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It's really good to be back.
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And we'll let the show commence.
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Its OK
when you're in a studio
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and there's no one there.
You can say, "I love you.?
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But, when there's a couple
of thousand people there,
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I'd much prefer fo say,
"I'll knock your head off."
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Philip was
a dreamer and a lover.
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He had such a huge heart.
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Smart, he was sensitive.
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For a hard rocker,
he was very, very sensitive.
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He was fun-loving, man,
he was a half-full guy.
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And talented beyond belief.
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He was all those things.
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He was young,
but how many people accomplish
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what Philip accomplished
in his life?
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What I always
feel sad about is that
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there's so much focus
on the death
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and I would love to just
know more about the man,
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the living man, the happy,
amazing, creative,
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you know, loving,
loving, loveable man.
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Well, Philip was utterly unique.
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Exotic, exciting, thrilling,
and yet Irish as well.
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If anybody had been born
to be a Rasta,
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Phil Lynott was born
to be a Rasta.
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The man was
red hot, he was on fire.
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You just wanted to be near him.
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Literally the best
hard rock entertainer
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I've ever seen, ever.
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One of the greatest songwriters
of all time.
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He was fearless
in his song writing.
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He wrote pieces of lyric music
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that touched people's hearts.
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He brought poetry
into rock music.
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He had all the moves,
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but he was very sincere
with the audience.
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He knew how to connect with them
without... It wasn't an act.
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It was Phil.
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He was
a very, very complex person.
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This is a man that it's going to
take you years to get to know.
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Someone who will
constantly surprise you.
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He was a kid living in Dublin.
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Living with his grandmother.
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Being the only Black kid
in Ireland at this point.
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He was just
trying to tell us who he was.
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He was a very intelligent,
cultured man,
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in spite of all the razzamatazz.
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He knew the power of the words.
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Philip was just
writing his life.
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He was writing the story
of his life.
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Green grass.
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A girl who used to live
across the road.
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Rain, my granny.
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And me in short trousers.
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When I went over to England,
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I was seventeen,
and I got myself in trouble.
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And a big, tall Black gentleman
became the father of Philip.
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And, in those days,
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if a girl had a baby
without a ring on her finger,
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she was soiled goods.
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And I got battered and beaten
because I was the mother
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of the Black baby.
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Philomena Lynott went through
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an extremely difficult
number of years
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before she made the decision
that Philip would be better
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back in Dublin
with her mother and father.
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I asked
my mother would she help me,
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and my mother took Philip,
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and it was heart-rending
fo leave him.
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14-15 months between us, like,
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we grew up basically
as brothers.
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Definitely did have
an English accent.
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He soon lost that.
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You hear him, he's real Dub.
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Crumlin was
a very special place.
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Big families,
there was nine of us.
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There was no such thing
as contraception then, you know.
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Two bedrooms
and an outside toilet.
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There was two double beds
in the back room
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and two double beds
in the front room.
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School, of course,
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that was just pandemonium.
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I remember exactly
the first morning
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walking through the gates.
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There was a crowd
of chaps there.
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Like, you just didn't see
Black people in Ireland in the '50s.
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And then the name came out.
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"Hey, blackie!"
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"Hey, blackie!"
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You know, and, my, the hairs
on the back of my neck.
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And I just said,
"Philip, come on,
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let's get stuck into this."
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And we went over.
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And we were in more fights,
the two of us,
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around the first few weeks
in school,
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but that was the end of it.
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They just stopped it after that.
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So, yeah, those were the days.
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I don't think he had
an easy childhood.
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And it must've
been bloody hard for him,
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if you think about it.
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Being the only Black kid
in the school
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and having a mother
that visited from England.
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But he adored his mother
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and he would've done anything
for his mother.
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I certainly always saw
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a very strong
connection between
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the rebel spirit
that Philip had
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and the rebel spirit
that Philomena had shown.
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He reflected an extraordinary
love of Philomena
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in his song writing.
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A child who is separated
from the parent
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that has brought them up for
the first seven or eight years,
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that is obviously going
to have a huge impact.
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At that time,
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Ireland was very much
an oppressive state.
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In many ways,
precisely the opposite
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of the land of opportunity.
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But there was a sense that
rock and roll mattered.
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Show bands dominated
music in Ireland.
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Dancehalls everywhere
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and people dancing
seven nights a week.
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Big ballrooms
in the middle of nowhere.
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No alcohol
and the opposite sex.
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Kind of a teenage show band.
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It was a very innocent thing
when you think back on it.
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There's a bunch of fifteen
or sixteen-year-olds
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going around the place
and getting paid to do it.
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We used
to call ourselves The Eagles.
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Then we heard there was a little
Mickey Mouse band in America
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called The Eagles.
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So, we said
we'd better change our name.
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And then, of course,
when Philip came in,
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it was an automatic change
to The Black Eagles.
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We'd be out travelling, playing
second fiddle to the show bands.
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And we could be going to
Dundalk, or Tramore or Galway.
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Then you'd be back home and up
for school the next morning.
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If Philip was short of something,
he was short of confidence.
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But he stood out.
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Bear in mind,
I'm only thirteen at the time
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but I knew he had
something special.
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We make connections
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which can have
a transformative effect.
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The fact Philip connected
with Brian Downey at school
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was something
that mattered hugely
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to the way in which his life
and his career developed.
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One Monday morning, me and
Brian Downey were called down
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fo the headmaster and he goes,
"What do you wanna do?
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Do you want a good,
steady trade and job
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and be able fo support
a wife and children
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or do you want fo be
a dirty rock musician?"
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I remember
when he joined Skid Row
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Brush Shiels would say,
"Get out in front there, Philip,
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and take the jigs."
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And he picked Philip
'cause he was a looker.
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I'm a big Harry Belafonte fan,
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I says, "Who's this guy?
He looks good.
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If he can sing,
then we're in business."
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So, I went in and I said to him,
"What do you like?"
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And he says to me,
"I like Paul Simon,
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"I Am A Rock"."
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I said, "Ah, nothing..."
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Then he says, "I like Nico
and The Velvet Underground."
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I says, "No, nothing like that.
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Like, you wanna be Jimi Hendrix,
that's where we're going."
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That was a great line-up.
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Gary Moore had arrived
down from Belfast
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at the age of sixteen,
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to become the guitar player
in Skid Row.
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He'd go on to have a relationship
with Philip over the years,
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as a sideman
and as a rival.
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This was a band
that had pedigree.
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The ideal training ground,
really, for performance.
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He wasn't singing
on key that well.
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But then it turned out that he had
a very bad tonsil in his throat.
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So, his ma brought him over
to Manchester
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to get his tonsils done.
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When he came back,
I had to let him go.
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He came on my honeymoon,
he was one of my best pals.
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I took it very badly and he took it
very badly but it had to be done.
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There's no turning back
with these things.
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You knew, for Phil to survive,
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I told him, "You have to play
an instrument."
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And I promised
that I'd teach him how to play.
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And the next day
he was up at my house
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to start the bass lessons.
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That was it, away he went.
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The beginning of Philo.
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The first thing you need
to know about the bass is
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it's that big heavy thing that
hangs down between your legs.
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The bass is this secret weapon,
it's where the power comes from.
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It locks in a groove
with the drum Kit.
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The drums and the bass give you
that nice, sexy
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wiggle of the hips.
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And then all the other
girly stuff sits on top.
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But we are the men of the band.
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Philip became
a very accomplished musician,
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so it was a weapon in his hands.
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Da-da!
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This is where it all happens,
folks.
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I remember the first night I ever
went out in Dublin on my own.
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I went round all these pubs,
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"Do you know any
bass players and drummers?"
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"Sorry, we can't help you."
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I thought, "You silly bastard.
What have you done?'
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And then I met Eric Wrixon
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and we ended up going
to the Countdown Club.
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Next minute, this band
walked on the stage
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and Philip was the singer and
Brian Downey was the drummer.
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Laugh at this or not, but
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a wise man makes
his own opportunities.
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And I'd said, "Right."
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I got up, sort of staggered over
to the changing room door
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and knocked on it.
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"Come in."
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I forgot to mention this.
It was my first trip on acid.
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I couldn't talk to them.
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I was giggling
at everything I said.
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And they thought I was
an escaped nutter or something.
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And I said, "Yeah, I'm actually
looking for a bass player
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and drummer and
I can't find anybody
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and my money's running out..."
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And Phil said, "Right, we'll
form a band with you, Eric,
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on two conditions.
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Number one:
I wanna play the bass."
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And I said, "OK,
can you play the bass?"
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He said, "I'm getting lessons
from Brush Shiels."
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"OK, what's the second?"
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He said, "I wanna do
some of my own songs."
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And when I heard Philip's songs,
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I imagined my own guitar
playing in them.
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I just knew.
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Philip started
his early writing career
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as a kind of poet,
and that's what he was.
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The songs come
from inspiration,
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but I don't really check out
where the inspiration comes from
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cause thats getting
foo close fo the mark.
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You write about what you know
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and Philip wrote about
his life in Dublin.
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There was
a cinema called The Star.
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And all the kids went there.
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They showed
all the cowboy movies.
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Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy,
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all those movies,
so we used to go there.
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The whole
point of Philip's existence
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was this miasma of different
cultural interactions.
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Comic books,
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you had Irish myths and legends:
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the children of Lir, Cuchulain.
249
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You had cowboys,
he was obsessed with cowboys.
250
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And Philip found his own
niche in the middle of all that
251
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with the mythical
as well as mystical.
252
00:19:22,845 --> 00:19:24,146
He liked everything
from the Lone Ranger
253
00:19:24,347 --> 00:19:25,815
to Gnasher and
Dennis the Menace
254
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in the Beano at the time.
255
00:19:43,633 --> 00:19:45,501
The first Lizzy variant
was a four-piece.
256
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Eric Wrixon on keyboard.
257
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And essentially he was let go
258
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simply because they weren't
generating enough money.
259
00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:03,252
Philip said,
"Traffic got a house together,
260
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the Allman Brothers
got a house together,
261
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Crosby, Stills and Nash
have got a house together,
262
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and they're doing it because
they can work on their music
263
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all day every day.
264
00:20:13,195 --> 00:20:14,230
You're living it."
265
00:20:16,065 --> 00:20:18,501
Philip had tuned in to the idea
266
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that you could express yourself
through music
267
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and he found a voice.
268
00:20:25,942 --> 00:20:28,377
Philip had this amazing
energy about him.
269
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I'd be sitting on the sofa
with an acoustic guitar
270
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and Brian Downey doing this.
271
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Philip would say,
"I've got this idea.
272
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What was that you were playing?"
273
00:20:41,424 --> 00:20:43,492
And I'd play it,
and he said, "No,
274
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too bluesy. No, too jazzy.
Too folky. Too rocky."
275
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I said,
"What do you frickin' want?
276
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It's all I know.
You've heard it, you know."
277
00:20:54,804 --> 00:20:58,674
And he'd say, "Yeah,
that's when you start."
278
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You could see Philip
developing as a lyric writer
279
00:21:03,045 --> 00:21:06,082
and he was sort of
folky, mystic,
280
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part of that folk tradition
that was happening at the time.
281
00:21:10,453 --> 00:21:12,989
There was more honesty in
his writing in the early days.
282
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Much more innocent.
283
00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:18,027
He hadn't had a taste
of the bigtime yet.
284
00:21:19,261 --> 00:21:21,797
Philip created
a cast of characters.
285
00:21:22,565 --> 00:21:24,100
He was looking
at the people he knew.
286
00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:27,036
And he was including them
in his songs.
287
00:21:28,638 --> 00:21:31,040
It was a summer,
so you know how summers stretch.
288
00:21:31,173 --> 00:21:33,776
You always think they're much
longer than they actually are.
289
00:21:34,343 --> 00:21:36,479
They had a little summer house,
a conservatory thing
290
00:21:36,612 --> 00:21:38,014
attached to the side
of the house.
291
00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:39,415
They said I could
basically stay there
292
00:21:39,582 --> 00:21:42,752
providing I made sure there was bread
and cornflakes and all that stuff.
293
00:21:42,918 --> 00:21:44,387
We got on incredibly well.
294
00:21:44,854 --> 00:21:47,723
There was nothing physical
at all, it was just verbal.
295
00:21:48,624 --> 00:21:50,559
And then after that
something had changed.
296
00:21:55,698 --> 00:21:57,633
The first time I heard,
I was a bit worried
297
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,602
he was improving a bit too fast
for my liking.
298
00:22:31,667 --> 00:22:34,136
"Be afraid". I mean, that's
kind of worrying, isn't it?
299
00:22:34,403 --> 00:22:35,538
"Be afraid".
300
00:22:50,052 --> 00:22:52,621
I had a ferocious side
in those days, I had a temper.
