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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,760 My name is Jared Jacobson, and my father is Jerry Jerome Jacobson. 2 00:01:50,430 --> 00:01:55,230 Come here, boys. Come here. Bailey, come here. 3 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,770 I grew up in Miami. Once my mom got divorced from him, he cut all ties. 4 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:05,320 I was three years old when they got divorced. 5 00:02:05,490 --> 00:02:10,780 So this is a picture of me as a baby with my dad and my mom's dad. 6 00:02:10,870 --> 00:02:14,490 My mom called him and requested for back child support when I was 13, 7 00:02:14,660 --> 00:02:16,910 and that's when he popped on the radar. 8 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,870 That's when I really met him for the first time. 9 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,960 During the summer, I would go fly up to Atlanta and spend 10 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:27,300 three or four weeks up there with him, getting to know him a little bit. 11 00:02:27,380 --> 00:02:30,340 I believe he was living with Alison. 12 00:02:30,430 --> 00:02:35,520 This is a picture of the wedding party when my dad and Linda got married. 13 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,180 That's my mom in the picture with me and him. 14 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:42,230 I think it's one of the only pictures I had with the three of us together. 15 00:02:42,310 --> 00:02:44,360 My mom is Carol Cody. 16 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,900 Do you remember if she was the first wife? Second wife? 17 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:54,370 I was his third marriage. Really, I was his fourth. 18 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:58,200 Out of I think we counted seven. 19 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:01,170 Wait a minute. Phyllis, Carol, 20 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,880 Daryl, me, 21 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Alison, and Linda. He's been married six times. 22 00:03:13,850 --> 00:03:19,020 If he was married with that marriage license down in Miami, it's seven. 23 00:03:20,350 --> 00:03:24,900 The first time I got the text about the possibility of a documentary series 24 00:03:26,270 --> 00:03:30,530 within two minutes, I got a phone call saying, 25 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:35,990 "Hey, if anybody calls or talks to you 26 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,910 or wants to talk about this thing, don't do it." 27 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:49,050 I'm not gonna call him and ask permission to do this with you, guys. 28 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:53,300 I think this is my way of... 29 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:57,850 Having maybe a little bit of closure. 30 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,610 This is definitely gonna put the nail in the coffin for our relationship. 31 00:04:08,270 --> 00:04:10,990 And you know what? I'm okay with it. 32 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,740 MCMILLIONS 33 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:28,650 I tried to keep my mouth shut but it didn't work. 34 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:34,030 I knew that I had to do something. She was gonna run with the money. 35 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,840 So, the FBI said you threatened to kill her. 36 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:02,720 - Did you talk to your wife about it? - No. I didn't threaten to kill her. 37 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:06,430 I just told my wife, "We can't do this in the airport." 38 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:10,980 I meant we can't confront her in the airport. 39 00:06:11,060 --> 00:06:16,360 I didn't mean anything other than we cannot confront her in the airport. 40 00:06:17,530 --> 00:06:21,320 Turned out to be a misunderstanding, but you still have to run it out 41 00:06:21,490 --> 00:06:23,450 to make sure. 42 00:06:23,530 --> 00:06:27,290 The long and short of it is it wasn't a valid threat. 43 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:33,460 Right after that, my wife took her sister to the bank to cash the check 44 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:36,630 and was attached at the hips 45 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:41,510 with her until she did the right thing with the money. Yeah. 46 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:48,480 So after that airport drama we started to focus on Dwight even more. 47 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,310 So were up on these wiretaps. 48 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,650 And Rick and I hear something's happening with Uncle Jerry. 49 00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:59,950 A phone call was intercepted between Jacobson and Dwight Baker. 50 00:07:00,030 --> 00:07:02,280 The conversation was that Jacobson and Dwight 51 00:07:02,450 --> 00:07:06,160 were going to meet for the exchange of a winning piece. 52 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,210 That exchange was going to happen somewhere in Georgia. 53 00:07:10,290 --> 00:07:15,670 They say on the phone, "I'll be there in an hour and fifteen minutes," 54 00:07:15,750 --> 00:07:18,210 or something like that. We had that window. 55 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:21,760 They didn't name the place where they were gonna meet but they gave hints. 56 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:22,890 The usual place. 57 00:07:22,970 --> 00:07:25,140 - You mean along the highway? - Yeah. Along the highway. 58 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:27,430 So we hurried up, we got on the maps, 59 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,230 and we figured out that it was somewhere along 85 near Atlanta. 60 00:07:31,310 --> 00:07:36,230 We had a certain area, but we didn't know. We thought but we weren't sure. 61 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,530 So I got on the phone with Atlanta to tell them, 62 00:07:38,690 --> 00:07:42,400 "Hey, this is what's coming up." So they were cued up and ready. 63 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:44,990 They mobilized quick. 64 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:48,240 They had to get there and get visual. 65 00:07:48,410 --> 00:07:54,420 Then we had air support, surveillance group down in their cars. 66 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:58,750 We're looking at rest areas, places on the side of the road, everywhere. 67 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,460 It was on. 68 00:08:01,340 --> 00:08:04,800 I remember looking at this golf resort north of Atlanta. 69 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:08,390 It's got to be this place. Seems to be about halfway. It's got to be. 70 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:28,910 Where would you guys meet? Would you go to his house? 71 00:08:28,990 --> 00:08:33,620 We met at his house one time, Chateau Elan, 72 00:08:33,710 --> 00:08:36,380 a winery between here and there. It's halfway. 73 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:39,090 FBI surveillance Chateau Elan 74 00:08:39,170 --> 00:08:44,010 Sometimes we'd eat, or we'd sat in the car and trade and trade money. 75 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:45,630 Yeah. 76 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:51,310 We had an FBI pilot up in the air, 77 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:57,860 and could see Mr. Jacobson handing Mr. Baker something in a folder. 78 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:03,570 And there it was. And off they go. 79 00:09:17,790 --> 00:09:23,050 The video evidence speaks volumes of the illegal acts they were doing. 80 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:25,920 It's pretty short but sweet. 81 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:27,180 We got you now. 82 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,900 It was about the end of the summer, and the game is ending. 83 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:46,570 We weren't gonna have another game. We already have identified Jerry. 84 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:52,700 We had identified Mr. Baker in fair play. We had identified Mr. Glomb. 85 00:09:52,790 --> 00:09:56,040 We had identified and videoed Mr. Hoover. 86 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:58,000 And we had several others. 87 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:08,050 Devereaux is good. He's laying out the indictment, the arrest warrants. 88 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:11,090 We're gonna take this through the grand jury, get the true bills 89 00:10:11,180 --> 00:10:16,310 which is the indictment, and we're gonna go out and effect these arrests. 90 00:10:16,390 --> 00:10:22,310 In this case, the charges were conspiracy and mail fraud. 91 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,730 If you use the United States mail 92 00:10:24,820 --> 00:10:28,450 in furtherance of a scheme and artifice to defraud, 93 00:10:28,530 --> 00:10:31,870 that's penalized by up to 20 years in prison. 94 00:10:34,490 --> 00:10:38,790 The initial stage was the indictment of the first eight. 