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So, Jacques Derrida just arrived.
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Here I am now,
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in the bizarre role
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of the radio presenter.
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He is greeting everyone,
you don’t see him here he is,
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now you should see him,
he must be on the screen.
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We are in two rooms.
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-Two rooms?
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-So, I’ll tell you,
we have an issue.
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You have to go to both sides,
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and in fact
what I was thinking of doing…
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what I thought I would do, is...
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First,
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from the bottom of their hearts, everyone thanks you
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for being here,
for us it is a joy,
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and since we are in two rooms
it is very cruel,
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but I am dividing
the cruelty in two parts,
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we'll go to the other room,
so that you will see it
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and they will see you in the flesh,
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because, really…
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Here, wait,
I’ll go along with you.
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Ok, wait.
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I don’t know which side it is.
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Those are his comments
about my own text, you see.
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What’s intriguing is that
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you try to read, and the words are precisely about “seeing.”
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That's the other side.
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“I write this while flying over
the Cordillera of the Andes...”
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“Snowy.” “Snowy.”
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So, you received this?
Or did he hand it to you in person?
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He gave it to me.
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But he told me not to open it.
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This is his.
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Of course, he chose this, you see.
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So that's one.
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That’s...
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another one.
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Double-sided.
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Listen to this:
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“Create more wavy sentences,
less assertive narration”
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Do you remember the way you read it?
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How I read it?
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Well, you know,
I didn’t even know that I had it.
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Because I have a lot of stuff, you know.
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I have lots of beautiful things here.
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But you know, when you are living
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you don’t really try to keep or consume.
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So everything I have
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is here in drawers
and I never attempted to, to…
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It’s pell-mell in my drawers,
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and it’s by pure chance that, once,
I opened one of my countless drawers
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and found this, that I had
completely forgotten. Because,
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again, when you’re living
you’re not keeping.
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At least, you never think about keeping.
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It’s kept, it keeps itself without…
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a very free motion without…
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I tell you, I had completely forgotten it,
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like many other things
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because if I had kept track of it,
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it would have been funerary,
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when in fact it was anything but that.
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That’s always the basic paradox
of the secret. If you keep it,
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it is so well kept that it becomes pointless, as a “secret for yourself.”
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To the contrary, if you divulge it,
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it’s lost.
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If you project yourself
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in this ideal human configuration
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that when you die,
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there’s a testamentary executor
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who is in your trace,
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who loves the same things you do,
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who trembles before
living documents that pulsate,
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someone who sees
how the heart of the text beats, etc.,
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in this configuration, the successors
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can bring these beauties to light,
they can...
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but the problem is
that it never happens!
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There is no succession.
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But you know there are treasures here. So sometimes, I tell myself...
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That’s what I say, you can believe me. That’s all.
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In the history of what I have written,
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I very quickly felt that
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everything I was writing
was related to death,
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that it was death
that brought me literature.
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It started with my father,
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and then for years and years,
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I cultivated death,
I cultivated the dead and death.
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And anyway it was my lot.
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And with time,
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I began to say to myself,
but it was rather late,
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I must have been writing for 20 years,
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questioning,
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and finally, feeling uneasy
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and anxious that
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I was free to write
because my father was dead!
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There was this absolute taboo
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regarding the treatment
of living beings in literature.
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it was a taboo that I respected.
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Never touch the living,
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so that the dead were dead,
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and the living were dead too
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since they weren’t present in my writing.
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When my father died,
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very brutally,
and when I was 11, 10 years old,
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he disappeared.
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As my mother put it, “poof” and...
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I couldn’t bear it.
I couldn’t understand it
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because they loved each other,
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they were a happy, joyful couple.
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And so I shook my mother, like that!
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I grabbed her, shook her,
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I said “but, but tell me!”…
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she was… there was nothing more. Nothing more.
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And I couldn’t bear it
when I was that age.
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Later,
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I loved my mother for that,
I loved her tenderly,
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telling myself that…,
when I finally understood
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what my mother
never explained to me, of course,
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I told myself that it was terrible,
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the fact that my father
had to be replaced by such a tomb.
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And... that’s how it was.
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I was born in Algeria
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I was born in Algeria
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When people ask me,
I say, I was born in Algeria.
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For me, this remains a pronouncement
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that is both true and mysterious.
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But, I wasn’t born “from” Algeria.
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I was born in Algeria
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with an over-determination
that was inscribed.
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It was written that I would leave Algeria.
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That Algeria was not mine, and that
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I was assigned to Algeria,
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only in a partial, complex manner,
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as one belongs to a native land.
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This is also an extraordinary mystery.
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At the same time,
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because my mother is from Germany
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and I was raised in an environment
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that was
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German speaking
and filled with German culture,
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I also felt that I was born of Germany,
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of a Germany
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that I had never set foot in…
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whence my mom
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and her family had been able to
extricate themselves...
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whence my mother had to escape...
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As soon as she witnessed Hitler’s rise,
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she fled.
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But then, one must bear in mind that
I was not French.
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But that I had two countries
that contain “Ger-”.
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And that suited me,
because I thought,
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we say “ger”
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and then,
depending on the moment, it'll be
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Al-GER-ia” or “GER-many.”
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One contained the other,
or was superimposed.
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And what’s more,
I had discovered a trick:
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“Oran,” my birthplace,
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anagrammatically, was contained
within “Osnabrück,”
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my mother's hometown,
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so I thought, that's how I was born,
Oran in Osnabrück.
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I had barely learned how to walk when, with the anti-Semitic laws of Vichy,
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we were thrown out
of French nationality.
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My father was prohibited
from practicing medicine
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and I wasn’t allowed
to go to school, etc.,
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all of these anti-Jewish laws.
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This was a formative experience.
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Later, it's:
“Okay, the Americans are coming,
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you can go back to school.”
But you’re being stared at!
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Why feel the slightest resentment?
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That wouldn’t make sense.
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World history, the history of humanity,
is made up of events of this kind.
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It’s made up of losses,
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expulsions,
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these are widespread experiences.
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It follows that
I cannot tell myself the fable
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that I have a stable French identity.
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Now the French state,
through its administrative procedures,
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never misses an opportunity
to remind me of this fact.
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“I am a French writer,
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and I’ll let you handle
the messy paperwork!”
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I remain undocumented,
with no passport,
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it just takes me years to renew it!
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So this fantasy of a “pure race”
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is something that exasperates me.
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That’s why I am always very happy
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to be suspected
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and denounced as not-quite-French.
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Let’s pick one, randomly,
as if I was playing cards:
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this one I draw,
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features my father, he’s young,
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on the balcony in Oran.
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I observe him with curiosity
because of his anatomy,
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because he was a man
who was so very thin.
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At the same time, he was very elegant.
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This is a delicious photo
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of my mother and my aunt
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in Osnabrück.
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I cannot see the details.
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My impression is that it may be...
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may be in Strasbourg.
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These are pretty photos.
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This is… here, it’s noted
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in my mother’s handwriting,
which didn’t change.
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From 1938, when she wrote this,
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until the end of her life,
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she wrote in exactly the same way.
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And it’s written: “Hélène enjoying
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her first birthday on the 5th”...
This is interesting:
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“5 Juni,
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1937”.
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She slipped
from one language to another.
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Which means that at that moment,
her French was not yet
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dominant and inscribed.
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That’s Hélène enjoying her first birthday.
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That’s another photo
where we were still very young.
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It looks like I was two years old,
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on the balcony,
in Oran, there's my father,
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mother and us.
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What I saw from the balcony
of Philippe street in Oran
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appeared in a very theatrical structure.
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Our balcony
went to the edge of the street,
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to the corner of the Place d’Armes.
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This location was where the whole history of Oran was taking place.
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And so,
we saw everything, all the time.
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To the right, there was a theater.
In the front was the City hall.
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To the left was the military
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and in this square,
there was always,
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throughout my childhood,
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the army. Always.
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I saw, I don’t know how many parades…
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before the war,
the parades of the Zouaves,
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and then, all of the armies involved
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in the Second World War:
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the Petainist parades,
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then, the arrival
of the Americans in 1942.
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This is a cute photo,
when we were at the beach.
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We were still happy:
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“baby...” Like my mother wrote
- ah no, this is my grandmother!
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My grandmother, Omi, wrote
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“Baby, fast drei Monate alt,”
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almost three months old.
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Baby, that’s me,
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almost three months.
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And they were still happy,
they were at the beach,
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since it was before the war.
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This is a photo of Omi my grandma. Young Omi.
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Rosalie, Rosie.
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Isn’t she beautiful?
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She is a totally free woman.
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And to whom I… I woke up late
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and I don’t know,
when she lived among us, one day,
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I told her, like that,
I went to her room and asked her
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“Omi, do you believe in God?”
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She said “of course not!”
“Natürlich nicht, are you kidding?”
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I said, “I suspected that!
But then why did you introduce us
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to the Jewish religion, to its rites?”
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She told me, “Because it’s beautiful.
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Because my parents believed
and I am loyal to their beliefs.
258
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Buy I don't have the faith."
259
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So with that momentum, I asked her,
260
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“Did you have any Kümmerer?”
261
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This means lovers.
262
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“Natürlich! Natürlich!”
263
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“I had to have some lovers, just a few!”
264
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What was funny, it was...
265
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only when I became a woman
that I realized that she was a woman,
266
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and not only my grandmother.
267
00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:54,874
So, she had extremely funny stories.
268
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There was never any hostile speech.
269
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My mother and grandmother
did not raise me
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to be a Germanophobe. Not at all.
