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Dark Side of the Moon
was an expression
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of political, philosophical,
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humanitarian empathy
that was desperate to get out.
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Dark Side, I think, felt like
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the whole band
were working together.
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It was a very creative time.
We were all very open, as well.
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I think because we still had
a common goal,
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which was to become
rich and famous.
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The ideas that Roger
was exploring
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apply to every new generation.
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They still have very much
the same relevance as they had.
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Can we run back
and drop it a bit?
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Yeah, you can if you like.
Just turn it down a bit.
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I think one of the successes
of Dark Side
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is the fact that, actually,
it's very rich.
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There's a lot of songs,
a lot of ideas,
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all compressed
onto the one record.
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I can clearly remember
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that moment
of sitting and listening
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to the whole mix,
all the way through,
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and thinking "My God.
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"We've really done
something fantastic here."
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I think it has
the all-time record.
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Constantly on the charts
for nearly 750 weeks.
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About 14 years.
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It was a huge album.
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Huge not just in terms
of its sales,
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but in terms
of its influence.
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This was where
underground music,
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progressive rock, whatever,
really went mainstream.
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It was a record that had lots of
traditional pop values.
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You could sing along
to these songs. But...
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it also was the kind of thing
that took you places,
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if you wanted to listen to it
in a darkened room.
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It may very well be
the ultimate concept record,
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because the concept is there,
the songs are there,
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the spaces
and the music are there,
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but it doesn't take away
any of the imagination.
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After Syd went crazy in '68
and Dave joined,
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we were all of us searching.
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Fumbling around, looking for
"well, where do we go now?"
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Because here was the guy
who starts producing
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all these songs,
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and was the sort of heartbeat
of the band.
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Syd casts a long and large
shadow over events.
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I think that the band were
very impressive to keep going,
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actually, after the loss
of their main creative drive.
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I mean, it's not something
you'd choose, is it?
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You wouldn't say "Okay, let's
get rid of our songwriter".
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After Syd had gone,
the music became more
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kind of soundscapes than songs.
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You have to work
to your strengths.
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And it's a very good thing
that we couldn't write singles.
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We might not have done some of
the interesting work we did.
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Once Syd was out of the picture,
The Floyd just went glacial.
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They just let it all spread out.
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When I saw The Floyd
for the first time,
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it was the summer of '68.
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It was the first American tour
with David Gilmour.
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And they were
just extraordinary.
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You know, it was
Let There Be More Light,
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Set the Controls
for the Heart of the Sun,
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it was total space rock.
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I started falling
out of love with that,
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with some of that
psychedelic noodling stuff.
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We were still, then, playing
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a lot of instrumental work,
if you like,
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and that would be
half the album.
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But we were always searching
for a direction.
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You're fighting,
a little bit, between...
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Wanting to push boundaries back
a little bit
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and move forward
in an experimental way,
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but also to retain melody.
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When you get to Meddle,
quite clearly,
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Echoes shows the direction
that we're moving in.
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The rest of Meddle, as I recall,
was songs.
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And so, you know, the flipside
was a 20-minute piece.
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A, and so it was a construct,
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And B, it was the beginning
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of all the writing
about other people.
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It was the beginning
of empathy, if you like.
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You know, "Two strangers
passing in the street,
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"By chance
two passing glances meet,
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"And I am you
and what I see is me."
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It's a sort of thread
that's gone through everything,
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for me, ever since then,
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and had a big irruption
in Dark Side.
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You have to remember
the context of the time.
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This was the height
of glam rock.
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There was, you know,
Marc Bolan in T-Rex,
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and David Bowie
with Ziggy Stardust,
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peddling their sort
of pop fantasies.
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And The Floyd came along
with an album
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that was about
these weighty themes.
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He created a story.
He created...
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Basically, a theatre piece
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about what it was like
to live in the modern world.
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All four of us were there,
and there was a discussion
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about putting the album together
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and making it into
this themed...
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I mean, what is now called
a "concept album".
