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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,048 --> 00:00:08,216 -A New Jersey police officer 2 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:12,178 reports he's found his wife unresponsive. 3 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:14,597 -Ellen Andros had no medical problems, 4 00:00:14,723 --> 00:00:17,517 no drinking, no drugs, 31 years old. 5 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:19,811 It's not too often someone like that 6 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:22,897 winds up on the floor deceased. 7 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:25,567 -While a beloved mother of two is mourned. 8 00:00:25,650 --> 00:00:27,485 -She was a great mother. 9 00:00:27,527 --> 00:00:30,488 You don't meet a lot of people that you become very close with. 10 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:33,575 And to lose somebody, it hurts. 11 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:36,786 -A community divided in grief lays blame. 12 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:39,247 -He medical examiner concluded 13 00:00:39,330 --> 00:00:42,250 that this was, in fact, a homicide. 14 00:00:42,334 --> 00:00:44,461 -James is claiming his innocence, 15 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:47,464 but Ellen was terrified of her husband 16 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:50,425 and he threatened her repeatedly. 17 00:00:50,508 --> 00:00:52,469 -I knew it was not him. 18 00:00:52,552 --> 00:00:54,763 Just had to figure out what it was. 19 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:58,767 -Until a single discovery turns everything upside down. 20 00:00:58,850 --> 00:01:01,353 -Now the husband knows that there's a boyfriend. 21 00:01:01,436 --> 00:01:04,272 She talked about a life together. 22 00:01:04,356 --> 00:01:06,983 -That was a big "wow" to us. 23 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:09,944 -We're trying to find anything that's there 24 00:01:09,986 --> 00:01:12,864 that answers that question of how she died. 25 00:01:12,947 --> 00:01:16,493 -They're going to take a look at the original autopsy. 26 00:01:16,576 --> 00:01:18,495 This is a huge moment. 27 00:01:18,661 --> 00:01:20,747 Is this really the truth? 28 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:28,963 ♪♪ 29 00:01:29,047 --> 00:01:38,098 ♪♪ 30 00:01:38,181 --> 00:01:40,642 -In the early-morning hours, just miles 31 00:01:40,725 --> 00:01:43,103 from the glittering shores of Atlantic City, New Jersey, 32 00:01:43,186 --> 00:01:44,979 police receive a 911 call 33 00:01:45,063 --> 00:01:48,274 from a distressed husband about his wife. 34 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:50,151 -Around 4:30 a.m., 35 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:53,071 a medical call came in of an unresponsive female. 36 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:59,119 Dispatch immediately sends out the patrol units to respond. 37 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:00,912 When units arrived there, 38 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:04,165 the man who called 911, James Andros III, 39 00:02:04,332 --> 00:02:08,003 came out to let them know what was going on inside. 40 00:02:08,169 --> 00:02:12,090 -James Andros says he's an Atlantic City police officer 41 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:14,509 and he came home late at night 42 00:02:14,592 --> 00:02:17,554 and found his wife, Ellen, unresponsive, 43 00:02:17,637 --> 00:02:19,889 slumped over at her computer. 44 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:21,433 Put her on the floor, 45 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:25,186 tried to resuscitate her, to no avail. 46 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:27,272 -First responders race inside the house 47 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:29,024 to help the 31-year-old victim, 48 00:02:29,107 --> 00:02:32,444 who is lying on the floor, face up, unresponsive. 49 00:02:32,527 --> 00:02:34,779 -She was in a bedroom with two of her children 50 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:36,990 who were sleeping at the time. 51 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:39,451 -Ellen's 5-year-old and 3-year-old girls 52 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:42,996 are asleep in a bunk bed inches away from their mother. 53 00:02:43,079 --> 00:02:45,373 -First responders decided to get the children 54 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:47,417 out of the bedroom, and of course, 55 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,754 they were taken to another room in the house. 56 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:54,341 Fire and rescue were there attending to Ms. Andros. 57 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:57,510 She was just laying right by the computer desk table. 58 00:02:57,635 --> 00:02:59,554 -The medics had a pillow under her head. 59 00:02:59,637 --> 00:03:01,389 She was laying on her back. 60 00:03:01,473 --> 00:03:03,141 She had, like, on a white blouse. 61 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:04,642 She had a pair of sweatpants. 62 00:03:04,684 --> 00:03:07,020 -And she's cold to the touch. 63 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:11,608 -Paramedics were able to determine rather quickly 64 00:03:11,691 --> 00:03:13,234 that she was deceased. 65 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:18,740 -There was nothing further they could do. 66 00:03:18,823 --> 00:03:22,077 -James asked the officer, "Is she dead?" 67 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,704 And the officer says, "Yes." 68 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:28,583 -Mr. Andros wasn't crying. 69 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:31,169 He was just more concerned. 70 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:32,921 -When we took the initial look at Ellen, 71 00:03:33,004 --> 00:03:35,465 there were no obvious signs of defensive wounds. 72 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:39,177 There was no obvious signs of injury to her, 73 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:42,138 as far as cuts or bruises or anything of that nature. 74 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,140 -She did have some discoloration. 75 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:47,394 The chin and the nose -- they were pale and white. 76 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:49,896 And other areas were blue. 77 00:03:52,273 --> 00:03:53,858 -We asked James during that time 78 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:55,819 about Ellen's medical history. 79 00:03:55,902 --> 00:03:58,113 She had had some swollen tonsils, 80 00:03:58,196 --> 00:04:02,200 but other than that, no other big medical issues. 81 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,202 -Looking for an expert opinion, 82 00:04:04,285 --> 00:04:07,205 detectives call in Dr. Gross, the medical examiner. 83 00:04:07,288 --> 00:04:11,042 As he examines Ellen, areas of her face draw concern. 84 00:04:11,126 --> 00:04:13,878 -You saw some petechiaee around the eyes. 85 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,630 -There were pinpoint hemorrhages 86 00:04:15,672 --> 00:04:17,924 on the whites of the eyes and on the eyelids. 87 00:04:18,008 --> 00:04:19,801 Those were the petechiaee. 88 00:04:19,884 --> 00:04:22,721 Those were caused by blood seeping out of the capillaries 89 00:04:22,762 --> 00:04:24,597 because of high pressure. 90 00:04:24,723 --> 00:04:27,976 And this is often seen in some kind of asphyxia. 91 00:04:28,059 --> 00:04:32,647 That could either be strangulation or smothering. 92 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:34,899 -Petechiae raised a flag 93 00:04:34,983 --> 00:04:37,902 as to whether or not this was a natural cause of death 94 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:41,322 or whether there was something involved, such as a homicide. 95 00:04:42,741 --> 00:04:44,826 -Dr. Gross had come to a conclusion, 96 00:04:44,909 --> 00:04:46,494 because of the petechiae in the face, 97 00:04:46,578 --> 00:04:48,913 that she had been smothered. 98 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,332 He sort of biased himself that way 99 00:04:51,416 --> 00:04:54,085 even before he started the autopsy. 100 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:56,004 -I asked him, "Well, do me a favor. 101 00:04:56,087 --> 00:04:57,922 Please expedite the autopsy 102 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:00,884 so we can figure out what's going on here." 103 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:04,095 -All the information James had given us about Ellen Andros 104 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:06,056 was no medical problems, 105 00:05:06,181 --> 00:05:09,642 no drinking, no drugs, 31 years old. 106 00:05:09,684 --> 00:05:11,102 It's not too often someone like that 107 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:12,979 winds up on the floor deceased. 108 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:19,027 It was reported as medical rescue. 109 00:05:19,069 --> 00:05:20,945 But this might not just be a medical call here. 110 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:22,155 This could be something else. 111 00:05:22,238 --> 00:05:23,406 We need to really get busy 112 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:25,700 and investigate a lot further. 