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♪♪
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-A husband does
the unthinkable.
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-I was told, "Your father
shot your mother."
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I still don't know
how to take that.
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-There were glaring questions
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that we needed to get
answers to.
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-Was this death
a fatal agreement?
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-In his mind,
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he's someone who gave
his life in exchange for hers.
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-Or is it cold-blooded murder
disguised as a mercy killing?
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-They feared for their lives.
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They thought he would come
and hunt them down.
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-He was overwhelmed.
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He was just gonna take matters
into his own hands.
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[ Gunshot ]
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-In the end, you can't go around
playing God.
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[ Line rings ]
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-On March 27, 2017,
there was a call to 911
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about a shooting outside
of a memory care center.
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The caller calmly reported
what he had done
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and was relatively unemotional.
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The caller is
62-year-old Stephen Kruspe.
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The victim was his wife,
61-year-old Pam Kruspe.
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-Given the bizarre nature
of the call,
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detectives approach
the scene with a mix
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of curiosity and dread.
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-When that call came out,
my mindset was, you know,
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"This is not possible.
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Someone's just not calling
to say, 'I just did this.'
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This could be a prank."
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As I'm driving along,
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the dispatchers were
giving us additional details
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that made me realize,
"Oh, this is actually real.
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This person is still
on the phone."
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-At one point,
he's talking to her still,
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as if she's still alive.
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It was almost like he was
in some kind of disbelief.
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-As we approached Parkside,
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it's an assisted-living facility
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and it is pretty much the only
physical building on that block.
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We're expecting
some sort of chaos
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because we're responding
to a shooting.
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When we approached,
we saw nothing.
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The parking lot was empty,
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so that even added to
our confusion.
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So, we're communicating
on a radio with our dispatchers,
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asking, "Hey, have the person
come out to the parking lot
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so we can see them."
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Officers are looking for him
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and then dispatchers were still
trying to get him to come out,
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but he was hesitant.
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Once he actually listened,
he came out to the parking lot.
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When we laid eyes on him,
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we didn't see
a typical homicidal maniac.
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We just saw an older man
who does not appear
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that he can hurt a fly,
just walking out.
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He was not agitated,
you know, he looked a bit sad,
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but he was quite cooperative
at the time.
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Once we put handcuffs on him,
we asked him,
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"Okay, where's the gun
and where's your wife?"
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And he told us,
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"She's in the back
of the building by the patio."
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Lo and behold, we found her
on the ground in the grass,
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just a few feet away
from the actual patio.
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We did not see
a bloody murder scene.
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All we saw was a lady laying
there on her back
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with a very small wound
on her chest.
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She was shot.
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-It was at close range.
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There were not multiple shots
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and there was
very little blood for someone
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who was shot to death
in the heart.
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It looks like it was done
by someone
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who really knew what
he was doing
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and wanted to end
her life right away.
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This was no ordinary
perpetrator,
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this was a marksman,
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this was someone who knew
where exactly to shoot.
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-As we looked at the body,
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there's nothing about the body
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that suggested
any kind of struggle.
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No scratch marks,
no defensive wound.
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We did find the gun
with five additional rounds
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in the magazine and the gun
was already made safe
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and placed on a half wall
at the patio.
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-It's clear to police
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Stephen Kruspe
isn't trying to hide.
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His straightforward
and thoughtful cooperation is
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in stark contrast to the crime
before them.
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But he is clear this wasn't
a struggle or an accident.
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It was a request.
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-He said, "I just shot my wife.
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She asked me to do it."
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We were in disbelief,
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and she's not here
to actually speak for herself.
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The way I looked at it,
automatically, I'm like,
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"This is a homicide,"
and we had the person
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who did it in custody.
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It may appear that okay, yes, he
was doing something to help her,
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but ultimately he is a killer.
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You killed your wife
and it is, in fact, a crime.
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-The night of the incident,
I was 37.
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My sister called and said,
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"You need to get down to
Parkside," and I was like, "Why?
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What's going on?"
"There's been an incident.
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I can't tell you.
Get down there.
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You got to go."
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"O...kay."
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My mom was at Parkside
assisted-living facility
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for about two to three months
at this point.
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I honestly thought, like,
my mom had injured herself.
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She was diagnosed with
frontal temporal lobe dementia
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a little more than a year
before this happened.
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It's a very aggressive form
of Alzheimer's and at night,
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a lot of times,
my mom would get aggressive
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and so I figured this may
have been one of those incidents
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and they just needed
somebody else down there
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to help control the situation.
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I get there
and there's cops everywhere.
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This is a little more than
just my mom being aggressive.
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And I remember walking
up to the scene and there was
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a police officer there
and he was like, "Who are you?
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Can I help you?"
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"Uh, my name is Matthew Kruspe.
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My father and mother are here,"
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and, uh,
a detective came towards me.
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He goes, "Um, I need --
I need to inform you
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that your mother's deceased,"
and he was like,
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"Um, your father shot
your mother."
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I didn't -- I-I-I--
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I still don't know
how to take that.
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My mom was a huge influence
in my life.
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She was honestly
the strongest woman that I know.
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My initial reaction is like,
"You've got to be kidding me.
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Like, what happened?"
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My mom and dad met
at a Marine Corps ball in 1974.
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-She was working as a civilian
at a Navy contractor
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and he was in the Marines
guarding
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Arlington National Cemetery.
