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Deep in the heart of Kentucky,

a man is building an ark.

He doesn't think he's the new Noah,

but he does think the Bible story

may in fact be factual,

and he wants to open a theme park to make the case.

The $100-million ark is expected to draw

about 1.4 million people a year.

Folks here in Williamstown say the ark

is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

That would be incredible to go see.

There's gonna be scientists on-site to talk with folk

about what Noah's ark is all about.

- This is monumental. - It's huge.

It's... oh, my goodness!

Did man and dinosaurs live together?

Folks in awe.

When finished, his ark will be

seven stories tall

and a football field and a half long.

Kentucky's tourism department

has awarded $18 million in tax breaks

for a biblical theme park.

If they want to set up the Noah's ark theme park,

that's all fine; I'm all happy with that.

Let them use their own money.

People get off the interstate

to come to the Ark Encounter,

they're going to encounter this first.

♪ Hey, hey, hey, good-bye

Ark Encounter is immoral, impossible, and un-American.

There's all kinds of stuff in there

that's not in the Bible.

The Ark Encounter is a project

which ultimately will entail 800 acres,

and it's a 510-feet-long ship set 12 feet off the ground,

and it's gonna be about 65 feet

if you're standing on the top of it.

A great lasting ability to be able to really introduce people

to biblical truth and biblical history, so yeah,

I would ultimately say this is gonna be the greatest thing

I will have ever had a chance to do.

This first phase is something like $57 million.

The whole park itself is somewhere around $160 million.

People will enter it from behind here.

All of the queue lines that we have

are all teaching queue lines,

so basically you're really kind of learning

about the preflood culture as you walk along,

really starting all the way from Adam

and the beginning of creation.

So the ark is just one huge museum,

the way that it functions.

- Check one. Check two. - Check, check.

I'm speaking, I think... Oh.

On the relevance... I'm pretty sure.

I do one of two talks usually,

but I'm pretty sure it's on the relevance of Genesis,

so kind of focusing on how that's relevant

in our culture today

and young people leaving the church.

Well, it's a pleasure to be here with you this afternoon

and to talk with you about creation versus evolution.

Is Genesis relevant?

And what we're gonna talk about is...

We live in a very visual society,

and we want to be able to bring that same level

that you see, for example, at the Smithsonian

but without the evolutionary indoctrination,

the evolutionary fairy tale, so to speak.

We need to educate our children from a very young age

about the truthfulness and authority of God's word

because they are hearing all of this stuff out there

in the world about dinosaurs and millions of years

and evolution and being...

We know from scripture that if you

look at the genealogies, especially those

in Genesis chapter 5 and 11,

it tells the names of people,

how old they were when they died.

So we can actually add those ages up,

and if you go from Adam to Abraham,

you'll see there's about 2,000 years,

and from other genealogies,

we know there's about 2,000 years

between Abraham and Christ,

and then we, of course, know

there's about 2,000 years

between Christ and today.

So that gives us a grand total of 6,000 years.

It's only 6,000 years,

not millions and millions of years being possible.

If we don't take what the Bible says in one part as true,

then it becomes a problem for the rest of scripture,

and that's really what this is about.

And is it all true, or is only part of it true?

Because if only part of it's true,

then how do you know any of it's true?

The scripture doesn't need anything other than itself

because it is the ultimate authority,

and it is true, so therefore whatever it says is true

because it's the, you know, word of God, so...

but because it's true, we would expect science

to be consistent with it and confirm it, and it does.

We've actually gotten to the point in our home

that we do not use the term "Bible story" anymore.

It has been outlawed.

We will say "Bible account," "Bible event,"

"Bible history," but it's not a story.

These are things that really happened.

This is true.

Oh, my gosh!

One of our themes this year is about rescuing our kids

from the evolutionary ideas, millions of years,

because it is just rampant in material for children,

whether it be cartoons or books or school.

We have a lot of stationary dinosaurs,

as well as several animatronic dinosaurs.

Because kids really are fascinated by them.

And there's just something about,

you know, going out into the museum

and seeing these dinosaurs and seeing all those things

that you might see at a "regular" museum,

so to speak,

But from a very different perspective.

Our design team has been working really hard

on putting together an exhibit donated to us.

It's one of the...

I think it's one of the largest

allosauruses ever discovered,

and so that's just great for us to be able

to display something just as fine

as what the Smithsonian Museum would do,

because we believe that these things

are not millions of years old.

They're actually only thousands of years old.

But for some reason, after the flood,

just like with a lot of other organisms,

the animals weren't able to survive,

and so they've become extinct today.

As far as we know, they've become extinct today.

I'm very excited, yeah.

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

Oh, sorry, man.

When a guy comes at you with a dinosaur femur,

you get out of the way.

Yeah.

As a creation museum, this is great for us.

We believe in dinosaurs.

People think we don't believe in dinosaurs.

You know, we believe in dinosaurs.

We believe that dinosaurs and man lived at the same time.

The Bible does talk about, you know, creation week

and all the mammals and humans were created on day six,

so that would mean that they were on the same day.

Does it just have one clavicle?

- Yeah. It's a fused furcula. - I didn't know that.

- It's called a furcula. - It's a fused clavicle.

- Furcula. - That is a leg.

Oh, that is weird.

I think that it's just a really cool thing

to have a real dinosaur of this caliber.

This is a fossil created during Noah's flood,

and so we're gonna have signage

that teaches about that idea.

Oh, yeah. Oh, wait a minute.

Oh, that looks nice.

I like that. It's easy to read.

If there was a global flood, you would expect

to find billions of dead things

buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the Earth,

and that's exactly what we find.

We look at all these layers of sediment

not as a record of millions of years of life on Earth

but rather as record of burial during Noah's flood.

Just want to take a minute and thank the Lord

for giving this thing here.

Dear heavenly Father, thank you so much

that you've allowed all this come together.

Thank you that we can have this fossil

and that it's just a really cool thing.

Thank you for the testimony that it is of the flood...

of the judgment of the flood

and then ultimately of your reality,

and just thank you so much,

and especially I want to thank you for Jesus,

and it's in his name I pray.

Amen.

- There you go. - There you go.

Okay, we're gonna get underway here.

We're going to open and dedicate a new exhibit here

At the Creation Museum.

Before we unveil this beautiful fossil and the reconstruction,

I just wanted to mention something

about the new ark project

that'll be open in 2016, by the way,

the life-size Noah's ark that's being constructed.

