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RON: There's never been
an inquiry of this scale
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in the annals of police history.
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He must speak with a Geordie accent.
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Anybody not meeting
these five points, they're gone.
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Mr Peter Sutcliffe?
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DAVID: I do not think
the man on the tape is the Ripper.
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You've made that clear.
I want that on record.
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But you're wrong.
This is starting to affect
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the public's confidence in
the police as a whole, nationally.
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RON: The most wanted man
of the century,
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more resources than anyone ever,
and you have failed.
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I want to ask everyone
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to please help us find the person
who killed my daughter.
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He won't be back in a hurry.
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MEG: No.
But he'll turn up somewhere.
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HE SIGHS
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SUTCLIFFE: It's quiet enough here,
isn't it?
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WOMAN: Yeah, it's fine.
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Come here all the time.
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We won't be disturbed.
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You got a tenner for me?
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Why don't we get in t'back?
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CAR APPROACHES
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Oh, no.
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Erm...
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You're my girlfriend.
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Is this your car, sir?
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Yes.
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Can you give me your name
and address?
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I am John Williams.
65 Dorchester Road, Rotherham.
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And who's she?
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My girlfriend.
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And what's her name?
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I don't know. We've not known
each other that long.
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Right.
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Just stay there.
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OFFICER: Just take the keys
out of your car.
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2-5-6 to Control.
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RADIO: 'Control speaking.'
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Number plate check, please.
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'Roger that. Go ahead.'
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Yeah, it's foxtrot, echo, hotel,
9-0-7, Juliet.
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Over.
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'That's coming up
as a Skoda saloon.
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'Owner is a Mr Aslam Khan. Over.'
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POLICE CAR DOOR
CLOSES
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APPROACHING FOOTSTEPS
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Right, so, the number plates
on your vehicle
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don't match that of the car itself.
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So what's gonna happen now is
I'm gonna arrest you both
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on suspicion of theft.
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And if this turns out
to be soliciting as well...
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Well, we'll get into that
back at the station.
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OK?
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Right, out you get.
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We'll leave your car.
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You heard him. Let's go.
Come on. Chop-chop.
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Come on.
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Yeah, stick them in the back.
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Where do you think you're going?
I need a piss.
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Well, quickly, then.
Do it over there.
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You've been in before, Olivia,
haven't you?
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For prostitution.
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And that's what you were doing
this evening when we picked you up.
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The fines get worse the more
you deny it. You know they do.
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You've got two kids at home -
it says so on here.
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So the more you sit there
not saying owt,
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the more the food's coming off
their table.
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Doesn't it?
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Doesn't it?
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Start by saying your name.
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You know my name.
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Nice and clearly, so PC Small here
can write it down.
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"My name is Olivia Reivers." Go on.
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My name is Olivia Reivers.
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"I am a prostitute."
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I'm a prostitute.
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"And I am guilty, yet again guilty,
of picking up a punter,
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"this time on the evening
of January 2nd 1981."
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Go on, you tell the story.
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Got picked up this evening.
For sex. Go on.
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For sex.
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£10.
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Got in his car, parked up.
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But that were it.
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Then that's when you came along.
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Right.
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Thank you.
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Right, if you just sign here,
I'll let you go.
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You'll get a court date through.
It'll likely mean another fine.
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More severe this time
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because it's repeat offences,
you see.
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This is just what happens
when you can't leave it alone.
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What about this bloke
who picked you up?
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His car number plates
weren't registered in his name.
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What's that got to do with me?
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Well, you've never met him,
or he's not a regular, or...?
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I've no idea who he is.
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He's just some...
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..just some ordinary guy.
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Mm.
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You've given your name
as John Williams
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of Canklow, Rotherham.
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There is no John Williams
of Canklow, Rotherham.
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So, come on. What's your real name?
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Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe.
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From?
Garden Lane, Heaton.
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Bradford?
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Aye.
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Now, is that your real name
and address, or are those more lies?
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No, no. You can check that.
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So why lie the first time, Peter?
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I said a fake name
because I panicked.
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I regret that now.
I should never have done it.
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Those plates on your car,
they don't belong to you, do they?
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You stole them. Why?
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Didn't want people seeing you
in red light areas.
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It's not against the law
to go in t'red light area.
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We're not saying it is.
It's whores who are criminals.
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We're not saying otherwise.
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We're asking why you'd be
driving about with stolen plates.
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So you're admitting
that you stole them, then?
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So, you've got that now?
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Sorry?
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I've admitted that,
so you can charge me and let me go.
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Well, what's the big hurry, Peter?
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I just wanna get back. That's all.
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To Bradford?
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Yeah, to Bradford, aye.
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A lot of this Ripper business,
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that's been up Bradford way,
hasn't it?
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Leach.
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Was that her name?
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The student. She were Bradford.
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You ever been questioned
about the Ripper, Peter?
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What's so funny about that?
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Look at me.
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Have you been questioned or not?
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Everybody has.
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This one, is it?
It's that one there.
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Right.
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DC Nunn.
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Where?
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Well, I doubt it.
He's never done Sheffield.
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What accent's he got?
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At one in t'morning?
You've no chance.
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No, there's nobody else here,
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and if there were, they'd tell you
the same bloody thing.
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Well, bail him, then.
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Leeds won't send anyone.
They're saying it's too late.
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So they're happy to bail him?
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Well, we can't keep him overnight,
Des. Not on stolen plates.
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Especially if he's admitted it.
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Well, that wouldn't be the reason
we're holding him.
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That'd be the excuse.
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We should follow their advice.
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Bob's right, sir.
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If Leeds aren't bothered,
why should we be?
