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Behind every plantation,

there is this dark history.

- Nice? - No.

Not joking.

I am really terrified of this place.

- That was a "Yeah." - What?!

And right after the war, in 1868, he did commit suicide.

Ho ho ho ho ho.

Something just touched that bear.

What happened to you after the Civil War?

Suicide.

When the dead are forgotten, they become restless.

My God! You just touched me. What? I did not touch you.

I'm Amy Bruni.

A haunting encounter redefined my life.

I live with that experience and seek answers to the unknown.

It says, "I am."

I'm Adam Berry.

At Gettysburg, the shadows and screams of dead soldiers

turned me into a supernatural believer.

My God.

Together, our investigations bring peace to the living...

You can't scare us, you can't deter us.

...by giving a voice to the dead.

I'm going to ask you one more time.

What is your name?

Because we believe the dead and the living are all...

kindred spirits. Kindred spirits.

We're on our way to Belle Grove Plantation.

Belle Grove Plantation

was built between 1794 and 1797.

It is the birthplace of the fourth President

of the United States, James Madison,

and played a crucial role in the Civil War.

Michelle, who we're meeting with tonight,

lives at the plantation with her husband.

They turned Belle Grove into a bed-and-breakfast.

Michelle has called us

because even though she believes

Belle Grove is haunted, very recently,

she feels as though the activity

has just gotten darker and darker,

especially around the caretaker's cottage.

Whatever is out there

is threatening her and her guests.

This activity has gotten to a point

that she wants to burn it down.

You have to remember not only is this their business,

but this is where they live.

So it just makes the stakes even higher for them

because not only are they concerned for themselves,

but for their potential guests.

She just wants to make sure everyone is safe.

Absolutely.

Plantations are beautiful.

I mean, look at this. - Yeah.

But behind every plantation,

there is this dark history that could cause a haunting,

and I'm just wondering what here has changed.

Well, hopefully she's ready for us

'cause we're ready for her.

Yeah, so, let's go in and see what she has to say here.

- Hey. How are you? - Hi.

Good. Good to see you.

There's a lot that has happened.

Really? Just activity's been getting crazier?

A lot. Crazy.

- Okay. - Okay.

Well, then, let's go. Where should we go?

We're gonna go upstairs to the Madison Room

and the Turner Room.

The Turner Room is actually one

of the most haunted locations in the house,

but I will tell you that the Madison Room

has been very active lately.

And we've actually had quite a lot of activity

lately in this particular room.

We also have a little boy ghost named Jacob.

Okay.

He's very mischievous.

He likes to play upstairs.

We'll hear balls bouncing in the hallway.

Right in between rooms, right?

- Right. - What else happens in here?

One that we're getting a lot of is the Lady in White.

She's been seen several times in here.

Do you have any idea who that Lady in White might be?

We think she may be Carrie Turner.

This house used to belong to the Turner family

from 1839 to 1894.

We actually have a photograph of the Lady in White

sitting on this side of the bed over here.

Would this have been her room?

- Possibly. - Okay.

That, or it would have been her room across the hall.

All right.

This is the Turner Room.

Over in the window here,

there's actually an etching.

This says, "Carrie Turner,

M. Van Den Burgh, May 18th, 1869."

Wow!

So, Carrie Turner, who we think is the Lady in White,

actually wrote her name in the window.

So that kind of gives me an idea

that she might be attached to the house.

This room, we do get a lot of activity.

I have heard things.

I have heard conversations.

It's just very active.

And it's not just at nighttime.

It's all the time.

Wow.

And so that's new.

It has not always been that active.

It's intensified probably over the last two years.

- Okay. - Okay.

What do you think was the catalyst for that?

We've got a lot more people coming,

and, you know, change seems to stir things up.

Okay.

What should we look at next?

Maybe we'll head to the library.

So, this is our library.

Okay.

These are artifacts that we have found

here on the property.

We find things all the time,

and we have things from almost every time period.

This is actually a piece that we found.

