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Deep in the heart of Kentucky,
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a man is building an ark.
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He doesn't think
he's the new Noah,
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but he does think
the Bible story
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may in fact be factual,
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and he wants to open
a theme park to make the case.
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The $100-million ark
is expected to draw
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about 1.4 million people
a year.
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Folks here in Williamstown
say the ark
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is a once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity.
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That would be incredible
to go see.
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There's gonna be scientists
on-site to talk with folk
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about what Noah's ark
is all about.
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- This is monumental.
- It's huge.
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It's... oh, my goodness!
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Did man and dinosaurs
live together?
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Folks in awe.
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When finished, his ark will be
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seven stories tall
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and a football field
and a half long.
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Kentucky's tourism department
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has awarded $18 million
in tax breaks
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for a biblical theme park.
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If they want to set up
the Noah's ark theme park,
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that's all fine;
I'm all happy with that.
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Let them use their own money.
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People get off the interstate
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to come to the Ark Encounter,
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they're going to encounter
this first.
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♪ Hey, hey, hey, good-bye
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Ark Encounter is immoral,
impossible, and un-American.
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There's all kinds
of stuff in there
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that's not in the Bible.
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The Ark Encounter is a project
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which ultimately will entail
800 acres,
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and it's a 510-feet-long ship
set 12 feet off the ground,
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and it's gonna be about 65 feet
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if you're standing
on the top of it.
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A great lasting ability to be
able to really introduce people
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to biblical truth
and biblical history, so yeah,
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I would ultimately say this
is gonna be the greatest thing
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I will have ever had
a chance to do.
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This first phase
is something like $57 million.
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The whole park itself is
somewhere around $160 million.
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People will enter it
from behind here.
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All of the queue lines
that we have
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are all teaching queue lines,
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so basically you're really
kind of learning
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about the preflood culture
as you walk along,
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really starting
all the way from Adam
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and the beginning of creation.
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So the ark is just
one huge museum,
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the way that it functions.
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- Check one. Check two.
- Check, check.
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I'm speaking, I think...
Oh.
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On the relevance...
I'm pretty sure.
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I do one of two talks usually,
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but I'm pretty sure it's on
the relevance of Genesis,
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so kind of focusing
on how that's relevant
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in our culture today
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and young people
leaving the church.
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Well, it's a pleasure to be
here with you this afternoon
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and to talk with you about
creation versus evolution.
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Is Genesis relevant?
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And what we're gonna
talk about is...
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We live in
a very visual society,
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and we want to be able
to bring that same level
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that you see, for example,
at the Smithsonian
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but without the evolutionary
indoctrination,
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the evolutionary fairy tale,
so to speak.
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We need to educate our children
from a very young age
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about the truthfulness
and authority of God's word
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because they are hearing
all of this stuff out there
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in the world about dinosaurs
and millions of years
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and evolution and being...
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We know from scripture
that if you
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look at the genealogies,
especially those
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in Genesis chapter 5 and 11,
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it tells the names of people,
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how old they were
when they died.
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So we can actually
add those ages up,
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and if you go
from Adam to Abraham,
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you'll see
there's about 2,000 years,
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and from other genealogies,
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we know
there's about 2,000 years
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between Abraham and Christ,
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and then we, of course, know
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there's about 2,000 years
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between Christ and today.
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So that gives us a grand total
of 6,000 years.
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It's only 6,000 years,
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not millions and millions
of years being possible.
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If we don't take what the Bible
says in one part as true,
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then it becomes a problem
for the rest of scripture,
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and that's really
what this is about.
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And is it all true,
or is only part of it true?
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Because if only
part of it's true,
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then how do you know
any of it's true?
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The scripture doesn't need
anything other than itself
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because it is
the ultimate authority,
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and it is true, so therefore
whatever it says is true
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because it's the, you know,
word of God, so...
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but because it's true,
we would expect science
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to be consistent with it
and confirm it, and it does.
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We've actually gotten
to the point in our home
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that we do not use the term
"Bible story" anymore.
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It has been outlawed.
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We will say "Bible account,"
"Bible event,"
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"Bible history,"
but it's not a story.
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These are things
that really happened.
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This is true.
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Oh, my gosh!
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One of our themes this year
is about rescuing our kids
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from the evolutionary ideas,
millions of years,
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because it is just rampant
in material for children,
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whether it be cartoons
or books or school.
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We have a lot
of stationary dinosaurs,
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as well as several
animatronic dinosaurs.
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Because kids really are
fascinated by them.
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And there's just
something about,
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you know, going out
into the museum
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and seeing these dinosaurs
and seeing all those things
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that you might see
at a "regular" museum,
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so to speak,
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But from a very different
perspective.
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Our design team has been
working really hard
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on putting together
an exhibit donated to us.
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It's one of the...
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I think it's one of the largest
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allosauruses ever discovered,
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and so that's just great
for us to be able
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to display something
just as fine
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as what the Smithsonian Museum
would do,
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because we believe
that these things
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are not millions of years old.
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They're actually only
thousands of years old.
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But for some reason,
after the flood,
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just like with
a lot of other organisms,
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the animals weren't able
to survive,
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and so they've become
extinct today.
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As far as we know,
they've become extinct today.
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I'm very excited, yeah.
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Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
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Oh, sorry, man.
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When a guy comes at you
with a dinosaur femur,
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you get out of the way.
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Yeah.
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As a creation museum,
this is great for us.
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We believe in dinosaurs.
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People think we don't
believe in dinosaurs.
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You know, we believe
in dinosaurs.
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We believe that dinosaurs
and man lived at the same time.
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The Bible does talk about,
you know, creation week
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and all the mammals and humans
were created on day six,
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so that would mean that
they were on the same day.
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Does it just have one clavicle?
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- Yeah. It's a fused furcula.
- I didn't know that.
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- It's called a furcula.
- It's a fused clavicle.
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- Furcula.
- That is a leg.
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Oh, that is weird.
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I think that it's just
a really cool thing
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to have a real dinosaur
of this caliber.
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This is a fossil created
during Noah's flood,
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and so we're gonna have signage
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that teaches about that idea.
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Oh, yeah.
Oh, wait a minute.
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Oh, that looks nice.
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I like that.
It's easy to read.
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If there was a global flood,
you would expect
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to find billions of dead things
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buried in rock layers laid down
by water all over the Earth,
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and that's exactly what we find.
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We look at all these layers
of sediment
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not as a record of millions
of years of life on Earth
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but rather as record of burial
during Noah's flood.
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Just want to take a minute
and thank the Lord
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for giving this thing here.
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Dear heavenly Father,
thank you so much
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that you've allowed
all this come together.
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Thank you that we can
have this fossil
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and that it's just
a really cool thing.
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Thank you for the testimony
that it is of the flood...
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of the judgment of the flood
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and then ultimately
of your reality,
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and just thank you so much,
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and especially I want
to thank you for Jesus,
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and it's in his name I pray.
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Amen.
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- There you go.
- There you go.
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Okay, we're gonna
get underway here.
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We're going to open
and dedicate a new exhibit here
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At the Creation Museum.
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Before we unveil this beautiful
fossil and the reconstruction,
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I just wanted
to mention something
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about the new ark project
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that'll be open in 2016,
by the way,
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the life-size Noah's ark
that's being constructed.
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Okay, now, if we're ready
for the exhibit to be unveiled,
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we shall take down
the plastic curtain.
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- Whoa!
- Wow!
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♪ I don't believe
in evolution ♪
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♪ I know creation is true
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♪ I believe that God above
created me and you ♪
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♪ So praise his name
for what he's made ♪
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♪ Give credit where it's due
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♪ I don't believe
in evolution ♪
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♪ I know creation is true
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♪ I don't believe
in evolution ♪
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♪ I know creation is true
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When they started talking
about the Ark Encounter
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and getting it all set up,
I was really excited
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'cause I was still
a creationist.
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Oh, I thought,
"Oh, wow, we'll get
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"a whole scale model of the ark.
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That's not been done."
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And I really wanted them
to really go into detail
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and show
how it all could have worked.
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I prefer to use
the term "indoctrination."
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These ideas are
very deeply embedded.
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You hear them
over and over and over again,
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that the Bible
has to be history.
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If you go over,
if you believe in evolution,
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you're hurting the gospel.
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You're making it hard
for people to get saved.
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Next thing you know,
you're going to be
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a raving atheist
feminist communist,
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and then you're just gonna
give up everything.
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Hey, can I get a...
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I had a lot of people
tell me that
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"You're attacking God,"
that "You're trying to...
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"you hate God; you are...
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you are out to take
people away from God,"
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and, you know... and I wasn't.
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That was difficult,
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because when you grow up
believing
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that this is the only way
to hold the Christianity,
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you lose creationism,
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and suddenly you're like,
"Wait, do I still keep...
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Am I still a Christian here?
What do I do?"
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This is a picture
of me and Ken Ham.
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I was probably about 16
at the time,
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and I said, "Hey, Mom and Dad,
I am going to earn some money,
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"and I'm going to be
one of the lifetime
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"charter members there
because this is something
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that's important to me."
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There are a lot of gaps
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in just the average layperson's
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understanding of science,
and so creationism comes in
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and fills those gaps with...
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things that aren't quite right.
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They're just wrong enough
to make it sound good,
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and that's why, you know,
as a creationist,
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I thought that I knew
way more science
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than the average person
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because I had
so much more information.
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I had all of these gaps
filled in.
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I just had them filled in
with the wrong ideas.
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So I wanted to just share...
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if there are people
who are interested
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in how creationism is based
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and why people believe
these things,
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I wanted to be able
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to share my experiences,
and that's something
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that people have been
pretty receptive to.
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I've had a lot of readers,
and I also sent it
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to the science editor
of Huffington Post,
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and then it got picked up
as well
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by the "Lexington
Herald Leader."
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The approach
from most creationists
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has been very, very hostile.
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"Stop being angry at God,"
"Stop being offended at God,"
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"God's waiting for you,"
stuff like that,
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and that's all frustrating
because I'm a Christian.
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I'm not...
I haven't left anything.
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It's...
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And that's just this assumption
that it comes from evolution
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and deep time
and all these things,
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they come from this philosophy
of atheism,
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that that's where they're based,
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and that's just not true.
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Here in Kentucky,
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we have lots
of hilly topography.
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When the highways are built,
they break...
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they go through the rock
and leave
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these outcrops behind,
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which are always wonderful
for geologists
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and paleontologists.
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I mean, that's one
of the great things
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about the Maysville area
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is, the collecting
is just so easy.
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Side of the road,
it's a little bit gray area
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whether we're allowed
to collect,
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but I've had state troopers
help me collect before,
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so usually if you're not drunk
or anything like that,
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they won't kick you
off the outcrops,
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or at most,
they'll ask you to leave.
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People will honk at you
and sometimes
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throw beer cans and...
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Oh, I think I got this
for Christmas
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in probably 1967 or 1968.
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And when I was in high school
in the late 1970s,
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we had a little bit of evolution
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when we talked about genetics,
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but the chapter on evolution
in the book was so cool,
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and I had all these fossils
I was gonna bring into class
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and show the teacher.
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We ran out of time.
We just didn't have that.
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Darn it, we just
ran out of time.
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We had plenty of time to talk
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about the coach's
track victories
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and the track team,
but we didn't have time
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to talk about evolution
in biology class.
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And by the time I was in
my second semester of college,
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it was a big deal here.
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The local community
wanted creationism
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taught in the schools,
and the school board
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was divided two-to-two
with one undecided member,
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and I got involved in this
quite early.
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I was writing letters
to the editor
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pretty much end of high school
and college,
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probably that summer.
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This is one time I really wish
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the James Bond jet pack
had been perfected.
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It seems like always
the very nice place to collect
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is something like this
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where you have to climb
over all this stuff,
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and your feet will ache
tomorrow morning
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from stepping
on all these rocks.
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That's a pretty neat
bottom feature.
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I'm not sure what it is.
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I don't know what causes that.
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That's interesting.
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I was thinking at first,
it might be a trace fossil
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of some sort, and it could be.
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But sometimes
you just don't know.
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That's the strength
of science, though.
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We don't say that we know it
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and then refuse
to change our answer.
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In science,
it's all right to say,
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"I don't know,
might never know."
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You might think you know
and might be wrong,
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but you can change your mind
based on the evidence,
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not because of some sort
of religious dogma.
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There's videos of Ken Ham
on the Internet
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talking to groups of schoolkids,
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and he'll say things like,
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"When a scientist
says certain rock
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is such-and-such billions
of years old, what do you say?"
