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- Tonight on "The
Proof Is Out There."
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A newly released military video
captures a bizarre collision
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with an unknown object.
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- I have never seen a hellfire
missile hit a solid object
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and bounce off.
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Never.
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- [Tony] Could this strange
skull be of otherworldly origin?
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- They posited that
this could be evidence
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of a human alien hybrid.
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- [Tony] Is this the most
convincing Bigfoot video
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ever recorded?
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- The real showstopper
of this video is
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the creature's
apparent strength.
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- [Tony] Is this photo evidence
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the infamous Amityville
house was really haunted?
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- There is something horrifying
that has manifested there.
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- [Tony] And could thousands
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of people really be
sharing the same dream
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of a mysterious mall?
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- Some people wonder
whether they are subjects
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of some kind of a mass
psychological experiment.
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[dramatic music]
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- [Tony] Around the
globe are videos....
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- [Witness] Oh, there he goes.
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- [Tony] Photos,
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and sounds that
defy explanation.
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[static squealing]
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- [Expert] We don't know
where they come from,
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who made them, or
how they operate.
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- [Tony] What are they?
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- [Expert] Some sort
of bizarre mutation.
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- [Expert] What's exciting
is nobody really knows.
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- Extraordinary claims
need extraordinary proof.
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- I'm Tony Harris,
and as a journalist
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for more than 30 years,
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I've followed the facts
where they take me.
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Now, I'm bringing that
spirit of investigation
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to the world's strangest
sounds and images.
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- [Witness] It's
coming towards us.
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- [Tony] We'll analyze
each one with top experts.
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- It's a credible case,
it's a credible video.
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- [Tony] And pass a
verdict on what it is.
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- This video was clearly faked.
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- The proof starts now.
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[dramatic music]
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Good evening, everyone,
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and welcome to "The
Proof Is Out There."
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From an active war zone,
to Capitol hearing halls,
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to headlines around the
world, the video we're about
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to show you has gone on
a head-spinning journey,
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stunning spectators
at every turn.
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Now, we're taking a look.
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Washington D.C.,
September 9th, 2025.
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The House Oversight
Committee's Task Force
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on the declassification of
federal secrets is holding
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a special hearing.
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- Good morning, and welcome
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to the hearing regarding
UAP disclosures.
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- [Tony] A panel of
UAP witnesses testifies
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to the Task Force,
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but perhaps the greatest
revelation comes
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from one congressman.
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- Representative, Eric
Burlison, from Missouri provided
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this video from a
top secret source.
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- [Tony] The infrared
video takes us to Yemen
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in October, 2024.
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It's shot from an
MQ-9 Reaper Drone
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as it tracks a white,
orb-like object,
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zipping over open water.
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- This object in the middle
doesn't have any obvious signs
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of propulsion.
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There is no heat signature.
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So we don't know, really,
what we're looking at.
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- [Tony] The object
is considered
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enough of a threat
that moments later,
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another MQ-9 launches a
hellfire missile at it.
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And that's when this thing
goes from unidentified
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to truly astonishing.
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- What happens is
the unexpected.
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The missile doesn't blow up
and the object doesn't blow up.
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[film rewinding]
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- [Tony] The missile seems to
just bounce off the object,
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whatever it is.
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- [Luis] What you see is
a scattering of parts,
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what looks like some
sort of ejectile.
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It'll deviate from
its course slightly,
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but then, it keeps on going.
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- [Tony] The video
quickly makes headlines,
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and investigators dig into it.
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- During the time this
video was recorded,
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we were conducting
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a lot of operations
around Yemen.
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It's a very hot area,
operationally speaking.
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- [Tony] In fact, Yemen's
Iran-backed Houthis took credit
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for a drone attack on
Israel just one day
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before this video was taken.
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For some, that means this
must be a Houthi drone,
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sideswiped by a
hellfire missile.
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But for others, it's
not nearly that simple.
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- Hellfire missiles
are precision-guided,
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air-to-ground weapons.
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They are used to strike
high value targets,
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such as armored
vehicles, bunkers,
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and personnel.
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[missile exploding]
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- I have never, in my
professional experience,
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ever seen a hellfire
missile hit a solid object
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and bounce off, never.
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- [Tony] That's why
many remain convinced
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that this video is
proof of an alien craft,
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immune to our weaponry.
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- [Luis] I suspect
Representative Burlison
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released this video because he
wanted to show, yet again,
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here's an example of the
U.S. government not knowing
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what the heck's in our skies.
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- The Pentagon had no comment
on the case out of Yemen,
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but on Capitol Hill,
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the so-called hellfire
UFO made plenty of waves.
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The panel of UAP
witnesses largely agreed
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that what they saw in
the video scared them.
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So should the rest
of us be worried too?
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[suspenseful music]
[computer whirring]
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We begin with the
object's strange shape.
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- It appears to be
just a white blob.
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So we can't see
any evident wings
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that would be consistent
with a drone or a aircraft.
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- [Tony] Then, there's the
object's speed to consider.
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- [Tim] When we see
the actual missile
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that engages this object,
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the missile that's targeting
it is notably traveling faster.
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And so, I get the
impression that
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what I'm seeing
here is slow moving.
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So that leads me to believe
that it's not a missile.
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- [Tony] So, could
it really be a UFO?
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- It could be a UFO
from the standpoint,
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the fact that you
don't know what it is.
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But we've fired at these
objects in the past,
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and they are able to shoot
off at incredible speeds
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and avoid anything that
we would fire at them.
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So the fact that this
was a hit rules out,
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to me, in my mind, the UFO.