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He was willing to dance
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when none of the other guys
were willing to dance
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and they danced together.
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-One of their favorite things
to do was swing dance
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and they could move.
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They could --
They could really, really move.
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-Pam and Steve
complemented each other.
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They were two sides
of each other's heart.
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They always were thoughtful
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and respectful about
what each other thought and felt
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and they didn't operate
unless it was together.
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[ Camera shutter clicks ]
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-They got married in 1976
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and they had three children
in four years.
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Andrew was the oldest
and then Stephanie
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and then Matthew was
the youngest.
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He was born in 1980.
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-The children were always
respectful, happy, playful,
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fun, curious and just
delightful, delightful children.
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-My parents were married
for 47 years,
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but the first half
of my childhood,
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my dad was always gone.
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You know,
he was in the military.
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He was constantly deployed here
or there,
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come home for a few months
and leave.
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-Stationed in North Carolina
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as part of Special
Warfare Operations,
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Steve's mission was to train
America's elite soldiers,
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Navy SEALs and Green Berets.
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-A lot of the stuff he does,
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I don't know
and probably never will know.
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But when he was deployed,
my mother was God.
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She had to be the head
of the household.
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She had to be
the disciplinarian.
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But she also was my mom.
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So she had this loving, caring,
nurturing side of that.
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-In 1994, Stephen retires
from the Marines.
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After settling his family
in Florida,
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he devotes his time
to the classroom,
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training high school students
through ROTC.
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But by 2001,
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retirement leads him
to an unexpected new passion.
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-When he retired from
the military after 23 years,
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he became a lighthouse keeper
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and Pam would go
and help him there.
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-My parents were married
for 47 years
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and they just gave me the
best example of what it means
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to truly love someone else.
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You know, the selflessness,
you know what I mean?
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The sacrifices for each other
and you could see that.
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And now I have
a police officer telling me
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that my father shot my mother.
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I was pissed.
I was angry.
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I was trying to push back that
cop to go in the back
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to find out what was going on.
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And my wife is standing
to my -- to my right
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and she sees my dad being
escorted in handcuffs.
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I didn't see him.
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Had I saw him that night,
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I would have probably been
in jail myself.
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I would have went after
my father.
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I was --
I was enraged, you know,
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because I was just told
that he killed my mother.
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Come to find out,
like we saw later,
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that just wasn't clear cut
as it -- as it should be.
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-No other family member said
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that Pam Kruspe
wanted to commit suicide.
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Pam wanting to die
was perhaps a creation
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♪♪
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-Matthew Kruspe and his two
siblings are looking for answers
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after learning their father,
Stephen,
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is responsible for
the death of their mother, Pam.
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-My sister, she --
she arrived at the facility.
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My brother didn't come
till later.
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We were just kind of in shock.
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We didn't really understand
what was going on.
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-Within a couple of hours
of the crime,
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Stephen Kruspe is taken to the
Boynton Beach Police Department,
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where he's interrogated.
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When they asked Stephen Kruspe
if he was hurting,
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he said it was his heart
and that really will get you
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because here's a person who,
by all accounts,
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loved his wife dearly.
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Police, meanwhile,
who are sympathetic to him,
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are still trying to drill down
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whether this was the crime
out of compassion for his wife
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or a crime of convenience.
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-Stephen told the detective that
Pam started forgetting things
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and getting agitated
about four years earlier.
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The simplest tasks were
just overwhelming to her.
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-She noticed she was having
issues at work with the numbers
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and I just thought
that was kind of odd
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because numbers were
always her thing.
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-She had been diagnosed
with early onset Alzheimer's
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at, like, age 59,
which is really, really rare.
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-A lot of things,
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rapidly, that she loved to do,
she could no longer do anymore.
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She could brush her own teeth,
but I had to remind her.
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She could eat on her own,
but I had to remind her.
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This strongest woman I know...
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♪♪
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...and in this moment, she's,
you know, reduced to a child.
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-There were times when
it became sometimes combative
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and even violent.
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-Sometimes she was very aware
and she knew what was going on
251
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and then other times,
she completely had no control
252
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and I think that
must have been terrifying.
253
00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:42,025
-Despite moments of clarity,
Pam's violent outbursts
254
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and refusal to come to terms
with her condition
255
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leave her family struggling
to get her the help she needs.
256
00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:06,966
-This is not Pam Kruspe
they all knew,
257
00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,178
this was someone
in the body of Pam Kruspe
258
00:16:10,303 --> 00:16:14,766
who mentally was someone
entirely different.
259
00:16:14,891 --> 00:16:18,561
-They got to a point in 2016
where they made a decision,
260
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as a family, to go ahead and put
her in a memory care facility,
261
00:16:22,023 --> 00:16:26,319
but she absolutely hated
being in that facility.
262
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-There were times
she thought she was working
263
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at the assisted living, that
she was there to help people,
264
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:32,117
because she just
didn't understand she was
265
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one of the patients.
266
00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:44,921
-Stephen walks investigators
through the moments
267
00:16:45,005 --> 00:16:47,716
leading up to shooting his wife.
268
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-It was early evening.
269
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They went and had a coffee
270
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and then he drove her back to
the facility in the parking lot.
271
00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,379
-The whole time, she's
pretty much begging him, like,
272
00:17:26,421 --> 00:17:28,173
"If you loved me,
you would do this."