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And he'll tell them to say,
"Were you there?"
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as if you had to be there
in order
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to make an interpretation
of the geologic past.
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And you don't have to be there.
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You can observe evidence
in the present
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and see things and figure out,
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just like forensic science,
what happened in the past.
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There's just so many different
crazy things
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that would have to be changed
about the world
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if we did things
the way the creationists
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are doing geology.
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But that's my rant,
I guess, for right now.
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- You ready?
- Yeah!
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Okay.
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Sixth day.
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"Oh, were you there?"
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I'm Mark Looy, and welcome
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to another milestone
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in the construction of this
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life-size Noah's ark behind me.
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It's going to be
an impressive structure
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when it opens,
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Lord willing,
summer of next year.
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Let me introduce Ken Ham,
our president.
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He is the visionary
behind the Ark Encounter,
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and he'll say a few words here,
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and then we'll lead you
on a tour of the ark.
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Ken?
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Okay, thank you, Mark,
and good morning,
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and thank you for coming.
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The ark itself is going to be
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built up on that platform
that you see.
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Now, that concrete platform,
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the precast concrete
you see there won't be visible
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when it's open;
it'll have a wooden...
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The whole point of this park
is to teach people
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that these biblical events
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were real history in real time
that actually happened,
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so that's really
what this is all about,
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that there really was a flood.
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It's not a bathtub ark.
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He created a real ark
for a real flood
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that probably destroyed
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upwards of 10 billion people
on the Earth.
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You've got an ark that was
created to save eight people,
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and the rest of the population
was literally obliterated
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because God was really unhappy
with what He did.
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That's what the Bible says.
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I'm gonna say, come January,
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we, the design team,
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can actually get inside there
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and start, you know,
installing exhibits,
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so that's really gonna be
the next thing.
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Since the last time we talked,
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we were working on
the allosaur at that point,
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and a totally different team
was working
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on designing the ark.
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And I actually... at that point,
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I didn't think I was gonna
get to work on the ark
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because we had a special team
for that,
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and at some point,
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I was switched over
to full-time on the ark, and...
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which is awesome;
it's a dream job.
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Almost everything
that you're seeing
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is going into the ark
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to represent animals
that would be on the ark
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to be saved from the flood.
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A lot of people falsely think
that Noah
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had to take two
of every species of animal,
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which there's millions
and millions,
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and, you know, people
make jokes about that.
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But no, no, no,
it would have been
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far fewer numbers,
in just a few thousands,
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because just like,
you know, you've got dogs,
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you don't need
all the varieties of dogs.
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You just need two dogs
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and then breed out
everything else.
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So the same thing is true
with all of the animals.
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So that's why the Bible
specifically says "kinds."
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Panic? No.
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Occasionally I will lay awake
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thinking of, you know,
what's next and how...
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strategically, how are we
gonna get all this done?
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I feel like this is what I've
been prepared for all my life.
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And so I feel like that, like...
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that sort of hits me like a wave
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every once in a while,
just purpose.
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Everybody who works
for Answers in Genesis
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is a creationist.
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I actually have been
a creationist
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as long as I've been alive,
basically,
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but I actually went
through a period
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where I kind of
was questioning that.
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I thought, "Well, you know,
they seem to have
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"some good points
about how the Earth
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could probably be
really, really old,"
445
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and I was like, "Uh, you know,
446
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"maybe the Earth
is millions of years old.
447
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What does it matter, really?"
448
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And then when I met Ken
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and he just said it, like,
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"The Earth can't really be
millions of years old
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"if death and suffering came in
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"when Adam and Eve sinned,
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"because you couldn't have
millions of years of death
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and suffering before sin,
if that's the case."
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So it wasn't that I came back
from not believing
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in six-day creation,
but at the same time,
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I realized it was more important
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than I had even thought
it was originally.
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This is actually
a grandfather of the giraffes,
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and then this is
a classic stegosaurus.
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This one's reclining.
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Yes. Very important.
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On the ark,
we're assuming that...
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we're assuming,
'cause it doesn't say...
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but it would make sense for him
to take younger animals
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because they would eat less
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and they would have a chance
to live longer after the flood,
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so it just made sense
for them to be younger.
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Plus, they take up
so much less space.
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You know, you think
of dinosaurs, you think,
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"Oh, my goodness,
he'd never be able
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to get those on the ark."
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Well, the eggs of dinosaurs
are only this big.
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T. rex, when it was born,
was only, you know, that big,
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so you can have a juvenile
with no problem,
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so yeah, stegs got big.
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These things got really big,
not as big as T. rex.
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We got... that's what the guys
are working on in there.
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I think a lot of people,
when they look at these,
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will assume
that they are raptors
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because they're so similar
in size,
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but even though T. rex
got to be about 40 feet long,
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we're representing them
as juveniles.
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I don't feel like I'm gonna,
like, just talk to you
485
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and convert you
as you walk out the door.
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But I want you to see that,
you know, I'm a normal person.
487
00:26:00,014 --> 00:26:02,214
I am not crazy,
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00:26:02,247 --> 00:26:05,347
but I do believe in all of this,
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and any opportunity I get
to talk about it, I'll take it.
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I think this ape's almost done,
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just a couple little
final touches.
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I think you've seen that in
several stages along the way.
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When you create a park
like this,
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you gotta entertain people.
495
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You want them to have fun,
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but you also want to teach them,
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and so we have a section
within the Walled City,
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as I'm calling
this entrance area there,
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where we will bring
people through
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that will literally show them
501
00:26:40,014 --> 00:26:43,347
what we think was going on
during that period of time,
502
00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:46,047
and it's a lot like walking
through Main Street Disney,
503
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,347
where you've got food
and you've got entertainment
504
00:26:48,380 --> 00:26:50,980
and you've got crafts
and you've got, you know,
505
00:26:51,014 --> 00:26:52,647
things... you know,
gifts, shopping,
506
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,214
all of that kind of stuff.
507
00:26:54,247 --> 00:26:55,480
So as you walk through that,
508
00:26:55,514 --> 00:26:56,956
plus, you know,
with the live entertainment
509
00:26:56,980 --> 00:26:58,514
and the shows that we'll do,
510
00:26:58,547 --> 00:27:01,380
we'll give you
what our rendition is
511
00:27:01,414 --> 00:27:03,780
of what we think
the culture was very much like.
512
00:27:03,814 --> 00:27:07,347
And, you know, it's gonna be
graphic in a lot of ways,
513
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:08,890
so you can decide
whether you want to take
514
00:27:08,914 --> 00:27:10,214
your children through it or not.
515
00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:15,780
Well, let's at least talk
about the society
516
00:27:15,814 --> 00:27:17,247
that we have today.
517
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,680
We have crime.
518
00:27:18,714 --> 00:27:21,347
We have rampant sex
out of marriage.
519
00:27:21,380 --> 00:27:23,714
We have all kinds of deviations
520
00:27:23,747 --> 00:27:26,580
that are going on
within our society today.
521
00:27:26,614 --> 00:27:28,714
You know, so much of it
has fallen apart.
522
00:27:28,747 --> 00:27:31,147
When I was a kid growing up,
everybody was married.
523
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:32,914
Everybody went to church.
524
00:27:32,947 --> 00:27:34,547
You know,
and the American society
525
00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:37,247
was very different
than it is today.
526
00:27:40,014 --> 00:27:42,847
God says, "That's the kind
of stuff that I'm gonna judge,"
527
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,280
and so that's basically
the kind of thing,
528
00:27:45,314 --> 00:27:47,447
I think, on a more extreme level
529
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,880
that we'll be showing
within the Walled City itself.
530
00:27:49,914 --> 00:27:51,980
You've got slavery.
You've got bestiality.
531
00:27:52,014 --> 00:27:56,780
You've got all kinds of crazy
stuff that's going on, and...
532
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,680
You'll just have to wait
and see.
533
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Tonight
a biblical-based theme park
534
00:28:03,514 --> 00:28:04,880
is creating controversy.
535
00:28:04,914 --> 00:28:06,880
It's about whether
the government is too involved
536
00:28:06,914 --> 00:28:08,147
in helping to build it.
537
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:10,280
Democratic governor
Steve Beshear
538
00:28:10,314 --> 00:28:12,314
said the government
is very excited about it
539
00:28:12,347 --> 00:28:13,680
and explained why.
540
00:28:13,714 --> 00:28:16,780
The numbers alone tell the tale.
541
00:28:16,814 --> 00:28:20,847
This is
a $150-million investment
542
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,014
that is projected to create
nearly 900 jobs,
543
00:28:24,047 --> 00:28:27,814
including almost 550
full-time jobs.
544
00:28:27,847 --> 00:28:29,747
Folks here in Williamstown
say the ark
545
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:31,847
is a once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity.
546
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:38,347
The county went through
some hard economic times
547
00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:40,314
several years ago,
548
00:28:40,347 --> 00:28:43,447
but they're hopeful that will
change now with the ark.
549
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,814
It looks like
a very Mayberry-type
550
00:28:46,847 --> 00:28:49,047
place to live and all.
551
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,980
It looks very nice,
for the most part.
552
00:28:51,014 --> 00:28:53,014
It's a nice small town,
553
00:28:53,047 --> 00:28:54,647
horrible financial situation,
554
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,180
so you understand
why they're so desperate.
555
00:28:59,414 --> 00:29:01,514
I really feel sorry
for the town.
556
00:29:04,314 --> 00:29:07,214
President and CEO
of Answers in Genesis
557
00:29:07,247 --> 00:29:08,747
and Ark Encounter, Ken Ham,
558
00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:12,547
believes the ark will generate
$4 billion in revenue
559
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:14,214
and bring 20,000 jobs
to the region
560
00:29:14,247 --> 00:29:16,180
over the next ten years.
561
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,514
The locals seem to be
completely snowed in by this.
562
00:29:24,547 --> 00:29:26,414
They were pretty much told
563
00:29:26,447 --> 00:29:29,847
that the streets
were gonna be paved with gold.
564
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:34,347
The mayor even told the citizens
565
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:36,214
that their utility rates
would go down
566
00:29:36,247 --> 00:29:38,047
because of the Ark Park.
567
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,647
It just seems so flimflam-ish
568
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,347
that I can't really envision
things turning out
569
00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:53,747
like Ken Ham says
they're gonna turn out.
570
00:29:53,780 --> 00:29:54,980
One of the first things I did
571
00:29:55,014 --> 00:29:57,947
when I started opposing
the Ark Park
572
00:29:57,980 --> 00:30:03,014
is, I got a subscription
to the Grant County News,
573
00:30:03,047 --> 00:30:07,014
so I was able to get a sort of
inside source of information.
574
00:30:07,047 --> 00:30:10,614
And I have lots of stories
going all the way back from...
575
00:30:10,647 --> 00:30:13,914
like, this is 2012,
"Ark Park Moving Slowly."
576
00:30:13,947 --> 00:30:16,714
You know, they'll have
guest columns by Ken Ham.
577
00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:21,780
They occasionally have op-eds
by various creationists,
578
00:30:21,814 --> 00:30:24,647
including Mark Looy, the...
579
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,514
one of the spokespeople
for Answers in Genesis.
580
00:30:27,547 --> 00:30:30,180
This one might be replying
to something I wrote.
581
00:30:30,214 --> 00:30:32,980
He didn't mention me by name,
though, in his reply.
582
00:30:33,014 --> 00:30:35,547
Here's when they started
some of the construction.
583
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:37,647
"Ark Taking Shape."
584
00:30:40,447 --> 00:30:42,114
People that visit the Ark Park,
585
00:30:42,147 --> 00:30:43,514
they have to pay sales tax,
586
00:30:43,547 --> 00:30:45,180
and Answers in Genesis,
587
00:30:45,214 --> 00:30:47,314
they get back
588
00:30:47,347 --> 00:30:51,614
up to, like, $1.8 million
per year of the tax money
589
00:30:51,647 --> 00:30:54,247
they normally would send
to the state coffers,
590
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,314
so instead of the state
getting the money,
591
00:30:56,347 --> 00:30:57,880
Answers in Genesis gets to keep
592
00:30:57,914 --> 00:31:00,747
a good portion
of their sales tax.