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- [Tim] Obviously, it was
presented by lawmakers
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as a UFO that was
unaffected by a missile,
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but you can also have instances
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where the target itself
is a soft target.
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So it's not triggering
the fuse mechanism
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of the anti-missile system.
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So let's say a lighter
than air, a balloon.
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If you shoot a missile at a
balloon, the potential exists
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that it doesn't cause that
incoming missile to go off
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and destroy the balloon.
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It's too soft, it
deflects off of it.
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- [Rich] Since we know that
even the Chinese were launching
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these kind of balloons
over the United States,
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it's conceivable that
this could have been
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a Chinese spy balloon.
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- [Tony] And remember,
reconnaissance balloons,
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like the Chinese spy balloon,
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carry their surveillance tech
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in a payload that hangs below.
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- [Rich] So this
hellfire missile
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would have been trying
to target the balloon.
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Instead of hitting
the balloon, per se,
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it hit the payload below,
and that's the parts
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and pieces that
are breaking off.
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It kind of like deforms a
little bit, changes shape,
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but it stays afloat,
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because the actual balloon
was not hit by the missile.
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[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clacking]
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- We're calling this
one a mystery balloon,
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because we don't know
who sent it flying
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over Yemen or why.
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We could only hope the
military gets that info
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before our enemies finish
gathering their info.
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Now, let's switch from
balloons to the bard,
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to believe or not to believe.
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That is the question.
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You know when it
comes to skulls,
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it's easy to identify what's
human and what's not, right?
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Ah, but the one you're
about to see might be proof
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of a human-alien hybrid.
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This story goes
back to the 1930s.
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We're in Chihuahua, Mexico,
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and an American
teenager on vacation
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comes across an abandoned mine.
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Inside is a shallow grave,
hiding a buried secret
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and a mystery that's
centuries old.
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- The story that I got goes
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that she saw, laying on the
ground, a complete skeleton.
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And then, she noticed
outside of the ground,
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there was another
hand coming out,
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and the hand looked deformed.
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And it was intertwined
with this skull.
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So she dug that up
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and noticed it was a very
small, misshapen skeleton.
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And the misshapen
skull became known
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as the Starchild Skull.
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- [Tony] The so-called
Starchild Skull appears
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to be made of strong,
but thin bone,
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with a bulbus
cranium, a flat top,
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and smooth, shallow eye sockets
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that almost make a heart shape.
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Compare it to a human skull,
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and well, there's
almost no comparison.
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- [Aaron] Clearly, this doesn't
look like a regular skull.
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The eye sockets are very
oval, they're shallow,
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and the optic nerve
canal is positioned lower
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than it would be
on a normal skull.
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- [Tony] Eventually,
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the skull comes
into the possession
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of former neonatal
nurse, Melanie Young.
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She finds it so
compelling and so odd
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that she shares it with
researchers in the UFO world.
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- That's what I imagine
the eye socket of one
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of those gray
aliens to look like.
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- [Tony] The specialists
radiocarbon date the bones
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back to the 12th century.
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- What they found is that there
was this strange, reddish hue
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that they couldn't identify.
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And they posited that
this could be evidence
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of a human-alien hybrid.
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And indeed, the skull
was discovered alongside
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a skull of an
adult human female,
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leading that
researcher to suggest
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that this could have
been the human mother
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of the Starchild.
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- Initial DNA results
on the skull showed
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that 265 base pairs were human,
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but 342 were of unknown origin,
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not belonging to any
species found on Earth.
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Could the Starchild's
father be an alien?
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[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
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Our experts have numerous
anomalies to unpack here.
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First, this skull's
dense, reddish appearance.
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- We know this skull
is about 900 years old
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and it was buried in the dirt.
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Lithification allows
other chemicals,
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organics that are in the soil
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to absorb into the
porous cranium.
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And so, even though
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the chemical analysis that
was done on this skull
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might suggest it's alien,
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I think it's just
being thrown off
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because of the processes
in which it was found.
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- [Tony] Okay, but what about
those initial DNA results
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that showed something
not of this world?
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- This thing is 900 years old.
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DNA is gonna degrade over
time, so it's very plausible
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that the segments that
they couldn't match were
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just degraded DNA that
couldn't really be read well.
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Multiple repetitive
DNA testing was done
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on the Starchild DNA
and testing did reveal
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that this DNA was 100% human.
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- [Tony] Yet, we
still have to account
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for the most striking
anomaly of all,
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the skull's strange shape.
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Turns out there may be a sad,
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but earthly explanation.
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- [Lisa] To me, this looks like
it could be hydrocephalus.
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Hydrocephalus is when you make
too much cerebral spinal fluid,
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which is the fluid in
the center of the brain.
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And the skull of an
infant is very malleable.
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Any kind of internal pressure
is gonna push outward
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and change the
shape of the skull.
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- [Tony] Melanie has
since donated the skull,
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now identified as belonging
to a five or six-year-old boy,
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to a Mexican archeology museum.
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- I wanted to find
out, was it human
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and what was wrong with it?
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And I did.
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And I wanted to take
it back to its people
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and put it back to bed.
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[pensive music]
[keyboard clacking]
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- Our verdict, the
Starchild was indeed a human
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who likely fell victim
to an ancient case
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of hydrocephalus.
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Fortunately, there are now
treatments that allow children
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with this condition to
lead fairly normal lives.
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- This next classic
UFO encounter
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dates back to the 1930s,
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and it is still
sparking debate today.
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It's part of a curious pattern,
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sightings of strange craft
around Christmas time.
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That's right.