This is a nail that's been curled.

- That's really cool. - Okay.

And what it is, is it's a talisman.

And so the slaves that came over from Africa,

they would bring their religion with them.

Not Voodoo, but Hoodoo.

And so this is a form of Hoodoo.

They would create things by curling the iron,

and it would become a talisman

to keep evil spirits away.

You guys strongly believe

that that came from the slaves that were here.

I actually had an archeologist look at it,

and they helped me by dating things.

So, do you think that they had a reason

to believe they needed to keep something evil out,

or is this just something they did all the time?

I don't know.

That's interesting.

I've never seen that before.

Mnh-mnh. Where was this specifically found?

Over by the caretaker's house,

where the actual slave quarters was.

Where to next?

So, we're gonna go down here.

This is our Winter Kitchen,

and slaves would have brought the food over.

They would heat it up here to take up to the family.

We have a lot of activity down here.

And what happens down here?

I was actually loading stuff in the dryer,

and all of a sudden, I heard someone standing behind me

with a very deep, gruff voice, and he muttered something.

Couldn't hear what he was saying.

Wow.

Where do you feel, like,

most uncomfortable on the property?

There's one place that I will not go

because I have very bad feelings around it.

It's the caretaker's house.

The person that's in the house

that has claimed that space

can be threatening at times.

I personally do not do anything around it.

I try to stay away from it. - Do you go in it?

No. The one time I walked in,

I turned around and walked right back out.

And I won't go back in. - Okay.

So, do you want to show us the caretaker's house?

Yes, but I am not going inside.

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Well, I can see why you think it's creepy.

I mean...

I think it was built sometime between 1930 and 1940.

What's your plan for this building, eventually?

We need to burn the house down.

- Really? Get rid of it. - Yeah.

So you feel that strongly about it.

Yeah.

I'm not joking.

I am really terrified of this place.

I do not like going inside at all.

Okay.

When was the last time someone lived in this house?

About four years ago.

And how did they feel about it?

I know they saw stuff here.

Has anything else happened?

I've had people that have gone inside,

and it said some really, very nasty things.

It talks about hurting people.

It talks about, "Get out," "Run,"

"Push," "Death," "Hanging."

Anything to get people out of the house.

Do you have any idea who or what could be causing the activity?

We think he may be an old overseer.

This 1856 map that we have shows

that this is where the slave quarters started,

and it ran all the way down this way.

What do you think initiated the shift here,

where this became kind of a negative space?

Change seems to stir things up

because there's a lot of construction stuff around.

Is there anything that we could do or find out

that would help you go into this building?

I would have to know that it's completely clean.

That, or who it is, yes.

Okay.

Honestly, it's just very scary for me.

I know. I see it. I see it in you.

- Yeah. - I mean, I see it.

I can tell. - Yeah.

What if we fix whatever was here?

Would you go in it?

- I would try. - Yeah.

This is as close as I really want to get.

Okay, well, you don't have to go any further.

I know you're planning to go out of town.

Yes.

If we have any questions, we'll call you up.

Okay, yeah.

Well, let's go get our gear together.

- Yeah. - All right.

Michelle is convinced that the caretaker's cottage

is the center of the dark activity,

but that doesn't explain why she experiences activity

in the main house.

This could mean the aggressive entity

is roaming the property.

We need to make sure the activity in the main home

is safe for both Michelle and her guests.

Tonight we will focus on the Lady in White, Jacob,

and the slaves that used to live here.

What is that?

Is there a little boy in here who likes to play?

Because we brought...

Something just touched that bear.

We are at the Belle Grove Plantation,

where we just started to investigate.

Michelle, the owner, contacted us about a dark spirit

that has been threatening her and her guests.

We just started our investigation,

and something already caught our attention.

Hey, Amy? - Yeah?

What are you looking at?

If you watch this right here in this area...

That came up.

That's in the Winter Kitchen,

where the slaves would have worked.

I was actually loading stuff in the dryer,

and all of a sudden, I heard someone standing

behind me with a very deep, gruff voice.

