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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,933 --> 00:00:06,833 - I need EMS. 2 00:00:06,866 --> 00:00:09,000 I have a man hanging from a swing set. 3 00:00:09,033 --> 00:00:10,866 - If you knew in your heart and in your mind 4 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:12,900 that someone took your child's life, 5 00:00:12,933 --> 00:00:15,333 how far would you go to get to the truth? 6 00:00:15,366 --> 00:00:17,033 - We sat there with no answers, 7 00:00:17,066 --> 00:00:19,666 and then they tell my mom it was suicide. 8 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:21,100 - Was there more to the story? 9 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:22,566 This doesn't make sense. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,566 Law enforcement did not do their job adequately. 11 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,900 - Honestly, it looked like it was a display, 12 00:00:27,933 --> 00:00:30,233 like it was a back-in-the-day lynching. 13 00:00:30,266 --> 00:00:31,966 - This community has a right 14 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,766 to demand more investigation! 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,066 female narrator: Filmmaker Jacqueline Olive 16 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:39,500 explores how the legacy of racial terrorism 17 00:00:39,533 --> 00:00:40,800 still haunts us today. 18 00:00:40,833 --> 00:00:42,366 - If you were black and alive, 19 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,333 you were always at risk to be killed. 20 00:00:44,366 --> 00:00:45,966 - That isn't ancient history. 21 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,400 A lot of the people involved in lynchings, 22 00:00:48,433 --> 00:00:49,933 they're still around today. 23 00:00:49,966 --> 00:00:52,100 - If together we face that history, 24 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:53,333 it leads to a dialogue; 25 00:00:53,366 --> 00:00:55,566 it leads to an opening for reconciliation. 26 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,033 narrator: "Always in Season," 27 00:00:57,066 --> 00:00:59,000 now only on Independent Lens. 28 00:00:59,033 --> 00:01:02,066 [dramatic music] 29 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:08,100 ♪ 30 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:22,233 [insects chirping] 31 00:02:00,466 --> 00:02:03,966 - Well, Lennon was about 18 months here. 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,866 Almost two. 33 00:02:12,133 --> 00:02:14,433 This is Lennon, the oldest. 34 00:02:14,466 --> 00:02:16,533 Young uncle. 35 00:02:28,433 --> 00:02:33,633 Think about it as if it was your son or your daughter. 36 00:02:33,666 --> 00:02:37,000 If you knew in your heart and in your mind 37 00:02:37,033 --> 00:02:39,866 that someone took your child's life, 38 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:41,533 and everything that you've done 39 00:02:41,566 --> 00:02:43,200 that's humanly possible, 40 00:02:43,233 --> 00:02:47,100 they've taken it and twisted it and turned it. 41 00:02:47,133 --> 00:02:50,433 How far would you go to get to the truth? 42 00:02:50,466 --> 00:02:53,500 How soon would you let it go? 43 00:02:53,533 --> 00:02:55,466 Neighborhood is supposed to be a connection 44 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:58,433 of your extended family. 45 00:02:58,466 --> 00:03:01,666 Someone in your family gets hurt, you hurt. 46 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:04,866 And until this wound is fixed and heals, 47 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:08,966 this neighborhood will always hurt 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,033 and always be a open wound. 49 00:03:12,066 --> 00:03:15,033 [mournful humming music] 50 00:03:15,066 --> 00:03:22,100 ♪ 51 00:03:24,733 --> 00:03:27,700 [phone dialing, line trilling] 52 00:03:27,733 --> 00:03:34,766 ♪ 53 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:08,233 [retches] Oh, God. 54 00:04:08,266 --> 00:04:11,300 [retching] 55 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:20,100 [solemn music] 56 00:04:20,133 --> 00:04:23,266 ♪ 57 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:25,900 - If you read the accounts of lynching, 58 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:30,033 the acts themselves were so horrifying 59 00:04:30,066 --> 00:04:32,866 that they became a kind of internal story 60 00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:35,166 of so many communities. 61 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,466 And yet, like children, we still hope and pray 62 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:39,766 that it's far enough in the past 63 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,966 that maybe we never have to talk about it. 64 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,033 ♪ 65 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,500 - This report is published with the hope 66 00:04:53,533 --> 00:04:57,100 that its sheer sadism and abnormal cruelty 67 00:04:57,133 --> 00:05:00,833 may stir thoughtful Americans to action. 68 00:05:00,866 --> 00:05:03,233 If this report does not do so, 69 00:05:03,266 --> 00:05:06,666 we fear that the situation is hopeless. 70 00:05:14,666 --> 00:05:18,500 - We have the Moore's Ford lynching from 1946, 71 00:05:18,533 --> 00:05:20,400 and no one has been charged. 72 00:05:20,433 --> 00:05:23,300 And you mean to tell me, after all these years, 73 00:05:23,333 --> 00:05:25,466 no one will speak up? 74 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:29,166 That angers me. Somebody knows something. 75 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:35,000 ♪ 76 00:05:35,033 --> 00:05:36,833 - I think that he was murdered. 77 00:05:36,866 --> 00:05:38,300 I think they hung him up 78 00:05:38,333 --> 00:05:41,000 to make it look like a suicide. 79 00:05:41,033 --> 00:05:42,366 A group of people in this area, 80 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,100 some of 'em are all for a good show of a lynching. 81 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:53,666 - It makes you realize that things like that still happen. 82 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:57,933 We might not see them all the time, 83 00:05:57,966 --> 00:06:00,366 but they still happen. 84 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:16,766 [dog barking and snarling] 85 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,000 - I grew up here. This has always been home. 86 00:06:21,266 --> 00:06:24,433 It has sort of a Andy Griffith feel. 87 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:27,100 A lot of the people are country folks 88 00:06:27,133 --> 00:06:30,366 and have a laid-back attitude. 89 00:06:32,366 --> 00:06:34,433 I've been in many places around the country 90 00:06:34,466 --> 00:06:37,066 where there's big cities and towns, 91 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:40,600 and I like the small-town atmosphere 92 00:06:40,633 --> 00:06:43,500 simply because it's a slower pace. 93 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:46,066 [nostalgic music] 94 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,133 ♪ 95 00:06:48,166 --> 00:06:49,766 In my growing-up time, 96 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,833 Cotton mill was the main employer, 97 00:06:52,866 --> 00:06:56,066 but were closed down by the 1980s. 98 00:06:57,766 --> 00:07:00,200 It was a farming town as well. 99 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:05,166 - Who's glad to be part of the Annual Bladenboro Beast Fest? 100 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,266 [cheers and applause] 101 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:09,566 - I don't know if you've heard of the "Beast of Bladenboro," 102 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:10,866 but they have a festival for that. 103 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:12,400 It's based on a legend. 104 00:07:14,633 --> 00:07:16,966 - In 1954, 105 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,166 some kind of animal killed a number of pets 106 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,666 and some livestock in the area-- 107 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,566 a figure in the dark. 108 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,000 The artist's conception is something-- 109 00:07:27,033 --> 00:07:31,200 almost a human-like, cat-like combination. 110 00:07:31,233 --> 00:07:32,633 - You notice about the Beast of Bladenboro, 111 00:07:32,666 --> 00:07:35,733 you don't ever see black people in that stuff. 112 00:07:35,766 --> 00:07:37,666 That's a myth that was perpetrated 113 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:42,033 by our light-skinned brothers and sisters. 114 00:07:42,066 --> 00:07:43,966 The Beast has always been black, 115 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,300 and black people always had a problem with that. 116 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:48,366 - We went with a black cat because that's the way 117 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,766 it had always been portrayed in the old articles. 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,933 It--you know, the--the killer cat. 119 00:07:52,966 --> 00:07:54,966 You know, the black cat. 120 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,400 It was supposed to be coming out of the swamp 121 00:07:57,433 --> 00:07:59,133 up into the edge of town. 122 00:07:59,166 --> 00:08:01,166 Everybody wanted to be the one 123 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,633 to get their picture in the newspapers 124 00:08:03,666 --> 00:08:05,433 that they captured the Beast. 125 00:08:05,466 --> 00:08:06,766 - And then, you know, they call it 126 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,133 the "Swamp in the Quarters" down there for a reason. 127 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:10,666 That's based upon that slave term, there, 128 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:13,000 from the slave quarters. 129 00:08:13,033 --> 00:08:15,000 And here in Bladenboro, 130 00:08:15,033 --> 00:08:19,066 most of the African Americans live in this particular area. 131 00:08:21,733 --> 00:08:24,700 - So right here, there was a cleaners, 132 00:08:24,733 --> 00:08:26,700 and right here was a little feed store. 133 00:08:26,733 --> 00:08:29,266 They done changed it now. 134 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,066 All these places that I'm telling you, 135 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:32,533 you knew where you could come 136 00:08:32,566 --> 00:08:34,600 and what time that your place was. 137 00:08:34,633 --> 00:08:36,366 You know, the first part of the morning 138 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,933 was mostly the business time, 139 00:08:39,966 --> 00:08:41,200 and the white people come first, 140 00:08:41,233 --> 00:08:43,033 and then the black people came. 141 00:08:44,633 --> 00:08:47,700 - We had it hard coming up. 142 00:08:47,733 --> 00:08:49,566 We all have our skeletons, 143 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,200 but honey, Bladenboro got skeletons 144 00:08:52,233 --> 00:08:55,600 that, if you open the door, they will scare you to death. 145 00:08:56,866 --> 00:09:00,533 Some things that you see, you keep it to yourself. 146 00:09:00,566 --> 00:09:03,666 You will live longer. 147 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:09,766 - I haven't experienced any, uh, personal racial division. 148 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,933 Everybody gets along. 149 00:09:18,233 --> 00:09:20,233 Of course, we do have the young man 150 00:09:20,266 --> 00:09:22,400 that was found hanging here 151 00:09:22,433 --> 00:09:24,766 in Bladenboro a couple of years ago. 152 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,966 Lennon Lacy was found hanging from a swing near his home, 153 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,400 I think, is the way the story went. 154 00:09:37,433 --> 00:09:39,833 Most people just don't know what happened there. 155 00:09:42,633 --> 00:09:44,066 - All right, I'm gonna take you by the cemetery 156 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:46,300 where Lennon's in. 157 00:09:48,433 --> 00:09:51,633 This here is my grandmother and my grandfather, 158 00:09:51,666 --> 00:09:53,700 Ed and Benjamin Lacy. 159 00:09:53,733 --> 00:09:57,300 And that's my uncle. He was a brickmason. 160 00:09:57,333 --> 00:09:58,833 And down here... 161 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,733 This is Lennon's grave, right here. 162 00:10:05,766 --> 00:10:07,466 That's Lennon's grave. 163 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:10,466 [sorrowful music] 164 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:17,533 ♪ 165 00:10:34,466 --> 00:10:36,300 - I'm playing basketball. 166 00:10:36,333 --> 00:10:38,066 - Is your brother showing you how to play? 167 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:39,433 - No. I already know how to play. 168 00:10:39,466 --> 00:10:40,500 Mm-hmm. - Okay. 169 00:10:40,533 --> 00:10:42,033 - I'm good at it. 170 00:10:42,066 --> 00:10:43,800 - Okay. 171 00:10:43,833 --> 00:10:48,200 ♪ 172 00:10:48,233 --> 00:10:51,300 Lennon would've never wanted me to not know 173 00:10:51,333 --> 00:10:53,600 what happened to him. 174 00:10:53,633 --> 00:10:55,500 You know, he would want me to have some type of closure 175 00:10:55,533 --> 00:10:57,733 because we were very close. 176 00:10:57,766 --> 00:11:01,766 Told my son there was nothing too insignificant 177 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,166 that you can't tell me. 178 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,566 179 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,200 I know everything about your body, 180 00:11:07,233 --> 00:11:08,966 everything about you. 181 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,700 all: Give us, Lord, our daily bread. Amen. 182 00:11:13,733 --> 00:11:15,566 - For them to say what they did, 183 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,433 as far as he had taken his own life, 184 00:11:17,466 --> 00:11:21,000 I couldn't see that. 185 00:11:21,033 --> 00:11:24,266 He had too much to live for. 186 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,466 Too much. 187 00:11:27,433 --> 00:11:29,500 And I just want justice and closure. 188 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,233 Last time I talked to Lennon 189 00:11:37,266 --> 00:11:40,300 was the day that we buried my uncle. 190 00:11:42,366 --> 00:11:45,133 So we all came back here. 191 00:11:45,166 --> 00:11:48,800 After the funeral, Lennon was dressed down. 192 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:51,966 He had on his dark-blue sweatpants, 193 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,933 a sports jersey with "Bladen" on the front of it, 194 00:11:54,966 --> 00:11:57,066 and his tennis shoes stuck out 195 00:11:57,100 --> 00:11:59,566 because they were that neon green, 196 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,066 but that's the color he wanted 197 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:02,533 because he had a hat that it matched, too, 198 00:12:02,566 --> 00:12:04,033 'cause he bought the whole outfit. 