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I TOLD MY WIFE, "SOMETHING'S
WRONG. I THINK I'M GONNA DIE."
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THREE DEMONS, THEY JUST CAME OUT
OF MY HEART LAUGHING.
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"WE GOT HIM."
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Arthur: I WAS GETTING A PREVIEW
OF HEAVEN AND HELL.
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ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU DIE,
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IT'S ALMOST LIKE GETTING
A BURDEN OFF YOUR SHOULDER.
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[ FLATLINE ]
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Narrator:
THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY
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THEY HAVE VISITED THE AFTERLIFE,
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CHALLENGING OUR UNDERSTANDING
OF DEATH.
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MOTIVATED BY THEIR OWN
EXPERIENCES
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PULLING VICTIMS
BACK FROM THE GRAVE,
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FOUR INVESTIGATORS
NOW SEEK TO SOLVE
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THE MYSTERIES OF RESURRECTION.
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Johnny: THIS IS GONNA
HELP UNLOCK SOMETHING
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THAT HASN'T BEEN KNOWN
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
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REGARDLESS OF RELIGION,
THE PERSON WAS DEAD,
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AND THEY CAME BACK TO LIFE.
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Jesse:
WE'RE PURSUING THIS TO SHOW
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THAT THE IMPOSSIBLE IS,
IN FACT, POSSIBLE.
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Sam: DEATH DOESN'T REALLY HAVE
THE FINAL SAY-SO.
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WHY DID YOU DEFY THE ODDS?
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Narrator:
THIS IS "PROJECT AFTERLIFE."
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I'M A MINISTER.
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I CONSIDER MYSELF SOMEONE
WHO HAS FAITH,
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BUT AS WE'RE
GOING THROUGH THESE CASES,
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AND WE'RE REVIEWING THESE CASES,
MY FAITH IS BEING STRETCHED.
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THIS WHOLE CHALLENGE OF PEOPLE
COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD
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HAS REALLY STRETCHED
ANY OF US TO
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BEYOND THE LIMITS
OF OUR UNDERSTANDING.
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THE FIRST THING
YOUR NATURAL MIND IS GONNA DO
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IS CHECK OUT OF HERE
WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY
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THAT WAS ONCE RESPONSIVE,
NOW UNRESPONSIVE.
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I GOT A GOOD ONE HERE --
ARTHUR VEAL.
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IN 2012, HE DIED.
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WENT IN FOR A ROUTINE CHECKUP,
THINGS WENT REALLY BAD,
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AND HE ENDED UP DYING
FOR 45 MINUTES.
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HE WAS GONE.
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THEY WERE PREPPING HIM
FOR THE MORGUE.
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THEY SAID HE WAS GONE.
NO HEARTBEAT -- GONE.
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AND WHO IS THE OTHER PARTY
IN THIS?
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LIKE, HOW DID HE
GET THROUGH THIS?
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HIS GRANDSON, SEAN,
WENT IN THE ROOM.
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SOMETHING HAPPENED.
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ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS
ABOUT ARTHUR,
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HE WAS A PRETTY BAD MAN
BEFORE THIS HAPPENED.
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HE HAD SERVED SOME TIME
IN PRISON,
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HE HAD SOMETHING
TO DO WITH NARCOTICS.
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I CAME ACROSS THE CASE
OF THEO NEZ.
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THEO IS ACTUALLY A NAVAJO INDIAN
FROM NAVAJO INDIAN TRIBE.
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FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
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THEO WAS DEAD FOR FOUR HOURS
AFTER A DRUG OVERDOSE.
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OKAY, SO I SEE HERE
THAT THEO DIED
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FROM AN OVERDOSE
ON METHAMPHETAMINE.
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METH IS A STIMULANT,
AND IF THERE'S NO INTERVENTION,
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A PERSON WILL GO UNCONSCIOUS,
INTO A COMA,
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STOP BREATHING,
AND JUST DIE.
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GUY DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE,
AND INSTEAD OF GOING FOR HELP,
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HIS WIFE HEARS A VOICE
TELLING HER TO GO PRAY,
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AND SHE DOES THAT
INSTEAD OF CALLING 911.
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WHO NATURALLY
WILL JUST STAND THERE AND PRAY?
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NO ONE NATURALLY
WOULD DO THAT.
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ALL RIGHT,
GOOD LUCK GOING OUT THERE
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AND UNCOVER
AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU CAN
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SO THAT WE ALL CAN LEARN
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A LITTLE BIT MORE
THAN WE KNOW NOW.
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Sam:
I'M HEADING THREE HOURS OUTSIDE
OF ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO,
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ONTO A NAVAJO INDIAN RESERVATION
TO MEET WITH THEO NEZ.
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TRADITIONALLY, THE NAVAJO PEOPLE
DON'T LIKE TO DISCUSS DEATH,
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BUT THEO'S INCREDIBLE STORY
DEMANDS TO BE TOLD.
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APPARENTLY, HE WAS DEAD FOR FOUR
HOURS BEFORE BEING RESURRECTED,
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WHICH DEFIES ALL MEDICAL LOGIC,
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AND IS THE MOST EXTREME CASE
THAT I'VE EVER HEARD.
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I'M MEETING THEO ON THE SACRED
NAVAJO GROUNDS WHERE HE GREW UP.
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HELLO, THEO.
HI, SAM.
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THE STORY THAT I HAVE TODAY,
IT PERTAINS TO LIFE AND DEATH.
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MY LIFE BEFORE
ALL THIS HAPPENED TO ME
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WAS JUST TOTAL REBELLION,
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
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I JUST REFUSED
TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE,
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LIVE MY OWN LIFE
IN MY OWN WAY.
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THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS
I REGRET --
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THE WAY I USED TO ACT
AND TREAT PEOPLE.
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I DON'T EVEN LIKE IT ONE MINUTE.
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I WAS 32 YEARS OLD,
AND I WORK IN CONSTRUCTION.
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I FELT GOOD, BUT IT'S JUST
THE DRUGS GOT A HOLD OF ME.
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YOU WANT SOME OF THIS?
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A COUPLE OF GUYS
INTRODUCED ME TO METH.
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TAKING THIS DRUG
GAVE ME A BAD ATTITUDE.
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THIS IS MY HOUSE.
THESE ARE MY RULES.
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HEY, MAN,
I'M SORRY, DUDE.
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YEAH, OKAY, WELL,
DON'T BE SORRY. JUST STOP IT.
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GOT ME TO THINKING THAT
I WAS BETTER THAN EVERYBODY.
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GET YOUR FOOT OFF MY NECK,
YOU KNOW?
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YOU'RE CHOKING ME.
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AND IT ROBBED ME
OF ALMOST EVERYTHING.
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PREACHERS
WOULD COME TO ME...
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ALL RIGHT, WHAT?
GOD BLESS YOU, SIR.
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THANK YOU
FOR GIVING ME A MOMENT
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TO TELL YOU
ABOUT THE LORD'S WORK.
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...AND TELL ME THAT GOD
WANTS YOU TO MAKE A CHOICE...
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GET OUT OF HERE.
LEAVE.
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...LIFE,
OR YOU WANT MONEY.
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GOD BLESS YOU.
GET OUT OF HERE.
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AND OUT OF IGNORANCE,
I CHOSE MONEY.
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IT WAS JULY 2 OF 1995
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THAT I OVERDOSED ON METH
IN MY OWN HOME.
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I REMEMBER THAT DAY.
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WE WERE UNDER A LOT OF STRESS.
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I WASN'T WORKING,
MY WIFE WASN'T WORKING.
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I WAS WATCHING TV
WITH MY KIDS,
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AND I'M THINKING,
"I'LL GO TAKE ONE MORE LINE,"
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SO I WENT IN THE BEDROOM.
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I TOOK ONE MORE LINE,
THAT'S WHEN THIS ALL STARTED.
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AS SOON AS I TOOK THAT LINE,
I KNEW I TOOK TOO MUCH
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BECAUSE MY HEART BEGAN
TO RUN OUT OF CONTROL,
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AND I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
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[ GROANS ]
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Sam: AS THEO LAY ON THE BED,
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THE STIMULANTS
IN THE METHAMPHETAMINE
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BLASTED THROUGH HIS SYSTEM,
CAUSING HIS HEART
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TO PUMP RAPIDLY THROUGH
THE NARROWING BLOOD VESSELS.
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WHAT WAS THE LAST THING
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THAT ACTUALLY YOU REMEMBER
BEFORE YOU DIED?
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WELL, THE LAST THING I REMEMBER
IS I LAID ON MY BED,
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AND I ASKED MY WIFE
TO GET ME MY BIBLE.
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[ GASPING ]
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I WENT
STRAIGHT TO THE BEDROOM,
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AND MY HEART WAS BEATING
SO FAST.
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DEB!
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I LAID DOWN.
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I TOLD MY WIFE, "LOOK FOR
MY BIBLE, LOOK FOR MY BIBLE."
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Debbie:
STOP, PLEASE, THEO.
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I TOLD MY WIFE, I SAID,
"SOMETHING'S WRONG.
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I THINK I'M GONNA DIE."
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I WASN'T READY TO DIE,
BUT I KNEW I WAS GONNA DIE.