301
00:23:00,663 --> 00:23:03,466
I had an awful lot going on in my
head, I wanted answers to everything.
302
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,735
I spent my entire life
asking why, when,
303
00:23:05,935 --> 00:23:07,803
what am I doing here,
who am I?
304
00:23:07,937 --> 00:23:10,840
And I think he had
a similar thing going on.
305
00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:15,878
At one stage, during the time
I managed the band,
306
00:23:16,045 --> 00:23:19,482
we took a break,
and it was around Philip's 21st.
307
00:23:20,483 --> 00:23:22,718
We decided we'd go to London
for the holiday.
308
00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:26,155
And Philip said
to myself and Brian,
309
00:23:27,156 --> 00:23:30,493
"My mother says my dad
works there as a barber.
310
00:23:31,494 --> 00:23:33,796
So, I'd like to see
if I can find him.
311
00:23:34,864 --> 00:23:38,934
This is both a sad and
funny story in a weird way.
312
00:23:39,602 --> 00:23:43,339
But anyway, we went onto the road
and there were loads of barber shops
313
00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:46,509
and Philip went in and
myself and Brian stayed outside.
314
00:23:47,476 --> 00:23:49,879
And Philip came out
and he said, "No, no, no."
315
00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:53,115
So then, we only went down
about two or three shops
316
00:23:53,315 --> 00:23:54,583
and there was
another barber shop
317
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:56,619
and the same thing happened:
"No, no, no."
318
00:23:56,786 --> 00:23:59,388
Anyway, after about
the fifth one, Philip came out
319
00:23:59,555 --> 00:24:00,923
and said, "Fuck this."
320
00:24:01,423 --> 00:24:02,591
And we just went off.
321
00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:05,561
I suppose it might've been
to do with our age
322
00:24:05,694 --> 00:24:10,466
or how men maybe, or young men
behaved at the time.
323
00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,468
It didn't really occur to me
324
00:24:12,635 --> 00:24:16,839
that, "Oh, God,
he's looking for his dad."
325
00:24:17,473 --> 00:24:20,242
Or anything like that, that was
just something he was doing.
326
00:24:21,343 --> 00:24:24,880
But he just kept saying,
"I'd really like to find him."
327
00:24:28,984 --> 00:24:32,388
It was like he resigned himself
to it very rapidly.
328
00:24:33,189 --> 00:24:36,692
He wouldn't be the kind of person
that would want to spoil our day.
329
00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,595
So, we just came out of there
and we just went off.
330
00:24:39,762 --> 00:24:43,032
I think we went to Kensington Market
and bought some bell bottoms.
331
00:25:36,151 --> 00:25:38,988
Even though he was
an easy-going kind of bloke,
332
00:25:39,655 --> 00:25:40,990
there was a drive there
333
00:25:41,156 --> 00:25:45,828
that he'd start setting
his sights on things, higher.
334
00:25:51,834 --> 00:25:54,703
He didn't wanna hang around
too long around Dublin.
335
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:57,539
That guy had ambitions.
336
00:25:59,341 --> 00:26:01,644
I don't know anybody who
doesn't want to move forward.
337
00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,414
In that time, most people left, and
to get anywhere, you had to leave.
338
00:26:05,581 --> 00:26:07,316
There's a big wide world
out there.
339
00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,385
Never mind England,
there was America.
340
00:26:09,618 --> 00:26:11,120
So, no, he wanted to go.
341
00:26:11,553 --> 00:26:14,323
He wanted to record,
he wanted a recording deal.
342
00:26:14,657 --> 00:26:15,958
He wasn't getting that
in Ireland.
343
00:26:16,792 --> 00:26:17,993
He was on a different path,
344
00:26:18,193 --> 00:26:20,029
a path that he'd known
from a young age.
345
00:26:24,633 --> 00:26:26,035
He loved Dublin.
346
00:26:26,302 --> 00:26:27,503
Dublin was home.
347
00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:29,638
You know, it was
where the heart is.
348
00:26:30,339 --> 00:26:32,141
He was in love with Dublin.
349
00:26:32,441 --> 00:26:34,443
He loved being a Dub.
350
00:26:36,111 --> 00:26:37,179
Up the Dubs.
351
00:26:40,382 --> 00:26:42,885
It really was
an extraordinary love affair.
352
00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:51,186
How do you write that?
You have to be there.
353
00:27:51,387 --> 00:27:53,422
You have to live there
before you can say that.
354
00:27:54,656 --> 00:27:56,792
There's that
wonderful line it where he says,
355
00:27:56,959 --> 00:27:58,627
"And that sea
with blowing hair".
356
00:27:58,794 --> 00:28:02,664
You know, he just encapsulated
what it was like to stand there
357
00:28:03,298 --> 00:28:08,337
and to look at this strip
of land just disappear.
358
00:28:08,804 --> 00:28:12,441
And the loved ones
you leave behind.
359
00:28:53,348 --> 00:28:56,718
A lot of people think we just waltzed
over to England all of a sudden.
360
00:28:58,754 --> 00:29:00,055
No, it wasn't like that at all.
361
00:29:03,058 --> 00:29:05,394
We had to start
from the very bottom,
362
00:29:05,861 --> 00:29:08,897
all over again, 'cause nobody
knew who the freak we were.
363
00:29:10,032 --> 00:29:11,800
One of the top bands in Ireland.
364
00:29:12,201 --> 00:29:14,002
Now we'll go
and conquer England.
365
00:29:15,070 --> 00:29:16,305
I don't think so.
366
00:29:16,638 --> 00:29:17,506
Thin who?
367
00:29:20,876 --> 00:29:23,278
When we got to London,
there were signs saying:
368
00:29:23,412 --> 00:29:26,115
"No Irish, no Blacks, no dogs".
369
00:29:27,749 --> 00:29:30,652
There was no way that he would think
because he was Black or Irish,
370
00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:33,188
he was lesser than
anybody else on the planet.
371
00:29:34,323 --> 00:29:36,158
But he needed to prove it
to himself.
372
00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:40,429
It was very, very difficult.
373
00:29:41,096 --> 00:29:44,233
Philip had one room in London which
he shared with his girlfriend.
374
00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:46,435
I lived in this horrible attic.
375
00:29:46,902 --> 00:29:48,871
And Brian Downey had no windows.
376
00:29:49,071 --> 00:29:51,974
And a guy that made
porn movies next door to him.
377
00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,812
Meanwhile, back in Ireland, everybody
thought we were like fucking royalty.
378
00:30:54,636 --> 00:30:57,506
I didn't know
anything about them until I was
379
00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:59,541
booked as the opening act
380
00:31:00,442 --> 00:31:02,578
on Slade's first ever
nationwide tour.
381
00:31:03,545 --> 00:31:05,480
That was the first time
I met Phil.
382
00:31:06,014 --> 00:31:09,384
He was not in your face
like he was later, not at all.
383
00:31:09,585 --> 00:31:11,987
In fact, they worked very much
as a three-piece.
384
00:31:12,721 --> 00:31:15,824
At this point in time,
Philip's pretty shy on stage.
385
00:31:16,225 --> 00:31:17,960
I was more out front than him.
386
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:21,263
Maybe he was finding
his feet. I know I was.
387
00:31:22,898 --> 00:31:26,301
On that tour, Thin Lizzy
had a bit of hostility.
388
00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:28,237
And I remember Noddy
mentioning it a few times.
389
00:31:28,437 --> 00:31:30,172
"Don't worry,
doesn't mean anything.
390
00:31:30,372 --> 00:31:32,374
They're just our crazy fans
and they wanna see us
391
00:31:32,541 --> 00:31:33,942
and nobody else,"
and blah blah.
392
00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:35,711
But that must've been
hard for them.
393
00:31:36,178 --> 00:31:38,814
Phil, God love him,
went up to the mic, he says,
394
00:31:39,381 --> 00:31:41,583
"For fuck's sake,
give us a chance, will you?"
395
00:31:42,417 --> 00:31:44,620
And they just started:
"We want Slade!
396
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,755
We want Slade!
397
00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:48,924
We want Slade!"
398
00:31:49,858 --> 00:31:52,294
And we walked into
our changing room defeated.
399
00:31:53,095 --> 00:31:55,364
And, next minute,
the door bangs open
400
00:31:55,564 --> 00:31:58,600
and Chas Chandler walks in,
who is Slade's manager.
401
00:31:58,734 --> 00:32:01,870
But he also managed Hendrix,
one of Phil's idols.
402
00:32:03,672 --> 00:32:04,973
"What was all that about?
403
00:32:05,741 --> 00:32:08,644
Listen, I'll tell you what,
if yous don't get it together,
404
00:32:08,777 --> 00:32:11,513
you're off the fucking tour,"
and he slammed the door.
405
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,216
And Philip was like white.
406
00:32:15,517 --> 00:32:18,720
That takes a pivotal moment
to push you in that spotlight.
407
00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:21,823
Maybe that toughened him up
to be who he was, too.
408
00:32:22,591 --> 00:32:24,860
He had to morph into
something that would make it.
409
00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:28,664
You have to find a way to get to
each person in the audience.
410
00:32:30,432 --> 00:32:32,501
He was blown away by Slade.
411
00:32:33,101 --> 00:32:35,671
Every night, Philip would be
standing in the wings
412
00:32:35,837 --> 00:32:38,507
watching Noddy Holder,
taking it all in.
413
00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:40,575
He was learning all the time.
414
00:32:40,742 --> 00:32:43,078
That's the way he was,
picking up ideas
415
00:32:43,278 --> 00:32:44,379
all over the place.
416
00:32:44,946 --> 00:32:47,783
Noddy Holder's hat had
all the little mirrors on it.
417
00:32:48,884 --> 00:32:50,452
He thought that was
a great idea.
418
00:32:51,787 --> 00:32:54,389
Philip came in and he said,
419
00:32:54,556 --> 00:32:55,924
"Hey, Harry, look at this."
420
00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:58,827
A mirror that you got
for a budgie's cage.
421
00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:04,333
And he says, "I'm gonna shine
this in all the chicks' eyes."
422
00:33:14,776 --> 00:33:18,113
He put a mirror
right on his guitar,
423
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,349
which caught the spotlight,
424
00:33:20,982 --> 00:33:22,984
and he'd shine it around
at the audience.
425
00:33:23,385 --> 00:33:26,555
And eye up the girls,
find the really attractive ones
426
00:33:26,722 --> 00:33:28,523
in the audience
and light them up.
427
00:33:28,757 --> 00:33:31,660
He'd go, "I hear
some of you girls out there
428
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,662
got a little Irish in ya."
429
00:33:34,062 --> 00:33:35,364
And they'd go, "Yeah!"
430
00:33:35,497 --> 00:33:37,466
He'd go, "Would you like
a little more?"
431
00:33:41,903 --> 00:33:44,072
The change was totally dramatic.
432
00:33:44,673 --> 00:33:47,175
All the poses, the trousers,
the mirrors.
433
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:50,112
He could hold the audience
in the palm of his hand.
434
00:33:52,881 --> 00:33:54,916
He was born to be on stage.
435
00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:56,752
He was a showman.
436
00:34:43,932 --> 00:34:46,902
You see the writing turn
and the sound of the band change
437
00:34:47,068 --> 00:34:50,105
and it becomes a lot more
affected by '70s glam
438
00:34:50,472 --> 00:34:53,041
and I guess that's where Philip
came into his own,
439
00:34:53,175 --> 00:34:55,644
both as a songwriter
and visually.
440
00:34:56,511 --> 00:34:57,879
"I am your main man.
441
00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,882
If you're looking for trouble, you
don't have to go anywhere else."
442
00:35:02,584 --> 00:35:05,554
That's a great statement
of bravado
443
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,924
and you have to protect
that position as a man,
444
00:35:09,057 --> 00:35:10,659
if you stand up and say that.
445
00:35:10,992 --> 00:35:12,494
But it takes some balls.
446
00:35:15,497 --> 00:35:19,000
You didn't often get
real introspection
447
00:35:19,401 --> 00:35:21,002
in Philip Lynott songs.
448
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:23,638
We tended to be describing
a world outside.
449
00:35:23,772 --> 00:35:25,440
He'd tend to be
creating characters
450
00:35:25,574 --> 00:35:28,043
who were up to various
adventures and misadventures.
451
00:35:29,110 --> 00:35:33,281
I think every writer does that,
especially in the music world.
452
00:35:33,782 --> 00:35:36,351
That tenderness, that honesty,
that vulnerability
453
00:35:36,518 --> 00:35:40,155
is always hidden
by a big noisy band.
454
00:35:41,423 --> 00:35:45,160
And when we stand up there
as big bold rock stars,
455
00:35:45,627 --> 00:35:48,063
we need some armour
against the world.