113 00:05:25,825 --> 00:05:28,286 -While Ellen's body is transported to the morgue, 114 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:29,996 Detective DeShields and his team 115 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:33,041 turn their attention to questioning James. 116 00:05:33,124 --> 00:05:35,210 -You could tell he had been out drinking. 117 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:36,711 You could smell the alcohol. 118 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:38,755 -Mr. Andros made several comments, 119 00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:40,590 saying he's [bleep] up, 120 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:42,300 and his demeanor indicates -- 121 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:44,803 you could tell he was under some type of influence. 122 00:05:44,886 --> 00:05:48,473 -Detectives ask him about what happened prior to the discovery. 123 00:05:49,849 --> 00:05:53,436 -James indicated that he was at the Beach Bar until 4:00 a.m. 124 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,022 with his father and a couple other individuals. 125 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:58,775 -James Andros arrived there 8:00, 9:00 126 00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:02,112 and left there around 3:45, according to reports, 127 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,114 to come home from Brigantine. 128 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:05,782 -The Brigantine Beach Bar 129 00:06:05,865 --> 00:06:08,618 is a 20-minute drive from the Andros House. 130 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,621 -When he pulled in the driveway, the lights were on. 131 00:06:11,746 --> 00:06:15,125 He was a little surprised to see Ellen and the girls were home 132 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:18,253 because sometimes they would spend the night on Fridays 133 00:06:18,336 --> 00:06:20,296 at her parents' place. 134 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:22,173 The door was locked. 135 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,259 He didn't notice anything out of the normal, 136 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,679 walked in, went back to the girls' room. 137 00:06:27,762 --> 00:06:30,557 Saw Ellen sitting in the chair. He was talking with her. 138 00:06:30,598 --> 00:06:32,726 Realized that she was unresponsive. 139 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:36,813 The 5-year-old daughter started waking up. 140 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:38,606 James asked her, "What happened with Mommy?" 141 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:40,358 She was like, "I don't know." 142 00:06:40,442 --> 00:06:42,110 So he called 911. 143 00:06:42,193 --> 00:06:43,778 And that was essentially it. 144 00:06:43,862 --> 00:06:46,322 The police arrived, and this is where we're at. 145 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,658 -As detectives hear James's account of the evening, 146 00:06:48,742 --> 00:06:50,493 a question emerges -- 147 00:06:50,535 --> 00:06:53,580 was Ellen's unusual death the result of a heated argument 148 00:06:53,663 --> 00:06:55,832 between husband and wife? 149 00:06:55,915 --> 00:06:57,584 -I asked him if something had taken place. 150 00:06:57,709 --> 00:06:59,377 Because you've been out drinking, you come home. 151 00:06:59,461 --> 00:07:01,796 Did an argument occur? Did something get out of hand? 152 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,381 Was a mistake made? 153 00:07:03,465 --> 00:07:05,967 He had said, no, there was no fight that night. 154 00:07:06,051 --> 00:07:08,136 But when you looked at his mannerisms, his body, 155 00:07:08,219 --> 00:07:10,305 he was getting real deep red in the face. 156 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:12,932 But that by itself doesn't mean anything. 157 00:07:13,016 --> 00:07:15,810 The man just lost his wife. 158 00:07:15,894 --> 00:07:17,520 -The line of questioning from police 159 00:07:17,604 --> 00:07:20,357 soon becomes too much for James to handle. 160 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,401 -James has a firearm on his ankle. 161 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:25,195 He wants to give the gun, 162 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:28,198 and he makes comments to the effect, "So I don't hurt myself. 163 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:30,992 I don't want to leave my two little girls alone." 164 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:35,538 That raises a red flag for me. 165 00:07:35,705 --> 00:07:37,582 If this is a medical call, 166 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:40,251 I'm not too sure that I would be in that state of mind. 167 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:44,381 I'm not worried about hurting myself or leaving my kids alone. 168 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:46,508 My opinion would be, he's a police officer 169 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:48,218 in Atlantic City, okay? 170 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:50,387 So he's probably experienced some of these things, 171 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:54,683 and that type of response would be a little bit off for me. 172 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:57,852 -The odd behavior forces investigators 173 00:07:57,936 --> 00:07:59,437 to keep an eye on James 174 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:02,607 and treat this as more than a medical issue. 175 00:08:02,691 --> 00:08:04,693 -We're trying to find how she died. 176 00:08:04,776 --> 00:08:06,778 You know, we're not just focused on Jim. 177 00:08:06,861 --> 00:08:09,114 We're looking at every potential avenue. 178 00:08:09,155 --> 00:08:11,241 -Intruders who may have come in, 179 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,410 somebody that may have been there and left. 180 00:08:13,535 --> 00:08:15,662 They're looking for any and all evidence 181 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:17,789 where they could start ruling things out. 182 00:08:17,914 --> 00:08:21,543 James Andros is an Atlantic City police officer 183 00:08:21,626 --> 00:08:24,921 who had been on that police force for a number of years. 184 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:26,423 -He's a cop. 185 00:08:26,548 --> 00:08:28,383 Did he make someone angry and they came back 186 00:08:28,466 --> 00:08:31,052 and they decided to kill his wife? 187 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:34,723 Pleasantville back in 2001 was a tough town in terms of crime. 188 00:08:34,806 --> 00:08:37,058 We're just west of Atlantic City. 189 00:08:37,142 --> 00:08:38,435 Is this a home invasion? 190 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:40,311 We've had many in Pleasantville. 191 00:08:40,395 --> 00:08:42,897 Is there anything stolen, any damage to any windows 192 00:08:42,981 --> 00:08:44,607 or doors or things of that nature? 193 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:47,235 -We did an assessment of the house 194 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:49,821 to make sure that there was nothing broken into, 195 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:51,906 anything was out of place. 196 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:54,242 You know, door jimmied open or anything. 197 00:08:54,325 --> 00:08:56,411 -Broken window or any kind of intrusion, 198 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:59,289 anything that might look suspicious. 199 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:01,958 -There was nothing to indicate something was moved 200 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:03,877 so somebody could make entry into the house. 201 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,420 -We didn't have any reason 202 00:09:05,462 --> 00:09:07,255 to believe anybody broke into that house. 203 00:09:10,258 --> 00:09:13,219 -The lack of forced entry supports a natural death. 204 00:09:13,303 --> 00:09:14,721 But if foul play occurred, 205 00:09:14,846 --> 00:09:17,474 it may have involved someone Ellen knew. 206 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:20,018 Considering all options, by 6:00 a.m., 207 00:09:20,143 --> 00:09:22,520 police begin canvassing the neighborhood. 208 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:24,314 -We did a neighborhood check, 209 00:09:24,397 --> 00:09:26,775 where you'll go and knock on a neighbor's door 210 00:09:26,858 --> 00:09:28,443 to see if there was anything suspicious, 211 00:09:28,485 --> 00:09:30,904 they heard anything, and things of that nature. 212 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:33,281 -Police check with neighbors, but no one recalls 213 00:09:33,323 --> 00:09:35,617 hearing or seeing anything out of the ordinary, 214 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:39,496 and the news of Ellen's death sparks rumors and speculation 215 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,623 about what may have happened to her. 216 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:43,291 -Early in the morning, 217 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:46,294 I get a call from a friend of mine. 218 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:49,172 She told me that someone broke into the house 219 00:09:49,255 --> 00:09:52,425 and Ellen was murdered. 