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Good evening. You are about to see
a dramatization of actual facts...
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...in which some of the names
have been changed. But the story is true.
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If it were not true,
it would not be believable...
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...for it is one of the most
bizarre chapters in the history of crime.
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We may not like to accept
that people such as those...
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...in the story of Helter Skelter
exist in our life, and yet they do.
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And while they do, we cannot say
that the story of Helter Skelter is ended.
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The foothills and canyons
above Beverly Hills...
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...in the early morning hours
of Saturday, August 9, 1969.
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"It was so quiet, "
one of the killers would say...
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..."you could hear ice
rattling in cocktail shakers...
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...in the homes way down the canyon. "
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What was that? Sounded like a gun.
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Come on, let's go to bed.
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All right.
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Hey, hey, hey. Shut up, you two.
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You two are gonna end up
in the pound if you don't look out.
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Now what's the matter, boy, huh?
What's the matter?
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Cookie, Cookie.
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- What are you shaking for, huh?
- Please, don't. Don't. No, please.
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Please, no. No. No!
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And what direction
did the screams come from?
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I couldn't say exactly. In these hills
the sounds get scrambled.
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Murder! Murder! Murder!
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Six-Adam-25 at location.
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All right, please, everybody move back.
Just move back, please.
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We don't know anything yet.
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How do you open this thing?
Miss, how do you open this thing?
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I'll need you to identify the bodies.
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I can't go back in there.
No, no, no way.
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No.
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Hey, look, there's even blood
on this button.
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Is that the killer?
Where did you find him?
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How many did he kill?
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- Well, what's his name?
- Garretson, William.
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Mr. Rosner? Sergeant Smith, Homicide.
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- You are Mr. Polanski's business manager?
- Yeah.
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It's going to be difficult for you, sir,
we know, but we need your help.
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This way.
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The first one is in this car here, Mr. Rosner.
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- Can you identify him, sir?
- No.
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- No idea?
- I never saw him before.
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All right, can we look
at the others now, please?
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- Voytek.
- Who?
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A friend of Roman's from Poland.
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Voytek Frykowski.
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Okay, good.
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Do you know her?
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I think so.
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It'd be a big help
if you could make it positive.
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Gibby.
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Abigail Folger.
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The coffee family.
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Yeah, she and Voytek
were staying with...
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...Sharon while Roman was-
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Sharon?
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I'll have that blood sample
in five seconds.
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Okay.
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I'll get that later.
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That's Jay...
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...Sebring.
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I think, I don't really know.
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I know he's beat all to hell,
but you're pretty sure?
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Yes.
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Would you come to this side
of the sofa, please, Mr. Rosner?
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Oh, my God. Sharon.
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Often called one of the world's
most beautiful women...
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...Miss Tate was eight months pregnant
at the time of her death.
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Her body, clad only
in flowered bikini panties and bra...
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...and bearing multiple stab wounds...
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...was found with a nylon rope
tied around her neck.
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The other end was around
the neck of Jay Sebring...
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...known men's hair stylist,
who according to police...
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...had been stabbed, beaten and shot.
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Police describe Garretson's answers
as stuporous and unresponsive.
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They said he would be held
for further questioning.
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In other developments,
law enforcement sources confirm today...
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...that drugs have been found
in the house on Elysium Drive...
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...as well as in Jay Sebring's Porsche.
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One day after the Tate murders,
Leno and Rosemary LaBianca...
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...return from a trip to the mountains.
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Veteran newsmen theorize...
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...that the fact that Garretson was held
for questioning had not been specifically-
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- How are you folks?
- Fine, Herb.
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- I'm not.
- She's upset because of these killings.
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- A terrible thing.
- Yeah.
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The world is full of crazies.
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- They got the guy, so what's the worry?
- It sure sounds like the guy.
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- Have you folks been up at the lake?
- Yeah.
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- It must be nice there.
- I don't know.
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I couldn't get a racing form up there.
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Listen, the last time we were up there
somebody went through our house.
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- I'll see you later.
- So long.
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- How old are you?
- Nineteen.
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Keep your look forward, please.
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Were you the caretaker?
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Yes, sir.
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Is your true last name Garretson?
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Yes.
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Did you know the boy
they found dead in the car?
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Steve Parent. But not so good.
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Concerning Steve Parent,
did you cause his death?
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No.
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You understood the question?
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Yes.
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Do you feel responsible for Steve's death?
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- Well, that he even knew me, yeah.
- Huh?
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Well, that he even knew me.
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I mean, he wouldn't have come
to visit me that night.
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Nothing would've happened,
in other words, to him.
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Did you cause Mrs. Polanski's death?
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No.
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Why are you so nervous?
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- Wouldn't you be?
- Not if I was telling the truth.
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But I am telling the truth.
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So relax.
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I can tell you what made me
so nervous if you want to know.
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What?
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When they brought me in here...
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...a policeman pointed to me
and said, "That's the guy.
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That's the guy
who killed all those people. "
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- So it's not because you're lying?
- I'm not lying.
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I'm just confused.
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Why are you confused?
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Well, for one thing...
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...how come I wasn't murdered?
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- Are you Franklyn?
- Yeah.
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Harry Jones, Sheriff's Homicide,
and my partner, Bob White.
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- We know each other. Hi, Ted.
- Sit down, fellas. You want some coffee?
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- Oh, we're on our way to eat.
- Well, it's about that time.
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- You're on Tate, right?
- Yeah.
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What do you got?
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Maybe nothing. We've been
on the Hinman case.
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Hinman, the music teacher?
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He was cut up pretty good
like the Tate people.
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The same kind of crazy viciousness,
you know.
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And we saw in the Teletype that
the Tate killers left a message, "pig. "
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Yeah, in blood.
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The Hinman killers wrote "political piggy"
on the wall.
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- In blood.
- Well, didn't you pick up somebody on that?
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- Bobby Beausoleil.
- So he was in custody during Tate?
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The thing is we don't think
he was alone on Hinman.
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He's been living with a bunch
of hippies at the old-
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A bunch of weirdos out there.
They think their leader is Jesus Christ.
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Jesus Christ, huh?
Peace and love and flowers.
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These are bigtime dope murders, Harry.
Now we're sure of that.
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Well...
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...we thought it was worth
mentioning anyhow.
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Similar mode of death,
message left in both places...
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...both printed, both in blood,
the word "pig" in both messages.
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Well, I see what you mean, but the dope
angle is the only one that fits here.
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- You want to come and eat with us?
- No, thanks, I'm brown-bagging.
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I gotta hang around.
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So long, sir. Good luck.
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Sunday, two days after the Tate murders.
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I really am sorry, sis,
to get you up so late.
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That's okay, Frank.
I don't blame you.
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When I saw all the shades down
and the boat in the driveway...
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...and the light on in the kitchen
and Mom didn't answer...
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...when I kept knocking,
well, I got a little scared to go in.
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You did the right thing.
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Susan, why don't you wait here,
and Frank and I'll take a look.
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Garretson is released for lack of evidence
three days after the Tate murders...
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...two after LaBianca.
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I don't see any connection
between the Tate and LaBianca killings.
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There are similarities,
but we think the dissimilarities...
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...are so strong as to preclude
any connection. For instance-
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- And the writings on the wall?
- I don't know who told you...
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...there was writing at the
LaBianca residence. I didn't say there was.
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We believe the LaBiancas
were killed by a copycat.
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There are a lot of psychos.
This sort of thing turns them on.
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Are you saying the killings
were done by psychos?
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I'm saying we have no motive...
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...and there was no connection
between the victims that we know of.
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- That you know of?
- That we know of.
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Drugs were found at the Tate murders,
while none were found at the LaBiancas.
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We believe the Tate killings
were a drug burn.
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Now, here's that Beatles album
I told you about.
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I don't say it's anything solid,
but I got me a hunch.
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- Mark, you guys working on the Tate case?
- LaBianca, Ted's on Tate.
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Now here, you see?
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- I've got something for you guys.
- A good cigar?
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Those pieces of gun grip
you found at the Tate scene...
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...they come from a Hi Standard
.22 caliber Longhorn revolver.
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Now, that's known as a Buntline Special.
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It's patterned after guns
that Ned Buntline made for Wyatt Earp.
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- Look, the firearms experts broke the case.
- As usual.
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They're not too many made
with that kind of grip.
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We're sending a flyer out to every P.D.
in the U.S. And Canada.
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- In no time at all, you'll have your gun.
- Sure. One chance in a 1000.
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All you do is match up the bullets
found in Sebring and Frykowski...
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...your case is solved, just like on TV.
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That's not the way you break cases, Hank.
You do it by filling out forms in triplicate.
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Now, here's a song called "Piggies. "
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- They printed "death to pigs" on the wall.
- Right.
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And here's a song called "Helter Skelter. "
"Helter Skelter was on the refrigerator door. "
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- Look, I know it's a wild guess-
- That's not so wild.
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It's not as wild as stabbing
some woman 41 times...
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...and then go on stabbing her
even after she's dead.
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It may as well be thrown in.
We don't have much.
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- You said it.
- Well, it beats a blank.
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Yeah, hopefully.
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One week after the killings...
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...in answer to complaints
of an auto-theft ring...
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...but unrelated to the Tate-LaBianca
investigations...
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...deputies from the L.A. Sheriff's
Department conduct a raid...
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...at the isolated Spahn Movie Ranch
in the Simi hills northwest of Los Angeles.
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Because some of the members
of the hippie cult at the ranch...
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...sleep in groups
away from the main buildings...
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...many of the officers move
into the ranch from the back way.
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All right, put your hands on your head.
Keep them where I can see them.
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Get up! Come here! Get up!
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Danny DeCarlo, a member
of the Straight Satan motorcycle club.
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Danny stays at the ranch
because of the wide variety of girls.
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Hold it!
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Susan Denise Atkins,
21 years old...
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...also known as Sadie Mae Glutz,
and infant son, Zezozose Zadfrack Glutz.
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This one's got a baby.
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Come on. All right, come on.
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Let go of my arm. Christ.
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- Okay, Charlie, come on out of there.
- Come on, let's get your hands up.
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- Move!
- All right! Damn it, I'm coming!
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- All right!
- Get out.
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All right! All right!
I'm coming! I'm coming! I'm here, man!
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All right.
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- Quit struggling! You're not gonna get hurt.
- Just be quiet, Charlie, everything's okay.
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- All right, on your feet.
- Let's go. Up. Up.
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- What's the matter?
- You're under arrest.
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- What for?
- Grand theft auto, okay? Let's go.
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Why don't you tell them to relax. I'll
tell some of the girls to be nice to you.
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00:22:56,641 --> 00:23:01,408
Sayce, 22 years old, also known
as Moses, also known as Boots.
232
00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,413
Steve Grogan, 17,
also known as Clem...
233
00:23:04,583 --> 00:23:08,019
...an escapee from a state mental hospital.
234
00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:11,912
Patricia Krenwinkel, 22 years old...
235
00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:14,786
...also known as Katie,
also known as Marnie Reeves...
236
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,293
...also known as Big Patty,
also known as Mary Ann Scott.
237
00:23:28,006 --> 00:23:31,635
There he is. All right, Charlie...
238
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:37,271
...tell them I'm a ranch hand.
I'm not part of your crummy Family.
239
00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:43,182
Look, wake up old man Spahn. Ask him.
240
00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:47,758
I don't belong to this gang.
I'm a ranch hand.
241
00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:51,794
Damn it, why do you do this to me
every time you put a bust on these bums?
242
00:23:51,963 --> 00:23:56,263
I work here. You take me in, Flynn,
who's gonna do the work?
243
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,427
- Will you tell us what you know?
- You're damn right.
244
00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,698
Snitch! Snitch! Snitch!
245
00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:16,019
It's not nice to snitch, Shorty.
246
00:24:16,688 --> 00:24:18,781
Horse manure.
247
00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:23,792
Charles Milles Manson, also known
as Jesus Christ, God, Soul, the Devil.
248
00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:28,763
Charles Willis Manson, born
No Name Maddox, November 12th, 1934.
249
00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:31,903
Mother, Kathleen Maddox.
Lived with a succession of men.
250
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:37,064
Married briefly to William Manson,
who gave young Charles his last name.
251
00:24:40,111 --> 00:24:42,443
Let's start getting
these people out of here.
252
00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:45,674
All right, all children with their mothers.
253
00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:53,090
All females, let's go. On your feet.
254
00:24:53,258 --> 00:24:55,226
Single-file line to the bus.
255
00:24:58,196 --> 00:25:01,791
- On your feet, girl.
- What do you think we're on?
256
00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:05,994
- Okay.
- All right, on your feet. Get on your feet.
257
00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:12,607
Kathleen Maddox served time
in state penitentiary for armed robbery.
258
00:25:12,777 --> 00:25:15,268
Charles lived with relatives,
then his mother...
259
00:25:15,447 --> 00:25:17,881
...and a series of her lovers
in rundown hotels.
260
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:21,212
Unwanted, he ran away at 12,
burglarized several stores...
261
00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:23,820
...was caught and sent to Boys Town.
262
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:28,517
Fled four days later in a stolen car.
Committed first armed robbery, age 13.
263
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,594
Has spent 17 years,
one half of his life...
264
00:25:31,763 --> 00:25:36,325
...in boys homes, jails
and federal penitentiaries.
265
00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:02,385
Took guitar lessons in prison
from Alvin Karpis...
266
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,052
...lone survivor of the old
Ma Barker gang.
267
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:09,758
Twice married and divorced.
Fathered two children, probably more.
268
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:43,728
Criminal record includes burglary,
armed robbery, attempted escape...
269
00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:48,032
...parole violation, homosexual rape,
assault, procuring...
270
00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:51,664
...mail theft, grand theft auto, forgery.
271
00:26:51,843 --> 00:26:56,109
Psychiatric evaluation: emotional
instability, rejection reaction...
272
00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,808
...psychic trauma, bisexual,
dangerous, assaultive.
273
00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:35,615
Three weeks after the murders...
274
00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:40,156
...9-year-old Steven Quint is working
with his father in their back yard.
275
00:27:53,772 --> 00:27:57,708
Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad, look what I found.
276
00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:09,379
I'm holding it this way so I don't mess up
the fingerprints. I saw it on Dragnet.
277
00:28:12,724 --> 00:28:16,057
My son's convinced this gun
was involved in every major crime...
278
00:28:16,227 --> 00:28:19,526
...from the Black Dahlia
to those Tate murders three weeks ago.
279
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,030
We appreciate your calling, Mr. Quint.
280
00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,559
It looks like it's been used
to hammer something.
281
00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,963
Thank you.
282
00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:41,043
Steven Quint's discovery is tagged
and filed in the property room...
283
00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:45,451
...of the Van Nuys Division
of the Los Angeles Police Department.
284
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,587
Come out! Come on out! Let's go!
285
00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:56,461
Come on out! Come on!
286
00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,098
- What happened?
- We had to release them.
287
00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:03,138
- DA's reject. Insufficient evidence.
- My aching back.
288
00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:08,041
Come on, let's go! Come on, go! Go!
289
00:29:14,719 --> 00:29:18,712
- Sheriff's Homicide. Jones.
- Harry, Phil Cohen here.
290
00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:22,916
- Hey, Phillip, what's up?
- Well, just a thought.
291
00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:27,690
- You were working on that Hinman case?
- Yeah, we're still on it.
292
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:32,462
Well, Mark and I are on this LaBianca thing,
and we were just wondering...
293
00:29:32,637 --> 00:29:36,596
...what exactly did you find
printed on the walls at the Hinman place?
294
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,072
"Political piggy. "
295
00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:42,345
- Political piggy?
- Right, Hinman's blood.
296
00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,483
- Political piggy.
- That's one hell of a coincidence, huh?
297
00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:47,515
- You said it.
- By the way, Phil...
298
00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:50,085
- Yeah.
- We picked up that whole gang...
299
00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:52,120
...out there at Spahn Ranch.
300
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:56,852
You know, that's where Bobby Beausoleil
was living when he killed Garry Hinman.
301
00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,893
There's a ranch hand out there...
302
00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:01,623
...you might want to talk to.
Name is Shorty Shea.
303
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,792
He's had a couple run-ins
with the leader of this gang...
304
00:30:04,969 --> 00:30:07,529
...and he may have heard something.
305
00:30:07,705 --> 00:30:10,799
Right, Shorty Shea.
I got it, Harry. Thank you.
306
00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,205
- You bet.
- Okay, bye-bye.
307
00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:03,124
Come on in.
308
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,523
Hi.
309
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:11,594
Hi. You're new around here, aren't you?
310
00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:15,102
Charlie left me here to take
good care of George.
311
00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:20,500
They took off, huh?
I thought the place looked deserted.
312
00:31:20,678 --> 00:31:23,647
- Manuel Gris, Mr. Spahn.
- Phil Cohen, Mr. Spahn.
313
00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:25,908
I recognize your voice, Mr. Cohen.
314
00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:30,887
Charlie and his girls took off
the day after you were down here last time.
315
00:31:31,856 --> 00:31:33,289
Over a month ago.
316
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:37,693
Yeah. You gentlemen want some lunch?
317
00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:42,055
- No, thank you. Some other time.
- No, thank you.
318
00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:44,799
But we were wondering, Mr. Spahn...
319
00:31:44,969 --> 00:31:47,665
...if Mr. Shea had come back
from San Francisco yet.
320
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,171
- Shorty?
- Couple of Charlie's girls...
321
00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:53,037
...told us he went to San Francisco
for a few weeks.
322
00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:55,441
That's what Charlie told me too.
323
00:31:56,047 --> 00:32:01,815
But it wasn't like old Shorty to haul freight
like that without saying boo to me about it.
324
00:32:01,986 --> 00:32:07,014
But he just turned up missing one day,
and I ain't seen hide nor hair of him since.
325
00:32:08,326 --> 00:32:12,820
- Learned exclusively that pieces of a gun
grip were found at the Tate murder scene.
326
00:32:12,997 --> 00:32:16,660
And that the gun police are
seeking is a 22 caliber pistol.
327
00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:20,235
That's the news. And now,
this comment and a question:
328
00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:24,865
Two months have passed since Sharon Tate
and four others were slaughtered.
329
00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:27,477
And yet not one suspect is in custody.
330
00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:31,706
Not one piece of concrete evidence is
presented to a frightened community...
331
00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:34,477
...that progress is being made.
332
00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:42,082
- Sounds like the gun Stevie found.
- Had a broken grip, didn't it?
333
00:32:43,928 --> 00:32:48,422
It must not be the one.
When was it we gave it to the police?
334
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,658
Was over a month ago.
335
00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:53,963
Surely they'd have come back
to ask more questions by now.
336
00:32:54,138 --> 00:32:55,935
And search the hillside.
337
00:33:04,782 --> 00:33:06,010
Help!
338
00:33:06,184 --> 00:33:10,587
Death Valley, California, two months
after the Tate and LaBianca murders.
339
00:33:10,755 --> 00:33:13,019
Stephanie Mark, 17 years old.
340
00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:18,322
And Kitty Lassiter, 17 years old
and five months pregnant.
341
00:33:25,536 --> 00:33:28,801
- Please, will you take us somewhere?
- Oh, please!
342
00:33:28,973 --> 00:33:30,838
- Where you going?
- Anywhere at all.
343
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,534
- Somebody is trying to kill us.
- All right, who?
344
00:33:33,711 --> 00:33:35,838
- Charlie Manson.
- Please! Come on!
345
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,379
- Come on.
- Get in the back.
346
00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:41,484
They tell the officers the Manson Family
left Spahn Ranch a month before...
347
00:33:41,652 --> 00:33:44,314
...and has stayed at Barker Ranch
in Death Valley.
348
00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:47,720
Kitty is pregnant by Family member
Bobby Beausoleil...
349
00:33:47,892 --> 00:33:51,384
...now in custody in Los Angeles
for the murder of Gary Hinman.
350
00:33:51,562 --> 00:33:55,464
Stephanie is a recent favorite of
Charlie Manson, now fallen from grace.
351
00:33:55,633 --> 00:33:58,761
Both girls believe Manson will
kill them for what they know.
352
00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:02,838
They don't know that Manson and the
Family were arrested two days earlier...
353
00:34:03,007 --> 00:34:06,773
...for the destruction
of an earthmoving machine.
354
00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:11,711
We got him over in the jail at Independence.
We picked him up, and the gang, yesterday.
355
00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,215
- What for?
- Arson.
356
00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:17,877
Burning up one of those
earthmoving machines.
357
00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:20,887
- You have anything to do with it?
- No.
358
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,751
Sir.
359
00:34:25,229 --> 00:34:30,963
- Are you taking us to Independence too?
- I'm afraid we'll have to.
360
00:34:31,536 --> 00:34:33,766
You're not gonna put us
with them, are you?
361
00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,065
No, you'll be by yourself.
362
00:34:36,474 --> 00:34:41,309
Now, what are some of those things that
you know that Charlie wishes you didn't?
363
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,741
Bobby Beausoleil didn't do it by himself.
I know that.
364
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,888
What's that, kill Gary Hinman?
365
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:55,692
Sadie was there too. She helped.
366
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:58,124
- Sadie?
- Sadie Mae Glutz.
367
00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:01,023
Sadie Mae Glutz. Is that her real name?
368
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,330
No, I think her real name is Susan Atkins.
369
00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:11,102
Susan Atkins is Sadie Mae Glutz?
370
00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:14,338
Isn't that the girl we arrested yesterday?
371
00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:17,274
You better call
the L.A. County Sheriff's Office.
372
00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:21,350
Have them send somebody down
to talk to that little lady.
373
00:35:24,255 --> 00:35:28,817
Even after Bobby slashed his face,
he just wouldn't give us the money.
374
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,528
Is that why you ended up
having to kill him? The money?
375
00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:36,861
Sure. $5000. We knew he had it.
376
00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:39,332
He just wouldn't give it to us.
377
00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:45,534
So me and Bobby took turns sleeping and
guarding him, so he wouldn't get away.
378
00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:48,471
And one night, while I was in the kitchen...
379
00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:53,049
...I heard Gary yell, "Don't, Bobby. "
380
00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:56,584
And he staggered into the kitchen.
He had blood on his chest.
381
00:35:56,754 --> 00:36:00,850
Sort of pouring out through his fingers,
you know?
382
00:36:01,025 --> 00:36:04,722
- What happened then?
- Well...
383
00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:08,995
We thought that was it for him.
He fell down, he was just laying there.
384
00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:14,404
So we wiped the house for prints, okay?
385
00:36:15,606 --> 00:36:19,474
And we were about to jam out of there,
and we heard Gary again.
386
00:36:19,644 --> 00:36:22,636
Just moaning and groaning.
387
00:36:23,714 --> 00:36:28,811
He's a funny guy. He just wouldn't die.
Just wouldn't.
388
00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:33,082
So Bobby went back in,
and I heard Gary again.
389
00:36:33,591 --> 00:36:37,118
"Oh, no, Bobby. Please, don't. "
390
00:36:37,895 --> 00:36:42,332
And then I heard a sound like gurgling,
as when people are dying.
391
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,365
Susan.
392
00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:48,472
Would you repeat this on tape for us?
393
00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:52,705
No way.
394
00:36:54,612 --> 00:36:58,946
- Why did you tell us in the first place?
- For fun.
395
00:37:00,484 --> 00:37:04,284
You can't use it.
I'll just say I made it up.
396
00:37:06,824 --> 00:37:12,285
Okay, Sadie Mae. We'll be bringing
you back to L.A. This afternoon.
397
00:37:12,463 --> 00:37:15,694
You have any objection
to flying in a small plane?
398
00:37:16,267 --> 00:37:17,928
I love to fly.
399
00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:40,849
Two months and one week
after the Tate-LaBianca killings...
400
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:43,687
...Atkins is arrested
for the Gary Hinman murder...
401
00:37:43,861 --> 00:37:48,594
...and brought to Sybil Brand Institute
for Women in East Los Angeles.
402
00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:05,379
Take 31, that's your bunk.
403
00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:16,927
- Cute.
- Yeah, probably straight too.
404
00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:35,543
- What's your name, honey?
- Sadie.
405
00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:39,477
Sexy Sadie.
406
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,253
Charlie.
407
00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:55,788
Charlie's the strongest man alive.
408
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:01,163
They keep putting him in prison.
They can't break him. He has powers.
409
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:05,139
- Powers?
- Believe me.
410
00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:09,311
I mean, he's not very big, physically...
411
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,381
...but everybody does what he says.
412
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:15,144
Even when he doesn't say it.
413
00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:19,055
- You know what I mean.
- No, not really.
414
00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:23,253
He's...
415
00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,626
He's our father. He's our leader.
