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���룺hardstick У����hardstick ʱ���hardstick
- Source is consciousness -Դͷ����ʶ��
that has created this whole beautiful existence that we see. ��ʶ�����ˣ����������������������Ĵ��ڡ�
The difference between God and Source,God is a concept that we've learned through society. �ϵۺ�Դͷ�������ϵ������Ǵ������ѧ���ĸ��
Source is manifesting, is having a personal experience through each of us. Դͷ���Ի��ģ���ͨ������ÿ���˵ġ��������顱��
People can't find God in religion. ���������ڽ��У��ҵ��ϵۡ�
We are what we're looking for already. �����Ѿ��ǣ�����Ҫ�ҵ����ˡ�
It's a futile search to find God outside of yourself. ��������֮��Ѱ���ϵۣ���ͽ�͵ġ�
(inspiring music) [�������ĵ�����]
Ƭ������ϲ����֪ ���룺hardstick У����hardstick ʱ���hardstick
(liturgic music) [���ʽ������]
����ǡ���ϲ���Ĺ���
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I was born and raised in Chicago. ������֥�Ӹ磬�������ɳ��ġ�
My mother was Irish Catholic. ��ĸ���ǰ�����������ͽ��
Went to Mass every morning,seven days a week.Dragged me with her. ÿ�����죬ÿ�����϶�ȥ����������ʱ����ק���ң�����һ��ȥ��
I started feeling like I wanted to know more about this God that they're talking about. �ҿ�ʼ���ã����������˽⣬������˵���ϵۡ�
And the only way I knew,that was the Irish Catholic way, was you become a priest. ������֪����Ψһ���������ǰ����������̵ķ��������dz�Ϊһ����ʦ��
��ʥ���˶����ã�֥�Ӹ磬1954�꣩
- Corpus Christi. -���˻�����ʥ�塣
- After eighth grade,I went straight into the seminary for the priesthood. -���꼶����ֱ�ӽ�����ѧԺ��������ʦ��
- Corpus Christi. -�����ʥ��ɡ�
- So in me, -���ԣ��������ģ�
I got implanted from a very early age,a burning desire to know God. �ҴӺ�С��ʱ�ͱ�������һ��ǿ�ҵĿ�������Ҫ��ʶ�ϵۡ�
(inspiring music) [�������ĵ�����]
One day, I woke up. I was 26 years old. ��һ�죬�������ˡ��ҵ�ʱ��26�ꡣ
And I thought,what am I doing here? ���룬����������ʲô��
It was like a revelation. �����һ����ʾ��
I got to go. �ҵ����ˡ�
- We hope you find whatever it is that you're looking for. -����ϣ���������ҵ���ҪѰ���Ŀ�ꡣ
- That was the end of Catholic religion for me. -������˵������������������Ľ�����
And I just felt free, totally free. �Ҹо������ɣ���ȫ�����ɡ�
I had literally nothing. ������ǣ�һ�������ˡ�
But they gave me a few hundred dollars, and I had that Honda motorcycl. �����Ǹ����Ҽ�����Ԫ���Ҿ�������������Ħ�г���
So I just got on it and rode west. ���ǣ��Ҿ���������һ·������
(rock music) [ҡ������]
So I made it out to California, ���ǣ��������˼��������ǣ� �������룩
stayed at a friend's house,and started my own business. ס��һ�����Ѽң���ʼ���Լ�����ҵ��
An alarm company, home securit, motion detection. һ�ұ������Ĺ�˾�������ͥ�������˶�Ŀ���⡣
- Schick Electric bought us out,$3.2 million, yeah. -��ϣ�˵�������˾��320����Ԫ�����������ǵĹɷݡ��ǵġ�
So that was my first big success. ������ҵĵ�һ����ɹ���
Then I really went crazy. Ȼ������ġ�Ʈ�ˡ�������
Then I bought a resort on Lake LBJ. Ȼ������LBJ������һ���ȼٴ塣 ���¿���˹��һ��ˮ�⣬���ֵ�Լ��ѷ��ͳ������
And it wasn't until I got in my 30s that I started seeking again. ֱ����30�����ʱ���Ҳ��ٴο�ʼѰ��
So I attended my first yoga class. ���ԣ��Ҳμ����ҵĵ�һ���٤�Ρ�
And wow, that was like the beginning of the new search. ���Ǿ��ۣ���������µ�̽���Ŀ�ʼ��
(ethereal music) [���������]
This is when I began teaching Zen tennis. ������ʱ���ҿ�ʼ���ڡ����������ˡ�
����������һЩ�ˡ�ϲ�������¸��һЩ�ˡ���������¸��
I was a tennis pro, ������ְҵ�����˶�Ա��
and I had a club in Dallas,and it had 500 women that belonged to it. ���ڴ���˹�и����ֲ�����500����Ů���롣
It was yoga, meditation,and tennis. ���ǹ��ڣ��٤��ڤ�룬������ġ�
(pop music) [��������]
I was satiated with women. �Һ���Ů�ˣ��������ˡ�
I swore I would never even go on another date. �ҷ����ģ���Ҳ����Ů��Լ���ˡ�
She walked in and I went, Oh! ����һ�߽���ʱ���Ҿͣ�Ŷ��
Wow. �ۡ�
That was the end of my dating. �ҵ�Լ�ᣬ�����������ˡ�
Connecting with Pauline,I mean, I had like a voice from within that, this is it. �Ͳ�����һ������˵����������һ���������������ˡ�
(pop music) [��������]
We got engaged, and then I took her on a scuba diving trip. ���Ƕ����ˣ�Ȼ���Ҵ���ȥDZˮ���Ρ�
(1979�꣬ī���磬ͼ¬ķ���� �����ձȺ��ߵ����Źųǣ�
I had a friend down there,this guy's name was Fred. ���и�������������и��¡�
Fred became a really good friend of mine. ���³����ҵĺ����ѡ�
He kept begging me to try this drug. ��һֱ�����ң��������֡�ҩ���
I'd say, I don't do drugs, I don't do drugs. �һ�˵���Ҳ���ҩ���Ҳ�������
He was saying, OK, ��˵��û�µģ�
as a gift to me,as a gift of trust of friendship, try this. ��Ϊ���ҵ������Ϊ���κ������������������
Fred had a friend in Boston �����ڲ�ʿ���и�����
that sent him a few of these. ��������һЩ���֡����������
(soft music) [���������]
I'd never had any kind of experience like that before in my life. ���Ⱳ�ӣ���ǰ��δ�й������ľ�����
I was just laying there in the sand. ��ֻ������ɳ̲�ϡ�
Oh, my God. Ŷ���ҵ��ϵۡ�
Couldn't even describe the experience. �����������������־�����
It was extreme happiness and oneness and lightness and no fear. ����һ�ּ��ȵĸ��ܣ��Ҹ�����һ�����ɣ�û�ие��־塣
It was so healing, so wonderful. �������������������
I felt this oneness, and then everything I knew �Ҹо��������ֺ�һ��Ȼ����֮ǰ��֪���ģ�
about spirituality and Catholicism �������Ժ������̻��һ�У�
and all of that was just a huge cosmic joke. ��ֻ��һ���������Ц����
That night, I got the command from the universe �������ϣ��ҽӵ�����������
to get this out there. Ҫ�Ұ�������������
I already saw it being deliverd around the whole world. ���Ѿ������ˣ��������͵���ȫ���硣
(celestial music) [���������]
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- I was born in Chicago shortly after the war. ���ڶ�ս�ã�������֥�Ӹ硣
My family was well-off, �ҵļ�ͥ�ܸ�ԣ��
and so I had every possible advantage you could have in terms of privilege, ����������Ȩ���棬ӵ��һ�п��ܵ����ƣ�
and I had extremely progressive parents who were very left-wing and very supportive. ���зdz������ĸ�ĸ�����Ƿdz��������dz�֧���ҡ�
I was raised on stories of the Holocaust,which profoundly disturbed me. �������Ŵ���ɱ�Ĺ��³���ģ���������в�����
All of that led me to realize that the most important concerns were psychological. ������Щ��������ʶ��������Ҫ�������������ϵġ�
We needed emotional and spiritual ������Ҫ��к;����ϵ�
evolution and growth. �����ͳɳ���
And I felt that this mission that I was given �Ҿ��ã��ұ�����������ʹ����
was to respond to that kind of murderous nature of the Holocaust. ���ǶԴ���ɱ���ײб��ʣ�������Ӧ��
I went to this experimental college in Sarasota, Florida ��ȥ�˷�����������������е�һ����ʵ�鼼��ѧԺ����1971�꣩
called New College, ������ѧԺ��
and it had no grades. ��û�зּ��ƶȡ�
There was a tradition of psychedelic use at this college. ������ѧ����ʹ���Ի�ҩ�Ĵ�ͳ��
In particular,all-night dance parties that went till sunrise. �ر���ͨ������ᣬһֱ�������ճ���
And I was like, wow,this is great. �ҵ�ʱ�룬�ۣ���̫���ˡ�
- Lysergic acid diethylamide. LSD. -�������Ұ����׳ƣ�LSD��
- When I first started taking LSD, -�Ҹտ�ʼ�����Ի�ҩLSDʱ��
I thought, this is what my bar mitzvah should have bee. ���룬�ҵij�����Ӧ���������ġ�
It was like a confrontation with who am I, ����һ�ֶԿ����������ʣ�����˭��
where do I fit in the universe, what are my emotions, ���������е�λ��������ҵ������ʲô��
where do I come from? ���Ǵ��������ģ�
So I started really getting the sense that the psychedelics were a doorway ���ԣ��ҿ�ʼ������ʶ�����Ի�ҩ��һ���ţ�
to a deeper understanding of myself and of reality and of spirituality. ���Ҹ�������˽��Լ����˽���ʵ�;���
(psychedelic rock music) [�Ի�ҡ������]
And I felt that this was what I wanted to do with my life. �Ҿ��ã��������һ����Ҫ�������顣
I wanted to bring back psychedelic research,become a psychedelic therapist. ����ָ����Ի�ҩ���о�����Ϊһ���Ի�ҩ����ʦ��
�����ݣ���ɯ���о����� ��������1962�꣬����Ϊ������DZ���˶����ķ�Դ�ء� �ںϽ��������顢�о������������Ķ���������
- Esalen, it was the Human Potential Movement. -�ڡ���ɯ�ס�������һ�ֿ�������DZ�ܵ��˶���
It was Eastern and Western philosophy. ���Ƕ�����ѧ��������ѧ�Ľ�ϡ� �����.���壬����ʦ��
It was forms of meditation and body work. ����ڤ��������������ʽ��
We had helped to organize a conference on psychedelics. ���ǰ�����֯��һ���������»ü��Ļ��顣
Most of the drugs that are prescribed for, ���������ҩ�
whether it's depression or anxiety and so on, are drugs that you take every day. ����������֢���ǽ���֢�ȵȣ�������ÿ�춼Ҫ���õ�ҩ�
You can develop a tolerance to them. ��������������ǵ������ԡ�
There are a lot of side effects to them. �����кܶั���á�
I was part of the group that was trying out these different analogues, ���dz�����Щ��ͬ���������С���һԱ��
but none of them quite hit it the same way, ��û��һ������ͬ���ķ�ʽ������Ҫ����
with the same heart-opening sense of safety and compassion. ����ͬ����������İ�ȫ�к�ͬ���ġ�
There just wasn't one that quite did what MDMA did. ֻ��û��һ��ҩ��ܴﵽMDMA(ҡͷ��)��Ч���� �� MDMAѧ�������Ǽ�˫����������
I met with Rick Doblin at Esalen. ���ڡ������ס��о�����������ˡ��಼�֡�
That's actually a couple years after I had been working with MDMA. �������ҽӴ�MDMA(ҡͷ��)����֮��
He was a bright, young, ���Ǹ����������ᣬ
enthusiastic guy, and, you know, ������ˣ����ң���֪����
a kind of handsome guy,and he had great energy. ��ͦ˧�ģ����Ҿ������档
And I was bringing some MDMA to some other friends that were there. �Ҹ��ڳ����������ѣ�����Щҡͷ�衣
- I saw a group of people in a circle doing MDMA and talking to each other. -�ҿ���һȺ��Χ��һȦ����ʳҡͷ�裬���̸ཻ��
And I thought, this is trivial. �����룬�����ڡ���÷ֹ�ʡ���
And my initial impression was,I'm not that interested in it. �������ӡ���ǣ��Ҷ�����̫����Ȥ��
- Rick's kind of going, oh,well, I already love myself and everybody, -��˺�����˵��Ŷ���ðɣ����Ѿ��������Լ����������ˣ�
and I don't have any problems with communication. ���ң����ڹ�ͨ���棬û���κ����⡣
So he's kind of like, yeah,kind of dissing it. ���ԣ��������е�����ǵģ��е���������
And as Rick likes to say,he was smart enough to buy some. ������˳�˵�ģ������Ǻ����ǵ�����һЩ��
- And so I took some home and did it with my girlfriend and was just shocked. -�����Ҵ���һЩ�ؼң����ҵ�Ů����һ����ã��Һ���
(soft music) [���������]
I thought, this drug is amazing. ���룬��ҩ̫�����ˡ�
It was eye-opening and just like, this is a new, better way of processing. �����˴��۽磬��������һ���µģ����õ��ദ��ʽ��
I felt like we could talk at a level of clarity and sensitivity and lack of defensiveness like never before. �Ҿ��ã����ǿ��ԣ���ǰ��δ�еģ����������кͲ����䱸�ķ�ʽ�����жԻ���
The drug is helping us express how much we love each other, ҩ��������DZ������ǶԱ˴˵İ���
but the love didn't come from the drug. �����ְ���������ҩ�
This is a tool that can really open up myself, ����һ�����ߣ��������������Լ���
others, the culture to the value of psychedelics. ���ˣ����ֳ��Ի�ҩ�Ļ��ļ�ֵ��
- My phone rings, -�ҵĵ绰���ˣ�
and wow, he's just blasting through the phone. �ۣ������ڵ绰��������
He's ecstatic. �������˿�ϲ��
And he starts thanking me. Ȼ������ʼ��л�ҡ�
And so he was just on fire. ���ң��������Ż���һ����
He just loved it. ������ϲ��������
And so we became friends,because we both wanted to be therapists, �������dz�Ϊ�����ѣ���Ϊ���Ƕ����Ϊ����ʦ��
and we thought psychedelics could facilitate that,and especially MDMA. ������Ϊ�Ի�ҩ���Դٽ���һ�㣬������ҡͷ�衣
(disco music) [��˹������]
They knew that it wasn't illegal, but they knew that it could easily become illegal. ����֪�����Ⲣ��Υ����������֪����������ף����Υ����
- So we started Earth Metabolic Design Lab to gather the support of the psychedelic community, -�������ǿ�ʼ�����ˡ������л���ʵ���ҡ������ռ��Ի�������֧�֣�
to have a non-profit context. Ҫ��һ����Ӫ���ı�����
And so we're having these meetings at Esalen ���ԣ��������������о��������������Ļ��飬
of sort of people from the psychedelic 60s and underground psychedelic therapy. ��������60����Ի��Ʒ��͵����Ի��Ʒ����ˡ�
This is where I learned about Sasha Shulgin and the whole psychedelic underground. �Ҿ����������˽��ɳ������𣬺������Իõ�����֯�ġ�
Sasha Shulgin is a brilliant chemist. ��ɳ���������һλ�ܳ��Ļ�ѧ�ҡ�
- Sasha was the one who published on the human studies, and so he's been kind of called the godfather of MDMA. -��ɳ��һλ�����������о�������ˣ����ԣ�������Ϊ��ҡͷ��Ľ̸�����
- Sasha would develop new drugs.He would take it himself first. -��ɳ�Ὺ����ҩ�����������Լ����á�
If he thought it was interesting, ��������ú���Ȥ��
then it would go to this group of 12 people that would meet periodically to try new drugs. ��ô���ͻύ�����12�˵�С�飬���ǻᶨ�ڻ��棬������ҩ��
Sasha did say that of all the MDMA-like drugs that he developed,MDMA was the best. ��ɳ˵���������з�����������ҡͷ���ҩ���У�ҡͷ������õġ�
And from the middle 70s to the early 80s, around half a million doses were used. ��70������ڵ�80���������Լ��50���ҩ�ﱻ���á�
Some of it was for couples therapy,you know, personal growth. ��Щ�����ڷ�������ƣ��㶮�ģ�Ϊ�˸��˵ijɳ���
And out of that is where the word spread. ����ǣ�����ʻ㴫���ĵط���
And that's where eventually Michael heard about it. ���˶������������˵������¡�
(pop music) [��������]
- It's just like... -�����...
