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This is your last visit to Washington as Sector General, Michael.

So I don't know how many times I will go to the United States.

But what I do know is that my term ends in October and I know the plans and to be

focused on on my tasks as Sector general and to my term ends.

Are you sure it's the one?

I have no other plans and I'm I'm absolutely confident that NATO allies

will be able to find a very good succession.

It doesn't seem like they are because there is no one who would you recommend?

It's not for me to be part of that discussion.

That's what allies to decide my responsibility is to be in charge to lead

the the alliance until I my tenure ends.

President Biden asked to stay.

Will you?

This is a hypothetical issue I have, yes.

But I mean, I won't speculate about what he's going

to say.

And I'll say I'm absolutely confident that this alliance will find a good

succession.

So can you definitively rule out that you will not continue under any circumstances

in this post after the end of September?

As I said many, many, many times, my tenure ends and I know the all the

plans.

So you believe yes or no?

When my 10 ends, I will leave.

Have you taken part in have you taken part in any in any discussions about your

successor?

I will not go into all the no, it's not for me to involve myself.

No, it's not for me to discuss.

Why do you think about implied?

I like the Canadian guy much better, but I think I think even though this was

quite aggressive, you were a little bit too defensive floor

L.

Well, in the sector general, it's great to have you here.

It's good to see you again.

Don't make sense.

We do so well the contours or the best the customer is malted or those are not

within a line Also that one it was hot once out of the wiki Garupa of the victor

you know selection Bolton alliance and summon or how mental they motor for

chatter.

They have a commune plan or they was large to present.

Yeah, I I I have that and that.

Hello been cool.

No comment or also this is not about you.

But this is not about you, but this is about the Alliance president

or as other young home.

I mean pretty well the photo of the R.E.M.

And the cool Nomi the the the the ash to meet live.

Oh, they heard it's probably smoked it in

about the American, you know, Green said.

That's this 4 pointed star is the emblem of NATO.

The organization brought into being by the North Atlantic Treaty signed in

Washington in 1949, its first task to prevent further Soviet

expansion in Europe.

The huge advances of the Red Armies had placed vast areas of Eastern Europe under

Soviet control.

Independent sovereign nations joined together in a defensive alliance.

An attack against one would be regarded as an attack against all.

Each member nation with a large or small has an equal voice.

Decisions are taken by common concern here.

The NATO Council is presided over by the Secretary General.

His function is to help along the process of decision making and to carry out the

decisions once they're made.

And on that security, they well hand the piece of the entire

globe.

And I absolutely hadn't decided what to wear at the White House.

The Russians were in Russian continues to cause untold human suffering with heinous

attacks, heinous attacks on homes and hospitals,

brutal attacks, brutal attacks.

The Ukrainian people will prevail.

Is that softer than Ukraine will prevail?

Yes, the Ukrainian people could.

It sounds like they can prevail inside Russia in a way.

So so I think at least we should say Ukraine will prevail.

Ukraine I'm I'm your determination to fight the aggressor,

to liberate your lands and work for a brighter future says it all.

I I prefer says very clearly to me, because also that's a way of it's a bit

of a safety route as well.

It's your opinion, right?

It says very clear to me.

So your determination to fight the aggressor,

liberate your land and work for a brighter future says very clearly to me,

Ukraine will prevail.

Slavi, Ukrainian, A different NATO stands with you today,

tomorrow and for as long as it takes.

Wow.

There was, there was an error last night.

We went to actually people have Kiev, they went into shelters,

but there's been nothing since.

None.

Morning.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for coming.

We need you.

Mr.

President, I'm here today with a simple message.

NATO stands with you today, tomorrow, and for as long as it takes.

The high school meet the first for the boots coupons Dang gong in first Hamilton

the only 1% org the alone all the men sitting high back to be building up their

bar and ultimate scope.

Some come used to get in the merry Creek.

Thank there's all the dog out of there for that Creek or they can't get on

something and not do that.

We guaranteed along the secret.

Hello.

I.

Believe you so we are you for Ukraine at star cannot do here and on your leg in

here for Allah some city on exact 30 minutes so come rearing in some of the

formula was limited or not cannot do propose a human till Rick stalking.

So Oyadu was straight second, the eye on President Putin.

President Putin wanted less NATO.