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Because we're here,
and we can feel it.
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We can feel
that something ain't right.
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SCRAPING
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I thought you were off home.
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Is it just me
or is the car parked wrong?
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Punters usually park
pointing away from the road
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to stop people seeing in
when they're doing the business.
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He were facing out. Do you remember?
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Like he wanted a quick getaway.
Maybe.
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Or he weren't wanting sex.
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So if he weren't wanting sex,
what were he gonna do?
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But what with?
Sorry?
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Well... if he's t'Ripper,
he'd have had weapons on him,
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a hammer and...
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But we searched him,
searched his car. He never had owt.
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Bob.
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PHONE RINGS
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Yeah, that's fine.
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OK, yep, checking for you now.
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Thanks. Bye.
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PHONES RINGING
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RINGING CONTINUES
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Ford Corsair.
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Look.
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God, Sue.
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I'll get the others.
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Morning.
Morning.
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CLAMOURING
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Sue?
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Sue.
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What's happening?
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Have they... Have they got him?
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Think so.
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Right, so, they've kept him in,
this fella, overnight.
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So, what they're saying is
one of the coppers went back,
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had a look down by the side
of these bins, you know,
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where they've nicked him,
and that's where they've found it.
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Found what?
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Hammer and knife. Kitchen knife,
same as he used on Rytka.
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Fucking 'ell.
Phone Sheffield.
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Tell 'em
I want that scene sterile.
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No more coppers tramping about
and toing and froing.
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Well, no, look - to be fair,
they did find the weapons.
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There's nothing to link the weapons
to him, is there?
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not unless there's prints.
Are there prints?
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Well, I mean, we've gotta wait.
So where is he now?
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Well, they're bringing him
to West Yorkshire
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so we can take over.
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All right.
And these are his details?
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Yeah.
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Get me George Oldfield.
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Now, come on, what is it?
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Hm? This is everything
we've worked towards.
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This is him.
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PHONE RINGS
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Grange Moor.
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George. Yeah...
they think they've got him.
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'His name's Peter Sutcliffe.
Lorry driver.'
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'They're getting him back
to West Yorkshire as we speak.'
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We've been here before, Dick.
'Yeah, I know.'
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You have to be absolutely sure.
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'Agreed, but I'll get on it.'
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LINE DISCONNECTS
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Mrs Peter Sutcliffe?
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Can we have a word?
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Mrs Sutcliffe,
your husband is in police custody.
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He was brought in last night
in Sheffield,
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being transferred as we speak.
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TV NEWS PLAYS
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OK, listen love.
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I've got half the detectives
in the north of England
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saying that your Peter
is The Yorkshire Ripper -
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minds made up.
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So if there's anything you wanna
tell me that might dissuade them
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from that opinion, anything at all,
this is the time to say it.
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Do you mind if we ask
a few questions?
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FAINT: Just some specifics.
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Would that be all right, Sonia?
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Do you mind if I call you Sonia?
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Sonia, I have a list of dates,
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so if you can think of any way
to demonstrate...
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He would've been at work.
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Sorry?
Or he was with me.
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But Mrs Sutcliffe,
I haven't asked you the dates yet.
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TV PLAYS
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30th of the 10th, 1975.
Now, we know that's five years ago.
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It's vitally important that we know
the whereabouts of Peter.
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FAINT: Sonia, this is really...
John.
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There's one missing.
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I'll call Millgarth.
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His name's in nominal three times,
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his car's in vehicle
multiple times,
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and he's listed
in triple-area sightings...
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We did our bit, you know?
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If it's him, then everything were
logged and in the right places.
254
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It's all we could do.
255
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But if we did that,
then they must've been out.
256
00:19:07,821 --> 00:19:10,341
They must've interviewed him
already. They must've done.
257
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They did.... more than once.
258
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MAN: Far too many people
stood around doing nothing
259
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when there's plenty of work
to be done.
260
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So get on with it now!
261
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Have they asked you back in?
No, but they will do.
262
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They won't want me sitting round
here doing bugger all, will they?
263
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
264
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I will call you.
265
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CAR HORN BEEPS
266
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CLAMOURING,
SHOUTING
267
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HORN BLARES
Move!
268
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EXHALES DEEPLY
269
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The press are outside already.
270
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I'm speaking to them shortly.
271
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Yeah, I was just saying that
he's coughed up, he's confessed...
272
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about ten minutes ago.
He's admitted everything.
273
00:20:49,061 --> 00:20:52,461
He's admitted McCann,
Jackson, Richardson.
274
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He's even admitted to doing
another one after Barbara Leach.
275
00:20:56,901 --> 00:20:59,461
Now, apparently, he said that
he were hoping to get bail.
276
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He said he were gonna get a cab
to Sheffield, pick up them weapons,
277
00:21:03,261 --> 00:21:05,301
then he'd be in the clear.
278
00:21:05,341 --> 00:21:08,581
He... He said all that? What,
just to two bobbies in Sheffield?
279
00:21:08,621 --> 00:21:10,221
Well, he wants it all off his chest.
280
00:21:11,701 --> 00:21:14,621
He said things about the Hill murder
that only the killer could know.
281
00:21:14,661 --> 00:21:18,301
He said things...
well, that nobody ever should know.
282
00:21:19,381 --> 00:21:20,581
Well, let's have it.
283
00:21:22,261 --> 00:21:23,501
Is he a Geordie?
284
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He's from Bradford.
285
00:21:25,061 --> 00:21:27,261
But his voice, Jim.
286
00:21:27,301 --> 00:21:29,421
Does he sound like a Geordie?
287
00:21:29,461 --> 00:21:32,221
He sounds like he's from Bradford.