199 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:06,833 The hat, the pants, and the shirt, and the shoes matched. 200 00:12:08,933 --> 00:12:10,433 I said, "Well, I'm gonna go head to bed 201 00:12:10,466 --> 00:12:13,100 'cause I'm tired and don't feel too good. So..." 202 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,200 Lennon was like, "I got to finish hanging out my things 203 00:12:15,233 --> 00:12:17,466 for a football game tomorrow." 204 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:19,066 So he kissed me on the forehead. 205 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:20,800 I said, "Don't forget to take that stuff off the line," 206 00:12:20,833 --> 00:12:23,100 and I went to bed. 207 00:12:23,133 --> 00:12:25,466 And that was the last time I talked to Lennon. 208 00:12:29,833 --> 00:12:32,466 In the morning, I was talking to my sister over the phone 209 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:34,833 because she was checking in on me. 210 00:12:34,866 --> 00:12:36,266 I happened to glance out the window, 211 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:39,200 and I said, "Lennon's done left his jersey 212 00:12:39,233 --> 00:12:42,266 and his support socks on the clothesline." 213 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:44,100 She said, "Well, I'ma let you go." 214 00:12:44,133 --> 00:12:45,700 She--"'Cause I know you got to run to the schoolhouse 215 00:12:45,733 --> 00:12:46,966 and drop off his things." 216 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,666 And there was a knock at the door. 217 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:54,433 Chief Hunt is on the other side. 218 00:12:54,466 --> 00:12:57,900 He let me know that I needed to go with him. 219 00:12:57,933 --> 00:13:02,733 I got in my vehicle, and I followed him over to the park. 220 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:05,333 There was a crowd of people 221 00:13:05,366 --> 00:13:08,000 standing on the side of the road, 222 00:13:08,033 --> 00:13:09,766 and I noticed 223 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,266 that the police was rolling up crime scene yellow tape 224 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:15,566 from around one of the swing sets. 225 00:13:16,866 --> 00:13:19,533 The State Bureau investigator told me 226 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:22,966 that I needed to see if this was my son. 227 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,133 I go up the three steps, sit on the back of the EMT. 228 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:30,566 I got close--as close as you could get 229 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,166 other than laying on top of his body-- 230 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,800 to look and see and feel and touch and smell his body. 231 00:13:36,833 --> 00:13:41,900 And I rubbed his face. I rubbed his chest... 232 00:13:41,933 --> 00:13:43,433 and I just looked at him with amaze 233 00:13:43,466 --> 00:13:47,666 'cause I was literally... 234 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:50,900 disbelief... 235 00:13:50,933 --> 00:13:53,366 that it--you know, his lifeless body was there, 236 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,966 and I just saw him a couple of hours prior. 237 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,400 ♪ 238 00:13:59,433 --> 00:14:02,733 It was unreal... 239 00:14:02,766 --> 00:14:04,366 like I was watching a bad movie 240 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,066 and it was never gonna end. 241 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,900 And from that point on, it became a blur to me. 242 00:14:11,933 --> 00:14:16,066 and I tried to allow my family members-- 243 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:18,366 other family members-- to deal with the police. 244 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,666 I couldn't deal with any more than what I was dealing with. 245 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:23,566 I just couldn't. 246 00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:30,033 - At the time, I was working in Stafford, Virginia. 247 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,300 And then my supervisor is like, 248 00:14:34,333 --> 00:14:36,033 "Hey, you got a phone call." 249 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,866 And my godbrother was... 250 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:45,666 he was telling me, "They found Lennon." 251 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:47,066 I said, "'They?' Who're 'they'? 252 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:48,200 And what are you talking about?" 253 00:14:48,233 --> 00:14:49,500 He was like, 254 00:14:49,533 --> 00:14:50,933 "They found him dead. 255 00:14:50,966 --> 00:14:55,966 They say he hung himself. He committed suicide." 256 00:14:58,300 --> 00:15:00,533 He wouldn't do nothing like that. 257 00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:05,400 I just--you know, I just saw him a couple weeks ago. 258 00:15:05,433 --> 00:15:08,466 That wasn't on his mind. 259 00:15:11,633 --> 00:15:13,266 I started crying. 260 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:16,500 I was--I wanted to stop crying, but I couldn't. 261 00:15:16,533 --> 00:15:19,900 I cried from my job all the way to my mom's house. 262 00:15:22,266 --> 00:15:25,433 When I walked in the house, I was just--I saw my mom. 263 00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:27,533 I'm like... 264 00:15:27,566 --> 00:15:30,366 "How? 265 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,566 How did this happen?" You know? 266 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,233 And she--she couldn't-- she couldn't really-- 267 00:15:38,266 --> 00:15:42,833 she couldn't even really look at me because she was so hurt. 268 00:15:42,866 --> 00:15:45,233 And it hadn't--you know, I didn't take nothing personal. 269 00:15:45,266 --> 00:15:47,900 It just hurt me to know that she was that hurt. 270 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:55,300 And I couldn't imagine what was going on through her mind 271 00:15:55,333 --> 00:15:58,500 when she had to go out there... 272 00:15:58,533 --> 00:16:01,833 and see him like that. 273 00:16:01,866 --> 00:16:05,366 And then they tell her 274 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,900 she don't know what she talkin' about. 275 00:16:07,933 --> 00:16:10,366 "He did this to himself." 276 00:16:12,333 --> 00:16:18,533 And you gonna force-feed a lie to my whole entire family 277 00:16:18,566 --> 00:16:21,566 and make us think we're crazy? 278 00:16:24,766 --> 00:16:27,100 It looked like... 279 00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:29,600 honestly, it looked like it was a display, 280 00:16:29,633 --> 00:16:31,966 like it was a message, 281 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,666 like it was a-- a back-in-the-day lynching. 282 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:38,366 Like, that's what it-- that's how it made me feel. 283 00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:41,600 That's how it made me feel. 284 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:48,366 [mournful humming music] 285 00:16:51,633 --> 00:16:57,466 ♪ 286 00:16:57,500 --> 00:17:01,833 - Lynching as a form of racial terrorism 287 00:17:01,866 --> 00:17:04,533 is a very particular thing. 288 00:17:04,566 --> 00:17:07,266 ♪ 289 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:09,866 And that really began after the Civil War 290 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:13,033 during the Reconstruction period 291 00:17:13,066 --> 00:17:16,300 when newly emancipated slaves were making political gains, 292 00:17:16,333 --> 00:17:19,900 economic gains, educational gains. 293 00:17:19,933 --> 00:17:22,600 Between the 1890s and 1960, 294 00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:25,766 there were about 5,000 lynchings in the United States, 295 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,533 most of them of African American men, 296 00:17:27,566 --> 00:17:29,000 although there were a few dozen cases 297 00:17:29,033 --> 00:17:32,000 of African American women. 298 00:17:32,033 --> 00:17:34,000 Mostly they did happen in the South, 299 00:17:34,033 --> 00:17:38,233 but they happened all over throughout the United States. 300 00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:41,266 And lynchings very often involved hangings, 301 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:44,200 very often involved shooting, 302 00:17:44,233 --> 00:17:49,100 but also burning, including burning alive, of victims. 303 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:53,766 But it really was the character of the murder 304 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,333 that made it a lynching. 305 00:17:56,366 --> 00:17:59,366 Those who were involved in the lynching perceived themselves 306 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,000 as having the right to do this, 307 00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:04,233 and that's why it's most often done openly 308 00:18:04,266 --> 00:18:06,100 and notoriously 309 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:09,300 with the participation of average people... 310 00:18:10,933 --> 00:18:13,900 Not just to punish the individual person, 311 00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:17,600 but as a symbol, as a sign to the larger community-- 312 00:18:17,633 --> 00:18:20,633 both the white community and the black community. 313 00:18:20,666 --> 00:18:23,133 Lynching was a message crime. 314 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,333 Sometimes they happened in the woods, 315 00:18:26,366 --> 00:18:27,833 but most often, 316 00:18:27,866 --> 00:18:31,133 they happened in places where the body would be seen, 317 00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:36,066 sometimes in a crowd of 10 or 15,000 spectators. 318 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,800 And it's the public nature of lynching 319 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:41,066 that really condemns the white community 320 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:43,833 because the idea that people didn't know... 321 00:18:43,866 --> 00:18:47,766 They did know. 322 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:54,833 ♪ 323 00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:16,700 - "At sundown, the negro will be taken 324 00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:19,400 "to the farm two miles from here 325 00:19:19,433 --> 00:19:24,300 "where Miss Lola Cannady, the murder victim, lived. 326 00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:30,066 "There he will be mutilated by the girl's father. 327 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:34,100 "Then he will be brought to the pigpen and murdered 328 00:19:34,133 --> 00:19:37,800 "where the girl's body was found. 329 00:19:37,833 --> 00:19:42,100 "Finally his body will be brought to the county seat 330 00:19:42,133 --> 00:19:43,866 "nine miles from here 331 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:49,200 "and hung in the courthouse square for all to see. 332 00:19:49,233 --> 00:19:53,533 All white folks are invited to the party." 333 00:19:55,833 --> 00:19:59,366 ♪ 334 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,433 [overlapping chatter] 335 00:20:18,933 --> 00:20:21,266 - We want that nigger, Roger! 336 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:23,333 Now! Get him out! 337 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:27,500 - Get out of the car, nigger! 338 00:20:27,533 --> 00:20:28,833 [men shouting] 339 00:20:28,866 --> 00:20:30,600 Who do you think you are? 340 00:20:30,633 --> 00:20:34,366 [overlapping shouting] 341 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,766 - Take him down! 342 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,233 - [wailing] Why are you doing this to me? 343 00:20:38,266 --> 00:20:39,866 What are you doing? 344 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,800 [shouting continues, blows land] 345 00:20:41,833 --> 00:20:43,633 - Please! Don't hurt us! 346 00:20:43,666 --> 00:20:46,333 We didn't do nothing! We didn't do nothing! 347 00:20:47,766 --> 00:20:51,966 We didn't do nothing! [screaming continues] 348 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,666 - Get the niggers tied up! 349 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:55,633 - Please don't kill us! 350 00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:57,300 [screaming continues] 351 00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:58,566 All right. Get your rifle-- 352 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,000 get your guns ready. 353 00:21:01,033 --> 00:21:02,766 [shouting continues] 354 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,266 - Please! - Please don't kill her. 355 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:07,800 - Please don't kill me. [crying] Please don't kill me. 356 00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,300 No! No! 357 00:21:09,333 --> 00:21:12,366 [gunshots fire] 358 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:15,466 [wailing] 359 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:19,133 - Make sure he's dead. 360 00:21:19,166 --> 00:21:20,533 - All right, one more time. Come on. 361 00:21:20,566 --> 00:21:22,166 Let's make sure that nigger's dead! 362 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,933 [gunfire continues] 363 00:21:24,966 --> 00:21:27,433 - The baby. Get the baby. 364 00:21:27,466 --> 00:21:30,066 - Cover me, and we gonna back up. 365 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,733 - And then open up when she gets the baby. 366 00:21:31,766 --> 00:21:33,800 Open up. 367 00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:37,666 Open up. - [grunts] 368 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:39,700 - This good, boss? - That's real good. 369 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,700 [crowd gasps] Real good. 370 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:47,833 Lloyd, do you see anybody you know here? 371 00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:51,533 I'm asking you. You see anybody you know here? 372 00:21:51,566 --> 00:21:52,900 - No. - That's what I thought. 373 00:21:52,933 --> 00:21:55,133 Get him out of here. Get him the hell out of here. 374 00:22:02,333 --> 00:22:03,966 - [exhales heavily] 375 00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:13,966 Hmm. 376 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,633 I don't think I've watched it since I did it. 377 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:22,466 You can feel it out here. 378 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,633 You can feel the spirit of those that died out here 379 00:22:25,666 --> 00:22:27,666 when we came out and we did-- 380 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:30,600 you know, did just the rehearsal. 