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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,782 --> 00:00:33,150 It's really good to be back. 2 00:00:33,584 --> 00:00:35,719 And we'll let the show commence. 3 00:00:59,376 --> 00:01:00,844 Its OK when you're in a studio 4 00:01:00,978 --> 00:01:03,313 and there's no one there. You can say, "I love you.? 5 00:01:03,614 --> 00:01:05,949 But, when there's a couple of thousand people there, 6 00:01:06,116 --> 00:01:08,585 I'd much prefer fo say, "I'll knock your head off." 7 00:01:52,095 --> 00:01:54,398 Philip was a dreamer and a lover. 8 00:01:55,065 --> 00:01:56,600 He had such a huge heart. 9 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:59,069 Smart, he was sensitive. 10 00:01:59,269 --> 00:02:01,438 For a hard rocker, he was very, very sensitive. 11 00:02:02,039 --> 00:02:04,441 He was fun-loving, man, he was a half-full guy. 12 00:02:04,908 --> 00:02:06,477 And talented beyond belief. 13 00:02:07,110 --> 00:02:08,479 He was all those things. 14 00:02:09,446 --> 00:02:11,548 He was young, but how many people accomplish 15 00:02:11,715 --> 00:02:13,484 what Philip accomplished in his life? 16 00:02:20,324 --> 00:02:21,992 What I always feel sad about is that 17 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:23,694 there's so much focus on the death 18 00:02:24,161 --> 00:02:28,232 and I would love to just know more about the man, 19 00:02:28,432 --> 00:02:32,870 the living man, the happy, amazing, creative, 20 00:02:33,036 --> 00:02:37,107 you know, loving, loving, loveable man. 21 00:04:07,197 --> 00:04:08,999 Well, Philip was utterly unique. 22 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:15,038 Exotic, exciting, thrilling, and yet Irish as well. 23 00:04:16,506 --> 00:04:18,909 If anybody had been born to be a Rasta, 24 00:04:19,076 --> 00:04:20,677 Phil Lynott was born to be a Rasta. 25 00:04:22,679 --> 00:04:24,748 The man was red hot, he was on fire. 26 00:04:25,349 --> 00:04:26,683 You just wanted to be near him. 27 00:04:28,018 --> 00:04:30,587 Literally the best hard rock entertainer 28 00:04:30,754 --> 00:04:32,189 I've ever seen, ever. 29 00:04:34,825 --> 00:04:37,561 One of the greatest songwriters of all time. 30 00:04:39,796 --> 00:04:41,632 He was fearless in his song writing. 31 00:04:43,834 --> 00:04:46,403 He wrote pieces of lyric music 32 00:04:46,536 --> 00:04:48,305 that touched people's hearts. 33 00:04:49,206 --> 00:04:52,042 He brought poetry into rock music. 34 00:04:55,712 --> 00:04:56,913 He had all the moves, 35 00:04:57,114 --> 00:04:59,983 but he was very sincere with the audience. 36 00:05:01,118 --> 00:05:04,321 He knew how to connect with them without... It wasn't an act. 37 00:05:05,756 --> 00:05:07,157 It was Phil. 38 00:05:11,628 --> 00:05:14,197 He was a very, very complex person. 39 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:20,103 This is a man that it's going to take you years to get to know. 40 00:05:22,205 --> 00:05:26,510 Someone who will constantly surprise you. 41 00:05:30,213 --> 00:05:32,983 He was a kid living in Dublin. 42 00:05:33,817 --> 00:05:35,285 Living with his grandmother. 43 00:05:36,753 --> 00:05:40,023 Being the only Black kid in Ireland at this point. 44 00:05:43,293 --> 00:05:45,462 He was just trying to tell us who he was. 45 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:50,667 He was a very intelligent, cultured man, 46 00:05:51,268 --> 00:05:53,537 in spite of all the razzamatazz. 47 00:05:54,638 --> 00:05:56,540 He knew the power of the words. 48 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:01,778 Philip was just writing his life. 49 00:06:02,779 --> 00:06:04,948 He was writing the story of his life. 50 00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:20,297 Green grass. 51 00:06:21,598 --> 00:06:23,667 A girl who used to live across the road. 52 00:06:25,469 --> 00:06:28,038 Rain, my granny. 53 00:06:28,472 --> 00:06:31,508 And me in short trousers. 54 00:06:42,185 --> 00:06:44,187 When I went over to England, 55 00:06:44,387 --> 00:06:48,358 I was seventeen, and I got myself in trouble. 56 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:52,662 And a big, tall Black gentleman became the father of Philip. 57 00:06:52,996 --> 00:06:54,631 And, in those days, 58 00:06:54,798 --> 00:06:58,201 if a girl had a baby without a ring on her finger, 59 00:06:58,401 --> 00:06:59,936 she was soiled goods. 60 00:07:00,403 --> 00:07:03,573 And I got battered and beaten because I was the mother 61 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:04,975 of the Black baby. 62 00:07:07,844 --> 00:07:09,312 Philomena Lynott went through 63 00:07:09,479 --> 00:07:11,681 an extremely difficult number of years 64 00:07:11,815 --> 00:07:15,786 before she made the decision that Philip would be better 65 00:07:15,952 --> 00:07:18,355 back in Dublin with her mother and father. 