288
00:21:56,421 --> 00:21:58,741
Hello.
Afternoon. All right.
289
00:22:00,301 --> 00:22:01,861
George.
290
00:22:11,141 --> 00:22:14,821
We have, this afternoon,
in this very building,
291
00:22:14,861 --> 00:22:17,901
detained a man
on several counts of murder.
292
00:22:19,021 --> 00:22:23,061
We are questioning him
in relation to The Ripper murders.
293
00:22:24,261 --> 00:22:28,701
It is expected that he will appear
before the court tomorrow.
294
00:22:28,741 --> 00:22:30,861
JOURNALIST: Is it fair to say, then,
295
00:22:30,901 --> 00:22:33,181
that the hunt for The Ripper
is over?
296
00:22:33,221 --> 00:22:34,261
'That's right.'
297
00:22:34,301 --> 00:22:36,541
'So, have you got
any information on the man?'
298
00:22:36,581 --> 00:22:38,061
'Not at this stage.'
299
00:22:38,101 --> 00:22:40,421
JOURNALIST: 'Can you tell us
if he's got a Geordie accent?'
300
00:22:40,461 --> 00:22:43,981
'I cannot tell you that
because I've not heard him speak.'
301
00:22:44,021 --> 00:22:45,621
'Can you give us any details
at all?'
302
00:22:45,661 --> 00:22:47,981
I can tell you that we are
303
00:22:48,021 --> 00:22:52,101
absolutely delighted
with developments at this stage.
304
00:22:53,541 --> 00:22:55,221
'Absolutely delighted.'
305
00:22:55,261 --> 00:22:58,461
MAN: 'Now, please, gents.
Smile for the camera.'
306
00:22:59,701 --> 00:23:01,541
'Really delighted.'
307
00:23:01,581 --> 00:23:03,221
'Give us a smile, George!'
308
00:23:03,261 --> 00:23:04,701
THEY LAUGH
309
00:23:04,741 --> 00:23:06,461
And George is delighted, as well.
310
00:23:06,501 --> 00:23:07,941
Are you delighted, George?
311
00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:12,221
Give us a smile, George!
312
00:23:13,541 --> 00:23:15,101
Absolutely delighted.
313
00:23:15,141 --> 00:23:16,741
LAUGHTER
314
00:23:36,701 --> 00:23:38,981
JOURNALIST:
'The time is twenty past six.
315
00:23:39,021 --> 00:23:40,541
'The headlines again.
316
00:23:40,581 --> 00:23:43,701
'Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became
known as The Yorkshire Ripper,
317
00:23:43,741 --> 00:23:46,101
'was today sentenced
at the Old Bailey
318
00:23:46,141 --> 00:23:49,621
'to life imprisonment
for the murder of 13 women.
319
00:23:49,661 --> 00:23:51,341
'A lorry driver from Bradford,
320
00:23:51,381 --> 00:23:53,781
'Sutcliffe was a man
so unremarkable
321
00:23:53,821 --> 00:23:57,381
'that for five years, he was able
to elude the biggest manhunt
322
00:23:57,421 --> 00:23:58,901
'in criminal history.
323
00:23:58,941 --> 00:24:02,061
'During that time, he roamed freely
across the north of England,
324
00:24:02,101 --> 00:24:04,621
'attacking and murdering
women indiscriminately.
325
00:24:04,661 --> 00:24:06,501
'The judge, Mr Justice Boreham,
326
00:24:06,541 --> 00:24:09,541
'described Sutcliffe
as an unusually dangerous...'
327
00:24:15,061 --> 00:24:18,021
DISTANT CHATTER
328
00:24:22,581 --> 00:24:24,621
KNOCK AT DOOR
329
00:24:32,941 --> 00:24:36,181
You've seen it all?
That he admitted to it?
330
00:24:40,101 --> 00:24:41,421
Attacking you.
331
00:24:44,501 --> 00:24:47,701
So, now the trial's finished,
I was thinking we could get started.
332
00:24:47,741 --> 00:24:49,421
We can get that compensation.
333
00:25:07,261 --> 00:25:09,341
They've said it's gonna be
another couple of minutes
334
00:25:09,381 --> 00:25:12,901
before they come live to us
here in the studio.
335
00:25:12,941 --> 00:25:15,101
A make-up woman's coming.
336
00:25:15,141 --> 00:25:17,541
Why would I need make up
for a programme like this?
337
00:25:24,181 --> 00:25:27,741
PRESENTER: 'Let's see this opening.
Erm, "Trial of the century..." '
338
00:25:27,781 --> 00:25:29,021
I'll make us a tea.
339
00:25:31,141 --> 00:25:34,901
"Crime of the century"
or "Trial of the century", Tony?
340
00:25:34,941 --> 00:25:36,661
I think I can say both, don't you?
341
00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:39,301
TONY: Yeah, sure.
Shall we try that?
342
00:25:39,341 --> 00:25:42,261
You happy? Yeah, I think
it might be a bit stronger.
343
00:25:42,301 --> 00:25:45,061
Yeah, trial and crime.
Can you put that on the, erm...
344
00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:49,901
Put that on the autocue,
and I'll see what that sounds like.
345
00:25:49,941 --> 00:25:52,141
MAN: Going live in five.
Great, thank you.
346
00:25:53,221 --> 00:25:56,501
The crime and the trial
of the century is over.
347
00:25:56,541 --> 00:25:58,981
The Yorkshire Ripper
has been given a life sentence,
348
00:25:59,021 --> 00:26:01,381
and a five-year manhunt is finished.
349
00:26:01,421 --> 00:26:03,461
Yep, I think that's...
Yeah, I think that's better.