381 00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,600 Just since I've been here in this town, 382 00:22:32,633 --> 00:22:36,133 I see the way that they look at you 383 00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:39,266 and the--this feeling of 384 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,800 "Nobody should say anything. We don't want to talk." 385 00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:43,733 You know. "Let's not talk about this." 386 00:22:43,766 --> 00:22:46,866 - [crying] 387 00:22:57,733 --> 00:23:01,033 - Since 2005, Civil Rights activists 388 00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:03,500 have returned to the Moore's Ford Bridge 389 00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:06,400 to re-create the night two black couples, 390 00:23:06,433 --> 00:23:08,266 Roger and Dorothy Malcom 391 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,500 and George and Mae Murray Dorsey, 392 00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:14,500 were lynched by the Ku Klux Klan in 1946. 393 00:23:14,533 --> 00:23:15,766 No one has ever-- 394 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,633 - An outraged President Harry Truman 395 00:23:17,666 --> 00:23:19,266 ordered a federal investigation 396 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,100 and a grand jury was convened, 397 00:23:21,133 --> 00:23:23,766 yet no indictments were brought for the killings. 398 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,266 The FBI reopened its case in 2007. 399 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:28,733 Georgia state representatives-- 400 00:23:28,766 --> 00:23:31,300 - The reenactment serves as a dramatic call to action 401 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:34,000 and an annual reminder to the Monroe community 402 00:23:34,033 --> 00:23:36,866 that an injustice has never been corrected. 403 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,433 Chelsea Bailey, NBC News. 404 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,100 - And this place is an eerie place, you know? 405 00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:50,666 [chuckles] I didn't remember until we came here today 406 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,933 that we went up under this bridge 407 00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:56,133 and there was writings 408 00:23:56,166 --> 00:23:58,766 that the Ku Klux Klanhad put under this-- 409 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,700 under this very bridgethat we're standing on. 410 00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:03,300 - Wow. 411 00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:20,300 ♪ 412 00:24:20,333 --> 00:24:24,000 because I'm helping to, - It m hopefully,l sad. 413 00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:28,533 bring some closure to what happened with these families. 414 00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:34,000 It's intense just watching the reenactment. 415 00:24:34,033 --> 00:24:36,166 It's intense thinking about the fact 416 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,866 that it's getting ready to happen again. 417 00:24:48,933 --> 00:24:51,166 - All right, one more time. Sharice, I need you louder. 418 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,900 Sharice? Action. 419 00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:55,533 - I don't care. I wanna know.This is my town. 420 00:24:55,566 --> 00:24:57,533 - I need you to stay. Please. - I wanna know. 421 00:24:57,566 --> 00:24:59,566 - Nigger, what are you doing on my land? 422 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,400 - You have been with my wife! - Come on back. 423 00:25:01,433 --> 00:25:03,333 - You're a lying man! - What is going on? 424 00:25:03,366 --> 00:25:05,033 - Nigger, get off my land. 425 00:25:05,066 --> 00:25:06,433 - I'll get off your land when you-- 426 00:25:06,466 --> 00:25:08,333 - Roger-- [screams] 427 00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:10,333 - Oh, you still hit him upthe back, but that's good. 428 00:25:10,366 --> 00:25:12,233 Okay. Good. Good. 429 00:25:12,266 --> 00:25:13,966 - You killed him. 430 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,400 - That's "Mr. Malcom" to you. 431 00:25:15,433 --> 00:25:17,966 Good. Okay. You all right, Mr. Barney? 432 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,200 - Oh, yeah. - [laughs] 433 00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:20,700 That was good. Look. 434 00:25:20,733 --> 00:25:22,833 They keep wanting to stab you in your back, but it's okay. 435 00:25:22,866 --> 00:25:25,566 We'll get it in the front, I think. 436 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,966 All right, so that's scene one. We're going to the next scene. 437 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,600 I will be directing 438 00:25:30,633 --> 00:25:33,200 the Moore's Ford Bridge lynching reenactment 439 00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:35,666 for my third year this year. 440 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:40,366 I've been doing plays for about 10 or 11 years now. 441 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,866 It was all because of social issues that I saw 442 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,266 that needed to be addressed that no one wanted to address, 443 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,566 and those are the issues that I go for. 444 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,633 - Fire! - [imitating gunfire] 445 00:25:54,666 --> 00:25:56,600 No more moving. 446 00:25:56,633 --> 00:25:59,333 It wasn't just killing these people. 447 00:25:59,366 --> 00:26:01,400 It was overkill. 448 00:26:01,433 --> 00:26:03,700 They were shot so many times. 449 00:26:03,733 --> 00:26:06,833 Dorothy being pregnant didn't matter. 450 00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:08,666 Pulls it up. Yep. "Got it." 451 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,266 "Got it, boss." Down. 452 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,466 The baby was taken out of her body. 453 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,500 A baby. 454 00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:18,133 Out of a woman's body. 455 00:26:18,166 --> 00:26:20,866 Whether black, white... 456 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,133 so we really push that part 457 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:28,600 so that they know that this was some sick stuff. 458 00:26:28,633 --> 00:26:30,733 - Okay. - All right, actors. 459 00:26:30,766 --> 00:26:33,166 How did y'all--how did y'all-- you all dead folk. 460 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,333 How do y'all feel about-- y'all get up. 461 00:26:40,133 --> 00:26:43,033 This year, we're trying to bring in more actors 462 00:26:43,066 --> 00:26:44,733 to play Klansmen. 463 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,933 Believe it or not, it's hard to get whites 464 00:26:49,966 --> 00:26:53,600 that live in the area to participate 465 00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:56,233 because a lot of people are actually afraid 466 00:26:56,266 --> 00:27:01,000 of coming out and facing what happened. 467 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,200 When we go into Monroe, I mean, you can feel, 468 00:27:10,233 --> 00:27:13,700 like, "What the heck are you all doing here?" 469 00:27:17,833 --> 00:27:19,000 - Since I've been here, every year 470 00:27:19,033 --> 00:27:20,433 they have the reenactment, 471 00:27:20,466 --> 00:27:21,766 and in my opinion, 472 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,066 leave the past in the past. 473 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:24,733 Let these people rest. 474 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,333 - You know, I directed the first two reenactments, 475 00:27:29,366 --> 00:27:32,033 and I had a whole crew of white people 476 00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:33,633 that played the Klan. 477 00:27:33,666 --> 00:27:34,966 And it was just two days 478 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,333 before we were supposed to have the reenactment, 479 00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:39,300 and all these guys had backed out 480 00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:41,600 and were saying that they couldn't do it. 481 00:27:41,633 --> 00:27:44,800 So we used white masks and things on black people 482 00:27:44,833 --> 00:27:46,533 to play Klan that first year. 483 00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:50,766 - They had swastikas drawn on, and there were black people 484 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,466 that had colored their faces in white, 485 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,533 and could you imagine us doing a blackface reenactment? 486 00:27:56,566 --> 00:28:00,800 It would be on every news thing in the entire world. 487 00:28:00,833 --> 00:28:03,600 When you have a reenactment of something that horrific 488 00:28:03,633 --> 00:28:05,000 every single year, 489 00:28:05,033 --> 00:28:08,300 what does it teach young black people? 490 00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:10,700 But I think what we need to do is say, "That happened, 491 00:28:10,733 --> 00:28:12,600 but look where we are today." 492 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,666 - I think it's one of the most greatest things 493 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,066 that ever happened in Walton County 494 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,133 because we--we want justice. 495 00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:26,400 We need justice, and that has not happened as of yet. 496 00:28:29,066 --> 00:28:34,633 - Any injustice affects everybody that's around it. 497 00:28:34,666 --> 00:28:38,333 So why are we so afraid of the truth coming out? 498 00:28:38,366 --> 00:28:41,266 Why are we so afraid to talk about it? 499 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,566 And that's what the reenactment does-- 500 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,766 Keeps it in the light. 501 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,066 We don't want anything in the dark. 502 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:49,666 Bring it to the light. 503 00:28:57,233 --> 00:29:00,366 [indistinct conversation] 504 00:29:08,466 --> 00:29:12,900 - They desecrated the grave five days after he was buried. 505 00:29:12,933 --> 00:29:15,700 They took--took his flowers off of it 506 00:29:15,733 --> 00:29:17,600 and threw 'em way back over here, 507 00:29:17,633 --> 00:29:21,700 and the West Bladen Styrofoam WB, 508 00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:23,166 they took and broke it, 509 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600 threw it way over by the street. 510 00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:27,966 You see how the sand is? 511 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,666 They had dug a hole deep enough where the guy, 512 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,233 one of his classmates, stuck his arm way up here. 513 00:29:34,266 --> 00:29:35,900 He stuck his arm all the way in the hole 514 00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:38,200 where they had dug the grave--dug sand out of it 515 00:29:38,233 --> 00:29:41,033 like they were trying to dig up his grave, yeah. 516 00:29:41,066 --> 00:29:43,300 And they said it was not racial or a hate crime. 517 00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,366 I said, "I don't know why it wouldn't be." 518 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,533 Lennon as an individual, losing his uncle, 519 00:29:56,566 --> 00:29:59,666 which is more or less like a grandfather, 520 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:03,466 and then having his first major, serious breakup 521 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,666 with a female, 522 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,800 I guess people would say that would be a lot 523 00:30:08,833 --> 00:30:11,766 for a teenager to deal with, 524 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,566 but Lennon was not a typical teenager. 525 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,733 Like-- [train rushes by] 526 00:30:14,766 --> 00:30:16,466 - Sorry, the... - Oh, yeah. I know it. 527 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:17,800 I know it. I hate that thing. 528 00:30:17,833 --> 00:30:18,833 - That was real good, though. You got it. 529 00:30:18,866 --> 00:30:20,766 - I hate that thing. 530 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,833 [whistle blaring] 531 00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:23,266 But Lennon, when he was a child, 532 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:24,833 he could not stand that thing. 533 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:28,133 He would do this. Oh, he would scream. 534 00:30:28,166 --> 00:30:32,300 He would cover his ears. He did not like that train. 535 00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:35,366 [train continues] 536 00:30:42,933 --> 00:30:46,000 [train rushing, bell dinging] 537 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,333 [somber piano music] 538 00:30:56,366 --> 00:31:02,100 ♪ 539 00:31:02,133 --> 00:31:04,566 He was the biggest kid I had, 540 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,700 and I'm like, I gained a lot of weight, 541 00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:08,533 but trust me, running around behind Lennon, 542 00:31:08,566 --> 00:31:12,000 it was easy to get rid of 'cause he kept me running. 543 00:31:12,033 --> 00:31:15,000 - [singing indistinctly] 544 00:31:15,033 --> 00:31:21,833 ♪ 545 00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:24,433 - I think Lennon was about four. 546 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:27,933 Pierre had taught him his ABCs by rap. 547 00:31:27,966 --> 00:31:32,066 He said, "a-A, a-B," and, oh, it was hilarious. 548 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,800 And Pierre was like-- 549 00:31:34,833 --> 00:31:37,166 he was like his hero. 550 00:31:38,866 --> 00:31:41,766 - Me and Lennon's relationship was kind of--I don't know. 551 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,733 It was just like he was my influence 552 00:31:43,766 --> 00:31:46,600 as much as I was his influence, you know? 553 00:31:46,633 --> 00:31:49,066 I wanted to do better because he was-- 554 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,466 I knew he was watching me and paying attention. 555 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,600 His thing was football, and he was really good at it. 556 00:31:57,866 --> 00:32:02,933 My mom and Lennon moved to North Carolina in 2012. 