273
00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:31,885
It just was getting more
and more and more desperate.
274
00:17:45,315 --> 00:17:50,570
-Stephen Kruspe, a Marine,
kept a gun in his car.
275
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-He stood really close.
276
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Almost close enough,
277
00:18:18,765 --> 00:18:20,850
he could have kissed her and he
held the gun against her chest.
278
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:22,686
-According to Stephen,
279
00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:24,312
she seemed to be encouraged
by seeing the gun
280
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and wanted to die.
281
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282
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-In an interview room
in Boynton Beach, Florida,
283
00:18:43,748 --> 00:18:46,418
Stephen Kruspe gives
a harrowing account
284
00:18:46,501 --> 00:18:49,504
of how he helped his wife, Pam,
end her life.
285
00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:01,725
-And the gun went off.
286
00:19:01,766 --> 00:19:04,394
[ Gunshot ]
287
00:19:04,436 --> 00:19:06,354
The bullet went
through her heart.
288
00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:26,875
-He explained
that when he looked at her face,
289
00:19:26,958 --> 00:19:28,543
all he saw was relief.
290
00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,010
-He put the onus on her
291
00:19:37,052 --> 00:19:40,430
that this was a killing
because the victim wanted it.
292
00:19:40,472 --> 00:19:44,601
He was adamant that it was
an assisted suicide, not murder.
293
00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:47,896
He said he did it
for compassionate reasons.
294
00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:51,358
But even though Stephen said
that Pam wanted to die,
295
00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:54,235
in this situation,
he said that he did it.
296
00:19:54,361 --> 00:19:56,404
He's the one
who pulled the trigger.
297
00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:58,573
-The state of Florida
does not have mercy killing.
298
00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,367
If you take someone's life,
299
00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:04,037
regardless of the reason
you give us, it is still murder.
300
00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:05,955
-At the end of the interview,
he's arrested.
301
00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:10,168
He's taken into custody
and charged with murder.
302
00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:12,087
As per normal practice,
303
00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:15,256
law enforcement did
a DNA swab not only of Kruspe,
304
00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:17,550
but also of the gun.
305
00:20:17,634 --> 00:20:19,469
Stephen told law enforcement
306
00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,971
that he had thought about doing
this before,
307
00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:26,851
so this showed premeditation
and that's first-degree murder.
308
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,770
According to the state
of Florida,
309
00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:31,356
that makes you not only
eligible for life in prison
310
00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:33,108
but the death penalty.
311
00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:39,489
-Stephen Kruspe made
it clear from the outset
312
00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,491
that he was not guilty of murder
313
00:20:41,616 --> 00:20:46,037
and that the reality was
that Pam wanted to die.
314
00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:51,334
She had been asking Steve for a
long time to help her with that.
315
00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:56,506
He was hoping
that she would change her mind,
316
00:20:56,589 --> 00:21:00,468
but he also understood
that by having the gun
317
00:21:00,552 --> 00:21:04,347
that it made it possible
for -- for this to happen.
318
00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:06,516
His only objective and only wish
319
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:11,980
was to see this charge
reflect the truthfulness
320
00:21:12,022 --> 00:21:14,274
of what occurred.
321
00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:15,775
-As Stephen remains in jail,
322
00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:17,986
insisting it was
a mercy killing,
323
00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:20,321
detectives look
to the three Kruspe children
324
00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:23,199
who struggled to comprehend
their father's claims
325
00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:25,118
as they speak to police.
326
00:21:25,243 --> 00:21:26,870
-Oh, the kids were in shock.
327
00:21:26,995 --> 00:21:29,414
They were kind of in disbelief
that this had happened
328
00:21:29,456 --> 00:21:32,834
and they were disappointed that
their dad hadn't talked to them
329
00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:36,004
or asked for help,
or let them know how bad it was.
330
00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,089
-I believe
he murdered my mother.
331
00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:40,175
I do not want to talk to you.
332
00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:44,929
I have nothing
to say to you at all.
333
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:48,266
-Andrew, Stephen's oldest son
and Stephanie, his daughter,
334
00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:52,020
also thought he was a murderer,
basically, that they had --
335
00:21:52,103 --> 00:21:54,439
He had taken the easy way
and murdered their mom.
336
00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,289
They started telling the cops
337
00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:14,626
that he was overwhelmed
by trying to take care of Pam
338
00:22:14,668 --> 00:22:16,169
and he wasn't asking for help
339
00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:19,214
and he could have
asked for help.
340
00:22:29,808 --> 00:22:31,810
They said that he was one
of these people
341
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:35,271
who had such hubris about being
able to take care of everything
342
00:22:35,313 --> 00:22:37,315
and fix it,
343
00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:41,152
that he was just going to take
matters into his own hands.
344
00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:43,405
-One key detail
Stephen gave police
345
00:22:43,488 --> 00:22:46,574
is firmly rejected
by his children.
346
00:22:46,658 --> 00:22:48,201
-No other family member said
347
00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:52,997
that Pam Kruspe
wanted to commit suicide.
348
00:22:53,123 --> 00:22:54,708
-I knew she was declining,
349
00:22:54,749 --> 00:22:56,710
but she had very lucid moments
with us.
350
00:22:56,751 --> 00:22:58,920
She would never flat out say,
"I want to kill myself.
351
00:22:59,045 --> 00:23:00,422
I want to die."