271
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There was a great, terrible schism
272
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with the Nazis/the Germans.
273
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And of course,
France played the most terrible role
274
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throughout my childhood years.
275
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And that is ineffaceable.
276
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That's Marga and her brother.
277
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Who died too.
278
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All these photos are of Marga.
279
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There, that’s my mother.
280
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Arthur Baruth.
281
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He has become a legendary figure
282
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I introduced him into many of my texts.
283
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He was a rabbi who had lost his faith!
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The poor substitute rabbi of Osnabrück,
285
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who died from losing his faith!
286
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He had to be a rabbi
to make a living,
287
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he couldn’t do anything else
as he was too kind,
288
00:24:33,848 --> 00:24:36,017
but he didn’t believe in God…
289
00:24:36,434 --> 00:24:38,812
And he was madly in love
with my mother.
290
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"My Dear Eve,
291
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“To you, my Eve,
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the best of me,
293
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nothing,
294
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neither destiny,
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nor pain,
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can separate us,
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I will always be near you.
298
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I will always be, entirely, your Arthur.”
299
00:25:07,841 --> 00:25:09,884
And she never loved him.
300
00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:15,223
He was a good-natured gentleman...
301
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,146
who lost touch with reality
302
00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:23,940
because when he had
to preach at the synagogue,
303
00:25:24,232 --> 00:25:26,901
he began to stammer
and he forgot everything!
304
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:30,196
Because God was whipping him!
305
00:25:35,243 --> 00:25:39,039
Everything is always autobiographical, but what does that mean?
306
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I tend, “I” refers to you, me, we,
307
00:25:46,629 --> 00:25:49,341
tend to privilege,
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to save,
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to raise, or to lower,
310
00:25:55,013 --> 00:26:00,143
finally, we “edit” reality,
all the time, permanently.
311
00:26:26,294 --> 00:26:28,171
The sweeper passes the broom,
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between the living and the dying,
313
00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:33,677
life wipes away death,
314
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:35,970
the broomstick run
along the edge of the end,
315
00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:38,431
sniffing the flush on the ground.
It’s skinny,
316
00:26:38,682 --> 00:26:41,935
it's all that remains of a flexible broom.
317
00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:46,356
As you know,
the broom is a broom shrub.
318
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It’s an example:
Today we're going to do some Cézanne.
319
00:27:38,283 --> 00:27:41,745
Do you remember your first time,
when you first discovered Paris?
320
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:43,329
Oh, it was atrocious!
321
00:27:43,872 --> 00:27:46,499
I was 18
and I had just gotten married.
322
00:27:47,042 --> 00:27:51,588
I suffered terribly, terribly.
323
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,507
I hated it.
324
00:27:55,383 --> 00:27:57,844
I felt completely foreign,
in every aspect.
325
00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:00,138
I couldn’t stand Parisian buildings.
326
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:04,017
I found it incredible
that there was red carpet on the stairs.
327
00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,144
But I came from Algeria,
you understand!
328
00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:09,439
I said to myself, “I can’t believe it!
How do these people live?!”
329
00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:11,900
I found it stuffy, ugly.
330
00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:15,195
The city hadn’t been cleaned up yet.
331
00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:18,907
It was dark.
Everything was dark, and dirty,
332
00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:22,118
and unbreathable, and mean.
333
00:28:23,286 --> 00:28:26,331
I absolutely revolted against Paris.
334
00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:31,670
I thought the monuments...
I was missing the ocean.
335
00:28:34,923 --> 00:28:37,425
It was my first time in France.
336
00:28:38,843 --> 00:28:43,640
And the only thing I could throw myself into was the Sorbonne.
337
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:50,605
And, so, here,
we’ll pass by the Sorbonne,
338
00:28:51,606 --> 00:28:53,900
and that’s how I met Derrida.
339
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,404
When I was 18.
I walked into an auditorium,
340
00:28:57,987 --> 00:28:59,698
and that was it.
341
00:29:02,158 --> 00:29:04,953
As I recounted and as he wrote,
342
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:09,124
I sat in this lecture hall which also appeared to me as the supreme horror,
343
00:29:09,332 --> 00:29:11,418
because it looked like a court,
344
00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:15,005
with old wooden benches,
I sat down way at the back
345
00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:16,589
and there was a young man
346
00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:20,593
who was giving
a great lesson in philosophy,
347
00:29:20,677 --> 00:29:22,512
that I listened to.
348
00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:30,395
All of that is ineffaceable!
349
00:29:59,257 --> 00:30:02,844
So, I'll tell you what the title is.
350
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:08,433
“The last painters of the earth!”
351
00:30:09,601 --> 00:30:11,686
Yes, yes, that's it.
352
00:30:11,978 --> 00:30:17,192
You could almost imagine
that he is carrying a baby.
353
00:30:20,028 --> 00:30:22,697
It’s a sweeper-mother.
354
00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:28,745
It’s the Pieta, who carries
355
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,082
the misfortune of the world!
356
00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:35,752
So, what are you up to here?
357
00:30:36,127 --> 00:30:38,088
I'll show you the latest creations.
Come on.
358
00:30:39,089 --> 00:30:40,840
I call this “Citizen,”
359
00:30:41,091 --> 00:30:45,428
the child playing with a soldier.
360
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:50,850
White porcelain.
361
00:30:51,226 --> 00:30:53,687
That one is “Chicos.”
362
00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:59,984
named this “Chicos,” in Spanish.
363
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:08,868
And so, we don’t know, is it child's play or is it a “real” game?
364
00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:14,416
You see all those school children
playing with guns...
365
00:31:14,958 --> 00:31:19,921
that's what happens in Los Angeles,
in the United States.
366
00:31:25,802 --> 00:31:28,096
... And those are drawings,
367
00:31:29,556 --> 00:31:31,599
little ones, big ones...
368
00:31:32,767 --> 00:31:34,853
Deborah Kerr
369
00:31:35,145 --> 00:31:38,606
and Burt Lancaster, the famous kiss...
370
00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:42,402
I think that Hollywood has produced only one true erotic work,
371
00:31:42,736 --> 00:31:44,654
That's the only one for me,
372
00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:49,075
the craziest of all.
373
00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:52,912
1954.
374
00:31:53,621 --> 00:31:56,666
In Algeria,
none of the movies ever show kisses.
375
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,918
They cut them out.
376
00:31:59,127 --> 00:32:02,172
You have to re-watch all of the movies
in order to see the kisses!
377
00:32:02,339 --> 00:32:03,506
Films by Hitchcock...
378
00:32:03,631 --> 00:32:06,217
Algerians love suspense!
379
00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,303
They know it by heart.
380
00:32:09,554 --> 00:32:11,848
It feeds the imagination.
381
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:13,808
Yes. Right.
382
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:18,355
In Algeria, for example,
the story of the TV series Dallas…
383
00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,316
for the entire world,
it's a love story, right?
384
00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:23,651
Whether you like it or not, it's Dallas.
385
00:32:23,735 --> 00:32:28,239
But for the Algerians,
it's the story of American bureaucracy!
386
00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:31,409
Because in Dallas,
they type, they are typists,
387
00:32:31,659 --> 00:32:34,829
they are at the office, and when they come home, they start typing again!
388
00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:39,042
He never kisses Sue Ellen,
Pamela and all that!
389
00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:43,797
The kisses were censored!
390
00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:52,013
That's why I think “The Insurrection
of Dust” was just perfect.
391
00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,349
Because that's what Adel does.
392
00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:57,477
He stirs up dust.
393
00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:04,484
I say that “I am a without-country.”
394
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,570
Of course, I have
a common country with Adel,
395
00:33:07,821 --> 00:33:09,322
but obviously
396
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:14,077
it's not the country-nation,
it's another country.
397
00:33:14,244 --> 00:33:17,997
And, “my” native country
has never been “mine.”
398
00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:22,544
Even if I have loved
its innocent beauty.
399
00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:26,339
As soon as I was able to think,
I thought of running away.
400
00:33:26,673 --> 00:33:28,758
So that's like Adel, right?
401
00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:31,886
I think that the two of us are
402
00:33:32,554 --> 00:33:37,475
“runawayers.”
403
00:33:37,892 --> 00:33:39,728
We are departing from Algeria,
404
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:44,899
from the “infinite ambiguity of
‘my’ ‘country’ on this earth.”
405
00:33:46,067 --> 00:33:50,697
“I have never even been allowed
to be ‘abandonable’ by Algeria,”
406
00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:53,324
because I was in internal exclusion
from this country,
407
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:55,702
a beautiful country loaded with chains,
408
00:33:56,202 --> 00:33:59,080
that creates barriers and muzzles,
409
00:33:59,539 --> 00:34:03,668
and as you said,
Algeria also cultivates censorship...
410
00:34:04,461 --> 00:34:07,422
I feel how Algeria abandoned you.
411
00:34:08,423 --> 00:34:11,926
You said that it wasn’t you
who abandoned Algeria,
412
00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:14,471
but that it abandoned you in advance...
413
00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:18,099
Yes, it even tried
to eliminate me.
414
00:34:49,798 --> 00:34:51,091
What a shame.
415
00:34:58,223 --> 00:35:02,227
She should be there.
416
00:35:02,644 --> 00:35:06,314
They must have a switchboard
and block the lines.
417
00:36:19,971 --> 00:36:24,809
Oh no! He gave me that same number, that’s her number!
418
00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:29,356
Today she isn’t picking up the phone.
419
00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:37,822
That was quite funny!
420
00:36:38,073 --> 00:36:40,325
It’s the Sabbath!
