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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,419 --> 00:00:07,382 ♪♪ 2 00:00:08,216 --> 00:00:10,677 -A husband does the unthinkable. 3 00:00:16,224 --> 00:00:20,186 -I was told, "Your father shot your mother." 4 00:00:20,228 --> 00:00:23,231 I still don't know how to take that. 5 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:24,899 -There were glaring questions 6 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:27,068 that we needed to get answers to. 7 00:00:27,152 --> 00:00:29,696 -Was this death a fatal agreement? 8 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:36,161 -In his mind, 9 00:00:36,244 --> 00:00:38,496 he's someone who gave his life in exchange for hers. 10 00:00:38,538 --> 00:00:42,667 -Or is it cold-blooded murder disguised as a mercy killing? 11 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:44,419 -They feared for their lives. 12 00:00:44,461 --> 00:00:46,546 They thought he would come and hunt them down. 13 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:53,636 -He was overwhelmed. 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,764 He was just gonna take matters into his own hands. 15 00:00:55,847 --> 00:00:57,307 [ Gunshot ] 16 00:00:57,390 --> 00:00:59,601 -In the end, you can't go around playing God. 17 00:00:59,642 --> 00:01:07,442 ♪♪ 18 00:01:07,525 --> 00:01:15,450 ♪♪ 19 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:21,664 ♪♪ 20 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:23,583 [ Line rings ] 21 00:01:38,264 --> 00:01:41,893 -On March 27, 2017, there was a call to 911 22 00:01:41,976 --> 00:01:44,729 about a shooting outside of a memory care center. 23 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:53,905 The caller calmly reported what he had done 24 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:56,950 and was relatively unemotional. 25 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:05,375 The caller is 62-year-old Stephen Kruspe. 26 00:02:05,458 --> 00:02:10,672 The victim was his wife, 61-year-old Pam Kruspe. 27 00:02:15,301 --> 00:02:21,182 ♪♪ 28 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:23,018 -Given the bizarre nature of the call, 29 00:02:23,101 --> 00:02:25,020 detectives approach the scene with a mix 30 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:27,772 of curiosity and dread. 31 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:31,234 -When that call came out, my mindset was, you know, 32 00:02:31,317 --> 00:02:33,111 "This is not possible. 33 00:02:33,194 --> 00:02:34,904 Someone's just not calling to say, 'I just did this.' 34 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:37,032 This could be a prank." 35 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:38,742 As I'm driving along, 36 00:02:38,783 --> 00:02:40,744 the dispatchers were giving us additional details 37 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:43,747 that made me realize, "Oh, this is actually real. 38 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:45,623 This person is still on the phone." 39 00:02:59,929 --> 00:03:01,765 -At one point, he's talking to her still, 40 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:03,808 as if she's still alive. 41 00:03:03,892 --> 00:03:06,394 It was almost like he was in some kind of disbelief. 42 00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:11,316 -As we approached Parkside, 43 00:03:11,358 --> 00:03:13,318 it's an assisted-living facility 44 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,863 and it is pretty much the only physical building on that block. 45 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:19,324 We're expecting some sort of chaos 46 00:03:19,407 --> 00:03:22,243 because we're responding to a shooting. 47 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:25,497 When we approached, we saw nothing. 48 00:03:25,538 --> 00:03:27,207 The parking lot was empty, 49 00:03:27,248 --> 00:03:29,668 so that even added to our confusion. 50 00:03:29,751 --> 00:03:32,504 So, we're communicating on a radio with our dispatchers, 51 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:35,465 asking, "Hey, have the person come out to the parking lot 52 00:03:35,507 --> 00:03:37,425 so we can see them." 53 00:03:46,476 --> 00:03:48,353 Officers are looking for him 54 00:03:48,395 --> 00:03:51,147 and then dispatchers were still trying to get him to come out, 55 00:03:51,189 --> 00:03:53,066 but he was hesitant. 56 00:04:05,036 --> 00:04:08,248 Once he actually listened, he came out to the parking lot. 57 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:10,000 When we laid eyes on him, 58 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:12,794 we didn't see a typical homicidal maniac. 59 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:16,297 We just saw an older man who does not appear 60 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:20,176 that he can hurt a fly, just walking out. 61 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:23,096 He was not agitated, you know, he looked a bit sad, 62 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:26,558 but he was quite cooperative at the time. 63 00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:28,893 Once we put handcuffs on him, we asked him, 64 00:04:28,977 --> 00:04:31,021 "Okay, where's the gun and where's your wife?" 65 00:04:31,104 --> 00:04:32,814 And he told us, 66 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:34,983 "She's in the back of the building by the patio." 67 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:39,320 ♪♪ 68 00:04:39,404 --> 00:04:42,699 Lo and behold, we found her on the ground in the grass, 69 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:45,785 just a few feet away from the actual patio. 70 00:04:48,496 --> 00:04:50,999 We did not see a bloody murder scene. 71 00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:55,211 All we saw was a lady laying there on her back 72 00:04:55,337 --> 00:05:00,050 with a very small wound on her chest. 73 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:02,385 She was shot. 74 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:04,012 -It was at close range. 75 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:05,889 There were not multiple shots 76 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:08,475 and there was very little blood for someone 77 00:05:08,516 --> 00:05:11,770 who was shot to death in the heart. 78 00:05:11,853 --> 00:05:13,271 It looks like it was done by someone 79 00:05:13,438 --> 00:05:15,190 who really knew what he was doing 80 00:05:15,231 --> 00:05:17,359 and wanted to end her life right away. 81 00:05:17,442 --> 00:05:19,402 This was no ordinary perpetrator, 82 00:05:19,444 --> 00:05:21,321 this was a marksman, 83 00:05:21,404 --> 00:05:23,740 this was someone who knew where exactly to shoot. 84 00:05:23,907 --> 00:05:25,283 -As we looked at the body, 85 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:26,910 there's nothing about the body 86 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:29,037 that suggested any kind of struggle. 87 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:33,500 No scratch marks, no defensive wound. 88 00:05:33,625 --> 00:05:36,586 We did find the gun with five additional rounds 89 00:05:36,670 --> 00:05:39,381 in the magazine and the gun was already made safe 90 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:43,176 and placed on a half wall at the patio. 91 00:05:45,303 --> 00:05:46,596 -It's clear to police 92 00:05:46,721 --> 00:05:48,431 Stephen Kruspe isn't trying to hide. 93 00:05:48,473 --> 00:05:50,934 His straightforward and thoughtful cooperation is 94 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:53,478 in stark contrast to the crime before them. 95 00:05:53,603 --> 00:05:57,649 But he is clear this wasn't a struggle or an accident. 