352
00:23:02,841 --> 00:23:05,093
-Also Pam Kruspe was
very religious.
353
00:23:05,176 --> 00:23:07,262
She converted to Catholicism
354
00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:10,807
and so suicide would be
a real no-no.
355
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,101
-In the Catholic Church,
if you take your own life,
356
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,186
you're, you know,
eternally damned.
357
00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:18,898
-And that's
why her family and others
358
00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:21,234
thought
that the whole wanting to die
359
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,363
was perhaps a creation
in Stephen Kruspe's mind.
360
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:29,659
-On April 10th,
361
00:23:29,784 --> 00:23:32,162
less than a month after
Pam Kruspe was shot and killed,
362
00:23:32,287 --> 00:23:36,124
her husband, Stephen, appears
in court for his arraignment.
363
00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:37,584
-We announced
that we were seeking
364
00:23:37,667 --> 00:23:39,669
first-degree murder charges.
365
00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:44,257
We also said that we would not
be seeking the death penalty.
366
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,134
As prosecutors,
we're human beings, too,
367
00:23:46,217 --> 00:23:49,387
and we're sympathetic to the
fact that he was a caregiver
368
00:23:49,429 --> 00:23:51,222
and he loved his wife.
369
00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:55,185
But in the end,
you can't go around playing God.
370
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:59,481
-Stephen pled not guilty
and said
371
00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:02,275
that this was
not premeditated murder.
372
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,444
-Stephen and Pam's
youngest son, Matthew,
373
00:24:04,569 --> 00:24:08,198
finds that as time passes
following Pam's death,
374
00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:11,493
he begins to see more
of his father's side.
375
00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:13,203
-It took me
about a month and a half
376
00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:16,081
after the incident took place.
377
00:24:16,206 --> 00:24:19,501
I had gotten over my anger
378
00:24:19,542 --> 00:24:21,419
and I just started to process,
you know,
379
00:24:21,461 --> 00:24:24,422
what was my mom going through,
what was my dad going through?
380
00:24:24,547 --> 00:24:27,092
Do I agree of what he did?
381
00:24:27,217 --> 00:24:29,969
No, absolutely not.
382
00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,430
Of course I didn't agree
with it,
383
00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,265
but I understood why.
384
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,396
My dad's a fixer.
385
00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:43,900
If something's wrong, he's gonna
figure out why and fix it.
386
00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:48,196
And the one thing he couldn't do
387
00:24:48,238 --> 00:24:53,952
and would have never been
able to do...
388
00:24:54,035 --> 00:24:55,370
is fix my mother.
389
00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:00,917
I didn't know a lot
390
00:25:01,042 --> 00:25:07,298
of what my dad was going through
at this time.
391
00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:10,802
Um, a little bit of me
feels guilty.
392
00:25:10,927 --> 00:25:13,763
I was there for my mother,
393
00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:17,017
but I was not involved
in a lot of her care
394
00:25:17,142 --> 00:25:20,645
and I could have been
there maybe a little more.
395
00:25:24,232 --> 00:25:27,485
If my mom was
truly aware of what was going on
396
00:25:27,527 --> 00:25:29,529
and I believe she was,
397
00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:32,240
my mom didn't want to live
like this
398
00:25:32,282 --> 00:25:37,245
and I think they both
had a hand in it.
399
00:25:37,328 --> 00:25:38,747
-This change of heart
is welcomed
400
00:25:38,788 --> 00:25:40,582
by Stephen's defense team,
401
00:25:40,623 --> 00:25:44,127
who are gearing up
for an arduous battle.
402
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,130
-As we started defending
the case, it was clear
403
00:25:47,172 --> 00:25:50,675
that the police felt
it was an open and shut case.
404
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,635
As a result of that,
405
00:25:52,761 --> 00:25:56,514
they didn't examine and evaluate
everything that should have been
406
00:25:56,556 --> 00:25:58,099
and there were glaring questions
407
00:25:58,224 --> 00:26:01,227
that we needed to get
answers to.
408
00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:03,897
The big question was,
was there reason
409
00:26:04,022 --> 00:26:07,567
to suspect
that this was possibly a suicide
410
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:10,820
as opposed to a homicide?
411
00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:13,740
And was there more investigation
412
00:26:25,293 --> 00:26:29,631
♪♪
413
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:32,425
-Accused of killing his wife,
Pam,
414
00:26:32,550 --> 00:26:34,636
Stephen Kruspe
watches from jail
415
00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:40,100
as his case stalls for months,
then years.
416
00:26:40,183 --> 00:26:41,768
-Because it's a homicide,
417
00:26:41,893 --> 00:26:44,938
these court cases take
a very long time.
418
00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:47,607
And the fact
that COVID happened
419
00:26:47,732 --> 00:26:49,776
delayed the process even longer.
420
00:26:49,943 --> 00:26:51,903
So, he was in jail, in prison,
421
00:26:51,986 --> 00:26:54,698
awaiting trial
for quite a bit of time.
422
00:26:54,823 --> 00:26:57,158
-While both sides wait for
their day in court,
423
00:26:57,242 --> 00:27:00,245
the Kruspe siblings work
on finding common ground,
424
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:02,122
despite their differences.
425
00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:03,873
-Me and my brother and sister,
426
00:27:03,915 --> 00:27:07,002
for about two or three years
after the incident,
427
00:27:07,085 --> 00:27:09,337
we still had a good standing,
good relationship.