95 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:43,290 So the first thing that was gonna make the news, and alert all the winners 96 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:48,920 that, "Hey, the gig is over," was the end of August, August 21st. 97 00:10:49,010 --> 00:10:51,640 Everybody was spread across the country, 98 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,810 and so we ended up having to request the assistance of numerous offices 99 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:59,940 spread entirely across the United States. 100 00:11:00,020 --> 00:11:06,320 You have to provide those agents enough information to make arrests. 101 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,320 So in anticipation of the takedown, 102 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,780 we had prepared a very, very lengthy communication. 103 00:11:12,950 --> 00:11:16,450 So it's our whole plan. It's the background of the investigation. 104 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:21,460 This communication was probably 20 or 30 pages long. 105 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:27,340 Very, very specific, in-depth. Puts you right there. Everything. 106 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:35,890 We faxed it. And I'm not going to say who did it. I'll say I didn't, but 107 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:40,640 there may have been somebody I know closely that did it that would deny it. 108 00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:42,940 Doesn't matter who it was, but... 109 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:47,650 On the speed dial, which I never use speed dial... 110 00:11:47,730 --> 00:11:53,860 The agents sending that plan thought the speed dial and faxed Greenville FBI 111 00:11:54,030 --> 00:11:56,780 when in fact it said The Greenville News. 112 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:08,340 It ended up being probably the worst person in the world, a news agency. 113 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:14,590 This is a big issue now, right? Like all the stuff's out there. 114 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,890 Now, you got people that might be waiting on agents to come arrest them. 115 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:19,810 It's bad, bad, bad. 116 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,610 Rick Dent's big head was sweating bad. Devereaux was sweating it. 117 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:29,980 Chris Graham was losing weight over that. 118 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:34,650 I remember being really, really angry about it. 119 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:37,700 How in the world, you know? How could this happen? 120 00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:45,170 Now it's, "How do we fix it? How do we keep them from going with the story?" 121 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:50,000 After all this work, this could really screw things up. 122 00:13:04,270 --> 00:13:06,690 My name is John Boyanoski. In 2001, 123 00:13:06,850 --> 00:13:09,980 I was a reporter for The Greenville News. 124 00:13:10,070 --> 00:13:14,320 I've been there six or seven months. I was the crime and court's reporter. 125 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,660 So anything bad happened, anything that had 126 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:21,660 an official-looking document that came across the fax, would come to my desk. 127 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:27,170 I came down Monday morning, and there was a stapled thing on my chair. 128 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:29,290 And I picked it up and I saw FBI on it. 129 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:32,130 Three paragraphs in, I'm thinking, "This doesn't sound right." 130 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:35,380 This is an open investigation. You're talking about surveillance in here. 131 00:13:35,470 --> 00:13:39,090 I thought, "It's the background, no, they're..." I started flipping through, 132 00:13:39,180 --> 00:13:42,390 and it's all surveillance stuff and background information. 133 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:46,850 "I don't think this is supposed to be going to Boyanoski and The Greenville." 134 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:50,020 I remember I turned around my chair and I got my boss. I'm like, "Dave, 135 00:13:50,110 --> 00:13:54,400 did you look at this? Where did this come from?" I looked at him like, 136 00:13:54,570 --> 00:13:57,740 "Dave, I think we have an open FBI investigation." 137 00:13:57,820 --> 00:14:01,070 He's like, "What?" When he start looking at it, his eyes go like this. 138 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,530 I'm 24 years old. 139 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:05,580 I'm trying to make a name for myself, and I wanna write a story. I'm like, 140 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:08,370 "Yeah," you know? Exclusive. 141 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:12,840 McDonald's investigation. FBI are looking into a big fraud case. 142 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,710 So Mark Devereaux's first response was 143 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,760 just jump in the bureau plane and slide down to South Carolina. 144 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,430 Each office surveillance squad has usually a Cessna 160 or something. 145 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,890 If you're ever in a Volkswagen bug in the early '70s, 146 00:14:28,060 --> 00:14:30,560 it's like a lawnmower in the sky. 147 00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:33,940 I'm looking at that going, "No way in hell I wanna be a part of that again." 148 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:38,610 Devereaux being in that controlled-ass environment with him and a Tide bottle, 149 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:41,070 that's the only way you got to pee, can you imagine that? 150 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,580 That's an awful situation to be in. 151 00:14:43,660 --> 00:14:49,210 Literally, we get in a plane, fly from Jacksonville to South Carolina 152 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:52,500 to do our best to ensure that 153 00:14:52,580 --> 00:14:58,010 faux pas didn't cause a significant embarrassment. 154 00:14:58,090 --> 00:14:59,840 That plane sucked. 155 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,270 I can tell you, at that point in time, 156 00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:12,810 that news agency had no requirement to keep it quiet. 157 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:16,820 We did beg, plead asking them if they would be kind enough 158 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:20,400 basically to keep that to themselves. 159 00:15:20,490 --> 00:15:24,280 There was a little bit of, "What are we gonna get for it?" 160 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:30,160 Can't say we bribed them, but I will say that we gave them an opportunity 161 00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:35,170 to be able to take a photograph possibly 162 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:39,710 following the arrest in connection with the investigation. 163 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Their thing was, "If you could just give us the exclusive." 164 00:15:43,010 --> 00:15:45,680 It was something, at least, to sweeten the deal 165 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,640 and thank them for covering up the mistake that Special Agent Mathews, 166 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:55,020 I didn't say that, may have made. 167 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,980 So I wanna say, now that I'm saying it and remembering all this, 168 00:15:58,070 --> 00:16:02,200 it was not me that faxed that freaking thing over. It was somebody else. 169 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,160 I can promise you every time I'd use a fax machine, 170 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,580 I check it not once, not twice, but at least three times. 171 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:16,290 If anybody ever knew how close this was just to blowing up, 172 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:20,420 I know that those subjects who may see this, would go, 173 00:16:20,510 --> 00:16:24,970 "Damn it. How did that not happen?" Too bad, right? It didn't. 174 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:27,800 We were the good guys. It always works better for the good guys. 175 00:16:27,890 --> 00:16:31,180 We always find a way. Which is what I'm saying happened there. 176 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,740 The night before Attorney General Ashcroft 177 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:48,830 gave us the go-ahead to take the action. 178 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:55,750 Day of the takedown, it's a very early morning. 179 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,210 5:00 in the morning, you're getting up and making sure everybody's ready. 