Okay, now, if we're ready for the exhibit to be unveiled,

we shall take down the plastic curtain.

- Whoa! - Wow!

♪ I don't believe in evolution ♪

♪ I know creation is true

♪ I believe that God above created me and you ♪

♪ So praise his name for what he's made ♪

♪ Give credit where it's due

♪ I don't believe in evolution ♪

♪ I know creation is true

♪ I don't believe in evolution ♪

♪ I know creation is true

When they started talking about the Ark Encounter

and getting it all set up, I was really excited

'cause I was still a creationist.

Oh, I thought, "Oh, wow, we'll get

"a whole scale model of the ark.

That's not been done."

And I really wanted them to really go into detail

and show how it all could have worked.

I prefer to use the term "indoctrination."

These ideas are very deeply embedded.

You hear them over and over and over again,

that the Bible has to be history.

If you go over, if you believe in evolution,

you're hurting the gospel.

You're making it hard for people to get saved.

Next thing you know, you're going to be

a raving atheist feminist communist,

and then you're just gonna give up everything.

Hey, can I get a...

I had a lot of people tell me that

"You're attacking God," that "You're trying to...

"you hate God; you are...

you are out to take people away from God,"

and, you know... and I wasn't.

That was difficult,

because when you grow up believing

that this is the only way to hold the Christianity,

you lose creationism,

and suddenly you're like, "Wait, do I still keep...

Am I still a Christian here? What do I do?"

This is a picture of me and Ken Ham.

I was probably about 16 at the time,

and I said, "Hey, Mom and Dad, I am going to earn some money,

"and I'm going to be one of the lifetime

"charter members there because this is something

that's important to me."

There are a lot of gaps

in just the average layperson's

understanding of science, and so creationism comes in

and fills those gaps with...

things that aren't quite right.

They're just wrong enough to make it sound good,

and that's why, you know, as a creationist,

I thought that I knew way more science

than the average person

because I had so much more information.

I had all of these gaps filled in.

I just had them filled in with the wrong ideas.

So I wanted to just share...

if there are people who are interested

in how creationism is based

and why people believe these things,

I wanted to be able

to share my experiences, and that's something

that people have been pretty receptive to.

I've had a lot of readers, and I also sent it

to the science editor of Huffington Post,

and then it got picked up as well

by the "Lexington Herald Leader."

The approach from most creationists

has been very, very hostile.

"Stop being angry at God," "Stop being offended at God,"

"God's waiting for you," stuff like that,

and that's all frustrating because I'm a Christian.

I'm not... I haven't left anything.

It's...

And that's just this assumption that it comes from evolution

and deep time and all these things,

they come from this philosophy of atheism,

that that's where they're based,

and that's just not true.

Here in Kentucky,

we have lots of hilly topography.

When the highways are built, they break...

they go through the rock and leave

these outcrops behind,

which are always wonderful for geologists

and paleontologists.

I mean, that's one of the great things

about the Maysville area

is, the collecting is just so easy.

Side of the road, it's a little bit gray area

whether we're allowed to collect,

but I've had state troopers help me collect before,

so usually if you're not drunk or anything like that,

they won't kick you off the outcrops,

or at most, they'll ask you to leave.

People will honk at you and sometimes

throw beer cans and...

Oh, I think I got this for Christmas

in probably 1967 or 1968.

And when I was in high school in the late 1970s,

we had a little bit of evolution

when we talked about genetics,

but the chapter on evolution in the book was so cool,

and I had all these fossils I was gonna bring into class

and show the teacher.

We ran out of time. We just didn't have that.

Darn it, we just ran out of time.

We had plenty of time to talk

about the coach's track victories

and the track team, but we didn't have time

to talk about evolution in biology class.

And by the time I was in my second semester of college,

it was a big deal here.

The local community wanted creationism

taught in the schools, and the school board

was divided two-to-two with one undecided member,

and I got involved in this quite early.

I was writing letters to the editor

pretty much end of high school and college,

probably that summer.

This is one time I really wish

the James Bond jet pack had been perfected.

It seems like always the very nice place to collect

is something like this

where you have to climb over all this stuff,

and your feet will ache tomorrow morning

from stepping on all these rocks.

That's a pretty neat bottom feature.

I'm not sure what it is.

I don't know what causes that.

That's interesting.

I was thinking at first, it might be a trace fossil

of some sort, and it could be.

But sometimes you just don't know.

That's the strength of science, though.

We don't say that we know it

and then refuse to change our answer.

In science, it's all right to say,

"I don't know, might never know."

You might think you know and might be wrong,

but you can change your mind based on the evidence,

not because of some sort of religious dogma.

There's videos of Ken Ham on the Internet

talking to groups of schoolkids,

and he'll say things like,

"When a scientist says certain rock

is such-and-such billions of years old, what do you say?"

And he'll tell them to say, "Were you there?"

as if you had to be there in order

to make an interpretation of the geologic past.

And you don't have to be there.

You can observe evidence in the present

and see things and figure out,

just like forensic science, what happened in the past.

There's just so many different crazy things

that would have to be changed about the world

if we did things the way the creationists

are doing geology.

But that's my rant, I guess, for right now.

- You ready? - Yeah!

Okay.

Sixth day.

"Oh, were you there?"

I'm Mark Looy, and welcome

to another milestone

in the construction of this

life-size Noah's ark behind me.

It's going to be an impressive structure

when it opens,

Lord willing, summer of next year.

Let me introduce Ken Ham, our president.

He is the visionary behind the Ark Encounter,

and he'll say a few words here,

and then we'll lead you on a tour of the ark.

Ken?

Okay, thank you, Mark, and good morning,

and thank you for coming.

The ark itself is going to be

built up on that platform that you see.

Now, that concrete platform,

the precast concrete you see there won't be visible

when it's open; it'll have a wooden...

The whole point of this park is to teach people

that these biblical events

were real history in real time that actually happened,

so that's really what this is all about,

that there really was a flood.

It's not a bathtub ark.

He created a real ark for a real flood

that probably destroyed

upwards of 10 billion people on the Earth.

You've got an ark that was created to save eight people,

and the rest of the population was literally obliterated

because God was really unhappy with what He did.

That's what the Bible says.

I'm gonna say, come January,

we, the design team,

can actually get inside there

and start, you know, installing exhibits,

so that's really gonna be the next thing.

