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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,085 --> 00:00:03,670 - Tonight on "The Proof Is Out There." 2 00:00:03,795 --> 00:00:07,174 A newly released military video captures a bizarre collision 3 00:00:07,174 --> 00:00:09,384 with an unknown object. 4 00:00:09,384 --> 00:00:12,763 - I have never seen a hellfire missile hit a solid object 5 00:00:12,763 --> 00:00:14,139 and bounce off. 6 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:15,766 Never. 7 00:00:15,891 --> 00:00:18,977 - [Tony] Could this strange skull be of otherworldly origin? 8 00:00:18,977 --> 00:00:21,146 - They posited that this could be evidence 9 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:24,441 of a human alien hybrid. 10 00:00:24,441 --> 00:00:27,194 - [Tony] Is this the most convincing Bigfoot video 11 00:00:27,194 --> 00:00:28,403 ever recorded? 12 00:00:28,403 --> 00:00:30,822 - The real showstopper of this video is 13 00:00:30,822 --> 00:00:33,075 the creature's apparent strength. 14 00:00:34,076 --> 00:00:35,536 - [Tony] Is this photo evidence 15 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:38,830 the infamous Amityville house was really haunted? 16 00:00:38,830 --> 00:00:43,043 - There is something horrifying that has manifested there. 17 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,586 - [Tony] And could thousands 18 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:47,089 of people really be sharing the same dream 19 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:48,799 of a mysterious mall? 20 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:51,885 - Some people wonder whether they are subjects 21 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:55,055 of some kind of a mass psychological experiment. 22 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,099 [dramatic music] 23 00:01:00,352 --> 00:01:02,479 - [Tony] Around the globe are videos.... 24 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:03,981 - [Witness] Oh, there he goes. 25 00:01:03,981 --> 00:01:05,065 - [Tony] Photos, 26 00:01:06,108 --> 00:01:08,944 and sounds that defy explanation. 27 00:01:08,944 --> 00:01:11,029 [static squealing] 28 00:01:13,448 --> 00:01:15,826 - [Expert] We don't know where they come from, 29 00:01:15,826 --> 00:01:17,035 who made them, or how they operate. 30 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:18,453 - [Tony] What are they? 31 00:01:18,453 --> 00:01:20,747 - [Expert] Some sort of bizarre mutation. 32 00:01:20,747 --> 00:01:22,541 - [Expert] What's exciting is nobody really knows. 33 00:01:22,541 --> 00:01:25,627 - Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. 34 00:01:27,462 --> 00:01:29,464 - I'm Tony Harris, and as a journalist 35 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:31,091 for more than 30 years, 36 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:33,760 I've followed the facts where they take me. 37 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,346 Now, I'm bringing that spirit of investigation 38 00:01:36,346 --> 00:01:38,557 to the world's strangest sounds and images. 39 00:01:38,557 --> 00:01:40,058 - [Witness] It's coming towards us. 40 00:01:40,058 --> 00:01:43,186 - [Tony] We'll analyze each one with top experts. 41 00:01:43,186 --> 00:01:46,064 - It's a credible case, it's a credible video. 42 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:48,900 - [Tony] And pass a verdict on what it is. 43 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:50,902 - This video was clearly faked. 44 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:52,946 - The proof starts now. 45 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:54,990 [dramatic music] 46 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:02,706 Good evening, everyone, 47 00:02:02,706 --> 00:02:05,250 and welcome to "The Proof Is Out There." 48 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:08,502 From an active war zone, to Capitol hearing halls, 49 00:02:08,502 --> 00:02:12,382 to headlines around the world, the video we're about 50 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:14,718 to show you has gone on a head-spinning journey, 51 00:02:14,718 --> 00:02:17,554 stunning spectators at every turn. 52 00:02:17,554 --> 00:02:20,182 Now, we're taking a look. 53 00:02:20,182 --> 00:02:24,102 Washington D.C., September 9th, 2025. 54 00:02:24,102 --> 00:02:26,229 The House Oversight Committee's Task Force 55 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:29,650 on the declassification of federal secrets is holding 56 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:30,984 a special hearing. 57 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:32,527 - Good morning, and welcome 58 00:02:32,527 --> 00:02:34,988 to the hearing regarding UAP disclosures. 59 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:37,658 - [Tony] A panel of UAP witnesses testifies 60 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:39,159 to the Task Force, 61 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:41,161 but perhaps the greatest revelation comes 62 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:42,663 from one congressman. 63 00:02:42,663 --> 00:02:45,248 - Representative, Eric Burlison, from Missouri provided 64 00:02:45,248 --> 00:02:48,126 this video from a top secret source. 65 00:02:49,836 --> 00:02:51,880 - [Tony] The infrared video takes us to Yemen 66 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,841 in October, 2024. 67 00:02:54,841 --> 00:02:57,803 It's shot from an MQ-9 Reaper Drone 68 00:02:57,803 --> 00:03:00,472 as it tracks a white, orb-like object, 69 00:03:00,472 --> 00:03:02,224 zipping over open water. 70 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,519 - This object in the middle doesn't have any obvious signs 71 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:07,104 of propulsion. 72 00:03:07,104 --> 00:03:08,563 There is no heat signature. 73 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:10,816 So we don't know, really, what we're looking at. 74 00:03:10,816 --> 00:03:12,109 - [Tony] The object is considered 75 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:14,194 enough of a threat that moments later, 76 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:18,365 another MQ-9 launches a hellfire missile at it. 77 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:21,326 And that's when this thing goes from unidentified 78 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:22,828 to truly astonishing. 79 00:03:22,828 --> 00:03:24,621 - What happens is the unexpected. 80 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:30,127 The missile doesn't blow up and the object doesn't blow up. 81 00:03:30,127 --> 00:03:31,795 [film rewinding] 82 00:03:31,795 --> 00:03:33,839 - [Tony] The missile seems to just bounce off the object, 83 00:03:33,839 --> 00:03:35,132 whatever it is. 84 00:03:35,132 --> 00:03:38,051 - [Luis] What you see is a scattering of parts, 85 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:39,928 what looks like some sort of ejectile. 86 00:03:39,928 --> 00:03:42,305 It'll deviate from its course slightly, 87 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:44,641 but then, it keeps on going. 88 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:47,686 - [Tony] The video quickly makes headlines, 89 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:49,104 and investigators dig into it. 90 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:51,231 - During the time this video was recorded, 91 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:52,607 we were conducting 92 00:03:52,607 --> 00:03:55,360 a lot of operations around Yemen. 93 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,238 It's a very hot area, operationally speaking. 94 00:03:58,238 --> 00:04:02,284 - [Tony] In fact, Yemen's Iran-backed Houthis took credit 95 00:04:02,284 --> 00:04:04,578 for a drone attack on Israel just one day 96 00:04:04,578 --> 00:04:06,037 before this video was taken. 97 00:04:06,163 --> 00:04:09,458 For some, that means this must be a Houthi drone, 98 00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:11,585 sideswiped by a hellfire missile. 99 00:04:11,585 --> 00:04:14,463 But for others, it's not nearly that simple. 100 00:04:14,463 --> 00:04:16,755 - Hellfire missiles are precision-guided, 101 00:04:16,755 --> 00:04:17,966 air-to-ground weapons. 102 00:04:17,966 --> 00:04:20,760 They are used to strike high value targets, 103 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,054 such as armored vehicles, bunkers, 104 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:24,222 and personnel. 105 00:04:24,222 --> 00:04:25,515 [missile exploding] 106 00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:28,351 - I have never, in my professional experience, 107 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:31,646 ever seen a hellfire missile hit a solid object 108 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:33,774 and bounce off, never. 109 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:35,734 - [Tony] That's why many remain convinced 110 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:38,612 that this video is proof of an alien craft, 111 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:40,238 immune to our weaponry. 112 00:04:40,238 --> 00:04:42,032 - [Luis] I suspect Representative Burlison 113 00:04:42,032 --> 00:04:45,535 released this video because he wanted to show, yet again, 114 00:04:45,535 --> 00:04:48,038 here's an example of the U.S. government not knowing 115 00:04:48,038 --> 00:04:49,581 what the heck's in our skies. 116 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:55,629 - The Pentagon had no comment on the case out of Yemen, 117 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:57,047 but on Capitol Hill, 118 00:04:57,047 --> 00:05:01,384 the so-called hellfire UFO made plenty of waves. 119 00:05:01,384 --> 00:05:04,179 The panel of UAP witnesses largely agreed 120 00:05:04,179 --> 00:05:07,307 that what they saw in the video scared them. 121 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:10,101 So should the rest of us be worried too? 122 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,229 [suspenseful music] [computer whirring] 123 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,858 We begin with the object's strange shape. 