416
00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:31,597
- He's our love.
- Really good, huh?
417
00:39:31,769 --> 00:39:36,069
Our teacher. He's everything.
418
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,265
In fact...
419
00:39:46,784 --> 00:39:51,118
You're a nice person, Ronnie.
I can trust you.
420
00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:54,689
- Thanks.
- No, I feel that.
421
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,692
- Ronnie.
- Yes?
422
00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:04,900
Charlie's Jesus Christ.
423
00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:09,029
He is?
424
00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,206
Oh.
425
00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:21,074
What are you in here for?
426
00:40:23,387 --> 00:40:27,016
First degree murder. Gary Hinman.
427
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,625
- Did you do it?
- Sure.
428
00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:36,099
They got it wrong.
429
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:40,894
They claim I held him
while Bobby stabbed him.
430
00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:47,067
The way it came down was Bobby held
him while I stabbed him four or five times.
431
00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:51,746
- Cops are really dumb.
- What do you mean?
432
00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:54,575
There's a case right now.
433
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:59,248
They're so far off the track,
they don't even know what's happening.
434
00:40:59,423 --> 00:41:04,486
- What are you talking about?
- That one in Benedict Canyon.
435
00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:06,560
Bene-?
436
00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:11,429
- Oh, you don't mean Sharon Tate?
- Sure.
437
00:41:12,837 --> 00:41:15,431
You know who did it, don't you?
438
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:20,107
- No.
- Well...
439
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,047
...you're looking at her.
440
00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:28,613
You gotta be kidding.
441
00:41:45,436 --> 00:41:46,994
Boy, I'm tired.
442
00:41:49,473 --> 00:41:51,737
Why don't we go to bed?
443
00:41:54,879 --> 00:41:56,244
Why don't I stay here?
444
00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:03,682
I'm really tired.
445
00:42:06,557 --> 00:42:08,286
Well...
446
00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:11,126
Okay.
447
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:17,025
- Good night, love.
- Good night.
448
00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:36,083
- Danny DeCarlo?
- Hello.
449
00:42:44,528 --> 00:42:49,431
- You know Kitty Lassiter?
- No, man. I never heard of her.
450
00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:55,167
She says you used to hang around Spahn's
Ranch with Charlie Manson's Family.
451
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:57,534
Man, I never heard of him either.
452
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,804
Couple of charges pending against you,
I believe, Danny.
453
00:43:03,981 --> 00:43:05,642
Grand theft and a federal rap.
454
00:43:06,216 --> 00:43:09,811
Giving false information
while purchasing a firearm.
455
00:43:11,055 --> 00:43:15,048
Maybe they made a mistake cutting
you out on your own recognizance.
456
00:43:16,126 --> 00:43:19,357
Well, I guess you boys
wanna ask me a few questions, huh?
457
00:43:25,703 --> 00:43:31,232
The morning of November 18, 1969, I was
on my way to work in the Hall of Justice.
458
00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:35,435
It was just three months after
the Tate-LaBianca murders.
459
00:43:36,747 --> 00:43:38,510
Vince!
460
00:43:38,882 --> 00:43:41,146
Come here. I was looking for you.
461
00:43:41,318 --> 00:43:44,412
- What's this all about?
- Never mind. You'll see.
462
00:43:47,691 --> 00:43:51,252
We've got statements from the bikers,
Al Springer and Danny DeCarlo.
463
00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:55,091
- Well, they finally found you, huh, Vince?
- Congratulations, Vince.
464
00:43:55,265 --> 00:43:56,596
On what?
465
00:43:56,767 --> 00:44:01,170
I want you to okay this press release
before we let it go out, all right?
466
00:44:01,438 --> 00:44:04,703
"Dateline, Los Angeles,
November 18, 1969.
467
00:44:05,209 --> 00:44:07,700
DA Evelle Younger's office
announced today...
468
00:44:07,878 --> 00:44:10,745
...that Deputy DA Vincent T. Bugliosi...
469
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,314
...has been named co-prosecutor
in the Sharon Tate murder case. "
470
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,077
Are we gonna handle it?
471
00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:21,885
"Mr. Bugliosi, chosen from a staff
of 450 lawyers to prosecute this case...
472
00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:26,890
...has previously tried
104 felony jury trials, losing only one. "
473
00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:29,191
You make me sound like a sure winner.
474
00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:31,266
- What do we got to go on?
- Not much.
475
00:44:31,435 --> 00:44:34,996
Few statements, that's it.
None of which can be used in evidence.
476
00:44:35,806 --> 00:44:37,296
Why not?
477
00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:39,738
- Aranda?
- That's right.
478
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,311
California Supreme Court,
The People v. Aranda, 1965.
479
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,075
These are all statements from defendants
implicating codefendants.
480
00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:51,713
So Manson ordered Hinman killed.
481
00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,719
Yep, that's the way Bobby told it.
482
00:44:55,893 --> 00:45:01,889
- He said Charlie sent him, Mary, Sadie-
- Wait a minute. Who's Mary?
483
00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:04,432
Mary Brunner, man.
484
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,402
Is this her?
485
00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:12,768
Yeah, that's her.
486
00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:17,679
Her and Bobby and Sadie.
487
00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:22,216
They went to Gary's place.
488
00:45:22,786 --> 00:45:24,617
By the way, my man...
489
00:45:24,788 --> 00:45:27,723
...is Charlie gonna know
I talked to you guys?
490
00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:32,760
- Charlie's up in jail in Independence.
- Charlie's got a long reach, man.
491
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:36,696
None of the girls know you're here.
We'll make sure they don't.
492
00:45:36,867 --> 00:45:38,391
Just between me and you...
493
00:45:39,303 --> 00:45:41,828
...the little dude scares
the hell out of me.
494
00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:43,770
He's a freak, man.
495
00:45:44,141 --> 00:45:48,601
I mean, he did Shorty just like that,
just because he thought he was snitching.
496
00:45:49,146 --> 00:45:51,307
- Who told you that?
- It's in the tapes.
497
00:45:51,482 --> 00:45:53,848
- I told the other detectives.
- Tell me again.
498
00:45:54,017 --> 00:45:56,884
- So your story doesn't change.
- I'm telling the truth.
499
00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:58,578
Now, what would be the point?
500
00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:04,193
Okay, Danny. All right.
Who told you about killing Shorty?
501
00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,631
Cisco Budge.
502
00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:18,497
- Said they cut him up in nine pieces, man.
- Is this him?
503
00:46:18,675 --> 00:46:21,371
Chopped his head off too.
504
00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:25,440
That's Boots.
505
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,311
- Boots?
- Yeah, man. Boots.
506
00:46:27,484 --> 00:46:31,545
He was one of the young kids.
He hung out to the ranch.
507
00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:34,623
He didn't seem to fit in with the Family.
508
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,761
Boots is no longer with us, Danny.
509
00:46:38,896 --> 00:46:41,490
What do you mean,
"Boots is no longer with us"?
510
00:46:41,665 --> 00:46:44,031
He's among the dead.
511
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,868
Well, terrific.
512
00:46:51,375 --> 00:46:53,502
Since when?
513
00:46:53,677 --> 00:46:58,808
Couple weeks ago. Accidentally
shot himself playing Russian roulette.
514
00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:03,013
- Who was with him?
- Cisco Budge.
515
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,054
Cisco Budge?
516
00:47:07,591 --> 00:47:09,286
All right.
517
00:47:10,527 --> 00:47:14,019
Okay. Boots must have got out of line.
518
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,233
- That wasn't no accident.
- Some other members of the Family-
519
00:47:18,402 --> 00:47:21,860
I know, I know. And they all tell
the same story, right?
520
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:27,033
That's it, partner. I ain't talking no more.
I'm riding out of here on the wind.
521
00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:31,739
There's still charges against you, Danny.
I don't think you'll feel very safe in jail.
522
00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:36,375
- That's where Charlie is.
- That sure is cold, man.
523
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:44,854
Danny, go to Spahn Ranch
with me tomorrow.
524
00:47:45,028 --> 00:47:50,159
Oh, no way, baby. No. Not the kid.
525
00:47:50,334 --> 00:47:52,768
I heard
some of the Family is still up there.
526
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:57,739
We need a guide.
If you don't wanna go, it's your decision.
527
00:48:05,148 --> 00:48:07,116
Well, what about the charges, man?
528
00:48:15,425 --> 00:48:17,120
All right.
529
00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:22,163
All right, I'll do it. Yeah, I'll do it.
530
00:48:24,201 --> 00:48:26,294
If you handcuff me.
531
00:48:46,857 --> 00:48:48,916
Flapping to the fuzz, huh, Danny?
532
00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:12,209
- My God. Does she live here?
- Yeah, she lives here.
533
00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:16,648
- She's happy.
- Is it all right to be happy?
534
00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:22,023
And they had this
9 mm Polish random automatic.
535
00:49:22,192 --> 00:49:25,161
Danny, did you ever see
a 22 caliber Buntline revolver?
536
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,820
- That's the one Charlie carried.
- Here's another. 22.
537
00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:32,594
- Wait a minute, are you sure of that?
- About the Buntline? Hell, yes, I'm sure.
538
00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:38,264
- Cleaned the guns. I am a weapons man.
- So Charlie had a. 22 caliber Buntline.
539
00:49:38,442 --> 00:49:41,377
That's the one he did
the Black Panther with.
540
00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:44,070
- You hear about that one?
- No.
541
00:49:44,247 --> 00:49:47,239
That's the kill that went down
about a year ago.
542
00:49:47,417 --> 00:49:51,979
Charlie had some trouble with this nigger
over a dope deal. So he snuffed him.
543
00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:55,613
When was the last time
you saw that 22 Buntline?
544
00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:59,462
A week before
the sheriff's office raided us.
545
00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:02,325
- So that would be August 16th, right?
- Hey.
546
00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:06,299
Charlie didn't allow no calendars
or clocks at the ranch.
547
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:12,207
About a week after the Tate killings,
I asked him what happened to his gun.
548
00:50:12,376 --> 00:50:16,244
He always carried it in a holster.
I noticed right away it wasn't there.
549
00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:19,439
He said, "Hey, man, I just gave it away. "
550
00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:24,780
Danny, do you think Charlie
had anything to do with Tate?
551
00:50:26,323 --> 00:50:30,259
Man, I don't feel like talking about that.
552
00:50:35,098 --> 00:50:39,797
You know, Shorty's buried around here
somewhere, in nine different graves.
553
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:42,029
He was a real right dude too.
554
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:47,142
Danny, if we ever find this 22 caliber
Buntline revolver, could you ID it?
555
00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:49,073
Hell, yes, I could.
556
00:50:49,246 --> 00:50:52,579
- Who was the last to die?
- Sharon was the last to die.
557
00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:55,217
I was holding her arms behind her...
558
00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:59,685
...and she's looking at me,
begging and crying.
559
00:50:59,856 --> 00:51:04,486
"Please, don't kill me.
Please, don't kill me.
560
00:51:04,661 --> 00:51:10,725
I don't wanna die. I wanna live. I wanna
have my baby. I wanna have my baby. "
561
00:51:12,536 --> 00:51:15,972
And I looked her straight in the eye,
and I said:
562
00:51:16,139 --> 00:51:21,167
"Look, bitch, I don't care about you.
I don't care about your baby.
563
00:51:21,344 --> 00:51:25,713
You better be ready. You're gonna die,
and I don't feel a thing about it. "
564
00:51:25,882 --> 00:51:30,285
- And I proceeded to stab, okay?
- Okay.
565
00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:31,921
- And you know what?
- What?
566
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:36,753
I just kept stabbing her and stabbing her
until she stopped screaming.
567
00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:40,491
But she was pregnant.
Didn't it bother you to kill her?
568
00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:46,530
I thought you understood.
569
00:51:47,137 --> 00:51:48,934
I loved her.
570
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:53,736
And in order for me to kill her, I was
killing part of myself when I killed her.
571
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:57,004
In fact, Charlie gave us instructions
to mutilate them.
572
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,580
We were gonna cut out the baby
if we had time.
573
00:51:59,749 --> 00:52:01,774
I gotta go to the can.
574
00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:05,319
You know the other two? The next night?
575
00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:08,783
LaBiancas.
576
00:52:11,394 --> 00:52:12,759
Well, what do you think?
577
00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:18,799
And there's more. Before...
578
00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:21,904
...one guy, we cut his head off.
579
00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:26,202
Three more out in the desert,
and more besides.
580
00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:31,874
At least 11. Eleven they'll never solve.
581
00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:35,710
And there's gonna be plenty more to come.
582
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,785
We're gonna pick out some
of the biggest pigs and execute them...
583
00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:41,947
...and release them from this Earth.
584
00:52:46,229 --> 00:52:50,791
You have to have a real love in your heart
for people to do this for them.
585
00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:53,697
- You know?
- I gotta go to the can.
586
00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:59,339
I'll let you get some sleep.
587
00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:11,374
Sergeant, my life could be in danger
if anybody catches me talking to you.
588
00:54:11,548 --> 00:54:15,814
I know who killed Sharon Tate,
and I wanna talk to the lieutenant, please.
589
00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:19,012
You know who killed Tate,
and you want the lieutenant?
590
00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:22,317
- I'll tell him.
- Real soon, please.
591
00:54:22,492 --> 00:54:24,289
- I said, I'd tell him.
- Okay.
592
00:54:24,461 --> 00:54:27,794
Now get back in line and go to lunch
with the other girls.
593
00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:43,269
- Did you ask him?
- Ask who?
594
00:54:43,446 --> 00:54:48,850
Oh. Yeah. He wants more details to see
if you knew what you were talking about.
595
00:54:49,019 --> 00:54:52,648
Okay. Could we go someplace else private?
596
00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:01,028
I happen to know that the killers
did not cut out the baby.
597
00:55:01,197 --> 00:55:07,432
So you tell her that her informant is either
lying or unreliable. Quit wasting our time.
598
00:55:11,007 --> 00:55:14,875
Sergeant Broom, that's not what I said.
I didn't say she cut out the baby.
599
00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:19,675
She wanted to cut out the baby. They
wanted to do all these other kinds of things.
600
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:23,808
And they didn't have the time.
That's what I told you.
601
00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:26,512
I think we've bothered
the lieutenant enough.
602
00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:29,284
- No.
- The matter is closed.
603
00:55:32,962 --> 00:55:34,224
Oh, my God.
604
00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:44,563
Here, take these.
You go to court today, don't you?
605
00:55:44,808 --> 00:55:48,175
- Well, it's nothing to get thrown about.
- Oh, it's not that.
606
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,007
I'm just nervous.
607
00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:19,566
I'll give you each 50 cents if you
let me get in front of you in this line.
608
00:56:19,743 --> 00:56:23,543
- Cash?
- Yeah. Here, look.
609
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:26,178
Come on.
610
00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,884
- Deal.
- Oh, thanks a lot.
611
00:56:38,428 --> 00:56:41,727
Bus for the court leaves in four minutes.
612
00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:47,299
Yeah, well, what do you want me to do?
613
00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:50,834
I know, I know.
614
00:56:55,578 --> 00:56:57,739
The lawyer said-
615
00:56:59,883 --> 00:57:05,412
Hello, is this Homicide?
Oh, my name is Ronnie Howard.
616
00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,852
And I- What?
617
00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:09,514
Howard. Yes, sir.
618
00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:14,857
I wanna report that I know the people
that committed some of the murders...
619
00:57:15,031 --> 00:57:20,663
...that you are presently working on
the cases right now. Yes, sir. And-
620
00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:25,340
Ronnie Howard, sir. Yes.
621
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,500
Which ones? Well...
622
00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:32,638
Sharon Tate is one of them, sir.
623
00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:37,609
If we don't find the gun and tie it to
Manson, we have nothing on him...
624
00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:39,118
...except hearsay.
625
00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:42,087
None of the statements places him
at the murder scenes.
626
00:57:42,258 --> 00:57:46,752
But he ordered these killings!
He ordered Shea, Tate, Hinman, LaBianca.
627
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:49,592
- He's as guilty as Hitler.
- Can we prove it?
628
00:57:49,766 --> 00:57:53,224
- Not yet.
- Then we better go with what we got.
629
00:57:53,403 --> 00:57:56,304
- What have we got?
- Susan Atkins.
630
00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:59,965
- L.A.P.D. wants to make a deal with her.
- No way. Immunity for her?
631
00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:04,375
If what she told Ronnie Howard is true,
she personally killed Hinman and Tate.
632
00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:08,210
- We don't give her anything.
- We may have no choice.
633
00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:11,820
Chief Davis doesn't want her
to walk away any more than you do.
634
00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,116
But the public pressure
on him is unbelievable.
635
00:58:15,291 --> 00:58:18,124
Every time he shows his face,
a reporter asks him:
636
00:58:18,294 --> 00:58:22,458
"What, if anything, is happening on Tate?"
He is being pilloried by the press.
637
00:58:22,632 --> 00:58:26,796
- Aaron, just give me some time.
- We don't have time!
638
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:32,032
Inyo County can't hold Manson forever
on that arson charge.
639
00:58:32,208 --> 00:58:38,579
He'll disappear the minute they spring him,
unless we make a case against him, fast.
640
00:58:39,082 --> 00:58:40,811
Motive.
641
00:58:41,885 --> 00:58:43,648
We need a motive, Vince.
642
00:58:44,053 --> 00:58:48,012
What would be the motive
for the Tate slaughter?
643
00:58:48,458 --> 00:58:50,551
- Robbery?
- No, no. It can't be robbery.
644
00:58:50,727 --> 00:58:54,663
- Too much valuable property left behind.
- That's right.
645
00:58:55,064 --> 00:58:58,090
Well, you know how tough it is
to prove conspiracy, Vince.
646
00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:01,465
And that's what we gotta prove
if we're gonna convict Manson.
647
00:59:01,638 --> 00:59:03,572
Right, right, right.
648
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:07,699
You gonna prove that Manson's domination
over these hippies is so great...
649
00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:12,576
...that he ordered them to commit
seven seemingly unmotivated murders?
650
00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:14,683
And they obeyed?
651
00:59:15,785 --> 00:59:17,685
Good luck with the jury on that one.
652
00:59:25,061 --> 00:59:28,622
The Panamint Mountain Range.
The western edge of Death Valley.
653
00:59:28,798 --> 00:59:32,632
Three months after the killings.
Frank Fowles, DA of Inyo County...
654
00:59:32,802 --> 00:59:37,205
...guides a search party to Barker Ranch,
where the Family lived for over a month...
655
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:41,969
...prior to their arrest in October.
- Now, you're sure this trip was necessary?
656
01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:22,480
You mean to tell me, Manson drove
that bus up the way we just came?
657
01:00:23,586 --> 01:00:28,182
He brought it up here from the Vegas side,
which is only a little less rough.
658
01:00:28,358 --> 01:00:31,691
It'll never be driven out of here,
I can tell you that.
659
01:00:41,904 --> 01:00:44,737
These magazines all have
an article on Hitler in them.
660
01:00:44,907 --> 01:00:47,671
Oh, Charlie's a Hitler nut...
661
01:00:48,344 --> 01:00:50,437
...among other things.
662
01:00:51,114 --> 01:00:55,483
Vince, I have never heard anything
like the report...
663
01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:58,883
...the raiding officers turned in
on this gang up here.
664
01:00:59,055 --> 01:01:05,324
Drugs, sex orgies, dozens of girls
running around naked.
665
01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:09,730
Hell, they were charging
all over the landscape...
666
01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:12,868
...in a bunch of dune buggies
they brought up here.
667
01:01:13,036 --> 01:01:17,871
They had field phones strung
all over the area.
668
01:01:20,209 --> 01:01:24,669
You- You know this Charlie
thinks he's Jesus Christ.
669
01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:26,872
Yeah, so I heard.
670
01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:30,277
Vince...
671
01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:34,980
...what exactly are you looking for?
- Remember that. 22 I told you about?
672
01:01:35,158 --> 01:01:38,127
Come on, there are no guns here.
673
01:01:38,294 --> 01:01:41,195
This place has been gone over
with a fine-toothed comb.
674
01:01:41,364 --> 01:01:43,628
Well, at the LaBianca residence...
675
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,769
...the credit cards were stolen,
and her driver's license.
676
01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:48,995
Maybe they stole some dresses.
677
01:01:49,172 --> 01:01:50,434
Hey.
678
01:01:50,606 --> 01:01:55,737
- These dresses come from good stores.
- Maybe we can find some blood stains.
679
01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:59,609
At the Tate residence, a killer left
a bloody heel print on the porch.
680
01:01:59,782 --> 01:02:03,741
There was a little mark, a little indentation.
If I could match that up...
681
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:21,395
- Hey, Ross, did you find anything?
- Oh, yeah, everything except blood.
682
01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:26,304
This is the filthiest mess of clothes I've
seen. It should be cleaned, then burned.
683
01:02:26,476 --> 01:02:28,535
- What time you got?
-3:30.
684
01:02:28,711 --> 01:02:33,614
- Already? You sure about that thing?
- Within a minute, you could bet on it.
685
01:02:33,783 --> 01:02:38,982
It gets dark early up here.
I think we should start back.
686
01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:44,352
Independence, California,
November 21, 1969.
687
01:02:52,802 --> 01:02:57,933
Lisa Armbruster, 25, also known as Richie.
Married name, Mrs. Charles Nicholas.
688
01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:04,239
Cindy Jane Orelia, 21, also known as
Freckles, also known as Martha Ellen Fry.
689
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:15,053
Excuse me, girls.
I've been looking for you.
690
01:03:15,224 --> 01:03:17,954
Aren't you Cindy and Lisa?
691
01:03:19,428 --> 01:03:24,422
- I'm Vincent Bugliosi.
- Oh, the DA from L.A.?
692
01:03:25,134 --> 01:03:27,659
Did you enjoy your trip to the ranch?
693
01:03:27,837 --> 01:03:32,501
We visited Charlie in the jailhouse.
He told us you were there.
694
01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:36,509
Well, how'd you girls like to have
a little chat with me this afternoon?
695
01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:40,772
Sure, if you'll buy us some candy.
696
01:03:46,589 --> 01:03:51,526
You two are the first actual members of the
Manson Family I've had a chance to talk to.
697
01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:56,521
- You seem very happy.
- We are.
698
01:03:56,699 --> 01:04:01,102
- Mr. Fowles has a very nice office.
- Are you always this happy?
699
01:04:02,371 --> 01:04:05,135
- What's the secret?
- We found the truth.
700
01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:08,743
- What's the truth?
- Charlie is love.
701
01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:12,707
Charlie is love. Is that it?
702
01:04:12,882 --> 01:04:17,410
- How do you mean, the male-female sense?
- Well, that's it, but that's only a part.
703
01:04:17,587 --> 01:04:21,489
- Love is love. You can't define it.
- Did Charlie teach you that?
704
01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:27,758
Charlie taught us to look at ourselves
and see the love within.
705
01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:36,831
When you accompanied Charlie
up to Barker Ranch in that bus...
706
01:04:37,006 --> 01:04:40,066
...how did he get it over the washouts?
- He flew it.
707
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:42,134
You mean-?
708
01:04:42,578 --> 01:04:46,241
You actually believe Charlie made
the bus fly over the washouts?
709
01:04:47,583 --> 01:04:49,483
Oh, we were there.
710
01:04:50,486 --> 01:04:52,750
Do you believe he's Jesus Christ?
711
01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:03,890
When you were at Spahn Ranch,
Charlie assigned you to keep house...
712
01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:08,093
...for George Spahn. Is that right?
- Yes. I love George.
713
01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,240
Is your love for Charlie different
than for George Spahn?
714
01:05:11,407 --> 01:05:14,205
No. Love is love.
715
01:05:14,377 --> 01:05:16,743
Come on.
George Spahn is over 80 years old.
716
01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:22,315
I'm in love with George. If he asked
me to marry him, I would.
717
01:05:22,485 --> 01:05:26,012
He's a beautiful person inside.
718
01:05:26,455 --> 01:05:28,685
And he's a good lover too.
719
01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,894
Actually, I'm not very interested
in your sex life, Cindy.
720
01:05:33,262 --> 01:05:36,288
What I am very, very interested in
is what you may know...
721
01:05:36,465 --> 01:05:39,457
...about the Tate, Hinman,
LaBianca and other murders.
722
01:05:39,635 --> 01:05:46,063
- We don't know anything about any crimes.
- All we know or care about is love.
723
01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:49,343
I see.
724
01:05:49,512 --> 01:05:54,415
Well, do you mind telling me where you two
were on the nights of August 8 and 9?
725
01:05:54,583 --> 01:05:57,677
There's no such thing as time.
