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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:11,156 $600 for a freaking T-shirt? 2 00:00:11,305 --> 00:00:13,585 Did you say $600? 3 00:00:14,492 --> 00:00:15,526 Wow. 4 00:00:15,742 --> 00:00:17,528 This is SoHo, Chloe. 5 00:00:17,612 --> 00:00:18,671 Still. 6 00:00:20,948 --> 00:00:24,125 Ladies, let me know if there's anything I can help you with. 7 00:00:24,210 --> 00:00:26,059 Thank you. 8 00:00:28,977 --> 00:00:31,411 We should probably head back to Brooklyn soon. 9 00:00:32,805 --> 00:00:35,473 Oh, my God, a scarf is $400? 10 00:00:40,596 --> 00:00:41,898 Should I get it? 11 00:00:41,983 --> 00:00:44,516 What? No. Your mom will kill you. 12 00:00:47,212 --> 00:00:48,462 Hey. 13 00:00:48,742 --> 00:00:50,976 I didn't say anything about buying it. 14 00:00:53,928 --> 00:00:55,145 Oh, come on. 15 00:00:55,237 --> 00:00:56,988 Warmth is a fundamental human right. 16 00:00:57,151 --> 00:01:00,296 And I need a scarf. 17 00:01:00,723 --> 00:01:03,824 Relax. You're gonna attract attention. 18 00:01:08,379 --> 00:01:09,663 Hey. 19 00:01:10,109 --> 00:01:12,593 You should get those earrings. They're your favorite color. 20 00:01:13,210 --> 00:01:14,828 I don't think so. 21 00:01:15,601 --> 00:01:18,070 Do you know how cute you'd look with them? 22 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:39,218 Sorry, ladies. 23 00:01:39,617 --> 00:01:42,361 I'm gonna need to see inside those purses. 24 00:01:48,337 --> 00:01:50,922 Good afternoon. My name is Elena Smith. 25 00:01:51,038 --> 00:01:53,257 I got a phone call that my 15-year-old daughter 26 00:01:53,342 --> 00:01:55,367 was arrested for shoplifting? 27 00:02:02,064 --> 00:02:03,569 Wait, there must be some mistake. 28 00:02:03,671 --> 00:02:05,289 I'm supposed to meet my daughter in here. 29 00:02:05,374 --> 00:02:07,159 There's been no mistake, Ms. Smith. 30 00:02:07,465 --> 00:02:08,916 It's you we want to talk to. 31 00:02:09,001 --> 00:02:11,053 I'm Agent Franks with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 32 00:02:11,137 --> 00:02:12,421 This is Agent Arnold. 33 00:02:12,542 --> 00:02:14,527 Would you please take a seat? 34 00:02:14,618 --> 00:02:15,868 Shoplifting? 35 00:02:15,953 --> 00:02:19,410 Is that something the FBI gets involved with these days? 36 00:02:19,547 --> 00:02:21,742 Uh, just for the record, you're Chloe Smith's mom? 37 00:02:21,827 --> 00:02:24,327 Yes Is she okay? W-What did she do? 38 00:02:26,407 --> 00:02:29,493 Chloe's real name isn't Chloe at all, is it? 39 00:02:29,577 --> 00:02:31,428 And her last name isn't Smith. 40 00:02:31,765 --> 00:02:33,945 For that matter, I'm guessing neither is yours. 41 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:37,164 Your daughter, who isn't your daughter, 42 00:02:38,187 --> 00:02:40,437 her real name is Sarah Cooper, isn't it? 43 00:02:40,688 --> 00:02:42,039 We ran her prints. 44 00:02:42,187 --> 00:02:44,328 She's originally from Clearwater, Florida, 45 00:02:44,413 --> 00:02:46,831 and we suspect maybe you are, too. 46 00:02:47,406 --> 00:02:50,814 Your real name's Angela Brown, isn't it? 47 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:52,149 Ms. Brown, 48 00:02:52,492 --> 00:02:54,610 we've been looking for you and that little girl 49 00:02:54,695 --> 00:02:56,194 for an awfully long time. 50 00:03:01,275 --> 00:03:02,693 - Go away. - No. 51 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:04,661 Nope. I need to speak with you. 52 00:03:04,745 --> 00:03:06,330 Have some mercy. 53 00:03:06,414 --> 00:03:08,398 You know I have a two-week-old at home. 54 00:03:08,482 --> 00:03:11,016 I know that. 55 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:16,607 She's adorable, but confused. 56 00:03:16,691 --> 00:03:19,409 Doesn't know night from day. 57 00:03:19,493 --> 00:03:20,944 Ugh, come on. 58 00:03:21,028 --> 00:03:24,314 I'm working on 22 minutes' sleep here. 59 00:03:24,398 --> 00:03:26,765 I beg you. 60 00:03:27,802 --> 00:03:29,319 Sorry, Bull. 61 00:03:29,403 --> 00:03:31,455 You know, I just, uh, 62 00:03:31,539 --> 00:03:33,924 got off the phone with my financial guy, 63 00:03:34,008 --> 00:03:35,826 trying to start a college fund 64 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:39,763 for baby Bull, but I got to have her full name. 65 00:03:39,906 --> 00:03:41,598 They won't let me open up an account 66 00:03:41,682 --> 00:03:44,140 without a last name and a first name. 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,437 So what's it gonna be? Asa or Ingrid? 68 00:03:48,382 --> 00:03:49,595 Remember? 69 00:03:49,790 --> 00:03:52,242 You told me you wanted to name her Ingrid, 70 00:03:52,523 --> 00:03:54,578 and Izzy wanted to name her Asa. 71 00:03:54,662 --> 00:03:56,312 So where'd you guys end up? 72 00:03:57,465 --> 00:03:58,715 We met in the middle. 73 00:03:58,807 --> 00:04:00,109 What? Inga? 74 00:04:00,967 --> 00:04:02,002 Astrid. 75 00:04:02,087 --> 00:04:03,253 Ah. 76 00:04:04,305 --> 00:04:06,054 Astrid. 77 00:04:07,208 --> 00:04:09,890 I like it. Never heard it before, 78 00:04:09,975 --> 00:04:11,059 but I like it. 79 00:04:11,375 --> 00:04:12,863 Same here. 80 00:04:14,115 --> 00:04:15,781 See what you started? 81 00:04:16,617 --> 00:04:18,702 You two boys interested in running up 82 00:04:18,786 --> 00:04:21,625 to the Metropolitan Correctional Center late this afternoon, 83 00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:24,107 and talking to a woman accused of kidnapping her niece 84 00:04:24,191 --> 00:04:26,796 12 years ago and bringing her up as her daughter? 85 00:04:29,687 --> 00:04:33,914 12 years ago, my younger sister Marie died in a car accident. 86 00:04:33,999 --> 00:04:35,719 She had just dropped her three-year-old daughter 87 00:04:35,803 --> 00:04:36,890 off at day care. 88 00:04:36,975 --> 00:04:39,085 Sarah. Sarah Cooper. 89 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:40,758 Yes. 90 00:04:41,195 --> 00:04:42,960 That was the name she was born with. 91 00:04:43,210 --> 00:04:44,218 Sarah Cooper. 92 00:04:44,303 --> 00:04:46,695 And what about her father? 93 00:04:46,858 --> 00:04:50,445 What was going on with Sarah's father after your sister died? 94 00:04:51,312 --> 00:04:53,976 My brother-in-law had issues with impulse control. 95 00:04:54,374 --> 00:04:58,414 Struggled with his drinking, with drugs. 96 00:04:58,859 --> 00:05:01,011 He used to beat my sister. 97 00:05:01,265 --> 00:05:02,898 He used to hurt Chloe. 98 00:05:03,731 --> 00:05:04,835 Sarah. 99 00:05:05,231 --> 00:05:06,816 And you witnessed this? 100 00:05:06,901 --> 00:05:08,093 I saw the bruises. 101 00:05:08,184 --> 00:05:09,735 But your sister confided in you? 102 00:05:09,820 --> 00:05:11,476 She didn't have to confide in me. 103 00:05:11,806 --> 00:05:14,179 S-She didn't have to say it. She was my sister. 104 00:05:14,642 --> 00:05:18,148 Uh, these bruises, did you ask her about them? 105 00:05:18,233 --> 00:05:19,684 I tried. 106 00:05:20,078 --> 00:05:23,093 She'd tell me she walked into a door. 107 00:05:24,037 --> 00:05:27,289 Or when her hand had what looked to me like cigarette burns, 108 00:05:27,421 --> 00:05:30,164 she'd tell me she did it to herself on the stove. 109 00:05:31,007 --> 00:05:32,376 Tell me about Sarah. 110 00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:34,304 After Marie died, 111 00:05:34,537 --> 00:05:36,722 I noticed she started having bruises. 112 00:05:36,807 --> 00:05:38,691 And did you ask your brother-in-law? 113 00:05:38,978 --> 00:05:40,398 The girl's father? 114 00:05:40,669 --> 00:05:43,078 He'd tell me Sarah fell down. 115 00:05:43,337 --> 00:05:45,188 "Sarah fell off her big wheel." 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,218 There was always a story. 117 00:05:48,898 --> 00:05:51,446 So, I contacted Florida's Department 118 00:05:51,531 --> 00:05:53,497 of Children and Families. 119 00:05:53,581 --> 00:05:55,188 But by the time they came out to investigate, 120 00:05:55,272 --> 00:05:57,407 the bruises were almost gone. 121 00:05:57,492 --> 00:06:00,157 I think I reported him five, six times. 