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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,626 --> 00:00:31,029 Good evening. You are about to see a dramatization of actual facts... 2 00:00:31,197 --> 00:00:35,531 ...in which some of the names have been changed. But the story is true. 3 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:38,227 If it were not true, it would not be believable... 4 00:00:38,405 --> 00:00:41,568 ...for it is one of the most bizarre chapters in the history of crime. 5 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,840 We may not like to accept that people such as those... 6 00:00:45,011 --> 00:00:49,414 ...in the story of Helter Skelter exist in our life, and yet they do. 7 00:00:49,582 --> 00:00:54,679 And while they do, we cannot say that the story of Helter Skelter is ended. 8 00:01:06,032 --> 00:01:08,523 The foothills and canyons above Beverly Hills... 9 00:01:08,701 --> 00:01:12,762 ...in the early morning hours of Saturday, August 9, 1969. 10 00:01:12,939 --> 00:01:15,430 "It was so quiet, " one of the killers would say... 11 00:01:15,608 --> 00:01:18,338 ..."you could hear ice rattling in cocktail shakers... 12 00:01:18,511 --> 00:01:21,776 ...in the homes way down the canyon. " 13 00:01:21,948 --> 00:01:25,645 What was that? Sounded like a gun. 14 00:01:27,053 --> 00:01:29,613 Come on, let's go to bed. 15 00:01:29,789 --> 00:01:31,518 All right. 16 00:01:57,250 --> 00:02:01,380 Hey, hey, hey. Shut up, you two. 17 00:02:01,554 --> 00:02:05,251 You two are gonna end up in the pound if you don't look out. 18 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:08,883 Now what's the matter, boy, huh? What's the matter? 19 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:11,189 Cookie, Cookie. 20 00:02:11,364 --> 00:02:16,199 - What are you shaking for, huh? - Please, don't. Don't. No, please. 21 00:02:16,369 --> 00:02:19,463 Please, no. No. No! 22 00:02:30,617 --> 00:02:33,142 And what direction did the screams come from? 23 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:38,188 I couldn't say exactly. In these hills the sounds get scrambled. 24 00:04:04,143 --> 00:04:09,046 Murder! Murder! Murder! 25 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:25,693 Six-Adam-25 at location. 26 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:30,432 All right, please, everybody move back. Just move back, please. 27 00:04:30,603 --> 00:04:32,833 We don't know anything yet. 28 00:04:33,006 --> 00:04:36,840 How do you open this thing? Miss, how do you open this thing? 29 00:04:48,087 --> 00:04:50,555 I'll need you to identify the bodies. 30 00:04:50,723 --> 00:04:53,851 I can't go back in there. No, no, no way. 31 00:04:55,395 --> 00:04:57,158 No. 32 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:02,123 Hey, look, there's even blood on this button. 33 00:05:31,364 --> 00:05:34,856 Is that the killer? Where did you find him? 34 00:05:35,034 --> 00:05:36,934 How many did he kill? 35 00:05:37,103 --> 00:05:40,368 - Well, what's his name? - Garretson, William. 36 00:05:42,642 --> 00:05:45,372 Mr. Rosner? Sergeant Smith, Homicide. 37 00:05:45,545 --> 00:05:48,309 - You are Mr. Polanski's business manager? - Yeah. 38 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:53,077 It's going to be difficult for you, sir, we know, but we need your help. 39 00:05:53,386 --> 00:05:55,217 This way. 40 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:04,092 The first one is in this car here, Mr. Rosner. 41 00:06:16,409 --> 00:06:18,741 - Can you identify him, sir? - No. 42 00:06:18,911 --> 00:06:22,312 - No idea? - I never saw him before. 43 00:06:22,482 --> 00:06:26,111 All right, can we look at the others now, please? 44 00:06:54,881 --> 00:06:57,907 - Voytek. - Who? 45 00:06:58,084 --> 00:07:00,882 A friend of Roman's from Poland. 46 00:07:01,053 --> 00:07:03,578 Voytek Frykowski. 47 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:05,747 Okay, good. 48 00:07:33,085 --> 00:07:35,576 Do you know her? 49 00:07:35,755 --> 00:07:37,518 I think so. 50 00:07:39,358 --> 00:07:43,351 It'd be a big help if you could make it positive. 51 00:07:55,374 --> 00:07:57,274 Gibby. 52 00:08:02,548 --> 00:08:04,709 Abigail Folger. 53 00:08:04,884 --> 00:08:07,444 The coffee family. 54 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:11,852 Yeah, she and Voytek were staying with... 55 00:08:12,024 --> 00:08:14,925 ...Sharon while Roman was- 56 00:08:16,529 --> 00:08:18,326 Sharon? 57 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:23,397 I'll have that blood sample in five seconds. 58 00:08:23,569 --> 00:08:25,264 Okay. 59 00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:32,235 I'll get that later. 60 00:08:49,962 --> 00:08:52,055 That's Jay... 61 00:08:52,231 --> 00:08:54,290 ...Sebring. 62 00:08:57,703 --> 00:09:00,797 I think, I don't really know. 63 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:04,172 I know he's beat all to hell, but you're pretty sure? 64 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:12,877 Yes. 65 00:09:14,787 --> 00:09:18,382 Would you come to this side of the sofa, please, Mr. Rosner? 66 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:40,008 Oh, my God. Sharon. 67 00:09:57,797 --> 00:10:00,857 Often called one of the world's most beautiful women... 68 00:10:01,033 --> 00:10:04,696 ...Miss Tate was eight months pregnant at the time of her death. 69 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:08,362 Her body, clad only in flowered bikini panties and bra... 70 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:10,839 ...and bearing multiple stab wounds... 71 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:13,808 ...was found with a nylon rope tied around her neck. 72 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:16,744 The other end was around the neck of Jay Sebring... 73 00:10:16,916 --> 00:10:20,249 ...known men's hair stylist, who according to police... 74 00:10:20,419 --> 00:10:23,081 ...had been stabbed, beaten and shot. 75 00:10:23,255 --> 00:10:27,123 Police describe Garretson's answers as stuporous and unresponsive. 76 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:30,023 They said he would be held for further questioning. 77 00:10:30,196 --> 00:10:33,495 In other developments, law enforcement sources confirm today... 78 00:10:33,666 --> 00:10:36,692 ...that drugs have been found in the house on Elysium Drive... 79 00:10:36,869 --> 00:10:40,236 ...as well as in Jay Sebring's Porsche. 80 00:10:40,406 --> 00:10:44,672 One day after the Tate murders, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca... 81 00:10:44,844 --> 00:10:47,836 ...return from a trip to the mountains. 82 00:10:49,115 --> 00:10:50,810 Veteran newsmen theorize... 83 00:10:50,983 --> 00:10:55,511 ...that the fact that Garretson was held for questioning had not been specifically- 84 00:10:55,688 --> 00:10:57,883 - How are you folks? - Fine, Herb. 85 00:10:58,057 --> 00:11:01,618 - I'm not. - She's upset because of these killings. 86 00:11:01,794 --> 00:11:04,262 - A terrible thing. - Yeah. 87 00:11:04,430 --> 00:11:06,398 The world is full of crazies. 88 00:11:06,565 --> 00:11:10,661 - They got the guy, so what's the worry? - It sure sounds like the guy. 89 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:13,396 - Have you folks been up at the lake? - Yeah. 90 00:11:13,572 --> 00:11:15,631 - It must be nice there. - I don't know. 91 00:11:15,941 --> 00:11:18,102 I couldn't get a racing form up there. 92 00:11:18,277 --> 00:11:23,044 Listen, the last time we were up there somebody went through our house. 93 00:11:23,215 --> 00:11:25,775 - I'll see you later. - So long. 94 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:45,894 - How old are you? - Nineteen. 95 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:48,802 Keep your look forward, please. 96 00:11:50,976 --> 00:11:53,536 Were you the caretaker? 97 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,647 Yes, sir. 98 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:01,349 Is your true last name Garretson? 99 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,317 Yes. 100 00:12:06,025 --> 00:12:09,927 Did you know the boy they found dead in the car? 101 00:12:10,796 --> 00:12:14,960 Steve Parent. But not so good. 102 00:12:15,501 --> 00:12:17,867 Concerning Steve Parent, did you cause his death? 103 00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:20,195 No. 104 00:12:25,978 --> 00:12:28,412 You understood the question? 105 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,674 Yes. 106 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:35,584 Do you feel responsible for Steve's death? 107 00:12:37,656 --> 00:12:41,114 - Well, that he even knew me, yeah. - Huh? 108 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,721 Well, that he even knew me. 109 00:12:43,896 --> 00:12:47,059 I mean, he wouldn't have come to visit me that night. 110 00:12:47,233 --> 00:12:51,533 Nothing would've happened, in other words, to him. 111 00:12:54,206 --> 00:12:57,505 Did you cause Mrs. Polanski's death? 112 00:12:57,676 --> 00:12:59,769 No. 113 00:13:08,521 --> 00:13:10,989 Why are you so nervous? 114 00:13:12,258 --> 00:13:15,921 - Wouldn't you be? - Not if I was telling the truth. 115 00:13:17,530 --> 00:13:19,259 But I am telling the truth. 116 00:13:19,899 --> 00:13:22,663 So relax. 117 00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:26,599 I can tell you what made me so nervous if you want to know. 118 00:13:27,406 --> 00:13:29,237 What? 119 00:13:29,408 --> 00:13:31,433 When they brought me in here... 120 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:35,876 ...a policeman pointed to me and said, "That's the guy. 121 00:13:36,048 --> 00:13:38,414 That's the guy who killed all those people. " 122 00:13:39,351 --> 00:13:44,311 - So it's not because you're lying? - I'm not lying. 123 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:46,117 I'm just confused. 124 00:13:46,892 --> 00:13:49,383 Why are you confused? 125 00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:52,958 Well, for one thing... 126 00:13:53,132 --> 00:13:56,192 ...how come I wasn't murdered? 127 00:14:01,774 --> 00:14:03,969 - Are you Franklyn? - Yeah. 128 00:14:04,143 --> 00:14:07,237 Harry Jones, Sheriff's Homicide, and my partner, Bob White. 129 00:14:07,413 --> 00:14:11,850 - We know each other. Hi, Ted. - Sit down, fellas. You want some coffee? 130 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:15,885 - Oh, we're on our way to eat. - Well, it's about that time. 131 00:14:16,055 --> 00:14:19,286 - You're on Tate, right? - Yeah. 132 00:14:19,458 --> 00:14:21,585 What do you got? 133 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,752 Maybe nothing. We've been on the Hinman case. 134 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:28,388 Hinman, the music teacher? 135 00:14:28,567 --> 00:14:31,195 He was cut up pretty good like the Tate people. 136 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:35,773 The same kind of crazy viciousness, you know. 137 00:14:36,508 --> 00:14:41,343 And we saw in the Teletype that the Tate killers left a message, "pig. " 138 00:14:41,747 --> 00:14:42,975 Yeah, in blood. 139 00:14:43,682 --> 00:14:46,651 The Hinman killers wrote "political piggy" on the wall. 140 00:14:46,819 --> 00:14:49,617 - In blood. - Well, didn't you pick up somebody on that? 141 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:53,458 - Bobby Beausoleil. - So he was in custody during Tate? 142 00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:56,559 The thing is we don't think he was alone on Hinman. 143 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:59,493 He's been living with a bunch of hippies at the old- 144 00:14:59,665 --> 00:15:03,795 A bunch of weirdos out there. They think their leader is Jesus Christ. 145 00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:07,797 Jesus Christ, huh? Peace and love and flowers. 146 00:15:07,973 --> 00:15:11,465 These are bigtime dope murders, Harry. Now we're sure of that. 147 00:15:13,012 --> 00:15:15,378 Well... 148 00:15:15,547 --> 00:15:17,947 ...we thought it was worth mentioning anyhow. 149 00:15:18,117 --> 00:15:21,814 Similar mode of death, message left in both places... 150 00:15:21,987 --> 00:15:26,481 ...both printed, both in blood, the word "pig" in both messages. 151 00:15:26,659 --> 00:15:31,323 Well, I see what you mean, but the dope angle is the only one that fits here. 152 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:37,228 - You want to come and eat with us? - No, thanks, I'm brown-bagging. 153 00:15:37,403 --> 00:15:38,995 I gotta hang around. 154 00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:42,163 So long, sir. Good luck. 155 00:15:49,748 --> 00:15:53,844 Sunday, two days after the Tate murders. 156 00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:15,263 I really am sorry, sis, to get you up so late. 157 00:16:15,441 --> 00:16:17,500 That's okay, Frank. I don't blame you. 158 00:16:17,676 --> 00:16:20,736 When I saw all the shades down and the boat in the driveway... 159 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:24,110 ...and the light on in the kitchen and Mom didn't answer... 160 00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:27,980 ...when I kept knocking, well, I got a little scared to go in. 161 00:16:28,153 --> 00:16:30,383 You did the right thing. 162 00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:46,666 Susan, why don't you wait here, and Frank and I'll take a look. 163 00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:17,730 Garretson is released for lack of evidence three days after the Tate murders... 164 00:17:17,903 --> 00:17:19,200 ...two after LaBianca. 165 00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:28,671 I don't see any connection between the Tate and LaBianca killings. 166 00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:31,907 There are similarities, but we think the dissimilarities... 167 00:17:32,084 --> 00:17:35,485 ...are so strong as to preclude any connection. For instance- 168 00:17:35,654 --> 00:17:38,521 - And the writings on the wall? - I don't know who told you... 169 00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:42,421 ...there was writing at the LaBianca residence. I didn't say there was. 170 00:17:42,995 --> 00:17:45,793 We believe the LaBiancas were killed by a copycat. 171 00:17:45,964 --> 00:17:49,161 There are a lot of psychos. This sort of thing turns them on. 172 00:17:49,334 --> 00:17:51,768 Are you saying the killings were done by psychos? 173 00:17:51,937 --> 00:17:53,632 I'm saying we have no motive... 174 00:17:53,806 --> 00:17:57,708 ...and there was no connection between the victims that we know of. 175 00:17:57,876 --> 00:17:59,639 - That you know of? - That we know of. 176 00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:04,306 Drugs were found at the Tate murders, while none were found at the LaBiancas. 177 00:18:04,483 --> 00:18:08,146 We believe the Tate killings were a drug burn. 178 00:18:10,189 --> 00:18:13,124 Now, here's that Beatles album I told you about. 179 00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:16,227 I don't say it's anything solid, but I got me a hunch. 180 00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:20,058 - Mark, you guys working on the Tate case? - LaBianca, Ted's on Tate. 181 00:18:20,232 --> 00:18:22,291 Now here, you see? 182 00:18:24,503 --> 00:18:27,666 - I've got something for you guys. - A good cigar? 183 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,604 Those pieces of gun grip you found at the Tate scene... 184 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:35,110 ...they come from a Hi Standard .22 caliber Longhorn revolver. 185 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,714 Now, that's known as a Buntline Special. 186 00:18:37,883 --> 00:18:41,375 It's patterned after guns that Ned Buntline made for Wyatt Earp. 187 00:18:41,553 --> 00:18:46,115 - Look, the firearms experts broke the case. - As usual. 188 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:49,021 They're not too many made with that kind of grip. 189 00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:52,960 We're sending a flyer out to every P.D. in the U.S. And Canada. 190 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:58,001 - In no time at all, you'll have your gun. - Sure. One chance in a 1000. 191 00:18:58,203 --> 00:19:01,934 All you do is match up the bullets found in Sebring and Frykowski... 192 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:05,099 ...your case is solved, just like on TV. 193 00:19:05,277 --> 00:19:11,147 That's not the way you break cases, Hank. You do it by filling out forms in triplicate. 194 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:14,683 Now, here's a song called "Piggies. " 195 00:19:14,853 --> 00:19:18,414 - They printed "death to pigs" on the wall. - Right. 196 00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:23,425 And here's a song called "Helter Skelter. " "Helter Skelter was on the refrigerator door. " 197 00:19:23,595 --> 00:19:27,053 - Look, I know it's a wild guess- - That's not so wild. 198 00:19:27,232 --> 00:19:29,894 It's not as wild as stabbing some woman 41 times... 199 00:19:30,068 --> 00:19:33,037 ...and then go on stabbing her even after she's dead. 200 00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:35,799 It may as well be thrown in. We don't have much. 201 00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:37,942 - You said it. - Well, it beats a blank. 202 00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:40,203 Yeah, hopefully. 203 00:19:46,752 --> 00:19:48,413 One week after the killings... 204 00:19:48,587 --> 00:19:51,249 ...in answer to complaints of an auto-theft ring... 205 00:19:51,423 --> 00:19:54,290 ...but unrelated to the Tate-LaBianca investigations... 206 00:19:54,459 --> 00:19:57,860 ...deputies from the L.A. Sheriff's Department conduct a raid... 207 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:03,696 ...at the isolated Spahn Movie Ranch in the Simi hills northwest of Los Angeles. 208 00:20:08,173 --> 00:20:11,404 Because some of the members of the hippie cult at the ranch... 209 00:20:11,577 --> 00:20:14,171 ...sleep in groups away from the main buildings... 210 00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:17,713 ...many of the officers move into the ranch from the back way. 211 00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:21,308 All right, put your hands on your head. Keep them where I can see them. 212 00:21:22,147 --> 00:21:24,308 Get up! Come here! Get up! 213 00:21:34,893 --> 00:21:38,124 Danny DeCarlo, a member of the Straight Satan motorcycle club. 214 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:43,492 Danny stays at the ranch because of the wide variety of girls. 215 00:21:46,471 --> 00:21:48,166 Hold it! 216 00:21:55,947 --> 00:21:58,575 Susan Denise Atkins, 21 years old... 217 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:03,847 ...also known as Sadie Mae Glutz, and infant son, Zezozose Zadfrack Glutz. 218 00:22:04,022 --> 00:22:06,252 This one's got a baby. 219 00:22:06,425 --> 00:22:09,223 Come on. All right, come on. 220 00:22:09,394 --> 00:22:11,760 Let go of my arm. Christ. 221 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:15,661 - Okay, Charlie, come on out of there. - Come on, let's get your hands up. 222 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:18,234 - Move! - All right! Damn it, I'm coming! 223 00:22:18,403 --> 00:22:20,030 - All right! - Get out. 224 00:22:20,205 --> 00:22:25,074 All right! All right! I'm coming! I'm coming! I'm here, man! 225 00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:27,240 All right. 226 00:22:29,481 --> 00:22:34,111 - Quit struggling! You're not gonna get hurt. - Just be quiet, Charlie, everything's okay. 227 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:37,312 - All right, on your feet. - Let's go. Up. Up. 228 00:22:37,489 --> 00:22:39,616 - What's the matter? - You're under arrest. 229 00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:42,487 - What for? - Grand theft auto, okay? Let's go. 230 00:22:42,661 --> 00:22:47,792 Why don't you tell them to relax. I'll tell some of the girls to be nice to you. 231 00:22:56,641 --> 00:23:01,408 Sayce, 22 years old, also known as Moses, also known as Boots. 232 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,413 Steve Grogan, 17, also known as Clem... 233 00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:08,019 ...an escapee from a state mental hospital. 234 00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:11,912 Patricia Krenwinkel, 22 years old... 235 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,786 ...also known as Katie, also known as Marnie Reeves... 236 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,293 ...also known as Big Patty, also known as Mary Ann Scott. 237 00:23:28,006 --> 00:23:31,635 There he is. All right, Charlie... 238 00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:37,271 ...tell them I'm a ranch hand. I'm not part of your crummy Family. 239 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:43,182 Look, wake up old man Spahn. Ask him. 240 00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:47,758 I don't belong to this gang. I'm a ranch hand. 241 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:51,794 Damn it, why do you do this to me every time you put a bust on these bums? 242 00:23:51,963 --> 00:23:56,263 I work here. You take me in, Flynn, who's gonna do the work? 243 00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,427 - Will you tell us what you know? - You're damn right. 244 00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,698 Snitch! Snitch! Snitch! 245 00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:16,019 It's not nice to snitch, Shorty. 246 00:24:16,688 --> 00:24:18,781 Horse manure. 247 00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:23,792 Charles Milles Manson, also known as Jesus Christ, God, Soul, the Devil. 248 00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:28,763 Charles Willis Manson, born No Name Maddox, November 12th, 1934. 249 00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:31,903 Mother, Kathleen Maddox. Lived with a succession of men. 250 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:37,064 Married briefly to William Manson, who gave young Charles his last name. 251 00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:42,443 Let's start getting these people out of here. 252 00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:45,674 All right, all children with their mothers. 253 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:53,090 All females, let's go. On your feet. 254 00:24:53,258 --> 00:24:55,226 Single-file line to the bus. 255 00:24:58,196 --> 00:25:01,791 - On your feet, girl. - What do you think we're on? 256 00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:05,994 - Okay. - All right, on your feet. Get on your feet. 257 00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:12,607 Kathleen Maddox served time in state penitentiary for armed robbery. 258 00:25:12,777 --> 00:25:15,268 Charles lived with relatives, then his mother... 259 00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:17,881 ...and a series of her lovers in rundown hotels. 260 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:21,212 Unwanted, he ran away at 12, burglarized several stores... 261 00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:23,820 ...was caught and sent to Boys Town. 262 00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:28,517 Fled four days later in a stolen car. Committed first armed robbery, age 13. 263 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,594 Has spent 17 years, one half of his life... 264 00:25:31,763 --> 00:25:36,325 ...in boys homes, jails and federal penitentiaries. 265 00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:02,385 Took guitar lessons in prison from Alvin Karpis... 266 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,052 ...lone survivor of the old Ma Barker gang. 267 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:09,758 Twice married and divorced. Fathered two children, probably more. 268 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:43,728 Criminal record includes burglary, armed robbery, attempted escape... 269 00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:48,032 ...parole violation, homosexual rape, assault, procuring... 270 00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:51,664 ...mail theft, grand theft auto, forgery. 271 00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:56,109 Psychiatric evaluation: emotional instability, rejection reaction... 272 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,808 ...psychic trauma, bisexual, dangerous, assaultive. 273 00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:35,615 Three weeks after the murders... 274 00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:40,156 ...9-year-old Steven Quint is working with his father in their back yard. 275 00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:57,708 Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad, look what I found. 276 00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:09,379 I'm holding it this way so I don't mess up the fingerprints. I saw it on Dragnet. 277 00:28:12,724 --> 00:28:16,057 My son's convinced this gun was involved in every major crime... 