593
00:31:01,347 --> 00:31:04,547
I got on the Answers
in Genesis website,
594
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:05,680
and I got on there,
595
00:31:05,714 --> 00:31:07,090
and I looked
at the employment thing,
596
00:31:07,114 --> 00:31:09,614
and lo and behold,
there was one for a CAD,
597
00:31:09,647 --> 00:31:12,247
a computer-assisted
design operator,
598
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,247
specifically for the Ark Park,
599
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,414
and basically what I found was,
600
00:31:16,447 --> 00:31:18,380
they required
the salvation history,
601
00:31:18,414 --> 00:31:21,947
the agreement with Answers
in Genesis statement of faith,
602
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:25,247
all these different things
that even included
603
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,880
what church you went to
and things like that.
604
00:31:29,314 --> 00:31:31,847
I've never seen a job,
not even for janitor,
605
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,947
that didn't require
the belief statement.
606
00:31:35,814 --> 00:31:38,814
If you're getting
any sort of public funding
607
00:31:38,847 --> 00:31:41,780
and, all at once,
you only hire certain people
608
00:31:41,814 --> 00:31:44,314
based on
their religious beliefs,
609
00:31:44,347 --> 00:31:47,247
that contradicts the idea
610
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,880
that you're actually
helping the economy.
611
00:31:48,914 --> 00:31:51,947
You're just helping
a specific religious sect.
612
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:54,314
So I wrote the op-ed
where I wrote
613
00:31:54,347 --> 00:31:57,314
the "Herald Leader"
about the discovery
614
00:31:57,347 --> 00:31:59,714
That they were gonna
discriminate in hiring.
615
00:31:59,747 --> 00:32:01,314
Unfortunately
the "Herald Leader" said,
616
00:32:01,347 --> 00:32:03,547
"Non-Christians need not apply,"
617
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:05,747
and actually,
most Christians aren't eligible
618
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:07,147
for jobs at the Ark Park.
619
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:12,347
It's not just unbelievers
and Jewish people, Muslims,
620
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:15,280
Mormons, anything like that.
621
00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:17,814
Mainstream Protestants
and Catholics
622
00:32:17,847 --> 00:32:20,280
and even Old Earth creationists
623
00:32:20,314 --> 00:32:22,580
would not be eligible
for hiring.
624
00:32:23,747 --> 00:32:26,180
Americans United jumped on it
625
00:32:26,214 --> 00:32:28,447
and sent a formal letter
to Kentucky Tourism
626
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,414
about the tax incentive.
627
00:32:31,447 --> 00:32:33,014
But one of the most
frustrating things
628
00:32:33,047 --> 00:32:34,480
about this whole situation
629
00:32:34,514 --> 00:32:36,214
is that Ken Ham continually
630
00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:39,147
tried to play on both sides.
631
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:41,214
He would argue that,
"Oh, the Ark park
632
00:32:41,247 --> 00:32:42,780
"is really just
a tourist attraction,
633
00:32:42,814 --> 00:32:45,480
and, you know, we're welcoming
everybody; it's all right."
634
00:32:45,514 --> 00:32:48,247
Mr. Ham, do you see this park
as part of a ministry,
635
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,447
as essentially a church,
or is it purely business?
636
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,314
Well, actually,
the Ark Encounter
637
00:32:53,347 --> 00:32:55,680
is a profit organization
638
00:32:55,714 --> 00:32:58,247
that's set up to give
a particular view
639
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,780
of biblical history;
it's really a...
640
00:32:59,814 --> 00:33:01,547
But then he would then
tell his supporters
641
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:02,814
that it was designed
642
00:33:02,847 --> 00:33:04,480
to proselytize
and convince people
643
00:33:04,514 --> 00:33:06,547
of the truth of the story
of Noah's ark
644
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:07,847
and the truth of the Bible
645
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,514
and persuade them to adopt
the religious views
646
00:33:10,547 --> 00:33:12,714
favored by some
fundamentalist Christians.
647
00:33:12,747 --> 00:33:13,923
Think of a Christian facility...
648
00:33:13,947 --> 00:33:15,047
But I believe it.
649
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,447
That stands on the word of God
650
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,714
and 132 ark bays with exhibits,
651
00:33:19,747 --> 00:33:21,614
and it's gonna really show
652
00:33:21,647 --> 00:33:23,814
that we can give answers
and challenge them
653
00:33:23,847 --> 00:33:25,247
that they need
to put their faith
654
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,880
and trust
in the Lord Jesus Christ.
655
00:33:26,914 --> 00:33:29,047
- Wow.
- So it's an evangelistic ark.
656
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,390
- Yes.
- We have many, many others...
657
00:33:30,414 --> 00:33:31,814
You can't have it both ways,
658
00:33:31,847 --> 00:33:33,527
and that's where we really
had the problem.
659
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,620
Americans United
for the Separation
660
00:33:35,647 --> 00:33:38,280
of Church and State
contacted me and asked me
661
00:33:38,314 --> 00:33:41,647
if I would be willing to be
party to their legal action.
662
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,380
I readily agreed to do so
663
00:33:43,414 --> 00:33:46,547
because they thought
it was important to represent
664
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:48,514
the fact that there
are religious people,
665
00:33:48,547 --> 00:33:51,114
deeply religious people,
who are also uncomfortable
666
00:33:51,147 --> 00:33:53,580
with those sorts
of government benefits
667
00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:55,580
going to a religious purpose.
668
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,780
I think implicit in the idea
of the separation
669
00:33:58,814 --> 00:34:02,114
of church and state is humility,
670
00:34:02,147 --> 00:34:05,980
that no one religion,
no one philosophy
671
00:34:06,014 --> 00:34:08,447
has all the answers.
672
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,780
And they are very confident
in what they believe,
673
00:34:10,814 --> 00:34:13,914
and they have strong
reservations about me.
674
00:34:13,947 --> 00:34:17,547
I'm confident
in what I believe too.
675
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:21,180
And I believe if you allow
the free flow of ideas
676
00:34:21,214 --> 00:34:22,547
that a more mature faith
677
00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:25,280
is going to do well
in that conversation,
678
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:28,414
and so I would just encourage
more conversation,
679
00:34:28,447 --> 00:34:31,714
and I think the scripture says,
"You shall know the truth,
680
00:34:31,747 --> 00:34:33,747
and the truth
shall make you free."
681
00:34:35,547 --> 00:34:41,080
And at that point,
December of 2014,
682
00:34:41,114 --> 00:34:43,214
the state basically said,
683
00:34:43,247 --> 00:34:45,980
"No, we're not gonna give you
the tax incentives."
684
00:34:46,014 --> 00:34:48,580
You don't really realize
until a particular religion
685
00:34:48,614 --> 00:34:52,980
manages to take over an entire
county and city government
686
00:34:53,014 --> 00:34:55,747
and get them to do
everything they're asked
687
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:58,514
How important the separation
of church and state is.
688
00:34:58,547 --> 00:35:00,680
Park officials are seeking
legal action
689
00:35:00,714 --> 00:35:03,647
after being denied
tax incentives.
690
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,814
The Commonwealth says
it cannot give tax incentives
691
00:35:05,847 --> 00:35:08,580
to a company that
"intends to discriminate
692
00:35:08,614 --> 00:35:11,180
in hiring its employees
based on religion."
693
00:35:11,214 --> 00:35:12,814
The ark's parent organization,
694
00:35:12,847 --> 00:35:14,247
Answers in Genesis, has launched
695
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,080
a billboard campaign
to bolster supporters.
696
00:35:17,114 --> 00:35:20,214
A federal lawsuit
could soon follow.
697
00:35:20,247 --> 00:35:21,614
Throughout this whole debate,
698
00:35:21,647 --> 00:35:23,680
Ken Ham continued to insist
699
00:35:23,714 --> 00:35:26,347
that he was not receiving
any state support,
700
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:28,156
and he would get mad
when we said that he was.
701
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:32,714
And let me say this
for all the media:
702
00:35:32,747 --> 00:35:37,947
not one cent has come
from taxpayer money.
703
00:36:40,214 --> 00:36:43,714
Yeah, he won by a rather
large margin, actually,
704
00:36:43,747 --> 00:36:46,714
in spite of being five points
behind in the polls.
705
00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:48,714
Governor Bevin is
a fundamentalist Christian.
706
00:36:48,747 --> 00:36:50,656
You could be an atheist,
and you would appreciate
707
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,647
there's a lot of wisdom
in the Bible.
708
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,247
He has tweeted
pictures of himself
709
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,514
visiting the Ark Park.
710
00:37:00,047 --> 00:37:02,380
The governor came in
at just the time
711
00:37:02,414 --> 00:37:04,747
when it would've been decided
712
00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:07,347
what's gonna happen
with this ruling,
713
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:10,447
and the governor had
campaigned in part on the idea
714
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,280
that he would support
the Ark Park.
715
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,114
Basically the judge bought
the idea that the Ark Park
716
00:37:16,147 --> 00:37:18,380
was just another
tourist attraction
717
00:37:18,414 --> 00:37:20,080
and that it should get
the same benefits
718
00:37:20,114 --> 00:37:22,380
that similarly situated
attractions
719
00:37:22,414 --> 00:37:24,047
had received in the past.
720
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,280
A legal win for a biblical
theme park in Kentucky.
721
00:37:34,314 --> 00:37:37,847
A federal judge says the state
cannot exclude the park
722
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,547
from a tax incentive program
worth millions of dollars.
723
00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:43,156
We were thrilled, of course,
with the result
724
00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:46,547
because the judge ruled
in Answers in Genesis' favor.
725
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:51,014
Tickets are now available
online for the Ark Encounter.
726
00:37:51,047 --> 00:37:52,680
I really wish
there were more people
727
00:37:52,714 --> 00:37:54,314
helping me fight this.
728
00:38:00,514 --> 00:38:04,814
And a lot of people
that I know scientifically
729
00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:06,180
just won't get involved in this.
730
00:38:06,214 --> 00:38:07,423
They don't want
to take the time.
731
00:38:07,447 --> 00:38:09,747
They say,
"Well, Dan will do it,"
732
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:11,380
and, you know,
733
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:13,880
maybe if I stopped doing
some of the stuff I do,
734
00:38:13,914 --> 00:38:16,914
somebody else would step in
and do something, but...
735
00:38:16,947 --> 00:38:18,190
people don't want
to be unpopular.
736
00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:19,323
They don't want to say things
737
00:38:19,347 --> 00:38:21,847
that'll draw attention
to themselves.
738
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,280
I've been the object
of several Ken Ham blog posts
739
00:38:26,314 --> 00:38:29,247
specifically aimed at myself.
740
00:38:31,347 --> 00:38:32,747
And maybe people,
they don't want
741
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:35,380
to have to deal with...
742
00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:37,714
basically bull like that
on the side.
743
00:38:37,747 --> 00:38:38,947
I'm not really sure.
744
00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:42,347
It's like grabbing hold
of something
745
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:44,947
and it gets sticky all over you,
746
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:47,414
and if they were to come forward
747
00:38:47,447 --> 00:38:50,780
and say very much against
the Ark Park,
748
00:38:50,814 --> 00:38:52,423
they would have the people
from the Ark Park
749
00:38:52,447 --> 00:38:54,480
breathing down their throats
all the time.
750
00:38:56,780 --> 00:38:58,614
It is... it's frustrating.
751
00:38:58,647 --> 00:39:01,014
I mean, people ask me why
I spend so much time on this,
752
00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:04,214
and this is one
of the reasons why.
753
00:39:05,214 --> 00:39:08,480
I mean, nobody else seems like
they give a damn about it.
754
00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:10,014
I mean, I know they really do,
755
00:39:10,047 --> 00:39:13,147
but they can't really come out
and say anything.
756
00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:37,914
The ark puts us on the map,
so to speak.
757
00:39:37,947 --> 00:39:39,714
One of my favorite headlines
I ever wrote
758
00:39:39,747 --> 00:39:40,980
when I was at the paper was,
759
00:39:41,014 --> 00:39:43,614
"Ark Brings
Flood of Possibilities," so...
760
00:39:45,314 --> 00:39:48,047
I couldn't help it.
761
00:39:49,047 --> 00:39:50,547
I can remember,
as a little girl,
762
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:53,680
coming to downtown and skating
in the skating rink,
763
00:39:53,714 --> 00:39:56,880
and the downtown area was
always bustling on Saturdays,
764
00:39:56,914 --> 00:39:59,280
and then we went
through the downturn,
765
00:39:59,314 --> 00:40:02,380
the economic times,
when you could almost see
766
00:40:02,414 --> 00:40:04,180
the tumbleweeds blow
through downtown.
767
00:40:04,214 --> 00:40:05,747
And now we're excited
768
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:09,080
because we've got businesses
coming back.