220 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:54,636 I thought that that could have happened 221 00:09:54,678 --> 00:09:56,513 because there was crime in Pleasantville, 222 00:09:56,554 --> 00:09:58,431 but I was in shock. 223 00:10:00,684 --> 00:10:02,811 Ellen was part of my family, 224 00:10:02,894 --> 00:10:05,063 and I was part of hers. 225 00:10:05,146 --> 00:10:08,024 Jim and Ellen were one of those matches made in heaven. 226 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,401 They adored each other. 227 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:12,529 They were a loving couple. 228 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:16,700 -Jim has been one of my best friends since I was in my 20s. 229 00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:19,411 A very loyal friend. 230 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:23,039 -James found himself attracted to Ellen since high school. 231 00:10:23,081 --> 00:10:26,251 -Ellen lived in the neighborhood when they were kids. 232 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:28,586 Ellen was a smart woman. 233 00:10:28,712 --> 00:10:32,424 She was very quiet, but very sure of herself. 234 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,551 And when they were teenagers, 235 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:37,679 that was the first girl that he ever kissed. 236 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:40,640 And then, as time went on, they went apart. 237 00:10:41,933 --> 00:10:43,560 -Before becoming a police officer, 238 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:45,854 James Andros was working at an athletic club 239 00:10:45,937 --> 00:10:48,023 where a fated encounter changes his life. 240 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:49,733 -He was working, 241 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:53,069 and he couldn't believe that he met this woman 242 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:56,197 that he knew from when he was a kid. 243 00:10:56,281 --> 00:10:58,742 -Now that destiny brought James and Ellen back together, 244 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:01,870 James doesn't waste any time and he proposes. 245 00:11:01,953 --> 00:11:04,330 -It was a picture-perfect wedding. 246 00:11:04,372 --> 00:11:06,499 A lot of people attended the wedding, 247 00:11:06,583 --> 00:11:08,543 and they were very happy. 248 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:10,670 -Excited to start their new life, 249 00:11:10,754 --> 00:11:12,255 James makes a career move 250 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:14,466 and decides to go into the family business. 251 00:11:14,549 --> 00:11:17,010 -Jim went into law enforcement. 252 00:11:17,093 --> 00:11:19,721 His father was a police officer in Atlantic City, 253 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:22,932 and Jim started in Atlantic City. 254 00:11:23,016 --> 00:11:25,769 -While still basking in the glow of marital bliss, 255 00:11:25,852 --> 00:11:27,354 Ellen becomes pregnant, 256 00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:29,439 and the couple is giddy with excitement. 257 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:33,026 -Ellen was over the top happy. 258 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:35,987 -Two years later, the couple has a second bundle of joy 259 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:38,156 and their family is complete. 260 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:39,574 -We were all happy about that. 261 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:42,160 They asked me to be her godfather. 262 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:45,497 When her kids were born, I saw something change in Ellen. 263 00:11:45,622 --> 00:11:49,250 I think she found her purpose in life. 264 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:52,629 She loved their children, teaching them, 265 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:55,048 spending time with them, being a great mother. 266 00:11:56,925 --> 00:11:59,761 When the kids were close to 3 and 5 years old, 267 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:02,972 she was anticipating them going to school. 268 00:12:03,056 --> 00:12:06,518 So she was gonna go back to school to be a teacher. 269 00:12:06,643 --> 00:12:08,269 And I know that's what she wanted to do 270 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:10,355 in the next stage of her life. 271 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:13,817 You don't meet a lot of people that you become very close with. 272 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:17,529 And to lose somebody, it's very -- it hurts. 273 00:12:20,699 --> 00:12:22,075 [ Stammers ] 274 00:12:22,117 --> 00:12:24,327 Um, I'll need a minute, just a minute. 275 00:12:24,369 --> 00:12:26,538 [ Sniffles ] 276 00:12:27,831 --> 00:12:29,708 -It's now 9:00 a.m. at the Andros house 277 00:12:29,833 --> 00:12:31,793 when Ellen's family arrives on scene, 278 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:34,004 frantic for information. 279 00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:36,381 -I was informed by the Pleasantville officers 280 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:40,885 that Ellen's family had arrived, that James had contacted them. 281 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:42,971 And they were across the street. 282 00:12:43,054 --> 00:12:46,599 -When Ellen's mother walks up to the front yard, 283 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:49,310 the first thing she says to James is, 284 00:12:49,352 --> 00:12:52,439 "What did you do to her? Did you kill her?" 285 00:12:54,816 --> 00:12:56,776 -The first thing he said to me was, 286 00:12:56,901 --> 00:13:00,488 "Don't believe anything that you're hearing on the news." 287 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,074 -That sort of thing is not natural. 288 00:13:03,158 --> 00:13:06,119 You can't smother yourself that way. 289 00:13:06,244 --> 00:13:09,039 -There was just total discrepancy in the reports 290 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:12,292 by doctors in this case. 291 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:31,019 -When 31-year-old Ellen Andros mysteriously ends up dead, 292 00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:35,899 detectives aren't the only ones who suspect foul play. 293 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,693 The scene is explosive at the Andros residence. 294 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:41,529 Ellen's parents confront her husband, James, 295 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:44,157 and accuse him of killing their daughter. 296 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,868 -When James hears Ellen's mom say that, 297 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:49,204 he basically says, "Please don't say that. 298 00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,331 Don't say that." 299 00:13:51,414 --> 00:13:52,707 -This heated confrontation 300 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:54,292 piques the interest of detectives, 301 00:13:54,376 --> 00:13:56,795 so they pull him aside to question him further. 302 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,798 -James' attitude at the time was a combination of being upset, 303 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,383 but also being a little agitated 304 00:14:01,424 --> 00:14:03,802 as they asked him additional questions. 305 00:14:03,885 --> 00:14:05,762 -The officer there says, "Would you sign 306 00:14:05,804 --> 00:14:08,098 a consent to search the interior of the house?" 307 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:10,475 -James is a little irritated by that, 308 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:12,977 used a little vulgar language. 309 00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:15,605 -He tells police officers he knows his [bleep] rights. 310 00:14:15,730 --> 00:14:18,191 He goes, "Give me the paper," and snatches it from his hand. 311 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:21,736 And Mr. Andros eventually signs the consent form. 312 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:24,239 Does that look kind of like you're hiding something? 313 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,741 Maybe. Some people may look at it that way. 314 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:28,451 -After securing the search warrant, 315 00:14:28,493 --> 00:14:30,453 detectives move inside the house, 316 00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,497 looking for any clues to help them figure out 317 00:14:32,622 --> 00:14:33,957 what happened here. 318 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,667 -We conducted a search warrant, 319 00:14:35,709 --> 00:14:38,086 a thorough search of the house. 320 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:40,380 We tried to go through everything. 321 00:14:40,463 --> 00:14:42,382 It wasn't like she had blood or anything, 322 00:14:42,507 --> 00:14:45,051 so we weren't looking for blood evidence. 323 00:14:45,176 --> 00:14:47,554 Just trying to find anything, 324 00:14:47,595 --> 00:14:49,889 anything out of place that indicated 325 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:52,058 that somebody else was in the house. 326 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,520 -A computer left running in the bedroom 327 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:57,313 catches detectives' attention. 