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There are a number of things
that impinge upon an individual,
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that colour his view
of existence.
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There are pressures that are
capable of pushing you
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in one direction or another.
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And these are some of them,
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and whether they push you
toward insanity, death, empathy,
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greed, whatever...
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There's something about
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the Newtonian view
of that physics
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that might be interesting,
and maybe that could be
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what this record is about.
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It was one of those
really good moments
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that most bands do experience,
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where everyone is onside
and everyone likes the idea
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and there's some sort
of agreement
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as to more or less
who's going to do what.
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Dark Side of the Moon started
in a rehearsal room
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in Bermondsey, I think,
that belonged...
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A warehouse, belonged
to the Rolling Stones,
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where we did
some sort of jamming,
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writing, whatever you want
to call it.
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I'm not sure how much writing
happened there.
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You know. "Let's play E minor
and A for an hour or two.
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"That sounds all right.
That'll take up five minutes."
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A lot of the musical ideas
just came up
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just sort of jamming away
in these rehearsal rooms.
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Obviously, the lyrics
Roger brought in.
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Because he had things to say.
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And it's the first time
that he wrote all the lyrics.
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Roger was our sort of
pushing, driving force.
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The way Dark Side of the Moon
articulates some sense
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of early adult disenchantment
is absolutely timeless.
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I listened to it again recently,
and it always amazes me
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that I got away with it, really,
'cause it's so lower sixth.
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You know,
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"Breathe, breathe in the air,
don't be afraid to care..."
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In fact, I think,
within the context of the music
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and within the context
of the piece as a whole,
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people are prepared to accept
that simple exultation.
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To be prepared
to stand your ground
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and attempt to live your life
in an authentic way.
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I came from jazz, basically.
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I love... That's my favourite...
That's my inspiration.
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And the interesting thing
about this song,
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talking about jazz,
there's a certain chord...
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That is totally down to a chord
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I had heard on, actually,
Miles Davis' album
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Kind of Blue, which is...
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That chord.
That chord, I just love.
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And when we were doing Breathe,
we got to G, I got to G,
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and how do you get to E again?
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Well, again, normally,
you'd go...
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But I remembered this chord,
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and I remembered
working it out at home,
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listening to the record.
And I just thought...
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Dave was brilliant
at double-tracking vocals.
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You could do it with machines,
but there's a difference.
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There's also a harmony part.
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That's it on its own.
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And back to the band.
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There's two organ parts
which come in now.
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They had been performing
this work known as Eclipse
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for a few months, I think,
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before actually even coming in
to Abbey Road
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to start the first recordings.
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Which meant the performances
were pretty tight,
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and not so hard to get.
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When you're working in a band
and you're performing something
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willy-nilly, it develops
and changes.
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In pre-bootlegging days,
this, of course,
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was a far more effective
and better way of doing things.
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You went into the studio
rehearsed up.
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We'd been playing it live
that way for quite some time,
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as a sort of guitar jam piece.
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I think we were none of us
that happy with it
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as a piece, and when
we also had this synthesiser.
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The Synth EA, which had
a little built-in keyboard,
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and it had... it was
the first sequencer, I think.
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I just plugged this up
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and started playing
one sequence on it.
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Roger immediately pricked up
his ears. "That sounded good."
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And he came out and we started
mucking with it together.
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And then he put in
a new sequence of notes,
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and it all developed
out of that.
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A series of notes,
played in slowly...
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...triggering a noise generator
and oscillators,
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and then just speed it up,
you know.
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Now you've got it, basically.
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And that, of course, immediately
sounded much more exciting
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and newer than what
we were currently doing.
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They were the first band
to really go out
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and try to, sort of,
make music of the future.
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We were doing a lot of things
with tape loops
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and curious sounds
and sound effects.
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There wasn't sampling in 1972,
when they put this together,
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but that's basically what
they were doing. In a sense,
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they were giving you a preview
of sound-pictures of the future.
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There are some very, very clever
and highly listenable
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pieces of
sonic experimentation.