96 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,484 It was a request. 97 00:05:59,526 --> 00:06:01,903 -He said, "I just shot my wife. 98 00:06:02,028 --> 00:06:04,239 She asked me to do it." 99 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:05,949 We were in disbelief, 100 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:07,784 and she's not here to actually speak for herself. 101 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:10,453 The way I looked at it, automatically, I'm like, 102 00:06:10,537 --> 00:06:13,164 "This is a homicide," and we had the person 103 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:15,291 who did it in custody. 104 00:06:15,417 --> 00:06:18,920 It may appear that okay, yes, he was doing something to help her, 105 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:20,922 but ultimately he is a killer. 106 00:06:21,006 --> 00:06:25,760 You killed your wife and it is, in fact, a crime. 107 00:06:28,304 --> 00:06:31,558 -The night of the incident, I was 37. 108 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:33,476 My sister called and said, 109 00:06:33,518 --> 00:06:36,521 "You need to get down to Parkside," and I was like, "Why? 110 00:06:36,604 --> 00:06:38,732 What's going on?" "There's been an incident. 111 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:40,817 I can't tell you. Get down there. 112 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,193 You got to go." 113 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:45,321 "O...kay." 114 00:06:45,447 --> 00:06:49,659 My mom was at Parkside assisted-living facility 115 00:06:49,743 --> 00:06:53,204 for about two to three months at this point. 116 00:06:53,329 --> 00:06:57,876 I honestly thought, like, my mom had injured herself. 117 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:01,921 She was diagnosed with frontal temporal lobe dementia 118 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:04,924 a little more than a year before this happened. 119 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:09,304 It's a very aggressive form of Alzheimer's and at night, 120 00:07:09,346 --> 00:07:11,181 a lot of times, my mom would get aggressive 121 00:07:11,222 --> 00:07:15,185 and so I figured this may have been one of those incidents 122 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:17,228 and they just needed somebody else down there 123 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:20,315 to help control the situation. 124 00:07:22,025 --> 00:07:25,862 I get there and there's cops everywhere. 125 00:07:25,904 --> 00:07:32,077 This is a little more than just my mom being aggressive. 126 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:36,247 And I remember walking up to the scene and there was 127 00:07:36,331 --> 00:07:39,125 a police officer there and he was like, "Who are you? 128 00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:40,752 Can I help you?" 129 00:07:40,794 --> 00:07:42,587 "Uh, my name is Matthew Kruspe. 130 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:44,839 My father and mother are here," 131 00:07:44,964 --> 00:07:49,052 and, uh, a detective came towards me. 132 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:51,721 He goes, "Um, I need -- I need to inform you 133 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:54,599 that your mother's deceased," and he was like, 134 00:07:54,683 --> 00:07:57,185 "Um, your father shot your mother." 135 00:07:57,227 --> 00:08:04,567 ♪♪ 136 00:08:04,609 --> 00:08:08,822 I didn't -- I-I-I-- 137 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:11,032 I still don't know how to take that. 138 00:08:13,284 --> 00:08:16,913 My mom was a huge influence in my life. 139 00:08:16,996 --> 00:08:20,583 She was honestly the strongest woman that I know. 140 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,461 My initial reaction is like, "You've got to be kidding me. 141 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:25,380 Like, what happened?" 142 00:08:28,466 --> 00:08:33,096 My mom and dad met at a Marine Corps ball in 1974. 143 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:36,057 -She was working as a civilian at a Navy contractor 144 00:08:36,141 --> 00:08:38,351 and he was in the Marines guarding 145 00:08:38,435 --> 00:08:40,729 Arlington National Cemetery. 146 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:42,772 He was willing to dance 147 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:44,149 when none of the other guys were willing to dance 148 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:45,984 and they danced together. 149 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:50,530 -One of their favorite things to do was swing dance 150 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:52,157 and they could move. 151 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,533 They could -- They could really, really move. 152 00:08:53,575 --> 00:08:55,869 -Pam and Steve complemented each other. 153 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:59,080 They were two sides of each other's heart. 154 00:08:59,164 --> 00:09:00,957 They always were thoughtful 155 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:04,127 and respectful about what each other thought and felt 156 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:07,172 and they didn't operate unless it was together. 157 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:08,965 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 158 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:10,967 -They got married in 1976 159 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,428 and they had three children in four years. 160 00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:15,805 Andrew was the oldest and then Stephanie 161 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:17,140 and then Matthew was the youngest. 162 00:09:17,182 --> 00:09:19,726 He was born in 1980. 163 00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:23,855 -The children were always respectful, happy, playful, 164 00:09:23,938 --> 00:09:28,651 fun, curious and just delightful, delightful children. 165 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:30,945 -My parents were married for 47 years, 166 00:09:31,029 --> 00:09:32,947 but the first half of my childhood, 167 00:09:33,031 --> 00:09:34,449 my dad was always gone. 168 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:36,117 You know, he was in the military. 169 00:09:36,201 --> 00:09:37,869 He was constantly deployed here or there, 170 00:09:37,952 --> 00:09:39,954 come home for a few months and leave. 171 00:09:40,038 --> 00:09:41,706 -Stationed in North Carolina 172 00:09:41,831 --> 00:09:43,750 as part of Special Warfare Operations, 173 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:47,087 Steve's mission was to train America's elite soldiers, 174 00:09:47,170 --> 00:09:50,465 Navy SEALs and Green Berets. 175 00:09:50,548 --> 00:09:52,133 -A lot of the stuff he does, 176 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:54,177 I don't know and probably never will know. 177 00:09:54,260 --> 00:09:58,306 But when he was deployed, my mother was God. 178 00:09:58,390 --> 00:10:00,141 She had to be the head of the household. 179 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:01,518 She had to be the disciplinarian. 180 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:03,395 But she also was my mom. 181 00:10:03,478 --> 00:10:07,065 So she had this loving, caring, nurturing side of that. 182 00:10:07,148 --> 00:10:10,610 -In 1994, Stephen retires from the Marines. 