350
00:26:03,501 --> 00:26:05,101
We'll go for that. It's stronger.
351
00:26:06,181 --> 00:26:07,861
'Er, it's a stronger opening.'
352
00:26:07,901 --> 00:26:10,621
BELL RINGS
353
00:26:10,661 --> 00:26:12,541
Don't be nervous, now.
354
00:26:12,581 --> 00:26:15,581
Just remember to say
the things we spoke about.
355
00:26:15,621 --> 00:26:18,021
We've been through them
a thousand times.
356
00:26:35,101 --> 00:26:38,221
The crime and trial of the century
is over.
357
00:26:38,261 --> 00:26:40,701
The Yorkshire Ripper
has been given a life sentence,
358
00:26:40,741 --> 00:26:43,221
and a five-year manhunt is finished.
359
00:26:43,261 --> 00:26:46,221
But the questions
raised by that manhunt remain.
360
00:26:46,261 --> 00:26:49,861
How efficient was the hunt
for The Yorkshire Ripper?
361
00:26:49,901 --> 00:26:53,541
Ronald Gregory is the chief
constable of West Yorkshire Police.
362
00:26:53,581 --> 00:26:56,181
Irene MacDonald is the mother
of Jayne MacDonald,
363
00:26:56,221 --> 00:26:58,741
murdered by The Ripper in 1977.
364
00:26:58,781 --> 00:27:02,621
And she very bravely has agreed to
join us tonight in our Leeds studio.
365
00:27:02,661 --> 00:27:05,301
Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's been
following the investigation
366
00:27:05,341 --> 00:27:07,501
from the very beginning,
and his book on the case
367
00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,821
is now being rushed into print.
368
00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:13,301
Another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill,
is the mother of Jacqueline,
369
00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:14,821
The Ripper's last victim.
370
00:27:14,861 --> 00:27:18,061
She understandably cannot face
the prospect of visiting Leeds
371
00:27:18,101 --> 00:27:19,381
after what has happened,
372
00:27:19,421 --> 00:27:21,941
and so joins us
from one of our London studios.
373
00:27:21,981 --> 00:27:23,501
Chief Constable,
374
00:27:23,541 --> 00:27:26,101
was any wild goose chase
more wild
375
00:27:26,141 --> 00:27:28,901
than that which led the police
to concentrate all its attention
376
00:27:28,941 --> 00:27:30,221
on the voice recording?
377
00:27:30,261 --> 00:27:32,501
And the fact that
you instructed your men
378
00:27:32,541 --> 00:27:34,661
to discount anyone
who didn't have a Geordie accent.
379
00:27:34,701 --> 00:27:35,701
That's not...
380
00:27:35,741 --> 00:27:38,661
Thus allowing The Ripper,
who didn't have a Geordie accent,
381
00:27:38,701 --> 00:27:40,581
to go free for that much longer.
382
00:27:41,741 --> 00:27:45,461
'No, that's not true. You see,
that's a miss-statement immediately.
383
00:27:45,501 --> 00:27:49,381
'We did not reject anyone
who did not have a Geordie accent.
384
00:27:49,421 --> 00:27:53,861
'The decision on the tape was taken
after very careful consideration
385
00:27:53,901 --> 00:27:56,901
'because the senior investigating
officers were in a dilemma.
386
00:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,301
'Had they chosen
not to reveal the tape,
387
00:27:59,341 --> 00:28:02,421
'they may have faced
much worse criticism.
388
00:28:02,461 --> 00:28:06,701
'So when they did reveal it,
they had to be positive.'
389
00:28:06,741 --> 00:28:08,341
"They."
390
00:28:08,381 --> 00:28:10,501
But at no time was that
the only point of elimination.
391
00:28:10,541 --> 00:28:13,221
But you were eliminating people
who didn't have a Wearside accent.
392
00:28:13,261 --> 00:28:15,021
No, not solely on that.
393
00:28:16,141 --> 00:28:19,541
Mrs Hill,
do you now feel able to say,
394
00:28:19,581 --> 00:28:22,341
"It's over,
I have no more recriminations?"
395
00:28:24,501 --> 00:28:27,661
'There are aspects
that I'm not happy about.
396
00:28:27,701 --> 00:28:31,541
'The handbag was found
on the Monday evening.'
397
00:28:31,581 --> 00:28:34,701
But no-one bothered
to look for its owner.
398
00:28:34,741 --> 00:28:37,421
When the detectives
went to Jacqueline's body,
399
00:28:37,461 --> 00:28:39,461
they knew nothing at all
about that handbag.
400
00:28:39,501 --> 00:28:41,901
Could Mr Gregory clarify that?
401
00:28:43,261 --> 00:28:44,581
'Mr Gregory?'
402
00:28:48,181 --> 00:28:50,221
'I can't remember exactly.
403
00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:53,781
'I know the handbag had been found.
404
00:28:53,821 --> 00:28:56,261
'But I cannot say with any accuracy
405
00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:59,141
'whether the detectives
knew about it at the time.'
406
00:29:00,421 --> 00:29:01,981
'Mrs Hill,
would you welcome an inquiry
407
00:29:02,021 --> 00:29:04,261
'into the way the police
conducted the investigation?'
408
00:29:04,301 --> 00:29:06,661
Yes, I would.
409
00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:09,301
If there's going to be an inquiry,
can I see the report?
410
00:29:09,341 --> 00:29:12,741
Would Mrs Hill be entitled
to see that report?
411
00:29:13,981 --> 00:29:18,981
If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with
any aspect of the investigation,
412
00:29:19,021 --> 00:29:21,581
if she'd like to come
and see us at any time,
413
00:29:21,621 --> 00:29:25,021
we could explain to her
exactly what happened.