the universe gives you a mission and you just go for it. ���������һ���������ȥ�������
In researching it, ���������
I found out that Alexander Shulgin was giving a talk at University of California, Santa Barbara. �ҷ�������ɽ������𣬵�ʱ���ڼ��ݴ�ѧʥ�Ͱ�����У���ݽ���
I was living in Dallas at the time and I went and I attended it �ҵ�ʱס�ڴ���˹����ȥ�μ���������
and I intended to ask him about: how do I make this? ������������Ҫ��ô��������������أ�
I mean, this is incredible stuff. �ҵ���˼�ǣ����Dz���˼��Ķ�����
So I went up for the talk. ���ԣ��Ҿ�ȥ���ݽ��ˡ�
- This is a start.Thank you very much. -���Ǹ���ʼ���dz���л���ǡ�
(applause) [����]
- They carried him off the stage on their shoulders. -���ǰ��������˽�̨��
And I didn't get a chance to talk to him. �Ҷ�û�������˵����
I was walking down the beach after that and happened to run into him. ����֮�������ź�̲�ߣ���������������
Mr. Shulgin? �����������
Hi! �ˣ�
Clegg. I'm Michael Clegg. �ҽп��������˶�.������
I just happened to recognize hm and said, oh my God, I came hee ��ֻ�������ϳ�������Ȼ��˵��Ŷ�����ģ��������
because I have this mission to bring this to the world. ����Ϊ�������ʹ����Ҫ������������硣
He was all happy about that. ���Դ˷dz����ˡ�
He loved my project. ��ϲ���ҵ���Ŀ��
And he said, I've already given the formula in a book. ��˵�����Ѿ������ϣ������˷���ʽ��
And he gave me the name of it. ���������Ȿ������֡�
The man had made it public information so that it would not get lost. ���˰������������� �����ⶪʧ��
Even though he didn't really know me, he and I had a perfect fit. ���������������˽��ң��������ҷdz����ϡ�
And from there,it just all flowed perfectly. ����ʱ��һ�ж���˳����
- Apparently, Michael Clegg went around telling people -����Ȼ�����˶�������������˵��
that Alexander Shulgin gave him the formula ����ɽ�������������䷽��
and gave him, like, his blessig to go forth and make... ��������ף��������ȥ��...
It was complete nonsense. ����ȫ����̸֮��
- If that part is true, I do know that Sasha regretted it. -���������ģ���֪������ɳ��ܺ�ڵġ�
- In fact, he was, you know,quite shocked to find out what he was up to. -��ʵ�ϣ���֪�������������Լ�����ʲôʱ�����dz���
Sasha didn't want it to become illegal. ��ɳ��ϣ�����ɷǷ���Ϊ��
- Got the book immediately. -���Ͼ͵õ����Ȿ�顣
Got hold of a chemist in New York City who couldn't quite make it crystallize. ����ϵ��ŦԼ��һ����ѧ�ң���ȴû�취�������ᾧ������
I was like a heat-seeking rocket on this. �Ҹ����£�����һöѰ���Ե��Ļ����һ����
So I started all over again with a Filipino woman that was a PhD chemist. ��ˣ��Һ�һλ���ɱ�Ů��ѧ��ʿ�����¿�ʼ��
- In 1979, I moved to Intel, a semiconductor company. -1979�꣬�����۵��뵼�幫˾Ӣ�ض���
I was employed at the quality control division of the wafer fabrication processes. ���ھ�Բ������̵��������Ʋ��Ź����� ��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң�
Howard Butcher, my boss and mentor, �����¡��������ҵ��ϰ�͵�ʦ��
he took me aside and asked me if I wanted to do some consulting. �����ҽе�һ�ߣ������Ƿ�����һЩ��ѯ������
I had heard that he was hired to synthesize MDMA at the gram level. ����˵�����˹����ϳɡ��˼�����ҡͷ�衣
The consulting work with Howard Butcher was done after hours. �����¡���������ѯ�����������°����ɵġ�
I put together all the equipmet that I would need, �Ұ�������Ҫ���豸��������һ��
and I went to the laboratory and executed. Ȼ��ȥʵ���Ҳ���ִ�С�
I was given the Merck patent and it wasn't mentioned there that it was an amphetamine.���������� ���õ���Ĭ�˹�˾��ר����������û���ᵽ������һ�֡�������������
It was 3,4-methylenedioxy isopropylamine. ����3,4-�Ǽ��������������
It was just the molecule,you know, the legality was not a question at that point. ��ֻ�Ƿ��ӣ���֪��������һ���ϣ��Ϸ����Dz�������ġ�
It didn't matter to me. �������˵��������Ҫ��
It was a molecule that was simply progressing into some kind of commercial state. ����һ�ַ��ӣ�ֻ�ǽ�����ij����ҵ״̬��
So that was when I had to pretty much create the crystallization process. �������Ҫ��ɡ��ᾧ���̡���ʱ��
I put the material in a Petri dish, �ҰѲ��Ϸ����������
inside a desiccator, put a little vacuum, and bubbled in hydrogen chloride gas. ���ڸ������У���һЩ��գ������Ȼ������塣
Slowly but surely, the following morning, lo and behold, �������϶��أ����˵ڶ������ϣ��쿴�ţ�
it was "Eureka!" ��ͽС����│���� ��������ϴ��ʱ������������ɣ������ù�ϣ����ߺ������ҵ��ˣ�����
("I Want to See the Light" by Rational Youth) [���������ֶӵġ����뿴��������]
My first experience was really a moment of creation. �ҵĵ�һ�ξ����������һ�������ʱ�̡�
It was like the first substance that I had a really close relationship with. �����ҵ�һ�Σ����ܽӴ����������ʡ�
It was very exciting. ��ʱ�ܼ�����
He told me I needed to yield one gram,and one gram only. �������ң�����Ҫ������һ�ˣ����ң�ֻҪ��������һ�ˡ�
So he took that one gram,and after it tested,then he told Michael Clegg. ����������һ�ˣ��������������������˶���������
- And she did it, and it was so pure and so beautiful. -�������ˣ���ô���࣬��ô������
Nothing like the ecstasy that's out there in the streets now. û��ʲô�ܱȵ��ϣ����ڴ���ϵ�ҡͷ���ˡ�
- I had the pleasure of taking a bunch of Michael Clegg's ecstasy. -�Һܸ��˷���һ�����˶����������ҡͷ�衣
And it was just as good as the atom ����ͬ�������ԭ������һ���ã�
that was being made by people at MIT using therapeutic circles. ��������������ʡ�������ˣ�������������Ȧ��
We met at a conference. ��������һ�λ�������ʶ�ġ�
And we did want to help him do what he was doing in as effective a way as possible. ����ȷʵ����������Ծ�������Ч�ķ�ʽ������������������顣
You know, Sasha had written several-page documents to prepare people for MDMA. ��Ҫ֪������ɳд�˺ü�ҳ�����ģ�����������ʳҡͷ�衣
So we tried to sort of share, here's the therapeutic way to get the best benefits out of it. �����������ŷ���������һ�����Ʒ��������Դ��л�����ĺô���
And we're like,you should hand this out. ����˵����Ӧ�ð��������ȥ��
There was one way in which Michael Clegg's ecstasy was better, ���˶����������ҡͷ�裬��һ�������ʤһ�
in that it was in tablets rather than powder, �Ǿ�������Ƭ���������Ƿ�ĩ��
so that it was easier to have it look like a normal thing. ��������������������������һ����ͨ�Ķ�����
- Today, we are gonna share something a little bit more exciting. -���죬����Ҫ����һЩ�������˷ܵĶ�����
We're giving it away. ���ǽ�������ͳ�ȥ��
This is just giving it to friends and acquaintances in Dallas to get started. ��ֻ�ǰ�Ǯ��������˹�����Ѻ����˵Ŀ�ʼ��
To new experiences. Ϊ���µ����顣
I always had this image that instead of giving the Eucharist to people, I'm giving them ecstasy, ��һֱ�������������Ҳ��Ǹ�����ʥ�ͣ����Ǹ����ǿ�ϲ��
which is totally closer to God than some piece of bread. ���һƬ��������ӽ��ϵۡ�
("Talking In Your Sleep"by The Romantics) [�����ֶӵġ���������イ����]
Ecstasy takes away all fear. ��ϲ���������еĿ־塣
People that didn't know that they knew how to dance all of a sudden were exploring. ��Щ��֪���Լ���������ˣ���ͻȻ��ʼ̽����Ҫ���ˡ�
It didn't take very long and people were bringing their friends û����ã����Ǿʹ������ǵ��������ˣ�
and their friends were bringing friends, ���ǵ�����Ҳ�����������ˣ�
and pretty soon, I couldn't afford to give it away anymore. �ܿ죬�Ҿ������������������ˡ�
I had to start charging for it. �Ҳ��ò���ʼ�շ��ˡ�
(energetic music) [��������������]
- Up in Mendocino, it's a small town. -���Ŷ���ŵ���Ǹ�С�� (�����������������������dz���)
People pretty much knew I had a reputation as a pot smuggler. ��Ҷ�֪�������Ǹ������Ĵ�����˽���� ������.������ף������ߣ�
A good reputation. ����������
I had plenty of money, I didn't need to work,so I retired. ���кܶ�Ǯ���Ҳ���Ҫ���������ԣ��Ҹɴ�������ˡ�
You know, I basically played music and partied and had a grand time for seven years, ��֪�����һ������������֣��μ��ɶԣ���������ĺ����ӣ�
but cocaine slipped into the picture. ���ɿ���ȴ������ҵ����
It got a hold of me pretty good. ����������ץס�ˡ�
You know, I had a few times when... I didn't know if I was going to make it, it felt so bad. ��֪�������м���...�Ҳ�֪�����Լ��ܲ��ܳŹ�ȥ���о�̫���ˡ�
So I knew I had a problem,and I tried to stop it a number of times. ���ԣ���֪���������⣬���Թ��ü��Σ�ֹͣ������
But I always managed to get back into it. ������������Ͷ�����С�
("Lay It on the Line" by Triumph) [�����ֶӵġ�ֱ���˵���]
(doorbell chiming) [��������]
One day, I get a knock on the door. ��һ�죬�������ҵ��š�
And there's this fellow down there, I thought he was a salesman selling vacuum cleaners or something. �����и��һ����Ϊ���Ǹ�����Ա����������ʲô�ġ�
But he was persistent,so I went down and talked to him. �����ܹ�ִ�������Ҿ�ȥ����̸�ˡ�
I asked him what he wanted, and he said he wanted to introduce me to a new drug. ��������Ҫʲô����˵������ҽ���һ�֡���ҩ����
It's the last thing I wanted,to get involved in the drug business. ��������������£����붾Ʒ���ס�
I'm not interested, buddy. ��û��Ȥ����ơ�
Michael Clegg was an interesting guy. ���˶����������Ǹ���Ȥ���ˡ�
When I first met him, he really had his heart and soul into the good that it would bring to people. ���ҵ�һ�μ�������ʱ�������ȫ���ĵ�Ͷ�뵽����Ϊ���Ǵ����ô�����ҵ�С�
- These things, they... -������������...