122 00:06:00,242 --> 00:06:02,338 And then, one day, 123 00:06:02,812 --> 00:06:06,009 I went over there to visit my niece, 124 00:06:06,093 --> 00:06:09,265 and they told me she was in the hospital with a broken arm. 125 00:06:09,397 --> 00:06:11,906 Jim said she fell down the stairs. 126 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:15,285 But when I went to the hospital 127 00:06:15,369 --> 00:06:19,890 and asked Sarah what had happened, she wouldn't tell me. 128 00:06:19,974 --> 00:06:23,393 She just looked sad. 129 00:06:23,477 --> 00:06:25,156 She wouldn't say anything. 130 00:06:26,648 --> 00:06:30,484 So, the next morning, I went back to the hospital. 131 00:06:30,718 --> 00:06:33,485 And I told her we were going on a trip. 132 00:06:35,321 --> 00:06:37,054 That was 12 years ago. 133 00:06:37,151 --> 00:06:40,601 Let's talk about the trial. It's not gonna be easy. 134 00:06:40,833 --> 00:06:42,554 There's no denying what you did. 135 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:44,715 You took a child who wasn't yours. 136 00:06:44,799 --> 00:06:46,625 A child who still had a parent. 137 00:06:46,934 --> 00:06:48,945 And there's no jury 138 00:06:49,030 --> 00:06:51,243 that's gonna have an easy time looking past that, 139 00:06:51,328 --> 00:06:54,781 which is why Sarah... Chloe... 140 00:06:54,997 --> 00:06:56,715 Is the key to your defense. 141 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,335 The key? 142 00:06:58,792 --> 00:07:02,383 How? She was only three when all this happened. 143 00:07:02,468 --> 00:07:03,734 She doesn't remember anything. 144 00:07:03,819 --> 00:07:05,336 Of course. 145 00:07:05,478 --> 00:07:08,257 But surely she has an opinion on you as a mother. 146 00:07:09,153 --> 00:07:11,703 How did she react when you told her you'd been arrested? 147 00:07:12,015 --> 00:07:15,846 I told her I'd been called away on a business trip. 148 00:07:16,187 --> 00:07:18,281 I called her friend's parents and asked if she could stay 149 00:07:18,365 --> 00:07:20,078 with them for a day or two. 150 00:07:20,206 --> 00:07:22,624 Ms. Smith, Ms. Brown, 151 00:07:23,406 --> 00:07:24,588 you need to explain to your niece 152 00:07:24,672 --> 00:07:25,756 what's really going on here. 153 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,078 That is a conversation that has to be had. 154 00:07:28,163 --> 00:07:29,571 Dr. Bull is right. 155 00:07:29,656 --> 00:07:32,445 She is the most important witness we have. 156 00:07:33,747 --> 00:07:36,566 Now, we're happy to bring Chloe here, tomorrow. 157 00:07:36,671 --> 00:07:38,546 Give you two a chance to talk. 158 00:07:38,631 --> 00:07:40,968 Here? 159 00:07:41,655 --> 00:07:44,975 So I can tell her her whole life's been a fiction? 160 00:07:45,171 --> 00:07:46,726 She thinks her father is dead, 161 00:07:46,811 --> 00:07:49,835 that he's a war hero, he lost his life in Afghanistan. 162 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,338 Be that as it may, 163 00:07:51,584 --> 00:07:54,086 if that girl doesn't tell the jury what a wonderful mother 164 00:07:54,171 --> 00:07:55,786 you've been, you will be found guilty. 165 00:07:55,870 --> 00:07:58,688 And the authorities will almost certainly return her 166 00:07:58,772 --> 00:08:00,671 to the man you're convinced hurt her. 167 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:06,687 Tell me you'll call her tonight. 168 00:08:07,613 --> 00:08:10,213 Tell me you'll explain you need to see her. 169 00:08:11,352 --> 00:08:12,562 Okay. 170 00:08:14,688 --> 00:08:15,953 I'll call her. 171 00:08:16,648 --> 00:08:18,320 I'll tell her about the two of you. 172 00:08:19,195 --> 00:08:20,777 That you'll be bringing her to me. 173 00:08:23,375 --> 00:08:25,148 But I won't tell her where. 174 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:28,093 And I won't tell her why. 175 00:08:28,929 --> 00:08:30,702 I-I just can't. 176 00:08:34,188 --> 00:08:36,164 *BULL * Season 04 Episode 16 177 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,437 Episode Title: "Missing" Aired on: 03/09/2020 178 00:08:42,195 --> 00:08:43,757 Here she comes. 179 00:09:00,817 --> 00:09:02,164 You all right? 180 00:09:05,489 --> 00:09:07,148 It's a lot. 181 00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:11,085 It is. 182 00:09:12,531 --> 00:09:14,218 I hate to be the naysayer... 183 00:09:14,303 --> 00:09:15,494 - No, you don't. - I-I don't know 184 00:09:15,578 --> 00:09:17,171 how we're supposed to prove abuse 185 00:09:17,256 --> 00:09:19,570 that supposedly happened over 12 years ago 186 00:09:19,671 --> 00:09:22,140 in a place that's over a thousand miles away. 187 00:09:22,225 --> 00:09:23,430 I don't know. I mean, the kid did 188 00:09:23,514 --> 00:09:24,564 break her arm. 189 00:09:24,649 --> 00:09:26,773 Yeah, but it was a spiral fracture, 190 00:09:26,883 --> 00:09:28,366 which is actually pretty common. 191 00:09:28,451 --> 00:09:30,070 It can happen when you yank a toddler's arm 192 00:09:30,154 --> 00:09:31,638 or when you're just horsing around, 193 00:09:31,723 --> 00:09:33,304 which is what the dad told the doctors. 194 00:09:33,389 --> 00:09:35,882 Speaking of the father... 195 00:09:36,671 --> 00:09:37,869 Tell us what you know. 196 00:09:37,954 --> 00:09:39,663 His name is Jim Cooper. 197 00:09:39,748 --> 00:09:42,133 Went through kind of a dark period after his wife passed 198 00:09:42,218 --> 00:09:43,703 and his daughter disappeared. 199 00:09:43,841 --> 00:09:46,368 Couldn't hold down a job, got himself into a lot of debt. 200 00:09:46,453 --> 00:09:49,118 Lost his house. Some minor arrests for drunkenness. 201 00:09:49,203 --> 00:09:50,157 Then about eight years ago, 202 00:09:50,242 --> 00:09:52,188 he started to pull his life back together. 203 00:09:52,276 --> 00:09:54,294 Bought a water-softening franchise, 204 00:09:54,378 --> 00:09:57,149 remarried four years ago, has a two-and-a-half-year-old son, 205 00:09:57,234 --> 00:09:59,152 has six employees. 206 00:09:59,296 --> 00:10:01,969 I've dated guys whose bios read worse than this. 207 00:10:02,054 --> 00:10:04,537 Here's the thing. Bull keeps saying the literature 208 00:10:04,622 --> 00:10:07,102 is pretty clear about the fact that abuse tends to be cyclical. 209 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,063 I mean, even though this Jim Cooper remarried... 210 00:10:10,148 --> 00:10:12,493 You think he's abusing his new wife and kid? 211 00:10:12,578 --> 00:10:15,133 Well, I certainly hope not, but he probably had 212 00:10:15,218 --> 00:10:17,805 other relationships before he met his current wife. 213 00:10:18,341 --> 00:10:20,383 And if we can establish a pattern of abuse, 214 00:10:20,468 --> 00:10:23,696 it would certainly bolster Elena's credibility. 215 00:10:24,642 --> 00:10:26,962 Looks like I'm on a plane to sunny Florida. 216 00:10:27,204 --> 00:10:29,325 Do you know what the problem with this case is? 217 00:10:29,813 --> 00:10:33,251 Our client did exactly what she's being charged with. 218 00:10:33,516 --> 00:10:36,546 I'm starting to think our only choice might be to embrace that. 219 00:10:36,654 --> 00:10:38,219 Why would we do that? 220 00:10:38,304 --> 00:10:40,856 To gain credibility with the judge and the jury. 221 00:10:41,142 --> 00:10:43,427 Make a play for a lenient sentence. 222 00:10:43,567 --> 00:10:45,918 Our play is to get her acquitted. 223 00:10:46,173 --> 00:10:48,648 If we have to ask for a lenient sentence, 224 00:10:48,732 --> 00:10:51,727 it means we've lost, and our client didn't hire us to lose. 225 00:10:51,812 --> 00:10:54,086 Yeah, but, Bull, there is no defense for this crime. 226 00:10:54,171 --> 00:10:56,523 It's not like we can claim that it was an accident 227 00:10:56,607 --> 00:10:58,227 or self-defense or even insanity. 228 00:10:58,312 --> 00:10:59,462 I mean, she's guilty. 229 00:10:59,576 --> 00:11:00,735 She did it. 230 00:11:00,819 --> 00:11:02,771 She kidnapped her niece. 231 00:11:02,856 --> 00:11:04,675 Well, that's where jury nullification comes in. 232 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:07,333 We've got to convince this jury that the kidnapping law 233 00:11:07,418 --> 00:11:09,402 shouldn't apply to Elena's situation. 