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This is the main synthesiser.
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It has the hi-hat element
built in.
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Then we treat it with filters
and with other oscillators
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to give it that sort of
vibrato noise.
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And we bring in this guitar,
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which is a backwards guitar
with echo stuff on it,
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and it's being played
with a mic-stand leg,
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just sliding up it...
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And that whizzes left and right
across the stereo.
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Then there's these synthesisers,
morph synthies,
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which are creating sort of
futuristic vehicle noises,
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which you take the pitch down
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a little bit, and pan it
at the same time,
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and that creates
an artificial Doppler sound
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like ambulances
whizzing past you.
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Bring in some footsteps
and some heartbeats
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for extra tension.
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As you see, there's an awful lot
going on in this track.
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This section in particular,
the travel section,
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the On the Run section,
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I think, was pretty complicated.
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A lot of hands on deck.
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You'd always want
to put more things on
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than you had tracks for.
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So tracks would, very suddenly,
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change from one thing
to a different thing.
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All of us are on the desk
with our fingers on the faders.
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But that was the way
it was, because
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we didn't have automation
in those days.
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A mix, in those days,
was a performance,
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every bit as much
as doing a gig.
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It's one thing, actually,
that we've kind of lost
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in the modern age.
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It was very,
very well-engineered.
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It was also very,
very carefully constructed.
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So there was no sort of...
Everything was well-recorded.
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Dark Side was really
the first proper engineering job
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I'd been given with The Floyd.
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So I was pretty much
in at the deep end.
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He was very good musically,
as well.
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He also came up with
a couple of good ideas.
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I was commissioned to record
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some clocks
for a sound effects record,
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for the very early days
of quadraphonic.
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And when we were doing Time,
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he suggested we might like
to add these clocks.
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My memory of it
is just this room
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full of tapes rolling round,
because it was...
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Without any sort
of computer help,
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everything had to be
done manually.
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Getting all the clocks to chime
at the right time,
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that was a process of...
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Just finding a particular moment
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on the multi-track tape
where the chiming would happen,
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and then back-timing
all the quarter-inch originals
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which contained
each of the clocks.
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And then,
the very critical thing
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of the tapes starting
at a specific moment,
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which is all done
with hand-signs and stopwatches.
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We've got the girls making
their first appearance here.
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That's unprocessed.
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And we put this effect called
a frequency translator on them,
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which made them sound like this.
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Here's the solo.
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This one had probably
taken some shape live
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before we ever got to do it.
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But usually, in the studio,
on this sort of thing,
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you just go out and have a play
and see what comes,
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and it's usually mostly
the first take that's the best,
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and you'll find yourself
repeating yourself thereafter.
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The 1970s was the era
of the guitar.
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And he had that sort of
very blues-y sound.
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But then, also,
he had that other sound,
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that spacy, very crystalline,
almost ethereal quality.
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I suddenly realised then,
that year,
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that life was already happening.
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I think it's because my mother
was so obsessed with education
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and the idea that childhood
and adolescence and everything
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was about preparing for a life
that was going to start later.
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And I suddenly realised that
life wasn't gonna start later,
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that it, you know...
It starts at "dot".
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And it happens all the time.
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At any point,
you can grasp the reins
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and start guiding
your own destiny.
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And that was a big revelation
to me.
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I mean, it came as
quite a shock.
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One of the greatest lines,
I think,
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on Dark Side of the Moon
is Roger's line about
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"Hanging on in quiet desperation
is the English way".
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Which is the sort of line
you could imagine, I don't know,
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Evelyn Waugh,
or Somerset Maugham or someone,
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writing as an observation
on the English character.
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And I think that character
does permeate the whole record,
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and indeed the whole
of Pink Floyd's career.
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It expresses my feelings
about things very simply,
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and I think that...
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Musically... I think
that the music is to some extent
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driven by that
emotional commitment.
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The band basically wanted
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another four or five minutes
of music,
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and we thought it could be
an instrumental.