769
00:40:09,114 --> 00:40:11,680
It's awesome to see
young people getting excited
770
00:40:11,714 --> 00:40:14,480
about the potential
for our community again.
771
00:40:14,514 --> 00:40:16,056
Okay, so this is
Elmer's General Store.
772
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,547
We've got hand-dipped ice cream,
773
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:21,014
homemade fried pies,
and other desserts.
774
00:40:21,047 --> 00:40:23,947
So we do the old-time malts,
milkshakes, and the sodas
775
00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:25,456
and all this stuff,
and then, like I said,
776
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,347
we have the vendors,
and we're looking for more.
777
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:30,247
We had the experience
of working Gatlinburg
778
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,447
and Pigeon Forge,
so we know what
779
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,614
a tourist attraction can do
for a community,
780
00:40:34,647 --> 00:40:35,980
so we're excited.
781
00:40:36,014 --> 00:40:38,614
When you're getting calls
from places like China
782
00:40:38,647 --> 00:40:41,080
and Wisconsin and Missouri
and people want to know,
783
00:40:41,114 --> 00:40:43,780
"Where can I stay,
and what can I do?"
784
00:40:43,814 --> 00:40:45,380
we've never had that
in the past,
785
00:40:45,414 --> 00:40:47,014
so you capitalize on that.
786
00:40:49,114 --> 00:40:52,914
I say we serve about 50
at the moment,
787
00:40:52,947 --> 00:40:55,547
so it just, you know, depends
on your days, of course.
788
00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:57,456
You have ups and downs,
but when we have music shows,
789
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,947
We bring anywhere
from 50 to 150.
790
00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:02,680
So we're doing fine, you know.
791
00:41:02,714 --> 00:41:03,914
We can make it, barely,
792
00:41:03,947 --> 00:41:07,747
but the ark really will help
our tourism
793
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:08,956
and will help, the... you know,
794
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:10,380
the people coming through
the doors.
795
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,214
You know, this time next year,
796
00:41:14,247 --> 00:41:16,247
this town is not gonna
look like it is.
797
00:41:22,914 --> 00:41:25,480
I know they're already planning
on having shuttle buses
798
00:41:25,514 --> 00:41:27,947
come and drop tourists off
in Williamstown,
799
00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:30,080
so hopefully, you know,
they'll get an ice cream
800
00:41:30,114 --> 00:41:31,747
or listen to a song or two here,
801
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:33,714
and it will really help us.
802
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,180
So Jimmy wrote this song about
the ark, and he's lived here...
803
00:41:41,214 --> 00:41:43,514
Jimmy, you've lived here,
what, about 30 years or so?
804
00:41:43,547 --> 00:41:44,714
- 20.
- 20?
805
00:41:44,747 --> 00:41:46,414
- Try that.
- See if that fits.
806
00:41:46,447 --> 00:41:48,547
He's lived here longerthan
I've been alive, so...
807
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:49,947
No.
808
00:41:55,647 --> 00:41:56,647
You guys ready?
809
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Yeah.
810
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:11,314
♪ I went overto the edge of the line ♪
811
00:42:11,347 --> 00:42:14,314
♪ And looked into the dark
812
00:42:14,347 --> 00:42:16,547
♪ Yonder in the fieldsomewhere ♪
813
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:19,180
♪ I declare
I saw the ark ♪
814
00:42:19,214 --> 00:42:22,180
♪ Businessman
stood next to me ♪
815
00:42:22,214 --> 00:42:24,447
♪ He'd come to collect
his bounty ♪
816
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,114
♪ They're crawling
two-by-two because ♪
817
00:42:27,147 --> 00:42:29,947
♪ The ark is in Grant County
818
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:33,580
♪ Better keep
a-moving, folks ♪
819
00:42:33,614 --> 00:42:36,080
♪ No, this ain't no trick
820
00:42:36,114 --> 00:42:38,414
♪ The ark has been located
821
00:42:38,447 --> 00:42:42,747
♪ On Highway 36
822
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:45,980
♪ Exit 154
823
00:42:46,014 --> 00:42:50,947
♪ On Highway 36
824
00:43:09,247 --> 00:43:11,380
I haven't been
to the Creation Museum
825
00:43:11,414 --> 00:43:13,780
in years and years.
826
00:43:13,814 --> 00:43:17,680
I grew up in central Kentucky,
and I, of course,
827
00:43:17,714 --> 00:43:20,314
had a lifetime pass
to the Creation Museum.
828
00:43:20,347 --> 00:43:23,414
Here I am getting a picture
with my name
829
00:43:23,447 --> 00:43:26,380
on the wall
of lifetime charter members.
830
00:43:26,414 --> 00:43:28,447
Very proud that I was
on the wall there,
831
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,114
and I think I may have subtly
dropped that from time to time
832
00:43:32,147 --> 00:43:35,280
as I was talking to a girl
from a Christian family:
833
00:43:35,314 --> 00:43:38,080
"You know, I'm on the wall
at the Creation Museum."
834
00:43:38,114 --> 00:43:39,914
It was a big deal.
835
00:43:39,947 --> 00:43:41,347
This is... I was street preaching
836
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:43,514
in Huntington Beach
837
00:43:43,547 --> 00:43:45,880
in California,
did some street preaching.
838
00:43:45,914 --> 00:43:49,880
I've got some money-shaped
gospel tracts there,
839
00:43:49,914 --> 00:43:53,914
and I'm explaining the effects
of sin on the world
840
00:43:53,947 --> 00:43:56,014
and the importance of Genesis
841
00:43:56,047 --> 00:43:57,814
and the importance
of the Ten Commandments
842
00:43:57,847 --> 00:44:00,780
And everything
that goes along with that.
843
00:44:02,214 --> 00:44:03,654
I don't know,
there might be a degree
844
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,080
to which I think back
to where I was and think,
845
00:44:07,114 --> 00:44:09,747
"What would have changed
my mind?"
846
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,947
I... some of this stuff is new,
847
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:17,080
so I don't know my way around
at this point anymore.
848
00:44:17,114 --> 00:44:19,480
Hey, where are
the charter member plaques?
849
00:44:19,514 --> 00:44:21,980
Are they further on or...
850
00:44:22,014 --> 00:44:23,814
They should beright down here.
851
00:44:23,847 --> 00:44:25,047
- Right down here?
- Okay.
852
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,547
I was certain
that I knew everything.
853
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:29,380
I was really, really,
really prideful
854
00:44:29,414 --> 00:44:31,480
in my knowledge of Creationism
855
00:44:31,514 --> 00:44:33,580
and how I knew more
than the scientific community
856
00:44:33,614 --> 00:44:35,090
and I knew more
than all of these people
857
00:44:35,114 --> 00:44:36,390
who are just accepting evolution
858
00:44:36,414 --> 00:44:38,114
without asking questions.
859
00:44:38,147 --> 00:44:41,247
I regret that I was a big...
you know, a big know-it-all.
860
00:44:45,214 --> 00:44:47,314
Oh, it's a different...
this is a different person.
861
00:44:47,347 --> 00:44:49,880
This is someone else.
862
00:44:49,914 --> 00:44:53,014
You know, this is someone
who lived a long time ago,
863
00:44:53,047 --> 00:44:54,880
many... many years ago.
864
00:44:57,014 --> 00:44:58,547
And I don't know...
865
00:44:58,580 --> 00:45:00,114
I don't think he'd recognize me.
866
00:45:02,014 --> 00:45:03,847
Feels kind of strange.
867
00:45:07,414 --> 00:45:09,280
This is the king,
868
00:45:09,314 --> 00:45:11,814
the king of the preflood world.
869
00:45:11,847 --> 00:45:15,314
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he talks
in a King Julian voice.
870
00:45:15,347 --> 00:45:17,247
Maurice, you crazy fool!
871
00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:22,614
Welcome to my party!
872
00:45:22,647 --> 00:45:24,680
Everybody would be rooting
for the water
873
00:45:24,714 --> 00:45:26,214
to take him out at that point.
874
00:45:27,814 --> 00:45:32,714
He's gonna have this
golden helmet going on here.
875
00:45:32,747 --> 00:45:34,847
Yeah, he's just
having a good time.
876
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,614
So it's a very... very fun
diorama to work on,
877
00:45:38,647 --> 00:45:41,047
lot of dynamism.
878
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,447
All these figures,
we started with a 3-D scan
879
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,947
of actual people,
880
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:48,480
and then from there,
we take it into the computer,
881
00:45:48,514 --> 00:45:52,980
do a lot of resculpting,
but it's really fun stuff.
882
00:45:53,014 --> 00:45:54,690
We're working out, really,
the face of Noah.
883
00:45:54,714 --> 00:45:57,614
He's the iconic character,
so he's probably
884
00:45:57,647 --> 00:45:59,447
the most important character
that we have.
885
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880
And then, of course,
you got Ham, Shem, and Japheth
886
00:46:01,914 --> 00:46:03,514
and then all of their wives.
887
00:46:03,547 --> 00:46:05,780
Noah has to be
a very iconic figure
888
00:46:05,814 --> 00:46:09,047
because we're not only gonna
use him in pictures
889
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,756
like this illustration;
we're gonna use him
890
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:13,814
in static figures
and animatronic figures,
891
00:46:13,847 --> 00:46:18,680
and also we will re-create him
in film as well.
892
00:46:18,714 --> 00:46:20,914
These are some of
the different face concepts
893
00:46:20,947 --> 00:46:23,514
for the wives of the sons,
894
00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:26,280
so just kind of pulling some
different features from people
895
00:46:26,314 --> 00:46:28,647
from all over the world
so that they show
896
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,114
that it's a compilation
897
00:46:30,147 --> 00:46:32,580
of different characteristics,
so...
898
00:46:32,614 --> 00:46:34,147
Obviously we get
to kind of invent that
899
00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:35,856
'cause we don't know
what they looked like.
900
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,580
We get from the Bible
that Ham's descendants
901
00:46:38,614 --> 00:46:42,914
went to the Americas
through Asia, Africa,
902
00:46:42,947 --> 00:46:45,814
and so we kind of have
a bit of a challenge
903
00:46:45,847 --> 00:46:47,680
to kind of put all those
kinds of features
904
00:46:47,714 --> 00:46:51,847
into the faces
of Ham's wife and Ham.
905
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,847
Here, you know, you have Ham's wife.
906
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,014
You know, we do... do research; we've...
907
00:46:59,180 --> 00:47:01,880
Some physical features here.
908
00:47:01,914 --> 00:47:03,714
And so based upon
the characteristics,
909
00:47:03,747 --> 00:47:06,747
then we find
some gave you Asian.
910
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:08,114
Some gave you, you know, darker,
911
00:47:08,147 --> 00:47:09,447
more Middle Eastern features.
912
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,314
Some maybe gave you more
African features, et cetera,
913
00:47:12,347 --> 00:47:14,080
'cause you basically...
914
00:47:14,114 --> 00:47:18,480
everything literally comes
out of these three couples.
915
00:47:21,847 --> 00:47:23,247
You know, middle brown color
916
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,147
with brown eyes and brown hair.
917
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:26,547
Some is a little darker.
918
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:28,647
Some of the people
919
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,680
are a little bit darker,
some a little bit lighter.
920
00:47:31,714 --> 00:47:33,747
And you have what...
921
00:47:35,914 --> 00:47:39,847
Skin tone, eye color, stuff like that.
922
00:47:47,747 --> 00:47:49,414
We're gonna do
a peaceful demonstration.
923
00:47:49,447 --> 00:47:51,514
They have the right
to build their park,
924
00:47:51,547 --> 00:47:53,347
but we also have the right
to protest it,
925
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:56,414
that this story is not
scientifically accurate.
926
00:47:57,647 --> 00:47:59,814
And not only is it not
scientifically accurate.
927
00:47:59,847 --> 00:48:00,880
It's immoral.
928
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,680
The original idea
was to put up a billboard...
929
00:48:04,714 --> 00:48:07,080
a regular billboard for 30 days,
930
00:48:07,114 --> 00:48:09,214
and if we raised enough money,
we'd put up a couple.
931
00:48:09,247 --> 00:48:11,847
This was just the shot
to let people know we had...
932
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,547
If you gave us $500,
933
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:14,956
you can actually take
a photo of yourself.
934
00:48:14,980 --> 00:48:16,447
We want you all wet,
whatever pose,
935
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,447
take several poses,
and we will actually put you
936
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,914
in the billboard
drowning in the ocean.