328 00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:00,525 Could it hold clues to Ellen's final hours? 329 00:15:00,567 --> 00:15:03,111 -When officers check the area, 330 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:06,656 they of course look at the computer where she was sitting. 331 00:15:06,698 --> 00:15:09,034 Her screen name is EJAndros. 332 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:10,952 It's an AOL screen, 333 00:15:11,036 --> 00:15:15,165 and it says, "You've been logged off due to inactivity." 334 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:17,667 -Could be that there was no further activity after that. 335 00:15:17,792 --> 00:15:20,170 Did she just sign off? She was doing something else? 336 00:15:20,211 --> 00:15:22,047 We don't know. 337 00:15:22,088 --> 00:15:25,091 -Detective DeShields sends the computer for forensic analysis. 338 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:28,136 If they can confirm the last time Ellen sent an e-mail, 339 00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:30,847 it will help determine her time of death. 340 00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:33,600 -We sent an order out to AOL 341 00:15:33,725 --> 00:15:35,894 so we could get the computer information. 342 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:39,272 And then we could put together a timeline. 343 00:15:39,314 --> 00:15:41,608 -Now that James is starting to sober up, 344 00:15:41,649 --> 00:15:43,735 detectives escort him to the police station 345 00:15:43,818 --> 00:15:46,613 while they wait for the results of the autopsy report. 346 00:15:47,989 --> 00:15:50,408 -James Andros III had been escorted 347 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:52,660 to the Northfield office, where the Major Crime Unit 348 00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:54,662 does their interviews. 349 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:57,374 -When we asked questions about Ellen, we were asking, 350 00:15:57,499 --> 00:15:59,876 anybody she was dealing with, anybody she had problems with? 351 00:16:00,001 --> 00:16:02,879 You know, trying to figure out if she had issues with somebody 352 00:16:02,921 --> 00:16:05,173 that maybe could have come by the house and caused this. 353 00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:07,217 He said he didn't know. 354 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:09,761 And we broke off at points and let him go get a little rest 355 00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:13,473 because we're still waiting to get the results of the autopsy. 356 00:16:14,933 --> 00:16:17,894 -Dr. Gross did his usual complete autopsy. 357 00:16:17,936 --> 00:16:21,231 He noticed she had a tonsillitis. 358 00:16:21,272 --> 00:16:25,819 The tonsils were enlarged due to being inflamed, 359 00:16:25,902 --> 00:16:27,529 but they were not so large 360 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,614 that they actually blocked the airway. 361 00:16:29,698 --> 00:16:32,367 So that wasn't the cause of her death. 362 00:16:32,450 --> 00:16:34,411 Dr. Gross examined her heart 363 00:16:34,536 --> 00:16:37,414 and made cross-sections of the coronary arteries 364 00:16:37,455 --> 00:16:40,583 and noticed she had normal thin-walled arteries. 365 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:42,502 -Ellen had thin-walled arteries, 366 00:16:42,544 --> 00:16:45,797 which is normal for a healthy 31-year-old woman. 367 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:49,467 -There was no atherosclerosis, which you get in older people. 368 00:16:49,592 --> 00:16:51,886 So it was normal. 369 00:16:52,012 --> 00:16:54,431 -Dr. Gross rules out a medical explanation 370 00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:58,226 for Ellen's death and looks for signs of strangulation. 371 00:16:58,309 --> 00:17:01,229 -Strangulation is applying pressure to the neck. 372 00:17:01,271 --> 00:17:02,731 Normally, they would look for bruising 373 00:17:02,814 --> 00:17:05,817 or a broken bone, her hyoid bone. 374 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:09,446 -He also didn't see any hemorrhage in the neck organs 375 00:17:09,487 --> 00:17:11,906 indicating manual strangulation -- 376 00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:15,660 and no fractures, either, in the upper airway. 377 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:17,829 The hyoid bone was not broken. 378 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:21,207 -Even though there's no evidence to prove Ellen was strangled, 379 00:17:21,249 --> 00:17:23,793 Dr. Gross circles back to his original theory 380 00:17:23,835 --> 00:17:26,046 that Ellen may have been smothered. 381 00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:29,424 -Because of the paleness of the chin and nose -- 382 00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:31,217 that's called burking. 383 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:34,387 Burking is smothering by someone's hand 384 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:36,389 covering the nose and mouth. 385 00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:39,851 That sort of thing is not natural. 386 00:17:39,976 --> 00:17:42,187 And it can't be a suicide. 387 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:45,148 You can't smother yourself that way. 388 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:47,776 -Burking is a way to silence someone with your hand. 389 00:17:47,859 --> 00:17:49,611 It's named after the 19th-century 390 00:17:49,736 --> 00:17:52,739 Scottish serial killer William Burke, 391 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:54,866 who used this method to kill his victims 392 00:17:54,908 --> 00:17:58,328 without leaving any evidence behind. 393 00:17:58,411 --> 00:18:01,414 -Dr. Gross goes through the litany of things 394 00:18:01,539 --> 00:18:03,458 that are examined microscopically, 395 00:18:03,541 --> 00:18:05,377 and the organs are examined. 396 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:07,337 And he comes to a conclusion, 397 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:10,382 basically that this was, in fact, a homicide. 398 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:15,303 -Ellen Andros died of asphyxia by suffocation. 399 00:18:17,555 --> 00:18:19,474 -Sergeant DeShields gets the call 400 00:18:19,516 --> 00:18:23,019 that this is now a homicide investigation. 401 00:18:23,103 --> 00:18:24,312 -Now they call it a homicide. 402 00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:26,106 Now everything has got to change. 403 00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:28,817 We got to be very careful and do our due diligence, 404 00:18:28,858 --> 00:18:32,320 because now all eyes are gonna be on us. 405 00:18:32,404 --> 00:18:34,114 -Because James is a police officer, 406 00:18:34,197 --> 00:18:36,241 investigators must notify his department 407 00:18:36,366 --> 00:18:39,160 and union representatives. 408 00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:41,079 -That puts a lot of pressure on law enforcement 409 00:18:41,204 --> 00:18:43,206 when that happens. 410 00:18:43,248 --> 00:18:45,750 -Detective DeShields has to break the news to James 411 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:47,293 that the medical examiner 412 00:18:47,335 --> 00:18:49,170 is declaring Ellen's death a homicide 413 00:18:49,212 --> 00:18:52,173 and right now he is their main suspect. 414 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:53,717 -I speak with James. 415 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,343 I indicates to him at that time 416 00:18:55,468 --> 00:18:58,013 that Dr. Gross had finished his autopsy 417 00:18:58,096 --> 00:19:01,516 and, unfortunately, he's calling Ellen's death a homicide. 418 00:19:03,184 --> 00:19:05,353 When I told him that, it kind of surprised me 419 00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:07,522 that his reaction really didn't change. 420 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:08,940 He didn't, like, jump out of the chair and go, like, 421 00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:11,192 "What? What do you mean?" 422 00:19:11,276 --> 00:19:13,570 I asked him if he killed his wife. 423 00:19:13,611 --> 00:19:15,697 He indicated that he didn't. 424 00:19:17,449 --> 00:19:19,993 -James denies any involvement in his wife's death. 425 00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:25,040 -He also says he has no idea who would want to hurt his wife. 426 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,709 -At that point where I believe 427 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:29,711 that we'd gotten a phone call from an individual 428 00:19:29,836 --> 00:19:32,756 that indicated that he was James's attorney 429 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:35,842 and he was gonna request that we end the interview 430 00:19:35,967 --> 00:19:38,928 at that time, which we did. 431 00:19:39,054 --> 00:19:41,806 -Detectives don't have enough evidence to arrest James, 432 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:43,600 so he's released. 433 00:19:43,725 --> 00:19:45,810 After getting nowhere with Ellen's husband, 434 00:19:45,894 --> 00:19:49,939 detectives turn to Ellen's friends and family. 435 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:52,525 -Now investigators have to learn about the marriage, 436 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:54,944 what kind of issues, if there were any issues. 