183 00:10:10,694 --> 00:10:12,779 After settling his family in Florida, 184 00:10:12,862 --> 00:10:14,739 he devotes his time to the classroom, 185 00:10:14,823 --> 00:10:17,784 training high school students through ROTC. 186 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:19,703 But by 2001, 187 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:23,873 retirement leads him to an unexpected new passion. 188 00:10:23,915 --> 00:10:26,751 -When he retired from the military after 23 years, 189 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:29,212 he became a lighthouse keeper 190 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:32,549 and Pam would go and help him there. 191 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:35,051 -My parents were married for 47 years 192 00:10:35,093 --> 00:10:39,180 and they just gave me the best example of what it means 193 00:10:39,264 --> 00:10:41,224 to truly love someone else. 194 00:10:41,307 --> 00:10:43,435 You know, the selflessness, you know what I mean? 195 00:10:43,518 --> 00:10:47,188 The sacrifices for each other and you could see that. 196 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:52,610 And now I have a police officer telling me 197 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:55,447 that my father shot my mother. 198 00:10:55,488 --> 00:10:58,616 I was pissed. I was angry. 199 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,870 I was trying to push back that cop to go in the back 200 00:11:01,995 --> 00:11:04,581 to find out what was going on. 201 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:08,710 And my wife is standing to my -- to my right 202 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:13,298 and she sees my dad being escorted in handcuffs. 203 00:11:13,381 --> 00:11:15,175 I didn't see him. 204 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:16,968 Had I saw him that night, 205 00:11:17,093 --> 00:11:20,555 I would have probably been in jail myself. 206 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:21,931 I would have went after my father. 207 00:11:22,057 --> 00:11:23,850 I was -- I was enraged, you know, 208 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:28,646 because I was just told that he killed my mother. 209 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:31,149 Come to find out, like we saw later, 210 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:37,364 that just wasn't clear cut as it -- as it should be. 211 00:11:37,447 --> 00:11:39,074 -No other family member said 212 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:42,369 that Pam Kruspe wanted to commit suicide. 213 00:11:46,664 --> 00:11:49,709 Pam wanting to die was perhaps a creation 214 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:07,102 ♪♪ 215 00:12:08,561 --> 00:12:11,481 -Matthew Kruspe and his two siblings are looking for answers 216 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:13,400 after learning their father, Stephen, 217 00:12:13,483 --> 00:12:17,737 is responsible for the death of their mother, Pam. 218 00:12:17,821 --> 00:12:20,365 -My sister, she -- she arrived at the facility. 219 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:22,992 My brother didn't come till later. 220 00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:24,828 We were just kind of in shock. 221 00:12:24,953 --> 00:12:28,289 We didn't really understand what was going on. 222 00:12:31,042 --> 00:12:33,003 -Within a couple of hours of the crime, 223 00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:35,839 Stephen Kruspe is taken to the Boynton Beach Police Department, 224 00:12:35,922 --> 00:12:37,465 where he's interrogated. 225 00:12:42,721 --> 00:12:45,306 When they asked Stephen Kruspe if he was hurting, 226 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:49,894 he said it was his heart and that really will get you 227 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:52,522 because here's a person who, by all accounts, 228 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:54,441 loved his wife dearly. 229 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:56,776 Police, meanwhile, who are sympathetic to him, 230 00:12:56,901 --> 00:12:58,737 are still trying to drill down 231 00:12:58,862 --> 00:13:01,489 whether this was the crime out of compassion for his wife 232 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:04,159 or a crime of convenience. 233 00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:44,407 -Stephen told the detective that Pam started forgetting things 234 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:46,701 and getting agitated about four years earlier. 235 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:49,621 The simplest tasks were just overwhelming to her. 236 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:06,680 -She noticed she was having issues at work with the numbers 237 00:14:06,763 --> 00:14:09,015 and I just thought that was kind of odd 238 00:14:09,057 --> 00:14:12,018 because numbers were always her thing. 239 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:29,411 -She had been diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer's 240 00:14:29,452 --> 00:14:31,996 at, like, age 59, which is really, really rare. 241 00:14:32,122 --> 00:14:35,333 -A lot of things, 242 00:14:35,417 --> 00:14:40,922 rapidly, that she loved to do, she could no longer do anymore. 243 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:44,009 She could brush her own teeth, but I had to remind her. 244 00:14:46,845 --> 00:14:49,848 She could eat on her own, but I had to remind her. 245 00:14:53,893 --> 00:14:56,062 This strongest woman I know... 246 00:14:56,146 --> 00:15:02,861 ♪♪ 247 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:06,948 ...and in this moment, she's, you know, reduced to a child. 248 00:15:11,036 --> 00:15:13,872 -There were times when it became sometimes combative 249 00:15:13,997 --> 00:15:15,707 and even violent. 250 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:33,183 -Sometimes she was very aware and she knew what was going on 251 00:15:33,308 --> 00:15:35,435 and then other times, she completely had no control 252 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,646 and I think that must have been terrifying. 253 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:42,025 -Despite moments of clarity, Pam's violent outbursts 254 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:45,695 and refusal to come to terms with her condition 255 00:15:45,779 --> 00:15:49,157 leave her family struggling to get her the help she needs. 256 00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:06,966 -This is not Pam Kruspe they all knew, 257 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,178 this was someone in the body of Pam Kruspe 258 00:16:10,303 --> 00:16:14,766 who mentally was someone entirely different. 259 00:16:14,891 --> 00:16:18,561 -They got to a point in 2016 where they made a decision, 260 00:16:18,687 --> 00:16:21,898 as a family, to go ahead and put her in a memory care facility, 261 00:16:22,023 --> 00:16:26,319 but she absolutely hated being in that facility. 262 00:16:26,403 --> 00:16:28,405 -There were times she thought she was working 263 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:30,865 at the assisted living, that she was there to help people, 264 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:32,117 because she just didn't understand she was 265 00:16:32,242 --> 00:16:33,827 one of the patients. 266 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:44,921 -Stephen walks investigators through the moments 267 00:16:45,005 --> 00:16:47,716 leading up to shooting his wife. 268 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:54,139 -It was early evening. 