Of course.
421
00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:46,206
We’ll try Marga another time.
422
00:36:47,332 --> 00:36:48,792
How did you track Marga down?
423
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,503
How did I track her down?
424
00:36:52,087 --> 00:36:56,007
Yes, how did you retrace her itinerary? She fled to Ireland...
425
00:36:56,383 --> 00:37:00,720
Marga is my mother’s first cousin.
She was my mother’s age,
426
00:37:01,137 --> 00:37:03,515
so now she is 105 years old.
427
00:37:05,141 --> 00:37:07,018
She’s the one
428
00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:09,312
who hosted me
429
00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:12,148
when I first went to Europe.
430
00:37:12,482 --> 00:37:14,275
When my mother sent me
431
00:37:14,818 --> 00:37:16,069
from Algeria
432
00:37:16,403 --> 00:37:17,862
to England,
433
00:37:18,154 --> 00:37:22,617
I stayed in the Carlebach home
434
00:37:22,992 --> 00:37:25,245
and started learning English.
435
00:37:25,745 --> 00:37:30,834
She lived in a London neighborhood called “Golders Green.”
436
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,962
It was a very Jewish neighborhood,
437
00:37:34,337 --> 00:37:36,464
but I was oblivious to that at the time.
438
00:37:36,673 --> 00:37:38,717
I simply thought I was in England.
439
00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:40,760
My father was an atheist.
440
00:37:40,927 --> 00:37:42,512
So were my mother and my grandmother,
441
00:37:42,595 --> 00:37:44,639
even though they didn’t show it.
442
00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:47,392
They were in the footprints
of a long history,
443
00:37:49,102 --> 00:37:52,564
and when I saw the practices
of the Jewish religion,
444
00:37:52,814 --> 00:37:54,107
I found them appalling.
445
00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,736
I thought it was a heap of superstitions,
446
00:37:58,194 --> 00:38:01,239
with practices that were
unworthy practices.
447
00:38:01,698 --> 00:38:03,742
For example, the repression of women.
448
00:38:04,117 --> 00:38:05,535
And the fear of women.
449
00:38:05,994 --> 00:38:07,412
The rejection of women.
450
00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:11,374
“Do not touch a woman,” etc.,
all these things I saw
451
00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:13,877
and found inadmissible.
452
00:38:14,544 --> 00:38:16,880
And these practices
were not at all related,
453
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:19,215
in my personal experience,
454
00:38:19,883 --> 00:38:23,345
to something that
I would have found noble.
455
00:38:24,346 --> 00:38:28,058
I did not feel at ease
with the detached community,
456
00:38:29,434 --> 00:38:33,521
although one could understand
457
00:38:34,064 --> 00:38:38,026
that the Jewish community
was traumatized by the war.
458
00:38:46,701 --> 00:38:51,790
Aside from that,
I had no sympathy for any religion.
459
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,248
When you write for the theater,
does your writing style change?
460
00:39:33,665 --> 00:39:35,000
Completely.
461
00:39:37,127 --> 00:39:41,214
Radically, because here my writing
is not entirely mine.
462
00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:45,385
Because at the Théâtre du Soleil,
characters take the center stage.
463
00:39:45,593 --> 00:39:47,804
It's not a theater grounded in texts.
464
00:39:48,972 --> 00:39:51,808
So I have to lend
465
00:39:52,267 --> 00:39:55,854
my verbal powers
466
00:39:56,813 --> 00:40:00,483
to different characters
who incarnate the possibility
467
00:40:00,984 --> 00:40:06,031
of several different writings.
I have to perform collective writing.
468
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,457
Oh I hope that’s not a demonstration over there,
469
00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:18,585
what a mess that would be!
470
00:40:22,672 --> 00:40:24,632
I am not only the person who writes.
471
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,511
Life at the Théâtre du Soleil,
472
00:40:28,887 --> 00:40:30,722
I like it,
473
00:40:31,097 --> 00:40:31,973
but it’s not...
474
00:40:32,891 --> 00:40:34,559
As a writer,
475
00:40:36,353 --> 00:40:39,314
I cherish the rare moments
476
00:40:40,231 --> 00:40:44,569
when I’m writing a scene,
and all of a sudden it comes to life.
477
00:40:44,903 --> 00:40:46,279
That's a lot of fun.
478
00:40:46,404 --> 00:40:50,408
But, it takes a lot of work
to get to that point!
479
00:40:51,534 --> 00:40:55,121
And then it's not completely joyful
480
00:40:55,288 --> 00:40:59,292
because it's depends on
how it is received,
481
00:41:00,210 --> 00:41:01,836
since I write something
482
00:41:02,253 --> 00:41:06,508
and I have absolutely no idea
how Ariane is going to react to it.
483
00:41:07,342 --> 00:41:10,345
Whether she’ll say “It works”
or not at all.
484
00:41:10,595 --> 00:41:13,515
-You can’t predict that!
-No.
485
00:41:14,265 --> 00:41:16,810
I never know.
486
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,358
Those trailers are used
487
00:42:05,567 --> 00:42:09,821
by our members in residence,
our guests,
488
00:42:10,822 --> 00:42:14,159
undocumented immigrants...
489
00:42:19,456 --> 00:42:22,083
- In 1996, there were many undocumented people here
490
00:42:22,292 --> 00:42:24,627
- Yes, 200 of them.
491
00:42:27,047 --> 00:42:28,381
- How did they arrive?
492
00:42:28,423 --> 00:42:31,676
- The 200 undocumented?
These were the undocumented
493
00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:33,970
of the St. Bernard Church...
494
00:42:36,348 --> 00:42:39,976
It was the time of the great fight
495
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,189
against the Ministry of the Interior,
for the undocumented.
496
00:42:44,773 --> 00:42:49,152
At some point, the undocumented
497
00:42:51,154 --> 00:42:53,490
who were staying
in the St. Bernard's Church
498
00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:56,117
were brutally kicked out by the police
499
00:42:57,410 --> 00:43:03,041
I don’t remember all of the details,
but someone called Ariane
500
00:43:05,585 --> 00:43:10,715
and we welcomed them here.
The Théâtre took them in.
501
00:43:11,633 --> 00:43:15,428
It was epic, not only because
it turned our theater
502
00:43:15,804 --> 00:43:18,973
into a gigantic village
503
00:43:21,393 --> 00:43:25,063
but also because
Ariane and two other activists
504
00:43:25,438 --> 00:43:27,691
started a hunger strike here.
505
00:43:36,574 --> 00:43:40,954
For the moment,
we’re tinkering with the space.
506
00:43:41,955 --> 00:43:46,459
And, it's a mock-up.
Later it will be fully built.
507
00:44:08,523 --> 00:44:11,568
That's great. That helps my asthma!
508
00:44:11,776 --> 00:44:13,820
Wow, I had no idea
you played harmonium!
509
00:44:14,362 --> 00:44:16,156
-I learned to play it a bit.
510
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:19,200
- Where did you learn?
in Afghanistan?
511
00:44:19,576 --> 00:44:22,037
- I learned here.
- That’s great.
512
00:44:22,662 --> 00:44:25,498
He was with us on stage!
513
00:44:26,207 --> 00:44:29,210
Ten years later,
here we are on stage together!
514
00:44:29,711 --> 00:44:30,837
Fifteen years.
515
00:44:31,004 --> 00:44:34,382
Fifteen?! Oh you’re right!
Fifteen years already!
516
00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:36,343
December 12, 2002.
517
00:44:36,426 --> 00:44:38,219
It’s quite a story!
518
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,889
I remember your arrival!
519
00:44:41,556 --> 00:44:44,100
He was tied to something.
520
00:44:47,645 --> 00:44:52,233
And... everybody was wondering
what it was, it was “his cue.”
521
00:44:52,776 --> 00:44:55,278
He was holding a cue!
522
00:44:55,653 --> 00:44:58,948
So everyone was wondering
“What is this weird story with the cue?”
523
00:44:59,407 --> 00:45:02,118
And furthermore it was forbidden
to touch his cue!
524
00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:05,038
Little by little
we discovered that his cue…
525
00:45:05,663 --> 00:45:07,415
his cue!
526
00:45:07,665 --> 00:45:09,668
You still have your cue stick, do you?
527
00:45:10,043 --> 00:45:12,253
It was a cue stick!
528
00:45:12,462 --> 00:45:14,547
that he had been holding
ever since he left Afghanistan!
529
00:45:14,881 --> 00:45:18,134
He had walked across
the entire world with his cue.
530
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,012
His cue that lifted him up...
531
00:45:21,137 --> 00:45:23,223
He was a pool champion there.
532
00:45:23,598 --> 00:45:26,434
And you very quickly
became a champion here?
533
00:45:26,726 --> 00:45:28,937
Champion of France, yes.
534
00:45:29,396 --> 00:45:32,357
Isn’t that incredible?
The cue stick!
535
00:45:33,775 --> 00:45:36,528
No need to naturalize this one,
536
00:45:36,903 --> 00:45:38,613
it was a universal cue stick!
537
00:45:38,697 --> 00:45:40,740
I’ll always remember
538
00:45:40,824 --> 00:45:43,702
“I want my cue.”
539
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:48,248
It was hard to believe!
540
00:45:48,998 --> 00:45:51,584
Speaking of cue,
I have to go get ready!
541
00:45:51,835 --> 00:45:53,128
Go, go get ready.
542
00:45:53,712 --> 00:45:57,882
I have to get dressed...
Thank you, very inspiring!
543
00:46:12,981 --> 00:46:19,446
A dream I had last night
sealed my decision!