437 00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:56,863 Did she feel scared? 438 00:19:56,946 --> 00:19:59,949 Now you got to build a case to find out, 439 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:01,993 you know, what's going on here. 440 00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:03,411 -We were starting to hear 441 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:05,622 that there were issues in the marriage 442 00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:07,582 and that there were some friends that may have known 443 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:10,168 certain information about things. 444 00:20:10,251 --> 00:20:13,296 -Then Ellen's friends drop a bombshell on detectives 445 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:16,299 that rocks this investigation to its core. 446 00:20:16,383 --> 00:20:19,386 -It turns out Ellen was in a relationship 447 00:20:19,469 --> 00:20:22,263 with another man at the time of her death. 448 00:20:24,849 --> 00:20:27,352 -That was a big "wow" to us. 449 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,190 -It was also a police officer. 450 00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:34,484 His name was Calvin Gadd. 451 00:20:34,609 --> 00:20:37,654 -Do we have a situation where now he becomes a problem 452 00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,156 because, you know, the husband knows that there's a boyfriend? 453 00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:42,242 It just really mucks up the water, 454 00:20:42,325 --> 00:20:45,453 and we have to be very careful of how we proceed. 455 00:20:45,495 --> 00:20:47,497 -There's obviously a problem in this marriage. 456 00:21:04,973 --> 00:21:07,475 -The investigation into Ellen Andros' death pivots 457 00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:09,978 when family and friends reveal 458 00:21:10,061 --> 00:21:12,063 she was involved with another man. 459 00:21:12,105 --> 00:21:13,690 Now detectives must determine 460 00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:15,692 whether this new lover is their killer 461 00:21:15,734 --> 00:21:19,487 or if the affair drove a jealous husband to kill his wife. 462 00:21:21,406 --> 00:21:23,324 -They track down Ellen's boyfriend, 463 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:26,036 and he agrees to an interview. 464 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,373 -The boyfriend lived across the street about a block away. 465 00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:32,292 -We learned of him. He was on duty. 466 00:21:32,375 --> 00:21:34,419 We pulled him in. 467 00:21:34,461 --> 00:21:36,212 All we found out from Mr. Gadd 468 00:21:36,296 --> 00:21:38,798 was that he had lived in the neighborhood 469 00:21:38,923 --> 00:21:41,343 and when he'd walk his son he would often see Ellen 470 00:21:41,426 --> 00:21:43,345 out walking with the girls. 471 00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:45,680 And from that, they formed a friendship. 472 00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:49,809 I believe he indicated it turned into a relationship. 473 00:21:49,851 --> 00:21:51,728 You know, she liked him, he liked her. 474 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:54,189 And he indicated that him and Ellen, 475 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:56,608 they were sending e-mails back and forth. 476 00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:58,610 -On the night of Ellen's death, 477 00:21:58,693 --> 00:22:01,237 she drove home with her children from her parents' house, 478 00:22:01,321 --> 00:22:02,864 and according to her boyfriend, 479 00:22:02,947 --> 00:22:05,367 they planned to take advantage of James being out 480 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:07,827 and were going to chat on e-mail. 481 00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:11,623 -Gadd says he waited anxiously for an e-mail from her 482 00:22:11,706 --> 00:22:15,126 after she got home from her parents' house that Friday. 483 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:19,214 When he never got that e-mail, he drove by her home, 484 00:22:19,255 --> 00:22:22,384 and that's when he saw the coroner's van 485 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:25,220 parked outside their house. 486 00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:27,430 -Calvin would learn the details of what happened 487 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:29,557 from friends in the following days. 488 00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:31,601 Now, feeling the pressure of suspicion, 489 00:22:31,643 --> 00:22:33,311 he offers an alibi. 490 00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:35,271 -Calvin said to me 491 00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:37,440 he was home with his son that night. 492 00:22:37,524 --> 00:22:39,317 His son was very little. 493 00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:42,195 There was nothing that we learned from him. 494 00:22:42,237 --> 00:22:43,822 -Calvin appears to have an alibi, 495 00:22:43,988 --> 00:22:45,490 so detectives turn their attention 496 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:47,742 to his relationship with Ellen. 497 00:22:47,826 --> 00:22:49,327 -He said they cared for each other. 498 00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:51,079 I don't know how deep that went. 499 00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:52,747 But they spent time together, 500 00:22:52,831 --> 00:22:56,209 and she would talk about the relationship with him. 501 00:22:56,292 --> 00:22:58,962 -Calvin tells detectives that Ellen confided in him 502 00:22:59,045 --> 00:23:01,381 about her volatile relationship with James. 503 00:23:01,506 --> 00:23:03,925 -There were times where, like, James would be driving 504 00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:05,593 and he would say to her, "Hey, look, 505 00:23:05,635 --> 00:23:07,679 I could drive off the road and have an accident 506 00:23:07,762 --> 00:23:09,764 and, you know, hurt you and nobody would know." 507 00:23:12,726 --> 00:23:15,478 -Ellen was terrified of her husband, 508 00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:18,440 and he threatened her repeatedly. 509 00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:21,359 Calvin said at one point 510 00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:25,822 James had threatened her with a gun and put a gun to her head. 511 00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:28,283 -It was stuff that's not reported or substantiated, 512 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:31,161 but it's something that was said. 513 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,705 -Detective DeShields interviews Ellen's girlfriends 514 00:23:33,747 --> 00:23:35,957 to corroborate Calvin's story. 515 00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:38,835 -Friends close to Ellen told investigators 516 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:42,297 that James was really nasty when he drank 517 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:44,132 and he was verbally abusive. 518 00:23:44,174 --> 00:23:47,093 -One of her friends remembers seeing a bruise 519 00:23:47,218 --> 00:23:49,888 on Ellen's arm and her leg. 520 00:23:49,971 --> 00:23:52,474 -But the explosive accusations against James 521 00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:54,934 are dismissed by friends who knew the couple 522 00:23:54,976 --> 00:23:56,853 since their fairy-tale beginning. 523 00:23:56,978 --> 00:23:59,647 -I don't even have one instance 524 00:23:59,689 --> 00:24:02,984 where I remember Jim yelling loudly at Ellen. 525 00:24:03,026 --> 00:24:05,195 Not one. 526 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,990 -As investigators are hearing all of these things about James, 527 00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:11,868 they're wondering, "Is this really the truth?" 528 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:14,287 Is this a boyfriend who's making things up 529 00:24:14,371 --> 00:24:18,166 to kind of deflect the attention away from himself? 530 00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:20,835 -We're not focused on just James. 531 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:23,171 Once Calvin came into the picture, 532 00:24:23,254 --> 00:24:25,298 now he's got to clear himself to me 533 00:24:25,382 --> 00:24:26,883 because, you know, an investigation -- 534 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:30,220 I can't go around anybody. 535 00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:32,555 -Police find Calvin to be another dead end. 536 00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:36,267 They verify his alibi through both family and work records. 537 00:24:37,435 --> 00:24:40,730 -They found he was home that evening with his child. 538 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:43,358 -And then left for work in the morning. 539 00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:44,901 He worked the day shift, 540 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:47,987 so we knew that he reported to work on time. 541 00:24:48,029 --> 00:24:50,156 -Investigators confirm Calvin's story 542 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,826 with both his superior officers at his department 543 00:24:52,951 --> 00:24:54,119 and his family. 