557 00:32:02,966 --> 00:32:04,166 He took it hard because 558 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,633 he really didn't want to leave. 559 00:32:06,666 --> 00:32:08,833 He was born in Virginia; he lived in Virginia. 560 00:32:08,866 --> 00:32:11,200 He wanted to go to college in Virginia. 561 00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:14,766 So I had to... [sighs] 562 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,366 You know, persuade him that it'll be okay, 563 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,533 that you're gonna make new friends, 564 00:32:18,566 --> 00:32:21,433 and then he would calm down. He'd be like, "You're right. 565 00:32:21,466 --> 00:32:22,966 That's why I'm glad I called you," you know? 566 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,800 We would have those... [laughs] 567 00:32:24,833 --> 00:32:28,100 I would just be like, "Man, you got a lot of growing up to do, 568 00:32:28,133 --> 00:32:29,966 but you'll be all right. You know what I'm saying?" 569 00:32:32,666 --> 00:32:35,066 - I was born in Bladen County, Bladenboro, 570 00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:36,600 right here in this same town. 571 00:32:36,633 --> 00:32:39,600 So he made it his home because he had a lot of family here. 572 00:32:41,866 --> 00:32:43,566 The neighbors here-- 573 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,700 there was only him and Justin Jones 574 00:32:45,733 --> 00:32:48,600 and Trey Hudson. 575 00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,366 They were the only three teenage boys 576 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,533 in this neighborhood. 577 00:32:51,566 --> 00:32:52,933 You wouldn't see one without the other. 578 00:32:52,966 --> 00:32:55,433 You would see Justin coming down past my house. 579 00:32:55,466 --> 00:32:57,000 He'd get Lennon, and then they'd go over 580 00:32:57,033 --> 00:32:59,133 to Trey's or vice versa. 581 00:33:00,766 --> 00:33:03,733 - Lennon was funny, protective, 582 00:33:03,766 --> 00:33:07,066 just an all-around good friend. 583 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,800 You couldn't ask for a better friend. 584 00:33:08,833 --> 00:33:10,833 ♪ 585 00:33:10,866 --> 00:33:13,800 We'd hang out like teenagers do. 586 00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,533 Walk to the park at night. 587 00:33:15,566 --> 00:33:17,033 He had asthma, 588 00:33:17,066 --> 00:33:19,366 so he wanted to walk at night, and I was like, "All right." 589 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,700 He'd come get me about 1:00 in the morning. 590 00:33:22,733 --> 00:33:26,866 Yeah, Lennon didn't drink, didn't smoke, didn't do drugs. 591 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,500 He'd drink water and Powerade. 592 00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:31,566 - Hey, how you doing? 593 00:33:33,666 --> 00:33:35,866 - We'd talk a lot. We'd talk about everything. 594 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,566 Like brothers. Every day. 595 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,266 I have a tattoo of himon my arm. 596 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:41,466 Lennon Lacy. 597 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,000 - We had so many good times. Like... 598 00:33:49,033 --> 00:33:50,066 he was funny. 599 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,100 He was funny. 600 00:34:01,233 --> 00:34:02,266 [sniffles] 601 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,766 But, uh... 602 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,266 yeah, he was--he was like my brother, though. 603 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,533 - Yeah, I know it must be difficult. 604 00:34:17,566 --> 00:34:18,766 You must miss him. 605 00:34:23,866 --> 00:34:26,466 - I only knew him for two years, 606 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:31,166 but them two years, we were like that. 607 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,833 He's still in all of our minds. 608 00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:37,166 We're not gonna let it go. 609 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,266 We just want to know what happened, 610 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:44,766 but all of us think it's not a suicide. 611 00:34:48,933 --> 00:34:53,666 - From day one, nothing was done right. 612 00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:56,433 They found my brother on a Friday night. 613 00:34:56,466 --> 00:35:00,166 They put us on hold because it was-- 614 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,200 I think it was like, Memorial Day, Labor Day, 615 00:35:03,233 --> 00:35:04,566 one of them days. 616 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,566 It didn't make no sense. The police station was closed. 617 00:35:10,566 --> 00:35:13,833 We sat there with no answers from Friday night 618 00:35:13,866 --> 00:35:16,000 until Tuesday. 619 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,266 Then they, on Tuesday-- 620 00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:24,300 they come to the house and then they tell my mom, 621 00:35:24,333 --> 00:35:27,733 "Sorry for your loss. It was suicide." 622 00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:30,533 And then they walk back outside. 623 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,066 So I asked them--I'm like, 624 00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:35,566 "Well, how did you get to that point? 625 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,600 What did you rule out?" 626 00:35:37,633 --> 00:35:39,266 One of his response was, 627 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:43,033 "Are you telling me that I didn't do my job?" 628 00:35:43,066 --> 00:35:44,633 I said, "Well, I'm not telling you 629 00:35:44,666 --> 00:35:46,166 "that you didn't do your job. 630 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,166 I'm just saying you could do your job better." 631 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,066 He said, "Well, if you know anything 632 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:57,633 "or if you have any information that you come up with, 633 00:35:57,666 --> 00:35:59,733 give me a call and let me know." 634 00:36:01,966 --> 00:36:03,433 I said, "Okay." 635 00:36:03,466 --> 00:36:05,233 I said, "If I find out anything, 636 00:36:05,266 --> 00:36:07,600 I'll call you and let you know." 637 00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:11,866 And I did. I found out a whole lot of stuff. 638 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,733 I found out way more stuff than he found out. 639 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,700 - I've been working on murder cases 640 00:36:25,733 --> 00:36:27,166 in the state of North Carolina 641 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,233 for almost 20 years. 642 00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:35,100 Claudia is a remarkably strong woman 643 00:36:35,133 --> 00:36:38,300 but was so emotionally raw 644 00:36:38,333 --> 00:36:40,766 that Pierre really did step up 645 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,466 and take on a central role in the investigation. 646 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,100 When I started looking at the steps law enforcement took 647 00:36:48,133 --> 00:36:49,733 and I started interviewing people 648 00:36:49,766 --> 00:36:51,666 like the local medical examiner, 649 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,733 who told me that he was trying 650 00:36:53,766 --> 00:36:55,500 to take pictures of the death scene, 651 00:36:55,533 --> 00:36:59,133 and law enforcement seized his camera from him-- 652 00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:02,933 which, in 16 years of working on murder cases, 653 00:37:02,966 --> 00:37:06,133 I have never heard that before. 654 00:37:08,633 --> 00:37:10,366 The SBI stands for 655 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,500 the "North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation." 656 00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:15,166 What concerned me about this case 657 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,066 was that they brought in Agent Paul Songalewski, 658 00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,600 who had never investigated a homicide. 659 00:37:20,633 --> 00:37:25,200 He's brought in whenever there's a suspected suicide. 660 00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:26,500 When you're approaching 661 00:37:26,533 --> 00:37:28,866 any sort of death scene investigation, 662 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,700 you want to make sure that these are seasoned detectives 663 00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:34,100 that know the importance 664 00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:36,266 of preserving the forensic evidence 665 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:38,933 to ensure that it's not a homicide 666 00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:41,600 that is staged to look like a suicide. 667 00:37:43,733 --> 00:37:45,566 Based on my investigation, 668 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,100 I feel strongly that 669 00:37:47,133 --> 00:37:49,400 whoever made that call to bring him in 670 00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:53,300 wanted this investigation to be steered a certain direction. 671 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:59,366 ♪ 672 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,800 In that part of the state, particularly 673 00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:05,266 all the way across along the South Carolina line, 674 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:10,033 it's a belt that is known for white supremacist history, 675 00:38:10,066 --> 00:38:12,100 particularly during the Civil Rights movement 676 00:38:12,133 --> 00:38:15,766 because there was still a very heavy KKK presence 677 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,066 and a lot of intimidation by people 678 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,766 who were in positions of power at that point. 679 00:38:25,266 --> 00:38:27,300 But that isn't ancient history, 680 00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:31,033 and a lot of the people involved in lynchings 681 00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:34,166 and covering up the lynchings, they're still around today, 682 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,700 some of which are still in law enforcement 683 00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:38,766 and their children are in law enforcement. 684 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,800 - White power! 685 00:38:41,833 --> 00:38:44,600 - This black community has felt 686 00:38:44,633 --> 00:38:47,633 that law enforcement had not been addressing its needs 687 00:38:47,666 --> 00:38:50,166 for a long time in Bladenboro. 688 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,166 They had felt there was a lot of police misconduct. 689 00:38:54,633 --> 00:38:59,200 Between 2002-2006, there was a large federal investigation 690 00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:01,333 in Bladen County and Robeson County 691 00:39:01,366 --> 00:39:03,933 that led to the arrest of police officers 692 00:39:03,966 --> 00:39:06,333 who were actually heavily involved 693 00:39:06,366 --> 00:39:09,000 in narcotics trafficking. 694 00:39:09,033 --> 00:39:11,333 They would also pull over drivers 695 00:39:11,366 --> 00:39:13,233 of African American descent. 696 00:39:13,266 --> 00:39:14,733 They would harass them for money, 697 00:39:14,766 --> 00:39:16,733 take the money, and then let them go, 698 00:39:16,766 --> 00:39:19,266 and it would never be documented. 699 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:20,800 So you had concerns 700 00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:23,400 from the African American community: 701 00:39:23,433 --> 00:39:26,266 "Was there more to this story? What happened? 702 00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,800 This doesn't make sense." 703 00:39:31,433 --> 00:39:34,800 As I started researching black males 704 00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:36,333 committing suicide in public, 705 00:39:36,366 --> 00:39:38,866 and I realized there had been almost 20 black males 706 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,200 found hanging in public parks over just the last few years-- 707 00:39:43,233 --> 00:39:44,833 and when I realized 708 00:39:44,866 --> 00:39:48,166 how quickly law enforcement that responded to those scenes 709 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,400 deemed those deaths suicide, 710 00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:54,033 I became quite concerned that there may be 711 00:39:54,066 --> 00:39:58,133 a bigger surreptitious movement at play, here. 712 00:39:58,166 --> 00:40:00,900 Evidence in this case suggests that steps taken 713 00:40:00,933 --> 00:40:04,800 by responding officers and investigators 714 00:40:04,833 --> 00:40:08,300 failed to meet even the minimum accepted guidelines 715 00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:11,666 and practices for death scene investigations. 716 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,066 [camera shutters clicking] 717 00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:14,866 That is a large part of the reason 718 00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:19,233 we have been compelled to ask the U.S. Department of Justice 719 00:40:19,266 --> 00:40:21,466 and the FBI to conduct its own investigation 720 00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:22,966 into the death of Lennon Lacy. 721 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,400 Thank you. 722 00:40:24,433 --> 00:40:26,933 [determined music] 723 00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:29,433 - An autopsy for a Bladen County teen found dead 724 00:40:29,466 --> 00:40:32,966 in August shows no indication of foul play. 725 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,100 - The response that occurred in this case 726 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,200 and the investigation which has followed 727 00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:39,266 has been nothing short of professional, 728 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,666 and I'm proud to be a part of this outfit. 729 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,366 - The family certainly don't think so, 730 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,033 and I have to say, having been down there 731 00:40:45,066 --> 00:40:46,700 and spent quite a bit of time on this story... 732 00:40:46,733 --> 00:40:47,700 - Yeah. - It doesn't look 733 00:40:47,733 --> 00:40:48,866 very professional to me. 734 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,933 [applause] 735 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,833 - We march today. Why? 736 00:40:59,866 --> 00:41:05,233 In the quest for one thing: the truth about Lennon's death. 