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LOOK AT ME.
DON'T LEAVE ME.
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AND I TRIED TO REPENT
AT THE LAST MOMENT.
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HONEY!
OH, LORD, SAVE ME.
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BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK.
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IT FELT LIKE
JUDGMENT WAS THERE.
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THEO. SNAP OUT OF IT,
THEO. THEO.
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IT WAS TOO LATE.
MY HEART STOPPED.
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NO!
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I REMEMBER IS THIS WORRIED LOOK
ON MY WIFE'S FACE.
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AND AFTER THAT,
I TOOK A JOURNEY THROUGH HELL.
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Rodger:
I'M DRIVING TO SOUTH HOLLAND,
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A VILLAGE OUTSIDE
OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS,
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TO MEET WITH 64-YEAR-OLD
ARTHUR VEAL.
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FROM WHAT I KNOW,
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ARTHUR USED TO LEAD
A VERY PROFITABLE LIFE OF CRIME
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BEFORE HE WAS INCARCERATED
BACK IN 2002.
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THOUGH HE NEVER USED TO BE
A RELIGIOUS MAN,
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ARTHUR'S LIFE
HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY
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SINCE HIS EXPERIENCE
WITH THE AFTERLIFE.
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HELLO, ARTHUR.
I'M RODGER.
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THANKS FOR MEETING ME.
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WE'RE MEETING
AT THE CHURCH HE NOW ATTENDS --
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A PLACE HE DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF
DURING HIS CRIMINAL DAYS.
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BEFORE YOU DIED IN 2012,
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YOU SAID YOU WERE LIVING
A PRETTY IMMORAL LIFE.
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I LIVED ON THE LEFT SIDE
MORE THAN I DID THE RIGHT.
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
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I WAS WHAT THEY CALL
IN THE STREETS A HUSTLER.
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I KIND OF WORSHIPED MONEY
TOO MUCH.
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I'D GO TO BED
THINKING ABOUT GETTING MONEY,
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AND I'D WAKE UP THINKING
ABOUT GETTING MONEY.
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I SPENT ALL DAY
COUNTING MONEY.
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SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
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I BROKE THE LAW
QUITE A BIT.
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I TREATED PEOPLE BADLY.
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SO, I HAD ISSUES.
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SO, TELL ME A BIT
ABOUT YOUR HEART PROBLEMS.
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WHAT EXACTLY
DID YOU GO THROUGH?
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WELL, BASICALLY,
I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL
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FOR JUST
A NORMAL PROCEDURE.
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UNFORTUNATELY,
IT'S NOT LOOKING SO GOOD.
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Arthur:
I HAD TO COME IN ONE MORNING
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'CAUSE I'VE GOT
CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE.
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THEY WAS DOING A PROCEDURE,
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AND THEY GO DOWN
AND TAKE A PICTURE OF THE HEART.
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ONCE THEY TOOK A PICTURE
OF THE HEART,
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THEY TOLD ME THEY HAD TO
OPERATE, LIKE, RIGHT AWAY.
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Rodger: PICTURES OF ARTHUR'S
HEART SHOW FLUID BUILD-UP,
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WHICH IS A FAIRLY COMMON RESULT
OF CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE,
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BUT IN ARTHUR'S CASE,
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IT HAPPENED AT
AN EXTREMELY ACCELERATED RATE.
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[ SIGHS ]
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WITHOUT IMMEDIATE SURGERY,
ARTHUR WOULD SURELY DIE.
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Arthur:
THEY PREPPED ME THAT DAY,
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AND THEY OPERATED ON ME
THE NEXT MORNING.
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[ MONITOR BEEPING STEADILY ]
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DURING THE PROCEDURE,
MY HEART STOPPED.
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[ FLATLINE ]
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AND THEY COULDN'T
GET IT BACK GOING.
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Man:
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN DOWN?
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Woman:
13 MINUTES, NO PULSE.
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THEY START PUMPING ON THE HEART,
TRYING TO GET ME BACK.
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THEY COULDN'T BRING IT BACK.
27 MINUTES, DOCTOR.
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THEY STAYED WITH ME
FOR 45 MINUTES,
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TRYING TO BRING ME BACK.
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THEN THEY FINALLY
CALLED IT QUITS.
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MY HEART STOPPED BEATING,
AND I WAS OFFICIALLY DEAD.
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[ SIGHS ]
I'M GONNA CALL THIS ONE IN.
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TIME OF DEATH -- 18:45.
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AND THAT WAS IT.
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NEXT THING I KNOW,
I'M ON THE TRIP.
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IT WASN'T A DREAM I WAS IN,
IT WAS JUDGMENT DAY.
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I TOOK
A JOURNEY THROUGH HELL.
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YOU ACTUALLY WENT TO HELL?
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I COULD ACTUALLY SEE
THE LAKE OF FIRE.
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[ FLATLINE ]
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**
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Sam: THEO NEZ HAS ATTRACTED
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THE ATTENTION
OF "PROJECT AFTERLIFE."
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IN 2004, THE FATHER OF 2
OVERDOSED ON METHAMPHETAMINES
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INSIDE HIS NAVAJO RESERVATION
HOME IN NEW MEXICO.
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THE OVERDOSE WAS FATAL.
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THE LAST THING I REMEMBER
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IS THIS WORRIED LOOK
ON MY WIFE'S FACE.
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AND AFTER THAT,
I TOOK A JOURNEY THROUGH HELL.
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YOU ACTUALLY WENT TO HELL?
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YES, ALL THE THINGS
THAT I SEEN IS --
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WORDS CANNOT EXPLAIN, SAM.
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Theo: THE FIRST THING I SAW
WAS THREE DEMONS.
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THEY JUST CAME OUT OF MY HEART,
LAUGHING, TALKING,
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"WE GOT HIM.
WE GOT HIM."
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WHEN MY HEART STOPPED,
I LITERALLY CAME OUT OF MY BODY.
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I STOOD UP.
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I COULD SEE MY BODY, AND MY WIFE
HOLDING MY HAND, PRAYING.
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AND AS I STOOD UP,
I HEARD A VOICE BEHIND ME.
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JESUS SHOWED UP.
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HE SAID, "MY SON."
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AND I TURNED AROUND, IT WAS HIM.
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WHEN HE REACHED OUT,
I COULD SEE SCARS ON HIM.
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IT'S WHEN HE SAID,
"I'VE GOT MUCH TO SHOW YOU.
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YOU GOT MUCH TO SEE."
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AND I STARTED TO WALK WITH HIM.
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WE WERE WALKING ON A PATHWAY
THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE EARTH.
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AS WE WERE WALKING,
I'M HOLDING JESUS' HAND,
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JUST LIKE A LITTLE CHILD
HOLDING DADDY'S HAND.
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I COULD SEE DEMONS,
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AND I COULD SEE THEM
REACHING OUT, GRABBING FOR ME.
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THEY COME THIS CLOSE,
BUT THEY COULDN'T GRAB ME
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BECAUSE I WAS WITH --
JESUS WAS THE LIGHT.
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WE COME TO A LEDGE WHERE
I COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE LEDGE.
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IT WAS A LAKE OF FIRE
DOWN BELOW.
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I SAW PEOPLE THERE IN PIT AFTER
PIT, UNBEARABLE LONELINESS.
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THERE'S NO HOPE.
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WHEN I WAS WALKING WITH JESUS,
WE COME UP TO A CERTAIN PIT.
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IT WAS EMPTY. AND MY MIND
IS THINKING, "WOW, AN EMPTY PIT.
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I WONDER HOW THAT HAPPENED.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE BEFORE."
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THERE WAS ONE THERE
THAT WAS EMPTY.
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AND JESUS KNEW WHAT I THINKING.
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"NO, PLEASE,
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO HELL."
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AND I STARTED TO SCREAM AND YELL
AND REPENT.
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BEFORE I COULD ASK A QUESTION,
HE TOLD ME,
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"THIS IS THE PIT
SATAN HIMSELF HAS DUG FOR YOU."
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NO!
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HE SAID,
"IT BELONGS TO YOU."
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HOW DID YOU FEEL TO KNOW
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THAT YOU HAD A RESERVED SPOT
IN HELL WAITING FOR YOU?
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IT FELT TERRIBLE.
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I MEAN,
WORDS CANNOT EXPLAIN.
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ALL THIS TIME, I THOUGHT,
"THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME."
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BUT IT DID HAPPEN TO ME.
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WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH
YOUR MIND?
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I THOUGHT
THIS WAS THE END FOR ME.
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AND I CAN FEEL
THE LONELINESS, THE SORROWS,
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THE END,
THE POINT OF NO RETURN.
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AND NOW JUDGMENT WAS
ABOUT TO BE SENTENCED.
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I WAS CRYING AND SOBBING,
BEGGING.
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I'LL DO ANYTHING,
PLEASE! PLEASE!
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NO MORE DRINKING!
NO MORE DRUGS!
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AND WHEN I WAS CRYING
AT THE FEET OF JESUS,
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TOUCHED ME
RIGHT ON MY SHOULDER,
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AND THAT'S WHEN HE SAID,
"LISTEN."