66 00:07:19,656 --> 00:07:22,559 I asked my mother would she help me, 67 00:07:23,059 --> 00:07:24,427 and my mother took Philip, 68 00:07:24,895 --> 00:07:26,763 and it was heart-rending fo leave him. 69 00:08:12,342 --> 00:08:15,111 14-15 months between us, like, 70 00:08:15,312 --> 00:08:17,180 we grew up basically as brothers. 71 00:08:19,349 --> 00:08:21,117 Definitely did have an English accent. 72 00:08:21,885 --> 00:08:23,153 He soon lost that. 73 00:08:23,353 --> 00:08:25,555 You hear him, he's real Dub. 74 00:08:28,158 --> 00:08:30,160 Crumlin was a very special place. 75 00:08:31,194 --> 00:08:33,396 Big families, there was nine of us. 76 00:08:35,298 --> 00:08:38,735 There was no such thing as contraception then, you know. 77 00:08:42,539 --> 00:08:45,141 Two bedrooms and an outside toilet. 78 00:08:45,375 --> 00:08:47,177 There was two double beds in the back room 79 00:08:47,377 --> 00:08:49,312 and two double beds in the front room. 80 00:09:34,925 --> 00:09:36,159 School, of course, 81 00:09:36,626 --> 00:09:38,228 that was just pandemonium. 82 00:09:39,696 --> 00:09:42,666 I remember exactly the first morning 83 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:44,234 walking through the gates. 84 00:09:44,734 --> 00:09:46,703 There was a crowd of chaps there. 85 00:09:47,304 --> 00:09:51,508 Like, you just didn't see Black people in Ireland in the '50s. 86 00:09:52,042 --> 00:09:53,510 And then the name came out. 87 00:09:54,945 --> 00:09:55,979 "Hey, blackie!" 88 00:09:57,347 --> 00:09:58,481 "Hey, blackie!" 89 00:09:58,915 --> 00:10:03,186 You know, and, my, the hairs on the back of my neck. 90 00:10:03,987 --> 00:10:05,922 And I just said, "Philip, come on, 91 00:10:06,056 --> 00:10:07,557 let's get stuck into this." 92 00:10:08,158 --> 00:10:09,259 And we went over. 93 00:10:09,459 --> 00:10:12,228 And we were in more fights, the two of us, 94 00:10:12,662 --> 00:10:14,965 around the first few weeks in school, 95 00:10:15,966 --> 00:10:17,600 but that was the end of it. 96 00:10:18,034 --> 00:10:20,003 They just stopped it after that. 97 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:24,541 So, yeah, those were the days. 98 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:28,578 I don't think he had an easy childhood. 99 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:31,081 And it must've been bloody hard for him, 100 00:10:31,281 --> 00:10:32,549 if you think about it. 101 00:10:32,983 --> 00:10:34,617 Being the only Black kid in the school 102 00:10:34,784 --> 00:10:36,853 and having a mother that visited from England. 103 00:10:37,387 --> 00:10:38,855 But he adored his mother 104 00:10:39,022 --> 00:10:41,124 and he would've done anything for his mother. 105 00:10:42,859 --> 00:10:45,061 I certainly always saw 106 00:10:45,261 --> 00:10:47,397 a very strong connection between 107 00:10:47,564 --> 00:10:49,299 the rebel spirit that Philip had 108 00:10:49,733 --> 00:10:52,068 and the rebel spirit that Philomena had shown. 109 00:10:55,905 --> 00:10:59,042 He reflected an extraordinary love of Philomena 110 00:10:59,175 --> 00:11:00,343 in his song writing. 111 00:11:03,346 --> 00:11:06,216 A child who is separated from the parent 112 00:11:06,416 --> 00:11:08,985 that has brought them up for the first seven or eight years, 113 00:11:09,152 --> 00:11:11,254 that is obviously going to have a huge impact. 114 00:11:58,635 --> 00:11:59,669 At that time, 115 00:11:59,836 --> 00:12:02,605 Ireland was very much an oppressive state. 116 00:12:02,739 --> 00:12:04,441 In many ways, precisely the opposite 117 00:12:04,574 --> 00:12:06,076 of the land of opportunity. 118 00:12:06,242 --> 00:12:09,746 But there was a sense that rock and roll mattered. 119 00:12:20,223 --> 00:12:23,660 Show bands dominated music in Ireland. 120 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,361 Dancehalls everywhere 121 00:12:25,495 --> 00:12:27,263 and people dancing seven nights a week. 122 00:12:27,430 --> 00:12:29,199 Big ballrooms in the middle of nowhere. 123 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:31,601 No alcohol and the opposite sex. 124 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:45,782 Kind of a teenage show band. 125 00:12:46,015 --> 00:12:47,984 It was a very innocent thing when you think back on it. 126 00:12:48,151 --> 00:12:49,986 There's a bunch of fifteen or sixteen-year-olds 127 00:12:50,153 --> 00:12:52,155 going around the place and getting paid to do it. 128 00:12:54,657 --> 00:12:56,392 We used to call ourselves The Eagles. 129 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,661 Then we heard there was a little Mickey Mouse band in America 130 00:12:58,828 --> 00:12:59,996 called The Eagles. 131 00:13:00,296 --> 00:13:01,965 So, we said we'd better change our name. 132 00:13:02,565 --> 00:13:04,400 And then, of course, when Philip came in, 133 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:06,836 it was an automatic change to The Black Eagles. 