414
00:29:25,061 --> 00:29:27,501
Can I ask a simple question?
No doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong.
415
00:29:27,541 --> 00:29:29,701
But could you not
have done that earlier?
416
00:29:29,741 --> 00:29:32,061
Sent for Mrs Hill
and Mrs MacDonald here
417
00:29:32,101 --> 00:29:35,781
and invited them in
and set their minds at rest?
418
00:29:37,901 --> 00:29:40,501
Well, I don't know what they want
to be reassured about.
419
00:29:40,541 --> 00:29:43,101
'This is the first
I've heard of it.'
420
00:29:43,141 --> 00:29:44,701
'Really, Chief Constable?
421
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:46,061
'You see no error
422
00:29:46,101 --> 00:29:49,061
'in the five-and-a-half-years
investigation?'
423
00:29:49,101 --> 00:29:52,821
'Oh, there may have been errors.
We are not infallible.
424
00:29:52,861 --> 00:29:55,261
'But you are not informed
of what the police did.'
425
00:29:55,301 --> 00:29:57,501
I am informed
about what you didn't do,
426
00:29:57,541 --> 00:29:59,021
and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe.
427
00:29:59,061 --> 00:30:01,781
Oh, I'm aware of that.
That's pretty obvious.
428
00:30:01,821 --> 00:30:04,341
Though I'm glad that you welcome
a public inquiry.
429
00:30:04,381 --> 00:30:05,781
No, I didn't say that.
430
00:30:05,821 --> 00:30:07,981
I would not resent an inquiry,
431
00:30:08,021 --> 00:30:12,141
but who did the inquiry and how it
was conducted would be important.
432
00:30:12,181 --> 00:30:15,261
'You see, the public
and so many commentators
433
00:30:15,301 --> 00:30:16,501
'have criticised the police
434
00:30:16,541 --> 00:30:19,781
'when they have not been privy
to all that the police have done.
435
00:30:19,821 --> 00:30:23,301
'Until they are, they should
reserve judgement and criticism.'
436
00:30:27,101 --> 00:30:28,541
Well, we are grateful to everyone
437
00:30:28,581 --> 00:30:30,301
who's taken part
in tonight's discussion,
438
00:30:30,341 --> 00:30:32,901
but we're particularly mindful
of the courage it must have taken
439
00:30:32,941 --> 00:30:37,061
for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs Hill
to speak out in public tonight.
440
00:30:37,101 --> 00:30:39,541
'Our thoughts must be with them
441
00:30:39,581 --> 00:30:42,821
'and with all the other relatives
of the Ripper's victims.
442
00:30:42,861 --> 00:30:44,901
'From Leeds, good night.'
443
00:30:46,781 --> 00:30:49,221
CREW MEMBER:
Everybody stay seated.
444
00:30:49,261 --> 00:30:51,341
Nice and still
while the credits roll.
445
00:30:53,941 --> 00:30:55,341
BELL RINGS
OK, thanks everyone.
446
00:30:55,381 --> 00:30:57,101
We're just waiting to hear
from the gallery
447
00:30:57,141 --> 00:30:58,701
in case there's anything to pick up.
448
00:30:58,741 --> 00:31:01,061
CREW CHATTER
449
00:31:10,661 --> 00:31:12,421
What about the accent?
450
00:31:12,461 --> 00:31:14,261
What about the fact
that our daughter was told
451
00:31:14,301 --> 00:31:15,981
that men in Yorkshire were safe?
452
00:31:17,101 --> 00:31:19,101
And why did they call him
The Ripper?
453
00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:21,661
He said it over and over on TV,
"The Ripper".
454
00:31:21,701 --> 00:31:23,261
Like that's his name.
455
00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:25,061
That's just what they say, love.
No.
456
00:31:25,101 --> 00:31:27,701
That's what people used to say
when they didn't know who he was.
457
00:31:27,741 --> 00:31:29,421
When they didn't know his name.
458
00:31:29,461 --> 00:31:31,741
But now they know his name,
why don't they use it?
459
00:31:31,781 --> 00:31:34,461
Why do they have to say
that wretched word?
460
00:31:40,861 --> 00:31:42,541
I'll get someone
to take that thing off.
461
00:32:11,261 --> 00:32:13,701
"As Police Constable Andrew Laptew
462
00:32:13,741 --> 00:32:17,381
"sat in Sutcliffe's modestly
furnished living room in Bradford,
463
00:32:17,421 --> 00:32:20,021
"he realised that everything
the police knew about The Ripper
464
00:32:20,061 --> 00:32:21,821
"fitted the man he was questioning.
465
00:32:21,861 --> 00:32:25,701
"He became convinced
Sutcliffe was The Ripper.
466
00:32:25,741 --> 00:32:27,301
"He submitted a report
saying as much
467
00:32:27,341 --> 00:32:28,901
"to The Ripper headquarters
in Leeds."
468
00:32:28,941 --> 00:32:31,821
Everything just "fitted", did it?
It's not how it looks.
469
00:32:31,861 --> 00:32:34,981
Did everything just fall into place
for Sherlock fucking Holmes?
470
00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:36,701
How much they pay you?
They didn't.
471
00:32:36,741 --> 00:32:38,861
No? So why go round there?
I didn't.
472
00:32:38,901 --> 00:32:40,221
To cover his arse.
473
00:32:40,261 --> 00:32:41,541
He met Sutcliffe,
474
00:32:41,581 --> 00:32:44,581
and then all he did was hand in some
shitty bit of paper, and that's it.