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For some, the holiday season
means mistletoes and UFOs.
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It's winter of 1937
in Vancouver, Canada,
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and 21-year-old
Leonard Lamoureux
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is on leave from the Army.
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- He's actually with
his brother, Wilfred,
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and they're going down to City
Hall in downtown Vancouver
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and they're going down to City
Hall in downtown Vancouver
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to see the Christmas lights.
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- [Tony] Leonard sets
his camera up on a tripod
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to capture the holiday spirit.
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And that's when it happens.
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- All of a sudden, he
looks up in the sky
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and he sees this
strange sort of object
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hovering above City Hall,
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and he snaps this famous
Canadian UFO photo.
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- [Tony] It's a
bright oval object,
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wrapped in a strange glow,
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and it appears to
be moving fast.
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- We can even see sort of
pixelation that we see kind
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of follow it, almost like a
contrail towards the back.
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Sadly, Leonard
passed away in 1992,
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but he did pass the story
on to his daughter, Deborah.
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According to Deborah,
Leonard explained
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that he had never
seen anything fly
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so fast before.
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- [Tony] He also told her
the object flew horizontally,
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then stopped.
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That's when he
snapped the photo.
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Finally, it shot
up into the sky.
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- We have to
remember, it's 1937,
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so any aircraft that exists
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during this time would
not resemble this at all.
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- [Tony] That said,
primitive rockets did exist.
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- [MJ] On March 16th, 1926,
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Robert Goddard launched
the first rocket ever,
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this, basically, tube filled
with fuel up into the air.
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- [Tony] So it could
be an early rocket
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or an early UFO.
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- It's not until
really the 1950s
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that the word UFO is even
used in popular culture.
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So this is this
classic UFO photo
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before UFOs were UFOs.
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- [Tony] You might say the
first Christmas UFO was the star
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of Bethlehem, which led the way
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to Jesus's birthplace
in the Book of Matthew.
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Some believe that star
may have been a supernova,
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but how about this
Christmas anomaly?
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[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
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Because of its shape,
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we start by considering an
astronomical explanation.
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Could this be a meteor?
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- A meteor would be much smaller
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than what you'd see
on this right here.
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It'd be a blur,
basically, in a camera,
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especially the camera
back at this time period.
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It would be probably just a
streak if it were there at all.
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- [Tony] What about an
early rocket launch?
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- [Rich] It looks like it's
got a front-leading edge
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of something around it,
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and then, it looks
like that there's also
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some sort of a trail.
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- [Tony] That more closely
resembles a modern rocket,
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not the primitive
rockets of the time.
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Since this is an old photo,
could this just be an artifact
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of the camera or
film processing?
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- There is apparent
degradation to the image
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and a lot of bright spots.
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So either it was
photographed that way
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or the object was
influencing that environment
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in an overexposed,
or too bright method
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that was overwhelming
the film camera
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when it was capturing
that information.
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- [Tony] That might
be an important hint,
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because in 1937, a
nighttime photograph
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would have required
a longer exposure.
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That means the camera
shutter is open longer
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to allow more light
to hit the film.
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So this overexposed nighttime
photo must be a long exposure,
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and that reveals
something to us.
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- [Michael] Typically
with longer exposure,
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if objects are moving
throughout that scene,
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there are blurring
artifacts that are created.
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You typically see that
with long exposure
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of like traffic with lighting.
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So you see like the
headlights are all smeared
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as it drives through the
environment that it's in.
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- [Tony] Remember,
Leonard told Deborah
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the object flew
horizontally and stopped.
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- So because this object
is so clearly depicted,
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it would have to have been
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in that position for a
longer period of time.
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- [Tony] So the photo matches
his description of the event.
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- The eyewitness very well
could have experienced this
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in reality and captured it,
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but without additional
information, no one can say
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with a high degree of certainty.
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- [Rich] I'm gonna say
that if you want to call
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that an unidentified flying
object, you'd be right
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to be able to say
something like that,
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to be able to say
something like that,
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because it's unusual looking,
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and it's unusual shape.
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But does it actually
prove that it is a UFO?
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[keyboard clicking]
[static hissing]
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- Our verdict? Unexplained.
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While we are not ready to
call this a genuine UFO,
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we can't ignore the fact that
the eyewitness testimony,
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even if secondhand, is
consistent with the photo.
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Here's hoping that
further evidence
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will one day present itself.
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And if extraterrestrials
do celebrate,
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we wish them a merry Christmas?
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- Depending on which
Bigfoot researcher you ask,
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the legendary beast
could be up to 20
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or 30 times stronger
than the average person.
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Keep that in mind as we
investigate this next case.
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It allegedly begins in the wilds
of the Canadian Rockies
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in Alberta, where hunters find
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what they think is a primitive
shelter near their campsite.
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But on closer inspection,
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it seems more like a nest.
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- What really caught their
attention were bones
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associated with this location.
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The bones belong to
a variety of animals,
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but also, mixed in
with these other bones,
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apparently, were human bones.
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- [Tony] As the story goes,
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they report the nest
to law enforcement,
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who investigate the scene,
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presumably collect
the bones, and leave,
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putting up police tape.
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The hunters come back,
apparently, sometime later,
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setting up a trail camera,
and then, capturing this.
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Look behind the police tape
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at what appears to
be a dark figure
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among the foliage,
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one that's about to
make itself known.
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- The real showstopper
of this video though
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is the creature's
apparent strength.
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- [Tony] Whatever it
is starts aggressively
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tossing around trees.
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No small feet, and keep in
mind, the ground is wet.
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- Wood, particularly damp
wood, is quite heavy.