180 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:02,550 Regardless of whether you believe that person is violent or not, 181 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:04,840 you still have to be very careful as to your tactical approach 182 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,220 anytime that you engage in the arrest of an individual because 183 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,930 you're taking away their liberties and they pretty much know that. 184 00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:14,730 The arrests were scheduled to all go down at the same time 185 00:17:14,810 --> 00:17:16,940 so that there won't be conversation. 186 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:21,610 And Jacksonville sent agents to each location, 187 00:17:21,690 --> 00:17:26,280 so that somebody that's familiar with the case will be able to be there 188 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:27,660 to help with the arrest. 189 00:17:29,530 --> 00:17:33,660 My role that day, as the supervisor on the squad in the command post 190 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:39,750 was really kind of coordinating. And if there was problems out in the field, 191 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,010 any decision about how to handle it is gonna come through me. 192 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:47,970 I was in charge of the arrest of Brenda Phenis in Indiana. 193 00:17:48,130 --> 00:17:50,550 I had to take down Dwight Baker. 194 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,890 My duty on takedown day was Gloria Brown here at Jacksonville. 195 00:17:56,060 --> 00:18:00,190 I sit in the FBI's office, we can hear them, "We're making the move now." 196 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,690 It sounded like a mid-90s Michael Bay kind of thing. 197 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:05,650 You're hearing, "Go, go, go." 198 00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:08,360 So I got Glomb. 199 00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:12,370 By far the nastier, 200 00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:15,540 more potential danger of anybody else. 201 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:20,120 And then, you know me, it's always a contest with no matter what. 202 00:18:20,290 --> 00:18:23,040 So I'm gonna get my guy before anybody else. 203 00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:28,510 My guy, Glomb, was behind a fortress. 204 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,430 A legitimate, big-time cameras everywhere, big gates. 205 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,850 Chances are he won't open the gate. At the same time, I wanna be first. 206 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:46,320 So we had to find a way to get Glomb to come out. 207 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,610 The thing we came up with was he has to come out and get his paper. 208 00:18:53,410 --> 00:18:58,080 So that gate opens up, who do you think walks out and gets the paper? 209 00:19:01,370 --> 00:19:03,380 The wife, right? Not him. 210 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:08,130 So I'm going, "Oh, God. I'm gonna ram this car through the front gate." 211 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:13,510 I have got ready, just getting ready to leave the house, and 212 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,220 I see somebody walking by the kitchen window. I look out the door, see FBI. 213 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:19,060 They haven't knocked on the door yet. 214 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:23,310 So I ran upstairs, tell my wife, I said, "The FBI is out front." 215 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:28,860 So when they knocked on the door, it was Astralaga. 216 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:31,030 We show him the arrest warrant. 217 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:36,740 We gained access to the property and he is taken into custody. 218 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:39,080 In the command post, we kept hearing, 219 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:42,540 "So and so has been arrested. So and so confessed. Can't find this person. 220 00:19:42,620 --> 00:19:44,710 So and so is arrested. They're denying everything." 221 00:19:52,340 --> 00:19:58,350 And so Rick Dent went to Atlanta to get Uncle Jerry. 222 00:19:58,430 --> 00:20:01,230 Jerry Jacobson. 223 00:20:01,310 --> 00:20:05,520 The arrest of Jerry was in early morning in his house. 224 00:20:05,610 --> 00:20:08,940 Knock, knock, knock. "The FBI. Open up." 225 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:14,240 I remember Jerry initially, 226 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:20,200 doing what you would expect a former police officer to do was clam up. 227 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:24,000 You know, he realized his goose was cooked, so to speak. 228 00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:30,550 Eventually he received his jewelry, silver handcuffs. 229 00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:37,760 At Jerry Jacobson's arrest, he had some Honda sports car thing 230 00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:39,640 that he was riding around in that we seized. 231 00:20:39,810 --> 00:20:45,060 And just cash in a trash bag, in the trunk of his car. Who does that shit? 232 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,480 Who carries that crap around? Really? 233 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,080 My first interaction with Jerry Jacobson was at the federal courthouse 234 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,790 in Atlanta. 235 00:21:00,870 --> 00:21:07,290 And I was in Atlanta because Jerry Jacobson was the head of the snake, 236 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:13,760 and I wanted to personally advise him of the charges against him. 237 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,880 Sources say that the FBI will announce that it has made arrests 238 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:20,010 in an alleged scheme to defraud the McDonald's Corporation 239 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:21,970 by rigging its recent Monopoly game. 240 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:24,930 Now, the FBI would only say that it has scheduled a news conference 241 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:26,560 for 2:15 this afternoon 242 00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:30,690 but sources tell CNN seven of the eight people are in custody. 243 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:35,530 Sources say the eighth was indicted, not arrested yet. Still being sought. 244 00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:38,070 I lay it out, "I'm gonna be the first." I was the last. 245 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,820 The last one to get their guy. 246 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:43,740 So we needed to draw Glomb out. 247 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:49,540 And then I came up with what I thought was a great idea. 248 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,010 Broward County Sheriff comes to the gate and says, 249 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:58,680 "Do you guys mind coming down here and identifying these guys? 250 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,100 They were robbing a house here, and I want you to identify them." 251 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:07,810 I said, "I don't care." They had bothered me. 252 00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:10,060 He said it'll only take a couple of minutes. 253 00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:13,480 I say okay. And then I went outside. 254 00:22:13,570 --> 00:22:16,440 And, of course, they grabbed me outside, and he says, 255 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:20,410 "You're under arrest for mail fraud." 256 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:23,910 I said, "Mail fraud? What's that?" 257 00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:28,000 He says, "On the McDonald's." I said, "Oh, okay." 258 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,290 Didn't have a clue that they were on to this case. Nothing. 259 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:36,840 He didn't say nothing else. I say, "Can I get you a cup of coffee?" 260 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:42,970 Mathews was one of the original people who arrested me. 261 00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:47,810 Had some snippets of the phone calls to let him know we had what we had. 262 00:22:47,890 --> 00:22:49,890 He decided not to cooperate. One of the very few. 263 00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:52,310 I remember we were arguing in the car. 264 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,650 He said, "You think you're some gangster or something?" 265 00:22:54,730 --> 00:22:57,690 I said, "Yeah. And you think you're Don Johnson?" 266 00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:00,780 You know, from Miami Vice. 267 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:05,450 At the end, he was okay. In the front, he was a little bit of an asshole. 268 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:09,200 - You did offer him a cup of coffee. - I did. I'm that way. 269 00:23:09,290 --> 00:23:10,920 I'm very friendly. 270 00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:19,010 It wasn't just the takedown, 271 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:23,590 there were a number of people on the initial indictment that we charged. 