124 00:05:16,858 --> 00:05:19,277 - It appears to be just a white blob. 125 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:22,864 So we can't see any evident wings 126 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:26,576 that would be consistent with a drone or a aircraft. 127 00:05:26,576 --> 00:05:29,162 - [Tony] Then, there's the object's speed to consider. 128 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:31,540 - [Tim] When we see the actual missile 129 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:33,416 that engages this object, 130 00:05:33,416 --> 00:05:36,545 the missile that's targeting it is notably traveling faster. 131 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:37,921 And so, I get the impression that 132 00:05:37,921 --> 00:05:40,465 what I'm seeing here is slow moving. 133 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:44,052 So that leads me to believe that it's not a missile. 134 00:05:44,052 --> 00:05:47,347 - [Tony] So, could it really be a UFO? 135 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:49,683 - It could be a UFO from the standpoint, 136 00:05:49,683 --> 00:05:51,935 the fact that you don't know what it is. 137 00:05:51,935 --> 00:05:54,563 But we've fired at these objects in the past, 138 00:05:54,563 --> 00:05:57,649 and they are able to shoot off at incredible speeds 139 00:05:57,649 --> 00:05:59,943 and avoid anything that we would fire at them. 140 00:05:59,943 --> 00:06:02,612 So the fact that this was a hit rules out, 141 00:06:02,612 --> 00:06:05,448 to me, in my mind, the UFO. 142 00:06:05,448 --> 00:06:07,951 - [Tim] Obviously, it was presented by lawmakers 143 00:06:07,951 --> 00:06:11,204 as a UFO that was unaffected by a missile, 144 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:13,123 but you can also have instances 145 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:15,584 where the target itself is a soft target. 146 00:06:15,584 --> 00:06:18,879 So it's not triggering the fuse mechanism 147 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,339 of the anti-missile system. 148 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:24,175 So let's say a lighter than air, a balloon. 149 00:06:24,175 --> 00:06:27,262 If you shoot a missile at a balloon, the potential exists 150 00:06:27,262 --> 00:06:30,974 that it doesn't cause that incoming missile to go off 151 00:06:30,974 --> 00:06:32,893 and destroy the balloon. 152 00:06:32,893 --> 00:06:35,270 It's too soft, it deflects off of it. 153 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:38,231 - [Rich] Since we know that even the Chinese were launching 154 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:40,233 these kind of balloons over the United States, 155 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:41,985 it's conceivable that this could have been 156 00:06:41,985 --> 00:06:43,737 a Chinese spy balloon. 157 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,822 - [Tony] And remember, reconnaissance balloons, 158 00:06:45,822 --> 00:06:47,949 like the Chinese spy balloon, 159 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:49,367 carry their surveillance tech 160 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:51,911 in a payload that hangs below. 161 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:53,997 - [Rich] So this hellfire missile 162 00:06:53,997 --> 00:06:56,291 would have been trying to target the balloon. 163 00:06:56,291 --> 00:06:58,585 Instead of hitting the balloon, per se, 164 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:03,256 it hit the payload below, and that's the parts 165 00:07:03,256 --> 00:07:05,091 and pieces that are breaking off. 166 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:07,761 It kind of like deforms a little bit, changes shape, 167 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:09,346 but it stays afloat, 168 00:07:09,346 --> 00:07:13,183 because the actual balloon was not hit by the missile. 169 00:07:13,183 --> 00:07:15,352 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clacking] 170 00:07:17,020 --> 00:07:19,272 - We're calling this one a mystery balloon, 171 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:21,191 because we don't know who sent it flying 172 00:07:21,191 --> 00:07:23,193 over Yemen or why. 173 00:07:23,193 --> 00:07:26,112 We could only hope the military gets that info 174 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:29,908 before our enemies finish gathering their info. 175 00:07:31,826 --> 00:07:36,414 Now, let's switch from balloons to the bard, 176 00:07:36,414 --> 00:07:40,418 to believe or not to believe. 177 00:07:40,418 --> 00:07:42,379 That is the question. 178 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:45,340 You know when it comes to skulls, 179 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:49,135 it's easy to identify what's human and what's not, right? 180 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:52,347 Ah, but the one you're about to see might be proof 181 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:54,766 of a human-alien hybrid. 182 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:58,728 This story goes back to the 1930s. 183 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:00,980 We're in Chihuahua, Mexico, 184 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,108 and an American teenager on vacation 185 00:08:03,108 --> 00:08:05,485 comes across an abandoned mine. 186 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:09,406 Inside is a shallow grave, hiding a buried secret 187 00:08:09,406 --> 00:08:12,158 and a mystery that's centuries old. 188 00:08:12,158 --> 00:08:14,703 - The story that I got goes 189 00:08:14,703 --> 00:08:18,832 that she saw, laying on the ground, a complete skeleton. 190 00:08:18,832 --> 00:08:21,459 And then, she noticed outside of the ground, 191 00:08:21,459 --> 00:08:23,294 there was another hand coming out, 192 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:25,088 and the hand looked deformed. 193 00:08:25,088 --> 00:08:26,965 And it was intertwined with this skull. 194 00:08:26,965 --> 00:08:28,800 So she dug that up 195 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,179 and noticed it was a very small, misshapen skeleton. 196 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:35,932 And the misshapen skull became known 197 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:38,058 as the Starchild Skull. 198 00:08:38,058 --> 00:08:41,145 - [Tony] The so-called Starchild Skull appears 199 00:08:41,145 --> 00:08:43,106 to be made of strong, but thin bone, 200 00:08:43,106 --> 00:08:45,775 with a bulbus cranium, a flat top, 201 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:47,777 and smooth, shallow eye sockets 202 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:49,821 that almost make a heart shape. 203 00:08:49,821 --> 00:08:52,157 Compare it to a human skull, 204 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:55,452 and well, there's almost no comparison. 205 00:08:55,452 --> 00:08:58,288 - [Aaron] Clearly, this doesn't look like a regular skull. 206 00:08:58,288 --> 00:09:01,958 The eye sockets are very oval, they're shallow, 207 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:06,296 and the optic nerve canal is positioned lower 208 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:10,341 than it would be on a normal skull. 209 00:09:10,341 --> 00:09:11,843 - [Tony] Eventually, 210 00:09:11,843 --> 00:09:13,511 the skull comes into the possession 211 00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:16,723 of former neonatal nurse, Melanie Young. 212 00:09:16,723 --> 00:09:19,392 She finds it so compelling and so odd 213 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:23,271 that she shares it with researchers in the UFO world. 214 00:09:23,271 --> 00:09:26,941 - That's what I imagine the eye socket of one 215 00:09:26,941 --> 00:09:28,777 of those gray aliens to look like. 216 00:09:30,487 --> 00:09:33,406 - [Tony] The specialists radiocarbon date the bones 217 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:35,116 back to the 12th century. 218 00:09:35,116 --> 00:09:39,079 - What they found is that there was this strange, reddish hue 219 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,456 that they couldn't identify. 220 00:09:41,456 --> 00:09:43,875 And they posited that this could be evidence 221 00:09:43,875 --> 00:09:46,544 of a human-alien hybrid. 222 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:51,382 And indeed, the skull was discovered alongside 223 00:09:51,382 --> 00:09:55,595 a skull of an adult human female, 224 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:58,431 leading that researcher to suggest 225 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:01,976 that this could have been the human mother 226 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:04,104 of the Starchild. 227 00:10:07,398 --> 00:10:09,776 - Initial DNA results on the skull showed 228 00:10:09,776 --> 00:10:14,155 that 265 base pairs were human, 229 00:10:14,155 --> 00:10:17,075 but 342 were of unknown origin, 230 00:10:17,075 --> 00:10:20,954 not belonging to any species found on Earth. 231 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:24,415 Could the Starchild's father be an alien? 232 00:10:24,415 --> 00:10:26,626 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 233 00:10:28,378 --> 00:10:31,714 Our experts have numerous anomalies to unpack here. 234 00:10:31,714 --> 00:10:35,009 First, this skull's dense, reddish appearance. 235 00:10:35,009 --> 00:10:37,387 - We know this skull is about 900 years old 236 00:10:37,387 --> 00:10:39,430 and it was buried in the dirt. 237 00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:42,642 Lithification allows other chemicals, 238 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:44,853 organics that are in the soil 239 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:48,898 to absorb into the porous cranium. 