544
00:46:23,074 --> 00:46:28,705
I was a goat.
So, do I continue or not?
545
00:50:29,863 --> 00:50:31,364
“We’ve been,” says my mother,
546
00:50:31,531 --> 00:50:32,949
“we’ve been.”
547
00:50:33,616 --> 00:50:35,994
She doesn’t say: we went there.
548
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:40,248
“We’ve ended up not going there,” I say.
549
00:50:40,623 --> 00:50:43,501
“It never ends,” says my son.
550
00:50:44,753 --> 00:50:47,047
“I couldn’t go without her,” I say.
551
00:50:47,505 --> 00:50:48,965
I thought about it,
552
00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:52,802
but with bad thoughts.
Thoughts of death.
553
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:55,597
“Without them,”
554
00:50:56,181 --> 00:50:59,517
it’s as if I thought: you’ve been,
555
00:50:59,934 --> 00:51:02,479
and now you are no more.
556
00:51:03,355 --> 00:51:05,273
Afterwards.
557
00:51:06,191 --> 00:51:08,109
Afterwards.
558
00:51:09,235 --> 00:51:11,780
Afterwards,
they were no longer
559
00:51:12,405 --> 00:51:16,284
Omi, Eri, Eve: they’ve been.
560
00:51:17,786 --> 00:51:19,996
Now they are in the books.
561
00:51:20,705 --> 00:51:24,084
“Perhaps I should have written
‘North Station,’”
562
00:51:24,668 --> 00:51:30,382
I thought while cutting out the last pages of Osnabrück with scissors.
563
00:51:31,675 --> 00:51:34,094
After Eve
564
00:51:34,678 --> 00:51:37,806
the thought of death came to me:
565
00:51:38,264 --> 00:51:41,976
“I cannot die
without having been to Osnabrück.”
566
00:51:43,937 --> 00:51:46,106
But why?
567
00:51:46,731 --> 00:51:49,943
The thought hesitated.
It was perhaps:
568
00:51:50,485 --> 00:51:54,864
“I cannot die
before having been to Osnabrück.”
569
00:51:56,282 --> 00:51:59,327
Sometimes I said to myself
570
00:51:59,703 --> 00:52:02,664
I should not,
571
00:52:02,997 --> 00:52:08,795
I owe nothing. Now, unfortunately
I could go to Osnabrück.
572
00:52:09,754 --> 00:52:12,257
I owe it to Eve.
573
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:46,393
That's what happened in Osnabrück.
574
00:53:46,643 --> 00:53:50,105
In 1938 they imprisoned
the Jews of Osnabrück,
575
00:53:50,105 --> 00:53:52,899
supposedly “to protect them.”
576
00:53:54,901 --> 00:53:59,155
And these are the convoys that contained the people of Osnabrück
577
00:53:59,406 --> 00:54:00,865
after their arrest.
578
00:54:52,375 --> 00:54:55,211
Through the critique of phallogocentrism
579
00:54:55,211 --> 00:54:59,257
that privileges binary contrasts
and the masculine schema,
580
00:54:59,466 --> 00:55:07,140
she founded ‘women’s writing’ as a tool for empowering women.
581
00:55:10,018 --> 00:55:13,229
We are delighted to welcome
Hélène Cixous, presenting Ayaï,
582
00:55:13,521 --> 00:55:17,233
The Cry of Literature.
583
00:55:44,094 --> 00:55:49,391
Thank you from the bottom of my heart,
584
00:55:49,933 --> 00:55:50,475
thank you for gathering together,
to celebrate
585
00:55:50,475 --> 00:55:55,146
thank you for gathering together,
to celebrate
586
00:55:55,814 --> 00:56:00,110
the tension literature brings us,
587
00:56:00,402 --> 00:56:02,696
which is paramount.
588
00:58:09,072 --> 00:58:10,615
There are some people,
589
00:58:10,615 --> 00:58:15,870
including professors,
who say that post-structuralism,
590
00:58:15,995 --> 00:58:20,625
as well as those who say
that it’s a good thing,
591
00:58:22,669 --> 00:58:26,464
are a bit like a passing trend.
Nothing more.
592
00:58:26,756 --> 00:58:30,719
Does it offend you
when very intelligent people,
593
00:58:30,969 --> 00:58:33,096
such as philosophy professors, say this?
594
00:58:33,596 --> 00:58:37,142
Well, no, theoretical statements
really don’t pertain to me,
595
00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:38,601
to tell you the truth.
596
00:58:38,893 --> 00:58:43,732
Personally, I never considered myself
a “post-structuralist.” I am a poet.
597
00:58:44,315 --> 00:58:46,359
Then there is the question of trends.
598
00:58:46,693 --> 00:58:49,571
Those who make these claims
are in fact hostile
599
00:58:49,863 --> 00:58:51,740
to all literary work.
600
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:54,075
That said,
trends do exist.
601
00:58:55,744 --> 00:58:58,329
And, here, it’s quite American.
602
00:58:58,872 --> 00:59:01,166
At a particular moment
603
00:59:01,416 --> 00:59:04,461
you're labeled
a “structuralist” or “post-structuralist.”
604
00:59:04,753 --> 00:59:07,255
We don't even know
what that means.
605
00:59:07,797 --> 00:59:09,674
And then this just vanishes
606
00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:15,597
and what they call a new “turn”
emerges, in the US.
607
00:59:18,683 --> 00:59:25,190
American marketing determines
such trends in thought.
608
00:59:25,857 --> 00:59:27,567
It'll last for a while,
609
00:59:28,026 --> 00:59:30,320
and then another trend will be in fashion.
610
00:59:30,487 --> 00:59:33,239
But those who do that are themselves caught up in a cycle of fads.
611
00:59:33,531 --> 00:59:36,117
The things they say today
will be trendy for several years
612
00:59:36,326 --> 00:59:39,204
they will disappear,
to be replaced by something else…
613
00:59:39,454 --> 00:59:41,581
So, in the end,
this is of little interest to me.
614
00:59:41,831 --> 00:59:44,334
What interests me is real creation,
615
00:59:44,709 --> 00:59:47,253
real poetic work,
616
00:59:47,587 --> 00:59:52,884
the work of cultivating language
617
00:59:53,385 --> 00:59:56,388
and discovering new treasures in it.
618
00:59:56,596 --> 00:59:58,098
Thank you.
619
00:59:58,890 --> 01:00:04,270
Forgive me, but these are
theoretical questions just the same.
620
01:00:05,563 --> 01:00:08,108
Questions of trends, precisely.
621
01:00:09,192 --> 01:00:13,321
- Right, but it wasn’t my question.
- I know! Thank you.
622
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:50,984
Actually, it’s always double-sided
like that with a…
623
01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:56,740
Here, it’s illegible.
624
01:00:56,865 --> 01:00:59,492
And there’s also one
625
01:01:00,326 --> 01:01:04,748
that makes reference to the Righteous, you see?
626
01:01:04,998 --> 01:01:12,047
The memory of the Righteous among the Nations remains unforgettable.
627
01:01:12,881 --> 01:01:17,469
Did you see it?
That’s quite rare.
628
01:01:32,942 --> 01:01:34,819
For, for… the…
629
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,572
Prosopopoeia, perhaps?
630
01:01:37,947 --> 01:01:39,491
That wouldn’t be too bad, would it?
631
01:01:39,574 --> 01:01:41,117
Yes, hold on then…
632
01:01:41,743 --> 01:01:43,411
Then, now…
633
01:01:45,455 --> 01:01:50,251
do you have something
that would be useful,
634
01:01:51,836 --> 01:01:55,965
something relevant when I introduce you
635
01:01:56,174 --> 01:01:59,010
I could brief you…
636
01:01:59,135 --> 01:02:01,930
I think that
it would be important for you to speak
637
01:02:02,138 --> 01:02:05,308
about my two most recent books
about Germany,
638
01:02:05,684 --> 01:02:09,521
they're about traces,
wounds, the dead, etc.
639
01:02:09,854 --> 01:02:11,981
Okay, okay. All right.
640
01:02:12,315 --> 01:02:14,901
Since, in that,
we don’t speak about it at all…
641
01:02:15,026 --> 01:02:17,904
and with reason,
but it must be addressed.
642
01:02:18,154 --> 01:02:22,909
And your two most recent books,
this includes
643
01:02:25,328 --> 01:02:28,915
But in any case,
I’m not going to do a great deal…
644
01:02:29,124 --> 01:02:32,210
No, it’s wonderful
because that will also help them.
645
01:02:32,335 --> 01:02:35,171
It’s really quite useful!
That works perfectly.
646
01:02:35,338 --> 01:02:39,300
- I’m not at all worried about that.
- No, listen…
647
01:02:39,718 --> 01:02:43,680
The students have prepared extensively.
648
01:02:43,888 --> 01:02:45,557
They’re ready.
649
01:02:45,807 --> 01:02:48,393
You mentioned
650
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,312
what else have they read?
651
01:02:51,855 --> 01:02:56,109
They had…
there were pieces from
652
01:02:57,027 --> 01:03:03,324
two small collections
published in the 70s…
653
01:03:04,409 --> 01:03:08,997
Something on the subject
of women’s writing.
654
01:03:09,622 --> 01:03:12,250
No, I don’t want to.
655
01:03:12,459 --> 01:03:17,172
They know, and their readings
also apply to the whole day,
656
01:03:17,464 --> 01:03:20,550
so that will be for later in the day.
657
01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:36,950
It was… everything was fictitious,
you understand?