272 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,930 On top of that, 273 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:30,850 I needed to have agents going out to interview all these other winners. 274 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:32,900 What we didn't wanna happen 275 00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:37,400 was somebody who is a "winner" to be sitting at home 276 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,860 and see this takedown, and then have two or three weeks to think about it. 277 00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:43,410 Think about what they're gonna say. 278 00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:48,450 Or worse yet, hop on a plane and move to South America. 279 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:51,370 If you played the popular McDonald's Monopoly game 280 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:55,040 and thought you'd never win the top price, you may have been right. 281 00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:59,050 In Washington, the Attorney General and FBI announced eight people 282 00:23:59,130 --> 00:24:02,220 were arrested for defrauding McDonald's and its customers. 283 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:05,930 My work said to me, "The FBI's looking for you." 284 00:24:06,010 --> 00:24:07,810 I'm like, "What? 285 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:12,520 Shit. This is the FBI." 286 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,940 My friends were from Louisiana, from the swamp, they go, 287 00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:19,230 "We wanna hide you out in the bayou." 288 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:22,400 But then they were like, "You can never contact anybody anymore." 289 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:25,610 Just like in TV script. You can't talk to anybody. 290 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,870 "Oh, hell no. I can't do that." 291 00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:34,790 And, finally, they caught up with me. They finally found me at home. 292 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,630 They were very nice to me, they were just straight to the point, 293 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:41,300 and they got what they wanted to hear from me. 294 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:44,630 I decided I was gonna be the one to 295 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,550 go down the street and interview Buddy Fisher. 296 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,510 He was a little surprised, 297 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:56,020 but didn't try to tell us anything other than what really happened. 298 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:57,350 Nice guy. 299 00:24:59,230 --> 00:25:03,190 So through the course of the interview I had with Dwight Baker, 300 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:09,120 he implicated George Chandler, his foster son in the scheme. 301 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,620 At that point, we made a determination to reach out to George Chandler 302 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:14,540 and talk to him about his involvement. 303 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,760 I was on I-20 and my cell phone rang. 304 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,130 My secretary came on the phone and said, 305 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:32,390 "George, there's two guys in the office here 306 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,640 from the FBI who would like to speak to you." 307 00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:39,310 "Put them on the phone." 308 00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:45,490 Who don't wanna talk to the FBI? So this guy 309 00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:52,160 comes on the phone, and his name is Special Agent Astralaga. 310 00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:55,910 And he said, "Mr. Chandler, 311 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,420 we've arrested this morning Dwight and Linda Baker 312 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:05,840 for their involvement in the McDonald's Monopoly games scam, 313 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,050 and we would like to speak to you about your involvement." 314 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:13,350 And the first thing out of my mouth was, 315 00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:17,730 "If you've arrested Dwight and Linda Baker, you've got the wrong people." 316 00:26:26,110 --> 00:26:29,660 For some reason, I was home that day, and 317 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,950 my sister called me. 318 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:37,250 I picked up the phone, called her and said, "Are you watching television?" 319 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:39,460 She said no. And I said, "Well, turn it on." 320 00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:42,830 William Fisher and Gloria Brown both live in Jacksonville. 321 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,960 Prosecutors say the plot was... 322 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,340 And there was my name on the screen, 323 00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:51,050 Gloria Brown indicted. 324 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:55,680 I just folded up in the kitchen by myself. 325 00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:59,180 Again, there I was alone. I'm like, "Okay." 326 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:05,730 Before I can get to even listen to what was on the television about me, 327 00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:08,280 my doorbell rang. 328 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,660 Opened the door, and there was this detective there. 329 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:16,830 I'm like, "Oh, my God." 330 00:27:16,990 --> 00:27:19,370 She was denying being involved in anything. 331 00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:22,750 I sped up to the fact of, "We're not talking about what you did or not. 332 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:25,590 We're just talking about how much time in prison you're gonna serve. 333 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:29,170 You might wanna go ahead and start cooperating now." 334 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:33,800 And I had decided this time the lie's gonna be over and I just told them. 335 00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:36,510 There was no need for me to lie anymore. 336 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,770 She basically told us what we needed to know, and we already knew again, 337 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:44,230 because we knew the scheme, the recruiting formula, how it happened. 338 00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:46,980 I saw her shoulders sink a little bit. 339 00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:48,150 I'm saying to myself, 340 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,450 "Do I need a lawyer first?" That's the kind of stuff. 341 00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:53,780 "Am I doing the right thing?" I just didn't know what to do. 342 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:59,410 I never thought about what to do once I got caught. 343 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,420 And I was not sure if they was gonna take me with them. 344 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:07,500 I was waiting on a police car to pull up out front. 345 00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:11,380 When they walked to the door I walked to the door with them. 346 00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:14,930 When they say that, "We'll be getting back with you," 347 00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:19,140 I was so happy right in that moment. 348 00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:25,310 I said, "At least that way I get a chance to make some arrangements." 349 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,060 The deal was if they didn't cooperate, we're gonna arrest, 350 00:28:28,150 --> 00:28:30,190 if they did cooperate, we're gonna take their statement 351 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,400 and then go ahead and document it, and they refer to the case agent 352 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:37,820 who would then take it to the federal prosecutor. 353 00:28:46,580 --> 00:28:52,960 I was almost done with my prison time for doing the fraud that I did. 354 00:28:53,050 --> 00:28:57,390 And I see there's two tall gentlemen in seats. 355 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,350 They said, "We're here for the McDonald's Monopoly," 356 00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:07,980 and they had this poster laid out. And Uncle Jerry was the middle bubble. 357 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:14,530 They had all these bubbles all around. And then they had this-sized bubbles. 358 00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:18,450 And I was that-sized bubble connected to him. 359 00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:23,080 And it was, "Jerry Colombo, deceased." 