726
01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:00,847
There's only love.
727
01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:16,000
Okay, Charlie, let's get going.
Gate's open. Unlocked.
728
01:06:18,541 --> 01:06:20,168
Gate open.
729
01:06:24,246 --> 01:06:26,806
Okay, Charlie. Let's go.
730
01:06:28,684 --> 01:06:34,213
Charlie, tell me, what is it you got against
these earthmoving machines anyhow?
731
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:37,553
That's the pigs ripping off nature, man.
732
01:06:37,727 --> 01:06:40,855
Is that a fact?
Well, let's go. Come on.
733
01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:07,345
Three months after
the Tate-LaBianca murders...
734
01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,686
...Manson is arraigned at the
Inyo-Kern County courthouse...
735
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:14,091
...for the destruction of the county's
earthmoving equipment.
736
01:07:16,766 --> 01:07:22,227
I understand Manson's going to plead
not guilty to setting fire to that machine.
737
01:07:22,405 --> 01:07:25,568
- He'll get bail.
- Ask for as high a bail as possible.
738
01:07:25,741 --> 01:07:28,869
You can hold him till I'm ready
for the grand jury in L.A.
739
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,842
Okay.
740
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:39,486
Five deputies for me? What do you
gentlemen do when you get a real baddy?
741
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:50,695
- That's Jesus Christ.
- What'd you do with his disciples?
742
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:54,266
They sound alike, say the same
thing, nobody tells me anything.
743
01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:59,636
That's telling me something. Manson
is exercising domination over these girls.
744
01:08:01,944 --> 01:08:05,004
The way we can get them to talk
is to bring them to L.A...
745
01:08:05,181 --> 01:08:07,775
...away from him,
and question them separately.
746
01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:13,149
The wandering troubadour act of his. It's
part of a con to get us to underestimate him.
747
01:08:13,489 --> 01:08:16,788
If he looks like he's gonna
make bail, give me a call in L.A.
748
01:08:16,959 --> 01:08:18,517
Okay.
749
01:08:32,308 --> 01:08:37,405
The Manson girls are transferred from
Independence to L.A. County jurisdiction.
750
01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:58,565
Pigs, bye-bye.
751
01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:18,579
I've talked to the girls, Danny, and I
believe Manson had enough domination...
752
01:09:18,754 --> 01:09:22,588
...to send them to do anything.
- Not just the girls. Clem, Tex, Bobby-
753
01:09:22,758 --> 01:09:28,162
Why? Why would he send them to kill
Sharon Tate and everybody in that house?
754
01:09:28,364 --> 01:09:31,527
They didn't go there to rob them.
They didn't take anything.
755
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:36,694
See, Charlie taught the Family
that pigs just deserve to die.
756
01:09:36,906 --> 01:09:38,931
I mean, that's all they were good for.
757
01:09:39,108 --> 01:09:43,442
He wanted to kill the pigs, blame it
on the niggers and start a race war.
758
01:09:43,612 --> 01:09:45,705
Why a race war?
759
01:09:47,316 --> 01:09:48,840
Well...
760
01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:54,088
...Charlie was always preaching
that the karma was turning, you know?
761
01:09:54,256 --> 01:09:56,986
And it was blackies
turn to be on top.
762
01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:01,425
- But why?
- I don't know. That's just what he said.
763
01:10:02,264 --> 01:10:04,789
Who did he call pigs?
764
01:10:05,801 --> 01:10:07,166
The establishment.
765
01:10:08,737 --> 01:10:12,195
Pigs. They use that word a lot,
don't they?
766
01:10:13,943 --> 01:10:15,740
That's right.
767
01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:18,107
All the time.
768
01:10:18,614 --> 01:10:21,276
Well, if the other girls
talked like you say, fine.
769
01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:24,853
More power to you.
Why do you need me?
770
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:28,979
Leslie Van Houten is interrogated by
Sergeant O'Neal of homicide, L.A.P.D.
771
01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:31,820
I wanna know who was involved.
772
01:10:32,361 --> 01:10:35,057
I wanna know how it went down,
all the details.
773
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,689
I said I'd talk about it
if I changed my mind.
774
01:10:38,867 --> 01:10:41,199
I haven't changed my mind yet.
775
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,634
You're gonna have
to talk about it someday.
776
01:10:43,806 --> 01:10:46,866
Maybe, but not today.
777
01:10:47,042 --> 01:10:52,207
Hey, how did you
ever trace it back to Spahn?
778
01:10:53,282 --> 01:10:55,910
Who did you see leave
the night of August 8?
779
01:10:56,085 --> 01:11:01,717
I went to bed early that night.
Really, I don't want to talk about it.
780
01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:08,156
- Why are you trying to protect them?
- I don't need to protect nobody.
781
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:11,197
You couldn't meet
a nicer bunch of people.
782
01:11:11,367 --> 01:11:14,336
The Family's no more, Leslie.
Charlie's in jail.
783
01:11:14,503 --> 01:11:16,095
- Not for long.
- Clem's in jail.
784
01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:18,672
Boots killed himself
playing Russian roulette.
785
01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,365
Boots dead?
786
01:11:20,976 --> 01:11:23,968
Playing Russian roulette? How?
Who else was there?
787
01:11:24,146 --> 01:11:26,273
- Cisco Budge.
- Was Cisco playing too?
788
01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:27,779
No.
789
01:11:29,084 --> 01:11:32,212
Boots was playing
Russian roulette all by himself.
790
01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:34,656
Kind of odd, isn't it?
791
01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,285
Yeah, it's odd.
792
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:40,656
Leslie...
793
01:11:40,829 --> 01:11:45,027
...we know that five people went to the
Tate residence. Three girls and two men.
794
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,997
We know that one was Charles.
795
01:11:47,202 --> 01:11:50,228
I don't think Charlie
was in on any of them.
796
01:11:50,406 --> 01:11:54,137
There were only four people went
up there and three of them were girls.
797
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:57,211
I heard one girl didn't murder
anyone while they was-
798
01:11:57,379 --> 01:12:00,109
- They were up there.
- No? Who was that?
799
01:12:00,582 --> 01:12:02,140
Girl by the name of Linda.
800
01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:03,649
- Linda who?
- I don't know.
801
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:07,050
- Who told you she was there?
- I don't remember!
802
01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:12,155
I don't remember who told me little details.
803
01:12:13,228 --> 01:12:18,962
Susan Atkins told 15 people in the jailhouse
she was there and that she took part in it.
804
01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:21,466
That's incredible.
805
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:26,539
Didn't she mention anyone else?
806
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:30,110
- Charlie and Katie.
- Not Charlie. Charles.
807
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:33,009
He's Tex. Tex Watson.
808
01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:39,644
- She mentioned Tex and Katie?
- That's right.
809
01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:43,357
That's pretty nauseating.
810
01:12:47,162 --> 01:12:51,656
She said that Katie was there. Now,
I know that Katie's Patricia Krenwinkel.
811
01:12:51,867 --> 01:12:55,166
And you know that Katie's
Patricia Krenwinkel.
812
01:12:57,973 --> 01:13:01,067
She said she went out the next night
and killed two people.
813
01:13:01,477 --> 01:13:03,638
Sadie said that?
814
01:13:05,214 --> 01:13:08,206
I'm not saying another word.
Nothing!
815
01:13:09,818 --> 01:13:12,946
Leslie, when you help me,
you're helping yourself.
816
01:13:13,756 --> 01:13:18,318
If Boots was found playing Russian roulette,
I could be found playing Russian roulette.
817
01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:24,457
- We'll give you 24-hour protection.
- Oh, that would really be nice.
818
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,264
I'd rather stay in jail.
819
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:39,643
Based on inadvertent bits of information
leaked by Leslie Van Houten and others...
820
01:13:39,815 --> 01:13:44,946
...and interviews with detectives, L.A.P.D.
issues warrants for arrests of three persons.
821
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,884
That's right, sheriff,
Charles Denton Watson.
822
01:13:48,056 --> 01:13:52,356
Male Caucasian, 6-feet-2,
160 pounds...
823
01:13:52,528 --> 01:13:57,227
...slim build, ruddy complexion,
born December 2, 1945.
824
01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:59,367
-5-foot-3.
-187 P.C. Murder.
825
01:14:02,738 --> 01:14:07,675
22 years old, brown hair, blue eyes.
That's correct, sir.
826
01:14:07,843 --> 01:14:11,677
Krenwinkel, Patricia. 187 P.C.
827
01:14:11,847 --> 01:14:17,376
Linda Kasabian, age 20, no physical
description, present address unknown.
828
01:14:17,553 --> 01:14:19,714
- Hi, Vince.
- How you doing?
829
01:14:20,355 --> 01:14:23,153
Talked to Sheriff Ansel
in Watson's hometown in Texas.
830
01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:25,623
Watson's there.
Sheriff's gonna pick him up.
831
01:14:25,794 --> 01:14:29,890
Ansel, Ansel. Watson used that name.
He's using his hometown sheriff's name?
832
01:14:30,065 --> 01:14:32,863
- Second cousins.
- I smell extradition problems.
833
01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:34,434
- Maybe good news.
- What?
834
01:14:34,603 --> 01:14:38,869
Watson was busted on a drug charge
in Van Nuys on April 23 and fingerprinted.
835
01:14:39,041 --> 01:14:42,704
I sent the fingerprints down
to latent print section on rush order.
836
01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:45,574
- You come up with anything?
- We're working on it.
837
01:14:45,747 --> 01:14:48,238
When we find it, we'll give it to you.
838
01:14:51,386 --> 01:14:52,785
Right.
839
01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,221
Thank you.
840
01:14:57,759 --> 01:14:59,784
Print on Watson's right ring finger...
841
01:14:59,962 --> 01:15:03,523
...matches the latent thumb
on the front door to the Tate residence.
842
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:11,662
I'll buy you a cup of coffee. That's
the first piece of physical evidence...
843
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,638
...connecting any of the suspects
to the crime scene.
844
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:18,143
- What about Manson?
- Not one of the five girls will discuss him.
845
01:15:18,313 --> 01:15:22,113
- Not even Van Houten.
- So the big fish is still out of the net.
846
01:15:22,284 --> 01:15:26,414
- The only shot we have is Atkins, Vince.
- Immunity for the little monster.
847
01:15:26,588 --> 01:15:31,116
- We don't have much choice.
- A minute ago I was happy, now I'm down.
848
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,751
No matter who we convict,
if Charlie and Sadie go free, we failed.
849
01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:39,299
Partial failure, maybe.
Partial isn't as bad as total failure.
850
01:15:39,668 --> 01:15:43,695
Somehow judging my life by the size
of my failures doesn't really grab me.
851
01:15:45,841 --> 01:15:48,901
Concord, NH. Three months,
two weeks after the slayings...
852
01:15:49,077 --> 01:15:53,309
...Linda Kasabian, hearing that a warrant
is out for her, surrenders to police.
853
01:15:56,785 --> 01:15:58,150
In McKinney, Texas...
854
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,347
...Sergeant Phil Cohen telephones
his report to L.A.P.D.
855
01:16:03,692 --> 01:16:09,255
The sheriff, Ansel, won't let us talk
to Watson or even take his fingerprints.
856
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,167
I don't know.
857
01:16:13,335 --> 01:16:17,203
We're not gonna get much cooperation
from these good old boys down here...
858
01:16:17,372 --> 01:16:20,136
...as far as getting Watson
to L.A. To stand trial.
859
01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:25,971
Listen. Before we go in, Dennis,
let's check signals.
860
01:16:26,148 --> 01:16:27,945
I want this to be a short meeting.
861
01:16:28,116 --> 01:16:30,914
This is to confirm with the DA
what we've discussed.
862
01:16:31,086 --> 01:16:34,453
The best deal that we can give Susan
is if she cooperates...
863
01:16:34,623 --> 01:16:39,583
...and testifies truthfully before the jury
about the Hinman, Tate, LaBianca cases...
864
01:16:39,761 --> 01:16:44,494
...then we will not seek the death penalty
against her in those cases, okay?
865
01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:49,296
You won't use her testimony against her
or her codefendants at the trial.
866
01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:52,372
- We're getting the short end.
- She's all we've got.
867
01:16:52,541 --> 01:16:56,204
At least we'll get indictments.
I don't want a lot of renegotiation...
868
01:16:56,378 --> 01:16:58,676
...to start after we get in Younger's office.
- I'm with you.
869
01:16:58,847 --> 01:17:00,974
- He knows how lucky he is.
- Aaron, Vince!
870
01:17:01,149 --> 01:17:04,084
- Lieutenant, you know Dennis?
- I've seen him around.
871
01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,050
- Could I speak to you alone?
- I'll meet you inside.
872
01:17:07,222 --> 01:17:09,053
Right. Right, guy.
873
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:12,589
We got an exemplar
of Krenwinkel's prints from Mobile.
874
01:17:12,761 --> 01:17:15,252
The print of the little finger
on her left hand...
875
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:19,093
...matches a latent that Gerebone lifted
off a door in Tate's bedroom.
876
01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:21,167
- You do good work.
- Most of the time.
877
01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:24,169
- Who's your friend?
- It's great having physical evidence...
878
01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:27,797
...but I've gotta have the 22 Buntline
and a case against Manson.
879
01:17:36,918 --> 01:17:40,786
Now you know that the grand jury
proceedings are secret...
880
01:17:43,025 --> 01:17:45,687
Thank you very much, gentlemen!
Thank you.
881
01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:56,198
- Where did you first meet Charlie?
- I was living in his house in Haight-Ashbury.
882
01:17:56,371 --> 01:18:00,068
Were there other young men and
women living in that house with you?
883
01:18:00,242 --> 01:18:01,869
Oh, sure.
884
01:18:02,044 --> 01:18:06,276
Would it be fair and accurate to say
that as a group you were into drugs?
885
01:18:06,448 --> 01:18:08,916
Sure, that would be accurate.
886
01:18:09,084 --> 01:18:12,281
- Shall I get back to Charlie?
- Yes, go ahead, please.
887
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,754
Charlie's looking at us right now,
and he can hear everything we're saying.
888
01:18:17,926 --> 01:18:20,588
Susan, Charlie is up
in Independence, in jail.
889
01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,160
You're not capable of understanding.
890
01:18:26,501 --> 01:18:28,401
Well...
891
01:18:29,271 --> 01:18:32,707
...I was sitting in the living room,
this is about two years ago...
892
01:18:33,075 --> 01:18:36,374
...and a man walked in,
and he had a guitar with him.
893
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:40,675
And all of a sudden he was surrounded
by girls, and he started to sing.
894
01:18:40,849 --> 01:18:42,942
He sounded like an angel.
895
01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:46,485
- You are referring to Charles Manson?
- Yes.
896
01:18:47,656 --> 01:18:50,750
A couple of days later,
he asked me to go for a walk...
897
01:18:50,926 --> 01:18:54,828
...and we walked a couple
of blocks to another house...
898
01:18:54,996 --> 01:18:57,692
...and he told me he wanted
to make love with me.
899
01:18:57,866 --> 01:19:01,495
I acknowledged the fact
that I wanted to make love with him.
900
01:19:01,670 --> 01:19:05,800
And when I had all my clothes off,
he told me...
901
01:19:05,974 --> 01:19:09,466
...to go over to the mirror
and look at myself.
902
01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:16,178
I didn't wanna do it, but he took me
by the hand and made me do it.
903
01:19:17,753 --> 01:19:21,655
And he said,
"Go ahead and look at yourself.
904
01:19:21,823 --> 01:19:25,691
There's nothing wrong with you.
You're perfect.
905
01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:28,227
You always have been perfect. "
906
01:19:29,297 --> 01:19:34,291
- Did you have sexual intercourse with him?
- Yes.
907
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:37,229
Was there any limit to what
you would do for him?
908
01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,965
- No.
- Did you steal for him?
909
01:19:41,877 --> 01:19:47,474
For him? Well, I stole. We all stole.
Credit cards, cars, other things.
910
01:19:47,716 --> 01:19:50,742
Did Charlie Manson
ask you to steal for him?
911
01:19:50,919 --> 01:19:55,481
No, I took it upon myself.
I was...
912
01:19:55,657 --> 01:19:59,252
- We get programmed.
- Programmed by Charlie?
913
01:20:00,328 --> 01:20:02,990
By Charlie, but...
914
01:20:04,299 --> 01:20:07,166
It's hard for me to explain it so that...
915
01:20:07,335 --> 01:20:12,568
...you can see the way-
The way I see.
916
01:20:12,741 --> 01:20:18,077
The words that would come from Charlie's
mouth would not come from inside him.
917
01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:22,307
They would come from-
From what I call the infinite.
918
01:20:23,151 --> 01:20:27,212
- The infinite?
- Yes. The infinite.
919
01:20:38,033 --> 01:20:44,268
On the eighth of August, did Charlie
instruct you and other members to do anything?
920
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,637
Well, I never recall getting any actual
instructions from Charlie, other than...
921
01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:55,010
...getting a change of clothing and a knife
and was told to do what Tex told me to do.
922
01:20:55,183 --> 01:20:58,277
Did he tell you the type
of clothing you should take?
923
01:20:58,453 --> 01:21:01,047
He said to wear dark clothes.
924
01:21:01,489 --> 01:21:03,650
And who went with you that night?
925
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,286
Katie, Tex and Linda.
926
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,693
And Tex said we were going to a house
that used to belong to Terry Melcher.
927
01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:20,171
The only reason we were going there was
because Tex knew the outline of the house.
928
01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:24,108
Did Tex tell you why you were going
to Terry Melcher's former residence?
929
01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:27,248
To get all the money
and kill whoever was there.
930
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,883
Didn't make any difference who.
You were told to kill them all?
931
01:21:32,053 --> 01:21:33,520
Yes.
932
01:21:33,688 --> 01:21:37,522
- Did all of you girls enter at the same time?
- Only two of us entered.
933
01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:40,490
- One stayed outside.
- And who stayed outside?
934
01:21:40,662 --> 01:21:42,789
Linda Kasabian.
935
01:21:47,035 --> 01:21:51,904
And Frykowski ran for the front door,
yelling for somebody to come and help him.
936
01:21:52,073 --> 01:21:56,567
When he did, Tex got to him and started
hitting him over the head with the gun butt.
937
01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,237
When the gun butt broke,
he started stabbing him.
938
01:22:01,383 --> 01:22:03,283
Well...
939
01:22:03,451 --> 01:22:08,821
...when I came out of the house, I saw
Tex stabbing Abigail Folger three or...
940
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:11,356
I don't know how many times.
941
01:22:11,526 --> 01:22:15,121
Katie and I were looking for Linda
because she wasn't around.
942
01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:19,200
Then Tex went over to where
the other man was on the lawn.
943
01:22:19,567 --> 01:22:21,501
- Frykowski?
- Yes.
944
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:23,861
And Tex kicked him in the head...
945
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:28,203
...and the body didn't move very much,
and I believe it was dead at the time.
946
01:22:31,212 --> 01:22:33,806
We have a juror who
would like to be excused...
947
01:22:33,982 --> 01:22:37,383
...for just a couple of minutes.
948
01:22:51,833 --> 01:22:54,927
And then Tex told me
to go back in the house...
949
01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:57,503
...and write something
in the victim's blood.
950
01:22:57,672 --> 01:23:00,641
"Something that would shock
the world," he said.
951
01:23:01,643 --> 01:23:05,773
Well, I'd previously been involved
in something similar to this...
952
01:23:05,947 --> 01:23:08,939
...where I saw "political piggy"
written on the wall.
953
01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:11,551
So that stuck very heavily in my mind.
954
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,148
So I went back in the house and walked
over to Sharon Tate, and I heard sounds.
955
01:23:19,861 --> 01:23:22,022
What kind of sounds were they?
956
01:23:22,764 --> 01:23:27,064
Gurgling sounds, like blood flowing
into the body out of the heart.
957
01:23:28,036 --> 01:23:29,936
What did you do then?
958
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:36,302
I picked up the towel,
turned my head and touched her chest...
959
01:23:36,478 --> 01:23:41,211
...and at the same time,
I saw that she was pregnant.
960
01:23:41,383 --> 01:23:47,686
And I knew that there was a living
being inside of that body, and I wanted to...
961
01:23:47,856 --> 01:23:51,383
...but I didn't have the courage
to go ahead and take it.
962
01:23:54,896 --> 01:23:58,195
I took the towel
with Sharon Tate's blood...
963
01:23:58,366 --> 01:24:03,702
...walked over to the door,
and with the towel wrote "pig" on the door.
964
01:24:09,878 --> 01:24:14,372
And when we got back to the ranch,
Charlie was waiting for us.
965
01:24:14,549 --> 01:24:18,007
He wanted to know
what we were doing home so early.
966
01:24:18,186 --> 01:24:21,678
Tex told him basically
what we had done. He said:
967
01:24:21,856 --> 01:24:25,257
"It all happened fast
and there was a lot of panic. "
968
01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:32,163
He said, "Boy, it sure was
helter skelter. " And then...
969
01:24:32,934 --> 01:24:36,597
...I wiped the car down for blood,
and I went to bed.
970
01:24:36,771 --> 01:24:39,638
I made love to someone.
971
01:24:39,808 --> 01:24:45,576
Clem, I think. I'm not sure.
Maybe I imagined it.
972
01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:53,678
Now we come to the second night,
the night of August the ninth.
973
01:24:54,689 --> 01:24:57,920
Well, that evening Charlie told me again...
974
01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:02,496
...to go ahead and get an extra set
of clothing, and I looked at him...
975
01:25:02,664 --> 01:25:04,791
...and I knew what he wanted me to do.
976
01:25:04,966 --> 01:25:08,561
And I gave a sort of sigh and went
and did what he asked me to do.
977
01:25:09,003 --> 01:25:10,698
Who went with you that night?
978
01:25:10,972 --> 01:25:13,839
Charlie and Katie and Tex
and Linda and-
979
01:25:14,008 --> 01:25:17,375
- Charlie went with you that night?
- He was in the car, yes.
980
01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:19,536
- Who else?
- And Leslie.
981
01:25:19,714 --> 01:25:21,705
- Leslie Van Houten?
- Yes.
982
01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:31,324
And then Katie said the woman heard her
husband being killed and started to scream:
983
01:25:31,493 --> 01:25:34,053
"What are you doing to my husband?"
984
01:25:36,064 --> 01:25:39,591
And then Katie said that she
then proceeded to stab the woman.
985
01:25:40,101 --> 01:25:42,331
Katie told you this the next morning?
986
01:25:43,037 --> 01:25:47,371
Like I said, Charlie and Linda and I drove
off after they went into the house.
987
01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:50,678
Leslie was helping Katie
hold the woman down.
988
01:25:50,879 --> 01:25:52,176
Rosemary LaBianca?
989
01:25:52,347 --> 01:25:55,942
We found out later
it was Rosemary LaBianca.
990
01:25:56,951 --> 01:26:00,751
Leslie was helping Katie hold the woman
down because she was fighting...
991
01:26:00,922 --> 01:26:03,083
...all the way up until she died.
992
01:26:04,058 --> 01:26:07,755
Then Katie said she went
in the living room with a fork in her hand...
993
01:26:07,929 --> 01:26:11,524
...looked at the man's stomach,
put the fork in his stomach...
994
01:26:11,699 --> 01:26:14,862
...and watched it wobble back and forth.
995
01:26:17,405 --> 01:26:19,999
She said she carved
the word "war" on his stomach.
996
01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:22,769
Then did Katie, Tex
and Leslie leave the house?
997
01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:27,038
No. First they wrote
some stuff in blood.
998
01:26:27,215 --> 01:26:31,914
"Death to all pigs," I think,
and "Helter Skelter" and "arise. "
999
01:26:32,086 --> 01:26:35,988
Then they took a shower, went in the
kitchen and made something to eat.
1000
01:26:36,591 --> 01:26:40,823
Susan, what do the words "pig" and "Helter
Skelter" mean to you and your Family?
1001
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:45,895
"Pig" was a word used
to describe the establishment.
1002
01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:49,935
But you must understand that
all words had no meaning to us.
1003
01:26:50,104 --> 01:26:54,268
- And "Helter Skelter" was explained to me.
- By whom?
1004
01:26:54,442 --> 01:26:55,704
Charlie.
1005
01:26:57,111 --> 01:27:02,811
I don't like to say Charlie. I'd like
to say the words came from his mouth...
1006
01:27:02,984 --> 01:27:07,114
...that Helter Skelter was to be
the last war on the face of the Earth.
1007
01:27:07,288 --> 01:27:13,557
It would be all wars that had been fought
built one on top of the other, something...