278 00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:19,526 ...from the Black Dahlia to those Tate murders three weeks ago. 279 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,030 We appreciate your calling, Mr. Quint. 280 00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,559 It looks like it's been used to hammer something. 281 00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,963 Thank you. 282 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:41,043 Steven Quint's discovery is tagged and filed in the property room... 283 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:45,451 ...of the Van Nuys Division of the Los Angeles Police Department. 284 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,587 Come out! Come on out! Let's go! 285 00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:56,461 Come on out! Come on! 286 00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,098 - What happened? - We had to release them. 287 00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:03,138 - DA's reject. Insufficient evidence. - My aching back. 288 00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:08,041 Come on, let's go! Come on, go! Go! 289 00:29:14,719 --> 00:29:18,712 - Sheriff's Homicide. Jones. - Harry, Phil Cohen here. 290 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:22,916 - Hey, Phillip, what's up? - Well, just a thought. 291 00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:27,690 - You were working on that Hinman case? - Yeah, we're still on it. 292 00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:32,462 Well, Mark and I are on this LaBianca thing, and we were just wondering... 293 00:29:32,637 --> 00:29:36,596 ...what exactly did you find printed on the walls at the Hinman place? 294 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,072 "Political piggy. " 295 00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:42,345 - Political piggy? - Right, Hinman's blood. 296 00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,483 - Political piggy. - That's one hell of a coincidence, huh? 297 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:47,515 - You said it. - By the way, Phil... 298 00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:50,085 - Yeah. - We picked up that whole gang... 299 00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:52,120 ...out there at Spahn Ranch. 300 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:56,852 You know, that's where Bobby Beausoleil was living when he killed Garry Hinman. 301 00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,893 There's a ranch hand out there... 302 00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:01,623 ...you might want to talk to. Name is Shorty Shea. 303 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,792 He's had a couple run-ins with the leader of this gang... 304 00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:07,529 ...and he may have heard something. 305 00:30:07,705 --> 00:30:10,799 Right, Shorty Shea. I got it, Harry. Thank you. 306 00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,205 - You bet. - Okay, bye-bye. 307 00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:03,124 Come on in. 308 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,523 Hi. 309 00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:11,594 Hi. You're new around here, aren't you? 310 00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:15,102 Charlie left me here to take good care of George. 311 00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:20,500 They took off, huh? I thought the place looked deserted. 312 00:31:20,678 --> 00:31:23,647 - Manuel Gris, Mr. Spahn. - Phil Cohen, Mr. Spahn. 313 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:25,908 I recognize your voice, Mr. Cohen. 314 00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:30,887 Charlie and his girls took off the day after you were down here last time. 315 00:31:31,856 --> 00:31:33,289 Over a month ago. 316 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:37,693 Yeah. You gentlemen want some lunch? 317 00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:42,055 - No, thank you. Some other time. - No, thank you. 318 00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:44,799 But we were wondering, Mr. Spahn... 319 00:31:44,969 --> 00:31:47,665 ...if Mr. Shea had come back from San Francisco yet. 320 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,171 - Shorty? - Couple of Charlie's girls... 321 00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:53,037 ...told us he went to San Francisco for a few weeks. 322 00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,441 That's what Charlie told me too. 323 00:31:56,047 --> 00:32:01,815 But it wasn't like old Shorty to haul freight like that without saying boo to me about it. 324 00:32:01,986 --> 00:32:07,014 But he just turned up missing one day, and I ain't seen hide nor hair of him since. 325 00:32:08,326 --> 00:32:12,820 - Learned exclusively that pieces of a gun grip were found at the Tate murder scene. 326 00:32:12,997 --> 00:32:16,660 And that the gun police are seeking is a 22 caliber pistol. 327 00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:20,235 That's the news. And now, this comment and a question: 328 00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:24,865 Two months have passed since Sharon Tate and four others were slaughtered. 329 00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:27,477 And yet not one suspect is in custody. 330 00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:31,706 Not one piece of concrete evidence is presented to a frightened community... 331 00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:34,477 ...that progress is being made. 332 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:42,082 - Sounds like the gun Stevie found. - Had a broken grip, didn't it? 333 00:32:43,928 --> 00:32:48,422 It must not be the one. When was it we gave it to the police? 334 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,658 Was over a month ago. 335 00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:53,963 Surely they'd have come back to ask more questions by now. 336 00:32:54,138 --> 00:32:55,935 And search the hillside. 337 00:33:04,782 --> 00:33:06,010 Help! 338 00:33:06,184 --> 00:33:10,587 Death Valley, California, two months after the Tate and LaBianca murders. 339 00:33:10,755 --> 00:33:13,019 Stephanie Mark, 17 years old. 340 00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:18,322 And Kitty Lassiter, 17 years old and five months pregnant. 341 00:33:25,536 --> 00:33:28,801 - Please, will you take us somewhere? - Oh, please! 342 00:33:28,973 --> 00:33:30,838 - Where you going? - Anywhere at all. 343 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,534 - Somebody is trying to kill us. - All right, who? 344 00:33:33,711 --> 00:33:35,838 - Charlie Manson. - Please! Come on! 345 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,379 - Come on. - Get in the back. 346 00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:41,484 They tell the officers the Manson Family left Spahn Ranch a month before... 347 00:33:41,652 --> 00:33:44,314 ...and has stayed at Barker Ranch in Death Valley. 348 00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:47,720 Kitty is pregnant by Family member Bobby Beausoleil... 349 00:33:47,892 --> 00:33:51,384 ...now in custody in Los Angeles for the murder of Gary Hinman. 350 00:33:51,562 --> 00:33:55,464 Stephanie is a recent favorite of Charlie Manson, now fallen from grace. 351 00:33:55,633 --> 00:33:58,761 Both girls believe Manson will kill them for what they know. 352 00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:02,838 They don't know that Manson and the Family were arrested two days earlier... 353 00:34:03,007 --> 00:34:06,773 ...for the destruction of an earthmoving machine. 354 00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:11,711 We got him over in the jail at Independence. We picked him up, and the gang, yesterday. 355 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,215 - What for? - Arson. 356 00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:17,877 Burning up one of those earthmoving machines. 357 00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:20,887 - You have anything to do with it? - No. 358 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,751 Sir. 359 00:34:25,229 --> 00:34:30,963 - Are you taking us to Independence too? - I'm afraid we'll have to. 360 00:34:31,536 --> 00:34:33,766 You're not gonna put us with them, are you? 361 00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,065 No, you'll be by yourself. 362 00:34:36,474 --> 00:34:41,309 Now, what are some of those things that you know that Charlie wishes you didn't? 363 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,741 Bobby Beausoleil didn't do it by himself. I know that. 364 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,888 What's that, kill Gary Hinman? 365 00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:55,692 Sadie was there too. She helped. 366 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:58,124 - Sadie? - Sadie Mae Glutz. 367 00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:01,023 Sadie Mae Glutz. Is that her real name? 368 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,330 No, I think her real name is Susan Atkins. 369 00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:11,102 Susan Atkins is Sadie Mae Glutz? 370 00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:14,338 Isn't that the girl we arrested yesterday? 371 00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:17,274 You better call the L.A. County Sheriff's Office. 372 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:21,350 Have them send somebody down to talk to that little lady. 373 00:35:24,255 --> 00:35:28,817 Even after Bobby slashed his face, he just wouldn't give us the money. 374 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,528 Is that why you ended up having to kill him? The money? 375 00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:36,861 Sure. $5000. We knew he had it. 376 00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:39,332 He just wouldn't give it to us. 377 00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:45,534 So me and Bobby took turns sleeping and guarding him, so he wouldn't get away. 378 00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:48,471 And one night, while I was in the kitchen... 379 00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:53,049 ...I heard Gary yell, "Don't, Bobby. " 380 00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:56,584 And he staggered into the kitchen. He had blood on his chest. 381 00:35:56,754 --> 00:36:00,850 Sort of pouring out through his fingers, you know? 382 00:36:01,025 --> 00:36:04,722 - What happened then? - Well... 383 00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:08,995 We thought that was it for him. He fell down, he was just laying there. 384 00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:14,404 So we wiped the house for prints, okay? 385 00:36:15,606 --> 00:36:19,474 And we were about to jam out of there, and we heard Gary again. 386 00:36:19,644 --> 00:36:22,636 Just moaning and groaning. 387 00:36:23,714 --> 00:36:28,811 He's a funny guy. He just wouldn't die. Just wouldn't. 388 00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:33,082 So Bobby went back in, and I heard Gary again. 389 00:36:33,591 --> 00:36:37,118 "Oh, no, Bobby. Please, don't. " 390 00:36:37,895 --> 00:36:42,332 And then I heard a sound like gurgling, as when people are dying. 391 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,365 Susan. 392 00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:48,472 Would you repeat this on tape for us? 393 00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:52,705 No way. 394 00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:58,946 - Why did you tell us in the first place? - For fun. 395 00:37:00,484 --> 00:37:04,284 You can't use it. I'll just say I made it up. 396 00:37:06,824 --> 00:37:12,285 Okay, Sadie Mae. We'll be bringing you back to L.A. This afternoon. 397 00:37:12,463 --> 00:37:15,694 You have any objection to flying in a small plane? 398 00:37:16,267 --> 00:37:17,928 I love to fly. 399 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:40,849 Two months and one week after the Tate-LaBianca killings... 400 00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:43,687 ...Atkins is arrested for the Gary Hinman murder... 401 00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:48,594 ...and brought to Sybil Brand Institute for Women in East Los Angeles. 402 00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:05,379 Take 31, that's your bunk. 403 00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:16,927 - Cute. - Yeah, probably straight too. 404 00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:35,543 - What's your name, honey? - Sadie. 405 00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:39,477 Sexy Sadie. 406 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,253 Charlie. 407 00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:55,788 Charlie's the strongest man alive. 408 00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:01,163 They keep putting him in prison. They can't break him. He has powers. 409 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:05,139 - Powers? - Believe me. 410 00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:09,311 I mean, he's not very big, physically... 411 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,381 ...but everybody does what he says. 412 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,144 Even when he doesn't say it. 413 00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:19,055 - You know what I mean. - No, not really. 414 00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:23,253 He's... 415 00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,626 He's our father. He's our leader. 416 00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:31,597 - He's our love. - Really good, huh? 417 00:39:31,769 --> 00:39:36,069 Our teacher. He's everything. 418 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,265 In fact... 419 00:39:46,784 --> 00:39:51,118 You're a nice person, Ronnie. I can trust you. 420 00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,689 - Thanks. - No, I feel that. 421 00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,692 - Ronnie. - Yes? 422 00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:04,900 Charlie's Jesus Christ. 423 00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:09,029 He is? 424 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,206 Oh. 425 00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:21,074 What are you in here for? 426 00:40:23,387 --> 00:40:27,016 First degree murder. Gary Hinman. 427 00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,625 - Did you do it? - Sure. 428 00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:36,099 They got it wrong. 429 00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:40,894 They claim I held him while Bobby stabbed him. 430 00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:47,067 The way it came down was Bobby held him while I stabbed him four or five times. 431 00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:51,746 - Cops are really dumb. - What do you mean? 432 00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:54,575 There's a case right now. 433 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:59,248 They're so far off the track, they don't even know what's happening. 434 00:40:59,423 --> 00:41:04,486 - What are you talking about? - That one in Benedict Canyon. 435 00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:06,560 Bene-? 436 00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:11,429 - Oh, you don't mean Sharon Tate? - Sure. 437 00:41:12,837 --> 00:41:15,431 You know who did it, don't you? 438 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:20,107 - No. - Well... 439 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,047 ...you're looking at her. 440 00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:28,613 You gotta be kidding. 441 00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:46,994 Boy, I'm tired. 442 00:41:49,473 --> 00:41:51,737 Why don't we go to bed? 443 00:41:54,879 --> 00:41:56,244 Why don't I stay here? 444 00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:03,682 I'm really tired. 445 00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,286 Well... 446 00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:11,126 Okay. 447 00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:17,025 - Good night, love. - Good night. 448 00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:36,083 - Danny DeCarlo? - Hello. 449 00:42:44,528 --> 00:42:49,431 - You know Kitty Lassiter? - No, man. I never heard of her. 450 00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:55,167 She says you used to hang around Spahn's Ranch with Charlie Manson's Family. 451 00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:57,534 Man, I never heard of him either. 452 00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,804 Couple of charges pending against you, I believe, Danny. 453 00:43:03,981 --> 00:43:05,642 Grand theft and a federal rap. 454 00:43:06,216 --> 00:43:09,811 Giving false information while purchasing a firearm. 455 00:43:11,055 --> 00:43:15,048 Maybe they made a mistake cutting you out on your own recognizance. 456 00:43:16,126 --> 00:43:19,357 Well, I guess you boys wanna ask me a few questions, huh? 457 00:43:25,703 --> 00:43:31,232 The morning of November 18, 1969, I was on my way to work in the Hall of Justice. 458 00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:35,435 It was just three months after the Tate-LaBianca murders. 459 00:43:36,747 --> 00:43:38,510 Vince! 460 00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:41,146 Come here. I was looking for you. 461 00:43:41,318 --> 00:43:44,412 - What's this all about? - Never mind. You'll see. 462 00:43:47,691 --> 00:43:51,252 We've got statements from the bikers, Al Springer and Danny DeCarlo. 463 00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:55,091 - Well, they finally found you, huh, Vince? - Congratulations, Vince. 464 00:43:55,265 --> 00:43:56,596 On what? 465 00:43:56,767 --> 00:44:01,170 I want you to okay this press release before we let it go out, all right? 466 00:44:01,438 --> 00:44:04,703 "Dateline, Los Angeles, November 18, 1969. 467 00:44:05,209 --> 00:44:07,700 DA Evelle Younger's office announced today... 468 00:44:07,878 --> 00:44:10,745 ...that Deputy DA Vincent T. Bugliosi... 469 00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,314 ...has been named co-prosecutor in the Sharon Tate murder case. " 470 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,077 Are we gonna handle it? 471 00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:21,885 "Mr. Bugliosi, chosen from a staff of 450 lawyers to prosecute this case... 472 00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:26,890 ...has previously tried 104 felony jury trials, losing only one. " 473 00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:29,191 You make me sound like a sure winner. 474 00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:31,266 - What do we got to go on? - Not much. 475 00:44:31,435 --> 00:44:34,996 Few statements, that's it. None of which can be used in evidence. 476 00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:37,296 Why not? 477 00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:39,738 - Aranda? - That's right. 478 00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,311 California Supreme Court, The People v. Aranda, 1965. 479 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,075 These are all statements from defendants implicating codefendants. 480 00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,713 So Manson ordered Hinman killed. 481 00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,719 Yep, that's the way Bobby told it. 482 00:44:55,893 --> 00:45:01,889 - He said Charlie sent him, Mary, Sadie- - Wait a minute. Who's Mary? 483 00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:04,432 Mary Brunner, man. 484 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,402 Is this her? 485 00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:12,768 Yeah, that's her. 486 00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,679 Her and Bobby and Sadie. 487 00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:22,216 They went to Gary's place. 488 00:45:22,786 --> 00:45:24,617 By the way, my man... 489 00:45:24,788 --> 00:45:27,723 ...is Charlie gonna know I talked to you guys? 490 00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:32,760 - Charlie's up in jail in Independence. - Charlie's got a long reach, man. 491 00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:36,696 None of the girls know you're here. We'll make sure they don't. 492 00:45:36,867 --> 00:45:38,391 Just between me and you... 493 00:45:39,303 --> 00:45:41,828 ...the little dude scares the hell out of me. 494 00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:43,770 He's a freak, man. 495 00:45:44,141 --> 00:45:48,601 I mean, he did Shorty just like that, just because he thought he was snitching. 496 00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:51,307 - Who told you that? - It's in the tapes. 497 00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:53,848 - I told the other detectives. - Tell me again. 498 00:45:54,017 --> 00:45:56,884 - So your story doesn't change. - I'm telling the truth. 499 00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:58,578 Now, what would be the point? 500 00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:04,193 Okay, Danny. All right. Who told you about killing Shorty? 501 00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,631 Cisco Budge. 502 00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:18,497 - Said they cut him up in nine pieces, man. - Is this him? 503 00:46:18,675 --> 00:46:21,371 Chopped his head off too. 504 00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:25,440 That's Boots. 505 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,311 - Boots? - Yeah, man. Boots. 506 00:46:27,484 --> 00:46:31,545 He was one of the young kids. He hung out to the ranch. 507 00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:34,623 He didn't seem to fit in with the Family. 508 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,761 Boots is no longer with us, Danny. 509 00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:41,490 What do you mean, "Boots is no longer with us"? 510 00:46:41,665 --> 00:46:44,031 He's among the dead. 511 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,868 Well, terrific. 512 00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:53,502 Since when? 513 00:46:53,677 --> 00:46:58,808 Couple weeks ago. Accidentally shot himself playing Russian roulette. 514 00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:03,013 - Who was with him? - Cisco Budge. 515 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,054 Cisco Budge? 516 00:47:07,591 --> 00:47:09,286 All right. 517 00:47:10,527 --> 00:47:14,019 Okay. Boots must have got out of line. 518 00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,233 - That wasn't no accident. - Some other members of the Family- 519 00:47:18,402 --> 00:47:21,860 I know, I know. And they all tell the same story, right? 520 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:27,033 That's it, partner. I ain't talking no more. I'm riding out of here on the wind. 521 00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:31,739 There's still charges against you, Danny. I don't think you'll feel very safe in jail. 522 00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:36,375 - That's where Charlie is. - That sure is cold, man. 523 00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:44,854 Danny, go to Spahn Ranch with me tomorrow. 524 00:47:45,028 --> 00:47:50,159 Oh, no way, baby. No. Not the kid. 525 00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:52,768 I heard some of the Family is still up there. 526 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:57,739 We need a guide. If you don't wanna go, it's your decision. 527 00:48:05,148 --> 00:48:07,116 Well, what about the charges, man? 528 00:48:15,425 --> 00:48:17,120 All right. 529 00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:22,163 All right, I'll do it. Yeah, I'll do it. 530 00:48:24,201 --> 00:48:26,294 If you handcuff me. 531 00:48:46,857 --> 00:48:48,916 Flapping to the fuzz, huh, Danny? 532 00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:12,209 - My God. Does she live here? - Yeah, she lives here. 533 00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:16,648 - She's happy. - Is it all right to be happy? 534 00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:22,023 And they had this 9 mm Polish random automatic. 535 00:49:22,192 --> 00:49:25,161 Danny, did you ever see a 22 caliber Buntline revolver? 536 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,820 - That's the one Charlie carried. - Here's another. 22. 537 00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:32,594 - Wait a minute, are you sure of that? - About the Buntline? Hell, yes, I'm sure. 538 00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:38,264 - Cleaned the guns. I am a weapons man. - So Charlie had a. 22 caliber Buntline. 