They can change your life, man. ���ǿ��Ըı���������ơ�
Call me. ���Ҵ�绰��
- He gave me a bunch of literature on MDMA. ��������һ�ѹ���ҡͷ��������ᡣ
And over a period of about a month, I read all of it. �ڴ�Լһ���µ�ʱ����Ҷ��������еIJ��ӡ�
He said, well,can we talk some more? ��˵����������̸̸��
And I said, sure,come on over to my house. ��˵����Ȼ�����ҼҰɡ�
- Just relax and let the music guide you. -���ɣ�������ָ���㡣
- So that evening, he brought his wife, Paulina, -�����������ϣ������������ӱ����ȴ�������
over, and the two of them sat down and said, ������������˵��
you know, we'd like to share it with you, ��֪���������������������
because we think this will probably help you with your cocaine issue. ��Ϊ������Ϊ������ܻ���������ɿ������⡣
MDMA was legal. ҡͷ������ʱ���ǺϷ��ġ�
It was brand new, really. ����ȫ�µģ���ġ�
There was no laws against it. û�з��ɽ�ֹ��������
So I said, OK, let me try it. ������˵���ðɣ��������ԡ�
He put on a tape by Deuter called Ecstasy,and it was just unbelievable. ������һ�̣������ݳ��ĽС���ϲ���ĴŴ�����ֱ�������š�
I love all types of music,but this just got me. ��ϲ���������͵����֣�����������ҡ�
And all of a sudden,the music came on, ͻȻ�������������ˣ�
and it almost lifted me out of my couch. ���������Ҵ�ɳ���ϣ�̧��������
I felt like I was levitating.I felt so good. �Ҹо��Լ���Ư�����Ҹо��ü��ˡ�
It was like a heavenly experience. �����һ�����ð�ľ�����
It was just unbelievable. �����������š�
This angst I had in me that I'd carried for seven years ���ֽ��ǣ�������������������
just kind of evaporated. ͻȻ��ʧ�ˡ�
It was amazing. ��̫�����ˡ�
And I thought,wow, why in the world would you ever do coke when you have something like this? �Ҿ��룬�ۣ���Ȼ�������ֶ�������Ϊʲô��Ҫ���ɿ����أ�
It was many, many, many years ago, and I've never touched coke or thought about it. ���Ǻܶࡢ�ܶࡢ�ܶ���ǰ�����ˣ��Ҵ���û�������ɿ���Ҳû���������
That was it. ����������
One shot and that was over. һ�λ��ᣬ�ͽ����ˡ�
Just absolutely amazing. ����̫�����ˡ�
I'll be forever grateful that he came to my place and let me have that opportunity. �ҽ���Զ�м��������ҵ�ס����������������ᡣ
I just...I can't. ��ֻ��...�Ҳ��ܡ�
(stammering) [���Ͱ͵�]
- Oh my God, we know. -Ŷ���ҵ��ϵۣ�����֪���ˡ�
- What do you call this stuff? -�ⶫ����ʲô��
- It's therapy. -�������ơ�
- I told Michael, you know,that album you gave me, -�Ҹ����˶�˵������ҵ�����ר����
uh, named Ecstasy,that's absolutely the perfect name. ���ֽС�ҡͷ�����������̫�����ˡ�
Ecstasy. ҡͷ�衣
That's what it is. ������ʵ��
- The experience is pure ecstasy. -�������飬�Ǵ���Ŀ�ϲ��
So why not call it ecstasy? ��Ϊʲô��������ϲ�أ�
- That's how it went down,and it stuck. -�������������չ�ģ�����һֱ������ȥ��
- Here comes Howard again. -�����������ˡ�
We're scaling up. ��������������
Would you like to continue? ��Ҫ������
I said, well, yes,I just have to be paid more,just a little more. ��˵���ðɣ����ԣ���ֻҪ����һ������꣬�����ˡ�
And I agreed. �������Ҿ�ͬ���ˡ�
And that was the first time I met Michael Clegg. �����ҵ�һ�μ������˶���������
Michael Clegg was very casual at that time. ���˶���������ʱ�����⡣
I mean, he was easy to be with. ����˵�����ܺ��ദ��
I mean, he stated what he needed, and...and then he left. ����˵����˵������Ҫʲô��Ȼ��...Ȼ�������뿪�ˡ�
All right, let's get started,shall we? ���ˣ����ǿ�ʼ�ɣ�
The Drisura boys were seminarians with Michael Clegg, and they all left ���������ҵ��к��Ƕ������˶������������ѧԺѧ�������Ƕ��뿪ѧУ
to pursue civilian life. ȥ��ƽ������������ˡ�
But upscaling from one gram to 100,it's much more complex. ����1�����ӵ�100�ˣ����Ӷ��ˡ�
- Yeah, we understand. - We got it, yeah. -�ǵģ��������⡣ -����֪���ˣ��ǵġ�
(pop music) [��������]
- The goal was to get the Drisura boys up and running. -���ǵ�Ŀ�����õ��������ҵ��ֵ��ǣ�������������
They knew nothing about chemistry. ���ǶԻ�ѧһ�ϲ�ͨ��
How do I teach this layperson how to handle chemicals? ����ν�������У���δ�����ѧƷ��
It was pretty demanding. ���Ҫ�����൱���̵ġ�
It took us probably two to three weeks to get to the end result. ���Ǵ�Ż����������ܵ�ʱ�䣬�ŵõ����յĽ����
- My distribution points were basically Dallas and some friends in California. -�ҵ����۵㣬�������Ǵ���˹�ͼ��ݵ�һЩ���ѡ�
And that was it.That was the beginning. ��������������ǿ�ʼ��
- Ecstasy. -ҡͷ�衣
That's what we're calling it, boys. ���Ǿ�����ô�����ģ������ǡ�
And it's perfectly legal. ������ȫ�Ϸ��ġ�
When I started selling MDMA,I had a purpose in life. ���ҿ�ʼ��ҡͷ��ʱ������������Ŀ�ꡣ
There was millions of people in the US that were strung out on coke. ���������������ˣ���ʳ�ɿ���
And I thought this would be a wonderful way to get them off of that. ����Ϊ�⽫��һ���ܺõķ�ʽ�����������ǡ�
The next day, everybody was back wanting more. �ڶ��죬ÿ���˶������ˣ���Ҫ���ࡣ
I'm going to need another 5,000 more at least to start. �����ٻ���Ҫ5000��Ԫ�����ܿ�ʼ��
- Whatever you need, you got it. -��������Ҫʲô���Ҷ����㡣
- So off we went to the races. -���ԣ����ǿ�ʼ�˾�����
(energetic music) [�������]
I was driving back and forth and picking up 20,000, 30,000, 50,000. �ҿ��ų������ػأ��ջ���������������
I went from zero production to 50,000 in a couple months. �ҵIJ����ڼ������ڣ�����������5��
Sales were going extremely fas. ���۽�չ�÷dz��졣
We were selling a million dollars a month. ����ÿ���£�������100����Ԫ��
And most of the buyers were bartenders. �������ң����ǵ���ʦ��
(pop music) [��������]
��1984�꣬����˹��˹����ҹ�ܻᣩ
- Handling the money was the hardest part of the whole project. -�����ʽ���������Ŀ�У����ѵIJ��֡�
What do you do with all that cash? �����ô������Щ�ֽ�
I had more money than God at that time. ��ʱ�ҵ�Ǯ�����ϵۻ��ࡣ
I could buy anything I want. �ҿ������κΣ�����Ҫ�Ķ�����
Planes, boats, real estate. �ɻ����������ز���
(pop music) [��������]
Pauline was not only a great wife and companion, but she was a tremendous businesswoman. ���ղ�����һλΰ������ӺͰ��£�����һλ�˲����Ů���ˡ�
Oh, my God. Ŷ���ҵ��ϵۡ�
She handled the money,and I handled the product. ������Ǯ���Ҹ����Ʒ��
- I handed him a lot of money,and he talked too much about the money. -�Ҹ������ܶ�Ǯ����ȴ�ੲ��ݵ�̸��Ǯ��
You got to keep your money ��ð����Ǯ
to yourself for a while. �Լ�����������һ��ʱ�䡣
Put it someplace that nobody can find it. ��������û�����ҵ��ĵط���
- I was converting cash into gold, -�Ұ��ֽ�һ��ɻƽ�
and I had to store the gold somewhere. �ұ���ѻƽ�����ij���ط���
I buried a lot of gold under the doghouse. ���ڹ������棬���˺ܶ���ӡ�
I bought some property near Vancouver �����¸绪��������Щ�ز���
and buried a lot of gold up there. ��������˺ܶ���ӡ�
And that gold is still there.I don't know where it's at. ��Щ�ƽ�������Ҳ�֪���������
There's millions of dollars of gold up in Vancouver somewhere. �¸绪ij�����м�ֵ��������Ԫ�Ļƽ�
- We all know that Edgar Cayce was the most renowned medium and psychic of our time. -���Ƕ�֪�������¼ӡ��������������ʱ������������ý��ͨ���ߡ�
Peter Weber is said to be the next Edgar Cayce. �˵á�Τ����˵����һ�����¼ӡ�������
In his channeling, he is known to call upon an entity named Ross Peterson. ������ͨ���У������ٻ�һ�����С���˹���˵�ɭ���Ķ�������ʵ�塣
Ross Peterson is actually Peter Weber's higher self. ��˹���˵�ɭʵ�����DZ˵á�Τ���ĸ������ҡ���
Tell the audience at home about your spiritual journey. �����ڼ���������Ŀ�����ڣ���ľ���֮�á�
- You know, when Michael got into a haze, -��֪���𣬵����˶��������ʱ��
we hired these psychics to help him make a decision or help him give sight to what's going on. ���ǹ�����Щ��ý�����������������߰������壬������ʲô��
- What is it like being a clairvoyant? -����Ԥ֪δ��������ʲô�о���
- It wasn't by choice.I was born this way. -�ⲻ���ҵ�ѡ������������������
- Paulina, that's him. That's the guy. -�����ȣ���������������һ
- What guy? - From the book, Peter Weber. -���Ǹ�ʲô�һ -���������е��Ǹ����˵á�Τ����
- Peter Weber? -�˵�.Τ����
He's the clairvoyant I was telling you about. �������Ҹ���˵���ģ��Ǹ�����Ԥ֪δ�������ˡ�
Gentlemen of the Texas Group,as we all know, we are on the cusp of an evolution. ���¿���˹���š��������ǣ����Ƕ�֪�������������ڱ��ķ���˼⡣
Our product is the key to the human soul. ���ǵIJ�Ʒ���ǿ�����������Կ�ס�
But today, I wanted to introduce you to my new... ���ǽ��죬������������ҵ��µġ�
spiritual business advisor, �ڽ�ҵ����ʣ�
Peter Weber. �˵á�Τ����
Peter! �˵ã�
(upbeat music) [���������]
- Drugs are menacing our society. -��Ʒ��в�����ǵ���ᡣ
They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions. ����������в���ǵļ�ֵ�ۣ��������ǵ��ƶȡ�
- This was the time of Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan and the escalation of the drug war. -������ϣ����������ɵ¡����ִ����ʱ�ڣ�Ҳ�Ƕ�Ʒս��������ʱ�ڡ�
It was clearly doomed.It was going to be criminalized. ����Ȼ��ע��Ҫʧ�ܵġ��⽫����Ϊ����
- Say no to drugs and say yes to life. -�Զ�Ʒ˵����Ҫ����������˵���ǵġ�
- I knew the DEA would be interested in something earth-shattering as this would be. -��֪�������𣬻���������춯�ص��£�����Ȥ��
I could see this overtaking marijuana and cocaine overnight, �ҿ���Ԥ����������һҹ֮�䣬��Խ����Ϳɿ���
because it's so much better,so much, at every level. ��Ϊ���ڸ��������ϣ���Ҫ�õö̫࣬���ˡ�
- But we were concerned -�����ǵ��ĵ��ǣ�
that what was going to happen was the more public use of ecstasy was going to end up criminalizing the therapeutic use. Խ��Խ��Ĺ���ʹ��ҡͷ�裬���ջὫ������ʹ�ã���Ϊ���
Michael Clegg had an 800 number.You could dial 1-800-ECSTASY ���˶���������ĵ绰������800������Բ���1-800-ҡͷ��
and buy as much as you wanted on your credit card. ��������ÿ���������پ�����١�
Sasha said, you know, please,you know, maybe you and Debby can go up there and talk to this guy, ��ɳ˵����֪���������ˣ�Ҳ�������ȿ���ȥ����������̸̸��
because he was ramping up his machine, you know, producing more and more and more. ��Ϊ�������������Ļ���������Խ��Խ���ˡ�
This was going to explode because what we were afraid of is that we would be pushed into emergency scheduling. �⽫�ᱬը����Ϊ���Ǻ��µ��ǣ����ǻᱻ�Ƚ��롰�������ơ�����
And if that happened,then we would have no time ��������Ļ������Ǿ�������
to build our case,we would have no time �����ǵ��۾ݣ�Ҳ������
to produce the research papers and things that could support the case for MDMA. �ó��ܹ�֧��MDMA��ҡͷ�裩�Ϸ������о����ĺ��������ϡ�
So I asked Rick Doblin,would you come with me? And he said yes. ���ԣ�������ˡ��಼�֣���Ը�����һ��ȥ�� ����˵�����ԡ�
- So, the scheduling of drugs is done not by the FDA, -���ԣ����ֶ�ҩ��ġ����ư��š�������������ʳƷҽҩ�������ƶ��ģ�
but by the Drug Enforcement Administration. �����������������ƶ��ġ�
Schedule 1 is for drugs that have a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use. ����һ����ơ��������Щ���п��ܱ����õ�ҩ���Ŀǰû�б����ܵ�ҽ���÷���
Heroin is in Schedule 1. ���������ڵ�һ����ơ�
- We arrive at this big,beautiful home. -����������������ִ���Ư���ļҡ�
You know, it's just gorgeous. ��֪������̫Ư���ˡ�
Looks like something out of Architectural Digest. ���������ǡ�������ժ�������Ʒ��
He opens the door. �����˴��š�
He was pleasant looking, kind of a cherubic face, you know. �����ú�����ϲ������һ����������
- You like the champagne? -����ϲ��������
- Very good. Thank you. -�ܺá�лл�㣡
What we were saying is,could you keep this a little bit more quiet? ������ʱҪ˵���ǣ����ܲ��ܰѲ�������һЩ��
And he wasn't willing to do that. ������Ը����ô����
- MDMA isn't just a drug. -���Ǽ�˫����������ҡͷ�裩��ֻ��һ��ҩ�
It's a tool.I'm not just selling a high.I'm elevating consciousness. ����һ�ֹ��ߡ��Ҳ�ֻ���ڳ��ۿ�С�����������ʶ��
I want everyone to experience it, not just the people who can afford your retreats. ��ϣ��ÿ���˶�����������������������Щ����������ȥ�����Ƕ������ˡ�
- You're putting a target on everyone's back. -�����ڰ�ÿ���ˣ��������ˡ����ӡ���
- Michael seemed kind of slick. - ���˶��������е㻬ͷ��
He seemed kind of,you know, interested in making lots of money. ��֪�������ƺ�����Ǯ���ܸ���Ȥ��
He didn't really care that what they were doing was going to criminalize the therapeutic use. �������ں������ǵ��������Ƿ�Ὣ��������ҩ����Ϊ���
But he also did have this messianic kind of, let's spread MDMA to the world. ����Ҳ��һ�־���������뷨�������ǰ�ҡͷ�裬������ȫ���硣
- It's not illegal! -���ֲ�Υ����
I've cured people of addictions. ���κ������ǵĶ�
I've opened hearts.I've opened minds. �ҳ��������顣�Ҵ���˼·��
What do you think I am,a street pusher? ����Ϊ����ʲô����ͷС����
I was trying to get it blasted out there, yeah. �ҵ�ʱ�������Щ��룬ͳͳ����ը������û����
(laughing) [��]
The last thing I was trying to do was hide it. �ҵ�ʱ������ģ�����͵͵�������¡�
- We went back and forth for many, many hours. -���Ƿ�����ȥ�����˺ü���Сʱ��
He finally just said, frankly, Debby, �����˵����ʵ˵����ȣ�
if it goes illegal,I'll just make more money. ������÷Ƿ����һ����������Ǯ��
And I went, OK. ��˵���ðɡ�
I mean, I was almost grateful because I felt like, OK, at least he's being honest. ����˵���Ҽ�����ͦ���������ģ���Ϊ�Ҿ��ã������룬���dz�ʵ�ġ�
That's his bottom line. �������ĵ��ߡ�
That's where his value is. ��������ļ�ֵ���ڡ�
- So my approach to Michael was, -���ԣ��ҵ�ʱ�����˶���̬���ǣ�
we would like you ����ϣ����
to make a donation to us to help fight the criminalization that you are causing. �ܸ����Ǿ��������ǡ��Կ�������ɵķ��
It will make it so that it will stay legal longer for you. �����������ڸ�����ʱ���ڣ����ֺϷ���
And it will also enable us to raise resources to go and to fight the DEA. ��Ҳ��ʹ�����ܹ����O��Դȥ�Կ�����������DEA����
- How would you like 20,000 pills? -����Ҫ2��Ƭ��
I just remember loving Ric from the first time I met him. ��ֻ�ǵã��ҵ�һ�μ������ʱ����ϲ�������ˡ�
And really understanding his cause. ��������������������ҵ��
- The optics, I said,it will look like we were just a front for the biggest drug manufacturer in the country. -���ӱ����Ͽ�������˵����������˾��ã�����ֻ�ǹ��������ƶ��ߵ��ڻ�����
This was a major point of difference between Rick and myself. ������˺���֮���һ����Ҫ��ͬ�㡣
- 20,000 and we'll figure out the rest. -����Ƭ��ʣ�µ��������㡣
Didn't even matter,because it was like confetti,you know. ��Щ������Ҫ����Ϊ����������������ֽмһ����
- Michael, on the one hand, -��һ���潲�����˶���
was the key person responsible for the criminalization of MDMA ecstasy, �ǽ�ҡͷ��(MDMA)����Ĺؼ����
but through the donation of a tiny fraction of the amount of MDMA ������ͨ�������͵�һС����ҡͷ�裨MDMA����
that he was making, enabled us to get the information that we needed, the data that we needed ʹ�����ܹ������������Ҫ����Ϣ��������Ҫ�����ݣ�
to start the whole process of medicalizing MDMA. ������������MDMA������ҽ�ƻ����������̡�
(energetic music) [��������������]
We knew that the DEA was going to come for us because they knew about ecstas. ����֪����������������ǣ���Ϊ����֪������ҡͷ����¶���
But we also knew that the DEA didn't know about the therapeutic use. ������Ҳ֪��������������֪���ģ���������������;��
And so that gave us this opportunity ���ԣ�����������������
to share MDMA with a lot of different people ��ܶͬ���˷���MDMA��
who would not have done it if it was illegal. ������ǷǷ��ģ����ǾͲ�����ô���ˡ�
We tried to cede it to different people who would speak out in the media to protect MDMA. ������ͼ�������벻ͬ���ˣ����ǻ���ý���ϴ�������������MDMA��
Rabbi Zalman Schachter,who was kind of a Jewish mystic, ��������ɳ�������ȣ�����һ����̫���������ߣ�
several different leaders of the Zen community around the world and other Catholic mystics, ���������������ļ�λ��ͬ���䣬�Լ��������������������ߣ�
and these various people then took MDMA and then reported back what their experience was. ��Щ��ͬ���˷�����ҡͷ�裬Ȼ�������ǵľ�����
(�����������ݣ�Ŧ���غ���)
- I managed to make a connectin with a fellow that was one of the biggest coke dealers in the country. -���跨��һ���һィ������ϵ������ȫ�����Ŀɿ�������֮һ��
His nickname was The Devil. ��ɫ�ºŽС�ħ������
I thought, now here's a great opportunity. �ҵ�ʱ��Ϊ�����Ǹ��û��ᡣ������.������ף������ߣ�
I wonder if I can turn him on,if I can get him turned on, ����֪�������ܲ��������˷�������������������˷�������
maybe he can switch all these people that are buying his cocaine. Ҳ�������������������ɿ�����ˣ������˷�������
So I flew down to Newport and had a meeting with him. �����ҷɵ�Ŧ���أ����������档
And it was difficult at first,because I told him I had a new drug. һ��ʼ�����ѣ���Ϊ�Ҹ���������һ����ҩ��
But I finally got him to try some. �������ڣ���������һ�ڡ�
He said, ��˵��
This has really lit me up. ��������Һ��˷ܡ�
This is the best thing that's ever happened. ���Ƿ������ģ���õ����顣
I just can't believe how wonderful. �Ҽ�ֱ�������ţ�������ô����
This is going to change the world overnight. �⽫��һҹ֮�䣬�ı����硣
We shake hands,that's the deal. �������֣����״�ɡ�
(laughing) [��]
Initially, Michael was very authentic with his love for the effects. ��������˶��dz���ϵر����ˣ����ԡ���Ч�����Ȱ���
- Baby! -������
- But then it turned. -���������ת���ˡ�
It turned rather quick when it got into the large production. ����������ģ����ʱ������չ���൱�졣
By this time,I was starting to see this avarice in his eyes, ��ʱ���ҿ�ʼ���������е�̰����
the way he would take the money and just... ����Ǯ������...