He's getting the exact opposite, more NATO.

What do you think about the argument saying that it is NATO's expansion that

triggered the war?

What happened after the end of the Cold War was that newly independent civil

nations, through democratic free processes,

decided that they wanted to be part of NATO.

And should we say no, you don't have that, that that freedom because Russia doesn't

like it.

And, you know, I'm from Norway, and Norway is a small country born in

Russia.

And this idea that if free democratic nations choose a part I don't like,

I have the right to invade them.

If you accept that, then we move into a really dangerous

world.

One of the dilemmas we face is that there can be no peace and stability in Europe

without peace and stability in Ukraine.

And I don't think there can be peace and stability in Ukraine without Ukraine

being part of NATO.

But the membership?

It's not something that is possible to get allies to agree on today because then

then NATO will be at war with Russia and no one wants that.

On the other hand, if we say that they can only become

members when the war is over, that will give the ultimate incentive for

President Putin to just continue the war.

This week is the NATO summit in Lithuania.

Ukraine's President Zelensky will attend to spite his country not being a member.

Zelensky saying that he's not going to go to the summit for fun.

There are concrete outcomes if you want.

Zelensky has accused NATO of weakness and uncertainty.

Zelensky has cranked up the rhetoric.

Tonight, Ukraine's president was given a seat at

NATO's table for dinner at least morning, morning, morning.

How was your dinner?

It was.

It was a very nice dinner.

And also all the leaders and we were as I sat together with the set and scale the

government, how was it?

Yeah.

Is there anything?

So we discussed membership for like 2 hours.

Also, we were sitting, I was sitting as a very intense Smiley

said that now they're celebrating in Moscow.

But it says that in a friendly way.

It's understandable.

He says that he's at the war.

So did he really think that membership was on the table?

Well, you can't.

No, I, I, I agree with with Kristen, he's at the war.

So it's there's a kind of war mentality.

This is quite special to the honest.

Yeah.

But of course, ultimately, it is a decision is for allies to decide,

and the priority remains for Ukraine to prevail.

This is a press conference.

Yeah, That's fine.

So yeah, he may get done.

Yeah.

And this is really our ability to shape the story today with you on stage

together with him.

And I think also have all the body language matters.

So, you know, look at him, smile at the end, shake hands.

I think, I think the most important thing is that

try to convince him that he can, he can turn this into a my task as a

middleman is to ensure that Solinsky and Neidu allies are able to stand united

because perception matters.

While I fully understand that the Ukrainians have to bark to get more

support, they should not bite the hand.

They are so dependent on shake hand.

I don't have so long.

Thank you very much.

Because it was very nice to live by the time and not the frog more cult and

people are busy people.

So that the chicken is supposed to be Germany US because if they're smaller,

you can push them.

But you know, it's a bit harder.

So but but you call me if there's anything.

I also call.

OK, great.

Have to begin.

I understand the next step you will still for today it's on the standard,

but you know maybe you'll continue.

No, no, no, no.

Ukraine is now closer to NATO than ever before,

and we will issue an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO when allies agree

that conditions are met.

We did what you said.

Yes.

Yes, yes.

But I mean, it's better because now.

Yeah.

This is text we have.

So let me just.

I remember about it.

If you think that I forgot.

No, no.

But you should call, then I can show you around.

No, you know which mountains.

And we can do some fishing after the war.

After all, we'll meet and we will have time.

Welcome to all of you.

And I'm really honoured to welcome in our midst our dear friend Vladimir Zrensky.

Today we meet as equals, and I look forward to the day we meet as

allies.

All 32 allies are sovereign nations.

And then, you know, they have to be treated as such.

It's all a consensus building machine.

Consensus means that any ally on any issue can say, no,

I'm not going to agree to this.

That is one of the key roles of the sort of secretary general is sort of, you know,

keeping the machine going.

Good morning.

Oh, I'm very safe with all of you.

He's a very touchy person.

He slaps the back.

He, he, he grabs them by the, by the, you know, by the elbows.

There's a lot of kinetic and tactile work ongoing.

When you see two leaders using that same technique, it's almost a bit comical,

but it is effective.

Two men united, you know, with hands on their shoulders.

But I think this is not just a technique, it's a genuine expression.

I care about you, I touch you, I'm here with you.