737 00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:07,033 [crowd murmurs in approval] 738 00:41:07,066 --> 00:41:09,566 - The medical examiner noted that she was not presented 739 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,566 with any photographs or dimensions 740 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,466 of that swing set in question, 741 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:15,433 meaning that it was impossible for her to know 742 00:41:15,466 --> 00:41:19,466 with absolute certainty that Lennon Lacy had hung himself. 743 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,833 - The last time Claudia Lacy saw her 17 year-old son, 744 00:41:22,866 --> 00:41:24,300 Lennon Lacy, 745 00:41:24,333 --> 00:41:26,233 was around the time he snapped this selfie. 746 00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:29,266 The caption: "Last night pic before the game." 747 00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,900 - That does not sound like a person that was planning 748 00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:34,033 on killing himself. 749 00:41:34,066 --> 00:41:36,833 State Bureau of Investigation and Bladen Police 750 00:41:36,866 --> 00:41:39,500 never searched his room for a suicide note. 751 00:41:39,533 --> 00:41:41,833 They never asked me for his cell phone. 752 00:41:41,866 --> 00:41:44,633 - Lacy says she told state investigators the belts used 753 00:41:44,666 --> 00:41:47,533 to fashion the noose did not belong to Lennon. 754 00:41:47,566 --> 00:41:50,133 And Lennon's family says he left home that night 755 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:52,500 wearing size 12 Air Jordans, 756 00:41:52,533 --> 00:41:54,166 but he was found wearing 757 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,333 these size 10 1/2 Air Force Ones. 758 00:41:56,366 --> 00:41:59,633 - No one knows what happened that terrible night, 759 00:41:59,666 --> 00:42:02,200 August 28-29, 760 00:42:02,233 --> 00:42:05,933 59 years to the day after the death of Emmett Till. 761 00:42:05,966 --> 00:42:07,600 [crowd murmurs approvingly] 762 00:42:07,633 --> 00:42:10,333 - Local news covered a Ku Klux Klan rally in a nearby county 763 00:42:10,366 --> 00:42:13,033 just weeks before Lennon's body was found. 764 00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:14,333 - Go to work! 765 00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:16,466 [shouts indistinctly] 766 00:42:17,733 --> 00:42:19,200 - When I saw Lennon Lacy, 767 00:42:19,233 --> 00:42:21,866 he looked as if he'd been in a fight. 768 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,233 I've seen guys that I've dealt with in mortuary science 769 00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:26,933 that had been in barroom fights, 770 00:42:26,966 --> 00:42:28,033 and that's what it looked like. 771 00:42:28,066 --> 00:42:29,133 It looked like somebody 772 00:42:29,166 --> 00:42:31,900 that had not survived a barroom fight. 773 00:42:31,933 --> 00:42:34,566 He had some bruises along the side of his temple. 774 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,733 I saw lacerations. 775 00:42:36,766 --> 00:42:38,066 He wasn't marked up here; 776 00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,866 he was marked up on his forearm on the outside, 777 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:42,966 consistent with defending yourself. 778 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,300 I know this is a murder. 779 00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:46,566 I believe it and understand it and see it. 780 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,400 You know, I just thought I was one of many 781 00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:50,033 who'd come to the clear understanding 782 00:42:50,066 --> 00:42:52,166 of what had taken place here. 783 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,933 [cheers and applause] 784 00:42:53,966 --> 00:42:59,033 - Claudia Lacy has a right to refuse to be comforted. 785 00:42:59,066 --> 00:43:01,600 She has a right. Pierre has a right. 786 00:43:01,633 --> 00:43:03,266 These young babies have a right. 787 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:07,166 This community has a right to demand more investigation 788 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,766 and refuse to be comforted by easy answers. 789 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,800 This was... 790 00:43:12,833 --> 00:43:15,600 this is her son. 791 00:43:15,633 --> 00:43:16,766 crowd: That's right. 792 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,700 - We want you to hear his name. 793 00:43:19,733 --> 00:43:21,900 Somebody say it. Lennon... all: Lennon... 794 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,466 - Lacy. all: Lacy! 795 00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:24,833 - Lennon... all: Lennon. 796 00:43:24,866 --> 00:43:26,066 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 797 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:27,433 - Lennon! all: Lennon! 798 00:43:27,466 --> 00:43:28,466 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 799 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:29,666 - Lennon! all: Lennon! 800 00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:30,800 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 801 00:43:30,833 --> 00:43:32,033 - Lennon! all: Lennon! 802 00:43:32,066 --> 00:43:33,300 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 803 00:43:33,333 --> 00:43:34,833 - Justice! all: Justice! 804 00:43:34,866 --> 00:43:35,933 - Now! all: Now! 805 00:43:35,966 --> 00:43:38,700 - Don't be calm. Be concerned. 806 00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:41,700 A child has died! 807 00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:44,766 [cheers and applause] 808 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,233 - When do you want it? all: Now! 809 00:43:51,266 --> 00:43:53,266 - What do you want? all: Justice! 810 00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,700 - When do you want it? all: Now! 811 00:43:54,733 --> 00:43:59,866 - What do you want? all: Justice! 812 00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:07,033 - When do you want it? all: Now! 813 00:44:07,066 --> 00:44:09,266 - The FBI has announced that it will investigate 814 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,000 the case of Lennon Lacy 815 00:44:11,033 --> 00:44:13,100 to determine whether the 17 year-old's death 816 00:44:13,133 --> 00:44:16,900 was a suicide or actually the result of a lynching. 817 00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:19,366 Lacy's family and friends have been pushing 818 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,200 for the federal investigation. 819 00:44:21,233 --> 00:44:23,300 The county coroner also says he now questions 820 00:44:23,333 --> 00:44:24,633 if it was a suicide. 821 00:44:24,666 --> 00:44:26,100 - Lennon! all: Lennon! 822 00:44:26,133 --> 00:44:28,100 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 823 00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:29,566 - Lennon! all: Lennon! 824 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,933 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 825 00:44:31,966 --> 00:44:33,533 - Lennon! all: Lennon! 826 00:44:33,566 --> 00:44:36,466 - Lacy! all: Lacy! 827 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,200 [unsettling music] 828 00:44:39,233 --> 00:44:42,200 [insects chirping] 829 00:44:42,233 --> 00:44:46,000 - "October 26, 1934. 830 00:44:46,033 --> 00:44:47,866 "To the Honorable David Sholtz, 831 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:51,100 "governor, Tallahassee, Florida. 832 00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:53,566 "Associated Press just informed us 833 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000 "that a mob will take Claude Neal, 834 00:44:56,033 --> 00:44:58,000 "tie him to a stake, 835 00:44:58,033 --> 00:45:00,200 "and permit the father of the dead girl 836 00:45:00,233 --> 00:45:03,966 "to light fire to burn Neal to death. 837 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600 "Stop. 838 00:45:06,633 --> 00:45:09,500 "We urge upon you to take immediate steps 839 00:45:09,533 --> 00:45:14,300 "to rescue negro from mob and place him in safe custody. 840 00:45:14,333 --> 00:45:16,000 "Stop. 841 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,566 "Walter White, secretary, 842 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,033 "National Association 843 00:45:23,066 --> 00:45:25,033 for the Advancement of Colored People." 844 00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,233 [wildlife chirping] 845 00:45:32,866 --> 00:45:38,400 - Oh, well, we moved to Atlanta before I turned three, 846 00:45:38,433 --> 00:45:41,166 so I spent my earliest years here. 847 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,733 And my Granddaddy Reeves was a textile mill worker 848 00:45:44,766 --> 00:45:47,133 in a textile mill in north Georgia. 849 00:45:47,166 --> 00:45:50,500 He raised five children through the Great Depression, 850 00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:55,633 and I found out many years later from my grandmother 851 00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:57,166 something that I never would've guessed, 852 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,933 and that was that he had been, at some point, 853 00:46:00,966 --> 00:46:03,100 a member of the Ku Klux Klan. 854 00:46:03,133 --> 00:46:06,500 And consequently I got involved with a local organization 855 00:46:06,533 --> 00:46:08,433 that monitored hate groups, 856 00:46:08,466 --> 00:46:11,633 and I volunteered to do infiltration work at rallies 857 00:46:11,666 --> 00:46:12,966 and other gatherings 858 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,433 to see what kind of information I could gather. 859 00:46:15,466 --> 00:46:17,733 And that's when I realized 860 00:46:17,766 --> 00:46:20,966 that Klan and white supremacist groups in general 861 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,633 had undergone a metamorphosis. 862 00:46:23,666 --> 00:46:25,000 You had newer groups 863 00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:28,766 that were openly worshipful of Adolf Hitler 864 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,900 and his whole ideology. 865 00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:35,033 That indicated that we weren't talking about a moribund group 866 00:46:35,066 --> 00:46:37,533 that was going to fade away. 867 00:46:37,566 --> 00:46:39,233 - While we're waiting for the guys, 868 00:46:39,266 --> 00:46:41,300 can you go through your speech for us, please? 869 00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:45,500 - It is posted online if youwant to get an idea of it, 870 00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:48,800 and there's one pointat which one of the people 871 00:46:48,833 --> 00:46:50,466 in the crowd will call out, 872 00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,066 "What about those lyingAtlanta newspapers here?" 873 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,366 - Who's doing that? 874 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,666 We gonna stop right there. Who's gonna do that? 875 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,100 - Well, we're looking forsomebody with a good voice-- 876 00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:59,666 The reason why I felt called upon 877 00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:04,233 to do the Governor Talmadge speech at the reenactment 878 00:47:04,266 --> 00:47:10,400 is that Eugene Talmadge was essentially the Klan candidate 879 00:47:10,433 --> 00:47:12,133 for governor here in Georgia. 880 00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,500 When I discovered that Governor Talmadge 881 00:47:17,533 --> 00:47:20,500 had actually given one of his race-baiting stump speeches 882 00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:23,266 in Monroe, Georgia, 883 00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,600 prior to the murders at the ford, 884 00:47:26,633 --> 00:47:29,233 I felt it was necessary that we should have 885 00:47:29,266 --> 00:47:32,233 a historically accurate presentation 886 00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:36,033 of exactly what the folks in Monroe would've heard. 887 00:47:36,066 --> 00:47:37,666 [crowd clamoring] 888 00:47:51,466 --> 00:47:54,533 [cheers and applause] 889 00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:05,800 [cheers and applause] 'Cause I am dedicated. 890 00:48:09,733 --> 00:48:11,733 - Just want to remind you 891 00:48:11,766 --> 00:48:13,000 that the poor dirt farmer's 892 00:48:13,033 --> 00:48:15,766 got only three friends on this earth. 893 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,133 That's God, Sears Roebuck, and Eugene Talmadge. 894 00:48:21,166 --> 00:48:23,700 And Eugene Talmadge. 895 00:48:25,166 --> 00:48:28,433 This state was essentially run 896 00:48:28,466 --> 00:48:31,433 on the basis of terrorism. 897 00:48:32,333 --> 00:48:34,133 Until we come to grips with the fact 898 00:48:34,166 --> 00:48:37,166 that this has happened repeatedly, 899 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,200 we're always going to be in danger 900 00:48:39,233 --> 00:48:42,866 of relapsing into that kind of horror again, 901 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:45,666 and it seems to me, as a son of the South, 902 00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,033 that I have a responsibility to do everything I can 903 00:48:48,066 --> 00:48:50,200 to make sure that doesn't happen. 904 00:48:53,566 --> 00:48:56,566 [patriotic music playing] 905 00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:03,666 ♪ 906 00:49:28,566 --> 00:49:33,433 ♪ 907 00:49:33,466 --> 00:49:37,166 - I grew up in Henry County. Dad was Klan. 908 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,333 We had a big, black Lincoln Mercury, 909 00:49:40,366 --> 00:49:43,433 and Dad had a tall, red cross 910 00:49:43,466 --> 00:49:45,800 that he mounted on the hood of the car. 911 00:49:45,833 --> 00:49:49,366 He had an extra battery under the hood that ran it. 912 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,666 And when it was not in use, 913 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,233 it was stored in the closet in my room. 914 00:49:53,266 --> 00:49:56,000 My room was on the very back part of the house, 915 00:49:56,033 --> 00:49:57,766 and my closet was the very smallest, 916 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,366 most personal, quiet place in the house 917 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,600 that nobody was likely to look. 918 00:50:02,633 --> 00:50:05,333 - ♪ The cross in the wild... ♪ 919 00:50:05,366 --> 00:50:10,200 - My dad was part of the command of the Klan. 920 00:50:10,233 --> 00:50:13,466 He worked with Dr. Green. 