We should probably check that out.

I'm gonna go get that artifact --

the little -- the nail.

The nail.

We'll use the talisman as a trigger object

because it was very important to the slaves that lived here.

Not only did they make it,

but it was associated with their religion and protection.

They might feel more comfortable speaking

if it's in the basement with us.

Whoever's here with us,

who might have been a part of this plantation in the past,

we found this nail in the ground here,

and we think it might have had

some sort of significance to you.

Feel free to get closer and look at it and touch it, okay?

When you do, this will sound a little alarm.

A proximity sensor is a detection alarm

that is triggered when something touches, moves,

or gets within six inches of the object it's connected to.

Okay. All right.

During this investigation, I'll use a voice recorder

that captures electronic voice phenomenon

that's often only audible in playback.

We will also use an SLS camera, which uses infrared light

to detect entities and outlines them for us.

I know Michelle introduced us earlier,

but my name is Amy, and this is Adam.

Hi.

We're doing a lot of research on the plantation

and people who lived here and worked here.

It seems like the Turner family

had a very long history here.

Did you work for the Turner family?

Listen to it real quick.

- What?! - That was a "Yeah."

That was a "Yeah." Right?

I mean, that's a "Yeah."

Yeah, they did something.

They're like, "Yes."

All right, let's keep going.

Who is in the other house now outside,

where the quarters used to be?

Can you tell me your name?

Would you ever go out there?

Is there anyone here we should be afraid of?

Let's listen to these.

Nothing.

We do know, though, the people that are down here --

they clearly knew Turner.

They worked under Turner.

They said they did.

So, I feel like we just keep asking questions,

or we go in the other areas,

ask about the ghosts that Michelle thinks are here,

and then ask about these things again

and see if we get any new information

and just keep digging, keep investigating.

For sure.

Maybe if we go up in the bedrooms,

we can investigate the rooms

that we're gonna be sleeping in tonight.

And then maybe whatever we do will kind of rile things up.

- Yeah, for sure. - All right, let's go upstairs.

Should we bring Boo Buddy just in case,

'cause there's kids, supposedly?

Yes, 'cause there are kids.

Let's bring the Spirit Box.

We're going upstairs to investigate the spirits

that go back and forth between the historic guest rooms.

We're going to use Boo Buddy to dry to draw out

the child ghost Michelle described.

If there is something up there, we can try to speak with it

using the Spirit Box.

Okay.

So, this is the Turner Room.

I am going to set up Boo Buddy.

Boo Buddy is a piece of equipment

that has pre-programmed phrases

specifically directed towards children.

It also has additional equipment inside that senses EMF,

changes in temperature and motion triggered by spirits.

Why don't we start just trying to talk to him,

and then we'll move on to our other techniques?

Absolutely.

Is there a little boy in here who likes to play?

Because we brought...

I like holding hands with you.

Something just touched that bear.

Does the person or people that are in the house outs--

- Scary. - Outside.

Should we worry about whoever is in the house outside?

Go get him.

We are investigating in King George, Virginia,

at the Belle Grove Plantation.

We are in the main house, trying to see

if this dark entity is moving around the property.

Is there a little boy in here who likes to play?

Because we brought...

I like holding hands with you.

Something just touched that bear.

Can you touch that bear again?

Can you knock that bear off the chair?

We heard sometimes

you like to knock things off of tables.

That tickles.

It got touched again.

Yeah.

We'll go do the Spirit Box session.

- Yeah, we can. - Yeah. We should.

A Spirit Box is an electronic device

that is used to contact ghosts.

It allows spirits to use radio frequencies

to communicate with us.

Adam is wearing a blindfold and headphones,

so he can hear what messages are being transmitted

without knowing what questions I'm asking.

Unlike a digital voice recorder, this is a real-time conversation

because the entity can speak through Adam

like a speaker to answer my questions.

So, this is my friend Adam,

and we're gonna try to talk to you using this little device.