456
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,332
And it's quite hard
to stand up there
457
00:35:51,633 --> 00:35:53,435
and fully reveal yourself.
458
00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:55,737
I think it may have
started out as a game,
459
00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:57,639
but he actually probably
did become it
460
00:35:57,772 --> 00:36:00,709
because he had to have
a stage persona.
461
00:36:00,876 --> 00:36:03,144
And I think that almost became
bigger than he was.
462
00:36:04,346 --> 00:36:06,348
I think the onstage
Philip was the Philip
463
00:36:06,515 --> 00:36:08,083
that Philip had in his mind.
464
00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:13,154
There was this constant pulling,
this to-ing and fro-ing
465
00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:15,657
between the sensitive poet
466
00:36:16,892 --> 00:36:18,693
and the rock star.
467
00:36:19,394 --> 00:36:22,397
It's just tempting to let
the grr take over.
468
00:36:23,064 --> 00:36:24,099
It just is.
469
00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:37,178
Nobody knows what goes on
470
00:36:37,379 --> 00:36:38,980
when you have
an ethnic difference
471
00:36:40,081 --> 00:36:42,017
because you're taking blows
all the time,
472
00:36:42,183 --> 00:36:43,718
you just let 'em wash off.
473
00:36:44,452 --> 00:36:46,855
Trust me, there were people
saying stuff to this guy
474
00:36:47,022 --> 00:36:48,423
that was hurting him
to his core.
475
00:37:10,011 --> 00:37:12,514
In the early days,
with Philip in Ireland,
476
00:37:12,914 --> 00:37:14,583
if you went into
an ordinary shop,
477
00:37:15,183 --> 00:37:18,186
it was a bit like a cowboy movie
when the piano player'd stop.
478
00:37:19,621 --> 00:37:20,822
And everybody'd go...
479
00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:24,492
Because they'd never really seen
a Black person before.
480
00:37:35,704 --> 00:37:39,107
I think being Black
fuelled his ambition.
481
00:37:39,874 --> 00:37:41,176
It sort of gave him an edge.
482
00:37:42,043 --> 00:37:43,478
Boy, did it give him an edge.
483
00:37:53,421 --> 00:37:56,758
There was a very big
moment when the decision was,
484
00:37:56,891 --> 00:37:58,593
if you like, forced on the band,
485
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,963
that "Whiskey in the Jar"
should be the single.
486
00:38:10,972 --> 00:38:12,073
It was a folk song.
487
00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:17,312
Our manager said,
"What was that you were playing
488
00:38:17,479 --> 00:38:18,813
just before I came in?"
489
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,815
And we're looking at him
like, "What?
490
00:38:21,383 --> 00:38:23,818
Only messing about
with "Whiskey in the Jar'."
491
00:38:24,753 --> 00:38:27,188
And he says, "I think
you have a hit there."
492
00:38:27,956 --> 00:38:29,724
We were gonna throw him
out the window.
493
00:38:29,858 --> 00:38:33,061
"You want us to record
an Irish folk song
494
00:38:33,495 --> 00:38:36,197
and we left Ireland
to get away from this music."
495
00:38:37,265 --> 00:38:39,501
In those sort of magic moments
496
00:38:39,668 --> 00:38:41,870
where someone makes
the right decision,
497
00:38:42,037 --> 00:38:43,672
people's lives are transformed.
498
00:38:44,139 --> 00:38:47,642
We thought, as a laugh, for
all our supporters back in Ireland,
499
00:38:47,842 --> 00:38:49,778
we'd send up
the whole singles thing
500
00:38:49,944 --> 00:38:51,479
by doing a rocked-up version.
501
00:38:51,613 --> 00:38:53,014
So, it was a bit of a joke.
502
00:38:57,018 --> 00:38:58,820
And to get us
on the way, we've got a band.
503
00:38:58,987 --> 00:39:00,522
They're by the name
of Thin Lizzy.
504
00:39:00,655 --> 00:39:03,958
They don't drink whiskey by
the glass, they drink it by the jar.
505
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:16,304
And all of a sudden,
506
00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:18,840
we're on Top of the Pops.
507
00:39:21,342 --> 00:39:22,744
I was like, "Huh?"
508
00:39:31,352 --> 00:39:34,189
In those days, if you were
on Top of the Pops, man,
509
00:39:34,456 --> 00:39:35,590
you had it made.
510
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,662
Fu... My heart was... sorry.
511
00:40:14,896 --> 00:40:17,398
My heart was thumping out
with excitement
512
00:40:17,532 --> 00:40:19,934
and, you know,
I'm looking around.
513
00:40:30,779 --> 00:40:33,915
It is one of those songs that,
even if you don't know it,
514
00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:37,018
it makes you happy, it makes
you bounce, just gets you going.
515
00:40:40,188 --> 00:40:42,023
We thought "Whiskey in the Jar"
was terrible.
516
00:40:43,391 --> 00:40:45,693
And so did everybody, really.
517
00:40:47,762 --> 00:40:51,266
It was so un-them
when they had original music.
518
00:40:51,466 --> 00:40:53,067
But it was a breakthrough,
So, hey.
519
00:40:53,601 --> 00:40:54,702
You can't knock it.
520
00:40:55,436 --> 00:40:56,671
But anyway, that took off.
521
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:02,110
And, you know, he probably spent
the rest of his life
522
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:03,878
trying not to play it.
523
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:06,614
It was opening doors
524
00:41:06,781 --> 00:41:10,552
that had been firmly bolted
and padlocked before that.
525
00:41:10,752 --> 00:41:12,520
"Whiskey in the Jar?
526
00:41:12,654 --> 00:41:13,721
"Whiskey in the Jar?
527
00:41:13,855 --> 00:41:15,323
"Whiskey in the Jar?
528
00:41:15,456 --> 00:41:18,159
Denmark, Sweden,
Holland, Germany,
529
00:41:18,359 --> 00:41:19,694
a little bit in France,
530
00:41:19,861 --> 00:41:22,230
we just played ceaselessly,
531
00:41:22,597 --> 00:41:25,667
week after week after week
after week after week.
532
00:41:31,439 --> 00:41:33,174
I was slowly cracking up.
533
00:41:34,509 --> 00:41:37,345
Here I am, in a band
that I was so proud of.
534
00:41:37,912 --> 00:41:40,515
And we had to mime
on all these TV shows.
535
00:41:40,882 --> 00:41:43,518
So, you start wondering
why you're doing it.
536
00:41:44,919 --> 00:41:48,156
I started getting very drunk
because all I'm doing is miming.
537
00:41:50,825 --> 00:41:53,995
Apart from all this, my personal
life was going to shit.
538
00:41:56,798 --> 00:41:59,300
The whole thing started
slowly crumbling to a halt.
539
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:15,016
Out on stage that night
I was, like...
540
00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:17,752
I shouldn't have been on stage.
541
00:42:18,553 --> 00:42:19,921
I looked out in the audience
542
00:42:20,054 --> 00:42:22,357
and people looking at me
trying to play the guitar
543
00:42:22,523 --> 00:42:24,759
which was impossible
at that point in time.
544
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,962
And this voice just said,
"You've gotta get out."
545
00:42:29,397 --> 00:42:30,598
And before I knew it,
546
00:42:32,133 --> 00:42:34,502
I got my guitar
and I threw it up in the air
547
00:42:36,704 --> 00:42:40,475
and it's weird 'cause
you remember that moment.
548
00:42:42,944 --> 00:42:44,312
Here it comes.
549
00:42:46,147 --> 00:42:48,116
Smack into the stage.
550
00:42:51,452 --> 00:42:52,553
That was it.
551
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,122
The end of me and Lizzy.
552
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:55,623
It was over.
553
00:43:08,603 --> 00:43:11,773
You have a reset
in the spring of 1974.
554
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,441
And it starts all over again.
555
00:43:20,748 --> 00:43:22,583
Being in a band
is just like being in life.
556
00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:25,186
Things don't look like you're
ever gonna be able to get out
557
00:43:25,386 --> 00:43:27,121
of that black hole
and all of a sudden
558
00:43:27,322 --> 00:43:28,523
bang, you're out of
the black hole
559
00:43:28,656 --> 00:43:31,059
and you're off on
a new golden run, if you will.
560
00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:34,062
The management said
it would be worth our while
561
00:43:34,228 --> 00:43:37,398
fo keep the name and
to try and find replacements.
562
00:43:37,732 --> 00:43:39,467
We started from scratch,
563
00:43:39,634 --> 00:43:42,537
we started playing all the small
venues and building it up.
564
00:43:44,939 --> 00:43:47,909
We get to this first
show and there was literally
565
00:43:48,443 --> 00:43:51,079
more bouncers than
there were paying customers.
566
00:43:52,113 --> 00:43:54,415
"One, two, three, four,
vaaanngg," the kids say,
567
00:43:54,582 --> 00:43:56,851
and Phil starts jumping
all over the place.
568
00:43:57,318 --> 00:43:59,354
Brian Robertson's going crazy
on my right
569
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,789
and Downey's getting
a lot more animated,
570
00:44:01,956 --> 00:44:03,391
I'm going, "What the fuck, man?"
571
00:44:04,959 --> 00:44:07,028
Phil kept looking over his
shoulder at me.
572
00:44:07,295 --> 00:44:09,864
"Get... Come on!" I'm going...
573
00:44:10,331 --> 00:44:11,632
"Get... Get..."
574
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,035
He stopped playing the bass,
walked over,
575
00:44:14,202 --> 00:44:16,571
grabbed me by the collar,
dragged me over the front
576
00:44:16,738 --> 00:44:19,440
and goes, "Bang. Don't fuckin'
move from there."
577
00:44:20,742 --> 00:44:21,576
"OK."
578
00:44:22,443 --> 00:44:24,412
Going from
a three-piece to a four-piece,
579
00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:26,881
things did change
because they naturally do.
580
00:44:27,148 --> 00:44:29,751
But it wasn't a change for
the worse, it was just a change.
581
00:44:30,318 --> 00:44:32,587
This is it.
Year zero begins now.
582
00:44:33,021 --> 00:44:35,423
Let's sweep away the old
and let's see what we can do.
583
00:44:40,828 --> 00:44:43,898
When we get into the studio,
the producer kept going,
584
00:44:44,065 --> 00:44:47,335
"Yeah, can you just turn that down
a little bit? Yeah."
585
00:44:47,502 --> 00:44:49,971
"Yeah, just turn it down
a little more."
586
00:44:50,304 --> 00:44:51,439
"Uh, OK."
587
00:44:52,507 --> 00:44:54,509
You know,
I call it our cocktail album.
588
00:44:55,343 --> 00:44:57,378
"I say,
would you like a highball?
589
00:44:57,945 --> 00:44:59,680
Put on that Thin Lizzy album."
590
00:45:35,183 --> 00:45:37,151
Anyway, we digress.
591
00:45:46,661 --> 00:45:48,062
Thin Lizzy never had
592
00:45:48,229 --> 00:45:51,999
a completely consistent
recording sound.
593
00:45:53,935 --> 00:45:55,503
It started with that first album
594
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:58,439
and it was the same attitude
to the last album.
595
00:45:58,573 --> 00:46:00,074
We wrote what we wrote
596
00:46:00,241 --> 00:46:02,477
and it's gonna come out
as it's gonna come out.
597
00:46:07,081 --> 00:46:08,583
There was the possibility here
598
00:46:08,749 --> 00:46:10,418
of doing something unique
599
00:46:10,585 --> 00:46:13,554
by combining the talents
of two complementary
600
00:46:13,721 --> 00:46:15,723
but distinctive guitar players.
601
00:46:20,194 --> 00:46:21,896
The harmony guitar thing.
602
00:46:23,998 --> 00:46:26,601
It was like a mistake
that happened in the studio.
603
00:46:27,435 --> 00:46:30,905
Brian had gone out
just to record a single line.
604
00:46:31,572 --> 00:46:35,276
And the engineer
had left this echo on.
605
00:46:35,977 --> 00:46:37,879
So, when it fed back on itself,
606
00:46:38,146 --> 00:46:39,714
it fed back in harmony.
607
00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:42,383
And, we came back
into the studio,
608
00:46:42,617 --> 00:46:43,985
"Yeah, it sounds pretty cool."
609
00:46:44,318 --> 00:46:47,021
After a while, it just became
this natural thing.
610
00:46:47,421 --> 00:46:49,724
Twin harmony Thin Lizzy sound.
611
00:46:51,792 --> 00:46:54,061
So, for the first number,
612
00:46:54,295 --> 00:46:56,797
can the people in the front row
stay a bit back?
613
00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:59,700
And we'll let the show commence.
Here we go.
614
00:47:00,301 --> 00:47:01,836
Two, three, four!