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But this figure seems to lift
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and fling these trees
like they're toothpicks.
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[tree thudding]
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- [Tony] The video is posted
online in November of 2023,
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and of course, it goes viral.
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The hunters remain anonymous,
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but whoever they
are, some believe
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they captured video of
the mighty Sasquatch.
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- People seem to be
impressed by how it lines up
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with the typical
Sasquatch description,
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totally covered in hair,
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dark in color, pretty
wide and thick.
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Perhaps that's musculature.
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- [Tony] Sasquatch
sightings date back
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at least 300 years
in North America.
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And while most describe
a shy creature,
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some mention these kinds
of hostile displays.
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- In some cases, there
seems to be some aggression,
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like a Sasquatch
chasing after a person,
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throwing rocks or
breaking large trees
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as some sort of
show of strength.
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00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,903
There's something there
that they don't want you
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to have access to.
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The only other naturally
occurring animal
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that this figure here could be
confused for is a black bear.
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But black bears don't
really pick things up
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in their front paws
and throw them about.
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- [Tony] Bears also
don't build nests
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like the one described
in this story,
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but Bigfoot might.
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This 2001 video, captured
in the Marble Mountains,
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claims to show an
actual Bigfoot nest.
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And according to researchers,
this is common practice
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for the creature, as it
is for most great apes.
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So what do our experts think?
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[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
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- If this were a crime scene,
it would be heavily monitored,
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especially for
something as serious
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as having human
remains discovered.
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And it doesn't look like
we're seeing that here.
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It looks like an
abandoned, taped off area,
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which is something
that anybody could do.
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- [Tony] Even stranger,
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there's no official
record of the crime.
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And there are inconsistencies
with the footage.
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- [Stephanie] The thing
that's making me think
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that it's not caught on
a trail camera is just
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that it's missing the
date and timestamp.
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But something that is
really suspicious is
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the video editing.
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Not only do you not see the
Bigfoot enter the footage,
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but also, when it's
moving the branches,
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there's some clear video edits.
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- [Tony] In addition,
our experts agree
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that the Bigfoot's behavior
here seems peculiar.
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Remember, it's supposedly
trail cam footage.
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No humans are present.
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- Generally, when an
animal behaves this way,
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there's an intention behind it,
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but it doesn't kind of follow
through with its display,
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which could be
construed as aggressive,
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but it doesn't seem to
be reacting to anything.
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- Although these trees are
tall, they're really thin,
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and it looks like they're dead.
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Even if these trees weren't
dead, it is not improbable
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for a human to be able to
lift something of this weight.
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In fact, there are the
Scottish Highland games
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where both men and women compete
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to lift large planks of
tree wood called cabers,
497
00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:09,620
and they flip them vertically.
498
00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:13,457
So something like this is
not superhuman strength.
499
00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:15,876
- [Tony] But the deciding
factor comes courtesy
500
00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:19,129
of this being 4K footage.
501
00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:20,673
We zoomed in on the creature.
502
00:22:20,673 --> 00:22:22,299
- [Stephanie] When
we zoom in on this,
503
00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:25,052
the face looks exactly
like a human face,
504
00:22:25,052 --> 00:22:26,971
just painted in a
different color.
505
00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:29,807
You can clearly make
out two eyes, a nose,
506
00:22:29,807 --> 00:22:32,810
nothing about this is
distinct from a human face.
507
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,979
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
508
00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:39,525
- [Tony] Our verdict,
this is a hoax.
509
00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:41,151
It's one of those videos
510
00:22:41,151 --> 00:22:44,405
that proves nothing
more than the old adage,
511
00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:47,241
if it seems too good to
be true, it probably is,
512
00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:49,368
especially in the
Bigfoot community.
513
00:22:51,328 --> 00:22:54,790
Now, we're moving from
terror in the woods
514
00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:56,333
to terror in the suburbs.
515
00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:58,878
The Amityville Horror is one
516
00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,421
of the most famous
haunted house stories
517
00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:03,716
in American history,
inspiring books and films
518
00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:06,510
with at least 45
sequels and counting.
519
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:10,014
Believers say it
is not all fiction.
520
00:23:10,014 --> 00:23:13,183
And this famous
photograph is their proof.
521
00:23:14,685 --> 00:23:18,230
It's 1974 in
Amityville, Long Island.
522
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:21,400
Inside this charming
Dutch colonial home,
523
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,611
a horrific crime is committed.
524
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:28,532
- On the evening of
November 13th, 1974,
525
00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:33,579
Ronald DeFeo Jr. brutally
murdered his entire family,
526
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:37,374
two sisters, two
brothers, both parents.
527
00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:39,543
It haunted, first,
the community,
528
00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:42,129
then, the entire nation.
529
00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:46,592
- [Tony] At his trial, DeFeo
claims sinister voices told him
530
00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,385
to murder his family.
531
00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:53,057
In 1975, the Lutz family
moves into the same house.
532
00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:56,143
They claim it has
unexplained cold spots.
533
00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,811
When a priest blesses the home,
534
00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:02,107
they say an unseen voice
whispers, "Get out."
535
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,985
The Lutz's report
terrifying ghost encounters
536
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,738
and flee the house
after just a month.
537
00:24:07,738 --> 00:24:11,784
Their experiences are the basis
for the best-selling book.
538
00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,160
After they leave,
539
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,788
paranormal investigators
Ed and Lorraine Warren
540
00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,790
are called in to
check out the house.
541
00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:20,125
They're joined by their
colleague, Paul Bartz,
542
00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,752
and a photographer.