539 00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:41,377 That's the one he did the Black Panther with. 540 00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:44,070 - You hear about that one? - No. 541 00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,239 That's the kill that went down about a year ago. 542 00:49:47,417 --> 00:49:51,979 Charlie had some trouble with this nigger over a dope deal. So he snuffed him. 543 00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:55,613 When was the last time you saw that 22 Buntline? 544 00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:59,462 A week before the sheriff's office raided us. 545 00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:02,325 - So that would be August 16th, right? - Hey. 546 00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:06,299 Charlie didn't allow no calendars or clocks at the ranch. 547 00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:12,207 About a week after the Tate killings, I asked him what happened to his gun. 548 00:50:12,376 --> 00:50:16,244 He always carried it in a holster. I noticed right away it wasn't there. 549 00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:19,439 He said, "Hey, man, I just gave it away. " 550 00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:24,780 Danny, do you think Charlie had anything to do with Tate? 551 00:50:26,323 --> 00:50:30,259 Man, I don't feel like talking about that. 552 00:50:35,098 --> 00:50:39,797 You know, Shorty's buried around here somewhere, in nine different graves. 553 00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:42,029 He was a real right dude too. 554 00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:47,142 Danny, if we ever find this 22 caliber Buntline revolver, could you ID it? 555 00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:49,073 Hell, yes, I could. 556 00:50:49,246 --> 00:50:52,579 - Who was the last to die? - Sharon was the last to die. 557 00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:55,217 I was holding her arms behind her... 558 00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:59,685 ...and she's looking at me, begging and crying. 559 00:50:59,856 --> 00:51:04,486 "Please, don't kill me. Please, don't kill me. 560 00:51:04,661 --> 00:51:10,725 I don't wanna die. I wanna live. I wanna have my baby. I wanna have my baby. " 561 00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:15,972 And I looked her straight in the eye, and I said: 562 00:51:16,139 --> 00:51:21,167 "Look, bitch, I don't care about you. I don't care about your baby. 563 00:51:21,344 --> 00:51:25,713 You better be ready. You're gonna die, and I don't feel a thing about it. " 564 00:51:25,882 --> 00:51:30,285 - And I proceeded to stab, okay? - Okay. 565 00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:31,921 - And you know what? - What? 566 00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:36,753 I just kept stabbing her and stabbing her until she stopped screaming. 567 00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:40,491 But she was pregnant. Didn't it bother you to kill her? 568 00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:46,530 I thought you understood. 569 00:51:47,137 --> 00:51:48,934 I loved her. 570 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:53,736 And in order for me to kill her, I was killing part of myself when I killed her. 571 00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:57,004 In fact, Charlie gave us instructions to mutilate them. 572 00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,580 We were gonna cut out the baby if we had time. 573 00:51:59,749 --> 00:52:01,774 I gotta go to the can. 574 00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:05,319 You know the other two? The next night? 575 00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:08,783 LaBiancas. 576 00:52:11,394 --> 00:52:12,759 Well, what do you think? 577 00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:18,799 And there's more. Before... 578 00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:21,904 ...one guy, we cut his head off. 579 00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:26,202 Three more out in the desert, and more besides. 580 00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:31,874 At least 11. Eleven they'll never solve. 581 00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:35,710 And there's gonna be plenty more to come. 582 00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,785 We're gonna pick out some of the biggest pigs and execute them... 583 00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:41,947 ...and release them from this Earth. 584 00:52:46,229 --> 00:52:50,791 You have to have a real love in your heart for people to do this for them. 585 00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:53,697 - You know? - I gotta go to the can. 586 00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,339 I'll let you get some sleep. 587 00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:11,374 Sergeant, my life could be in danger if anybody catches me talking to you. 588 00:54:11,548 --> 00:54:15,814 I know who killed Sharon Tate, and I wanna talk to the lieutenant, please. 589 00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:19,012 You know who killed Tate, and you want the lieutenant? 590 00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:22,317 - I'll tell him. - Real soon, please. 591 00:54:22,492 --> 00:54:24,289 - I said, I'd tell him. - Okay. 592 00:54:24,461 --> 00:54:27,794 Now get back in line and go to lunch with the other girls. 593 00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:43,269 - Did you ask him? - Ask who? 594 00:54:43,446 --> 00:54:48,850 Oh. Yeah. He wants more details to see if you knew what you were talking about. 595 00:54:49,019 --> 00:54:52,648 Okay. Could we go someplace else private? 596 00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:01,028 I happen to know that the killers did not cut out the baby. 597 00:55:01,197 --> 00:55:07,432 So you tell her that her informant is either lying or unreliable. Quit wasting our time. 598 00:55:11,007 --> 00:55:14,875 Sergeant Broom, that's not what I said. I didn't say she cut out the baby. 599 00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:19,675 She wanted to cut out the baby. They wanted to do all these other kinds of things. 600 00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:23,808 And they didn't have the time. That's what I told you. 601 00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:26,512 I think we've bothered the lieutenant enough. 602 00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:29,284 - No. - The matter is closed. 603 00:55:32,962 --> 00:55:34,224 Oh, my God. 604 00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:44,563 Here, take these. You go to court today, don't you? 605 00:55:44,808 --> 00:55:48,175 - Well, it's nothing to get thrown about. - Oh, it's not that. 606 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,007 I'm just nervous. 607 00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:19,566 I'll give you each 50 cents if you let me get in front of you in this line. 608 00:56:19,743 --> 00:56:23,543 - Cash? - Yeah. Here, look. 609 00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:26,178 Come on. 610 00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,884 - Deal. - Oh, thanks a lot. 611 00:56:38,428 --> 00:56:41,727 Bus for the court leaves in four minutes. 612 00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:47,299 Yeah, well, what do you want me to do? 613 00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:50,834 I know, I know. 614 00:56:55,578 --> 00:56:57,739 The lawyer said- 615 00:56:59,883 --> 00:57:05,412 Hello, is this Homicide? Oh, my name is Ronnie Howard. 616 00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,852 And I- What? 617 00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:09,514 Howard. Yes, sir. 618 00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:14,857 I wanna report that I know the people that committed some of the murders... 619 00:57:15,031 --> 00:57:20,663 ...that you are presently working on the cases right now. Yes, sir. And- 620 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:25,340 Ronnie Howard, sir. Yes. 621 00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,500 Which ones? Well... 622 00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:32,638 Sharon Tate is one of them, sir. 623 00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:37,609 If we don't find the gun and tie it to Manson, we have nothing on him... 624 00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:39,118 ...except hearsay. 625 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:42,087 None of the statements places him at the murder scenes. 626 00:57:42,258 --> 00:57:46,752 But he ordered these killings! He ordered Shea, Tate, Hinman, LaBianca. 627 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:49,592 - He's as guilty as Hitler. - Can we prove it? 628 00:57:49,766 --> 00:57:53,224 - Not yet. - Then we better go with what we got. 629 00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:56,304 - What have we got? - Susan Atkins. 630 00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:59,965 - L.A.P.D. wants to make a deal with her. - No way. Immunity for her? 631 00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:04,375 If what she told Ronnie Howard is true, she personally killed Hinman and Tate. 632 00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:08,210 - We don't give her anything. - We may have no choice. 633 00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:11,820 Chief Davis doesn't want her to walk away any more than you do. 634 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,116 But the public pressure on him is unbelievable. 635 00:58:15,291 --> 00:58:18,124 Every time he shows his face, a reporter asks him: 636 00:58:18,294 --> 00:58:22,458 "What, if anything, is happening on Tate?" He is being pilloried by the press. 637 00:58:22,632 --> 00:58:26,796 - Aaron, just give me some time. - We don't have time! 638 00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:32,032 Inyo County can't hold Manson forever on that arson charge. 639 00:58:32,208 --> 00:58:38,579 He'll disappear the minute they spring him, unless we make a case against him, fast. 640 00:58:39,082 --> 00:58:40,811 Motive. 641 00:58:41,885 --> 00:58:43,648 We need a motive, Vince. 642 00:58:44,053 --> 00:58:48,012 What would be the motive for the Tate slaughter? 643 00:58:48,458 --> 00:58:50,551 - Robbery? - No, no. It can't be robbery. 644 00:58:50,727 --> 00:58:54,663 - Too much valuable property left behind. - That's right. 645 00:58:55,064 --> 00:58:58,090 Well, you know how tough it is to prove conspiracy, Vince. 646 00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:01,465 And that's what we gotta prove if we're gonna convict Manson. 647 00:59:01,638 --> 00:59:03,572 Right, right, right. 648 00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:07,699 You gonna prove that Manson's domination over these hippies is so great... 649 00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:12,576 ...that he ordered them to commit seven seemingly unmotivated murders? 650 00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,683 And they obeyed? 651 00:59:15,785 --> 00:59:17,685 Good luck with the jury on that one. 652 00:59:25,061 --> 00:59:28,622 The Panamint Mountain Range. The western edge of Death Valley. 653 00:59:28,798 --> 00:59:32,632 Three months after the killings. Frank Fowles, DA of Inyo County... 654 00:59:32,802 --> 00:59:37,205 ...guides a search party to Barker Ranch, where the Family lived for over a month... 655 00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:41,969 ...prior to their arrest in October. - Now, you're sure this trip was necessary? 656 01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:22,480 You mean to tell me, Manson drove that bus up the way we just came? 657 01:00:23,586 --> 01:00:28,182 He brought it up here from the Vegas side, which is only a little less rough. 658 01:00:28,358 --> 01:00:31,691 It'll never be driven out of here, I can tell you that. 659 01:00:41,904 --> 01:00:44,737 These magazines all have an article on Hitler in them. 660 01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:47,671 Oh, Charlie's a Hitler nut... 661 01:00:48,344 --> 01:00:50,437 ...among other things. 662 01:00:51,114 --> 01:00:55,483 Vince, I have never heard anything like the report... 663 01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:58,883 ...the raiding officers turned in on this gang up here. 664 01:00:59,055 --> 01:01:05,324 Drugs, sex orgies, dozens of girls running around naked. 665 01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:09,730 Hell, they were charging all over the landscape... 666 01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:12,868 ...in a bunch of dune buggies they brought up here. 667 01:01:13,036 --> 01:01:17,871 They had field phones strung all over the area. 668 01:01:20,209 --> 01:01:24,669 You- You know this Charlie thinks he's Jesus Christ. 669 01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:26,872 Yeah, so I heard. 670 01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:30,277 Vince... 671 01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:34,980 ...what exactly are you looking for? - Remember that. 22 I told you about? 672 01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:38,127 Come on, there are no guns here. 673 01:01:38,294 --> 01:01:41,195 This place has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb. 674 01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:43,628 Well, at the LaBianca residence... 675 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,769 ...the credit cards were stolen, and her driver's license. 676 01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:48,995 Maybe they stole some dresses. 677 01:01:49,172 --> 01:01:50,434 Hey. 678 01:01:50,606 --> 01:01:55,737 - These dresses come from good stores. - Maybe we can find some blood stains. 679 01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:59,609 At the Tate residence, a killer left a bloody heel print on the porch. 680 01:01:59,782 --> 01:02:03,741 There was a little mark, a little indentation. If I could match that up... 681 01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:21,395 - Hey, Ross, did you find anything? - Oh, yeah, everything except blood. 682 01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:26,304 This is the filthiest mess of clothes I've seen. It should be cleaned, then burned. 683 01:02:26,476 --> 01:02:28,535 - What time you got? -3:30. 684 01:02:28,711 --> 01:02:33,614 - Already? You sure about that thing? - Within a minute, you could bet on it. 685 01:02:33,783 --> 01:02:38,982 It gets dark early up here. I think we should start back. 686 01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:44,352 Independence, California, November 21, 1969. 687 01:02:52,802 --> 01:02:57,933 Lisa Armbruster, 25, also known as Richie. Married name, Mrs. Charles Nicholas. 688 01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:04,239 Cindy Jane Orelia, 21, also known as Freckles, also known as Martha Ellen Fry. 689 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:15,053 Excuse me, girls. I've been looking for you. 690 01:03:15,224 --> 01:03:17,954 Aren't you Cindy and Lisa? 691 01:03:19,428 --> 01:03:24,422 - I'm Vincent Bugliosi. - Oh, the DA from L.A.? 692 01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:27,659 Did you enjoy your trip to the ranch? 693 01:03:27,837 --> 01:03:32,501 We visited Charlie in the jailhouse. He told us you were there. 694 01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:36,509 Well, how'd you girls like to have a little chat with me this afternoon? 695 01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:40,772 Sure, if you'll buy us some candy. 696 01:03:46,589 --> 01:03:51,526 You two are the first actual members of the Manson Family I've had a chance to talk to. 697 01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:56,521 - You seem very happy. - We are. 698 01:03:56,699 --> 01:04:01,102 - Mr. Fowles has a very nice office. - Are you always this happy? 699 01:04:02,371 --> 01:04:05,135 - What's the secret? - We found the truth. 700 01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:08,743 - What's the truth? - Charlie is love. 701 01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,707 Charlie is love. Is that it? 702 01:04:12,882 --> 01:04:17,410 - How do you mean, the male-female sense? - Well, that's it, but that's only a part. 703 01:04:17,587 --> 01:04:21,489 - Love is love. You can't define it. - Did Charlie teach you that? 704 01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:27,758 Charlie taught us to look at ourselves and see the love within. 705 01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:36,831 When you accompanied Charlie up to Barker Ranch in that bus... 706 01:04:37,006 --> 01:04:40,066 ...how did he get it over the washouts? - He flew it. 707 01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:42,134 You mean-? 708 01:04:42,578 --> 01:04:46,241 You actually believe Charlie made the bus fly over the washouts? 709 01:04:47,583 --> 01:04:49,483 Oh, we were there. 710 01:04:50,486 --> 01:04:52,750 Do you believe he's Jesus Christ? 711 01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:03,890 When you were at Spahn Ranch, Charlie assigned you to keep house... 712 01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:08,093 ...for George Spahn. Is that right? - Yes. I love George. 713 01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,240 Is your love for Charlie different than for George Spahn? 714 01:05:11,407 --> 01:05:14,205 No. Love is love. 715 01:05:14,377 --> 01:05:16,743 Come on. George Spahn is over 80 years old. 716 01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:22,315 I'm in love with George. If he asked me to marry him, I would. 717 01:05:22,485 --> 01:05:26,012 He's a beautiful person inside. 718 01:05:26,455 --> 01:05:28,685 And he's a good lover too. 719 01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,894 Actually, I'm not very interested in your sex life, Cindy. 720 01:05:33,262 --> 01:05:36,288 What I am very, very interested in is what you may know... 721 01:05:36,465 --> 01:05:39,457 ...about the Tate, Hinman, LaBianca and other murders. 722 01:05:39,635 --> 01:05:46,063 - We don't know anything about any crimes. - All we know or care about is love. 723 01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:49,343 I see. 724 01:05:49,512 --> 01:05:54,415 Well, do you mind telling me where you two were on the nights of August 8 and 9? 725 01:05:54,583 --> 01:05:57,677 There's no such thing as time. 726 01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:00,847 There's only love. 727 01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:16,000 Okay, Charlie, let's get going. Gate's open. Unlocked. 728 01:06:18,541 --> 01:06:20,168 Gate open. 729 01:06:24,246 --> 01:06:26,806 Okay, Charlie. Let's go. 730 01:06:28,684 --> 01:06:34,213 Charlie, tell me, what is it you got against these earthmoving machines anyhow? 731 01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:37,553 That's the pigs ripping off nature, man. 732 01:06:37,727 --> 01:06:40,855 Is that a fact? Well, let's go. Come on. 733 01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:07,345 Three months after the Tate-LaBianca murders... 734 01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,686 ...Manson is arraigned at the Inyo-Kern County courthouse... 735 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:14,091 ...for the destruction of the county's earthmoving equipment. 736 01:07:16,766 --> 01:07:22,227 I understand Manson's going to plead not guilty to setting fire to that machine. 737 01:07:22,405 --> 01:07:25,568 - He'll get bail. - Ask for as high a bail as possible. 738 01:07:25,741 --> 01:07:28,869 You can hold him till I'm ready for the grand jury in L.A. 739 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,842 Okay. 740 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:39,486 Five deputies for me? What do you gentlemen do when you get a real baddy? 741 01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:50,695 - That's Jesus Christ. - What'd you do with his disciples? 742 01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:54,266 They sound alike, say the same thing, nobody tells me anything. 743 01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:59,636 That's telling me something. Manson is exercising domination over these girls. 744 01:08:01,944 --> 01:08:05,004 The way we can get them to talk is to bring them to L.A... 745 01:08:05,181 --> 01:08:07,775 ...away from him, and question them separately. 746 01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:13,149 The wandering troubadour act of his. It's part of a con to get us to underestimate him. 747 01:08:13,489 --> 01:08:16,788 If he looks like he's gonna make bail, give me a call in L.A. 748 01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:18,517 Okay. 749 01:08:32,308 --> 01:08:37,405 The Manson girls are transferred from Independence to L.A. County jurisdiction. 750 01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:58,565 Pigs, bye-bye. 751 01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:18,579 I've talked to the girls, Danny, and I believe Manson had enough domination... 752 01:09:18,754 --> 01:09:22,588 ...to send them to do anything. - Not just the girls. Clem, Tex, Bobby- 753 01:09:22,758 --> 01:09:28,162 Why? Why would he send them to kill Sharon Tate and everybody in that house? 754 01:09:28,364 --> 01:09:31,527 They didn't go there to rob them. They didn't take anything. 755 01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:36,694 See, Charlie taught the Family that pigs just deserve to die. 756 01:09:36,906 --> 01:09:38,931 I mean, that's all they were good for. 757 01:09:39,108 --> 01:09:43,442 He wanted to kill the pigs, blame it on the niggers and start a race war. 758 01:09:43,612 --> 01:09:45,705 Why a race war? 759 01:09:47,316 --> 01:09:48,840 Well... 760 01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:54,088 ...Charlie was always preaching that the karma was turning, you know? 761 01:09:54,256 --> 01:09:56,986 And it was blackies turn to be on top. 762 01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:01,425 - But why? - I don't know. That's just what he said. 763 01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,789 Who did he call pigs? 764 01:10:05,801 --> 01:10:07,166 The establishment. 765 01:10:08,737 --> 01:10:12,195 Pigs. They use that word a lot, don't they? 766 01:10:13,943 --> 01:10:15,740 That's right. 767 01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:18,107 All the time. 768 01:10:18,614 --> 01:10:21,276 Well, if the other girls talked like you say, fine. 769 01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:24,853 More power to you. Why do you need me? 770 01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:28,979 Leslie Van Houten is interrogated by Sergeant O'Neal of homicide, L.A.P.D. 771 01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:31,820 I wanna know who was involved. 772 01:10:32,361 --> 01:10:35,057 I wanna know how it went down, all the details. 773 01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,689 I said I'd talk about it if I changed my mind. 774 01:10:38,867 --> 01:10:41,199 I haven't changed my mind yet. 775 01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,634 You're gonna have to talk about it someday. 776 01:10:43,806 --> 01:10:46,866 Maybe, but not today. 777 01:10:47,042 --> 01:10:52,207 Hey, how did you ever trace it back to Spahn? 778 01:10:53,282 --> 01:10:55,910 Who did you see leave the night of August 8? 779 01:10:56,085 --> 01:11:01,717 I went to bed early that night. Really, I don't want to talk about it. 780 01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:08,156 - Why are you trying to protect them? - I don't need to protect nobody. 781 01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:11,197 You couldn't meet a nicer bunch of people. 782 01:11:11,367 --> 01:11:14,336 The Family's no more, Leslie. Charlie's in jail. 783 01:11:14,503 --> 01:11:16,095 - Not for long. - Clem's in jail. 784 01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:18,672 Boots killed himself playing Russian roulette. 785 01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,365 Boots dead? 786 01:11:20,976 --> 01:11:23,968 Playing Russian roulette? How? Who else was there? 787 01:11:24,146 --> 01:11:26,273 - Cisco Budge. - Was Cisco playing too? 788 01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:27,779 No. 789 01:11:29,084 --> 01:11:32,212 Boots was playing Russian roulette all by himself. 790 01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:34,656 Kind of odd, isn't it? 791 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,285 Yeah, it's odd. 792 01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:40,656 Leslie... 793 01:11:40,829 --> 01:11:45,027 ...we know that five people went to the Tate residence. Three girls and two men. 794 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,997 We know that one was Charles. 795 01:11:47,202 --> 01:11:50,228 I don't think Charlie was in on any of them. 796 01:11:50,406 --> 01:11:54,137 There were only four people went up there and three of them were girls. 