Just answer the questions that I ask,

and Adam might be able to hear you

through those headphones, okay?

Do you ever go to the house outside?

What is your name?

Adam.

And how old are you?

Be careful.

What should I be careful of?

Does the person or people that are in the house outs--

Scary.

Outside.

Do they ever come here?

Help.

Should we worry about

whoever is in the house outside coming --

Go get him.

My God.

That was really -- That was weird.

That's, like, the weirdest one I've ever done.

- Why? - I was just, like --

There came a point when I was just --

I was so out of it.

You did say some interesting things.

So, like, right off the bat, I said, "What's your name?"

and you said, "Adam," which was strange.

Strange.

And that was a weird, gravelly,

male, like, "Adam."

Like, that kind of sound.

And then I said, "How old are you?"

and you said, "Be careful."

And I said, "Be careful of what?"

And you said, "Help."

That "Help" was a child.

It was a small, tiny voice.

Well, based on that and the Boo Buddy getting touched,

I think Jacob the child ghost is here.

Yeah, maybe he's asking for help.

Maybe.

I said, "Do they ever come out here into this house?"

and you said, "Help."

The second "Help" sounded older female.

Not the kids anymore.

Okay.

And then I started to ask about the house outside.

And before I could even get the question out,

you just said, "Go get him."

What's interesting for me is besides the first thing

saying "Adam," everything was female or a little kid,

and it was the same female voice.

And the little kid only came through the one time.

And then the gravelly male voice was right off the bat

and never was here again.

So, my theory is they were talking

and they're telling us, like, "Help."

And I feel like we just dive further into it

and go investigate the caretaker's house.

Based on the conversation in the main house,

we believe we've confirmed the presence

of a negative entity in the caretaker's cottage.

That could mean that the entity out there

is not only haunting the people of Belle Grove,

but also the other ghosts.

We've dealt with a lot of angry spirits.

The first step is starting a dialogue

and seeing if we can get any information about

who is out there and why.

Okay. So, go ahead.

- Y-- Me? - Yeah.

Man.

This place is a disaster.

The thought of just tearing down a building

because there's a ghost in it just baffles me.

- Yeah, or setting it on fire. - Yeah.

They're so scared of what's in here.

That seems like a logical solution to them.

- For her, it's the best option. - Yeah.

What she doesn't realize is this house isn't original.

So whatever's in this house

could have came from whatever was here beforehand.

So it's just gonna still be here.

I think we need to solve the problem from the inside out.

Yeah.

That one of us?

- I heard that. - Yeah.

Sounded like a male.

So, whoever is in this house who is non-living,

we came here to visit you.

Are you up for some visitors tonight?

Seems like you're here by yourself a lot.

Do you like it that way?

Are you in here?

You can -- If you come closer to this little red light here

and you talk, we can hear you.

What's your name?

Let's listen 'cause there's something going on.

My God!

And right after the war, in 1868, he did commit suicide.

We're trying to figure out

who's hiding in this building.

My God! That's his name!

Amy and I are investigating

the Belle Grove Plantation.

Does the person or people that are in the house outs--

Scary.

Outside.

We are in the caretaker's cottage.

The owner, Michelle, is paralyzed with fear

by whatever is in here and wants to burn it to the ground.

Did he say, "**** you"?

He said, "**** you."

That was a really warm welcome.

We literally just walked in here.

So, the way you were just speaking to us,

it sounds like you were using some vulgar language.

So, if you're gonna try to make us leave,

you'll probably have to do something

a little more impressive.

- So... - Right over me.

Yeah.

They called us here because we talk

to a lot of people like you.

And even though you're angry,

we're still not gonna judge you,

and we're still not gonna be mean back.

Can you tell us your name, at least?

Here. Let's listen.

So, the way you were just speaking to us,

it sounds like you were using some vulgar language.

Even though you're angry,

we're still not gonna judge you,

and we're still not gonna be mean back.

Can you tell us your name, at least?

Nothing.

Well, I think we need to regroup.

