization 1477 01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:23,550 that what happened to me 1478 01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:26,460 would probably, most definitely happen to them. 1479 01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:28,520 ( music playing ) 1480 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,630 During the trial, 1481 01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,860 I had this picture of my two sisters. 1482 01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:37,570 And, every day, I would look at that. 1483 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,800 They gave me the courage I needed 1484 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,510 or allowed me to, at least, tap into the courage I possessed 1485 01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:44,910 and hopefully protect my sisters. 1486 01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:50,580 Judge: Has this jury reached a verdict? 1487 01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:52,820 - Foreman: Yes. - Judge: Would you hand that to the bailiff, please, sir? 1488 01:09:52,850 --> 01:09:55,590 Brock: Waiting for that verdict was not easy. 1489 01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:57,420 I mean, the work was done, 1490 01:09:57,460 --> 01:10:00,720 and now, everything we've done is out of our hands 1491 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,730 and in the hands of the jury. 1492 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,630 Judge: Mr. Jeffs, would you please stand 1493 01:10:05,660 --> 01:10:07,060 as the verdict is read? 1494 01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:11,270 Roger: We needed so desperately 1495 01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,400 to have Warren Jeffs held accountable 1496 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:17,170 to try and stop the damage he was doing to these people. 1497 01:10:17,210 --> 01:10:20,110 It could've gone either way, it was really tough. 1498 01:10:20,150 --> 01:10:23,780 You'd think that this would be an easy thing... you know? 1499 01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:25,080 But it wasn't. 1500 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,950 Bailiff: The defendant is guilty 1501 01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:28,690 beyond a reasonable doubt. 1502 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,320 Reporter 9: 51-year-old Warren Jeffs 1503 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,960 showed no emotion as the verdict was read. 1504 01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:38,490 Elissa: He didn't really let it faze him. 1505 01:10:38,530 --> 01:10:42,500 There was definitely a kind of a hushed silence. 1506 01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:45,870 I just started to cry because I knew that 1507 01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,670 my mother and thousands and thousands of other people 1508 01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:52,840 that loved Warren more than loved themselves, 1509 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,650 that this was going to be a shot to their heart. 1510 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,050 And it was a painful, conflicting moment of realizing 1511 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,020 that the right thing had happened... 1512 01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:03,920 but that the people were the ones to pay. 1513 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,460 ( music playing ) 1514 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,300 Brock: When you look back 1515 01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:14,800 at her courage 1516 01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:16,830 to overcome years of indoctrination 1517 01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:18,630 and say, "This just isn't right," 1518 01:11:18,670 --> 01:11:20,200 and to come and say, "I'm gonna say that 1519 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,070 the man who is the mouthpiece of God was wrong." 1520 01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:27,240 Her example will shine a light 1521 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,010 of hope for others. 1522 01:11:29,050 --> 01:11:31,650 That was really scary for her. 1523 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,650 Really scary. 1524 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,320 Talk about a hero. 1525 01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:37,720 When I was young, 1526 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,660 my mother taught me 1527 01:11:39,690 --> 01:11:43,930 that evil flourishes when good men do nothing. 1528 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,400 This has not been easy for us. 1529 01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:49,070 The easy thing would've been to do nothing. 1530 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,210 Brock: I have a picture of her standing there 1531 01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:00,610 alone in front of a microphone with all the cameras around. 1532 01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:04,750 She demonstrated enormous courage and fortitude. 1533 01:12:04,780 --> 01:12:06,950 She was definitely the right person 1534 01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:10,020 at the right time for the right job. 1535 01:12:10,050 --> 01:12:11,750 Without Elissa, 1536 01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:16,830 it's very probable that Warren wouldn't be in prison. 1537 01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:20,800 Reporter 10: Aboard this helicopter, 1538 01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:23,100 the man thousands believe is a prophet of God, 1539 01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:25,570 Warren Jeffs, being transported to jail 1540 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,100 as a convicted felon. 