615
00:47:03,171 --> 00:47:04,572
By that stage,
616
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:09,110
Philip had developed
the confidence as a frontman
617
00:47:09,744 --> 00:47:13,114
to step out
and establish himself
618
00:47:13,347 --> 00:47:16,317
as the focal point
while also being part of
619
00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:18,352
that rock and roll gang.
620
00:47:19,854 --> 00:47:21,856
His image was everything
at that point.
621
00:47:22,156 --> 00:47:23,191
Everything.
622
00:47:23,391 --> 00:47:24,659
I could be in and out of the bathroom
623
00:47:24,825 --> 00:47:26,427
and all the rest of it
in record time,
624
00:47:26,594 --> 00:47:29,664
and he'd still be deciding
what scarf went with the ouffit.
625
00:47:29,864 --> 00:47:33,034
You'll never see a bad photo
of Phil Lynott. Damn!
626
00:47:33,601 --> 00:47:36,003
That guy could put on anything
and look great,
627
00:47:36,137 --> 00:47:37,772
then he'd go,
"Here, you try it on."
628
00:47:37,939 --> 00:47:40,341
You try it on, look in the
mirror, and you look like a clown.
629
00:47:40,875 --> 00:47:42,543
Over the years,
Lizzy did daft things
630
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:44,512
like the cover
of the "Fighting" album.
631
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,715
And there was all sorts of
cartoon posing.
632
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:52,220
We are anything but hard-looking men
in this photograph.
633
00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:53,454
Come on!
634
00:47:55,389 --> 00:47:57,658
We brought in a make-up artist
to make it look like
635
00:47:57,825 --> 00:48:00,394
we'd just been in
a really ass-kicking gang war.
636
00:48:00,761 --> 00:48:03,831
And Phil got a little bit of
blood down here.
637
00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:07,101
Robertson was, like,
bit of a shiner there.
638
00:48:07,301 --> 00:48:09,003
I said, "Oh, man, I want...
639
00:48:09,403 --> 00:48:11,706
Make it look like my nose
has just been ripped off
640
00:48:11,872 --> 00:48:13,140
and a huge hunk of flesh here
641
00:48:13,341 --> 00:48:16,177
and I want blood everywhere
coming down."
642
00:48:16,377 --> 00:48:17,778
Phil's going, "No, no, no."
643
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:20,514
This has gotta be cool.
644
00:48:20,681 --> 00:48:22,917
We don't wanna look like
we got our arses kicked.
645
00:48:24,385 --> 00:48:26,754
We've gotta make sure
it looks like we won the fight.
646
00:48:27,755 --> 00:48:31,058
We win! We're the winners, man.
We kicked their arse.
647
00:49:18,906 --> 00:49:20,641
The problem about
going on about Philo
648
00:49:20,775 --> 00:49:23,144
is that sometimes you miss
just how good he was.
649
00:49:23,744 --> 00:49:25,179
How good a bass player he was.
650
00:49:25,479 --> 00:49:26,814
How good with words he was.
651
00:49:27,748 --> 00:49:30,117
And how good a singer he was,
you know.
652
00:49:30,584 --> 00:49:33,821
I mean,
he delivered those songs with...
653
00:49:37,058 --> 00:49:38,559
in a way that you believed him.
654
00:49:42,697 --> 00:49:45,066
Two, three, four!
655
00:50:00,815 --> 00:50:03,651
At this point, we had our own little
flat and it was lovely.
656
00:50:04,051 --> 00:50:06,320
That was probably
the happiest time.
657
00:50:06,454 --> 00:50:08,456
The honeymoon love story bit,
you know.
658
00:50:08,622 --> 00:50:12,460
And then from there, it was probably
a car crash waiting to happen.
659
00:51:07,014 --> 00:51:08,582
Towards the end, I realised
660
00:51:08,749 --> 00:51:10,918
that this is just
the most ludicrous situation.
661
00:51:13,254 --> 00:51:14,388
I was very naive.
662
00:51:15,055 --> 00:51:18,492
But I had this notion that all he
needed was somebody to be true.
663
00:51:19,393 --> 00:51:21,395
To prove that
you could trust people.
664
00:51:22,663 --> 00:51:24,231
Take me out and shoot me,
honestly.
665
00:51:28,602 --> 00:51:30,738
The periods of being away
got longer and longer
666
00:51:31,071 --> 00:51:33,140
and then I get the phone calls.
667
00:51:34,108 --> 00:51:35,743
And his jealousy started.
668
00:51:37,311 --> 00:51:39,580
He was feeling bad
about his behaviour
669
00:51:39,814 --> 00:51:42,216
and he had to dump it
on somebody else.
670
00:51:46,554 --> 00:51:48,122
It was attack
as a form of defence.
671
00:51:54,361 --> 00:51:55,296
Brian.
672
00:51:58,065 --> 00:52:01,469
I had never once betrayed
him in any shape or fashion
673
00:52:01,669 --> 00:52:02,903
in six years.
674
00:52:05,272 --> 00:52:07,775
I did love him and I believe
he did love me.
675
00:52:09,076 --> 00:52:11,345
I always believe that
it was his insecurities.
676
00:52:11,612 --> 00:52:14,982
He was continually waiting for
life to be torn apart
677
00:52:15,149 --> 00:52:16,750
or to be betrayed.
678
00:53:17,077 --> 00:53:19,713
It is the
ultimate form of connection.
679
00:53:21,148 --> 00:53:24,184
He's speaking like he knows this,
this isn't just a story.
680
00:53:25,986 --> 00:53:29,523
He'd bring you to a place and you
would stop judgement right then.
681
00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:36,297
The part that I identified
with Phil was his darkness.
682
00:53:38,933 --> 00:53:41,635
You find a place
to get what you need out.
683
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:46,840
I always like the anti-hero, I always
thought that was very important.
684
00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:49,543
The clean-cut
always gave me a chill.
685
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:52,980
I much prefer my heroes
fo be a little human.
686
00:53:58,218 --> 00:54:01,922
Jailbreak! Jailbreak! Jailbreak!
687
00:54:02,823 --> 00:54:05,459
The "Nightlife" album
didn't sell anything!
688
00:54:05,893 --> 00:54:07,995
The "Fighting" album
didn't sell anything!
689
00:54:09,496 --> 00:54:11,699
It has to hit on the third album
690
00:54:11,865 --> 00:54:14,668
or you're warming up the car
and you're leaving the building.
691
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:17,071
"What?"
692
00:54:17,571 --> 00:54:18,672
So, the pressure's on.
693
00:54:19,573 --> 00:54:21,675
And we gave it
one hell of a shot
694
00:54:21,842 --> 00:54:23,277
on the writing side of it.
695
00:54:25,546 --> 00:54:27,915
Backstage, Louisville, Kentucky.
696
00:54:28,415 --> 00:54:30,951
Chris O'Donnell, our manager,
walks in and says, "Well, boys,
697
00:54:31,785 --> 00:54:33,921
looks like we got a hit record
on our hands."
698
00:54:34,054 --> 00:54:35,756
We all went, "What song?"
699
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:37,758
He goes, "It's "The Boys
are Back in Town'."
700
00:54:37,891 --> 00:54:39,259
We're like, "Really?"
701
00:54:42,096 --> 00:54:43,931
Even after we finished the song,
702
00:54:44,098 --> 00:54:47,134
we still didn't think of this
as single material.
703
00:54:47,735 --> 00:54:48,836
Of course, I do now.
704
00:54:49,136 --> 00:54:50,838
It's the most
fabulous song ever.
705
00:55:24,738 --> 00:55:26,540
That was like
a bolt of lightning.
706
00:55:26,774 --> 00:55:27,875
What is that?
707
00:55:28,842 --> 00:55:31,111
It's like the ultimate
lads anthem.
708
00:55:32,379 --> 00:55:33,547
It is timeless.
709
00:55:33,781 --> 00:55:36,517
Every generation
relates to that song.
710
00:55:37,117 --> 00:55:39,119
One of the great
rock songs of all time.
711
00:56:04,111 --> 00:56:05,112
It was cinematic.
712
00:56:05,512 --> 00:56:06,547
And that was Philip.
713
00:56:06,714 --> 00:56:07,981
He saw things as a movie,
714
00:56:08,148 --> 00:56:11,819
complete with settings and
lights, wardrobe and everything.
715
00:56:12,619 --> 00:56:13,987
He could paint that picture.
716
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:23,497
And finally, we had a
bona fide hit record in America,
717
00:56:23,731 --> 00:56:26,066
which made life so much easier.
718
00:56:30,971 --> 00:56:33,173
I really doubt
if Phil just went...
719
00:56:33,874 --> 00:56:35,909
"I'm gonna write "The Boys are
Back in Town' today.
720
00:56:36,076 --> 00:56:38,078
It's gonna be a belter,
it's gonna make us massive."
721
00:56:38,212 --> 00:56:39,346
He didn't do that.
722
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:41,582
I wrote by hook or by crook,
723
00:56:41,749 --> 00:56:43,851
like, there can come
many a good song
724
00:56:44,017 --> 00:56:47,354
in the toilet in the bath,
or, you know.
725
00:56:47,588 --> 00:56:50,023
At one stage, it was called
"GI Joe is Back?
726
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:52,960
[t took me ages just to think of
the boys' though.
727
00:56:53,093 --> 00:56:54,895
I was thinking the kids
the lads'
728
00:56:55,162 --> 00:56:58,532
Somebody said �the boys' and I went,
"That's it, 'The boys are back"."
729
00:56:58,699 --> 00:57:00,868
You just change a word.
It made the song.
730
00:57:07,641 --> 00:57:09,810
All these other bands,
you know, big bands,
731
00:57:09,977 --> 00:57:13,313
they wanted us on their tour
'cause now we could sell tickets.
732
00:57:13,881 --> 00:57:16,216
That's what a big hit record
will do for you.
733
00:57:16,617 --> 00:57:18,919
You can actually feel
and see the climb.
734
00:57:19,653 --> 00:57:21,922
It just takes one,
and you're off and running.
735
00:57:22,055 --> 00:57:23,190
You're out of the blocks.
736
00:57:24,591 --> 00:57:28,462
Philip was definitely tailoring the
band towards an American audience.
737
00:57:29,062 --> 00:57:31,465
It's all Americanisms
in the songs.
738
00:57:32,633 --> 00:57:35,435
Phil grew up
on American television.
739
00:57:35,803 --> 00:57:37,638
It always looked really sunny
all the time
740
00:57:37,771 --> 00:57:40,707
and palm trees and girls
walking around in bikinis
741
00:57:40,874 --> 00:57:42,543
and all the flash cars.
742
00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:44,378
It looks like paradise.
743
00:57:44,945 --> 00:57:46,947
And Phil was a romantic anyway.
744
00:58:09,336 --> 00:58:10,938
I think America was everything
745
00:58:11,104 --> 00:58:12,639
he was expecting it to be.
746
00:58:12,773 --> 00:58:15,943
He fell in love with
the whole idea of America.
747
00:58:16,476 --> 00:58:18,912
He could not get enough
of touring in America.
748
00:58:19,179 --> 00:58:22,549
"I want to experience this, I want
to taste it, I want to feel it."
749
00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:23,951
And, boy, did he!
750
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:12,666
This was our time
to break America.
751
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,068
What could go wrong, right?
752
00:59:16,904 --> 00:59:19,973
He had real bad luck here in America
�cause he got hepatitis.
753
00:59:20,307 --> 00:59:23,710
And they had to cancel that first
tour, The Boys are Back in Town Tour.
754
00:59:27,414 --> 00:59:31,251
That was it, the tour was over with.
Just in a blink of an eye.
755
00:59:39,192 --> 00:59:41,895
In August, he was in the studio
recording a new album.
756
00:59:42,229 --> 00:59:44,231
And, if you take into account
"Jailbreak",
757
00:59:44,431 --> 00:59:46,733
then "Johnny the Fox"
and "Bad Reputation?,
758
00:59:47,301 --> 00:59:48,702
you've three albums out
759
00:59:48,902 --> 00:59:51,471
within a period, roughly,
of fourteen months.
760
00:59:58,078 --> 01:00:01,381
The confidence that would've given
Phil would've been immense.
761
01:00:27,507 --> 01:00:31,611
They now knew
they were really good.
762
01:00:32,346 --> 01:00:34,748
And every time
they stepped up on stage,
763
01:00:34,915 --> 01:00:38,418
they were confident that the audience
was theirs for the taking.
764
01:00:40,387 --> 01:00:42,122
I could see these flashy lights.
765
01:00:42,456 --> 01:00:45,025
And a big orange light going...
766
01:00:45,192 --> 01:00:46,226
And then there was...