Since the last time we talked,

we were working on the allosaur at that point,

and a totally different team was working

on designing the ark.

And I actually... at that point,

I didn't think I was gonna get to work on the ark

because we had a special team for that,

and at some point,

I was switched over to full-time on the ark, and...

which is awesome; it's a dream job.

Almost everything that you're seeing

is going into the ark

to represent animals that would be on the ark

to be saved from the flood.

A lot of people falsely think that Noah

had to take two of every species of animal,

which there's millions and millions,

and, you know, people make jokes about that.

But no, no, no, it would have been

far fewer numbers, in just a few thousands,

because just like, you know, you've got dogs,

you don't need all the varieties of dogs.

You just need two dogs

and then breed out everything else.

So the same thing is true with all of the animals.

So that's why the Bible specifically says "kinds."

Panic? No.

Occasionally I will lay awake

thinking of, you know, what's next and how...

strategically, how are we gonna get all this done?

I feel like this is what I've been prepared for all my life.

And so I feel like that, like...

that sort of hits me like a wave

every once in a while, just purpose.

Everybody who works for Answers in Genesis

is a creationist.

I actually have been a creationist

as long as I've been alive, basically,

but I actually went through a period

where I kind of was questioning that.

I thought, "Well, you know, they seem to have

"some good points about how the Earth

could probably be really, really old,"

and I was like, "Uh, you know,

"maybe the Earth is millions of years old.

What does it matter, really?"

And then when I met Ken

and he just said it, like,

"The Earth can't really be millions of years old

"if death and suffering came in

"when Adam and Eve sinned,

"because you couldn't have millions of years of death

and suffering before sin, if that's the case."

So it wasn't that I came back from not believing

in six-day creation, but at the same time,

I realized it was more important

than I had even thought it was originally.

This is actually a grandfather of the giraffes,

and then this is a classic stegosaurus.

This one's reclining.

Yes. Very important.

On the ark, we're assuming that...

we're assuming, 'cause it doesn't say...

but it would make sense for him to take younger animals

because they would eat less

and they would have a chance to live longer after the flood,

so it just made sense for them to be younger.

Plus, they take up so much less space.

You know, you think of dinosaurs, you think,

"Oh, my goodness, he'd never be able

to get those on the ark."

Well, the eggs of dinosaurs are only this big.

T. rex, when it was born, was only, you know, that big,

so you can have a juvenile with no problem,

so yeah, stegs got big.

These things got really big, not as big as T. rex.

We got... that's what the guys are working on in there.

I think a lot of people, when they look at these,

will assume that they are raptors

because they're so similar in size,

but even though T. rex got to be about 40 feet long,

we're representing them as juveniles.

I don't feel like I'm gonna, like, just talk to you

and convert you as you walk out the door.

But I want you to see that, you know, I'm a normal person.

I am not crazy,

but I do believe in all of this,

and any opportunity I get to talk about it, I'll take it.

I think this ape's almost done,

just a couple little final touches.

I think you've seen that in several stages along the way.

When you create a park like this,

you gotta entertain people.

You want them to have fun,

but you also want to teach them,

and so we have a section within the Walled City,

as I'm calling this entrance area there,

where we will bring people through

that will literally show them

what we think was going on during that period of time,

and it's a lot like walking through Main Street Disney,

where you've got food and you've got entertainment

and you've got crafts and you've got, you know,

things... you know, gifts, shopping,

all of that kind of stuff.

So as you walk through that,

plus, you know, with the live entertainment

and the shows that we'll do,

we'll give you what our rendition is

of what we think the culture was very much like.

And, you know, it's gonna be graphic in a lot of ways,

so you can decide whether you want to take

your children through it or not.

Well, let's at least talk about the society

that we have today.

We have crime.

We have rampant sex out of marriage.

We have all kinds of deviations

that are going on within our society today.

You know, so much of it has fallen apart.

When I was a kid growing up, everybody was married.

Everybody went to church.

You know, and the American society

was very different than it is today.

God says, "That's the kind of stuff that I'm gonna judge,"

and so that's basically the kind of thing,

I think, on a more extreme level

that we'll be showing within the Walled City itself.

You've got slavery. You've got bestiality.

You've got all kinds of crazy stuff that's going on, and...

You'll just have to wait and see.

Tonight a biblical-based theme park

is creating controversy.

It's about whether the government is too involved

in helping to build it.

Democratic governor Steve Beshear

said the government is very excited about it

and explained why.

The numbers alone tell the tale.

This is a $150-million investment

that is projected to create nearly 900 jobs,

including almost 550 full-time jobs.

Folks here in Williamstown say the ark

is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

The county went through some hard economic times

several years ago,

but they're hopeful that will change now with the ark.

It looks like a very Mayberry-type

place to live and all.

It looks very nice, for the most part.

It's a nice small town,

horrible financial situation,

so you understand why they're so desperate.

I really feel sorry for the town.

President and CEO of Answers in Genesis

and Ark Encounter, Ken Ham,

believes the ark will generate $4 billion in revenue

and bring 20,000 jobs to the region

over the next ten years.

The locals seem to be completely snowed in by this.

They were pretty much told

that the streets were gonna be paved with gold.

The mayor even told the citizens

that their utility rates would go down

because of the Ark Park.

It just seems so flimflam-ish

that I can't really envision things turning out

like Ken Ham says they're gonna turn out.

One of the first things I did

when I started opposing the Ark Park

is, I got a subscription to the Grant County News,

so I was able to get a sort of inside source of information.

And I have lots of stories going all the way back from...

like, this is 2012, "Ark Park Moving Slowly."

You know, they'll have guest columns by Ken Ham.

They occasionally have op-eds by various creationists,

including Mark Looy, the...

one of the spokespeople for Answers in Genesis.

This one might be replying to something I wrote.

He didn't mention me by name, though, in his reply.

Here's when they started some of the construction.

"Ark Taking Shape."

People that visit the Ark Park,

they have to pay sales tax,

and Answers in Genesis,

they get back

up to, like, $1.8 million per year of the tax money

they normally would send to the state coffers,

so instead of the state getting the money,

Answers in Genesis gets to keep

a good portion of their sales tax.

I got on the Answers in Genesis website,

and I got on there,

and I looked at the employment thing,

and lo and behold, there was one for a CAD,

a computer-assisted design operator,

specifically for the Ark Park,

and basically what I found was,

they required the salvation history,

the agreement with Answers in Genesis statement of faith,

all these different things that even included

what church you went to and things like that.