1541 01:12:27,140 --> 01:12:29,640 ( music playing ) 1542 01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:33,440 I was hopeful at the time that that would be 1543 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:35,340 a turning point for his people. 1544 01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:37,180 It didn't really turn out that way. 1545 01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:45,620 Reporter 11: Warren Jeffs, the leader of the largest 1546 01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:47,420 polygamist sect in North America 1547 01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:49,760 received two consecutive sentences 1548 01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:51,660 of five years to life. 1549 01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,560 Unfortunately, the story doesn't end when Warren goes to prison. 1550 01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:58,170 Elissa: At this point within the FLDS, 1551 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,270 the stakes were incredibly high. 1552 01:13:00,310 --> 01:13:03,210 They've lived their entire life in a state of 1553 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,710 horrific fear. 1554 01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:06,810 And now, the outside world 1555 01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:08,980 had the community under the microscope. 1556 01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:11,610 ( helicopter blades spinning ) 1557 01:13:11,650 --> 01:13:15,250 ( music playing ) 1558 01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:24,830 ( sobbing ) 1559 01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:26,830 They brought in their lines 1560 01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:28,360 of officers. 1561 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:29,670 "If you resist, 1562 01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:31,400 we will arrest you." 1563 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,240 I'm Rich Matthews in El Dorado, Texas 1564 01:13:34,270 --> 01:13:36,370 where authorities are serving a search warrant 1565 01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:38,370 on the compound of Warren Jeffs. 1566 01:13:38,410 --> 01:13:40,680 We knew about the compound in Texas. 1567 01:13:40,710 --> 01:13:42,410 Very secretive. 1568 01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:44,850 And we knew there was a lot going on down there. 1569 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,820 When they finally gained entrance, 1570 01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:48,050 they began to witness 1571 01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:49,520 young girls that were pregnant. 1572 01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:55,220 Elissa: Texas walked in prepared for what they were faced with. 1573 01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:58,160 They were under the impression there was a small amount of children 1574 01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,600 and they were just there to kind of investigate. 1575 01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:01,360 They really wanted to 1576 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,000 do the right thing. 1577 01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:04,530 And it was just kind of the snowball effect 1578 01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:06,240 that ultimately lead to all of the children 1579 01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:07,270 being removed. 1580 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:08,700 They ended up removing 1581 01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:10,510 463 children 1582 01:14:10,540 --> 01:14:12,010 from the YFZ Ranch. 1583 01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,280 Roger: The problem was 1584 01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:17,880 the optics publically were terrible. 1585 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,120 ( music playing ) 1586 01:14:21,150 --> 01:14:22,850 Elissa: If you parade sobbing mothers 1587 01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:26,190 on television, our natural instinct for viewers 1588 01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:28,390 are to say, "Oh, that's horrible," 1589 01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:30,030 without even thinking for a second 1590 01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:32,030 that there's a reason that they were taken away. 1591 01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:34,630 I want the world to know 1592 01:14:34,670 --> 01:14:37,800 that I forgive everybody. 1593 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,240 Woman: We want our children, they took 'em. 1594 01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:43,270 They didn't give us a chance to say goodbye. 1595 01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:46,310 Sam: They'd created this PR image 1596 01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:48,680 of the 1953 raid. 1597 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,780 And that's what they tried to recreate. 1598 01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:56,450 And in some sense, 1599 01:14:56,490 --> 01:14:58,250 they accomplished that. 1600 01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:04,090 Mike: The FLDS hierarchy 1601 01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:07,260 knows the optics. 1602 01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:09,330 They're good at seizing the moment 1603 01:15:09,370 --> 01:15:12,170 and presenting their victimization. 1604 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,940 Elissa: The timing of the Texas raid couldn't have been better 1605 01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:15,910 for Warren. 1606 01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:17,740 Sadly, it played right into his narrative. 1607 01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:20,840 Evil was trying harder than ever to take out 1608 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,110 the Lord's people. 