269 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,099 They went and had a coffee 270 00:16:56,182 --> 00:17:00,061 and then he drove her back to the facility in the parking lot. 271 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,379 -The whole time, she's pretty much begging him, like, 272 00:17:26,421 --> 00:17:28,173 "If you loved me, you would do this." 273 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:31,885 It just was getting more and more and more desperate. 274 00:17:45,315 --> 00:17:50,570 -Stephen Kruspe, a Marine, kept a gun in his car. 275 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:16,638 -He stood really close. 276 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,682 Almost close enough, 277 00:18:18,765 --> 00:18:20,850 he could have kissed her and he held the gun against her chest. 278 00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:22,686 -According to Stephen, 279 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:24,312 she seemed to be encouraged by seeing the gun 280 00:18:24,354 --> 00:18:25,814 and wanted to die. 281 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,994 ♪♪ 282 00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:43,623 -In an interview room in Boynton Beach, Florida, 283 00:18:43,748 --> 00:18:46,418 Stephen Kruspe gives a harrowing account 284 00:18:46,501 --> 00:18:49,504 of how he helped his wife, Pam, end her life. 285 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:01,725 -And the gun went off. 286 00:19:01,766 --> 00:19:04,394 [ Gunshot ] 287 00:19:04,436 --> 00:19:06,354 The bullet went through her heart. 288 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:26,875 -He explained that when he looked at her face, 289 00:19:26,958 --> 00:19:28,543 all he saw was relief. 290 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,010 -He put the onus on her 291 00:19:37,052 --> 00:19:40,430 that this was a killing because the victim wanted it. 292 00:19:40,472 --> 00:19:44,601 He was adamant that it was an assisted suicide, not murder. 293 00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:47,896 He said he did it for compassionate reasons. 294 00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:51,358 But even though Stephen said that Pam wanted to die, 295 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:54,235 in this situation, he said that he did it. 296 00:19:54,361 --> 00:19:56,404 He's the one who pulled the trigger. 297 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:58,573 -The state of Florida does not have mercy killing. 298 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,367 If you take someone's life, 299 00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:04,037 regardless of the reason you give us, it is still murder. 300 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:05,955 -At the end of the interview, he's arrested. 301 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:10,168 He's taken into custody and charged with murder. 302 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:12,087 As per normal practice, 303 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:15,256 law enforcement did a DNA swab not only of Kruspe, 304 00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:17,550 but also of the gun. 305 00:20:17,634 --> 00:20:19,469 Stephen told law enforcement 306 00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,971 that he had thought about doing this before, 307 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:26,851 so this showed premeditation and that's first-degree murder. 308 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,770 According to the state of Florida, 309 00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:31,356 that makes you not only eligible for life in prison 310 00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:33,108 but the death penalty. 311 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:39,489 -Stephen Kruspe made it clear from the outset 312 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,491 that he was not guilty of murder 313 00:20:41,616 --> 00:20:46,037 and that the reality was that Pam wanted to die. 314 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:51,334 She had been asking Steve for a long time to help her with that. 315 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:56,506 He was hoping that she would change her mind, 316 00:20:56,589 --> 00:21:00,468 but he also understood that by having the gun 317 00:21:00,552 --> 00:21:04,347 that it made it possible for -- for this to happen. 318 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:06,516 His only objective and only wish 319 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:11,980 was to see this charge reflect the truthfulness 320 00:21:12,022 --> 00:21:14,274 of what occurred. 321 00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:15,775 -As Stephen remains in jail, 322 00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:17,986 insisting it was a mercy killing, 323 00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:20,321 detectives look to the three Kruspe children 324 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:23,199 who struggled to comprehend their father's claims 325 00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:25,118 as they speak to police. 326 00:21:25,243 --> 00:21:26,870 -Oh, the kids were in shock. 327 00:21:26,995 --> 00:21:29,414 They were kind of in disbelief that this had happened 328 00:21:29,456 --> 00:21:32,834 and they were disappointed that their dad hadn't talked to them 329 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:36,004 or asked for help, or let them know how bad it was. 330 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,089 -I believe he murdered my mother. 331 00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:40,175 I do not want to talk to you. 332 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:44,929 I have nothing to say to you at all. 333 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:48,266 -Andrew, Stephen's oldest son and Stephanie, his daughter, 334 00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:52,020 also thought he was a murderer, basically, that they had -- 335 00:21:52,103 --> 00:21:54,439 He had taken the easy way and murdered their mom. 336 00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,289 They started telling the cops 337 00:22:11,373 --> 00:22:14,626 that he was overwhelmed by trying to take care of Pam 338 00:22:14,668 --> 00:22:16,169 and he wasn't asking for help 339 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:19,214 and he could have asked for help. 340 00:22:29,808 --> 00:22:31,810 They said that he was one of these people 341 00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:35,271 who had such hubris about being able to take care of everything 342 00:22:35,313 --> 00:22:37,315 and fix it, 343 00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:41,152 that he was just going to take matters into his own hands. 344 00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:43,405 -One key detail Stephen gave police 345 00:22:43,488 --> 00:22:46,574 is firmly rejected by his children. 346 00:22:46,658 --> 00:22:48,201 -No other family member said 347 00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:52,997 that Pam Kruspe wanted to commit suicide. 348 00:22:53,123 --> 00:22:54,708 -I knew she was declining, 349 00:22:54,749 --> 00:22:56,710 but she had very lucid moments with us. 350 00:22:56,751 --> 00:22:58,920 She would never flat out say, "I want to kill myself. 