428
00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:11,756
I, at this point,
supported my dad.
429
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,342
They -- They supported
my mom's side.
430
00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:16,720
But we still talked
because we made an agreement.
431
00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:18,388
We said,
432
00:27:18,471 --> 00:27:20,015
"Hey, let's not let
this destroy us
433
00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:22,183
because it really
doesn't involve us.
434
00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,062
So, let's let
the courts handle this
435
00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:30,734
and let's not let
this ruin our relationship."
436
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,445
-Three years pass until in 2020,
437
00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:37,741
the family prepares to meet in
court again for a bond hearing.
438
00:27:37,782 --> 00:27:42,287
-In Florida, the court
has discretion to grant bond.
439
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:48,501
We took a considerable amount
of time to build a defense case,
440
00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,587
to say
that he should get a bond,
441
00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:55,925
so that he can be at home and we
can finish preparing the case.
442
00:27:55,967 --> 00:28:01,431
We had witnesses from
all walks of life, military,
443
00:28:01,473 --> 00:28:04,726
people that knew him
in his personal life and family,
444
00:28:04,893 --> 00:28:07,437
Matthew, who had prepared
a bedroom for him
445
00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:09,981
and a place to stay.
446
00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:11,524
-Everything was fine.
447
00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:14,944
A week or two before my dad's
bond hearing,
448
00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:19,199
that was the moment things
and people shifted.
449
00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:21,868
I get a call from my brother.
450
00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:23,745
"What do you know about
this bond hearing?
451
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:26,164
What about the bond hearing?
Did you know about it?"
452
00:28:26,247 --> 00:28:29,292
"Yes, I did."
"Why didn't you tell any of us?"
453
00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:30,919
"I thought we made an agreement
454
00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:33,129
to let the courts handle
the courts."
455
00:28:33,171 --> 00:28:35,256
He was like, "Yeah, but
this is a little more serious.
456
00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:36,883
Are you thinking about taking
him in?"
457
00:28:36,925 --> 00:28:39,302
And I was like,
"Yeah, if it goes down."
458
00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:42,597
And then we 3-way'd my
sister in and it just got more
459
00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:44,015
and more and more.
460
00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:45,392
You know, they said some things,
461
00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:46,559
"I can't believe you're,
you know,
462
00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:49,979
you would take in a murderer."
463
00:28:50,105 --> 00:28:52,732
-The tensions between the family
come to a head
464
00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:54,651
on the day of the hearing.
465
00:28:54,693 --> 00:28:56,820
-About six months after COVID
shut everything down,
466
00:28:56,861 --> 00:29:00,240
he finally got a bond hearing
in September of 2020
467
00:29:00,323 --> 00:29:02,992
and everybody in the court
were masked.
468
00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:06,079
-All three siblings testify
at the bond hearing,
469
00:29:06,121 --> 00:29:09,207
Matthew for the defense
and Andrew and Stephanie
470
00:29:09,249 --> 00:29:11,251
on the side of the prosecution.
471
00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:14,838
-This was a split family
and this was something
472
00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:19,926
that really weighed
on those who loved Pam Kruspe.
473
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:25,515
-Stephanie basically told
the judge
474
00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:26,975
that she didn't trust her dad.
475
00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:33,940
There was no way, after
what he had done with the mom,
476
00:29:34,065 --> 00:29:35,734
that she could believe in him.
477
00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:37,318
He had sacrificed their trust.
478
00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:44,534
-My brother and sister,
479
00:29:44,617 --> 00:29:46,494
they called him narcissistic,
480
00:29:46,578 --> 00:29:50,749
they called him controlling,
unstable, irrational.
481
00:29:57,756 --> 00:30:00,050
They feared for their lives.
482
00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:02,844
They thought my dad would come
and hunt them down.
483
00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,856
They both painted a view I never
knew they had of my father.
484
00:30:14,898 --> 00:30:18,318
But two, one
that doesn't exist of my father.
485
00:30:18,443 --> 00:30:20,028
-Stephen's oldest son, Andrew,
486
00:30:20,111 --> 00:30:21,905
was on Zoom
for the bond hearing as well
487
00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:25,033
and he was vehement
that he'd just stay in jail.
488
00:30:40,465 --> 00:30:44,844
-When Andrew appeared remotely
at the bond hearing
489
00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:47,430
and said,
"I heard my dad say
490
00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:50,266
that he wanted to put
a round in her chest,"
491
00:30:50,392 --> 00:30:52,852
it's really damning, not only
because it shows premeditation,
492
00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:54,771
but it also shows
493
00:30:54,813 --> 00:30:58,525
that Stephen Kruspe
allegedly had this intention
494
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,985
before things got even worse,
495
00:31:01,027 --> 00:31:05,115
that he was thinking about it
at least a year in advance.
496
00:31:05,198 --> 00:31:09,411
-My dad was hurt for a while
because of my brother and sister
497
00:31:09,494 --> 00:31:12,080
and the things they said
during that bond hearing.
498
00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,249
He still loves them.
He still cares for them.
499
00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:16,251
Don't think that he doesn't,
500
00:31:16,334 --> 00:31:20,755
but he's hurt because
the words don't line up with
501
00:31:20,797 --> 00:31:23,049
how we were raised
with what took place.