1008
01:27:13,728 --> 01:27:17,630
...no man can conceive
in his imagination.
1009
01:27:26,174 --> 01:27:31,874
You can't conceive of what it would be like
to see every man judge himself...
1010
01:27:32,046 --> 01:27:36,745
...and then take it out on every other man
all over the face of the Earth.
1011
01:28:09,183 --> 01:28:12,277
Sunday, December 14, 1969.
1012
01:28:12,453 --> 01:28:14,751
Four months after the murders took place...
1013
01:28:14,922 --> 01:28:18,153
...the world begins to read
Susan Atkins' story of the murders.
1014
01:28:21,663 --> 01:28:25,224
Hey, Charlie. Hear what happened?
1015
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,632
Your little tootsie sold her story
to the newspapers. It's all in there.
1016
01:28:29,804 --> 01:28:34,332
How you done it. How they
done it, all on your orders.
1017
01:28:34,876 --> 01:28:37,071
Think you're a big deal, don't you?
1018
01:28:37,245 --> 01:28:41,682
Well, I wanna tell you,
your butt is in a sling.
1019
01:28:42,917 --> 01:28:47,911
Know what they're gonna do to you?
They're gonna walk you the long walk.
1020
01:28:48,623 --> 01:28:51,251
They're gonna drop the pill on you, Charlie.
1021
01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:55,992
What do you think of that, huh? Huh?
1022
01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:11,270
It's the same story she gave the grand jury.
1023
01:29:11,646 --> 01:29:15,138
Can't use that. Can't use this.
1024
01:29:15,316 --> 01:29:18,649
They'll claim a fair trial's impossible.
Too much publicity.
1025
01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:22,153
It's gonna be hard finding
jurors that haven't heard about this.
1026
01:29:22,323 --> 01:29:24,621
This just makes a tough trial tougher.
1027
01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:29,419
Susan's lawyer swears the sale was made
only for European publication.
1028
01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:32,791
He has no idea how The Times
got ahold of the story.
1029
01:29:32,967 --> 01:29:34,434
Just a fortunate accident.
1030
01:29:34,602 --> 01:29:38,698
The Los Angeles County grand jury
hands down the following indictments:
1031
01:29:38,873 --> 01:29:41,603
Leslie Van Houten,
in custody in Los Angeles...
1032
01:29:41,776 --> 01:29:45,712
...two counts of murder and one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1033
01:29:46,247 --> 01:29:49,705
Susan Atkins, in custody in Los
Angeles, seven counts of murder...
1034
01:29:49,884 --> 01:29:52,409
...and one count of conspiracy
to commit murder.
1035
01:29:53,454 --> 01:29:56,355
Charles Tex Watson,
in custody in McKinney, Texas...
1036
01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:59,982
...seven counts of murder, one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1037
01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:04,359
Patricia Katie Krenwinkel,
in custody in Mobile, Alabama...
1038
01:30:04,532 --> 01:30:08,525
...seven counts of murder and one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1039
01:30:14,075 --> 01:30:16,339
Linda Kasabian,
in custody in Los Angeles...
1040
01:30:16,511 --> 01:30:19,639
...seven counts of murder,
one of conspiracy to commit murder.
1041
01:30:21,549 --> 01:30:24,518
Charles Manson,
in custody in Independence, California...
1042
01:30:24,685 --> 01:30:29,019
...seven counts of murder and one count
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1043
01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:37,563
- Hi, Manny.
- Hey, Vince.
1044
01:30:37,732 --> 01:30:42,465
You're not supposed to be walking alone.
You're on Manson's death list.
1045
01:30:42,637 --> 01:30:44,229
Oh, wonderful.
1046
01:30:44,505 --> 01:30:47,599
Glad you came.
I'm doing the arraignments in four minutes.
1047
01:30:47,775 --> 01:30:50,573
Phil and I brought Charlie
from Independence today-
1048
01:30:50,644 --> 01:30:54,307
You sneaked him in, didn't you?
I don't want him talking to the girls.
1049
01:30:54,481 --> 01:30:56,745
The girls don't even know he's here.
1050
01:30:56,917 --> 01:30:59,477
Good. All I have to do
is get a case against him.
1051
01:30:59,653 --> 01:31:01,780
Don't worry, you'll nail the bastard.
1052
01:31:01,955 --> 01:31:04,048
You better come up
with some big nails.
1053
01:31:04,224 --> 01:31:07,091
Right now I've got an indictment.
That's all I've got.
1054
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:11,060
This little Sadie will exercise her right
not to testify at the trial...
1055
01:31:11,231 --> 01:31:14,200
...and since it's all I got,
I'm finished before I start.
1056
01:31:14,368 --> 01:31:17,531
Can't use her testimony
against her or her codefendants.
1057
01:31:17,704 --> 01:31:19,968
We'll find something for you, Vince.
1058
01:31:44,364 --> 01:31:49,734
Hurry. With what we've got now, the
judge will throw the case out before trial.
1059
01:32:09,923 --> 01:32:12,858
Krenwinkel's fighting extradition.
1060
01:32:14,227 --> 01:32:16,593
I grant the continuance.
1061
01:32:27,507 --> 01:32:32,069
Mr. Bugliosi, Charlie's very close.
1062
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,003
He's sending vibes.
1063
01:32:34,181 --> 01:32:37,014
You better believe Charlie's
got power, Mr. Bugliosi.
1064
01:32:37,184 --> 01:32:41,644
Once in the desert he picked up a dead bird
and breathed on it, and it flew away.
1065
01:32:48,762 --> 01:32:50,627
Can you believe it?
1066
01:32:50,797 --> 01:32:53,129
The girls are separated
so they can't talk...
1067
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:57,498
...Manson's brought here in maximum
secrecy and still they found out he's here.
1068
01:32:57,671 --> 01:33:00,139
Jailhouse scuttlebutt
cuts through anything.
1069
01:33:00,307 --> 01:33:03,640
Yeah, they'd love us to think
they find out by Manson's magic.
1070
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:05,402
Wanna hear a joke?
1071
01:33:05,579 --> 01:33:09,208
Del Arnold, Watson's lawyer,
is the son of Oscar Arnold.
1072
01:33:09,382 --> 01:33:12,977
Who's Oscar Arnold? He's the
campaign manager for the candidate...
1073
01:33:13,153 --> 01:33:15,587
...who's running for Attorney General
of Texas.
1074
01:33:15,755 --> 01:33:19,691
Who's the candidate?
Why, Judge Anthony Milo, that's who.
1075
01:33:19,860 --> 01:33:24,024
Who's Anthony Milo? He's the judge who
hears our request to extradite Watson...
1076
01:33:24,197 --> 01:33:26,722
...so we can try him
on seven counts of murder...
1077
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:31,701
...and who grants delay after delay to the
client of the son of his campaign manager.
1078
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,375
Although he wouldn't allow personal
considerations to get in justice's way.
1079
01:33:36,543 --> 01:33:38,443
After all,
he's a good old boy from Texas.
1080
01:33:38,612 --> 01:33:42,139
I hadn't thought of it that way.
I forgot. I got a meeting.
1081
01:33:42,315 --> 01:33:46,411
That's funny. That hasn't happened before.
My watch stopped.
1082
01:34:08,675 --> 01:34:12,406
Charles Manson, under indictment
for the seven Tate-LaBianca murders...
1083
01:34:12,579 --> 01:34:16,379
...is to be tried with codefendants
Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel...
1084
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:18,814
...Leslie Van Houten
and Charles Tex Watson.
1085
01:34:19,185 --> 01:34:23,144
The California Penal Code provides
that if at the end of the people's case...
1086
01:34:23,323 --> 01:34:27,020
...the court feels the prosecution failed
to put enough evidence to sustain...
1087
01:34:27,193 --> 01:34:31,061
...a conviction on appeal, the judge
is empowered to acquit the defendant.
1088
01:34:31,231 --> 01:34:34,359
The consensus in the legal community
now is that Manson...
1089
01:34:34,534 --> 01:34:39,164
...who has boasted of 35 murders
will soon be a free man.
1090
01:34:43,643 --> 01:34:46,908
Four months and one week after
the slaughter of the victims...
1091
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,811
...an event takes place that still
embarrasses the L.A. Police Department.
1092
01:34:50,984 --> 01:34:53,782
"Started the car
and Tex told her to get over.
1093
01:34:53,954 --> 01:34:57,947
We all got into the car and there was
nothing but just blood and exhaustion.
1094
01:34:58,124 --> 01:35:01,582
We had blood on us, so we changed
our clothes as we were driving.
1095
01:35:01,761 --> 01:35:05,527
We went for a ride to look for a place
to dump the bloody black clothes.
1096
01:35:05,699 --> 01:35:07,758
We drove along a steep embankment.
1097
01:35:07,934 --> 01:35:12,496
I got a picture in my mind and all it shows
me is the side of a mountain and a road. "
1098
01:35:12,672 --> 01:35:15,197
Then they had to turn right
off Elysium Drive.
1099
01:35:15,375 --> 01:35:18,071
There's none of that stuff
heading to Beverly Hills.
1100
01:35:18,244 --> 01:35:20,838
"We stopped, Linda got out,
I'm sure of that...
1101
01:35:21,014 --> 01:35:25,314
...and threw all the clothes drippy with
blood and knives as fast as she could...
1102
01:35:25,485 --> 01:35:29,979
...over the side of the embankment
down a ravine, I guess you'd call it. "
1103
01:35:30,156 --> 01:35:32,454
Okay, let's go.
Start changing your clothes.
1104
01:35:33,059 --> 01:35:38,053
Show this beautiful torso of mine in broad
daylight? Some chick will go over the side.
1105
01:35:48,074 --> 01:35:51,566
Look out for cops. With our luck
we'll get picked up for exposure.
1106
01:35:51,745 --> 01:35:53,269
Maybe.
1107
01:35:53,446 --> 01:35:56,938
- Just keep your eyes on the road.
- Yeah, don't worry about it.
1108
01:36:01,755 --> 01:36:05,213
- How you doing?
- Okay, getting there. Wait a minute.
1109
01:36:05,392 --> 01:36:07,758
- Beautiful pair of legs yourself.
- Yeah.
1110
01:36:07,927 --> 01:36:11,454
Hey, I can see the evening news.
Three guys from ABC picked up...
1111
01:36:11,631 --> 01:36:13,997
...for undressing in a canyon.
1112
01:36:16,569 --> 01:36:20,665
You never know. We'll take a shot at it.
Hey, two cuties at 3:00...
1113
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,502
...coming right behind us.
- You're kidding.
1114
01:36:23,677 --> 01:36:25,201
- They're coming up.
- Are they?
1115
01:36:25,378 --> 01:36:26,970
- Yeah.
- Great, baby.
1116
01:36:27,147 --> 01:36:28,808
- Terrific.
- We're getting there.
1117
01:36:30,784 --> 01:36:32,411
Here they come.
1118
01:36:34,788 --> 01:36:36,312
- Hello, girls.
- How you doing?
1119
01:36:36,489 --> 01:36:38,320
Hi, sweetie.
1120
01:36:40,460 --> 01:36:42,451
Bye-bye.
1121
01:36:49,169 --> 01:36:51,160
- Okay, I'm done.
- You done in the back?
1122
01:36:51,337 --> 01:36:54,363
- I'm done. Yep.
- Okay. All right, finished, right? Okay.
1123
01:36:54,541 --> 01:36:57,009
It's 6 minutes and 20 seconds.
All right.
1124
01:36:57,177 --> 01:37:01,307
The first wide shoulder I come to
in the road, I'm gonna pull over.
1125
01:37:38,685 --> 01:37:42,018
Hey, looks like clothes down there.
1126
01:37:57,737 --> 01:37:59,602
There's a whole wardrobe down here.
1127
01:38:07,046 --> 01:38:09,446
December 16, 1969.
1128
01:38:09,616 --> 01:38:12,813
Four months and one week
after the Tate-LaBianca murders.
1129
01:38:13,052 --> 01:38:14,383
Hello?
1130
01:38:14,554 --> 01:38:16,454
My name is Ben Quint.
1131
01:38:16,623 --> 01:38:21,651
I'm calling about a gun that may be the gun
that was used in the Tate murders.
1132
01:38:21,828 --> 01:38:24,023
You see, my son found-
1133
01:38:24,731 --> 01:38:29,361
Quint. Q-U-I-N-T. Quint.
1134
01:38:30,236 --> 01:38:32,761
My son found a. 22 caliber revolver.
1135
01:38:32,939 --> 01:38:36,966
We turned it over to
the Van Nuys Police and-
1136
01:38:38,344 --> 01:38:42,542
First of September. Labor Day. It was
just two weeks after the Tate murders.
1137
01:38:42,715 --> 01:38:44,410
And-
1138
01:38:45,685 --> 01:38:48,176
What do you mean,
you don't keep guns that long?
1139
01:38:49,088 --> 01:38:52,785
I cannot believe that you would
throw away what might be the single...
1140
01:38:52,959 --> 01:38:57,157
...most important piece of evidence
in the Tate murders. Now, I-
1141
01:38:57,831 --> 01:39:01,733
Yeah, but this was not just any gun.
This was-
1142
01:39:04,804 --> 01:39:06,203
Hello?
1143
01:39:06,873 --> 01:39:08,500
Hello?
1144
01:39:10,577 --> 01:39:12,477
He hung up on me.
1145
01:39:13,079 --> 01:39:14,876
He what?
1146
01:39:22,689 --> 01:39:28,025
Says they haven't got time to check out
every citizen report on every gun they find.
1147
01:39:28,862 --> 01:39:32,320
No wonder nobody feels safe
anywhere in the world.
1148
01:39:32,498 --> 01:39:34,932
I'm gonna call Clete Roberts at Channel 2.
1149
01:39:35,101 --> 01:39:40,334
Maybe a newscaster has the power
to expose this kind of cynicism.
1150
01:40:17,911 --> 01:40:20,709
Take these bullets to the lab,
will you, Sam?
1151
01:40:25,952 --> 01:40:28,443
The one on the left is the test bullet.
1152
01:40:28,621 --> 01:40:32,614
The one on the right was the bullet
taken from Jay Sebring's body.
1153
01:40:32,825 --> 01:40:37,159
Now, there's no doubt that it's the same
one that was fired from the. 22 Buntline.
1154
01:40:37,330 --> 01:40:38,854
Let me take a look.
1155
01:40:46,472 --> 01:40:47,700
That burns me up.
1156
01:40:47,874 --> 01:40:51,674
We could've had it months ago. The
department has its share of incompetence.
1157
01:40:51,844 --> 01:40:54,074
So does the DA's office,
from what I hear.
1158
01:40:54,247 --> 01:40:58,274
Not to mention the United States Senate,
the FBl, the Department of State.
1159
01:40:58,451 --> 01:41:02,285
Hank, do me a favor, please.
Just help me hang this gun on Manson.
1160
01:41:07,293 --> 01:41:09,488
Lawyers play with people.
1161
01:41:09,662 --> 01:41:11,323
And I'm a person.
1162
01:41:11,497 --> 01:41:14,091
And I won't be played with
in this matter.
1163
01:41:14,267 --> 01:41:17,703
Even though they may know
all there is to know about the law...
1164
01:41:17,870 --> 01:41:22,273
...they don't understand
the free-love society of the generation gap.
1165
01:41:22,542 --> 01:41:27,536
And they don't understand people that are
trying to get out from underneath all of this.
1166
01:41:27,847 --> 01:41:32,614
There's not an attorney in the world
who can represent me as a person.
1167
01:41:32,785 --> 01:41:35,185
I have to do it myself.
1168
01:41:35,355 --> 01:41:37,289
Mr. Manson...
1169
01:41:37,457 --> 01:41:40,517
...I've tried my best to convince you...
1170
01:41:40,693 --> 01:41:43,719
...that the complexities in this case...
1171
01:41:43,896 --> 01:41:49,232
...require the best possible
legal minds.
1172
01:41:49,535 --> 01:41:51,799
Why don't you understand that?
1173
01:41:51,971 --> 01:41:56,806
Christmas Eve, 1969. Judge Keene, unable
to convince Manson that he is making...
1174
01:41:56,976 --> 01:42:02,209
...a "sad and tragic mistake" grants him
permission to serve as his own lawyer.
1175
01:42:04,117 --> 01:42:06,551
Watson's attorney told the press
he'll fight...
1176
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:10,280
...to keep his client in Texas
if it means going to the Supreme Court.
1177
01:42:10,456 --> 01:42:13,687
Watson and Krenwinkel.
The only two that are scientifically...
1178
01:42:13,860 --> 01:42:16,021
...connected to the crime.
- Out of reach.
1179
01:42:16,195 --> 01:42:18,959
Temporarily. What if Manson
demands an immediate trial?
1180
01:42:19,132 --> 01:42:23,592
- He's got a right to go within 60 days.
- He'll do it if he finds out we're in trouble.
1181
01:42:23,770 --> 01:42:25,237
No question.
1182
01:42:26,339 --> 01:42:27,806
Hey, Aaron...
1183
01:42:27,974 --> 01:42:29,236
...why don't we bluff?
1184
01:42:29,409 --> 01:42:32,810
If Manson thinks we're in a hurry,
maybe he'll start stalling.
1185
01:42:33,713 --> 01:42:36,944
Worth a try. Let's do it.
You got a lot of toys for the kids?
1186
01:42:37,116 --> 01:42:40,574
- That's Gail's department.
- Merry Christmas, Scrooge.
1187
01:42:40,753 --> 01:42:43,313
Oh, thanks, Santa Claus.
Happy Hanukkah.
1188
01:42:45,158 --> 01:42:47,683
Hey, Santa Claus, it's 2:00.
1189
01:42:47,860 --> 01:42:50,351
How long can you go on working
100 hours a week?
1190
01:42:51,230 --> 01:42:54,529
I just bought myself
a hell of a Christmas present. A motive.
1191
01:42:54,801 --> 01:42:57,497
The kids will be up early.
I'll finish all of this.
1192
01:42:57,670 --> 01:43:01,003
- If you're gonna get any sleep at all-
- These are crazy crimes.
1193
01:43:01,174 --> 01:43:04,632
An ordinary motive won't do.
Robbery, revenge, none of them fit.
1194
01:43:04,811 --> 01:43:08,941
They took a few things, but left more.
Almost as if taking was an afterthought.
1195
01:43:09,115 --> 01:43:12,380
They didn't know them
and had nothing personal against them...
1196
01:43:12,552 --> 01:43:15,783
...except they were pigs,
establishment people whose crime...
1197
01:43:15,955 --> 01:43:18,856
...was working, sleeping in beds,
getting married-
1198
01:43:19,025 --> 01:43:20,287
And taking baths.
1199
01:43:21,794 --> 01:43:25,286
Susan Atkins said that Manson
was trying to ignite Helter Skelter.
1200
01:43:25,465 --> 01:43:28,798
She described it as the final war,
all the wars rolled into one.
1201
01:43:28,968 --> 01:43:32,335
An apocalyptic vision in which
the black man would take over.
1202
01:43:32,505 --> 01:43:35,474
- That's unbelievable.
- Unbelievable, right? Too far out.
1203
01:43:35,641 --> 01:43:38,075
Maybe we just better start
believing it anyhow.
1204
01:43:38,711 --> 01:43:42,807
Five and a half months after the killings,
Judge Dell sits in for Judge Keene.
1205
01:43:42,982 --> 01:43:47,078
I ought to have the same rights
and privileges as any other attorney.
1206
01:43:47,487 --> 01:43:51,514
But I wanna interview Linda Kasabian
and Sadie Mae Glutz...
1207
01:43:51,691 --> 01:43:54,455
...and their attorneys
say that I can't.
1208
01:43:54,627 --> 01:43:56,754
They have a right to do that,
Mr. Manson.
1209
01:43:56,996 --> 01:43:59,464
Well, I got a message from Sadie.
1210
01:43:59,632 --> 01:44:03,568
And she told me the district attorney
made her say what she said.
1211
01:44:04,103 --> 01:44:06,663
That's too nonsensical
to respond to, Your Honor.
1212
01:44:06,839 --> 01:44:11,276
Your Honor, the people are prepared to
go to trial at the earliest possible date.
1213
01:44:14,747 --> 01:44:17,409
I'm not ready, Your Honor.
I need more time.
1214
01:44:23,289 --> 01:44:25,757
Continuance granted to February 9th.
1215
01:44:36,903 --> 01:44:40,395
That's one way to get a message to Sadie.
Tell the press we coerced her.
1216
01:44:40,573 --> 01:44:44,703
It's the next best thing to picking up
the phone and telling her how to recant.
1217
01:44:45,178 --> 01:44:46,907
Hi, guy.
1218
01:44:52,451 --> 01:44:56,182
The exact measurements
of the LaBianca knife wounds. Okay.
1219
01:44:56,355 --> 01:44:57,617
But why?
1220
01:44:57,790 --> 01:45:01,886
I need to prove that some wounds were
made by knives other than the kitchen's.
1221
01:45:02,195 --> 01:45:03,856
I don't get it.
1222
01:45:04,397 --> 01:45:07,093
If the wounds were made by the
LaBianca's knives...
1223
01:45:07,266 --> 01:45:11,259
...the logical inference would be
that they entered the residence unarmed...
1224
01:45:11,437 --> 01:45:14,372
...then killed the LaBianca's
with their kitchen knives.
1225
01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:16,735
Defense counsel could raise
a good point.
1226
01:45:16,909 --> 01:45:20,538
If Manson sent them to kill,
why would he send them unarmed?
1227
01:45:21,247 --> 01:45:24,478
Oh, right. Good thinking, Vince.
1228
01:45:27,787 --> 01:45:30,813
- Hi, Manny.
- Hey, Vince. I just got word that-
1229
01:45:30,990 --> 01:45:32,981
This album's
got all the words on it.
1230
01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:36,526
Yeah, I know. All the stuff
that they wrote on the walls.
1231
01:45:38,364 --> 01:45:39,661
You knew about that?
1232
01:45:39,832 --> 01:45:43,324
Well, sure. I talked to Art and Mark
about it only a week or so...
1233
01:45:43,502 --> 01:45:45,834
...after Tate was killed.
- Give me strength.
1234
01:45:46,005 --> 01:45:48,872
I even put it in the report,
but it seemed so, you know...
1235
01:45:49,041 --> 01:45:51,305
- Weird. Too far out.
- Yeah. Crazy.
1236
01:45:51,477 --> 01:45:53,001
- Unbelievable.
- You said it.
1237
01:45:53,179 --> 01:45:57,616
No, unbelievable how in a crime like this,
everyone looks for conventional clues...
1238
01:45:57,783 --> 01:46:00,445
...instead of crazy ones.
- I got good news for you.
1239
01:46:00,620 --> 01:46:03,418
Lieutenant got word
they're gonna turn Watson over.
1240
01:46:03,589 --> 01:46:05,318
- It's about time.
- How about that?
1241
01:46:05,491 --> 01:46:09,325
The Texas Secretary of State
just signed the extradition order.
1242
01:46:09,495 --> 01:46:13,022
Listen, you're not gonna try
and make a motive out of this...
1243
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,794
...Helter Skelter stuff are you?
Nobody will buy it.
1244
01:46:16,969 --> 01:46:18,596
Unbelievable?
1245
01:46:18,771 --> 01:46:21,001
Manny, do you ever light those things?
1246
01:46:21,173 --> 01:46:22,970
Nope.
1247
01:46:23,209 --> 01:46:25,040
Unbelievable.
1248
01:46:29,649 --> 01:46:33,085
You're arraigned on seven counts
of murder...
1249
01:46:33,252 --> 01:46:37,120
...and one count of conspiracy
to murder.
1250
01:46:37,290 --> 01:46:40,225
Five months after the killings,
Kasabian is arraigned...
1251
01:46:40,393 --> 01:46:43,760
...on seven counts of murder and one
of conspiracy to commit murder.
1252
01:46:43,929 --> 01:46:45,897
Keene accepts her plea of not guilty.
1253
01:46:46,065 --> 01:46:49,091
At the same time in McKinney, Texas,
Judge Anthony Milo...
1254
01:46:49,268 --> 01:46:51,862
...vacates the extradition order
on Charles Watson...
1255
01:46:52,038 --> 01:46:54,700
...and grants
another 30-day continuance.
1256
01:46:55,474 --> 01:46:59,672
Hey! Come on, girls, get it on!
Free Charlie!
1257
01:46:59,845 --> 01:47:01,676
Charlie!
1258
01:47:09,588 --> 01:47:12,853
Right. Okay, thanks, guy. Yeah.
1259
01:47:13,459 --> 01:47:15,051
Vince.