134 00:13:09,305 --> 00:13:12,175 We'd be out travelling, playing second fiddle to the show bands. 135 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:15,678 And we could be going to Dundalk, or Tramore or Galway. 136 00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:18,715 Then you'd be back home and up for school the next morning. 137 00:13:20,183 --> 00:13:22,986 If Philip was short of something, he was short of confidence. 138 00:13:23,453 --> 00:13:24,554 But he stood out. 139 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:27,423 Bear in mind, I'm only thirteen at the time 140 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:29,159 but I knew he had something special. 141 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:35,798 We make connections 142 00:13:35,965 --> 00:13:38,902 which can have a transformative effect. 143 00:13:45,642 --> 00:13:48,678 The fact Philip connected with Brian Downey at school 144 00:13:48,845 --> 00:13:50,680 was something that mattered hugely 145 00:13:50,813 --> 00:13:53,550 to the way in which his life and his career developed. 146 00:13:57,954 --> 00:14:00,657 One Monday morning, me and Brian Downey were called down 147 00:14:00,823 --> 00:14:03,860 fo the headmaster and he goes, "What do you wanna do? 148 00:14:04,027 --> 00:14:06,396 Do you want a good, steady trade and job 149 00:14:06,563 --> 00:14:08,464 and be able fo support a wife and children 150 00:14:08,665 --> 00:14:11,701 or do you want fo be a dirty rock musician?" 151 00:14:14,404 --> 00:14:15,872 I remember when he joined Skid Row 152 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,041 Brush Shiels would say, "Get out in front there, Philip, 153 00:14:18,174 --> 00:14:19,375 and take the jigs." 154 00:14:19,542 --> 00:14:21,544 And he picked Philip 'cause he was a looker. 155 00:14:21,744 --> 00:14:23,313 I'm a big Harry Belafonte fan, 156 00:14:23,479 --> 00:14:25,682 I says, "Who's this guy? He looks good. 157 00:14:26,216 --> 00:14:28,084 If he can sing, then we're in business." 158 00:14:29,819 --> 00:14:31,955 So, I went in and I said to him, "What do you like?" 159 00:14:32,522 --> 00:14:35,258 And he says to me, "I like Paul Simon, 160 00:14:35,858 --> 00:14:37,026 "I Am A Rock"." 161 00:14:37,894 --> 00:14:39,963 I said, "Ah, nothing..." 162 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:42,699 Then he says, "I like Nico and The Velvet Underground." 163 00:14:42,865 --> 00:14:45,668 I says, "No, nothing like that. 164 00:14:45,835 --> 00:14:49,005 Like, you wanna be Jimi Hendrix, that's where we're going." 165 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:52,842 That was a great line-up. 166 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:55,445 Gary Moore had arrived down from Belfast 167 00:14:55,578 --> 00:14:56,879 at the age of sixteen, 168 00:14:57,013 --> 00:14:58,815 to become the guitar player in Skid Row. 169 00:14:59,015 --> 00:15:01,918 He'd go on to have a relationship with Philip over the years, 170 00:15:02,085 --> 00:15:03,820 as a sideman and as a rival. 171 00:15:04,921 --> 00:15:06,856 This was a band that had pedigree. 172 00:15:07,190 --> 00:15:09,726 The ideal training ground, really, for performance. 173 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:12,562 He wasn't singing on key that well. 174 00:15:12,762 --> 00:15:16,065 But then it turned out that he had a very bad tonsil in his throat. 175 00:15:16,299 --> 00:15:18,101 So, his ma brought him over to Manchester 176 00:15:18,301 --> 00:15:19,702 to get his tonsils done. 177 00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:21,871 When he came back, I had to let him go. 178 00:15:22,805 --> 00:15:25,775 He came on my honeymoon, he was one of my best pals. 179 00:15:26,776 --> 00:15:29,746 I took it very badly and he took it very badly but it had to be done. 180 00:15:30,146 --> 00:15:32,081 There's no turning back with these things. 181 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:34,317 You knew, for Phil to survive, 182 00:15:34,484 --> 00:15:36,552 I told him, "You have to play an instrument." 183 00:15:37,153 --> 00:15:39,155 And I promised that I'd teach him how to play. 184 00:15:39,422 --> 00:15:41,257 And the next day he was up at my house 185 00:15:41,424 --> 00:15:43,059 to start the bass lessons. 186 00:15:43,593 --> 00:15:45,595 That was it, away he went. 187 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:48,965 The beginning of Philo. 188 00:15:52,302 --> 00:15:54,203 The first thing you need to know about the bass is 189 00:15:54,404 --> 00:15:57,373 it's that big heavy thing that hangs down between your legs. 190 00:15:58,508 --> 00:16:02,078 The bass is this secret weapon, it's where the power comes from. 191 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:05,148 It locks in a groove with the drum Kit. 192 00:16:06,316 --> 00:16:09,385 The drums and the bass give you that nice, sexy 193 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:10,853 wiggle of the hips. 194 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:14,023 And then all the other girly stuff sits on top. 195 00:16:14,357 --> 00:16:15,992 But we are the men of the band. 196 00:16:18,761 --> 00:16:21,664 Philip became a very accomplished musician, 197 00:16:22,098 --> 00:16:24,334 so it was a weapon in his hands. 