240 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:50,233 And so, even though 241 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:53,987 the chemical analysis that was done on this skull 242 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:55,989 might suggest it's alien, 243 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:57,657 I think it's just being thrown off 244 00:10:57,657 --> 00:11:01,411 because of the processes in which it was found. 245 00:11:01,411 --> 00:11:04,581 - [Tony] Okay, but what about those initial DNA results 246 00:11:04,581 --> 00:11:07,375 that showed something not of this world? 247 00:11:07,375 --> 00:11:10,170 - This thing is 900 years old. 248 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:14,174 DNA is gonna degrade over time, so it's very plausible 249 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:17,302 that the segments that they couldn't match were 250 00:11:17,302 --> 00:11:20,430 just degraded DNA that couldn't really be read well. 251 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,974 Multiple repetitive DNA testing was done 252 00:11:22,974 --> 00:11:26,186 on the Starchild DNA and testing did reveal 253 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:29,022 that this DNA was 100% human. 254 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:30,607 - [Tony] Yet, we still have to account 255 00:11:30,607 --> 00:11:32,775 for the most striking anomaly of all, 256 00:11:32,775 --> 00:11:34,819 the skull's strange shape. 257 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:36,905 Turns out there may be a sad, 258 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:38,698 but earthly explanation. 259 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:41,409 - [Lisa] To me, this looks like it could be hydrocephalus. 260 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:45,288 Hydrocephalus is when you make too much cerebral spinal fluid, 261 00:11:45,288 --> 00:11:47,665 which is the fluid in the center of the brain. 262 00:11:47,665 --> 00:11:50,543 And the skull of an infant is very malleable. 263 00:11:50,543 --> 00:11:53,713 Any kind of internal pressure is gonna push outward 264 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,757 and change the shape of the skull. 265 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,760 - [Tony] Melanie has since donated the skull, 266 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,222 now identified as belonging to a five or six-year-old boy, 267 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:04,599 to a Mexican archeology museum. 268 00:12:04,599 --> 00:12:07,393 - I wanted to find out, was it human 269 00:12:07,393 --> 00:12:09,395 and what was wrong with it? 270 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:10,688 And I did. 271 00:12:10,688 --> 00:12:14,025 And I wanted to take it back to its people 272 00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:16,319 and put it back to bed. 273 00:12:16,319 --> 00:12:18,780 [pensive music] [keyboard clacking] 274 00:12:20,406 --> 00:12:24,911 - Our verdict, the Starchild was indeed a human 275 00:12:24,911 --> 00:12:26,454 who likely fell victim to an ancient case 276 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:28,081 of hydrocephalus. 277 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:30,708 Fortunately, there are now treatments that allow children 278 00:12:30,708 --> 00:12:32,919 with this condition to lead fairly normal lives. 279 00:12:37,215 --> 00:12:38,925 - This next classic UFO encounter 280 00:12:38,925 --> 00:12:41,344 dates back to the 1930s, 281 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:43,680 and it is still sparking debate today. 282 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:45,556 It's part of a curious pattern, 283 00:12:45,556 --> 00:12:48,893 sightings of strange craft around Christmas time. 284 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:50,353 That's right. 285 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:55,066 For some, the holiday season means mistletoes and UFOs. 286 00:12:56,317 --> 00:12:59,696 It's winter of 1937 in Vancouver, Canada, 287 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:02,782 and 21-year-old Leonard Lamoureux 288 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:04,409 is on leave from the Army. 289 00:13:04,409 --> 00:13:05,952 - He's actually with his brother, Wilfred, 290 00:13:05,952 --> 00:13:06,786 and they're going down to City Hall in downtown Vancouver 291 00:13:07,537 --> 00:13:08,997 and they're going down to City Hall in downtown Vancouver 292 00:13:08,997 --> 00:13:10,790 to see the Christmas lights. 293 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:13,376 - [Tony] Leonard sets his camera up on a tripod 294 00:13:13,376 --> 00:13:15,503 to capture the holiday spirit. 295 00:13:15,503 --> 00:13:17,505 And that's when it happens. 296 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:19,340 - All of a sudden, he looks up in the sky 297 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:21,551 and he sees this strange sort of object 298 00:13:21,551 --> 00:13:23,469 hovering above City Hall, 299 00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:26,723 and he snaps this famous Canadian UFO photo. 300 00:13:26,723 --> 00:13:28,558 - [Tony] It's a bright oval object, 301 00:13:28,558 --> 00:13:30,351 wrapped in a strange glow, 302 00:13:30,351 --> 00:13:32,270 and it appears to be moving fast. 303 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:35,106 - We can even see sort of pixelation that we see kind 304 00:13:35,106 --> 00:13:38,026 of follow it, almost like a contrail towards the back. 305 00:13:38,026 --> 00:13:40,695 Sadly, Leonard passed away in 1992, 306 00:13:40,695 --> 00:13:43,865 but he did pass the story on to his daughter, Deborah. 307 00:13:43,865 --> 00:13:46,200 According to Deborah, Leonard explained 308 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,369 that he had never seen anything fly 309 00:13:48,369 --> 00:13:49,912 so fast before. 310 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:52,957 - [Tony] He also told her the object flew horizontally, 311 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:54,083 then stopped. 312 00:13:54,083 --> 00:13:55,877 That's when he snapped the photo. 313 00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:58,087 Finally, it shot up into the sky. 314 00:13:58,087 --> 00:13:59,714 - We have to remember, it's 1937, 315 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,216 so any aircraft that exists 316 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:04,552 during this time would not resemble this at all. 317 00:14:04,552 --> 00:14:07,930 - [Tony] That said, primitive rockets did exist. 318 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:10,224 - [MJ] On March 16th, 1926, 319 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:14,228 Robert Goddard launched the first rocket ever, 320 00:14:14,228 --> 00:14:17,148 this, basically, tube filled with fuel up into the air. 321 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:19,192 - [Tony] So it could be an early rocket 322 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:21,527 or an early UFO. 323 00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:23,780 - It's not until really the 1950s 324 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:27,784 that the word UFO is even used in popular culture. 325 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:31,162 So this is this classic UFO photo 326 00:14:31,162 --> 00:14:33,915 before UFOs were UFOs. 327 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:37,502 - [Tony] You might say the first Christmas UFO was the star 328 00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:40,171 of Bethlehem, which led the way 329 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:42,173 to Jesus's birthplace in the Book of Matthew. 330 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:46,302 Some believe that star may have been a supernova, 331 00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:48,971 but how about this Christmas anomaly? 332 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:51,140 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 333 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,643 Because of its shape, 334 00:14:53,643 --> 00:14:56,604 we start by considering an astronomical explanation. 335 00:14:56,604 --> 00:14:57,855 Could this be a meteor? 336 00:14:57,855 --> 00:14:59,982 - A meteor would be much smaller 337 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:02,068 than what you'd see on this right here. 338 00:15:02,068 --> 00:15:05,113 It'd be a blur, basically, in a camera, 339 00:15:05,113 --> 00:15:08,449 especially the camera back at this time period. 340 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:11,577 It would be probably just a streak if it were there at all. 341 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:14,705 - [Tony] What about an early rocket launch? 342 00:15:14,705 --> 00:15:17,125 - [Rich] It looks like it's got a front-leading edge 343 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,585 of something around it, 344 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:21,546 and then, it looks like that there's also 345 00:15:21,546 --> 00:15:23,089 some sort of a trail. 346 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:25,424 - [Tony] That more closely resembles a modern rocket, 347 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:27,927 not the primitive rockets of the time. 348 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:31,639 Since this is an old photo, could this just be an artifact 349 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,891 of the camera or film processing? 350 00:15:33,891 --> 00:15:36,686 - There is apparent degradation to the image 351 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:38,771 and a lot of bright spots. 352 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:41,023 So either it was photographed that way 353 00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:44,819 or the object was influencing that environment 354 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:47,572 in an overexposed, or too bright method 355 00:15:47,572 --> 00:15:49,031 that was overwhelming the film camera 356 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:51,325 when it was capturing that information. 