I've never seen a job, not even for janitor,

that didn't require the belief statement.

If you're getting any sort of public funding

and, all at once, you only hire certain people

based on their religious beliefs,

that contradicts the idea

that you're actually helping the economy.

You're just helping a specific religious sect.

So I wrote the op-ed where I wrote

the "Herald Leader" about the discovery

That they were gonna discriminate in hiring.

Unfortunately the "Herald Leader" said,

"Non-Christians need not apply,"

and actually, most Christians aren't eligible

for jobs at the Ark Park.

It's not just unbelievers and Jewish people, Muslims,

Mormons, anything like that.

Mainstream Protestants and Catholics

and even Old Earth creationists

would not be eligible for hiring.

Americans United jumped on it

and sent a formal letter to Kentucky Tourism

about the tax incentive.

But one of the most frustrating things

about this whole situation

is that Ken Ham continually

tried to play on both sides.

He would argue that, "Oh, the Ark park

"is really just a tourist attraction,

and, you know, we're welcoming everybody; it's all right."

Mr. Ham, do you see this park as part of a ministry,

as essentially a church, or is it purely business?

Well, actually, the Ark Encounter

is a profit organization

that's set up to give a particular view

of biblical history; it's really a...

But then he would then tell his supporters

that it was designed

to proselytize and convince people

of the truth of the story of Noah's ark

and the truth of the Bible

and persuade them to adopt the religious views

favored by some fundamentalist Christians.

Think of a Christian facility...

But I believe it.

That stands on the word of God

and 132 ark bays with exhibits,

and it's gonna really show

that we can give answers and challenge them

that they need to put their faith

and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.

- Wow. - So it's an evangelistic ark.

- Yes. - We have many, many others...

You can't have it both ways,

and that's where we really had the problem.

Americans United for the Separation

of Church and State contacted me and asked me

if I would be willing to be party to their legal action.

I readily agreed to do so

because they thought it was important to represent

the fact that there are religious people,

deeply religious people, who are also uncomfortable

with those sorts of government benefits

going to a religious purpose.

I think implicit in the idea of the separation

of church and state is humility,

that no one religion, no one philosophy

has all the answers.

And they are very confident in what they believe,

and they have strong reservations about me.

I'm confident in what I believe too.

And I believe if you allow the free flow of ideas

that a more mature faith

is going to do well in that conversation,

and so I would just encourage more conversation,

and I think the scripture says, "You shall know the truth,

and the truth shall make you free."

And at that point, December of 2014,

the state basically said,

"No, we're not gonna give you the tax incentives."

You don't really realize until a particular religion

manages to take over an entire county and city government

and get them to do everything they're asked

How important the separation of church and state is.

Park officials are seeking legal action

after being denied tax incentives.

The Commonwealth says it cannot give tax incentives

to a company that "intends to discriminate

in hiring its employees based on religion."

The ark's parent organization,

Answers in Genesis, has launched

a billboard campaign to bolster supporters.

A federal lawsuit could soon follow.

Throughout this whole debate,

Ken Ham continued to insist

that he was not receiving any state support,

and he would get mad when we said that he was.

And let me say this for all the media:

not one cent has come from taxpayer money.

Yeah, he won by a rather large margin, actually,

in spite of being five points behind in the polls.

Governor Bevin is a fundamentalist Christian.

You could be an atheist, and you would appreciate

there's a lot of wisdom in the Bible.

He has tweeted pictures of himself

visiting the Ark Park.

The governor came in at just the time

when it would've been decided

what's gonna happen with this ruling,

and the governor had campaigned in part on the idea

that he would support the Ark Park.

Basically the judge bought the idea that the Ark Park

was just another tourist attraction

and that it should get the same benefits

that similarly situated attractions

had received in the past.

A legal win for a biblical theme park in Kentucky.

A federal judge says the state cannot exclude the park

from a tax incentive program worth millions of dollars.

We were thrilled, of course, with the result

because the judge ruled in Answers in Genesis' favor.

Tickets are now available online for the Ark Encounter.

I really wish there were more people

helping me fight this.

And a lot of people that I know scientifically

just won't get involved in this.

They don't want to take the time.

They say, "Well, Dan will do it,"

and, you know,

maybe if I stopped doing some of the stuff I do,

somebody else would step in and do something, but...

people don't want to be unpopular.

They don't want to say things

that'll draw attention to themselves.

I've been the object of several Ken Ham blog posts

specifically aimed at myself.

And maybe people, they don't want

to have to deal with...

basically bull like that on the side.

I'm not really sure.

It's like grabbing hold of something

and it gets sticky all over you,

and if they were to come forward

and say very much against the Ark Park,

they would have the people from the Ark Park

breathing down their throats all the time.

It is... it's frustrating.

I mean, people ask me why I spend so much time on this,

and this is one of the reasons why.

I mean, nobody else seems like they give a damn about it.

I mean, I know they really do,

but they can't really come out and say anything.

The ark puts us on the map, so to speak.

One of my favorite headlines I ever wrote

when I was at the paper was,

"Ark Brings Flood of Possibilities," so...

I couldn't help it.

I can remember, as a little girl,

coming to downtown and skating in the skating rink,

and the downtown area was always bustling on Saturdays,

and then we went through the downturn,

the economic times, when you could almost see

the tumbleweeds blow through downtown.

And now we're excited

because we've got businesses coming back.

It's awesome to see young people getting excited

about the potential for our community again.

Okay, so this is Elmer's General Store.

We've got hand-dipped ice cream,

homemade fried pies, and other desserts.

So we do the old-time malts, milkshakes, and the sodas

and all this stuff, and then, like I said,

we have the vendors, and we're looking for more.

We had the experience of working Gatlinburg

and Pigeon Forge, so we know what

a tourist attraction can do for a community,

so we're excited.

When you're getting calls from places like China

and Wisconsin and Missouri and people want to know,

"Where can I stay, and what can I do?"

we've never had that in the past,

so you capitalize on that.

I say we serve about 50 at the moment,

so it just, you know, depends on your days, of course.

You have ups and downs, but when we have music shows,

We bring anywhere from 50 to 150.

So we're doing fine, you know.

We can make it, barely,

but the ark really will help our tourism

and will help, the... you know,

the people coming through the doors.