921 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:15,166 We went to a lot of rallies, 922 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,600 a lot of bonfires, a lot of parades. 923 00:50:18,633 --> 00:50:21,733 A lot of the rallies were at Stone Mountain. 924 00:50:21,766 --> 00:50:23,366 At time, it was kind of awesome. 925 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,033 You know, it was, like, lights and action, 926 00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:29,166 and there were a lot of other children to play with. 927 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,266 That was fun. 928 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,766 But--but then it got pretty scary too. 929 00:50:39,366 --> 00:50:41,033 This was when they were getting ready to go away 930 00:50:41,066 --> 00:50:44,200 on their trip after the wedding. 931 00:50:44,233 --> 00:50:46,466 I knew the Talmadges. 932 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,333 My dad and Eugene were friends, 933 00:50:49,366 --> 00:50:51,700 so being one of the ladies 934 00:50:51,733 --> 00:50:53,733 that supported the Talmadges was really easy for me. 935 00:50:53,766 --> 00:50:56,500 That wasn't something I had to figure out how to do. 936 00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:00,733 That's my favorite picture of my mother. 937 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,866 My mother was kind and gentle woman. 938 00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:07,866 She didn't know how to deal with my daddy either. 939 00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:10,233 There're many times that she's apologized, 940 00:51:10,266 --> 00:51:12,233 after we got to be adults, 941 00:51:12,266 --> 00:51:16,633 for the things she let us be subjected to. 942 00:51:16,666 --> 00:51:20,133 I was three years old when I saw my father 943 00:51:20,166 --> 00:51:22,566 and his friends hang a black man. 944 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,600 [sinister music] 945 00:51:24,633 --> 00:51:27,066 ♪ 946 00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,933 It was late, 947 00:51:29,966 --> 00:51:32,866 and the fire was roaring. 948 00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,533 And the men were there in their robes. 949 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,433 Mother and my sister and I stayed in the car. 950 00:51:41,466 --> 00:51:44,633 [crowd clamors, fire crackles] 951 00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:49,500 And then some of the men arrived with the black man. 952 00:51:53,166 --> 00:51:57,500 The Klan had the man's hands bound. 953 00:51:57,533 --> 00:52:01,533 I could tell there was something wrong, 954 00:52:01,566 --> 00:52:03,933 but I didn't understand what 955 00:52:03,966 --> 00:52:06,766 until they hung him. 956 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,166 And when I saw it happening, 957 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,700 my mother reached around me and put her hand over my mouth 958 00:52:12,733 --> 00:52:14,366 and pulled me to her 959 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,566 so that I wouldn't speak out loud. 960 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,733 It was hard to believe that that was really my dad 961 00:52:24,766 --> 00:52:26,366 and his friends that I knew 962 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,066 that ate fish and hushpuppies at the house. 963 00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:34,233 But it was. It was the same people. 964 00:52:34,266 --> 00:52:36,833 I never knew any of the details except what I witnessed, 965 00:52:36,866 --> 00:52:39,666 and I was too afraid to ask. 966 00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:43,166 I never talked about it until Daddy died. 967 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,700 - It's all drawn from stuff that Talmadge actually said. 968 00:52:46,733 --> 00:52:49,300 - Some of the people involved in the reenactment 969 00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:50,733 are involved in it for the sheer purpose 970 00:52:50,766 --> 00:52:53,233 of finding the guilty parties. 971 00:52:53,266 --> 00:52:55,633 But for me, 972 00:52:55,666 --> 00:52:58,133 something's going to alter the conversation 973 00:52:58,166 --> 00:53:00,766 we have about race, 974 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,333 and if it's a reenactment, wonderful. 975 00:53:04,366 --> 00:53:06,700 We all need to keep doing whatever it is 976 00:53:06,733 --> 00:53:08,633 we think will make the difference. 977 00:53:08,666 --> 00:53:10,800 - Well, who was-- who said they'd say, 978 00:53:10,833 --> 00:53:12,666 "Four dead niggers are better than one"? 979 00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:14,233 John? No-- - No, that wasn't me. 980 00:53:14,266 --> 00:53:16,233 - Not you. Who's the one that said it? 981 00:53:16,266 --> 00:53:18,633 Not you. 982 00:53:18,666 --> 00:53:21,500 You need to talk to me. Do you want to say it? 983 00:53:21,533 --> 00:53:23,900 - Uh-uh. - Okay. You scared me. 984 00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:27,166 Okay, so I need somebody that will say, 985 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,466 "Four dead niggers are better than one." 986 00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,033 You gonna say that? Yeah, say that. 987 00:53:33,066 --> 00:53:35,333 I mean, let's--yeah, that makes it easier. 988 00:53:35,366 --> 00:53:37,233 Okay, Roger? 989 00:53:37,266 --> 00:53:40,233 [upbeat music] 990 00:53:40,266 --> 00:53:47,300 ♪ 991 00:53:49,566 --> 00:53:52,866 - Move it out. Thank you. 992 00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:54,666 Thank you for your cooperation. 993 00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,600 We have over a hundred cars in the motorcade. 994 00:54:00,866 --> 00:54:02,700 - I'm Martha Dorsey. 995 00:54:02,733 --> 00:54:06,066 My grandfather and George were brothers. 996 00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,900 - I wish I had came before, but this is my first time. 997 00:54:09,933 --> 00:54:13,566 And I am tremendously enjoying myself 998 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,033 to learn about my history. 999 00:54:16,066 --> 00:54:19,133 ♪ 1000 00:54:19,166 --> 00:54:21,000 - I don't know if it's a good thing or not. 1001 00:54:21,033 --> 00:54:23,100 I appreciate what they're doing, 1002 00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:24,466 and hopefully, they'll eventually, 1003 00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:28,533 one day bring the remaining killers to justice. 1004 00:54:28,566 --> 00:54:31,700 - The hurt is still there. 1005 00:54:31,733 --> 00:54:34,900 [overlapping chatter] 1006 00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:49,400 - We want that nigger Roger! 1007 00:54:49,433 --> 00:54:52,233 You is a dead man, boy. 1008 00:54:52,266 --> 00:54:55,166 - No! - Take him down! 1009 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,166 - Let them go! 1010 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,633 This isn't right! - [crying] 1011 00:54:58,666 --> 00:55:02,600 - Please give me everything y'all got. 1012 00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:05,633 Every emotion. Everything. 1013 00:55:05,666 --> 00:55:07,133 Okay? - Yes, ma'am. 1014 00:55:07,166 --> 00:55:09,433 - Because these were people's lives that were lost, 1015 00:55:09,466 --> 00:55:11,500 and I need everything you all got. 1016 00:55:11,533 --> 00:55:13,000 Okay. 1017 00:55:18,433 --> 00:55:19,666 Action. 1018 00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:21,333 - All right, boys, take 'em down there. 1019 00:55:21,366 --> 00:55:24,333 [women screaming] 1020 00:55:24,366 --> 00:55:27,800 [angry shouting] 1021 00:55:27,833 --> 00:55:30,800 [screaming continues] 1022 00:55:30,833 --> 00:55:33,533 - What are you doing? [indistinct shouting] 1023 00:55:33,566 --> 00:55:37,266 - We're making an example to all the niggers in Georgia. 1024 00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:40,166 You don't touch a white man. 1025 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,600 - Leave Roger alone. - What are you doing? 1026 00:55:42,633 --> 00:55:46,100 [screaming continues] 1027 00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:49,166 [gunfire] 1028 00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:55,000 - Let's go see. Check 'em out. - Check the other one. 1029 00:55:55,033 --> 00:55:57,533 - Hold on. All right, now. 1030 00:55:57,566 --> 00:55:58,833 - Roger! 1031 00:55:58,866 --> 00:56:01,200 [women gasping] 1032 00:56:01,233 --> 00:56:03,266 [gunfire continues] 1033 00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:04,666 - [screams] 1034 00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:06,500 [gunfire and screaming] 1035 00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:08,700 [woman sobbing, final gunshot] 1036 00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:11,000 - That's victory for white Christianity. 1037 00:56:11,033 --> 00:56:12,566 Good job. 1038 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,800 - Whoo. - Good job. 1039 00:56:14,833 --> 00:56:16,066 - Whoo-ee. - Good job. 1040 00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:19,200 - Good work. Good work. - That'll teach him! 1041 00:56:19,233 --> 00:56:20,466 That'll teach him! - Where is he? 1042 00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:22,100 - That'll teach him. - Good job, men. 1043 00:56:22,133 --> 00:56:23,600 [overlapping voices] 1044 00:56:23,633 --> 00:56:24,866 - Is this good, boss? 1045 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,633 [crowd gasps] 1046 00:56:27,666 --> 00:56:31,000 - That's real nice, Johnny. That's real nice. 1047 00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:32,600 - What'd he do? - Pulled the baby out. 1048 00:56:32,633 --> 00:56:34,933 [actor cackling] 1049 00:56:52,166 --> 00:56:55,533 - That's why. Because it's history. 1050 00:56:55,566 --> 00:56:58,066 To bring the history to them. 1051 00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,133 [mournful humming music] 1052 00:57:01,166 --> 00:57:08,200 ♪ 1053 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,833 - "First they cut off his penis, 1054 00:57:30,866 --> 00:57:33,900 and he was made to eat it." 1055 00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,466 [pigs squeal] 1056 00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:41,800 "Then they sliced his sides and stomach with knives, 1057 00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,166 "and every now and then, 1058 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,233 "somebody would cut off a finger or a toe. 1059 00:57:49,033 --> 00:57:52,566 "From time to time, a rope would be tied around his neck, 1060 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,133 "and he was pulled over a limb 1061 00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:57,433 "and held there until he almost choked to death. 1062 00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:03,866 After several hours, they decided just to kill him." 1063 00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:07,533 ♪ 1064 00:58:07,566 --> 00:58:09,466 "Then the crowd came by, 1065 00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:13,466 "and some kicked him and some drove their cars over him. 1066 00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:17,966 "After slashing and shooting him into mincemeat, 1067 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,433 "the mob hanged him on a tree 1068 00:58:20,466 --> 00:58:24,033 "on the east side of the courthouse lawn. 1069 00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,833 "Photographers said they would soon have pictures of the body 1070 00:58:28,866 --> 00:58:31,966 for sale at 50¢ each." 1071 00:58:44,766 --> 00:58:49,000 - I think what most people have a hard time appreciating 1072 00:58:49,033 --> 00:58:52,400 is if you were black and alive in many parts of this country 1073 00:58:52,433 --> 00:58:56,833 in the 20th century, you were always at risk. 1074 00:58:56,866 --> 00:59:00,300 You were always a target. 1075 00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:03,933 You were always an object to be victimized, 1076 00:59:03,966 --> 00:59:06,300 to be humiliated, to be taunted, 1077 00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:09,200 to be sexually exploited, to be killed. 1078 00:59:09,233 --> 00:59:11,166 And there was no respite. 1079 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,533 There was never a moment when you were allowed 1080 00:59:13,566 --> 00:59:17,100 to feel like you can be safe for just a little while. 1081 00:59:17,133 --> 00:59:18,633 You were always in season. 1082 00:59:18,666 --> 00:59:25,600 ♪ 1083 00:59:25,633 --> 00:59:28,266 - Most black men were lynched because they were accused 1084 00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,633 of having sexually assaulted a white woman, 1085 00:59:31,666 --> 00:59:34,366 for murder or some violent act 1086 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,966 committed usually against a white man. 1087 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,733 But sometimes it could just be having violated the rules of, 1088 00:59:41,766 --> 00:59:43,500 you know, not having tipped one's hat 1089 00:59:43,533 --> 00:59:45,066 or having left the side of the street 1090 00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:46,966 when a white person was walking past. 1091 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,066 It could be being regarded as uppity. 1092 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,900 And it really involves a process of dehumanization 1093 00:59:57,933 --> 01:00:01,533 that the black man had to be physically restrained, 1094 01:00:01,566 --> 01:00:03,566 that he was over-sexualized, 1095 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,966 that he was naturally and inherently violent 1096 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,233 or something that's not human. 1097 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,233 And it's this very insidious process of dehumanization 1098 01:00:16,266 --> 01:00:19,166 that begins always with words 1099 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,800 that allows average individuals 1100 01:00:21,833 --> 01:00:23,133 to stand and watch 1101 01:00:23,166 --> 01:00:25,533 and to participate and sometimes cheer 1102 01:00:25,566 --> 01:00:28,466 while another human being is brutally murdered. 1103 01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,633 [applause] 1104 01:00:31,466 --> 01:00:38,533 ♪ 1105 01:01:41,366 --> 01:01:44,500 - I had taken a job over at the grocery store 1106 01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:46,566 right here in the neighborhood at the deli, 1107 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,766 and I was waiting on a customer, 1108 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,300 and I had turned around with his order, 1109 01:01:52,333 --> 01:01:53,933 and it dawned on me 1110 01:01:53,966 --> 01:01:56,800 as I looked to the dining area that-- 1111 01:01:56,833 --> 01:01:58,933 that somewhere in this crowd, there is a murder, 1112 01:01:58,966 --> 01:02:01,466 and he knows what he's done-- 1113 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:04,600 or she or they. 1114 01:02:04,633 --> 01:02:08,000 And that day was the day that I realized 1115 01:02:08,033 --> 01:02:12,566 there is still someone out here that is responsible. 