198 00:16:25,401 --> 00:16:26,502 Da-da! 199 00:16:27,503 --> 00:16:29,138 This is where it all happens, folks. 200 00:16:41,984 --> 00:16:45,154 I remember the first night I ever went out in Dublin on my own. 201 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:47,924 I went round all these pubs, 202 00:16:48,191 --> 00:16:49,959 "Do you know any bass players and drummers?" 203 00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:51,461 "Sorry, we can't help you." 204 00:16:52,028 --> 00:16:54,831 I thought, "You silly bastard. What have you done?' 205 00:16:57,133 --> 00:16:58,701 And then I met Eric Wrixon 206 00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:01,938 and we ended up going to the Countdown Club. 207 00:17:02,705 --> 00:17:04,774 Next minute, this band walked on the stage 208 00:17:04,941 --> 00:17:07,643 and Philip was the singer and Brian Downey was the drummer. 209 00:17:19,989 --> 00:17:21,758 Laugh at this or not, but 210 00:17:21,924 --> 00:17:24,293 a wise man makes his own opportunities. 211 00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:27,430 And I'd said, "Right." 212 00:17:28,564 --> 00:17:31,934 I got up, sort of staggered over to the changing room door 213 00:17:32,201 --> 00:17:34,103 and knocked on it. 214 00:17:34,704 --> 00:17:35,705 "Come in." 215 00:17:37,273 --> 00:17:40,143 I forgot to mention this. It was my first trip on acid. 216 00:17:40,977 --> 00:17:42,378 I couldn't talk to them. 217 00:17:42,545 --> 00:17:44,514 I was giggling at everything I said. 218 00:17:44,747 --> 00:17:47,417 And they thought I was an escaped nutter or something. 219 00:17:47,617 --> 00:17:50,586 And I said, "Yeah, I'm actually looking for a bass player 220 00:17:50,753 --> 00:17:52,622 and drummer and I can't find anybody 221 00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:54,991 and my money's running out..." 222 00:17:57,260 --> 00:17:59,829 And Phil said, "Right, we'll form a band with you, Eric, 223 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:01,197 on two conditions. 224 00:18:02,098 --> 00:18:04,233 Number one: I wanna play the bass." 225 00:18:04,901 --> 00:18:07,136 And I said, "OK, can you play the bass?" 226 00:18:07,837 --> 00:18:10,039 He said, "I'm getting lessons from Brush Shiels." 227 00:18:10,173 --> 00:18:11,507 "OK, what's the second?" 228 00:18:11,674 --> 00:18:13,643 He said, "I wanna do some of my own songs." 229 00:18:15,178 --> 00:18:17,180 And when I heard Philip's songs, 230 00:18:17,747 --> 00:18:20,983 I imagined my own guitar playing in them. 231 00:18:22,752 --> 00:18:23,753 I just knew. 232 00:18:27,156 --> 00:18:30,426 Philip started his early writing career 233 00:18:30,593 --> 00:18:32,562 as a kind of poet, and that's what he was. 234 00:18:33,463 --> 00:18:35,031 The songs come from inspiration, 235 00:18:35,198 --> 00:18:37,834 but I don't really check out where the inspiration comes from 236 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,869 cause thats getting foo close fo the mark. 237 00:18:40,903 --> 00:18:42,338 You write about what you know 238 00:18:42,505 --> 00:18:45,675 and Philip wrote about his life in Dublin. 239 00:18:46,676 --> 00:18:48,344 There was a cinema called The Star. 240 00:18:48,878 --> 00:18:50,480 And all the kids went there. 241 00:18:50,780 --> 00:18:52,682 They showed all the cowboy movies. 242 00:18:53,316 --> 00:18:55,718 Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, 243 00:18:57,019 --> 00:18:59,055 all those movies, so we used to go there. 244 00:18:59,856 --> 00:19:01,791 The whole point of Philip's existence 245 00:19:01,958 --> 00:19:06,496 was this miasma of different cultural interactions. 246 00:19:07,196 --> 00:19:08,431 Comic books, 247 00:19:09,632 --> 00:19:11,400 you had Irish myths and legends: 248 00:19:11,801 --> 00:19:13,803 the children of Lir, Cuchulain. 249 00:19:14,136 --> 00:19:16,339 You had cowboys, he was obsessed with cowboys. 250 00:19:17,773 --> 00:19:19,976 And Philip found his own niche in the middle of all that 251 00:19:20,142 --> 00:19:22,345 with the mythical as well as mystical. 252 00:19:22,845 --> 00:19:24,146 He liked everything from the Lone Ranger 253 00:19:24,347 --> 00:19:25,815 to Gnasher and Dennis the Menace 254 00:19:25,982 --> 00:19:27,550 in the Beano at the time. 255 00:19:43,633 --> 00:19:45,501 The first Lizzy variant was a four-piece. 256 00:19:46,202 --> 00:19:47,803 Eric Wrixon on keyboard. 257 00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:49,839 And essentially he was let go 258 00:19:49,972 --> 00:19:52,375 simply because they weren't generating enough money. 