234 00:11:09,548 --> 00:11:12,274 She wasn't kidnapping her niece; She was rescuing her. 235 00:11:12,359 --> 00:11:14,277 Let the prosecution call it a kidnapping. 236 00:11:15,235 --> 00:11:16,810 We're gonna call it a rescue. 237 00:11:17,312 --> 00:11:19,144 I need to warn you... The first witness 238 00:11:19,229 --> 00:11:21,126 to take the stand today 239 00:11:21,252 --> 00:11:23,555 is going to be your former brother-in-law. 240 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,266 Whatever you may think about him, 241 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:28,911 we need you to understand the jury will almost certainly 242 00:11:28,996 --> 00:11:30,247 empathize with him. 243 00:11:30,573 --> 00:11:31,824 All they're gonna see 244 00:11:31,909 --> 00:11:34,532 is a young widower who lost his only child. 245 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:37,646 Wow. The bastard sobered up long enough 246 00:11:37,731 --> 00:11:40,852 to fly three hours up the coast so he could lie under oath? 247 00:11:41,465 --> 00:11:43,883 According to the prosecutor, he's been sober for years. 248 00:11:43,968 --> 00:11:46,533 He's also remarried, owns his own business, 249 00:11:46,618 --> 00:11:48,087 has a two-year-old son, 250 00:11:48,258 --> 00:11:50,680 and very much wants his daughter back. 251 00:11:50,821 --> 00:11:52,133 Angela, 252 00:11:52,218 --> 00:11:54,055 the reason we're telling you this... 253 00:11:56,876 --> 00:12:00,320 We need you to be careful not to react when he testifies. 254 00:12:00,404 --> 00:12:03,657 The jury is watching you, they're studying you. 255 00:12:04,282 --> 00:12:06,693 If they see anger, if they see contempt, 256 00:12:07,282 --> 00:12:09,930 they're gonna presume that you took this man's child 257 00:12:10,141 --> 00:12:11,932 out of spite. 258 00:12:12,046 --> 00:12:13,117 So... 259 00:12:13,258 --> 00:12:15,188 you got to the hospital, 260 00:12:15,273 --> 00:12:17,024 walked into your daughter's room, 261 00:12:17,109 --> 00:12:18,693 and she just wasn't there? 262 00:12:18,983 --> 00:12:21,302 Exactly. And no one... no one knew where she was. 263 00:12:21,387 --> 00:12:23,505 So, of course, I went to the police. 264 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:25,811 And how long before you figured out 265 00:12:25,896 --> 00:12:27,647 that it was probably your sister-in-law 266 00:12:27,731 --> 00:12:29,149 who had taken her? 267 00:12:29,233 --> 00:12:32,285 Maybe a day. There was hospital video. 268 00:12:32,369 --> 00:12:33,620 Uh... 269 00:12:33,704 --> 00:12:36,089 but the thing is, no one realized 270 00:12:36,173 --> 00:12:39,102 that she had taken her for good, 271 00:12:39,187 --> 00:12:40,638 that she'd left the state. 272 00:12:40,844 --> 00:12:43,530 I kept thinking that she had taken her to the movies 273 00:12:43,614 --> 00:12:45,610 or to some theme park to... 274 00:12:47,149 --> 00:12:48,802 take her mind off of her mother. 275 00:12:48,886 --> 00:12:50,018 Mr. Cooper. 276 00:12:50,828 --> 00:12:53,880 Did you ever hit your first wife? 277 00:12:54,057 --> 00:12:55,141 Never. 278 00:12:55,302 --> 00:12:57,554 Did you ever strike your daughter Sarah? 279 00:12:57,981 --> 00:12:59,110 Never. 280 00:12:59,195 --> 00:13:00,646 Mr. Cooper, 281 00:13:01,198 --> 00:13:04,673 if the defendant is found guilty, 282 00:13:04,844 --> 00:13:06,329 are you prepared 283 00:13:06,438 --> 00:13:08,860 to welcome your daughter back into your home? 284 00:13:10,063 --> 00:13:11,634 Prepared? I have been waiting 285 00:13:11,719 --> 00:13:12,901 12 years for this. I would do anything 286 00:13:12,985 --> 00:13:15,274 to have my child back. Yes. 287 00:13:17,221 --> 00:13:19,141 No further questions, Your Honor. 288 00:13:20,717 --> 00:13:21,985 Mr. Colón. 289 00:13:22,179 --> 00:13:23,263 Yes, Your Honor. 290 00:13:23,458 --> 00:13:24,977 Thank you, Your Honor. 291 00:13:28,649 --> 00:13:30,048 Mr. Cooper... 292 00:13:30,841 --> 00:13:34,337 we really appreciate you coming all this way to... 293 00:13:34,859 --> 00:13:36,290 share your recollections. 294 00:13:36,375 --> 00:13:38,927 Recollections? I-I-I'm talking about... 295 00:13:39,209 --> 00:13:40,426 my family. 296 00:13:40,511 --> 00:13:43,430 I'm talking about my blood, my-my child. 297 00:13:43,515 --> 00:13:45,667 Yes, yes, of course, of course, but... 298 00:13:45,976 --> 00:13:48,728 12 years is a long time. 299 00:13:49,165 --> 00:13:50,508 A lot has changed. 300 00:13:50,593 --> 00:13:51,843 Right? 301 00:13:51,928 --> 00:13:54,610 You're remarried, you have a two-year-old at home... 302 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:58,123 I never stopped looking. I... I never gave up. 303 00:13:58,208 --> 00:13:59,525 If you say so, sir. 304 00:14:00,201 --> 00:14:01,201 Now... 305 00:14:01,659 --> 00:14:05,743 you were unemployed at the time your daughter disappeared, 306 00:14:05,876 --> 00:14:08,125 - weren't you? - Yes, I-I had a tough time 307 00:14:08,210 --> 00:14:09,446 after my wife died. 308 00:14:09,531 --> 00:14:11,515 Completely understandable. 309 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,785 Although, our records indicate 310 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:15,822 that you were having a tough time 311 00:14:15,916 --> 00:14:18,431 even before your wife passed away, 312 00:14:18,516 --> 00:14:20,298 pretty much beginning with the birth 313 00:14:20,383 --> 00:14:21,782 of your first child, Sarah. 314 00:14:21,867 --> 00:14:23,051 Objection, Your Honor. 315 00:14:23,249 --> 00:14:26,587 Is counsel asking a question or testifying? 316 00:14:26,968 --> 00:14:28,610 Ask a question, Mr. Colón. 317 00:14:29,045 --> 00:14:31,797 Absolutely, Your Honor. My apologies, Your Honor. 318 00:14:32,232 --> 00:14:33,649 Uh... 319 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:37,843 approximately how many jobs would you say you held 320 00:14:37,935 --> 00:14:40,687 during the three-year period 321 00:14:40,772 --> 00:14:43,173 starting from the birth of your first child 322 00:14:43,258 --> 00:14:44,629 to the date that she disappeared? 323 00:14:45,352 --> 00:14:47,376 I don't know, I was still a young man, 324 00:14:47,461 --> 00:14:49,602 still trying to... find myself. 325 00:14:49,687 --> 00:14:50,555 Yeah, I get it. 326 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,358 I'm just looking for a number, sir. 327 00:14:53,173 --> 00:14:54,204 Three, maybe. 328 00:14:54,289 --> 00:14:55,306 Three. 329 00:14:55,812 --> 00:14:57,230 Three jobs in three years. 330 00:14:57,314 --> 00:14:58,564 That's what you're testifying to? 331 00:14:58,648 --> 00:14:59,610 Could be four. 332 00:14:59,695 --> 00:15:01,681 Objection, Your Honor. Relevance? 333 00:15:01,766 --> 00:15:03,403 Your Honor, the defense 334 00:15:03,487 --> 00:15:05,712 is just trying to illustrate to the jury 335 00:15:05,797 --> 00:15:09,688 that my client has never denied that she did what she did; 336 00:15:09,781 --> 00:15:12,696 The issue in this trial is why she did it. 337 00:15:12,852 --> 00:15:14,581 And that's all we are attempting 338 00:15:14,665 --> 00:15:16,683 to illuminate, Your Honor. 339 00:15:17,196 --> 00:15:19,201 Objection overruled. 340 00:15:19,498 --> 00:15:20,977 You may proceed. 341 00:15:21,397 --> 00:15:23,758 Yeah. Now, I'll ask just one more time. 342 00:15:23,843 --> 00:15:27,493 How many jobs did you hold during the three-year period 343 00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:29,313 after your daughter's birth? 344 00:15:30,766 --> 00:15:32,098 Five. 345 00:15:32,182 --> 00:15:34,534 Five. Really? 346 00:15:34,618 --> 00:15:35,774 Huh. 347 00:15:35,859 --> 00:15:37,744 Our records show 11, sir. 348 00:15:40,956 --> 00:15:42,626 Do you care to venture 349 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:45,766 as to how many alcohol-related arrests during that period? 350 00:15:46,696 --> 00:15:49,782 I imagine you have that number as well. Oh, I do, 351 00:15:49,904 --> 00:15:53,640 I do, and it's almost as high as the number of jobs lost. 352 00:15:54,531 --> 00:15:57,305 Again, beginning with the birth of your first child, 353 00:15:57,390 --> 00:15:59,956 you were also on periods of federal assistance, 354 00:16:00,041 --> 00:16:01,033 were you not? 355 00:16:01,118 --> 00:16:02,469 Yes. 356 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:04,674 I was on assistance, but I'm not any longer. 