544 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,829 -I do know Mr. Gadd personally. 545 00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,998 I've known him probably most of my career. 546 00:24:59,082 --> 00:25:01,084 If you were gonna sit here and evaluate 547 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:03,336 personalities and type of people, 548 00:25:03,378 --> 00:25:06,131 Gadd would have more credibility. 549 00:25:06,214 --> 00:25:08,550 -Now that Calvin has been ruled out as a suspect, 550 00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:11,094 detectives zero in on James Andros, 551 00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:14,264 getting more details from Ellen's parents. 552 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:15,932 -I sat down with Ellen's parents 553 00:25:16,016 --> 00:25:17,892 as I was trying to get more background information 554 00:25:17,976 --> 00:25:19,644 on their relationship. 555 00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,312 Ellen's parents confirmed 556 00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:23,398 Ellen was unhappy in her marriage. 557 00:25:23,481 --> 00:25:25,525 He was controlling with her. 558 00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:27,277 -Two weeks before her death, 559 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,613 she talked about reaching out to a divorce lawyer. 560 00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:34,492 Did this pending divorce have something to do 561 00:25:34,576 --> 00:25:37,328 with how she died? 562 00:25:37,412 --> 00:25:40,415 -As Detective DeShields unravels the rocky relationship 563 00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,292 between Ellen and James, 564 00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:45,128 Ellen's friends come forward with mind-blowing information 565 00:25:45,211 --> 00:25:49,215 that correlates with the autopsy report by Dr. Gross. 566 00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:52,260 -One friend shared that Ellen had said 567 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:55,597 that James put his hand over Ellen's mouth 568 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,308 while they were having sex. 569 00:25:58,433 --> 00:26:00,643 -In his autopsy report, Dr. Gross states 570 00:26:00,769 --> 00:26:02,979 that Ellen may have been the victim of burking, 571 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,397 a method of smothering someone 572 00:26:04,481 --> 00:26:07,025 by putting your hand over their mouth. 573 00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:10,111 And if James has a history of covering Ellen's mouth, 574 00:26:10,195 --> 00:26:12,864 was it possible that James may have smothered Ellen 575 00:26:12,989 --> 00:26:15,867 either accidentally or intentionally? 576 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:18,203 -Things happen in relationships. 577 00:26:18,286 --> 00:26:20,497 So, every night he's drinking, comes home -- 578 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:22,582 "Just shut up. Just shut up. Stop talking." 579 00:26:22,707 --> 00:26:24,959 Put your hand over her mouth and do it too long. 580 00:26:25,085 --> 00:26:27,295 She wasn't a big girl. 581 00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:29,506 Dealt with countless domestic homicides, 582 00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:34,010 and all it takes is just a spark and something happens. 583 00:26:34,094 --> 00:26:35,470 We need to figure out 584 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:37,472 if this is what happened that night 585 00:26:55,281 --> 00:26:57,450 -On a stormy day in March 2001, 586 00:26:58,243 --> 00:27:00,495 Ellen's family lays her to rest. 587 00:27:00,620 --> 00:27:03,248 But as police suspicions surround her husband, 588 00:27:03,331 --> 00:27:05,792 the funeral is anything but peaceful. 589 00:27:07,085 --> 00:27:09,587 -There is bad blood between Ellen's family, 590 00:27:09,713 --> 00:27:13,341 Ellen's friends, and James. 591 00:27:13,425 --> 00:27:15,343 -The fact that her parents thought 592 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:17,679 he had something to do with her death, 593 00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:20,557 it just crushed him. 594 00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:23,893 -There was a lot of discontent at the funeral. 595 00:27:23,977 --> 00:27:26,229 -Funerals are terrible anyway. 596 00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:30,191 And then, with the animosity between the families, 597 00:27:30,275 --> 00:27:32,277 it was not good. 598 00:27:33,737 --> 00:27:38,283 -At the funeral, Ellen's friends and family stare at James, 599 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:41,870 and they mouth the word "murderer." 600 00:27:44,205 --> 00:27:47,792 -After Ellen is finally laid to rest, reality sets in, 601 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:51,463 and her two children are now left without a mother. 602 00:27:51,546 --> 00:27:53,757 -I start thinking about my kids 603 00:27:53,882 --> 00:27:57,552 and what we would do without my wife, you know? 604 00:27:57,635 --> 00:28:05,894 ♪♪ 605 00:28:05,977 --> 00:28:08,521 -These are the worst cases because there's a woman 606 00:28:08,646 --> 00:28:10,231 that's deceased who's young, 607 00:28:10,315 --> 00:28:12,734 there are kids that aren't gonna have a mother, 608 00:28:12,817 --> 00:28:14,611 there's family there that's hurting 609 00:28:14,694 --> 00:28:17,155 because their daughter, you know, is deceased. 610 00:28:19,407 --> 00:28:22,410 -While the funeral concludes, detectives continue their work, 611 00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:25,372 centering the investigation on James Andros 612 00:28:25,497 --> 00:28:28,124 and verifying his account of that night. 613 00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:31,127 -James says he was at the bar until 4:00 a.m. 614 00:28:31,252 --> 00:28:35,090 And Ellen -- if she died between 2:00 and 2:30, 615 00:28:35,173 --> 00:28:37,092 then who killed her? 616 00:28:37,175 --> 00:28:39,552 What happened here? 617 00:28:39,678 --> 00:28:42,180 -James's alibi was his father. 618 00:28:42,305 --> 00:28:43,765 -We spoke with his father, 619 00:28:43,848 --> 00:28:45,475 who said that he had been there drinking. 620 00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:47,769 But the father indicated that they were there 621 00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:50,814 until the time that the owner was shutting the bar down. 622 00:28:50,939 --> 00:28:53,316 In fact, he had slept in the parking lot that night. 623 00:28:53,441 --> 00:28:56,236 He didn't want to drive because he had so much to drink. 624 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,446 -When they question James Andros Sr., 625 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:01,366 he says that his son passed out with him 626 00:29:01,408 --> 00:29:03,410 and when he woke up at 4:00 a.m., 627 00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:05,954 that's when James drove home. 628 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,540 -We knew where he was. We had people confirm that. 629 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:10,875 But what we don't have is nobody that says, 630 00:29:10,959 --> 00:29:13,044 "Hey, I know he left at this time 631 00:29:13,128 --> 00:29:15,380 because I walked out there with him." 632 00:29:15,463 --> 00:29:17,215 -Investigators believe it's possible 633 00:29:17,298 --> 00:29:20,343 that James left the bar and came back. 634 00:29:20,385 --> 00:29:22,095 -This guy's a police officer, 635 00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:24,347 so he probably has a little more experience 636 00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:26,141 as what we investigate. 637 00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:29,185 He's covering his tracks to make sure he's seen 638 00:29:29,227 --> 00:29:31,229 certain places at certain times. 639 00:29:33,231 --> 00:29:36,484 -The tension building before Ellen's death is clear 640 00:29:36,568 --> 00:29:40,572 when the forensic results from Ellen's computer come back. 641 00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:42,574 -With the computer, what we found 642 00:29:42,657 --> 00:29:45,660 was that she had sent some e-mails. 643 00:29:45,744 --> 00:29:48,288 -She wrote an e-mail to a friend late one night. 644 00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:50,081 "I feel like such a failure. 645 00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:53,376 I have these beautiful girls, and they can't even have 646 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,045 a nice, happy childhood 647 00:29:55,128 --> 00:29:58,673 because their mommy can't marry a nice guy." 648 00:29:58,715 --> 00:30:02,844 -The last e-mail Ellen sent was to a friend at 1:48 a.m. 649 00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:05,805 -She was disappointed that she couldn't be happy. 650 00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:08,516 She wanted to be with Calvin Gadd. 651 00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:11,019 She talked about a life of them together, 652 00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:15,523 but she needed to end what she had going with James. 