502
00:31:23,174 --> 00:31:26,261
He feels abandoned by them.
503
00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:28,263
-When the judge announced
her ruling,
504
00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:29,931
she denied bond,
505
00:31:30,056 --> 00:31:32,809
saying the evidence
of premeditated murder
506
00:31:32,892 --> 00:31:35,937
was too strong to release him.
507
00:31:36,104 --> 00:31:38,356
-He was being put on trial
for murder.
508
00:31:38,481 --> 00:31:41,192
What's to say he wouldn't try
to kill himself or others,
509
00:31:41,234 --> 00:31:44,112
especially because he seemingly
had some sort of Messiah complex
510
00:31:44,154 --> 00:31:46,531
where he believed in killing
other people
511
00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:48,366
for their own benefit.
512
00:31:48,408 --> 00:31:51,995
We were there to do justice
for Pam.
513
00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:54,998
This was an unjustified killing,
514
00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:59,252
a homicide that needed to
be punished appropriately
515
00:31:59,377 --> 00:32:01,129
and we were not going to stop.
516
00:32:10,555 --> 00:32:16,269
♪♪
517
00:32:17,228 --> 00:32:19,105
-After a contentious
bond hearing,
518
00:32:19,147 --> 00:32:22,525
Stephen Kruspe is denied bond
and sent back to prison
519
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:26,112
to await trial
for the murder of his wife, Pam.
520
00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:27,989
-Stephen went back to jail
521
00:32:28,073 --> 00:32:31,826
and our focus turned
on finding the best experts
522
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:37,040
in crime-scene reconstruction
and DNA analysis,
523
00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:39,459
all with the objective to prove
524
00:32:39,501 --> 00:32:44,172
that this was an assisted
suicide and not a murder.
525
00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:47,092
-The defense enlists
forensics expert Tiffany Roy
526
00:32:47,175 --> 00:32:48,843
to aid their case.
527
00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:50,970
They ask her to go back
over the evidence collected
528
00:32:51,096 --> 00:32:53,014
at the time of the incident.
529
00:32:53,098 --> 00:32:55,392
-The first thing
I do in every case
530
00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:58,436
when I get the case file notes
is to check for human error,
531
00:32:58,561 --> 00:33:02,607
because human people do this
work and they make mistakes.
532
00:33:02,691 --> 00:33:04,776
-As we're going through
this process,
533
00:33:04,901 --> 00:33:09,489
we found out that Pamela's
hands should have been tested
534
00:33:09,614 --> 00:33:11,616
for gunshot residue
and were not.
535
00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:13,284
-Back at the time,
536
00:33:13,368 --> 00:33:15,328
this was such an open
and shut case
537
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:18,707
that the medical examiner had no
evidence of GSR,
538
00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:20,250
gunshot residue.
539
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:23,003
This is missing.
This data would be important.
540
00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:25,630
-The presence or absence
of gunshot residue
541
00:33:25,714 --> 00:33:27,382
on someone's hands
might be telling.
542
00:33:27,507 --> 00:33:29,926
-If gunshot-residue testing
had been done,
543
00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:31,720
as it should have been,
544
00:33:31,845 --> 00:33:36,558
it could have shown that
Pam assisted in the suicide.
545
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,310
-Seeing this discrepancy,
546
00:33:39,352 --> 00:33:41,312
the defense strategy is
to turn the State's evidence
547
00:33:41,396 --> 00:33:43,565
against them
in an effort to show
548
00:33:43,606 --> 00:33:46,234
that not enough was done
to rule out suicide
549
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,779
as the cause of Pam's death,
starting with the DNA.
550
00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:51,531
-DNA was important in this case
551
00:33:51,573 --> 00:33:53,241
because they tested
the murder weapon,
552
00:33:53,283 --> 00:33:56,036
which was a gun
that was owned by Mr. Kruspe
553
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,747
and drew conclusions
that Mr. Kruspe's DNA was
554
00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:00,749
on his own firearm.
555
00:34:00,832 --> 00:34:03,501
But the tools that
were being used at the crime lab
556
00:34:03,626 --> 00:34:08,590
can only examine certain parts
and pieces of the profile.
557
00:34:08,715 --> 00:34:11,176
So there were things
that were being missed.
558
00:34:11,259 --> 00:34:13,219
And so,
we needed a higher-powered tool
559
00:34:13,345 --> 00:34:17,140
to examine that information.
560
00:34:17,182 --> 00:34:21,394
-Tiffany helped us do
additional testing on samples
561
00:34:21,478 --> 00:34:24,105
that law enforcement have.
562
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:27,317
-There were several samples
after they were examined
563
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,069
that showed DNA traits
564
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:33,031
that were similar to Mrs. Kruspe
on the firearm.
565
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:38,036
The area where Mrs. Kruspe's DNA
was most present was the grip
566
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:39,746
and that made it
a very real possibility
567
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:42,457
that she could have handled
that weapon.
568
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,292
-This was huge,
569
00:34:44,376 --> 00:34:46,795
because her contact with the gun
suggests that, in fact,
570
00:34:46,878 --> 00:34:50,757
she was involved in
the discharging of the weapon.
571
00:34:52,801 --> 00:34:57,013
-But can the presence of her DNA
alone prove assisted suicide?
572
00:34:57,097 --> 00:35:00,809
-We could argue, as prosecutors,
that she did not want to die.