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Debbie: LORD,
HEAR MY WORDS, HEAR MY CRY.
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LORD, I NEED THEO.
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HE SAID,
"WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS?"
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I LISTENED, AND I SAID,
"LORD, THAT'S MY WIFE.
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SHE'S PRAYING."
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RESURRECT THEO.
BRING HIM BACK TO LIFE.
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BRING HIM BACK
TO HIS BOYS.
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AFTER MUCH PRAYING
AND BEGGING THAT SHE WAS DOING,
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GOD HIMSELF SPOKE TO ME,
AND I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.
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HE SAID, "MY SON, I'M GONNA
GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE
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ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PRAYER
AND THE FAITH OF YOUR WIFE."
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[ SOBS ]
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JESUS THEN TOOK ME BACK DOWN TO
WHERE MY BODY WAS LAYING IN BED,
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AND I'M STANDING OVER HERE
WATCHING MY BODY.
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JESUS TOOK MY OLD HEART OUT,
BLACK, PUT A NEW ONE IN.
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HE LOOKED AT ME.
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WITH HIS TIP OF HIS FINGER,
TOUCHED MY HEART LIKE THIS.
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MY HEART BEGAN TO RUN.
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MY EYES OPENED.
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[ GASPING ]
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THEO.
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I WAS RESURRECTED.
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SO, HOW DOES IT FEEL
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TO HAVE ESCAPED HELL
AND GET A SECOND CHANCE?
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I FEEL LIKE
I'M THE LUCKIEST MAN ALIVE.
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I WAS GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE,
ONLY BECAUSE MY WIFE WAS PRAYING
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AND HAD THE FAITH TO BELIEVE
THAT THE LORD CAN HAVE MERCY.
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YOU'RE SAYING
THAT YOUR WIFE'S PRAYERS
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IS WHAT BROUGHT YOU
BACK TO LIFE?
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YES. IF IT WASN'T FOR MY WIFE
PRAYING AND HAVING THE FAITH,
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I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE.
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HAVING EXPERIENCED
MY OWN SUCCESSFUL USE OF PRAYER
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AND PHYSICAL TOUCH TO HELP
RESURRECT SOMEONE FROM THE DEAD,
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I WANT TO KNOW IF THEO'S WIFE
DID ANYTHING SIMILAR.
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DID SHE PRAY?
DID SHE ANOINT HIM WITH OIL?
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DEBBIE HAS AGREED TO MEET
WITH ME SO I CAN FIND OUT.
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HOW YOU DOING, DEBBIE?
Debbie: HI.
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I REALLY APPRECIATE
YOU MEETING WITH ME TODAY.
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THANK YOU.
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WELL, I HAD A CHANCE
TO TALK TO YOUR HUSBAND, THEO,
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ABOUT HIS STORY,
AND HE TELLS ME
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THAT YOU PLAYED
AN IMPORTANT PART IN IT.
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I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR
YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY.
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WELL, THAT DAY
WAS VERY SAD FOR ME.
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I REMEMBER,
YOU KNOW, JUST --
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TOLD ME THAT SOMETHING'S
NOT RIGHT.
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DEB!
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Debbie:
I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM SCARED OF
ANYTHING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
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I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM AFRAID
UNTIL THAT NIGHT
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WHEN ALL THIS HAD TAKEN PLACE.
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OH, MY GOD, BABY.
THEO, THEO, WHAT'S WRONG?
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THAT'S WHEN I STARTED TO SEE
FEAR ON HIS FACE.
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"MY HEART'S RUNNING TOO FAST,"
HE SAID.
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I TOLD HIM, I SAID,
"WHAT DID YOU DO?
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HURRY, DEBBIE,
GET MY BIBLE.
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HE ASKED FOR HIS BIBLE.
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IT KIND OF SURPRISED ME.
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REALLY, IT STUNNED ME.
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IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE
I SEEN HIM ASK FOR THE BIBLE.
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I DUSTED IT OFF AS BEST I COULD,
AND I GAVE IT TO HIM.
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THAT'S WHEN
HE PUT IT ON HIS CHEST.
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HE WAS HOLDING IT FOR DEAR LIFE,
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LIKE WHEN YOU HOLD ONTO
A LIFE RAFT.
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GOD HELP ME.
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THAT'S HOW
HE WAS HOLDING THE WORD OF GOD,
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RIGHT HERE ON HIS CHEST.
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OH, LORD, SAVE ME.
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HE WAS REPENTING.
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ONCE HE HAD THE BIBLE HERE, HE
STARTED ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS.
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"FORGIVE ME,"
SEEMED LIKE A DESPERATE ATTEMPT
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WAS WHAT HE WAS DOING, THE WAY
HE WAS CLUTCHING THE BIBLE.
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AND I DID HEAR HIM
CRY OUT TO GOD.
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GOD, HELP ME, SAVE ME.
THEO, WHAT'S WRONG?
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BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT,
IT WAS ALREADY TOO LATE.
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DON'T DIE ON ME.
DON'T DIE ON ME. THEO.
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I DID SEE HIM
DRAW HIS LAST BREATH.
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THEO, STOP IT!
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WHERE DO YOU THINK
YOU WERE?
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I THINK I WAS GETTING A PREVIEW
OF HEAVEN AND HELL.
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[ FLATLINE ]
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Rodger: I'M INVESTIGATING
THE CASE OF ARTHUR VEAL.
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HE SUFFERED FROM
CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE,
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WAS OPERATED ON, AND DIED.
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ARTHUR HAD NO OXYGEN
FLOWING TO HIS BRAIN
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FOR OVER 45 MINUTES,
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BUT IT'S ARTHUR'S EXPERIENCE
IN THE AFTERLIFE
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THAT INTRIGUES ME.
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SO, AFTER YOU DIED
ON THE OPERATING TABLE,
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THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
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ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU DIE,
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A...
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[ EXHALES DEEPLY ]
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GETTING A BURDEN
OFF YOUR SHOULDER.
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Arthur: I WASN'T IN THE SAME
BODY THAT WAS ON THAT TABLE.
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I WAS IN ANOTHER BODY,
A HEALTHY BODY
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AS IF I WAS 21, 22 YEARS OLD.
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I HAD ALL MY SENSES.
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I COULD HEAR, SMELL, SEE.
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I MET THIS PERSON.
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HE WAS TALL,
DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
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I DIDN'T ASK HIM WHO HE WAS,
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BUT I KNEW I WAS SUPPOSED TO
FOLLOW HIM.
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I JUST FIGURED IT WAS PART
OF THE PROCEDURE YOU GO THROUGH
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AFTER YOU DIE.
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I REMEMBER THE SPIRIT TAKING ME
TO A LARGE BODY OF WATER.
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THERE WAS A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE
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BETWEEN THE LEFT SIDE AND THE
RIGHT SIDE -- BIG DIFFERENCE.
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LEFT SIDE, MOSTLY THE WALLS
AND EVERYTHING WAS BLACK.
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LOOKED LIKE LOST SOULS
WAS CONDEMNED TO BE TORTURED.
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RIGHT SIDE LOOKED LIKE GOD
HAD OPENED THE DOOR FOR THEM,
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AND THEN LIVED THE REST
OF THEY LIFE SATISFIED.
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IT WAS LIKE
LOOKING AT A SPRING DAY.
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EVERYTHING WAS NICE.
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IT WAS A STREAM RUNNING THROUGH
WITH NOTHING BUT SPIRITS,
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AND SOME OF THE SPIRITS...
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SAID, "NOT THAT ONE."
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SO, YOU WERE
STANDING THERE
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ON THE EDGE
OF THIS BODY OF WATER.
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WHERE DO YOU THINK
YOU WERE?
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I THINK I WAS GETTING A PREVIEW
OF HEAVEN AND HELL.
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I FIGURED
NO WAY I'M GOING TO THE RIGHT.
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00:21:42,633 --> 00:21:45,167
SO, YOU'RE STANDING THERE
BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL,
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THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
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ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I WAS IN ANOTHER ROOM
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THAT WAS LIKE A BIG FLOOR,
CHECKERED FLOOR.
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00:21:55,767 --> 00:22:00,667
AND I COULD KIND OF SEE
MY PEOPLE LOOKING DOWN ON ME.
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00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:04,667
JUST LIKE I COULD LOOK UP
AND SEE THE CEILING.
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I COULD LOOK UP
LIKE THROUGH A GLASS WINDOW
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00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:11,433
AND SEE ALL MY FAMILY
AROUND ME -- FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
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00:22:11,433 --> 00:22:14,900
I HEAR MY GRANDBABY LAUGHING,
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MY WIFE CRYING,
BUT THEY WERE PRAYING.
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BRING HIM
BACK TO US, GOD.
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I HEAR THEM PRAYING,
HOLDING HANDS,
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AND I SAID TO MYSELF,
"I'M DEAD ALREADY.
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YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GO HOME.
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00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,333
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS
PRAYING OVER A DEAD BODY."
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THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, POP,
I WAS BACK IN MY BODY.
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BABY.
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THE FIRST PERSON I SAW WHEN
I OPENED MY EYES WAS MY WIFE.
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SO, YOU WERE DEAD FOR
45 MINUTES, AND YOU CAME BACK?
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AND I CAME BACK.