357 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:05,924 I haven't been for years. 358 00:16:06,009 --> 00:16:08,233 In fact, you remained on assistance 359 00:16:08,318 --> 00:16:10,947 for almost 18 months after your daughter's disappearance, right? 360 00:16:11,032 --> 00:16:12,643 Yeah. So? And isn't it also true 361 00:16:12,728 --> 00:16:14,322 that you never mentioned 362 00:16:14,407 --> 00:16:16,908 to your caseworker that your daughter was gone, 363 00:16:17,037 --> 00:16:18,855 so that you can continue to receive 364 00:16:19,063 --> 00:16:21,246 that extra assistance the government pays 365 00:16:21,331 --> 00:16:23,353 to families with minor children? 366 00:16:27,283 --> 00:16:28,588 How's the view? 367 00:16:28,752 --> 00:16:30,854 Nobody is switching sides yet, 368 00:16:30,939 --> 00:16:32,525 but I can see we definitely have 369 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:34,495 - their attention. - I'm sorry, 370 00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:36,064 I-I didn't hear what you said. 371 00:16:36,314 --> 00:16:37,949 Like I said, it was a difficult time. 372 00:16:38,034 --> 00:16:39,400 Ah. 373 00:16:40,653 --> 00:16:42,213 I made some mistakes. 374 00:16:43,361 --> 00:16:46,239 I didn't attend to certain things that needed attending to. 375 00:16:46,323 --> 00:16:47,607 I won't deny that. 376 00:16:48,049 --> 00:16:49,142 But I was a little busy 377 00:16:49,226 --> 00:16:51,963 putting up posters on telephone polls... 378 00:16:52,916 --> 00:16:55,147 spending my days looking for my child. 379 00:16:55,525 --> 00:16:57,080 Be that as it may, 380 00:16:57,165 --> 00:17:00,096 you accepted federal funds under false pretense, 381 00:17:00,419 --> 00:17:01,787 - didn't you? - Objection. 382 00:17:01,872 --> 00:17:03,150 Asked and answered. 383 00:17:03,235 --> 00:17:04,619 Objection sustained. 384 00:17:04,704 --> 00:17:06,822 Ask another question. 385 00:17:07,237 --> 00:17:09,650 Actually, I have no further questions, Your Honor. 386 00:17:25,846 --> 00:17:29,478 I'm worried. I haven't heard from Chloe since yesterday. 387 00:17:30,166 --> 00:17:31,723 That's funny, she missed her appointment 388 00:17:31,807 --> 00:17:34,383 with Chunk this morning to go over her testimony. 389 00:17:34,467 --> 00:17:37,775 All rise for the Honorable Judge Hopkins. 390 00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:42,857 Ms. Lawson, 391 00:17:42,942 --> 00:17:45,635 thank you for making the trip up from Florida. 392 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,872 Now, in 2008, 393 00:17:48,214 --> 00:17:50,399 you were the Florida Child Services investigator 394 00:17:50,483 --> 00:17:52,601 assigned to Sarah Cooper's case. 395 00:17:52,685 --> 00:17:54,291 - Isn't that correct? - Yes. 396 00:17:54,487 --> 00:17:57,072 And apparently, you were called to the home 397 00:17:57,156 --> 00:17:58,807 a number of times. 398 00:17:58,892 --> 00:18:00,443 I was. 399 00:18:00,528 --> 00:18:01,712 Her aunt... 400 00:18:01,894 --> 00:18:04,128 the defendant... 401 00:18:04,213 --> 00:18:05,714 seemed convinced that there was 402 00:18:05,798 --> 00:18:07,831 some sort of abuse going on in the household. 403 00:18:07,916 --> 00:18:09,385 So you investigated? 404 00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:10,421 I did. 405 00:18:10,506 --> 00:18:12,557 And what did you discover? 406 00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:15,588 I found some minor issues with hygiene. 407 00:18:15,673 --> 00:18:17,702 How do you mean? The kitchen sink 408 00:18:17,787 --> 00:18:19,018 had dirty dishes in it. 409 00:18:19,103 --> 00:18:21,688 Sarah's clothes hadn't been washed in a while. 410 00:18:22,064 --> 00:18:23,732 Pretty standard stuff. 411 00:18:23,816 --> 00:18:26,417 And frankly, to be expected in a household 412 00:18:26,502 --> 00:18:28,198 where the mother had just passed. 413 00:18:28,282 --> 00:18:29,548 And wasn't there also 414 00:18:29,644 --> 00:18:32,774 some concern about a bruise or bruises on her arms and legs? 415 00:18:33,002 --> 00:18:35,943 Again, concerns from the defendant. 416 00:18:36,028 --> 00:18:37,279 But when I saw the child, 417 00:18:37,363 --> 00:18:40,144 it was hard to determine exactly what we were looking at. 418 00:18:40,449 --> 00:18:43,684 Now, the law requires us to open an investigation 419 00:18:43,769 --> 00:18:46,722 24 hours after someone files a concern, 420 00:18:46,925 --> 00:18:48,290 and we did that. 421 00:18:48,479 --> 00:18:51,620 But it did take us a couple of days to get out there. 422 00:18:51,844 --> 00:18:54,529 And do you think that might have accounted for your inability 423 00:18:54,613 --> 00:18:58,331 to recognize these bruises or marks as evidence of abuse? 424 00:18:58,416 --> 00:18:59,967 Honestly, no. 425 00:19:00,323 --> 00:19:02,404 Generally speaking, in child welfare cases, 426 00:19:02,488 --> 00:19:04,973 you're almost always talking about injuries 427 00:19:05,057 --> 00:19:08,051 that are profound enough to still be in evidence 428 00:19:08,136 --> 00:19:10,151 72, even 96 hours later. 429 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,754 So you saw nothing that gave you cause 430 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:14,058 to consider removing the child 431 00:19:14,143 --> 00:19:15,727 - from the home? - Oh, gosh, no. 432 00:19:15,827 --> 00:19:17,511 That is always a last resort. 433 00:19:18,159 --> 00:19:21,323 My feeling was that it would be best to continue 434 00:19:21,407 --> 00:19:24,582 to monitor the case, check back with the family bimonthly, 435 00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:25,994 so that's what we did. 436 00:19:26,078 --> 00:19:28,030 And when the child was brought to the hospital 437 00:19:28,114 --> 00:19:28,995 with a broken arm? 438 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,932 We got there as quickly as we could. 439 00:19:31,511 --> 00:19:34,058 But unfortunately, when we arrived, 440 00:19:34,542 --> 00:19:37,506 the hospital had just discovered that she was missing. 441 00:19:41,604 --> 00:19:43,698 No further questions, Your Honor. 442 00:19:46,175 --> 00:19:47,082 I'm sure I don't need 443 00:19:47,174 --> 00:19:48,612 to tell you we didn't win any friends 444 00:19:48,696 --> 00:19:50,614 - with that testimony. - Hey. 445 00:19:50,770 --> 00:19:53,464 The inning's not over until both sides have been up to bat. 446 00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:55,261 Ms. Lawson, 447 00:19:56,034 --> 00:19:58,104 you have a... 448 00:19:58,344 --> 00:20:00,662 really difficult job, don't you? 449 00:20:00,948 --> 00:20:02,550 It's not the easiest. 450 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:04,964 In fact, even over a decade ago, 451 00:20:05,049 --> 00:20:08,065 while you were in the midst of the Sarah Cooper case, 452 00:20:08,187 --> 00:20:11,873 you were carrying double the recommended number of cases, 453 00:20:11,957 --> 00:20:12,792 isn't that right? 454 00:20:12,877 --> 00:20:14,362 Goes with the territory. 455 00:20:14,471 --> 00:20:15,736 At least in Florida. 456 00:20:15,821 --> 00:20:17,139 Now, Ms. Lawson, 457 00:20:17,604 --> 00:20:20,148 after Mrs. Cooper passed away 458 00:20:20,232 --> 00:20:23,659 and during the time Sarah was living with her father, 459 00:20:23,784 --> 00:20:25,605 were you aware of any children 460 00:20:25,690 --> 00:20:30,192 in the state of Florida that died as a result of abuse 461 00:20:30,409 --> 00:20:33,081 while being actively monitored by your agency? 462 00:20:33,879 --> 00:20:36,264 Sadly, I'm sure some did. 463 00:20:36,683 --> 00:20:38,487 I couldn't give you a number. 464 00:20:38,572 --> 00:20:40,534 We are talking about 12 years ago. 465 00:20:40,619 --> 00:20:41,870 Indeed. 466 00:20:42,659 --> 00:20:45,527 Would it surprise you to learn that 12 years ago, 467 00:20:45,612 --> 00:20:48,609 that number was actually 79? 