1260
01:47:15,227 --> 01:47:17,661
Vince, I got some good news
and some bad news.
1261
01:47:18,531 --> 01:47:20,499
Why don't you keep the bad news?
1262
01:47:20,666 --> 01:47:24,466
George Brewer wants to make an immunity
deal for Linda Kasabian.
1263
01:47:25,404 --> 01:47:28,532
Oh, I'd much rather have her than Susan.
1264
01:47:29,141 --> 01:47:31,541
But we're already legally committed
to Susan.
1265
01:47:31,711 --> 01:47:34,009
It's bad enough
we had to give her anything.
1266
01:47:34,180 --> 01:47:37,377
I don't believe this.
Krenwinkel in Alabama, Watson in Texas.
1267
01:47:37,550 --> 01:47:40,383
We may not get them back here
in time for the trial.
1268
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,985
Van Houten, she wasn't along
on the night of the Tate murders.
1269
01:47:44,256 --> 01:47:48,283
No way, we make deals with Atkins and
Kasabian, who do we prosecute on Tate?
1270
01:47:48,461 --> 01:47:51,487
Just Charlie?
And his is the weakest case we've got.
1271
01:47:51,664 --> 01:47:55,930
People won't stand for it. In Bel Air,
the fear's so real you could feel it.
1272
01:47:56,102 --> 01:47:58,536
Relax, will you? Relax.
I said he offered her.
1273
01:47:58,704 --> 01:48:00,763
We may be glad to have her one day.
1274
01:48:00,940 --> 01:48:02,737
Take a look at some of those ones.
1275
01:48:02,908 --> 01:48:07,072
Copies of things Lisa, Cindy and Gypsy
have been sending to Susan and Linda.
1276
01:48:07,279 --> 01:48:12,182
"Always think of the now.
No time to look back, no time to say how. "
1277
01:48:12,351 --> 01:48:15,218
In other words, don't say anything.
On Manson's orders.
1278
01:48:15,388 --> 01:48:18,687
He wants them to drop lawyers
so they'll have a united defense.
1279
01:48:18,858 --> 01:48:21,486
Susan's gonna repudiate
her grand-jury testimony.
1280
01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:25,653
And refuse to take the stand. A blanket
defense that fails to convict Manson...
1281
01:48:25,831 --> 01:48:29,164
...sets them free.
If I have time, I can make a case.
1282
01:48:29,335 --> 01:48:31,496
You don't have time!
1283
01:48:35,641 --> 01:48:37,472
Where's the missing link?
1284
01:48:37,643 --> 01:48:39,440
The motive.
1285
01:48:39,779 --> 01:48:41,747
The personal motive.
1286
01:48:42,848 --> 01:48:45,316
You're gonna get up there
in front of that jury...
1287
01:48:45,484 --> 01:48:48,681
...and try to convince them
that Manson wanted to start a war...
1288
01:48:48,854 --> 01:48:51,982
...between blacks and whites,
so the blacks could take over.
1289
01:48:52,158 --> 01:48:54,353
- Right.
- Charlie Manson, who hates blacks?
1290
01:48:54,527 --> 01:48:56,051
Vince, they'll lock you up.
1291
01:48:56,228 --> 01:48:59,288
DeCarlo and others told me
that was the way Manson thought.
1292
01:48:59,465 --> 01:49:03,401
I interviewed Death Valley miners.
He preached the same philosophy to them.
1293
01:49:03,569 --> 01:49:06,800
Like Hitler. Remember those magazines
I found at Barker Ranch?
1294
01:49:06,972 --> 01:49:09,497
- The ones with articles on Hitler?
- Yes.
1295
01:49:09,675 --> 01:49:14,203
I asked a miner if Manson ever said
anything about Hitler, and he said yeah.
1296
01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:19,613
Manson said Hitler was a tuned-in guy
who wanted to level the karma of the Jews.
1297
01:49:21,253 --> 01:49:23,187
That's the kind of stuff he said.
1298
01:49:23,355 --> 01:49:26,153
I'm gonna find out enough
to convince you and a jury-
1299
01:49:26,325 --> 01:49:29,522
Vince. Vince, I'm on your side,
remember?
1300
01:49:32,798 --> 01:49:36,165
- Hey, I'm sorry.
- It's frustrating.
1301
01:49:36,769 --> 01:49:38,031
Yeah.
1302
01:49:38,204 --> 01:49:42,197
That creep. Bodies all over the place.
Who knows how many? If he walks...
1303
01:49:42,374 --> 01:49:45,172
...and they get on the street-
- I know what you mean.
1304
01:49:47,746 --> 01:49:51,807
I know you do, Aaron, I know.
It's just I gotta bitch to somebody.
1305
01:50:00,125 --> 01:50:02,093
Besides Gail.
1306
01:50:04,263 --> 01:50:06,060
Are you kidding?
1307
01:50:06,232 --> 01:50:08,598
Yeah, besides Gail.
1308
01:50:09,001 --> 01:50:11,697
- She's getting used to it.
- Oh?
1309
01:50:13,239 --> 01:50:15,104
I don't believe me.
1310
01:50:15,274 --> 01:50:18,004
I've got an interview,
and I'm sitting here with you.
1311
01:50:20,179 --> 01:50:21,476
Good luck.
1312
01:50:21,647 --> 01:50:23,444
Oh, let me show you this.
1313
01:50:23,616 --> 01:50:25,584
The new secret weapon.
1314
01:50:26,218 --> 01:50:27,913
The Bible?
1315
01:50:28,087 --> 01:50:31,250
If all else fails, pray, right?
1316
01:50:38,095 --> 01:50:42,054
Paul, I understand you were sort of
Manson's right-hand man at one time.
1317
01:50:42,233 --> 01:50:43,495
What exactly did you do?
1318
01:50:43,668 --> 01:50:47,502
Well, one of the things I did
was I got girls for him.
1319
01:50:47,672 --> 01:50:51,267
- You got girls?
- Charlie'd say, "I need some new love. "
1320
01:50:51,442 --> 01:50:56,880
He used to call the girls young loves.
So I'd go out and get him one or two.
1321
01:50:57,815 --> 01:51:01,342
Do you mind if I turn this on, Paul?
I wanna just record this.
1322
01:51:05,156 --> 01:51:07,989
Testing, testing, one, two, three.
Testing.
1323
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:09,558
- Go ahead.
- Testing.
1324
01:51:09,727 --> 01:51:13,163
1.98 marked down
from a dollar and a half.
1325
01:51:18,135 --> 01:51:21,400
- Testing, testing.
- 1.98 marked-
1326
01:51:26,277 --> 01:51:27,642
Okay.
1327
01:51:27,812 --> 01:51:30,303
Now, I want to go into
a lot of things with you.
1328
01:51:30,481 --> 01:51:35,646
- The orgies Manson supposedly organized.
- Did organize. Did organize.
1329
01:51:35,820 --> 01:51:37,685
His domination of the Family.
1330
01:51:37,855 --> 01:51:42,485
His attitude toward death, fear,
the Beatles, the Bible.
1331
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,287
How did he do it?
Did he use fear?
1332
01:51:45,463 --> 01:51:47,522
Well, sure. That was a big part of it.
1333
01:51:47,698 --> 01:51:51,099
Charlie was always saying
that fear was beautiful.
1334
01:51:51,268 --> 01:51:53,930
I must have heard him
tell the Family 50 times...
1335
01:51:54,105 --> 01:51:56,801
...they ought to live
in a constant state of fear.
1336
01:51:56,974 --> 01:51:58,373
Yeah, but why?
1337
01:51:58,542 --> 01:52:01,909
Well, to Charlie, fear was
the same thing as awareness.
1338
01:52:02,079 --> 01:52:05,310
The more fear you had,
the more awareness you had.
1339
01:52:05,583 --> 01:52:07,915
The more awareness, the more love.
1340
01:52:08,085 --> 01:52:12,146
You know what it's like? It's like
when you're really all scared out.
1341
01:52:12,323 --> 01:52:14,883
You know, and you come to now.
1342
01:52:15,059 --> 01:52:20,691
Well, when you're at now,
you're totally conscious.
1343
01:52:21,065 --> 01:52:23,556
So he wanted people to be afraid,
is that it?
1344
01:52:23,734 --> 01:52:25,224
The more fear the better.
1345
01:52:25,403 --> 01:52:30,807
Charlie said that death was beautiful
because people fear death.
1346
01:52:31,375 --> 01:52:34,640
Fear really turns Charlie on.
1347
01:52:37,081 --> 01:52:40,847
Paul, you seem like an independent
sort of guy, not just a follower.
1348
01:52:41,018 --> 01:52:43,885
And yet you stayed with the Family
for a long time.
1349
01:52:44,055 --> 01:52:47,149
Was it just the girls
or was there some other reason?
1350
01:52:47,324 --> 01:52:50,225
I thought Charlie was Christ.
1351
01:53:00,838 --> 01:53:05,639
Vince, don't like to interrupt you, but you
looked like you could use some good news.
1352
01:53:05,810 --> 01:53:08,711
Krenwinkel gave up her fight
against extradition.
1353
01:53:08,879 --> 01:53:11,040
That's right.
She'll be out here tomorrow.
1354
01:53:11,515 --> 01:53:15,576
- Looks like our luck is changing.
- Hey, man, karma. Karma.
1355
01:53:15,753 --> 01:53:18,517
Right, right, karma. Right.
1356
01:53:19,056 --> 01:53:23,857
Now, Paul, while my luck is running,
I wanna get to the subject of motive, okay?
1357
01:53:24,028 --> 01:53:26,496
I talked to Greg Jakobson
and Brooks Poston...
1358
01:53:26,664 --> 01:53:29,531
...and they told me Charlie
was always sounding off...
1359
01:53:29,700 --> 01:53:31,964
...about the ninth chapter
of Revelations.
1360
01:53:32,136 --> 01:53:34,263
Oh, yeah, the Beatles laid that on him.
1361
01:53:34,438 --> 01:53:38,067
You know, that White Album of theirs.
Man, that blew Charlie's mind.
1362
01:53:38,242 --> 01:53:40,972
He said it was beautiful.
1363
01:53:41,312 --> 01:53:45,942
Charlie said that the Beatles were sending
him messages through their music.
1364
01:53:46,117 --> 01:53:48,278
You know, like that song
"Revolution 9."
1365
01:53:48,452 --> 01:53:52,115
Charlie dug it the most, man.
He said it was beautiful.
1366
01:53:52,723 --> 01:53:56,716
I mean, Charlie was hip right away
they were referring to Revelation 9.
1367
01:53:56,894 --> 01:54:00,990
I heard you knew about that, Paul,
so I came prepared.
1368
01:54:04,401 --> 01:54:08,132
"The shapes of the locusts were like
unto horses prepared unto battle. "
1369
01:54:08,305 --> 01:54:10,671
Right. Dune buggies.
1370
01:54:12,977 --> 01:54:17,107
"And on their heads were as it were
crowns like gold...
1371
01:54:17,281 --> 01:54:21,217
...and their faces were
as the faces of men. "
1372
01:54:21,385 --> 01:54:24,650
Bright lights.
Bright lights, you know.
1373
01:54:24,822 --> 01:54:29,225
"And they had hair as the hair of women,
and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. "
1374
01:54:29,393 --> 01:54:32,055
The Beatles' long hair.
1375
01:54:32,797 --> 01:54:36,563
"And they had breastplates, as it were.
Breastplates of iron.
1376
01:54:36,734 --> 01:54:39,601
- And-"
- Electric guitars.
1377
01:54:40,337 --> 01:54:43,306
"The sound of their wings
was as the sound of chariots...
1378
01:54:43,474 --> 01:54:46,272
...of many horses running to battle. "
- Oh, yeah.
1379
01:54:46,443 --> 01:54:51,380
Well, see, that's their music, you know,
the rhythm and the volume of it.
1380
01:54:52,583 --> 01:54:57,680
"And they had tails like unto scorpions
and there were stings in their tails. "
1381
01:54:57,855 --> 01:55:00,449
The wires leading
to their electrical instruments.
1382
01:55:00,624 --> 01:55:04,492
Charlie had this thing come to him once,
and he says...
1383
01:55:04,929 --> 01:55:08,490
I don't remember all of it.
May I see that?
1384
01:55:09,366 --> 01:55:12,858
Yeah, down here.
See it right here where it says:
1385
01:55:13,037 --> 01:55:17,667
"And the four angels were loosed. "
That's the four Beatles.
1386
01:55:17,842 --> 01:55:21,972
"And the number of horsemen
were two hundred thousand thousand. "
1387
01:55:22,146 --> 01:55:25,843
That's the motorcycle gangs roaming
the Earth spreading destruction...
1388
01:55:26,016 --> 01:55:27,278
...according to Charlie.
1389
01:55:27,451 --> 01:55:32,150
And look here. Right here again
where it says "breastplates of fire. "
1390
01:55:32,323 --> 01:55:34,518
Electric guitars.
1391
01:55:35,526 --> 01:55:39,053
I wanna ask you specifically
about that Verse 15 quote.
1392
01:55:39,496 --> 01:55:42,624
"The four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour...
1393
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:46,292
...and a day and a month and a year
to slay the third part of men. "
1394
01:55:47,171 --> 01:55:51,505
Oh, Charlie said those were the people
who would die in Helter Skelter.
1395
01:55:51,675 --> 01:55:55,941
One third of mankind,
the white race.
1396
01:55:56,447 --> 01:55:58,347
Doesn't that include the Family?
1397
01:55:58,515 --> 01:56:01,848
No! No way, man.
That's where the fifth angel comes in.
1398
01:56:02,486 --> 01:56:05,887
Isn't that the fifth Beatle,
the one who was killed in 1962...
1399
01:56:06,056 --> 01:56:09,890
...before they took the name Beatles?
- Let me see this here.
1400
01:56:10,227 --> 01:56:11,455
Here. Right here.
1401
01:56:11,629 --> 01:56:16,726
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw
a star fall from heaven unto the Earth.
1402
01:56:16,901 --> 01:56:20,132
And to him was given the key
to the bottomless pit. "
1403
01:56:21,105 --> 01:56:25,405
Hey, Mr. Bugliosi, it's no secret
in the Family who the fifth angel is.
1404
01:56:25,576 --> 01:56:28,943
The ruler of the bottomless pit.
It's Charlie.
1405
01:56:29,113 --> 01:56:32,173
So being in the bottomless pit,
he'd survive.
1406
01:56:33,984 --> 01:56:37,215
Here. Now here's Verse 11.
1407
01:56:37,855 --> 01:56:39,755
Where is it?
1408
01:56:40,958 --> 01:56:42,448
Here's Verse 11.
1409
01:56:42,626 --> 01:56:47,188
"And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit...
1410
01:56:47,364 --> 01:56:51,164
...whose name in the Hebrew tongue
is Abaddon. "
1411
01:56:52,736 --> 01:56:56,763
You see, Mr. Bugliosi, you got
the King James Version here.
1412
01:56:56,941 --> 01:56:58,966
Charlie had the Catholic version.
1413
01:56:59,143 --> 01:57:03,239
And in that version, the angel of the
bottomless pit also had a Latin name.
1414
01:57:03,881 --> 01:57:07,544
- Do you remember what it was?
- Sure. Exterminans.
1415
01:57:09,420 --> 01:57:11,513
Exterminans.
1416
01:57:11,922 --> 01:57:14,254
Charles Manson.
1417
01:57:14,425 --> 01:57:15,915
- It fits.
- Yeah, right.
1418
01:57:16,093 --> 01:57:21,030
The way Charlie had it figured out was that
the Beatles were sending him messages.
1419
01:57:21,198 --> 01:57:23,496
You know, that this was
all coming down now.
1420
01:57:23,667 --> 01:57:27,899
Not next year or sometime
in the future, but right now.
1421
01:57:28,072 --> 01:57:30,336
He'd play that song over and over again...
1422
01:57:30,507 --> 01:57:33,067
...listen to every sound real close.
1423
01:57:33,243 --> 01:57:36,406
He said it was a message
just for the tuned-in people.
1424
01:57:37,414 --> 01:57:38,574
That the Beatles
favored the revolution.
1425
01:57:39,016 --> 01:57:41,541
But how was this revolution
supposed to come about?
1426
01:57:41,719 --> 01:57:45,314
Well, according to Charlie...
1427
01:57:46,090 --> 01:57:49,821
...blackie would rise up and start
committing super atrocious crimes...
1428
01:57:49,994 --> 01:57:52,019
...against whitey.
1429
01:57:52,196 --> 01:57:53,959
And this would start a race war.
1430
01:57:54,131 --> 01:57:56,463
Whitey and blackie would fight each other.
1431
01:57:56,633 --> 01:58:00,330
Hippie liberals and uptight conservatives
would fight each other.
1432
01:58:00,504 --> 01:58:04,065
The Uncle Toms would fight the Panthers,
and it'd be Helter Skelter.
1433
01:58:04,241 --> 01:58:08,268
War of all wars. Then when
just about everybody was killed off...
1434
01:58:08,445 --> 01:58:12,438
...then the black militants would come out
of hiding and wipe them all out.
1435
01:58:12,616 --> 01:58:15,210
- All except for Charlie and the Family.
- Right on.
1436
01:58:15,386 --> 01:58:17,354
They'd be in the pit in Death Valley.
1437
01:58:17,521 --> 01:58:20,490
And this is the way it would go down
from then on.
1438
01:58:20,657 --> 01:58:23,592
Well, now the karma's turned, right?
Blackie's on top.
1439
01:58:23,761 --> 01:58:26,628
Well, now, blackie's gotta clean up
the mess.
1440
01:58:26,797 --> 01:58:30,494
Just like he's always done,
clean up the mess the white man made.
1441
01:58:30,667 --> 01:58:33,795
Try to build that world back up
a little bit.
1442
01:58:33,971 --> 01:58:38,305
But he wouldn't know what to do with it.
He wouldn't be able to handle it.
1443
01:58:38,475 --> 01:58:41,535
To Charlie, the only thing the black man
knows how to do...
1444
01:58:41,712 --> 01:58:43,236
...is what whitey told him.
1445
01:58:43,414 --> 01:58:46,781
He wouldn't be able to run the world
without whitey showing him.
1446
01:58:47,351 --> 01:58:51,219
- And that's where Charlie comes in.
- Right, so they'd come to Charlie.
1447
01:58:51,388 --> 01:58:54,880
Now the Family's grown to 144,000.
1448
01:58:55,059 --> 01:58:58,290
That's in the Bible too.
Let me see here.
1449
01:58:59,196 --> 01:59:00,891
Yeah. Right here.
1450
01:59:01,065 --> 01:59:03,693
"And I heard a number of them
which were sealed...
1451
01:59:03,867 --> 01:59:08,304
...and there were sealed 144,000."
1452
01:59:08,472 --> 01:59:12,875
Yeah, so they come to Charlie
and there's 144,000 people.
1453
01:59:13,043 --> 01:59:15,136
A pure white master race.
1454
01:59:15,312 --> 01:59:18,509
And they say, "Massa, you gotta run it. "
1455
01:59:18,682 --> 01:59:21,810
Charlie says, "Hell, I'll scratch
blackie's fuzzy head...
1456
01:59:21,985 --> 01:59:25,921
...kick him in the butt and go tell him
to pick cotton like a good nigger. "
1457
01:59:26,090 --> 01:59:29,582
Then the Family will emerge
from the bottomless pit...
1458
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:34,959
...and Charlie will be king of the world,
and we'll all live happily ever after.
1459
01:59:35,132 --> 01:59:37,828
All that's left is the Family
and black servants?
1460
01:59:38,202 --> 01:59:40,568
According to the gospel of Charlie.
1461
01:59:40,737 --> 01:59:45,071
- King Charlie, the fifth angel Exterminans.
- Yeah.
1462
01:59:45,242 --> 01:59:47,938
- But he got tired of waiting.
- For Helter Skelter?
1463
01:59:48,112 --> 01:59:51,138
Right. You know, he said,
"Well, blackie's got no smart.
1464
01:59:51,315 --> 01:59:54,546
Blackie just didn't know
how to bring it on all down. "
1465
01:59:54,952 --> 01:59:59,355
He said, "I'm gonna have to show him
how to do it. "
1466
02:00:00,457 --> 02:00:03,017
Charlie's gonna have to show him
how to do it.
1467
02:00:05,496 --> 02:00:08,329
Do you remember exactly
when he told you that, Paul?
1468
02:00:08,499 --> 02:00:12,663
Oh, I don't know. Last May-
No, early June of last year.
1469
02:00:12,836 --> 02:00:16,272
Yeah, he comes to me. He comes to me,
and he takes me down by...
1470
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,000
...the old trailers down at Spahn's Ranch.
1471
02:00:19,176 --> 02:00:24,170
And he's real frustrated, you know, like,
really uptight about something. He says:
1472
02:00:24,348 --> 02:00:29,342
"The only thing the black man knows how
to do is what whitey taught him to do. "
1473
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,454
He was always saying that.
1474
02:00:31,622 --> 02:00:35,558
And he said, "I'm gonna have to show him
how to do it. "
1475
02:00:35,726 --> 02:00:38,058
"I'm going to have to show him
how to do it. "
1476
02:00:38,228 --> 02:00:41,857
Yeah, man, I've got some weird pictures
from that, you know.
1477
02:00:42,633 --> 02:00:43,861
King of the world.
1478
02:00:44,034 --> 02:00:48,403
Hey, man, I split. I didn't want any part
of whatever he was talking about.
1479
02:00:48,572 --> 02:00:52,303
I mean, I was hanging out there
because I thought Charlie was Christ.
1480
02:00:52,476 --> 02:00:57,209
Then all this stuff with Exterminian vibes.
I flashed on heavy weather ahead.
1481
02:00:58,382 --> 02:01:03,046
We never did anything out at the ranch
before Charlie got on this Beatle thing...
1482
02:01:03,220 --> 02:01:07,213
...but sit out there and smoke grass,
trip out and orgy.
1483
02:01:07,391 --> 02:01:09,882
Charlie was always thinking about orgies.
1484
02:01:10,294 --> 02:01:13,161
Directing orgies, organizing orgies.
1485
02:01:13,497 --> 02:01:17,524
He'd pass around the acid, and he'd start
dancing around, dancing around.
1486
02:01:17,701 --> 02:01:21,398
Everybody would get up
and start following him, like a train.
1487
02:01:21,572 --> 02:01:24,200
Charlie, he'd take off his clothes...
1488
02:01:24,374 --> 02:01:28,037
...then everybody would
start taking off their clothes.
1489
02:01:31,215 --> 02:01:33,342
The missing motive.
1490
02:01:35,819 --> 02:01:37,787
Personal power.
1491
02:01:38,055 --> 02:01:40,216
King of the world, huh?
1492
02:01:40,424 --> 02:01:44,861
You know, I think the madness is catching.
You've made a believer out of me.
1493
02:01:45,229 --> 02:01:48,892
Now, all you gotta do is make a believer
out of a judge and 12 jurors.
1494
02:01:58,442 --> 02:01:59,841
Yeah.
1495
02:02:05,382 --> 02:02:06,781
Thanks.
1496
02:02:23,834 --> 02:02:28,430
Susan Atkins has announced that she
denies everything she told the grand jury.
1497
02:02:28,605 --> 02:02:31,972
She will not testify at the trial
under any circumstances...
1498
02:02:32,676 --> 02:02:35,645
...and she's demanding to see Charlie.
1499
02:02:42,953 --> 02:02:46,411
Do we make the phone call now
or wait 30 seconds?
1500
02:02:48,258 --> 02:02:50,089
To offer Linda Kasabian a deal?
1501
02:02:53,930 --> 02:02:56,899
Why not wait 30 seconds?
We don't wanna seem too anxious.
1502
02:03:03,106 --> 02:03:05,336
Six and a half months after the murders...
1503
02:03:05,509 --> 02:03:10,776
...Linda Kasabian agrees to testify at
all trial proceedings against all defendants.
1504
02:03:10,947 --> 02:03:14,439
In return, the Los Angeles
District Attorney's Office agrees...
1505
02:03:14,618 --> 02:03:17,849
...after testimony is given,
to petition the superior court...
1506
02:03:18,021 --> 02:03:20,751
...to grant her immunity from prosecution.
1507
02:03:22,192 --> 02:03:23,557
Hello, Linda.
1508
02:03:24,528 --> 02:03:26,792
Mr. Brewer's made
an excellent deal for you.
1509
02:03:26,963 --> 02:03:30,490
I know. I didn't wanna wait for a deal,
but he made me.
1510
02:03:30,667 --> 02:03:31,998
I'd have talked anyway.
1511
02:03:34,037 --> 02:03:38,030
- You would've?