1609 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,190 There are some disturbing new details 1610 01:15:32,220 --> 01:15:34,120 about what investigators have found 1611 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,430 during their now concluded search of that compound. 1612 01:15:36,460 --> 01:15:39,430 In this photo, crime scene technicians are seen 1613 01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:40,660 examining a bed 1614 01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:42,030 found in the temple. 1615 01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:43,630 A bed investigators say 1616 01:15:43,670 --> 01:15:45,940 maybe have been used to consummate marriages 1617 01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:48,300 between adult men and underage girls. 1618 01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:50,440 Reporter 12: Texas prosecutors are said to have 1619 01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:51,940 church marriage records, 1620 01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:54,280 photos, even DNA evidence 1621 01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:56,210 that Warren Jeffs had sex 1622 01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:57,950 with girls as young as 12. 1623 01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:06,960 ( music playing ) 1624 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,130 Mike: Mr. Jeffs, 1625 01:16:14,170 --> 01:16:17,730 did you rape those two girls? 1626 01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:20,840 Warren Jeffs decided he wanted to represent himself. 1627 01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:22,540 I can tell you with complete 1628 01:16:22,570 --> 01:16:26,210 conviction that that was a bad idea. 1629 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,950 He got up, talking about religious history 1630 01:16:29,980 --> 01:16:34,480 and the persecution of his people over the last 150 years. 1631 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,220 Your eyes glazed over. 1632 01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:38,520 Reporter 13: In his closing argument, 1633 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,160 Warren Jeffs stood silent, 1634 01:16:40,190 --> 01:16:43,430 staring at the jurors for 30 minutes, 1635 01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:47,600 speaking only once saying, "I am at peace." 1636 01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:49,070 Elaine Anderson: He's a pervert. 1637 01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,570 And the crazy thing is 1638 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,040 is he perverted his own religion. 1639 01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:58,210 Reporter 14: Warren Jeffs has been sentenced to life in prison. 1640 01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,380 Jeffs was convicted in Texas 1641 01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:03,350 of having sex with girls as young as 12. 1642 01:17:03,380 --> 01:17:04,950 He won't be eligible for parole until 1643 01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:07,120 he's at least 100 years old. 1644 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,960 Isaac: It was really hard to hear the sentence. 1645 01:17:16,990 --> 01:17:18,130 In my mind, 1646 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,800 I was like, "It'll never-- 1647 01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:20,930 it's never gonna be that long, 1648 01:17:20,970 --> 01:17:23,030 they have no way to hold him." 1649 01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:25,740 'Cause Father would tell us stories about, 1650 01:17:25,770 --> 01:17:27,440 in the Bible or stuff where 1651 01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:30,610 God delivered people from the hands of their enemies. 1652 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,580 He said that that could happen for him 1653 01:17:32,610 --> 01:17:36,080 if we were good enough for it to happen. 1654 01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:40,650 Warren: ♪ Sweet spirit of prayer ♪ 1655 01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:44,820 ♪ Sweet spirit of prayer... ♪ 1656 01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:47,390 Dan: Sad to say, after some amount of time 1657 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:50,460 his mother and some others go in 1658 01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:52,660 and convince him that he is the prophet. 1659 01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:55,230 And now he's back in being the prophet again. 1660 01:17:58,470 --> 01:18:00,470 Mike: His followers, they don't believe it. 1661 01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:01,900 They don't believe any of this stuff. 1662 01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:04,070 "I don't believe the confessions, 1663 01:18:04,110 --> 01:18:06,610 I don't believe that he's doing this." 1664 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,680 Noel: The follower wants to have somebody 1665 01:18:08,710 --> 01:18:10,110 to tell them who they are 1666 01:18:10,150 --> 01:18:11,780 and that they're special. 1667 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:14,780 The followers often sacrifice a great deal, 1668 01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:16,850 but, in return, they get this confidence 1669 01:18:16,890 --> 01:18:18,420 that they are different than all the evil people 1670 01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:19,860 out in the world today, 1671 01:18:19,890 --> 01:18:22,630 that they're God's special people. 1672 01:18:22,660 --> 01:18:24,030 Sam: In some ways, I think that 1673 01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:27,660 Warren is maybe even more effective 1674 01:18:27,700 --> 01:18:29,170 from behind bars 1675 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,130 than he was outside of prison. 1676 01:18:31,170 --> 01:18:34,470 In prison, he's a martyr. 1677 01:18:34,510 --> 01:18:35,870 And the people believe that 1678 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:39,010 he is there atoning for their sins, 1679 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,610 for their misgivings, 1680 01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:44,110 and that they need to try harder. 