360 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,460 There's my picture, "Robin Colombo, incarcerated." 361 00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:30,790 And I'm looking over it and I go, "Hmm, okay." 362 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,590 I said, "Tell you what, give me your card and if I can think of anything, 363 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,720 I will get in touch with you, how about that?" 364 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,810 And they said, "No, that's not how that works, Mrs. Colombo." 365 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:47,520 I said, "That's how this is gonna work right now." 366 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,440 I said, "Let me tell you something, I have a little boy out there 367 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,570 and a daughter, and you don't know who you're messing with, 368 00:29:56,650 --> 00:30:00,280 and I'm not gonna put their lives in jeopardy." 369 00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:04,160 I got the card. They go to leave. And I'm going to leave. 370 00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:08,210 I'm thinking, "Okay." I'm going back down to the girl's part, right? 371 00:30:08,290 --> 00:30:11,250 Well, here come the officers from the prison. 372 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:14,170 They go, "Colombo, come back up here." 373 00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:18,680 They went to shackle me and I'm like, "Wait, what are you doing?" They said, 374 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,930 "Your custody level has changed now because you're under investigation." 375 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:28,230 I said, "No, I'm not." I said, "So, whatever this is all?" 376 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:31,310 They said, "Yeah." I said, "Hold this," "No, Mrs. Colombo." I said, 377 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,230 "Leave me alone, I'm calling the Feds." 378 00:30:36,650 --> 00:30:42,070 I ran to the double doors and I kicked the double door open. 379 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,030 I said, "Hey, come here." 380 00:30:45,490 --> 00:30:48,000 They said, "Oh, you wanna talk?" I said, "Yeah." "Come on, come on." 381 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,830 "Hey, Mike, can I have some coffee? Can we have coffee? 382 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,290 I think they want coffee." 383 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,300 I said, "You really know more than I do, honestly." 384 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:02,010 And of course, they're like, "Well, why don't you humor us?" 385 00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:05,180 I said, "Well, let's do this, I need a cigarette, 386 00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:08,060 so let's take a cigarette right now, let's take them out of here. 387 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:12,770 "You really got to smoke that?" "I really do. You got my nerves racked." 388 00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:16,440 As a matter of fact, I need one now, talking about it. 389 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,110 "You really should quit those things," I said, "Yeah, today's not the day." 390 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,820 6:00 came and they took me in where the TV room was. 391 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:31,790 John Ashcroft came on television and my knees got weak and whatever. 392 00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:36,710 This morning the agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested 393 00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:39,630 eight individuals in several states 394 00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:42,550 for their involvement in a nationwide scheme 395 00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:47,140 to defraud McDonald's Corporation and its customers, 396 00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:52,770 by fraudulently manipulating McDonald's promotional prize contests. 397 00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:58,440 We want those involved in this type of corruption to know 398 00:31:58,610 --> 00:32:03,400 that breaking the law is not a game. 399 00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:08,330 That day everything went really, literally, according to plan. 400 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:14,210 It made for a very fun interesting day and one I'll never forget. 401 00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:17,880 I wanna commend the fine work of the FBI and the Jacksonville division 402 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,550 of the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida. 403 00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:27,930 Everyone involved in this investigation worked hard to break this conspiracy. 404 00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:31,520 How do we miss this? There are seven winners in the 864 area code 405 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,810 the last four years, how do never put two and two together ourselves 406 00:32:34,890 --> 00:32:37,650 if they kept coming from the same darn area? 407 00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:40,320 And we've done stories, big stories on two or three other winners, 408 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,900 the million-dollar winners, too, and we had never put it together. 409 00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:45,530 That's one of things where there's a kick on ourselves and for journalism. 410 00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:49,410 "We never put that one together." There's a bit of egg on our face. 411 00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:52,080 Well, this story is going to make a lot of people angry. 412 00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:54,540 Prosecutors say it appears McDonald's customers 413 00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:57,670 never really had a chance to win the biggest prizes. 414 00:32:57,830 --> 00:33:01,420 Frankly the odds of your winning that million-dollar jackpot in McDonald's 415 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:02,960 weren't that good to begin with. 416 00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:06,090 The FBI said the odds were really about one in zero. 417 00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:08,180 They need to serve time for that, definitely. 418 00:33:08,260 --> 00:33:12,220 Many of the winners were from the same family or were closely related. 419 00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:15,390 At the center of the fraud ring prosecutors say Jerome Jacobson 420 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,360 assigned to place the winning big cash game pieces into circulation. 421 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440 Instead the FBI says he stole them. 422 00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:23,990 Passing winning game pieces to his friends, 423 00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:28,030 who then recruited others to come forward and claim the big prizes. 424 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,200 Jacobson was given a Go to Jail card for keeping the winning tickets. 425 00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:33,950 And since the FBI today, 426 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,830 they had a confidential informant who tipped them off at first. 427 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920 Someone who had knowledge of the scheme. 428 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,590 McDonald's was devastated by the news, 429 00:33:41,670 --> 00:33:46,340 while a stunned spokesperson for Parker Brothers had only this reaction. 430 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,930 We want you to have the opportunity to see who Mr. Jacobs is. 431 00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:59,770 He's 58 years old and he's married and has a family. 432 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,990 He knows the seriousness of these charges 433 00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:09,450 and he also knows that he faces 434 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:16,200 very serious potential punishment in prison if convicted of these charges. 435 00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:20,580 We know many of you have attempted to contact him, 436 00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:26,300 his wife, and his family, and have been in his neighborhood. 437 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:28,550 We are asking you 438 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:34,680 to allow there to be some privacy for his family 439 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560 and for his neighbors. 440 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,810 Jerry Jacobson had retained council fairly quickly, 441 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,900 an attorney by the name of Ed Garland. 442 00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:51,450 And so my involvement was then talking to the attorney. 