937
00:48:20,947 --> 00:48:23,214
So it got us a lot of press.
938
00:48:23,247 --> 00:48:25,947
We raised almost $10,000
in a couple days.
939
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:28,814
The problem was,
the billboard company
940
00:48:28,847 --> 00:48:30,347
backed out
when it got all this press.
941
00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:34,014
We didn't expect radio, TV,
papers would pick it up.
942
00:48:34,047 --> 00:48:37,380
Atheist group's
anti-Ark Encounter billboard
943
00:48:37,414 --> 00:48:38,714
is rejected.
944
00:48:38,747 --> 00:48:41,347
Two billboard companies
have refused to display
945
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:43,847
an advertisement
by an atheist group
946
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,647
to protest the Ark Encounter
amusement park in Kentucky.
947
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,814
Tri-State Freethinker,
the president, Jim Helton,
948
00:48:50,847 --> 00:48:52,714
welcome
to "The Bill Cunningham Show."
949
00:48:52,747 --> 00:48:54,080
Thanks for having me on.
950
00:48:54,114 --> 00:48:57,447
Now, why do you say
genocide and incest
951
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,314
somehow is part of the ark?
952
00:49:00,347 --> 00:49:02,014
I don't know how else
to describe it.
953
00:49:02,047 --> 00:49:03,447
In the story of Noah's ark,
954
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,080
God drowns everybody.
955
00:49:05,114 --> 00:49:07,347
Now, some Christians will say
that people are wicked,
956
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:09,314
but he drowns everybody,
even the innocent:
957
00:49:09,347 --> 00:49:11,680
women, children,
bunny rabbits, everybody.
958
00:49:11,714 --> 00:49:13,614
That is textbook genocide.
959
00:49:13,647 --> 00:49:14,890
I see no other way
to describe it.
960
00:49:14,914 --> 00:49:17,380
And then he repopulates
the Earth through incest
961
00:49:17,414 --> 00:49:18,947
for the second time.
962
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:21,580
- We find this highly immoral.
- What do you mean, incest?
963
00:49:21,614 --> 00:49:24,214
If you only have one family,
the only way to repopulate
964
00:49:24,247 --> 00:49:25,647
is having sex
within that family.
965
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,056
They could've had
some other family
966
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,814
on top of the mountains
somewhere.
967
00:49:28,847 --> 00:49:31,314
Noah's family and his kids,
that was it.
968
00:49:31,347 --> 00:49:33,456
And keep in mind, Adam and Eve
was through incest, too,
969
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,990
to populate the Earth
for the first time,
970
00:49:35,014 --> 00:49:37,080
so this is the second story
of incest.
971
00:49:37,114 --> 00:49:40,347
And if you go
to Ken Ham's Creation Museum,
972
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,614
he says, "Incest is okay
because God said so."
973
00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:45,747
Well, if God says okay,
it's okay.
974
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:49,247
No! Killing people
and incest is not okay.
975
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,723
Well, what are you
gonna do about this?
976
00:49:50,747 --> 00:49:53,214
You have two companies,
Event Advertising and Lamar,
977
00:49:53,247 --> 00:49:54,447
that said, "Nah, bubba, nah."
978
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,614
What do you do now?
979
00:49:55,647 --> 00:49:57,180
We went...
a mobile billboard company
980
00:49:57,214 --> 00:49:59,414
reached out to us and said,
"We'll put it up,"
981
00:49:59,447 --> 00:50:01,714
but then recently,
with all the press it's gotten,
982
00:50:01,747 --> 00:50:04,114
he backed out for fear
of his personal safety.
983
00:50:04,147 --> 00:50:05,714
He did not feel safe
driving it around.
984
00:50:05,747 --> 00:50:08,380
So we have $10,000,
and we cannot find a company
985
00:50:08,414 --> 00:50:10,414
in the state of Kentucky
or Cincinnati
986
00:50:10,447 --> 00:50:11,747
willing to take our money.
987
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:14,514
Have you confronted
Ken Ham on this?
988
00:50:14,547 --> 00:50:16,480
Ken Ham has... we have had
989
00:50:16,514 --> 00:50:17,756
a back-and-forth
through Twitter.
990
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:19,047
He has personally called me out
991
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,480
a half-dozen times on Twitter
992
00:50:20,514 --> 00:50:21,714
this morning alone.
993
00:50:21,747 --> 00:50:24,080
He has blogged about us
several times.
994
00:50:24,114 --> 00:50:26,414
So the reason
we call this out is,
995
00:50:26,447 --> 00:50:28,080
it doesn't stop here.
996
00:50:28,114 --> 00:50:29,847
It seeps into our politics.
997
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,880
It seeps into our lawmaking,
and that's why we make a stand.
998
00:50:33,914 --> 00:50:36,047
Well, you're a heathen
that's gonna burn in hell,
999
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,247
and if that's the case,
1000
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,114
I will say a prayer
to get you out.
1001
00:50:39,147 --> 00:50:41,247
If you're lucky,
you'll end up in purgatory,
1002
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,680
in which case, I can help you.
1003
00:50:42,714 --> 00:50:45,214
If you're in hell,
you're beyond my reach.
1004
00:50:45,247 --> 00:50:46,780
Then I'll be in good company.
1005
00:50:46,814 --> 00:50:48,590
There'll be a lot of...
other hell characters
1006
00:50:48,614 --> 00:50:50,680
will be down there,
and you'll be burning,
1007
00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:52,147
and there'll be
a million serpents
1008
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:54,614
biting your legs for eternity.
1009
00:50:54,647 --> 00:50:56,180
See, again,
you're threatening me
1010
00:50:56,214 --> 00:50:57,414
with torture,
1011
00:50:57,447 --> 00:50:59,314
which proves my claim
that that's immoral.
1012
00:50:59,347 --> 00:51:01,614
Just because I require
facts and evidence
1013
00:51:01,647 --> 00:51:03,880
should not be a reason
to torture me forever.
1014
00:51:03,914 --> 00:51:05,614
Well, you're gonna burn in hell.
1015
00:51:05,647 --> 00:51:07,514
- I'm okay with that.
- All right.
1016
00:51:07,547 --> 00:51:09,514
What's your website, if any?
1017
00:51:09,547 --> 00:51:12,480
- Tristatefreethinkers.com.
- All right.
1018
00:51:12,514 --> 00:51:13,780
Well, look, stay in touch.
1019
00:51:13,814 --> 00:51:15,290
- All right. I will.
- God bless you, man.
1020
00:51:15,314 --> 00:51:16,614
Thanks for having me on, Bill.
1021
00:51:16,647 --> 00:51:18,580
Bye.
1022
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,580
How'd I do?
1023
00:51:24,347 --> 00:51:28,414
I'd like to go protest
a protest.
1024
00:51:28,447 --> 00:51:30,847
On July 7th, a group of atheists
1025
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,947
are planning on protesting
the opening of Ken Ham's
1026
00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:36,947
Ark Encounter attraction.
I actually looked...
1027
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:39,214
Ken Ham was getting ready
to be done with the ark,
1028
00:51:39,247 --> 00:51:40,780
and he texted me and said,
1029
00:51:40,814 --> 00:51:42,347
"Hey, I just learned
some atheists
1030
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:43,947
"are gonna be protesting
the opening
1031
00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:45,247
of the Ark Encounter."
1032
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,447
I texted him back and said,
"Man, I would love
1033
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,447
"to be there for that.
1034
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,347
I would have a great time."
1035
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:52,280
So here's the deal.
1036
00:51:52,314 --> 00:51:54,747
I would love for you to help me
get a team of people
1037
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:57,280
that I've assembled
to the Ark Encounter
1038
00:51:57,314 --> 00:52:00,514
so that we can protest
the protest.
1039
00:52:00,547 --> 00:52:02,780
At the end of the day,
what's fun about it is,
1040
00:52:02,814 --> 00:52:04,580
these are people that right now,
1041
00:52:04,614 --> 00:52:06,814
if my worldview is true,
1042
00:52:06,847 --> 00:52:09,214
they're on their way to hell.
1043
00:52:09,247 --> 00:52:11,047
I get the privilege,
I get the joy...
1044
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,480
I'd say more than fun;
it's joy...
1045
00:52:13,514 --> 00:52:15,847
of trying to go
into these storms
1046
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,614
and rescue people and say,
1047
00:52:17,647 --> 00:52:19,180
"Listen, you need the truth."
1048
00:52:19,214 --> 00:52:22,680
By the way, don't tell
the atheists that we're coming.
1049
00:52:22,714 --> 00:52:23,880
My name is Eric Hovind.
1050
00:52:23,914 --> 00:52:25,356
I get the privilege
of traveling around
1051
00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:28,147
and talking about creation
versus evolution and really...
1052
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:32,447
We're seeing a resurgence
of the Creation Movement,
1053
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,280
people realizing science
1054
00:52:34,314 --> 00:52:37,247
doesn't fit
the evolution worldview.
1055
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,847
"Let's go back
and rethink this."
1056
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,290
And so we're seeing
the Creation Movement
1057
00:52:40,314 --> 00:52:42,114
as a whole raise back up.
1058
00:52:42,147 --> 00:52:43,480
The evolution worldview says
1059
00:52:43,514 --> 00:52:45,123
somewhere between 13 billion
and 20 billion years ago,
1060
00:52:45,147 --> 00:52:46,447
there was a big bang.
1061
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,847
The idea that the universe
came into existence...
1062
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,114
Instantaneously is exactly
1063
00:52:51,147 --> 00:52:55,347
what we get out of Genesis 1:1.
1064
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:57,314
So the Bible tells us
that it's our authority,
1065
00:52:57,347 --> 00:52:58,747
and science
is gonna confirm that,
1066
00:52:58,780 --> 00:52:59,856
so I'd like to try
to prove to you...
1067
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,514
So you have this idea
1068
00:53:01,547 --> 00:53:03,447
of a lot of people
believed evolution.
1069
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,790
Some people use that
as an argument.
1070
00:53:04,814 --> 00:53:06,680
"Well, evolution
must be true."
1071
00:53:06,714 --> 00:53:09,514
But majority doesn't determine
right and wrong, you know?
1072
00:53:09,547 --> 00:53:11,014
Jean-Luc Picard
can tell you a lot
1073
00:53:11,047 --> 00:53:12,223
about the Starship
"Enterprise."
1074
00:53:12,247 --> 00:53:14,147
That doesn't make it true.
1075
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:16,414
I know people that can teach me
a lot about evolution,
1076
00:53:16,447 --> 00:53:19,180
and it doesn't make it true.
1077
00:53:19,214 --> 00:53:22,747
The longest wavelength
we see is red.
1078
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:26,114
Well, if God stretched out
the heavens as a curtain,
1079
00:53:26,147 --> 00:53:28,780
we would expect to see
the longer
1080
00:53:28,814 --> 00:53:32,480
of the wavelengths of light,
which is the red of the light,
1081
00:53:32,514 --> 00:53:35,180
and everywhere we look,
guess what we're seeing.
1082
00:53:35,214 --> 00:53:37,747
The red shift in starlight.
1083
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:40,247
The fact that our vice president
1084
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,214
is somebody who believes
in creation,
1085
00:53:43,247 --> 00:53:46,580
I think that leads
just even more credibility
1086
00:53:46,614 --> 00:53:49,114
to the number of people
out there that go,
1087
00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:51,080
"I don't believe this
because I'm ignorant.
1088
00:53:51,114 --> 00:53:52,480
"I've thought this through.
1089
00:53:52,514 --> 00:53:53,980
"I've looked at the information.
1090
00:53:54,014 --> 00:53:57,447
I've concluded
this is the truth."
1091
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,480
And so yeah, I'm excited
that we've got
1092
00:54:00,514 --> 00:54:03,547
lots of elected officials
that hold to this worldview.
1093
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:05,314
Do you believe
in evolution, sir?
1094
00:54:07,214 --> 00:54:09,880
Do I believe in evolution?
1095
00:54:09,914 --> 00:54:14,214
I embrace the view
that God created the heavens
1096
00:54:14,247 --> 00:54:16,547
and the Earth and the seas
and all that's in them, and...
1097
00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:18,056
Right, but do you believe
in evolution
1098
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,180
as the way he did it?
1099
00:54:19,214 --> 00:54:20,314
The means, Chris,
1100
00:54:20,347 --> 00:54:23,214
that he used to do that,
1101
00:54:23,247 --> 00:54:24,480
I can't say.
1102
00:54:24,514 --> 00:54:25,590
But you don't believe that...