1681 01:18:44,150 --> 01:18:46,020 Alyshia: Basically, we blamed ourselves. 1682 01:18:46,050 --> 01:18:49,720 We knew it was because we didn't exert the faith 1683 01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:52,720 and we weren't worthy to have him among us 1684 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,720 and that's why the Lord took him away. 1685 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,490 That's... very much the mindset that we had. 1686 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,200 Sam: That is really the source of Warren's power, 1687 01:19:02,230 --> 01:19:05,500 is that loyalty and blind obedience. 1688 01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:12,170 ( music playing ) 1689 01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:14,140 Gabriel Dutson: I grew up in Colorado City, Arizona, 1690 01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:16,350 Short Creek. 1691 01:19:16,380 --> 01:19:18,280 My dad, 1692 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,650 he actually came out 1693 01:19:20,690 --> 01:19:24,350 and said that, um... 1694 01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:27,490 that he still believed in Warren Jeffs. 1695 01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:30,160 And I just didn't believe that. 1696 01:19:30,190 --> 01:19:32,130 So he just said, "Pack your things and go." 1697 01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:41,300 I have three little sisters that I can't say hi to, 1698 01:19:41,340 --> 01:19:43,110 not even "Hi." 1699 01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:44,710 And they don't even remember who I am 1700 01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:46,740 because you don't let me come around. 1701 01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:49,910 ( sniffles ) And now they're seven years old. 1702 01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:57,290 That I can't be a part of the family I grew up with. 1703 01:19:59,820 --> 01:20:01,620 Tommy: Warren's in jail 1704 01:20:01,660 --> 01:20:07,030 and he's still controlling that town. 1705 01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:08,700 It's kind of despicable 1706 01:20:08,730 --> 01:20:11,270 what he's still allowed to get away with 1707 01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:13,270 from behind bars. 1708 01:20:19,780 --> 01:20:22,480 The last time I took Warren Jeff's deposition 1709 01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:24,150 was in Palestine, Texas. 1710 01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:26,920 This is continued deposition of Warren Jeffs 1711 01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:29,690 taken on February 13, 2014. 1712 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,050 We're on the record at 2:08 p.m. 1713 01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:33,920 We wanted to give him a chance 1714 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,930 to maybe explain to the FLDS people 1715 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,730 and the public in general 1716 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,230 what he was thinking. 1717 01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:42,430 And give him a chance 1718 01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:45,130 to come clean. 1719 01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:46,540 Well, he didn't come clean. 1720 01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:57,710 All of a sudden, he's taking the Fifth Amendment. 1721 01:20:57,750 --> 01:21:00,420 I don't know how much guilt's there, 1722 01:21:00,450 --> 01:21:02,720 how much shame is there. 1723 01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:08,790 Sean: The fact that Warren Jeffs is incarcerated in Texas 1724 01:21:08,830 --> 01:21:12,590 has done nothing to diminish his control 1725 01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:15,530 over the everyday lives of FLDS members 1726 01:21:15,570 --> 01:21:16,900 How do you feel that he's in jail, 1727 01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:18,200 maybe for the rest of his life? 1728 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:19,570 I feel really bad. 1729 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,270 I love him, I know that he loves me. 1730 01:21:21,310 --> 01:21:24,440 Sean: He continues to serve as the prophet 1731 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,980 and, at least as of January 2016, 1732 01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:30,310 we had evidence that he continued 1733 01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:32,750 to direct the day-to-day operations of the church. 1734 01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:39,590 Including things like excommunicating individual members 1735 01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:41,160 and directing what women 1736 01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:45,260 should be placed with what caretakers. 1737 01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:47,830 The prison in Texas suspected 1738 01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:50,000 that Warren Jeffs' brothers were 1739 01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:52,600 were using hidden recording devices 1740 01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,140 to capture their weekly meetings with him. 1741 01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:58,170 Devices disguised as watches and pens. 1742 01:21:58,210 --> 01:22:00,780 Warren Jeffs was sending out coded letters. 1743 01:22:00,810 --> 01:22:03,810 A handful of trusted wives were the ones 1744 01:22:03,850 --> 01:22:06,020 who were able to unencrypt those letters 1745 01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:07,150 and get the messages back 1746 01:22:07,180 --> 01:22:08,720 to Short Creek. 1747 01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:12,620 Isaac: Father Calvin said, "Yes, 1748 01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:14,420 the work's not stopped, 1749 01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:16,260 and we're going to keep going. 