658
01:08:37,325 --> 01:08:41,079
What was not fictitious
was my mother’s dream of Osnabrück.
659
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,711
Since she was no longer there,
I was the one who had to go.
660
01:08:48,086 --> 01:08:51,256
But still, there is the sense that
661
01:08:51,881 --> 01:08:55,218
your mother, your grandmother,
and your aunt Eri
662
01:08:55,343 --> 01:08:59,347
would often speak about Osnabrück.
663
01:08:59,472 --> 01:09:01,975
Meaning that it was a memory
of the olden days.
664
01:09:02,142 --> 01:09:06,730
The very memory
of the houses in Osnabrück,
665
01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:12,694
the streets, the parks,
the little river called the Hase,
666
01:09:13,153 --> 01:09:18,283
they had all of it
before their inner eyes,
667
01:09:18,533 --> 01:09:23,872
But then there is the pain of returning,
668
01:09:24,497 --> 01:09:30,628
remembering the cruelty of the Nazis.
669
01:09:30,795 --> 01:09:32,797
It was unbearable…
670
01:09:32,922 --> 01:09:37,344
No, I don’t believe so.
But I think they had no reason to try.
671
01:09:37,594 --> 01:09:41,264
They kept Osnabrück,
the good Osnabrück.
672
01:09:41,348 --> 01:09:42,557
- In their memories.
673
01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:44,601
The good Osnabrück.
674
01:09:44,851 --> 01:09:47,312
And since they were free,
they weren’t forced,
675
01:09:47,395 --> 01:09:49,439
they returned as a courtesy.
676
01:09:49,647 --> 01:09:53,443
I remember my mother
debating it, you see…
677
01:09:54,152 --> 01:09:56,529
with my aunt…
they would call each other,
678
01:09:56,696 --> 01:09:58,907
“What should we do?,” etc.
679
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:03,995
And then…
then she said to me, “Yes”
680
01:10:04,204 --> 01:10:06,289
“Since we are asked to go,
681
01:10:06,456 --> 01:10:09,084
in a way
they are asking for forgiveness,
682
01:10:09,209 --> 01:10:12,545
they have asked us to come,
we must go.”
683
01:10:13,171 --> 01:10:15,632
And then when they went,
684
01:10:15,965 --> 01:10:18,802
there were so many comical stories,
you wouldn’t believe it!
685
01:10:18,927 --> 01:10:21,388
I loved the way they went there.
686
01:10:21,805 --> 01:10:25,517
There was such a discrepancy,
687
01:10:27,686 --> 01:10:30,105
until 1968,
688
01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:34,651
between what Germany
deemed acceptable to think
689
01:10:34,901 --> 01:10:40,031
and what Jewish Germans
had experienced and thought,
690
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,370
that it was irreconcilable, nonsensical!
691
01:10:45,912 --> 01:10:50,959
You rightly felt that history
was completely twisted
692
01:10:51,501 --> 01:10:55,171
and that nobody had begun to argue.
693
01:10:55,588 --> 01:10:58,883
Our circle of friends is now
694
01:10:59,092 --> 01:11:04,347
between 70 and 80 years old,
695
01:11:04,681 --> 01:11:08,476
and we have begun to ask each other,
696
01:11:09,269 --> 01:11:14,315
“So, were your parents, Nazis?”
697
01:11:14,691 --> 01:11:18,903
The reply used to be
“Oh no, in our home, perfect,
698
01:11:19,195 --> 01:11:22,282
no one took part!”
Today, we speak more openly.
699
01:11:22,407 --> 01:11:26,870
Ah, it’s a question that makes me crazy
700
01:11:27,203 --> 01:11:30,749
when I hear people say,
“We’ve spoken about it enough.”
701
01:11:31,166 --> 01:11:34,586
Absolutely not!
Now is the true beginning.
702
01:11:35,253 --> 01:11:39,174
We are posing the question “how?”
703
01:11:39,758 --> 01:11:43,511
after such a long time.
It’s incredible.
704
01:11:43,803 --> 01:11:46,848
What is difficult, in my opinion,
705
01:11:47,015 --> 01:11:50,435
as I have always articulated
to my students,
706
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:56,358
is the aspect of desire,
707
01:11:57,317 --> 01:12:02,489
not only the desire
of some Jews for material wealth,
708
01:12:03,698 --> 01:12:09,371
but the desire for intellectualism,
and for intellectual faculties.
709
01:12:10,038 --> 01:12:12,665
I have often taken notice of that.
710
01:12:13,249 --> 01:12:16,753
Well, I must say, it’s incredibly complicated to speak about that!
711
01:12:17,128 --> 01:12:21,383
Because, what I’ve come to notice, and,
712
01:12:22,175 --> 01:12:26,471
of course, I’ve found terrifying…
713
01:12:27,847 --> 01:12:32,519
I know of individuals
714
01:12:34,562 --> 01:12:39,442
whom I consider racists who do not even realize that they are racists.
715
01:12:39,859 --> 01:12:43,196
And yet, at present in France,
716
01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:48,702
there are people who belong to the sophisticated intellectual circles
717
01:12:48,785 --> 01:12:50,495
and institutions,
718
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:53,998
who have uttered
this phrase that I find abominable:
719
01:12:54,082 --> 01:12:55,875
“Jews are intelligent.”
720
01:12:56,167 --> 01:12:57,794
And they say it with a certain…
721
01:12:58,169 --> 01:13:02,340
it’s philo-Semitism,
meaning anti-Semitism, you know?
722
01:13:03,758 --> 01:13:05,552
I’ve seen a great deal of that.
723
01:14:32,389 --> 01:14:35,350
I’m impressed
because it’s really beautiful.
724
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,437
Rarely is something so well done,
isn’t it?
725
01:14:44,317 --> 01:14:46,695
I don’t know; it’s astonishing.
726
01:14:46,820 --> 01:14:50,865
You could say it’s made of granite,
but it’s so…
727
01:14:54,828 --> 01:14:58,623
It looks like it’s pink granite.
728
01:15:17,642 --> 01:15:21,521
I don’t know, was it produced like that deliberately,
729
01:15:21,855 --> 01:15:25,108
to give the impression of ruins?
730
01:15:26,401 --> 01:15:30,030
It’s incredibly powerful,
I’m really in awe of it.
731
01:16:41,726 --> 01:16:47,357
I haven’t heard of her at all.
But this is really quite powerful.
732
01:17:14,175 --> 01:17:18,304
This is truly incredible.
733
01:17:34,863 --> 01:17:37,157
Annie-Joëlle, Annie-Joëlle!
734
01:17:39,451 --> 01:17:41,745
Did you see this?
735
01:17:41,953 --> 01:17:44,247
- Yes, I saw it
- Did you photograph it?
736
01:17:44,622 --> 01:17:45,915
I took a general photo
of the whole thing,
737
01:17:46,291 --> 01:17:49,252
but if you want…
- Absolutely… Yes.
738
01:18:16,446 --> 01:18:17,781
What should we do?
739
01:18:17,989 --> 01:18:20,700
It feels like
we have to do something, right?
740
01:23:15,078 --> 01:23:18,164
Good. Hugs to you, Marga.
741
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,968
At first she said,
“I’m over a hundred years old.”
742
01:23:30,677 --> 01:23:32,595
Eve used to do the same thing,
743
01:23:32,929 --> 01:23:35,724
she stopped at a hundred years
and when I would say,
744
01:23:35,807 --> 01:23:38,768
“No, you are over a hundred years old”
she couldn’t bear the thought.
745
01:23:39,019 --> 01:23:40,687
She would say “No, no, no.”
746
01:23:40,895 --> 01:23:44,649
I would say,
“Okay then, you’re eighty years old.”
747
01:23:57,245 --> 01:23:59,622
Here you are, you turn your gaze.
748
01:24:12,677 --> 01:24:15,513
It’s good.
The gesture is right,
749
01:24:15,805 --> 01:24:18,058
except that it’s too broken.
750
01:24:18,308 --> 01:24:19,726
It’s really...
751
01:24:31,237 --> 01:24:33,948
The opening gesture, you see?
752
01:24:41,456 --> 01:24:43,875
And keep your hand outstretched.
753
01:24:56,054 --> 01:24:59,766
“Cornelia, Cornelia!”
754
01:25:00,392 --> 01:25:02,477
And then you can say it like that too…
755
01:25:04,646 --> 01:25:08,149
- I didn’t say anything.
- “Come in rumor!”
756
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,569
You'll take care
of the entrance for your marionette.
757
01:25:11,861 --> 01:25:13,905
Yes! You have me come in!
758
01:25:14,614 --> 01:25:16,324
But we’re not on stage.
759
01:25:16,658 --> 01:25:19,035
- Why?
- No, we’re not yet on stage.
760
01:25:19,494 --> 01:25:22,163
- But yes !
- You improvise on the set, listen!
761
01:25:22,706 --> 01:25:25,750
No, we’re coming up,
behind Cornelia’s bed,
762
01:25:27,627 --> 01:25:29,838
Well- that’s it.
So, is the bed here?
763
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:33,842
- Right. Which side?
- I’ll come up behind her.
764
01:25:34,009 --> 01:25:38,513
- And then, you’ll say, “Come in rumor!”
- “Come in rumor!”
765
01:25:38,763 --> 01:25:40,473
Here you go rumor!
766
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:41,850
So what?
767
01:25:42,726 --> 01:25:44,185
What does the rumor say?
768
01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:46,062
That Lear has disappeared
769
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:48,106
- “The rumor…”
- Say! Say it!
770
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:52,444
“The rumor says
the word is spreading.”