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WHEN YOU WOKE UP,
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DID YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
TO YOU RIGHT AWAY?
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YES, THAT'S ALL
I COULD THINK ABOUT.
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00:22:51,467 --> 00:22:55,533
FIRST, I WOULD TRY TO
DISREGARD IT JUST AS A DREAM,
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BUT THEN IT WOULD COME TO MIND,
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I SAID, "YOU KNOW
THAT WASN'T NO DREAM."
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00:22:59,233 --> 00:23:02,600
AND I KNEW
IT WASN'T A DREAM.
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00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,767
SO, WAS THERE ANYBODY
BACK IN THE REAL WORLD
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WORKING TO BRING YOU
BACK FROM THE DEAD?
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00:23:07,133 --> 00:23:11,333
WELL, MY GRANDSON, SEAN,
SWEARS HE SPEAKS TO GOD,
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00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:15,833
AND GOD SPEAKS TO HIM,
AND HE WAS PRAYING FOR ME.
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00:23:15,833 --> 00:23:18,500
THE STORY MIGHT NOT MEAN NOTHING
TO A LOT OF PEOPLE,
432
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,367
BUT IT MEANT
SOMETHING TO ME.
433
00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:23,733
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
IN STORE FOR ONCE YOU DIE.
434
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Rodger:
ARTHUR IS LUCKY TO BE ALIVE.
435
00:23:28,933 --> 00:23:30,167
CODING FOR 45 MINUTES
436
00:23:30,167 --> 00:23:32,433
WHILE DOCTORS WORKED
TO RESUSCITATE HIM
437
00:23:32,433 --> 00:23:34,767
SHOULD HAVE LEFT ARTHUR
WITH BRAIN DAMAGE.
438
00:23:38,233 --> 00:23:41,367
DESPITE THE ODDS,
ARTHUR'S GRANDSON SEAN
439
00:23:41,367 --> 00:23:43,467
FELT SOMETHING MORE
NEEDED TO BE DONE.
440
00:23:45,767 --> 00:23:47,567
SO, I HAVE ARRANGED
TO MEET WITH SEAN
441
00:23:47,567 --> 00:23:50,100
TO HEAR
HIS SIDE OF THE STORY.
442
00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:52,200
SEAN.
443
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,433
THANKS FOR
MEETING ME HERE.
444
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:54,567
SO, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED
THAT DAY.
445
00:23:54,567 --> 00:23:58,067
WELL, MY GRANDFATHER,
HE DIED.
446
00:23:58,067 --> 00:24:00,100
HE DIED FOR 45 MINUTES.
447
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,400
THE DAY HE WENT IN
FOR THE ROUTINE PROCEDURE,
448
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,267
EVERYONE THOUGHT
IT WAS GONNA BE AN EASY BREEZE,
449
00:24:08,267 --> 00:24:10,633
YOU KNOW, AND THAT HE WOULD
RETURN HOME THAT EVENING.
450
00:24:10,633 --> 00:24:11,967
HEY, GRANDMA, WHAT'S UP?
451
00:24:11,967 --> 00:24:13,233
THEN MY GRANDMOTHER CALLED ME
452
00:24:13,233 --> 00:24:15,633
AND TOLD ME THINGS DIDN'T GO
AS THEY HAD PLANNED,
453
00:24:15,633 --> 00:24:18,767
AND HE HAD TO HAVE
AN EMERGENCY SURGERY.
454
00:24:18,767 --> 00:24:20,533
WOMAN:
An infection in his heart!
455
00:24:20,533 --> 00:24:23,800
I COULD INITIALLY HEAR
THE SORROW IN HER VOICE,
456
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,867
AND I COULD HEAR
THAT SHE WAS AFRAID.
457
00:24:25,867 --> 00:24:28,800
OKAY, GRANDMA, I'LL BE THERE
SOON. I'LL BE THERE SOON.
458
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,067
IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS HAD WENT
IN TOTAL DISARRAY VERY QUICKLY.
459
00:24:32,067 --> 00:24:34,267
INFECTION HAD SET UP.
460
00:24:34,267 --> 00:24:35,433
WE'RE FIGHTING
THE INFECTION.
461
00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:37,567
THE DOCTOR'S
STILL IN SURGERY.
462
00:24:37,567 --> 00:24:41,367
AND ONCE THE INFECTION SET UP,
SLOWLY BUT SURELY,
463
00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:44,333
SOME OF HIS ORGANS
WERE STARTING TO SHUT DOWN.
464
00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:47,667
IT WAS LIKE BAD NEWS
AFTER BAD NEWS WAS COMING.
465
00:24:50,933 --> 00:24:54,400
MY WHOLE FAMILY,
FROM MY MOTHER TO MY SISTER
466
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,567
TO MY COUSINS, MY AUNTIES.
467
00:24:56,567 --> 00:24:58,267
I MEAN, THE WHOLE FAMILY --
468
00:24:58,267 --> 00:25:00,533
I MEAN, WE TOOK OVER
THE WAITING ROOM.
469
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:02,833
WE'VE ALL PRAYED.
470
00:25:02,833 --> 00:25:06,200
I'VE EVEN MET THESE
TWO KIND STRANGERS OVER THERE,
471
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,800
AND THEY'RE EVEN PRAYING.
472
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,133
PEOPLE WERE CAMPED OUT THERE
CONSTANTLY.
473
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,567
YOU KNOW,
WE'RE NOT LEAVING.
474
00:25:11,567 --> 00:25:14,800
IS THERE ANYTHING TOO HARD
FOR THE LORD?
475
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,567
I JUST KEPT PRAYING THAT HE
WOULD JUST KEEP FIGHTING,
476
00:25:18,567 --> 00:25:20,967
AND ALL WE HAD WAS PRAYER.
477
00:25:20,967 --> 00:25:23,200
WE NEED YOU, DEAR LORD,
WE NEED YOU.
478
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,533
WE PRAYED
IN THE WAITING AREA.
479
00:25:26,533 --> 00:25:29,833
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE
A CONSTANT PRAYER VIGIL.
480
00:25:29,833 --> 00:25:34,267
WE ASK YOU TO GIVE US THE SPIRIT
OF SERENITY AND JUST CALM US.
481
00:25:34,267 --> 00:25:37,067
WE AFRAID RIGHT NOW, BUT WE KNOW
THAT YOUR WILL BE DONE.
482
00:25:37,067 --> 00:25:38,800
IT'S GONNA BE ALL RIGHT,
HEAVENLY FATHER.
483
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,933
I AM STRONG IN FAITH,
GIVING GLORY TO GOD.
484
00:25:40,933 --> 00:25:42,867
YES, LORD.
YES, GOD.
485
00:25:42,867 --> 00:25:46,200
AND I FULLY PERSUADE YOU,
LORD JESUS.
486
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,900
WE WOULD JOIN HANDS.
487
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:54,233
I MEAN, IT WAS SOME...
I MEAN, YOU HAD TO BE THERE
488
00:25:54,233 --> 00:25:57,233
TO UNDERSTAND
THE TYPE OF DEEP SOUL PRAYING
489
00:25:57,233 --> 00:25:59,467
WITH CONVICTION
THAT WAS GOING ON.
490
00:25:59,467 --> 00:26:01,767
MRS. VEAL?
491
00:26:01,767 --> 00:26:05,967
WE...TRIED FOR 45 MINUTES,
TRIED TO RESUSCITATE HIM.
492
00:26:05,967 --> 00:26:09,867
UNFORTUNATELY,
I'M SORRY.
493
00:26:09,867 --> 00:26:11,933
OH, MY GOD.
OH, MY GOD.
494
00:26:11,933 --> 00:26:15,067
THE DOCTOR SAID THAT, YOU KNOW,
BASICALLY, LIKE,
495
00:26:15,067 --> 00:26:17,633
YOU COULD JUST ABOUT SAY
YOUR GOOD-BYES.
496
00:26:17,633 --> 00:26:19,567
WAKE ME UP!
497
00:26:19,567 --> 00:26:22,300
HE HAD CODED
FOR LIKE 45 MINUTES.
498
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:25,300
SO, FOR SOMEONE TO BE
UNRESPONSIVE
499
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,133
AND CLINICALLY DEAD
FOR 45 MINUTES?
500
00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:33,067
I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH
A WRAP IN ANY SITUATION.
501
00:26:33,067 --> 00:26:34,533
Debbie: TALK TO ME!
502
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:37,667
I WAS GONNA RUN DOWN THE STREET
TO THE PAY PHONE AND CALL 911.
503
00:26:37,667 --> 00:26:39,533
WHEN I GOT TO THE BACK DOOR,
504
00:26:39,533 --> 00:26:42,067
THAT'S WHEN I HEARD A VOICE
TELL ME TO STOP.
505
00:26:42,067 --> 00:26:44,367
"CALM DOWN. STOP."
506
00:26:44,367 --> 00:26:45,400
AND I DID.
507
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,433
[ CRIES ]
508
00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:50,267
[ FLATLINE ]
509
00:26:50,267 --> 00:26:53,533
Sam: THEO NEZ
DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE.