443 00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:54,660 Once he has retained council, I have instructed him 444 00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:59,210 that I should analyze the case before he speaks further with the government. 445 00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:01,420 Are you gonna share your motto? 446 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:06,670 We follow the motto, "A fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut." 447 00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:11,760 That's what a defendant needs to know. Stop the music, 448 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,010 stand behind us, we do the fighting and the talking for you. 449 00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:19,600 We're saying that you have a rogue employee that embezzles a piece, 450 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,190 steals it, bottom line. 451 00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:24,940 It was pretty clear that Mark was coming full force. 452 00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:28,610 The first conversation was plead straight up to the indictment 453 00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:32,820 and bring every penny you have and your wife has. 454 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:36,870 The threats of "I will take everything down to her engagement ring." 455 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:43,540 Mark is a very effective lawyer, a very talented lawyer 456 00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:48,710 and uses his power in a very assertive way 457 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,630 on behalf of his client, the United States. 458 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:57,640 Ed and I had many cases together and he's a very experienced attorney. 459 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:03,770 But I've told him that the chances for Mr. Jacobson to go to trial 460 00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:08,110 and come out without a conviction was zero. 461 00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:11,650 When you deal with a lawyer like that you've got let him know 462 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:16,570 you're unintimidated and unintimidatable. 463 00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:21,910 So it became tense and confrontational immediately. 464 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,710 Mr. Jacobs will not be making any statements about this case 465 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:30,460 until he appears in court. 466 00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:35,340 That was a very interesting day. I turn on CNN headline news, 467 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:37,890 boom, picture of my dad. 468 00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:41,600 And it was like, "Wow." 469 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,100 In the back of my mind, I was like, "I knew it. 470 00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:48,810 Mom and I always knew there was something wrong and here it is. 471 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,230 Right here in front of us now, right here on TV." 472 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,950 It's not a surprise. He was good at manipulating people, he was good at it. 473 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,330 But that's my dad. 474 00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:09,590 I guess I was always questioning the legitimacy of everything. 475 00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:13,130 There was always something new, it was always trips, and it was always 476 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:16,430 spending things extravagantly it seemed like to me. 477 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,010 My mom and I always joked that 478 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:24,230 we always thought there was something not right about him. 479 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:32,780 I knew he kept secrets from me. Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies. 480 00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,280 And that's how I dealt with him. 481 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,070 If I didn't ask him any questions, he didn't have to lie to me. 482 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:45,450 For instance, he said that he had this swampland. 483 00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:49,380 He might go out and buy me something and I would say, "Jerry, 484 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:54,710 that's a lot of money." He would go, "I sold a piece of swampland." 485 00:37:57,010 --> 00:38:03,180 Jerry was always trying to figure the easy way. How do you get a free lunch? 486 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:08,730 The moral of the story is there are no free lunches. 487 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,940 But there may be some brownies hidden somewhere. 488 00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:18,740 Does that make any sense? 489 00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:30,620 Mr. Jacobson was not helping us, and so the question was still ongoing. 490 00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:37,130 How did he get the game pieces? We know he did, but how did he do it? 491 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,430 We didn't know if Dittler Brothers was involved. 492 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,760 There was no details to anything. 493 00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:49,310 We don't know if it's just Jerry, we don't know if it's everybody in there. 494 00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:56,480 I was furious Jerry did what he did, he put all of those people at risk. 495 00:38:59,450 --> 00:39:03,370 And we took a trip and actually went to Dittler Brothers 496 00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:06,160 because there might be somebody there inside. 497 00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:09,160 When the FBI came in and shut everything down 498 00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:13,710 and started gathering their evidence... Somebody came by and said, 499 00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:17,460 "The FBI's here. You got to make sure that you don't go anywhere near there." 500 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:23,260 Somebody's in trouble. 501 00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:29,560 Somebody's in trouble, but what effect this is gonna have? Don't know. 502 00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:35,400 Well, Roger, first let me underscore the fact that Jerome Jacobson 503 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,990 was not a McDonald's employee. He was in fact an employee of Simon Marketing, 504 00:39:40,070 --> 00:39:43,700 which was the firm that McDonald's had contracted to administer its games. 505 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:47,700 McDonald's says tonight it's fired the Georgia company that ran the contests 506 00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:49,540 and now the FBI is investigating 507 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:52,660 how many other instant winners weren't so instant after all. 508 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,630 The deception by Simon Marketing was unacceptable. 509 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,840 We really trusted them to run the game for us. 510 00:40:03,010 --> 00:40:08,560 We had to end the relationship to gain the trust back with our customers. 511 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:14,730 Pretty much, I had to say McDonald's was 98% of our business. 512 00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:26,620 The FBI showed up one day at the front door and shut us down. 513 00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:32,580 When the information came out, their stock went from 514 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:36,380 approximately a hundred dollars to basically fifty cents. 515 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:39,920 God, these are bad. 516 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,470 It was the largest one day drop on the American Stock Exchange. 517 00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:51,600 Ensuring that these games are secure, that is how they make their living. 518 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,270 Two days after McDonald's fired Simon Marketing from all future promotions, 519 00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:58,190 a second major company has also pulled the plug. 520 00:40:58,270 --> 00:41:02,320 A couple of days later, Kraft came out and cancelled their contract. 521 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,490 There's nothing left. 522 00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:10,780 So in effect, the Chicago, LA, Atlanta offices here in the States, 523 00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:15,040 we had an office in London, Paris, Hong Kong 524 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,130 and several manufacturing facilities in China. 