act like it was Play-Doh. ���������ֶ�һ���� �������ֹ�����������������
His eyes would glaze over,and also Paulina, too. �����۾�����ͣ�������Ҳһ����
Their attitudes showed through, you know. ��֪�������ǵ�̬�ȱ��ֳ����ˡ�
But I said, ����˵��
now we're talking with the big guys now. ���ڣ�����Ҫ�ʹ����ǶԻ��ˡ�
- Bob, it's no problem, baby. -���������������
Relax. û�µġ�
- And then The Devil would fly up and bring over the mone, and there was nothing. -Ȼ��ħ�����ͻ������������Ǯ���ˣ���ʲôҲû�С�
Michael didn't show up. ���˶�û��¶�档
So I drove over to his place, ���ԣ��ҿ���ȥ�����ң�
knocked on the door and said,Where are you, you know? ���Ž�ȥ����˵������Ķ��ˣ���֪����
I got the biggest coke dealer in the country getting ready to switch over to ecstasy. ȫ�����Ŀɿ����ӣ�����תͶҡͷ���ˡ�
He loves it. His people love it. ����ϲ������������˺�ϲ�������
And he ordered a million and you said you could do it. ������һ����Ƭ����˵����������
He's sitting there waiting with the money. ������Ǯ������������š�
Where's the stuff? ���أ�
(energetic music) [��������������]
- That's it. -����Щ�ˡ�
- I said a million.This isn't even half. -��˵����һ����Ƭ�������һ�롣
(beeping) - That's my meditation bell. [������] -�����ҵ�ڤ����ʾ������
- In the cocaine business, -�ڡ��ɿ��ڵ��ϣ�
you can't say,I'm gonna do something and then don't do it. �㲻��˵���Ҵ�Ӧ��ij���£�Ȼ������������
It's a chain reaction of people who get in serious trouble. ������Щ���ϴ��鷳���˵�������Ӧ��
We're switching businesses from cocaine to MDMA, �������ڰ����⣬�ӿɿ���ת��ҡͷ�裬
which is wonderful, ��Ϊ�����ܺã�
but the business connections that they had were serious people. �������ǽ��������������ˣ���������������ˡ�
It wasn't a loving,hugging group of people. �ǿɲ���һȺ����������ӵ�����ˡ�
The Devil was angry. ��ħ������ʱ��������
There was a chain reaction of fury. ����Ƿ�ŭ�ġ�������Ӧ����
And this... ������...
caused me a lot of grief. ���Ҵ����˺ܶ�ʹ�ࡣ
So I realized I couldn't depend on Michael anymore. ���ԣ�����ʶ���ˣ��Ҳ������������˶��ˡ�
I later found out that he had made a connection with the Bhagwan's people up in Oregon, �����ҷ��֣����˶��Ͷ��ո��ݵġ��ذ���ˣ�
the Rajneeshees, and had sold the million to them ���С�������ʲ�������ィ������ϵ��������һ����Ƭ����������
for $15 a pill, instead of $3. ÿƬ15��Ԫ��������3��Ԫ��
- More than 85,000 people a yer come here to learn about the teachings of one Sri Rajneesh. -ÿ���г���85,000�ˣ�������ѧϰһλ˹��������ϣ�Ľ��塣
- My wife was part of the Osho Ashram group, �������ǰ������ij�Ա��
so when he opened up the ranch up in Oregon, ���Ե����ڶ��ո��ݿ���������Ӫʱ��
we were some of the first peope to go up there and be with him. �����ǵ�һ��ȥ���������һ����ˡ�
��...������һ�����ܻ�ӭ��ҩ��������ҩ������
- It was all legal,totally legal. -���ǺϷ��ģ���ȫ�Ϸ���
Just too good to be true. �õ������������š�
It was everywhere.It was in the New York Times. �������ǡ����ǡ�ŦԼʱ�����ϵ�һƪ���¡�
Socialites parties were talking about it, �罻�ɶ��϶���̸������
and the DEA was making a bunch of claims,and I knew that it was any time. ������Ҳ���˺ܶ���������֪���������������¶���
- The drug dealers need to know that we want them out of our schools, neighborhoods, and our lives. -������Ҫ֪��������ϣ�������뿪���ǵ�ѧУ�����������
- I said, I'm going to stop before it becomes illegal. -��˵����Ҫ������ɷǷ�֮ǰ������ϴ�֡�
I stepped out of the business. ���˳��������ҵ��
I ended up getting stung for this pot deal. ����δ��齻�ף����ҳ��˴����
And because of my association with The Devil, they thought that I was in the cocaine business. ��Ϊ�Һ͡�ħ�����Ĺ�ϵ��������Ϊ�������ɿ�������ġ�
But I never sold a gram of coke in my life. �����Ⱳ�ӣ���û����һ�˿ɿ���
But anyways, I had to go to prison, four years. �������������ҵý�����������ꡣ
(bell ringing) [��������]
- Please remove all negative influences from this mind, -������ͷ�����Ƴ����и����Ӱ�죬
and please notify us when this has been accomplished. ������ɺ�֪ͨ���ǡ�
- Done. -����ˡ� ���˵�.Τ������˹.�˵�ɭ������"��ͨ��֮�ˣ�
- Peter was there from the very start. -�˵ô�һ��ʼ�����ڳ���
He was most likely his counselor, go-to person when things got befuddled, �˵úܿ��������˶��Ĺ��ʣ��������û��ҵ�ʱ�� ��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң�
and he gave general direction, you know,for continuing MDMA. �˵û�����˶����µķ�����֪����Ϊ�˼�����չҡͷ�����⡣
- Talking about our project, -̸�����ǵ���Ŀ��
there has been a situation come up ��һ����������ˣ�
where you might locate the form of Bob McMillen, ����ܻ��ҵ�������������ġ���������
who is probably in a federal penitentiary somewhere around Denver. �������ڵ�������������
Can you locate this form? �����ҵ��������������
- We can locate the form,although not at this exact location. -���ǿ����ҵ�������������Ȼ�������������λ����
Yes. �ǵġ�
- Right, uh... -�Ǻã���...
We're not exactly sure if he's still being held there. ���Dz�ȷ�������Ƿ��������
- If you're walking at the beach and you reach down and grab that of a clam, -��������ں�̲�ϣ������ּ�һֻ���ۣ�
then ye have that of the symbol that this entity embodies as far as thy fears are concerned. ��ô������������ʵ�������ֵ�������������Ŀ־���ԡ�
See? ��������
- A clam meaning he isn't talking. - һֻ������ζ�ţ�������˵����
- Absolutely, the entity reveres silence. -���Եģ������ʵ�塱���ؿ���ƿ��
Therefore,he's divulging nothing. ��ˣ���û��й¶�κ���Ϣ��
See? ��������
- That makes perfect sense to me. -�������˵�������塣
That's perfectly logical. Thank you. ����ȫ��������лл�㣡
- So we knew that the DEA was going to come after us, but the DEA did not know that we existed. -���ԣ�����֪����������������ǣ������Dz�֪�������ǵĴ��ڡ�
What had started happening was a big struggle inside Earth Metabolic Design Lab. ��ʼ�����ģ��ǡ������л���ʵ���ҡ��ڲ���һ������������
And it was about what we said in public. ���ǹ��������ڹ���������˵�Ļ���
They felt publicly we should only say that we're in favor of MDMA being a medicine, ������Ϊ������Ӧ�ù�����˵������֧��MDMA��Ϊһ��ҩ�
and that we should concede that it's OK that it's being criminalized for recreational purposes. ����Ӧ�ó��ϣ����䶨Ϊ����Ŀ�ģ��ǿ��Խ��ܵġ�
And I didn't feel that way at all. ������ȫû�����ָо���
I felt that we have to really argue against the criminalization as a whole. �Ҿ��ã����DZ�����Ϊһ�����壬���Ը������¶��
- And then this last one didn't take change much. -��������һ����Ҳû�иı���١�
It was all about strategy. ��һ�ж�������йء�
And Rick can be a little pig-headed sometimes about things. ��ʱ����˻��ijЩ���飬��Щ��ִ��
- Debby, we talked about this. -��ȣ�����̸������ˡ�
- Rick, can you just leave it till later, please? -��ˣ����ܵȻ������˵��
- You know what? - It's not working. -��֪��ʲô�� -���������á�
- No, you're right. It's not working. -�ǵģ���˵�öԡ��ⲻ���á�
- Rick. -��ˡ�
(upbeat theme music) [�������������] �����ӽ�Ŀ���������㡷1985�꣩
- Well, guess what? We've got another drug. -�����ô�ţ���������һ��ҩ��
It is synthetic. ���Ǻϳɵġ�
And it makes you love everybod. �����ܰ����ɣ����˼��˰���֮�ˡ�
It's called ecstasy. Now who doesn't want to take ecstasy? ��С���ϲ����ҡͷ�裩��˭����Ҫ��ϲ�أ�
- The Phil Donahue show is wanting to do a story, -�ƶ��������ݽ�Ŀ����һ�����£�
a show on MDMA,and they contacted me. һ������ҡͷ��Ľ�Ŀ��������ϵ���ҡ�
I realized that for me to be a spokesperson ����ʶ����������˵��
on the Donahue Show, saying what I believed to be the case, would be a problem. ��Ϊ�ڡ��������㡷�ϵķ����ˣ�˵���������ŵ���������Ǹ��鷳��
I'm saying, OK, let's get Bob Schuster on the show. ��Ҫ˵���ðɣ��ñ�������˹���Ͻ�Ŀ�ɡ�
Bob Schuster, he was from University of Chicago, ��������˹�أ�������֥�Ӹ��ѧ�� �����˹����˹�ز�ʿ��֥�Ӹ��ѧ��ҩ�������о����ģ�
and he told me that he thought MDMA should be in Schedule 3, �������ң�����Ϊҡͷ��Ӧ�ñ����롰�������ơ���
which is meaning available as a medicine. Ҳ����˵����������Ϊҽҩʹ�á�
Schuster told the story of what I actually wanted him to say, ��˹��˵���ˣ��������������Ļ���
it should be in Schedule 3, but he mentioned this issue about neurotoxicity. ��Ӧ�ñ����롰��������ơ��������ᵽ�����Ե����⡣
Gene Haislip from the DEA was also on the show. ������ļ�������˹����Ҳ�μ��˽�Ŀ��
- The drug has been around for several years, -����ҩ���Ѿ����ںü����ˣ�
but what we've seen in the last couple of years is an escalation of the availability. �������ڹ�ȥ��������ģ��ǿɻ���Ե������� ����������˹���գ�����������������������
- The DEA freaked out,and Gene Haislip decided -�������������ˣ���������˹���վ�����
that he could turn this fear of neurotoxicity �����Խ����ֶ����Ե���
into a justification for emergency scheduling MDMA, ת��Ϊ��ҡͷ�裨MDMA��ִ�С��������ơ������ɣ�
which happened in 1985. ���·�����1985�ꡣ
It was just... ��ֻ��...