468 00:20:51,157 --> 00:20:54,515 79 children died 469 00:20:54,948 --> 00:20:58,120 as a result of abuse while being actively monitored 470 00:20:58,204 --> 00:21:01,089 by Florida Child Service investigators. 471 00:21:01,173 --> 00:21:02,667 Now, 472 00:21:02,885 --> 00:21:04,434 how long do you think the defendant 473 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:05,237 should have waited? 474 00:21:05,346 --> 00:21:07,276 Objection. Calls for speculation. 475 00:21:07,361 --> 00:21:10,276 How long should the defendant have waited 476 00:21:10,472 --> 00:21:13,458 before her sister's child was number 80? 477 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:18,507 Mr. Colón. 478 00:21:18,783 --> 00:21:20,007 You are out of order. 479 00:21:20,092 --> 00:21:21,527 Now the jury will ignore 480 00:21:21,612 --> 00:21:22,744 that last question. 481 00:21:22,979 --> 00:21:24,312 I apologize, Your Honor. 482 00:21:24,396 --> 00:21:26,515 Actually, I have no further questions 483 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:27,886 at this time. 484 00:21:28,049 --> 00:21:29,249 Does the prosecution have 485 00:21:29,334 --> 00:21:31,252 any further questions for this witness? 486 00:21:31,464 --> 00:21:33,188 Not at this time, Your Honor. 487 00:21:33,701 --> 00:21:35,354 Then the witness is excused. 488 00:21:37,041 --> 00:21:39,800 Please call your next witness. 489 00:21:41,367 --> 00:21:44,286 The prosecution would like to call Sarah Cooper to the stand. 490 00:22:04,128 --> 00:22:06,940 What was it like to find out 491 00:22:07,041 --> 00:22:09,050 your name wasn't your name, 492 00:22:09,175 --> 00:22:11,315 your mother wasn't your mother? 493 00:22:11,556 --> 00:22:13,245 It's hard to describe. 494 00:22:13,808 --> 00:22:16,410 Were you surprised to learn that your biological father 495 00:22:16,495 --> 00:22:17,290 was alive, after being told 496 00:22:17,374 --> 00:22:20,479 for so many years that he had died 497 00:22:20,564 --> 00:22:22,003 in Afghanistan? 498 00:22:22,656 --> 00:22:23,673 Of course. 499 00:22:23,886 --> 00:22:25,047 And what were you thinking, 500 00:22:25,132 --> 00:22:28,190 when you sat here in this courtroom 501 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:30,628 two days ago and watched him, 502 00:22:30,744 --> 00:22:32,161 very much alive, 503 00:22:32,246 --> 00:22:35,573 testify about how much he loved you and missed you? 504 00:22:36,462 --> 00:22:38,604 Just that I wanted to talk to him. 505 00:22:40,041 --> 00:22:41,707 Get to know him a little bit. 506 00:22:42,666 --> 00:22:44,284 Now, 507 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:46,503 let's talk about your aunt. 508 00:22:47,785 --> 00:22:50,738 After years of telling you that she was your mother, 509 00:22:51,150 --> 00:22:53,112 that your father had died overseas, 510 00:22:53,197 --> 00:22:55,472 what did she tell you about your father 511 00:22:55,557 --> 00:22:58,643 once she admitted that he was, in fact, alive? 512 00:22:58,763 --> 00:23:01,012 What did she offer as an excuse 513 00:23:01,097 --> 00:23:03,424 for taking you from him? 514 00:23:03,675 --> 00:23:05,784 For keeping you from him? 515 00:23:06,063 --> 00:23:08,763 She said that he hurt my real mother. 516 00:23:11,497 --> 00:23:13,415 She said that he hurt me. 517 00:23:14,148 --> 00:23:15,370 He broke my arm. 518 00:23:15,455 --> 00:23:16,572 Did you believe her? 519 00:23:16,657 --> 00:23:19,042 Objection. Calls for speculation. 520 00:23:19,186 --> 00:23:21,112 The attorney is badgering the witness. 521 00:23:21,197 --> 00:23:23,378 And I question the relevance 522 00:23:23,463 --> 00:23:24,781 of this whole line of questioning. 523 00:23:24,865 --> 00:23:26,717 I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor. 524 00:23:26,802 --> 00:23:28,802 But if I may just ask one more thing. 525 00:23:30,036 --> 00:23:31,420 Sarah, 526 00:23:31,505 --> 00:23:33,423 are you open to the possibility 527 00:23:33,508 --> 00:23:35,347 of a relationship with your father 528 00:23:35,569 --> 00:23:37,336 now that you know that he is alive? 529 00:23:38,739 --> 00:23:40,183 I guess so. 530 00:23:41,706 --> 00:23:43,460 He seems nice. 531 00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:45,003 And I'd... 532 00:23:45,088 --> 00:23:47,706 kinda like to know what it's like to have a father. 533 00:23:50,128 --> 00:23:51,519 No further questions, 534 00:23:51,604 --> 00:23:52,978 Your Honor. 535 00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:57,487 Chloe... 536 00:23:58,674 --> 00:24:00,992 Is it okay if I call you Chloe? 537 00:24:01,169 --> 00:24:03,401 Would you rather I address you as Sarah? 538 00:24:03,726 --> 00:24:05,310 Chloe's okay. 539 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,034 I'm kinda used to Chloe. 540 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,569 Chloe it is. 541 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:12,203 Now, why do you think 542 00:24:12,459 --> 00:24:15,175 your mother made you believe your father was a war hero? 543 00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:16,344 I don't know. 544 00:24:16,429 --> 00:24:17,956 I guess so I'd respect him, 545 00:24:18,277 --> 00:24:19,550 feel good about him. 546 00:24:19,635 --> 00:24:20,952 And did she ever... 547 00:24:21,037 --> 00:24:23,597 say anything negative about him 548 00:24:23,784 --> 00:24:26,837 prior to the police charging her with kidnapping? 549 00:24:26,921 --> 00:24:28,144 No. Never. 550 00:24:28,922 --> 00:24:30,417 Actually, she always talked about him 551 00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:31,979 like he was pretty amazing. 552 00:24:32,064 --> 00:24:35,611 And would you say you've been well-cared-for 553 00:24:35,696 --> 00:24:37,308 these past 12 years? 554 00:24:38,284 --> 00:24:40,464 Well-clothed? Well-fed? 555 00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:42,134 Did you feel loved? 556 00:24:42,219 --> 00:24:43,569 I did. Yes. 557 00:24:43,654 --> 00:24:46,612 And didn't your mother put you in private school? 558 00:24:47,367 --> 00:24:49,909 Encourage you to learn the violin? 559 00:24:49,994 --> 00:24:52,183 Teach you Spanish and French? 560 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:53,831 You mean my aunt? 561 00:24:54,456 --> 00:24:55,308 Yes, 562 00:24:55,393 --> 00:24:57,244 she's been a wonderful parent to me. 563 00:24:57,523 --> 00:24:59,842 And you're old enough to understand that... 564 00:24:59,927 --> 00:25:01,978 private school, 565 00:25:02,063 --> 00:25:04,248 tutors, music lessons... 566 00:25:04,518 --> 00:25:06,277 All of that costs money. 567 00:25:06,654 --> 00:25:08,905 And who was it that was paying for it? 568 00:25:09,199 --> 00:25:10,381 My aunt. 569 00:25:10,466 --> 00:25:11,750 And, lastly, 570 00:25:11,835 --> 00:25:15,574 have you ever known your aunt to be violent or aggressive? 571 00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:16,681 No. 572 00:25:17,423 --> 00:25:18,839 Did she ever hit you? 573 00:25:18,924 --> 00:25:19,823 No. 574 00:25:19,908 --> 00:25:21,358 She ever curse at you?- No. 575 00:25:21,443 --> 00:25:23,095 Raise her voice? 576 00:25:23,738 --> 00:25:24,800 Once or twice. 577 00:25:24,885 --> 00:25:26,652 But I probably deserved it. 578 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:29,660 Do you think she loves you? 579 00:25:30,573 --> 00:25:31,902 Uh, yes. 580 00:25:32,452 --> 00:25:34,230 I know she does. 581 00:25:34,655 --> 00:25:36,136 Thank you. 582 00:25:36,413 --> 00:25:38,379 No further questions, Your Honor. 583 00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:43,247 Give me a burp. 584 00:25:43,441 --> 00:25:45,359 I can't put you down till I get a burp. 585 00:25:48,362 --> 00:25:49,769 Hey. 586 00:25:50,705 --> 00:25:52,410 That was the wrong end. 587 00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:54,948 Come on. 588 00:25:55,097 --> 00:25:56,246 I need a burp. 589 00:25:56,354 --> 00:25:57,671 Here we go. 590 00:25:58,028 --> 00:25:59,464 That's a girl. 591 00:26:00,495 --> 00:26:02,546 Give me a burp. 592 00:26:02,903 --> 00:26:04,903 I... 593 00:26:09,850 --> 00:26:11,368 Hello, Marissa. 