797 01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:57,211 I heard one girl didn't murder anyone while they was- 798 01:11:57,379 --> 01:12:00,109 - They were up there. - No? Who was that? 799 01:12:00,582 --> 01:12:02,140 Girl by the name of Linda. 800 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:03,649 - Linda who? - I don't know. 801 01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:07,050 - Who told you she was there? - I don't remember! 802 01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:12,155 I don't remember who told me little details. 803 01:12:13,228 --> 01:12:18,962 Susan Atkins told 15 people in the jailhouse she was there and that she took part in it. 804 01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:21,466 That's incredible. 805 01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:26,539 Didn't she mention anyone else? 806 01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:30,110 - Charlie and Katie. - Not Charlie. Charles. 807 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:33,009 He's Tex. Tex Watson. 808 01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:39,644 - She mentioned Tex and Katie? - That's right. 809 01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:43,357 That's pretty nauseating. 810 01:12:47,162 --> 01:12:51,656 She said that Katie was there. Now, I know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel. 811 01:12:51,867 --> 01:12:55,166 And you know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel. 812 01:12:57,973 --> 01:13:01,067 She said she went out the next night and killed two people. 813 01:13:01,477 --> 01:13:03,638 Sadie said that? 814 01:13:05,214 --> 01:13:08,206 I'm not saying another word. Nothing! 815 01:13:09,818 --> 01:13:12,946 Leslie, when you help me, you're helping yourself. 816 01:13:13,756 --> 01:13:18,318 If Boots was found playing Russian roulette, I could be found playing Russian roulette. 817 01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:24,457 - We'll give you 24-hour protection. - Oh, that would really be nice. 818 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,264 I'd rather stay in jail. 819 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:39,643 Based on inadvertent bits of information leaked by Leslie Van Houten and others... 820 01:13:39,815 --> 01:13:44,946 ...and interviews with detectives, L.A.P.D. issues warrants for arrests of three persons. 821 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,884 That's right, sheriff, Charles Denton Watson. 822 01:13:48,056 --> 01:13:52,356 Male Caucasian, 6-feet-2, 160 pounds... 823 01:13:52,528 --> 01:13:57,227 ...slim build, ruddy complexion, born December 2, 1945. 824 01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:59,367 -5-foot-3. -187 P.C. Murder. 825 01:14:02,738 --> 01:14:07,675 22 years old, brown hair, blue eyes. That's correct, sir. 826 01:14:07,843 --> 01:14:11,677 Krenwinkel, Patricia. 187 P.C. 827 01:14:11,847 --> 01:14:17,376 Linda Kasabian, age 20, no physical description, present address unknown. 828 01:14:17,553 --> 01:14:19,714 - Hi, Vince. - How you doing? 829 01:14:20,355 --> 01:14:23,153 Talked to Sheriff Ansel in Watson's hometown in Texas. 830 01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:25,623 Watson's there. Sheriff's gonna pick him up. 831 01:14:25,794 --> 01:14:29,890 Ansel, Ansel. Watson used that name. He's using his hometown sheriff's name? 832 01:14:30,065 --> 01:14:32,863 - Second cousins. - I smell extradition problems. 833 01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:34,434 - Maybe good news. - What? 834 01:14:34,603 --> 01:14:38,869 Watson was busted on a drug charge in Van Nuys on April 23 and fingerprinted. 835 01:14:39,041 --> 01:14:42,704 I sent the fingerprints down to latent print section on rush order. 836 01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:45,574 - You come up with anything? - We're working on it. 837 01:14:45,747 --> 01:14:48,238 When we find it, we'll give it to you. 838 01:14:51,386 --> 01:14:52,785 Right. 839 01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,221 Thank you. 840 01:14:57,759 --> 01:14:59,784 Print on Watson's right ring finger... 841 01:14:59,962 --> 01:15:03,523 ...matches the latent thumb on the front door to the Tate residence. 842 01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:11,662 I'll buy you a cup of coffee. That's the first piece of physical evidence... 843 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,638 ...connecting any of the suspects to the crime scene. 844 01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:18,143 - What about Manson? - Not one of the five girls will discuss him. 845 01:15:18,313 --> 01:15:22,113 - Not even Van Houten. - So the big fish is still out of the net. 846 01:15:22,284 --> 01:15:26,414 - The only shot we have is Atkins, Vince. - Immunity for the little monster. 847 01:15:26,588 --> 01:15:31,116 - We don't have much choice. - A minute ago I was happy, now I'm down. 848 01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,751 No matter who we convict, if Charlie and Sadie go free, we failed. 849 01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:39,299 Partial failure, maybe. Partial isn't as bad as total failure. 850 01:15:39,668 --> 01:15:43,695 Somehow judging my life by the size of my failures doesn't really grab me. 851 01:15:45,841 --> 01:15:48,901 Concord, NH. Three months, two weeks after the slayings... 852 01:15:49,077 --> 01:15:53,309 ...Linda Kasabian, hearing that a warrant is out for her, surrenders to police. 853 01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,150 In McKinney, Texas... 854 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,347 ...Sergeant Phil Cohen telephones his report to L.A.P.D. 855 01:16:03,692 --> 01:16:09,255 The sheriff, Ansel, won't let us talk to Watson or even take his fingerprints. 856 01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,167 I don't know. 857 01:16:13,335 --> 01:16:17,203 We're not gonna get much cooperation from these good old boys down here... 858 01:16:17,372 --> 01:16:20,136 ...as far as getting Watson to L.A. To stand trial. 859 01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:25,971 Listen. Before we go in, Dennis, let's check signals. 860 01:16:26,148 --> 01:16:27,945 I want this to be a short meeting. 861 01:16:28,116 --> 01:16:30,914 This is to confirm with the DA what we've discussed. 862 01:16:31,086 --> 01:16:34,453 The best deal that we can give Susan is if she cooperates... 863 01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:39,583 ...and testifies truthfully before the jury about the Hinman, Tate, LaBianca cases... 864 01:16:39,761 --> 01:16:44,494 ...then we will not seek the death penalty against her in those cases, okay? 865 01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:49,296 You won't use her testimony against her or her codefendants at the trial. 866 01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:52,372 - We're getting the short end. - She's all we've got. 867 01:16:52,541 --> 01:16:56,204 At least we'll get indictments. I don't want a lot of renegotiation... 868 01:16:56,378 --> 01:16:58,676 ...to start after we get in Younger's office. - I'm with you. 869 01:16:58,847 --> 01:17:00,974 - He knows how lucky he is. - Aaron, Vince! 870 01:17:01,149 --> 01:17:04,084 - Lieutenant, you know Dennis? - I've seen him around. 871 01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,050 - Could I speak to you alone? - I'll meet you inside. 872 01:17:07,222 --> 01:17:09,053 Right. Right, guy. 873 01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:12,589 We got an exemplar of Krenwinkel's prints from Mobile. 874 01:17:12,761 --> 01:17:15,252 The print of the little finger on her left hand... 875 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:19,093 ...matches a latent that Gerebone lifted off a door in Tate's bedroom. 876 01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:21,167 - You do good work. - Most of the time. 877 01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:24,169 - Who's your friend? - It's great having physical evidence... 878 01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:27,797 ...but I've gotta have the 22 Buntline and a case against Manson. 879 01:17:36,918 --> 01:17:40,786 Now you know that the grand jury proceedings are secret... 880 01:17:43,025 --> 01:17:45,687 Thank you very much, gentlemen! Thank you. 881 01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:56,198 - Where did you first meet Charlie? - I was living in his house in Haight-Ashbury. 882 01:17:56,371 --> 01:18:00,068 Were there other young men and women living in that house with you? 883 01:18:00,242 --> 01:18:01,869 Oh, sure. 884 01:18:02,044 --> 01:18:06,276 Would it be fair and accurate to say that as a group you were into drugs? 885 01:18:06,448 --> 01:18:08,916 Sure, that would be accurate. 886 01:18:09,084 --> 01:18:12,281 - Shall I get back to Charlie? - Yes, go ahead, please. 887 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,754 Charlie's looking at us right now, and he can hear everything we're saying. 888 01:18:17,926 --> 01:18:20,588 Susan, Charlie is up in Independence, in jail. 889 01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,160 You're not capable of understanding. 890 01:18:26,501 --> 01:18:28,401 Well... 891 01:18:29,271 --> 01:18:32,707 ...I was sitting in the living room, this is about two years ago... 892 01:18:33,075 --> 01:18:36,374 ...and a man walked in, and he had a guitar with him. 893 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:40,675 And all of a sudden he was surrounded by girls, and he started to sing. 894 01:18:40,849 --> 01:18:42,942 He sounded like an angel. 895 01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:46,485 - You are referring to Charles Manson? - Yes. 896 01:18:47,656 --> 01:18:50,750 A couple of days later, he asked me to go for a walk... 897 01:18:50,926 --> 01:18:54,828 ...and we walked a couple of blocks to another house... 898 01:18:54,996 --> 01:18:57,692 ...and he told me he wanted to make love with me. 899 01:18:57,866 --> 01:19:01,495 I acknowledged the fact that I wanted to make love with him. 900 01:19:01,670 --> 01:19:05,800 And when I had all my clothes off, he told me... 901 01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:09,466 ...to go over to the mirror and look at myself. 902 01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:16,178 I didn't wanna do it, but he took me by the hand and made me do it. 903 01:19:17,753 --> 01:19:21,655 And he said, "Go ahead and look at yourself. 904 01:19:21,823 --> 01:19:25,691 There's nothing wrong with you. You're perfect. 905 01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:28,227 You always have been perfect. " 906 01:19:29,297 --> 01:19:34,291 - Did you have sexual intercourse with him? - Yes. 907 01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:37,229 Was there any limit to what you would do for him? 908 01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,965 - No. - Did you steal for him? 909 01:19:41,877 --> 01:19:47,474 For him? Well, I stole. We all stole. Credit cards, cars, other things. 910 01:19:47,716 --> 01:19:50,742 Did Charlie Manson ask you to steal for him? 911 01:19:50,919 --> 01:19:55,481 No, I took it upon myself. I was... 912 01:19:55,657 --> 01:19:59,252 - We get programmed. - Programmed by Charlie? 913 01:20:00,328 --> 01:20:02,990 By Charlie, but... 914 01:20:04,299 --> 01:20:07,166 It's hard for me to explain it so that... 915 01:20:07,335 --> 01:20:12,568 ...you can see the way- The way I see. 916 01:20:12,741 --> 01:20:18,077 The words that would come from Charlie's mouth would not come from inside him. 917 01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:22,307 They would come from- From what I call the infinite. 918 01:20:23,151 --> 01:20:27,212 - The infinite? - Yes. The infinite. 919 01:20:38,033 --> 01:20:44,268 On the eighth of August, did Charlie instruct you and other members to do anything? 920 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,637 Well, I never recall getting any actual instructions from Charlie, other than... 921 01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:55,010 ...getting a change of clothing and a knife and was told to do what Tex told me to do. 922 01:20:55,183 --> 01:20:58,277 Did he tell you the type of clothing you should take? 923 01:20:58,453 --> 01:21:01,047 He said to wear dark clothes. 924 01:21:01,489 --> 01:21:03,650 And who went with you that night? 925 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,286 Katie, Tex and Linda. 926 01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,693 And Tex said we were going to a house that used to belong to Terry Melcher. 927 01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:20,171 The only reason we were going there was because Tex knew the outline of the house. 928 01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:24,108 Did Tex tell you why you were going to Terry Melcher's former residence? 929 01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:27,248 To get all the money and kill whoever was there. 930 01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,883 Didn't make any difference who. You were told to kill them all? 931 01:21:32,053 --> 01:21:33,520 Yes. 932 01:21:33,688 --> 01:21:37,522 - Did all of you girls enter at the same time? - Only two of us entered. 933 01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:40,490 - One stayed outside. - And who stayed outside? 934 01:21:40,662 --> 01:21:42,789 Linda Kasabian. 935 01:21:47,035 --> 01:21:51,904 And Frykowski ran for the front door, yelling for somebody to come and help him. 936 01:21:52,073 --> 01:21:56,567 When he did, Tex got to him and started hitting him over the head with the gun butt. 937 01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,237 When the gun butt broke, he started stabbing him. 938 01:22:01,383 --> 01:22:03,283 Well... 939 01:22:03,451 --> 01:22:08,821 ...when I came out of the house, I saw Tex stabbing Abigail Folger three or... 940 01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:11,356 I don't know how many times. 941 01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:15,121 Katie and I were looking for Linda because she wasn't around. 942 01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:19,200 Then Tex went over to where the other man was on the lawn. 943 01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:21,501 - Frykowski? - Yes. 944 01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:23,861 And Tex kicked him in the head... 945 01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:28,203 ...and the body didn't move very much, and I believe it was dead at the time. 946 01:22:31,212 --> 01:22:33,806 We have a juror who would like to be excused... 947 01:22:33,982 --> 01:22:37,383 ...for just a couple of minutes. 948 01:22:51,833 --> 01:22:54,927 And then Tex told me to go back in the house... 949 01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:57,503 ...and write something in the victim's blood. 950 01:22:57,672 --> 01:23:00,641 "Something that would shock the world," he said. 951 01:23:01,643 --> 01:23:05,773 Well, I'd previously been involved in something similar to this... 952 01:23:05,947 --> 01:23:08,939 ...where I saw "political piggy" written on the wall. 953 01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:11,551 So that stuck very heavily in my mind. 954 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,148 So I went back in the house and walked over to Sharon Tate, and I heard sounds. 955 01:23:19,861 --> 01:23:22,022 What kind of sounds were they? 956 01:23:22,764 --> 01:23:27,064 Gurgling sounds, like blood flowing into the body out of the heart. 957 01:23:28,036 --> 01:23:29,936 What did you do then? 958 01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:36,302 I picked up the towel, turned my head and touched her chest... 959 01:23:36,478 --> 01:23:41,211 ...and at the same time, I saw that she was pregnant. 960 01:23:41,383 --> 01:23:47,686 And I knew that there was a living being inside of that body, and I wanted to... 961 01:23:47,856 --> 01:23:51,383 ...but I didn't have the courage to go ahead and take it. 962 01:23:54,896 --> 01:23:58,195 I took the towel with Sharon Tate's blood... 963 01:23:58,366 --> 01:24:03,702 ...walked over to the door, and with the towel wrote "pig" on the door. 964 01:24:09,878 --> 01:24:14,372 And when we got back to the ranch, Charlie was waiting for us. 965 01:24:14,549 --> 01:24:18,007 He wanted to know what we were doing home so early. 966 01:24:18,186 --> 01:24:21,678 Tex told him basically what we had done. He said: 967 01:24:21,856 --> 01:24:25,257 "It all happened fast and there was a lot of panic. " 968 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:32,163 He said, "Boy, it sure was helter skelter. " And then... 969 01:24:32,934 --> 01:24:36,597 ...I wiped the car down for blood, and I went to bed. 970 01:24:36,771 --> 01:24:39,638 I made love to someone. 971 01:24:39,808 --> 01:24:45,576 Clem, I think. I'm not sure. Maybe I imagined it. 972 01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:53,678 Now we come to the second night, the night of August the ninth. 973 01:24:54,689 --> 01:24:57,920 Well, that evening Charlie told me again... 974 01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:02,496 ...to go ahead and get an extra set of clothing, and I looked at him... 975 01:25:02,664 --> 01:25:04,791 ...and I knew what he wanted me to do. 976 01:25:04,966 --> 01:25:08,561 And I gave a sort of sigh and went and did what he asked me to do. 977 01:25:09,003 --> 01:25:10,698 Who went with you that night? 978 01:25:10,972 --> 01:25:13,839 Charlie and Katie and Tex and Linda and- 979 01:25:14,008 --> 01:25:17,375 - Charlie went with you that night? - He was in the car, yes. 980 01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:19,536 - Who else? - And Leslie. 981 01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,705 - Leslie Van Houten? - Yes. 982 01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:31,324 And then Katie said the woman heard her husband being killed and started to scream: 983 01:25:31,493 --> 01:25:34,053 "What are you doing to my husband?" 984 01:25:36,064 --> 01:25:39,591 And then Katie said that she then proceeded to stab the woman. 985 01:25:40,101 --> 01:25:42,331 Katie told you this the next morning? 986 01:25:43,037 --> 01:25:47,371 Like I said, Charlie and Linda and I drove off after they went into the house. 987 01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:50,678 Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman down. 988 01:25:50,879 --> 01:25:52,176 Rosemary LaBianca? 989 01:25:52,347 --> 01:25:55,942 We found out later it was Rosemary LaBianca. 990 01:25:56,951 --> 01:26:00,751 Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman down because she was fighting... 991 01:26:00,922 --> 01:26:03,083 ...all the way up until she died. 992 01:26:04,058 --> 01:26:07,755 Then Katie said she went in the living room with a fork in her hand... 993 01:26:07,929 --> 01:26:11,524 ...looked at the man's stomach, put the fork in his stomach... 994 01:26:11,699 --> 01:26:14,862 ...and watched it wobble back and forth. 995 01:26:17,405 --> 01:26:19,999 She said she carved the word "war" on his stomach. 996 01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:22,769 Then did Katie, Tex and Leslie leave the house? 997 01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:27,038 No. First they wrote some stuff in blood. 998 01:26:27,215 --> 01:26:31,914 "Death to all pigs," I think, and "Helter Skelter" and "arise. " 999 01:26:32,086 --> 01:26:35,988 Then they took a shower, went in the kitchen and made something to eat. 1000 01:26:36,591 --> 01:26:40,823 Susan, what do the words "pig" and "Helter Skelter" mean to you and your Family? 1001 01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:45,895 "Pig" was a word used to describe the establishment. 1002 01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:49,935 But you must understand that all words had no meaning to us. 1003 01:26:50,104 --> 01:26:54,268 - And "Helter Skelter" was explained to me. - By whom? 1004 01:26:54,442 --> 01:26:55,704 Charlie. 1005 01:26:57,111 --> 01:27:02,811 I don't like to say Charlie. I'd like to say the words came from his mouth... 1006 01:27:02,984 --> 01:27:07,114 ...that Helter Skelter was to be the last war on the face of the Earth. 1007 01:27:07,288 --> 01:27:13,557 It would be all wars that had been fought built one on top of the other, something... 1008 01:27:13,728 --> 01:27:17,630 ...no man can conceive in his imagination. 1009 01:27:26,174 --> 01:27:31,874 You can't conceive of what it would be like to see every man judge himself... 1010 01:27:32,046 --> 01:27:36,745 ...and then take it out on every other man all over the face of the Earth. 1011 01:28:09,183 --> 01:28:12,277 Sunday, December 14, 1969. 1012 01:28:12,453 --> 01:28:14,751 Four months after the murders took place... 1013 01:28:14,922 --> 01:28:18,153 ...the world begins to read Susan Atkins' story of the murders. 1014 01:28:21,663 --> 01:28:25,224 Hey, Charlie. Hear what happened? 1015 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,632 Your little tootsie sold her story to the newspapers. It's all in there. 1016 01:28:29,804 --> 01:28:34,332 How you done it. How they done it, all on your orders. 1017 01:28:34,876 --> 01:28:37,071 Think you're a big deal, don't you? 1018 01:28:37,245 --> 01:28:41,682 Well, I wanna tell you, your butt is in a sling. 1019 01:28:42,917 --> 01:28:47,911 Know what they're gonna do to you? They're gonna walk you the long walk. 1020 01:28:48,623 --> 01:28:51,251 They're gonna drop the pill on you, Charlie. 1021 01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:55,992 What do you think of that, huh? Huh? 1022 01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:11,270 It's the same story she gave the grand jury. 1023 01:29:11,646 --> 01:29:15,138 Can't use that. Can't use this. 1024 01:29:15,316 --> 01:29:18,649 They'll claim a fair trial's impossible. Too much publicity. 1025 01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:22,153 It's gonna be hard finding jurors that haven't heard about this. 1026 01:29:22,323 --> 01:29:24,621 This just makes a tough trial tougher. 1027 01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:29,419 Susan's lawyer swears the sale was made only for European publication. 1028 01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:32,791 He has no idea how The Times got ahold of the story. 1029 01:29:32,967 --> 01:29:34,434 Just a fortunate accident. 1030 01:29:34,602 --> 01:29:38,698 The Los Angeles County grand jury hands down the following indictments: 1031 01:29:38,873 --> 01:29:41,603 Leslie Van Houten, in custody in Los Angeles... 1032 01:29:41,776 --> 01:29:45,712 ...two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1033 01:29:46,247 --> 01:29:49,705 Susan Atkins, in custody in Los Angeles, seven counts of murder... 1034 01:29:49,884 --> 01:29:52,409 ...and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1035 01:29:53,454 --> 01:29:56,355 Charles Tex Watson, in custody in McKinney, Texas... 1036 01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:59,982 ...seven counts of murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1037 01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:04,359 Patricia Katie Krenwinkel, in custody in Mobile, Alabama... 1038 01:30:04,532 --> 01:30:08,525 ...seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1039 01:30:14,075 --> 01:30:16,339 Linda Kasabian, in custody in Los Angeles... 1040 01:30:16,511 --> 01:30:19,639 ...seven counts of murder, one of conspiracy to commit murder. 1041 01:30:21,549 --> 01:30:24,518 Charles Manson, in custody in Independence, California... 1042 01:30:24,685 --> 01:30:29,019 ...seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. 1043 01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:37,563 - Hi, Manny. - Hey, Vince. 1044 01:30:37,732 --> 01:30:42,465 You're not supposed to be walking alone. You're on Manson's death list. 1045 01:30:42,637 --> 01:30:44,229 Oh, wonderful. 1046 01:30:44,505 --> 01:30:47,599 Glad you came. I'm doing the arraignments in four minutes. 1047 01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:50,573 Phil and I brought Charlie from Independence today- 1048 01:30:50,644 --> 01:30:54,307 You sneaked him in, didn't you? I don't want him talking to the girls. 1049 01:30:54,481 --> 01:30:56,745 The girls don't even know he's here. 1050 01:30:56,917 --> 01:30:59,477 Good. All I have to do is get a case against him. 1051 01:30:59,653 --> 01:31:01,780 Don't worry, you'll nail the bastard. 1052 01:31:01,955 --> 01:31:04,048 You better come up with some big nails. 1053 01:31:04,224 --> 01:31:07,091 Right now I've got an indictment. That's all I've got. 1054 01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:11,060 This little Sadie will exercise her right not to testify at the trial... 1055 01:31:11,231 --> 01:31:14,200 ...and since it's all I got, I'm finished before I start. 1056 01:31:14,368 --> 01:31:17,531 Can't use her testimony against her or her codefendants. 1057 01:31:17,704 --> 01:31:19,968 We'll find something for you, Vince. 1058 01:31:44,364 --> 01:31:49,734 Hurry. With what we've got now, the judge will throw the case out before trial. 1059 01:32:09,923 --> 01:32:12,858 Krenwinkel's fighting extradition. 1060 01:32:14,227 --> 01:32:16,593 I grant the continuance. 