510
00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:56,233
HIS WIFE, DEBBIE,
REMAINED AT HIS BEDSIDE,
511
00:26:56,233 --> 00:27:00,100
AND THEO ATTRIBUTES THE FACT
THAT HE IS ALIVE TO HER.
512
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,500
SO, WHAT DID HE LOOK LIKE
WHEN YOU GAVE HIM THE BIBLE?
513
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,533
YOU SAY HE WAS
CLUTCHING THE BIBLE.
514
00:27:05,533 --> 00:27:07,333
WHAT WAS THE EXPRESSION
ON HIS FACE?
515
00:27:07,333 --> 00:27:08,933
NOTHING BUT PURE FEAR.
516
00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:10,633
HE SAYS,
"MY HEART'S GONNA STOP."
517
00:27:10,633 --> 00:27:13,900
AND THAT'S WHEN I SEEN HIM
DRAW HIS HEAD BACK,
518
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:16,233
AND I SAW HIM
TAKE HIS LAST BREATH.
519
00:27:16,233 --> 00:27:18,233
WATCHING YOUR HUSBAND
TAKE HIS LAST BREATH,
520
00:27:18,233 --> 00:27:20,700
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
521
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,433
I WAS AFRAID.
I WAS SCARED.
522
00:27:23,433 --> 00:27:26,733
I...REALIZED PANIC, I KNOW.
523
00:27:26,733 --> 00:27:29,067
WERE YOU SURE HE WAS DEAD?
DID YOU CHECK HIS PULSE?
524
00:27:29,067 --> 00:27:30,333
YEAH, I DID.
525
00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:32,100
I CHECKED HIS PULSE
ON HIS NECK,
526
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,733
AND I EVEN PUT MY HAND OVER
HIS NOSE, AND THERE WAS NOTHING.
527
00:27:35,733 --> 00:27:38,600
Debbie: THEO, STOP IT!
528
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,600
Debbie: HE EXHALED, AND THEN
THAT'S WHEN I KNEW HE WAS GONE.
529
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,867
DON'T DO THIS.
530
00:27:43,867 --> 00:27:46,300
WHEN I SAW THAT HAPPEN,
I JUMPED UP.
531
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:49,200
I JUMPED UP, AND THAT'S
WHEN I RAN TO THE BACK DOOR.
532
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,300
I WAS GONNA RUN DOWN THE STREET
TO THE PAY PHONE AND CALL 911.
533
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,333
BUT WHEN I GOT TO THE BACK DOOR,
534
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:58,400
THAT'S WHEN I HEARD A VOICE
TELL ME TO STOP, CALM DOWN.
535
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,067
STOP. AND I DID.
I STOPPED.
536
00:28:02,067 --> 00:28:03,667
AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS TOLD,
537
00:28:03,667 --> 00:28:07,067
"GO BACK IN THERE,
AND I NEED YOU TO SIT DOWN."
538
00:28:07,067 --> 00:28:10,067
SO, I WENT BACK IN THE ROOM,
AND I SAT DOWN,
539
00:28:10,067 --> 00:28:12,767
AND THE VOICE TOLD ME,
"NOW PICK UP HIS HAND,"
540
00:28:12,767 --> 00:28:15,967
WHICH I DID, AND I WAS TOLD,
"START PRAYING."
541
00:28:15,967 --> 00:28:18,067
[ WHISPERING ]
542
00:28:18,067 --> 00:28:19,867
AND I STARTED TO PRAY.
543
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,100
WHO DO YOU THINK
THAT VOICE WAS?
544
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,467
I BELIEVE IT WAS
THE VOICE OF GOD.
545
00:28:28,467 --> 00:28:30,233
SO, YOU NEVER QUESTIONED
THIS VOICE?
546
00:28:30,233 --> 00:28:31,500
YOU NEVER
SECOND-GUESSED IT?
547
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,733
SOMEHOW, I HAD THIS TRUST
IN THE VOICE,
548
00:28:34,733 --> 00:28:37,200
ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS TOLD
NOT TO BE AFRAID.
549
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,067
SO, WHAT WERE YOU PRAYING?
550
00:28:39,067 --> 00:28:42,333
I QUOTED SCRIPTURES
THAT PERTAINED TO EVERY PROPHET,
551
00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:45,800
EVEN JESUS HIMSELF,
WHEN THEY RAISED THE DEAD.
552
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,567
YOU KNOW, WITH HIM
AND LAZARUS AND ELIJAH.
553
00:28:48,567 --> 00:28:50,700
PRETTY MUCH,
I QUOTED EVERY SCRIPTURE.
554
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:52,667
WHY DID YOU NOT GIVE UP
AT THIS POINT?
555
00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:56,867
WELL, I HAD TWO YOUNG BOYS,
YOU KNOW, THEY NEEDED THEIR DAD.
556
00:28:56,867 --> 00:29:00,200
AND I HAVE A LOVE FOR MY HUSBAND
THAT'S SO GREAT.
557
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,067
I DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE HIM.
558
00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:04,900
THAT WAS MY GREATEST FEAR,
LOSING HIM.
559
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,233
DID YOU REALLY BELIEVE
560
00:29:06,233 --> 00:29:08,800
THAT PRAYING WAS GONNA
ACTUALLY GONNA BRING HIM BACK?
561
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,700
YES, I DID.
I DID BELIEVE THAT, YES.
562
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,467
SO THEN, WHAT HAPPENED?
563
00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:17,500
HE HAS SO MANY THINGS
TO DO, LORD.
564
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,133
Debbie:
I GRABBED HIS LEFT HAND,
565
00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:22,600
AND I WAS HOLDING HIS HAND,
AND I STARTED TO PRAY.
566
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,867
THE LAST THING
I REMEMBER SAYING WAS,
567
00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:29,833
"WHATEVER YOU ASK IN MY NAME,
I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU."
568
00:29:29,833 --> 00:29:31,933
IF HE WOULD JUST BE ABLE
TO OPEN HIS EYES.
569
00:29:31,933 --> 00:29:35,133
THAT'S WHEN I HEARD A VOICE
TELL ME TO LOOK UP.
570
00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:39,567
AND I LOOKED UP,
AND I WAS TOLD NOT TO BE AFRAID.
571
00:29:39,567 --> 00:29:41,467
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN
I LOOKED AT THEO,
572
00:29:41,467 --> 00:29:43,767
AND WE BOTH
LOOKED AT EACH OTHER.
573
00:29:43,767 --> 00:29:45,467
[ GASPING ]
574
00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:47,667
OH, THEO.
575
00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:49,767
I REALIZED HE WAS ALIVE.
576
00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:52,067
HE WASN'T TAKEN FROM ME.
577
00:29:52,067 --> 00:29:54,267
I REMEMBER JUMPING UP
AND TELLING HIM,
578
00:29:54,267 --> 00:29:56,233
"ARE YOU OKAY?
ARE YOU OKAY?"
579
00:29:56,233 --> 00:29:57,700
HE WANTED TO GET UP.
580
00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:01,067
THAT'S WHEN I STOOD OVER HIM
TO PULL HIM UP, TO HELP HIM UP.
581
00:30:01,067 --> 00:30:03,833
I REMEMBER MOVING THE BIBLE
OFF TO THE SIDE,
582
00:30:03,833 --> 00:30:05,300
AND THAT'S WHEN I SEEN THE SCAB
583
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,333
RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
OF HIS CHEST.
584
00:30:07,333 --> 00:30:10,067
AND I ASKED HIM,
"DID YOU NOTICE WHAT WAS THERE?"
585
00:30:10,067 --> 00:30:12,400
AND HE SAW IT, TOO,
HE SAID HE WAS ALL SORE.
586
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,133
HIS CHEST AND PRETTY MUCH
THE WHOLE FRONT PART OF HIS BODY
587
00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:19,267
WAS LIKE A MUSCLE ACHE.
588
00:30:19,267 --> 00:30:21,100
I GOT A SECOND CHANCE.
589
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,000
[ SOBBING ]
590
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,433
HE ROLLED OFF THE BED,
HE GOT ON HIS KNEES,
591
00:30:26,433 --> 00:30:30,567
AND HE WAS PRAYING
UNTIL THE SUN CAME UP.
592
00:30:30,567 --> 00:30:33,133
[ Crying ] I'LL KEEP MY PROMISE.
THANK YOU, JESUS.
593
00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:36,067
I REMEMBER WHEN ALL THIS
HAPPENED, I STARTED PRAYING.
594
00:30:36,067 --> 00:30:37,333
I LOOKED AT THE TIME,
595
00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:39,867
AND IT WAS A LITTLE AFTER 10:00
WHEN IT HAPPENED.
596
00:30:39,867 --> 00:30:41,533
BUT WHEN HE WOKE UP FROM IT,
597
00:30:41,533 --> 00:30:44,467
HE REALIZED IT WAS
AFTER 2:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING.
598
00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:47,900
THANK YOU,
I WILL BE A BETTER MAN.
599
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,433
SO, YOU STAYED
CONSISTENTLY PRAYING
600
00:30:50,433 --> 00:30:52,233
FOR FOUR HOURS
OVER YOUR DEAD HUSBAND?
601
00:30:52,233 --> 00:30:53,400
YES, I DID.