259 00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:03,252 Philip said, "Traffic got a house together, 260 00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:05,254 the Allman Brothers got a house together, 261 00:20:05,421 --> 00:20:07,723 Crosby, Stills and Nash have got a house together, 262 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:11,027 and they're doing it because they can work on their music 263 00:20:11,193 --> 00:20:12,862 all day every day. 264 00:20:13,195 --> 00:20:14,230 You're living it." 265 00:20:16,065 --> 00:20:18,501 Philip had tuned in to the idea 266 00:20:18,668 --> 00:20:21,437 that you could express yourself through music 267 00:20:21,871 --> 00:20:24,073 and he found a voice. 268 00:20:25,942 --> 00:20:28,377 Philip had this amazing energy about him. 269 00:20:29,145 --> 00:20:32,748 I'd be sitting on the sofa with an acoustic guitar 270 00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:35,585 and Brian Downey doing this. 271 00:20:36,819 --> 00:20:39,455 Philip would say, "I've got this idea. 272 00:20:39,789 --> 00:20:41,257 What was that you were playing?" 273 00:20:41,424 --> 00:20:43,492 And I'd play it, and he said, "No, 274 00:20:44,226 --> 00:20:48,230 too bluesy. No, too jazzy. Too folky. Too rocky." 275 00:20:48,431 --> 00:20:50,299 I said, "What do you frickin' want? 276 00:20:51,267 --> 00:20:53,669 It's all I know. You've heard it, you know." 277 00:20:54,804 --> 00:20:58,674 And he'd say, "Yeah, that's when you start." 278 00:21:00,476 --> 00:21:02,878 You could see Philip developing as a lyric writer 279 00:21:03,045 --> 00:21:06,082 and he was sort of folky, mystic, 280 00:21:06,215 --> 00:21:09,185 part of that folk tradition that was happening at the time. 281 00:21:10,453 --> 00:21:12,989 There was more honesty in his writing in the early days. 282 00:21:13,255 --> 00:21:14,523 Much more innocent. 283 00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:18,027 He hadn't had a taste of the bigtime yet. 284 00:21:19,261 --> 00:21:21,797 Philip created a cast of characters. 285 00:21:22,565 --> 00:21:24,100 He was looking at the people he knew. 286 00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:27,036 And he was including them in his songs. 287 00:21:28,638 --> 00:21:31,040 It was a summer, so you know how summers stretch. 288 00:21:31,173 --> 00:21:33,776 You always think they're much longer than they actually are. 289 00:21:34,343 --> 00:21:36,479 They had a little summer house, a conservatory thing 290 00:21:36,612 --> 00:21:38,014 attached to the side of the house. 291 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:39,415 They said I could basically stay there 292 00:21:39,582 --> 00:21:42,752 providing I made sure there was bread and cornflakes and all that stuff. 293 00:21:42,918 --> 00:21:44,387 We got on incredibly well. 294 00:21:44,854 --> 00:21:47,723 There was nothing physical at all, it was just verbal. 295 00:21:48,624 --> 00:21:50,559 And then after that something had changed. 296 00:21:55,698 --> 00:21:57,633 The first time I heard, I was a bit worried 297 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,602 he was improving a bit too fast for my liking. 298 00:22:31,667 --> 00:22:34,136 "Be afraid". I mean, that's kind of worrying, isn't it? 299 00:22:34,403 --> 00:22:35,538 "Be afraid". 300 00:22:50,052 --> 00:22:52,621 I had a ferocious side in those days, I had a temper. 301 00:23:00,663 --> 00:23:03,466 I had an awful lot going on in my head, I wanted answers to everything. 302 00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,735 I spent my entire life asking why, when, 303 00:23:05,935 --> 00:23:07,803 what am I doing here, who am I? 304 00:23:07,937 --> 00:23:10,840 And I think he had a similar thing going on. 305 00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:15,878 At one stage, during the time I managed the band, 306 00:23:16,045 --> 00:23:19,482 we took a break, and it was around Philip's 21st. 307 00:23:20,483 --> 00:23:22,718 We decided we'd go to London for the holiday. 308 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:26,155 And Philip said to myself and Brian, 309 00:23:27,156 --> 00:23:30,493 "My mother says my dad works there as a barber. 310 00:23:31,494 --> 00:23:33,796 So, I'd like to see if I can find him. 311 00:23:34,864 --> 00:23:38,934 This is both a sad and funny story in a weird way. 312 00:23:39,602 --> 00:23:43,339 But anyway, we went onto the road and there were loads of barber shops 313 00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:46,509 and Philip went in and myself and Brian stayed outside. 