475
00:32:44,621 --> 00:32:47,381
Three more lasses get butchered,
and he's got to live with that then,
476
00:32:47,421 --> 00:32:49,341
the fact that he never followed up.
477
00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:51,301
And that is why he called 'em.
Not true, sir.
478
00:32:51,341 --> 00:32:52,901
Make it known
that it wasn't his fault.
479
00:32:52,941 --> 00:32:56,221
A journalist knocked on my door.
He'd heard I'd put a report in.
480
00:32:56,261 --> 00:32:58,301
Said he'd got a tip.
A tip-off? From who?
481
00:32:58,341 --> 00:32:59,541
No idea. But I said nothing.
482
00:32:59,581 --> 00:33:02,221
Is someone trying to protect you?
Read the article.
483
00:33:02,261 --> 00:33:04,381
Cos you went round there...
You'll find no quotes...
484
00:33:04,421 --> 00:33:07,141
Sat there and had a cup of tea
with him in his front fucking room.
485
00:33:07,181 --> 00:33:09,261
I weren't the only one.
Sorry?
486
00:33:09,301 --> 00:33:11,661
He'd been interviewed nine times.
487
00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:15,781
Nine?
488
00:33:16,941 --> 00:33:19,261
That's what they're saying.
T'lasses in t'incident room.
489
00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:21,781
So what does it matter
who spoke to what journalist,
490
00:33:21,821 --> 00:33:25,621
when nine times we went round there,
and nine times we failed?
491
00:33:27,021 --> 00:33:29,181
Just like you failed
when I handed you that report
492
00:33:29,221 --> 00:33:32,501
cos you were blinded by that tape,
by that stupid accent. Careful.
493
00:33:32,541 --> 00:33:34,101
It's not me
that's got to live with it,
494
00:33:34,141 --> 00:33:36,341
with them three dead girls,
it's all of us.
495
00:33:36,381 --> 00:33:38,581
But it is you and Oldfield the most.
496
00:33:40,021 --> 00:33:42,301
You watch your fucking mouth.
497
00:33:52,261 --> 00:33:55,101
I want to create
a substantial new role for you.
498
00:33:56,221 --> 00:33:59,021
A role befitting of an
experienced chap like you, George.
499
00:33:59,061 --> 00:34:01,821
Chief of Operational Support.
500
00:34:01,861 --> 00:34:04,741
Running the engine room,
for the whole of West Yorkshire.
501
00:34:06,541 --> 00:34:08,141
To oversee the policing
of all vehicles
502
00:34:08,181 --> 00:34:11,421
and road-based transport
in our portion of the county.
503
00:34:11,461 --> 00:34:12,621
Traffic.
504
00:34:12,661 --> 00:34:15,581
To oversee the safekeeping of
criminal records and documentation.
505
00:34:15,621 --> 00:34:17,101
The library.
506
00:34:17,141 --> 00:34:20,941
And a full oversight of frogmen,
police dogs and police horses.
507
00:34:20,981 --> 00:34:23,941
Animals.
Frogmen aren't animals, George.
508
00:34:23,981 --> 00:34:25,941
They just have an animal
in their name.
509
00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,261
Well, I won't do it.
510
00:34:28,941 --> 00:34:32,781
I'm not going from Head of CID
to running the police farmyard.
511
00:34:34,061 --> 00:34:36,701
People'll think I've been fired.
512
00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:45,261
There's shit
coming down the line, George.
513
00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:49,541
And before I retire, I want
to make sure that you are protected.
514
00:34:53,181 --> 00:34:55,101
We attribute it to your health.
515
00:34:57,061 --> 00:34:58,861
Needn't be a reflection
of you and your team.
516
00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:02,861
What about Dick?
517
00:35:02,901 --> 00:35:05,181
I'll find something for Dick.
518
00:35:05,221 --> 00:35:06,661
Oh, well...
519
00:35:08,021 --> 00:35:10,821
..you know, if there's shit
coming down the line,
520
00:35:10,861 --> 00:35:14,181
then you put as many people
in the way of it as you can, eh?
521
00:35:15,701 --> 00:35:17,341
Don't hold back.
522
00:35:20,781 --> 00:35:24,061
Oh, Margaret wanted to know
if those gifts had arrived.
523
00:35:24,101 --> 00:35:25,701
For Grace's birthday.
524
00:35:25,741 --> 00:35:27,061
Oh, I don't know, George.
525
00:35:28,741 --> 00:35:30,861
That's very kind of her.
I shall ask.
526
00:35:30,901 --> 00:35:33,101
Well, she's good like that, my wife.
527
00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:36,501
Considerate.
528
00:35:39,781 --> 00:35:41,341
DOOR OPENS
529
00:35:55,661 --> 00:35:57,941
Mr Byford, Mr Nevill.
Morning.
530
00:35:57,981 --> 00:36:00,701
If you want to follow me,
I can show you upstairs?
531
00:36:00,741 --> 00:36:01,901
Thank you.
Yep.
532
00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:06,141
You are a bit earlier
than we expected,
533
00:36:06,181 --> 00:36:07,541
but, er, we're nearly ready.
534
00:36:08,981 --> 00:36:11,061
This is Mr Byford,
535
00:36:11,101 --> 00:36:13,261
he'll be doing the official inquiry.
Hello.
536
00:36:13,301 --> 00:36:14,541
Hello.
OFFICER: Sir.
537
00:36:15,701 --> 00:36:19,621
Did you ladies work on the inquiry,
or are you just packing things up?
538
00:36:22,901 --> 00:36:24,581
We did our share, sir.
539
00:36:25,701 --> 00:36:28,221
Mr Byford requested you draw
all accounts from your system
540
00:36:28,261 --> 00:36:29,701
that might relate to Sutcliffe.