602
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,633
HAD HE NOT WAKEN UP,
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK
603
00:30:55,633 --> 00:30:57,467
YOU WOULD HAVE CONTINUED
TO KEEP PRAYING?
604
00:30:57,467 --> 00:31:00,500
WHEN GOD TELLS YOU SOMETHING,
YOU HAVE TO TRUST HIM.
605
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,633
YOU KNOW, MAN WILL HAVE
THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING.
606
00:31:03,633 --> 00:31:05,133
MAN WILL HAVE LIMITS.
607
00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:06,867
MAN WILL HAVE DEADLINES.
608
00:31:06,867 --> 00:31:08,767
BUT WITH GOD,
THERE IS NO LIMITS.
609
00:31:08,767 --> 00:31:09,967
THERE IS NO DEADLINE.
610
00:31:09,967 --> 00:31:11,633
IF HE TOLD ME
TO PRAY ALL NIGHT,
611
00:31:11,633 --> 00:31:13,200
THEN THAT'S
WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.
612
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,167
DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT,
AT ANY TIME,
613
00:31:15,167 --> 00:31:17,267
TO TAKE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL,
GET HIM CHECKED OUT,
614
00:31:17,267 --> 00:31:19,800
KNOWING THAT HE JUST DIED
AND CAME BACK TO LIFE?
615
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,300
NO.
616
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,667
BECAUSE I BELIEVE
THAT WHEN GOD HEALS YOU,
617
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:25,333
YOU DON'T QUESTION IT.
618
00:31:25,333 --> 00:31:27,900
YOU DON'T GO BACK
AND TRY TO FIND ANSWERS.
619
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,633
YOU KNOW WHEN GOD SAYS,
"I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING,"
620
00:31:30,633 --> 00:31:33,200
HE'LL DO IT.
YOU DON'T QUESTION IT.
621
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,167
ONCE IT'S DONE,
YOU LEAVE IT ALONE.
622
00:31:37,533 --> 00:31:41,300
Sam: SIMILAR TO OTHER CASES,
DEBBIE AND THEO SEEM TO HAVE
623
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,867
A CONNECTION
THROUGH ANOTHER WORLD.
624
00:31:43,867 --> 00:31:47,300
WAS THIS CONNECTION
ALWAYS PRESENT?
625
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,167
HAS THEO CHANGED HIS WAYS
FOR GOOD?
626
00:31:51,167 --> 00:31:53,300
THEO, TELL ME,
HOW DID THIS WHOLE EXPERIENCE
627
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:54,800
CHANGE YOUR LIFE?
628
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,367
WELL,
IT TOTALLY CHANGED ME.
629
00:31:56,367 --> 00:31:58,467
I TURNED MY LIFE AROUND.
630
00:31:58,467 --> 00:32:02,400
TAUGHT ME A LOT OF THINGS,
AND THE FIRST THING IS PROBABLY
631
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,967
HOW TO LOVE PEOPLE,
HAVE AN ATTITUDE OF GRATITUDE.
632
00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:09,433
I LOOK AT LIFE
A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY NOW.
633
00:32:09,433 --> 00:32:12,567
DEBBIE, HOW DID IT HAVE
AN IMPACT ON YOU?
634
00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:15,100
I'M JUST THANKFUL
THAT MY HUSBAND'S HERE.
635
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:18,100
OUR LIVES HAVE CHANGED,
AND I'M THANKFUL THAT, YOU KNOW,
636
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:21,133
GOD GAVE ME BACK SOMETHING
THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
637
00:32:21,133 --> 00:32:23,567
I CAN NEVER LIVE WITHOUT
'CAUSE I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT HIM.
638
00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:29,300
Debbie:
WE HAVE THAT RIGHT TO QUESTION
GOD, WHY DID THIS HAPPEN?
639
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,767
MAYBE IT'S GOD'S WAY
OF TRYING TO TELL US,
640
00:32:31,767 --> 00:32:36,700
"WAKE UP. STOP DOING
WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WAKE UP."
641
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,133
Theo:
DEATH IS NOT THE END.
642
00:32:39,133 --> 00:32:42,167
IT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING.
643
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,800
Sam: THE FACT THAT DEBBIE
NEVER CALLED FOR HELP
644
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,333
AND REMAINED BY HER HUSBAND'S
SIDE FOR OVER FOUR HOURS
645
00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:49,067
IS UNHEARD OF.
646
00:32:49,067 --> 00:32:51,267
IF THEO WAS DEAD
FOR THAT ENTIRE TIME,
647
00:32:51,267 --> 00:32:53,867
HIS ORGANS SHOULD HAVE
IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE.
648
00:32:53,867 --> 00:32:56,267
THIS CASE IS A MEDICAL ANOMALY.
649
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,733
I JUST SAID, "HE'S TOO MUCH OF
A FIGHTER TO GIVE UP LIKE THIS."
650
00:33:04,733 --> 00:33:06,300
I HAD NO OTHER WAY TO GO.
651
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,233
I COULDN'T CALL ON ANYBODY ELSE.
652
00:33:08,233 --> 00:33:10,367
I TURNED TO THE MOST HIGH.
653
00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,333
PLEASE, GOD!
654
00:33:15,533 --> 00:33:17,467
[ FLATLINE ]
655
00:33:17,467 --> 00:33:20,133
Rodger: ARTHUR VEAL DIED
ON THE OPERATING TABLE
656
00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:21,533
DUE TO HEART FAILURE.
657
00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:23,267
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658
00:33:23,267 --> 00:33:27,500
HIS GRANDSON SEAN IS CREDITED
WITH SAVING ARTHUR'S LIFE.
659
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,533
SO, YOU WERE TOLD
YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS DEAD.
660
00:33:30,533 --> 00:33:31,833
YES.
661
00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:35,267
Sean: I REMEMBER
ONE OF THE DOCTORS TELLING US
662
00:33:35,267 --> 00:33:40,100
THAT IT WAS GONNA TAKE A MIRACLE
FOR HIM TO COME BACK.
663
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,167
SO, WE ASKED GOD FOR A MIRACLE.
664
00:33:43,167 --> 00:33:45,133
AND YOU DECIDED
TO GO BACK IN THE ROOM
665
00:33:45,133 --> 00:33:47,433
TO TRY TO BRING HIM
BACK TO LIFE.
666
00:33:47,433 --> 00:33:49,367
YES.
THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
667
00:33:49,367 --> 00:33:51,367
I WENT TO HIS BEDSIDE.
668
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:59,433
I JUST SAID, "HE'S TOO MUCH OF
A FIGHTER TO GIVE UP LIKE THIS,"
669
00:33:59,433 --> 00:34:03,800
AND "YOU'VE COME THROUGH TOO
MANY THINGS, TOO MANY HARDSHIPS
670
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,067
TO LET THIS BE THE END."
671
00:34:06,067 --> 00:34:10,067
I SAID, "I KNOW THERE HAS TO BE
MORE TO THIS LIFE THAN THIS."
672
00:34:10,067 --> 00:34:13,233
AND I HAD NO OTHER WAY TO GO.
673
00:34:13,233 --> 00:34:16,500
I COULDN'T CALL ON ANYBODY ELSE.
674
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,067
I TURNED TO THE MOST HIGH.
675
00:34:19,067 --> 00:34:20,833
PLEASE, GOD!
676
00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:24,767
I TOOK MY INDEX FINGER,
677
00:34:24,767 --> 00:34:26,800
AND I STUCK IT DOWN
IN BETWEEN HIS LEFT HAND.
678
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,167
COME ON, GRANDPA.
679
00:34:28,167 --> 00:34:32,067
I JUST ASKED GOD THAT,
WHEN I SPEAK HIS NAME,
680
00:34:32,067 --> 00:34:35,067
LET HIM RESPOND
TO THE SOUND OF MY VOICE.
681
00:34:35,067 --> 00:34:38,233
LET HIM MOVE
WHEN I COMMAND HIM TO MOVE.
682
00:34:38,233 --> 00:34:42,100
AND I SAID, "IF YOU CAN HEAR ME,
PLEASE GIVE ME A SIGN."
683
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:46,067
IF YOU CAN HEAR ME,
PLEASE GIVE ME A SIGN.
684
00:34:46,067 --> 00:34:48,733
AND HE TOOK HIS HAND,
AND HE SQUEEZED MY FINGER.
685
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:52,633
AND THEN I SAID,
"MOVE YOUR FOOT."
686
00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:55,867
AND HE MOVED HIS FOOT.
687
00:34:55,867 --> 00:34:57,500
NURSE! NURSE!
688
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,100
SO, THERE WAS A NURSE
OR SOMEONE.
689
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,567
SHE WAS WALKING OUT OF THE ROOM,
AND I CALLED TO HER.
690
00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:03,900
I SAID, "HE'S MOVING,
HE'S MOVING, HE'S RESPONSIVE."
691
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,233
THOSE ARE JUST POSTMORTEM
MUSCLE REFLEXES, SIR.
692
00:35:06,233 --> 00:35:09,133
THEY HAPPEN QUITE OFTEN
AFTER DEATH. I'M SORRY.