543
00:24:21,752 --> 00:24:25,673
The team sets up an automatic
infrared camera upstairs,
544
00:24:25,673 --> 00:24:29,510
and overnight, it captures
this unsettling image.
545
00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:36,266
- If you look at that photo,
it's obviously a child.
546
00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:39,687
The level of the child
is at the doorknob.
547
00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:41,939
It's too small to be an adult.
548
00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:45,693
And there were no children
in that house that day.
549
00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:50,114
My grandfather said, "You can
see, the eyes are glowing."
550
00:24:50,114 --> 00:24:51,740
- [Tony] Take another look.
551
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:56,161
Some say this isn't just any
little boy, it's a ghost.
552
00:24:56,161 --> 00:25:00,082
- True believers speculate
that the image in the photo is
553
00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:03,585
that of John DeFeo, one
of the younger brothers
554
00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:04,795
who was murdered.
555
00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:09,425
- [Chris] To me, it
looks like John DeFeo.
556
00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:13,303
There is something horrifying
that has manifested there.
557
00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:18,350
When trauma takes place
in a home like this,
558
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:21,020
it can take on a
life of its own.
559
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:24,106
It can become something
destructive, like a poltergeist.
560
00:25:24,106 --> 00:25:26,275
And I believe that's
what was taking place
561
00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:28,235
in the Amityville horror.
562
00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:35,242
- In 2005, Lorraine Warren told
a reporter that in 54 years
563
00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:37,870
of working paranormal
investigations,
564
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:42,624
no case affected her and
Ed as deeply as Amityville.
565
00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:45,627
But is this evidence they
captured on camera
566
00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,421
the real deal?
567
00:25:47,421 --> 00:25:49,798
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
568
00:25:51,425 --> 00:25:54,094
- Everything I'm seeing
in the photo does indicate
569
00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:56,013
this took place in camera.
570
00:25:56,013 --> 00:25:58,348
I don't see overt evidence
571
00:25:58,348 --> 00:26:00,559
that this was
manipulated in any way.
572
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,561
- [Tony] Does that
mean we're looking
573
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,189
at the spirit of John DeFeo?
574
00:26:05,189 --> 00:26:07,149
- There are photographs
of John DeFeo
575
00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:10,861
that somewhat resemble what
we see in the image here.
576
00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:12,613
But I think if you
look at it closely,
577
00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:15,282
like, it's really just a
superficial resemblance.
578
00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:17,743
If you put the two images
side by side, one thing
579
00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:20,996
that really kind of conflates
the comparison there is
580
00:26:20,996 --> 00:26:23,832
these highlights that
are over the eyes.
581
00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:25,084
Now, from a distance,
582
00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:28,045
it looks like these
ghostly glowing eyes.
583
00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:31,215
But when you get a lot closer,
they don't really appear
584
00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:33,717
to be exactly
where the eyes are.
585
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,345
I think a more likely
explanation is
586
00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:37,679
that these white lights
587
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,681
that we see in the image
are actually reflections
588
00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:43,060
of the infrared lamp off
the glasses of the person
589
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:44,520
who was in the photograph.
590
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,731
- [Tony] So who or what
are we looking at here?
591
00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:50,776
- [Mick] The most likely
candidate is Paul Bartz.
592
00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:54,029
He was someone who was around
the house at that time.
593
00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:56,740
He's the person who I think
just fits physically the best
594
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:57,991
for what we see there.
595
00:26:57,991 --> 00:27:00,661
And we can see very similar nose
596
00:27:00,661 --> 00:27:02,746
and very similar small mouth.
597
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:06,416
The eyes hidden behind
the glasses here.
598
00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:09,503
Very similar hairline on
this side and on this side.
599
00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:13,841
And if we were to just to kind
of take out his eyes here,
600
00:27:13,841 --> 00:27:16,635
because he's wearing glasses,
you can't really argue
601
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:17,970
that these aren't, you know,
602
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:21,223
almost identical looking
parts of the face.
603
00:27:21,223 --> 00:27:23,225
I think people interpret
this as a child simply
604
00:27:23,225 --> 00:27:25,477
because it's low down,
behind the banister.
605
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,146
And a simple
explanation is someone
606
00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,148
who is just kneeling
down, trying to stay out
607
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:31,692
of the shot of the camera.
608
00:27:31,692 --> 00:27:33,026
I am about 98% certain
that this image here is,
609
00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:36,530
I am about 98% certain
that this image here is,
610
00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:38,115
in fact, this person here.
611
00:27:39,783 --> 00:27:41,910
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
612
00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:45,664
- Our verdict?
613
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:48,292
We're calling this
a living person.
614
00:27:48,292 --> 00:27:49,918
The Warrens, for their part,
615
00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:53,046
never commented on
the Paul Bartz theory.
616
00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,133
And 50 years later, some still
claim the house is haunted.
617
00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,181
- The blockbuster film
"Inception" is set in a world
618
00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:06,393
where people can enter
each other's dreams.
619
00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:08,353
Well, our next story suggests
620
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,899
that this concept might
be more than movie magic.
621
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,485
It's October of
2025 in Los Angeles
622
00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:18,864
and actress Tara Rule
has a good guess about
623
00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:21,116
what will happen
when she goes to bed.
624
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,619
Almost every night
since she was a child,
625
00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:27,164
Tara's dreamt of an
elaborate mall complex.
626
00:28:27,164 --> 00:28:31,501
- [Tara] Initially, it
was confined to a mall
627
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:33,545
that also was a school.