541
00:36:29,741 --> 00:36:32,061
Vehicles, Photofits,
anything you might think relevant.
542
00:36:32,101 --> 00:36:34,141
Yes, sir. Follow me.
543
00:36:36,221 --> 00:36:38,141
Statements, sightings,
544
00:36:38,181 --> 00:36:40,901
any other paperwork, we've boxed up
and we've put in this office
545
00:36:40,941 --> 00:36:43,861
cos, well,
it's more private in here.
546
00:36:48,021 --> 00:36:51,501
These Photofits go back from 1972.
547
00:36:51,541 --> 00:36:53,581
These are from the women
who survived.
548
00:36:53,621 --> 00:36:57,661
The women he attacked
or followed or chased.
549
00:36:59,421 --> 00:37:01,581
The ones he left for dead.
550
00:37:01,621 --> 00:37:04,301
These are what they said they saw.
551
00:37:04,341 --> 00:37:07,741
But not all of the women
were believed.
552
00:37:07,781 --> 00:37:12,501
And these two photos, sir,
these are of Sutcliffe himself.
553
00:37:13,621 --> 00:37:16,421
Er, this one from January.
554
00:37:16,461 --> 00:37:21,621
And this one from when
he was arrested in '69.
555
00:37:23,901 --> 00:37:25,581
Arrested in '69?
556
00:37:25,621 --> 00:37:27,861
For going equipped.
557
00:37:27,901 --> 00:37:31,021
He was caught, late at night,
carrying a hammer.
558
00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:36,941
That's when he started.
559
00:38:29,381 --> 00:38:30,741
KNOCK AT DOOR
560
00:38:33,221 --> 00:38:35,021
Richard McCann?
561
00:38:35,061 --> 00:38:37,021
Is this about our Sonia?
What's she done now?
562
00:38:37,061 --> 00:38:38,901
She only left the house
about an hour ago.
563
00:38:38,941 --> 00:38:40,261
Are you the son of Wilma McCann?
564
00:38:42,101 --> 00:38:44,141
I'm Detective Chief Superintendent
Chris Gregg.
565
00:38:44,181 --> 00:38:46,501
I was a young detective
on the Peter Sutcliffe case.
566
00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:48,821
Sorry, but what's this...?
567
00:38:48,861 --> 00:38:50,741
Because I find these things...
568
00:38:50,781 --> 00:38:52,341
Can I come in?
569
00:38:57,501 --> 00:38:59,941
I've been visiting
all the next of kin,
570
00:38:59,981 --> 00:39:03,181
those related to the victims,
as we've had a development.
571
00:39:04,821 --> 00:39:08,501
A few years ago, we arrested a man
for being drunk and disorderly.
572
00:39:08,541 --> 00:39:09,901
As a result of his conviction,
573
00:39:09,941 --> 00:39:11,621
he had to provide us
with a DNA sample
574
00:39:11,661 --> 00:39:13,581
for the National Database.
575
00:39:13,621 --> 00:39:15,901
Because I'm now Chief Super,
576
00:39:15,941 --> 00:39:19,621
and because this case
really matters to me,
577
00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:22,541
I make sure to run DNA tests
every few years, you see.
578
00:39:22,581 --> 00:39:23,941
Tests on what?
579
00:39:23,981 --> 00:39:26,821
On the man who wrote the letters.
580
00:39:27,901 --> 00:39:29,901
There were never any prints,
but recently,
581
00:39:29,941 --> 00:39:32,061
we found DNA
where he licked the envelope.
582
00:39:32,101 --> 00:39:35,461
So two weeks ago, we ran the tests,
583
00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:37,381
and we found a direct match
584
00:39:37,421 --> 00:39:40,261
with the man who we'd arrested
for being drunk and disorderly.
585
00:39:41,301 --> 00:39:43,261
That man...
586
00:39:43,301 --> 00:39:44,661
is the man on the tape.
587
00:39:46,261 --> 00:39:47,261
The man...
588
00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:49,581
The man who sent the tape.
589
00:39:52,221 --> 00:39:53,421
He's owned up to it.
590
00:39:55,461 --> 00:39:59,021
Said that it was him,
that he regrets it,
591
00:39:59,061 --> 00:40:00,421
the damage that he's caused...
592
00:40:00,461 --> 00:40:02,381
Wait. No, no, no. I, er...
593
00:40:05,301 --> 00:40:07,701
I need to hear him.
Hear his voice.
594
00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:09,781
I-I need to...
Is there any way that you...?
595
00:40:09,821 --> 00:40:11,861
Yeah,
that's one of the reasons I'm here.
596
00:40:11,901 --> 00:40:13,901
Do you mind if I use
your DVD player? No.
597
00:40:13,941 --> 00:40:15,221
It's just to show you,
598
00:40:15,261 --> 00:40:17,261
like I'm showing
all the other friends and family.
599
00:40:17,301 --> 00:40:20,261
But only if it'll help.
You don't have to.
600
00:40:24,261 --> 00:40:27,021
His name is John Humble.
He's from Sunderland.
601
00:40:28,821 --> 00:40:30,021
We had him read out the letters
602
00:40:30,061 --> 00:40:32,221
in case he later
withdrew his confession.
603
00:40:32,261 --> 00:40:33,861
'We've got a transcript here.
604
00:40:33,901 --> 00:40:36,261
'Would you read that
for us please, John? Back in...'
605
00:40:36,301 --> 00:40:39,981
'That's if I can see it.
My eyes are a bit dodgy, you know.'
606
00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:41,541
'Take your time.'