1116 01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:23,633 - Well, there's a lot of things we would like to be able to do, 1117 01:02:23,666 --> 01:02:25,800 but with such a small staff, 1118 01:02:25,833 --> 01:02:28,600 there's things that we just aren't able to do 1119 01:02:28,633 --> 01:02:30,866 because we still have all the other things 1120 01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:32,000 going on in this county. 1121 01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:37,166 I have honestly not heard anyone talking about the fact 1122 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,833 of whether there's still a murderer on the loose 1123 01:02:39,866 --> 01:02:42,366 in regards to this. 1124 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,433 Honestly, I think that the majority of the folks 1125 01:02:44,466 --> 01:02:46,000 have just come to grips with the fact 1126 01:02:46,033 --> 01:02:48,666 that this is gonna be ruled a suicide in the end. 1127 01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,433 It's been several months 1128 01:02:52,466 --> 01:02:55,300 since the one-year anniversary of it. 1129 01:02:55,333 --> 01:02:56,500 But it's been quiet, 1130 01:02:56,533 --> 01:02:59,466 and everybody's just kind of waiting now. 1131 01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:01,300 And I think the sooner, the better 1132 01:03:01,333 --> 01:03:03,900 to get this behind us. 1133 01:03:07,433 --> 01:03:10,500 I honestly don't believe that the investigation 1134 01:03:10,533 --> 01:03:13,000 has been lacking from the very beginning. 1135 01:03:13,033 --> 01:03:14,900 I don't think that there's been any kind of cover-up 1136 01:03:14,933 --> 01:03:17,600 by the local law enforcement folks. 1137 01:03:17,633 --> 01:03:19,766 Nobody wants to believe that their child 1138 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,366 could do such a thing, 1139 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,333 and I would probably want to go to all ends of the Earth 1140 01:03:24,366 --> 01:03:28,266 to make sure that any and all possible investigations 1141 01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,266 and questions were answered. 1142 01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,800 But to that end, at some point you've got to-- 1143 01:03:32,833 --> 01:03:35,200 you've got to realize that they've done all they can. 1144 01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:42,700 There is another side to the coin as far as, 1145 01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:45,533 you know, the family unit and negligence 1146 01:03:45,566 --> 01:03:47,233 and that kind of thing. 1147 01:03:47,266 --> 01:03:49,800 You know, the fact that this teenage boy at 15, 1148 01:03:49,833 --> 01:03:51,166 16 years old was involved 1149 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,466 with a 30-year-old woman in the neighborhood, 1150 01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:56,900 that he was regularly out after midnight on school nights. 1151 01:03:56,933 --> 01:03:59,466 So those are the kinds of things 1152 01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,133 that started to percolate 1153 01:04:02,166 --> 01:04:04,500 as this went on during that first year. 1154 01:04:12,666 --> 01:04:14,800 - I was 32 when I met Lennon. 1155 01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:21,800 Lennon and I didn't really look at our age difference. 1156 01:04:24,366 --> 01:04:27,633 From the time I met Lennon, 1157 01:04:27,666 --> 01:04:31,166 it felt like it was meant to be. 1158 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,466 I mean, you don't choose who you fall in love with. 1159 01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,433 - Mm-hmm. - Oh. 1160 01:04:44,466 --> 01:04:45,700 - Yeah. 1161 01:04:45,733 --> 01:04:49,300 This is the only thing of his that I have left. 1162 01:04:49,333 --> 01:04:52,000 They came over and told me they wanted everything of Lennon's. 1163 01:04:52,033 --> 01:04:54,833 So I hid this. 1164 01:04:54,866 --> 01:04:56,633 - So did you--did they take everything but that? 1165 01:04:56,666 --> 01:04:58,400 - Yes. 1166 01:04:58,433 --> 01:05:04,500 ♪ 1167 01:05:04,533 --> 01:05:07,233 - His mother says 17-year-old Lennon had been dating 1168 01:05:07,266 --> 01:05:09,333 a 32-year-old white woman. 1169 01:05:09,366 --> 01:05:11,700 The age of consent in North Carolina is 16. 1170 01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:13,300 Still, 1171 01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:16,266 some people in this small Southern town did not like it. 1172 01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,933 In the wake of his hanging, some wondered if he was killed 1173 01:05:18,966 --> 01:05:22,300 because he was in an interracial relationship. 1174 01:05:24,766 --> 01:05:26,233 - We never talked about the race thing. 1175 01:05:26,266 --> 01:05:28,266 We talked about the age thing... 1176 01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:30,200 because of the simple fact 1177 01:05:30,233 --> 01:05:32,900 I knew that she was a woman of experience. 1178 01:05:32,933 --> 01:05:34,300 She had three kids of her own. 1179 01:05:34,333 --> 01:05:37,866 My son was not compatible with her. 1180 01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:39,600 I said-- I asked her, as a mother-- 1181 01:05:39,633 --> 01:05:42,033 I said, "So you need to end this. 1182 01:05:42,066 --> 01:05:45,766 Either you end it, or we will end it." 1183 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,233 She continued to see him 1184 01:05:47,266 --> 01:05:49,933 as if I hadn't even said anything to her about it. 1185 01:05:52,133 --> 01:05:56,700 - Michelle and Lennon were involved about seven months, 1186 01:05:56,733 --> 01:06:00,966 but Lennon didn't want nobody to know for a while 1187 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,133 because that whole-- that whole Michelle situation, 1188 01:06:04,166 --> 01:06:07,333 I--I--I knew it was too much for him. 1189 01:06:07,366 --> 01:06:08,566 There was still stuff 1190 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,333 that I didn't know about Michelle myself. 1191 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,833 - I had left my husband. 1192 01:06:15,866 --> 01:06:19,166 My children and I had just came back from Illinois 1193 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,400 and moved back to North Carolina. 1194 01:06:21,433 --> 01:06:23,800 I was living with Trey's mother, 1195 01:06:23,833 --> 01:06:25,833 Carla Hudson and Dewey Sykes. 1196 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,166 There was probably, I would say, 1197 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,300 a hundred feet at the most from Lennon's back door 1198 01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:38,833 to Dewey Sykes and Carla Hudson's door. 1199 01:06:40,266 --> 01:06:44,333 Lennon was always at Trey's house whenever I was there. 1200 01:06:44,366 --> 01:06:47,933 The first time I met Lennon, 1201 01:06:47,966 --> 01:06:50,333 I didn't think that he was a teenager. 1202 01:06:50,366 --> 01:06:53,033 He looked a lot older than what-- 1203 01:06:53,066 --> 01:06:55,066 what he was. 1204 01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:58,533 He carried himself like a gentleman. 1205 01:06:58,566 --> 01:07:02,733 He came over with Trey, and they was hanging out, 1206 01:07:02,766 --> 01:07:05,600 and I was there with Carla, hanging out. 1207 01:07:05,633 --> 01:07:08,666 I think my kids had went to bed, 1208 01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:10,266 and Trey, he was probably in the bedroom 1209 01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:11,333 with his girlfriend. 1210 01:07:11,366 --> 01:07:13,000 He was always in there with her. 1211 01:07:13,033 --> 01:07:15,700 And Lennon was always out there with us. 1212 01:07:15,733 --> 01:07:18,233 And then he... 1213 01:07:18,266 --> 01:07:21,133 started kissing me on my neck, 1214 01:07:21,166 --> 01:07:22,566 and that's how it started. 1215 01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:26,866 - Now, this is where Lennon lived, 1216 01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:28,933 and we'd go to Trey's house 1217 01:07:28,966 --> 01:07:30,600 and play football, basketball, 1218 01:07:30,633 --> 01:07:32,466 anything you want to play. 1219 01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:34,833 Walk through this little path right here. 1220 01:07:34,866 --> 01:07:38,233 This is where Trey and them lived, right here. 1221 01:07:38,266 --> 01:07:40,266 The house would be right there in front of them bushes. 1222 01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:44,366 Carla Hudson's and Dewey Sykes and Trey Hudson's. 1223 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,100 This is the front door. 1224 01:07:47,133 --> 01:07:48,466 I'm walking right here in the front door. 1225 01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:49,533 You know what I'm saying? 1226 01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:51,733 I thought it was real funny. 1227 01:07:51,766 --> 01:07:54,366 After a couple months after Lennon died, 1228 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,400 they moved everything out and left the pool. 1229 01:07:57,433 --> 01:07:58,800 Left their dead dog there. 1230 01:07:58,833 --> 01:08:00,600 You know what I'm saying? I would've dug my dog up. 1231 01:08:00,633 --> 01:08:02,900 You feel me? I'd at least dug my dog up. 1232 01:08:02,933 --> 01:08:05,866 But no, they moved everything out. Fast, too. 1233 01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:07,500 Real quick, 1234 01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:08,933 like they were running away from something. 1235 01:08:08,966 --> 01:08:10,500 You know what I'm saying? 1236 01:08:10,533 --> 01:08:13,433 - Look, look-- no, it's too late. Come on. 1237 01:08:14,566 --> 01:08:17,166 Yeah, man's in court. [indistinct] 1238 01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:22,400 Probably shake hands and all of that, man. 1239 01:08:22,433 --> 01:08:27,000 [drum music] 1240 01:08:27,033 --> 01:08:30,000 - Carla and Dewey Sykes were pill poppers. 1241 01:08:30,033 --> 01:08:31,600 People would come and go, 1242 01:08:31,633 --> 01:08:33,700 buying and selling narcotics, 1243 01:08:33,733 --> 01:08:35,200 and I believe they even 1244 01:08:35,233 --> 01:08:37,533 supplied Michelle with narcotics at times. 1245 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,433 - There you go, Trey. 1246 01:08:41,466 --> 01:08:43,933 Work him! Work him! Work him! 1247 01:08:43,966 --> 01:08:45,933 - Hell, yeah! 1248 01:08:45,966 --> 01:08:48,433 - Dewey Sykes? Oh, he known for being racist. 1249 01:08:48,466 --> 01:08:53,366 About 2005, he hung a KKK flag right there on the fence. 1250 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,833 Hung the flag right there that said, "Don't tread on me." 1251 01:08:55,866 --> 01:08:59,700 Rebel flag. Stuff like that. He was known for it. 1252 01:08:59,733 --> 01:09:05,033 - Dewey didn't like the fact that I was seeing Lennon, 1253 01:09:05,066 --> 01:09:09,133 and he would use the N-word more than often. 1254 01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:12,933 There was one night, Lennon got upset, 1255 01:09:12,966 --> 01:09:15,333 and he walked out of Carla Hudson's house 1256 01:09:15,366 --> 01:09:21,000 and Lennon punched the fence and he broke the wood. 1257 01:09:21,033 --> 01:09:26,633 And Dewey had threatened Lennon with a gun. 1258 01:09:26,666 --> 01:09:29,066 - Dewey Sykes had a cousin 1259 01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:31,066 that is on the Bladenboro police force 1260 01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:34,333 but never seemed to arrest his relatives 1261 01:09:34,366 --> 01:09:36,033 for the apparent illegal activity 1262 01:09:36,066 --> 01:09:37,466 going on in their home. 1263 01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:39,000 That was the party spot. 1264 01:09:39,033 --> 01:09:43,133 [all shouting] 1265 01:09:43,166 --> 01:09:44,700 - What happened at Carla's house 1266 01:09:44,733 --> 01:09:47,000 stayed at Carla's house, basically. 1267 01:09:47,033 --> 01:09:50,000 It was like Las Vegas. 1268 01:09:50,033 --> 01:09:53,800 Yeah. [laughs] It was. 1269 01:10:00,833 --> 01:10:03,400 - Yeah, we was--Lennon and I was committed to each other. 1270 01:10:03,433 --> 01:10:05,700 Yes. Yeah. 1271 01:10:05,733 --> 01:10:08,100 - Michelle Brimhall had a drug problem, 1272 01:10:08,133 --> 01:10:10,600 and to support her drug habit, 1273 01:10:10,633 --> 01:10:13,300 she would have quite a few companions, 1274 01:10:13,333 --> 01:10:16,200 and Lennon would get very emotional 1275 01:10:16,233 --> 01:10:17,900 and upset about this. 1276 01:10:17,933 --> 01:10:19,200 They broke up in June. 1277 01:10:19,233 --> 01:10:20,566 He goes to Virginia, 1278 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,900 spends a couple of weeks with family, has a good time, 1279 01:10:22,933 --> 01:10:25,400 tries to get her out of his head. 1280 01:10:25,433 --> 01:10:27,733 By the time he comes back, he realized, 1281 01:10:27,766 --> 01:10:31,233 you know, she was still seeing other people. 1282 01:10:31,266 --> 01:10:32,666 And even though they had broken up, 1283 01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:35,133 I think Lennon was in love with her, 1284 01:10:35,166 --> 01:10:37,100 and I think he felt like this relationship 1285 01:10:37,133 --> 01:10:39,966 was going to turn into something bigger. 1286 01:10:41,933 --> 01:10:43,966 But that night, there was another man 1287 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,066 that arrived at her house, 1288 01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:48,900 and his first name was Maurice. 1289 01:10:48,933 --> 01:10:52,000 He does have a criminal history. 1290 01:10:52,033 --> 01:10:55,066 Lennon saw Maurice go into the house, 1291 01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:59,533 and he was quite distraught about it. 1292 01:11:01,333 --> 01:11:05,533 - He was pacing from his house and Trey's house. 1293 01:11:05,566 --> 01:11:07,866 Every now and then, he would come back to the house 1294 01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:12,400 with different information that Carla and Trey 1295 01:11:12,433 --> 01:11:15,333 was feeding him about Michelle. 1296 01:11:15,366 --> 01:11:19,433 So it was kind of like they were fueling the anger. 1297 01:11:22,133 --> 01:11:24,933 But in the process of all of this going on, 1298 01:11:24,966 --> 01:11:29,066 he still was preparing for the next day. 1299 01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:32,800 The last thing he pretty much did was pack his bag 1300 01:11:32,833 --> 01:11:35,766 for football practice. 