1103
00:54:25,614 --> 00:54:27,047
you don't takea fundamentalist view
1104
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,047
of the seven daysof creation, do you?
1105
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,547
- Chris.
- I'm just asking. Do you?
1106
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:35,447
Chris, where are we going
with this? Is it...
1107
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,080
The idea that if even
one part of the Bible
1108
00:54:39,114 --> 00:54:42,880
is not true
that the whole thing crumbles
1109
00:54:42,914 --> 00:54:45,980
is a very difficult piece
of terrain to defend,
1110
00:54:46,014 --> 00:54:48,280
and it seems obvious to me
1111
00:54:48,314 --> 00:54:51,980
that science,
at multiple levels,
1112
00:54:52,014 --> 00:54:55,947
clearly has proven the Earth
is more than 6,000 years old,
1113
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:59,447
and why some folks,
1114
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,814
in the name of their religion,
I assume,
1115
00:55:01,847 --> 00:55:04,780
choose to ignore that
and to cling
1116
00:55:04,814 --> 00:55:07,980
to a religious viewpoint
1117
00:55:08,014 --> 00:55:10,014
that says otherwise
1118
00:55:10,047 --> 00:55:12,980
is not something
I fully understand.
1119
00:55:13,014 --> 00:55:17,714
I never heard anyone say
that Genesis can be inspired,
1120
00:55:17,747 --> 00:55:21,447
can be from God
and not be history,
1121
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,656
that God can give us something
1122
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,080
that's something
other than history.
1123
00:55:25,114 --> 00:55:28,047
That was just not an idea
that was ever presented to me.
1124
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,347
I believe the Bible is true
in what it says in Genesis,
1125
00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:33,114
principally communicating
the idea
1126
00:55:33,147 --> 00:55:35,347
that God created this world,
and I believe this.
1127
00:55:35,380 --> 00:55:37,347
I believe that God has a purpose
1128
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:39,280
and a will for this creation.
1129
00:55:39,314 --> 00:55:42,480
That having been said,
science informs
1130
00:55:42,514 --> 00:55:44,780
how I understand
what that creation is
1131
00:55:44,814 --> 00:55:46,380
and how this planet functions,
1132
00:55:46,414 --> 00:55:49,280
and there have been hundreds
and thousands of years
1133
00:55:49,314 --> 00:55:52,280
of project...
of progress in human thought
1134
00:55:52,314 --> 00:55:54,614
since that time that help us
to better understand
1135
00:55:54,647 --> 00:55:56,014
the world that God has made,
1136
00:55:56,047 --> 00:56:00,480
And I welcome that aid
in understanding God's world.
1137
00:56:00,514 --> 00:56:02,480
It's like there's a little
voice in your head
1138
00:56:02,514 --> 00:56:04,580
that closes the door
whenever you see evidence
1139
00:56:04,614 --> 00:56:06,680
that doesn't fit your beliefs
and then opens it
1140
00:56:06,714 --> 00:56:08,847
whenever you see evidence
that you can make fit,
1141
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,447
and that's something that,
1142
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,347
you know, every creationist had,
1143
00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:14,223
a little guy in their head
saying, "Wait, nope, stop.
1144
00:56:14,247 --> 00:56:15,523
Don't listen.
Don't look at that,"
1145
00:56:15,547 --> 00:56:17,214
and, "Wait,
we can accept this."
1146
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:21,814
I was also debating anyone
who would
1147
00:56:21,847 --> 00:56:23,980
pay attention to me
whenever I got the chance.
1148
00:56:24,014 --> 00:56:28,247
You know, online, I would find
some poor scientist
1149
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,847
and be like,
"All right, let me tell you,"
1150
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,814
and so I would debate
everybody I could,
1151
00:56:32,847 --> 00:56:34,847
and then they would come back
with really clear,
1152
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,223
obvious answers
to what I was saying,
1153
00:56:36,247 --> 00:56:37,956
and I would say,
"Hold on, let me go consult
1154
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:40,214
"my Answers in Genesis material.
1155
00:56:40,247 --> 00:56:41,514
Oh, there's the answer,"
1156
00:56:41,547 --> 00:56:43,514
and then I would come back
with that, you know,
1157
00:56:43,547 --> 00:56:45,290
'cause they have answers...
they have a lot of answers.
1158
00:56:45,314 --> 00:56:47,074
That's what they call it,
Answers in Genesis.
1159
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,380
So we have all these
different DVDs,
1160
00:56:52,414 --> 00:56:54,747
and if you stop to read
all the different titles,
1161
00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:57,414
I mean, it's on so manydifferent subjects,
1162
00:56:57,447 --> 00:56:59,014
anywhere frombiblical authority
1163
00:56:59,047 --> 00:57:01,314
to how is Genesis
relevantin our culture today
1164
00:57:01,347 --> 00:57:04,280
to what about geology,
and what about the ape men,
1165
00:57:04,314 --> 00:57:06,614
and how do you explaindinosaurs,
so forth and so on,
1166
00:57:06,647 --> 00:57:09,380
so it's literallyjust the whole gamut
1167
00:57:09,414 --> 00:57:12,714
related to science fieldsand
biblical authority issues.
1168
00:57:12,747 --> 00:57:14,047
A lot of people love dinosaurs,
1169
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,214
and kids love dinosaurs.
1170
00:57:15,247 --> 00:57:17,580
This is one of our
most popular books,
1171
00:57:17,614 --> 00:57:20,480
"Dinosaurs of Eden"
from Ken Ham,
1172
00:57:20,514 --> 00:57:24,314
and so books like this
that walk through
1173
00:57:24,347 --> 00:57:27,614
with really good artwork,
and this has got
1174
00:57:27,647 --> 00:57:30,480
some up-to-date
scientific information in it
1175
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:31,814
to help the kids understand
1176
00:57:31,847 --> 00:57:33,947
all about dinosaurs and things.
1177
00:57:33,980 --> 00:57:37,314
Yeah, there are surely
tens of thousands of families
1178
00:57:37,347 --> 00:57:40,714
around the country
using our different resources.
1179
00:57:40,747 --> 00:57:45,347
Knowing that it's going out
and influencing people is...
1180
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:47,847
It brings me great joy.
1181
00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:02,680
This event is called
1182
00:58:02,714 --> 00:58:05,080
the International Conference
of Creationism.
1183
00:58:05,114 --> 00:58:06,980
We believe in the authority
of the Bible.
1184
00:58:07,014 --> 00:58:10,180
We believe that the biblical
account in Genesis
1185
00:58:10,214 --> 00:58:15,214
is historically
and scientifically accurate.
1186
00:58:15,247 --> 00:58:17,280
We present various papers.
1187
00:58:17,314 --> 00:58:18,880
It's only creation
that's presented.
1188
00:58:18,914 --> 00:58:21,247
It's only creation
that is promoted
1189
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,947
as opposed to other
scientific organizations
1190
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:25,547
would really promote
only evolution.
1191
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:28,280
Well, this is the creationist
version of that.
1192
00:58:28,314 --> 00:58:31,380
The growth had to take
over a period of time.
1193
00:58:31,414 --> 00:58:33,647
The audience is being snowed.
1194
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,480
I mean, it looks like science,
and unfortunately it isn't.
1195
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:40,080
It's a parody, almost,
of science.
1196
00:58:40,114 --> 00:58:43,514
Answers in Genesis puts
these things on their website
1197
00:58:43,547 --> 00:58:46,080
they claim
are scientific papers,
1198
00:58:46,114 --> 00:58:49,780
and they can range from
very densely written things
1199
00:58:49,814 --> 00:58:54,614
to things that invoke miracles
and all sorts of other stuff.
1200
00:58:54,647 --> 00:58:55,947
Grass bank from...
1201
00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:58,014
There are people with degrees,
1202
00:58:58,047 --> 00:58:59,347
but a degree basically means
1203
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:01,314
that you're capable
of doing science.
1204
00:59:01,347 --> 00:59:03,680
It doesn't mean
that you're a scientist.
1205
00:59:03,714 --> 00:59:04,923
We know that
from modern landslides...
1206
00:59:04,947 --> 00:59:06,147
You basically have to agree
1207
00:59:06,180 --> 00:59:07,914
that the Earth
is 6,000 years old,
1208
00:59:07,947 --> 00:59:09,747
that Noah's flood
was a real event,
1209
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:11,780
do all these different things
before you could
1210
00:59:11,814 --> 00:59:12,856
even publish a thing in their
1211
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,247
supposedly scientific journal.
1212
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,814
So your conclusions are,
you know, foreordained.
1213
00:59:18,847 --> 00:59:21,147
It pretty much kills
the scientific method
1214
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:22,914
before it even starts.
1215
00:59:54,814 --> 00:59:58,480
And we can start handing
animals out by hand.
1216
01:00:27,814 --> 01:00:29,647
Awesome.
1217
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,147
That would be perfect.
1218
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,080
You know, driving by this
when I was growing up,
1219
01:01:02,114 --> 01:01:03,490
it was always,"Okay, all those layers
1220
01:01:03,514 --> 01:01:04,547
"came from Noah's flood.
1221
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:06,647
All those layersare about the same age."
1222
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,947
But actually getting out
and taking a closer look,
1223
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:12,914
it's not quite so easy
to think that.
1224
01:01:12,947 --> 01:01:15,647
You see stuff
that's really fine-grained.
1225
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,314
- Oh, wow.
- See the laminations there?
1226
01:01:17,347 --> 01:01:19,514
Yeah, you can just... you
can barely even see that.
1227
01:01:19,547 --> 01:01:20,514
It's like it's painted on.
1228
01:01:20,547 --> 01:01:21,690
So things there were probably
1229
01:01:21,714 --> 01:01:23,414
deposited really slowly.
1230
01:01:23,447 --> 01:01:24,623
Then there might have been
another storm
1231
01:01:24,647 --> 01:01:26,280
and layer after layer of just...
1232
01:01:26,314 --> 01:01:27,280
Gotcha.
1233
01:01:27,314 --> 01:01:28,780
It's so inconsistentwith anything
1234
01:01:28,814 --> 01:01:30,014
the creationists are claiming
1235
01:01:30,047 --> 01:01:31,647
about the natureof the rock record.
1236
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,247
- Yeah.
- Oh, yeah.
1237
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,647
Actually,
this pieceis actually better on there.
1238
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,414
I know that there were
definitely a lot of concerns
1239
01:01:39,447 --> 01:01:42,180
about me when I was... first
started writing this stuff.
1240
01:01:43,647 --> 01:01:45,780
I surprised a lot of people,
alarmed a lot of people.
1241
01:01:47,247 --> 01:01:50,014
Well, he probably...
a lot of his family
1242
01:01:50,047 --> 01:01:54,747
was invested in supporting
the Creation Museum,
1243
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:56,447
and sometimes to turn against
1244
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,047
What your family believes
can be heartrending.
1245
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,080
It's... I'm running the risk
of really... you know,
1246
01:02:03,114 --> 01:02:05,547
really upsetting people
I care about.
1247
01:02:07,414 --> 01:02:09,947
I kind of feel like,
"Oh, if I can just explain
1248
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:12,547
why and how and all this stuff,"
1249
01:02:12,580 --> 01:02:14,480
but explaining
doesn't always work.
1250
01:02:14,514 --> 01:02:16,947
It takes guts to go after
1251
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:19,980
something you've been
raised with.
1252
01:02:20,014 --> 01:02:21,547
It's been difficult.
1253
01:02:25,347 --> 01:02:26,787
A lot of people have asked,
you know,
1254
01:02:26,814 --> 01:02:28,147
when I've been talking
about this,
1255
01:02:28,180 --> 01:02:31,047
was there a time
that I kind of switched from,
1256
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,647
you know, I was believing
one thing, and then I wasn't?
1257
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,147
It was definitely a lot
of successive steps,
1258
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:41,614
a lot of small, you know,
gradual things,
1259
01:02:41,647 --> 01:02:43,847
learning,
"Oh, I was wrong about this.
1260
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,947
That's not quite
how it works."
1261
01:02:48,414 --> 01:02:50,114
And there was one day
that I was at work
1262
01:02:50,147 --> 01:02:53,680
and on my lunch break
reading about astronomy stuff
1263
01:02:53,714 --> 01:02:56,847
and galaxies
and reading about discoveries.
1264
01:02:58,780 --> 01:03:01,847
I saw an image of a galaxy
1265
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,814
that was running into the center
1266
01:03:03,847 --> 01:03:05,480
of a galaxy cluster.