357 00:15:51,325 --> 00:15:53,536 - [Tony] That might be an important hint, 358 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:56,455 because in 1937, a nighttime photograph 359 00:15:56,455 --> 00:15:59,333 would have required a longer exposure. 360 00:15:59,333 --> 00:16:01,669 That means the camera shutter is open longer 361 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:05,006 to allow more light to hit the film. 362 00:16:05,006 --> 00:16:10,469 So this overexposed nighttime photo must be a long exposure, 363 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:12,138 and that reveals something to us. 364 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:13,973 - [Michael] Typically with longer exposure, 365 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,267 if objects are moving throughout that scene, 366 00:16:16,267 --> 00:16:18,978 there are blurring artifacts that are created. 367 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,897 You typically see that with long exposure 368 00:16:20,897 --> 00:16:23,024 of like traffic with lighting. 369 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,026 So you see like the headlights are all smeared 370 00:16:25,026 --> 00:16:27,945 as it drives through the environment that it's in. 371 00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:29,947 - [Tony] Remember, Leonard told Deborah 372 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:32,909 the object flew horizontally and stopped. 373 00:16:32,909 --> 00:16:36,245 - So because this object is so clearly depicted, 374 00:16:36,245 --> 00:16:37,705 it would have to have been 375 00:16:37,705 --> 00:16:40,249 in that position for a longer period of time. 376 00:16:40,249 --> 00:16:43,711 - [Tony] So the photo matches his description of the event. 377 00:16:43,711 --> 00:16:47,089 - The eyewitness very well could have experienced this 378 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:48,674 in reality and captured it, 379 00:16:48,674 --> 00:16:51,344 but without additional information, no one can say 380 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:53,304 with a high degree of certainty. 381 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:55,056 - [Rich] I'm gonna say that if you want to call 382 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:58,059 that an unidentified flying object, you'd be right 383 00:16:58,059 --> 00:16:58,643 to be able to say something like that, 384 00:16:59,227 --> 00:17:00,061 to be able to say something like that, 385 00:17:00,061 --> 00:17:01,354 because it's unusual looking, 386 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,064 and it's unusual shape. 387 00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:06,025 But does it actually prove that it is a UFO? 388 00:17:07,859 --> 00:17:10,070 [keyboard clicking] [static hissing] 389 00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:14,367 - Our verdict? Unexplained. 390 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:17,369 While we are not ready to call this a genuine UFO, 391 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:20,748 we can't ignore the fact that the eyewitness testimony, 392 00:17:20,748 --> 00:17:24,292 even if secondhand, is consistent with the photo. 393 00:17:24,292 --> 00:17:25,836 Here's hoping that further evidence 394 00:17:25,836 --> 00:17:28,256 will one day present itself. 395 00:17:28,256 --> 00:17:31,050 And if extraterrestrials do celebrate, 396 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,302 we wish them a merry Christmas? 397 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:39,809 - Depending on which Bigfoot researcher you ask, 398 00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:42,186 the legendary beast could be up to 20 399 00:17:42,186 --> 00:17:46,023 or 30 times stronger than the average person. 400 00:17:46,023 --> 00:17:49,652 Keep that in mind as we investigate this next case. 401 00:17:50,987 --> 00:17:54,824 It allegedly begins in the wilds of the Canadian Rockies 402 00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:56,951 in Alberta, where hunters find 403 00:17:56,951 --> 00:18:00,663 what they think is a primitive shelter near their campsite. 404 00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:02,331 But on closer inspection, 405 00:18:02,331 --> 00:18:05,001 it seems more like a nest. 406 00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:07,878 - What really caught their attention were bones 407 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:10,131 associated with this location. 408 00:18:10,131 --> 00:18:12,466 The bones belong to a variety of animals, 409 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:15,219 but also, mixed in with these other bones, 410 00:18:15,219 --> 00:18:17,346 apparently, were human bones. 411 00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:19,807 - [Tony] As the story goes, 412 00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:21,934 they report the nest to law enforcement, 413 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,686 who investigate the scene, 414 00:18:23,686 --> 00:18:26,022 presumably collect the bones, and leave, 415 00:18:26,022 --> 00:18:27,982 putting up police tape. 416 00:18:27,982 --> 00:18:30,568 The hunters come back, apparently, sometime later, 417 00:18:30,568 --> 00:18:34,697 setting up a trail camera, and then, capturing this. 418 00:18:35,698 --> 00:18:37,116 Look behind the police tape 419 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,076 at what appears to be a dark figure 420 00:18:39,076 --> 00:18:40,870 among the foliage, 421 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:43,581 one that's about to make itself known. 422 00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:45,833 - The real showstopper of this video though 423 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:48,127 is the creature's apparent strength. 424 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:50,588 - [Tony] Whatever it is starts aggressively 425 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,882 tossing around trees. 426 00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:56,469 No small feet, and keep in mind, the ground is wet. 427 00:18:56,469 --> 00:19:01,098 - Wood, particularly damp wood, is quite heavy. 428 00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:02,808 But this figure seems to lift 429 00:19:02,808 --> 00:19:05,478 and fling these trees like they're toothpicks. 430 00:19:05,478 --> 00:19:07,104 [tree thudding] 431 00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:10,858 - [Tony] The video is posted online in November of 2023, 432 00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:13,319 and of course, it goes viral. 433 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:15,071 The hunters remain anonymous, 434 00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:17,114 but whoever they are, some believe 435 00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:19,992 they captured video of the mighty Sasquatch. 436 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,870 - People seem to be impressed by how it lines up 437 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:25,498 with the typical Sasquatch description, 438 00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:27,667 totally covered in hair, 439 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:29,669 dark in color, pretty wide and thick. 440 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:31,837 Perhaps that's musculature. 441 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:34,674 - [Tony] Sasquatch sightings date back 442 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,760 at least 300 years in North America. 443 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,887 And while most describe a shy creature, 444 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:43,599 some mention these kinds of hostile displays. 445 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:46,310 - In some cases, there seems to be some aggression, 446 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:49,063 like a Sasquatch chasing after a person, 447 00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:51,399 throwing rocks or breaking large trees 448 00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:53,693 as some sort of show of strength. 449 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,903 There's something there that they don't want you 450 00:19:55,903 --> 00:19:57,446 to have access to. 451 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,283 The only other naturally occurring animal 452 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:04,203 that this figure here could be confused for is a black bear. 453 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:07,123 But black bears don't really pick things up 454 00:20:07,123 --> 00:20:09,500 in their front paws and throw them about. 455 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,627 - [Tony] Bears also don't build nests 456 00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:14,213 like the one described in this story, 457 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:15,715 but Bigfoot might. 458 00:20:15,715 --> 00:20:19,009 This 2001 video, captured in the Marble Mountains, 459 00:20:19,009 --> 00:20:22,138 claims to show an actual Bigfoot nest. 460 00:20:22,138 --> 00:20:24,849 And according to researchers, this is common practice 461 00:20:24,849 --> 00:20:28,853 for the creature, as it is for most great apes. 462 00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:31,313 So what do our experts think? 463 00:20:31,313 --> 00:20:33,399 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 464 00:20:35,484 --> 00:20:37,945 - If this were a crime scene, it would be heavily monitored, 465 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:40,322 especially for something as serious 466 00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:43,325 as having human remains discovered. 467 00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:46,495 And it doesn't look like we're seeing that here. 468 00:20:46,495 --> 00:20:48,998 It looks like an abandoned, taped off area, 469 00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:51,709 which is something that anybody could do. 470 00:20:51,709 --> 00:20:53,169 - [Tony] Even stranger, 471 00:20:53,169 --> 00:20:56,088 there's no official record of the crime. 