653 00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:18,485 -AOL logged her off of her account 654 00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:23,073 due to "inactivity" at around 2:30 a.m. 655 00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:25,408 -Police have a strong theory of what happened 656 00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:28,370 after Ellen logged off. 657 00:30:28,453 --> 00:30:30,038 -I think she was in bed 658 00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:32,540 and that somehow he applied pressure to the face 659 00:30:32,624 --> 00:30:34,417 while she was in bed 660 00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:36,419 and cut off her oxygen 661 00:30:36,503 --> 00:30:39,172 and that she expired from that. 662 00:30:39,255 --> 00:30:41,508 We believe that he brought her in the room, 663 00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:43,760 laid her down on the floor, called 911, 664 00:30:43,885 --> 00:30:46,054 said he came home and found her in the chair. 665 00:30:49,516 --> 00:30:51,226 -With the gap in James's alibi 666 00:30:51,351 --> 00:30:53,395 and his wife's affair a clear motive, 667 00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:56,022 investigators feel as though they have enough evidence 668 00:30:56,064 --> 00:30:58,817 to arrest James for the murder of Ellen Andros. 669 00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:05,115 -The fact that the medical examiner concluded a homicide. 670 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,035 The fact that there was some information from the family 671 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,371 about possible abuse in the past. 672 00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:14,416 There was also allegation about a boyfriend. 673 00:31:14,457 --> 00:31:18,420 There was also allegation about some threats in the past. 674 00:31:18,503 --> 00:31:22,465 With all the evidence obtained, they had probable cause 675 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:25,093 to bring an indictment against James Andros. 676 00:31:26,469 --> 00:31:28,430 -On April 23, 2001, 677 00:31:28,555 --> 00:31:32,559 James Andros is arrested for murder. 678 00:31:32,684 --> 00:31:35,103 -I go into the office, see James. 679 00:31:35,186 --> 00:31:37,647 I tell him, "Look, Jimmy, I'm sorry to tell you 680 00:31:37,731 --> 00:31:40,275 I have to charge you for the murder of your wife." 681 00:31:40,358 --> 00:31:43,319 James looked at me and said, "Bruce, I understand." 682 00:31:43,445 --> 00:31:46,072 -Even though James Andros is calm during his arrest, 683 00:31:46,197 --> 00:31:48,700 he is not budging on his story. 684 00:31:48,742 --> 00:31:50,827 -James is still claiming his innocence. 685 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:54,956 He's still saying he did not kill his wife, Ellen. 686 00:31:57,584 --> 00:31:59,127 -It's crystal clear to detectives 687 00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:00,795 that there are two camps -- 688 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,839 those that believe James is innocent 689 00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:05,175 and those that don't. 690 00:32:05,216 --> 00:32:08,094 -I never had an inkling to ask Jim 691 00:32:08,219 --> 00:32:09,679 if he had anything to do with her death. 692 00:32:09,721 --> 00:32:12,432 I knew it was not him. 693 00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:36,456 -The case of Ellen Andros explodes on April 23, 2001, 694 00:32:37,082 --> 00:32:38,416 when her husband, James, 695 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,127 is charged with first-degree murder. 696 00:32:41,211 --> 00:32:43,546 -We looked to see if there could have been anybody else 697 00:32:43,713 --> 00:32:45,924 that was involved in this, that showed up at the house 698 00:32:46,091 --> 00:32:48,593 or broke into the house or had a key to get in the house. 699 00:32:48,635 --> 00:32:50,553 I mean, we looked at everything. 700 00:32:50,679 --> 00:32:53,223 Based on the information, what we had at that time, 701 00:32:53,264 --> 00:32:57,018 we concluded that it would have been James Andros. 702 00:32:57,102 --> 00:33:01,272 -He's the only adult male at the time of death. 703 00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:03,483 -The juicy story of a police officer 704 00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:07,195 who claims his innocence sparks a media storm. 705 00:33:07,278 --> 00:33:10,824 -When you have somebody charged of killing his wife 706 00:33:10,865 --> 00:33:13,118 who's an Atlantic City police officer, 707 00:33:13,284 --> 00:33:17,539 the case immediately generated a lot of public interest. 708 00:33:17,664 --> 00:33:20,500 -And those closest to James are rattled by the idea 709 00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:23,712 that James may be involved with Ellen's death. 710 00:33:23,878 --> 00:33:25,797 -The next day, after Jim was arrested, 711 00:33:25,964 --> 00:33:27,382 I got a hold of Jim, 712 00:33:27,424 --> 00:33:29,300 and the first thing he said to me was, 713 00:33:29,426 --> 00:33:33,138 "Don't believe anything that you're hearing on the news." 714 00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:35,932 He sounded completely in shock 715 00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:38,268 and shook up. 716 00:33:38,309 --> 00:33:41,730 -Ellen's parents take custody of their grandchildren. 717 00:33:41,771 --> 00:33:44,107 -During the time that this case was pending, 718 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:46,401 he lost custody of his children. 719 00:33:46,484 --> 00:33:48,987 -Ellen's parents were still telling their young children 720 00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:50,822 that their dad killed their mom. 721 00:33:52,574 --> 00:33:55,201 And he had some embarrassment that this was going on. 722 00:33:55,368 --> 00:33:57,078 Even though I'm a good friend, 723 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,581 he didn't want to talk to me about it. 724 00:33:59,748 --> 00:34:01,875 -James is immediately suspended from his job 725 00:34:02,042 --> 00:34:03,793 as an Atlantic City police officer. 726 00:34:03,877 --> 00:34:05,712 After years of chasing criminals, 727 00:34:05,837 --> 00:34:07,714 now he's the one behind bars. 728 00:34:07,797 --> 00:34:09,424 -He's transported 729 00:34:09,466 --> 00:34:11,593 to the Atlantic County Justice Facility. 730 00:34:11,718 --> 00:34:13,845 -Because James is a police officer, 731 00:34:13,887 --> 00:34:15,472 he's put in a different area. 732 00:34:15,555 --> 00:34:19,309 He's segregated from the general population. 733 00:34:19,434 --> 00:34:22,062 -The pressure of the situation weighs heavily on James, 734 00:34:22,145 --> 00:34:24,898 and once again, he begins threatening to kill himself. 735 00:34:26,232 --> 00:34:27,942 -He's on suicide watch, 736 00:34:27,984 --> 00:34:30,945 and guards check on him every 15 minutes. 737 00:34:32,697 --> 00:34:34,115 -Within days of his arrest, 738 00:34:34,282 --> 00:34:37,202 James Andros Sr. posts bail for his son. 739 00:34:37,285 --> 00:34:40,955 -He did post bond. I believe it was $170,000. 740 00:34:40,997 --> 00:34:44,793 -Jim's father posted bail, and he was released. 741 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:48,588 -Without a murder weapon or eyewitness testimony, 742 00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:50,548 the case is sent to the grand jury 743 00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:52,759 to ensure a speedy trial. 744 00:34:52,801 --> 00:34:56,096 -We've had cases where police officers 745 00:34:56,221 --> 00:34:58,348 or law enforcement people are defendants, 746 00:34:58,431 --> 00:35:00,850 and you look at them just like anybody else. 747 00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:04,229 They're innocent until proven guilty. 748 00:35:05,522 --> 00:35:07,857 -The Andros family hires a powerful attorney 749 00:35:07,941 --> 00:35:09,651 who digs into the case. 750 00:35:09,776 --> 00:35:11,277 -Months go by. 751 00:35:11,361 --> 00:35:13,446 The prosecution is working on their case. 752 00:35:13,613 --> 00:35:15,365 The defense is working on theirs. 753 00:35:15,407 --> 00:35:19,661 And the defense decides to hire their own expert witness. 754 00:35:19,703 --> 00:35:21,496 -The defense indicated they were getting 755 00:35:21,538 --> 00:35:24,374 their own expert to review all the medical, 756 00:35:24,416 --> 00:35:27,627 to review the autopsy, perform additional tests. 757 00:35:27,794 --> 00:35:30,964 And of course, they had that right. 758 00:35:31,006 --> 00:35:33,174 -The defense hires world-renowned 759 00:35:33,216 --> 00:35:36,261 forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden. 760 00:35:37,345 --> 00:35:39,681 -Dr. Michael Baden is known for investigating 761 00:35:39,723 --> 00:35:42,726 some of America's most notorious cases, 762 00:35:42,809 --> 00:35:44,978 including O.J. Simpson. 763 00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:47,397 -I had heard of Dr. Michael Baden. 764 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,482 I knew his reputation. 765 00:35:49,524 --> 00:35:51,735 -Dr. Baden is going to take a look 766 00:35:51,776 --> 00:35:55,822 at the original autopsy performed by Dr. Elliot Gross. 767 00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:59,284 -In early November 2002, 768 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:01,870 Baden begins his analysis of Ellen, 769 00:36:01,911 --> 00:36:04,998 and he finds some contradictory information. 770 00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:08,501 -Dr. Baden, Dr. Gross, the investigators, 771 00:36:08,626 --> 00:36:11,379 the attorneys, they all gather together. 