628
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:38,592
And over the last, you
know, 30 years of my life,
629
00:28:38,592 --> 00:28:41,803
the world has kind of expanded.
630
00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:45,599
I eventually started
to just draw out
631
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,602
maps of this world in hopes
632
00:28:48,602 --> 00:28:51,480
that it would stop the dreams.
633
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,232
- [Tony] This routine
helps for a while,
634
00:28:54,232 --> 00:28:57,569
until Tara sees a post from a
stranger named Jessica Tilton,
635
00:28:57,569 --> 00:29:02,282
who lives more than 1,300 miles
away in San Antonio, Texas.
636
00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:04,284
Turns out, Jessica made a map
637
00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:06,995
of her own recurring
dream world.
638
00:29:06,995 --> 00:29:09,122
- I post a lot of things
on my TikTok on a whim.
639
00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:11,625
I was like, "Guys, I go
to Mall World every night.
640
00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:14,378
Here's my sketch of it.
I'm drawing a map."
641
00:29:14,378 --> 00:29:16,421
And it just immediately
started getting traction.
642
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:18,548
And after that, it
just kept blowing up.
643
00:29:18,548 --> 00:29:20,968
- [Tony] The
similarities are uncanny.
644
00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,260
Look for yourself.
645
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,388
You can see the same
landmarks populating
646
00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,098
the two dream worlds.
647
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:29,768
An impending tsunami, a
rollercoaster like highway,
648
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,353
waterfront buildings,
649
00:29:31,353 --> 00:29:35,482
and of course, that mall school
complex right in the middle.
650
00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:38,402
And the reason Jessica's
post gains such traction is
651
00:29:38,402 --> 00:29:41,321
because many others claim
to enter Mall World
652
00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:42,823
when they go to sleep.
653
00:29:42,823 --> 00:29:47,536
- Mall World began as a
somewhat underground theme,
654
00:29:47,536 --> 00:29:52,290
but since 2021, its
subreddit has amassed
655
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:54,459
well over 40,000 followers.
656
00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:56,920
It wouldn't surprise
me if you add a zero
657
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,797
to that in the near future.
658
00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:02,217
It's been the subject
of articles from Forbes,
659
00:30:02,217 --> 00:30:04,136
to the New York Times.
660
00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:07,305
- [Tony] One theory is that
Mall World is an example
661
00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:09,850
of the collective unconscious.
662
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,227
Psychiatrist Carl Jung
proposed this theory
663
00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,062
in the early 20th century.
664
00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:17,774
It's the idea that all of
us inherit certain symbols,
665
00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:19,985
images, and archetypes at birth,
666
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:22,195
patterns we
unconsciously tap into
667
00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:24,197
throughout our lives.
668
00:30:24,197 --> 00:30:26,950
But it may not be
all sweet dreams.
669
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:29,161
- There's a longstanding fear
670
00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:32,831
that symbols or
archetypes could be used
671
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,877
to manipulate the
collective unconscious.
672
00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:40,130
Some people who
have provided some
673
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,800
of the most vivid Mall World
narratives vocally worry
674
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,428
that they might have been part
675
00:30:46,428 --> 00:30:48,221
of a government
program, either as kids,
676
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:52,225
or perhaps today,
to hack into dreams,
677
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:54,603
to influence behavior.
678
00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:59,483
- In 2024, in an
experiment conducted
679
00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:02,402
by the tech startup, REMspace,
680
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,154
two participants in separate,
681
00:31:04,154 --> 00:31:07,783
induced, lucid dreams
exchanged a word
682
00:31:07,783 --> 00:31:09,242
from one person to the other.
683
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:10,994
This marked the
first ever recorded
684
00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:13,705
dream-to-dream communication.
685
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:17,209
So if that's possible,
is it really impossible
686
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:21,546
that thousands of people
dream of the same Mall World?
687
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,799
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
688
00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:27,010
- The comparison
between these two maps
689
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,596
wouldn't pass
scientific peer review.
690
00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:31,598
They are qualitatively
maybe similar,
691
00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:33,683
but I can point out features
692
00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,520
that are in completely
different locations.
693
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,188
It says airport this way.
694
00:31:38,188 --> 00:31:40,732
Over here, the
airport is over there.
695
00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,442
Here, I see factory.
696
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,444
You could claim it's
the same as warehouse.
697
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:47,072
Those are not synonymous
to me in any way.
698
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,575
So even without going into
some sort of mathematical
699
00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,744
or statistical
analysis, we can see
700
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,163
that these are not the same map.
701
00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:57,499
- [Tony] Even if the
maps aren't identical,
702
00:31:57,499 --> 00:32:01,253
what explains the scale of
the Mall World phenomenon?
703
00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:05,132
Is it proof of clandestine
government experimentation,
704
00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:07,008
or is this all in our heads?
705
00:32:07,008 --> 00:32:10,387
- A social contagion
may be part of this,
706
00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:13,306
where once one person
shares their story,
707
00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:16,184
it's gonna go viral,
and now, we cannot trust
708
00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:18,186
any additional stories.
709
00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:21,314
This could lead to more
people dreaming of this world,
710
00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,483
not for some exotic reason,
711
00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:26,069
but because they heard about
it already on the internet.
712
00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:28,029
- You can also ask, why malls?
713
00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:30,115
What is it about malls that
people are dreaming of?
714
00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:33,160
Well, they're a cultural symbol.
715
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,078
I mean, they're kind of
ubiquitous across the globe.
716
00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:37,998
- [Matthew] Maybe the ancient
Greeks had a shared dream
717
00:32:37,998 --> 00:32:41,710
about the Parthenon, or perhaps,
there was a shared dream
718
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:44,504
among ancient Egyptians
of the pyramids.