the law of unintended consequences. ���벻���ķ��ɺ����
- I don't know that that was Rick's fault, that's just, it happened,it was unfortunate. -�Ҳ�֪��������˵Ĵ���ֻ��������������������ˣ��ܲ��ҡ�
- Senator Bentsen urged the Drug Enforcement Administration -����Ա����ɭ�شټ����𣬾�����֤�ᣬ
to hold hearings to determine whether MDMA should be declared Schedule I. ��ȷ��ҡͷ��MDMA�Ƿ�Ӧ����������Ϊ����һ��������ư��š���
- I refused to stop talking about how I think it should not be criminalized at all. -��һֱ��˵������Ϊ������ҩ������Ӧ�ñ��϶�Ϊ�����ﻯ����
And that created a lot of division. ������˺ܶ���硣
And I realized that I really had to resign from Earth Metabolic Design Lab and start something new. ����ʶ������ı��룬��ȥ�����л���ʵ���ҵĹ�������ʼ�µĹ�����
But it was out of despair, out of desperation. �����dz��ھ��������ڼ��衣
There was no other way forward. û�б��·���ߡ�
And so I thought I would just become a pharmaceutical compan. ���ԣ������һ��ʺ�һ����ҩ��˾�ġ�
- This morning, the Drug Enforcement Administration is announcing its intention �������ϣ�����������������
to place the drug known as MDM, ������Ϊ�����Ǽ�˫����������MDMA����ҩ�
or by the street name ecstasy,under emergency controls of Schedule 1. ���ڽ�ͷ������Ϊ��ҡͷ�裬�����һ��������Ƶ�������
This control will impose criminal penalties for both unauthorized manufacture and distribution of up to 15 years. ������ƣ�����δ����Ȩ����ͷ������ˣ����Գ���15������´�����
- What we did was move the operation out of the United States and only sell it in countries where it was legal. -�����������ǽ�ҵ���Ƴ�������ֻ�ںϷ��Ĺ��ҽ������ۡ�
That was the whole goal. ���������Ŀ�ꡣ
I knew the DEA was serious and I didn't want to get involved. ��֪��������������ģ��Ҳ����������
I didn't want to get arrested. �Ҳ��뱻������
The momentum was so strong. ��ͷ�����ǿ����
We didn't want it to stop. ���Dz�����ҵ��ͣ�͡�
- I then met Michael sometime in 1985 in California. -1985���ij��ʱ�����ڼ������������˶���
And he said, would you meet us at the General Aviation Terminal? ��˵��������ͨ�ú��պ�վ���������Ǽ�����
He came on a Learjet. ���dz���������������ġ�
It was a local airport,small airport in Santa Clara,California. ����һ�����ػ�����λ�ڼ���ʥ��������һ��С������
And I walked inside, �����˽�ȥ��
and there they were. ���Ǿ������
(laughing) [��]
I knew that it was a big momen. ��֪��������һ����Ҫ��ʱ�̡�
- Sit, sit, sit, sit. -���£����£����£�������
- When I first met Michael Clegg, I thought he had the deepest blue eyes, right? -���ҵ�һ�μ������˶�.�������ʱ���Ҿ�������һ˫��������۾����ɣ�
He seemed to have some kind of power behind him. ���������ƺ�����ij��������
He was really dressed to the nine. ���Ĵ��ţ���úܽ�����
Paulina was dressed in white,and he was also dressed in white. �����ȴ��Ű�ɫ���·�����Ҳ���Ű�ɫ���·���
It seemed to me that he has arrived and something big is coming down. ���ҿ����������ˣ���Ҫ���������ˡ�
And he introduced me to Walter Franz. �����ҽ��ܸ��ֶ��ء����ʴġ�
- Carina is the mother of our beloved molecule. -�����ȣ��������װ��ġ����ӻ�ѧ��֮ĸ��
We are all very well acquainted with your work. ���Ƕ��������Ĺ�����������Ϥ��
- And as beautiful as she is talented. -����Ư�������вŻ���
- Indeed. Walter Franz here is my CFO with the Texas Group. -��ʵ�ϡ��ֶ��ء����ʴ������ڡ��¿���˹���š�����ϯ����١�
- Walter Franz turned his head and he looked through me. �ֶ��ء�������ת��ͷ�������´������ҡ�
He didn't just look at me.�� ����ֻ�ǿ����ҡ�
And I felt that stare,it just really pierced,you know,through me. �Ҹо��������ӣ������ҵ����塣
- If you accept our offer, -�����������ǵı��ۣ�
Walt here will work with you in the financials to make sure that you, uh,that you want for nothing. ���ػ��ڲ�������������ȷ���㣬����ȷ����Ӧ�о��С�
I want to give you your own facility,anything that you need. ��������Լ�����ʩ������Ҫ���κ�������
- Uh...I'm flattered. -��...���ܳ������ˡ�
Michael and Paulina, ���˶��ͱ����ȣ�
they were playful spirits, ���Ǻ���Ƥ��
but it just... I just didn't get it, right? ����ֻ��...��ֻ�Dz����ף��ɣ�
- What do you say? - What do you say? -��Ҫ��ô˵�أ� -��˵ʲô�أ�
- Um... -��...
OK. ���
(laughing) [��]
It was just going to be a major scale-up. �⽫��һ�Σ����ģ�����š�
- Cheers. - Cheers. -�ɱ��� -�ɱ���
("Everybody Wants to Rule the World" by Tears for Fears) [�־������ֶӵġ�ÿ���˶���ͳ�����硱]
I then took MDMA at the Sheraton Round Barn. Ȼ�����ڡ�ϲ���ǵ�Բ�ιȲ֡���������ҡͷ�衣
So they told me, ���ԣ����Ǹ����ң�
it is now time for you to know exactly what you have made. ������ʱ������֪�����㵽������ʲô��
They're telling me I have done this. ���Ǹ����ң����������������
Whoa, that was a big, big load to carry at that point. �ۣ���ʱ��������Ǹ����ĸ�������
She told me, this is really big. �������ң��⸺����úܴ�
This is bigger than you and me. �������Ҷ���
In the peak of the high, my heart just... ���۷�ĸߴ����ҵ���ֻ��...
exploded. ��ը���Ƶá�
And... ����...
I did recognize that it was bigger than me. ��ȷʵ��ʶ��,�����һ���
And that's why time was always running out,and I was embracing something... �����Ϊʲô��ʱ�����������ţ�������ӵ��һЩ����...
so much bigger. ���֮��Ҫ��
("(I Just) Died in Your Arms" by Cutting Crew) [�и�С���ֶӵġ�����ֻ�ǣ�������Ļ��С�]
I took it with Walt. �������ֶ���һ���ҩ��
And the experience escalated, and that was our beginning. ���־���������������ͳ������ǵĿ�ʼ��
I think... �Ҿ���...
to realize that from any human standpoint, ���κ�����ĽǶȶ�����ʶ����
I love you,is really big. �Ұ��㣬��ĺ���Ҫ��
Don't you think? �㲻������
(upbeat music) [���ֵ�����]
So there was this window of time ������һ��ʱ�䣬
when the material could move outside of the United States into Mexico where it was legal. ��Щ���Ͽ��Դ�����ת�Ƶ�ī���磬���������ǺϷ��ġ�
And Walt and the executive committee,they orchestrated that. �ֶ��غ�ִ��ίԱ�ᣬ���IJ�����һ�С�
- We changed the marketing and the production, -���Ǹı���Ӫ����������ʽ��
moved it out of the country,and no sales in the country. ����ת�Ƶ����⣬�ڱ���û�����ۡ�
Basically, Europe was our whole marketplace. �����ϣ�ŷ�������ǵ������г���
("Heart of Glass" by Blondie) [��Ů���ֶӵġ������ġ�]
- First, we ordered materials. -���ȣ����Ƕ����˲��ϡ�
I outworked the three men. �ұ��������˸�Ŭ����
I sent them home, �Ұ������ͻ��˼ң�
and I finished the first batch, ������˵�һ������
single-handedly, right? ����һ�ˣ�����
I would take MDMA before I went to the laboratory, �һ���ȥʵ����֮ǰ������ʳ��ҡͷ�衱��
just so I can get in tune to essentially what's happening over there. �������Ҿ����˽⣬�������ʲô��
I mean, like fast-track the attunement, ����˵��������ٵ��ͣ�
but it was to essentially ������ʵ���ǣ�
elicit that synergistic effect between the substance that's already in me versus the crystals that are in front of me. Ϊ���������ڵ����ʣ�������ǰ�ľ���֮�䣬����ЭͬЧӦ��
We were probably the largest producer of MDMA in that time period. ���ǿ������Ǹ�ʱ�ڣ�����ҡͷ�������̡�
- From 1986 to 1992, MAPS - ��1986����1992�꣬�»ü���ѧ���о�Э�� ���������о��Ϳ����Ի�ҩ�������������еĺϷ�ҽ����;��
submitted five different protocols with various scientists to the FDA for MDMA research. ���λ��ѧ��һ����FDA���ύ����ݲ�ͬ�ģ�����MDMA���о�������
And all of these protocols were rejected by the FDA. ������Щ��������FDA����ˡ�
Science had published a paper that they never should have published, ����ѧ����־������һƪ�����DZ���Ӧ�÷��������ģ�
and it was a paper done by George Ricaurte and Una McCann, funded by NIDA, ����һƪ�����Ρ���غ����ȡ������ɵ����ģ��ɹ���ҩ�������о���������
that claimed that MDMA could hurt dopamine and could cause Parkinson's. ���ơ�ҡͷ�衱��MDMA�����˺�������ϵͳ�Ķ�Ͱ�����������ɭ֢��
And they did a study in primates, and they killed a bunch of the primates, �������鳤�ද����������һ���о�������ɱ����һȺ�鳤�ද�
and they reduced their dopamine. ���Ǽ��������ǵĶ�Ͱ���
And at the end of the year,they came out and said that they had made a terrible,terrible mistake, ������ף����dz���˵�����Ƿ���һ���dz����dz����صĴ���
that they had mistakenly given methamphetamine instead of MDMA to these animals. ���Ǵ���أ�����Щ����ע���˼��������������Ƕ��Ǽ�˫����������ҡͷ�裩��
The criminalization prevented the harm reduction that should have been done. ������ҩ�����¶���谭�ˡ���Ӧ�����˺����Ĺ�����
It's only when the FDA says yes to something being medicine that it can be rescheduled. ֻ�е�ʳƷ��ҩ�������(FDA)ͬ��ij�ֶ���������Ϊҩ��ʱ�����������°��š�
So that was clear for us that we needed to go through the FDA. �������Ǻ������������Ҫͨ��ʳƷ��ҩ������֣�FDA����
It's just enormously expensive and time-consuming. ���Ƿdz�����ͺ�ʱ�ġ�
But I felt that that was the only way forward. ���Ҿ��ã�����Ψһ�ij�·��
So I thought, OK, I'll try tha, no matter how hard it is. �������룬�ðɣ��ҵ�Ҫ���ԣ��������ж��ѡ�
(electronic pop music) [���������]
��1986�꣬������������ɯ����
- The Ibiza supply,they were selling so much ecstasy. -����ɳ���Ĺ�Ӧ�̣��������˺ܶ�ҡͷ�衣
Actually, it turned out that my distributor for all of Europe was one of the sannyasins I met up there at the ranch. ��ʵ�ϣ�������ŷ�ľ����̣������ڡ��������пΡ�������һ����ͽ��
I looked him up and he was great. �Ҳ���������ܰ���
Island of Ibiza? Should have called it the Island of Ecstas. ����ɳ����Ӧ�ý�����ҡͷ�赺����
It was just my mission. �������ҵ�ʹ����
Get this out to the world. �����������ȫ���硣
And I was having fun doing it. �����úܿ��ġ�
In Ibiza, ecstasy replaced cocaine as the drug of choice. ������ɳ����ҡͷ��ȡ���ɿ���Ϊ��ѡ��Ʒ��
- Although the Mexican facility continued to produce, - ��Ȼ��ī���繤������������
the money from sales was not promptly being delivered. ���������õ�Ǯ����û�м�ʱ������
In Mexico, I didn't feel that I was supported with Michael. ��ī���磬�Ҿ�����û�еõ����˶���֧�֡�
He was jealous of my relationship with Walt, �������Һ��ֶ��صĹ�ϵ��
because he made comments that, oh, ��Ϊ�����۵���Ŷ��
he married the chemist, right? ��Ȣ���Ǹ���ѧ�ң��ɣ�
And he saw... success. ����������...�ɹ���
And with that,he probably equated that with power. ��ˣ������ܽ��䣬��ͬ��Ȩ����
That may have caused a rift in that relationship. ����ܵ����ˣ����ֹ�ϵ���Ѻۡ�
We had a function,and we had to execute it. ������һ��ְ�����DZ���ִ������
I mean, with or without him, right? ������û�������ɣ�
��1988�꣬���������ǣ���
(thunder rumbling) [����¡¡]
- Ah... -��...