1301 01:11:40,966 --> 01:11:44,266 - I don't know what happened. 1302 01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:45,866 I've thought about it and thought about it 1303 01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:48,233 and thought of so many different things. 1304 01:11:50,266 --> 01:11:52,366 It doesn't make any sense 1305 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,300 because Lennon has never done anything to anybody. 1306 01:11:55,333 --> 01:11:58,200 I mean, who would want to hurt him? 1307 01:12:01,133 --> 01:12:02,433 It's just--I don't know. 1308 01:12:02,466 --> 01:12:05,166 It doesn't make any sense to me. 1309 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:12,233 ♪ 1310 01:12:22,066 --> 01:12:24,933 - I don't know what happened, 1311 01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:28,466 but I wish he came and knocked on my window 1312 01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,966 and asked me to walk on that night 1313 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,700 instead of walking out alone. 1314 01:12:35,833 --> 01:12:40,800 - We have been very careful to proceed 1315 01:12:40,833 --> 01:12:43,133 in the search for truth. 1316 01:12:43,166 --> 01:12:46,966 If Lennon was white 1317 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,433 and found hanging 1318 01:12:48,466 --> 01:12:51,500 in a predominantly black neighborhood, 1319 01:12:51,533 --> 01:12:55,033 would there have been a rush 1320 01:12:55,066 --> 01:12:58,700 to determine that the cause of death was suicide? 1321 01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:05,200 What happens those first few hours at a scene of death 1322 01:13:05,233 --> 01:13:07,800 has extraordinary impact 1323 01:13:07,833 --> 01:13:11,500 on how we are able to ultimately find the truth. 1324 01:13:11,533 --> 01:13:15,833 They ought to be following the standards of law enforcement 1325 01:13:15,866 --> 01:13:21,366 in every case regardless of race, creed, class. 1326 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,266 One standard of justice. 1327 01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:28,966 - Lawyers working on behalf of Lennon's family had information 1328 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,433 which they believed was critical for our determination 1329 01:13:31,466 --> 01:13:34,300 which they did not want to give the SBI. 1330 01:13:34,333 --> 01:13:36,133 - It's very disappointing that 1331 01:13:36,166 --> 01:13:41,000 instead of actually conducting any investigation 1332 01:13:41,033 --> 01:13:44,900 that would've made any sort of forensic testing fruitful 1333 01:13:44,933 --> 01:13:46,733 and reliable, 1334 01:13:46,766 --> 01:13:50,633 this district attorney allowed rumors in the community 1335 01:13:50,666 --> 01:13:54,800 to become so rampant instead of searching for the truth. 1336 01:14:00,266 --> 01:14:03,233 - I should not have had to wait as long as I have 1337 01:14:03,266 --> 01:14:05,233 to get to the answers that I wanted. 1338 01:14:07,566 --> 01:14:09,300 To me, that makes me think there was something 1339 01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:12,600 that had to be fixed up, doctored up. 1340 01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:18,200 Tell me. Show it to me. 1341 01:14:18,233 --> 01:14:23,300 Your saying it means nothing to me if you cannot prove it. 1342 01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:25,133 I want to know,I deserve to know, 1343 01:14:25,166 --> 01:14:27,000 and I have the right to know. 1344 01:14:27,033 --> 01:14:30,033 That's all I've askedfrom day one. 1345 01:14:50,033 --> 01:14:53,100 [thunder rumbling, rain pattering] 1346 01:15:01,566 --> 01:15:04,633 [livestock chittering] 1347 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,633 - "My mother was traumatized when her brother, 1348 01:15:15,666 --> 01:15:18,566 "Claude Neal, was lynched. 1349 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,333 "She went through total hell, 1350 01:15:20,366 --> 01:15:23,633 "and she put us through total hell. 1351 01:15:23,666 --> 01:15:25,000 "She'd start talking about 1352 01:15:25,033 --> 01:15:27,933 "what the men did to her brother. 1353 01:15:27,966 --> 01:15:31,000 "She smoked Camels and drank moonshine. 1354 01:15:33,866 --> 01:15:35,666 "She'd kick her daughters 1355 01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:39,133 "and she'd make the kids read the 23rd psalm out loud 1356 01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:41,966 "while she drank and cried. 1357 01:15:44,833 --> 01:15:47,166 "She just couldn't take what happened. 1358 01:15:49,533 --> 01:15:52,000 "She would leave her five children with relatives 1359 01:15:52,033 --> 01:15:55,900 "and disappear for months-- sometimes years. 1360 01:15:55,933 --> 01:15:58,866 "She'd return out of guilt and whisk us off 1361 01:15:58,900 --> 01:16:02,033 "to some tiny house where she'd try to make a home. 1362 01:16:04,066 --> 01:16:07,700 "When she was sober, she was okay, 1363 01:16:07,733 --> 01:16:11,266 but she always slipped back into dark places." 1364 01:16:16,866 --> 01:16:19,900 - One of the most disturbing legacies of lynching 1365 01:16:19,933 --> 01:16:22,533 is generational trauma 1366 01:16:22,566 --> 01:16:25,533 within the black and white communities. 1367 01:16:26,833 --> 01:16:28,533 And yet, very different reactions 1368 01:16:28,566 --> 01:16:32,333 to the stories in the two different communities. 1369 01:16:32,366 --> 01:16:35,466 Both communities were covered in a shroud of silence: 1370 01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:39,166 blacks out of fear, whites out of shame, I think, 1371 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,900 and fear also. 1372 01:16:40,933 --> 01:16:42,733 And that silence was never lifted, 1373 01:16:42,766 --> 01:16:45,066 and so people are acting out 1374 01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:49,133 in the context of that passed-on relationship, 1375 01:16:49,166 --> 01:16:52,500 and they don't know what's at the heart of it. 1376 01:16:52,533 --> 01:16:54,566 And there are all these institutions 1377 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,466 that need to come clean about this history. 1378 01:16:59,566 --> 01:17:01,800 This is true of the legal community. 1379 01:17:01,833 --> 01:17:06,433 It's true of journalism. It's true across the board. 1380 01:17:07,366 --> 01:17:09,333 Communities for themselves have to come together 1381 01:17:09,366 --> 01:17:14,033 and talk about what they think would repair the harm. 1382 01:17:14,066 --> 01:17:16,600 But if, together, we face that history, 1383 01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:18,733 it leads to an opening for dialogue; 1384 01:17:18,766 --> 01:17:20,966 it leads to an opening for reconciliation. 1385 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,466 - Now, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the last scene. 1386 01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,100 We will return to First African Baptist Church 1387 01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:33,600 for food and fellowship. 1388 01:17:33,633 --> 01:17:37,033 We have food waiting on you. 1389 01:17:37,066 --> 01:17:38,200 - The Moore's Ford Memorial Committee 1390 01:17:38,233 --> 01:17:42,533 was started September of 1997. 1391 01:17:42,566 --> 01:17:46,733 We have a load of people here for the reenactment, 1392 01:17:46,766 --> 01:17:48,366 but you can go around and count the ones 1393 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,266 from Walton County that'd be there. 1394 01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:56,700 So this stigma does still touch people in a negative way. 1395 01:17:56,733 --> 01:17:59,700 [somber piano music] 1396 01:17:59,733 --> 01:18:06,300 ♪ 1397 01:18:06,333 --> 01:18:08,500 Certain areas of Walton County, 1398 01:18:08,533 --> 01:18:11,300 you can go through these subdivisions, 1399 01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:14,466 and you look at the names of the streets, 1400 01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:17,033 and it matches the names 1401 01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:19,900 that the FBI report says are the suspects. 1402 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,933 So it would really be important 1403 01:18:23,966 --> 01:18:27,033 if we could get justice brought 1404 01:18:27,066 --> 01:18:29,266 on this particular case. 1405 01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:36,333 ♪ 1406 01:18:40,733 --> 01:18:42,766 If we get a break, you know, I'll make sure 1407 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,700 I've got your phone number before you leave here, 1408 01:18:44,733 --> 01:18:47,266 and, you know, I'd be willing to call you 1409 01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:48,900 and let you know what's happening. 1410 01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:50,566 Hopefully, you know, we'll have closure 1411 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,333 on this thing pretty soon. 1412 01:18:52,366 --> 01:18:55,400 [cheers and applause] 1413 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,566 - Is Reverend Sammy still out here? 1414 01:19:03,233 --> 01:19:07,633 Tell him we want him to bring some words of closure, prayer, 1415 01:19:07,666 --> 01:19:10,100 and a message. 1416 01:19:10,133 --> 01:19:17,166 ♪ 1417 01:19:29,933 --> 01:19:33,000 [pages flipping slowly] 1418 01:19:35,266 --> 01:19:38,266 [dignified vocalizations] 1419 01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:44,233 ♪ 1420 01:19:44,266 --> 01:19:49,400 - ♪ Precious 1421 01:19:49,433 --> 01:19:53,833 ♪ Memories - ♪ Precious memories 1422 01:19:53,866 --> 01:19:58,300 - ♪ How 1423 01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:02,133 ♪ They linger 1424 01:20:02,166 --> 01:20:06,733 ♪ Ah, how 1425 01:20:06,766 --> 01:20:11,433 ♪ They ever - ♪ Burn 1426 01:20:11,466 --> 01:20:18,500 - ♪ Burn my soul 1427 01:20:21,966 --> 01:20:26,200 ♪ In 1428 01:20:26,233 --> 01:20:31,233 ♪ The stillness 1429 01:20:31,266 --> 01:20:35,733 ♪ Of 1430 01:20:35,766 --> 01:20:40,233 ♪ The midnight 1431 01:20:40,266 --> 01:20:45,266 ♪ Precious 1432 01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,766 ♪ Secret 1433 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:58,966 ♪ Scenes unfold 1434 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,233 ♪ Ooh 1435 01:21:01,266 --> 01:21:02,866 - "The United States Attorney's Office 1436 01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:05,133 "announced today that, following its investigation 1437 01:21:05,166 --> 01:21:07,133 "into the death of Lennon Lacy, 1438 01:21:07,166 --> 01:21:08,700 "there is no evidence to pursue 1439 01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:12,133 "federal criminal civil rights charges. 1440 01:21:13,333 --> 01:21:15,000 "Officials from the Justice Department's 1441 01:21:15,033 --> 01:21:16,266 "civil rights division, 1442 01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:17,666 "the U.S. Attorney's Office 1443 01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:19,433 "with the Eastern District of North Carolina, 1444 01:21:19,466 --> 01:21:21,833 "and the Federal Bureau of Investigation met today 1445 01:21:21,866 --> 01:21:25,466 with Lennon Lacy's family to inform them of this decision." 1446 01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:28,466 [vocalizations continue] 1447 01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:32,333 - ♪ Under 1448 01:21:32,366 --> 01:21:34,833 - "The FBI assessment has confirmed 1449 01:21:34,866 --> 01:21:36,866 "my initial opinion 1450 01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:38,766 "that the investigation conducted 1451 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,433 "by the State Bureau of Investigation 1452 01:21:41,466 --> 01:21:44,300 "and the Bladenboro Police Department was complete, 1453 01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:47,400 "thorough, and professional. 1454 01:21:47,433 --> 01:21:50,600 "I would like to take this opportunity to highlight 1455 01:21:50,633 --> 01:21:54,533 "the hard work and dedication of the SBI special agent 1456 01:21:54,566 --> 01:21:57,533 "who went above and beyond the call of duty 1457 01:21:57,566 --> 01:22:01,300 to see that justice was done in this matter." 1458 01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:05,966 - ♪ Precious 1459 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,633 ♪ Memories 1460 01:22:10,666 --> 01:22:12,300 - [exhales loudly] 1461 01:22:12,333 --> 01:22:15,300 - ♪ How 1462 01:22:15,333 --> 01:22:18,666 ♪ They linger 1463 01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:21,566 - "After a careful and thorough review 1464 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,066 "by a team of experts, 1465 01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:27,700 "the Justice Department found no evidence to suggest 1466 01:22:27,733 --> 01:22:31,666 "that Lennon's death was a homicide. 1467 01:22:34,233 --> 01:22:38,266 The investigation into the incident has been closed." 1468 01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:51,433 One page for 17 years 1469 01:22:51,466 --> 01:22:52,966 of a person's life. 1470 01:23:07,033 --> 01:23:09,466 - Although the federal authorities found 1471 01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:11,500 there was no evidence of foul play, 1472 01:23:11,533 --> 01:23:15,533 that's not conclusive that there was not foul play. 1473 01:23:15,566 --> 01:23:18,166 They're saying there was no evidence of foul play. 1474 01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,166 [somber music] 1475 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,233 ♪ 1476 01:23:23,266 --> 01:23:26,600 The biggest reason that we're never gonna be able 1477 01:23:26,633 --> 01:23:28,366 to know the truth 1478 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,466 is law enforcement just did not do their job adequately. 1479 01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,800 It was a cursory investigation, 1480 01:23:35,833 --> 01:23:39,700 and they jumped to a conclusion, 1481 01:23:39,733 --> 01:23:41,200 and that was all she wrote. 1482 01:23:41,233 --> 01:23:48,266 ♪ 1483 01:23:53,133 --> 01:23:55,533 - His friends, his neighbors, 1484 01:23:55,566 --> 01:23:58,066 the kids that he interacted with 1485 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:03,300 looked at me with disbelief. 1486 01:24:03,333 --> 01:24:05,033 That's what made me push. 1487 01:24:06,366 --> 01:24:08,300 And I'm gonna continue until I get the answers 1488 01:24:08,333 --> 01:24:11,166 for them as well as for myself. 1489 01:24:21,266 --> 01:24:25,000 The more people know about it, that's my way of grieving. 1490 01:24:26,033 --> 01:24:28,466 The more they understand and hear his story, 1491 01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:31,866 that's my way of grieving. 1492 01:24:38,133 --> 01:24:45,100 ♪♪ 1493 01:25:24,466 --> 01:25:31,500 ♪♪ 112115

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