Yeah, let's call it a night.

That was intense.

By nature, like, that kind of person

isn't gonna volunteer a lot of information.

During last night's investigation,

we made two discoveries.

The ghosts haunting the main house

are scared of whatever is in the caretaker's cottage.

And whatever's out there isn't gonna talk to us willingly.

Today we are going to focus on research

and see if we can get any leads into who is out there

and why they are so angry and aggressive.

Do you want to look at some

of the census records and things

and see if we can figure out some names to use tonight?

Yeah, I mean, let's -- please.

I mean, I feel like the history here

is so in-depth that we need a direction to go in.

And right now -- Just to start, you know?

Right. I mean, she gave us a lot of names.

Yeah.

But I feel like it would be helpful if we had some

of just, like, maybe some of the workers and everything.

- Yeah. - So let me just bring it up.

Let's start with the Turners.

They were the last family here to own slaves.

Census records.

Here's the Turners.

We have Carolinus Turner.

This is their census.

This says "farmer." That says...

Does that say "overseer"?

We think he may be an old overseer.

Okay, so, here's a Baldwin Lee.

It looks like he was the overseer here.

And this was in 1850.

But, like, all the documentation relating to it

is at the Library of Virginia.

Okay.

We can actually look at physical copies of this

if we go to the library and they can pull them for us

so we can figure out what happened here.

We've reached out to Dr. Gregg D. Kimball,

Director of Public Services and Outreach

at the Library of Virginia.

He pulled documents about Baldwin Lee

and his connection to Belle Grove plantation.

I have some original documents

for you to look at.

Thank you so much for pulling this stuff for us.

It sounds like there's a lot going on at this plantation.

There certainly is.

The Turners were such a huge part of the plantation,

and it sounds like they had --

their overseer at the time was Baldwin Lee.

It seems like he worked here for a long time.

Correct.

So, what did we find as far as what his history

was with the plantation?

Just -- Just the raw numbers.

He just appears in the census as an overseer,

except for that he did commit suicide in 1868.

So, there's this little blurb,

and it says, "Mr. Baldwin Lee,

an upright and respected citizen,

committed suicide at his home one day last week

by cutting his throat with a razor."

Like, that's pretty extreme, isn't it?

- Yeah. - And that's right after the war.

Yeah, I mean, the Southern economy has largely collapsed.

I mean, obviously, the system you once worked under is gone.

Did he leave the property? I don't think he did.

He was, like, on the plantation.

I don't know that we know

whether he's still working for the Turners.

I mean, I'm not -- I don't want to speculate,

but it seems like he didn't know what to do with himself anymore.

He lost a lot.

What was his job?

As an overseer, there's really not a lot

we can say about how he conducted himself.

I mean, the nature of the job was forcing people to work.

He was essentially a slave driver.

One can imagine there's still a range of violence

one would use there.

All of those are open questions.

And it's certainly possible here there's more to know.

- Yeah. - Sure.

We now know Lee killed himself.

So he was obviously a very troubled man.

If he is in the cottage, we need to learn more

about what kind of person we're dealing with.

We called in Rita Wagstaff,

a professor of African American Studies.

She can tell us more about his role as an overseer.

I mean, being here now,

it looks so different from how it did.

And so we're trying to just understand

what life was like.

Where we're standing, like, slave quarters

started about here and extended this way.

And at one point, I think they had 192 slaves...

Wow!

...at one point on this property,

the Turner family.

There was an overseer, who I guess --

did he manage?

What was his job?

The overseer was the white man on the plantation

who was in charge of working the slaves.

Would the overseer ever do any kind of punishing,

or was he just in charge of --

Yeah, he would do punishing, as well.

He would do it, as well. Okay.

Slaves would be whipped, beat.

Some would be killed.

Who's gonna stop them?

- That's right. - That's true.

I mean, God.

God, it's so hard to fathom,

but we can't forget about it.

Now, what's strange here is that the overseer

we've been kind of delving into here

just makes me wonder what kind of person he was.