351 00:22:59,045 --> 00:23:00,422 I want to die." 352 00:23:02,841 --> 00:23:05,093 -Also Pam Kruspe was very religious. 353 00:23:05,176 --> 00:23:07,262 She converted to Catholicism 354 00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:10,807 and so suicide would be a real no-no. 355 00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,101 -In the Catholic Church, if you take your own life, 356 00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,186 you're, you know, eternally damned. 357 00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:18,898 -And that's why her family and others 358 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:21,234 thought that the whole wanting to die 359 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,363 was perhaps a creation in Stephen Kruspe's mind. 360 00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:29,659 -On April 10th, 361 00:23:29,784 --> 00:23:32,162 less than a month after Pam Kruspe was shot and killed, 362 00:23:32,287 --> 00:23:36,124 her husband, Stephen, appears in court for his arraignment. 363 00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:37,584 -We announced that we were seeking 364 00:23:37,667 --> 00:23:39,669 first-degree murder charges. 365 00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:44,257 We also said that we would not be seeking the death penalty. 366 00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,134 As prosecutors, we're human beings, too, 367 00:23:46,217 --> 00:23:49,387 and we're sympathetic to the fact that he was a caregiver 368 00:23:49,429 --> 00:23:51,222 and he loved his wife. 369 00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:55,185 But in the end, you can't go around playing God. 370 00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:59,481 -Stephen pled not guilty and said 371 00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:02,275 that this was not premeditated murder. 372 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,444 -Stephen and Pam's youngest son, Matthew, 373 00:24:04,569 --> 00:24:08,198 finds that as time passes following Pam's death, 374 00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:11,493 he begins to see more of his father's side. 375 00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:13,203 -It took me about a month and a half 376 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:16,081 after the incident took place. 377 00:24:16,206 --> 00:24:19,501 I had gotten over my anger 378 00:24:19,542 --> 00:24:21,419 and I just started to process, you know, 379 00:24:21,461 --> 00:24:24,422 what was my mom going through, what was my dad going through? 380 00:24:24,547 --> 00:24:27,092 Do I agree of what he did? 381 00:24:27,217 --> 00:24:29,969 No, absolutely not. 382 00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,430 Of course I didn't agree with it, 383 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,265 but I understood why. 384 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,396 My dad's a fixer. 385 00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:43,900 If something's wrong, he's gonna figure out why and fix it. 386 00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:48,196 And the one thing he couldn't do 387 00:24:48,238 --> 00:24:53,952 and would have never been able to do... 388 00:24:54,035 --> 00:24:55,370 is fix my mother. 389 00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:00,917 I didn't know a lot 390 00:25:01,042 --> 00:25:07,298 of what my dad was going through at this time. 391 00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:10,802 Um, a little bit of me feels guilty. 392 00:25:10,927 --> 00:25:13,763 I was there for my mother, 393 00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:17,017 but I was not involved in a lot of her care 394 00:25:17,142 --> 00:25:20,645 and I could have been there maybe a little more. 395 00:25:24,232 --> 00:25:27,485 If my mom was truly aware of what was going on 396 00:25:27,527 --> 00:25:29,529 and I believe she was, 397 00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:32,240 my mom didn't want to live like this 398 00:25:32,282 --> 00:25:37,245 and I think they both had a hand in it. 399 00:25:37,328 --> 00:25:38,747 -This change of heart is welcomed 400 00:25:38,788 --> 00:25:40,582 by Stephen's defense team, 401 00:25:40,623 --> 00:25:44,127 who are gearing up for an arduous battle. 402 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,130 -As we started defending the case, it was clear 403 00:25:47,172 --> 00:25:50,675 that the police felt it was an open and shut case. 404 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,635 As a result of that, 405 00:25:52,761 --> 00:25:56,514 they didn't examine and evaluate everything that should have been 406 00:25:56,556 --> 00:25:58,099 and there were glaring questions 407 00:25:58,224 --> 00:26:01,227 that we needed to get answers to. 408 00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:03,897 The big question was, was there reason 409 00:26:04,022 --> 00:26:07,567 to suspect that this was possibly a suicide 410 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:10,820 as opposed to a homicide? 411 00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:13,740 And was there more investigation 412 00:26:25,293 --> 00:26:29,631 ♪♪ 413 00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:32,425 -Accused of killing his wife, Pam, 414 00:26:32,550 --> 00:26:34,636 Stephen Kruspe watches from jail 415 00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:40,100 as his case stalls for months, then years. 416 00:26:40,183 --> 00:26:41,768 -Because it's a homicide, 417 00:26:41,893 --> 00:26:44,938 these court cases take a very long time. 418 00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:47,607 And the fact that COVID happened 419 00:26:47,732 --> 00:26:49,776 delayed the process even longer. 420 00:26:49,943 --> 00:26:51,903 So, he was in jail, in prison, 421 00:26:51,986 --> 00:26:54,698 awaiting trial for quite a bit of time. 422 00:26:54,823 --> 00:26:57,158 -While both sides wait for their day in court, 423 00:26:57,242 --> 00:27:00,245 the Kruspe siblings work on finding common ground, 424 00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:02,122 despite their differences. 425 00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:03,873 -Me and my brother and sister, 426 00:27:03,915 --> 00:27:07,002 for about two or three years after the incident, 427 00:27:07,085 --> 00:27:09,337 we still had a good standing, good relationship. 428 00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:11,756 I, at this point, supported my dad. 429 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,342 They -- They supported my mom's side. 430 00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:16,720 But we still talked because we made an agreement. 431 00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:18,388 We said, 432 00:27:18,471 --> 00:27:20,015 "Hey, let's not let this destroy us 433 00:27:20,181 --> 00:27:22,183 because it really doesn't involve us. 434 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,062 So, let's let the courts handle this 435 00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:30,734 and let's not let this ruin our relationship." 436 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,445 -Three years pass until in 2020, 437 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:37,741 the family prepares to meet in court again for a bond hearing. 