525 00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:23,550 The people at Simon Marketing were good people, they were professional, 526 00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:27,180 we really loved working with them. So, it was devastating 527 00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:31,140 when one bad apple wrecked the lives of so many people. 528 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:34,020 They're gone, man, they're gone. 529 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,650 We spent one night in jail. 530 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,950 For my bail, they asked for a million dollars. The judge said, 531 00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:52,030 "For this, you want a million dollars?" He said 200,000. 532 00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:58,290 The Lord blessed me in the past situation. 533 00:41:58,370 --> 00:42:01,210 I had three lots that were free and clear. 534 00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:06,260 The tax value was exactly two hundred thousand of those three lots. 535 00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:09,220 So, that was just a miracle. 536 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:12,890 These three lots here, the lake is over on this side 537 00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:16,100 but these three lots here are the three lots that I put up as collateral 538 00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:18,270 for my property bond. 539 00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:28,400 I understood at that time something was amiss with Dwight's story. 540 00:42:28,570 --> 00:42:32,070 And I immediately called Dwight, and 541 00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:38,620 I remember being incredulous with him. 542 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,210 Who was the guy that was going through the divorce, 543 00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:46,300 where did you get his ticket? What's going on? 544 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:49,510 He said, "George, I can't talk about it right now. 545 00:42:49,590 --> 00:42:51,720 Don't worry, you don't have anything to worry about. 546 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,350 You didn't do anything wrong. It was me." 547 00:42:57,810 --> 00:43:01,810 And I wasn't gravely concerned about it. 548 00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:07,860 The thing that surprised me is they gave me bond. 549 00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:10,570 They never should have gave me bond. 550 00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:16,990 I'm telling you, I was a fugitive back in the '80s. So, I was a mistake. 551 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:23,920 I'm home about two days, there's two guys at the gate with suits on. 552 00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:31,840 I said, "They came back for me. That's the marshals coming to get me." 553 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:38,850 Here's Jehovah Witnesses. 554 00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:46,820 I was never so happy to talk to a Jehovah Witness in my life. 555 00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:53,820 I was in my maternity shop in Coral Gables. We have a TV there. 556 00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:58,790 And they broke in the news that the McDonald's thing had just been busted. 557 00:43:58,950 --> 00:44:02,500 I was fucking floored, fucking floored. 558 00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,290 Two seconds later two FBI agents walked in my store, 559 00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:08,750 Doug Mathews and Rick Dent, 560 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,090 and they said they'd like to talk to me about the McDonald's case. 561 00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:15,510 I knew I was fucked. 562 00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:17,640 I knew I was fucked. 563 00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:21,890 I'll be honest with you, I don't know if Jerry turned me in or not. 564 00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:27,230 Right after it happened I flew to Atlanta, Georgia, I said, 565 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520 "Jerry, how the fuck could you do this?" 566 00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:31,990 And he says, "How the fuck, I thought we were done." 567 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:37,070 I was really pissed because I had thought that night we were done. 568 00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:51,300 I had hired a local attorney to go with me to the meeting with the FBI. 569 00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:57,640 And he called me and said, "George, you've been indicted." 570 00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:02,930 I was in shock. 571 00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:11,480 You don't know how to react because you're charged with a federal crime. 572 00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:17,780 My name appears in a text of major newspapers 573 00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:21,660 and on major television stations all across the nation. 574 00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:25,580 Friends are calling me, family's calling me, 575 00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:29,580 business acquaintances are calling me, customers are calling me, 576 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:32,000 employees are calling me. 577 00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:35,130 I didn't know what to tell him. 578 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:44,020 I didn't know what to tell my son who's eight years old at the time. 579 00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:49,520 Every kid in the school has a question for our son, 580 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,440 and I don't know how to help him. 581 00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:57,150 It was... devastating. 582 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,410 George was... 583 00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:07,710 very angry, upset, hurt. 584 00:46:08,830 --> 00:46:11,040 But I tried to explain to him 585 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:17,720 that I did everything in my power to protect him from this. 586 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,360 At some point in time, though, and it was in fairly short order 587 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,950 you snap out, I snapped out of it and I took action. 588 00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:43,450 I went down to Jacksonville and started making phone calls 589 00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:48,410 looking for what I termed the best criminal lawyer in town. 590 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,670 I'm Curtis Scott Fallgatter, I'm an attorney. 591 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,930 I've been an attorney for about 40 years. 592 00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:05,470 I was a federal prosecutor here in town for 17 years 593 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,680 and I've been on private practice for 20 years. I was blessed to have been 594 00:47:08,770 --> 00:47:11,600 selected one of the top criminal defense attorneys in Northeast Florida 595 00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:14,020 or the last couple of decades. 596 00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:18,740 In 2001 I met George Chandler, he was 29 years old. 597 00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:22,110 Ninth grade education, but he's a brilliant young man. 598 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,370 I was very impressed with his candor 599 00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:28,950 and he explained how he had been hoodwinked by his foster father, 600 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,960 which of course demonstrates his innocence. 601 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,170 I thought, "Well, we can probably make this case go away pretty easily." 602 00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:38,130 So I picked up the phone and called Mr. Devereaux. 603 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,430 Mr. Fallgatter interviewed me in January of 1989 604 00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:45,680 when I got hired in this office. 605 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,640 He's been to my house many times, I've been to his house many times. 606 00:47:49,810 --> 00:47:55,230 At one point in time we were very sociable. Not so much anymore. 607 00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:58,650 I'd explained to him how George had been hoodwinked, 608 00:47:58,730 --> 00:48:01,570 did not know the tickets have been stolen or embezzled, 609 00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:03,820 and Mr. Devereaux's response was, 610 00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:08,530 "If I had dropped Mr. Chandelier's case I'd have to drop several others." 611 00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:21,050 I was the first person to turn themselves in. 612 00:48:21,130 --> 00:48:22,670 I mean, they had me. 613 00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:25,430 I was scared as shit because 614 00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:29,720 just the name Mark Devereaux reminded me of those old southern gentlemen. 