And it's complete speculation.

We can't find any records of him.

He ended up killing himself.

- My goodness. - And so...

All the ones I know about were just malicious people.

Okay.

If Baldwin Lee is in the caretaker's cottage,

it would explain why we were met with anger and aggression.

His job was to control and punish people,

but it doesn't explain why he's here.

Now that we have a name, we'll try and engage

the foul-mouth entity to see

if it's actually the overseer Baldwin.

All right.

This little silver box that I have in my hand --

I know it might seem strange,

but this can actually hear you.

So go ahead and say your name as loud

as you can towards this little red light.

Nothing we've brought here will hurt you.

We are not here to cause any harm to anybody.

We're just here trying to figure out

who's hiding in this building.

Can you tell me what family you work for?

All right.

- What was that? - I heard a name.

My God! That's his name!

That's his name again.

- Baldwin! - Baldwin!

What happened to you after the Civil War?

...where you always lived until the end?

We are investigating the caretaker's cottage,

the place Michelle, the owner, is terrified to enter.

We need to figure out if Baldwin Lee,

the dead overseer, is here, or if it's someone else.

And we think we've just got our answer.

- Baldwin! - Baldwin!

We don't know what your name is.

I mean, that's clear.

Can you tell me what family you worked for?

- Turner. - My God!

Are you kidding me right now?

- Does that really say "Turner"? - Yes!

- I got to come over there. - It says "Turner."

Listen.

Turner.

Baldwin -- He's in this building.

Now we have to get him to talk to us more.

All right.

Baldwin, what happened to you after the Civil War?

Was this where you always lived until the end?

Did something bad happen to you?

Have you ever tried to leave?

Did someone stop you from leaving?

All right, let's see what you had to say, Mr. Baldwin.

Yes.

Have you ever tried to leave?

- My God. - There's something --

Hold on.

Suicide.

Suicide.

Did someone stop you from leaving?

I mean, from what we know,

we know the Turners were here.

The fact that we know the research, I mean,

it's saying it to us in our face right now --

is incredible.

He said his name. He said, "Turner."

He said, "Suicide."

We know those three things. He's here.

It's insane.

What's also crazy, and I hate talking about it

because I know that he's listening --

Can we talk about this outside for a minute?

I'm serious. - Yeah.

- I don't want to talk in here. - Yeah, I do, too.

What's happened here is we've established trust

with someone who probably isn't a very good guy.

- No. - What he did was unthinkable.

But at the same time,

we have to carry on this conversation.

Well, right. Right.

Like, there's a moral dilemma here.

Do we speak to him on the truth

and risk him shutting down

and not speaking to us again and not getting anywhere?

Exactly. And he did it to himself.

Did he do it out of guilt? - We don't know that yet.

Do we know what his motivation is?

- I mean... - It's so tough.

We have to keep him talking to us...

...so that he will tell us this information,

rather than shutting him off and alienating him.

Yeah, let's just try to --

Try to go and, like, just do this.

Yeah.

We are talking to a guy who beat people for a living.

It is going to be tough being polite to him.

But we have a job to do.

We need to figure out why Baldwin Lee is here,

and in the process of getting answers from Michelle,

maybe we can figure out why he won't leave.

Baldwin, thank you for talking to us.

Is there a reason why you were so forthcoming

with that information?

Are you regretful?

Can you help us understand the work that you did here?

We want to understand you.

He says, "Regretful."

We would love for you to go out to that house

and just have a little conversation with Mr. Lee.

This has to be something between he and I by ourselves.

We are in the caretaker's cottage.

We've just discovered that the menacing ghost

torturing Michelle and her guests

is an angry overseer by the name of Baldwin Lee.

He took his own life in 1868,

but we still don't know why he is here.

Yeah.

Is there a reason that you...

I've got the shivers all over.

Can you help us understand

the work that you do here?

I think he might be done talking.

It's hard to be that nice to someone.

Yeah.