314 00:23:47,476 --> 00:23:49,879 And Philip came out and he said, "No, no, no." 315 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:53,115 So then, we only went down about two or three shops 316 00:23:53,315 --> 00:23:54,583 and there was another barber shop 317 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:56,619 and the same thing happened: "No, no, no." 318 00:23:56,786 --> 00:23:59,388 Anyway, after about the fifth one, Philip came out 319 00:23:59,555 --> 00:24:00,923 and said, "Fuck this." 320 00:24:01,423 --> 00:24:02,591 And we just went off. 321 00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:05,561 I suppose it might've been to do with our age 322 00:24:05,694 --> 00:24:10,466 or how men maybe, or young men behaved at the time. 323 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,468 It didn't really occur to me 324 00:24:12,635 --> 00:24:16,839 that, "Oh, God, he's looking for his dad." 325 00:24:17,473 --> 00:24:20,242 Or anything like that, that was just something he was doing. 326 00:24:21,343 --> 00:24:24,880 But he just kept saying, "I'd really like to find him." 327 00:24:28,984 --> 00:24:32,388 It was like he resigned himself to it very rapidly. 328 00:24:33,189 --> 00:24:36,692 He wouldn't be the kind of person that would want to spoil our day. 329 00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,595 So, we just came out of there and we just went off. 330 00:24:39,762 --> 00:24:43,032 I think we went to Kensington Market and bought some bell bottoms. 331 00:25:36,151 --> 00:25:38,988 Even though he was an easy-going kind of bloke, 332 00:25:39,655 --> 00:25:40,990 there was a drive there 333 00:25:41,156 --> 00:25:45,828 that he'd start setting his sights on things, higher. 334 00:25:51,834 --> 00:25:54,703 He didn't wanna hang around too long around Dublin. 335 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:57,539 That guy had ambitions. 336 00:25:59,341 --> 00:26:01,644 I don't know anybody who doesn't want to move forward. 337 00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,414 In that time, most people left, and to get anywhere, you had to leave. 338 00:26:05,581 --> 00:26:07,316 There's a big wide world out there. 339 00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,385 Never mind England, there was America. 340 00:26:09,618 --> 00:26:11,120 So, no, he wanted to go. 341 00:26:11,553 --> 00:26:14,323 He wanted to record, he wanted a recording deal. 342 00:26:14,657 --> 00:26:15,958 He wasn't getting that in Ireland. 343 00:26:16,792 --> 00:26:17,993 He was on a different path, 344 00:26:18,193 --> 00:26:20,029 a path that he'd known from a young age. 345 00:26:24,633 --> 00:26:26,035 He loved Dublin. 346 00:26:26,302 --> 00:26:27,503 Dublin was home. 347 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:29,638 You know, it was where the heart is. 348 00:26:30,339 --> 00:26:32,141 He was in love with Dublin. 349 00:26:32,441 --> 00:26:34,443 He loved being a Dub. 350 00:26:36,111 --> 00:26:37,179 Up the Dubs. 351 00:26:40,382 --> 00:26:42,885 It really was an extraordinary love affair. 352 00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:51,186 How do you write that? You have to be there. 353 00:27:51,387 --> 00:27:53,422 You have to live there before you can say that. 354 00:27:54,656 --> 00:27:56,792 There's that wonderful line it where he says, 355 00:27:56,959 --> 00:27:58,627 "And that sea with blowing hair". 356 00:27:58,794 --> 00:28:02,664 You know, he just encapsulated what it was like to stand there 357 00:28:03,298 --> 00:28:08,337 and to look at this strip of land just disappear. 358 00:28:08,804 --> 00:28:12,441 And the loved ones you leave behind. 359 00:28:53,348 --> 00:28:56,718 A lot of people think we just waltzed over to England all of a sudden. 360 00:28:58,754 --> 00:29:00,055 No, it wasn't like that at all. 361 00:29:03,058 --> 00:29:05,394 We had to start from the very bottom, 362 00:29:05,861 --> 00:29:08,897 all over again, 'cause nobody knew who the freak we were. 363 00:29:10,032 --> 00:29:11,800 One of the top bands in Ireland. 364 00:29:12,201 --> 00:29:14,002 Now we'll go and conquer England. 365 00:29:15,070 --> 00:29:16,305 I don't think so. 366 00:29:16,638 --> 00:29:17,506 Thin who? 367 00:29:20,876 --> 00:29:23,278 When we got to London, there were signs saying: 368 00:29:23,412 --> 00:29:26,115 "No Irish, no Blacks, no dogs". 369 00:29:27,749 --> 00:29:30,652 There was no way that he would think because he was Black or Irish, 370 00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:33,188 he was lesser than anybody else on the planet. 371 00:29:34,323 --> 00:29:36,158 But he needed to prove it to himself. 372 00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:40,429 It was very, very difficult. 373 00:29:41,096 --> 00:29:44,233 Philip had one room in London which he shared with his girlfriend. 374 00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:46,435 I lived in this horrible attic. 375 00:29:46,902 --> 00:29:48,871 And Brian Downey had no windows. 376 00:29:49,071 --> 00:29:51,974 And a guy that made porn movies next door to him. 377 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,812 Meanwhile, back in Ireland, everybody thought we were like fucking royalty. 