1061 01:32:27,507 --> 01:32:32,069 Mr. Bugliosi, Charlie's very close. 1062 01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,003 He's sending vibes. 1063 01:32:34,181 --> 01:32:37,014 You better believe Charlie's got power, Mr. Bugliosi. 1064 01:32:37,184 --> 01:32:41,644 Once in the desert he picked up a dead bird and breathed on it, and it flew away. 1065 01:32:48,762 --> 01:32:50,627 Can you believe it? 1066 01:32:50,797 --> 01:32:53,129 The girls are separated so they can't talk... 1067 01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:57,498 ...Manson's brought here in maximum secrecy and still they found out he's here. 1068 01:32:57,671 --> 01:33:00,139 Jailhouse scuttlebutt cuts through anything. 1069 01:33:00,307 --> 01:33:03,640 Yeah, they'd love us to think they find out by Manson's magic. 1070 01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:05,402 Wanna hear a joke? 1071 01:33:05,579 --> 01:33:09,208 Del Arnold, Watson's lawyer, is the son of Oscar Arnold. 1072 01:33:09,382 --> 01:33:12,977 Who's Oscar Arnold? He's the campaign manager for the candidate... 1073 01:33:13,153 --> 01:33:15,587 ...who's running for Attorney General of Texas. 1074 01:33:15,755 --> 01:33:19,691 Who's the candidate? Why, Judge Anthony Milo, that's who. 1075 01:33:19,860 --> 01:33:24,024 Who's Anthony Milo? He's the judge who hears our request to extradite Watson... 1076 01:33:24,197 --> 01:33:26,722 ...so we can try him on seven counts of murder... 1077 01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:31,701 ...and who grants delay after delay to the client of the son of his campaign manager. 1078 01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,375 Although he wouldn't allow personal considerations to get in justice's way. 1079 01:33:36,543 --> 01:33:38,443 After all, he's a good old boy from Texas. 1080 01:33:38,612 --> 01:33:42,139 I hadn't thought of it that way. I forgot. I got a meeting. 1081 01:33:42,315 --> 01:33:46,411 That's funny. That hasn't happened before. My watch stopped. 1082 01:34:08,675 --> 01:34:12,406 Charles Manson, under indictment for the seven Tate-LaBianca murders... 1083 01:34:12,579 --> 01:34:16,379 ...is to be tried with codefendants Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel... 1084 01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:18,814 ...Leslie Van Houten and Charles Tex Watson. 1085 01:34:19,185 --> 01:34:23,144 The California Penal Code provides that if at the end of the people's case... 1086 01:34:23,323 --> 01:34:27,020 ...the court feels the prosecution failed to put enough evidence to sustain... 1087 01:34:27,193 --> 01:34:31,061 ...a conviction on appeal, the judge is empowered to acquit the defendant. 1088 01:34:31,231 --> 01:34:34,359 The consensus in the legal community now is that Manson... 1089 01:34:34,534 --> 01:34:39,164 ...who has boasted of 35 murders will soon be a free man. 1090 01:34:43,643 --> 01:34:46,908 Four months and one week after the slaughter of the victims... 1091 01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,811 ...an event takes place that still embarrasses the L.A. Police Department. 1092 01:34:50,984 --> 01:34:53,782 "Started the car and Tex told her to get over. 1093 01:34:53,954 --> 01:34:57,947 We all got into the car and there was nothing but just blood and exhaustion. 1094 01:34:58,124 --> 01:35:01,582 We had blood on us, so we changed our clothes as we were driving. 1095 01:35:01,761 --> 01:35:05,527 We went for a ride to look for a place to dump the bloody black clothes. 1096 01:35:05,699 --> 01:35:07,758 We drove along a steep embankment. 1097 01:35:07,934 --> 01:35:12,496 I got a picture in my mind and all it shows me is the side of a mountain and a road. " 1098 01:35:12,672 --> 01:35:15,197 Then they had to turn right off Elysium Drive. 1099 01:35:15,375 --> 01:35:18,071 There's none of that stuff heading to Beverly Hills. 1100 01:35:18,244 --> 01:35:20,838 "We stopped, Linda got out, I'm sure of that... 1101 01:35:21,014 --> 01:35:25,314 ...and threw all the clothes drippy with blood and knives as fast as she could... 1102 01:35:25,485 --> 01:35:29,979 ...over the side of the embankment down a ravine, I guess you'd call it. " 1103 01:35:30,156 --> 01:35:32,454 Okay, let's go. Start changing your clothes. 1104 01:35:33,059 --> 01:35:38,053 Show this beautiful torso of mine in broad daylight? Some chick will go over the side. 1105 01:35:48,074 --> 01:35:51,566 Look out for cops. With our luck we'll get picked up for exposure. 1106 01:35:51,745 --> 01:35:53,269 Maybe. 1107 01:35:53,446 --> 01:35:56,938 - Just keep your eyes on the road. - Yeah, don't worry about it. 1108 01:36:01,755 --> 01:36:05,213 - How you doing? - Okay, getting there. Wait a minute. 1109 01:36:05,392 --> 01:36:07,758 - Beautiful pair of legs yourself. - Yeah. 1110 01:36:07,927 --> 01:36:11,454 Hey, I can see the evening news. Three guys from ABC picked up... 1111 01:36:11,631 --> 01:36:13,997 ...for undressing in a canyon. 1112 01:36:16,569 --> 01:36:20,665 You never know. We'll take a shot at it. Hey, two cuties at 3:00... 1113 01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,502 ...coming right behind us. - You're kidding. 1114 01:36:23,677 --> 01:36:25,201 - They're coming up. - Are they? 1115 01:36:25,378 --> 01:36:26,970 - Yeah. - Great, baby. 1116 01:36:27,147 --> 01:36:28,808 - Terrific. - We're getting there. 1117 01:36:30,784 --> 01:36:32,411 Here they come. 1118 01:36:34,788 --> 01:36:36,312 - Hello, girls. - How you doing? 1119 01:36:36,489 --> 01:36:38,320 Hi, sweetie. 1120 01:36:40,460 --> 01:36:42,451 Bye-bye. 1121 01:36:49,169 --> 01:36:51,160 - Okay, I'm done. - You done in the back? 1122 01:36:51,337 --> 01:36:54,363 - I'm done. Yep. - Okay. All right, finished, right? Okay. 1123 01:36:54,541 --> 01:36:57,009 It's 6 minutes and 20 seconds. All right. 1124 01:36:57,177 --> 01:37:01,307 The first wide shoulder I come to in the road, I'm gonna pull over. 1125 01:37:38,685 --> 01:37:42,018 Hey, looks like clothes down there. 1126 01:37:57,737 --> 01:37:59,602 There's a whole wardrobe down here. 1127 01:38:07,046 --> 01:38:09,446 December 16, 1969. 1128 01:38:09,616 --> 01:38:12,813 Four months and one week after the Tate-LaBianca murders. 1129 01:38:13,052 --> 01:38:14,383 Hello? 1130 01:38:14,554 --> 01:38:16,454 My name is Ben Quint. 1131 01:38:16,623 --> 01:38:21,651 I'm calling about a gun that may be the gun that was used in the Tate murders. 1132 01:38:21,828 --> 01:38:24,023 You see, my son found- 1133 01:38:24,731 --> 01:38:29,361 Quint. Q-U-I-N-T. Quint. 1134 01:38:30,236 --> 01:38:32,761 My son found a. 22 caliber revolver. 1135 01:38:32,939 --> 01:38:36,966 We turned it over to the Van Nuys Police and- 1136 01:38:38,344 --> 01:38:42,542 First of September. Labor Day. It was just two weeks after the Tate murders. 1137 01:38:42,715 --> 01:38:44,410 And- 1138 01:38:45,685 --> 01:38:48,176 What do you mean, you don't keep guns that long? 1139 01:38:49,088 --> 01:38:52,785 I cannot believe that you would throw away what might be the single... 1140 01:38:52,959 --> 01:38:57,157 ...most important piece of evidence in the Tate murders. Now, I- 1141 01:38:57,831 --> 01:39:01,733 Yeah, but this was not just any gun. This was- 1142 01:39:04,804 --> 01:39:06,203 Hello? 1143 01:39:06,873 --> 01:39:08,500 Hello? 1144 01:39:10,577 --> 01:39:12,477 He hung up on me. 1145 01:39:13,079 --> 01:39:14,876 He what? 1146 01:39:22,689 --> 01:39:28,025 Says they haven't got time to check out every citizen report on every gun they find. 1147 01:39:28,862 --> 01:39:32,320 No wonder nobody feels safe anywhere in the world. 1148 01:39:32,498 --> 01:39:34,932 I'm gonna call Clete Roberts at Channel 2. 1149 01:39:35,101 --> 01:39:40,334 Maybe a newscaster has the power to expose this kind of cynicism. 1150 01:40:17,911 --> 01:40:20,709 Take these bullets to the lab, will you, Sam? 1151 01:40:25,952 --> 01:40:28,443 The one on the left is the test bullet. 1152 01:40:28,621 --> 01:40:32,614 The one on the right was the bullet taken from Jay Sebring's body. 1153 01:40:32,825 --> 01:40:37,159 Now, there's no doubt that it's the same one that was fired from the. 22 Buntline. 1154 01:40:37,330 --> 01:40:38,854 Let me take a look. 1155 01:40:46,472 --> 01:40:47,700 That burns me up. 1156 01:40:47,874 --> 01:40:51,674 We could've had it months ago. The department has its share of incompetence. 1157 01:40:51,844 --> 01:40:54,074 So does the DA's office, from what I hear. 1158 01:40:54,247 --> 01:40:58,274 Not to mention the United States Senate, the FBl, the Department of State. 1159 01:40:58,451 --> 01:41:02,285 Hank, do me a favor, please. Just help me hang this gun on Manson. 1160 01:41:07,293 --> 01:41:09,488 Lawyers play with people. 1161 01:41:09,662 --> 01:41:11,323 And I'm a person. 1162 01:41:11,497 --> 01:41:14,091 And I won't be played with in this matter. 1163 01:41:14,267 --> 01:41:17,703 Even though they may know all there is to know about the law... 1164 01:41:17,870 --> 01:41:22,273 ...they don't understand the free-love society of the generation gap. 1165 01:41:22,542 --> 01:41:27,536 And they don't understand people that are trying to get out from underneath all of this. 1166 01:41:27,847 --> 01:41:32,614 There's not an attorney in the world who can represent me as a person. 1167 01:41:32,785 --> 01:41:35,185 I have to do it myself. 1168 01:41:35,355 --> 01:41:37,289 Mr. Manson... 1169 01:41:37,457 --> 01:41:40,517 ...I've tried my best to convince you... 1170 01:41:40,693 --> 01:41:43,719 ...that the complexities in this case... 1171 01:41:43,896 --> 01:41:49,232 ...require the best possible legal minds. 1172 01:41:49,535 --> 01:41:51,799 Why don't you understand that? 1173 01:41:51,971 --> 01:41:56,806 Christmas Eve, 1969. Judge Keene, unable to convince Manson that he is making... 1174 01:41:56,976 --> 01:42:02,209 ...a "sad and tragic mistake" grants him permission to serve as his own lawyer. 1175 01:42:04,117 --> 01:42:06,551 Watson's attorney told the press he'll fight... 1176 01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:10,280 ...to keep his client in Texas if it means going to the Supreme Court. 1177 01:42:10,456 --> 01:42:13,687 Watson and Krenwinkel. The only two that are scientifically... 1178 01:42:13,860 --> 01:42:16,021 ...connected to the crime. - Out of reach. 1179 01:42:16,195 --> 01:42:18,959 Temporarily. What if Manson demands an immediate trial? 1180 01:42:19,132 --> 01:42:23,592 - He's got a right to go within 60 days. - He'll do it if he finds out we're in trouble. 1181 01:42:23,770 --> 01:42:25,237 No question. 1182 01:42:26,339 --> 01:42:27,806 Hey, Aaron... 1183 01:42:27,974 --> 01:42:29,236 ...why don't we bluff? 1184 01:42:29,409 --> 01:42:32,810 If Manson thinks we're in a hurry, maybe he'll start stalling. 1185 01:42:33,713 --> 01:42:36,944 Worth a try. Let's do it. You got a lot of toys for the kids? 1186 01:42:37,116 --> 01:42:40,574 - That's Gail's department. - Merry Christmas, Scrooge. 1187 01:42:40,753 --> 01:42:43,313 Oh, thanks, Santa Claus. Happy Hanukkah. 1188 01:42:45,158 --> 01:42:47,683 Hey, Santa Claus, it's 2:00. 1189 01:42:47,860 --> 01:42:50,351 How long can you go on working 100 hours a week? 1190 01:42:51,230 --> 01:42:54,529 I just bought myself a hell of a Christmas present. A motive. 1191 01:42:54,801 --> 01:42:57,497 The kids will be up early. I'll finish all of this. 1192 01:42:57,670 --> 01:43:01,003 - If you're gonna get any sleep at all- - These are crazy crimes. 1193 01:43:01,174 --> 01:43:04,632 An ordinary motive won't do. Robbery, revenge, none of them fit. 1194 01:43:04,811 --> 01:43:08,941 They took a few things, but left more. Almost as if taking was an afterthought. 1195 01:43:09,115 --> 01:43:12,380 They didn't know them and had nothing personal against them... 1196 01:43:12,552 --> 01:43:15,783 ...except they were pigs, establishment people whose crime... 1197 01:43:15,955 --> 01:43:18,856 ...was working, sleeping in beds, getting married- 1198 01:43:19,025 --> 01:43:20,287 And taking baths. 1199 01:43:21,794 --> 01:43:25,286 Susan Atkins said that Manson was trying to ignite Helter Skelter. 1200 01:43:25,465 --> 01:43:28,798 She described it as the final war, all the wars rolled into one. 1201 01:43:28,968 --> 01:43:32,335 An apocalyptic vision in which the black man would take over. 1202 01:43:32,505 --> 01:43:35,474 - That's unbelievable. - Unbelievable, right? Too far out. 1203 01:43:35,641 --> 01:43:38,075 Maybe we just better start believing it anyhow. 1204 01:43:38,711 --> 01:43:42,807 Five and a half months after the killings, Judge Dell sits in for Judge Keene. 1205 01:43:42,982 --> 01:43:47,078 I ought to have the same rights and privileges as any other attorney. 1206 01:43:47,487 --> 01:43:51,514 But I wanna interview Linda Kasabian and Sadie Mae Glutz... 1207 01:43:51,691 --> 01:43:54,455 ...and their attorneys say that I can't. 1208 01:43:54,627 --> 01:43:56,754 They have a right to do that, Mr. Manson. 1209 01:43:56,996 --> 01:43:59,464 Well, I got a message from Sadie. 1210 01:43:59,632 --> 01:44:03,568 And she told me the district attorney made her say what she said. 1211 01:44:04,103 --> 01:44:06,663 That's too nonsensical to respond to, Your Honor. 1212 01:44:06,839 --> 01:44:11,276 Your Honor, the people are prepared to go to trial at the earliest possible date. 1213 01:44:14,747 --> 01:44:17,409 I'm not ready, Your Honor. I need more time. 1214 01:44:23,289 --> 01:44:25,757 Continuance granted to February 9th. 1215 01:44:36,903 --> 01:44:40,395 That's one way to get a message to Sadie. Tell the press we coerced her. 1216 01:44:40,573 --> 01:44:44,703 It's the next best thing to picking up the phone and telling her how to recant. 1217 01:44:45,178 --> 01:44:46,907 Hi, guy. 1218 01:44:52,451 --> 01:44:56,182 The exact measurements of the LaBianca knife wounds. Okay. 1219 01:44:56,355 --> 01:44:57,617 But why? 1220 01:44:57,790 --> 01:45:01,886 I need to prove that some wounds were made by knives other than the kitchen's. 1221 01:45:02,195 --> 01:45:03,856 I don't get it. 1222 01:45:04,397 --> 01:45:07,093 If the wounds were made by the LaBianca's knives... 1223 01:45:07,266 --> 01:45:11,259 ...the logical inference would be that they entered the residence unarmed... 1224 01:45:11,437 --> 01:45:14,372 ...then killed the LaBianca's with their kitchen knives. 1225 01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:16,735 Defense counsel could raise a good point. 1226 01:45:16,909 --> 01:45:20,538 If Manson sent them to kill, why would he send them unarmed? 1227 01:45:21,247 --> 01:45:24,478 Oh, right. Good thinking, Vince. 1228 01:45:27,787 --> 01:45:30,813 - Hi, Manny. - Hey, Vince. I just got word that- 1229 01:45:30,990 --> 01:45:32,981 This album's got all the words on it. 1230 01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:36,526 Yeah, I know. All the stuff that they wrote on the walls. 1231 01:45:38,364 --> 01:45:39,661 You knew about that? 1232 01:45:39,832 --> 01:45:43,324 Well, sure. I talked to Art and Mark about it only a week or so... 1233 01:45:43,502 --> 01:45:45,834 ...after Tate was killed. - Give me strength. 1234 01:45:46,005 --> 01:45:48,872 I even put it in the report, but it seemed so, you know... 1235 01:45:49,041 --> 01:45:51,305 - Weird. Too far out. - Yeah. Crazy. 1236 01:45:51,477 --> 01:45:53,001 - Unbelievable. - You said it. 1237 01:45:53,179 --> 01:45:57,616 No, unbelievable how in a crime like this, everyone looks for conventional clues... 1238 01:45:57,783 --> 01:46:00,445 ...instead of crazy ones. - I got good news for you. 1239 01:46:00,620 --> 01:46:03,418 Lieutenant got word they're gonna turn Watson over. 1240 01:46:03,589 --> 01:46:05,318 - It's about time. - How about that? 1241 01:46:05,491 --> 01:46:09,325 The Texas Secretary of State just signed the extradition order. 1242 01:46:09,495 --> 01:46:13,022 Listen, you're not gonna try and make a motive out of this... 1243 01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,794 ...Helter Skelter stuff are you? Nobody will buy it. 1244 01:46:16,969 --> 01:46:18,596 Unbelievable? 1245 01:46:18,771 --> 01:46:21,001 Manny, do you ever light those things? 1246 01:46:21,173 --> 01:46:22,970 Nope. 1247 01:46:23,209 --> 01:46:25,040 Unbelievable. 1248 01:46:29,649 --> 01:46:33,085 You're arraigned on seven counts of murder... 1249 01:46:33,252 --> 01:46:37,120 ...and one count of conspiracy to murder. 1250 01:46:37,290 --> 01:46:40,225 Five months after the killings, Kasabian is arraigned... 1251 01:46:40,393 --> 01:46:43,760 ...on seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy to commit murder. 1252 01:46:43,929 --> 01:46:45,897 Keene accepts her plea of not guilty. 1253 01:46:46,065 --> 01:46:49,091 At the same time in McKinney, Texas, Judge Anthony Milo... 1254 01:46:49,268 --> 01:46:51,862 ...vacates the extradition order on Charles Watson... 1255 01:46:52,038 --> 01:46:54,700 ...and grants another 30-day continuance. 1256 01:46:55,474 --> 01:46:59,672 Hey! Come on, girls, get it on! Free Charlie! 1257 01:46:59,845 --> 01:47:01,676 Charlie! 1258 01:47:09,588 --> 01:47:12,853 Right. Okay, thanks, guy. Yeah. 1259 01:47:13,459 --> 01:47:15,051 Vince. 1260 01:47:15,227 --> 01:47:17,661 Vince, I got some good news and some bad news. 1261 01:47:18,531 --> 01:47:20,499 Why don't you keep the bad news? 1262 01:47:20,666 --> 01:47:24,466 George Brewer wants to make an immunity deal for Linda Kasabian. 1263 01:47:25,404 --> 01:47:28,532 Oh, I'd much rather have her than Susan. 1264 01:47:29,141 --> 01:47:31,541 But we're already legally committed to Susan. 1265 01:47:31,711 --> 01:47:34,009 It's bad enough we had to give her anything. 1266 01:47:34,180 --> 01:47:37,377 I don't believe this. Krenwinkel in Alabama, Watson in Texas. 1267 01:47:37,550 --> 01:47:40,383 We may not get them back here in time for the trial. 1268 01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,985 Van Houten, she wasn't along on the night of the Tate murders. 1269 01:47:44,256 --> 01:47:48,283 No way, we make deals with Atkins and Kasabian, who do we prosecute on Tate? 1270 01:47:48,461 --> 01:47:51,487 Just Charlie? And his is the weakest case we've got. 1271 01:47:51,664 --> 01:47:55,930 People won't stand for it. In Bel Air, the fear's so real you could feel it. 1272 01:47:56,102 --> 01:47:58,536 Relax, will you? Relax. I said he offered her. 1273 01:47:58,704 --> 01:48:00,763 We may be glad to have her one day. 1274 01:48:00,940 --> 01:48:02,737 Take a look at some of those ones. 1275 01:48:02,908 --> 01:48:07,072 Copies of things Lisa, Cindy and Gypsy have been sending to Susan and Linda. 1276 01:48:07,279 --> 01:48:12,182 "Always think of the now. No time to look back, no time to say how. " 1277 01:48:12,351 --> 01:48:15,218 In other words, don't say anything. On Manson's orders. 1278 01:48:15,388 --> 01:48:18,687 He wants them to drop lawyers so they'll have a united defense. 1279 01:48:18,858 --> 01:48:21,486 Susan's gonna repudiate her grand-jury testimony. 1280 01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:25,653 And refuse to take the stand. A blanket defense that fails to convict Manson... 1281 01:48:25,831 --> 01:48:29,164 ...sets them free. If I have time, I can make a case. 1282 01:48:29,335 --> 01:48:31,496 You don't have time! 1283 01:48:35,641 --> 01:48:37,472 Where's the missing link? 1284 01:48:37,643 --> 01:48:39,440 The motive. 1285 01:48:39,779 --> 01:48:41,747 The personal motive. 1286 01:48:42,848 --> 01:48:45,316 You're gonna get up there in front of that jury... 1287 01:48:45,484 --> 01:48:48,681 ...and try to convince them that Manson wanted to start a war... 1288 01:48:48,854 --> 01:48:51,982 ...between blacks and whites, so the blacks could take over. 1289 01:48:52,158 --> 01:48:54,353 - Right. - Charlie Manson, who hates blacks? 1290 01:48:54,527 --> 01:48:56,051 Vince, they'll lock you up. 1291 01:48:56,228 --> 01:48:59,288 DeCarlo and others told me that was the way Manson thought. 1292 01:48:59,465 --> 01:49:03,401 I interviewed Death Valley miners. He preached the same philosophy to them. 1293 01:49:03,569 --> 01:49:06,800 Like Hitler. Remember those magazines I found at Barker Ranch? 1294 01:49:06,972 --> 01:49:09,497 - The ones with articles on Hitler? - Yes. 1295 01:49:09,675 --> 01:49:14,203 I asked a miner if Manson ever said anything about Hitler, and he said yeah. 1296 01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:19,613 Manson said Hitler was a tuned-in guy who wanted to level the karma of the Jews. 1297 01:49:21,253 --> 01:49:23,187 That's the kind of stuff he said. 1298 01:49:23,355 --> 01:49:26,153 I'm gonna find out enough to convince you and a jury- 1299 01:49:26,325 --> 01:49:29,522 Vince. Vince, I'm on your side, remember? 1300 01:49:32,798 --> 01:49:36,165 - Hey, I'm sorry. - It's frustrating. 1301 01:49:36,769 --> 01:49:38,031 Yeah. 1302 01:49:38,204 --> 01:49:42,197 That creep. Bodies all over the place. Who knows how many? If he walks... 1303 01:49:42,374 --> 01:49:45,172 ...and they get on the street- - I know what you mean. 1304 01:49:47,746 --> 01:49:51,807 I know you do, Aaron, I know. It's just I gotta bitch to somebody. 1305 01:50:00,125 --> 01:50:02,093 Besides Gail. 1306 01:50:04,263 --> 01:50:06,060 Are you kidding? 1307 01:50:06,232 --> 01:50:08,598 Yeah, besides Gail. 1308 01:50:09,001 --> 01:50:11,697 - She's getting used to it. - Oh? 1309 01:50:13,239 --> 01:50:15,104 I don't believe me. 1310 01:50:15,274 --> 01:50:18,004 I've got an interview, and I'm sitting here with you. 1311 01:50:20,179 --> 01:50:21,476 Good luck. 1312 01:50:21,647 --> 01:50:23,444 Oh, let me show you this. 1313 01:50:23,616 --> 01:50:25,584 The new secret weapon. 1314 01:50:26,218 --> 01:50:27,913 The Bible? 1315 01:50:28,087 --> 01:50:31,250 If all else fails, pray, right? 1316 01:50:38,095 --> 01:50:42,054 Paul, I understand you were sort of Manson's right-hand man at one time. 1317 01:50:42,233 --> 01:50:43,495 What exactly did you do? 1318 01:50:43,668 --> 01:50:47,502 Well, one of the things I did was I got girls for him. 1319 01:50:47,672 --> 01:50:51,267 - You got girls? - Charlie'd say, "I need some new love. " 1320 01:50:51,442 --> 01:50:56,880 He used to call the girls young loves. So I'd go out and get him one or two. 1321 01:50:57,815 --> 01:51:01,342 Do you mind if I turn this on, Paul? I wanna just record this. 1322 01:51:05,156 --> 01:51:07,989 Testing, testing, one, two, three. Testing. 1323 01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:09,558 - Go ahead. - Testing. 1324 01:51:09,727 --> 01:51:13,163 1.98 marked down from a dollar and a half. 1325 01:51:18,135 --> 01:51:21,400 - Testing, testing. - 1.98 marked- 1326 01:51:26,277 --> 01:51:27,642 Okay. 1327 01:51:27,812 --> 01:51:30,303 Now, I want to go into a lot of things with you. 1328 01:51:30,481 --> 01:51:35,646 - The orgies Manson supposedly organized. - Did organize. Did organize. 1329 01:51:35,820 --> 01:51:37,685 His domination of the Family. 1330 01:51:37,855 --> 01:51:42,485 His attitude toward death, fear, the Beatles, the Bible. 1331 01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,287 How did he do it? Did he use fear? 1332 01:51:45,463 --> 01:51:47,522 Well, sure. That was a big part of it. 1333 01:51:47,698 --> 01:51:51,099 Charlie was always saying that fear was beautiful. 1334 01:51:51,268 --> 01:51:53,930 I must have heard him tell the Family 50 times... 1335 01:51:54,105 --> 01:51:56,801 ...they ought to live in a constant state of fear. 1336 01:51:56,974 --> 01:51:58,373 Yeah, but why? 1337 01:51:58,542 --> 01:52:01,909 Well, to Charlie, fear was the same thing as awareness. 1338 01:52:02,079 --> 01:52:05,310 The more fear you had, the more awareness you had. 1339 01:52:05,583 --> 01:52:07,915 The more awareness, the more love. 1340 01:52:08,085 --> 01:52:12,146 You know what it's like? It's like when you're really all scared out. 1341 01:52:12,323 --> 01:52:14,883 You know, and you come to now. 1342 01:52:15,059 --> 01:52:20,691 Well, when you're at now, you're totally conscious. 1343 01:52:21,065 --> 01:52:23,556 So he wanted people to be afraid, is that it? 1344 01:52:23,734 --> 01:52:25,224 The more fear the better. 1345 01:52:25,403 --> 01:52:30,807 Charlie said that death was beautiful because people fear death. 1346 01:52:31,375 --> 01:52:34,640 Fear really turns Charlie on. 1347 01:52:37,081 --> 01:52:40,847 Paul, you seem like an independent sort of guy, not just a follower. 1348 01:52:41,018 --> 01:52:43,885 And yet you stayed with the Family for a long time. 1349 01:52:44,055 --> 01:52:47,149 Was it just the girls or was there some other reason? 1350 01:52:47,324 --> 01:52:50,225 I thought Charlie was Christ. 1351 01:53:00,838 --> 01:53:05,639 Vince, don't like to interrupt you, but you looked like you could use some good news. 1352 01:53:05,810 --> 01:53:08,711 Krenwinkel gave up her fight against extradition. 1353 01:53:08,879 --> 01:53:11,040 That's right. She'll be out here tomorrow. 1354 01:53:11,515 --> 01:53:15,576 - Looks like our luck is changing. - Hey, man, karma. Karma. 1355 01:53:15,753 --> 01:53:18,517 Right, right, karma. Right. 1356 01:53:19,056 --> 01:53:23,857 Now, Paul, while my luck is running, I wanna get to the subject of motive, okay? 1357 01:53:24,028 --> 01:53:26,496 I talked to Greg Jakobson and Brooks Poston... 1358 01:53:26,664 --> 01:53:29,531 ...and they told me Charlie was always sounding off... 1359 01:53:29,700 --> 01:53:31,964 ...about the ninth chapter of Revelations. 1360 01:53:32,136 --> 01:53:34,263 Oh, yeah, the Beatles laid that on him. 1361 01:53:34,438 --> 01:53:38,067 You know, that White Album of theirs. Man, that blew Charlie's mind. 1362 01:53:38,242 --> 01:53:40,972 He said it was beautiful. 