- I wanna get it out of my head.
1512
02:03:38,442 --> 02:03:40,706
I don't wanna carry it around anymore.
1513
02:03:42,279 --> 02:03:44,873
Manson argues a motion,
the burden of which is...
1514
02:03:45,048 --> 02:03:47,744
...that deputy district attorneys
prosecuting him...
1515
02:03:47,918 --> 02:03:53,049
...be incarcerated for a period of time
under the same circumstances Manson was.
1516
02:03:53,223 --> 02:03:57,421
Judge Keene's response is to the effect
that it has become abundantly clear...
1517
02:03:57,594 --> 02:04:00,461
...Manson is incapable of acting
as his own attorney.
1518
02:04:01,064 --> 02:04:03,498
There is no God in this courtroom.
1519
02:04:03,667 --> 02:04:07,000
- You're a mockery of justice!
- You old fool!
1520
02:04:10,006 --> 02:04:11,530
Get those people out of here.
1521
02:04:15,879 --> 02:04:17,972
You're a joke!
You're a joke!
1522
02:04:32,062 --> 02:04:36,158
Linda Kasabian gives birth to a son.
She names the child Angel.
1523
02:04:39,069 --> 02:04:42,561
Important witness Paul Watkins
is pulled from his burning camper...
1524
02:04:42,739 --> 02:04:46,470
...with second degree burns over
25 percent of his face, arms and back.
1525
02:04:46,643 --> 02:04:49,203
The fire is of undetermined origin.
1526
02:04:55,519 --> 02:04:59,011
Manson files an affidavit of prejudice
against Judge William Keene.
1527
02:04:59,189 --> 02:05:02,488
Judge Keene accepts Manson's challenge,
disqualifies himself...
1528
02:05:02,659 --> 02:05:06,151
...and the case is assigned
to Judge Charles H. Older.
1529
02:05:14,504 --> 02:05:18,065
If Mr. Manson insists on having
Mr. Scoville as his attorney...
1530
02:05:18,241 --> 02:05:20,209
...I must grant the request.
1531
02:05:22,712 --> 02:05:27,706
If Your Honor please, I believe Mr. Scoville
is a very sincere and conscientious man.
1532
02:05:28,218 --> 02:05:32,211
But it is well known that his cases
become unduly long and complicated.
1533
02:05:32,823 --> 02:05:36,122
And even with lawyers known
to handle matters expeditiously...
1534
02:05:36,293 --> 02:05:38,386
...this trial could last four months.
1535
02:05:38,862 --> 02:05:41,456
Then let me represent me.
1536
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:46,694
It would be a miscarriage of justice
to allow you that...
1537
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:49,566
...in a case having the complications
of this case.
1538
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:52,970
Have you affirmed Mr. Scoville
as your attorney?
1539
02:05:53,143 --> 02:05:55,873
I'm forced into a situation.
1540
02:05:57,814 --> 02:06:01,443
My second alternative is to cause you
as much trouble as possible.
1541
02:06:03,653 --> 02:06:06,588
July 24, 1970,
almost one year after the killings.
1542
02:06:16,433 --> 02:06:18,298
Come on, lady!
1543
02:06:23,406 --> 02:06:26,773
Did you read it? Did you hear
what Charlie's saying to you?
1544
02:06:26,943 --> 02:06:28,342
Statement by Manson.
1545
02:06:28,512 --> 02:06:31,310
"I've X'd myself out of the world. "
I'll read it later.
1546
02:06:31,481 --> 02:06:34,507
Yeah. I see that Kitty Lassiter
is back with the Family.
1547
02:06:34,684 --> 02:06:38,518
Bobby Beausoleil's in the death house,
this is probably all she has left.
1548
02:06:38,688 --> 02:06:42,021
I thought about the problem of
having these people in the court.
1549
02:06:42,192 --> 02:06:44,592
Yeah. They'll conduct
continuous harassment.
1550
02:06:44,761 --> 02:06:48,094
- No, they're not. They won't be there.
- How's that gonna happen?
1551
02:06:48,265 --> 02:06:51,928
Prospective witnesses can't be in court
while other witnesses testify.
1552
02:06:52,102 --> 02:06:54,627
So we're gonna subpoena
all known Family members.
1553
02:06:54,804 --> 02:06:57,102
- Very good. Beautiful.
- So they're excluded.
1554
02:06:57,274 --> 02:07:00,175
That limits the obstruction
to the four defendants.
1555
02:07:14,257 --> 02:07:15,986
Oh, my God.
1556
02:07:16,793 --> 02:07:18,021
I love you.
1557
02:07:30,574 --> 02:07:32,337
All rise.
1558
02:07:33,143 --> 02:07:35,043
Department 104 is now in session.
1559
02:07:35,211 --> 02:07:39,204
The Honorable Judge
Charles H. Older presiding.
1560
02:07:41,651 --> 02:07:43,448
Be seated, please.
1561
02:07:45,956 --> 02:07:48,424
Mr. Bugliosi, do you have
an opening statement?
1562
02:07:48,592 --> 02:07:50,355
Yes, Your Honor.
1563
02:07:57,701 --> 02:08:00,898
Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring...
1564
02:08:01,071 --> 02:08:04,336
...Abigail Ann Folger, Voytek Frykowski...
1565
02:08:04,507 --> 02:08:05,838
...Steven Earl Parent...
1566
02:08:06,242 --> 02:08:10,201
...Leno A. LaBianca, Rosemary LaBianca.
1567
02:08:10,714 --> 02:08:12,511
What kind of a diabolical mind...
1568
02:08:12,682 --> 02:08:16,379
...would contemplate or conceive
these seven murders?
1569
02:08:16,686 --> 02:08:19,746
We expect evidence at this trial
to answer that question...
1570
02:08:19,923 --> 02:08:25,054
...and show that defendant Charles Manson
owned that diabolical mind.
1571
02:08:25,328 --> 02:08:30,595
Charles Manson, who the evidence will show,
had the infinite humility, as it were...
1572
02:08:30,767 --> 02:08:34,100
...to refer to himself as Jesus Christ.
1573
02:08:34,871 --> 02:08:38,272
The evidence will show Charles Manson
to be a megalomaniac...
1574
02:08:38,441 --> 02:08:43,708
...who coupled his insatiable thirst for
power with an obsession for violent death.
1575
02:08:44,514 --> 02:08:49,178
The evidence will show Charles Manson to
be the unquestioned leader and overlord...
1576
02:08:49,352 --> 02:08:53,482
...of a nomadic band of vagabonds
who call themselves "The Family. "
1577
02:08:54,924 --> 02:08:59,122
We anticipate in Mr. Manson's defense,
he'll claim neither he nor anyone else...
1578
02:08:59,295 --> 02:09:03,527
...was the leader of the Family and that
he didn't order anyone to do anything...
1579
02:09:03,700 --> 02:09:05,497
...much less commit these murders.
1580
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:07,830
He's making our opening statement for us!
1581
02:09:08,171 --> 02:09:11,299
Overruled. You may continue, Mr. Bugliosi.
1582
02:09:12,008 --> 02:09:13,771
Thank you, Your Honor.
1583
02:09:15,211 --> 02:09:18,703
We therefore intend to show
that Charles Manson was, in fact...
1584
02:09:18,882 --> 02:09:20,816
...the dictatorial Family leader...
1585
02:09:21,117 --> 02:09:24,086
...and that everyone in the Family
was obedient to him...
1586
02:09:24,254 --> 02:09:29,419
...and eventually they committed the seven
Tate-LaBianca murders at his command.
1587
02:09:29,659 --> 02:09:34,722
Now, what about Charles Manson's followers,
the other defendants in this trial?
1588
02:09:34,898 --> 02:09:39,699
Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel,
Leslie Van Houten.
1589
02:09:39,869 --> 02:09:43,168
The evidence will show they,
along with Charles Tex Watson...
1590
02:09:43,339 --> 02:09:46,866
...were the actual killers of the seven
Tate-LaBianca victims.
1591
02:09:47,477 --> 02:09:51,573
The evidence will show they were willing
participants in these mass murders...
1592
02:09:51,748 --> 02:09:54,717
...and that by their overkill tactics...
1593
02:09:54,884 --> 02:10:00,481
For instance, Rosemary LaBianca
was stabbed 41 times.
1594
02:10:00,657 --> 02:10:04,354
Voytek Frykowski was stabbed 51 times...
1595
02:10:04,861 --> 02:10:08,160
...shot twice and struck violently
over the head...
1596
02:10:08,331 --> 02:10:11,630
...13 times with the butt of a revolver.
1597
02:10:12,969 --> 02:10:15,938
These defendants displayed
that even apart from Manson...
1598
02:10:16,106 --> 02:10:18,666
...murder ran through their own blood.
1599
02:10:20,744 --> 02:10:25,772
Now we come to the question that has been
asked since these murders occurred. Why?
1600
02:10:25,949 --> 02:10:30,045
Why did Charles Manson
order these seven murders?
1601
02:10:31,154 --> 02:10:32,849
Ladies and gentlemen...
1602
02:10:33,022 --> 02:10:36,651
...the prosecution does not
have any burden of proving motive.
1603
02:10:36,826 --> 02:10:42,287
We have no obligation to show one single,
solitary speck of evidence as to motive.
1604
02:10:42,465 --> 02:10:46,561
However, when we have evidence
of motive, we introduce it.
1605
02:10:46,736 --> 02:10:49,136
For if one has a motive
for committing murder...
1606
02:10:49,305 --> 02:10:53,241
...this is circumstantial evidence that
it was he who committed the murder.
1607
02:10:53,576 --> 02:10:56,909
In this trial, we will offer evidence
of Manson's motives...
1608
02:10:57,080 --> 02:10:59,173
...for ordering these seven murders.
1609
02:10:59,349 --> 02:11:03,752
The evidence will show Manson's fanatical
obsession with Helter Skelter...
1610
02:11:04,888 --> 02:11:08,415
...a term he got from the English
musical group The Beatles.
1611
02:11:08,858 --> 02:11:11,986
To Manson, Helter Skelter meant
the black man rising up...
1612
02:11:12,162 --> 02:11:15,393
...and destroying the entire white race.
1613
02:11:16,132 --> 02:11:20,228
That is, with the exception of
Charles Manson and his chosen followers.
1614
02:11:20,570 --> 02:11:23,198
Keep it clear.
Please, keep the aisle clear.
1615
02:11:23,373 --> 02:11:25,466
Gentlemen, keep it clear, please.
1616
02:11:25,642 --> 02:11:27,667
Stand back, please.
1617
02:11:28,545 --> 02:11:30,308
Keep it clear, please.
1618
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:31,970
- Keep it-
- You'll kill us all!
1619
02:11:32,148 --> 02:11:33,376
Kill us all!
1620
02:11:38,888 --> 02:11:40,321
Raise your right hand.
1621
02:11:40,490 --> 02:11:44,426
Object, on the grounds this witness
is not competent and she's insane.
1622
02:11:44,594 --> 02:11:48,621
I ask the court to strike that and find him
in contempt for gross misconduct.
1623
02:11:48,798 --> 02:11:51,164
- This is unbelievable!
- Come to the bench.
1624
02:11:52,001 --> 02:11:55,801
The jury is admonished to disregard
Mr. Scoville's comments.
1625
02:11:55,972 --> 02:11:59,430
Mr. Scoville's objections alleges
Linda Kasabian is incompetent...
1626
02:11:59,742 --> 02:12:02,336
...because she has taken LSD
at least 300 times.
1627
02:12:02,512 --> 02:12:05,879
After 10 minutes of discussion,
the objection is overruled.
1628
02:12:06,049 --> 02:12:07,914
Motion for a mistrial is denied.
1629
02:12:08,084 --> 02:12:12,453
The first question to Linda elicits another
objection, another motion for mistrial.
1630
02:12:12,622 --> 02:12:17,423
After another 10 minutes' discussion,
this second motion is also denied.
1631
02:12:17,594 --> 02:12:20,893
A pattern of incessant objections
and motions is established...
1632
02:12:21,064 --> 02:12:25,660
...yet, piece by piece, the story of Linda
Kasabian and the Manson Family emerges...
1633
02:12:25,835 --> 02:12:29,293
...from the hours of wrangling
and obfuscation.
1634
02:12:31,507 --> 02:12:33,998
Mrs. Kasabian, do you have any children?
1635
02:12:34,177 --> 02:12:36,270
Yes. I have two children.
1636
02:12:36,446 --> 02:12:37,777
And what are their names?
1637
02:12:37,947 --> 02:12:39,972
Tanya and Angel.
1638
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:42,413
When did you come to Los Angeles?
1639
02:12:42,585 --> 02:12:44,177
Maybe...
1640
02:12:44,654 --> 02:12:48,590
...the 27th of June, 1969.
1641
02:12:48,758 --> 02:12:54,060
Did you first meet Gypsy,
or Catherine Share on July 4, 1969?
1642
02:12:54,230 --> 02:12:55,720
Yes.
1643
02:12:55,999 --> 02:12:59,298
She had come to see a friend
who lived in the truck with us.
1644
02:12:59,702 --> 02:13:02,500
Did she have anything to do
with you going to Spahn Ranch?
1645
02:13:02,672 --> 02:13:04,572
- Yes, she did.
- And how was that?
1646
02:13:06,409 --> 02:13:11,403
She told me that there was a beautiful man
that we'd all been waiting for.
1647
02:13:42,211 --> 02:13:45,510
I became a member of a family.
1648
02:13:45,682 --> 02:13:49,083
Now, what do you mean by that,
"a member of the Family"?
1649
02:13:49,252 --> 02:13:53,814
Well, we lived together as one family...
1650
02:13:54,190 --> 02:13:56,556
...as a family lives together...
1651
02:13:56,726 --> 02:14:00,127
...a mother and a father and children...
1652
02:14:00,296 --> 02:14:02,696
...but we were all just one...
1653
02:14:02,865 --> 02:14:06,164
...and Charlie was the head.
1654
02:14:25,888 --> 02:14:28,379
- How old are you, Vince?
- Thirty-five.
1655
02:14:28,558 --> 02:14:32,927
You're lucky, you can go right from
this case on into Social Security.
1656
02:14:33,563 --> 02:14:37,124
I was ready for his objections and motions.
I've seen him in action.
1657
02:14:37,300 --> 02:14:41,396
What bothers me is he's sometimes
effective. He keeps testimony out I want in.
1658
02:14:41,671 --> 02:14:44,538
For instance, today,
I know he wore Judge Older down...
1659
02:14:44,707 --> 02:14:49,167
...with his constant, "Objection, hearsay. "
He said it over and over again until...
1660
02:14:49,345 --> 02:14:51,677
...Older thought he was right
and sustained.
1661
02:14:51,848 --> 02:14:54,908
If I can't use Linda Kasabian's testimony
against Manson-
1662
02:14:55,084 --> 02:14:57,951
This is it: People v. Stevens.
1663
02:14:58,888 --> 02:15:00,981
This is the kind of statement we need.
1664
02:15:01,157 --> 02:15:05,025
The court rules in here that you can show
the existence of a conspiracy...
1665
02:15:05,194 --> 02:15:09,858
...by showing the relationship between the
parties, including statements to each other.
1666
02:15:10,033 --> 02:15:11,830
Beautiful.
1667
02:15:15,805 --> 02:15:18,603
A little past mid-July, 1969...
1668
02:15:18,775 --> 02:15:22,506
...did a group of Family members
and guests gather at the back house?
1669
02:15:22,678 --> 02:15:25,146
- Yes, they did.
- About how many people?
1670
02:15:25,314 --> 02:15:29,444
Objection, Your Honor, ambiguous
as to time and also calling for a conclusion.
1671
02:15:29,752 --> 02:15:31,447
Overruled.
1672
02:15:32,355 --> 02:15:33,583
The Family...
1673
02:15:34,290 --> 02:15:39,193
...maybe 20, and I believe
there were three guests.
1674
02:15:39,362 --> 02:15:40,590
Four guests.
1675
02:15:42,098 --> 02:15:43,759
What took place that night?
1676
02:15:44,300 --> 02:15:45,824
Object, Your Honor.
1677
02:15:46,302 --> 02:15:48,429
Overruled, let's proceed.
1678
02:15:48,604 --> 02:15:51,596
- Do you have the question in mind?
- Yes, I do.
1679
02:15:52,341 --> 02:15:56,675
There was one particular girl,
I don't remember her name...
1680
02:15:57,580 --> 02:15:59,571
In view of the fact that the witness-
1681
02:15:59,749 --> 02:16:02,616
Don't interrupt the answer.
Let's proceed.
1682
02:16:04,821 --> 02:16:07,153
She was very young.
1683
02:16:07,323 --> 02:16:09,883
I'd say about 16.
1684
02:16:10,059 --> 02:16:14,496
And she was quite shy,
very withdrawn.
1685
02:16:15,031 --> 02:16:18,660
And I remember she was laying
in the middle of the room...
1686
02:16:18,835 --> 02:16:24,535
...and Charlie came over to her,
and he started...
1687
02:16:25,074 --> 02:16:29,010
...touching her and kissing her...
1688
02:16:30,313 --> 02:16:32,110
...and you know.
1689
02:16:35,284 --> 02:16:38,048
Well, like, she was really rejecting him...
1690
02:16:38,988 --> 02:16:41,286
...trying to push him off...
1691
02:16:41,824 --> 02:16:45,351
...and he just sort of pushed her
back down and kissed her.
1692
02:16:46,796 --> 02:16:52,200
At this point, she bit him on the shoulder,
and he hit her in the face.
1693
02:16:52,368 --> 02:16:55,496
And then she just sort of let go
or whatever.
1694
02:16:56,539 --> 02:17:01,203
And then he flashed the signal
to Bobby Beausoleil to take over...
1695
02:17:04,947 --> 02:17:09,145
...and do his thing,
and then he told everybody...
1696
02:17:09,652 --> 02:17:15,090
...to touch her and to kiss her
and join in.
1697
02:17:16,592 --> 02:17:17,820
And everybody did.
1698
02:17:18,895 --> 02:17:22,558
Move to strike the entire answer
as non-responsive and immaterial.
1699
02:17:22,732 --> 02:17:23,960
It's hearsay.
1700
02:17:24,133 --> 02:17:26,294
Join in the motion, may we approach?
1701
02:17:34,877 --> 02:17:36,936
We have to stick more
to the point here.
1702
02:17:38,781 --> 02:17:42,148
What is the purpose of this
extensive testimony about sex?
1703
02:17:42,418 --> 02:17:47,014
I'm trying to prove that Manson dominated
even the sex lives of these people.
1704
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:48,418
Motion's denied.
1705
02:17:48,591 --> 02:17:53,051
Your Honor, this is the most prejudicial-
What Mr. Bugliosi is eliciting-
1706
02:17:53,229 --> 02:17:57,256
Excuse me, sir. Excuse me.
The G is soft. It's Bugliosi.
1707
02:17:57,567 --> 02:18:00,559
- I'm sorry.
- Let's proceed.
1708
02:18:00,736 --> 02:18:02,260
Thank you.
1709
02:18:12,548 --> 02:18:16,314
Did anyone who was present touch this girl
before Charlie told them to?
1710
02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:18,983
No, I don't believe so.
1711
02:18:19,155 --> 02:18:22,352
After everyone touched the girl,
then what happened?
1712
02:18:23,226 --> 02:18:26,753
Then he told everybody
to make love with everybody.
1713
02:18:26,929 --> 02:18:30,990
While you were at Spahn Ranch,
did you have any discussions with Manson?
1714
02:18:31,167 --> 02:18:32,828
- Object!
- Yes.
1715
02:18:33,436 --> 02:18:36,872
Just a minute, I will object, Your Honor,
on the grounds of time.
1716
02:18:37,206 --> 02:18:38,434
Overruled.
1717
02:18:38,608 --> 02:18:42,840
In your discussions with Mr. Manson,
did he ever talk about right and wrong?
1718
02:18:43,012 --> 02:18:45,776
- Yes.
- Objection! This is leading and suggestive.
1719
02:18:45,948 --> 02:18:48,712
- Overruled.
- What did he say?
1720
02:18:49,552 --> 02:18:52,487
He said there was no wrong-
1721
02:18:52,655 --> 02:18:55,954
Everything was all right,
there was no wrong.
1722
02:18:56,192 --> 02:18:59,491
Did he ever say anything about
willing to kill or be killed?
1723
02:18:59,662 --> 02:19:01,596
Leading and suggestive, Your Honor.
1724
02:19:01,764 --> 02:19:04,699
- Overruled.
- He used to say:
1725
02:19:05,568 --> 02:19:08,696
"If you're willing to be killed...
1726
02:19:08,871 --> 02:19:10,930
...then you should be willing to kill. "
1727
02:19:11,407 --> 02:19:13,500
Did you ever see or observe...
1728
02:19:13,676 --> 02:19:17,772
...any member of the Family refuse to do
anything Mr. Manson told them to?
1729
02:19:18,147 --> 02:19:20,342
- Hearsay, Your Honor!
- Overruled.
1730
02:19:20,516 --> 02:19:21,983
Nobody did.
1731
02:19:22,385 --> 02:19:26,913
We always wanted to do
anything and everything for him.
1732
02:19:27,223 --> 02:19:32,388
During the day of August 8, do you recall
him saying anything about Helter Skelter?
1733
02:19:33,362 --> 02:19:35,956
- Yes, I do.
- What was the occasion?
1734
02:19:38,067 --> 02:19:42,470
Well, we were sitting around,
talking about things...
1735
02:19:42,638 --> 02:19:46,699
...and Charlie was saying how
people couldn't get it together...
1736
02:19:46,876 --> 02:19:51,210
...how people were on their own little trips,
and they wouldn't go on his trip.
1737
02:19:51,380 --> 02:19:54,440
They just couldn't get it together at all.
1738
02:19:54,617 --> 02:19:56,482
And then he just came out and said:
1739
02:19:57,219 --> 02:19:59,949
"Now is the time for Helter Skelter. "
1740
02:20:01,791 --> 02:20:05,056
- That was August 8th, 1969?
- I believe so.
1741
02:20:05,261 --> 02:20:07,786
And did anything unusual
happen after dinner?
1742
02:20:08,798 --> 02:20:10,493
Yes.
1743
02:20:11,300 --> 02:20:16,567
I remember I was standing out in front
of the gun room at this one point...
1744
02:20:17,039 --> 02:20:21,533
...and Charlie came up to me
and pulled me off the porch.
1745
02:20:21,744 --> 02:20:25,874
And he told me I needed
a change of clothing...
1746
02:20:26,048 --> 02:20:29,040
...a knife and my driver's license.
1747
02:20:30,219 --> 02:20:32,278
- An additional change of clothing?
- Yes.
1748
02:20:32,455 --> 02:20:35,947
- And did you get these things?
- Yes.
1749
02:20:36,892 --> 02:20:39,861
And he told me to go with Tex...
1750
02:20:40,129 --> 02:20:43,792
...and do what Tex told me to do,
and I...
1751
02:20:52,641 --> 02:20:56,099
I got into the car...
1752
02:20:57,446 --> 02:21:02,145
...and I believe Sadie and Katie
were already in the back seat.
1753
02:21:02,318 --> 02:21:04,718
What is the next thing that happened?
1754
02:21:04,887 --> 02:21:09,256
Tex got in the car,
and we started to drive away.
1755
02:21:10,993 --> 02:21:13,223
And then Charlie said:
1756
02:21:13,396 --> 02:21:17,958
"Leave a sign.
You girls know what I mean.
1757
02:21:18,167 --> 02:21:20,431
Something witchy. "
1758
02:21:23,639 --> 02:21:26,836
This trial is the second
crucifixion of Christ.
1759
02:21:27,009 --> 02:21:28,772
The second crucifixion.
1760
02:21:28,944 --> 02:21:30,707
This trial is the second...
1761
02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:34,646
There's the chief crucifier!
There he is!
1762
02:21:35,251 --> 02:21:38,049
I'm sure Mr. Bugliosi would like
a picture of Charlie.
1763
02:21:38,220 --> 02:21:41,883
No, thanks, Mary, I already have
an autographed one on my mantelpiece.
1764
02:21:42,057 --> 02:21:44,548
She's proof of what's wrong
with immunity deals.
1765
02:21:44,727 --> 02:21:48,595
But without her testimony, I doubt
Beausoleil would be in the death house.
1766
02:21:48,764 --> 02:21:50,994
But she's a killer, Aaron, running loose.
1767
02:21:51,167 --> 02:21:53,863
I know. I'm talking about
the second crucifixion.
1768
02:21:55,304 --> 02:21:56,862
Still, Vince...