693
00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:12,833
I SAID,
"TURN AROUND AND LOOK."
694
00:35:12,833 --> 00:35:14,700
HE'S MOVING.
695
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:16,733
AND THEN SHE TURNED AROUND
AND LOOKED.
696
00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:18,767
THEY SEEN HE WAS BEING
RESPONSIVE AGAIN.
697
00:35:18,767 --> 00:35:20,067
DOCTOR!
698
00:35:20,067 --> 00:35:23,167
AND THEY CAME BACK IN
AND STARTED WORKING ON HIM.
699
00:35:23,167 --> 00:35:25,767
I HAVE A PULSE! LET'S GET HIM
INTO EMERGENCY SURGERY!
700
00:35:25,767 --> 00:35:27,167
HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY!
701
00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:29,300
I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO RUN OUT
INTO THE WAITING ROOM
702
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,433
AND TELL THEM THAT HE'S MOVING,
HE'S RESPONDING TO MY VOICE.
703
00:35:32,433 --> 00:35:33,933
I WAS OVERJOYED.
704
00:35:33,933 --> 00:35:35,367
I WAS THERE.
705
00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:37,767
I KNEW THAT HE STILL WASN'T
OUT THE WOODS YET,
706
00:35:37,767 --> 00:35:40,267
BUT SLOWLY BUT SURELY,
707
00:35:40,267 --> 00:35:43,567
THEY WAS TAKING MACHINES AWAY
DAILY, YOU KNOW?
708
00:35:43,567 --> 00:35:45,767
SOMETHING ELSE WOULD COME BACK
AND START WORKING,
709
00:35:45,767 --> 00:35:48,667
AND A MACHINE WOULD COME AWAY,
AND A MACHINE WOULD COME AWAY.
710
00:35:48,667 --> 00:35:51,400
GOT DOWN TO THE POINT
OF HAVING JUST ONE MACHINE.
711
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,967
YOU KNOW,
AND I EVEN HEARD THE DOCTORS
712
00:35:53,967 --> 00:35:56,133
PROFESSING THAT IT WAS
A MIRACLE.
713
00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:57,500
MR. VEAL?
714
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:58,800
HI, HOW ARE YOU FEELING?
715
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,900
NOW, DOCTORS WORK ON SCIENCE,
MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY,
716
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:04,833
AND ALL THOSE THINGS
OF THE SORT.
717
00:36:04,833 --> 00:36:07,467
BUT TO HEAR A DOCTOR PROFESS
OUT OF THEY MOUTH
718
00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:08,633
THAT IT'S A MIRACLE?
719
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,767
GOD.
720
00:36:15,067 --> 00:36:16,367
WHAT DID YOU FEEL?
721
00:36:16,367 --> 00:36:18,867
COULD YOU FEEL A POWER
IN THE ROOM?
722
00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:21,633
I FELT POWER ALL AROUND ME,
TO BE TRUTHFUL WITH YOU.
723
00:36:21,633 --> 00:36:24,067
WAS IT LIKE ELECTRICITY
OR ENERGY? DESCRIBE THAT.
724
00:36:24,067 --> 00:36:26,167
IT'S ALMOST
UNDESCRIBABLE.
725
00:36:26,167 --> 00:36:29,233
I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE NOBODY
HAS TO BE IN THAT SITUATION,
726
00:36:29,233 --> 00:36:31,500
BUT IF YOU EVER WERE
IN THAT SITUATION,
727
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,633
IT'S JUST MIRACULOUS.
728
00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:39,733
IT CHOKES ME UP
TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
729
00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:41,167
IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT IT,
730
00:36:41,167 --> 00:36:44,767
BUT I'M JUST SO THANKFUL TO GOD
THAT HE ANSWERED MY PRAYERS.
731
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,167
Rodger: BOTH ARTHUR AND SEAN
TRULY BELIEVE
732
00:36:53,167 --> 00:36:55,400
THEY HAVE BEEN TOUCHED
BY THE AFTERLIFE.
733
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,867
ARTHUR'S FORMER LIFE
AS A CRIMINAL IS OVER,
734
00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:01,267
AND HE HAS HIS GRANDSON
TO THANK FOR THAT.
735
00:37:01,267 --> 00:37:04,700
AS AN ORDAINED MINISTER,
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CONNECTION
736
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,067
BETWEEN RELIGION
AND RESURRECTION.
737
00:37:07,067 --> 00:37:08,433
WOULD ARTHUR STILL BE HERE
738
00:37:08,433 --> 00:37:10,400
WITHOUT THE FAITH
OF HIS GRANDSON?
739
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,367
KNOWING ARTHUR'S PAST,
IS RELIGION EVEN A FACTOR?
740
00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:17,567
ARTHUR'S DESCRIBING
HIS AFTERLIFE EXPERIENCE,
741
00:37:17,567 --> 00:37:20,133
AND HE'S DESCRIBING
SHEOL TO ME.
742
00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:23,100
SHEOL IS THE LAND OF THE DEAD,
THE LAND OF SILENCE,
743
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,133
WHERE THE RIGHTEOUS
AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS GO
744
00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:26,633
TO AWAIT JUDGMENT.
745
00:37:26,633 --> 00:37:27,900
THAT'S WHERE HE WENT.
746
00:37:30,133 --> 00:37:32,433
FOR MORE "PROJECT AFTERLIFE,"
GO TO...
747
00:37:39,167 --> 00:37:41,467
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748
00:37:41,467 --> 00:37:43,500
Rodger: ARTHUR VEAL DIED
749
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,567
FROM COMPLICATIONS
DURING HEART SURGERY
750
00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:49,700
AND HAD NO OXYGEN FLOWING TO
HIS BRAIN FOR OVER 45 MINUTES.
751
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,867
HIS GRANDSON SEAN
CONTINUED TO PRAY
752
00:37:52,867 --> 00:37:55,100
AND EVENTUALLY
HELD HIS GRANDFATHER'S HAND
753
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:56,533
WHILE PLEADING WITH GOD.
754
00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:58,067
PLEASE, GOD!
755
00:37:58,067 --> 00:37:59,767
ARTHUR REGAINED CONSCIOUSNESS
756
00:37:59,767 --> 00:38:03,300
AND HAS NO BRAIN DAMAGE
FROM THE LACK OF OXYGEN.
757
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:07,600
DID SEAN'S INTERVENTION
BRING HIS GRANDFATHER BACK?
758
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,867
DID ARTHUR'S
AFTERLIFE EXPERIENCE
759
00:38:09,867 --> 00:38:12,067
REFLECT THE LIFE
HE USED TO LEAD?
760
00:38:12,067 --> 00:38:15,200
SO, YOU TWO HAD QUITE
AN AMAZING THING HAPPEN TO YOU.
761
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,533
HOW DID THIS EXPERIENCE
CHANGE YOUR LIVES?
762
00:38:17,533 --> 00:38:21,333
WELL, IN THE MIRACLES
YOU THINK YOU DON'T SEE,
763
00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:23,400
YOU SEE EVERY DAY.
764
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,067
AND YOU LEARN
TO APPRECIATE LIFE MORE.
765
00:38:27,067 --> 00:38:30,333
NOBODY WANTS TO DIE,
766
00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:33,133
BUT IF YOU
LIVE YOUR LIFE RIGHT,
767
00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:35,133
YOU SHOULDN'T
BE AFRAID TO DIE.
768
00:38:35,133 --> 00:38:38,067
'CAUSE I DID THINGS THAT AFFECT
OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES,
769
00:38:38,067 --> 00:38:40,067
AND I KNEW IT.
770
00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:43,767
THEN IT WAS JUST, GET THE MONEY,
GET THE MONEY.
771
00:38:43,767 --> 00:38:48,367
GOD SAW SOMETHING IN ME
THAT WAS REDEEMABLE.
772
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:52,600
DOES THIS WHOLE EXPERIENCE
773
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,933
MAKE YOU BOTH BELIEVE
RESURRECTION IS POSSIBLE?
774
00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:56,700
MOST DEFINITELY.
NO DOUBT.
775
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:58,267
I SAW IT.
776
00:38:58,267 --> 00:38:59,567
NO DOUBT.
777
00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:01,933
ANY TIME THAT YOU ALMOST LOSE
A LOVED ONE,
778
00:39:01,933 --> 00:39:06,933
AND GOD DEEMS YOU TO HAVE THEM
WITH YOU FOR MORE TIME,
779
00:39:06,933 --> 00:39:09,433
ANYBODY SHOULD HAVE
A GREATER APPRECIATION.
780
00:39:09,433 --> 00:39:11,100
WHAT DO YOU SAY
TO THE PEOPLE
781
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,133
THAT THINK RESURRECTION
IS IMPOSSIBLE?
782
00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:14,467
WHAT WORDS
DO YOU HAVE FOR THEM?
783
00:39:14,467 --> 00:39:16,467
I DON'T TRY
TO CONVERT PEOPLE.
784
00:39:16,467 --> 00:39:19,200
I TELL THEM
WHAT I EXPERIENCED,
785
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,900
AND THEY USE IT
AS THEY WANT TO USE IT.