594 00:26:11,538 --> 00:26:13,199 Am I catching you at a bad time? 595 00:26:13,284 --> 00:26:16,246 No, I'm just trying to wrap up the 10:00 p.m. feeding here 596 00:26:16,331 --> 00:26:17,849 in Astrid-land. 597 00:26:17,961 --> 00:26:19,212 Intake went well. 598 00:26:19,297 --> 00:26:21,105 We're just working on some outbound action. 599 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:22,107 What's up? 600 00:26:22,192 --> 00:26:24,043 Danny just called from Florida. 601 00:26:24,128 --> 00:26:26,324 She's found two people that seem to corroborate. 602 00:26:26,409 --> 00:26:27,860 Elena's story about Jim. 603 00:26:28,242 --> 00:26:29,480 One is a teacher 604 00:26:29,565 --> 00:26:31,616 at a preschool that Jim's two-year-old attended. 605 00:26:32,001 --> 00:26:35,454 That is until she asked questions about bruises 606 00:26:35,539 --> 00:26:38,128 the little boy started showing up to school with. Shh... 607 00:26:38,213 --> 00:26:39,576 And she also found 608 00:26:39,661 --> 00:26:42,046 a dermatologist his new wife was seeing. 609 00:26:42,256 --> 00:26:44,126 Apparently, she has something to say as well. 610 00:26:44,425 --> 00:26:47,266 Both are willing to fly up to testify. 611 00:26:47,351 --> 00:26:48,935 Well, why don't you e-mail me 612 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:50,479 all the pertinent details, 613 00:26:50,564 --> 00:26:52,002 and Benny and I will add 'em to the witness list 614 00:26:52,086 --> 00:26:53,291 tomorrow morning. 615 00:26:53,376 --> 00:26:55,508 Did Danny find the wife yet? 616 00:26:55,758 --> 00:26:57,485 She thinks she might be away on business, 617 00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:59,221 - but she's still looking. - Okay. 618 00:26:59,962 --> 00:27:01,869 Ooh, I felt that. 619 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:03,665 I got to go. 620 00:27:04,011 --> 00:27:06,295 Your Honor, these new witnesses 621 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:08,244 - aren't witnesses. - Excuse me, 622 00:27:08,329 --> 00:27:10,247 but the prosecution has rested. 623 00:27:10,453 --> 00:27:12,571 It is now time for the defense 624 00:27:12,656 --> 00:27:14,517 to present our defense, 625 00:27:14,602 --> 00:27:16,688 which is what we're trying to do right now, Your Honor. 626 00:27:16,772 --> 00:27:19,625 Your Honor, not only have we had no time to prepare... 627 00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:21,127 Oh, take all the time you need. 628 00:27:21,212 --> 00:27:22,212 Your Honor... 629 00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:25,204 The charges before the court 630 00:27:25,289 --> 00:27:27,064 are extremely serious... Which is why 631 00:27:27,149 --> 00:27:30,201 these witnesses are so important, Your Honor. 632 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:34,087 They directly contradict Jim Cooper's testimony. 633 00:27:34,242 --> 00:27:35,426 He said under oath 634 00:27:35,511 --> 00:27:38,097 that he has never physically abused anyone. 635 00:27:38,182 --> 00:27:40,000 Well, we have records 636 00:27:40,085 --> 00:27:42,478 from Jim Cooper's two-year-old son's 637 00:27:42,683 --> 00:27:44,447 former preschool teacher, 638 00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:46,717 who noticed fresh bruises on the boy. 639 00:27:46,924 --> 00:27:49,509 And when she confronted him about the bruises, 640 00:27:49,594 --> 00:27:52,119 the teacher said that he abruptly pulled the kid 641 00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:53,154 from the school. 642 00:27:53,239 --> 00:27:54,156 In other words, 643 00:27:54,241 --> 00:27:55,993 she witnessed nothing. 644 00:27:56,078 --> 00:27:57,328 And, secondly, 645 00:27:57,413 --> 00:28:00,466 the current Mrs. Cooper's dermatologist 646 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,826 treated her for a burn on her forearm, 647 00:28:03,911 --> 00:28:06,229 which she suspected was from a cigarette, 648 00:28:06,314 --> 00:28:07,447 less than four weeks ago. 649 00:28:07,532 --> 00:28:09,283 Again, this is circumstantial evidence 650 00:28:09,368 --> 00:28:11,753 and is irrelevant to the kidnapping charges. 651 00:28:15,285 --> 00:28:18,238 AUSA Knight makes a valid point. 652 00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:19,961 The real question 653 00:28:20,046 --> 00:28:22,898 is did the witnesses actually see. 654 00:28:23,012 --> 00:28:24,486 Mr. Cooper inflict these injuries. 655 00:28:24,571 --> 00:28:26,572 Judge Hopkins, we all know it's unlikely 656 00:28:26,657 --> 00:28:29,042 that Mr. Cooper would beat his two-year-old son 657 00:28:29,127 --> 00:28:30,384 in front of a crowd of onlookers 658 00:28:30,469 --> 00:28:32,306 or burn his wife in public. 659 00:28:32,466 --> 00:28:33,548 Your Honor, 660 00:28:33,633 --> 00:28:36,712 the jury should be allowed to hear the testimony, 661 00:28:36,949 --> 00:28:39,462 review the documents, draw their own inferences. 662 00:28:39,547 --> 00:28:41,390 No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm-I'm sorry. 663 00:28:41,475 --> 00:28:42,559 I don't agree. 664 00:28:42,643 --> 00:28:43,908 Mr. Cooper is not 665 00:28:43,993 --> 00:28:45,244 on trial here. 666 00:28:45,491 --> 00:28:47,242 And the probative value 667 00:28:47,327 --> 00:28:51,400 of what sounds like speculation and-and hearsay 668 00:28:51,485 --> 00:28:54,304 is outweighed by the prejudicial effect it's certain to have. 669 00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:55,640 And none of it is relevant 670 00:28:55,725 --> 00:28:58,572 as to whether or not your client kidnapped his child, 671 00:28:58,657 --> 00:29:01,806 which is the only issue the jury is here to resolve. 672 00:29:01,891 --> 00:29:05,525 Now, I have to agree with prosecution. 673 00:29:05,699 --> 00:29:07,290 Unless these people 674 00:29:07,375 --> 00:29:09,980 actually witnessed Mr. Cooper hurt someone, 675 00:29:10,065 --> 00:29:12,040 their testimony is irrelevant. 676 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:14,658 Do you have any other witnesses you want to present? 677 00:29:15,035 --> 00:29:16,219 With Your Honor's permission, 678 00:29:16,304 --> 00:29:19,022 we would like to ask for a one-day continuance. 679 00:29:19,379 --> 00:29:22,298 I'd love to confer with my client on next steps. 680 00:29:23,689 --> 00:29:25,072 It's like I told you. 681 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:28,182 Bottom line is she did it. 682 00:29:28,431 --> 00:29:30,470 She took this man's child. 683 00:29:31,091 --> 00:29:32,267 Kind of impossible 684 00:29:32,352 --> 00:29:35,251 to mount a defense against something that's indisputable. 685 00:29:42,051 --> 00:29:43,161 I just heard. 686 00:29:43,246 --> 00:29:44,824 No court today. 687 00:29:45,227 --> 00:29:47,567 They want me to change, take me back to prison. 688 00:29:47,681 --> 00:29:49,715 Is everything all right? 689 00:29:50,618 --> 00:29:51,902 We need to talk. 690 00:29:52,801 --> 00:29:54,020 We can 691 00:29:54,105 --> 00:29:54,949 press forward. 692 00:29:55,034 --> 00:29:57,020 Mr. Colón could put you on the stand. 693 00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:59,504 You're really the only witness we have. 694 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,006 Unfortunately, 695 00:30:01,753 --> 00:30:03,121 you're not the witness we need. 696 00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:05,641 What do you mean? 697 00:30:05,945 --> 00:30:06,902 We need someone 698 00:30:06,987 --> 00:30:08,572 who can tell the jury under oath 699 00:30:08,657 --> 00:30:12,543 that they've actually seen Mr. Cooper be physically abusive. 700 00:30:13,121 --> 00:30:15,301 Preferably multiple times. 701 00:30:15,484 --> 00:30:16,602 It's the only thing 702 00:30:16,687 --> 00:30:19,539 that's gonna make the jury second-guess 703 00:30:19,624 --> 00:30:20,817 the A.D.A.'s assertion 704 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,686 that you're nothing more than a kidnapper. 705 00:30:23,067 --> 00:30:25,327 With your permission, what I'd like to do 706 00:30:25,412 --> 00:30:28,129 is go to the A.D.A. and see if we can't broker 707 00:30:28,214 --> 00:30:29,331 some kind of a deal. 708 00:30:29,597 --> 00:30:31,176 She's not a stupid person. 