378 00:30:54,636 --> 00:30:57,506 I didn't know anything about them until I was 379 00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:59,541 booked as the opening act 380 00:31:00,442 --> 00:31:02,578 on Slade's first ever nationwide tour. 381 00:31:03,545 --> 00:31:05,480 That was the first time I met Phil. 382 00:31:06,014 --> 00:31:09,384 He was not in your face like he was later, not at all. 383 00:31:09,585 --> 00:31:11,987 In fact, they worked very much as a three-piece. 384 00:31:12,721 --> 00:31:15,824 At this point in time, Philip's pretty shy on stage. 385 00:31:16,225 --> 00:31:17,960 I was more out front than him. 386 00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:21,263 Maybe he was finding his feet. I know I was. 387 00:31:22,898 --> 00:31:26,301 On that tour, Thin Lizzy had a bit of hostility. 388 00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:28,237 And I remember Noddy mentioning it a few times. 389 00:31:28,437 --> 00:31:30,172 "Don't worry, doesn't mean anything. 390 00:31:30,372 --> 00:31:32,374 They're just our crazy fans and they wanna see us 391 00:31:32,541 --> 00:31:33,942 and nobody else," and blah blah. 392 00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:35,711 But that must've been hard for them. 393 00:31:36,178 --> 00:31:38,814 Phil, God love him, went up to the mic, he says, 394 00:31:39,381 --> 00:31:41,583 "For fuck's sake, give us a chance, will you?" 395 00:31:42,417 --> 00:31:44,620 And they just started: "We want Slade! 396 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,755 We want Slade! 397 00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:48,924 We want Slade!" 398 00:31:49,858 --> 00:31:52,294 And we walked into our changing room defeated. 399 00:31:53,095 --> 00:31:55,364 And, next minute, the door bangs open 400 00:31:55,564 --> 00:31:58,600 and Chas Chandler walks in, who is Slade's manager. 401 00:31:58,734 --> 00:32:01,870 But he also managed Hendrix, one of Phil's idols. 402 00:32:03,672 --> 00:32:04,973 "What was all that about? 403 00:32:05,741 --> 00:32:08,644 Listen, I'll tell you what, if yous don't get it together, 404 00:32:08,777 --> 00:32:11,513 you're off the fucking tour," and he slammed the door. 405 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,216 And Philip was like white. 406 00:32:15,517 --> 00:32:18,720 That takes a pivotal moment to push you in that spotlight. 407 00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:21,823 Maybe that toughened him up to be who he was, too. 408 00:32:22,591 --> 00:32:24,860 He had to morph into something that would make it. 409 00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:28,664 You have to find a way to get to each person in the audience. 410 00:32:30,432 --> 00:32:32,501 He was blown away by Slade. 411 00:32:33,101 --> 00:32:35,671 Every night, Philip would be standing in the wings 412 00:32:35,837 --> 00:32:38,507 watching Noddy Holder, taking it all in. 413 00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:40,575 He was learning all the time. 414 00:32:40,742 --> 00:32:43,078 That's the way he was, picking up ideas 415 00:32:43,278 --> 00:32:44,379 all over the place. 416 00:32:44,946 --> 00:32:47,783 Noddy Holder's hat had all the little mirrors on it. 417 00:32:48,884 --> 00:32:50,452 He thought that was a great idea. 418 00:32:51,787 --> 00:32:54,389 Philip came in and he said, 419 00:32:54,556 --> 00:32:55,924 "Hey, Harry, look at this." 420 00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:58,827 A mirror that you got for a budgie's cage. 421 00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:04,333 And he says, "I'm gonna shine this in all the chicks' eyes." 422 00:33:14,776 --> 00:33:18,113 He put a mirror right on his guitar, 423 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,349 which caught the spotlight, 424 00:33:20,982 --> 00:33:22,984 and he'd shine it around at the audience. 425 00:33:23,385 --> 00:33:26,555 And eye up the girls, find the really attractive ones 426 00:33:26,722 --> 00:33:28,523 in the audience and light them up. 427 00:33:28,757 --> 00:33:31,660 He'd go, "I hear some of you girls out there 428 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,662 got a little Irish in ya." 429 00:33:34,062 --> 00:33:35,364 And they'd go, "Yeah!" 430 00:33:35,497 --> 00:33:37,466 He'd go, "Would you like a little more?" 431 00:33:41,903 --> 00:33:44,072 The change was totally dramatic. 432 00:33:44,673 --> 00:33:47,175 All the poses, the trousers, the mirrors. 433 00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:50,112 He could hold the audience in the palm of his hand. 434 00:33:52,881 --> 00:33:54,916 He was born to be on stage. 435 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:56,752 He was a showman. 