1267
01:03:07,814 --> 01:03:10,080
There was a trail of hot gas
1268
01:03:10,114 --> 01:03:14,247
coming out from behind
this galaxy,
1269
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,080
200,000, 300,000 light-years.
1270
01:03:19,780 --> 01:03:22,614
Basically footprints in the sky
1271
01:03:22,647 --> 01:03:25,814
with paths that go
way, way, way farther
1272
01:03:25,847 --> 01:03:28,447
than anything could move
in 6,000 years.
1273
01:03:32,414 --> 01:03:36,780
And just seeing that
and seeing, wait,
1274
01:03:36,814 --> 01:03:38,714
if something can traverse,
you know,
1275
01:03:38,747 --> 01:03:41,180
200,000 light-years of space,
1276
01:03:41,214 --> 01:03:43,180
they can't be 6,000 years old.
1277
01:03:43,214 --> 01:03:45,014
It just can't work.
1278
01:03:47,647 --> 01:03:49,280
I realized at that point
that yeah,
1279
01:03:49,314 --> 01:03:51,014
I don't believe this anymore.
1280
01:03:51,047 --> 01:03:52,580
I can't believe this anymore.
1281
01:03:55,514 --> 01:03:58,480
And so I was able
to look at the universe
1282
01:03:58,514 --> 01:04:00,347
and hear what it was saying.
1283
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,547
This is a new world.
1284
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:08,314
It's a different...
it's a different world
1285
01:04:08,347 --> 01:04:09,947
than I thought it was.
1286
01:05:12,947 --> 01:05:15,814
- Morning.
- Morning.
1287
01:05:15,847 --> 01:05:18,180
I just wanted to touch
basebefore it gets a little...
1288
01:05:18,214 --> 01:05:19,556
- Yeah, before it starts...
- Little busy.
1289
01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:20,880
- It hits the fan, yeah.
- Yeah.
1290
01:05:20,914 --> 01:05:23,480
What's this I'm hearing
about an anti-protester?
1291
01:05:23,514 --> 01:05:25,180
Yes, Eric Hovind,
1292
01:05:25,214 --> 01:05:28,280
I believe is his name,
coming up from Florida.
1293
01:05:28,314 --> 01:05:30,980
He's... Ken Ham, I guess,
personally texted him and said,
1294
01:05:31,014 --> 01:05:32,180
"They're protesting.
1295
01:05:32,214 --> 01:05:33,823
You should come up hereand counterprotest."
1296
01:05:33,847 --> 01:05:35,514
So we just wantedto make you aware,
1297
01:05:35,547 --> 01:05:37,647
if there's an issue,
we'll just let you know.
1298
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:38,680
- Okay.
- Okay.
1299
01:05:38,714 --> 01:05:40,780
- So about 150 people.
- Yeah.
1300
01:05:40,814 --> 01:05:42,323
All right, just try to keep
everybody safe, okay?
1301
01:05:42,347 --> 01:05:43,647
- We will.
- Yeah, absolutely.
1302
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,190
You know, as long as
nothing's confrontational,
1303
01:05:45,214 --> 01:05:46,790
we're good, you know,
as long as you guys
1304
01:05:46,814 --> 01:05:48,147
are, you know, doing your thing.
1305
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:50,147
- Have a good one, guys.
- All right, thank you.
1306
01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:02,614
All the kinds,
so he made each kind,
1307
01:06:02,647 --> 01:06:06,014
and each kind of land animal
was represented on Noah's ark,
1308
01:06:06,047 --> 01:06:09,814
so what we today call dinosaurs
were represented on the ark.
1309
01:06:09,847 --> 01:06:12,147
It seems people haven't been
given these answers.
1310
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:13,856
They haven't been
taught genetics correctly,
1311
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,414
haven't been taught
about speciation
1312
01:06:15,447 --> 01:06:17,080
and natural selection correctly.
1313
01:06:17,114 --> 01:06:18,947
We're gonna correct that in here
1314
01:06:18,980 --> 01:06:22,647
and undo the brainwashing
that's occurred through...
1315
01:06:26,247 --> 01:06:27,714
And I encourage you,
when you come
1316
01:06:27,747 --> 01:06:32,080
to Answers in Genesis,
talk to our PhD scientists.
1317
01:06:32,114 --> 01:06:33,856
You might not understand
what they're saying,
1318
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,614
but talk to them.
1319
01:06:37,847 --> 01:06:38,990
What's really going on here,
1320
01:06:39,014 --> 01:06:42,414
so we're excited
about what God is doing
1321
01:06:42,447 --> 01:06:44,647
and how the truth
will be presented today.
1322
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,080
It's gonna be fantastic.
1323
01:06:48,814 --> 01:06:49,880
Okay.
1324
01:06:51,447 --> 01:06:52,514
Okay.
1325
01:06:54,847 --> 01:06:56,280
Okay.
1326
01:06:56,314 --> 01:06:58,347
- This is gonna be fantastic.
- I'm not being...
1327
01:06:58,380 --> 01:06:59,756
I'm just making surewe're
all on the same page.
1328
01:06:59,780 --> 01:07:01,247
We are gonna correct you guys
1329
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,023
on some of the misstatements
you guys are making right now.
1330
01:07:03,047 --> 01:07:04,214
Well, good luck with that.
1331
01:07:04,247 --> 01:07:05,490
I'll give you timeto get
set up and everything,
1332
01:07:05,514 --> 01:07:07,456
and as long as we're allin agreement,
we'll be fine.
1333
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:08,890
- Let's go!
- We'll work with you all.
1334
01:07:08,914 --> 01:07:10,390
Long as you guys agree
with me, we'll be great.
1335
01:07:10,414 --> 01:07:13,647
We are actually here
all about science and reason.
1336
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,547
The ark was built
with science and reason.
1337
01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:18,447
Look at what
a magnificent structure it is.
1338
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,380
Disneyland quality,
1339
01:07:20,414 --> 01:07:22,814
some of the very best stuff
that's ever been built.
1340
01:07:22,847 --> 01:07:24,614
I think the atheists
should be proud and say,
1341
01:07:24,647 --> 01:07:25,780
"Christians, I can't believe
1342
01:07:25,814 --> 01:07:27,380
"you've used science and reason
1343
01:07:27,414 --> 01:07:28,814
so well."
1344
01:07:28,847 --> 01:07:30,556
- Let's not engage them.
- Let's not talk to them.
1345
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:32,114
Let's have zero conversation
with them.
1346
01:07:32,147 --> 01:07:34,880
But what I want you to do
is stand in front of the sign
1347
01:07:34,914 --> 01:07:37,514
and the back of the sign
for every sign they have.
1348
01:07:37,547 --> 01:07:39,114
I would preferif they go over there
1349
01:07:39,147 --> 01:07:41,380
so we're less likelyto have confrontations.
1350
01:07:41,414 --> 01:07:42,447
See, I don't...
1351
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,580
- Yes.
- Okay.
1352
01:07:45,614 --> 01:07:47,380
Thank you.
1353
01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:58,547
No, I... this is me.
1354
01:07:58,580 --> 01:08:00,814
- I made all these signs myself.
- I'm just saying...
1355
01:08:00,847 --> 01:08:03,214
I haven't asked people
to come at all.
1356
01:08:03,247 --> 01:08:04,847
I'm telling you,
I have not asked anybody
1357
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,380
to show up here at all.
1358
01:08:32,147 --> 01:08:33,547
Thank you.
1359
01:08:33,580 --> 01:08:36,080
Gonna be a little different
than what you might be,
1360
01:08:36,114 --> 01:08:39,914
say, in church
or at some special meeting.
1361
01:08:39,947 --> 01:08:42,947
Normally I know you're told
to turn your cell phones,
1362
01:08:42,980 --> 01:08:44,980
your smartphones off,
1363
01:08:45,014 --> 01:08:48,280
put them in your pocket,
turn them on to vibrate.
1364
01:08:49,114 --> 01:08:51,880
I want you to make sure
they're on.
1365
01:08:51,914 --> 01:08:54,580
We want you to tweet.
We want you to blog.
1366
01:08:54,614 --> 01:08:56,614
We want you to post,
1367
01:08:56,647 --> 01:08:59,580
because we want
7 billion people to come here.
1368
01:09:01,714 --> 01:09:06,314
43,000 families or individuals
1369
01:09:06,347 --> 01:09:11,947
that gave 123,000 gifts,
that's you.
1370
01:09:11,980 --> 01:09:13,714
Thank you for being
a part of this ministry.
1371
01:09:18,980 --> 01:09:21,214
Mary Kay's on her way.
1372
01:09:21,247 --> 01:09:22,547
This park tells people
1373
01:09:22,580 --> 01:09:24,814
that evolution is not true,
science isn't true,
1374
01:09:24,847 --> 01:09:26,123
the Earth is only
6,000 years old.
1375
01:09:26,147 --> 01:09:28,847
This is ridiculous,
but keep in mind,
1376
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,180
we didn't build a park
based on genocide and incest.
1377
01:09:31,214 --> 01:09:34,780
We're just advertising for 'em
and calling it what it is,
1378
01:09:34,814 --> 01:09:36,880
and now we've changed
the conversation.
1379
01:09:36,914 --> 01:09:38,780
Actually, we do know
that it never happened.
1380
01:09:38,814 --> 01:09:40,647
No, we know that itactually did happen.
1381
01:09:44,714 --> 01:09:46,290
Okay, do you realizethat you're being...
1382
01:09:46,314 --> 01:09:47,580
♪ Tax break there
1383
01:09:47,614 --> 01:09:49,147
♪ Here a break, there a break
1384
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:50,647
♪ Everywhere a tax break
1385
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,214
♪ Ark Encounter is a scam
1386
01:09:54,247 --> 01:09:56,114
♪ E-I-E-I-O
1387
01:09:56,147 --> 01:09:57,747
Parking on the right.
1388
01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:02,180
They killed all the babies
and the animals.
1389
01:10:02,214 --> 01:10:05,114
Should we bring everybody...
1390
01:10:05,147 --> 01:10:07,114
♪ Hey, hey, hey
1391
01:10:07,147 --> 01:10:08,614
♪ Good-bye
1392
01:10:08,647 --> 01:10:11,247
♪ Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na
1393
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,747
Did he know?
1394
01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:16,114
♪ Hey, hey, hey, good-bye
1395
01:10:18,414 --> 01:10:21,047
At this time,
on behalf of the city
1396
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,247
of Williamstown
and the state of Kentucky,
1397
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,747
I would like to officially
declare the Ark Encounter open.
1398
01:10:59,580 --> 01:11:02,447
The visual impact
of a structure like this
1399
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:03,614
is just crazy.
1400
01:11:03,647 --> 01:11:05,314
It's astounding.
1401
01:11:05,347 --> 01:11:07,780
I'm really, really excited.
1402
01:11:07,814 --> 01:11:10,047
I don't want to be, but I am.
1403
01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:21,414
It's just insane
how big this thing is.
1404
01:11:21,447 --> 01:11:25,714
It's... it's... really,
really, really big. It's...
1405
01:11:56,847 --> 01:11:58,180
You know, so there's
a part of me
1406
01:11:58,214 --> 01:12:00,980
that's just super thrilled
that it's here
1407
01:12:01,014 --> 01:12:03,047
just because
it's really cool to see...
1408
01:12:04,947 --> 01:12:09,614
Even if it can be a little bit
frustrating to think about.
1409
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:24,514
It's just massive.
1410
01:12:24,547 --> 01:12:26,447
There's no denying that.
1411
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,080
Oh.
1412
01:12:34,114 --> 01:12:36,354
You know, this might be some
people's definition of hell.
1413
01:12:38,114 --> 01:12:41,014
I've never smoked marijuana,
1414
01:12:41,047 --> 01:12:43,947
but if somebody offered me
a hit of acid right now,
1415
01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:46,414
I think I'd take it.
1416
01:12:53,014 --> 01:12:55,814
Who knew that Adam and Eve
sacrificed dinosaurs?
1417
01:12:55,847 --> 01:12:57,380
Look at that.
1418
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:30,447
Creationists have been
pretty vocal.
1419
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,247
And they're gonna continue
to have dinosaurs.
1420
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,380
They're going to have
flashy exhibits.
1421
01:13:35,414 --> 01:13:37,214
They're gonna build new museums,
1422
01:13:37,247 --> 01:13:38,490
and they're really
gonna try hard
1423
01:13:38,514 --> 01:13:40,714
to leverage everything they can.