771
01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:54,821
- Exactly.
- “In Paris.”
772
01:25:56,906 --> 01:25:57,949
Yes. Okay.
773
01:25:58,158 --> 01:26:01,870
And you tell the rumor
“All right, now make it shorter!”
774
01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:04,998
Just like in a newsroom,
775
01:26:05,373 --> 01:26:07,083
“Shorter, shorter!”
776
01:26:13,423 --> 01:26:15,592
We have to be able to play
with those papers and tell them:
777
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,220
“See, do you see all those figures?”
- Right, absolutely.
778
01:26:19,596 --> 01:26:22,724
We’ve got to have lines of amounts,
779
01:26:23,016 --> 01:26:25,352
and say:
“Look at those amounts, we calculated”
780
01:26:25,685 --> 01:26:27,604
and that becomes really…
781
01:26:28,313 --> 01:26:29,981
You’ve got to make it
look like a cartoon.
782
01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:32,359
Extremely fast like in a cartoon.
783
01:26:32,567 --> 01:26:34,444
Very cartoonish.
784
01:26:37,572 --> 01:26:39,491
- “Where is Lear?
- Where is Lear?
785
01:26:40,283 --> 01:26:42,786
- Hey, where is he?
- He isn’t here.”
786
01:26:43,703 --> 01:26:46,081
It’s like cats and children!
787
01:26:46,956 --> 01:26:51,336
He isn’t here.
So, Cornelia Lavandou,
788
01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:54,547
since you’re the one
who’s in charge now,
789
01:26:54,714 --> 01:26:56,675
how many subsidies can we expect?
790
01:26:56,925 --> 01:27:01,846
Taking into account that the show directed by Josette Duval,
791
01:27:01,971 --> 01:27:04,015
the famous Red Trilogy…
792
01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:06,643
“Red is a color just like others.”
793
01:27:10,105 --> 01:27:12,357
Such a marvel!
794
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:14,067
Those actors!
795
01:27:15,026 --> 01:27:17,362
Well, let’s not get off-track here!
796
01:27:17,529 --> 01:27:22,075
“She managed
to raise only 200,000 euros…”
797
01:27:25,829 --> 01:27:30,083
A soundtrack.“Lear has disappeared, Lear has disappeared,
798
01:27:30,542 --> 01:27:31,459
Well here we go!”
799
01:27:31,793 --> 01:27:35,088
There are voices everywhere of… of…
800
01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:39,467
“It looks like Mr. Lear has been missing for 24 hours in Pondichéry,”
801
01:27:39,759 --> 01:27:41,219
and it’s like “Shoot, shoot”
802
01:27:41,428 --> 01:27:44,556
and we show up to silence the rumor, we pull the shutters closed!
803
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,684
“The rumor!
804
01:27:47,892 --> 01:27:49,227
Lear has disappeared!”
805
01:27:49,477 --> 01:27:51,604
we rush to the window,
we hear the rumor!
806
01:27:52,188 --> 01:27:54,733
Ah, Jean-Jacques, Jean-Jacques!
Excuse me…
807
01:27:55,984 --> 01:27:58,319
And just like that, in an instant,
we heard our two voices,
808
01:27:58,445 --> 01:28:00,155
as if we were in Paris.
809
01:28:00,238 --> 01:28:03,408
In this case, you need the rumor
in different languages.
810
01:28:03,616 --> 01:28:06,494
Yes, yes, yes!
a whole host of languages.
811
01:28:07,287 --> 01:28:08,163
You pull out a clock:
812
01:28:08,329 --> 01:28:10,832
“We’ve got only
one minute and thirty seconds,
813
01:28:11,124 --> 01:28:13,918
for, for the Vision!”
814
01:28:14,794 --> 01:28:17,756
- But do you know what she pulls out?
- A clock.
815
01:28:17,881 --> 01:28:19,841
- No!
- An Alice white rabbit!
816
01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:22,594
No! A ticking bomb!
817
01:28:27,390 --> 01:28:30,185
A big bomb, you see?
818
01:28:30,602 --> 01:28:33,229
“Look, just one minute!
You’ve got one minute thirty seconds
819
01:28:33,438 --> 01:28:34,898
in order to give us your Vision,
820
01:28:35,106 --> 01:28:37,734
if not I’ll die! We’ll die!”
821
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:42,530
And there we’re here,
tic-toc, tic-toc, one minute,
822
01:28:43,198 --> 01:28:45,992
here we are,
we just do the tic-toc, forty seconds…
823
01:28:46,284 --> 01:28:48,161
We’ve got to say it like this!
824
01:28:48,411 --> 01:28:52,123
“Thirty, twenty, nineteen, eighteen, seventeen…”
825
01:28:52,248 --> 01:28:59,339
No, no, straight from twenty to “ten, five, four, three, two, one…”
826
01:28:59,964 --> 01:29:03,385
… and there she goes: “Noooo!”,
827
01:29:03,635 --> 01:29:05,970
and we’re being sucked
through the window,
828
01:29:06,179 --> 01:29:08,348
we roll over and we’re gone.
829
01:29:22,987 --> 01:29:27,367
But, I had no idea,
I had no idea you had this hideout!
830
01:29:27,492 --> 01:29:29,828
Well, you see,
the place is full of secrets.
831
01:29:34,332 --> 01:29:36,334
How many drums do you have here?
832
01:29:36,835 --> 01:29:39,587
Oh, here, almost a hundred.
833
01:29:42,799 --> 01:29:44,342
- Are you familiar with each one?
- Yes.
834
01:29:44,342 --> 01:29:45,844
All of them?
Oh yes.
835
01:29:46,219 --> 01:29:48,179
I’ve played them all.
836
01:29:48,388 --> 01:29:51,099
You have a music library here.
837
01:29:51,933 --> 01:29:54,853
I can distinguish
the original ones…
838
01:29:55,103 --> 01:29:58,690
This one is original, from Bangladesh.
These are elephant drums.
839
01:29:58,982 --> 01:30:02,444
that one in the back
is a replica that we created.
840
01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:05,739
That one’s also a replica.
841
01:30:06,031 --> 01:30:09,576
- You love them all.
- Yes. All of them.
842
01:30:10,869 --> 01:30:15,331
All of them, because I use
each one for very precise purposes.
843
01:30:15,707 --> 01:30:18,293
The instrument that particularly interests me,
844
01:30:18,460 --> 01:30:21,212
the one drum I’m going to use
for this specific play.
845
01:30:21,463 --> 01:30:24,132
- What’s that, honey?
- A “pipephone.”
846
01:30:24,549 --> 01:30:28,136
I plugged a bunch of PVC pipes
847
01:30:28,428 --> 01:30:33,433
to make a kind of xylophone,
with ping-pong rackets.
848
01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:52,952
- Do you play it by hand?
- No. With ping-pong rackets.
849
01:31:02,921 --> 01:31:05,965
Latest toy piano
from the department store.
850
01:31:20,772 --> 01:31:22,482
It’s marvelous. It works splendidly.
851
01:31:22,691 --> 01:31:25,068
Yes, it has a truly beautiful sound.
852
01:31:38,665 --> 01:31:40,291
“In Oran,
853
01:31:40,750 --> 01:31:43,211
when fate made her
854
01:31:43,503 --> 01:31:48,341
spokesperson for the dead,
855
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:54,014
my grandmother Omi
began to play her role,
856
01:31:55,598 --> 01:31:59,019
I didn’t see there were silences.
857
01:32:03,940 --> 01:32:08,028
In Oran,
I didn’t know that I didn’t know.
858
01:32:09,738 --> 01:32:13,783
I didn’t pursue my grandmother,
I didn’t unbury the dead.
859
01:32:14,451 --> 01:32:17,912
When I wanted to ask my mother,
I gave up:
860
01:32:18,580 --> 01:32:22,667
her stories
didn’t remember the previous stories.
861
01:32:28,882 --> 01:32:30,300
All that remains is
862
01:32:31,426 --> 01:32:33,470
Marga.
863
01:32:36,264 --> 01:32:40,935
‘Maybe you should ask Marga,’
the book suggests.
864
01:32:43,688 --> 01:32:47,776
I was without conviction.
That would be an unexpected turn.
865
01:32:48,985 --> 01:32:51,237
Marga?
866
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,992
After all the witnesses
and contemporaries have departed,
867
01:32:56,618 --> 01:33:00,580
more than seventy years
having collapsed on the scene,
868
01:33:01,331 --> 01:33:04,959
there is no one left to say:
I knew the Jonas family,
869
01:33:05,251 --> 01:33:07,337
they knew the Engers,
870
01:33:07,837 --> 01:33:10,924
the Engers knew the van Pels,
871
01:33:11,091 --> 01:33:13,760
the van Pels knew the Franks,
872
01:33:14,552 --> 01:33:18,098
Peter van Pels rode his bike with Horst,
873
01:33:18,848 --> 01:33:23,269
Horst stole my mother Eve’s bike
874
01:33:23,645 --> 01:33:27,315
that she had borrowed from
or lent to Grete Bloch,
875
01:33:27,482 --> 01:33:30,568
the daughter of the veterinarian,
876
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:35,073
Felix Nussbaum
I knew him said my mother.
877
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:38,952
This memory
may have been created by her
878
01:33:39,202 --> 01:33:41,746
when she was
more than a hundred years old,
879
01:33:42,747 --> 01:33:46,793
never having come to her previously,
880
01:33:48,044 --> 01:33:49,921
so it’s impossible to say if Eve
881
01:33:50,338 --> 01:33:53,049
didn’t know/knew
882
01:33:53,466 --> 01:33:56,886
Felix Nussbaum
883
01:34:02,726 --> 01:34:04,561
Marga remains?