438 00:27:37,782 --> 00:27:42,287 -In Florida, the court has discretion to grant bond. 439 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:48,501 We took a considerable amount of time to build a defense case, 440 00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,587 to say that he should get a bond, 441 00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:55,925 so that he can be at home and we can finish preparing the case. 442 00:27:55,967 --> 00:28:01,431 We had witnesses from all walks of life, military, 443 00:28:01,473 --> 00:28:04,726 people that knew him in his personal life and family, 444 00:28:04,893 --> 00:28:07,437 Matthew, who had prepared a bedroom for him 445 00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:09,981 and a place to stay. 446 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:11,524 -Everything was fine. 447 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:14,944 A week or two before my dad's bond hearing, 448 00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:19,199 that was the moment things and people shifted. 449 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:21,868 I get a call from my brother. 450 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:23,745 "What do you know about this bond hearing? 451 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:26,164 What about the bond hearing? Did you know about it?" 452 00:28:26,247 --> 00:28:29,292 "Yes, I did." "Why didn't you tell any of us?" 453 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:30,919 "I thought we made an agreement 454 00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:33,129 to let the courts handle the courts." 455 00:28:33,171 --> 00:28:35,256 He was like, "Yeah, but this is a little more serious. 456 00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:36,883 Are you thinking about taking him in?" 457 00:28:36,925 --> 00:28:39,302 And I was like, "Yeah, if it goes down." 458 00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:42,597 And then we 3-way'd my sister in and it just got more 459 00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:44,015 and more and more. 460 00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:45,392 You know, they said some things, 461 00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:46,559 "I can't believe you're, you know, 462 00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:49,979 you would take in a murderer." 463 00:28:50,105 --> 00:28:52,732 -The tensions between the family come to a head 464 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:54,651 on the day of the hearing. 465 00:28:54,693 --> 00:28:56,820 -About six months after COVID shut everything down, 466 00:28:56,861 --> 00:29:00,240 he finally got a bond hearing in September of 2020 467 00:29:00,323 --> 00:29:02,992 and everybody in the court were masked. 468 00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:06,079 -All three siblings testify at the bond hearing, 469 00:29:06,121 --> 00:29:09,207 Matthew for the defense and Andrew and Stephanie 470 00:29:09,249 --> 00:29:11,251 on the side of the prosecution. 471 00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:14,838 -This was a split family and this was something 472 00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:19,926 that really weighed on those who loved Pam Kruspe. 473 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:25,515 -Stephanie basically told the judge 474 00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:26,975 that she didn't trust her dad. 475 00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:33,940 There was no way, after what he had done with the mom, 476 00:29:34,065 --> 00:29:35,734 that she could believe in him. 477 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:37,318 He had sacrificed their trust. 478 00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:44,534 -My brother and sister, 479 00:29:44,617 --> 00:29:46,494 they called him narcissistic, 480 00:29:46,578 --> 00:29:50,749 they called him controlling, unstable, irrational. 481 00:29:57,756 --> 00:30:00,050 They feared for their lives. 482 00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:02,844 They thought my dad would come and hunt them down. 483 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,856 They both painted a view I never knew they had of my father. 484 00:30:14,898 --> 00:30:18,318 But two, one that doesn't exist of my father. 485 00:30:18,443 --> 00:30:20,028 -Stephen's oldest son, Andrew, 486 00:30:20,111 --> 00:30:21,905 was on Zoom for the bond hearing as well 487 00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:25,033 and he was vehement that he'd just stay in jail. 488 00:30:40,465 --> 00:30:44,844 -When Andrew appeared remotely at the bond hearing 489 00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:47,430 and said, "I heard my dad say 490 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:50,266 that he wanted to put a round in her chest," 491 00:30:50,392 --> 00:30:52,852 it's really damning, not only because it shows premeditation, 492 00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:54,771 but it also shows 493 00:30:54,813 --> 00:30:58,525 that Stephen Kruspe allegedly had this intention 494 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,985 before things got even worse, 495 00:31:01,027 --> 00:31:05,115 that he was thinking about it at least a year in advance. 496 00:31:05,198 --> 00:31:09,411 -My dad was hurt for a while because of my brother and sister 497 00:31:09,494 --> 00:31:12,080 and the things they said during that bond hearing. 498 00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,249 He still loves them. He still cares for them. 499 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:16,251 Don't think that he doesn't, 500 00:31:16,334 --> 00:31:20,755 but he's hurt because the words don't line up with 501 00:31:20,797 --> 00:31:23,049 how we were raised with what took place. 502 00:31:23,174 --> 00:31:26,261 He feels abandoned by them. 503 00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:28,263 -When the judge announced her ruling, 504 00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:29,931 she denied bond, 505 00:31:30,056 --> 00:31:32,809 saying the evidence of premeditated murder 506 00:31:32,892 --> 00:31:35,937 was too strong to release him. 507 00:31:36,104 --> 00:31:38,356 -He was being put on trial for murder. 508 00:31:38,481 --> 00:31:41,192 What's to say he wouldn't try to kill himself or others, 509 00:31:41,234 --> 00:31:44,112 especially because he seemingly had some sort of Messiah complex 510 00:31:44,154 --> 00:31:46,531 where he believed in killing other people 511 00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:48,366 for their own benefit. 512 00:31:48,408 --> 00:31:51,995 We were there to do justice for Pam. 513 00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:54,998 This was an unjustified killing, 514 00:31:55,123 --> 00:31:59,252 a homicide that needed to be punished appropriately 515 00:31:59,377 --> 00:32:01,129 and we were not going to stop. 516 00:32:10,555 --> 00:32:16,269 ♪♪ 517 00:32:17,228 --> 00:32:19,105 -After a contentious bond hearing, 518 00:32:19,147 --> 00:32:22,525 Stephen Kruspe is denied bond and sent back to prison 519 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:26,112 to await trial for the murder of his wife, Pam. 520 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:27,989 -Stephen went back to jail 521 00:32:28,073 --> 00:32:31,826 and our focus turned on finding the best experts 522 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:37,040 in crime-scene reconstruction and DNA analysis, 523 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:39,459 all with the objective to prove 524 00:32:39,501 --> 00:32:44,172 that this was an assisted suicide and not a murder. 