719
00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:46,131
And maybe Mall World is
720
00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:48,967
just the contemporary
version of that.
721
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:52,679
- It makes sense that a mall
would be the perfect symbol
722
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:55,223
or shared space, where
someone might have kind
723
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,767
of a collective
unconscious experience.
724
00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:00,812
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clacking]
725
00:33:02,772 --> 00:33:03,940
- Our verdict?
726
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:06,943
Mall World remains unexplained.
727
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:09,154
Even if social contagion
728
00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:11,198
can explain many of the cases,
729
00:33:11,198 --> 00:33:14,284
some of the oral accounts are
still too compelling to ignore
730
00:33:14,284 --> 00:33:16,578
until we get more evidence.
731
00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:20,665
And as it turns out, one of
our very own proof staffers
732
00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:23,293
goes to Mall World at night.
733
00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:24,669
Sweet dreams, Brian.
734
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:30,675
- Our next story features
a superhuman feat
735
00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:33,386
that goes back more
than a century.
736
00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:36,514
But to this day, it
is still a mystery
737
00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:38,558
that punches above its weight.
738
00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:42,354
February 14th, 1921,
Paris, France.
739
00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,522
Former bantamweight
boxing champion,
740
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:47,943
Johnny Coulon, weighing
in at just 110 pounds,
741
00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:50,862
takes a strange act to
the vaudeville stage.
742
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,114
- Johnny Coulon's
act was so amazing
743
00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:54,741
that it earned him
the reputation of
744
00:33:54,741 --> 00:33:55,075
that it earned him
the reputation of
745
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:56,743
the unliftable man.
746
00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,203
I can just imagine
747
00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:00,413
what it must have been
like when Johnny Coulon
748
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:01,915
was out there doing that act.
749
00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:03,833
Oh, the audience
must have been nuts.
750
00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,878
- [Tony] Determined
to uncover the secret,
751
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,297
a newsreel crew sets
up an experiment
752
00:34:09,297 --> 00:34:10,924
with a Swiss weightlifter,
753
00:34:10,924 --> 00:34:12,884
and this is the
footage they capture.
754
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:16,513
The weightlifter
tries to lift Coulon,
755
00:34:16,513 --> 00:34:18,889
but can't budge
him, as Coulon seems
756
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:20,350
to simply apply pressure
757
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,226
to the man's wrist and neck.
758
00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:24,603
- There was a lot of
word out on Johnny
759
00:34:24,603 --> 00:34:27,315
that there was some sort
of electrical current
760
00:34:27,315 --> 00:34:29,025
he could control in his body
761
00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,820
and even push it out
on the other people,
762
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:34,739
and that would be the reason
why he couldn't be moved.
763
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:37,324
- [Tony] Even legendary
boxer, Muhammad Ali,
764
00:34:37,324 --> 00:34:40,661
tried his hand at
lifting Coulon in 1961,
765
00:34:40,661 --> 00:34:43,039
but the champ was defeated.
766
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,250
So what's the secret here?
767
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,835
Well, a rumor circulates
768
00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:50,463
that Coulon picked up this
power traveling in the far east.
769
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,632
- There are those who believe
that Coulon may have learned
770
00:34:53,632 --> 00:34:56,761
to harness the mysterious force
771
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,347
known as Chi in East Asia.
772
00:34:59,347 --> 00:35:01,641
It's known as the vital energy
773
00:35:01,641 --> 00:35:03,852
that animates all things
774
00:35:03,852 --> 00:35:07,355
and even a potential
source of power.
775
00:35:08,315 --> 00:35:10,650
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
776
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,779
- [Tony] So let's see what
our experts make of all this.
777
00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:19,117
First, did Coulon really
travel to Asia to master Chi?
778
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,119
- In my research, it
looks like he traveled
779
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,954
to the United States and Europe.
780
00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,415
There's no evidence that
he spent any time in India,
781
00:35:25,415 --> 00:35:29,169
Japan, or Asia, where he
would've learned the practice
782
00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:30,754
and the art of Chi.
783
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:33,965
- [Tony] But is it
possible that he wields
784
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:36,217
some kind of electrical power?
785
00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:39,179
- [Lisa] If there was any kind
of electrical shock being given,
786
00:35:39,179 --> 00:35:42,849
you would see the recoil
of the body being tossed.
787
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:45,769
You would see seizure
or tremor activity.
788
00:35:45,769 --> 00:35:48,188
You may even see the
patient become unconscious,
789
00:35:48,188 --> 00:35:50,607
but we don't see
any of that here.
790
00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:51,983
I highly doubt that
there's any electricity
791
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,528
or electric shock or any
energy being transmitted.
792
00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,322
- [Tony] So what's
really going on?
793
00:35:57,322 --> 00:36:00,450
- The eye is drawn to that
finger stuck into the neck.
794
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,535
And so, it appears
like he's pressing
795
00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:04,704
against the man's vagus nerve.
796
00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:07,165
- [Lisa] By pushing
on this nerve,
797
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,750
you would definitely
slow down the heart rate,
798
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:11,294
decrease the amount of
blood going up to the brain,
799
00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,380
and this would make
someone feel weaker.
800
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,131
But this is not the
piece that's causing him
801
00:36:15,131 --> 00:36:16,675
to be unable to lift.
802
00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:19,052
- If you want to lift something
heavy, you bring it in close
803
00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:21,596
to your body, put it
near your center of mass,
804
00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:22,931
and that allows you
805
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,558
to lift heavy objects
with the most leverage.