786
00:39:29,233 --> 00:39:31,533
Johnny: SO, SAM,
THIS THEO NEZ CASE,
787
00:39:31,533 --> 00:39:35,267
WHAT IS THE KEY TO RESURRECTION
IN THIS CASE?
788
00:39:35,267 --> 00:39:37,833
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS
HIS WIFE'S PRAYERS.
789
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:40,600
I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT THEO PLAYED A PART
790
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,067
IN COMING BACK
MORE THAN HIS WIFE.
791
00:39:43,067 --> 00:39:46,067
I MEAN,
EVEN GOD HIMSELF TOLD THEO
792
00:39:46,067 --> 00:39:49,200
TO LISTEN TO HIS WIFE PRAYING
WHILE HE WAS IN HELL.
793
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,333
"IT'S BECAUSE
OF YOUR WIFE'S PRAYERS,
794
00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:54,900
I'M GIVING YOU A SECOND CHANCE
TO GO AND DO MY WORK."
795
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:56,200
SO, IT'S
THE POWER OF PRAYER.
796
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,067
YOU LOOK AT
THE WHOLE CASE --
797
00:39:58,067 --> 00:40:01,700
A MAN WHO DIED IN DISOBEDIENCE
GET A SECOND CHANCE.
798
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:04,133
AND NOW HE'S ALIVE
AND LIVING IN OBEDIENCE
799
00:40:04,133 --> 00:40:07,100
AND SHARING A MESSAGE
OF COMING BACK TO LIFE.
800
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:09,967
Jesse:
RODGER, ARTHUR VEAL.
801
00:40:09,967 --> 00:40:13,067
SITTING DOWN WITH ARTHUR
WAS INCREDIBLE.
802
00:40:13,067 --> 00:40:16,267
THIS GUY --
COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION.
803
00:40:16,267 --> 00:40:19,367
WHAT HE SAW
CHANGED HIS LIFE RADICALLY.
804
00:40:21,333 --> 00:40:24,267
HE WAS INVOLVED
IN A MAJOR CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
805
00:40:24,267 --> 00:40:25,733
HE WAS
A TRUE ENTREPRENEUR.
806
00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:27,500
OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH,
HE SAYS,
807
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:30,800
"I WOULD RATHER
LIVE ON THE STREET,
808
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,533
SLEEPING ON THE STREET
AS A HOMELESS MAN
809
00:40:33,533 --> 00:40:35,367
THAN MAKE
THAT MUCH MONEY A WEEK
810
00:40:35,367 --> 00:40:38,467
IF I HAD TO GIVE UP
THE PEACE OF MIND I NOW HAVE."
811
00:40:38,467 --> 00:40:40,000
WOW.
THAT TO ME WAS
812
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,267
THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING
ABOUT THIS CASE.
813
00:40:42,267 --> 00:40:48,367
SEAN, HIS GRANDSON, HE DID NOT
GIVE UP ON HIS GRANDFATHER.
814
00:40:48,367 --> 00:40:50,800
EVEN WHEN EVERYBODY --
ALL THE DOCTORS, ALL THE NURSES,
815
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,133
"HE'S DEAD," SEAN
GOES INTO THE ROOM -- BAM.
816
00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:58,667
THE POWER, MAN, THE POWER
THAT HE FELT, INCREDIBLE.
817
00:40:58,667 --> 00:41:00,233
THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS
OUT OF THIS STORY.
818
00:41:00,233 --> 00:41:03,667
TWO THINGS OUT OF THIS CASE THAT
I FIND THE MOST FASCINATING.
819
00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:05,900
BUT WHAT WAS
YOUR MAIN TAKEAWAY?
820
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,600
ARTHUR'S DESCRIBING
HIS AFTERLIFE EXPERIENCE,
821
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,800
AND HE'S SITTING THERE,
AND HE'S DESCRIBING SHEOL TO ME,
822
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,900
ANCIENT HEBREW TEXT
AND THE OLD TESTAMENT.
823
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,400
SHEOL IS THE LAND OF THE DEAD,
THE LAND BELOW.
824
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,267
IT'S DIVIDED
INTO TWO SIDES.
825
00:41:22,267 --> 00:41:24,700
YOU HAVE THE RIGHTEOUS SIDE
AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS SIDE.
826
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:26,833
THEY'RE BOTH AWAITING
FINAL JUDGMENT.
827
00:41:26,833 --> 00:41:29,367
THEY'RE DIVIDED
BY THIS RIVER OF SOULS.
828
00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:31,267
THAT'S WHERE HE WENT.
829
00:41:31,267 --> 00:41:34,933
COMING FROM A MAN WHO KNEW
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT.
830
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:36,367
THAT'S GREAT.
YEAH.
831
00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:37,467
WOW.
832
00:41:37,467 --> 00:41:41,067
BOTH OF THESE CASES
SHARE A COMMON THREAD.
833
00:41:41,067 --> 00:41:44,067
WE HAVE THE POWER
OF THE RIGHT HAND.
834
00:41:44,067 --> 00:41:45,800
SO, WE HAVE SEAN.
835
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,700
SEAN STOOD
ON ARTHUR'S LEFT SIDE
836
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:52,933
AND STUCK HIS RIGHT FINGER
INTO HIS GRANDPA'S LEFT HAND.
837
00:41:52,933 --> 00:41:57,167
WE HAVE DEBBIE, WHO HELD ONTO
THEO WITH HER RIGHT HAND.
838
00:41:57,167 --> 00:42:00,800
THIS IS AN AMAZING COMMONALITY
BETWEEN BOTH CASES.
839
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,500
RIGHT HAND IS THE POWER HAND.
IT'S THE HAND OF BLESSING.
840
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:07,067
YEAH, I MEAN, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
AND IN BIBLICAL SYMBOLISM,
841
00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:10,167
THE RIGHT HAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN
A SYMBOL OF POWER, AUTHORITY.
842
00:42:10,167 --> 00:42:13,167
SEEING IT HERE, IT'S MORE THAN
JUST A SYMBOLIC ACT.
843
00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:15,900
THERE'S ACTUALLY A TRANSFERENCE
OF POWER TAKEN PLACE.
844
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:17,767
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THIS CASE,
845
00:42:17,767 --> 00:42:19,067
AND THIS IS SOMETHING
846
00:42:19,067 --> 00:42:20,633
THAT WE HISTORICALLY
HAVE TO TAKE NOTE OF.
847
00:42:20,633 --> 00:42:23,567
AND I CAN PERSONALLY TELL YOU
FROM EXPERIENCE,
848
00:42:23,567 --> 00:42:25,167
WHEN I PRAY FOR PEOPLE
849
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:27,267
WITH MY LEFT HAND
VERSUS MY RIGHT HAND,
850
00:42:27,267 --> 00:42:29,567
I HAVE A LOT BETTER RESULTS
WITH MY RIGHT HAND.
851
00:42:29,567 --> 00:42:32,067
THE OTHER THING
THAT I SAW WAS BOTH MEN
852
00:42:32,067 --> 00:42:35,067
COULD NOT SEE
THIS FACE OF JESUS.
853
00:42:35,067 --> 00:42:38,667
BOTH CAME FROM
KIND OF A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND.
854
00:42:38,667 --> 00:42:40,667
THEY WERE
KIND OF BAD MEN BEFORE,
855
00:42:40,667 --> 00:42:44,833
AND THEN THERE'S THIS ASPECT OF
TRANSFORMATION THAT TOOK PLACE.
856
00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:47,533
Jesse: FAITH IS UNIVERSAL.
WELL, SO IS HOPE.
857
00:42:47,533 --> 00:42:49,533
HOPE IS UNIVERSAL, OKAY?
858
00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:52,367
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
A LOVED ONE PASSING AWAY,
859
00:42:52,367 --> 00:42:56,067
THERE IS NOTHING THAT FEELS
SO OPPRESSIVE AND HEAVY
860
00:42:56,067 --> 00:42:59,067
AND HOPELESS,
FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD,
861
00:42:59,067 --> 00:43:01,367
THAN THAT MOMENT
WHEN YOU REALIZE
862
00:43:01,367 --> 00:43:03,533
THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY HELPLESS
TO DO ANYTHING.
863
00:43:03,533 --> 00:43:05,867
I FEEL LIKE CHRISTIANITY
HAS HIJACKED THIS TERM OF FAITH,
864
00:43:05,867 --> 00:43:09,133
AND NOW IT MEANS SOMETHING
THAT'S VERY RELIGIOUS.
865
00:43:09,133 --> 00:43:11,900
FAITH IS JUST SIMPLY BELIEVING
FOR SOMETHING YOU CAN'T SEE.
866
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:13,600
I DON'T FEEL LIKE
YOU HAVE TO CARRY
867
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,933
A CERTAIN SET OF BELIEFS
868
00:43:14,933 --> 00:43:17,267
IN ORDER TO SEE
SOME KIND OF RESULT,
869
00:43:17,267 --> 00:43:18,900
YOU JUST NEED TO
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WE'VE UNCOVERED
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FROM THESE CASES.
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OBVIOUSLY,
WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS.
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WE'VE GOT
SOME GREAT ANSWERS,
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AND THERE'S EVEN MORE TRUTH
OUT THERE TO UNCOVER.
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