607
00:40:41,581 --> 00:40:43,461
' "I'm Jack.
608
00:40:43,501 --> 00:40:47,341
' "I see you are still
having no luck catching me.
609
00:40:47,381 --> 00:40:52,101
' "I have the greatest respect
for you, George, but, Lord!
610
00:40:52,141 --> 00:40:57,581
' "You are no nearer catching me now
than four years ago, when I started.
611
00:40:59,541 --> 00:41:02,661
' "I reckon your boys
are letting you down, George.
612
00:41:02,701 --> 00:41:05,981
' "They can't be much good,
can they?
613
00:41:06,021 --> 00:41:07,621
' "The only time
they came near..." '
614
00:41:07,661 --> 00:41:09,101
RECORDING STOPS
615
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:11,341
That's him.
616
00:41:13,261 --> 00:41:14,421
The voice.
617
00:41:17,781 --> 00:41:19,301
The man who killed Mum.
618
00:41:20,381 --> 00:41:21,421
No, no.
619
00:41:21,461 --> 00:41:23,541
He's just the man who...
No, no...
620
00:41:23,581 --> 00:41:25,701
Maybe not for you, but for me.
621
00:41:27,421 --> 00:41:30,341
D'you know, when they first caught
Sutcliffe, no-one bothered.
622
00:41:32,861 --> 00:41:34,661
They were busy patting
each other on the back,
623
00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:37,621
but no-one actually came
to tell me and Sonia, so thank you.
624
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:44,861
Why...
625
00:41:46,341 --> 00:41:48,861
..did he do that?
Why did he send the tape?
626
00:41:48,901 --> 00:41:50,941
You must have asked him.
Yeah.
627
00:41:50,981 --> 00:41:52,341
And...?
628
00:41:53,501 --> 00:41:55,261
Notoriety.
629
00:41:57,101 --> 00:41:59,061
And everything he said on the tape,
630
00:41:59,101 --> 00:42:02,821
every word and every detail
that he put down in those letters,
631
00:42:02,861 --> 00:42:04,541
it was all there
in the papers already.
632
00:42:04,581 --> 00:42:08,861
It was all there for him
to read and write down
633
00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:10,701
and pass off as his own.
634
00:42:10,741 --> 00:42:12,781
And my predecessors,
they never worked that out.
635
00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:14,501
And, erm... you know...
636
00:42:16,381 --> 00:42:17,661
..I only wish they had.
637
00:42:32,741 --> 00:42:34,341
MAN: Hello, mate.
638
00:42:34,381 --> 00:42:36,341
'People often ask me...
639
00:42:37,701 --> 00:42:42,941
'.."how you do you even begin
to get over something like that?" '
640
00:42:44,221 --> 00:42:48,221
And, erm, "What it's like,
being a survivor?"
641
00:42:48,261 --> 00:42:49,981
HE SCOFFS
642
00:42:50,021 --> 00:42:52,061
We're not survivors.
We're surviving.
643
00:42:52,101 --> 00:42:55,301
It's a, er... What do you call it?
644
00:42:55,341 --> 00:42:56,981
A work in progress.
645
00:42:57,021 --> 00:42:58,901
We're managing.
646
00:42:58,941 --> 00:43:00,341
The good days...
647
00:43:01,461 --> 00:43:03,781
..and the bad days.
648
00:43:03,821 --> 00:43:04,941
And, erm...
649
00:43:04,981 --> 00:43:07,301
the best we can hope for
is that very rare thing.
650
00:43:07,341 --> 00:43:08,821
The odd day, when you're working...
651
00:43:08,861 --> 00:43:11,141
I'm a motivational speaker
these days.
652
00:43:12,501 --> 00:43:14,781
But whatever it might be,
when...
653
00:43:16,621 --> 00:43:18,461
..when it doesn't cross your mind.
654
00:43:21,181 --> 00:43:23,581
Or at least you think it doesn't,
and...
655
00:43:23,621 --> 00:43:25,581
till right before bedtime,
656
00:43:25,621 --> 00:43:27,741
when it pops into your head,
and you think...
657
00:43:27,781 --> 00:43:31,341
"Oh, God...
I nearly made it through."
658
00:43:35,941 --> 00:43:37,021
Sorry.
659
00:43:46,821 --> 00:43:48,621
Our mum were never a prostitute.
660
00:43:50,701 --> 00:43:53,701
Yes, she liked a drink,
and-and...
661
00:43:53,741 --> 00:43:55,061
yes, she had boyfriends.
662
00:43:55,101 --> 00:43:57,381
She-She probably
got up to all sorts.
663
00:43:57,421 --> 00:44:00,461
The point is,
the police never bothered to check.
664
00:44:02,061 --> 00:44:03,541
Those men in charge,
665
00:44:03,581 --> 00:44:06,341
they were more fixed
on finding out who he was.
666
00:44:06,381 --> 00:44:09,261
They never even bothered
to find out who Mum was.
667
00:44:09,301 --> 00:44:10,901
And it was the same
for the rest of them.
668
00:44:12,341 --> 00:44:14,021
The police, they showed up,
669
00:44:14,061 --> 00:44:18,341
and they saw a crime scene,
and they saw a victim.
670
00:44:18,381 --> 00:44:22,741
But what very few of them
ever actually saw were the women.
671
00:44:27,661 --> 00:44:29,141
And that's what's important now.
672
00:44:31,541 --> 00:44:33,381
We want to make those women visible.
673
00:44:35,301 --> 00:44:36,661
We want to see 'em in colour.
674
00:44:39,901 --> 00:44:44,821
We want to bring them out of that...
that same long shadow.
675
00:47:14,701 --> 00:47:16,701
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