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I think I just,
as I always have done,
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I sat at the piano and I...
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And those first two chords came.
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Us and Them
and The Great Gig in the Sky,
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you know, are fabulous
chord sequences,
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and really, truly wonderful
pieces of music.
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No idea whose idea it was
to get a female singer in.
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Alan Parsons knew Clare Torry
and had been working with her,
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and said
"Why don't you try her?"
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She just went in there
and improvised over it.
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Yeah, that was amazing,
that was fantastic.
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That was done
while we were mixing.
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We knew what we wanted.
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Not exactly musically,
but we knew
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that we wanted someone to
just improvise over this piece.
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So we directed her. We said,
"Well, think about death.
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"Think about horror.
Think whatever,
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"and just go and sing."
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And my memory is
that she went out
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in the studio and did it
very, very quickly.
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And then came back in and said
"I'm really sorry", in fact,
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"about this."
Very embarrassed.
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And we were in the studio
saying "This is wonderful."
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And of course,
it's absolutely brilliant.
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Both Rick's piano and organ work
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and Clare's singing
is just incredibly moving.
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At the end,
at the very end of this
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I'm going to increase
the echo slowly.
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We always wanted to, kind of,
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not be on our covers ourselves,
not have pictures.
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It's probably the most
recognisable cover of all time.
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It's something that you can sit
and look at for a long time
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without getting fed up with it.
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The prism is the logo that
absolutely defines the record.
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Dark Side of the Moon
prism design
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comes from three
basic ingredients,
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one of which is the light show
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that the band put on.
I was trying to represent that.
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Also one of the themes
of the lyrics, which was,
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I think, about ambition
and greed.
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And thirdly it was an answer
to Rick Wright,
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who said that
he wanted something...
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Simple and bold. And dramatic.
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The presentation, as we call it,
of the design to the band
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was a fairly brief affair.
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He just brought in
three or four ideas.
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I do remember
instantly seeing the pyramid.
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They came in,
and they looked around,
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00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:35,647
and they went...
"That one."
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Everyone immediately went
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"Terrific. Great.
Let's do that."
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As epitomised by their ability
to choose it so quickly
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and so easily, I just think
it's somehow very fitting.
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I mean, it's hard to imagine it
without it, isn't it, really?
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The story in America
had been a sort of disaster,
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that, really,
we hadn't sold records.
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And like all good artists,
the first thing you do
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00:29:07,512 --> 00:29:09,617
is blame the record company.
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00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:11,854
But in this particular case,
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I think we might
get a few more people to agree
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that they hadn't
performed properly.
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00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:19,993
And so they brought in a man
called Bhaskar Menon,
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who was absolutely terrific,
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00:29:21,693 --> 00:29:24,367
and he decided
he was going to make this work,
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00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:27,171
and he was going to make
the American company
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sell this record. And he did!
368
00:29:30,035 --> 00:29:32,811
We devised
a marketing campaign for this
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00:29:32,904 --> 00:29:35,976
which was far more extensive
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than anything that the company
had ever done.
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It was an album that came after
virtually a year of touring.
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There was a tremendous amount
of credible press.
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We had, by this time,
without a single,
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got this album tremendous sales.
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Close to about 1,000,000 albums
by that stage,
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you know, which was
quite remarkable.
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00:29:56,928 --> 00:30:00,501
And I knew a time would come
when we would have to
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get onto the next stage.
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00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:06,574
To get to the next category,
or level, of audience.
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00:30:06,672 --> 00:30:09,812
We really would need
some single-like material.
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00:30:09,908 --> 00:30:13,583
They always say, you know,
"You need a hit single,"
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00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:16,023
and we had a sort of hit single
with Money.
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00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:41,283
You know, I would have
remembered writing Money
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as a sort of very blues-y thing.
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00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:48,521
I can't sing it up in
that register, but...
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00:31:21,012 --> 00:31:23,458
And it's a very
kind of transatlantic,
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00:31:23,548 --> 00:31:25,994
you know, blues-y
sort of twang to it all.