884
01:34:08,273 --> 01:34:09,566
At the end,
885
01:34:10,191 --> 01:34:13,153
looking at a map
of the Zentrum of Osnabrück,
886
01:34:14,487 --> 01:34:18,575
one no longer knew
who had known had not known whom,
887
01:34:18,783 --> 01:34:21,911
everyone had known
whomever one hadn’t known,
888
01:34:22,037 --> 01:34:23,288
everyone had come by
889
01:34:23,496 --> 01:34:25,123
had gone for walks, had entered,
890
01:34:25,832 --> 01:34:27,542
had bought, had seen,
891
01:34:27,834 --> 01:34:31,129
had spoken, had learned, had swum,
892
01:34:31,338 --> 01:34:33,506
had gone on an outing in the forest,
893
01:34:34,257 --> 01:34:37,719
had taken the Abitur exam, had eaten,
894
01:34:38,136 --> 01:34:42,807
had had their secrets, had died.
895
01:34:46,811 --> 01:34:49,147
Marga remains.
896
01:34:50,982 --> 01:34:54,819
Marga, Eve’s remainder.”
897
01:36:59,944 --> 01:37:01,321
I received this letter
898
01:37:02,155 --> 01:37:04,157
after our phone conversation.
899
01:37:04,366 --> 01:37:06,826
This letter had taken
a great deal of time to arrive,
900
01:37:07,285 --> 01:37:10,705
as it’s postmarked the 17th of March
901
01:37:10,955 --> 01:37:15,126
but didn’t arrive until the 24th of March,
902
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,296
And I think that I must have received it
903
01:37:18,505 --> 01:37:21,132
at about the time
when she passed away.
904
01:37:29,349 --> 01:37:31,059
So, it really
905
01:37:32,102 --> 01:37:34,854
saddened me this…
906
01:37:35,355 --> 01:37:38,191
“evaporation” because when we,
907
01:37:38,942 --> 01:37:41,361
when I talked to her
over the phone,
908
01:37:41,653 --> 01:37:45,490
it was three,
four days before her flame faded away.
909
01:37:45,699 --> 01:37:47,701
She passed away like that.
910
01:37:48,535 --> 01:37:51,413
I had a bad feeling, but still.
911
01:37:52,706 --> 01:37:56,126
I had noticed,
I told you that, Olivier,
912
01:37:56,501 --> 01:38:00,505
I felt like she was speaking
more slowly than usual.
913
01:38:01,297 --> 01:38:04,384
However, she was fully present.
914
01:38:06,553 --> 01:38:08,638
She is the last one.
915
01:38:09,389 --> 01:38:12,308
We might say that my mother
was the second to last.
916
01:38:12,517 --> 01:38:14,644
Anyway, they were the last ones.
917
01:38:14,811 --> 01:38:19,941
So as long as
they were around,
918
01:38:20,775 --> 01:38:23,778
this was a never-ending story
919
01:38:25,447 --> 01:38:27,574
where everyone was saved.
920
01:38:27,699 --> 01:38:31,119
Everyone was kept alive
in those two women
921
01:38:31,619 --> 01:38:33,580
who had not forgotten anything.
922
01:38:34,998 --> 01:38:38,335
So, I told myself that
923
01:38:39,753 --> 01:38:42,964
this time, the book has been closed.
924
01:38:43,506 --> 01:38:46,426
Even if I am tempted
925
01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:50,013
to look into its next chapter,
I don’t see how.
926
01:38:50,388 --> 01:38:54,184
I don’t know anyone who’s 105 now.
927
01:38:54,476 --> 01:38:56,519
105 is the required age now,
928
01:38:57,020 --> 01:39:00,523
or at least 100.
929
01:39:01,858 --> 01:39:06,780
And I can’t think of
any survivor from this era.
930
01:39:07,947 --> 01:39:11,951
From the great chronicle
of Osnabrück that faded away here.
931
01:40:38,204 --> 01:40:43,293
Personally, I’m not happy
unless someone is moved to tears.
932
01:40:43,626 --> 01:40:47,505
It’s true!
The sign of a true performance
933
01:40:47,797 --> 01:40:50,925
isn’t when someone says,
“Oh, I laughed so much.”
934
01:40:51,092 --> 01:40:54,179
It’s when they can’t even speak
because they’re weeping.
935
01:40:54,637 --> 01:40:58,266
And that’s exactly what was happening.
That’s my true point of reference.
936
01:40:58,725 --> 01:41:02,604
And after yesterday’s performance,
so many people were in that exact state.
937
01:41:04,022 --> 01:41:11,112
So, it was beautiful,
but the show is awfully tricky because…
938
01:41:12,947 --> 01:41:18,078
it’s like a butterfly
in that it’s a subtle blend
939
01:41:18,953 --> 01:41:21,164
such that when you’re not
940
01:41:21,664 --> 01:41:22,874
exactly on the mark,
941
01:41:23,208 --> 01:41:26,920
while keeping fragile, stuttering
and trembling at the same time…
942
01:41:27,212 --> 01:41:29,422
there’s something missing.
943
01:41:29,839 --> 01:41:35,053
Okay. Let’s go. Excuse me.
So, warming up like usual,
944
01:41:37,097 --> 01:41:41,518
Hey you, we’ll see each other
about the cow, right?
945
01:42:17,012 --> 01:42:21,933
Since we inhabit a world
946
01:42:22,642 --> 01:42:28,481
that is always oriented toward others, toward addressing the audience,
947
01:42:29,524 --> 01:42:34,070
I’m going to speak about the one
948
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,740
who never positions himself
with respect to the audience,
949
01:42:36,948 --> 01:42:39,242
even if he gives
the impression of doing so,
950
01:42:39,784 --> 01:42:42,245
and that is the dictator.
951
01:42:43,621 --> 01:42:45,832
We are leaving the era of Obama
952
01:42:46,124 --> 01:42:49,002
who had created this delightful motto,
953
01:42:49,878 --> 01:42:51,588
so simple by all appearances:
954
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,507
“Yes, we can.”
955
01:42:56,259 --> 01:43:00,305
“Can” is an incredibly powerful word
that harks back to its Sanskrit roots.
956
01:43:00,722 --> 01:43:05,602
“Can” is both “power” and “knowledge.”
957
01:43:06,811 --> 01:43:10,523
“Yes we can,”
“Yes, we know we are capable of...”
958
01:43:10,940 --> 01:43:15,362
And now,
in the place of the motto
959
01:43:15,612 --> 01:43:18,448
that gave hope to everyone we have
960
01:43:18,573 --> 01:43:22,118
“I can!” It’s: “Me.”
961
01:43:22,660 --> 01:43:24,287
And that’s no simple thing!
962
01:43:24,788 --> 01:43:28,249
Now, what is even more extraordinary
is the fact that,
963
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:32,003
unfortunately, we poor human beings
964
01:43:32,212 --> 01:43:36,508
have a tendency to be fascinated by…
965
01:43:36,883 --> 01:43:38,385
well, not by anything,
966
01:43:38,635 --> 01:43:43,390
not the one
who’s assassinating everyone,
967
01:43:43,515 --> 01:43:47,519
but this one leader who speaks
968
01:43:47,811 --> 01:43:52,691
in such an authoritarian way,
“auto: me, me,”
969
01:43:53,441 --> 01:43:56,194
who says something so simple,
970
01:43:56,569 --> 01:44:01,741
that is “Me, myself,
I can because I am myself,
971
01:44:02,158 --> 01:44:06,204
and I am so utterly full of myself
that I am the only one who can!”
972
01:44:06,496 --> 01:44:09,624
And that fascinates people!
973
01:44:10,542 --> 01:44:13,128
This is the enigma of narcissism:
974
01:44:13,586 --> 01:44:18,425
there is someone
with such faith in himself, that he…
975
01:44:19,175 --> 01:44:22,137
well, there’s no other equivalent to him
than God himself!
976
01:44:22,429 --> 01:44:25,932
Yet, we must say
that we poor human beings
977
01:44:26,307 --> 01:44:28,184
have the tendency
to be drawn to God,
978
01:44:28,393 --> 01:44:30,729
because God bestows upon us
979
01:44:31,396 --> 01:44:33,273
all kinds of good feelings.
980
01:44:33,565 --> 01:44:34,899
The despot
981
01:44:35,108 --> 01:44:37,527
is a sort of unfeeling God because,
982
01:44:37,902 --> 01:44:39,863
whom does he adore above all else?
983
01:44:40,155 --> 01:44:41,781
“Myself!”
984
01:44:41,781 --> 01:44:41,823
“Myself!”
985
01:44:42,365 --> 01:44:45,577
A big, fat “myself.”
986
01:44:48,872 --> 01:44:50,832
Thank you, Hélène.
987
01:47:41,002 --> 01:47:43,338
And finally,
988
01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:37,971
Do you see them?
989
01:50:38,805 --> 01:50:43,101
Well, it doesn’t matter.
990
01:51:37,322 --> 01:51:39,657
Hello Master,
991
01:51:40,492 --> 01:51:43,536
thank you for all that you do for us.
992
01:51:46,915 --> 01:51:52,796
We honor you here.
993
01:52:13,358 --> 01:52:14,859
Being.
994
01:52:18,905 --> 01:52:20,990
Cum nihil sit.
995
01:52:22,534 --> 01:52:24,035
Ipse.