1424
01:13:46,514 --> 01:13:50,947
I think these are the same...
the T. rex kind.
1425
01:13:56,147 --> 01:13:57,880
It's a little racy in here.
1426
01:14:48,714 --> 01:14:51,014
- They had underwear.
- Yeah.
1427
01:15:03,547 --> 01:15:06,647
I can say positively
that the building's nice.
1428
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,547
It was beautifully constructed.
1429
01:15:10,014 --> 01:15:12,047
As far as the content,
however, of course,
1430
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,447
I have a much more
negative view.
1431
01:15:16,014 --> 01:15:19,014
I even hate to say
bad science or pseudoscience.
1432
01:15:19,047 --> 01:15:20,714
The anti-science and non-science
1433
01:15:20,747 --> 01:15:24,714
that's depicting the age
of the Earth and universe,
1434
01:15:24,747 --> 01:15:27,580
claiming that all the world's
sedimentary geology
1435
01:15:27,614 --> 01:15:29,880
is the result of Noah's flood,
1436
01:15:29,914 --> 01:15:31,014
the pieces of evidence
1437
01:15:31,047 --> 01:15:32,747
that they try to use for that
1438
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:34,514
are really, really bad.
1439
01:15:34,547 --> 01:15:36,914
They've been debunked for years.
1440
01:15:36,947 --> 01:15:38,180
It's bull.
1441
01:15:38,214 --> 01:15:40,747
I mean, there's just not
a fair word to...
1442
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:42,447
scientific word to describe it.
1443
01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:21,314
What's it meant
for downtown Williamstown?
1444
01:17:21,347 --> 01:17:22,314
Nothing.
1445
01:17:22,347 --> 01:17:23,514
I was one of these believers
1446
01:17:23,547 --> 01:17:24,823
that when the ark came,
it would just...
1447
01:17:24,847 --> 01:17:26,747
everything was gonna come in.
1448
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:28,580
Been here...
it's not done it, Joe.
1449
01:17:28,614 --> 01:17:30,280
It's not done it.
1450
01:17:30,314 --> 01:17:32,680
I think the ark's done well.
1451
01:17:32,714 --> 01:17:34,114
And I'm glad for them on that,
1452
01:17:34,147 --> 01:17:36,780
but it's not done us
good at all.
1453
01:17:37,614 --> 01:17:39,880
And I was very direct
with him, you know.
1454
01:17:39,914 --> 01:17:42,347
When somebody asks me
if we're getting
1455
01:17:42,380 --> 01:17:45,214
any taxes from it,
I can't lie about it, you know?
1456
01:17:47,914 --> 01:17:49,147
Yeah.
1457
01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:51,847
It wasn't the friendliest
letter in the world.
1458
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,847
He just was
a little upset with me,
1459
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,456
and I agree with him
I should promote it,
1460
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,247
but, you know, I just...
and I do!
1461
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,814
But he didn't like what I said
about a couple things,
1462
01:18:01,847 --> 01:18:04,414
you know, and I hate it
that he was angry.
1463
01:18:04,447 --> 01:18:05,980
Well, I wouldn't say
he was real angry,
1464
01:18:06,014 --> 01:18:09,180
but he was pretty...
1465
01:18:09,214 --> 01:18:10,280
straightforward.
1466
01:18:11,914 --> 01:18:13,214
Well, let me tell you something.
1467
01:18:13,247 --> 01:18:15,780
Nobody in the ark's
coming into town.
1468
01:18:15,814 --> 01:18:19,380
Very... maybe eight cars a day,
1469
01:18:19,414 --> 01:18:21,447
and then they drive through,
and they just,
1470
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:22,647
"There's nothing here."
1471
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,880
I hate it too,
1472
01:18:23,914 --> 01:18:25,754
'cause this used to be
a wonderful little town.
1473
01:18:29,614 --> 01:18:33,914
My hope is that
it is successful, really.
1474
01:18:33,947 --> 01:18:35,323
We're hoping some restaurants
will come in here,
1475
01:18:35,347 --> 01:18:36,914
but we don't...
I haven't heard anybody
1476
01:18:36,947 --> 01:18:38,814
or anything coming in right now
1477
01:18:38,847 --> 01:18:39,880
to Williamstown.
1478
01:18:42,847 --> 01:18:44,914
I was just as much shocked
as you, and I...
1479
01:18:44,947 --> 01:18:46,356
when it closed, I didn't know
it was gonna close,
1480
01:18:46,380 --> 01:18:49,247
even though I knew
they weren't doing well.
1481
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,014
And I know he thought this was
gonna be the new Gatlinburg.
1482
01:18:53,114 --> 01:18:55,180
It's a shame.
1483
01:18:55,214 --> 01:18:56,780
"Well, of course
it's in Kentucky,
1484
01:18:56,814 --> 01:18:58,556
"'cause they're a bunch
of religious zealots,"
1485
01:18:58,580 --> 01:19:00,020
or, "They're part
of the Bible Belt."
1486
01:19:00,047 --> 01:19:01,223
You know,
those kind of comments,
1487
01:19:01,247 --> 01:19:03,314
I think
those are generalizations
1488
01:19:03,347 --> 01:19:05,314
that are very unfair.
1489
01:19:06,214 --> 01:19:07,647
I've had people say,
1490
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,914
"Well, do you believe
the theory about the dinosaurs?
1491
01:19:09,947 --> 01:19:12,414
Do you believe, you know,
how old the Earth is?"
1492
01:19:12,447 --> 01:19:15,114
and I said, "I'm not gonna
address any of that.
1493
01:19:15,147 --> 01:19:17,580
"Religion is a personal choice.
1494
01:19:17,614 --> 01:19:20,514
"It is a... it is the way
you view the world.
1495
01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,580
It is"... you know,
I don't know how to explain
1496
01:19:22,614 --> 01:19:24,447
faith to somebody.
1497
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,014
It is the thing
that is hoped for and unseen.
1498
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,947
But again, when you're talking
about the ark itself,
1499
01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:37,380
as a community,
we have to put that aside,
1500
01:19:37,414 --> 01:19:40,814
and it comes down to,
we are home to the ark.
1501
01:19:40,847 --> 01:19:42,280
It is a business,
1502
01:19:42,314 --> 01:19:45,280
it is an attraction,
and it is bringing people here,
1503
01:19:45,314 --> 01:19:47,147
so we have to capitalize on that
1504
01:19:47,180 --> 01:19:49,914
if we want to move forward
and grow and be successful,
1505
01:19:49,947 --> 01:19:52,547
and I am very optimistic
that we can do those things.
1506
01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:56,614
Time is what it's gonna take.
1507
01:20:07,114 --> 01:20:10,580
I've lost the sense
that I have to be right.
1508
01:20:10,614 --> 01:20:13,414
I've lost the obligation
to always be correct
1509
01:20:13,447 --> 01:20:15,647
and always be this authority.
1510
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,280
I've lost that sense
of obligation and that hunger
1511
01:20:19,314 --> 01:20:20,814
that I have to know everything,
1512
01:20:20,847 --> 01:20:22,547
or otherwise,
everything's gonna crumble.
1513
01:20:25,714 --> 01:20:27,323
I would definitely
be interested in writing
1514
01:20:27,347 --> 01:20:29,880
about how the current
political climate
1515
01:20:29,914 --> 01:20:32,947
has changed the way
we look at creationism.
1516
01:20:34,014 --> 01:20:35,654
These things are being
turned into policy,
1517
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,614
and we're seeing that impact,
and I'm really worried
1518
01:20:38,647 --> 01:20:40,714
about what that impact
is going to be.
1519
01:20:49,014 --> 01:20:50,347
No.
1520
01:20:50,380 --> 01:20:52,814
I can't say
I miss Kentucky much.
1521
01:20:55,747 --> 01:20:58,347
Yeah, the ark has been
good for business.
1522
01:20:58,380 --> 01:21:00,447
That is an understatement.
1523
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,847
The attendance here has doubled.
1524
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,280
Yeah.
1525
01:21:04,314 --> 01:21:08,114
Yeah, we're actually doubling
our leach beds and our sewage
1526
01:21:08,147 --> 01:21:10,514
and all that stuff on property
because of it.
1527
01:21:10,547 --> 01:21:12,014
We have no choice.
1528
01:21:12,047 --> 01:21:16,114
Since this is so much
of the biblical history,
1529
01:21:16,147 --> 01:21:19,480
there's only a little bit
of evidence.
1530
01:21:19,514 --> 01:21:21,414
There's only a little bit
of fossil stuff.
1531
01:21:21,447 --> 01:21:23,414
There's only a little bit
of that kind of stuff,
1532
01:21:23,447 --> 01:21:26,114
so what we want to do is put
another museum over there
1533
01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:28,547
that really focuses on evidence.
1534
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:31,414
We own 50 acres here,
so we've got room to grow.
1535
01:21:38,447 --> 01:21:40,647
Ham is more complex
than people realize.
1536
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:46,647
I think that he has
a business ability about him,
1537
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,380
that he's a good propagandist.
1538
01:21:50,047 --> 01:21:51,614
He's a wonderful propagandist.
1539
01:21:51,647 --> 01:21:53,580
He holds
the whole thing together.
1540
01:21:53,614 --> 01:21:56,214
Within a few years,
he had the Creation Museum
1541
01:21:56,247 --> 01:21:58,080
and eventually
had the ark planned.
1542
01:22:02,847 --> 01:22:04,647
Like I've said before,
I sort of feel like
1543
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,147
I've failed, basically,
fighting this.
1544
01:22:08,180 --> 01:22:11,180
My goal was to make sure
1545
01:22:11,214 --> 01:22:13,847
that they didn't get
the tax incentive money.
1546
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,347
I feel I lost major on that.
1547
01:22:18,914 --> 01:22:21,147
It was just something
that I put a lot of time in,
1548
01:22:21,180 --> 01:22:22,980
and it just didn't work out.
1549
01:22:23,014 --> 01:22:25,080
You can't have
everything work out.
1550
01:22:25,114 --> 01:22:26,547
I remember,
when I was a little kid,
1551
01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:30,214
my dad took me downtown
without letting my mother know,
1552
01:22:30,247 --> 01:22:32,080
and we watched
the movie "Patton."
1553
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,423
And I'll never forget
the opening scenes
1554
01:22:35,447 --> 01:22:37,847
where Patton's talking
to the troops and saying,
1555
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,623
"Someday you're gonna have
your grandkids ask you,
1556
01:22:39,647 --> 01:22:41,647
"'What did you do in the war?'
1557
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,480
"And are you gonna tell them
that you shoveled
1558
01:22:43,514 --> 01:22:44,647
"in New Orleans
1559
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,580
or you actually went out
and fought?"
1560
01:22:48,314 --> 01:22:52,047
And you can say, "Well,
I posted stuff to Facebook,"
1561
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,047
or you can say, you know,
"I actually went out
1562
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,480
and at least tried
to do something."
1563
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,947
And I think at least...
at least I tried.
1564
01:23:05,114 --> 01:23:07,447
Now, here's another
exciting part of the project.
1565
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:11,014
Rebuilding Noah's ark,
that's only phase one.
1566
01:23:11,047 --> 01:23:12,847
We have other phases
planned as well.
1567
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,547
We've master-planned an entire
park to go with Noah's ark.
1568
01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:19,880
We have, for instance,
a petting zoo,
1569
01:23:19,914 --> 01:23:22,214
a stage for live
animal programs,
1570
01:23:22,247 --> 01:23:23,614
a children's area,
1571
01:23:23,647 --> 01:23:25,814
a Tower of Babel
with a 5-D theater,
1572
01:23:25,847 --> 01:23:27,814
a ride through
the plagues of Egypt,
1573
01:23:27,847 --> 01:23:30,947
first-century village,
drama theaters...
1574
01:23:50,780 --> 01:23:52,780
This comes
from a politico.com reader
1575
01:23:52,814 --> 01:23:54,480
and was among
the top vote-getters
1576
01:23:54,514 --> 01:23:55,847
in our early rounds.
1577
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,880
They want a yes or no.
Do you believe in evolution?
1578
01:23:58,914 --> 01:24:00,780
- Yes.
- I'm curious.
1579
01:24:00,814 --> 01:24:02,947
Is there anybody on the stage
that does not agree...
1580
01:24:02,980 --> 01:24:05,447
believe in evolution?
1581
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:09,747
I personally believe
that this theory
1582
01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:12,747
that Darwin came up with
1583
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:16,647
was something
that was encouraged
1584
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,780
by the adversary.
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