388
00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:28,598
Listening to the original demo,
it's not like that at all.
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00:31:28,687 --> 00:31:32,134
It's all very, kind of, prissy
and very English.
390
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:36,036
The one thing about Money
that I think people forget
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00:31:36,128 --> 00:31:38,005
is that it's got the weirdest...
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00:31:38,096 --> 00:31:40,576
One of the biggest hits, with
the weirdest time signature.
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00:31:40,665 --> 00:31:43,441
Very unusual, 7/8 time.
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00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:46,177
Good riff.
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00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,539
I'd played in a band with Dick
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00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:47,735
when we were sort of
teenagers in Cambridge.
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00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:50,541
Dick was sort of
part of the Cambridge Mafia.
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00:32:54,873 --> 00:32:57,046
I didn't know
any other sax players,
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00:32:57,142 --> 00:33:00,123
and I'm probably too nervous
to ask anyone we'd heard of.
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00:33:00,212 --> 00:33:01,714
He was terrific.
401
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:05,925
Well, Dick did his sax solo
in seven-time.
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00:33:06,051 --> 00:33:08,759
And then we sort of sat
and worked out
403
00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:11,198
a different sequence
for the guitar solo.
404
00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:13,360
Probably to make my life easier,
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00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:15,233
so I didn't have to think
about the timing.
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00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,738
I love the fact
that it does change.
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00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:20,002
And, you see, lots of things
happen on Dark Side
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00:33:20,131 --> 00:33:22,168
that, for me,
are kind of magical,
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00:33:22,267 --> 00:33:25,146
without us intentionally
making them happen.
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00:33:25,237 --> 00:33:27,114
They just happen.
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00:33:27,205 --> 00:33:29,446
And I think that's one of
the great things about Money,
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00:33:29,541 --> 00:33:31,748
is that it does
change time signatures.
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00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:34,221
And that's the thing.
It goes back into the 4/4,
414
00:33:34,312 --> 00:33:36,087
and all of a sudden, man,
it's rock city.
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00:34:19,925 --> 00:34:22,337
Money is an amazing single,
because it's about
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00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:25,738
the very thing that it became.
It's about success.
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00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:27,832
Something certainly
did the trick,
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00:34:27,933 --> 00:34:30,379
and it moved us up
into a super-league,
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00:34:30,468 --> 00:34:32,709
I suppose you might say.
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00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:40,351
Which brought with it
some great joy, some pride,
421
00:34:40,478 --> 00:34:42,958
and some problems.
422
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:45,254
'Course it changed our life.
423
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:47,591
We were now
a big rock 'n' roll band
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00:34:47,686 --> 00:34:49,393
playing in stadiums.
425
00:34:49,487 --> 00:34:51,330
You don't know
what you're in it for any more.
426
00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:54,870
You know, you're in it
to achieve massive success,
427
00:34:55,994 --> 00:34:58,474
and get rich and famous
and all those other things
428
00:34:58,563 --> 00:35:00,474
that go along with it.
429
00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:03,569
And when they're all
suddenly done, you're going
430
00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:06,547
"Well, why? What next?"
431
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,549
It's not to say we didn't do
some good work.
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00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,678
But the good work that we did
was actually all about
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00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:14,723
a lot of the negative aspects
of what went on
434
00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:20,058
after we'd achieved the goal.
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00:35:20,151 --> 00:35:23,291
I mean, that obviously informed
436
00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:26,369
what turned out to be
the next album, quite deeply.
437
00:35:26,491 --> 00:35:28,164
Wish You Were Here.
438
00:35:28,259 --> 00:35:30,796
'Cause we weren't, most of us,
most of the time.
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00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,876
They were
a platinum monster, and...
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00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:36,606
It's not a lot of fun.
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00:35:44,376 --> 00:35:46,014
It's sort of
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00:35:46,111 --> 00:35:49,581
amazing to me now
that we had that piece of music
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00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:54,653
in 1969, when we recorded
the music for Zabriskie Point.