I want to create a real experience for people. ����Ϊ���Ǵ�����һ����ʵ�����顣
Retreats, �������лᣬ
a place for seekers, һ��ΪѰ�����ĵط���
a haven for the mind. һ��˼������á�
I feel you'd be the man for it. �Ҿ�����������ʵ���ѡ��
- Michael reached out to me in March of 1988, and then I met him in April of 1988. -���˶���1988��3����ϵ���ң�Ȼ������1988��4�º��������ˡ�
He wanted to find a new chemist to produce the material for him. ������һ���µĻ�ѧ�ң�Ϊ���������ֲ��ϡ� ������.����ɭ���л���ѧ�ң�
So, of course, I was interested in this because this was my lifelong dream. ��Ȼ���Ҷ�����ܸ���Ȥ����Ϊ������һ�������롣
My real interest started ����������Ȥ��ʼ��
when I ran across a Playboymagazine article called Future Highs. ��żȻ�������������ӡ���־�ϣ�һƪ��Ϊ��δ���Ŀ�С������¡�
And there was a fascinating quote that I thought was... one of the most profound things I've ever heard, �Ҿ��ã�����һ������˵�����...�����������ģ�����̵Ļ�֮һ��
"What I look for are the connections between molecular structure and consciousness." ����Ѱ�ҵ��ǣ����ӽṹ����ʶ֮�����ϵ����
When I read that,it just blew me away, ���Ҷ�����仰ʱ�������ˣ�
and I knew right then I didn't want to be a medical doctor, I wanted to be a chemist. �ҵ�ʱ��֪�����Ҳ����Ϊһ��ҽ���������Ϊһ����ѧ�ҡ�
Let's say you wanted to scale it up further.What would you do? �������룬�����һ�����������ô����
- I'd rather use larger scale reactors.It'd be more efficient. -����Ըʹ�ã������ģ�ķ�Ӧ�������������Ч�ʡ�
- Hey, whatever you need,you got it. -�٣���������Ҫʲô���Ҷ����㡣
We'll go wherever we need to,wherever best. ����Ҫȥ�����ȥ���ȥ��õĵط���
Some people think they're owed everything.Nothing's enough. ��Щ����Ϊ�����ǰ�һ�ж���ÿ����ˡ�ɶ�����������ˡ�
- Walter was Michael's accountant. -�ֶ��������˶��Ļ�ơ�
If he controlled Michael's money and she controlled the MDMA, they had control over Michael. ��������������˶���Ǯ�����������ˡ�ҡͷ�衱�����ǾͿ��������˶���
Then he was really outraged when they said, oh, by the way, we're a married couple now. Ȼ������˵��Ŷ��˳��˵һ�£����������Ѿ�����ˣ����˶���ú�������
That's when Michael lost it. ���˶���������ʱ��ʧȥ���ǵġ�
He had only been paying $2,000 a kilo prior to that, �ڴ�֮ǰ����ֻ����2000��Ԫһ����ļ۸�
and they unilaterally decided they wanted to raise the price to $7,000 a kilo, �����������ӵ����������Ҫ�Ѽ۸���ߵ�7000��Ԫһ���
which was the reason he decided to find a new chemist, �������������һ���µĻ�ѧ�ҵ�ԭ��
because he didn't want to work with them and pay those prices, ��Ϊ�������������������һ������֧�������ļ۸�
even though he was still making the lion's share. ���ܣ�����Ȼ��ռ������ֺ�����ݶ
- It was harder and harder to get the funding and support. -����ʽ��֧�֣����Խ��Խ�ѡ�
And we had to pay the people.We had to let go of the people. ���ǻ��ø�Ǯ����Щ�ˡ����DZ����뿪��Щ�ˡ�
We had to use our own money when the money didn't come. û��Ǯ����ʱ������ֻ�ö����Լ���Ǯ��
- We're making our plans, Walt. -���������ƶ��ƻ����ֶ��ء�
The money's being moved, invested. Ǯ��ת�ơ�Ͷ���ˡ�
You know? We can't really talk about it right now. ��֪�����������ڲ���̸�����
- It's not your money, that's our money. -�ⲻ�����Ǯ�������ǵ�Ǯ��
- It was pretty dark and intense. -���Ƿdz��ڰ��ͼ��ҵġ�
Things didn't pan out really well, so anxiety levels were at an all-time high. �����չ�ò���˳�������Խ��dz̶ȣ��ﵽ����ʷ���ˮƽ��
It was very trying, right? �ܷ��ˣ��ɣ�
The Mexican facility was shut down before 1988 ī����Ĺ�����1988��֮ǰ�ر��ˣ�
because there was no money coming from the Texas group to support that plant. ��Ϊû�����ԡ��¿���˹���š����ʽ���֧�����������
- He told me, "I'll never have anything to do with Walter and Carina again. -�������ң�������Ҳ������ֶ��غͿ��������κι�ϵ�ˡ�
"She's nice,and she's competent,and I love her, but I can't stand Walter,and he's corrupted her." �����ܺã����ܸɣ��Ұ����������Ҳ��������ֶ��أ��������軵�ˡ���
Mexico shut down.The operation was going to move. ī����Ĺ����ر��ˡ�ҵ��Ҫ����ˡ�
I said, I would prefer that we did this in a country where MDMA is still completely legal ��˵���Ҹ�ϣ����������һ����ҡͷ�衱��Ȼ��ȫ�Ϸ��Ĺ��ң�������£�
for us to be able to do this work openly. ���������Ǿ��ܹ�����������¡�
So that was the dream.That was the goal. ������ҵ����롣��������ǵ�Ŀ�ꡣ
(Latin music) [��������]
So I finally connect with Michael, and he says, ������������ϵ�������˶�����˵��
I've got the perfect location for us to set up. ������һ�������ĵص㣬���ǿ��������ィ����
- All of the corporations I had for business were Panamanian. -�����еĹ�˾���ǰ������ġ�
- He goes, all right, we're going to Panama. -��˵���ðɣ�����ȥ��������
And I just laughed at him.I said, are you joking? ��ֻ�dz�Ц������˵�����ڿ���Ц�ɣ�
Michael invested millions of dollars. ���˶�Ͷ������������Ԫ��
I told him he was crazy. �Ҹ���˵�����Ƿ��ˡ�
He said, don't be closed-minded. ��˵����Ҫ��˼�����ˡ�
Keep an open mind until you meet Werner. �ڼ���ά����֮ǰ�����ֿ��ŵ���̬��
Werner was a very impressive,tall,distinguished, stereotypical Swiss businessma. ά������һ������ӡ����̵ġ��ߴ�ġ��ܳ��ġ����ɵ���ʿ���ˡ�
Werner's wife was Simone. ά���ɵ������������ȡ�
She was a cosmetologist in Panama for an upper-class clientele. ���ǰ�������һ������ʦ��Ϊһλ�������Ŀͻ�����
And it just so happened that the dictator, Manuel Noriega, was one of her clients. ����������Ŭ������ŵ�мӣ�ǡ�������Ŀͻ�֮һ��
Noriega had severe acne scars,and she was treating him for his acne. ŵ�м������ص���̺ۣ������������������
He was eager to try MDMA. ����������ҡͷ�衣
He and Simone went to one of his remote beach houses and took MDMA together. ����������һ��ȥ��ƫƧ�ĺ�����������ʳҡͷ�衣
He curled up in a fetal positin and put his head in her lap and was crying like a baby. ����̥��һ�����һ�ţ���ͷ�����������ϣ������Ӥ����
He was reliving... ��������..
He was reliving his childhood trauma ��������ͯ��Ĵ��ˣ�
and talking about,his nickname growing up was Cara de Pi?a, ��̸�������ɳ������е��dz��ǡ��������¡�Ƥ�ɡ���
which is pineapple face,because of the acne, and he said Ҳ����һ�š�������������Ϊ�����˷۴̣���˵��
that no woman would ever love him with that face. û��Ů�ˣ�����Ϊ����������������������
And he was so impressed by the experience ��ξ���������������̵�ӡ��
that he offered Simone and Werner ���������Ⱥ�ά�����ṩ�ˣ�
the opportunity to set up a manufacturing facility in Panama under his protection. �����ı����£��ڰ��������������칤���Ļ��ᡣ
And then we turn on the news on December 20th of 1989 Ȼ��������1989��12��20�մ����ţ�
and see helicopters attacking Panama. ����ֱ����Ϯ����������
All of a sudden, I get a call one day from Werner. ͻȻ��һ�죬�ҽӵ���ά���ɵĵ绰��
He says, Michael's withdrawn all of his support for Panama ��˵�����˶������˶���������������֧�֣�
and wants to go to Brazil instead. ת����ȥ�����ˡ�
(lively music) [���������]
- Ecstasy was legal in Brazil. -��ҡͷ�衱�ڰ������ǺϷ��ġ�
They didn't even know what it was. ����������֪��������ʲô��
They'd never even heard of it. ����������û��˵����
We bought a pharmaceutical company that was legally making pharmaceutical products �����չ���һ�ҺϷ�����ҩƷ����ҩ��˾��
and started making ecstasy there. ��ʼ������������ҡͷ�衱��
And we needed the whole facility. ������Ҫ������ʩ��
- So we found the old facility. It was completely broken down. -���ԣ������ҵ��˾���ʩ������ȫ���ˡ�
Bom dia. ���Ϻ�
You would have had an easier time trying to buy weapons-grade plutonium at the time than to buy any large quantities of methylamine. �ڵ�ʱ����ȥ�����������У��ȹ�������ļװ���Ҫ���öࡣ
I found a Brazilian chemical directory and found a company in Sao Paulo. ���ҵ���һ��������ѧƷĿ¼����ʥ�����ҵ���һ�ҹ�˾��
I said, I'd like to get 20,000 kilos of the material. ��˵������Ҫ20000�������ֲ��ϡ�
And it was enough to make 10 million doses of MDMA. �����㹻����һǧ�����ҡͷ�衱��
Michael thought that that was great, ���˶�������ܺã�
that we were gonna take it up a notch, ����Ҫ����һ��̨�ף�
because he was still envisioning from 100 kilos to metric ton quantities of MDMA every month. ��Ϊ�����������룬ÿ�´�100���ﵽһ�ֵġ�ҡͷ�衱������
- It was like this beast that had to be fed. -������һͷ����Ҫιʳ��Ұ�ޡ�
Whatever you come up with,the mind can find a better way to do it. �������뵽ʲô�����Զ����ҵ����õķ���ȥ����
And urges you,like you need more,like you need more love, you need more money,you need more health. ���ڴߴ����㣬�����˸��࣬����и���İ��������Ǯ������Ľ�����
That's a low level of consciousness. ����һ�ֵ�ˮƽ����ʶ��
("Smalltown Boy" by Bronski Beat) [����˹�������ֶӵġ�С���к���]
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- The 1990s was a very exciting time to be a DEA agent. ��20����90�������һ���dz������˷ܵ�ʱ�ڡ�
I was looking forward to Mondays and it was a lot of fun. ���ڴ���ÿ����һ�ĵ��������кܶ����Ȥ��
It was just a normal day at the office, ��ֻ�ǰ칫����ƽ����һ�죬
and we were working with a cooperating source, ���Ǻ�һ������������һ������
and this cooperating source was hoping for a reduction in his sentence. �������������ϣ�������ܻ�ü��̡�
And the source asked if we'd ever heard of ecstasy. ���Ǹ����������ǣ��Ƿ���˵����ҡͷ�衱��
I didn't know what it was. �ҵ�ʱ��֪��������ʲô��
We provided an undercover address to send a sample of MDMA. �����ṩ��һ�����ܵ�ַ�����ż���һ��ҡͷ��������
Two or three days later,I checked,and inside the envelope was an ink pen. �������Ժ��Ҽ����һ�£��ŷ��ֻ��һ֧�ֱʡ�
It was MDMA of very good quality. ���������dz��õġ�ҡͷ�衱��
Also during that phone call,this cooperating source indicated ���Ǵ�ͨ���У���λ���������˱�ʾ��
that there was an older gentleman he knew that was sitting on a kilogram of MDMA. ����ʶ��һλ�곤����ʿ��������һ����ҡͷ���ϡ�
He was later identified as Peter Weber. ��������ȷ��Ϊ�˵á�Τ����
Peter Weber flew to Jacksonville, Florida,met with us, �˵á�Τ���ɵ���������ݵĽܿ�ѷά�������ǻ��棬
and we subsequently arrested Weber. ������������������
we get a telephone call from his attorney saying that Mr. Weber would like to fully cooperate with us. ���ǽӵ�����ʦ�ĵ绰��˵Τ������Ը��ȫ��������ǡ�
Apparently, Weber was a clairvoyant. ��Ȼ��Τ���Ǹ�ǧ���ۡ�
So if you're so clairvoyant, �������ô�ж�������
how come you didn't see us busting you in Jacksonville? ��ôû�����������ڽܿ�ѷά��ץ�㣿
And Weber said he had the flu. Τ��˵���������С�
- Sinuses interfere with the signals. -���������źš�
(chuckling) - It's fact. [Ц��] -������ʵ��
Weber told us that Clegg was a former priest, Τ���������ǣ���������ǰ�Ǹ���ʦ��
and that he was the CEO,if you will. �����Ը����ô�ƺ����Ļ���������ϯִ�й١�
He was the big guy of this MDMA organization. ���������ҡͷ�衱MDMA��֯�Ĵ����
And he also identified several other players. ����ָ�����������������ߡ�
He talked about a couple of chemists that worked for the organization. ��̸���˼���Ϊ����֯�����Ļ�ѧ�ҡ�
At some point, Weber's information helped us ��ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�Τ������Ϣ��������
to identify the aircraft and also conduct an electronic surveillance of that aircraft. ʶ�����Ǽܷɻ��������Ǽܷɻ��������˵��Ӽ��ӡ�
(electronic music) [��������]
(beeping) [������]
Weber told me that he had a SkyTel pager,a US-wide pager. Τ�������ң�����һ��SkyTel�Ƶ�Ѱ������һ��ȫ����Χ��Ѱ������
And we thought, hey,that's pretty super cool. �����룬�٣���̫���ˡ�
We'd go meet Weber,take him to a pay phone, ����ȥ��Τ��������ȥ���õ绰��
and we would record calls to Clegg and other individuals. Ȼ��¼���˿�����������˵�ͨ����
Weber's phone calls led to undercover meetings in person, Τ���ĵ绰�ٳ������˵����ܻ��棬
in which Clegg would totally incriminate himself and others. �������ڻ����У�����Լ��������˶������˷�ͥ��
- I need to know if there's anything I need to be worried about. -����Ҫ֪�����Ƿ���ʲô������Ҫ���ĵġ�
- Here? - Yes! -����� -�ǵģ�
I need Ross Peterson. ����Ҫ��˹���˵�ɭ��
- Ross Peterson? -��˹���˵�ɭ��
- Mmm... -��...
- Clegg talked about the organization. -������̸������֯��
They were all incriminated, and Clegg buried himself. ���Ƕ���ָ������������������Լ���
It was an illegal drug. ����һ�ַǷ�ҩ�
They were breaking the law,and they had to be taken down. ���Ǵ����˷��ɣ�������������¡�
(electronic dance music) [��������] ��λ�ڰ�����³÷觵�ʵ���ң�
- Whoa. Slow down. -�ۡ�˵��һЩ����
What? ʲô��
Michael told all of us that, definitively, MDMA was still legal in Brazil. ���˶��������ǣ�ҡͷ��(MDMA)�ڰ��������ǺϷ��ġ�
Trouble is, this was before the internet. �����ǣ������ڻ���������֮ǰ��
Werner has gotten some feedback from attorneys about the status of MDMA in Brazil. ά���ɴ���ʦ����õ���һЩ���ڣ�ҡͷ���ڰ�����״���ķ����� ��ά����.����¶���
In May of 1990, ��1990�����£�
he came back and said,"I have bad news. ������˵�������и�����Ϣ��
This drug is not legal in Brazil." ������ҩ���ڰ������ǷǷ����ˡ��� ������.����ɭ���л���ѧ�ң�
So I said,"I'm not willing to take a risk of doing anything illegal, are you?" And he said, no, no way. ������˵�����Ҳ�Ը��ð����Υ�����£����أ��� ��˵�������������ܡ���
-I'm not going firm until we know the status. -������֪�����֮ǰ�����Dz���ȷ���ġ�
We can ship it to somewhere where it's still legal and finish it there, OK? ���ǿ������˵��Ϸ��ĵط�Ȼ����������ɣ�����
- Hey, we're working on that.We're moving the operation to Africa. -�٣�����������취������Ҫ�ѻ���ת�Ƶ����ޡ�
- Africa? -���ޣ�
James is one of the smugglers, ղķ˹����˽��֮һ��
so he goes to West Africa, ������ȥ�����ǣ�
is introduced to the prime minister, �����ܸ������� ������.����˹��������ͳ��
turns the prime minister and his wife on to MDMA, ���������������ӽӴ�ҡͷ�裬
and just like Noriega, ����ŵ�м�������
they're excited about the idea of psychedelic tourism ���Ƕ��Ի����ε��뷨�е��˷ܣ�
and invite to manufacture MDMA in Ghana under their protection. ���������������ǵı����£��ڼ�������ҡͷ�衣
And now Paulina's pissed ���ڣ������Ⱥ�������
that they haven't got anything to show for all the money that they put in so far, ��Ϊ����Ͷ������ô��Ǯ����ĿǰΪֹ��û���κγɹ���
so they begged and pleaded with me to make some MDMA for them. ���ԣ����ǿ����Ҹ����ǣ���һЩҡͷ�衣
So I wrestled with that for quite a while. ���ԣ��Ҿ����˺ܳ�ʱ�䡣
I decided to go ahead and make some MDMA, �Ҿ�����������һЩҡͷ�裬
which was supposed to help fund the project legally in Western Africa at that point. �Ȿ����Ϊ�ˣ������ǺϷ��أ�Ϊ�����Ŀ�ṩ�ʽ�
It worked better on a lab scale than it did on scale-up. ����ʵ���ҹ�ģ�ϣ����ڹ�ģ��Ч�����á�
There were some problems. ��һЩ���⡣
April of '91, I hear that Paulina was disturbed that things weren't happening faster in Brazil. 91��4�£�����˵�������ȶ����������չ�������е�������
So she needed Michael to go back in to try to make amends with Carina. ���ԣ�����Ҫ���˶���ȥ���������������Ǹ��
1991�ꡣ������
- Michael Clegg came to visit s in Lake Tahoe. -���˶������������������ιۡ�
We opened our home,and I was actually mad and furious at Walt for having done that.��������.��ά��������ѧ�ң� ���Ǵ��˼��ţ��Ҷ��ֶ�����ô������������
Michael Clegg was still in the sales operation of MDMA, ���˶����������ڴ���ҡͷ������۹�����
and we had to kind of protect ourselves. �����DZ��뱣���Լ���
Walt and I had this line that there would be no nexus to the United States. ���غ���˵��������������������κ���ϵ�ˡ�
Well, I'm sorry you made this trip for nothing. �ܱ�Ǹ�����������һ�ˡ�
- Carina. -�����ȡ�
- Good. Listen,the past is in the past. -�ܺá����ţ���ȥ�ģ���������ȥ�ɡ�
I'm ready to move on if you are. �������Ը�⣬��Ҳ������ǰ���ˡ�
If you agree,then you come on board,you do your work, you get paid, you leave. �����ͬ�⣬��ô��ͼ��룬������Ĺ�������õ����꣬����뿪��
- OK. -�ðɡ�
- There's no one who does exactly like what you do. -û���˺������ģ���ȫһ����
- There's a chemist down there. -�DZ��и���ѧ�ҡ�
He's had three years down the line and there's no product. ���Ѿ����������ˣ���û�в�Ʒ��
- Michael told her all these... -���˶�����������Щ...