You know, this time next year,

this town is not gonna look like it is.

I know they're already planning on having shuttle buses

come and drop tourists off in Williamstown,

so hopefully, you know, they'll get an ice cream

or listen to a song or two here,

and it will really help us.

So Jimmy wrote this song about the ark, and he's lived here...

Jimmy, you've lived here, what, about 30 years or so?

- 20. - 20?

- Try that. - See if that fits.

He's lived here longerthan I've been alive, so...

No.

You guys ready?

Yeah.

♪ I went overto the edge of the line ♪

♪ And looked into the dark

♪ Yonder in the fieldsomewhere ♪

♪ I declare I saw the ark ♪

♪ Businessman stood next to me ♪

♪ He'd come to collect his bounty ♪

♪ They're crawling two-by-two because ♪

♪ The ark is in Grant County

♪ Better keep a-moving, folks ♪

♪ No, this ain't no trick

♪ The ark has been located

♪ On Highway 36

♪ Exit 154

♪ On Highway 36

I haven't been to the Creation Museum

in years and years.

I grew up in central Kentucky, and I, of course,

had a lifetime pass to the Creation Museum.

Here I am getting a picture with my name

on the wall of lifetime charter members.

Very proud that I was on the wall there,

and I think I may have subtly dropped that from time to time

as I was talking to a girl from a Christian family:

"You know, I'm on the wall at the Creation Museum."

It was a big deal.

This is... I was street preaching

in Huntington Beach

in California, did some street preaching.

I've got some money-shaped gospel tracts there,

and I'm explaining the effects of sin on the world

and the importance of Genesis

and the importance of the Ten Commandments

And everything that goes along with that.

I don't know, there might be a degree

to which I think back to where I was and think,

"What would have changed my mind?"

I... some of this stuff is new,

so I don't know my way around at this point anymore.

Hey, where are the charter member plaques?

Are they further on or...

They should beright down here.

- Right down here? - Okay.

I was certain that I knew everything.

I was really, really, really prideful

in my knowledge of Creationism

and how I knew more than the scientific community

and I knew more than all of these people

who are just accepting evolution

without asking questions.

I regret that I was a big... you know, a big know-it-all.

Oh, it's a different... this is a different person.

This is someone else.

You know, this is someone who lived a long time ago,

many... many years ago.

And I don't know...

I don't think he'd recognize me.

Feels kind of strange.

This is the king,

the king of the preflood world.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he talks in a King Julian voice.

Maurice, you crazy fool!

Welcome to my party!

Everybody would be rooting for the water

to take him out at that point.

He's gonna have this golden helmet going on here.

Yeah, he's just having a good time.

So it's a very... very fun diorama to work on,

lot of dynamism.

All these figures, we started with a 3-D scan

of actual people,

and then from there, we take it into the computer,

do a lot of resculpting, but it's really fun stuff.

We're working out, really, the face of Noah.

He's the iconic character, so he's probably

the most important character that we have.

And then, of course, you got Ham, Shem, and Japheth

and then all of their wives.

Noah has to be a very iconic figure

because we're not only gonna use him in pictures

like this illustration; we're gonna use him

in static figures and animatronic figures,

and also we will re-create him in film as well.

These are some of the different face concepts

for the wives of the sons,

so just kind of pulling some different features from people

from all over the world so that they show

that it's a compilation

of different characteristics, so...

Obviously we get to kind of invent that

'cause we don't know what they looked like.

We get from the Bible that Ham's descendants

went to the Americas through Asia, Africa,

and so we kind of have a bit of a challenge

to kind of put all those kinds of features

into the faces of Ham's wife and Ham.

Here, you know, you have Ham's wife.

You know, we do... do research; we've...

Some physical features here.

And so based upon the characteristics,

then we find some gave you Asian.

Some gave you, you know, darker,

more Middle Eastern features.

Some maybe gave you more African features, et cetera,

'cause you basically...

everything literally comes out of these three couples.

You know, middle brown color

with brown eyes and brown hair.

Some is a little darker.

Some of the people

are a little bit darker, some a little bit lighter.

And you have what...

Skin tone, eye color, stuff like that.

We're gonna do a peaceful demonstration.

They have the right to build their park,

but we also have the right to protest it,

that this story is not scientifically accurate.

And not only is it not scientifically accurate.

It's immoral.

The original idea was to put up a billboard...

a regular billboard for 30 days,

and if we raised enough money, we'd put up a couple.

This was just the shot to let people know we had...

If you gave us $500,

you can actually take a photo of yourself.

We want you all wet, whatever pose,

take several poses, and we will actually put you

in the billboard drowning in the ocean.

So it got us a lot of press.

We raised almost $10,000 in a couple days.

The problem was, the billboard company

backed out when it got all this press.

We didn't expect radio, TV, papers would pick it up.

Atheist group's anti-Ark Encounter billboard

is rejected.

Two billboard companies have refused to display

an advertisement by an atheist group

to protest the Ark Encounter amusement park in Kentucky.

Tri-State Freethinker, the president, Jim Helton,

welcome to "The Bill Cunningham Show."

Thanks for having me on.

Now, why do you say genocide and incest

somehow is part of the ark?

I don't know how else to describe it.

In the story of Noah's ark,

God drowns everybody.

Now, some Christians will say that people are wicked,

but he drowns everybody, even the innocent:

women, children, bunny rabbits, everybody.

That is textbook genocide.

I see no other way to describe it.

And then he repopulates the Earth through incest

for the second time.

- We find this highly immoral. - What do you mean, incest?

If you only have one family, the only way to repopulate

is having sex within that family.

They could've had some other family

on top of the mountains somewhere.

Noah's family and his kids, that was it.

And keep in mind, Adam and Eve was through incest, too,

to populate the Earth for the first time,

so this is the second story of incest.

And if you go to Ken Ham's Creation Museum,

he says, "Incest is okay because God said so."

Well, if God says okay, it's okay.

No! Killing people and incest is not okay.

Well, what are you gonna do about this?

You have two companies, Event Advertising and Lamar,

that said, "Nah, bubba, nah."

What do you do now?

We went... a mobile billboard company

reached out to us and said, "We'll put it up,"

but then recently, with all the press it's gotten,

he backed out for fear of his personal safety.

He did not feel safe driving it around.

So we have $10,000, and we cannot find a company

in the state of Kentucky or Cincinnati

willing to take our money.