525 00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:47,092 -The defense enlists forensics expert Tiffany Roy 526 00:32:47,175 --> 00:32:48,843 to aid their case. 527 00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:50,970 They ask her to go back over the evidence collected 528 00:32:51,096 --> 00:32:53,014 at the time of the incident. 529 00:32:53,098 --> 00:32:55,392 -The first thing I do in every case 530 00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:58,436 when I get the case file notes is to check for human error, 531 00:32:58,561 --> 00:33:02,607 because human people do this work and they make mistakes. 532 00:33:02,691 --> 00:33:04,776 -As we're going through this process, 533 00:33:04,901 --> 00:33:09,489 we found out that Pamela's hands should have been tested 534 00:33:09,614 --> 00:33:11,616 for gunshot residue and were not. 535 00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:13,284 -Back at the time, 536 00:33:13,368 --> 00:33:15,328 this was such an open and shut case 537 00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:18,707 that the medical examiner had no evidence of GSR, 538 00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:20,250 gunshot residue. 539 00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:23,003 This is missing. This data would be important. 540 00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:25,630 -The presence or absence of gunshot residue 541 00:33:25,714 --> 00:33:27,382 on someone's hands might be telling. 542 00:33:27,507 --> 00:33:29,926 -If gunshot-residue testing had been done, 543 00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:31,720 as it should have been, 544 00:33:31,845 --> 00:33:36,558 it could have shown that Pam assisted in the suicide. 545 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,310 -Seeing this discrepancy, 546 00:33:39,352 --> 00:33:41,312 the defense strategy is to turn the State's evidence 547 00:33:41,396 --> 00:33:43,565 against them in an effort to show 548 00:33:43,606 --> 00:33:46,234 that not enough was done to rule out suicide 549 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,779 as the cause of Pam's death, starting with the DNA. 550 00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:51,531 -DNA was important in this case 551 00:33:51,573 --> 00:33:53,241 because they tested the murder weapon, 552 00:33:53,283 --> 00:33:56,036 which was a gun that was owned by Mr. Kruspe 553 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,747 and drew conclusions that Mr. Kruspe's DNA was 554 00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:00,749 on his own firearm. 555 00:34:00,832 --> 00:34:03,501 But the tools that were being used at the crime lab 556 00:34:03,626 --> 00:34:08,590 can only examine certain parts and pieces of the profile. 557 00:34:08,715 --> 00:34:11,176 So there were things that were being missed. 558 00:34:11,259 --> 00:34:13,219 And so, we needed a higher-powered tool 559 00:34:13,345 --> 00:34:17,140 to examine that information. 560 00:34:17,182 --> 00:34:21,394 -Tiffany helped us do additional testing on samples 561 00:34:21,478 --> 00:34:24,105 that law enforcement have. 562 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:27,317 -There were several samples after they were examined 563 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,069 that showed DNA traits 564 00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:33,031 that were similar to Mrs. Kruspe on the firearm. 565 00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:38,036 The area where Mrs. Kruspe's DNA was most present was the grip 566 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:39,746 and that made it a very real possibility 567 00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:42,457 that she could have handled that weapon. 568 00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,292 -This was huge, 569 00:34:44,376 --> 00:34:46,795 because her contact with the gun suggests that, in fact, 570 00:34:46,878 --> 00:34:50,757 she was involved in the discharging of the weapon. 571 00:34:52,801 --> 00:34:57,013 -But can the presence of her DNA alone prove assisted suicide? 572 00:34:57,097 --> 00:35:00,809 -We could argue, as prosecutors, that she did not want to die. 573 00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:02,477 She was trying to push the gun away. 574 00:35:02,602 --> 00:35:04,145 -We knew the prosecutor would attempt 575 00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:06,940 to show a pushing away of the gun. 576 00:35:07,065 --> 00:35:11,069 So, we hired an expert on firearms, 577 00:35:11,111 --> 00:35:14,531 forensic reconstruction of shootings 578 00:35:14,572 --> 00:35:18,910 and he reconstructed the shooting to see 579 00:35:18,993 --> 00:35:22,831 whether or not the wounds to the shirt 580 00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:28,003 and the DNA on the gun were consistent with showing 581 00:35:28,044 --> 00:35:32,007 that Pam embraced and pulled the gun toward her. 582 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:37,178 This showed that Steve did not act alone 583 00:35:37,262 --> 00:35:41,057 and that Pam very likely assisted in her own death. 584 00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:44,644 -This stunning evidence suggests Pamela may have assisted 585 00:35:44,769 --> 00:35:46,396 in the shooting that night. 586 00:35:46,521 --> 00:35:49,190 Stephen never mentioned this detail to anyone, 587 00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,484 including his own defense attorney. 588 00:35:51,568 --> 00:35:53,903 -I think the reason he didn't mention 589 00:35:54,029 --> 00:35:57,866 the specific act of pulling the gun toward her 590 00:35:57,949 --> 00:36:02,495 at the time was that the investigators never asked 591 00:36:02,579 --> 00:36:05,707 for the specifics in terms of how it happened. 592 00:36:05,749 --> 00:36:09,336 He said he shot his wife. That was uncontested. 593 00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:12,922 However, they never asked what Pam did 594 00:36:12,964 --> 00:36:15,258 or what role she may have played. 595 00:36:15,342 --> 00:36:18,011 And so, by not asking the questions, 596 00:36:18,053 --> 00:36:21,639 the investigation never got into that part of the case. 597 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,934 I also think that often under periods of stress, 598 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:32,192 people sometimes don't remember everything exactly as it happens 599 00:36:32,275 --> 00:36:35,820 and they oftentimes will fill in gaps 600 00:36:35,904 --> 00:36:38,990 or missing information with information 601 00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:42,577 that's most detrimental to themselves. 602 00:36:42,702 --> 00:36:46,081 And because of her faith as a strong Catholic, 603 00:36:46,164 --> 00:36:49,876 on some level, he believed that by not talking about that, 604 00:36:50,001 --> 00:36:52,629 he was protecting her in a sense. 605 00:36:52,754 --> 00:36:56,257 -The defense informs Stephen's son Matthew of their findings, 606 00:36:56,341 --> 00:36:59,886 which forces him to reconsider his mother's final moments. 607 00:37:00,011 --> 00:37:02,263 -There's no other way that my mom's DNA 608 00:37:02,347 --> 00:37:05,475 could have got on there unless she was holding that gun. 609 00:37:05,558 --> 00:37:10,647 After the DNA evidence, what I believe happened is, 610 00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:14,776 yes, my father went to the car and got the gun. 611 00:37:14,901 --> 00:37:19,656 Yes, my father presented it to my mother. 612 00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:24,577 At which point, um, my mother... 613 00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:27,706 [ Sighs ] 614 00:37:27,789 --> 00:37:32,127 I still -- I still battle with this. 615 00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:34,963 Like...