I feel safe with the European Union, Iraq.

Some of us are politicians and sometimes you don't have the best message to sell,

but they sell it.

I've been selling the same message.

My father, it was on which politician, foreign minister of defence, minister,

from my father, but actually also from my mother,

I learned the value of engaging people and listening to people.

I default, meaning you know I'm in the do family.

I.

Both my mother and my father were engaged in the Labour Party and they also had a

lot of guests coming in from all over the world, politicians, but also authors,

artists and just to see and watch as a child so many different people being

together has shaped me.

You talking to people is is absolutely essential and you have to talk to people

you disagree with.

I think the important thing here is there are no villains here but you.

There are allies who have particular concerns,

perhaps concerns that are outside of the sort of broad consensus with the rest of

the alliance.

But to be honest, Turkey is objection to Sweden came like a

bolt from the blue.

Turkey has blocked talks on Sweden joining NATO.

Is this a failure for NATO or is it more a failure for Sweden?

And does it project disunity as you're gathering Vilnius?

Yeah, I think this is quite good.

I will.

I will welcome them and then go through this one more or less.

And then I think we should very quickly come to an actual negotiations on the

text.

Always try to suggest that we hold the pen because I'm I'm worried about some

crazy formulation being thrown out on the table that is not going to be impossible

to get out of it.

And then I mean the greatest hits.

So you he brings up the Quran burnings.

How do you want to handle that?

Yes.

I think first of all, I, I should try to get in case they don't

handle it.

So I, I, it's easy to end in a position where I

defend the suites and As for as long as possible as you're trying to not be the

spokesperson for the Swedish government.

So yeah.

Yeah.

On our way to us.

That's just one of their plans to come in.

More than one Turkey as president is due at that NATO summit.

He's expected to meet the Swedish Prime Minister to discuss Stockholm's stalled

application to join the alliance.

The Swedish session process, in particular you This has been some hard

diplomatic graft.

Dozens of trips to Ankara, dozens of trips to Stockholm.

This has been in the trenches.

The Turks had issues, particularly with the Swedes,

when it came to terrorism.

Why aren't you extraditing more terrorists?

Early this year we had a number of Koran burnings in Sweden and that put a

complete halt to the thing.

On one of the trips we took to Takea, President Erdogan invited the SEC Gen.

and his wife on a boat trip down the Bosphorus.

And you being willing to invest this kind of time really matters.

Ultimately, you need to trust the person on the

opposite side of the table, and you need someone to close the deal.

I think this week actually also recognized that some of their terrorism

legislation was a bit too LAX, but they strengthen that and I think

they've delivered enough so that now it's time to move.

Good to see you.

My best regards to my wife indeed.

And also saw the Prime Minister.

Yes.

And we saw your big aircraft.

So we we parked next to your your airplane.

OK.

Thank you very much.

You're doing just close up, I'm doing I'm I'm the bad couple.

I think that's a given.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Well, when it comes to Sweden, guy, this is a real plot twist now by

President Erdogan because we know that he is a tough negotiator.

But today he's taking things a step further and now says we need to talk

about Turkey and the European Union.

Almost implied that if you want Turkey to say yes to Sweden joining NATO,

then we need to talk about Turkey and the European Union.

This is a complete plot twist.

You.

This EU thing seems to have come a little bit out of nowhere.

Considering what's now happening, this is very useful.

Yeah.

So this is 1.

They're just going to have to swallow.

And Sweden takes an initiative in the EU to suggest to be launch this dialogue.

So be So what?

I mean, it costs them nothing.

Yeah, But that's in one way that's good news.

That's good news.

The Turks are pretty good at this.

They'll do the same thing every time, so when you think you're done,

they'll come with one last thing.

Sorry, guys, the Turks are a bit disturbed that there

are barriers and that, you know, they're not allowed to buy American F

sixteens.

I have checked this with the Americans.

They don't love it, but they're OK.

And then at some stage, you know, if this really goes down the down the

drain, the question is whether you speak to if

we can't do a deal now, it will take us another year,

if not longer to get this standing.

Mean time you'll have F sixteens.

But I will sit with him alone.

I can say that, of course, the F sixteens and the the optics for the

drones, that will not happen.

You also tell him, yeah, unless we get this done now.

I mean, you need to recognize this is bad for

everyone.