767
01:00:49,096 --> 01:00:52,199
And then the big spotlight,
and he came out,
768
01:00:52,466 --> 01:00:55,268
"Tonight there's going
to be a jailbreak".
769
01:00:55,435 --> 01:00:59,106
And, oh, Jesus, the hair
on my neck stood up!
770
01:00:59,473 --> 01:01:00,307
Gol
771
01:01:03,076 --> 01:01:04,378
Are you out there?
772
01:01:07,314 --> 01:01:09,549
What always struck me
about "Jailbreak" was,
773
01:01:09,916 --> 01:01:13,120
"Tonight there's gonna be
a jailbreak somewhere in the town".
774
01:01:14,121 --> 01:01:15,722
Like the jail, perhaps?
775
01:01:16,857 --> 01:01:17,891
I mean, that's...
776
01:01:19,026 --> 01:01:20,961
And, for years,
I never noticed that.
777
01:01:21,795 --> 01:01:22,896
It didn't matter.
778
01:01:23,497 --> 01:01:26,299
That's a high energy song just for
a certain point in the gig.
779
01:01:26,466 --> 01:01:27,834
It's gonna lift everything up.
780
01:01:44,551 --> 01:01:45,919
I gotta tell you one story:
781
01:01:46,053 --> 01:01:48,555
we were playing the Santa Monica
Civic in Los Angeles
782
01:01:48,722 --> 01:01:50,791
and walked out,
hit the first chord.
783
01:01:51,992 --> 01:01:55,062
The audience up and
there's like a sea of hands
784
01:01:55,295 --> 01:01:57,664
and I'm shaking a few hands
and I look down.
785
01:01:57,831 --> 01:01:59,666
And who do I see? My mum.
786
01:02:01,101 --> 01:02:02,903
I'm going, "Mum,
what are you doing?"
787
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:46,146
Philip was always
the consummate performer.
788
01:02:46,346 --> 01:02:48,181
He was brilliant to watch.
789
01:02:48,882 --> 01:02:51,651
Scott and Brian could've been
running up and down the stage,
790
01:02:51,818 --> 01:02:54,654
jumping on monitors
and doing pointing,
791
01:02:54,821 --> 01:02:56,356
doing all of this stuff,
792
01:02:57,190 --> 01:03:00,427
but Philip was the one
who grabbed your attention
793
01:03:00,660 --> 01:03:02,829
�cause he demanded
your attention.
794
01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:08,635
Everything moved on its axis a little
bit when you discovered Philip.
795
01:03:09,202 --> 01:03:10,770
It was life-changing
in a good way.
796
01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:16,576
I'd gone in there in a brown cardigan
and I'd come out in a leather jacket.
797
01:03:18,078 --> 01:03:20,747
How could this guy be Irish?
How could he be from Crumlin?
798
01:03:21,348 --> 01:03:23,083
There are new possibilities
here now.
799
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,318
Things aren't as dull
as they seem.
800
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:32,292
That was their prime,
they rocked so hard.
801
01:03:32,792 --> 01:03:35,262
Thin Lizzy in their prime were
probably the best hard rock band
802
01:03:35,428 --> 01:03:37,197
I've ever seen in my life,
bar none.
803
01:03:48,508 --> 01:03:49,342
Thank you!
804
01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:53,413
It seemed that
everything we put out was a hit.
805
01:03:56,650 --> 01:03:58,785
Phil just could...
There's another hit.
806
01:03:58,952 --> 01:04:00,520
There's another hit. Bastard.
807
01:04:04,291 --> 01:04:05,292
Sorry.
808
01:04:51,871 --> 01:04:53,773
I got a phone call from Philip.
809
01:04:53,974 --> 01:04:56,543
He goes, "I'm in a recording
studio in London.
810
01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:57,944
I'm really busy.
811
01:04:58,144 --> 01:05:00,747
If ever I needed your help,
I need it now."
812
01:05:01,414 --> 01:05:04,351
And I said, "Well, fine, yeah,
what's up?"
813
01:05:04,818 --> 01:05:07,954
And he said, "l have a new
girlfriend called Caroline.
814
01:05:08,121 --> 01:05:11,024
And things are really
taking off over here.
815
01:05:11,291 --> 01:05:13,560
I can't think of anyone else
who I'd ask, only you."
816
01:05:15,662 --> 01:05:18,898
So, I was more or less
on the next plane, as they say.
817
01:05:30,810 --> 01:05:31,978
I was eighteen.
818
01:05:34,014 --> 01:05:37,817
I met Philip because I was
working for Tony Brainsby PR
819
01:05:38,051 --> 01:05:40,620
and Thin Lizzy were a part
of the roster of clients.
820
01:05:42,722 --> 01:05:46,159
The first encounter I had
with him was over the phone.
821
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:49,996
And he had
an absolutely beautiful,
822
01:05:50,130 --> 01:05:51,931
deep, soft-spoken voice.
823
01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:56,569
He always sounded like he was in
bed when he was talking to you,
824
01:05:56,736 --> 01:05:58,905
which I later discovered
he generally was.
825
01:06:00,774 --> 01:06:02,442
He had a great sense of humour.
826
01:06:02,942 --> 01:06:06,613
He liked to tease you
with a mixture of innuendo
827
01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:08,214
and misunderstanding.
828
01:06:08,481 --> 01:06:12,419
And then,
when you were all confused,
829
01:06:12,585 --> 01:06:14,587
he would laugh,
830
01:06:14,754 --> 01:06:18,191
and it was just delightful.
831
01:06:19,759 --> 01:06:21,895
So, I was already
partly in love with him
832
01:06:22,062 --> 01:06:23,396
before I even met him.
833
01:06:27,434 --> 01:06:30,136
I went to see them perform
at Hammersmith Odeon
834
01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:36,676
and, wow, oh my God,
he was just mind-blowing.
835
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:38,511
I was just... Yeah.
836
01:06:39,379 --> 01:06:40,480
Hooked.
837
01:06:42,482 --> 01:06:46,353
I was quite wild
and we just became a pair.
838
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:48,355
There were no conversations
about it,
839
01:06:48,521 --> 01:06:51,191
I just kind of
got absorbed into his life.
840
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,427
The life of a working musician.
841
01:07:03,636 --> 01:07:05,939
Once you plug into an amplifier,
842
01:07:06,306 --> 01:07:08,241
it definitely gives you power.
843
01:07:08,541 --> 01:07:11,778
There's no point in having a fast car
and not driving it fast,
844
01:07:11,945 --> 01:07:15,582
and there's no point in having a loud
amplifier and not turning it up.
845
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,755
All of a sudden,
"Live and Dangerous",
846
01:07:55,922 --> 01:07:58,091
one of the great live albums
of all time,
847
01:07:58,625 --> 01:08:00,160
they were on fire.
848
01:08:05,398 --> 01:08:08,134
The world-renowned
Tony Visconti, record producer,
849
01:08:08,334 --> 01:08:10,236
made the record sound like
you were sitting
850
01:08:10,437 --> 01:08:11,905
in the best seat in the house.
851
01:08:12,071 --> 01:08:15,475
One of the things we did
was enhance the audience.
852
01:08:16,176 --> 01:08:19,412
And we'd made basically a huge
tape loop of audience.
853
01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:22,582
But it was several audiences
layered on top of each other.
854
01:08:23,950 --> 01:08:26,820
And this tape literally going
around mic stands
855
01:08:26,986 --> 01:08:28,354
right the way round the room.
856
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:32,659
We took the Lizzy audiences,
and,
857
01:08:34,227 --> 01:08:37,063
to be honest, some of David Bowie's
"Philadelphia" audience,
858
01:08:37,263 --> 01:08:40,233
and put it all together to make
the biggest audience in the world.
859
01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:42,635
And when you wanted
some audience,
860
01:08:42,802 --> 01:08:47,307
you could at any time just push these
two faders up and it's like: Whoa!
861
01:08:48,875 --> 01:08:50,543
And that sounds
like an audience.
862
01:08:56,182 --> 01:08:57,917
He was actually a shy man.
863
01:08:58,184 --> 01:09:00,153
But when he was performing,
864
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,355
all of that shyness was gone.
865
01:09:03,790 --> 01:09:06,059
He really did walk down the road
with swagger.
866
01:09:11,865 --> 01:09:15,101
A lot of my job
was getting them out of trouble
867
01:09:15,535 --> 01:09:16,936
and it was also pretty normal
868
01:09:17,103 --> 01:09:20,340
because if you worked
with rock stars in that era,
869
01:09:20,874 --> 01:09:23,309
everybody was out there
drinking, partying,
870
01:09:23,476 --> 01:09:25,678
and Thin Lizzy
had that reputation.
871
01:09:26,312 --> 01:09:28,748
Guys in a posse together,
getting up to no good,
872
01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:30,149
and celebrating it.
873
01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:32,018
And that's what
Philip and the guys,
874
01:09:32,218 --> 01:09:35,555
particularly Philip,
thought his job was.
875
01:09:38,758 --> 01:09:43,129
He was a man of many facets
and many moods.
876
01:09:44,097 --> 01:09:45,832
There was the friend,
877
01:09:46,499 --> 01:09:47,667
the businessman,
878
01:09:48,301 --> 01:09:49,502
the performer,
879
01:09:50,036 --> 01:09:54,574
that muscle was
always operating.
880
01:09:57,176 --> 01:09:59,479
He kept people on
their toes as well as himself.
881
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,582
Prolific and creative,
882
01:10:02,749 --> 01:10:05,652
and that was brilliant
when it was all working.
883
01:10:05,985 --> 01:10:07,921
Yeah, just take it
from the bridge, man.
884
01:10:08,721 --> 01:10:11,658
Everything from top
to bottom was scrutinised.
885
01:10:12,425 --> 01:10:14,994
It wasn't just Phil
the rock star, "Yeah, party!"
886
01:10:15,862 --> 01:10:17,630
People had
that impression of him.
887
01:10:18,598 --> 01:10:21,034
But no, he was
a very hard grafter.
888
01:10:26,372 --> 01:10:28,374
The most amazing thing
about Phil Lynott is
889
01:10:28,541 --> 01:10:29,809
I've never met anyone
890
01:10:30,176 --> 01:10:31,611
who could party that hard,
891
01:10:31,911 --> 01:10:34,414
and at the same time
never ever gave an inch
892
01:10:34,581 --> 01:10:35,782
as far as quality and work.
893
01:10:36,616 --> 01:10:38,785
You weren't around him
if you weren't working.
894
01:10:40,753 --> 01:10:41,921
He was very canny.
895
01:10:42,388 --> 01:10:43,856
And he had
a business head on him.
896
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:46,426
He was clever,
he could suss things out,
897
01:10:46,593 --> 01:10:49,562
he would keep quiet on stuff
but it would be read and noted.
898
01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:52,832
He knew what he wanted.
899
01:10:53,499 --> 01:10:55,702
Philip controlled
every aspect of Lizzy,
900
01:10:55,868 --> 01:10:57,704
from the music to their look,
901
01:10:57,870 --> 01:11:00,440
to the way they were perceived
as a band.
902
01:11:02,342 --> 01:11:03,610
It's a dumb phrase
903
01:11:03,776 --> 01:11:06,079
but I guess he was
the emotional cheerleader.
904
01:11:10,183 --> 01:11:12,852
And then all
the guitarist changing went on.
905
01:11:13,353 --> 01:11:15,955
It was like one big
long soap opera
906
01:11:16,322 --> 01:11:18,591
with guys falling in and out
and Gary Moore coming in
907
01:11:18,758 --> 01:11:20,193
to replace Brian Robertson.
908
01:11:20,593 --> 01:11:23,930
Gary was in, Gary was out.
Gary was in, Gary was out.
909
01:11:24,797 --> 01:11:27,600
But, for the most part,
we were living the life.
910
01:11:28,101 --> 01:11:30,570
One of the big guns,
no doubt about that.
911
01:11:32,372 --> 01:11:34,040
We were on top of the world.
912
01:11:35,341 --> 01:11:36,509
There's nothing like it.
913
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:39,746
Every album we brought out
was instantly gold
914
01:11:39,912 --> 01:11:41,280
and then it would go platinum.
915
01:11:42,315 --> 01:11:43,549
Life was good.
916
01:11:43,783 --> 01:11:45,518
How could you not have fun
with that, right?
917
01:12:02,869 --> 01:12:03,703
Thank you!
918
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,775
If I don't get back fo
Dublin within three months,
919
01:12:09,108 --> 01:12:11,010
I really suffer
from homesickness.
920
01:12:13,146 --> 01:12:15,148
Ireland was
very significant to him.
921
01:12:15,581 --> 01:12:19,152
He was a proud Irishman,
he was a proud Dubliner,
922
01:12:19,552 --> 01:12:23,089
and that really comes through, that
came through in every show he did,
923
01:12:23,289 --> 01:12:26,192
it came through
in all of his works.