Mr. Lee, we're gonna go and give you some space.

Um...

Okay, so, I think... - Yeah.

...he thinks it's bad.

Whatever was bad to him that he did to himself,

he -- that, to me, is regret.

Yeah.

And you know sometimes when we meet people like this

that have done these things, they -- they can change.

- Right. - Like, their thing --

their being in the afterlife sort of changes who they are.

Right.

We have shocking information to tell Michelle,

and we're not sure how she's going to handle it.

- Hey, guys. - Hey.

- How's it going? - Good.

Welcome back to your home.

Thank you.

Well, so, first of all, I just wanted to say

that we really enjoyed spending a few days here

because it's a very comfortable place.

Like, we never, at any point,

felt threatened or uncomfortable.

I think that it's safe to say for your guests

and everything that the place is a wonderful environment.

It's beautiful. - Thank you.

So, what we really focused on was we really wanted

to find out what was going on in the cottage

just because that seemed to be the area

where you were the most concerned.

Right away, he was pretty direct about having us in there

and how he felt about it.

Saying, "'F' you."

- Yes. - You did hear that.

- Okay, twice. - Okay.

- Twice in a row. - Twice in a row.

Within seconds of us trying to talk to him.

So, the first thing this guy is saying to us is intense.

He doesn't want anything to do with us.

We're just like, "Okay, let's figure this out."

So, we kind of came back at him.

These are the responses.

Did you hear "Baldwin"?

- Yeah, yeah. - Yeah.

So, what do you know about Baldwin?

"Baldwin" was Baldwin Lee.

He was one of the last overseers at Belle Grove.

We asked him at one point, you know,

"What happened to you?" - "Did something bad happen?"

"Did something bad happen to you?"

And he answers.

Have you ever tried to leave? Suicide.

Yeah.

He committed suicide by slitting his own throat

with a straight razor.

Yeah, it's more graphic

than you could possibly imagine.

And so we feel like what happened

is he's such a conflicted character

because he's someone that we hate what he did,

and we're not justifying any of it.

He seems very conflicted.

But what we think happened --

where he's come back here is like --

almost like a self-imposed sentence.

Like, we find this sometimes.

For him, we suspect he's very regretful

and that he is not going to leave

because he doesn't feel like he deserves to move on.

So, that being said, what we would love

for you to do, and we will go with you --

is we would love for you to go out to the house

and just have a little conversation with Mr. Lee.

How do you feel about it?

- Nervous. - I know.

We just know if you talk to him,

you actually might start feeling more comfortable in that space,

enough to do something with it.

It's just -- It's like you guys have to kind of work together.

- I could try. - Okay, let's try it.

Plantations are inherently violent places

and stand for a time we can't forget.

- Are you ready? - I think so.

All right, let's do this.

But Belle Grove is not a dark place now.

And even though we don't agree with who Baldwin was

and what he did, we can't change history.

But we can help the living.

All right, deep breath.

Here we go.

Good?

Come on in between us.

That way...

Just be careful.

Mr. Lee.

Amy and Adam are back with Michelle.

Baldwin, this is Michelle.

You're okay. You got this.

No. - No?

- No. - Okay.

- I'm sorry. - No, no, you're good.

- It's okay. It's all right. - You're good.

It's one step at a time.

- I know. - What are you feeling?

This has to be something between he and I by ourselves.

- Yeah. - Okay.

Sometimes it's not a matter of just an overnight resolution.

And that I feel like is what's happening here.

- Yeah. - It'll happen. Just not now.

- It's okay. - It's okay.

- You're good. - You didn't --

You're standing on the porch, and you went inside.

We're proud of you.

This particular case was so much harder than most for us.

It's not always easy separating

our personal feelings from the evidence.

Honestly, that was a great first step.

The relationship between Michelle and Baldwin

has always been based on fear,

but maybe Baldwin is somehow trying to atone

for the sins he committed in his life.

Our hope is one day this will allow Michelle

to stand up to him and feel safe in the caretaker's cottage.

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