Have you confronted Ken Ham on this?

Ken Ham has... we have had

a back-and-forth through Twitter.

He has personally called me out

a half-dozen times on Twitter

this morning alone.

He has blogged about us several times.

So the reason we call this out is,

it doesn't stop here.

It seeps into our politics.

It seeps into our lawmaking, and that's why we make a stand.

Well, you're a heathen that's gonna burn in hell,

and if that's the case,

I will say a prayer to get you out.

If you're lucky, you'll end up in purgatory,

in which case, I can help you.

If you're in hell, you're beyond my reach.

Then I'll be in good company.

There'll be a lot of... other hell characters

will be down there, and you'll be burning,

and there'll be a million serpents

biting your legs for eternity.

See, again, you're threatening me

with torture,

which proves my claim that that's immoral.

Just because I require facts and evidence

should not be a reason to torture me forever.

Well, you're gonna burn in hell.

- I'm okay with that. - All right.

What's your website, if any?

- Tristatefreethinkers.com. - All right.

Well, look, stay in touch.

- All right. I will. - God bless you, man.

Thanks for having me on, Bill.

Bye.

How'd I do?

I'd like to go protest a protest.

On July 7th, a group of atheists

are planning on protesting the opening of Ken Ham's

Ark Encounter attraction. I actually looked...

Ken Ham was getting ready to be done with the ark,

and he texted me and said,

"Hey, I just learned some atheists

"are gonna be protesting the opening

of the Ark Encounter."

I texted him back and said, "Man, I would love

"to be there for that.

I would have a great time."

So here's the deal.

I would love for you to help me get a team of people

that I've assembled to the Ark Encounter

so that we can protest the protest.

At the end of the day, what's fun about it is,

these are people that right now,

if my worldview is true,

they're on their way to hell.

I get the privilege, I get the joy...

I'd say more than fun; it's joy...

of trying to go into these storms

and rescue people and say,

"Listen, you need the truth."

By the way, don't tell the atheists that we're coming.

My name is Eric Hovind.

I get the privilege of traveling around

and talking about creation versus evolution and really...

We're seeing a resurgence of the Creation Movement,

people realizing science

doesn't fit the evolution worldview.

"Let's go back and rethink this."

And so we're seeing the Creation Movement

as a whole raise back up.

The evolution worldview says

somewhere between 13 billion and 20 billion years ago,

there was a big bang.

The idea that the universe came into existence...

Instantaneously is exactly

what we get out of Genesis 1:1.

So the Bible tells us that it's our authority,

and science is gonna confirm that,

so I'd like to try to prove to you...

So you have this idea

of a lot of people believed evolution.

Some people use that as an argument.

"Well, evolution must be true."

But majority doesn't determine right and wrong, you know?

Jean-Luc Picard can tell you a lot

about the Starship "Enterprise."

That doesn't make it true.

I know people that can teach me a lot about evolution,

and it doesn't make it true.

The longest wavelength we see is red.

Well, if God stretched out the heavens as a curtain,

we would expect to see the longer

of the wavelengths of light, which is the red of the light,

and everywhere we look, guess what we're seeing.

The red shift in starlight.

The fact that our vice president

is somebody who believes in creation,

I think that leads just even more credibility

to the number of people out there that go,

"I don't believe this because I'm ignorant.

"I've thought this through.

"I've looked at the information.

I've concluded this is the truth."

And so yeah, I'm excited that we've got

lots of elected officials that hold to this worldview.

Do you believe in evolution, sir?

Do I believe in evolution?

I embrace the view that God created the heavens

and the Earth and the seas and all that's in them, and...

Right, but do you believe in evolution

as the way he did it?

The means, Chris,

that he used to do that,

I can't say.

But you don't believe that...

you don't takea fundamentalist view

of the seven daysof creation, do you?

- Chris. - I'm just asking. Do you?

Chris, where are we going with this? Is it...

The idea that if even one part of the Bible

is not true that the whole thing crumbles

is a very difficult piece of terrain to defend,

and it seems obvious to me

that science, at multiple levels,

clearly has proven the Earth is more than 6,000 years old,

and why some folks,

in the name of their religion, I assume,

choose to ignore that and to cling

to a religious viewpoint

that says otherwise

is not something I fully understand.

I never heard anyone say that Genesis can be inspired,

can be from God and not be history,

that God can give us something

that's something other than history.

That was just not an idea that was ever presented to me.

I believe the Bible is true in what it says in Genesis,

principally communicating the idea

that God created this world, and I believe this.

I believe that God has a purpose

and a will for this creation.

That having been said, science informs

how I understand what that creation is

and how this planet functions,

and there have been hundreds and thousands of years

of project... of progress in human thought

since that time that help us to better understand

the world that God has made,

And I welcome that aid in understanding God's world.

It's like there's a little voice in your head

that closes the door whenever you see evidence

that doesn't fit your beliefs and then opens it

whenever you see evidence that you can make fit,

and that's something that,

you know, every creationist had,

a little guy in their head saying, "Wait, nope, stop.

Don't listen. Don't look at that,"

and, "Wait, we can accept this."

I was also debating anyone who would

pay attention to me whenever I got the chance.

You know, online, I would find some poor scientist

and be like, "All right, let me tell you,"

and so I would debate everybody I could,

and then they would come back with really clear,

obvious answers to what I was saying,

and I would say, "Hold on, let me go consult

"my Answers in Genesis material.

Oh, there's the answer,"

and then I would come back with that, you know,

'cause they have answers... they have a lot of answers.

That's what they call it, Answers in Genesis.

So we have all these different DVDs,

and if you stop to read all the different titles,

I mean, it's on so manydifferent subjects,

anywhere frombiblical authority

to how is Genesis relevantin our culture today

to what about geology, and what about the ape men,

and how do you explaindinosaurs, so forth and so on,

so it's literallyjust the whole gamut

related to science fieldsand biblical authority issues.

A lot of people love dinosaurs,

and kids love dinosaurs.

This is one of our most popular books,

"Dinosaurs of Eden" from Ken Ham,

and so books like this that walk through

with really good artwork, and this has got

some up-to-date scientific information in it

to help the kids understand

all about dinosaurs and things.

Yeah, there are surely tens of thousands of families

around the country using our different resources.

Knowing that it's going out and influencing people is...

It brings me great joy.

This event is called

the International Conference of Creationism.

We believe in the authority of the Bible.