924
01:12:45,611 --> 01:12:48,514
Phil was an Irishman. Period.
925
01:12:49,582 --> 01:12:52,452
Phil's almost more Irish than
any other Irishman I ever met.
926
01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:55,988
We would go
into a radio station,
927
01:12:56,155 --> 01:12:57,857
we're publicising
this new album
928
01:12:58,024 --> 01:12:59,859
and some disc jockey
929
01:13:00,059 --> 01:13:05,832
inevitably would say something
very dumb about Ireland
930
01:13:05,998 --> 01:13:08,434
or he was just naive, ignorant,
right?
931
01:13:08,668 --> 01:13:12,472
He would say something and Phil would
go, "Whoa! Hold on a second here."
932
01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:16,743
From that point on, the whole
interview turned into an Irish lesson
933
01:13:16,909 --> 01:13:18,411
for this guy on air.
934
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,414
Coming from
England. The Stones...
935
01:13:21,581 --> 01:13:23,716
-Ireland. Ireland.
-Or Ireland.
936
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:24,917
Irish.
937
01:13:25,718 --> 01:13:27,920
Ah, yes, you sound like
a British person.
938
01:13:28,054 --> 01:13:30,056
No, I'm just teasing.
939
01:13:30,223 --> 01:13:32,492
Irish. I'm Irish,
you've got to get that right.
940
01:13:32,658 --> 01:13:34,026
Well, Great Britain, British.
941
01:13:34,193 --> 01:13:36,796
No. Irish, Republic of Ireland.
942
01:13:36,929 --> 01:13:39,098
- My goodness.
- There you go.
943
01:13:39,432 --> 01:13:40,633
Very important.
944
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:45,571
Within a year,
945
01:13:46,139 --> 01:13:47,774
it was all change.
946
01:13:48,541 --> 01:13:50,143
And I was a mum.
947
01:13:54,881 --> 01:13:56,783
He wanted his children
born in Ireland.
948
01:13:57,150 --> 01:13:58,451
That's how Irish he was.
949
01:13:59,919 --> 01:14:01,254
Caroline had to come home
950
01:14:01,420 --> 01:14:03,156
and have the children
in Holles Street.
951
01:14:08,795 --> 01:14:12,098
He'd decided that Sarah was going
to be born in Dublin
952
01:14:12,532 --> 01:14:13,699
without telling me.
953
01:14:17,703 --> 01:14:19,505
Seemed like
rather a nice adventure.
954
01:14:28,748 --> 01:14:31,017
When Philip and
Caroline got married
955
01:14:31,184 --> 01:14:32,618
and the kids came along,
956
01:14:32,852 --> 01:14:34,220
there were lovely times.
957
01:14:35,755 --> 01:14:37,023
There were happy times.
958
01:14:46,732 --> 01:14:49,869
I remember being so nervous
959
01:14:50,069 --> 01:14:51,938
the priest literally shook me
960
01:14:52,104 --> 01:14:54,140
and said, "Pull yourself
together, woman!"
961
01:14:57,009 --> 01:15:00,980
Philip laughed quite a lot of
the way through the ceremony,
962
01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:02,515
which I hope was joy.
963
01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:05,151
There is a photograph that
you see of me, like,
964
01:15:05,351 --> 01:15:07,253
giving him the evil eye.
965
01:15:09,455 --> 01:15:12,225
He was literally like the shoulders
were starting to heave.
966
01:15:12,425 --> 01:15:13,960
I was like, "Behave yourself!"
967
01:15:17,997 --> 01:15:19,699
I carried Sarah
during the ceremony.
968
01:15:19,866 --> 01:15:21,133
She was a sweetheart.
969
01:15:22,101 --> 01:15:23,269
Very well behaved.
970
01:15:25,504 --> 01:15:29,308
It was very good fun,
and the beginning of a new era.
971
01:15:31,777 --> 01:15:36,148
I just remember this room
full of family and friends
972
01:15:36,349 --> 01:15:38,618
and he looked
incredibly handsome.
973
01:15:39,118 --> 01:15:40,353
And I was very happy.
974
01:15:55,134 --> 01:15:56,869
It was absolute heaven.
975
01:15:58,504 --> 01:16:00,072
Heaven to raise children.
976
01:16:02,675 --> 01:16:03,876
It was just blissful.
977
01:16:06,712 --> 01:16:11,951
He was not a hands-on,
nappy-changing sort of father.
978
01:16:12,718 --> 01:16:15,121
But he doted on his girls.
979
01:16:19,792 --> 01:16:22,161
The memories
aren't necessarily tangible.
980
01:16:22,395 --> 01:16:25,898
The feeling is very much
still the same
981
01:16:26,065 --> 01:16:29,201
of him being part of our lives.
982
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:33,472
The best, because you could just
go out the back gate
983
01:16:33,639 --> 01:16:35,675
and you're on the beach
and you just were lost.
984
01:16:35,841 --> 01:16:38,077
And we'd be there for days.
985
01:16:39,178 --> 01:16:41,480
It's hard to describe,
it felt happy.
986
01:16:42,214 --> 01:16:45,718
It's this blur
of a warm childhood.
987
01:16:51,757 --> 01:16:53,626
He loved
to play games with the girls.
988
01:16:53,826 --> 01:16:55,561
And he'd just get lost
in the moment.
989
01:16:55,695 --> 01:16:56,996
It was brilliant.
990
01:16:58,798 --> 01:17:00,666
He had a very naughty
sense of humour.
991
01:17:01,901 --> 01:17:04,437
That naughty little boy
was definitely in there.
992
01:17:08,107 --> 01:17:10,710
Philip was somebody
who was very enchanted
993
01:17:10,876 --> 01:17:12,712
with the magical side of life.
994
01:17:15,348 --> 01:17:18,584
Becoming a father
has brought out emotions in me
995
01:17:18,751 --> 01:17:20,820
that I honestly
aian't think I had.
996
01:17:21,153 --> 01:17:23,789
[t's amazing when you do get
married and have children,
997
01:17:23,956 --> 01:17:26,025
how much passion
it can bring out.
998
01:17:28,294 --> 01:17:30,296
What do poets write about?
They write about love and death
999
01:17:30,463 --> 01:17:31,797
and everything in between.
1000
01:17:32,465 --> 01:17:34,300
And there was lots of love
in his life.
1001
01:17:35,835 --> 01:17:38,704
I don't remember
a lot of Philip sitting with me
1002
01:17:38,871 --> 01:17:41,907
and talking about the music
that he was creating.
1003
01:17:42,241 --> 01:17:47,747
But I do remember that he
brought the song "Sarah" to me
1004
01:17:47,913 --> 01:17:52,785
and it really was the first time
that he almost wanted approval.
1005
01:17:53,719 --> 01:17:56,122
It was like, um...
1006
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:01,894
a present.
1007
01:18:04,497 --> 01:18:05,831
A thank you present.
1008
01:18:56,615 --> 01:18:59,051
It's an amazing thing to have
a song written about you.
1009
01:19:01,454 --> 01:19:02,588
To not have him around
1010
01:19:02,755 --> 01:19:05,157
to say the things that
you want him to say to you,
1011
01:19:05,958 --> 01:19:09,095
to have that reassurance,
that love, that support there.
1012
01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,531
He wrote everything
in that song.
1013
01:19:12,698 --> 01:19:18,938
If I ever need to feel his love,
it's in that song.
1014
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:23,909
Obviously, there's many a time
that I've listened to it
1015
01:19:24,076 --> 01:19:25,478
and it's broken me,
1016
01:19:25,611 --> 01:19:27,513
but there's many a time
that I listen to it
1017
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:33,419
and it just fills you
with absolute love, basically.
1018
01:19:36,555 --> 01:19:38,591
We had a hit at the
same time, on Top of the Pops.
1019
01:19:38,757 --> 01:19:42,094
And I noticed that Phil
was a little bit uncomfortable
1020
01:19:42,294 --> 01:19:44,497
singing this song
about his daughter.
1021
01:19:44,797 --> 01:19:46,465
He was a little bit exposed.
1022
01:19:47,032 --> 01:19:49,902
And I was watching him sing it,
he must've seen me watching,
1023
01:19:50,069 --> 01:19:52,571
and he went like this, right in
the middle of one of the lyrics.
1024
01:19:52,738 --> 01:19:55,274
And I went, "Oh, that's..."
"I'm still Phil."
1025
01:19:56,142 --> 01:19:57,176
Don't look too deep.
1026
01:19:58,511 --> 01:19:59,545
Sweet.
1027
01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:16,195
He wrote the song "Cathleen"
because I said,
1028
01:20:16,395 --> 01:20:17,897
"You're not gonna write a song
for Sarah
1029
01:20:18,063 --> 01:20:19,532
and not write a song
for Cathleen.
1030
01:20:19,698 --> 01:20:21,534
You're just not.
That's not gonna happen."
1031
01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:24,303
Hold on, I thought he wrote
that song because he loved me.
1032
01:20:24,503 --> 01:20:25,571
Thanks, Mum.
1033
01:20:57,269 --> 01:20:59,171
It feels very much
about our family life,
1034
01:20:59,371 --> 01:21:01,040
not just about me, which is,
1035
01:21:01,173 --> 01:21:03,709
for somebody who doesn't have
loads of memories
1036
01:21:03,876 --> 01:21:05,377
and was very young,
1037
01:21:05,978 --> 01:21:09,348
I feel it kind of provides me
with a little snippet
1038
01:21:09,515 --> 01:21:14,153
of our family's life together
that's just for me.
1039
01:21:18,857 --> 01:21:22,027
You remember something and it's like
a tiny little moment.
1040
01:21:22,561 --> 01:21:26,098
If I try and think about it too much,
it tends to fade out.
1041
01:21:30,703 --> 01:21:34,073
He always had
the blue fade down on the car.
1042
01:21:35,507 --> 01:21:37,810
We could've been anywhere,
we could've been in town,
1043
01:21:37,977 --> 01:21:39,178
we could've been in London.
1044
01:21:39,378 --> 01:21:43,449
It was more just I know
that I felt small in the seat.
1045
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:45,851
And him just looking round.
1046
01:21:49,188 --> 01:21:51,156
Just that 'now are you doing
back there?"
1047
01:21:52,391 --> 01:21:54,159
And just going, "Yeah."
1048
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:05,938
I wish I could
remember more than that.
1049
01:22:06,538 --> 01:22:09,675
It's a snapshot almost,
with a feeling.
1050
01:22:12,778 --> 01:22:13,946
It's just a glimmer.
1051
01:22:22,187 --> 01:22:24,790
They were finally primed
to crack America.
1052
01:22:25,291 --> 01:22:28,560
But he had terrible problems
on American tours.
1053
01:22:29,395 --> 01:22:31,597
Something always seemed
to get in his way.
1054
01:22:32,598 --> 01:22:34,733
Three times, and fell down.
1055
01:23:21,547 --> 01:23:23,649
The impact
of Gary Moore leaving
1056
01:23:23,816 --> 01:23:27,052
was so far-reaching it's mind-blowing
because they were on tour
1057
01:23:27,252 --> 01:23:29,555
and the people that were
promoting the gigs, man,
1058
01:23:29,855 --> 01:23:31,357
you do that, that's the end.
1059
01:23:31,857 --> 01:23:34,093
That was the end of Lizzy
in the States.
1060
01:23:34,693 --> 01:23:37,496
It was another blow
to his American dreams.
1061
01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:40,332
They never really got it
right in America.
1062
01:23:40,632 --> 01:23:43,469
He never enjoyed the popular
success he should have.
1063
01:23:47,106 --> 01:23:48,540
Luck is a big thing
1064
01:23:48,707 --> 01:23:50,909
and that hasn't been
on our side in America.
1065
01:23:51,143 --> 01:23:53,479
But in so far as Thin Lizzy's career
Is concerned,
1066
01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:56,382
we've been a very successful
and a very lucky band.
1067
01:23:59,051 --> 01:24:01,387
When Gary quit
mid-tour of America,
1068
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,089
Philip didn't go,
"Ah, here, I'm giving up."
1069
01:24:04,356 --> 01:24:07,025
He was a great spirit
in that way, he never gave up.
1070
01:24:09,395 --> 01:24:11,897
We had some great players
over on the right-hand side.
1071
01:24:12,498 --> 01:24:17,169
Brian Robertson, Gary Moore,
Snowy White, John Sykes,
1072
01:24:17,836 --> 01:24:19,071
and then there's Midge.
1073
01:24:20,539 --> 01:24:22,474
It's a very odd chapter.
1074
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:26,612
Why he asked me to be
in the band, I will never know.