He's a very even keeled individual.

He sets a good atmosphere for these kinds of negotiations.

And because he does, it is an extremely powerful signal when

he suddenly gets very forceful because he doesn't normally do that.

They have something to talk about.

Good evening.

I'm glad to announce that, President, everyone has agreed to forward the

accession protocol as soon as possible.

I.

President Biden tonight is applauding Turkey after that surprise announcement

that it is dropping its opposition to Sweden's bid to join NATO,

a move the NATO secretary general tonight is calling a historic step.

It's a good day for NATO and a very bad day for Vladimir Putin.

The stress for the on holders among us.

I mean I'll be done or unscrew the toss me hands so possible so that they sent

them.

I also feel this very possible hopeful thing towards oops and the way he had to

stick his data unscrewed all many.

You know that thing.

So how much I that was said by my Monday I will find socket.

So stop them.

Yeah, I I I mean how far?

I guess something says so that I can't predict my or not.

Is it a bit warmer?

This is impossible.

This windows.

I read the whole thing.

When I speak with the defence industry, they often tell me of the difficulties

they face in finding investment.

Because some investors have that misguided idea that defence industry is

somehow unethical.

But there's nothing unethical about helping Ukrainian soldiers to defend the

country.

There's nothing unethical about producing weapons.

But let me just think.

Some investors have this guided idea that the fence industry is somehow unethical,

but there is nothing unethical about producing weapons to defend NATO allies

Public wants to go to military spending.

We wanted invested in social and environmental needs.

Stoltenberg as a war criminal.

Do you consider yourself as a dove or a hawk?

For me, that's not a meaningful distinction

because if a doe is a person that believes in talking, negotiations,

agreements, I believe in that.

But if a hawk is a person that believes that you need the strength to be able to

create the conditions for meaningful dialogue, I believe in that too.

How can you be so convinced that there are no other solutions,

no other answers than more weapons to secure peace in Europe?

Because I I don't trust Moscow and President Putin.

I met President Putin in August 2000.

He was newly appointed president that was newly appointed Prime Minister.

And at that stage, I was absolutely confident that it was

possible to work with Russia, that we opened the border in the north

for visa free travel.

And we agreed the delimitation line in the banks here in which I've negotiated

in 40 years.

After decades, we were able to find a compromise based

on mutual trust.

And then, of course, when there was this brutal ties attack in

Norway where 77 people were killed, President Putin called me and expressed

his condolences.

And that was at that time, I think, heartfelt.

Hello, Rob Bauer from the chair of the military

and, and, and this was my office.

That was that was my office because I was not here that day because I was in my

residence.

But this was I worked here for many, many years.

On the afternoon of 22nd of July 2011, a man parked a car full of explosives on

the other side of the fence.

Here the bomb went off, killing eight people in the building.

The extreme right wing terrorist was alone in executing it.

His prime target was the Norwegian Labour Party.

Prime Minister Stoltenberg and my party, and above all its use.

The terrorist drove toward Uttaya Islands, north of Oslo about 40 minutes right.

Once he got to Uttaya Islands, he shot and killed 69 participants,

mainly children, at the Labour Party summer camp.

I send it flare out this one, Mr.

Believer.

I send it for a lunatic flare out this one, Mr.

Believer.

Org touch head puts dead we are.

Two slip for two slip on women.

I rub it in a song.

Terusia boots copper.

We are some good news.

Maybe hero speaker watch.

What are Mayor Democraty, Mayor Opener, or Mayor humanity?

Now to the latest devastating strikes in Ukraine.

Russian missiles and drones raining down across the country in the worst single

attack since the war began.

And this morning, Ukrainian President Zelensky expressing

frustration over the hold up on US weapon supplies.

Can you say if you want Ukraine or Russia to win this war?

I want everybody to stop dying.

But you won't say that you want Ukraine to win you.

You know what I'll say?

I'll say this.

I want Europe to put up more money.

The Ukrainians are not running out of courage.

They're running out of ammunition every day of the lay in the US Congress.

Just one thing on this y'all made the point this morning.

I think at least it's worth reflecting on that he felt that it was too much red

would be red as blaming Congress, which he said he felt would be

counterproductive.

Yeah, that's very important.

I mean, I'm not entirely sure, but I think I think it's something at

least we should.