1363 01:53:41,312 --> 01:53:45,942 Charlie said that the Beatles were sending him messages through their music. 1364 01:53:46,117 --> 01:53:48,278 You know, like that song "Revolution 9." 1365 01:53:48,452 --> 01:53:52,115 Charlie dug it the most, man. He said it was beautiful. 1366 01:53:52,723 --> 01:53:56,716 I mean, Charlie was hip right away they were referring to Revelation 9. 1367 01:53:56,894 --> 01:54:00,990 I heard you knew about that, Paul, so I came prepared. 1368 01:54:04,401 --> 01:54:08,132 "The shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle. " 1369 01:54:08,305 --> 01:54:10,671 Right. Dune buggies. 1370 01:54:12,977 --> 01:54:17,107 "And on their heads were as it were crowns like gold... 1371 01:54:17,281 --> 01:54:21,217 ...and their faces were as the faces of men. " 1372 01:54:21,385 --> 01:54:24,650 Bright lights. Bright lights, you know. 1373 01:54:24,822 --> 01:54:29,225 "And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. " 1374 01:54:29,393 --> 01:54:32,055 The Beatles' long hair. 1375 01:54:32,797 --> 01:54:36,563 "And they had breastplates, as it were. Breastplates of iron. 1376 01:54:36,734 --> 01:54:39,601 - And-" - Electric guitars. 1377 01:54:40,337 --> 01:54:43,306 "The sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots... 1378 01:54:43,474 --> 01:54:46,272 ...of many horses running to battle. " - Oh, yeah. 1379 01:54:46,443 --> 01:54:51,380 Well, see, that's their music, you know, the rhythm and the volume of it. 1380 01:54:52,583 --> 01:54:57,680 "And they had tails like unto scorpions and there were stings in their tails. " 1381 01:54:57,855 --> 01:55:00,449 The wires leading to their electrical instruments. 1382 01:55:00,624 --> 01:55:04,492 Charlie had this thing come to him once, and he says... 1383 01:55:04,929 --> 01:55:08,490 I don't remember all of it. May I see that? 1384 01:55:09,366 --> 01:55:12,858 Yeah, down here. See it right here where it says: 1385 01:55:13,037 --> 01:55:17,667 "And the four angels were loosed. " That's the four Beatles. 1386 01:55:17,842 --> 01:55:21,972 "And the number of horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand. " 1387 01:55:22,146 --> 01:55:25,843 That's the motorcycle gangs roaming the Earth spreading destruction... 1388 01:55:26,016 --> 01:55:27,278 ...according to Charlie. 1389 01:55:27,451 --> 01:55:32,150 And look here. Right here again where it says "breastplates of fire. " 1390 01:55:32,323 --> 01:55:34,518 Electric guitars. 1391 01:55:35,526 --> 01:55:39,053 I wanna ask you specifically about that Verse 15 quote. 1392 01:55:39,496 --> 01:55:42,624 "The four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour... 1393 01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:46,292 ...and a day and a month and a year to slay the third part of men. " 1394 01:55:47,171 --> 01:55:51,505 Oh, Charlie said those were the people who would die in Helter Skelter. 1395 01:55:51,675 --> 01:55:55,941 One third of mankind, the white race. 1396 01:55:56,447 --> 01:55:58,347 Doesn't that include the Family? 1397 01:55:58,515 --> 01:56:01,848 No! No way, man. That's where the fifth angel comes in. 1398 01:56:02,486 --> 01:56:05,887 Isn't that the fifth Beatle, the one who was killed in 1962... 1399 01:56:06,056 --> 01:56:09,890 ...before they took the name Beatles? - Let me see this here. 1400 01:56:10,227 --> 01:56:11,455 Here. Right here. 1401 01:56:11,629 --> 01:56:16,726 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the Earth. 1402 01:56:16,901 --> 01:56:20,132 And to him was given the key to the bottomless pit. " 1403 01:56:21,105 --> 01:56:25,405 Hey, Mr. Bugliosi, it's no secret in the Family who the fifth angel is. 1404 01:56:25,576 --> 01:56:28,943 The ruler of the bottomless pit. It's Charlie. 1405 01:56:29,113 --> 01:56:32,173 So being in the bottomless pit, he'd survive. 1406 01:56:33,984 --> 01:56:37,215 Here. Now here's Verse 11. 1407 01:56:37,855 --> 01:56:39,755 Where is it? 1408 01:56:40,958 --> 01:56:42,448 Here's Verse 11. 1409 01:56:42,626 --> 01:56:47,188 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit... 1410 01:56:47,364 --> 01:56:51,164 ...whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon. " 1411 01:56:52,736 --> 01:56:56,763 You see, Mr. Bugliosi, you got the King James Version here. 1412 01:56:56,941 --> 01:56:58,966 Charlie had the Catholic version. 1413 01:56:59,143 --> 01:57:03,239 And in that version, the angel of the bottomless pit also had a Latin name. 1414 01:57:03,881 --> 01:57:07,544 - Do you remember what it was? - Sure. Exterminans. 1415 01:57:09,420 --> 01:57:11,513 Exterminans. 1416 01:57:11,922 --> 01:57:14,254 Charles Manson. 1417 01:57:14,425 --> 01:57:15,915 - It fits. - Yeah, right. 1418 01:57:16,093 --> 01:57:21,030 The way Charlie had it figured out was that the Beatles were sending him messages. 1419 01:57:21,198 --> 01:57:23,496 You know, that this was all coming down now. 1420 01:57:23,667 --> 01:57:27,899 Not next year or sometime in the future, but right now. 1421 01:57:28,072 --> 01:57:30,336 He'd play that song over and over again... 1422 01:57:30,507 --> 01:57:33,067 ...listen to every sound real close. 1423 01:57:33,243 --> 01:57:36,406 He said it was a message just for the tuned-in people. 1424 01:57:37,414 --> 01:57:38,574 That the Beatles favored the revolution. 1425 01:57:39,016 --> 01:57:41,541 But how was this revolution supposed to come about? 1426 01:57:41,719 --> 01:57:45,314 Well, according to Charlie... 1427 01:57:46,090 --> 01:57:49,821 ...blackie would rise up and start committing super atrocious crimes... 1428 01:57:49,994 --> 01:57:52,019 ...against whitey. 1429 01:57:52,196 --> 01:57:53,959 And this would start a race war. 1430 01:57:54,131 --> 01:57:56,463 Whitey and blackie would fight each other. 1431 01:57:56,633 --> 01:58:00,330 Hippie liberals and uptight conservatives would fight each other. 1432 01:58:00,504 --> 01:58:04,065 The Uncle Toms would fight the Panthers, and it'd be Helter Skelter. 1433 01:58:04,241 --> 01:58:08,268 War of all wars. Then when just about everybody was killed off... 1434 01:58:08,445 --> 01:58:12,438 ...then the black militants would come out of hiding and wipe them all out. 1435 01:58:12,616 --> 01:58:15,210 - All except for Charlie and the Family. - Right on. 1436 01:58:15,386 --> 01:58:17,354 They'd be in the pit in Death Valley. 1437 01:58:17,521 --> 01:58:20,490 And this is the way it would go down from then on. 1438 01:58:20,657 --> 01:58:23,592 Well, now the karma's turned, right? Blackie's on top. 1439 01:58:23,761 --> 01:58:26,628 Well, now, blackie's gotta clean up the mess. 1440 01:58:26,797 --> 01:58:30,494 Just like he's always done, clean up the mess the white man made. 1441 01:58:30,667 --> 01:58:33,795 Try to build that world back up a little bit. 1442 01:58:33,971 --> 01:58:38,305 But he wouldn't know what to do with it. He wouldn't be able to handle it. 1443 01:58:38,475 --> 01:58:41,535 To Charlie, the only thing the black man knows how to do... 1444 01:58:41,712 --> 01:58:43,236 ...is what whitey told him. 1445 01:58:43,414 --> 01:58:46,781 He wouldn't be able to run the world without whitey showing him. 1446 01:58:47,351 --> 01:58:51,219 - And that's where Charlie comes in. - Right, so they'd come to Charlie. 1447 01:58:51,388 --> 01:58:54,880 Now the Family's grown to 144,000. 1448 01:58:55,059 --> 01:58:58,290 That's in the Bible too. Let me see here. 1449 01:58:59,196 --> 01:59:00,891 Yeah. Right here. 1450 01:59:01,065 --> 01:59:03,693 "And I heard a number of them which were sealed... 1451 01:59:03,867 --> 01:59:08,304 ...and there were sealed 144,000." 1452 01:59:08,472 --> 01:59:12,875 Yeah, so they come to Charlie and there's 144,000 people. 1453 01:59:13,043 --> 01:59:15,136 A pure white master race. 1454 01:59:15,312 --> 01:59:18,509 And they say, "Massa, you gotta run it. " 1455 01:59:18,682 --> 01:59:21,810 Charlie says, "Hell, I'll scratch blackie's fuzzy head... 1456 01:59:21,985 --> 01:59:25,921 ...kick him in the butt and go tell him to pick cotton like a good nigger. " 1457 01:59:26,090 --> 01:59:29,582 Then the Family will emerge from the bottomless pit... 1458 01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:34,959 ...and Charlie will be king of the world, and we'll all live happily ever after. 1459 01:59:35,132 --> 01:59:37,828 All that's left is the Family and black servants? 1460 01:59:38,202 --> 01:59:40,568 According to the gospel of Charlie. 1461 01:59:40,737 --> 01:59:45,071 - King Charlie, the fifth angel Exterminans. - Yeah. 1462 01:59:45,242 --> 01:59:47,938 - But he got tired of waiting. - For Helter Skelter? 1463 01:59:48,112 --> 01:59:51,138 Right. You know, he said, "Well, blackie's got no smart. 1464 01:59:51,315 --> 01:59:54,546 Blackie just didn't know how to bring it on all down. " 1465 01:59:54,952 --> 01:59:59,355 He said, "I'm gonna have to show him how to do it. " 1466 02:00:00,457 --> 02:00:03,017 Charlie's gonna have to show him how to do it. 1467 02:00:05,496 --> 02:00:08,329 Do you remember exactly when he told you that, Paul? 1468 02:00:08,499 --> 02:00:12,663 Oh, I don't know. Last May- No, early June of last year. 1469 02:00:12,836 --> 02:00:16,272 Yeah, he comes to me. He comes to me, and he takes me down by... 1470 02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,000 ...the old trailers down at Spahn's Ranch. 1471 02:00:19,176 --> 02:00:24,170 And he's real frustrated, you know, like, really uptight about something. He says: 1472 02:00:24,348 --> 02:00:29,342 "The only thing the black man knows how to do is what whitey taught him to do. " 1473 02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,454 He was always saying that. 1474 02:00:31,622 --> 02:00:35,558 And he said, "I'm gonna have to show him how to do it. " 1475 02:00:35,726 --> 02:00:38,058 "I'm going to have to show him how to do it. " 1476 02:00:38,228 --> 02:00:41,857 Yeah, man, I've got some weird pictures from that, you know. 1477 02:00:42,633 --> 02:00:43,861 King of the world. 1478 02:00:44,034 --> 02:00:48,403 Hey, man, I split. I didn't want any part of whatever he was talking about. 1479 02:00:48,572 --> 02:00:52,303 I mean, I was hanging out there because I thought Charlie was Christ. 1480 02:00:52,476 --> 02:00:57,209 Then all this stuff with Exterminian vibes. I flashed on heavy weather ahead. 1481 02:00:58,382 --> 02:01:03,046 We never did anything out at the ranch before Charlie got on this Beatle thing... 1482 02:01:03,220 --> 02:01:07,213 ...but sit out there and smoke grass, trip out and orgy. 1483 02:01:07,391 --> 02:01:09,882 Charlie was always thinking about orgies. 1484 02:01:10,294 --> 02:01:13,161 Directing orgies, organizing orgies. 1485 02:01:13,497 --> 02:01:17,524 He'd pass around the acid, and he'd start dancing around, dancing around. 1486 02:01:17,701 --> 02:01:21,398 Everybody would get up and start following him, like a train. 1487 02:01:21,572 --> 02:01:24,200 Charlie, he'd take off his clothes... 1488 02:01:24,374 --> 02:01:28,037 ...then everybody would start taking off their clothes. 1489 02:01:31,215 --> 02:01:33,342 The missing motive. 1490 02:01:35,819 --> 02:01:37,787 Personal power. 1491 02:01:38,055 --> 02:01:40,216 King of the world, huh? 1492 02:01:40,424 --> 02:01:44,861 You know, I think the madness is catching. You've made a believer out of me. 1493 02:01:45,229 --> 02:01:48,892 Now, all you gotta do is make a believer out of a judge and 12 jurors. 1494 02:01:58,442 --> 02:01:59,841 Yeah. 1495 02:02:05,382 --> 02:02:06,781 Thanks. 1496 02:02:23,834 --> 02:02:28,430 Susan Atkins has announced that she denies everything she told the grand jury. 1497 02:02:28,605 --> 02:02:31,972 She will not testify at the trial under any circumstances... 1498 02:02:32,676 --> 02:02:35,645 ...and she's demanding to see Charlie. 1499 02:02:42,953 --> 02:02:46,411 Do we make the phone call now or wait 30 seconds? 1500 02:02:48,258 --> 02:02:50,089 To offer Linda Kasabian a deal? 1501 02:02:53,930 --> 02:02:56,899 Why not wait 30 seconds? We don't wanna seem too anxious. 1502 02:03:03,106 --> 02:03:05,336 Six and a half months after the murders... 1503 02:03:05,509 --> 02:03:10,776 ...Linda Kasabian agrees to testify at all trial proceedings against all defendants. 1504 02:03:10,947 --> 02:03:14,439 In return, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office agrees... 1505 02:03:14,618 --> 02:03:17,849 ...after testimony is given, to petition the superior court... 1506 02:03:18,021 --> 02:03:20,751 ...to grant her immunity from prosecution. 1507 02:03:22,192 --> 02:03:23,557 Hello, Linda. 1508 02:03:24,528 --> 02:03:26,792 Mr. Brewer's made an excellent deal for you. 1509 02:03:26,963 --> 02:03:30,490 I know. I didn't wanna wait for a deal, but he made me. 1510 02:03:30,667 --> 02:03:31,998 I'd have talked anyway. 1511 02:03:34,037 --> 02:03:38,030 - You would've? - I wanna get it out of my head. 1512 02:03:38,442 --> 02:03:40,706 I don't wanna carry it around anymore. 1513 02:03:42,279 --> 02:03:44,873 Manson argues a motion, the burden of which is... 1514 02:03:45,048 --> 02:03:47,744 ...that deputy district attorneys prosecuting him... 1515 02:03:47,918 --> 02:03:53,049 ...be incarcerated for a period of time under the same circumstances Manson was. 1516 02:03:53,223 --> 02:03:57,421 Judge Keene's response is to the effect that it has become abundantly clear... 1517 02:03:57,594 --> 02:04:00,461 ...Manson is incapable of acting as his own attorney. 1518 02:04:01,064 --> 02:04:03,498 There is no God in this courtroom. 1519 02:04:03,667 --> 02:04:07,000 - You're a mockery of justice! - You old fool! 1520 02:04:10,006 --> 02:04:11,530 Get those people out of here. 1521 02:04:15,879 --> 02:04:17,972 You're a joke! You're a joke! 1522 02:04:32,062 --> 02:04:36,158 Linda Kasabian gives birth to a son. She names the child Angel. 1523 02:04:39,069 --> 02:04:42,561 Important witness Paul Watkins is pulled from his burning camper... 1524 02:04:42,739 --> 02:04:46,470 ...with second degree burns over 25 percent of his face, arms and back. 1525 02:04:46,643 --> 02:04:49,203 The fire is of undetermined origin. 1526 02:04:55,519 --> 02:04:59,011 Manson files an affidavit of prejudice against Judge William Keene. 1527 02:04:59,189 --> 02:05:02,488 Judge Keene accepts Manson's challenge, disqualifies himself... 1528 02:05:02,659 --> 02:05:06,151 ...and the case is assigned to Judge Charles H. Older. 1529 02:05:14,504 --> 02:05:18,065 If Mr. Manson insists on having Mr. Scoville as his attorney... 1530 02:05:18,241 --> 02:05:20,209 ...I must grant the request. 1531 02:05:22,712 --> 02:05:27,706 If Your Honor please, I believe Mr. Scoville is a very sincere and conscientious man. 1532 02:05:28,218 --> 02:05:32,211 But it is well known that his cases become unduly long and complicated. 1533 02:05:32,823 --> 02:05:36,122 And even with lawyers known to handle matters expeditiously... 1534 02:05:36,293 --> 02:05:38,386 ...this trial could last four months. 1535 02:05:38,862 --> 02:05:41,456 Then let me represent me. 1536 02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:46,694 It would be a miscarriage of justice to allow you that... 1537 02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:49,566 ...in a case having the complications of this case. 1538 02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:52,970 Have you affirmed Mr. Scoville as your attorney? 1539 02:05:53,143 --> 02:05:55,873 I'm forced into a situation. 1540 02:05:57,814 --> 02:06:01,443 My second alternative is to cause you as much trouble as possible. 1541 02:06:03,653 --> 02:06:06,588 July 24, 1970, almost one year after the killings. 1542 02:06:16,433 --> 02:06:18,298 Come on, lady! 1543 02:06:23,406 --> 02:06:26,773 Did you read it? Did you hear what Charlie's saying to you? 1544 02:06:26,943 --> 02:06:28,342 Statement by Manson. 1545 02:06:28,512 --> 02:06:31,310 "I've X'd myself out of the world. " I'll read it later. 1546 02:06:31,481 --> 02:06:34,507 Yeah. I see that Kitty Lassiter is back with the Family. 1547 02:06:34,684 --> 02:06:38,518 Bobby Beausoleil's in the death house, this is probably all she has left. 1548 02:06:38,688 --> 02:06:42,021 I thought about the problem of having these people in the court. 1549 02:06:42,192 --> 02:06:44,592 Yeah. They'll conduct continuous harassment. 1550 02:06:44,761 --> 02:06:48,094 - No, they're not. They won't be there. - How's that gonna happen? 1551 02:06:48,265 --> 02:06:51,928 Prospective witnesses can't be in court while other witnesses testify. 1552 02:06:52,102 --> 02:06:54,627 So we're gonna subpoena all known Family members. 1553 02:06:54,804 --> 02:06:57,102 - Very good. Beautiful. - So they're excluded. 1554 02:06:57,274 --> 02:07:00,175 That limits the obstruction to the four defendants. 1555 02:07:14,257 --> 02:07:15,986 Oh, my God. 1556 02:07:16,793 --> 02:07:18,021 I love you. 1557 02:07:30,574 --> 02:07:32,337 All rise. 1558 02:07:33,143 --> 02:07:35,043 Department 104 is now in session. 1559 02:07:35,211 --> 02:07:39,204 The Honorable Judge Charles H. Older presiding. 1560 02:07:41,651 --> 02:07:43,448 Be seated, please. 1561 02:07:45,956 --> 02:07:48,424 Mr. Bugliosi, do you have an opening statement? 1562 02:07:48,592 --> 02:07:50,355 Yes, Your Honor. 1563 02:07:57,701 --> 02:08:00,898 Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring... 1564 02:08:01,071 --> 02:08:04,336 ...Abigail Ann Folger, Voytek Frykowski... 1565 02:08:04,507 --> 02:08:05,838 ...Steven Earl Parent... 1566 02:08:06,242 --> 02:08:10,201 ...Leno A. LaBianca, Rosemary LaBianca. 1567 02:08:10,714 --> 02:08:12,511 What kind of a diabolical mind... 1568 02:08:12,682 --> 02:08:16,379 ...would contemplate or conceive these seven murders? 1569 02:08:16,686 --> 02:08:19,746 We expect evidence at this trial to answer that question... 1570 02:08:19,923 --> 02:08:25,054 ...and show that defendant Charles Manson owned that diabolical mind. 1571 02:08:25,328 --> 02:08:30,595 Charles Manson, who the evidence will show, had the infinite humility, as it were... 1572 02:08:30,767 --> 02:08:34,100 ...to refer to himself as Jesus Christ. 1573 02:08:34,871 --> 02:08:38,272 The evidence will show Charles Manson to be a megalomaniac... 1574 02:08:38,441 --> 02:08:43,708 ...who coupled his insatiable thirst for power with an obsession for violent death. 1575 02:08:44,514 --> 02:08:49,178 The evidence will show Charles Manson to be the unquestioned leader and overlord... 1576 02:08:49,352 --> 02:08:53,482 ...of a nomadic band of vagabonds who call themselves "The Family. " 1577 02:08:54,924 --> 02:08:59,122 We anticipate in Mr. Manson's defense, he'll claim neither he nor anyone else... 1578 02:08:59,295 --> 02:09:03,527 ...was the leader of the Family and that he didn't order anyone to do anything... 1579 02:09:03,700 --> 02:09:05,497 ...much less commit these murders. 1580 02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:07,830 He's making our opening statement for us! 1581 02:09:08,171 --> 02:09:11,299 Overruled. You may continue, Mr. Bugliosi. 1582 02:09:12,008 --> 02:09:13,771 Thank you, Your Honor. 1583 02:09:15,211 --> 02:09:18,703 We therefore intend to show that Charles Manson was, in fact... 1584 02:09:18,882 --> 02:09:20,816 ...the dictatorial Family leader... 1585 02:09:21,117 --> 02:09:24,086 ...and that everyone in the Family was obedient to him... 1586 02:09:24,254 --> 02:09:29,419 ...and eventually they committed the seven Tate-LaBianca murders at his command. 1587 02:09:29,659 --> 02:09:34,722 Now, what about Charles Manson's followers, the other defendants in this trial? 1588 02:09:34,898 --> 02:09:39,699 Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten. 1589 02:09:39,869 --> 02:09:43,168 The evidence will show they, along with Charles Tex Watson... 1590 02:09:43,339 --> 02:09:46,866 ...were the actual killers of the seven Tate-LaBianca victims. 1591 02:09:47,477 --> 02:09:51,573 The evidence will show they were willing participants in these mass murders... 1592 02:09:51,748 --> 02:09:54,717 ...and that by their overkill tactics... 1593 02:09:54,884 --> 02:10:00,481 For instance, Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. 1594 02:10:00,657 --> 02:10:04,354 Voytek Frykowski was stabbed 51 times... 1595 02:10:04,861 --> 02:10:08,160 ...shot twice and struck violently over the head... 1596 02:10:08,331 --> 02:10:11,630 ...13 times with the butt of a revolver. 1597 02:10:12,969 --> 02:10:15,938 These defendants displayed that even apart from Manson... 1598 02:10:16,106 --> 02:10:18,666 ...murder ran through their own blood. 1599 02:10:20,744 --> 02:10:25,772 Now we come to the question that has been asked since these murders occurred. Why? 1600 02:10:25,949 --> 02:10:30,045 Why did Charles Manson order these seven murders? 1601 02:10:31,154 --> 02:10:32,849 Ladies and gentlemen... 1602 02:10:33,022 --> 02:10:36,651 ...the prosecution does not have any burden of proving motive. 1603 02:10:36,826 --> 02:10:42,287 We have no obligation to show one single, solitary speck of evidence as to motive. 1604 02:10:42,465 --> 02:10:46,561 However, when we have evidence of motive, we introduce it. 1605 02:10:46,736 --> 02:10:49,136 For if one has a motive for committing murder... 1606 02:10:49,305 --> 02:10:53,241 ...this is circumstantial evidence that it was he who committed the murder. 1607 02:10:53,576 --> 02:10:56,909 In this trial, we will offer evidence of Manson's motives... 1608 02:10:57,080 --> 02:10:59,173 ...for ordering these seven murders. 1609 02:10:59,349 --> 02:11:03,752 The evidence will show Manson's fanatical obsession with Helter Skelter... 1610 02:11:04,888 --> 02:11:08,415 ...a term he got from the English musical group The Beatles. 1611 02:11:08,858 --> 02:11:11,986 To Manson, Helter Skelter meant the black man rising up... 1612 02:11:12,162 --> 02:11:15,393 ...and destroying the entire white race. 1613 02:11:16,132 --> 02:11:20,228 That is, with the exception of Charles Manson and his chosen followers. 1614 02:11:20,570 --> 02:11:23,198 Keep it clear. Please, keep the aisle clear. 1615 02:11:23,373 --> 02:11:25,466 Gentlemen, keep it clear, please. 1616 02:11:25,642 --> 02:11:27,667 Stand back, please. 1617 02:11:28,545 --> 02:11:30,308 Keep it clear, please. 1618 02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:31,970 - Keep it- - You'll kill us all! 1619 02:11:32,148 --> 02:11:33,376 Kill us all! 1620 02:11:38,888 --> 02:11:40,321 Raise your right hand. 1621 02:11:40,490 --> 02:11:44,426 Object, on the grounds this witness is not competent and she's insane. 1622 02:11:44,594 --> 02:11:48,621 I ask the court to strike that and find him in contempt for gross misconduct. 1623 02:11:48,798 --> 02:11:51,164 - This is unbelievable! - Come to the bench. 1624 02:11:52,001 --> 02:11:55,801 The jury is admonished to disregard Mr. Scoville's comments. 1625 02:11:55,972 --> 02:11:59,430 Mr. Scoville's objections alleges Linda Kasabian is incompetent... 1626 02:11:59,742 --> 02:12:02,336 ...because she has taken LSD at least 300 times. 1627 02:12:02,512 --> 02:12:05,879 After 10 minutes of discussion, the objection is overruled. 1628 02:12:06,049 --> 02:12:07,914 Motion for a mistrial is denied. 1629 02:12:08,084 --> 02:12:12,453 The first question to Linda elicits another objection, another motion for mistrial. 1630 02:12:12,622 --> 02:12:17,423 After another 10 minutes' discussion, this second motion is also denied. 1631 02:12:17,594 --> 02:12:20,893 A pattern of incessant objections and motions is established... 1632 02:12:21,064 --> 02:12:25,660 ...yet, piece by piece, the story of Linda Kasabian and the Manson Family emerges... 1633 02:12:25,835 --> 02:12:29,293 ...from the hours of wrangling and obfuscation. 1634 02:12:31,507 --> 02:12:33,998 Mrs. Kasabian, do you have any children? 1635 02:12:34,177 --> 02:12:36,270 Yes. I have two children. 1636 02:12:36,446 --> 02:12:37,777 And what are their names? 1637 02:12:37,947 --> 02:12:39,972 Tanya and Angel. 1638 02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:42,413 When did you come to Los Angeles? 1639 02:12:42,585 --> 02:12:44,177 Maybe... 1640 02:12:44,654 --> 02:12:48,590 ...the 27th of June, 1969. 1641 02:12:48,758 --> 02:12:54,060 Did you first meet Gypsy, or Catherine Share on July 4, 1969? 1642 02:12:54,230 --> 02:12:55,720 Yes. 1643 02:12:55,999 --> 02:12:59,298 She had come to see a friend who lived in the truck with us. 1644 02:12:59,702 --> 02:13:02,500 Did she have anything to do with you going to Spahn Ranch? 1645 02:13:02,672 --> 02:13:04,572 - Yes, she did. - And how was that? 1646 02:13:06,409 --> 02:13:11,403 She told me that there was a beautiful man that we'd all been waiting for. 1647 02:13:42,211 --> 02:13:45,510 I became a member of a family. 1648 02:13:45,682 --> 02:13:49,083 Now, what do you mean by that, "a member of the Family"? 1649 02:13:49,252 --> 02:13:53,814 Well, we lived together as one family... 1650 02:13:54,190 --> 02:13:56,556 ...as a family lives together... 1651 02:13:56,726 --> 02:14:00,127 ...a mother and a father and children... 1652 02:14:00,296 --> 02:14:02,696 ...but we were all just one... 1653 02:14:02,865 --> 02:14:06,164 ...and Charlie was the head. 1654 02:14:25,888 --> 02:14:28,379 - How old are you, Vince? - Thirty-five. 1655 02:14:28,558 --> 02:14:32,927 You're lucky, you can go right from this case on into Social Security. 1656 02:14:33,563 --> 02:14:37,124 I was ready for his objections and motions. I've seen him in action. 1657 02:14:37,300 --> 02:14:41,396 What bothers me is he's sometimes effective. He keeps testimony out I want in. 1658 02:14:41,671 --> 02:14:44,538 For instance, today, I know he wore Judge Older down... 1659 02:14:44,707 --> 02:14:49,167 ...with his constant, "Objection, hearsay. " He said it over and over again until... 