444
00:35:54,753 --> 00:35:58,394
And throughout, I guess,
Atom Heart Mother,
445
00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:01,266
the Obscured by Clouds album,
the Meddle album,
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00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:04,829
we didn't dig it out and use it.
It's such a lovely piece.
447
00:36:15,874 --> 00:36:18,753
Antonioni didn't really know
what he wanted.
448
00:36:18,877 --> 00:36:21,380
He needed, desperately,
to have control.
449
00:36:21,479 --> 00:36:23,857
So even if you did
the right thing,
450
00:36:23,948 --> 00:36:26,053
and it was perfect,
he couldn't bear to accept it
451
00:36:26,151 --> 00:36:27,858
because there wasn't a choice.
452
00:36:27,952 --> 00:36:31,092
All he really wanted was
Careful with that Axe, Eugene.
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00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,226
And I think we were all getting
a bit frustrated.
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00:36:33,324 --> 00:36:34,769
"What does he want?"
455
00:36:34,893 --> 00:36:36,839
I think I was just sitting
in the studio,
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00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:38,874
and I was sitting at the piano,
457
00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:41,603
and they happened to have
this violent sequence up,
458
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,579
and I was watching it.
459
00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:47,013
Probably because I was feeling
a bit tired, or whatever,
460
00:36:47,105 --> 00:36:49,244
I just started
the chord sequence.
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00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,376
At the time, I think,
everyone thought
462
00:36:51,476 --> 00:36:53,046
"This is really good."
463
00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:57,149
When we thought we'd really got
something brilliant
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00:36:57,248 --> 00:36:58,989
for his movie,
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00:37:01,286 --> 00:37:03,061
Antonioni would say
466
00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:06,465
"ls beautiful, but is too sad."
467
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:09,164
You know?
"It makes me think of church."
468
00:37:09,294 --> 00:37:12,867
It was obviously waiting
to be reborn in this album.
469
00:37:21,272 --> 00:37:23,548
The lyrics are so direct
and linear.
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00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:25,882
Those fundamental issues
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00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:30,891
of whether or not the human race
is capable of being humane.
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00:37:33,885 --> 00:37:35,421
What's good about
the writing of this song,
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00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,500
from my point of view,
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00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:40,035
is the leaving of the gaps
for the repeat echo.
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00:37:48,867 --> 00:37:52,371
It's kind of strange, hearing it
without the echo, isn't it?
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00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:17,303
I find myself,
with instrumentalists,
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00:38:17,395 --> 00:38:19,875
over the years
working with people,
478
00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:23,571
having very, very often,
as a producer,
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00:38:23,668 --> 00:38:25,909
in my capacity
for producing records,
480
00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:29,611
having to say to people
"No, leave a hole.
481
00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:32,153
"You know, just play
for half a bar,
482
00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:35,884
"and then leave a bar and a half
free. You know, empty."
483
00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:38,221
And that's kind of
what that song is.
484
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:40,887
You know,
that's the way it works.
485
00:38:40,985 --> 00:38:43,932
The simplicity of Floyd is
almost hard to talk about,
486
00:38:44,022 --> 00:38:46,730
because it is so simple.
487
00:38:46,825 --> 00:38:51,205
Nick Mason playing
very slowly. You know, exact,
488
00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:54,003
without a lot of
489
00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:58,877
overly frilly
percussion flourishes.
490
00:38:59,604 --> 00:39:01,811
Richard's touch
on piano and organ,
491
00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:04,284
very gentle, very soft.
492
00:39:04,409 --> 00:39:08,880
But also exact, and just
hitting the notes right.
493
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,425
It was always about
leaving space.
494
00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:34,479
I think Dave and Rick,
495
00:39:34,572 --> 00:39:37,212
their harmony vocals on it
are really very affecting.
496
00:39:37,308 --> 00:39:39,618
Funnily enough,
they have very similar voices.