772 00:36:11,463 --> 00:36:14,299 At this meeting, Dr. Baden examines 773 00:36:14,466 --> 00:36:18,053 small pieces of Ellen's remains that have been preserved. 774 00:36:18,928 --> 00:36:21,890 He picks up a tiny chunk of her heart muscle, 775 00:36:21,973 --> 00:36:24,225 about the size of a nickel. 776 00:36:25,852 --> 00:36:28,396 -Immediately, there's something in the preserved human remains 777 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,357 that catches Dr. Baden's attention, 778 00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:33,777 but the doctor doesn't reveal what he sees. 779 00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:36,488 -Dr. Baden says, "I'm not ready yet." 780 00:36:36,529 --> 00:36:37,864 He's not gonna give his ruling. 781 00:36:37,947 --> 00:36:41,117 He needs to do more work. 782 00:36:41,201 --> 00:36:43,453 This is a huge moment. 783 00:36:43,495 --> 00:36:47,457 What is Dr. Baden seeing that hasn't been seen before? 784 00:36:47,499 --> 00:36:50,335 Everybody there must have been thinking to themselves, 785 00:37:07,769 --> 00:37:10,438 -As prosecutors prepare for a trial against James Andros, 786 00:37:11,356 --> 00:37:13,900 they're blindsided by a new finding 787 00:37:13,942 --> 00:37:16,194 by the defense's medical examiner. 788 00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:19,322 -I was in my office preparing to start, 789 00:37:19,406 --> 00:37:22,242 and First Assistant Prosecutor Murray Talasnik 790 00:37:22,367 --> 00:37:24,077 knocked on my door. 791 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,538 He put a piece of paper in front of me, 792 00:37:26,621 --> 00:37:31,459 and I looked at the paper and it said an order of dismissal. 793 00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:36,631 I looked at him and said, "What's this?" 794 00:37:36,715 --> 00:37:39,634 And he said, "We're dismissing the case. 795 00:37:41,011 --> 00:37:43,179 We got an updated report, 796 00:37:43,221 --> 00:37:49,144 and Dr. Baden says Mrs. Andros did not die by homicide. 797 00:37:50,603 --> 00:37:56,026 She had a very rare condition in her lower descending artery 798 00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:57,986 that caused her death." 799 00:37:58,069 --> 00:38:00,280 -She had a complete blockage 800 00:38:00,405 --> 00:38:02,574 of the left anterior descending artery, 801 00:38:02,699 --> 00:38:06,411 and that's called coronary artery dissection. 802 00:38:06,494 --> 00:38:08,830 -A coronary artery dissection is a condition 803 00:38:08,913 --> 00:38:11,916 where the coronary artery develops a tear, 804 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,711 causing blood to flow between the layers of the heart, 805 00:38:14,753 --> 00:38:16,713 forcing them apart. 806 00:38:16,796 --> 00:38:19,215 -Just like a run in a pantyhose, 807 00:38:19,299 --> 00:38:24,054 the tear began small and run and it spread. 808 00:38:24,095 --> 00:38:27,849 -The bleeding widened the wall of the artery to the point 809 00:38:28,016 --> 00:38:33,188 where it finally was so thick that it blocked the path 810 00:38:33,271 --> 00:38:35,023 that the blood would flow through, 811 00:38:35,106 --> 00:38:37,942 and she died rather rapidly. 812 00:38:37,984 --> 00:38:40,737 She had heart failure. 813 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:43,114 -Spontaneous coronary artery dissection occurs 814 00:38:43,198 --> 00:38:47,327 primarily in women and can cause sudden cardiac arrest. 815 00:38:47,369 --> 00:38:50,413 -This is a very rare condition. 816 00:38:50,497 --> 00:38:55,001 There have only been about 150 cases reported 817 00:38:55,085 --> 00:38:57,671 since 1931. 818 00:38:57,712 --> 00:39:00,715 -Although rare that it could happen, 819 00:39:00,799 --> 00:39:03,468 and it did in fact happen in this case. 820 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,723 -It was a natural death, not a smothering or suffocation. 821 00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:12,018 -With the report's ruling 822 00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:14,187 Ellen's death was from natural causes, 823 00:39:14,229 --> 00:39:16,856 there is no case against James Andros, 824 00:39:16,981 --> 00:39:20,318 but detectives are still left with unanswered questions. 825 00:39:20,402 --> 00:39:23,780 What could have triggered her heart to give out so abruptly? 826 00:39:23,822 --> 00:39:26,533 -Did something happen where her heart rate got elevated 827 00:39:26,658 --> 00:39:27,867 that caused this to happen? 828 00:39:27,992 --> 00:39:29,744 Nobody knows. 829 00:39:29,869 --> 00:39:33,498 But what I do know is that when you look at Dr. Jason's report, 830 00:39:33,581 --> 00:39:37,419 he says the artery disruption would cause the body to convulse 831 00:39:37,544 --> 00:39:39,838 and fall to the ground. 832 00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:42,007 But I'm like, "That's not what James said." 833 00:39:42,048 --> 00:39:44,551 He said she was in the chair. 834 00:39:44,634 --> 00:39:47,095 How do we explain the chair? 835 00:39:47,178 --> 00:39:48,596 But again, I asked these questions, 836 00:39:48,722 --> 00:39:50,807 but the answers aren't given. 837 00:39:50,932 --> 00:39:52,642 -People that might still have questions, 838 00:39:52,726 --> 00:39:55,979 I say this -- that in these kind of cases, 839 00:39:56,062 --> 00:40:00,191 many times it becomes a battle of the experts. 840 00:40:00,233 --> 00:40:02,819 An expert will come in and say, 841 00:40:02,902 --> 00:40:06,239 "I performed an autopsy and I found A, B, and C, 842 00:40:06,322 --> 00:40:10,368 and based on A, B, and C, I conclude a homicide." 843 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:14,414 The other expert will come in and say, "I redid the autopsy. 844 00:40:14,497 --> 00:40:18,126 I looked at the slides, and based on A, B, and C, 845 00:40:18,209 --> 00:40:20,920 I conclude this was natural causes." 846 00:40:23,131 --> 00:40:26,426 -I've never seen a conflict in any homicide case 847 00:40:26,468 --> 00:40:28,928 where there was just total discrepancy 848 00:40:29,012 --> 00:40:32,307 in the reports by doctors. 849 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:34,267 To me, it just raises a red flag. 850 00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:35,935 You know, what's really going on here? 851 00:40:35,977 --> 00:40:39,189 I mean, how can they be that far apart? 852 00:40:39,272 --> 00:40:41,566 -Unless they had some smoking gun 853 00:40:41,649 --> 00:40:45,528 as to the non-forensic type evidence -- 854 00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:49,824 they had somebody seeing Mr. Andros leaving the bar, 855 00:40:49,908 --> 00:40:52,952 saying, "I'm going to go home, kill my wife and come back." 856 00:40:54,245 --> 00:40:56,748 Absent some smoking gun like that, 857 00:40:56,831 --> 00:41:00,502 I believe that the state would have had a very hard time 858 00:41:00,543 --> 00:41:05,799 convincing 12 jurors that this was a homicide 859 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,344 based on the reports that I read. 860 00:41:09,427 --> 00:41:11,262 -Without ever having to go to trial, 861 00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:15,016 James Andros is exonerated and released from prison. 862 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,311 -James says throughout this whole ordeal 863 00:41:18,478 --> 00:41:21,398 none of his fellow officers nor his family 864 00:41:21,564 --> 00:41:23,608 questioned his innocence. 865 00:41:24,901 --> 00:41:28,405 -I got a call from Jim after the medical examiner 866 00:41:28,488 --> 00:41:31,866 that he hired found the real cause of death, 867 00:41:31,908 --> 00:41:35,412 and there was a huge feeling of relief. 868 00:41:35,495 --> 00:41:38,206 And that's what started the process of healing 869 00:41:38,289 --> 00:41:40,875 and of mourning his wife's death. 870 00:41:42,919 --> 00:41:44,671 I still feel bad for Jim. 871 00:41:44,838 --> 00:41:47,465 Even though Ellen was the victim of death, 872 00:41:47,549 --> 00:41:50,760 Jim has been the long-term victim of this whole thing 873 00:41:50,844 --> 00:41:54,389 because he's still suffering from her death. 874 00:41:54,472 --> 00:41:56,725 But it took almost a year for all this to clear 875 00:41:56,891 --> 00:42:00,311 and for him to get his job back and custody of the kids. 876 00:42:00,395 --> 00:42:03,773 He's had some hard times throughout these 20-some years, 877 00:42:03,815 --> 00:42:05,400 but he's doing okay. 878 00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:07,485 He's still going through it every day, 879 00:42:07,527 --> 00:42:09,279 every time he looks at his kids. 880 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,448 I couldn't imagine. 881 00:42:11,614 --> 00:42:13,491 The children are grown up. 882 00:42:13,575 --> 00:42:16,244 They have their own lives now, but I think they're doing well, 883 00:42:16,369 --> 00:42:17,954 both of them. 884 00:42:18,038 --> 00:42:20,790 Every time I think of or see their children, 885 00:42:20,874 --> 00:42:22,792 I wonder how their relationship would have been 886 00:42:22,834 --> 00:42:25,837 with their mother at this point if she was still around. 887 00:42:25,962 --> 00:42:27,839 Ellen would always see good in someone. 888 00:42:27,922 --> 00:42:29,966 She would always find something good to say. 889 00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:35,180 But Ellen was a great mother above everything else. 890 00:42:35,263 --> 00:42:37,390 That's her legacy. 891 00:42:37,474 --> 00:42:41,102 I think her family is still her legacy. 71117

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