1769
02:21:57,039 --> 02:21:59,303
...if it weren't for immunity...
1770
02:21:59,475 --> 02:22:01,238
...we'd be nowhere without Linda.
1771
02:22:01,410 --> 02:22:04,436
Linda didn't kill anyone.
We're not turning a killer free.
1772
02:22:04,613 --> 02:22:06,672
All right, don't get hot at me.
1773
02:22:10,853 --> 02:22:14,846
Your Honor, I have here a. 22 caliber
Longhorn revolver. May it be marked...
1774
02:22:15,024 --> 02:22:18,983
...people's 40 for identification?
- It will be so marked.
1775
02:22:19,161 --> 02:22:22,688
- Have you ever seen this revolver before?
- Yes, I have.
1776
02:22:22,865 --> 02:22:25,425
And where did you see it
for the first time?
1777
02:22:25,601 --> 02:22:27,193
In the car.
1778
02:22:27,403 --> 02:22:29,871
This is the revolver in
the glove compartment?
1779
02:22:30,039 --> 02:22:31,563
Yes.
1780
02:22:39,882 --> 02:22:43,340
Did you actually see Tex
climb the pole?
1781
02:22:43,752 --> 02:22:46,915
I think so. I'm not positive.
1782
02:22:47,089 --> 02:22:50,252
I just remember seeing the wires fall.
1783
02:23:01,937 --> 02:23:05,429
Linda, I show you People's 41
for identification.
1784
02:23:05,608 --> 02:23:08,168
Have you ever seen this rope before?
1785
02:23:08,410 --> 02:23:10,708
That looks like the rope.
1786
02:23:11,614 --> 02:23:13,775
It looks like the rope that what?
1787
02:23:14,783 --> 02:23:18,014
That Tex was carrying up the hill.
1788
02:23:19,688 --> 02:23:23,852
What happened after you, Katie,
Tex and Sadie walked up the hill?
1789
02:23:25,327 --> 02:23:26,692
We...
1790
02:23:28,497 --> 02:23:30,761
We climbed over.
1791
02:23:31,333 --> 02:23:34,427
We climbed over a fence.
1792
02:23:35,938 --> 02:23:40,739
And then a light started
coming towards us.
1793
02:23:45,848 --> 02:23:48,316
Are you able to go on, Mrs. Kasabian?
1794
02:23:48,517 --> 02:23:51,350
Yes. Yes, I am.
1795
02:23:54,823 --> 02:23:57,087
And the man said:
1796
02:23:57,626 --> 02:24:02,723
"Please, don't hurt me,
I won't say anything. "
1797
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:11,096
Now, you say that Tex cut
the screen of the window.
1798
02:24:11,273 --> 02:24:13,741
What's the next thing that happened?
1799
02:24:17,446 --> 02:24:19,277
He told me...
1800
02:24:19,448 --> 02:24:23,817
...to go back to the car and wait.
1801
02:24:24,253 --> 02:24:26,153
And I did.
1802
02:24:28,991 --> 02:24:30,652
And then...
1803
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:34,058
...all of a sudden...
1804
02:24:35,598 --> 02:24:37,156
...I heard-
1805
02:24:37,333 --> 02:24:39,267
I heard screams.
1806
02:24:40,536 --> 02:24:42,970
There were no words.
1807
02:24:43,138 --> 02:24:45,663
It was beyond words.
1808
02:24:46,241 --> 02:24:48,801
It was just screams.
1809
02:24:49,979 --> 02:24:52,038
It was horrible!
1810
02:24:53,782 --> 02:24:56,080
Your Honor...
1811
02:24:56,251 --> 02:24:59,118
...I can appreciate that, but...
1812
02:24:59,288 --> 02:25:03,315
...I ask that the statement
about "horrible"...
1813
02:25:03,492 --> 02:25:06,825
The statement is out.
The jury is admonished to disregard it.
1814
02:25:09,698 --> 02:25:11,757
I'll get you a cup of water.
1815
02:25:31,720 --> 02:25:33,483
How long did the screaming go on?
1816
02:25:35,024 --> 02:25:37,390
I don't know.
1817
02:25:38,394 --> 02:25:41,022
It seemed like forever.
1818
02:25:41,497 --> 02:25:43,192
Infinite.
1819
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:47,464
My mind went blank...
1820
02:25:48,270 --> 02:25:52,832
...and I was aware of my body
walking towards the house.
1821
02:25:57,413 --> 02:25:59,040
Then I hit...
1822
02:25:59,214 --> 02:26:04,516
Oh, God, I'm so sorry.
1823
02:26:05,554 --> 02:26:08,717
Sadie, please, make it stop!
1824
02:26:08,891 --> 02:26:11,382
I hear people coming.
1825
02:26:12,861 --> 02:26:14,761
And she said:
1826
02:26:15,731 --> 02:26:17,358
"It's too late. "
1827
02:26:23,305 --> 02:26:25,205
And then I said to Sadie:
1828
02:26:25,374 --> 02:26:28,639
"Sadie, please, make it stop. "
1829
02:26:34,383 --> 02:26:37,750
And when you told Sadie people
were coming, was that the truth?
1830
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:39,512
No.
1831
02:26:39,988 --> 02:26:42,115
And why did you tell her that?
1832
02:26:42,291 --> 02:26:46,057
Because I just wanted them to stop!
1833
02:26:51,233 --> 02:26:54,202
All right, Mrs. Kasabian,
you can step down.
1834
02:26:57,973 --> 02:27:01,431
Ladies and gentlemen,
do not converse with anyone...
1835
02:27:01,610 --> 02:27:06,775
...nor form or express an opinion regarding
this case until it has been submitted to you.
1836
02:27:07,316 --> 02:27:11,343
The court will adjourn at this time
until 9:45 tomorrow morning.
1837
02:27:11,687 --> 02:27:15,145
When was the first time you learned
the names of the five victims?
1838
02:27:15,324 --> 02:27:17,986
The following day on the news.
1839
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:23,894
Sadie woke me up and told me to go
to Spahn's trailer to watch television.
1840
02:27:24,066 --> 02:27:28,025
When I got there, she switched
the channels to the news.
1841
02:27:28,771 --> 02:27:34,505
And then Charlie came in and called
Katie, Leslie and myself aside...
1842
02:27:34,676 --> 02:27:39,636
...and told us to get a change of clothing
and meet in the bunkroom, which we did.
1843
02:27:40,415 --> 02:27:42,713
And he told me to get my driver's license.
1844
02:27:43,051 --> 02:27:45,212
That's three lies you've told already.
1845
02:27:45,387 --> 02:27:46,911
No, Charlie.
1846
02:27:47,089 --> 02:27:49,614
I've spoken the truth, and you know it.
1847
02:27:52,528 --> 02:27:56,555
Did Mr. Manson say anything to you
once you were all in the bunkhouse?
1848
02:27:58,600 --> 02:28:01,728
He said we were going out again, tonight.
1849
02:28:01,904 --> 02:28:04,702
That last night was too messy...
1850
02:28:04,873 --> 02:28:08,365
...and that he was gonna
show us how to do it.
1851
02:28:45,180 --> 02:28:48,274
He's had this information a week,
and we haven't heard it.
1852
02:28:48,450 --> 02:28:49,917
I've given it three times.
1853
02:28:50,085 --> 02:28:52,053
Objections from the defense continue.
1854
02:28:52,221 --> 02:28:55,588
Terrence Milik, during a dispute,
uses obscene language.
1855
02:28:55,757 --> 02:28:58,521
Judge Older cites him
for contempt of court.
1856
02:29:07,302 --> 02:29:10,135
He told me that there was
a man and a woman...
1857
02:29:10,305 --> 02:29:12,398
...tied up in the house.
1858
02:29:12,574 --> 02:29:15,202
And that he had tied their hands...
1859
02:29:15,377 --> 02:29:20,781
...and told them not to be afraid,
that he wasn't going to hurt them.
1860
02:29:21,850 --> 02:29:24,080
And then he told them:
1861
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:27,948
"Don't cause fear and panic
in these people.
1862
02:29:28,123 --> 02:29:31,286
Don't let them know
you're going to kill them. "
1863
02:29:31,994 --> 02:29:35,862
And afterwards, they should
hitchhike back to the ranch.
1864
02:29:36,965 --> 02:29:39,763
You say Mr. Manson gave you a wallet?
1865
02:29:40,068 --> 02:29:41,865
Yes, he did.
1866
02:29:42,704 --> 02:29:45,935
Did he tell you what to do
with respect to that wallet?
1867
02:29:46,942 --> 02:29:50,002
He told me to take the change
out of the wallet...
1868
02:29:50,178 --> 02:29:53,170
...and wipe off the fingerprints.
1869
02:29:54,082 --> 02:29:58,212
And then, we were going
to put it someplace...
1870
02:29:58,687 --> 02:30:02,987
...where a black person would
pick it up and use the credit card...
1871
02:30:03,158 --> 02:30:06,059
...so that the people, the establishment...
1872
02:30:06,228 --> 02:30:11,291
...would think it was some sort of
organized group that killed these people.
1873
02:30:11,867 --> 02:30:14,836
Presumably, the black militants.
1874
02:30:15,337 --> 02:30:19,330
He said they wanted to show
blackie how to do it.
1875
02:30:23,712 --> 02:30:25,202
Order.
1876
02:30:27,015 --> 02:30:29,210
The court will recess for 15 minutes.
1877
02:30:39,328 --> 02:30:42,593
I'm gonna have Bugliosi and Older killed.
1878
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:48,759
Testing, testing.
One, two, three, testing.
1879
02:30:53,208 --> 02:30:55,870
Testing, testing. Do you read me? Over.
1880
02:30:56,044 --> 02:30:57,705
Coming through loud and clear.
1881
02:30:57,879 --> 02:30:59,847
- Roger.
- Vince, what if-?
1882
02:31:00,015 --> 02:31:03,314
If they cut the phone wires,
we have communication with police.
1883
02:31:03,485 --> 02:31:06,181
And come here.
I got a full-time bodyguard too.
1884
02:31:06,355 --> 02:31:09,813
- See him?
- It's like being in a war.
1885
02:31:16,631 --> 02:31:19,156
Say, Vince? Vince, I want to apologize.
1886
02:31:19,334 --> 02:31:21,564
Terry, it was a heat-of-the-moment remark.
1887
02:31:21,737 --> 02:31:24,672
- I'm sorry Older found you in contempt.
- That's not it.
1888
02:31:24,840 --> 02:31:26,967
What I did was a hell of a lot worse.
1889
02:31:27,142 --> 02:31:30,305
I suggested that Everett Scoville
be Manson's attorney.
1890
02:31:32,681 --> 02:31:37,641
You testified this morning, did you not,
that you have taken LSD 50 times?
1891
02:31:37,819 --> 02:31:40,117
Approximately, yes.
1892
02:31:40,288 --> 02:31:42,279
What is LSD?
1893
02:31:42,457 --> 02:31:46,985
Lysergic acid diethylamide.
Something like that.
1894
02:31:47,162 --> 02:31:51,690
Well, is it a chemical? Does it provoke
an emotional response like anger?
1895
02:31:51,867 --> 02:31:53,357
Fear? Jealousy? Hate?
1896
02:31:54,136 --> 02:32:00,041
My sole purpose for taking it
was for realization, God realization.
1897
02:32:00,208 --> 02:32:03,974
- That was to discover God?
- Yes.
1898
02:32:05,080 --> 02:32:07,048
Were you successful in that endeavor?
1899
02:32:07,616 --> 02:32:13,179
I realize you don't have to take
peyote or LSD to discover God.
1900
02:32:13,922 --> 02:32:20,157
I believe you stated that
you've taken 50 acid trips.
1901
02:32:20,362 --> 02:32:23,729
Would you please describe
what happened on trip number 23?
1902
02:32:23,899 --> 02:32:26,367
I object to that question
as being ridiculous.
1903
02:32:26,968 --> 02:32:28,458
Sustained.
1904
02:32:37,245 --> 02:32:39,406
What is this?
1905
02:32:42,484 --> 02:32:45,112
All counsel will come to the bench.
1906
02:32:52,661 --> 02:32:55,186
If jurors had been influenced
by the headline...
1907
02:32:55,363 --> 02:32:58,059
...grounds for a mistrial
may have been established.
1908
02:32:58,233 --> 02:33:01,794
Therefore, each juror is questioned,
under oath, by Judge Older.
1909
02:33:02,237 --> 02:33:04,899
Do you feel that it has
influenced you in any way?
1910
02:33:05,073 --> 02:33:06,301
No, sir.
1911
02:33:06,475 --> 02:33:11,538
Do you feel you can form an opinion based
solely upon evidence presented to you?
1912
02:33:11,713 --> 02:33:13,374
I'm sure I can, Your Honor.
1913
02:33:13,715 --> 02:33:16,775
- Very good, you may step down.
- Thank you.
1914
02:33:19,421 --> 02:33:23,551
- Yes, sir.
- Do you feel it's influenced your thinking?
1915
02:33:23,725 --> 02:33:26,216
All 12 jurors and alternates
state under oath...
1916
02:33:26,394 --> 02:33:30,922
...that they have not been influenced and
will only consider the evidence presented.
1917
02:33:31,700 --> 02:33:34,362
I didn't vote for Mr. Nixon anyway.
1918
02:33:37,606 --> 02:33:40,973
Now, Mrs. Kasabian...
1919
02:33:47,115 --> 02:33:51,677
...you testified that when you saw
the shooting of Steven Parent...
1920
02:33:51,853 --> 02:33:54,549
...you went into a state of shock.
1921
02:33:54,823 --> 02:33:59,021
Now, just exactly when
did that state of shock end?
1922
02:34:00,028 --> 02:34:02,428
I don't know when it ended.
1923
02:34:03,398 --> 02:34:06,856
- I don't know if it ever ended.
- Oh!
1924
02:34:07,035 --> 02:34:10,368
And you weren't under the influence
of any drugs, is that right?
1925
02:34:10,539 --> 02:34:12,598
- No.
- You weren't under the influence...
1926
02:34:12,774 --> 02:34:14,674
...of anything, right?
1927
02:34:15,210 --> 02:34:17,770
I was under the influence of Charlie.
1928
02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:21,276
Oh, yes.
1929
02:34:35,964 --> 02:34:39,024
Now, Mrs. Kasabian,
I show you this picture.
1930
02:34:39,201 --> 02:34:40,793
Oh, God.
1931
02:34:40,969 --> 02:34:42,834
Oh, for God's sake.
1932
02:34:44,105 --> 02:34:46,096
Oh, God.
1933
02:34:50,845 --> 02:34:55,748
Mrs. Kasabian, the truth is that you
made up this whole story, didn't you?
1934
02:34:55,917 --> 02:34:57,248
- No.
- Didn't you?
1935
02:34:57,419 --> 02:35:01,014
No. Nobody could make that up.
1936
02:35:01,323 --> 02:35:02,551
Nobody.
1937
02:35:03,758 --> 02:35:06,921
Mrs. Kasabian,
why are you crying right now?
1938
02:35:08,163 --> 02:35:12,190
- Because I just can't believe-
- Believe what, Mrs. Kasabian?
1939
02:35:12,367 --> 02:35:15,359
- That they could do that.
- Oh, that they could do that!
1940
02:35:16,438 --> 02:35:21,671
Not that you could do it, Mrs. Kasabian,
but that they could do it.
1941
02:35:22,010 --> 02:35:26,106
- I know I didn't do that.
- Oh?
1942
02:35:26,615 --> 02:35:29,106
But you were in a state of shock,
weren't you?
1943
02:35:29,284 --> 02:35:31,582
- That's right.
- Then how do you know?
1944
02:35:31,753 --> 02:35:33,880
Because I know.
1945
02:35:34,189 --> 02:35:40,594
I do not have that kind of thing in me,
to do such an animalistic thing.
1946
02:35:42,530 --> 02:35:44,088
Linda...
1947
02:35:44,899 --> 02:35:51,361
...tell me, do you feel that you are
controlled by Mr. Manson's vibrations?
1948
02:35:53,308 --> 02:35:54,536
Possibly.
1949
02:35:56,044 --> 02:35:57,773
Did he put off a lot of vibes?
1950
02:35:59,180 --> 02:36:00,772
Sure.
1951
02:36:01,316 --> 02:36:02,908
He's doing it right now.
1952
02:36:06,288 --> 02:36:09,257
May the record reflect, Your Honor,
that Mr. Manson...
1953
02:36:09,991 --> 02:36:12,118
...is merely sitting there.
1954
02:36:15,563 --> 02:36:18,123
He doesn't seem to be vibrating.
1955
02:36:27,175 --> 02:36:30,872
Your Honor, the president
said we are guilty...
1956
02:36:31,046 --> 02:36:32,980
...so why go on with the trial?
1957
02:36:34,716 --> 02:36:36,877
Would you please repeat your response?
1958
02:36:37,052 --> 02:36:40,488
Her reply was that
Charlie had sent them, yes.
1959
02:36:40,655 --> 02:36:42,782
No further questions, Mr. Jones.
1960
02:36:42,957 --> 02:36:44,686
You may step down, Mr. Jones.
1961
02:36:44,859 --> 02:36:47,726
- May I examine him, Your Honor?
- No, you may not.
1962
02:36:47,929 --> 02:36:51,797
I'm gonna fight for my life,
you might as well let me do it with words.
1963
02:36:52,867 --> 02:36:55,631
If you don't stop,
I'll have to have you removed.
1964
02:36:55,804 --> 02:36:59,638
If you don't stop, I'll have you removed.
I've got a little system.
1965
02:37:01,109 --> 02:37:04,272
- Call the next witness.
- Do you think I'm kidding?
1966
02:37:10,118 --> 02:37:14,487
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
1967
02:37:14,656 --> 02:37:19,025
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
This is the second crucifixion of Christ!
1968
02:37:24,532 --> 02:37:26,830
And the hypocrite...
1969
02:37:34,142 --> 02:37:36,804
Gillespie inquires as to
the judge's state of mind.
1970
02:37:38,380 --> 02:37:41,872
If he'd taken one more step,
I would have defended myself.
1971
02:37:42,283 --> 02:37:47,084
Because of the judge's state of mind,
Gillespie says he has to ask for a mistrial.
1972
02:37:48,556 --> 02:37:51,184
It isn't gonna be that easy, Mr. Gillespie.
1973
02:37:51,359 --> 02:37:54,453
They are not going to profit
from their own wrong.
1974
02:37:54,629 --> 02:37:56,290
Denied.
1975
02:37:56,498 --> 02:37:57,726
Call the next witness.
1976
02:38:00,602 --> 02:38:03,332
The People of the State of California rest.
1977
02:38:06,441 --> 02:38:09,410
- Are you ready to proceed with defense?
- Yes, Your Honor.
1978
02:38:10,278 --> 02:38:12,610
Mr. Gillespie, call your first witness.
1979
02:38:15,583 --> 02:38:18,074
Your Honor, the defendants rest.
1980
02:38:24,125 --> 02:38:27,424
- We wanna testify!
- We wanna testify!
1981
02:38:29,731 --> 02:38:31,665
Let us testify!
1982
02:38:32,700 --> 02:38:34,190
The counsel-
1983
02:38:34,469 --> 02:38:37,700
Older orders counsel into chambers
and demands an explanation.
1984
02:38:46,815 --> 02:38:49,306
- Your Honor-
- I gotta keep them off the stand.
1985
02:38:49,484 --> 02:38:53,318
Our contention is that
their testimony is already perjured...
1986
02:38:53,488 --> 02:38:57,390
...and it would be inadmissible
as perjured evidence.
1987
02:39:01,162 --> 02:39:03,562
There's a split between
attorneys and clients.
1988
02:39:03,731 --> 02:39:06,757
Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten
wish to testify...
1989
02:39:06,935 --> 02:39:10,371
...that they committed the murders
and Manson was not involved.
1990
02:39:10,538 --> 02:39:15,805
The attorneys vehemently oppose this and
want to forestall it by resting the case.
1991
02:39:16,077 --> 02:39:17,544
Gentlemen...
1992
02:39:18,012 --> 02:39:20,412
...defendants are gonna be
allowed to testify.
1993
02:39:20,582 --> 02:39:24,746
The right to testify supersedes
any and all other rights.
1994
02:39:24,919 --> 02:39:28,787
Before the girls are called to the stand,
Manson asks permission to speak.
1995
02:39:28,957 --> 02:39:31,721
Judge Older grants permission,
but it must be made...
1996
02:39:31,893 --> 02:39:34,327
...outside the presence of the jury.
1997
02:39:34,963 --> 02:39:36,760
I never went to school...
1998
02:39:36,931 --> 02:39:40,094
...so I never learned how to
read or write too good.
1999
02:39:40,401 --> 02:39:43,700
And I stayed in jail,
and I stayed stupid...
2000
02:39:44,005 --> 02:39:47,873
...and I stayed a child while
I watched your world grow up.
2001
02:39:49,110 --> 02:39:51,704
And then I look at what you do...
2002
02:39:52,514 --> 02:39:54,744
...and I don't understand.
2003
02:39:56,417 --> 02:39:58,476
You eat meat...
2004
02:39:59,888 --> 02:40:03,585
...and you kill things
that are better than you are...
2005
02:40:04,425 --> 02:40:07,223
...and then you say how bad...
2006
02:40:07,929 --> 02:40:11,160
...or even killers, your children are.
2007
02:40:11,699 --> 02:40:14,862
These children that
come at you with knives.
2008
02:40:15,570 --> 02:40:17,663
They're your children.
2009
02:40:18,406 --> 02:40:21,000
You taught them, I didn't teach them.
2010
02:40:21,509 --> 02:40:24,342
I just tried to help them stand up.
2011
02:40:25,713 --> 02:40:28,580
The people you call my Family...
2012
02:40:28,750 --> 02:40:31,082
...were people you didn't want.
2013
02:40:31,586 --> 02:40:36,182
People alongside the road
that their parents had kicked out.
2014
02:40:36,558 --> 02:40:40,255
So I took them to my garbage dump,
and I fed them...
2015
02:40:40,428 --> 02:40:43,886
...and I taught them that in love,
there's no wrong.
2016
02:40:44,832 --> 02:40:47,266
I can't dislike you...
2017
02:40:47,769 --> 02:40:49,737
...but I can say this to you:
2018
02:40:49,904 --> 02:40:54,204
It's not going to be long before you all
kill yourselves because you're all crazy.
2019
02:40:55,343 --> 02:40:57,834
And you can project it back on me...
2020
02:40:58,413 --> 02:41:03,544
...but I'm only what lives
in each and every one of you.
2021
02:41:05,153 --> 02:41:08,145
My father's a jailhouse.
2022
02:41:08,523 --> 02:41:11,390
My father's your system.
2023
02:41:12,527 --> 02:41:14,791
I'm a reflection of you.
2024
02:41:14,963 --> 02:41:17,329
I'm what you made me.
2025
02:41:18,700 --> 02:41:23,034
I've ate out of your garbage cans
to stay out of jail.
2026
02:41:23,771 --> 02:41:26,831
I've worn your secondhand clothes.
2027
02:41:27,475 --> 02:41:31,309
I've tried my best to get along
in your world...
2028
02:41:31,479 --> 02:41:34,471
...and now you say you wanna kill me.
2029
02:41:34,649 --> 02:41:39,552
And I look at you, and I say to myself,
you wanna kill me.
2030
02:41:39,721 --> 02:41:41,484
I'm already dead!
2031
02:41:41,656 --> 02:41:43,886
I have been all my life.
2032
02:41:44,058 --> 02:41:47,926
I spent 23 years in tombs that you built.
2033
02:41:48,463 --> 02:41:51,694
Sometimes I wanna
give it all back to you.
2034
02:41:53,067 --> 02:41:55,763
Sometimes, I wanna jump on you
and let you shoot me.
2035
02:41:55,937 --> 02:41:59,338
If I could, I'd grab this microphone,
I'd beat your brains out...
2036
02:41:59,507 --> 02:42:02,203
...because that's what you deserve!
2037
02:42:10,418 --> 02:42:12,079
These children...
2038
02:42:12,253 --> 02:42:15,120
...everything they done,
they done for love of brother.
2039
02:42:16,758 --> 02:42:18,783
Is that a conspiracy?
2040
02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:21,185
Is it a conspiracy that the music...
2041
02:42:21,362 --> 02:42:24,661
...is telling the youth to rise up
against the establishment...
2042
02:42:24,832 --> 02:42:30,600
...because the establishment is rapidly
destroying things. Is that a conspiracy?
2043
02:42:31,472 --> 02:42:36,705
The music speaks to you every day, but
you're too deaf, dumb and blind to listen.