709 00:30:31,261 --> 00:30:33,301 She knows that this hearsay 710 00:30:33,386 --> 00:30:35,917 and circumstantial evidence may not hold up in court, 711 00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:39,504 but I'm willing to bet she knows there's a whiff of truth to it. 712 00:30:40,215 --> 00:30:41,945 Maybe we can use that 713 00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:45,081 to wrestle some favorable terms from her. 714 00:30:45,598 --> 00:30:47,574 Would I still have to go to prison? 715 00:30:48,688 --> 00:30:50,082 Yes. 716 00:30:50,548 --> 00:30:53,152 I'm hoping we can keep it to less than five years, 717 00:30:53,237 --> 00:30:56,082 as opposed to the ten to 20 you're looking at now. 718 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,559 Oh, my God. 719 00:31:02,482 --> 00:31:03,949 What about Chloe? 720 00:31:04,862 --> 00:31:06,007 She'd be 721 00:31:06,092 --> 00:31:07,643 returned back to her father. 722 00:31:11,258 --> 00:31:12,402 She's 15. 723 00:31:12,518 --> 00:31:13,965 If he starts abusing her, 724 00:31:14,226 --> 00:31:16,144 it will not stay secret long. 725 00:31:16,229 --> 00:31:17,747 And for what it's worth, 726 00:31:17,854 --> 00:31:20,809 your ex-brother-in-law is on notice. 727 00:31:20,894 --> 00:31:22,008 He knows 728 00:31:22,093 --> 00:31:24,011 we're all watching. 729 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:26,965 And would I ever get to see her again? 730 00:31:28,337 --> 00:31:30,689 Do I get to see Chloe? 731 00:31:33,097 --> 00:31:35,410 You'd be a convicted kidnapper, so... 732 00:31:36,182 --> 00:31:37,293 no, I don't think 733 00:31:37,378 --> 00:31:38,996 that's at all likely. 734 00:31:54,017 --> 00:31:55,473 Mrs. Cooper? 735 00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:59,043 My name is Danny James. I'm an investigator 736 00:31:59,128 --> 00:32:01,582 working on a court case involving your husband 737 00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:04,246 and his daughter from a previous marriage. 738 00:32:04,726 --> 00:32:07,011 I'm... kind of on vacation with my son. 739 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,004 I don't really want to get involved. 740 00:32:09,089 --> 00:32:10,918 I promise, it'll be two minutes. 741 00:32:13,873 --> 00:32:16,309 Mrs. Cooper, don't make me get a subpoena. 742 00:32:23,814 --> 00:32:25,762 Can we make this fast? 743 00:32:26,551 --> 00:32:29,754 I-I promised my little boy I would take him to a water park. 744 00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:31,567 Sure. And I'm sorry. 745 00:32:32,263 --> 00:32:34,777 Uh, look, we have reason to believe that your husband 746 00:32:34,862 --> 00:32:37,567 may have been physically abusive to your little boy. 747 00:32:37,769 --> 00:32:39,582 And to you. 748 00:32:39,783 --> 00:32:41,134 Seriously? 749 00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:43,410 That's what you want to talk to me about? 750 00:32:43,691 --> 00:32:45,317 Where did you hear that? 751 00:32:45,402 --> 00:32:47,102 That's crazy. 752 00:32:48,007 --> 00:32:49,425 Are you married? 753 00:32:50,181 --> 00:32:51,285 You ever been married? 754 00:32:51,783 --> 00:32:53,867 No. Well, I've only been at it 755 00:32:53,951 --> 00:32:56,637 for a few years, but let me tell you two things 756 00:32:56,721 --> 00:32:57,957 I know for sure. 757 00:32:58,042 --> 00:33:00,594 One, marriage, 758 00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:04,533 like any deal, is filled with lots of good 759 00:33:04,618 --> 00:33:06,602 and also some bad. 760 00:33:06,687 --> 00:33:08,059 My boy. 761 00:33:08,144 --> 00:33:09,328 I love my boy. 762 00:33:10,144 --> 00:33:12,218 And that's one of the goods, one of the greats. 763 00:33:12,714 --> 00:33:14,582 And I don't worry much about... 764 00:33:14,718 --> 00:33:17,970 bills anymore, and you can't hate that, so... 765 00:33:18,055 --> 00:33:19,888 if my husband comes home sometimes 766 00:33:19,973 --> 00:33:22,199 and he's not in a stellar mood, then... 767 00:33:22,283 --> 00:33:23,350 I'm not just talking about someon 768 00:33:23,434 --> 00:33:24,660 in a bad mood, Mrs. Cooper. 769 00:33:24,744 --> 00:33:27,363 And the other thing... and you ought to know this... 770 00:33:27,456 --> 00:33:30,582 Uh, you can't force me to testify against my own husband. 771 00:33:31,633 --> 00:33:33,199 You can't. 772 00:33:34,621 --> 00:33:36,567 Plus, I don't have anything to testify to. 773 00:33:37,812 --> 00:33:40,145 So are we done here? 774 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:42,613 I can help you. I can help both of you. 775 00:33:43,987 --> 00:33:45,223 By how? 776 00:33:45,602 --> 00:33:48,129 By-by destroying my family? 777 00:33:48,879 --> 00:33:51,058 And anyway, like I said... 778 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,215 isn't what happens between a husband and a wife private? 779 00:33:54,315 --> 00:33:57,574 Conversations between spouses are privileged, but... 780 00:33:58,082 --> 00:34:00,731 not when there are allegations of abuse. 781 00:34:00,816 --> 00:34:02,567 Okay, I think you need to go now. 782 00:34:02,652 --> 00:34:04,637 You wouldn't have to look at him in court. 783 00:34:04,722 --> 00:34:06,598 We could have him sequestered. 784 00:34:06,683 --> 00:34:09,910 And after the trial, my boss and I, we would help you 785 00:34:09,995 --> 00:34:12,059 and your little son back on your feet. 786 00:34:12,144 --> 00:34:14,228 And in a safe place, I promise. 787 00:34:14,313 --> 00:34:16,131 That is... 788 00:34:16,473 --> 00:34:18,223 if you're willing to testify. 789 00:34:19,585 --> 00:34:20,590 That is... 790 00:34:20,675 --> 00:34:22,493 if you're willing to admit 791 00:34:22,937 --> 00:34:25,004 you actually have something to testify to. 792 00:34:27,355 --> 00:34:28,824 Mommy? 793 00:34:29,313 --> 00:34:30,692 Oh. 794 00:34:31,003 --> 00:34:32,442 Noah. 795 00:34:33,952 --> 00:34:36,098 Say hello to the nice lady. 796 00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:51,059 Let me call my mother. 797 00:34:52,236 --> 00:34:54,254 See if she can take my baby. 798 00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:57,598 Mrs. Cooper, 799 00:34:58,274 --> 00:35:01,660 I know it's uncomfortable you being here. 800 00:35:01,846 --> 00:35:05,332 We've sequestered your husband as per your request, 801 00:35:05,416 --> 00:35:07,364 and, speaking for the defense, 802 00:35:07,449 --> 00:35:09,367 we really appreciate you making the trip. 803 00:35:10,027 --> 00:35:11,997 - It's okay. - Now, 804 00:35:12,082 --> 00:35:16,102 when your husband told you he needed to come to New York 805 00:35:16,187 --> 00:35:17,838 for a court date, 806 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:20,291 did he explain the nature of the trial? 807 00:35:20,723 --> 00:35:22,239 Uh, no, not really. 808 00:35:22,867 --> 00:35:25,411 He said it was a business thing. 809 00:35:25,903 --> 00:35:28,364 So you and your two-year-old son 810 00:35:28,449 --> 00:35:30,900 just decided to take a little road trip? 811 00:35:31,145 --> 00:35:32,583 Yes. 812 00:35:32,868 --> 00:35:34,348 I just... 813 00:35:35,296 --> 00:35:37,270 with Jim away... 814 00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:40,551 I just needed to do some thinking. 815 00:35:40,636 --> 00:35:41,753 Well... 816 00:35:42,247 --> 00:35:44,887 I'm sorry to have interrupted your trip. 817 00:35:45,384 --> 00:35:47,584 So let me get right into it. 818 00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:50,785 Here goes nothing. 819 00:35:50,917 --> 00:35:52,200 Mrs. Cooper, 820 00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:55,137 have you ever been afraid of your husband? 821 00:35:55,566 --> 00:35:56,973 Yes. 822 00:35:57,058 --> 00:35:59,661 And can you please explain to the jury why? 823 00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:03,708 Uh, he yells at me sometimes. 824 00:36:04,726 --> 00:36:06,744 Like when our two-year-old cries. 825 00:36:07,608 --> 00:36:10,475 And he'll, uh, slam doors... 