1075
01:24:26,779 --> 01:24:29,848
I'm not a killer whiz guitar player.
1076
01:24:30,215 --> 01:24:32,317
Which is what Lizzy
were always known for.
1077
01:24:33,385 --> 01:24:36,188
I get the phone call from Philip
who's in Arkansas,
1078
01:24:36,555 --> 01:24:38,657
who said, "We're on tour,
Gary's out.
1079
01:24:38,824 --> 01:24:41,059
The band didn't turn up
for a few of the shows.
1080
01:24:41,393 --> 01:24:42,961
Can you come out tomorrow?"
1081
01:24:43,896 --> 01:24:46,331
I had just enough time
to pack my bag,
1082
01:24:46,632 --> 01:24:48,600
and I thought I'd learn the set
on the plane.
1083
01:24:48,734 --> 01:24:50,135
And they flew me out
on Concorde.
1084
01:24:58,377 --> 01:25:01,180
I'd never been to America,
but I knew what America looked like
1085
01:25:01,613 --> 01:25:03,148
'cause I'd watched
Starsky and Hutch.
1086
01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:09,154
I got dressed to go on stage.
1087
01:25:09,588 --> 01:25:11,623
Big shoulder pads,
very '80s,
1088
01:25:11,790 --> 01:25:13,859
smart, you know,
neckerchief.
1089
01:25:15,794 --> 01:25:18,931
And Scott said, "Oh, God."
1090
01:25:19,097 --> 01:25:21,066
That guy's got some brass balls, man.
1091
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,502
All of a sudden, I'm on stage
1092
01:25:23,702 --> 01:25:26,238
with Phil Lynott leaning over
and going,
1093
01:25:26,638 --> 01:25:29,641
"Hey, here we go." You think...
1094
01:25:57,836 --> 01:25:58,937
It was glamourous,
1095
01:25:59,104 --> 01:26:02,040
it was everything you'd expect
a rock tour to be.
1096
01:26:02,341 --> 01:26:05,777
Girls a go-go, bottles of
champagne in the dressing room.
1097
01:26:06,345 --> 01:26:07,713
It was the package.
1098
01:26:08,146 --> 01:26:11,783
Rolling across America with
your band playing great music.
1099
01:26:11,950 --> 01:26:13,585
And all the trimmings.
1100
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:29,268
Depression started to hit us.
1101
01:26:29,535 --> 01:26:31,470
Knowing all the work
that we had done
1102
01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:34,706
and how hard we'd actually tried
to really break America
1103
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,775
and we just couldn't do it.
1104
01:26:37,175 --> 01:26:40,679
You can do things
during that age
1105
01:26:40,812 --> 01:26:43,415
that you will never ever be able
to do in your life again.
1106
01:26:43,849 --> 01:26:47,319
And you only know that
when you get to 35.
1107
01:26:47,452 --> 01:26:50,088
You kind of know
you can't get back
1108
01:26:50,289 --> 01:26:52,791
and channel
that same energy again.
1109
01:26:53,892 --> 01:26:58,931
So, itis, to an extent,
it is a Faustian pact.
1110
01:26:59,665 --> 01:27:04,169
But the wise man knows
that it's a short contract.
1111
01:27:29,728 --> 01:27:31,430
Phil always liked to experiment
1112
01:27:31,597 --> 01:27:34,232
and saw the potential
of using keyboards
1113
01:27:34,433 --> 01:27:36,068
as a part of the texture
of Thin Lizzy.
1114
01:27:36,468 --> 01:27:38,637
We just hit it off
straight away.
1115
01:27:39,071 --> 01:27:41,273
He asked me
what team I supported,
1116
01:27:41,573 --> 01:27:42,774
I said United.
1117
01:27:43,408 --> 01:27:45,277
Then it just went from there.
1118
01:27:46,311 --> 01:27:48,380
Dream come true,
I was just 18 as well.
1119
01:27:59,491 --> 01:28:02,794
Really, my life
became centred in Dublin,
1120
01:28:03,428 --> 01:28:05,864
whilst Philip was
mostly in London.
1121
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:08,500
We swapped countries.
1122
01:28:11,837 --> 01:28:14,873
If we were in London, I was living
in the house with Phil,
1123
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,809
and there was a lot
of tomfoolery going on.
1124
01:28:18,543 --> 01:28:20,345
I remember once,
we was all at the house
1125
01:28:20,512 --> 01:28:22,614
and we'd been recording stuff
and hanging out.
1126
01:28:22,914 --> 01:28:26,051
Philip comes down in the morning,
looking for his cheddar.
1127
01:28:26,418 --> 01:28:30,155
The only thing in the fridge
was a big lump of fucking cheddar.
1128
01:28:30,355 --> 01:28:31,556
Somebody had the munchies.
1129
01:28:31,690 --> 01:28:34,359
In the middle of the night
came down, took a chunk out of it.
1130
01:28:34,493 --> 01:28:37,529
And Phil's screaming, "Get down
here, get down here now!"
1131
01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:41,933
So, we all trundled downstairs and
Phil's there in his nightgown.
1132
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,970
And he went,
"Who the fuck ate the cheese?"
1133
01:28:47,072 --> 01:28:50,208
And there's this perfect bite mark
out of the cheese.
1134
01:28:50,509 --> 01:28:51,943
And he lined us all up.
1135
01:28:52,344 --> 01:28:55,580
He had the cheese, going,
"I wanna match your teeth marks."
1136
01:28:56,648 --> 01:29:00,752
I'm looking, going, "God, that looks
like the shape of my teeth on that."
1137
01:29:01,153 --> 01:29:02,754
So, we all have to bite the cheese.
1138
01:29:04,056 --> 01:29:05,557
He was taking samples.
1139
01:29:05,857 --> 01:29:07,859
"No, it wasn't him,
it wasn't you.
1140
01:29:08,026 --> 01:29:09,928
Gus, you're looking
a bit suspicious there."
1141
01:29:10,095 --> 01:29:13,598
Anyway, it turns out to be Gus.
Gus was the culprit.
1142
01:29:13,865 --> 01:29:16,234
Uh oh, he said it was Gus.
Maybe it was Gus.
1143
01:29:16,435 --> 01:29:18,103
I blame Darren, now, on that.
1144
01:29:18,303 --> 01:29:20,138
He was living in the house
at the time.
1145
01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:21,773
I'm sure it was Darren.
1146
01:29:21,940 --> 01:29:23,141
Phil just stormed off.
1147
01:29:23,341 --> 01:29:25,477
He didn't speak to us all
for about an hour,
1148
01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:27,145
going to the Hammersmith Odeon.
1149
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:30,182
Someone must've been
very hungry.
1150
01:29:39,558 --> 01:29:41,760
I can prick around
a bit with the solo stuff.
1151
01:29:41,893 --> 01:29:45,397
Like, I could use strings
and I could sing love songs.
1152
01:29:45,864 --> 01:29:48,400
[t's more interesting
as an individual.
1153
01:29:48,734 --> 01:29:50,769
But my first love is the band.
1154
01:30:08,420 --> 01:30:09,755
So, the drugs now.
1155
01:30:11,256 --> 01:30:12,491
I know we're going there.
1156
01:30:15,994 --> 01:30:18,296
They were there.
They were always there.
1157
01:30:18,463 --> 01:30:20,732
But really just
recreational stuff.
1158
01:30:22,067 --> 01:30:25,470
Almost everybody in the industry
was like that.
1159
01:30:26,438 --> 01:30:30,142
The beginning of the problem
with those class A drugs
1160
01:30:30,408 --> 01:30:34,679
started in Paris
with the "Black Rose" album.
1161
01:30:40,118 --> 01:30:42,587
This was where the problems
were beginning to start,
1162
01:30:42,788 --> 01:30:44,790
not that any of us
really knew that.
1163
01:30:45,957 --> 01:30:48,226
When you actually look
at the lyrics of the songs,
1164
01:30:48,493 --> 01:30:51,830
it's quite clear the idea
of hiding in plain sight,
1165
01:30:52,464 --> 01:30:55,000
and he was perhaps
reaching out,
1166
01:30:55,133 --> 01:30:57,869
hoping that some solution
might be found.
1167
01:31:45,250 --> 01:31:46,985
All right, come on.
1168
01:32:22,187 --> 01:32:25,357
There's no question
that was a note to self.
1169
01:32:34,733 --> 01:32:37,836
We did seem to be
on the road all the time.
1170
01:32:39,371 --> 01:32:42,841
Tokyo, Australia, America,
all over the world.
1171
01:32:43,408 --> 01:32:46,945
Private plane there, jet there,
just a massive big rollercoaster.
1172
01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:52,117
But that has its down sides
because you can burn people out.
1173
01:32:55,253 --> 01:32:57,756
This is the beginning
of cracks in the relationship
1174
01:32:57,889 --> 01:33:00,659
because we literally just
weren't together so much.
1175
01:33:01,693 --> 01:33:05,297
He was in a studio in London
or on tour
1176
01:33:05,463 --> 01:33:09,501
and actually became
a bit more of a visitor.
1177
01:33:11,336 --> 01:33:12,771
But there were other factors
1178
01:33:12,938 --> 01:33:14,873
that were influencing
his thinking
1179
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,909
and his behaviour and the way
our lives were going.
1180
01:33:18,076 --> 01:33:23,815
We were starting to shift away
from one another.
1181
01:33:25,650 --> 01:33:27,352
There was a marked change
1182
01:33:27,519 --> 01:33:29,821
in the guy that had
a trajectory upwards
1183
01:33:29,988 --> 01:33:32,958
and had a vision,
knew where he was going,
1184
01:33:33,091 --> 01:33:34,492
knew what he wanted,
1185
01:33:34,693 --> 01:33:37,529
and the guy
that was falling apart.
1186
01:33:38,997 --> 01:33:41,800
You can hear it in the lyrics and you
could feel it in the music.
1187
01:33:42,067 --> 01:33:44,569
It became more formulaic,
1188
01:33:44,936 --> 01:33:48,974
striving to get that
"The Boys are Back in Town" part two.
1189
01:33:50,675 --> 01:33:52,510
The energy was going now,
1190
01:33:52,677 --> 01:33:54,879
the writing seemed to go down.
1191
01:33:55,146 --> 01:33:58,316
Even through the haze of all
this crap that I had in my system,
1192
01:33:58,450 --> 01:34:01,453
I actually could see
and feel the difference.
1193
01:34:02,454 --> 01:34:05,590
I just went to Phil
and I said, "Buddy, I...
1194
01:34:06,558 --> 01:34:07,959
I gotta get out of this thing."
1195
01:34:09,027 --> 01:34:11,029
He says, "OK,
this is what we're gonna do."
1196
01:34:11,663 --> 01:34:15,033
We do one last album
and one last world tour
1197
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:16,968
so we can say goodbye
to all the fans."
1198
01:34:19,904 --> 01:34:22,140
So, that's what we did.
1199
01:34:22,674 --> 01:34:25,577
We're gonna do the only
slow number on the new album.
1200
01:34:26,911 --> 01:34:28,780
It's a deep meaningful song,
this one.
1201
01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:29,948
"Whiskey"!
1202
01:34:30,115 --> 01:34:32,017
No, it's not
"Whiskey in the fucking Jar".
1203
01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:41,626
When the management
first told us
1204
01:34:41,793 --> 01:34:43,995
that we're gonna take a break
that was all it was,
1205
01:34:44,129 --> 01:34:45,930
we're gonna take six months
to a year off
1206
01:34:46,331 --> 01:34:49,434
and give the guys time
to rejuvenate.
1207
01:34:50,368 --> 01:34:52,337
It was never meant to be
the end of the band.
1208
01:34:53,905 --> 01:34:56,908
All I can say about
the last years of Lynott,
1209
01:34:57,108 --> 01:34:59,911
just listen to the last album,
he's telling you everything.
1210
01:35:00,945 --> 01:35:01,980
It's all there.
1211
01:36:00,705 --> 01:36:03,308
The last gig in Dublin,
the spark was missing.
1212
01:36:04,509 --> 01:36:06,411
It was sad that this kind of Irish...
1213
01:36:06,578 --> 01:36:08,513
institution' is the wrong word,
I guess,
1214
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,350
but this Irish thing called
Thin Lizzy was to be no more.
1215
01:36:14,452 --> 01:36:16,154
Now, we know in retrospect
1216
01:36:16,588 --> 01:36:20,291
they were probably quite relieved
it was almost over.
1217
01:36:22,026 --> 01:36:24,028
I've been to enough concerts
to know that
1218
01:36:24,195 --> 01:36:26,798
it was right at the feet
that I would get the plectrum.
1219
01:36:27,699 --> 01:36:30,034
I just was in the right place
at the right time.
1220
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:35,507
Yeah.