stories that I couldn't get the product to crystallize, ˵��û���ò�Ʒ�ᾧ��
that I was a burnt-out hippie from the 60s, ˵����60�������Ƥʿ��
all this kind of stuff. �������ġ�
(sighing) - So... [̾Ϣ] -��ô...
what'll it take? Ҫ��ô����
- Michael made the statement, -���˶�������˵�ģ�
if it's $3 million that you want, �������Ҫ300����Ԫ��
then so be it. �Ǿ���ɡ�
That's what I'm gonna offer you to go to Brazil. �������Ҫ�����Ǯ������ȥ������
- I can do three. -�ҿ��������˸�Ǯ��
- I wasn't sure if I was already pregnant at this time, I said, -�Ҳ�ȷ���ҵ�ʱ�Ƿ��Ѿ������ˣ���˵��
I have to make a decision. �ұ�������������
So I decided to go. ���ǣ��Ҿ���ȥ��
It's in Brazil. �����ڰ�����
It's my faint hope that maybe it's legal there. ��ϣ����Ҳ����������ǺϷ��ġ�
(lively music) [���������]
I had, like, a guardian when I went to Brazil. ����ȥ������ʱ������һ����ˡ�
And Michael said,You're going to go with someone. ���˶�˵����Ҫ�ͱ���һ��ȥ��
He would not let Walt travel with me. �������ֶ��غ���һ�����С�
You have to expand the surface area at a higher ratio when crystallizing. �������ᾧ����ʱ��������Ը��ߵı���������������
And I looked at it, and it was almost like in polymer form, you know, like taffy form. �ҿ��������������Ǿۺ������ʽ��������̫���ǵ�������
It wasn't a liquid,and it wasn't a crystal. ������Һ�壬Ҳ���Ǿ��塣
It was somewhere in between. ��������֮�䡣
- She was very hostile. -�����е��⡣
She was putting pressure on me to get all the lab notebooks and production records. ������ʩ��ѹ����Ҫ���õ����е�ʵ��ʼǺ�������¼��
And I couldn't understand why she was so insistent at the time, �Ҳ����ף�����ʱΪʲô��ô��֣�
and I knew that what they wanted to do was push me aside. ��֪�������������ľ��ǣ������Ƶ�һ�ߡ�
Making MDMA isn't the issue. ����ҡͷ�裬�������⡣
After the first night of hostility, I asked her if she wanted to take MDMA. �ڵ�һ���������������֮���������Ƿ���Ҫ����ҡͷ�衣
And immediately, as soon as she started feeling the effects, ��һ��ʼ�о���ҩЧ��
she let her guard down, �����̷����˾��裬
and she wasn't acting like Michael's henchman anymore. �����������˶����ĸ��ˡ�
I was drawing her in to be more on my side. ��������£��������վ������ߡ�
Still wasn't ready to share all my secrets with her, though. ���һ�û���ã����������ҵ����ܡ�
- I said, how do you crystallize? And he was doing a wet crystallization process. -��˵��������ô�ᾧ�ģ�����ȴ������ʪ���ᾧ�IJ��衣
I said, let's do gas. ��˵�����������������塣
So we succeeded, and I did see that the crystals were generated. ���ǣ����dzɹ��ˣ���ȷʵ�������������ˡ�
The Brazilian operation yielded 150 kilograms of MDMA for Michael Clegg. �������ж���Ϊ���˶����������ջ��ˣ�150���ҡͷ�衱��
On the streets, that value is $50 million. �ڽ����ϣ������ֵ��5000����Ԫ��
And illegality is,you know, right here. ���ҷǷ��ԣ���֪�����������
So it's facing all of us, right? ���ԣ������������������˵ģ��ɣ�
- Everything that was made in Brazil ended up in Europe. -�����ڰ�������Ķ��������ն�����ŷ�ޡ�
It had its own momentum from that point on. ����ʱ�����������Լ��Ķ�����
I really wasn't doing that much marketing. �����û������̫����г�Ӫ����
We shipped it over there. We shipped it legally. ���ǰ����˵���������ǵ������ǺϷ��ġ�
You know, we declared it.No problem. ��֪���������Ѿ��걨�ˡ�û�����⡣
I went to a different disco every night. ��ÿ�����ϣ���ȥ��ͬ�ĵ�˹��������
We would bring it in and give it away free. ���ǻ������������������ˡ�
Everybody get high. ��Ҷ��������ˡ�
And then the next day,everybody was saying,where can I get this? Ȼ��ڶ��죬ÿ���˶����ʣ��Ҵ������ܵõ������
That was great.Basically, I traveled around Europe. ������ĺܴ����ϣ��һ�����ŷ�ޡ�
It was the celebrity of the century. �����˱����͵ġ����ˡ���
And everywhere you went, �����㵽���
you were more welcome than God himself. �㶼�ᶼ���ϵۣ����ܻ�ӭ��
- But we need to be vigilant with our supply at least until Brazil is in full operation. -�������ڰ���ȫ��ʵʩ֮ǰ��������Ҫ�����ǵĹ�Ӧ���־��衣
- Millions of dollars flown through it. -��������Ԫͨ���������˳�ȥ��
A playboy's hands is not a good...thing for marriage. һ���������ӵ��֣��Ի�����˵...����һ������
I was not a good husband. �Ҳ��Ǹ����ɷ�
I was too busy promoting ecstasy. ��æ������ҡͷ�衣
It was fun for a while, but again, like everything in life, ��һ��ʱ�䣬����Ȥ�����ǣ����������е���������һ����
it wears off, you know, it... ��������ʧ����֪������...
It's not so much fun later on. ֮��û��ô��Ȥ�ˡ�
- Paulina told me she wanted a divorce because Michael would go through these episodes, -�����ȸ�����������飬��Ϊ���˶��ᾭ����Щʱ�ڣ�
from mania to severe depression, �ӿ��굽����������
where he would drink himself into oblivion. ������Լ��ȵ�����������
He was definitely falling apart. ���϶�Ҫ�����ˡ�
And I'd never seen anybody drink so much, even when he was taking MDMA. �Ҵ���û�������˺���ô�࣬��ʹ���ڷ���ҡͷ���ʱ��
- When I had the most money and the most toys, I was the most unhappy in my whole life. -����ӵ������Ǯ���������ʱ������һ��������ֵ�ʱ��
I wished it would all stop, ��ϣ����һ�ж���ֹͣ��
you know, and just let us...keep what we got and settle down. ������...��ס���ǵIJƲ�������������
I wanted to get off the merry-go-round. �������תľ����������
I just couldn't. It was too big. �Ҿ�������������̫���ˡ�
Please allow this body to relax completely, ���������������ȫ���ɣ�
and please advise us when this has been accomplished. ���뽨�����ǣ���ʱ��ɡ�
- It is. -�������ġ�
- And he thought that they could tap into the spirit world to find out -����Ϊ���ǿ��Խ���������磬���ҳ�
why nothing was working right in the operation. Ϊʲô�����ж�����˳����
- Peter Weber was being paid by the DEA $2,700 a month to point out where everyone is. -�˵á�Τ��ÿ�´Ӽ�������2700��Ԫ����ָ��ÿ���˵�λ�á�
- I found a microcassette tape. -���ҵ���һ�����ͺ�ʽ�Ŵ�¼������
I could hear an individual who I knew to be Peter Weber in some type of trance. ��������һ���˵���������֪�����DZ˵á�Τ���������е��㱡�
And he's very asthmatic,so Weber was very easy to identify. �����������ص�����������Τ�������ױ��ϳ����� (��³˹.��ά��������������̽)
And people were asking him questions, specifically Michael Clegg. ���Ƕ����������⣬���������˶���������
- Give us the name once more, please. -���ٸ�������һ�飬�Ǹ����֡�
- Robert McMillen. -���ء��������
- Specifically, they talked about an individual named Bob McMillen, -������˵������̸����һ�����б�������������ˣ�
who was the number one buyer for Clegg's MDMA in the United States. ���ǿ������ҡͷ�裬��������ͷ����ҡ�
And McMillen had apparently got arrested by DEA somewhere out west and was serving time in prison. ���������Ȼ��������ij���ط����������ִ��������ڼ������̡�
It was obvious that Clegg wanted to know if McMillen was cooperating with authorities. He was worried. �����ԣ���������֪������������Ƿ��뵱�ֺ��������ܵ��ġ�
It was just crazy stuff,but it was totally incriminating. ��Щ�䶼��Щ�����¶�������ȫ����֤��
����ʵ¼����
- Would he also be a danger to us in our financial dealings in Europe? -��Ҳ���������ŷ�Ľ��ڽ��ף�������в��
- Understand you this,in any relationship that is established, -��Ҫ���ף����κ��Ѿ������Ĺ����У�
it is always a relationship that is deserved. ���ֹ���������ֵ�õġ�
��1992�꣬ʥ����������
- I stopped in California. -���ڼ���ͣ��һ�¡�
I was staying out of the State. ����ʱһֱס������ݡ�
I wasn't having anything to do. ����ʱû�б���¿�����
I just had to refuel. ��ֻ��Ҫ�Ӹ��͡�
I flew in. Actually, �ҷɻ����˽�ȥ����ʵ��
I had my little Jack Russell Terrier with me. �Ҵ����ҵģ���С�ܿ����ع���Ȯ��
(police sirens) [���Ѻ�Х]
(dramatic music) [Ϸ���Ե�����]
- DEA! Hands up! -�����𣡾���������
You're under arrest, Clegg. �㱻���ˣ�������
We decided to go ahead and effect arrest of Clegg. ���Ǿ�����ȡ�ж�������������
- They had the whole police force out there. -����ȥ�Ƕ������������о�����
It was quite a shock. �����Һ���
They were doing a victory danc. ���ǵ�������
You know, I'm on the ground with my hands handcuffed behind my back. ��֪���������ڵ��ϣ�˫�ֱ����ڱ���
It's like they got Al Capone or something. ��������ץ�˰���������ʲô�ġ� ��1920-30������������������ĺڰ�ͷĿ������˽���P�������У�
That's why it was such an... incredible fall �����Ϊʲô��������˵�...����˼���
into nothingness. �������ޡ�
- Around the time -��Լ���Ǹ�ʱ��
that he's getting busted is around the time where the FDA opens the door to psychedelic research. ����ץ��ʱ�䣬�����Ǽ�������Ի�ҩ�о����������ŵ�ʱ��
(pop music) [��������] (���ݴ�ѧ��ɼ����У�������о���������ѧ���ڣ����˹.����)
- I get a call -�ҽӵ�һ���绰��
from someone who says, Well,you probably don't know me or don't know who I am,but my name is Rick Doblin. �绰��ͷ˵������ܲ���ʶ�ң����߲�֪������˭���ҽ���ˡ��಼�֡�
He asked if I had any interest in conducting research, clinical research with MDMA. �������Ƿ�����Ȥ�����о�����ҡͷ������ٴ��о���
And I said, absolutely. ��˵����Ȼ���ԡ�
This looks like a fascinating compound. �⿴��������һ�����˵Ļ����
I wrote up the protocol. ��д����Э�顣
This was essentially a phase one study ��������Ǵ���һ������һ�ε��о���
designed to explore safety and physiological and psychological effects in normal volunteers. ּ��̽������������־Ը�ߵģ���ȫ�Ժ������������ϵ�Ӱ�졣
The FDA convened in mid-July 1992. ����������FDA��1992��7����Ѯ���ٿ����顣
They debated my protocol and we were formally approved. �����������ҵķ�����������ʽͨ���ˡ�
- What the hell just happened? -�ղŷ���ʲô���ˣ�
It just felt like... ��ֻ�Ǿ���...