615 00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:35,730 I mean, I'll never forget the first time I met him. 616 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,440 The only thing he said to me, 617 00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:48,490 "Don't ever lie to me." He said, "Just don't ever lie to me." 618 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:53,540 I says, "Man, I did whatever I did, not tell you everything I did. 619 00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,290 I ain't gonna lie." 620 00:48:55,370 --> 00:49:00,460 Because I've never believed in lying anyhow, I wasn't gonna start then. 621 00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:06,760 The plan is to find the path to victory 622 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,970 if it is there, to protect the client, to help the client. 623 00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:15,810 So if you start out "I'm just gonna plead guilty," 624 00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:21,230 you never go through the mental discipline of "Can I find the way?" 625 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,200 We probably started ads, "If you want him as a witness, give him immunity," 626 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,360 something like that. 627 00:49:28,450 --> 00:49:31,660 And that would have met head-on 628 00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:36,620 with the 180-degree opposite position. 629 00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:39,920 Is a plea a possibility for this case? 630 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,550 A plea is always a possibility. 631 00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:48,800 The issue of how he will address these charges is being evaluated. 632 00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:56,060 When you talk about what Jerry was facing, it gets complicated. 633 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:59,060 If you start adding up all of the different counts he was charged with, 634 00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:03,940 he was facing a lot of time. And I know it was well over 10. 635 00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:12,580 I remember it having a sense of 636 00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:18,210 huge sympathy for the ordeal it was being imposed on, 637 00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:20,420 and in the way it was being imposed. 638 00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:23,040 Prosecutors say this is the man who started it all. 639 00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:26,010 Jerome Jacobson faces nine counts of conspiracy 640 00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:29,050 in a plot they say involved $20 million dollars' worth of 641 00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:33,300 McDonald's winning game prizes stolen and then sold to friends and relatives. 642 00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:37,770 If he could cooperate, it would provide us just so much information 643 00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:42,560 to find all these other winners. And winners turned into recruiters, 644 00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:46,320 and most importantly to show exactly how he did it. 645 00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:52,110 We could not quite figure it out. And now we knew he was doing it, 646 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,370 we just didn't know the details in how he was doing it. 647 00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:58,450 The government always wanted to know how he did it 648 00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:02,080 and he did not cooperate from the beginning. 649 00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:05,250 He would have, but for the fact that his lawyers would not allow him to 650 00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:07,420 until we worked everything out. 651 00:51:07,590 --> 00:51:13,010 It was the talk peace but prepare for war. And... 652 00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:16,970 We were preparing for a war. 653 00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:26,820 I don't think there ever was an exit strategy to stopping. 654 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:28,990 He'd been perfecting it for 13 years, 655 00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:33,160 it's just gotten better and probably easier for him to do. 656 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,280 And the only reason he got caught was because he pissed somebody off 657 00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:40,080 and somebody went to the FBI and said, "Hey, guess what's happening." 658 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:49,000 "Informant, key to unlocking scam behind the golden arches." 659 00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:52,380 Of course they never named who the informant was, 660 00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:54,760 but that's how it all came apart. 661 00:51:58,510 --> 00:52:01,930 Do you have any idea who the informant might have been? 662 00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:04,400 Nope. 663 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,770 I think it's the FBI. 664 00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:09,480 Before this ever went down, 665 00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:14,240 there was a box across the street from my house on a pole, 666 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,910 placed there by Blue Ridge Electric. 667 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,750 I'd always questioned what it was. I've developed a lot of property. 668 00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:24,920 I'd never seen that box. 669 00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:31,010 I suspected they were eavesdropping on to me, 670 00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:33,090 not because of McDonald's 671 00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:38,890 but because of a fellow developer here on the lakes. 672 00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:41,640 The FBI came in. 673 00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:44,940 the drug enforcement people came in, everybody came in, 674 00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,850 tied up all of his shit. 675 00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:54,200 And I was on the peripheral that, within a week 676 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,030 after my arrest and after this went down, 677 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,200 Blue Ridge Electric trucks came into the field across my street 678 00:53:02,290 --> 00:53:04,870 and that box is gone. 679 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:11,420 So that's why I've always felt their story of how an informant, 680 00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:15,010 or how somebody came forward, 681 00:53:15,090 --> 00:53:18,300 I felt like it was bullshit. 682 00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:23,520 - Do you know who the informant is? - I do. 683 00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:29,770 - Are we... - Next question. 684 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,110 Without the informant 685 00:53:37,610 --> 00:53:42,080 telling the FBI where to go, who to look at... 686 00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:52,210 This case would have never been broken. Never. 687 00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:59,130 I will never tell you who the source was. You will never get that from me. 688 00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:02,890 If I was a dead body, you could not get that off my corpse. 689 00:54:02,970 --> 00:54:07,140 That's how much I think about the Bureau's program. 690 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:09,400 It has to work like that, right? 691 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,440 If you had to make a guess, who do you think the informant would be? 692 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,440 I don't think it was anybody in mind. 693 00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:20,160 If it is, I'd be very surprised, real surprised. 694 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,490 If you're gonna surprise me, go ahead and surprise me. 695 00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:28,830 I know who broke the case, I had this moment right now... 696 00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:33,590 I'm not sure if I feel comfortable saying who broke the case. I need to 697 00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:37,970 talk to some people and make sure that I'm not in danger 698 00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:42,260 if I say who broke the case. Because right now... 699 00:54:48,350 --> 00:54:51,600 I don't know if it's gonna come back and bite me in the butt. 700 00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:53,770 Who do you think it was? 701 00:54:59,070 --> 00:55:01,360 Frank Colombo. 64545

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