472 00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:58,257 And there are inconsistencies with the footage. 473 00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,675 - [Stephanie] The thing that's making me think 474 00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:02,595 that it's not caught on a trail camera is just 475 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:04,430 that it's missing the date and timestamp. 476 00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:06,974 But something that is really suspicious is 477 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:08,517 the video editing. 478 00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:13,397 Not only do you not see the Bigfoot enter the footage, 479 00:21:13,397 --> 00:21:15,983 but also, when it's moving the branches, 480 00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,110 there's some clear video edits. 481 00:21:19,737 --> 00:21:21,697 - [Tony] In addition, our experts agree 482 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:24,825 that the Bigfoot's behavior here seems peculiar. 483 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:27,495 Remember, it's supposedly trail cam footage. 484 00:21:27,495 --> 00:21:28,788 No humans are present. 485 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,373 - Generally, when an animal behaves this way, 486 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:33,709 there's an intention behind it, 487 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,213 but it doesn't kind of follow through with its display, 488 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:39,757 which could be construed as aggressive, 489 00:21:39,757 --> 00:21:43,344 but it doesn't seem to be reacting to anything. 490 00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:46,680 - Although these trees are tall, they're really thin, 491 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,558 and it looks like they're dead. 492 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:53,187 Even if these trees weren't dead, it is not improbable 493 00:21:53,187 --> 00:21:56,315 for a human to be able to lift something of this weight. 494 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:59,193 In fact, there are the Scottish Highland games 495 00:21:59,193 --> 00:22:01,445 where both men and women compete 496 00:22:01,445 --> 00:22:06,700 to lift large planks of tree wood called cabers, 497 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:09,620 and they flip them vertically. 498 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:13,457 So something like this is not superhuman strength. 499 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:15,876 - [Tony] But the deciding factor comes courtesy 500 00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:19,129 of this being 4K footage. 501 00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:20,673 We zoomed in on the creature. 502 00:22:20,673 --> 00:22:22,299 - [Stephanie] When we zoom in on this, 503 00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:25,052 the face looks exactly like a human face, 504 00:22:25,052 --> 00:22:26,971 just painted in a different color. 505 00:22:26,971 --> 00:22:29,807 You can clearly make out two eyes, a nose, 506 00:22:29,807 --> 00:22:32,810 nothing about this is distinct from a human face. 507 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,979 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 508 00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:39,525 - [Tony] Our verdict, this is a hoax. 509 00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:41,151 It's one of those videos 510 00:22:41,151 --> 00:22:44,405 that proves nothing more than the old adage, 511 00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:47,241 if it seems too good to be true, it probably is, 512 00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:49,368 especially in the Bigfoot community. 513 00:22:51,328 --> 00:22:54,790 Now, we're moving from terror in the woods 514 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:56,333 to terror in the suburbs. 515 00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:58,878 The Amityville Horror is one 516 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,421 of the most famous haunted house stories 517 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:03,716 in American history, inspiring books and films 518 00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:06,510 with at least 45 sequels and counting. 519 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:10,014 Believers say it is not all fiction. 520 00:23:10,014 --> 00:23:13,183 And this famous photograph is their proof. 521 00:23:14,685 --> 00:23:18,230 It's 1974 in Amityville, Long Island. 522 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:21,400 Inside this charming Dutch colonial home, 523 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,611 a horrific crime is committed. 524 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:28,532 - On the evening of November 13th, 1974, 525 00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:33,579 Ronald DeFeo Jr. brutally murdered his entire family, 526 00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:37,374 two sisters, two brothers, both parents. 527 00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:39,543 It haunted, first, the community, 528 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:42,129 then, the entire nation. 529 00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:46,592 - [Tony] At his trial, DeFeo claims sinister voices told him 530 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,385 to murder his family. 531 00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:53,057 In 1975, the Lutz family moves into the same house. 532 00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:56,143 They claim it has unexplained cold spots. 533 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,811 When a priest blesses the home, 534 00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:02,107 they say an unseen voice whispers, "Get out." 535 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,985 The Lutz's report terrifying ghost encounters 536 00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:07,738 and flee the house after just a month. 537 00:24:07,738 --> 00:24:11,784 Their experiences are the basis for the best-selling book. 538 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,160 After they leave, 539 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,788 paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren 540 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,790 are called in to check out the house. 541 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:20,125 They're joined by their colleague, Paul Bartz, 542 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,752 and a photographer. 543 00:24:21,752 --> 00:24:25,673 The team sets up an automatic infrared camera upstairs, 544 00:24:25,673 --> 00:24:29,510 and overnight, it captures this unsettling image. 545 00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:36,266 - If you look at that photo, it's obviously a child. 546 00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:39,687 The level of the child is at the doorknob. 547 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:41,939 It's too small to be an adult. 548 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:45,693 And there were no children in that house that day. 549 00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:50,114 My grandfather said, "You can see, the eyes are glowing." 550 00:24:50,114 --> 00:24:51,740 - [Tony] Take another look. 551 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:56,161 Some say this isn't just any little boy, it's a ghost. 552 00:24:56,161 --> 00:25:00,082 - True believers speculate that the image in the photo is 553 00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:03,585 that of John DeFeo, one of the younger brothers 554 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:04,795 who was murdered. 555 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:09,425 - [Chris] To me, it looks like John DeFeo. 556 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:13,303 There is something horrifying that has manifested there. 557 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:18,350 When trauma takes place in a home like this, 558 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:21,020 it can take on a life of its own. 559 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:24,106 It can become something destructive, like a poltergeist. 560 00:25:24,106 --> 00:25:26,275 And I believe that's what was taking place 561 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:28,235 in the Amityville horror. 562 00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:35,242 - In 2005, Lorraine Warren told a reporter that in 54 years 563 00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:37,870 of working paranormal investigations, 564 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:42,624 no case affected her and Ed as deeply as Amityville. 565 00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:45,627 But is this evidence they captured on camera 566 00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,421 the real deal? 567 00:25:47,421 --> 00:25:49,798 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 568 00:25:51,425 --> 00:25:54,094 - Everything I'm seeing in the photo does indicate 569 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:56,013 this took place in camera. 570 00:25:56,013 --> 00:25:58,348 I don't see overt evidence 571 00:25:58,348 --> 00:26:00,559 that this was manipulated in any way. 572 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,561 - [Tony] Does that mean we're looking 573 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,189 at the spirit of John DeFeo? 