573
00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:02,477
She was trying
to push the gun away.
574
00:35:02,602 --> 00:35:04,145
-We knew the prosecutor
would attempt
575
00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:06,940
to show a pushing away
of the gun.
576
00:35:07,065 --> 00:35:11,069
So, we hired an expert
on firearms,
577
00:35:11,111 --> 00:35:14,531
forensic reconstruction
of shootings
578
00:35:14,572 --> 00:35:18,910
and he reconstructed
the shooting to see
579
00:35:18,993 --> 00:35:22,831
whether or not the wounds
to the shirt
580
00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:28,003
and the DNA on the gun
were consistent with showing
581
00:35:28,044 --> 00:35:32,007
that Pam embraced
and pulled the gun toward her.
582
00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:37,178
This showed
that Steve did not act alone
583
00:35:37,262 --> 00:35:41,057
and that Pam very likely
assisted in her own death.
584
00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:44,644
-This stunning evidence suggests
Pamela may have assisted
585
00:35:44,769 --> 00:35:46,396
in the shooting that night.
586
00:35:46,521 --> 00:35:49,190
Stephen never mentioned
this detail to anyone,
587
00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,484
including his
own defense attorney.
588
00:35:51,568 --> 00:35:53,903
-I think the reason
he didn't mention
589
00:35:54,029 --> 00:35:57,866
the specific act
of pulling the gun toward her
590
00:35:57,949 --> 00:36:02,495
at the time was that the
investigators never asked
591
00:36:02,579 --> 00:36:05,707
for the specifics
in terms of how it happened.
592
00:36:05,749 --> 00:36:09,336
He said he shot his wife.
That was uncontested.
593
00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:12,922
However, they never asked
what Pam did
594
00:36:12,964 --> 00:36:15,258
or what role
she may have played.
595
00:36:15,342 --> 00:36:18,011
And so,
by not asking the questions,
596
00:36:18,053 --> 00:36:21,639
the investigation never
got into that part of the case.
597
00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,934
I also think that often
under periods of stress,
598
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:32,192
people sometimes don't remember
everything exactly as it happens
599
00:36:32,275 --> 00:36:35,820
and they oftentimes
will fill in gaps
600
00:36:35,904 --> 00:36:38,990
or missing information
with information
601
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:42,577
that's most detrimental
to themselves.
602
00:36:42,702 --> 00:36:46,081
And because of her faith
as a strong Catholic,
603
00:36:46,164 --> 00:36:49,876
on some level, he believed
that by not talking about that,
604
00:36:50,001 --> 00:36:52,629
he was protecting her
in a sense.
605
00:36:52,754 --> 00:36:56,257
-The defense informs Stephen's
son Matthew of their findings,
606
00:36:56,341 --> 00:36:59,886
which forces him to reconsider
his mother's final moments.
607
00:37:00,011 --> 00:37:02,263
-There's no other way
that my mom's DNA
608
00:37:02,347 --> 00:37:05,475
could have got on there
unless she was holding that gun.
609
00:37:05,558 --> 00:37:10,647
After the DNA evidence,
what I believe happened is,
610
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:14,776
yes, my father went to the car
and got the gun.
611
00:37:14,901 --> 00:37:19,656
Yes, my father presented it
to my mother.
612
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:24,577
At which point, um, my mother...
613
00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:27,706
[ Sighs ]
614
00:37:27,789 --> 00:37:32,127
I still --
I still battle with this.
615
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:34,963
Like...[sighs]
616
00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:37,382
I believe
my mom took her own life
617
00:37:37,424 --> 00:37:40,468
and my father did give
her the gun.
618
00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:44,014
And when...
619
00:37:44,097 --> 00:37:48,018
when she shot herself, um,
620
00:37:48,101 --> 00:37:51,604
just all the guilt of it
came back to my father.
621
00:37:51,688 --> 00:37:54,149
So, I do believe
my dad had a portion in it.
622
00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:57,694
I don't think he solely pulled
the trigger himself.
623
00:37:57,736 --> 00:37:59,738
I think the ultimate decision
624
00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:03,867
to take my mother's life
was my mother's.
625
00:38:04,826 --> 00:38:08,246
-Faced with the defense's new
evidence of assisted suicide,
626
00:38:08,288 --> 00:38:11,416
the state's attorney
needs to rethink their approach.
627
00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:14,461
-This was a game changer
because we were all set
628
00:38:14,502 --> 00:38:17,464
to pursue murder charges
and when you're a prosecutor,
629
00:38:17,547 --> 00:38:20,091
you have to prove cases
beyond a reasonable doubt.
630
00:38:20,175 --> 00:38:22,552
The fact
that we now had some doubt meant
631
00:38:22,635 --> 00:38:24,262
that the jury certainly would.
632
00:38:34,647 --> 00:38:40,362
♪♪
633
00:38:41,613 --> 00:38:43,531
-What seemed like
a straightforward murder case
634
00:38:43,656 --> 00:38:46,409
against Stephen Kruspe
takes a turn
635
00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:48,411
when forensic evidence gives
the defense room
636
00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:50,955
to argue it was a mercy killing.
637
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,917
-The defense paid a lot of money
for an expert,
638
00:38:54,042 --> 00:39:00,632
who then revealed that Pam's DNA
was found on the grip of the gun
639
00:39:00,757 --> 00:39:03,468
and that's why we decided
to enter into conversations
640
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:06,554
about lowering the charge.