826 00:36:11,064 --> 00:36:14,217 break things when something upsets him. 827 00:36:14,552 --> 00:36:15,819 And in the past, 828 00:36:15,904 --> 00:36:18,468 when something upset him, has he ever gotten physical 829 00:36:18,553 --> 00:36:19,702 with you or Noah? 830 00:36:22,897 --> 00:36:24,815 This was from a week ago. 831 00:36:32,468 --> 00:36:33,578 Let the record reflect 832 00:36:33,662 --> 00:36:35,671 that the witness is talking 833 00:36:35,756 --> 00:36:39,758 about the bruising and swelling on the right side of her face. 834 00:36:40,844 --> 00:36:44,702 And can you please explain the events surrounding the injury? 835 00:36:45,248 --> 00:36:47,889 I told Jim I wanted to go back to school, 836 00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:52,163 and he started screaming about who would care for Noah. 837 00:36:52,758 --> 00:36:54,350 And then what happened? 838 00:36:54,825 --> 00:36:57,905 I-I told him... that we would figure it out. 839 00:36:57,997 --> 00:36:59,843 A lot of people figure it out. 840 00:37:00,104 --> 00:37:02,093 - And how did he respond? - He... 841 00:37:02,471 --> 00:37:04,882 balled up his fist and... 842 00:37:07,628 --> 00:37:09,212 I lost two teeth. 843 00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:17,600 Now, let's talk about your two-year-old son. 844 00:37:18,382 --> 00:37:21,374 He has his arm in a sling, doesn't he? 845 00:37:21,786 --> 00:37:22,975 He does. 846 00:37:23,083 --> 00:37:24,200 And... 847 00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:25,769 do you know what happened to him? 848 00:37:26,223 --> 00:37:28,366 Yes, and no. 849 00:37:28,893 --> 00:37:31,319 I had to work on a Saturday, 850 00:37:31,594 --> 00:37:33,460 and Jim stayed home with him. 851 00:37:33,912 --> 00:37:35,577 He wasn't happy about it. 852 00:37:37,334 --> 00:37:39,272 And when I got home eight hours later, 853 00:37:39,357 --> 00:37:42,025 they had already been to the emergency room and back. 854 00:37:43,551 --> 00:37:47,070 Apparently, Noah's arm got pulled out of its socket. 855 00:37:50,181 --> 00:37:52,272 Jim said they were just horsing around. 856 00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:58,107 What did Noah say? 857 00:37:58,192 --> 00:37:59,593 Objection. Hearsay. 858 00:37:59,779 --> 00:38:00,996 Your Honor, 859 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,731 the child is two years old. 860 00:38:03,181 --> 00:38:04,703 Would you really have me 861 00:38:04,788 --> 00:38:05,679 call him here 862 00:38:05,764 --> 00:38:08,432 - to testify? - I'll allow it. 863 00:38:09,061 --> 00:38:10,756 Witness will answer the question. 864 00:38:11,502 --> 00:38:13,587 No, he-he didn't really say anything. 865 00:38:13,841 --> 00:38:16,672 He's only two, and he's very shy. 866 00:38:18,374 --> 00:38:20,076 But every time Jim comes near him, 867 00:38:20,161 --> 00:38:21,998 - he hides behind my leg. - Objection. 868 00:38:22,083 --> 00:38:24,268 Your Honor, this is simply speculation. 869 00:38:24,353 --> 00:38:25,662 It proves nothing. 870 00:38:25,796 --> 00:38:28,281 Objection sustained. The jury will disregard 871 00:38:28,366 --> 00:38:29,896 the witness's testimony with respect 872 00:38:29,981 --> 00:38:31,802 to her two-year-old child. 873 00:38:32,388 --> 00:38:34,540 Isn't it true your son had 874 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:37,552 a preschool teacher that expressed concern 875 00:38:37,996 --> 00:38:40,848 about visible bruising on the boy's body 876 00:38:41,357 --> 00:38:43,007 and brought it to your husband's attention, 877 00:38:43,091 --> 00:38:46,630 who responded by withdrawing your child from the school? 878 00:38:46,738 --> 00:38:48,698 - Way to slip one in, Benny. - Your Honor, 879 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:51,154 objection. This is just more hearsay 880 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,912 masquerading as testimony. 881 00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:55,232 Objection sustained. Counselor, 882 00:38:55,607 --> 00:38:57,068 I know what you're doing. 883 00:38:57,153 --> 00:38:58,380 I don't like it. 884 00:38:58,465 --> 00:39:00,016 Now, I need you to ask questions 885 00:39:00,101 --> 00:39:01,685 that pertain only to events 886 00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:03,530 that the witness would have seen for herself. 887 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,484 Yes, Your Honor. 888 00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:06,920 Come on. 889 00:39:07,005 --> 00:39:08,935 They got to be reacting to this. 890 00:39:09,238 --> 00:39:12,099 Indeed they are. You just flipped two. 891 00:39:16,269 --> 00:39:17,584 Mrs. Cooper... 892 00:39:19,692 --> 00:39:22,435 were there any other incidents of physical violence 893 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,906 that either involved you or to which... 894 00:39:25,991 --> 00:39:27,709 you were a direct witness? 895 00:39:27,794 --> 00:39:30,546 He, uh... 896 00:39:30,881 --> 00:39:32,701 burned me. 897 00:39:33,915 --> 00:39:36,091 Here and here. 898 00:39:37,278 --> 00:39:38,462 With cigarettes. 899 00:39:39,154 --> 00:39:40,505 He... 900 00:39:41,353 --> 00:39:43,076 bit my ear. 901 00:39:43,994 --> 00:39:46,346 I had to get stitches. 902 00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:48,330 Anything else? 903 00:39:49,366 --> 00:39:51,310 He kicked me once. 904 00:39:52,279 --> 00:39:53,587 Kicked you where, 905 00:39:53,671 --> 00:39:55,355 Mrs. Cooper? 906 00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:57,791 Between my legs. 907 00:40:00,357 --> 00:40:01,461 And you were able 908 00:40:01,545 --> 00:40:04,076 to document each of these incidents? 909 00:40:04,756 --> 00:40:06,365 In each case, 910 00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:08,869 you went and sought medical attention afterwards? 911 00:40:09,193 --> 00:40:10,570 Yes. 912 00:40:10,802 --> 00:40:12,672 Although, I always made up a story 913 00:40:12,756 --> 00:40:14,989 as to how I got the injury. 914 00:40:15,492 --> 00:40:17,153 Thank you. 915 00:40:17,369 --> 00:40:19,135 No further questions, Your Honor. 916 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:28,889 So, you admit you lied about the details 917 00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:30,965 when you sought medical help for these... 918 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:33,135 so-called injuries? 919 00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:35,205 Yes. I was embarrassed. 920 00:40:35,461 --> 00:40:37,446 So tell me, Mrs. Cooper, 921 00:40:37,671 --> 00:40:40,528 now that we've established that you're an admitted liar, 922 00:40:40,984 --> 00:40:43,926 why should we believe anything else you say? 923 00:40:44,574 --> 00:40:45,691 For instance, 924 00:40:45,776 --> 00:40:48,777 how do we know these injures aren't self-inflicted? 925 00:40:50,065 --> 00:40:51,148 Well, I... 926 00:40:51,272 --> 00:40:53,591 I wouldn't burn my own arm... 927 00:40:54,003 --> 00:40:55,489 ma'am. 928 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,085 And I'm not even sure how I would bite my own ear. 929 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,380 Not to mention 930 00:41:00,488 --> 00:41:02,239 kick myself... 931 00:41:02,475 --> 00:41:04,262 where I indicated. 932 00:41:21,989 --> 00:41:23,918 Wait, where is Mr. Colón? 933 00:41:24,108 --> 00:41:25,528 Well, he stayed behind 934 00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:27,606 to talk to your ex-brother-in-law's new wife. 935 00:41:27,691 --> 00:41:29,879 She wanted to file charges against him, 936 00:41:30,192 --> 00:41:31,997 and Benny's offered to put her in touch 937 00:41:32,082 --> 00:41:33,497 with the D.A. in Florida. 938 00:41:37,363 --> 00:41:38,809 How do I do this? 939 00:41:39,516 --> 00:41:40,766 Where do I start? 940 00:41:40,851 --> 00:41:44,559 Am I Elena, or do I go back to being Angela? 941 00:41:44,825 --> 00:41:47,449 What do people call me? What do I call myself? 942 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,344 Mom! 943 00:41:55,392 --> 00:41:58,691 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 944 00:41:58,776 --> 00:42:00,598 Sync corrections by srjanapala 67378

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