574 00:26:05,189 --> 00:26:07,149 - There are photographs of John DeFeo 575 00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:10,861 that somewhat resemble what we see in the image here. 576 00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:12,613 But I think if you look at it closely, 577 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:15,282 like, it's really just a superficial resemblance. 578 00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:17,743 If you put the two images side by side, one thing 579 00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:20,996 that really kind of conflates the comparison there is 580 00:26:20,996 --> 00:26:23,832 these highlights that are over the eyes. 581 00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:25,084 Now, from a distance, 582 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:28,045 it looks like these ghostly glowing eyes. 583 00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:31,215 But when you get a lot closer, they don't really appear 584 00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:33,717 to be exactly where the eyes are. 585 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,345 I think a more likely explanation is 586 00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:37,679 that these white lights 587 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,681 that we see in the image are actually reflections 588 00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:43,060 of the infrared lamp off the glasses of the person 589 00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:44,520 who was in the photograph. 590 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,731 - [Tony] So who or what are we looking at here? 591 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:50,776 - [Mick] The most likely candidate is Paul Bartz. 592 00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:54,029 He was someone who was around the house at that time. 593 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:56,740 He's the person who I think just fits physically the best 594 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:57,991 for what we see there. 595 00:26:57,991 --> 00:27:00,661 And we can see very similar nose 596 00:27:00,661 --> 00:27:02,746 and very similar small mouth. 597 00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:06,416 The eyes hidden behind the glasses here. 598 00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:09,503 Very similar hairline on this side and on this side. 599 00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:13,841 And if we were to just to kind of take out his eyes here, 600 00:27:13,841 --> 00:27:16,635 because he's wearing glasses, you can't really argue 601 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:17,970 that these aren't, you know, 602 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:21,223 almost identical looking parts of the face. 603 00:27:21,223 --> 00:27:23,225 I think people interpret this as a child simply 604 00:27:23,225 --> 00:27:25,477 because it's low down, behind the banister. 605 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,146 And a simple explanation is someone 606 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,148 who is just kneeling down, trying to stay out 607 00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:31,692 of the shot of the camera. 608 00:27:31,692 --> 00:27:33,026 I am about 98% certain that this image here is, 609 00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:36,530 I am about 98% certain that this image here is, 610 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:38,115 in fact, this person here. 611 00:27:39,783 --> 00:27:41,910 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 612 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:45,664 - Our verdict? 613 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:48,292 We're calling this a living person. 614 00:27:48,292 --> 00:27:49,918 The Warrens, for their part, 615 00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:53,046 never commented on the Paul Bartz theory. 616 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,133 And 50 years later, some still claim the house is haunted. 617 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,181 - The blockbuster film "Inception" is set in a world 618 00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:06,393 where people can enter each other's dreams. 619 00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:08,353 Well, our next story suggests 620 00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,899 that this concept might be more than movie magic. 621 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,485 It's October of 2025 in Los Angeles 622 00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:18,864 and actress Tara Rule has a good guess about 623 00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:21,116 what will happen when she goes to bed. 624 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,619 Almost every night since she was a child, 625 00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:27,164 Tara's dreamt of an elaborate mall complex. 626 00:28:27,164 --> 00:28:31,501 - [Tara] Initially, it was confined to a mall 627 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:33,545 that also was a school. 628 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:38,592 And over the last, you know, 30 years of my life, 629 00:28:38,592 --> 00:28:41,803 the world has kind of expanded. 630 00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:45,599 I eventually started to just draw out 631 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,602 maps of this world in hopes 632 00:28:48,602 --> 00:28:51,480 that it would stop the dreams. 633 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,232 - [Tony] This routine helps for a while, 634 00:28:54,232 --> 00:28:57,569 until Tara sees a post from a stranger named Jessica Tilton, 635 00:28:57,569 --> 00:29:02,282 who lives more than 1,300 miles away in San Antonio, Texas. 636 00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:04,284 Turns out, Jessica made a map 637 00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:06,995 of her own recurring dream world. 638 00:29:06,995 --> 00:29:09,122 - I post a lot of things on my TikTok on a whim. 639 00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:11,625 I was like, "Guys, I go to Mall World every night. 640 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:14,378 Here's my sketch of it. I'm drawing a map." 641 00:29:14,378 --> 00:29:16,421 And it just immediately started getting traction. 642 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:18,548 And after that, it just kept blowing up. 643 00:29:18,548 --> 00:29:20,968 - [Tony] The similarities are uncanny. 644 00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,260 Look for yourself. 645 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,388 You can see the same landmarks populating 646 00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,098 the two dream worlds. 647 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:29,768 An impending tsunami, a rollercoaster like highway, 648 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,353 waterfront buildings, 649 00:29:31,353 --> 00:29:35,482 and of course, that mall school complex right in the middle. 650 00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:38,402 And the reason Jessica's post gains such traction is 651 00:29:38,402 --> 00:29:41,321 because many others claim to enter Mall World 652 00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:42,823 when they go to sleep. 653 00:29:42,823 --> 00:29:47,536 - Mall World began as a somewhat underground theme, 654 00:29:47,536 --> 00:29:52,290 but since 2021, its subreddit has amassed 655 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:54,459 well over 40,000 followers. 656 00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:56,920 It wouldn't surprise me if you add a zero 657 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,797 to that in the near future. 658 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:02,217 It's been the subject of articles from Forbes, 659 00:30:02,217 --> 00:30:04,136 to the New York Times. 660 00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:07,305 - [Tony] One theory is that Mall World is an example 661 00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:09,850 of the collective unconscious. 662 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,227 Psychiatrist Carl Jung proposed this theory 663 00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,062 in the early 20th century. 664 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:17,774 It's the idea that all of us inherit certain symbols, 665 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:19,985 images, and archetypes at birth, 666 00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:22,195 patterns we unconsciously tap into 667 00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:24,197 throughout our lives. 668 00:30:24,197 --> 00:30:26,950 But it may not be all sweet dreams. 669 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:29,161 - There's a longstanding fear 670 00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:32,831 that symbols or archetypes could be used 671 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,877 to manipulate the collective unconscious. 672 00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:40,130 Some people who have provided some 673 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,800 of the most vivid Mall World narratives vocally worry 674 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,428 that they might have been part 675 00:30:46,428 --> 00:30:48,221 of a government program, either as kids, 676 00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:52,225 or perhaps today, to hack into dreams, 677 00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:54,603 to influence behavior. 678 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:59,483 - In 2024, in an experiment conducted 679 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:02,402 by the tech startup, REMspace, 680 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,154 two participants in separate, 681 00:31:04,154 --> 00:31:07,783 induced, lucid dreams exchanged a word 682 00:31:07,783 --> 00:31:09,242 from one person to the other. 