Absolutely.

We always say the things that how I'm this is always difficult.

But one way you put pressure.

On the other hand, you may just force them to dig even more

in and and and be entrenched so you can.

The question is whether you have a direct reference to the Congress or not.

All allies now need to dig deep and deliver quickly.

I mean, that's also U.S.

Congress.

This is a critical moment.

There would be a great historical mistake to allow Allison.

Yeah, I I think that's a good way forward.

I also think that another way of saying this,

if we want to keep every day of delay in delivery of support has real consequences

on the battlefield.

And then all allies, they're just delete the use factors.

Yeah, I see it a bit both ways, but I'm not.

Yeah, I, I think, I think it's safer if that's safe,

really do it.

Supporting your kind is not a matter of capacity or ability,

it's a matter of political will.

The.

Dear friends, dear Allies, so many good words have been said today

about NATO's achievement throughout 75 years.

I can say, you, dear friends, that without this membership of NATO,

I couldn't stand here in front of you as a foreign minister of independent Estonia,

because probably we would have had an aggression from the east side.

Our accession to NATO has honored all the desire,

all the struggle and all the fight of generations of Hungarian people for

freedom.

We were determined to join NATO in 1999 because we felt it in our bones that the

window of opportunity will not last forever.

Unfortunately, Russia is on the March again, but happily,

we are where we belong, at home, resisting again like a rock.

Thank you, Joe Barnes, you're in Brussels covering NASA's 75th

birthday.

Were any slices of cake for you?

Yes, against Stoltenberg and various foreign

ministers did cut a cake today.

And to mark the moment, actually, if you like, take a step back.

We're looking at doubts.

Is NATO doing enough to help Ukraine?

It's not a positive and joyous mood in Brussels or Ukraine at the moment.

I don't want to spoil the party, the birthday party,

but I came here against the background of continued unprecedented missile and drone

attacks of Russia against Ukraine.

Just tonight the city of Harkiv was hit with thousands of of Shahed drones.

My main message today will be patriots because saving Ukrainian lives,

saving Ukrainian economy, saving Ukrainian cities depends on the

availability of patriots, but providing patriots depends on Ellis,

South Korea and Delta Romanians receive 2 batteries according to our information.

So they they are there, but they struggle to understand why the

United States and others.

Sorry, I have to leave my no, although I, I, I think,

I think doctors are concerned and especially I think you go away and say

hello, hello.

Let's see, how are you?

OK, You struggling fighting Minister?

Hello.

Let's see.

The Ukrainians are not running out of courage,

they are running out of ammunition.

All allies need to dig deep and deliver quickly.

Every day of delay has real consequences on the battlefield in Ukraine.

So really a very simple question.

Why are they running out of ammunition, given they have the support of so many

allies, so many powerful economies?

Does this represent a failure from NATO allies?

We will stand by Ukraine for as long as it takes.

It takes what what a moment so there I would send them down and they'll store me

OK not in the old level.

Some insistent the Democratic special Yeah Lupa and many mobile in about the Co

there for the.

Out that a guy don't mark up to see things and you can see that we can hold

up.

I just slept.

How's that fine to do?

I say, yes, I know.

So I don't count the hours, but that's something about movement and

the strategic situation right now serves as Guil Kabuli would say is they're

losing.

So there, there there is no more counter offensive

coming in time soon.

The Russians have an opportunity to exploit right now when they're at an all

time low with munitions.

I mean, I, I think that the situation they're in

right now is it's precarious.

The delay of six months of US support meant that Russia took the initiative on

the battle battlefield.

Putin is putting everything on the table right now that he can as consensus

opportunity.

So the problem is if the Russians do get through that frontline, there's a,

there's a good chance they could keep going.

This is also an opportunity for us.

We can stop him this summer.

Then he's going to respect Ukraine more than ever.

This could turn the tide of the war right here this summer, one way or the other.

Good, good trip.

Yes, absolutely.

We were able to sleep and now it's full summer in here.

Yeah, we managed to to to.

President Zelensky, can I ask you what's happening in the

east?

Your forces seem to be retreating at the moment.

Is there a danger that your lines could collapse with Russian advances?

And then I would like to ask Secretary General,

I've listened to you for the past year talking about ramping up ammunition in

the West and glaciers have have melted faster.