1750 01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:18,490 Heavenly Father's guiding us how he wants, 1751 01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:19,860 so you need to stay focused." 1752 01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:22,100 Even though he was in jail, 1753 01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:25,100 he would tell us "I'm happier than I've ever been before." 1754 01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:27,100 Flora: There's no hardship on him. 1755 01:22:27,140 --> 01:22:28,800 What's changed? 1756 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,470 He's just not driving around, 1757 01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:33,010 kicking the dust off his boots. 1758 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:37,380 Right now, he still gets visits from his wives. 1759 01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:41,120 He's still feeding his doctrine to the people of the FLDS. 1760 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,130 Tommy: You can't just go into that town 1761 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,060 with an ice cream truck and get on a megaphone 1762 01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:57,630 and say, "What you believe is bull( bleep ), here's why." 1763 01:22:57,670 --> 01:22:58,970 You can't just list off the reasons. 1764 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,040 All you can really do is 1765 01:23:03,070 --> 01:23:05,810 show your support. 1766 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,080 And when they're ready to 1767 01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:09,810 make that step to come out, 1768 01:23:09,850 --> 01:23:11,850 all you can do is be there for 'em. 1769 01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:17,220 Dan: It takes generations to overcome, 1770 01:23:17,250 --> 01:23:19,320 but you believe to your core. 1771 01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,560 Just as it takes generations to instill 1772 01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:24,930 new cores for future generations. 1773 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,200 Dr. Fischer actually pays for my books in college. 1774 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,070 They gave us the possibility 1775 01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:37,370 for a good future. 1776 01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:40,110 And I've chosen to live a different life. 1777 01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:42,780 More and more people are starting to wake up. 1778 01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:45,150 That's the term they use, they're waking up. 1779 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,620 Elissa: They started with 200 children, 1780 01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:58,190 and this year they began with almost 600 kids. 1781 01:23:58,230 --> 01:24:00,300 Families are putting their children 1782 01:24:00,330 --> 01:24:02,430 in school, they're going against their culturing, 1783 01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:04,030 and their brainwashing, 1784 01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:06,170 and they're choosing to make a life for themselves. 1785 01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:11,640 I moved back and so did many, many other people. 1786 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:12,910 And we moved back with a reason. 1787 01:24:12,940 --> 01:24:15,480 I believe that we can 1788 01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:17,080 recover this town. 1789 01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:43,270 Rachel: I still love him 'cause he's my father. 1790 01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:46,440 I am so sad that he's made the choices he's made 1791 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,110 I don't justify him, ever, 1792 01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:52,350 but it makes me sad that he has made those choices. 1793 01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:53,820 and that he has to suffer. 1794 01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:56,080 Roy: I want to forgive him, 1795 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,520 but realizing what he's done, 1796 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,620 it would require something pretty drastic for me to forgive him, 1797 01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:04,830 but it's not happened yet. 1798 01:25:04,860 --> 01:25:07,500 Not happened yet. 1799 01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:11,030 ( music playing ) 1800 01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:12,770 Isaac: There is no way to see it fairly 1801 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,970 from the outside world. 1802 01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:18,170 I hope that people will understand 1803 01:25:18,210 --> 01:25:20,140 what those religious people are going through 1804 01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:23,050 and why they make their choices. 1805 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,480 They made their mistakes. 1806 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,950 And they're still-- they have good in 'em, 1807 01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:30,120 they did good things in their life. 1808 01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:35,160 Warren: Hear, little children, 1809 01:25:35,190 --> 01:25:36,860 that I will lead you. 1810 01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:39,060 Let's tie ourselves to the prophet, 1811 01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:42,400 purifying ourselves where we can 1812 01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:45,270 always keep sweet... 1813 01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,570 no matter what. 134988

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