We believe that the biblical account in Genesis

is historically and scientifically accurate.

We present various papers.

It's only creation that's presented.

It's only creation that is promoted

as opposed to other scientific organizations

would really promote only evolution.

Well, this is the creationist version of that.

The growth had to take over a period of time.

The audience is being snowed.

I mean, it looks like science, and unfortunately it isn't.

It's a parody, almost, of science.

Answers in Genesis puts these things on their website

they claim are scientific papers,

and they can range from very densely written things

to things that invoke miracles and all sorts of other stuff.

Grass bank from...

There are people with degrees,

but a degree basically means

that you're capable of doing science.

It doesn't mean that you're a scientist.

We know that from modern landslides...

You basically have to agree

that the Earth is 6,000 years old,

that Noah's flood was a real event,

do all these different things before you could

even publish a thing in their

supposedly scientific journal.

So your conclusions are, you know, foreordained.

It pretty much kills the scientific method

before it even starts.

And we can start handing animals out by hand.

Awesome.

That would be perfect.

You know, driving by this when I was growing up,

it was always,"Okay, all those layers

"came from Noah's flood.

All those layersare about the same age."

But actually getting out and taking a closer look,

it's not quite so easy to think that.

You see stuff that's really fine-grained.

- Oh, wow. - See the laminations there?

Yeah, you can just... you can barely even see that.

It's like it's painted on.

So things there were probably

deposited really slowly.

Then there might have been another storm

and layer after layer of just...

Gotcha.

It's so inconsistentwith anything

the creationists are claiming

about the natureof the rock record.

- Yeah. - Oh, yeah.

Actually, this pieceis actually better on there.

I know that there were definitely a lot of concerns

about me when I was... first started writing this stuff.

I surprised a lot of people, alarmed a lot of people.

Well, he probably... a lot of his family

was invested in supporting the Creation Museum,

and sometimes to turn against

What your family believes can be heartrending.

It's... I'm running the risk of really... you know,

really upsetting people I care about.

I kind of feel like, "Oh, if I can just explain

why and how and all this stuff,"

but explaining doesn't always work.

It takes guts to go after

something you've been raised with.

It's been difficult.

A lot of people have asked, you know,

when I've been talking about this,

was there a time that I kind of switched from,

you know, I was believing one thing, and then I wasn't?

It was definitely a lot of successive steps,

a lot of small, you know, gradual things,

learning, "Oh, I was wrong about this.

That's not quite how it works."

And there was one day that I was at work

and on my lunch break reading about astronomy stuff

and galaxies and reading about discoveries.

I saw an image of a galaxy

that was running into the center

of a galaxy cluster.

There was a trail of hot gas

coming out from behind this galaxy,

200,000, 300,000 light-years.

Basically footprints in the sky

with paths that go way, way, way farther

than anything could move in 6,000 years.

And just seeing that and seeing, wait,

if something can traverse, you know,

200,000 light-years of space,

they can't be 6,000 years old.

It just can't work.

I realized at that point that yeah,

I don't believe this anymore.

I can't believe this anymore.

And so I was able to look at the universe

and hear what it was saying.

This is a new world.

It's a different... it's a different world

than I thought it was.

- Morning. - Morning.

I just wanted to touch basebefore it gets a little...

- Yeah, before it starts... - Little busy.

- It hits the fan, yeah. - Yeah.

What's this I'm hearing about an anti-protester?

Yes, Eric Hovind,

I believe is his name, coming up from Florida.

He's... Ken Ham, I guess, personally texted him and said,

"They're protesting.

You should come up hereand counterprotest."

So we just wantedto make you aware,

if there's an issue, we'll just let you know.

- Okay. - Okay.

- So about 150 people. - Yeah.

All right, just try to keep everybody safe, okay?

- We will. - Yeah, absolutely.

You know, as long as nothing's confrontational,

we're good, you know, as long as you guys

are, you know, doing your thing.

- Have a good one, guys. - All right, thank you.

All the kinds, so he made each kind,

and each kind of land animal was represented on Noah's ark,

so what we today call dinosaurs were represented on the ark.

It seems people haven't been given these answers.

They haven't been taught genetics correctly,

haven't been taught about speciation

and natural selection correctly.

We're gonna correct that in here

and undo the brainwashing that's occurred through...

And I encourage you, when you come

to Answers in Genesis, talk to our PhD scientists.

You might not understand what they're saying,

but talk to them.

What's really going on here,

so we're excited about what God is doing

and how the truth will be presented today.

It's gonna be fantastic.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

- This is gonna be fantastic. - I'm not being...

I'm just making surewe're all on the same page.

We are gonna correct you guys

on some of the misstatements you guys are making right now.

Well, good luck with that.

I'll give you timeto get set up and everything,

and as long as we're allin agreement, we'll be fine.

- Let's go! - We'll work with you all.

Long as you guys agree with me, we'll be great.

We are actually here all about science and reason.

The ark was built with science and reason.

Look at what a magnificent structure it is.

Disneyland quality,

some of the very best stuff that's ever been built.

I think the atheists should be proud and say,

"Christians, I can't believe

"you've used science and reason

so well."

- Let's not engage them. - Let's not talk to them.

Let's have zero conversation with them.

But what I want you to do is stand in front of the sign

and the back of the sign for every sign they have.

I would preferif they go over there

so we're less likelyto have confrontations.

See, I don't...

- Yes. - Okay.

Thank you.

No, I... this is me.

- I made all these signs myself. - I'm just saying...

I haven't asked people to come at all.

I'm telling you, I have not asked anybody

to show up here at all.

Thank you.

Gonna be a little different than what you might be,

say, in church or at some special meeting.

Normally I know you're told to turn your cell phones,

your smartphones off,

put them in your pocket, turn them on to vibrate.

I want you to make sure they're on.

We want you to tweet. We want you to blog.

We want you to post,

because we want 7 billion people to come here.

43,000 families or individuals

that gave 123,000 gifts, that's you.

Thank you for being a part of this ministry.

Mary Kay's on her way.

This park tells people

that evolution is not true, science isn't true,

the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

This is ridiculous, but keep in mind,

we didn't build a park based on genocide and incest.

We're just advertising for 'em and calling it what it is,

and now we've changed the conversation.

Actually, we do know that it never happened.

No, we know that itactually did happen.

Okay, do you realizethat you're being...