806
00:36:25,558 --> 00:36:28,853
But Coulon here keeps
himself at arm's length.
807
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:31,815
He's pressed away
from the muscle man.
808
00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:33,775
By being a distance, right,
809
00:36:33,775 --> 00:36:36,444
you become effectively heavier
810
00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,530
because, you know,
your elbow is a pivot,
811
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:41,783
and so you are
increasing the torque
812
00:36:41,783 --> 00:36:44,327
or the rotational
force downward,
813
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:45,912
given your body weight.
814
00:36:45,912 --> 00:36:48,707
- [Tony] Watch, when Coulon
repositions himself later
815
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:50,500
in the demonstration,
816
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,752
the Swiss athlete
lifts him with ease.
817
00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:55,505
- The key to being a good
trickster isn't just being able
818
00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:56,881
to pull off the stunt,
819
00:36:56,881 --> 00:37:00,719
but being able to hide
exactly how the stunt works.
820
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,389
So here, the eye is drawn
to that finger stuck
821
00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:06,808
into the neck, but that's
not what's going on.
822
00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:08,435
It's all leverage.
823
00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:10,687
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clicking]
824
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,983
- Our verdict? Leverage.
825
00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:18,153
Even if he didn't
wield superpowers,
826
00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:21,531
Coulon remained a superstar
in his hometown of Chicago,
827
00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:24,451
where he ran a boxing
gym for over 50 years.
828
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,498
[dramatic music]
829
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:32,876
- [Tony] We have
new developments
830
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:34,669
in a story we first
brought to you
831
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:36,588
in a previous season.
832
00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:38,548
Our team investigated
this broadcast
833
00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:41,092
from a mysterious
shortwave radio station,
834
00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:45,680
known by the call sign,
UVB-76, which became known
835
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,890
as the Buzzer.
836
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:48,725
[buzzer sounds]
837
00:37:48,725 --> 00:37:51,311
The monotonous repetitive
sound had been on air
838
00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:54,147
from the late '70s
into the 21st century
839
00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,150
before it finally
fell silent in 2010.
840
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,902
Occasionally, it was interrupted
841
00:37:58,902 --> 00:38:00,695
by a voice speaking Russian.
842
00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:04,949
We spoke to an
anonymous investigator
843
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:07,535
who became obsessed with
finding its source.
844
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:16,669
- [Tony] Many
believed the buzzer
845
00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:19,631
could be connected to
so-called numbers stations,
846
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:23,259
radio broadcasts that
date back to World War I
847
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:26,012
and became increasingly
common during the Cold War.
848
00:38:26,012 --> 00:38:28,973
- A numbers station is a
shortwave radio broadcast
849
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:31,226
that transmits coded sequences,
850
00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:33,228
usually spoken numbers,
851
00:38:33,228 --> 00:38:35,313
used by intelligence agencies
852
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,524
to send secret
messages to spies.
853
00:38:37,524 --> 00:38:39,108
- [Tony] Others suggested
854
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:41,653
it was connected to a
nuclear deterrence system,
855
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,947
known as a dead hand switch.
856
00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:49,160
- The theory is that if Russia
is attacked and decimated,
857
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,578
the buzzer stops,
858
00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:54,290
and then, nuclear weapons
are automatically deployed
859
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:56,292
in retaliation to the West.
860
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,503
- [Tony] Our experts
initially dismissed
861
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:00,880
that doomsday scenario.
862
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,216
- [Tim] In 2010,
the signal ceased.
863
00:39:03,216 --> 00:39:05,927
Very fortunately, we didn't
see the launch of any missiles.
864
00:39:05,927 --> 00:39:07,512
We didn't see apocalypse.
865
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:13,518
- Our initial verdict was
866
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:17,063
that the buzzer was probably
a Russian numbers station,
867
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,691
but there was a lot
that wasn't clear.
868
00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:21,651
And now, there's
a new development.
869
00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:23,361
The buzzer is back.
870
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:27,407
- So in addition to the
characteristic buzzer sound
871
00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:30,159
that is broadcast on
this particular channel,
872
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,788
there have also been
spoken words in Russian.
873
00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:35,832
- [Tony] That part, we
can at least translate.
874
00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:44,841
- [Tony] But the rest
remains an enigma.
875
00:39:44,841 --> 00:39:47,552
- [Rob] There's often another
sequence of characters
876
00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:50,555
or numbers that could
indicate a postal code
877
00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:53,266
or a zip code type of
piece of information.
878
00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:05,862
- [Tony] So the
message is a mystery.
879
00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:07,196
But what about the messengers?
880
00:40:07,196 --> 00:40:10,575
- [Rob] On September 9th,
2025, which was just a day
881
00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:13,786
before Russian drones
invaded Polish airspace,
882
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:16,164
there was an increase in
activity on this channel.
883
00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:18,041
It seems that there
may be indications
884
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:21,294
that Russia is actively
managing and using this channel.
885
00:40:32,555 --> 00:40:34,349
[suspenseful music]
[keyboard clacking]
886
00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:39,312
- So we are standing by
our original verdict.
887
00:40:39,312 --> 00:40:41,731
We think the new
buzzer is likely
888
00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:44,484
a reactivated Russian
numbers station.
889
00:40:44,484 --> 00:40:46,986
We still don't know
what its messages mean,
890
00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:49,739
and that may be
exactly the point.
891
00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:50,990
That's our show for tonight.
892
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:53,117
Thank you so much for watching.
893
00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,828
And as always, keep
those cameras rolling.
894
00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:57,872
[dramatic music]
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