641
00:39:06,596 --> 00:39:08,848
In Florida,
there's a rarely used statute,
642
00:39:09,015 --> 00:39:13,144
a manslaughter
by assisted suicide.
643
00:39:13,186 --> 00:39:16,439
So, we met the evidence where
it was and told the defense
644
00:39:16,606 --> 00:39:19,442
that we'd be willing
to enter into an agreement
645
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:22,987
where the defendant would
plead guilty to manslaughter
646
00:39:23,113 --> 00:39:24,823
by assisted suicide
647
00:39:24,906 --> 00:39:28,618
and would leave it up to
the judge to do the sentencing.
648
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:33,915
-When Stephen learned
of the offer, he was relieved.
649
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,626
He felt that finally,
after six years,
650
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:41,339
we were getting an offer that
was consistent with the truth
651
00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:45,135
and at that time
he pled guilty to manslaughter
652
00:39:45,176 --> 00:39:47,262
by assisted suicide.
653
00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:51,474
-In August 2023,
654
00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:55,812
Stephen finally gets to go back
to court for sentencing.
655
00:39:55,895 --> 00:39:57,856
-With no priors,
656
00:39:57,897 --> 00:40:01,526
he was eligible for a sentence
of between 10 and 30 years.
657
00:40:03,069 --> 00:40:06,322
Our case was reinforced by the
fact that the family members,
658
00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:08,867
at least almost all of them,
were on our side.
659
00:40:08,908 --> 00:40:11,828
They were the ones who wanted
Stephen Kruspe to go to prison
660
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:13,413
as long as possible.
661
00:40:13,538 --> 00:40:14,706
They clearly did not like him.
662
00:40:14,873 --> 00:40:16,708
They hated what he did.
663
00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:19,544
They did not forgive him and
they wanted the maximum penalty.
664
00:40:19,711 --> 00:40:21,504
-During sentencing,
665
00:40:21,546 --> 00:40:26,092
my brother and sister
gave victim impact statements.
666
00:40:26,176 --> 00:40:29,304
I-I -- A lot of the stuff
they said to me was just...
667
00:40:31,556 --> 00:40:34,100
...vindictive.
668
00:40:34,142 --> 00:40:35,977
If you viewed my father
that way,
669
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,355
then why would you even be
around him?
670
00:40:38,396 --> 00:40:41,691
Their words and their actions
didn't line up to me
671
00:40:41,775 --> 00:40:44,652
and I didn't understand that.
672
00:40:44,736 --> 00:40:46,571
-What struck me was
673
00:40:46,696 --> 00:40:51,034
when Stephen Kruspe voluntarily
chose to give a statement
674
00:40:51,076 --> 00:40:54,329
at sentencing and I was
a bit surprised at how defiant
675
00:40:54,371 --> 00:40:55,997
and angry he was.
676
00:40:56,164 --> 00:40:58,041
-He finally gets to speak
in court.
677
00:40:58,083 --> 00:41:01,711
He basically says, "Well,
where was everybody helping me?"
678
00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:04,839
-The judge, she was not
unsympathetic to Stephen Kruspe.
679
00:41:04,923 --> 00:41:08,551
She understood
where he was coming from.
680
00:41:08,635 --> 00:41:10,387
If the family wasn't so adamant,
681
00:41:10,428 --> 00:41:12,681
if Stephanie and Andrew
didn't feel the way they did,
682
00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:16,685
then this would have been
probably treated differently.
683
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:20,021
In the end,
she decided to go for 20 years.
684
00:41:20,105 --> 00:41:24,317
♪♪
685
00:41:24,442 --> 00:41:26,986
-When they came back with 20,
686
00:41:27,112 --> 00:41:30,031
I was just at a loss for words.
687
00:41:30,156 --> 00:41:33,910
It's a life sentence
for my father. He's old.
688
00:41:33,993 --> 00:41:35,745
-In his mind,
689
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:39,374
he's someone who gave
his life in exchange for hers.
690
00:41:39,541 --> 00:41:40,917
He's not going to be
able to be buried
691
00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:43,169
at Arlington National Cemetery.
692
00:41:43,336 --> 00:41:46,631
His family is
permanently divided.
693
00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,634
-My dad is currently 72.
694
00:41:49,801 --> 00:41:52,429
I still go visit him.
695
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:54,973
I talk to him at least once
a week on the phone.
696
00:41:55,056 --> 00:41:58,727
My dad has not spoken to
anybody, my brother or sister,
697
00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:01,104
since the incident.
698
00:42:01,187 --> 00:42:03,690
I have no plans to ever speak
with my brother or sister again.
699
00:42:03,773 --> 00:42:09,738
♪♪
700
00:42:09,904 --> 00:42:11,614
[ Voice breaking ]
I miss my mom a lot.
701
00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:14,909
Um...
702
00:42:15,035 --> 00:42:18,038
She raised me.
She was my best friend.
703
00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:24,586
No matter what
I was going through,
704
00:42:24,753 --> 00:42:29,674
whenever my mother smiled,
I knew it was okay
705
00:42:29,716 --> 00:42:32,969
or it would be all right.
706
00:42:33,136 --> 00:42:35,722
[ Sighs ]
707
00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:39,100
I just want to see
her smile one more time.
56181
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