♪ Tax break there

♪ Here a break, there a break

♪ Everywhere a tax break

♪ Ark Encounter is a scam

♪ E-I-E-I-O

Parking on the right.

They killed all the babies and the animals.

Should we bring everybody...

♪ Hey, hey, hey

♪ Good-bye

♪ Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na

Did he know?

♪ Hey, hey, hey, good-bye

At this time, on behalf of the city

of Williamstown and the state of Kentucky,

I would like to officially declare the Ark Encounter open.

The visual impact of a structure like this

is just crazy.

It's astounding.

I'm really, really excited.

I don't want to be, but I am.

It's just insane how big this thing is.

It's... it's... really, really, really big. It's...

You know, so there's a part of me

that's just super thrilled that it's here

just because it's really cool to see...

Even if it can be a little bit frustrating to think about.

It's just massive.

There's no denying that.

Oh.

You know, this might be some people's definition of hell.

I've never smoked marijuana,

but if somebody offered me a hit of acid right now,

I think I'd take it.

Who knew that Adam and Eve sacrificed dinosaurs?

Look at that.

Creationists have been pretty vocal.

And they're gonna continue to have dinosaurs.

They're going to have flashy exhibits.

They're gonna build new museums,

and they're really gonna try hard

to leverage everything they can.

I think these are the same... the T. rex kind.

It's a little racy in here.

- They had underwear. - Yeah.

I can say positively that the building's nice.

It was beautifully constructed.

As far as the content, however, of course,

I have a much more negative view.

I even hate to say bad science or pseudoscience.

The anti-science and non-science

that's depicting the age of the Earth and universe,

claiming that all the world's sedimentary geology

is the result of Noah's flood,

the pieces of evidence

that they try to use for that

are really, really bad.

They've been debunked for years.

It's bull.

I mean, there's just not a fair word to...

scientific word to describe it.

What's it meant for downtown Williamstown?

Nothing.

I was one of these believers

that when the ark came, it would just...

everything was gonna come in.

Been here... it's not done it, Joe.

It's not done it.

I think the ark's done well.

And I'm glad for them on that,

but it's not done us good at all.

And I was very direct with him, you know.

When somebody asks me if we're getting

any taxes from it, I can't lie about it, you know?

Yeah.

It wasn't the friendliest letter in the world.

He just was a little upset with me,

and I agree with him I should promote it,

but, you know, I just... and I do!

But he didn't like what I said about a couple things,

you know, and I hate it that he was angry.

Well, I wouldn't say he was real angry,

but he was pretty...

straightforward.

Well, let me tell you something.

Nobody in the ark's coming into town.

Very... maybe eight cars a day,

and then they drive through, and they just,

"There's nothing here."

I hate it too,

'cause this used to be a wonderful little town.

My hope is that it is successful, really.

We're hoping some restaurants will come in here,

but we don't... I haven't heard anybody

or anything coming in right now

to Williamstown.

I was just as much shocked as you, and I...

when it closed, I didn't know it was gonna close,

even though I knew they weren't doing well.

And I know he thought this was gonna be the new Gatlinburg.

It's a shame.

"Well, of course it's in Kentucky,

"'cause they're a bunch of religious zealots,"

or, "They're part of the Bible Belt."

You know, those kind of comments,

I think those are generalizations

that are very unfair.

I've had people say,

"Well, do you believe the theory about the dinosaurs?

Do you believe, you know, how old the Earth is?"

and I said, "I'm not gonna address any of that.

"Religion is a personal choice.

"It is a... it is the way you view the world.

It is"... you know, I don't know how to explain

faith to somebody.

It is the thing that is hoped for and unseen.

But again, when you're talking about the ark itself,

as a community, we have to put that aside,

and it comes down to, we are home to the ark.

It is a business,

it is an attraction, and it is bringing people here,

so we have to capitalize on that

if we want to move forward and grow and be successful,

and I am very optimistic that we can do those things.

Time is what it's gonna take.

I've lost the sense that I have to be right.

I've lost the obligation to always be correct

and always be this authority.

I've lost that sense of obligation and that hunger

that I have to know everything,

or otherwise, everything's gonna crumble.

I would definitely be interested in writing

about how the current political climate

has changed the way we look at creationism.

These things are being turned into policy,

and we're seeing that impact, and I'm really worried

about what that impact is going to be.

No.

I can't say I miss Kentucky much.

Yeah, the ark has been good for business.

That is an understatement.

The attendance here has doubled.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're actually doubling our leach beds and our sewage

and all that stuff on property because of it.

We have no choice.

Since this is so much of the biblical history,

there's only a little bit of evidence.

There's only a little bit of fossil stuff.

There's only a little bit of that kind of stuff,

so what we want to do is put another museum over there

that really focuses on evidence.

We own 50 acres here, so we've got room to grow.

Ham is more complex than people realize.

I think that he has a business ability about him,

that he's a good propagandist.

He's a wonderful propagandist.

He holds the whole thing together.

Within a few years, he had the Creation Museum

and eventually had the ark planned.

Like I've said before, I sort of feel like

I've failed, basically, fighting this.

My goal was to make sure

that they didn't get the tax incentive money.

I feel I lost major on that.

It was just something that I put a lot of time in,

and it just didn't work out.

You can't have everything work out.

I remember, when I was a little kid,

my dad took me downtown without letting my mother know,

and we watched the movie "Patton."

And I'll never forget the opening scenes

where Patton's talking to the troops and saying,

"Someday you're gonna have your grandkids ask you,

"'What did you do in the war?'

"And are you gonna tell them that you shoveled

"in New Orleans

or you actually went out and fought?"

And you can say, "Well, I posted stuff to Facebook,"

or you can say, you know, "I actually went out

and at least tried to do something."

And I think at least... at least I tried.

Now, here's another exciting part of the project.

Rebuilding Noah's ark, that's only phase one.

We have other phases planned as well.

We've master-planned an entire park to go with Noah's ark.

We have, for instance, a petting zoo,

a stage for live animal programs,

a children's area,

a Tower of Babel with a 5-D theater,

a ride through the plagues of Egypt,

first-century village, drama theaters...

This comes from a politico.com reader

and was among the top vote-getters

in our early rounds.

They want a yes or no. Do you believe in evolution?

- Yes. - I'm curious.

Is there anybody on the stage that does not agree...

believe in evolution?

I personally believe that this theory

that Darwin came up with

was something that was encouraged

by the adversary.