It's taking a long, long time.

I just wonder if you've apologised to President Zelensky that NATO countries

have not delivered what they've promised.

Thank you.

NATO Allahs have not delivered what they've promised and this had had serious

consequences on the battlefield.

I think we can actually debrief on some of them.

But first of all, I think it wasn't even useful to spend

time with the friends.

I, I think the other thing I noticed in her

today and Tom said I, I definitely sensed panic, panic.

I do.

I do because I, I think Solinsky was very calm in the way

he no, I don't think so.

I think he was twitchy.

I think he couldn't stay focused.

I think they need help.

We need to deliver some air defense over here pretty quickly.

I really believe that their tasks are starting to get more random,

which which is an indication of how bad the situation is on the ground.

Quite frankly, we'll be more than that.

The the calmer you are, the more rational your requests are.

They're asking for anything and everything right now.

But what struck me was his concern about potentially losing car cue if they don't

get more air defense.

That would be obviously that would be better.

I think that's I think that's that's lost already.

Yeah.

Well do do lost the hard cue is a second or is it Yes.

Do I think there's 150, 000 people massing they're not going to

sacrifice the Ukrainian forces there to defend that enclave anymore.

I I I suspect that there's an assault that he'll he'll withdrawal.

So so I think this is pretty painful to him.

OK, I was going to do that.

Getting some fruit had some.

Hello.

That should obviously be that Ukraine wins.

My president has used this terrible phrase that we're with you for as long as

it takes.

That is an empty statement that does not bring one round of ammunition.

I think a lot of European and Western leaders know that deep down that they are

reluctant to follow the next step which is going on in supporting Ukraine.

And for me it's a tragedy because they are fighting a war to defend democracy in

Europe and there's no Western boots on the ground.

They are fighting our war.

At the end of the day, it's in our hands.

All it takes sometimes is somebody in the right place at the right time saying the

right things and everything can change.

I demonstrate.

You made it, You made it.

Like the headquarters of the sector general.

Hello Dimitro.

Hello Dimitro.

My long term aim is to get Ukraine into NATO.

But in the meantime, the mission is the best way to ensure

that Ukraine gets the military support they need to prevail.

Dimitro.

Dimitro.

Hello, yen.

How are you?

I am fine.

And I hope you are fine, too.

I am.

When I start my working day with a conversation with a friend,

I'm always here.

Fine.

That's very good.

Same for me.

OK, Good.

Good.

So what are you hoping for?

I have circulated a proposal to allies for a package for Ukraine.

For me, what is important is that this mission is

actually responsible for coordinating military support,

including lead laid of course.

And 2nd, I just believe that we will be less

vulnerable for new political leaders on both sides of the Atlantic if this is a

NATO mission with a, a, a kind of agreed funding than if it's

just only a coalition of, of the willing where they can.

I should say more.

Let's do what they want from a day-to-day or month to month.

The challenge is, of course, that I don't have full agreement among

allies, some allies, not many, but some allies are still very skeptical

against the idea of a mission.

They don't.

They don't.

They don't want the NATO flag and NATO institution around this support.

OK.

Now I have a better understanding of how you see these in this this mechanism.

I'm.

I'm really grateful for for your ambition and that you keep pushing.

And yeah, I'm ready.

I'm ready to work with you on this.

Very good.

OK.

Good.

Good.

Have a good day.

Yeah.

Bye.

Bye to you.

Same to you, Dimitrov.

Bye.

Bye.

I understand you've been working on an idea.

Could you tell us a bit more about it?

Remember, we were briefed on this 100 billion.

And is it a form of a Trump proof as well?

The reason why we discussed this is that we see the situation on the battlefield.

We see how demanding and difficult the situation is in Ukraine.

So therefore, we welcome everything NATO allies have

done.

At the same time, we see that we need to do more.

It's not.

It's not enough.

The finish position is is very clear.

We need long term sustainable commitments for for aiding Ukraine.

NATO must take the greater and more clear role.

Poland will also be supporting the creation of a NATO missions.

Get the weapons, get the ammunition and get the support to

Ukraine that they need.

Thank you very much.

I usually do.

I.

Just one small thing, I had two very good conversations.

Second, I respect the positions, but of course I would like to try to find

out and got the solution.