1221
01:36:50,021 --> 01:36:51,890
We all just said
goodbye at the airport
1222
01:36:52,056 --> 01:36:56,094
as if "I'll see you next week,
then.' It was like that.
1223
01:36:56,828 --> 01:37:00,398
Totally opposite from the way I
thought the band was ever gonna end.
1224
01:37:00,532 --> 01:37:03,268
I thought it would be a mutual
thing and we'd have a party,
1225
01:37:03,434 --> 01:37:05,370
shaking hands with big hugs.
1226
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:07,572
It was me grabbing my bag
and saying,
1227
01:37:07,739 --> 01:37:09,040
"Good luck everybody."
1228
01:37:09,174 --> 01:37:11,543
It was a really crappy ending
to the whole thing.
1229
01:37:12,911 --> 01:37:15,747
So, what can you do?
1230
01:37:16,915 --> 01:37:18,416
Thin Lizzy is like a girlfriend
1231
01:37:18,583 --> 01:37:20,618
that you were madly in love with
at one stage.
1232
01:37:20,785 --> 01:37:22,921
I'm in love with the idea
of being with her again
1233
01:37:23,054 --> 01:37:24,856
but actually knowing
it's impossible,
1234
01:37:25,023 --> 01:37:26,391
you can't really go back.
1235
01:37:29,027 --> 01:37:31,796
So much had gone,
the brotherhood had gone.
1236
01:37:33,464 --> 01:37:35,066
And that's what Philip needed.
1237
01:37:56,688 --> 01:37:58,890
You cannot walk away
from a successful band
1238
01:37:59,057 --> 01:38:00,792
and expect to be
equally successful.
1239
01:38:00,959 --> 01:38:02,827
It's kind of like
starting all over again.
1240
01:38:04,062 --> 01:38:07,498
There's always
a transitional moment with fame
1241
01:38:07,999 --> 01:38:11,369
where the spotlight
moves away from you.
1242
01:38:11,536 --> 01:38:13,938
And it happens to everyone.
1243
01:38:16,674 --> 01:38:19,277
You get very vulnerable
at that moment
1244
01:38:19,611 --> 01:38:23,081
and you try and chase the fairy
dust in one way or another.
1245
01:38:37,662 --> 01:38:40,131
At that stage,
his marriage had broke up
1246
01:38:40,932 --> 01:38:43,668
and Lizzy had broke up, so
there was a lot happening there.
1247
01:38:44,068 --> 01:38:47,305
And he wasn't the same old
Philip that he used to be.
1248
01:38:51,476 --> 01:38:53,778
It's always sad
when a relationship
1249
01:38:54,012 --> 01:38:57,615
that you had thought was
for life breaks up.
1250
01:39:00,018 --> 01:39:03,621
In the same way
that we came together
1251
01:39:03,955 --> 01:39:06,758
in a kind of absorption
of each other,
1252
01:39:07,425 --> 01:39:11,396
we came apart in...
1253
01:39:12,463 --> 01:39:14,432
in... I don't know
how to describe it.
1254
01:39:14,599 --> 01:39:17,368
Ina... um...
1255
01:39:20,071 --> 01:39:23,274
Almost like the tide going out.
1256
01:39:24,575 --> 01:39:30,048
And there was,
I don't think, any point
1257
01:39:30,214 --> 01:39:36,120
where I knew that
the tide had turned.
1258
01:39:40,892 --> 01:39:44,829
I spent from 18 to 24 with him.
1259
01:39:47,265 --> 01:39:50,134
It's minute, really.
1260
01:39:53,871 --> 01:39:57,575
I kind of feel like I was only
beginning to get to know him.
1261
01:40:21,399 --> 01:40:22,467
He had faded.
1262
01:40:23,134 --> 01:40:24,502
Faded a lot.
1263
01:40:26,037 --> 01:40:27,638
I was really concerned
about him.
1264
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:30,908
Everybody tried to help,
1265
01:40:31,075 --> 01:40:32,777
but nobody can help
a drowning man.
1266
01:40:33,945 --> 01:40:35,747
You'd do anything
to put a rope out there
1267
01:40:35,913 --> 01:40:37,348
and just haul him back in.
1268
01:40:39,450 --> 01:40:40,752
But life isn't like that.
1269
01:40:47,291 --> 01:40:51,863
I wanted to get him back,
singing up in the range
1270
01:40:52,296 --> 01:40:55,400
with that power that he had,
that only he had.
1271
01:41:00,471 --> 01:41:02,440
But for Philip,
I would never be here.
1272
01:41:04,142 --> 01:41:05,877
He was instrumental for me.
1273
01:41:09,113 --> 01:41:10,415
The late '70s,
1274
01:41:10,581 --> 01:41:13,351
my band Clover was selected
to open for Thin Lizzy.
1275
01:41:14,919 --> 01:41:17,188
Our first show,
the curtain goes up to...
1276
01:41:19,957 --> 01:41:21,626
Lizzy! Here's this other band.
1277
01:41:24,028 --> 01:41:26,197
The place went, "Boo!"
1278
01:41:26,464 --> 01:41:28,199
Barely got through
all eight tunes.
1279
01:41:28,866 --> 01:41:31,769
And just hustled off the stage
to silence.
1280
01:41:32,970 --> 01:41:35,373
And just in the wings
of the stage
1281
01:41:35,540 --> 01:41:37,375
watching the whole show
was Philip.
1282
01:41:39,076 --> 01:41:40,945
And he said, "Come on,
let's have a chat."
1283
01:41:42,513 --> 01:41:44,949
He had faith in me
and he raised me up.
1284
01:41:45,249 --> 01:41:46,217
Literally.
1285
01:41:47,852 --> 01:41:49,153
He came to San Francisco
1286
01:41:49,654 --> 01:41:52,790
and we spent a week
working in the studio.
1287
01:41:53,591 --> 01:41:55,193
And we got a few things cut.
1288
01:41:56,627 --> 01:41:57,829
None of them were finished,
1289
01:41:57,995 --> 01:42:00,031
but we were on our way
and it was great,
1290
01:42:00,198 --> 01:42:01,699
and he was going to go
to England
1291
01:42:01,866 --> 01:42:03,534
and come back
and finish the songs.
1292
01:42:10,741 --> 01:42:14,312
He was over
on a flying visit to Dublin
1293
01:42:15,179 --> 01:42:16,447
and we had a great chat.
1294
01:42:17,148 --> 01:42:18,182
But before he left,
1295
01:42:18,382 --> 01:42:20,852
he said, like, he goes, "I just
want to say to you that
1296
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,422
my love affair
with Dublin is over.
1297
01:42:26,491 --> 01:42:29,026
So, I go, "What?"
1298
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,796
And he says, "Yeah, my love
affair with Dublin's over."
1299
01:42:31,929 --> 01:42:34,332
He says, "That's it."
1300
01:42:36,634 --> 01:42:38,703
So, that was...
1301
01:42:43,374 --> 01:42:44,375
pretty sad.
1302
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:50,448
I never saw him again.
1303
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,622
After that,
he just walked out the door
1304
01:42:57,788 --> 01:42:59,423
and six months later
he was dead.
1305
01:44:26,143 --> 01:44:27,912
What a way for it to end,
you know what I mean?
1306
01:44:28,079 --> 01:44:30,648
It was just... It wasn't
how it was meant to end, was it?
1307
01:44:43,694 --> 01:44:45,630
It's just one terrible
day in my life.
1308
01:44:47,632 --> 01:44:48,733
I'll never forget it.
1309
01:44:56,574 --> 01:44:58,342
Man, it's just been on the news.
1310
01:44:58,509 --> 01:45:00,478
That's how I found out,
it was on the news.
1311
01:45:01,278 --> 01:45:02,380
Yeah.
1312
01:45:03,814 --> 01:45:04,815
Yes, sorry.
1313
01:45:13,491 --> 01:45:14,692
Absolutely crushed me.
1314
01:45:15,059 --> 01:45:16,160
I was in my basement.
1315
01:45:16,894 --> 01:45:19,530
I just sat on the stairs,
cried like a baby.
1316
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,169
This was a guy that loomed large
in your life.
1317
01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:28,506
And now he's not there
and he's not gonna be there.
1318
01:45:29,073 --> 01:45:30,174
So...
1319
01:45:32,209 --> 01:45:33,344
Yeah.
1320
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:37,415
Weird. It's even weird
to talk about it, you know.
1321
01:45:41,752 --> 01:45:43,621
There's things that
go way past shock.
1322
01:45:43,788 --> 01:45:45,890
And then there's always regrets.
1323
01:45:46,157 --> 01:45:48,292
There's always the melancholy.
1324
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,069
It was absolutely
heart-breaking.
1325
01:45:58,669 --> 01:46:01,439
Even great people
are desperately vulnerable.
1326
01:46:07,945 --> 01:46:09,480
It was a horrible wet day.
1327
01:46:11,248 --> 01:46:13,984
It was bleak and black, rainy.
1328
01:46:14,919 --> 01:46:16,954
It was incredibly hard
to accept.
1329
01:46:41,078 --> 01:46:42,413
At some point,
1330
01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:46,550
there is a recognition that
that life, albeit shorter
1331
01:46:46,717 --> 01:46:49,186
and much, much shorter
than it should've been,
1332
01:46:49,787 --> 01:46:52,389
left behind something
far greater
1333
01:46:52,556 --> 01:46:54,358
than most of us will
in our lifetimes.
1334
01:46:55,893 --> 01:46:57,661
We can still hear his voice
1335
01:46:58,229 --> 01:47:01,298
and still tap into
those memories
1336
01:47:01,465 --> 01:47:03,100
of everything that he left.
1337
01:47:11,142 --> 01:47:14,812
When I was on a train with him once
when he was a little boy,
1338
01:47:15,146 --> 01:47:16,847
he put his arms around me,
he said,
1339
01:47:17,114 --> 01:47:18,749
"You smell lovely, Mummy.
1340
01:47:19,016 --> 01:47:22,386
When I grow up, I'll buy you
lots and lots of perfume
1341
01:47:22,553 --> 01:47:24,088
and a big, big house."
1342
01:47:24,355 --> 01:47:25,589
And blow me, he did.
1343
01:48:03,093 --> 01:48:04,628
All the time,
we think about him.
1344
01:48:05,396 --> 01:48:07,731
He was one of a kind,
Philip Lynott.
1345
01:48:08,465 --> 01:48:09,400
One of a kind.
1346
01:48:10,768 --> 01:48:14,104
I've stolen a few...
Or borrowed, excuse me.
1347
01:48:14,638 --> 01:48:17,675
Borrowed a few lines from him
over the years.
1348
01:48:17,908 --> 01:48:18,976
"You still out there?"
1349
01:48:21,712 --> 01:48:24,748
Phil Lynott would give you
his entire soul
1350
01:48:25,015 --> 01:48:26,217
just to get you to smile.
1351
01:48:28,385 --> 01:48:31,088
I picture him as the guy
I met at the very start.
1352
01:48:31,789 --> 01:48:33,357
He worked his arse off.
1353
01:48:34,458 --> 01:48:36,060
You can sit and dream
all you want.
1354
01:48:36,493 --> 01:48:37,995
But you've got to pick it up.
1355
01:48:42,066 --> 01:48:45,302
I reckon he'd be dancing with the
young ones around him somewhere.
1356
01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:49,306
He'd tell 'em the boys are back in
town, probably in a kind of calypso.
1357
01:48:56,146 --> 01:48:57,781
I still have dreams about him.
1358
01:48:58,415 --> 01:49:01,452
This working-class lad
who took on the world
1359
01:49:01,619 --> 01:49:04,054
and gave it
a damn good thrashing.
1360
01:49:05,856 --> 01:49:08,058
It's always him looking
over his left-hand shoulder
1361
01:49:08,225 --> 01:49:09,560
and giving me this grin.
1362
01:49:09,693 --> 01:49:12,463
Like, "Wow, check this out.
Isn't this cool, man?"
1363
01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:13,797
And I'm like, "Yeah!"
1364
01:49:21,305 --> 01:49:23,173
I have the memories,
I have the music
1365
01:49:23,374 --> 01:49:24,775
and I have Sarah and Cathleen
1366
01:49:25,309 --> 01:49:29,480
who keep him with me in my life.
1367
01:49:29,947 --> 01:49:32,016
And I'm grateful for that.
1368
01:49:38,789 --> 01:49:42,293
Loved.
We felt very loved by him.
1369
01:49:44,295 --> 01:49:45,462
To feel loved.
1370
01:49:46,931 --> 01:49:48,132
And to pass that on.
1371
01:49:49,066 --> 01:49:51,502
That's a beautiful thing.
1372
01:49:53,671 --> 01:49:55,172
Until the next time. Thank you!
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