497
00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:42,317
Both their voices are
a big factor in Dark Side,
498
00:39:42,413 --> 00:39:44,415
the way they...
The way they blend.
499
00:39:49,153 --> 00:39:51,292
That's Dave and Rick together.
500
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:53,335
And then Rick does another part
below that,
501
00:39:53,424 --> 00:39:55,904
which you're gonna hear now.
502
00:39:55,994 --> 00:39:58,873
And then the girls
are also joining in.
503
00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:46,511
It seemed to me
really important,
504
00:40:46,611 --> 00:40:48,887
I've no idea why it did,
505
00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:52,017
to have voices on this thing.
506
00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:55,154
The only thing that was clever
about it was how to do it,
507
00:40:55,253 --> 00:40:57,790
so not to...
Not to have an interview.
508
00:40:57,922 --> 00:41:00,459
Devised, probably,
in the canteen,
509
00:41:00,591 --> 00:41:03,731
and done later that evening.
510
00:41:03,828 --> 00:41:07,605
So I wrote out a bunch of cards
with questions on them.
511
00:41:07,732 --> 00:41:10,042
I think what the voices did
on the record was,
512
00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:12,011
they actually brought out
the "Dark Side".
513
00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:14,275
They were, in a way,
the Dark Side of the Record!
514
00:41:14,405 --> 00:41:16,282
First of all, we used
a number of people
515
00:41:16,374 --> 00:41:18,684
who were in the studio with us.
So we used
516
00:41:18,776 --> 00:41:20,653
three or four
of our road crew...
517
00:41:20,745 --> 00:41:22,782
I aren't frightened
of dying at all,
518
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,019
'cause when you've gotta go,
you've gotta go.
519
00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:27,096
The Irish doorman here, Gerry.
520
00:41:27,185 --> 00:41:29,563
Why should I be frightened
of dying?
521
00:41:29,654 --> 00:41:32,134
See no reason for it.
You've got to go sometime.
522
00:41:32,256 --> 00:41:34,361
Wings were recording in here
at the same time,
523
00:41:34,459 --> 00:41:36,996
so we used Paul and Linda,
Henry McCullough...
524
00:41:37,128 --> 00:41:39,404
I don't know.
I was really drunk at the time.
525
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:42,875
It's the people who are
not used to being interviewed
526
00:41:42,967 --> 00:41:44,571
who come up with the stuff.
527
00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:48,014
I think they started off with
"What's your favourite colour?"
528
00:41:48,106 --> 00:41:51,144
And your favourite food.
And none of which was...
529
00:41:51,242 --> 00:41:52,653
it was just to get people there.
530
00:41:52,744 --> 00:41:55,122
Then they went into "When was
the last time you were violent?"
531
00:41:55,213 --> 00:41:58,422
This was the good bit. "When was
the last time you were violent?"
532
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:01,122
And then you'd take...
You'd answer it, and then
533
00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:03,995
take the next card, and it said
"Were you in the right?"
534
00:42:04,122 --> 00:42:07,797
Yeah, I was in the right.
535
00:42:07,925 --> 00:42:09,962
Yes, absolutely in the right.
536
00:42:10,094 --> 00:42:11,971
I certainly was in the right.
537
00:42:12,096 --> 00:42:15,134
Definitely. That geezer
was cruising for a bruising.
538
00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:18,874
And this remarkable roadie
called Roger The Hat.
539
00:42:19,003 --> 00:42:21,415
If I participate
in this fuckin' effort,
540
00:42:21,506 --> 00:42:24,214
I hope I'm gonna get
my gold disc at the end of it.
541
00:42:24,308 --> 00:42:26,584
Imagine that, huh?
542
00:42:26,711 --> 00:42:29,317
They tried to track him down
to do the cards,
543
00:42:29,414 --> 00:42:30,893
and by the time
they got hold of him,
544
00:42:31,015 --> 00:42:33,757
the cards had gone missing.
I don't know where they'd gone.
545
00:42:34,752 --> 00:42:37,130
So Roger Waters actually
ended up doing it...