683 00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:10,994 This marked the first ever recorded 684 00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:13,705 dream-to-dream communication. 685 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:17,209 So if that's possible, is it really impossible 686 00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:21,546 that thousands of people dream of the same Mall World? 687 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,799 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 688 00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:27,010 - The comparison between these two maps 689 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,596 wouldn't pass scientific peer review. 690 00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:31,598 They are qualitatively maybe similar, 691 00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:33,683 but I can point out features 692 00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,520 that are in completely different locations. 693 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,188 It says airport this way. 694 00:31:38,188 --> 00:31:40,732 Over here, the airport is over there. 695 00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,442 Here, I see factory. 696 00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,444 You could claim it's the same as warehouse. 697 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:47,072 Those are not synonymous to me in any way. 698 00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,575 So even without going into some sort of mathematical 699 00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,744 or statistical analysis, we can see 700 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,163 that these are not the same map. 701 00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:57,499 - [Tony] Even if the maps aren't identical, 702 00:31:57,499 --> 00:32:01,253 what explains the scale of the Mall World phenomenon? 703 00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:05,132 Is it proof of clandestine government experimentation, 704 00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:07,008 or is this all in our heads? 705 00:32:07,008 --> 00:32:10,387 - A social contagion may be part of this, 706 00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:13,306 where once one person shares their story, 707 00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:16,184 it's gonna go viral, and now, we cannot trust 708 00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:18,186 any additional stories. 709 00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:21,314 This could lead to more people dreaming of this world, 710 00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,483 not for some exotic reason, 711 00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:26,069 but because they heard about it already on the internet. 712 00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:28,029 - You can also ask, why malls? 713 00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:30,115 What is it about malls that people are dreaming of? 714 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:33,160 Well, they're a cultural symbol. 715 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,078 I mean, they're kind of ubiquitous across the globe. 716 00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:37,998 - [Matthew] Maybe the ancient Greeks had a shared dream 717 00:32:37,998 --> 00:32:41,710 about the Parthenon, or perhaps, there was a shared dream 718 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:44,504 among ancient Egyptians of the pyramids. 719 00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:46,131 And maybe Mall World is 720 00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:48,967 just the contemporary version of that. 721 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:52,679 - It makes sense that a mall would be the perfect symbol 722 00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:55,223 or shared space, where someone might have kind 723 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,767 of a collective unconscious experience. 724 00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:00,812 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clacking] 725 00:33:02,772 --> 00:33:03,940 - Our verdict? 726 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:06,943 Mall World remains unexplained. 727 00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:09,154 Even if social contagion 728 00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:11,198 can explain many of the cases, 729 00:33:11,198 --> 00:33:14,284 some of the oral accounts are still too compelling to ignore 730 00:33:14,284 --> 00:33:16,578 until we get more evidence. 731 00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:20,665 And as it turns out, one of our very own proof staffers 732 00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:23,293 goes to Mall World at night. 733 00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:24,669 Sweet dreams, Brian. 734 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:30,675 - Our next story features a superhuman feat 735 00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:33,386 that goes back more than a century. 736 00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:36,514 But to this day, it is still a mystery 737 00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:38,558 that punches above its weight. 738 00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:42,354 February 14th, 1921, Paris, France. 739 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,522 Former bantamweight boxing champion, 740 00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:47,943 Johnny Coulon, weighing in at just 110 pounds, 741 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:50,862 takes a strange act to the vaudeville stage. 742 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,114 - Johnny Coulon's act was so amazing 743 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:54,741 that it earned him the reputation of 744 00:33:54,741 --> 00:33:55,075 that it earned him the reputation of 745 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:56,743 the unliftable man. 746 00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,203 I can just imagine 747 00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:00,413 what it must have been like when Johnny Coulon 748 00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:01,915 was out there doing that act. 749 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:03,833 Oh, the audience must have been nuts. 750 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,878 - [Tony] Determined to uncover the secret, 751 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,297 a newsreel crew sets up an experiment 752 00:34:09,297 --> 00:34:10,924 with a Swiss weightlifter, 753 00:34:10,924 --> 00:34:12,884 and this is the footage they capture. 754 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:16,513 The weightlifter tries to lift Coulon, 755 00:34:16,513 --> 00:34:18,889 but can't budge him, as Coulon seems 756 00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:20,350 to simply apply pressure 757 00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,226 to the man's wrist and neck. 758 00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:24,603 - There was a lot of word out on Johnny 759 00:34:24,603 --> 00:34:27,315 that there was some sort of electrical current 760 00:34:27,315 --> 00:34:29,025 he could control in his body 761 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,820 and even push it out on the other people, 762 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:34,739 and that would be the reason why he couldn't be moved. 763 00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:37,324 - [Tony] Even legendary boxer, Muhammad Ali, 764 00:34:37,324 --> 00:34:40,661 tried his hand at lifting Coulon in 1961, 765 00:34:40,661 --> 00:34:43,039 but the champ was defeated. 766 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,250 So what's the secret here? 767 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,835 Well, a rumor circulates 768 00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:50,463 that Coulon picked up this power traveling in the far east. 769 00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,632 - There are those who believe that Coulon may have learned 770 00:34:53,632 --> 00:34:56,761 to harness the mysterious force 771 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,347 known as Chi in East Asia. 772 00:34:59,347 --> 00:35:01,641 It's known as the vital energy 773 00:35:01,641 --> 00:35:03,852 that animates all things 774 00:35:03,852 --> 00:35:07,355 and even a potential source of power. 775 00:35:08,315 --> 00:35:10,650 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 776 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,779 - [Tony] So let's see what our experts make of all this. 777 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:19,117 First, did Coulon really travel to Asia to master Chi? 778 00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,119 - In my research, it looks like he traveled 779 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,954 to the United States and Europe. 780 00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,415 There's no evidence that he spent any time in India, 781 00:35:25,415 --> 00:35:29,169 Japan, or Asia, where he would've learned the practice 782 00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:30,754 and the art of Chi. 783 00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:33,965 - [Tony] But is it possible that he wields 784 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:36,217 some kind of electrical power? 785 00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:39,179 - [Lisa] If there was any kind of electrical shock being given, 786 00:35:39,179 --> 00:35:42,849 you would see the recoil of the body being tossed. 787 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:45,769 You would see seizure or tremor activity. 