multiple decades of suppression of research had ended. ��ʮ�������о���ѹ�ƣ������ˡ�
When I look back right now, -�������ڻ���������
that was the critical moment in the entire history over the last 50 years of psychedelics. ���ǹ�ȥ50���Ի�ҩ��ʷ�ϵģ��ؼ�ʱ�̡�
- We walked to the remote part of the parking lot. -�����ߵ�ͣ������ƫƧ����
No one could see us there. ���Ƕ�û���ܿ������ǡ�
And Rick took out a joint,and we had a celebratory smoke. ����ó��˴����̣����dz���һ֧����ʾ��ף��
(upbeat music) [���ֵ�����]
- Good work, Doc. -�ɵ�Ư������ʿ��
- Great work, Dob. -�����������
- They wanted a life sentence -����������һ�����������
for that, life without parole. Ϊ�ˣ������ü��͡�
- And I told them, I said, well,I won't fight this in court. -�Ҹ������ǣ���˵���ðɣ��Ҳ����ڷ�ͥ�Ͽ���ġ�
I'll cooperate with you if you give her a pass. ������ǷŹ������Ҿ����Ǻ�����
They went after her in a big way. They called her the Queen Bee. ���Ƕ��������ᡣ���dz���Ϊ����������
- It's their opportunityto tell us everything. -������̹��һ�У������ǵĻ��ᡣ
It'll probably take you a while, so get started on your list of associates. �����Ҫ����ʱ�䣬���ԣ���ʼ�г�������������ɡ�
- I gave away all the assets, too,and got my wife free,free and clear. -��Ҳ���������еIJƲ������ҵ����������ˣ����ɶ���ס�
When they found out the whole story, ������֪���������ȫ��������
they couldn't touch her. ���ǾͲ��������ˡ�
(sorrowful music) [���˵�����]
(police sirens) [���Ѻ�Х]
(sobbing) [����]
- I was appalled that he didn't spare me, -�Һ�����û�зŹ��ң�
and that I was the one that kind of gave him success. �����ң����������ˡ����֡��ɹ���
I was really disappointed in that. ����ĶԴˣ���ʧ����
Michael Clegg gave me up to spare Paulina. ���˶���������Ϊ�˱����ȣ��������ҡ�
When I got arrested,Pauline went to Rick for help. �ұ�������ȥ����˰�æ��
And they put up an incredible legal defense. ��������ˣ������������ŵģ����ɱ绤��
I didn't have that much to do with his defense. �Ҹ����ı绤��û����ϵ��
But by this point in time,we were trying to make everything that we did research public. �������ʱ��������ͼ�����������������о������������ڡ�
I thought it just was another tragedy, in a way, ��ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�����Ϊ��ֻ����һ�����磬
because the way I viewed it is,a lot of people are benefiting ��Ϊ���ҿ����������˴��������ˣ�
from having access to ecstasy. �������֡���ϲ���л����ˡ�
There is irony that Michael's donation of the MDMA created the resources ���з�����ζ���ǣ������Ǵ����˶�����84�����츽����ҡͷ�裬
to do an initial safety study in the summer of '84. Ϊ������еİ�ȫ���о����ṩ����Դ��
Then, starting in '92,we were able to do this dose response safety study. Ȼ��1992�꿪ʼ�������ܹ�����������ġ���Ӧ��ȫ�ԡ��о���
- Dr. Grob, we have an issue. -������ʿ�����dz���״���ˡ�
- She said, Dr. Grob, I have a problem. -��˵������ҽ�������и����⡣
I said, well, what's that? She says, my nurses are spending too much time with your subjects. ��˵������ʲô����˵���ҵĻ�ʿ��������о��������ϣ�����̫��ʱ�䡣
So evidently, my subjects were keenly interested in the life histories of their nurses. ��Ȼ���ҵ��о������ǶԸ�����ʿ������ʷ�����dz�����Ȥ��
So these subjects were, you know, ���ԣ���Щ�о�������֪����
were very empathic, ���ֳ��dz��ġ�ͬ���ķ�Ӧ����
which is one of the salient features of MDMA. ����MDMA����������֮һ��
- What was helpful to Michael -�����˶��������ǣ�
was the early study that we did and also the way in which we had started challenging the neurotoxicity ���������������о����Լ����ǿ�ʼ��ս���Եķ�ʽ��
and also all these stories of people that had incredible therapeutic benefits. �Լ�������Щ�о�����İ��������������������ŵ�����Ч����
When we think of the number of veterans that have committed suicide, the number of people that have committed suicide from PTSD, �������뵽��ɱ������������������˺�Ӧ���ϰ�����ɱ��������
the number of people suffering, ��Щ����ʹ���������
there's just an enormous amount of suffering that could have been avoided ����ô����ʹ����ˣ����DZ����Եõ����⣬
if the DEA had never criminalized MDMA. �����������û�н����Ǽ�˫����������MDMA����Ϊ����ҩ�
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(unsettling music) [���˲���������]
- They picked the worst, most violent prison in the whole system, which was Terminal Island in Long Beach. -����ѡ��������˾��ϵͳ�У�����⣬����ļ�����λ�ڳ�̲���ն˵���
That's where they sentenced me to do my five years. �Ҿ�������������������ġ�
I was fearing for my life every minute I was in there. I mean, it was violent. ���������ÿһ���ӣ����ڵ����ҵ�������ȫ������˵������ܱ�����
Stepping over bodies occasionally, you know. ż����Ҫ���ʬ�壬����õ���
- Incarceration was one of the toughest things I've ever faced in my entire life. -��μ��������һ���������ٵģ�����ѵ�����֮һ��
So I essentially raised my spirituality to survive. ���ԣ��һ�����������ҵľ������ԣ��ŵ������������� ��������ͷ�����Ʒ������6������
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- I do my time in the state prison in Mule Creek. -����λ���¶�Ϫ�������������̡�
So I thought I was free. ���ԣ��һ���Ϊ���������ˡ�
They sent me to Jacksonville. �����ְ����͵��˽ܿ�ѷά����
And lo and behold, there was Michael. �ӳ��˼���ڣ�����Ϊ���˶���
I got a call from the prosecutr in Jacksonville, and he said, �ܿ�ѷά�����ٴ������ң���˵��
Here's what Michael said. ������һ�ݣ����˶��Ĺ��ʡ�
And I couldn't believe it. �Ҽ�ֱ�������š�
I was just stunned, you know? I was stunned. �Ҽ�ֱ�����ˣ���֪�����Ҿ����ˡ�
Michael,we haven't worked together for years. ���˶������Ǻü���û�����ˡ�
Don't be sorry.You tell them we don't work together anymore. �����ҵ�Ǹ����ȥ�������ǣ����Dz��ٺ����ˡ�
He just bowed his head. ��ֻ�ǵ�����ͷ��
- I'm sorry, Bob. -�Һܱ�Ǹ��������
- And I realized he was trying to set me up. -����ʶ��������Ҫ�ݺ��ҡ�
He was trying to get his get out of jail card. �������õ������ij���֤����
Before I left,I had a day with him. �����뿪֮ǰ���Һ�������һ�졣
And... ����...
you know, I had lots of feelings going on. ��֪�������кܶ���顣
I feel sorry for you. ��Ϊ��е��ѹ��� ��������������ҡͷ�裬�����4�꣩
You know, it's a shame that...that he's putting all these good people away. �㿴������ô��...������Щ���ˣ����ͽ��˼�����
But you don't know who I'm talking to and what they've told us. ���㲻֪�������ڸ�˭˵����Ҳ��֪�������Ǹ���������ʲô��
And we're gonna find out if you're lying. It's gonna come out,and it's gonna hurt you. ���ǻ���������Dz��������ѡ�����ˮ��ʯ���ģ������˺�����ġ�
Clegg did what he was supposed to do.That is, fully cooperate. �����������������ġ�Ҳ����˵��ȫ�������
And there is no in-between cooperation. You either do it or you don't. û�С���̤��ֻ�����ĺ�����Ҫô����Ҫô������
- It got so bad that I was trying to get the orderlies to bring me the cord, -�����ã��Ƶ�����ͼ�ÿ��أ���������һ�����ߣ�
the extension cord for the vacuum cleaner, because I was going to hang myself. ������������ӳ��ߣ���Ϊ��Ҫ�ϵ���ɱ�ˡ�
That's how bad it was. ���������ô�㡣
(����������۶�Ʒ������5����)
Bright light in that whole prison was a Muslim curator there on the chapel. ���������ġ�һ˿����������һ����˹�ֹ���Ա�ڽ����
He gave me permission to go in there anytime I wante, �������ң���ʱȥ������С�ڤ�롱��
which is strictly against the rules, and meditate. �����ϸ�Υ���涨�ġ�
There is no awakening without crisis. û��Σ������û�о��ѡ�
There just isn't,because you have to get shocked into a space where you know nothing, �����еģ���Ϊ����뱻��һ������ʲô����֪���Ŀռ䣬
where you know that everything you've ever been taught or learned is not true. �������֪�������������̵���ѧ����һ�У���������ʵ�ġ�
And then you start over. Ȼ��������¿�ʼ��
(inspiring music) [����������]
It just broke through. ��ͻȻ�����ˡ�
It was like a light shone on me. ����һ���⣬���������ϡ�
It's like taking ecstasy times a thousand. �о��������һǧ�ε�ҡͷ�衣
I was so ecstatic,I was non-functional,definitely non-functional. ��̫�˷��ˣ��ҵ�ʱĪ�����������Ī�����
It was ironic that I found what I was looking for ���з�����ζ���ǣ�����һ�������������
in the depths of a violent prison. �ҵ��ˣ���һֱ��Ѱ�ҵĶ�����
And I had been searching for so long for that reality that when it came,I recognized it. ��һֱ��Ѱ�������ʵ����������ʱ�����ϳ�������
You can't get that idea, that knowingness, through study or books. ����ͨ��ѧϰ���鱾����������뷨��������֪��
It has to be an experience of the source. �������Ƕԡ�Դͷ�������顣
This pure, infinite energy that has created this whole, beautiful existence that we see. ���ִ���ģ��������������ˣ�������������������壬�����Ĵ��ڡ�
Ecstasy brought me to a point of despair at the lowest levels. ��ҡͷ�衱���Ҵ����˾�������ײ㡣
And then from there,it was an ecstasy that took me the rest of the way. �����Ժ��Ҿͱ�һ�֡���ϲ�����ţ�����ʣ�µ�·��
I wrote the first book in prison, From Onions to Pearls, and I wrote it in five days. ���ڼ�����д�˵�һ���飬������е����顷����ֻ���������д���ˡ�
You don't need a guru to teach you. �㲻��Ҫ��ʦ�����㡣
Enlightenment comes from within. �������������ĵġ�
When I wrote the first book, I used my spiritual name because Michael was gone. ����д��һ�����ʱ���������ҵġ�����������Ϊ�����˶����Ѿ������ˡ�
There's no more Michael. Can't even relate to Michael. ��Ҳû�С����˶����ˡ����������ܺ͡����˶�������������
But I could relate to Satyam Nadeen. ���������뵽�ˣ�������ɶ���
Osho picked out the name,and it means "river of truth" in Sanskrit. ����ѡ��������֣����������е���˼�ǡ�����֮�ӡ���
- Join me in welcoming Satyam Nadeen. -����һ��ӭ��������ɶ���
(laughing) [��]
Is this namaste? ���ǡ���ʮ����
- That's what it is. -����������
- Better tell our viewers what that means. -��ø������ǵĹ��ڣ�����ʲô��˼��
- That means the divine in me -����ζ�ţ������ڵ����ԣ�
recognizes the divine in you, ��ʶ���ˣ�������ԣ�
meaning we're both from the same energy. Ҳ����˵����������ͬһ������
- Yes. -�ǵġ�
("Spirit in the Sky" by Norman Greenbaum) [ŵ�������ֱ�ķ�ġ����֮�顷]
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- The renaissance of people coming to Satsang all over the world... -���˵ĸ��ˡ��������������չ�˲���...
Europe is insane. ŷ������ˡ�
They're just so hungry for consciousness,it's unbelievable. ����̫������ʶ�ˣ���̫����˼���ˡ�
I would give talks here at the Rainbow Spirit Festival, there'd be like 3,000,4,000 people coming. �һ��ڲʺ羫����Ϸ����ݽ�����Ż���3000��4000������
Just couldn't get enough of it. ֻ���µ�ʱ���˲�ֹ��Щ��
(crowd cheering) [��Ⱥ�Ļ���]
- At the end of 2021, -��2021��ף�
the journal Science said our paper in nature medicine was one of the top 10 scientific breakthroughs of the whole world. ����ѧ����־˵�������ڡ���Ȼҽѧ���Ϸ��������ģ���ȫ����ʮ���ѧͻ��֮һ��
In 2023, in September, is when we published the resuls of the second phase 3 study. 2023��9�£����ǹ����ˣ��ڶ��ε������о��Ľ����
Both of these tremendously successful. ���߶��dz��ɹ���
(ֻ��ʧ����������ʹ���߶���)
So I think in the end, we will have spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 million. ��������Ϊ���������ǽ����Ѵ�Լ3����Ԫ��
Not just to get the drug approved, ����Ҫ������ҩ��������
but to build this commercialization company, ��Ҫ���������ҵ���Ĺ�˾��
which will be working with thousands of therapists. ��������ǧ������ʦ������
What's going on here is a complete innovation of combining psychotherapy with pharmacotherapy. ����һ�������������ҩ���������ϵĴ��¡�
I've consistently been wrong on how much it costs and how long it will take. ��һֱ����ع��������ijɱ�������Ҫ�ʱ�䡣
So, you know, I had a 5-year plan for 15 years. ���ԣ���֪����������һ��15�������ƻ���
I've got a 10-year plan for 20 years. ���Ѿ�����һ��20���10��ƻ���
But I did feel over time that there was ����ȷʵ�о���������ʱ������ƣ�
little bits of progress here and there that were enough to sustain me. ����������һ������������֧���ҡ�
- I think nothing comes close to the potential that psychedelics carry. -����Ϊ��û��ʲô�ܽӽ��Ի�ҩ��DZ����
I think they're remarkable medicines, ����Ϊ�����ǷǷ���ҩ�
and I think it allows psychiatry to reclaim its old identity, ����Ϊ���þ���ѧ�����һ�����ԭ�������ݣ�
which was to be healers of the soul. �Ǿ������������ߡ�
- What I hope for in the future is a spiritualized humanity and mass mental health. -��ϣ������δ����һ���������࣬�ʹ��ڵ�����������
Those are our two end goals. �������ǵ���������Ŀ�ꡣ
- It's about time that MDMA became legal for medical uses. -���Ǽ�˫��������(MDMA)��ʱ�Ϸ�����ҽ����;�ˡ�
It allows you to look at the problems that you had and deal with it. ���������㿴���������������⣬���������
I handled my prison experience �Ҹ��õأ��������ҵķ������£�
much better because I had a good headspace about it. ��Ϊ���Ҷ�����һ�����õ�ͷ�Կռ䡣
I have no hard feelings for anybody. �Ҷ��κ��ˣ���û�ж�С�
- MDMA is taking its second turn and humanity's consciousness is being raised. - MDMA���ڽ��еڶ���ת���������ʶ������ߡ�
We have the opportunity to save and move millions of lives. �����л������Ⱥ�ת���������˵�������
I am grateful to be part of that... �Һܸм��ܳ�Ϊ�����е�һ���֣�����...
uplift. ��ܡ�
The therapists never gave up. ����ʦ��δ������
And MDMA's legality or approach to legality right now is somewhat exonerating, ����MDMA�ĺϷ��Ի�ӽ��Ϸ��Եķ�ʽ����ij�̶ֳ��ϣ�������ģ�
that everything I did was worthwhile. ��������һ�У�����ֵ�õġ�
And I just want them to remember that first time ��ֻ�������Ǽ�ס�Ǹ�����һ�Ρ���
and... ����...
whose hands brought it to them. ��˭���ִ������ǵġ�
- When you're totally enlightened, -������ȫ����ʱ��
the only difference in your life is that you say yes to every moment that's happening. ��������Ψһ�IJ�ͬ��������Է�����ÿһ�̣���˵���ǡ���
Not, how can I change this? How can I make it better? ���ǣ�������ô�ܸı���һ�У�����������������ø��ã���
How can I have more spirituality or anything. ������ô���и�������ԣ�����ʲô�ġ�
You're perfect just the way you are. �㱾�����������ġ�
You don't realize how much fear you have about everything. ����ʶ���������ÿ���£��ж�η�塣
And when your heart just opens,all you feel is who you are. ������ij���ʱ���������ܵ��ľ������Լ���
Who are you? You're pure love.That's your essence. ����˭������Ǵ���İ����������ı��ʡ�
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