So I will of course argue in favour of my proposal,

but I also call it some others that we should try not to be too confrontational.

And and I will not try to force a decision in the meeting today or tomorrow

because the whole idea is now not to decide the mission.

The whole idea now is to start planning.

Yeah, because if you started planning now high,

high.

But they, they, they will need weeks and months and then

we have April and May to.

And of course, no decision will be taken until we all

agree on the mission.

So if we can agree to start the planning today,

that's not the final decision on anything except for planning.

Oh, good to see you.

So it's not within reach today, you think?

Yeah, Yeah.

But as you put it in a way which does not put too much pressure on you or they say

that we are not taking part in the planning period.

You say that and then we can sit down afterwards and sort it out.

And I also told Victor I can go to Budapest.

Long time.

I've not been there.

What?

You never do.

No.

Right.

Let's do that.

Hello.

Good to see you.

I think they're ready to agree to start.

They will not, they will not support them.

They won't stop it.

No, that was so we don't need to.

We need the balance between being clear, but not as I say,

too confrontational because then they will dig deep into the the trenches.

So it's a clear but nice message, which is very easy for you.

Follow your lead.

You will leave.

We're two weeks out from the summit now.

The job at this stage is to just close down the various agreements.

Almost all the activity is sort of devoted to using his time as effectively

as possible, unlock the things that only he can unlock.

Vegan Belgian waffles We will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2

1/2% of GDP.

The UK, the Netherlands and others have announced

additional significant major, additional major contributions.

OK, she said.

Good.

Oh man, back in trouble.

General, Great to see you again.

Good to see you again on this vote.

The age of 311 and the age of 112.

The bill is passed, OK?

Ukraine's President Vladimir Zelensky says he's grateful to the US House of

Representatives for passing a $61 billion military aid package for Ukraine.

I.

We're currently trying to create this scheme whereby they can at least credibly

say publicly that they're not participating in this.

They will need to opt out, as they say, or non participate in some shape or form.

And that means that the Hungarian money will not fund this particular mission,

but that Hungary confirms that they will not block out all the allies.

At the Danube don't forget that that was the order of the Roman Empire.

So that's part where we are of the new was part of Roman Empire,

but they never moved that that was the barbarian and the and the Hungarian.

So the people that live there, never.

You become the head of the European Commission.

But you know, the only problem is that Norway is not a

member of the European.

So I think that's a bit, a bit.

No, no, that's all.

No, because we are in trouble.

None.

It's a difficult time.

Our position is a difficult one to.

You know, we always try to keep a sense of

perspective on these things.

And the second is, of course, particularly mindful about not allowing

things to escalate out of control.

And you know, we need to give allies a certain amount

that we could as time goes on and the more we give one,

we fear that the more tensions will will arise the matter.

And we end up in the same situation where we would have been 2-2 years ago had we

decided to sit people down at the table.

And but, but I think that's why I'm confused

because it's not sitting down at the table is currently not an option.

Putin has no interest in doing that.

So that's the problem.

And how do you incentivize Putin to come to the table?

I think the only way we can centralise it is to make this quite painful.

This was this was a very good meeting.

So we sold the both the successor and the and the.

Yes.

Can you put it in plain English for us?

What has been agreed until now, we've had individual NATO countries

supporting Ukraine in different ways.

NATO's stepping into the breach there and taking a much more important role.

So Mr.

Stoltenberg came to Budapest seeking the guarantee that Hungary would not block

those changes in NATO's approach to Ukraine, while at the same time Mr.

Orban got the guarantees that Hungary will not be paying anything.

In a way, Mr.

Stoltenberg and Mr.

Orban, both of them got what they wanted today.

Well, Secretary General, welcome back from the whole office.

I have to say ahead of time, I'm going to miss you.

I'm going to miss you.

Well, I mean, sincerely, you've been great.

I just wish you'd extend this term another 10 years.

Former President Trump has suggested that the US could pull out of NATO or if

countries do not share the burden.

How seriously are you taking those threats?

How long do you think it will take for every member of the alliance to reach 2%?

I have another Trump question.

How would you characterize your relationship with the former President

Trump?

He had a very clear message on the need for European allies to spend the more and

I agree with him.

And the good news is that this year, 23 out of 32 allies will spend 2% or more

of the GDP on the fence.