788 00:35:45,769 --> 00:35:48,188 You may even see the patient become unconscious, 789 00:35:48,188 --> 00:35:50,607 but we don't see any of that here. 790 00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:51,983 I highly doubt that there's any electricity 791 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,528 or electric shock or any energy being transmitted. 792 00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,322 - [Tony] So what's really going on? 793 00:35:57,322 --> 00:36:00,450 - The eye is drawn to that finger stuck into the neck. 794 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,535 And so, it appears like he's pressing 795 00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:04,704 against the man's vagus nerve. 796 00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:07,165 - [Lisa] By pushing on this nerve, 797 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,750 you would definitely slow down the heart rate, 798 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:11,294 decrease the amount of blood going up to the brain, 799 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,380 and this would make someone feel weaker. 800 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,131 But this is not the piece that's causing him 801 00:36:15,131 --> 00:36:16,675 to be unable to lift. 802 00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:19,052 - If you want to lift something heavy, you bring it in close 803 00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:21,596 to your body, put it near your center of mass, 804 00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:22,931 and that allows you 805 00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,558 to lift heavy objects with the most leverage. 806 00:36:25,558 --> 00:36:28,853 But Coulon here keeps himself at arm's length. 807 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:31,815 He's pressed away from the muscle man. 808 00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:33,775 By being a distance, right, 809 00:36:33,775 --> 00:36:36,444 you become effectively heavier 810 00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,530 because, you know, your elbow is a pivot, 811 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:41,783 and so you are increasing the torque 812 00:36:41,783 --> 00:36:44,327 or the rotational force downward, 813 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:45,912 given your body weight. 814 00:36:45,912 --> 00:36:48,707 - [Tony] Watch, when Coulon repositions himself later 815 00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:50,500 in the demonstration, 816 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,752 the Swiss athlete lifts him with ease. 817 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:55,505 - The key to being a good trickster isn't just being able 818 00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:56,881 to pull off the stunt, 819 00:36:56,881 --> 00:37:00,719 but being able to hide exactly how the stunt works. 820 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,389 So here, the eye is drawn to that finger stuck 821 00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:06,808 into the neck, but that's not what's going on. 822 00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:08,435 It's all leverage. 823 00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:10,687 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clicking] 824 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,983 - Our verdict? Leverage. 825 00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:18,153 Even if he didn't wield superpowers, 826 00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:21,531 Coulon remained a superstar in his hometown of Chicago, 827 00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:24,451 where he ran a boxing gym for over 50 years. 828 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,498 [dramatic music] 829 00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:32,876 - [Tony] We have new developments 830 00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:34,669 in a story we first brought to you 831 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:36,588 in a previous season. 832 00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:38,548 Our team investigated this broadcast 833 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:41,092 from a mysterious shortwave radio station, 834 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:45,680 known by the call sign, UVB-76, which became known 835 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,890 as the Buzzer. 836 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:48,725 [buzzer sounds] 837 00:37:48,725 --> 00:37:51,311 The monotonous repetitive sound had been on air 838 00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:54,147 from the late '70s into the 21st century 839 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,150 before it finally fell silent in 2010. 840 00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,902 Occasionally, it was interrupted 841 00:37:58,902 --> 00:38:00,695 by a voice speaking Russian. 842 00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:04,949 We spoke to an anonymous investigator 843 00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:07,535 who became obsessed with finding its source. 844 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:16,669 - [Tony] Many believed the buzzer 845 00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:19,631 could be connected to so-called numbers stations, 846 00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:23,259 radio broadcasts that date back to World War I 847 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:26,012 and became increasingly common during the Cold War. 848 00:38:26,012 --> 00:38:28,973 - A numbers station is a shortwave radio broadcast 849 00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:31,226 that transmits coded sequences, 850 00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:33,228 usually spoken numbers, 851 00:38:33,228 --> 00:38:35,313 used by intelligence agencies 852 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,524 to send secret messages to spies. 853 00:38:37,524 --> 00:38:39,108 - [Tony] Others suggested 854 00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:41,653 it was connected to a nuclear deterrence system, 855 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,947 known as a dead hand switch. 856 00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:49,160 - The theory is that if Russia is attacked and decimated, 857 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,578 the buzzer stops, 858 00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:54,290 and then, nuclear weapons are automatically deployed 859 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:56,292 in retaliation to the West. 860 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,503 - [Tony] Our experts initially dismissed 861 00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:00,880 that doomsday scenario. 862 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,216 - [Tim] In 2010, the signal ceased. 863 00:39:03,216 --> 00:39:05,927 Very fortunately, we didn't see the launch of any missiles. 864 00:39:05,927 --> 00:39:07,512 We didn't see apocalypse. 865 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:13,518 - Our initial verdict was 866 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:17,063 that the buzzer was probably a Russian numbers station, 867 00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,691 but there was a lot that wasn't clear. 868 00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:21,651 And now, there's a new development. 869 00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:23,361 The buzzer is back. 870 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:27,407 - So in addition to the characteristic buzzer sound 871 00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:30,159 that is broadcast on this particular channel, 872 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,788 there have also been spoken words in Russian. 873 00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:35,832 - [Tony] That part, we can at least translate. 874 00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:44,841 - [Tony] But the rest remains an enigma. 875 00:39:44,841 --> 00:39:47,552 - [Rob] There's often another sequence of characters 876 00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:50,555 or numbers that could indicate a postal code 877 00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:53,266 or a zip code type of piece of information. 878 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:05,862 - [Tony] So the message is a mystery. 879 00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:07,196 But what about the messengers? 880 00:40:07,196 --> 00:40:10,575 - [Rob] On September 9th, 2025, which was just a day 881 00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:13,786 before Russian drones invaded Polish airspace, 882 00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:16,164 there was an increase in activity on this channel. 883 00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:18,041 It seems that there may be indications 884 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:21,294 that Russia is actively managing and using this channel. 885 00:40:32,555 --> 00:40:34,349 [suspenseful music] [keyboard clacking] 886 00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:39,312 - So we are standing by our original verdict. 887 00:40:39,312 --> 00:40:41,731 We think the new buzzer is likely 888 00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:44,484 a reactivated Russian numbers station. 889 00:40:44,484 --> 00:40:46,986 We still don't know what its messages mean, 890 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:49,739 and that may be exactly the point. 891 00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:50,990 That's our show for tonight. 892 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:53,117 Thank you so much for watching. 893 00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,828 And as always, keep those cameras rolling. 894 00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:57,872 [dramatic music] 70734

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