546
00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,030
He actually did do that one
as an interview.
547
00:42:40,124 --> 00:42:42,502
Do you ever think
you're going mad, Roger?
548
00:42:45,363 --> 00:42:47,400
I once reached a stage
in my life
549
00:42:47,498 --> 00:42:50,877
when I was completely convinced
that I'd gone over the brink.
550
00:42:51,002 --> 00:42:52,675
Well, that's what
I care to call it.
551
00:43:06,684 --> 00:43:09,187
It was obviously
a bit to do with Syd, and...
552
00:43:10,988 --> 00:43:16,404
I think it's about defending
the notion of being different.
553
00:45:22,653 --> 00:45:25,099
The fundamental question
that's facing us all
554
00:45:25,189 --> 00:45:29,035
is whether or not
we're capable of dealing with
555
00:45:29,126 --> 00:45:31,037
the whole question
of "us and them".
556
00:45:31,128 --> 00:45:33,699
What he was feeling
as an individual
557
00:45:33,798 --> 00:45:38,076
mirrored almost exactly
what a lot of other people
558
00:45:38,169 --> 00:45:40,206
were feeling, at the time,
in their own lives.
559
00:45:40,304 --> 00:45:42,341
There's no question in my mind
that Dark Side of the Moon
560
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,511
was one of the most important
artistic statements
561
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:46,486
of the last 50 years, probably.
562
00:45:46,611 --> 00:45:50,491
It's touched very many people,
all over the world,
563
00:45:50,615 --> 00:45:53,357
in ways that could not simply be
put down to the fact that,
564
00:45:53,451 --> 00:45:56,762
oh, they're nice tunes,
and I like that bit at the end.
565
00:45:56,854 --> 00:45:58,663
I mean, this was
a complete experience.
566
00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:01,566
It was actually
a really grim time.
567
00:46:01,692 --> 00:46:05,265
And he wrote a very grim record,
568
00:46:05,363 --> 00:46:10,335
but did it with music
that was extremely uplifting,
569
00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:12,471
compelling and bewitching.
570
00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:15,777
I think it was
a very, very happy
571
00:46:15,873 --> 00:46:18,877
and creative and enjoyable time
when we made this album.
572
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:23,288
It was probably the most focused
moment in our career,
573
00:46:23,414 --> 00:46:26,395
in terms of all of us
working together as a band.
574
00:46:26,517 --> 00:46:29,794
I'd love to have been a person
575
00:46:29,887 --> 00:46:32,493
who could sit back
with his headphones on
576
00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:34,763
and listen to that
the whole way through,
577
00:46:34,859 --> 00:46:36,600
for the first time.
578
00:46:36,694 --> 00:46:40,608
You know, I never had
that experience, but...
579
00:46:40,698 --> 00:46:42,575
it would have been nice.
580
00:46:42,667 --> 00:46:45,375
The thing that's often missed
is the fact that, basically,
581
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:48,006
people are responding to it
on an emotional level.
582
00:46:48,105 --> 00:46:50,176
And that's what makes
great records.
583
00:46:50,274 --> 00:46:53,414
It's driven by emotion.
584
00:46:53,511 --> 00:46:55,684
There's nothing plastic
about it, you know?
585
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:58,852
There's nothing contrived
about it.
586
00:46:58,949 --> 00:47:01,589
And I think
that's what has given it...
587
00:47:01,686 --> 00:47:04,895
Well, maybe one of the things
that's given it its longevity.
588
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:21,005
But that's not to say
that the potential
589
00:48:21,098 --> 00:48:23,135
for the sun to shine
doesn't exist.
590
00:48:23,234 --> 00:48:25,646
You know, walk down the path
towards the light,
591
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:28,580
rather than walking
into the darkness.
592
00:48:28,672 --> 00:48:31,084
There is no dark side
in the moon, really.
593
00:48:31,175 --> 00:48:33,086
Matter of fact, it's all dark.48205
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