And when we made the page, there were actually only three allies.

So this is a big change and it is reducing the burden on the United States.

Your statement on the the 23 countries that's getting a lot of good coverage.

That's good.

New York Times.

Yeah.

Should we talk about that all the time?

Yeah.

Yeah.

The boss has received a message from the dollar.

Oh, really?

Yes.

Yens, thank you for your nice statement on Fox

News.

We did indeed get lots of money and quickly from those nations that were not

paid, not paid off.

Keep up there at work.

You do not have the easiest job.

Look forward to seeing you soon, Donald.

Wow, Donald, thank you very much for your message.

Hope to see you soon too.

Best deal.

OK, but then seriously, how do we respond?

You know, thank you very, very much for your message.

I agree.

It's good to see that finally the Europeans are getting paid up.

She mentioned Russia that needs a stronger and and just stand up against

all the time regimes like Russia and China.

OK, yeah.

But the good news is that if they're embraced the 23,

then they take ownership to a positive story about NATO,

which is very good and also indicates that they're not going to leave NATO.

NATO celebrating 75 years, you mentioned, not quite as old as President Joe Biden.

Good to see you.

Yeah, thank you very much.

I'm very happy to be here with you for this session.

You do.

Thank you for the the millions.

So you reached 2%.

The first time I met him, he was at 1. 9 or something.

1.6 yeah, 1.6.

Then he promised to fix it and he fixed it.

So now.

What happens to Ukraine matters.

It matters to NATO, quite frankly, matters to the whole world.

And now I want to hand it over to the president of Ukraine,

who has as much courage as he has determination.

Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin, President Putin,

you can beat President Putin.

President Alinsky, I'm so focused on beating Putin.

We got to worry about it anyway.

Mr.

President, you are a hell walk.

Thank you so much.

We can be the welcome.

We met five years ago, his first visit five years ago.

That was another made with tie and his shirt.

I do like, I do like your shirt.

Where's the I hope the president of the States is here.

We need to sit over here, but we can say hello to to we saw each

other, yes.

But you know, Tortilla supported you very early with

the monitor drones.

Well, yes, almost.

The president was really promise to stick to, I would say after spoken,

but thank you for thinking because I need to impose some discipline in this group.

But you know, I can I can run.

The promise to Zalenski was to continue that support for as long as it takes.

That is hugely important to the to the secretary general and I think to some

extent it's been a driver of his engagement.

At the same time, it is also a burden because it's a

promise that you make.

It is difficult for yourself to deliver because you have to bring others together

to be able to deliver it.

That was the last piece of paper.

Very good.

This all done.

Now we can have here.

Let's have a beer.

I came to NATO in 2014 with a message of the terrorist defense and dialogue.

I still believe in that message.

At some stage we have to talk to Russia again,

and there are many examples that countries that have fought each other for

for centuries can be friends.

Germany, France, United Kingdom and many other powers

there have been in war with each other for centuries.

Swedes and Danes and Fins and Norwegians, we used to kill each other in and there's

a number of wars now we're living in deep peace.

It is not written in stone that we should have a bad relationship with Russia.

It is possible to change if there's anything to to support you after I just

tell me Ukraine is really the most important thing.

So so thank you.

I can call more all the all the Prime Minister friends on the tell them to

deliver more weapons, whatever that was seriously.

Also I feel that's the most meaningful thing right now.

So now it's I don't break free, free to work in was it you know,

sure he was the first interview with Trump.

Yes, I remember I spoke with Obama.

Who knows, Who knows?

NATO's alliance of nation were also made-up of leading,

and one person in particular has done an extraordinary job leading NATO for the

last decade.

Secretary General Stoltenberg, when you come forward,

he's a man of integrity, an intellectual wiggard,

a calm temperament and moment of crisis, a consummate diplomat who works as

leaders across the political spectrum and always finds a way to keep it moving

forward.

Secretary, you've guided this alliance through one

of the most consequential periods in the system.

I realized I was talking to your wife.

I personally ask you to extend your service.

Forgive me.

And you put your own plans on hold.

And a billion people across Europe and North America, indeed the whole world,

will reap the rewards of your labor for years to come.

For these reasons, I'm pleased to warn you,

the highest civilian I of the United States can bestow the Presidential Medal

of Freedom.

Ask the military.

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