1660 02:14:49,345 --> 02:14:51,677 ...Older thought he was right and sustained. 1661 02:14:51,848 --> 02:14:54,908 If I can't use Linda Kasabian's testimony against Manson- 1662 02:14:55,084 --> 02:14:57,951 This is it: People v. Stevens. 1663 02:14:58,888 --> 02:15:00,981 This is the kind of statement we need. 1664 02:15:01,157 --> 02:15:05,025 The court rules in here that you can show the existence of a conspiracy... 1665 02:15:05,194 --> 02:15:09,858 ...by showing the relationship between the parties, including statements to each other. 1666 02:15:10,033 --> 02:15:11,830 Beautiful. 1667 02:15:15,805 --> 02:15:18,603 A little past mid-July, 1969... 1668 02:15:18,775 --> 02:15:22,506 ...did a group of Family members and guests gather at the back house? 1669 02:15:22,678 --> 02:15:25,146 - Yes, they did. - About how many people? 1670 02:15:25,314 --> 02:15:29,444 Objection, Your Honor, ambiguous as to time and also calling for a conclusion. 1671 02:15:29,752 --> 02:15:31,447 Overruled. 1672 02:15:32,355 --> 02:15:33,583 The Family... 1673 02:15:34,290 --> 02:15:39,193 ...maybe 20, and I believe there were three guests. 1674 02:15:39,362 --> 02:15:40,590 Four guests. 1675 02:15:42,098 --> 02:15:43,759 What took place that night? 1676 02:15:44,300 --> 02:15:45,824 Object, Your Honor. 1677 02:15:46,302 --> 02:15:48,429 Overruled, let's proceed. 1678 02:15:48,604 --> 02:15:51,596 - Do you have the question in mind? - Yes, I do. 1679 02:15:52,341 --> 02:15:56,675 There was one particular girl, I don't remember her name... 1680 02:15:57,580 --> 02:15:59,571 In view of the fact that the witness- 1681 02:15:59,749 --> 02:16:02,616 Don't interrupt the answer. Let's proceed. 1682 02:16:04,821 --> 02:16:07,153 She was very young. 1683 02:16:07,323 --> 02:16:09,883 I'd say about 16. 1684 02:16:10,059 --> 02:16:14,496 And she was quite shy, very withdrawn. 1685 02:16:15,031 --> 02:16:18,660 And I remember she was laying in the middle of the room... 1686 02:16:18,835 --> 02:16:24,535 ...and Charlie came over to her, and he started... 1687 02:16:25,074 --> 02:16:29,010 ...touching her and kissing her... 1688 02:16:30,313 --> 02:16:32,110 ...and you know. 1689 02:16:35,284 --> 02:16:38,048 Well, like, she was really rejecting him... 1690 02:16:38,988 --> 02:16:41,286 ...trying to push him off... 1691 02:16:41,824 --> 02:16:45,351 ...and he just sort of pushed her back down and kissed her. 1692 02:16:46,796 --> 02:16:52,200 At this point, she bit him on the shoulder, and he hit her in the face. 1693 02:16:52,368 --> 02:16:55,496 And then she just sort of let go or whatever. 1694 02:16:56,539 --> 02:17:01,203 And then he flashed the signal to Bobby Beausoleil to take over... 1695 02:17:04,947 --> 02:17:09,145 ...and do his thing, and then he told everybody... 1696 02:17:09,652 --> 02:17:15,090 ...to touch her and to kiss her and join in. 1697 02:17:16,592 --> 02:17:17,820 And everybody did. 1698 02:17:18,895 --> 02:17:22,558 Move to strike the entire answer as non-responsive and immaterial. 1699 02:17:22,732 --> 02:17:23,960 It's hearsay. 1700 02:17:24,133 --> 02:17:26,294 Join in the motion, may we approach? 1701 02:17:34,877 --> 02:17:36,936 We have to stick more to the point here. 1702 02:17:38,781 --> 02:17:42,148 What is the purpose of this extensive testimony about sex? 1703 02:17:42,418 --> 02:17:47,014 I'm trying to prove that Manson dominated even the sex lives of these people. 1704 02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:48,418 Motion's denied. 1705 02:17:48,591 --> 02:17:53,051 Your Honor, this is the most prejudicial- What Mr. Bugliosi is eliciting- 1706 02:17:53,229 --> 02:17:57,256 Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. The G is soft. It's Bugliosi. 1707 02:17:57,567 --> 02:18:00,559 - I'm sorry. - Let's proceed. 1708 02:18:00,736 --> 02:18:02,260 Thank you. 1709 02:18:12,548 --> 02:18:16,314 Did anyone who was present touch this girl before Charlie told them to? 1710 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:18,983 No, I don't believe so. 1711 02:18:19,155 --> 02:18:22,352 After everyone touched the girl, then what happened? 1712 02:18:23,226 --> 02:18:26,753 Then he told everybody to make love with everybody. 1713 02:18:26,929 --> 02:18:30,990 While you were at Spahn Ranch, did you have any discussions with Manson? 1714 02:18:31,167 --> 02:18:32,828 - Object! - Yes. 1715 02:18:33,436 --> 02:18:36,872 Just a minute, I will object, Your Honor, on the grounds of time. 1716 02:18:37,206 --> 02:18:38,434 Overruled. 1717 02:18:38,608 --> 02:18:42,840 In your discussions with Mr. Manson, did he ever talk about right and wrong? 1718 02:18:43,012 --> 02:18:45,776 - Yes. - Objection! This is leading and suggestive. 1719 02:18:45,948 --> 02:18:48,712 - Overruled. - What did he say? 1720 02:18:49,552 --> 02:18:52,487 He said there was no wrong- 1721 02:18:52,655 --> 02:18:55,954 Everything was all right, there was no wrong. 1722 02:18:56,192 --> 02:18:59,491 Did he ever say anything about willing to kill or be killed? 1723 02:18:59,662 --> 02:19:01,596 Leading and suggestive, Your Honor. 1724 02:19:01,764 --> 02:19:04,699 - Overruled. - He used to say: 1725 02:19:05,568 --> 02:19:08,696 "If you're willing to be killed... 1726 02:19:08,871 --> 02:19:10,930 ...then you should be willing to kill. " 1727 02:19:11,407 --> 02:19:13,500 Did you ever see or observe... 1728 02:19:13,676 --> 02:19:17,772 ...any member of the Family refuse to do anything Mr. Manson told them to? 1729 02:19:18,147 --> 02:19:20,342 - Hearsay, Your Honor! - Overruled. 1730 02:19:20,516 --> 02:19:21,983 Nobody did. 1731 02:19:22,385 --> 02:19:26,913 We always wanted to do anything and everything for him. 1732 02:19:27,223 --> 02:19:32,388 During the day of August 8, do you recall him saying anything about Helter Skelter? 1733 02:19:33,362 --> 02:19:35,956 - Yes, I do. - What was the occasion? 1734 02:19:38,067 --> 02:19:42,470 Well, we were sitting around, talking about things... 1735 02:19:42,638 --> 02:19:46,699 ...and Charlie was saying how people couldn't get it together... 1736 02:19:46,876 --> 02:19:51,210 ...how people were on their own little trips, and they wouldn't go on his trip. 1737 02:19:51,380 --> 02:19:54,440 They just couldn't get it together at all. 1738 02:19:54,617 --> 02:19:56,482 And then he just came out and said: 1739 02:19:57,219 --> 02:19:59,949 "Now is the time for Helter Skelter. " 1740 02:20:01,791 --> 02:20:05,056 - That was August 8th, 1969? - I believe so. 1741 02:20:05,261 --> 02:20:07,786 And did anything unusual happen after dinner? 1742 02:20:08,798 --> 02:20:10,493 Yes. 1743 02:20:11,300 --> 02:20:16,567 I remember I was standing out in front of the gun room at this one point... 1744 02:20:17,039 --> 02:20:21,533 ...and Charlie came up to me and pulled me off the porch. 1745 02:20:21,744 --> 02:20:25,874 And he told me I needed a change of clothing... 1746 02:20:26,048 --> 02:20:29,040 ...a knife and my driver's license. 1747 02:20:30,219 --> 02:20:32,278 - An additional change of clothing? - Yes. 1748 02:20:32,455 --> 02:20:35,947 - And did you get these things? - Yes. 1749 02:20:36,892 --> 02:20:39,861 And he told me to go with Tex... 1750 02:20:40,129 --> 02:20:43,792 ...and do what Tex told me to do, and I... 1751 02:20:52,641 --> 02:20:56,099 I got into the car... 1752 02:20:57,446 --> 02:21:02,145 ...and I believe Sadie and Katie were already in the back seat. 1753 02:21:02,318 --> 02:21:04,718 What is the next thing that happened? 1754 02:21:04,887 --> 02:21:09,256 Tex got in the car, and we started to drive away. 1755 02:21:10,993 --> 02:21:13,223 And then Charlie said: 1756 02:21:13,396 --> 02:21:17,958 "Leave a sign. You girls know what I mean. 1757 02:21:18,167 --> 02:21:20,431 Something witchy. " 1758 02:21:23,639 --> 02:21:26,836 This trial is the second crucifixion of Christ. 1759 02:21:27,009 --> 02:21:28,772 The second crucifixion. 1760 02:21:28,944 --> 02:21:30,707 This trial is the second... 1761 02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:34,646 There's the chief crucifier! There he is! 1762 02:21:35,251 --> 02:21:38,049 I'm sure Mr. Bugliosi would like a picture of Charlie. 1763 02:21:38,220 --> 02:21:41,883 No, thanks, Mary, I already have an autographed one on my mantelpiece. 1764 02:21:42,057 --> 02:21:44,548 She's proof of what's wrong with immunity deals. 1765 02:21:44,727 --> 02:21:48,595 But without her testimony, I doubt Beausoleil would be in the death house. 1766 02:21:48,764 --> 02:21:50,994 But she's a killer, Aaron, running loose. 1767 02:21:51,167 --> 02:21:53,863 I know. I'm talking about the second crucifixion. 1768 02:21:55,304 --> 02:21:56,862 Still, Vince... 1769 02:21:57,039 --> 02:21:59,303 ...if it weren't for immunity... 1770 02:21:59,475 --> 02:22:01,238 ...we'd be nowhere without Linda. 1771 02:22:01,410 --> 02:22:04,436 Linda didn't kill anyone. We're not turning a killer free. 1772 02:22:04,613 --> 02:22:06,672 All right, don't get hot at me. 1773 02:22:10,853 --> 02:22:14,846 Your Honor, I have here a. 22 caliber Longhorn revolver. May it be marked... 1774 02:22:15,024 --> 02:22:18,983 ...people's 40 for identification? - It will be so marked. 1775 02:22:19,161 --> 02:22:22,688 - Have you ever seen this revolver before? - Yes, I have. 1776 02:22:22,865 --> 02:22:25,425 And where did you see it for the first time? 1777 02:22:25,601 --> 02:22:27,193 In the car. 1778 02:22:27,403 --> 02:22:29,871 This is the revolver in the glove compartment? 1779 02:22:30,039 --> 02:22:31,563 Yes. 1780 02:22:39,882 --> 02:22:43,340 Did you actually see Tex climb the pole? 1781 02:22:43,752 --> 02:22:46,915 I think so. I'm not positive. 1782 02:22:47,089 --> 02:22:50,252 I just remember seeing the wires fall. 1783 02:23:01,937 --> 02:23:05,429 Linda, I show you People's 41 for identification. 1784 02:23:05,608 --> 02:23:08,168 Have you ever seen this rope before? 1785 02:23:08,410 --> 02:23:10,708 That looks like the rope. 1786 02:23:11,614 --> 02:23:13,775 It looks like the rope that what? 1787 02:23:14,783 --> 02:23:18,014 That Tex was carrying up the hill. 1788 02:23:19,688 --> 02:23:23,852 What happened after you, Katie, Tex and Sadie walked up the hill? 1789 02:23:25,327 --> 02:23:26,692 We... 1790 02:23:28,497 --> 02:23:30,761 We climbed over. 1791 02:23:31,333 --> 02:23:34,427 We climbed over a fence. 1792 02:23:35,938 --> 02:23:40,739 And then a light started coming towards us. 1793 02:23:45,848 --> 02:23:48,316 Are you able to go on, Mrs. Kasabian? 1794 02:23:48,517 --> 02:23:51,350 Yes. Yes, I am. 1795 02:23:54,823 --> 02:23:57,087 And the man said: 1796 02:23:57,626 --> 02:24:02,723 "Please, don't hurt me, I won't say anything. " 1797 02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:11,096 Now, you say that Tex cut the screen of the window. 1798 02:24:11,273 --> 02:24:13,741 What's the next thing that happened? 1799 02:24:17,446 --> 02:24:19,277 He told me... 1800 02:24:19,448 --> 02:24:23,817 ...to go back to the car and wait. 1801 02:24:24,253 --> 02:24:26,153 And I did. 1802 02:24:28,991 --> 02:24:30,652 And then... 1803 02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:34,058 ...all of a sudden... 1804 02:24:35,598 --> 02:24:37,156 ...I heard- 1805 02:24:37,333 --> 02:24:39,267 I heard screams. 1806 02:24:40,536 --> 02:24:42,970 There were no words. 1807 02:24:43,138 --> 02:24:45,663 It was beyond words. 1808 02:24:46,241 --> 02:24:48,801 It was just screams. 1809 02:24:49,979 --> 02:24:52,038 It was horrible! 1810 02:24:53,782 --> 02:24:56,080 Your Honor... 1811 02:24:56,251 --> 02:24:59,118 ...I can appreciate that, but... 1812 02:24:59,288 --> 02:25:03,315 ...I ask that the statement about "horrible"... 1813 02:25:03,492 --> 02:25:06,825 The statement is out. The jury is admonished to disregard it. 1814 02:25:09,698 --> 02:25:11,757 I'll get you a cup of water. 1815 02:25:31,720 --> 02:25:33,483 How long did the screaming go on? 1816 02:25:35,024 --> 02:25:37,390 I don't know. 1817 02:25:38,394 --> 02:25:41,022 It seemed like forever. 1818 02:25:41,497 --> 02:25:43,192 Infinite. 1819 02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:47,464 My mind went blank... 1820 02:25:48,270 --> 02:25:52,832 ...and I was aware of my body walking towards the house. 1821 02:25:57,413 --> 02:25:59,040 Then I hit... 1822 02:25:59,214 --> 02:26:04,516 Oh, God, I'm so sorry. 1823 02:26:05,554 --> 02:26:08,717 Sadie, please, make it stop! 1824 02:26:08,891 --> 02:26:11,382 I hear people coming. 1825 02:26:12,861 --> 02:26:14,761 And she said: 1826 02:26:15,731 --> 02:26:17,358 "It's too late. " 1827 02:26:23,305 --> 02:26:25,205 And then I said to Sadie: 1828 02:26:25,374 --> 02:26:28,639 "Sadie, please, make it stop. " 1829 02:26:34,383 --> 02:26:37,750 And when you told Sadie people were coming, was that the truth? 1830 02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:39,512 No. 1831 02:26:39,988 --> 02:26:42,115 And why did you tell her that? 1832 02:26:42,291 --> 02:26:46,057 Because I just wanted them to stop! 1833 02:26:51,233 --> 02:26:54,202 All right, Mrs. Kasabian, you can step down. 1834 02:26:57,973 --> 02:27:01,431 Ladies and gentlemen, do not converse with anyone... 1835 02:27:01,610 --> 02:27:06,775 ...nor form or express an opinion regarding this case until it has been submitted to you. 1836 02:27:07,316 --> 02:27:11,343 The court will adjourn at this time until 9:45 tomorrow morning. 1837 02:27:11,687 --> 02:27:15,145 When was the first time you learned the names of the five victims? 1838 02:27:15,324 --> 02:27:17,986 The following day on the news. 1839 02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:23,894 Sadie woke me up and told me to go to Spahn's trailer to watch television. 1840 02:27:24,066 --> 02:27:28,025 When I got there, she switched the channels to the news. 1841 02:27:28,771 --> 02:27:34,505 And then Charlie came in and called Katie, Leslie and myself aside... 1842 02:27:34,676 --> 02:27:39,636 ...and told us to get a change of clothing and meet in the bunkroom, which we did. 1843 02:27:40,415 --> 02:27:42,713 And he told me to get my driver's license. 1844 02:27:43,051 --> 02:27:45,212 That's three lies you've told already. 1845 02:27:45,387 --> 02:27:46,911 No, Charlie. 1846 02:27:47,089 --> 02:27:49,614 I've spoken the truth, and you know it. 1847 02:27:52,528 --> 02:27:56,555 Did Mr. Manson say anything to you once you were all in the bunkhouse? 1848 02:27:58,600 --> 02:28:01,728 He said we were going out again, tonight. 1849 02:28:01,904 --> 02:28:04,702 That last night was too messy... 1850 02:28:04,873 --> 02:28:08,365 ...and that he was gonna show us how to do it. 1851 02:28:45,180 --> 02:28:48,274 He's had this information a week, and we haven't heard it. 1852 02:28:48,450 --> 02:28:49,917 I've given it three times. 1853 02:28:50,085 --> 02:28:52,053 Objections from the defense continue. 1854 02:28:52,221 --> 02:28:55,588 Terrence Milik, during a dispute, uses obscene language. 1855 02:28:55,757 --> 02:28:58,521 Judge Older cites him for contempt of court. 1856 02:29:07,302 --> 02:29:10,135 He told me that there was a man and a woman... 1857 02:29:10,305 --> 02:29:12,398 ...tied up in the house. 1858 02:29:12,574 --> 02:29:15,202 And that he had tied their hands... 1859 02:29:15,377 --> 02:29:20,781 ...and told them not to be afraid, that he wasn't going to hurt them. 1860 02:29:21,850 --> 02:29:24,080 And then he told them: 1861 02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:27,948 "Don't cause fear and panic in these people. 1862 02:29:28,123 --> 02:29:31,286 Don't let them know you're going to kill them. " 1863 02:29:31,994 --> 02:29:35,862 And afterwards, they should hitchhike back to the ranch. 1864 02:29:36,965 --> 02:29:39,763 You say Mr. Manson gave you a wallet? 1865 02:29:40,068 --> 02:29:41,865 Yes, he did. 1866 02:29:42,704 --> 02:29:45,935 Did he tell you what to do with respect to that wallet? 1867 02:29:46,942 --> 02:29:50,002 He told me to take the change out of the wallet... 1868 02:29:50,178 --> 02:29:53,170 ...and wipe off the fingerprints. 1869 02:29:54,082 --> 02:29:58,212 And then, we were going to put it someplace... 1870 02:29:58,687 --> 02:30:02,987 ...where a black person would pick it up and use the credit card... 1871 02:30:03,158 --> 02:30:06,059 ...so that the people, the establishment... 1872 02:30:06,228 --> 02:30:11,291 ...would think it was some sort of organized group that killed these people. 1873 02:30:11,867 --> 02:30:14,836 Presumably, the black militants. 1874 02:30:15,337 --> 02:30:19,330 He said they wanted to show blackie how to do it. 1875 02:30:23,712 --> 02:30:25,202 Order. 1876 02:30:27,015 --> 02:30:29,210 The court will recess for 15 minutes. 1877 02:30:39,328 --> 02:30:42,593 I'm gonna have Bugliosi and Older killed. 1878 02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:48,759 Testing, testing. One, two, three, testing. 1879 02:30:53,208 --> 02:30:55,870 Testing, testing. Do you read me? Over. 1880 02:30:56,044 --> 02:30:57,705 Coming through loud and clear. 1881 02:30:57,879 --> 02:30:59,847 - Roger. - Vince, what if-? 1882 02:31:00,015 --> 02:31:03,314 If they cut the phone wires, we have communication with police. 1883 02:31:03,485 --> 02:31:06,181 And come here. I got a full-time bodyguard too. 1884 02:31:06,355 --> 02:31:09,813 - See him? - It's like being in a war. 1885 02:31:16,631 --> 02:31:19,156 Say, Vince? Vince, I want to apologize. 1886 02:31:19,334 --> 02:31:21,564 Terry, it was a heat-of-the-moment remark. 1887 02:31:21,737 --> 02:31:24,672 - I'm sorry Older found you in contempt. - That's not it. 1888 02:31:24,840 --> 02:31:26,967 What I did was a hell of a lot worse. 1889 02:31:27,142 --> 02:31:30,305 I suggested that Everett Scoville be Manson's attorney. 1890 02:31:32,681 --> 02:31:37,641 You testified this morning, did you not, that you have taken LSD 50 times? 1891 02:31:37,819 --> 02:31:40,117 Approximately, yes. 1892 02:31:40,288 --> 02:31:42,279 What is LSD? 1893 02:31:42,457 --> 02:31:46,985 Lysergic acid diethylamide. Something like that. 1894 02:31:47,162 --> 02:31:51,690 Well, is it a chemical? Does it provoke an emotional response like anger? 1895 02:31:51,867 --> 02:31:53,357 Fear? Jealousy? Hate? 1896 02:31:54,136 --> 02:32:00,041 My sole purpose for taking it was for realization, God realization. 1897 02:32:00,208 --> 02:32:03,974 - That was to discover God? - Yes. 1898 02:32:05,080 --> 02:32:07,048 Were you successful in that endeavor? 1899 02:32:07,616 --> 02:32:13,179 I realize you don't have to take peyote or LSD to discover God. 1900 02:32:13,922 --> 02:32:20,157 I believe you stated that you've taken 50 acid trips. 1901 02:32:20,362 --> 02:32:23,729 Would you please describe what happened on trip number 23? 1902 02:32:23,899 --> 02:32:26,367 I object to that question as being ridiculous. 1903 02:32:26,968 --> 02:32:28,458 Sustained. 1904 02:32:37,245 --> 02:32:39,406 What is this? 1905 02:32:42,484 --> 02:32:45,112 All counsel will come to the bench. 1906 02:32:52,661 --> 02:32:55,186 If jurors had been influenced by the headline... 1907 02:32:55,363 --> 02:32:58,059 ...grounds for a mistrial may have been established. 1908 02:32:58,233 --> 02:33:01,794 Therefore, each juror is questioned, under oath, by Judge Older. 1909 02:33:02,237 --> 02:33:04,899 Do you feel that it has influenced you in any way? 1910 02:33:05,073 --> 02:33:06,301 No, sir. 1911 02:33:06,475 --> 02:33:11,538 Do you feel you can form an opinion based solely upon evidence presented to you? 1912 02:33:11,713 --> 02:33:13,374 I'm sure I can, Your Honor. 1913 02:33:13,715 --> 02:33:16,775 - Very good, you may step down. - Thank you. 1914 02:33:19,421 --> 02:33:23,551 - Yes, sir. - Do you feel it's influenced your thinking? 1915 02:33:23,725 --> 02:33:26,216 All 12 jurors and alternates state under oath... 1916 02:33:26,394 --> 02:33:30,922 ...that they have not been influenced and will only consider the evidence presented. 1917 02:33:31,700 --> 02:33:34,362 I didn't vote for Mr. Nixon anyway. 1918 02:33:37,606 --> 02:33:40,973 Now, Mrs. Kasabian... 1919 02:33:47,115 --> 02:33:51,677 ...you testified that when you saw the shooting of Steven Parent... 1920 02:33:51,853 --> 02:33:54,549 ...you went into a state of shock. 1921 02:33:54,823 --> 02:33:59,021 Now, just exactly when did that state of shock end? 1922 02:34:00,028 --> 02:34:02,428 I don't know when it ended. 1923 02:34:03,398 --> 02:34:06,856 - I don't know if it ever ended. - Oh! 1924 02:34:07,035 --> 02:34:10,368 And you weren't under the influence of any drugs, is that right? 1925 02:34:10,539 --> 02:34:12,598 - No. - You weren't under the influence... 1926 02:34:12,774 --> 02:34:14,674 ...of anything, right? 1927 02:34:15,210 --> 02:34:17,770 I was under the influence of Charlie. 1928 02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:21,276 Oh, yes. 1929 02:34:35,964 --> 02:34:39,024 Now, Mrs. Kasabian, I show you this picture. 1930 02:34:39,201 --> 02:34:40,793 Oh, God. 1931 02:34:40,969 --> 02:34:42,834 Oh, for God's sake. 1932 02:34:44,105 --> 02:34:46,096 Oh, God. 1933 02:34:50,845 --> 02:34:55,748 Mrs. Kasabian, the truth is that you made up this whole story, didn't you? 1934 02:34:55,917 --> 02:34:57,248 - No. - Didn't you? 1935 02:34:57,419 --> 02:35:01,014 No. Nobody could make that up. 1936 02:35:01,323 --> 02:35:02,551 Nobody. 1937 02:35:03,758 --> 02:35:06,921 Mrs. Kasabian, why are you crying right now? 1938 02:35:08,163 --> 02:35:12,190 - Because I just can't believe- - Believe what, Mrs. Kasabian? 1939 02:35:12,367 --> 02:35:15,359 - That they could do that. - Oh, that they could do that! 1940 02:35:16,438 --> 02:35:21,671 Not that you could do it, Mrs. Kasabian, but that they could do it. 1941 02:35:22,010 --> 02:35:26,106 - I know I didn't do that. - Oh? 1942 02:35:26,615 --> 02:35:29,106 But you were in a state of shock, weren't you? 1943 02:35:29,284 --> 02:35:31,582 - That's right. - Then how do you know? 1944 02:35:31,753 --> 02:35:33,880 Because I know. 1945 02:35:34,189 --> 02:35:40,594 I do not have that kind of thing in me, to do such an animalistic thing. 1946 02:35:42,530 --> 02:35:44,088 Linda... 1947 02:35:44,899 --> 02:35:51,361 ...tell me, do you feel that you are controlled by Mr. Manson's vibrations? 1948 02:35:53,308 --> 02:35:54,536 Possibly. 1949 02:35:56,044 --> 02:35:57,773 Did he put off a lot of vibes? 1950 02:35:59,180 --> 02:36:00,772 Sure. 1951 02:36:01,316 --> 02:36:02,908 He's doing it right now. 1952 02:36:06,288 --> 02:36:09,257 May the record reflect, Your Honor, that Mr. Manson... 1953 02:36:09,991 --> 02:36:12,118 ...is merely sitting there. 1954 02:36:15,563 --> 02:36:18,123 He doesn't seem to be vibrating. 1955 02:36:27,175 --> 02:36:30,872 Your Honor, the president said we are guilty... 1956 02:36:31,046 --> 02:36:32,980 ...so why go on with the trial? 1957 02:36:34,716 --> 02:36:36,877 Would you please repeat your response? 1958 02:36:37,052 --> 02:36:40,488 Her reply was that Charlie had sent them, yes. 1959 02:36:40,655 --> 02:36:42,782 No further questions, Mr. Jones. 1960 02:36:42,957 --> 02:36:44,686 You may step down, Mr. Jones. 1961 02:36:44,859 --> 02:36:47,726 - May I examine him, Your Honor? - No, you may not. 1962 02:36:47,929 --> 02:36:51,797 I'm gonna fight for my life, you might as well let me do it with words. 1963 02:36:52,867 --> 02:36:55,631 If you don't stop, I'll have to have you removed. 1964 02:36:55,804 --> 02:36:59,638 If you don't stop, I'll have you removed. I've got a little system. 1965 02:37:01,109 --> 02:37:04,272 - Call the next witness. - Do you think I'm kidding? 1966 02:37:10,118 --> 02:37:14,487 This is the second crucifixion of Christ! This is the second crucifixion of Christ! 1967 02:37:14,656 --> 02:37:19,025 This is the second crucifixion of Christ! This is the second crucifixion of Christ! 1968 02:37:24,532 --> 02:37:26,830 And the hypocrite... 1969 02:37:34,142 --> 02:37:36,804 Gillespie inquires as to the judge's state of mind. 1970 02:37:38,380 --> 02:37:41,872 If he'd taken one more step, I would have defended myself. 1971 02:37:42,283 --> 02:37:47,084 Because of the judge's state of mind, Gillespie says he has to ask for a mistrial. 1972 02:37:48,556 --> 02:37:51,184 It isn't gonna be that easy, Mr. Gillespie. 1973 02:37:51,359 --> 02:37:54,453 They are not going to profit from their own wrong. 1974 02:37:54,629 --> 02:37:56,290 Denied. 1975 02:37:56,498 --> 02:37:57,726 Call the next witness. 1976 02:38:00,602 --> 02:38:03,332 The People of the State of California rest. 1977 02:38:06,441 --> 02:38:09,410 - Are you ready to proceed with defense? - Yes, Your Honor. 1978 02:38:10,278 --> 02:38:12,610 Mr. Gillespie, call your first witness. 1979 02:38:15,583 --> 02:38:18,074 Your Honor, the defendants rest. 1980 02:38:24,125 --> 02:38:27,424 - We wanna testify! - We wanna testify! 1981 02:38:29,731 --> 02:38:31,665 Let us testify! 1982 02:38:32,700 --> 02:38:34,190 The counsel- 1983 02:38:34,469 --> 02:38:37,700 Older orders counsel into chambers and demands an explanation. 1984 02:38:46,815 --> 02:38:49,306 - Your Honor- - I gotta keep them off the stand. 1985 02:38:49,484 --> 02:38:53,318 Our contention is that their testimony is already perjured... 1986 02:38:53,488 --> 02:38:57,390 ...and it would be inadmissible as perjured evidence. 1987 02:39:01,162 --> 02:39:03,562 There's a split between attorneys and clients. 1988 02:39:03,731 --> 02:39:06,757 Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten wish to testify... 1989 02:39:06,935 --> 02:39:10,371 ...that they committed the murders and Manson was not involved. 1990 02:39:10,538 --> 02:39:15,805 The attorneys vehemently oppose this and want to forestall it by resting the case. 1991 02:39:16,077 --> 02:39:17,544 Gentlemen... 