996
01:52:32,002 --> 01:52:34,587
This, I noticed this rather belatedly…
997
01:52:34,879 --> 01:52:37,007
that each time I came here
998
01:52:37,173 --> 01:52:39,384
there were
always visitors gathered,
999
01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:44,097
and I must confess
I would always slip out
1000
01:52:44,556 --> 01:52:49,102
until the crowd cleared downstairs and
I would surreptitiously rush upstairs,
1001
01:52:49,352 --> 01:52:52,772
and in this way I finally
found myself alone, in front of this,
1002
01:52:52,856 --> 01:52:54,232
and I said to myself,
1003
01:52:54,607 --> 01:52:57,944
“But, it’s the prison,
the one I talk about all the time!”
1004
01:52:58,236 --> 01:53:00,030
with its…
1005
01:53:03,908 --> 01:53:06,327
and the one that, furthermore,
1006
01:53:06,911 --> 01:53:09,706
recounts this extraordinary story
1007
01:53:09,998 --> 01:53:13,626
of a condemned prisoner,
1008
01:53:14,627 --> 01:53:17,922
it’s a fable of Ancient Rome,
1009
01:53:18,673 --> 01:53:22,969
of a prisoner condemned for an offense committed against the ancient city,
1010
01:53:26,389 --> 01:53:30,060
and the prisoners’ guards
notice that he doesn’t die,
1011
01:53:30,393 --> 01:53:34,022
despite having been condemned
to death by starvation and dehydration.
1012
01:53:34,356 --> 01:53:39,652
It’s because his daughter who comes
to visit him regularly breastfeeds him.
1013
01:53:39,861 --> 01:53:43,031
Through the bars.
1014
01:53:53,166 --> 01:53:56,419
When you think about it,
it is Montaigne’s choice
1015
01:53:56,711 --> 01:53:59,673
to live with this vision!
1016
01:54:03,635 --> 01:54:06,721
it’s something
I only realized in retrospect.
1017
01:54:07,472 --> 01:54:12,060
Because when we enter here,
what we see first is disrepair.
1018
01:54:12,268 --> 01:54:14,479
But one day...
“No! There is something!”
1019
01:54:14,729 --> 01:54:17,190
There is heaven and hell.
1020
01:54:17,982 --> 01:54:22,153
Heaven… and hell.
1021
01:54:27,617 --> 01:54:31,830
I think that I’ve always worked on this…
1022
01:54:32,622 --> 01:54:36,042
because heaven and hell are the two overarching entities of our existence.
1023
01:54:36,418 --> 01:54:39,379
We are beings of heaven and hell.
1024
01:54:40,130 --> 01:54:43,216
Altogether.
1025
01:54:43,883 --> 01:54:48,722
And it’s both incarceration
and liberation.
1026
01:54:49,222 --> 01:54:53,643
This is what I addressed,
in one of my books called
1027
01:54:53,893 --> 01:54:56,813
in which I took this image,
1028
01:54:57,230 --> 01:55:00,650
which embodies the fact
that we are often incarcerated.
1029
01:55:00,900 --> 01:55:05,405
In the course of our lives
we endure periods of incarceration.
1030
01:55:07,449 --> 01:55:10,744
So, what strikes me here
1031
01:55:11,161 --> 01:55:12,537
are the bars.
1032
01:55:12,746 --> 01:55:15,040
Because the bars are very much
1033
01:55:15,331 --> 01:55:18,793
the border between life and death
that we are always aware of,
1034
01:55:19,961 --> 01:55:23,757
and for me, this brings together
the bars that marked my childhood,
1035
01:55:24,049 --> 01:55:27,052
the military fencing in Oran, Algeria,
1036
01:55:27,302 --> 01:55:30,513
which I would walk along
when I was three years old,
1037
01:55:33,016 --> 01:55:36,311
and even before that,
when I was two years old,
1038
01:55:36,478 --> 01:55:38,605
since the Military Circle
had been locked up,
1039
01:55:38,855 --> 01:55:41,775
in bars that were tall like that,
that I verified,
1040
01:55:42,317 --> 01:55:44,986
but through which you could see,
you could see a garden,
1041
01:55:45,362 --> 01:55:47,113
but a garden,
1042
01:55:47,530 --> 01:55:49,949
that was forbidden.
1043
01:55:51,201 --> 01:55:55,747
This garden opened
when I was two-and-a-half years old,
1044
01:55:57,415 --> 01:56:01,753
during the war, in 1939,
when my father was recruited
1045
01:56:04,005 --> 01:56:06,841
as a military doctor.
1046
01:56:07,425 --> 01:56:09,844
This garden of Oran
1047
01:56:10,095 --> 01:56:13,890
was a garden
exclusively reserved for officers,
1048
01:56:15,558 --> 01:56:17,727
and suddenly the bars opened!
1049
01:56:18,019 --> 01:56:19,729
At two and a half,
1050
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:24,025
I headed into heaven!
I believed that I’d entered heaven
1051
01:56:25,026 --> 01:56:27,529
since I’d always longed for this garden.
1052
01:56:28,196 --> 01:56:29,531
And inside,
1053
01:56:30,532 --> 01:56:33,868
what did I find? Hell!
I absolutely couldn’t understand!
1054
01:56:34,285 --> 01:56:37,789
I was inside,
yet I had never been so far outside.
1055
01:56:38,540 --> 01:56:42,836
Ostracized, rejected!
Surrounded by children. And…
1056
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:45,505
and the hunt began!
1057
01:56:46,131 --> 01:56:48,216
And I absolutely
could not understand why.
1058
01:56:48,717 --> 01:56:52,637
It was there that I had my first philosophical and political experiences.
1059
01:56:53,346 --> 01:56:55,348
In which…
1060
01:56:55,682 --> 01:56:59,227
I realized
that when we are taken in,
1061
01:56:59,644 --> 01:57:02,605
it might mean we'll be thrown out!
1062
01:57:02,856 --> 01:57:05,734
And thus the key I found,
1063
01:57:06,067 --> 01:57:08,528
the one I finally came upon,
1064
01:57:08,903 --> 01:57:11,239
after two or three months,
1065
01:57:11,364 --> 01:57:13,450
(because I was trying to find a way in)
1066
01:57:13,742 --> 01:57:16,286
having been inside and then not…
1067
01:57:17,662 --> 01:57:19,956
was a word I was not familiar with,
1068
01:57:20,123 --> 01:57:21,958
and it was the word “Jewish.”
1069
01:57:22,542 --> 01:57:25,712
Because all of a sudden,
the older children
1070
01:57:26,129 --> 01:57:28,340
spat on me, saying
1071
01:57:28,590 --> 01:57:32,177
“you’re Jewish,”
and I had no idea what this word meant.
1072
01:57:34,637 --> 01:57:36,890
After all, literature is like that too,
1073
01:57:37,057 --> 01:57:39,559
it’s the passageway between bars.
1074
01:57:40,935 --> 01:57:42,395
Meaning that when,
when we write,
1075
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,647
we write like that,
1076
01:57:45,273 --> 01:57:47,692
with little bars through which
1077
01:57:48,318 --> 01:57:51,905
through which breath passes,
1078
01:57:52,197 --> 01:57:56,159
through which signifiers are at play…
1079
01:57:58,453 --> 01:58:01,664
Montaigne went through this experience in a thousand different ways.
1080
01:58:01,915 --> 01:58:06,252
He, of course,
was on the other end of the social scale,
1081
01:58:06,628 --> 01:58:08,755
but he was aware of this.
1082
01:58:09,172 --> 01:58:11,925
He could simply look around
1083
01:58:12,217 --> 01:58:14,761
and witness the Wars of Religion.
1084
01:58:15,637 --> 01:58:18,640
He witnessed them personally,
the cruelty, the violence…
1085
01:58:19,849 --> 01:58:24,312
Now, I must say that when I arrived, when I managed to arrive in France,
1086
01:58:24,813 --> 01:58:26,898
by which I mean that
I was in France and I wasn’t here,
1087
01:58:27,190 --> 01:58:28,817
arriving from Algeria… it was awful.
1088
01:58:29,025 --> 01:58:30,443
I couldn’t handle it.
1089
01:58:30,819 --> 01:58:33,154
I was… I couldn’t find the entrance!
1090
01:58:33,405 --> 01:58:35,407
And I entered through this door. Here.
1091
01:58:35,949 --> 01:58:37,742
And I entered through this door,
1092
01:58:38,034 --> 01:58:41,204
because I arrived
in the Bordeaux region of course,
1093
01:58:42,414 --> 01:58:44,958
because in this specific location,
there is a confluence,
1094
01:58:45,458 --> 01:58:48,420
this sublime Dordogne region
is the confluence
1095
01:58:48,753 --> 01:58:51,548
of the Wars of Religion,
of Catholics and Protestants.
1096
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,467
Exchanges occur like that
on the edge of the Dordogne,
1097
01:58:54,759 --> 01:58:57,095
on a bank, for example,
it’s Protestant and…
1098
01:58:57,887 --> 01:59:01,808
Because of that it’s an immensely graceful region,
1099
01:59:02,392 --> 01:59:03,601
because here,
1100
01:59:03,810 --> 01:59:08,565
people are in accord with
the surrounding natural beauty.
1101
01:59:10,233 --> 01:59:12,736
And I have had this experience!
1102
01:59:12,902 --> 01:59:15,196
I was twenty when I discovered this,
1103
01:59:15,655 --> 01:59:18,074
and I said to myself,
this is the entryway
1104
01:59:18,575 --> 01:59:22,328
to a France I could love.
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