2044
02:42:38,112 --> 02:42:40,808
It's not my conspiracy.
2045
02:42:41,182 --> 02:42:42,774
It's not my music.
2046
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:47,387
I hear what it relates.
It says, "Rise. " It says, "Kill. "
2047
02:42:47,555 --> 02:42:51,423
Why blame it on me?
I didn't write the music.
2048
02:43:02,203 --> 02:43:04,501
How can you blame...
2049
02:43:04,872 --> 02:43:07,864
...what you do on your children?
2050
02:43:11,212 --> 02:43:13,237
And what about your children, huh?
2051
02:43:13,881 --> 02:43:15,280
What about them?
2052
02:43:15,450 --> 02:43:19,386
You say they're just a few.
Well, there are many, many more.
2053
02:43:19,554 --> 02:43:25,550
And they're running in the streets,
all in the same direction, right at you!
2054
02:43:32,767 --> 02:43:36,032
- Amen.
- Amen, Charlie. Right on, Charlie.
2055
02:43:37,205 --> 02:43:39,901
- Amen!
- Amen!
2056
02:43:40,074 --> 02:43:43,237
Amen! Right on, Charlie!
2057
02:43:46,781 --> 02:43:49,215
You don't have to testify.
2058
02:44:10,671 --> 02:44:13,902
- Has been serving as defense counsel
for Leslie Van Houten...
2059
02:44:14,075 --> 02:44:17,135
...one of the defendants
in the Tate-LaBianca murder trial.
2060
02:44:17,311 --> 02:44:20,769
Milik is believed to have spent
the weekend on a camping trip...
2061
02:44:20,948 --> 02:44:26,284
...to Sespe Hot Springs, rugged terrain
some 130 miles northwest of Los Angeles.
2062
02:44:26,454 --> 02:44:29,355
He may have been stranded there
because of flooding.
2063
02:44:29,524 --> 02:44:31,788
His absence may delay-
2064
02:44:32,193 --> 02:44:34,525
And then again, he may not have been.
2065
02:44:35,196 --> 02:44:37,460
Hi, honey. How does this sound?
2066
02:44:37,632 --> 02:44:40,100
"Everett Scoville,
the Toscanini of tedium...
2067
02:44:40,268 --> 02:44:43,101
...has accused the prosecution
of tying up the court. "
2068
02:44:43,271 --> 02:44:45,432
"Toscanini of tedium"? I like it.
2069
02:44:45,606 --> 02:44:49,372
I thought you said he was the most
effective of all the defense counsel.
2070
02:44:49,544 --> 02:44:51,273
He has been.
2071
02:44:57,018 --> 02:44:59,953
Vince, do you think Mr. Milik
would maybe stay away...
2072
02:45:00,121 --> 02:45:02,248
...to sabotage the trial?
2073
02:45:03,558 --> 02:45:07,551
No, sweetheart. He's not the type.
2074
02:45:12,867 --> 02:45:15,927
And, Your Honor, on the photograph
to the left of that...
2075
02:45:16,103 --> 02:45:21,268
...it's quite obvious that the Tate house
itself was entered.
2076
02:45:21,442 --> 02:45:24,775
That's part of the process by which
we're introducing testimony.
2077
02:45:24,946 --> 02:45:29,246
You're the murderer.
You're the leader of the "Pig Murder Gang. "
2078
02:45:29,417 --> 02:45:31,282
What did you do with my attorney?
2079
02:45:31,452 --> 02:45:33,943
- What'd you do with him?
- Remove the defendants!
2080
02:45:34,589 --> 02:45:35,817
We're gonna get you!
2081
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:41,223
Your guts are gonna fall out, Older!
You're not gonna get any older, Older!
2082
02:45:48,636 --> 02:45:51,469
Help me!
2083
02:45:53,574 --> 02:45:59,308
No American court is required to submit
to this kind of nonsense day after day.
2084
02:46:00,147 --> 02:46:05,881
The defendants will not be allowed to
return for the remainder of the guilt trial.
2085
02:46:07,088 --> 02:46:12,617
And Linda Kasabian testified that Watson
shot Steven Parent four times.
2086
02:46:12,793 --> 02:46:17,287
You heard expert medical testimony
that Parent had been shot four times.
2087
02:46:17,465 --> 02:46:20,400
- Testified my ass.
- Pig! You lying whore!
2088
02:46:20,568 --> 02:46:24,163
- Pig!
- Yeah, she really testified, all right.
2089
02:46:25,273 --> 02:46:30,802
Linda Kasabian testified that Parent had
slumped over toward the passenger side...
2090
02:46:31,112 --> 02:46:35,742
...and you saw police photographs showing
Parent slumped toward the passenger side.
2091
02:46:36,751 --> 02:46:42,951
Forty-five instances where other evidence
confirms Linda Kasabian's testimony.
2092
02:46:44,825 --> 02:46:49,353
Ladies and gentlemen, we are all
very privileged in this courtroom...
2093
02:46:49,764 --> 02:46:53,165
...because we have been enlightened
by a new society...
2094
02:46:53,834 --> 02:46:56,564
...led by a new Jesus Christ...
2095
02:46:56,737 --> 02:46:58,898
...who is none other than Charles Manson.
2096
02:47:01,075 --> 02:47:03,771
We've even learned a new commandment:
2097
02:47:04,412 --> 02:47:09,213
Thou shalt love thy neighbor
by killing thy neighbor.
2098
02:47:10,318 --> 02:47:14,516
We've seen young people become
disciples of this new Christ...
2099
02:47:14,689 --> 02:47:16,520
...by slaughtering human beings...
2100
02:47:16,691 --> 02:47:20,422
...for the mere pleasure
and the excitement of it.
2101
02:47:22,229 --> 02:47:24,857
We've learned how this new Christ...
2102
02:47:25,032 --> 02:47:28,229
...will lead his chosen people
out of the desert...
2103
02:47:28,569 --> 02:47:31,732
...followed by the enslaved black man.
2104
02:47:34,408 --> 02:47:35,636
No.
2105
02:47:35,810 --> 02:47:38,142
What we have learned,
ladies and gentleman...
2106
02:47:38,312 --> 02:47:43,944
...is that this new Christ is not
Charles Manson, but Charles Con Man.
2107
02:47:45,086 --> 02:47:48,249
That's the religion he knows very well...
2108
02:47:48,656 --> 02:47:51,386
...and the one over which he is the leader.
2109
02:47:52,760 --> 02:47:55,957
And are we supposed to pity this con man...
2110
02:47:56,130 --> 02:47:59,156
...who has ordered at least seven murders?
2111
02:48:00,468 --> 02:48:04,336
Are we to pity him for tying up the hands
of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca...
2112
02:48:04,672 --> 02:48:08,802
...so they could be brutally butchered
a little more neatly, more orderly?
2113
02:48:09,143 --> 02:48:14,103
Are we to pity this Family leader
whose hero was Adolf Hitler...
2114
02:48:14,749 --> 02:48:19,015
...who had ordered the mass murder
of six million Jews?
2115
02:48:30,231 --> 02:48:34,998
On the hot summer night
of August the 8th, 1969...
2116
02:48:35,469 --> 02:48:37,562
...Charles Manson...
2117
02:48:37,805 --> 02:48:40,239
...the Mephistophelean guru...
2118
02:48:40,408 --> 02:48:45,778
...who raped and bastardized the minds
of all those who gave themselves to him...
2119
02:48:46,113 --> 02:48:49,810
...sent out from the fires of hell
at Spahn Ranch...
2120
02:48:49,984 --> 02:48:54,387
...three heartless, bloodthirsty robots...
2121
02:48:56,390 --> 02:48:58,483
...and unfortunately for him...
2122
02:48:59,627 --> 02:49:01,788
...one human being...
2123
02:49:02,630 --> 02:49:04,757
...little Linda Kasabian.
2124
02:49:07,234 --> 02:49:09,327
What resulted that night...
2125
02:49:09,503 --> 02:49:12,301
...was perhaps the most inhuman...
2126
02:49:12,473 --> 02:49:16,273
...nightmarish, horror-filled hour
of savage murder...
2127
02:49:16,444 --> 02:49:20,346
...and human slaughter
in the recorded annals of crime.
2128
02:49:21,816 --> 02:49:27,721
As the helpless, defenseless victims begged
and screamed into the night for their lives...
2129
02:49:28,422 --> 02:49:33,621
...their lifeblood gushed from their bodies,
forming rivers of gore.
2130
02:49:35,763 --> 02:49:37,628
If they could have...
2131
02:49:37,965 --> 02:49:41,992
...I'm sure that Watson,
Atkins, Krenwinkel...
2132
02:49:42,169 --> 02:49:45,138
...would gladly have swum
in that river of blood...
2133
02:49:45,306 --> 02:49:48,833
...and with orgasmic ecstasy
on their faces.
2134
02:49:50,978 --> 02:49:54,470
Susan Atkins, the Vampira...
2135
02:49:54,748 --> 02:49:57,911
...actually tasted Sharon Tate's blood.
2136
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:05,381
On the very next night, Leslie Van Houten
joined the group of murderers.
2137
02:50:06,827 --> 02:50:10,786
And this time it was poor
Leno and Rosemary LaBianca...
2138
02:50:11,332 --> 02:50:16,929
...who were brutally butchered to satisfy
Charles Manson's homicidal madness.
2139
02:50:17,104 --> 02:50:18,731
Ladies and gentlemen...
2140
02:50:18,906 --> 02:50:24,105
...in a capital case in California,
the trial is divided into two phases.
2141
02:50:24,578 --> 02:50:29,038
Now, the first phase, with which
we are dealing now, is the guilt phase.
2142
02:50:29,583 --> 02:50:32,984
We are not asking you to decide
in the extent of the punishment.
2143
02:50:33,154 --> 02:50:35,714
That comes in the second phase.
2144
02:50:36,090 --> 02:50:40,151
The People of the State of California
are asking you at this time...
2145
02:50:40,327 --> 02:50:42,261
...to review the evidence...
2146
02:50:42,429 --> 02:50:45,830
...and decide whether the prosecution
has met its legal burden...
2147
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:48,332
...of proving the guilt of these defendants.
2148
02:50:48,769 --> 02:50:53,502
And based upon the evidence you heard
from that witness stand...
2149
02:50:53,774 --> 02:50:57,938
...not only isn't there any
reasonable doubt as to their guilt...
2150
02:50:58,112 --> 02:51:00,376
...which is our only burden...
2151
02:51:01,515 --> 02:51:05,246
...but there can be no doubt whatsoever
of their guilt.
2152
02:51:11,125 --> 02:51:13,685
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...
2153
02:51:16,163 --> 02:51:18,188
...Sharon Tate...
2154
02:51:20,868 --> 02:51:22,802
...Jay Sebring...
2155
02:51:25,272 --> 02:51:27,467
...Abigail Folger...
2156
02:51:30,211 --> 02:51:32,543
...Voytek Frykowski...
2157
02:51:34,615 --> 02:51:36,674
...Steven Parent...
2158
02:51:39,320 --> 02:51:41,618
...Leno LaBianca...
2159
02:51:43,557 --> 02:51:46,219
...and Rosemary LaBianca...
2160
02:51:47,795 --> 02:51:51,094
...are not here with us now
in this courtroom.
2161
02:51:53,400 --> 02:51:56,267
But from their graves...
2162
02:51:58,472 --> 02:52:01,464
...they cry out for justice!
2163
02:52:05,312 --> 02:52:07,143
And justice can only be done...
2164
02:52:07,314 --> 02:52:11,512
...by your returning to this courtroom
with a verdict of guilty.
2165
02:52:17,758 --> 02:52:20,226
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...
2166
02:52:20,394 --> 02:52:25,593
...this trial has been an enormous imposition
on all of your personal, private lives.
2167
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:30,528
And on behalf of the People of the State of
California, I want to thank you very much...
2168
02:52:30,704 --> 02:52:34,504
...for the patience and attention you've
shown throughout these proceedings.
2169
02:52:35,509 --> 02:52:37,977
You've been an exemplary jury.
2170
02:52:38,979 --> 02:52:44,474
The plaintiff in this trial is
the People of the State of California.
2171
02:52:45,252 --> 02:52:49,120
And I have all the confidence in the world
that you won't let them down.
2172
02:52:51,592 --> 02:52:53,082
Thank you.
2173
02:53:08,008 --> 02:53:09,532
Hello?
2174
02:53:09,810 --> 02:53:12,711
This is Mrs. Bugliosi, may I help you?
2175
02:53:13,047 --> 02:53:14,446
Who?
2176
02:53:15,115 --> 02:53:17,549
It's the clerk of the court.
2177
02:53:18,686 --> 02:53:20,119
Hello?
2178
02:53:20,587 --> 02:53:21,952
Yeah.
2179
02:53:23,190 --> 02:53:24,987
Yeah, I'll be right there. Thanks.
2180
02:53:25,159 --> 02:53:28,219
Jury's reached a verdict.
Older wants to see the attorneys.
2181
02:53:28,395 --> 02:53:30,363
Dress warmly. You have a temperature.
2182
02:53:30,531 --> 02:53:33,329
Honey, I've been aiming for
this moment for 14 months.
2183
02:53:57,858 --> 02:54:00,588
All jurors and alternates are present.
2184
02:54:00,761 --> 02:54:03,025
All counsel but Mr. Milik are present.
2185
02:54:03,430 --> 02:54:05,330
The defendants are present.
2186
02:54:05,999 --> 02:54:09,366
Mr. Tubick, has the jury reached a verdict?
2187
02:54:09,536 --> 02:54:10,935
Yes, Your Honor, we have.
2188
02:54:11,105 --> 02:54:14,074
Would you hand the verdict forms
to the bailiff?
2189
02:54:22,883 --> 02:54:24,714
Will the defendants please rise?
2190
02:54:25,586 --> 02:54:27,349
The clerk will read the verdicts.
2191
02:54:27,988 --> 02:54:30,855
January 25, 1971...
2192
02:54:31,024 --> 02:54:36,462
...17 months and 17 days after the murders
of the seven Tate and LaBianca victims.
2193
02:54:36,630 --> 02:54:39,121
"In Superior Court of
the State of California...
2194
02:54:39,299 --> 02:54:41,233
...for the County of Los Angeles...
2195
02:54:41,635 --> 02:54:45,002
...the People of the State of
California v. Charles Manson...
2196
02:54:45,172 --> 02:54:49,233
...Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins
and Leslie Van Houten...
2197
02:54:49,410 --> 02:54:54,746
...case number A-253156,
Department 104...
2198
02:54:55,382 --> 02:54:59,375
...we, the jury, in the above entitled action,
find the defendant...
2199
02:54:59,553 --> 02:55:03,148
...Charles Manson, guilty of the crime
of murder of Abigail Folger...
2200
02:55:03,323 --> 02:55:07,157
...in violation of Section 187,
Penal Code of California.
2201
02:55:07,528 --> 02:55:10,395
A felony, as charged in count one
of the indictment...
2202
02:55:10,564 --> 02:55:14,364
...and we further find it to be
murder of the first degree. "
2203
02:55:15,202 --> 02:55:18,262
Susan Atkins, guilty of
conspiracy to commit murder...
2204
02:55:18,439 --> 02:55:21,033
...and seven counts of
murder in the first degree.
2205
02:55:21,208 --> 02:55:24,006
Leslie Van Houten,
conspiracy to commit murder...
2206
02:55:24,178 --> 02:55:26,669
...and two counts of
murder in the first degree.
2207
02:55:26,847 --> 02:55:30,112
Patricia Krenwinkel, guilty of
conspiracy to commit murder...
2208
02:55:30,284 --> 02:55:33,082
...and seven counts of murder
in the first degree.
2209
02:55:35,155 --> 02:55:37,146
The penalty phase of the trial begins.
2210
02:55:37,324 --> 02:55:41,283
The issue is whether they will receive
life in prison or the death penalty.
2211
02:55:41,462 --> 02:55:43,794
The defense seeks
to bring circumstances...
2212
02:55:43,964 --> 02:55:48,492
...background, remorse and the possibility
of rehabilitation to the jury's attention.
2213
02:55:48,669 --> 02:55:50,136
Susan...
2214
02:55:50,838 --> 02:55:55,901
...were you personally involved with
the Tate and LaBianca homicides?
2215
02:55:59,379 --> 02:56:00,607
Yes.
2216
02:56:01,849 --> 02:56:04,579
Did you ever feel any remorse?
2217
02:56:06,487 --> 02:56:08,216
Remorse?
2218
02:56:08,489 --> 02:56:10,980
For doing what was right to me?
2219
02:56:13,327 --> 02:56:15,818
I have no guilt in me.
2220
02:56:19,199 --> 02:56:24,660
Leslie, do you feel as if you wanted
to cry for what happened?
2221
02:56:27,774 --> 02:56:29,833
Cry for her death?
2222
02:56:30,010 --> 02:56:31,375
Why?
2223
02:56:31,545 --> 02:56:33,809
She's not the only person who has died.
2224
02:56:34,648 --> 02:56:37,116
Well, do you think about it
from time to time?
2225
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,852
Only when I'm in the courtroom.
2226
02:56:57,538 --> 02:56:59,335
I'm the devil...
2227
02:56:59,506 --> 02:57:01,633
...and the devil always shaves his head.
2228
02:57:02,709 --> 02:57:03,937
Bugliosi...
2229
02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:06,906
...if I get the death penalty...
2230
02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:10,106
...there's gonna be bloodletting,
because I won't take it.
2231
02:57:10,284 --> 02:57:14,914
There's already been a lot of bloodletting,
Charlie. That's what we're trying to stop.
2232
02:57:20,961 --> 02:57:22,326
Vince.
2233
02:57:23,864 --> 02:57:25,764
Did you hear about Terry Milik?
2234
02:57:25,933 --> 02:57:30,063
They found him, face-down in a pool of
water with his head wedged under a rock.
2235
02:57:30,237 --> 02:57:32,535
And that's only the beginning.
2236
02:57:37,711 --> 02:57:41,613
I don't see how you people do this
without letting me put up some defense.
2237
02:57:41,782 --> 02:57:46,617
You people ain't got no authority over me!
Half of you in here ain't as good as I am!
2238
02:57:46,787 --> 02:57:48,755
You ain't gonna outlive this, old man!
2239
02:57:48,922 --> 02:57:52,323
You ain't gonna outlive this, old man!
You're gonna die, you hear?
2240
02:57:52,492 --> 02:57:55,586
You're gonna die!
You're gonna die!
2241
02:57:56,296 --> 02:57:58,196
You're gonna die!
2242
02:57:58,799 --> 02:58:03,099
"We, the jury, in the above entitled action,
having found the defendant...
2243
02:58:03,270 --> 02:58:06,068
...guilty of murder in the first degree...
2244
02:58:06,239 --> 02:58:08,673
...as charged in count one
of the indictment...
2245
02:58:08,842 --> 02:58:11,709
...do now fix the penalty as death. "
2246
02:58:12,412 --> 02:58:14,175
You have just judged yourselves.
2247
02:58:14,348 --> 02:58:17,181
You better lock your doors
and watch your own kids.
2248
02:58:17,351 --> 02:58:19,785
Your system's a game,
you blind, stupid people.
2249
02:58:19,953 --> 02:58:22,046
Your children will turn against you.
2250
02:58:22,222 --> 02:58:24,656
It's death for all defendants.
2251
02:58:25,325 --> 02:58:28,556
Death! That's what you're all gonna get!
2252
02:58:39,139 --> 02:58:41,039
Mr. Bugliosi?
2253
02:58:41,808 --> 02:58:43,173
Yeah, Charlie.
2254
02:58:43,343 --> 02:58:45,573
Can I talk to you for a minute?
2255
02:58:45,912 --> 02:58:49,211
- We're gonna get him upstairs, Mr. Bugliosi.
- That's okay, Joe.
2256
02:58:49,383 --> 02:58:51,817
I don't think we'll be
seeing each other again.
2257
02:58:56,089 --> 02:58:58,489
I don't have no hard feelings.
2258
02:58:59,192 --> 02:59:00,921
Thank you, Charlie.
2259
02:59:01,128 --> 02:59:03,596
You done a remarkable job.
2260
02:59:03,964 --> 02:59:07,456
You gave me a fair trial,
just like you promised.
2261
02:59:08,435 --> 02:59:11,598
And I ain't bitter about
having to go back in.
2262
02:59:11,938 --> 02:59:14,736
It's always been my home anyhow.
2263
02:59:15,075 --> 02:59:17,134
What about death, Charlie?
2264
02:59:17,411 --> 02:59:19,140
What about it?
2265
02:59:20,047 --> 02:59:23,107
I told you, I'm already dead.
2266
02:59:24,051 --> 02:59:27,316
And while I'm waiting around
to take the other form...
2267
02:59:27,788 --> 02:59:31,417
...I got steady chow. It ain't great,
but it's better than garbage.
2268
02:59:32,526 --> 02:59:36,792
I don't gotta work if I don't want to,
so I got plenty of time to play my guitar.
2269
02:59:37,497 --> 02:59:39,192
You know...
2270
02:59:40,200 --> 02:59:42,532
...you beat a man with a whip...
2271
02:59:43,003 --> 02:59:45,130
...and he likes the whip...
2272
02:59:48,075 --> 02:59:51,272
...you're just making a fool
out of yourself, partner.
2273
02:59:52,446 --> 02:59:56,815
- Aren't you gonna miss the girls?
- I don't need broads.
2274
02:59:57,084 --> 02:59:59,314
There's plenty of sex in prison.
2275
03:00:00,654 --> 03:00:03,145
You still think the black man's
gonna take over?
2276
03:00:04,791 --> 03:00:07,555
I may have put a clog in that one.
2277
03:00:08,295 --> 03:00:11,059
In other words, the trial alerted whitey.
2278
03:00:11,598 --> 03:00:13,122
Yeah.
2279
03:00:13,667 --> 03:00:17,330
But I almost did it, didn't I?
I almost pulled it off, almost made it.
2280
03:00:18,338 --> 03:00:20,499
No, Charlie, you weren't even close.
2281
03:00:21,274 --> 03:00:23,902
You killed some people,
that's what you did.
2282
03:00:24,077 --> 03:00:25,908
You accomplished murder.
2283
03:00:26,179 --> 03:00:30,616
You took a bunch of sad kids,
human flotsam...
2284
03:00:30,784 --> 03:00:33,378
...and you played
jailhouse games on them.
2285
03:00:33,954 --> 03:00:35,387
That's it, Charlie.
2286
03:00:35,555 --> 03:00:37,955
You're not even important anymore.
2287
03:00:59,546 --> 03:01:02,242
On February 18th, 1972...
2288
03:01:02,415 --> 03:01:07,318
...the California State Supreme Court voted
to abolish the death penalty in California.
2289
03:01:07,487 --> 03:01:10,650
The death sentences of the killers
in the Manson Family...
2290
03:01:10,824 --> 03:01:13,725
...were automatically reduced
to life imprisonment.
2291
03:01:13,894 --> 03:01:15,361
Manson himself...
2292
03:01:15,529 --> 03:01:20,262
...becomes eligible to apply
for parole in 1978.
2293
03:01:21,535 --> 03:01:26,063
Susan Atkins, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2294
03:01:26,907 --> 03:01:31,742
Patricia Krenwinkel, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2295
03:01:32,979 --> 03:01:37,348
Leslie Van Houten, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2296
03:01:38,018 --> 03:01:43,251
Charles Tex Watson, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2297
03:01:43,790 --> 03:01:48,523
Bobby Beausoleil, murderer,
eligible to apply for parole in 1978.
2298
03:01:49,162 --> 03:01:52,620
Meanwhile, other Family members,
some implicated in one or more...
2299
03:01:52,799 --> 03:01:55,666
...of the 35 killings admitted
by Charles Manson...
2300
03:01:55,836 --> 03:01:59,203
...are right now either at liberty
or awaiting parole.
2301
03:02:02,442 --> 03:02:04,637
With Charles Manson in jail...
2302
03:02:04,811 --> 03:02:08,144
...does an era of madness
now come to an end?
2303
03:02:08,448 --> 03:02:12,612
Or will the social compost heap
from which he sprang produce other...
2304
03:02:12,786 --> 03:02:16,278
...perhaps more virulent strains
of Mansonism?
2305
03:02:17,023 --> 03:02:20,891
Are there many more?
Perhaps hundreds, or even thousands...
2306
03:02:21,061 --> 03:02:25,930
...of young Mansons germinating in
the same hotbed that gave birth to Charlie?
2307
03:02:26,099 --> 03:02:30,832
And will they be more antisocial,
more aberrant than the original?201249
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