1992 02:39:18,012 --> 02:39:20,412 ...defendants are gonna be allowed to testify. 1993 02:39:20,582 --> 02:39:24,746 The right to testify supersedes any and all other rights. 1994 02:39:24,919 --> 02:39:28,787 Before the girls are called to the stand, Manson asks permission to speak. 1995 02:39:28,957 --> 02:39:31,721 Judge Older grants permission, but it must be made... 1996 02:39:31,893 --> 02:39:34,327 ...outside the presence of the jury. 1997 02:39:34,963 --> 02:39:36,760 I never went to school... 1998 02:39:36,931 --> 02:39:40,094 ...so I never learned how to read or write too good. 1999 02:39:40,401 --> 02:39:43,700 And I stayed in jail, and I stayed stupid... 2000 02:39:44,005 --> 02:39:47,873 ...and I stayed a child while I watched your world grow up. 2001 02:39:49,110 --> 02:39:51,704 And then I look at what you do... 2002 02:39:52,514 --> 02:39:54,744 ...and I don't understand. 2003 02:39:56,417 --> 02:39:58,476 You eat meat... 2004 02:39:59,888 --> 02:40:03,585 ...and you kill things that are better than you are... 2005 02:40:04,425 --> 02:40:07,223 ...and then you say how bad... 2006 02:40:07,929 --> 02:40:11,160 ...or even killers, your children are. 2007 02:40:11,699 --> 02:40:14,862 These children that come at you with knives. 2008 02:40:15,570 --> 02:40:17,663 They're your children. 2009 02:40:18,406 --> 02:40:21,000 You taught them, I didn't teach them. 2010 02:40:21,509 --> 02:40:24,342 I just tried to help them stand up. 2011 02:40:25,713 --> 02:40:28,580 The people you call my Family... 2012 02:40:28,750 --> 02:40:31,082 ...were people you didn't want. 2013 02:40:31,586 --> 02:40:36,182 People alongside the road that their parents had kicked out. 2014 02:40:36,558 --> 02:40:40,255 So I took them to my garbage dump, and I fed them... 2015 02:40:40,428 --> 02:40:43,886 ...and I taught them that in love, there's no wrong. 2016 02:40:44,832 --> 02:40:47,266 I can't dislike you... 2017 02:40:47,769 --> 02:40:49,737 ...but I can say this to you: 2018 02:40:49,904 --> 02:40:54,204 It's not going to be long before you all kill yourselves because you're all crazy. 2019 02:40:55,343 --> 02:40:57,834 And you can project it back on me... 2020 02:40:58,413 --> 02:41:03,544 ...but I'm only what lives in each and every one of you. 2021 02:41:05,153 --> 02:41:08,145 My father's a jailhouse. 2022 02:41:08,523 --> 02:41:11,390 My father's your system. 2023 02:41:12,527 --> 02:41:14,791 I'm a reflection of you. 2024 02:41:14,963 --> 02:41:17,329 I'm what you made me. 2025 02:41:18,700 --> 02:41:23,034 I've ate out of your garbage cans to stay out of jail. 2026 02:41:23,771 --> 02:41:26,831 I've worn your secondhand clothes. 2027 02:41:27,475 --> 02:41:31,309 I've tried my best to get along in your world... 2028 02:41:31,479 --> 02:41:34,471 ...and now you say you wanna kill me. 2029 02:41:34,649 --> 02:41:39,552 And I look at you, and I say to myself, you wanna kill me. 2030 02:41:39,721 --> 02:41:41,484 I'm already dead! 2031 02:41:41,656 --> 02:41:43,886 I have been all my life. 2032 02:41:44,058 --> 02:41:47,926 I spent 23 years in tombs that you built. 2033 02:41:48,463 --> 02:41:51,694 Sometimes I wanna give it all back to you. 2034 02:41:53,067 --> 02:41:55,763 Sometimes, I wanna jump on you and let you shoot me. 2035 02:41:55,937 --> 02:41:59,338 If I could, I'd grab this microphone, I'd beat your brains out... 2036 02:41:59,507 --> 02:42:02,203 ...because that's what you deserve! 2037 02:42:10,418 --> 02:42:12,079 These children... 2038 02:42:12,253 --> 02:42:15,120 ...everything they done, they done for love of brother. 2039 02:42:16,758 --> 02:42:18,783 Is that a conspiracy? 2040 02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:21,185 Is it a conspiracy that the music... 2041 02:42:21,362 --> 02:42:24,661 ...is telling the youth to rise up against the establishment... 2042 02:42:24,832 --> 02:42:30,600 ...because the establishment is rapidly destroying things. Is that a conspiracy? 2043 02:42:31,472 --> 02:42:36,705 The music speaks to you every day, but you're too deaf, dumb and blind to listen. 2044 02:42:38,112 --> 02:42:40,808 It's not my conspiracy. 2045 02:42:41,182 --> 02:42:42,774 It's not my music. 2046 02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:47,387 I hear what it relates. It says, "Rise. " It says, "Kill. " 2047 02:42:47,555 --> 02:42:51,423 Why blame it on me? I didn't write the music. 2048 02:43:02,203 --> 02:43:04,501 How can you blame... 2049 02:43:04,872 --> 02:43:07,864 ...what you do on your children? 2050 02:43:11,212 --> 02:43:13,237 And what about your children, huh? 2051 02:43:13,881 --> 02:43:15,280 What about them? 2052 02:43:15,450 --> 02:43:19,386 You say they're just a few. Well, there are many, many more. 2053 02:43:19,554 --> 02:43:25,550 And they're running in the streets, all in the same direction, right at you! 2054 02:43:32,767 --> 02:43:36,032 - Amen. - Amen, Charlie. Right on, Charlie. 2055 02:43:37,205 --> 02:43:39,901 - Amen! - Amen! 2056 02:43:40,074 --> 02:43:43,237 Amen! Right on, Charlie! 2057 02:43:46,781 --> 02:43:49,215 You don't have to testify. 2058 02:44:10,671 --> 02:44:13,902 - Has been serving as defense counsel for Leslie Van Houten... 2059 02:44:14,075 --> 02:44:17,135 ...one of the defendants in the Tate-LaBianca murder trial. 2060 02:44:17,311 --> 02:44:20,769 Milik is believed to have spent the weekend on a camping trip... 2061 02:44:20,948 --> 02:44:26,284 ...to Sespe Hot Springs, rugged terrain some 130 miles northwest of Los Angeles. 2062 02:44:26,454 --> 02:44:29,355 He may have been stranded there because of flooding. 2063 02:44:29,524 --> 02:44:31,788 His absence may delay- 2064 02:44:32,193 --> 02:44:34,525 And then again, he may not have been. 2065 02:44:35,196 --> 02:44:37,460 Hi, honey. How does this sound? 2066 02:44:37,632 --> 02:44:40,100 "Everett Scoville, the Toscanini of tedium... 2067 02:44:40,268 --> 02:44:43,101 ...has accused the prosecution of tying up the court. " 2068 02:44:43,271 --> 02:44:45,432 "Toscanini of tedium"? I like it. 2069 02:44:45,606 --> 02:44:49,372 I thought you said he was the most effective of all the defense counsel. 2070 02:44:49,544 --> 02:44:51,273 He has been. 2071 02:44:57,018 --> 02:44:59,953 Vince, do you think Mr. Milik would maybe stay away... 2072 02:45:00,121 --> 02:45:02,248 ...to sabotage the trial? 2073 02:45:03,558 --> 02:45:07,551 No, sweetheart. He's not the type. 2074 02:45:12,867 --> 02:45:15,927 And, Your Honor, on the photograph to the left of that... 2075 02:45:16,103 --> 02:45:21,268 ...it's quite obvious that the Tate house itself was entered. 2076 02:45:21,442 --> 02:45:24,775 That's part of the process by which we're introducing testimony. 2077 02:45:24,946 --> 02:45:29,246 You're the murderer. You're the leader of the "Pig Murder Gang. " 2078 02:45:29,417 --> 02:45:31,282 What did you do with my attorney? 2079 02:45:31,452 --> 02:45:33,943 - What'd you do with him? - Remove the defendants! 2080 02:45:34,589 --> 02:45:35,817 We're gonna get you! 2081 02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:41,223 Your guts are gonna fall out, Older! You're not gonna get any older, Older! 2082 02:45:48,636 --> 02:45:51,469 Help me! 2083 02:45:53,574 --> 02:45:59,308 No American court is required to submit to this kind of nonsense day after day. 2084 02:46:00,147 --> 02:46:05,881 The defendants will not be allowed to return for the remainder of the guilt trial. 2085 02:46:07,088 --> 02:46:12,617 And Linda Kasabian testified that Watson shot Steven Parent four times. 2086 02:46:12,793 --> 02:46:17,287 You heard expert medical testimony that Parent had been shot four times. 2087 02:46:17,465 --> 02:46:20,400 - Testified my ass. - Pig! You lying whore! 2088 02:46:20,568 --> 02:46:24,163 - Pig! - Yeah, she really testified, all right. 2089 02:46:25,273 --> 02:46:30,802 Linda Kasabian testified that Parent had slumped over toward the passenger side... 2090 02:46:31,112 --> 02:46:35,742 ...and you saw police photographs showing Parent slumped toward the passenger side. 2091 02:46:36,751 --> 02:46:42,951 Forty-five instances where other evidence confirms Linda Kasabian's testimony. 2092 02:46:44,825 --> 02:46:49,353 Ladies and gentlemen, we are all very privileged in this courtroom... 2093 02:46:49,764 --> 02:46:53,165 ...because we have been enlightened by a new society... 2094 02:46:53,834 --> 02:46:56,564 ...led by a new Jesus Christ... 2095 02:46:56,737 --> 02:46:58,898 ...who is none other than Charles Manson. 2096 02:47:01,075 --> 02:47:03,771 We've even learned a new commandment: 2097 02:47:04,412 --> 02:47:09,213 Thou shalt love thy neighbor by killing thy neighbor. 2098 02:47:10,318 --> 02:47:14,516 We've seen young people become disciples of this new Christ... 2099 02:47:14,689 --> 02:47:16,520 ...by slaughtering human beings... 2100 02:47:16,691 --> 02:47:20,422 ...for the mere pleasure and the excitement of it. 2101 02:47:22,229 --> 02:47:24,857 We've learned how this new Christ... 2102 02:47:25,032 --> 02:47:28,229 ...will lead his chosen people out of the desert... 2103 02:47:28,569 --> 02:47:31,732 ...followed by the enslaved black man. 2104 02:47:34,408 --> 02:47:35,636 No. 2105 02:47:35,810 --> 02:47:38,142 What we have learned, ladies and gentleman... 2106 02:47:38,312 --> 02:47:43,944 ...is that this new Christ is not Charles Manson, but Charles Con Man. 2107 02:47:45,086 --> 02:47:48,249 That's the religion he knows very well... 2108 02:47:48,656 --> 02:47:51,386 ...and the one over which he is the leader. 2109 02:47:52,760 --> 02:47:55,957 And are we supposed to pity this con man... 2110 02:47:56,130 --> 02:47:59,156 ...who has ordered at least seven murders? 2111 02:48:00,468 --> 02:48:04,336 Are we to pity him for tying up the hands of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca... 2112 02:48:04,672 --> 02:48:08,802 ...so they could be brutally butchered a little more neatly, more orderly? 2113 02:48:09,143 --> 02:48:14,103 Are we to pity this Family leader whose hero was Adolf Hitler... 2114 02:48:14,749 --> 02:48:19,015 ...who had ordered the mass murder of six million Jews? 2115 02:48:30,231 --> 02:48:34,998 On the hot summer night of August the 8th, 1969... 2116 02:48:35,469 --> 02:48:37,562 ...Charles Manson... 2117 02:48:37,805 --> 02:48:40,239 ...the Mephistophelean guru... 2118 02:48:40,408 --> 02:48:45,778 ...who raped and bastardized the minds of all those who gave themselves to him... 2119 02:48:46,113 --> 02:48:49,810 ...sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch... 2120 02:48:49,984 --> 02:48:54,387 ...three heartless, bloodthirsty robots... 2121 02:48:56,390 --> 02:48:58,483 ...and unfortunately for him... 2122 02:48:59,627 --> 02:49:01,788 ...one human being... 2123 02:49:02,630 --> 02:49:04,757 ...little Linda Kasabian. 2124 02:49:07,234 --> 02:49:09,327 What resulted that night... 2125 02:49:09,503 --> 02:49:12,301 ...was perhaps the most inhuman... 2126 02:49:12,473 --> 02:49:16,273 ...nightmarish, horror-filled hour of savage murder... 2127 02:49:16,444 --> 02:49:20,346 ...and human slaughter in the recorded annals of crime. 2128 02:49:21,816 --> 02:49:27,721 As the helpless, defenseless victims begged and screamed into the night for their lives... 2129 02:49:28,422 --> 02:49:33,621 ...their lifeblood gushed from their bodies, forming rivers of gore. 2130 02:49:35,763 --> 02:49:37,628 If they could have... 2131 02:49:37,965 --> 02:49:41,992 ...I'm sure that Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel... 2132 02:49:42,169 --> 02:49:45,138 ...would gladly have swum in that river of blood... 2133 02:49:45,306 --> 02:49:48,833 ...and with orgasmic ecstasy on their faces. 2134 02:49:50,978 --> 02:49:54,470 Susan Atkins, the Vampira... 2135 02:49:54,748 --> 02:49:57,911 ...actually tasted Sharon Tate's blood. 2136 02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:05,381 On the very next night, Leslie Van Houten joined the group of murderers. 2137 02:50:06,827 --> 02:50:10,786 And this time it was poor Leno and Rosemary LaBianca... 2138 02:50:11,332 --> 02:50:16,929 ...who were brutally butchered to satisfy Charles Manson's homicidal madness. 2139 02:50:17,104 --> 02:50:18,731 Ladies and gentlemen... 2140 02:50:18,906 --> 02:50:24,105 ...in a capital case in California, the trial is divided into two phases. 2141 02:50:24,578 --> 02:50:29,038 Now, the first phase, with which we are dealing now, is the guilt phase. 2142 02:50:29,583 --> 02:50:32,984 We are not asking you to decide in the extent of the punishment. 2143 02:50:33,154 --> 02:50:35,714 That comes in the second phase. 2144 02:50:36,090 --> 02:50:40,151 The People of the State of California are asking you at this time... 2145 02:50:40,327 --> 02:50:42,261 ...to review the evidence... 2146 02:50:42,429 --> 02:50:45,830 ...and decide whether the prosecution has met its legal burden... 2147 02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:48,332 ...of proving the guilt of these defendants. 2148 02:50:48,769 --> 02:50:53,502 And based upon the evidence you heard from that witness stand... 2149 02:50:53,774 --> 02:50:57,938 ...not only isn't there any reasonable doubt as to their guilt... 2150 02:50:58,112 --> 02:51:00,376 ...which is our only burden... 2151 02:51:01,515 --> 02:51:05,246 ...but there can be no doubt whatsoever of their guilt. 2152 02:51:11,125 --> 02:51:13,685 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... 2153 02:51:16,163 --> 02:51:18,188 ...Sharon Tate... 2154 02:51:20,868 --> 02:51:22,802 ...Jay Sebring... 2155 02:51:25,272 --> 02:51:27,467 ...Abigail Folger... 2156 02:51:30,211 --> 02:51:32,543 ...Voytek Frykowski... 2157 02:51:34,615 --> 02:51:36,674 ...Steven Parent... 2158 02:51:39,320 --> 02:51:41,618 ...Leno LaBianca... 2159 02:51:43,557 --> 02:51:46,219 ...and Rosemary LaBianca... 2160 02:51:47,795 --> 02:51:51,094 ...are not here with us now in this courtroom. 2161 02:51:53,400 --> 02:51:56,267 But from their graves... 2162 02:51:58,472 --> 02:52:01,464 ...they cry out for justice! 2163 02:52:05,312 --> 02:52:07,143 And justice can only be done... 2164 02:52:07,314 --> 02:52:11,512 ...by your returning to this courtroom with a verdict of guilty. 2165 02:52:17,758 --> 02:52:20,226 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... 2166 02:52:20,394 --> 02:52:25,593 ...this trial has been an enormous imposition on all of your personal, private lives. 2167 02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:30,528 And on behalf of the People of the State of California, I want to thank you very much... 2168 02:52:30,704 --> 02:52:34,504 ...for the patience and attention you've shown throughout these proceedings. 2169 02:52:35,509 --> 02:52:37,977 You've been an exemplary jury. 2170 02:52:38,979 --> 02:52:44,474 The plaintiff in this trial is the People of the State of California. 2171 02:52:45,252 --> 02:52:49,120 And I have all the confidence in the world that you won't let them down. 2172 02:52:51,592 --> 02:52:53,082 Thank you. 2173 02:53:08,008 --> 02:53:09,532 Hello? 2174 02:53:09,810 --> 02:53:12,711 This is Mrs. Bugliosi, may I help you? 2175 02:53:13,047 --> 02:53:14,446 Who? 2176 02:53:15,115 --> 02:53:17,549 It's the clerk of the court. 2177 02:53:18,686 --> 02:53:20,119 Hello? 2178 02:53:20,587 --> 02:53:21,952 Yeah. 2179 02:53:23,190 --> 02:53:24,987 Yeah, I'll be right there. Thanks. 2180 02:53:25,159 --> 02:53:28,219 Jury's reached a verdict. Older wants to see the attorneys. 2181 02:53:28,395 --> 02:53:30,363 Dress warmly. You have a temperature. 2182 02:53:30,531 --> 02:53:33,329 Honey, I've been aiming for this moment for 14 months. 2183 02:53:57,858 --> 02:54:00,588 All jurors and alternates are present. 2184 02:54:00,761 --> 02:54:03,025 All counsel but Mr. Milik are present. 2185 02:54:03,430 --> 02:54:05,330 The defendants are present. 2186 02:54:05,999 --> 02:54:09,366 Mr. Tubick, has the jury reached a verdict? 2187 02:54:09,536 --> 02:54:10,935 Yes, Your Honor, we have. 2188 02:54:11,105 --> 02:54:14,074 Would you hand the verdict forms to the bailiff? 2189 02:54:22,883 --> 02:54:24,714 Will the defendants please rise? 2190 02:54:25,586 --> 02:54:27,349 The clerk will read the verdicts. 2191 02:54:27,988 --> 02:54:30,855 January 25, 1971... 2192 02:54:31,024 --> 02:54:36,462 ...17 months and 17 days after the murders of the seven Tate and LaBianca victims. 2193 02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:39,121 "In Superior Court of the State of California... 2194 02:54:39,299 --> 02:54:41,233 ...for the County of Los Angeles... 2195 02:54:41,635 --> 02:54:45,002 ...the People of the State of California v. Charles Manson... 2196 02:54:45,172 --> 02:54:49,233 ...Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten... 2197 02:54:49,410 --> 02:54:54,746 ...case number A-253156, Department 104... 2198 02:54:55,382 --> 02:54:59,375 ...we, the jury, in the above entitled action, find the defendant... 2199 02:54:59,553 --> 02:55:03,148 ...Charles Manson, guilty of the crime of murder of Abigail Folger... 2200 02:55:03,323 --> 02:55:07,157 ...in violation of Section 187, Penal Code of California. 2201 02:55:07,528 --> 02:55:10,395 A felony, as charged in count one of the indictment... 2202 02:55:10,564 --> 02:55:14,364 ...and we further find it to be murder of the first degree. " 2203 02:55:15,202 --> 02:55:18,262 Susan Atkins, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder... 2204 02:55:18,439 --> 02:55:21,033 ...and seven counts of murder in the first degree. 2205 02:55:21,208 --> 02:55:24,006 Leslie Van Houten, conspiracy to commit murder... 2206 02:55:24,178 --> 02:55:26,669 ...and two counts of murder in the first degree. 2207 02:55:26,847 --> 02:55:30,112 Patricia Krenwinkel, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder... 2208 02:55:30,284 --> 02:55:33,082 ...and seven counts of murder in the first degree. 2209 02:55:35,155 --> 02:55:37,146 The penalty phase of the trial begins. 2210 02:55:37,324 --> 02:55:41,283 The issue is whether they will receive life in prison or the death penalty. 2211 02:55:41,462 --> 02:55:43,794 The defense seeks to bring circumstances... 2212 02:55:43,964 --> 02:55:48,492 ...background, remorse and the possibility of rehabilitation to the jury's attention. 2213 02:55:48,669 --> 02:55:50,136 Susan... 2214 02:55:50,838 --> 02:55:55,901 ...were you personally involved with the Tate and LaBianca homicides? 2215 02:55:59,379 --> 02:56:00,607 Yes. 2216 02:56:01,849 --> 02:56:04,579 Did you ever feel any remorse? 2217 02:56:06,487 --> 02:56:08,216 Remorse? 2218 02:56:08,489 --> 02:56:10,980 For doing what was right to me? 2219 02:56:13,327 --> 02:56:15,818 I have no guilt in me. 2220 02:56:19,199 --> 02:56:24,660 Leslie, do you feel as if you wanted to cry for what happened? 2221 02:56:27,774 --> 02:56:29,833 Cry for her death? 2222 02:56:30,010 --> 02:56:31,375 Why? 2223 02:56:31,545 --> 02:56:33,809 She's not the only person who has died. 2224 02:56:34,648 --> 02:56:37,116 Well, do you think about it from time to time? 2225 02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,852 Only when I'm in the courtroom. 2226 02:56:57,538 --> 02:56:59,335 I'm the devil... 2227 02:56:59,506 --> 02:57:01,633 ...and the devil always shaves his head. 2228 02:57:02,709 --> 02:57:03,937 Bugliosi... 2229 02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:06,906 ...if I get the death penalty... 2230 02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:10,106 ...there's gonna be bloodletting, because I won't take it. 2231 02:57:10,284 --> 02:57:14,914 There's already been a lot of bloodletting, Charlie. That's what we're trying to stop. 2232 02:57:20,961 --> 02:57:22,326 Vince. 2233 02:57:23,864 --> 02:57:25,764 Did you hear about Terry Milik? 2234 02:57:25,933 --> 02:57:30,063 They found him, face-down in a pool of water with his head wedged under a rock. 2235 02:57:30,237 --> 02:57:32,535 And that's only the beginning. 2236 02:57:37,711 --> 02:57:41,613 I don't see how you people do this without letting me put up some defense. 2237 02:57:41,782 --> 02:57:46,617 You people ain't got no authority over me! Half of you in here ain't as good as I am! 2238 02:57:46,787 --> 02:57:48,755 You ain't gonna outlive this, old man! 2239 02:57:48,922 --> 02:57:52,323 You ain't gonna outlive this, old man! You're gonna die, you hear? 2240 02:57:52,492 --> 02:57:55,586 You're gonna die! You're gonna die! 2241 02:57:56,296 --> 02:57:58,196 You're gonna die! 2242 02:57:58,799 --> 02:58:03,099 "We, the jury, in the above entitled action, having found the defendant... 2243 02:58:03,270 --> 02:58:06,068 ...guilty of murder in the first degree... 2244 02:58:06,239 --> 02:58:08,673 ...as charged in count one of the indictment... 2245 02:58:08,842 --> 02:58:11,709 ...do now fix the penalty as death. " 2246 02:58:12,412 --> 02:58:14,175 You have just judged yourselves. 2247 02:58:14,348 --> 02:58:17,181 You better lock your doors and watch your own kids. 2248 02:58:17,351 --> 02:58:19,785 Your system's a game, you blind, stupid people. 2249 02:58:19,953 --> 02:58:22,046 Your children will turn against you. 2250 02:58:22,222 --> 02:58:24,656 It's death for all defendants. 2251 02:58:25,325 --> 02:58:28,556 Death! That's what you're all gonna get! 2252 02:58:39,139 --> 02:58:41,039 Mr. Bugliosi? 2253 02:58:41,808 --> 02:58:43,173 Yeah, Charlie. 2254 02:58:43,343 --> 02:58:45,573 Can I talk to you for a minute? 2255 02:58:45,912 --> 02:58:49,211 - We're gonna get him upstairs, Mr. Bugliosi. - That's okay, Joe. 2256 02:58:49,383 --> 02:58:51,817 I don't think we'll be seeing each other again. 2257 02:58:56,089 --> 02:58:58,489 I don't have no hard feelings. 2258 02:58:59,192 --> 02:59:00,921 Thank you, Charlie. 2259 02:59:01,128 --> 02:59:03,596 You done a remarkable job. 2260 02:59:03,964 --> 02:59:07,456 You gave me a fair trial, just like you promised. 2261 02:59:08,435 --> 02:59:11,598 And I ain't bitter about having to go back in. 2262 02:59:11,938 --> 02:59:14,736 It's always been my home anyhow. 2263 02:59:15,075 --> 02:59:17,134 What about death, Charlie? 2264 02:59:17,411 --> 02:59:19,140 What about it? 2265 02:59:20,047 --> 02:59:23,107 I told you, I'm already dead. 2266 02:59:24,051 --> 02:59:27,316 And while I'm waiting around to take the other form... 2267 02:59:27,788 --> 02:59:31,417 ...I got steady chow. It ain't great, but it's better than garbage. 2268 02:59:32,526 --> 02:59:36,792 I don't gotta work if I don't want to, so I got plenty of time to play my guitar. 2269 02:59:37,497 --> 02:59:39,192 You know... 2270 02:59:40,200 --> 02:59:42,532 ...you beat a man with a whip... 2271 02:59:43,003 --> 02:59:45,130 ...and he likes the whip... 2272 02:59:48,075 --> 02:59:51,272 ...you're just making a fool out of yourself, partner. 2273 02:59:52,446 --> 02:59:56,815 - Aren't you gonna miss the girls? - I don't need broads. 2274 02:59:57,084 --> 02:59:59,314 There's plenty of sex in prison. 2275 03:00:00,654 --> 03:00:03,145 You still think the black man's gonna take over? 2276 03:00:04,791 --> 03:00:07,555 I may have put a clog in that one. 2277 03:00:08,295 --> 03:00:11,059 In other words, the trial alerted whitey. 2278 03:00:11,598 --> 03:00:13,122 Yeah. 2279 03:00:13,667 --> 03:00:17,330 But I almost did it, didn't I? I almost pulled it off, almost made it. 2280 03:00:18,338 --> 03:00:20,499 No, Charlie, you weren't even close. 2281 03:00:21,274 --> 03:00:23,902 You killed some people, that's what you did. 2282 03:00:24,077 --> 03:00:25,908 You accomplished murder. 2283 03:00:26,179 --> 03:00:30,616 You took a bunch of sad kids, human flotsam... 2284 03:00:30,784 --> 03:00:33,378 ...and you played jailhouse games on them. 2285 03:00:33,954 --> 03:00:35,387 That's it, Charlie. 2286 03:00:35,555 --> 03:00:37,955 You're not even important anymore. 2287 03:00:59,546 --> 03:01:02,242 On February 18th, 1972... 2288 03:01:02,415 --> 03:01:07,318 ...the California State Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in California. 2289 03:01:07,487 --> 03:01:10,650 The death sentences of the killers in the Manson Family... 2290 03:01:10,824 --> 03:01:13,725 ...were automatically reduced to life imprisonment. 2291 03:01:13,894 --> 03:01:15,361 Manson himself... 2292 03:01:15,529 --> 03:01:20,262 ...becomes eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2293 03:01:21,535 --> 03:01:26,063 Susan Atkins, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2294 03:01:26,907 --> 03:01:31,742 Patricia Krenwinkel, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2295 03:01:32,979 --> 03:01:37,348 Leslie Van Houten, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2296 03:01:38,018 --> 03:01:43,251 Charles Tex Watson, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2297 03:01:43,790 --> 03:01:48,523 Bobby Beausoleil, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2298 03:01:49,162 --> 03:01:52,620 Meanwhile, other Family members, some implicated in one or more... 2299 03:01:52,799 --> 03:01:55,666 ...of the 35 killings admitted by Charles Manson... 2300 03:01:55,836 --> 03:01:59,203 ...are right now either at liberty or awaiting parole. 2301 03:02:02,442 --> 03:02:04,637 With Charles Manson in jail... 2302 03:02:04,811 --> 03:02:08,144 ...does an era of madness now come to an end? 2303 03:02:08,448 --> 03:02:12,612 Or will the social compost heap from which he sprang produce other... 2304 03:02:12,786 --> 03:02:16,278 ...perhaps more virulent strains of Mansonism? 2305 03:02:17,023 --> 03:02:20,891 Are there many more? Perhaps hundreds, or even thousands... 2306 03:02:21,061 --> 03:02:25,930 ...of young Mansons germinating in the same hotbed that gave birth to Charlie? 2307 03:02:26,099 --> 03:02:30,832 And will they be more antisocial, more aberrant than the original?201249

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