[sighs] 616 00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:37,382 I believe my mom took her own life 617 00:37:37,424 --> 00:37:40,468 and my father did give her the gun. 618 00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:44,014 And when... 619 00:37:44,097 --> 00:37:48,018 when she shot herself, um, 620 00:37:48,101 --> 00:37:51,604 just all the guilt of it came back to my father. 621 00:37:51,688 --> 00:37:54,149 So, I do believe my dad had a portion in it. 622 00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:57,694 I don't think he solely pulled the trigger himself. 623 00:37:57,736 --> 00:37:59,738 I think the ultimate decision 624 00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:03,867 to take my mother's life was my mother's. 625 00:38:04,826 --> 00:38:08,246 -Faced with the defense's new evidence of assisted suicide, 626 00:38:08,288 --> 00:38:11,416 the state's attorney needs to rethink their approach. 627 00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:14,461 -This was a game changer because we were all set 628 00:38:14,502 --> 00:38:17,464 to pursue murder charges and when you're a prosecutor, 629 00:38:17,547 --> 00:38:20,091 you have to prove cases beyond a reasonable doubt. 630 00:38:20,175 --> 00:38:22,552 The fact that we now had some doubt meant 631 00:38:22,635 --> 00:38:24,262 that the jury certainly would. 632 00:38:34,647 --> 00:38:40,362 ♪♪ 633 00:38:41,613 --> 00:38:43,531 -What seemed like a straightforward murder case 634 00:38:43,656 --> 00:38:46,409 against Stephen Kruspe takes a turn 635 00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:48,411 when forensic evidence gives the defense room 636 00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:50,955 to argue it was a mercy killing. 637 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,917 -The defense paid a lot of money for an expert, 638 00:38:54,042 --> 00:39:00,632 who then revealed that Pam's DNA was found on the grip of the gun 639 00:39:00,757 --> 00:39:03,468 and that's why we decided to enter into conversations 640 00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:06,554 about lowering the charge. 641 00:39:06,596 --> 00:39:08,848 In Florida, there's a rarely used statute, 642 00:39:09,015 --> 00:39:13,144 a manslaughter by assisted suicide. 643 00:39:13,186 --> 00:39:16,439 So, we met the evidence where it was and told the defense 644 00:39:16,606 --> 00:39:19,442 that we'd be willing to enter into an agreement 645 00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:22,987 where the defendant would plead guilty to manslaughter 646 00:39:23,113 --> 00:39:24,823 by assisted suicide 647 00:39:24,906 --> 00:39:28,618 and would leave it up to the judge to do the sentencing. 648 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:33,915 -When Stephen learned of the offer, he was relieved. 649 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,626 He felt that finally, after six years, 650 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:41,339 we were getting an offer that was consistent with the truth 651 00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:45,135 and at that time he pled guilty to manslaughter 652 00:39:45,176 --> 00:39:47,262 by assisted suicide. 653 00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:51,474 -In August 2023, 654 00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:55,812 Stephen finally gets to go back to court for sentencing. 655 00:39:55,895 --> 00:39:57,856 -With no priors, 656 00:39:57,897 --> 00:40:01,526 he was eligible for a sentence of between 10 and 30 years. 657 00:40:03,069 --> 00:40:06,322 Our case was reinforced by the fact that the family members, 658 00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:08,867 at least almost all of them, were on our side. 659 00:40:08,908 --> 00:40:11,828 They were the ones who wanted Stephen Kruspe to go to prison 660 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:13,413 as long as possible. 661 00:40:13,538 --> 00:40:14,706 They clearly did not like him. 662 00:40:14,873 --> 00:40:16,708 They hated what he did. 663 00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:19,544 They did not forgive him and they wanted the maximum penalty. 664 00:40:19,711 --> 00:40:21,504 -During sentencing, 665 00:40:21,546 --> 00:40:26,092 my brother and sister gave victim impact statements. 666 00:40:26,176 --> 00:40:29,304 I-I -- A lot of the stuff they said to me was just... 667 00:40:31,556 --> 00:40:34,100 ...vindictive. 668 00:40:34,142 --> 00:40:35,977 If you viewed my father that way, 669 00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,355 then why would you even be around him? 670 00:40:38,396 --> 00:40:41,691 Their words and their actions didn't line up to me 671 00:40:41,775 --> 00:40:44,652 and I didn't understand that. 672 00:40:44,736 --> 00:40:46,571 -What struck me was 673 00:40:46,696 --> 00:40:51,034 when Stephen Kruspe voluntarily chose to give a statement 674 00:40:51,076 --> 00:40:54,329 at sentencing and I was a bit surprised at how defiant 675 00:40:54,371 --> 00:40:55,997 and angry he was. 676 00:40:56,164 --> 00:40:58,041 -He finally gets to speak in court. 677 00:40:58,083 --> 00:41:01,711 He basically says, "Well, where was everybody helping me?" 678 00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:04,839 -The judge, she was not unsympathetic to Stephen Kruspe. 679 00:41:04,923 --> 00:41:08,551 She understood where he was coming from. 680 00:41:08,635 --> 00:41:10,387 If the family wasn't so adamant, 681 00:41:10,428 --> 00:41:12,681 if Stephanie and Andrew didn't feel the way they did, 682 00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:16,685 then this would have been probably treated differently. 683 00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:20,021 In the end, she decided to go for 20 years. 684 00:41:20,105 --> 00:41:24,317 ♪♪ 685 00:41:24,442 --> 00:41:26,986 -When they came back with 20, 686 00:41:27,112 --> 00:41:30,031 I was just at a loss for words. 687 00:41:30,156 --> 00:41:33,910 It's a life sentence for my father. He's old. 688 00:41:33,993 --> 00:41:35,745 -In his mind, 689 00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:39,374 he's someone who gave his life in exchange for hers. 690 00:41:39,541 --> 00:41:40,917 He's not going to be able to be buried 691 00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:43,169 at Arlington National Cemetery. 692 00:41:43,336 --> 00:41:46,631 His family is permanently divided. 693 00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,634 -My dad is currently 72. 694 00:41:49,801 --> 00:41:52,429 I still go visit him. 695 00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:54,973 I talk to him at least once a week on the phone. 696 00:41:55,056 --> 00:41:58,727 My dad has not spoken to anybody, my brother or sister, 697 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:01,104 since the incident. 698 00:42:01,187 --> 00:42:03,690 I have no plans to ever speak with my brother or sister again. 699 00:42:03,773 --> 00:42:09,738 ♪♪ 700 00:42:09,904 --> 00:42:11,614 [ Voice breaking ] I miss my mom a lot. 701 00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:14,909 Um... 702 00:42:15,035 --> 00:42:18,038 She raised me. She was my best friend. 703 00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:24,586 No matter what I was going through, 704 00:42:24,753 --> 00:42:29,674 whenever my mother smiled, I knew it was okay 705 00:42:29,716 --> 00:42:32,969 or it would be all right. 706 00:42:33,136 --> 00:42:35,722 [ Sighs ] 707 00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:39,100 I just want to see her smile one more time. 56181

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