436 00:34:43,932 --> 00:34:46,902 You see the writing turn and the sound of the band change 437 00:34:47,068 --> 00:34:50,105 and it becomes a lot more affected by '70s glam 438 00:34:50,472 --> 00:34:53,041 and I guess that's where Philip came into his own, 439 00:34:53,175 --> 00:34:55,644 both as a songwriter and visually. 440 00:34:56,511 --> 00:34:57,879 "I am your main man. 441 00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,882 If you're looking for trouble, you don't have to go anywhere else." 442 00:35:02,584 --> 00:35:05,554 That's a great statement of bravado 443 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,924 and you have to protect that position as a man, 444 00:35:09,057 --> 00:35:10,659 if you stand up and say that. 445 00:35:10,992 --> 00:35:12,494 But it takes some balls. 446 00:35:15,497 --> 00:35:19,000 You didn't often get real introspection 447 00:35:19,401 --> 00:35:21,002 in Philip Lynott songs. 448 00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:23,638 We tended to be describing a world outside. 449 00:35:23,772 --> 00:35:25,440 He'd tend to be creating characters 450 00:35:25,574 --> 00:35:28,043 who were up to various adventures and misadventures. 451 00:35:29,110 --> 00:35:33,281 I think every writer does that, especially in the music world. 452 00:35:33,782 --> 00:35:36,351 That tenderness, that honesty, that vulnerability 453 00:35:36,518 --> 00:35:40,155 is always hidden by a big noisy band. 454 00:35:41,423 --> 00:35:45,160 And when we stand up there as big bold rock stars, 455 00:35:45,627 --> 00:35:48,063 we need some armour against the world. 456 00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,332 And it's quite hard to stand up there 457 00:35:51,633 --> 00:35:53,435 and fully reveal yourself. 458 00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:55,737 I think it may have started out as a game, 459 00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:57,639 but he actually probably did become it 460 00:35:57,772 --> 00:36:00,709 because he had to have a stage persona. 461 00:36:00,876 --> 00:36:03,144 And I think that almost became bigger than he was. 462 00:36:04,346 --> 00:36:06,348 I think the onstage Philip was the Philip 463 00:36:06,515 --> 00:36:08,083 that Philip had in his mind. 464 00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:13,154 There was this constant pulling, this to-ing and fro-ing 465 00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:15,657 between the sensitive poet 466 00:36:16,892 --> 00:36:18,693 and the rock star. 467 00:36:19,394 --> 00:36:22,397 It's just tempting to let the grr take over. 468 00:36:23,064 --> 00:36:24,099 It just is. 469 00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:37,178 Nobody knows what goes on 470 00:36:37,379 --> 00:36:38,980 when you have an ethnic difference 471 00:36:40,081 --> 00:36:42,017 because you're taking blows all the time, 472 00:36:42,183 --> 00:36:43,718 you just let 'em wash off. 473 00:36:44,452 --> 00:36:46,855 Trust me, there were people saying stuff to this guy 474 00:36:47,022 --> 00:36:48,423 that was hurting him to his core. 475 00:37:10,011 --> 00:37:12,514 In the early days, with Philip in Ireland, 476 00:37:12,914 --> 00:37:14,583 if you went into an ordinary shop, 477 00:37:15,183 --> 00:37:18,186 it was a bit like a cowboy movie when the piano player'd stop. 478 00:37:19,621 --> 00:37:20,822 And everybody'd go... 479 00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:24,492 Because they'd never really seen a Black person before. 480 00:37:35,704 --> 00:37:39,107 I think being Black fuelled his ambition. 481 00:37:39,874 --> 00:37:41,176 It sort of gave him an edge. 482 00:37:42,043 --> 00:37:43,478 Boy, did it give him an edge. 483 00:37:53,421 --> 00:37:56,758 There was a very big moment when the decision was, 484 00:37:56,891 --> 00:37:58,593 if you like, forced on the band, 485 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,963 that "Whiskey in the Jar" should be the single. 486 00:38:10,972 --> 00:38:12,073 It was a folk song. 487 00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:17,312 Our manager said, "What was that you were playing 488 00:38:17,479 --> 00:38:18,813 just before I came in?" 489 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,815 And we're looking at him like, "What? 490 00:38:21,383 --> 00:38:23,818 Only messing about with "Whiskey in the Jar'." 491 00:38:24,753 --> 00:38:27,188 And he says, "I think you have a hit there." 492 00:38:27,956 --> 00:38:29,724 We were gonna throw him out the window. 493 00:38:29,858 --> 00:38:33,061 "You want us to record an Irish folk song 494 00:38:33,495 --> 00:38:36,197 and we left Ireland to get away from this music." 495 00:38:37,265 --> 00:38:39,501 In those sort of magic moments 496 00:38:39,668 --> 00:38:41,870 where someone makes the right decision, 497 00:38:42,037 --> 00:38:43,672 people's lives are transformed. 498 00:38:44,139 --> 00:38:47,642 We thought, as a laugh, for all our supporters back in Ireland, 499 00:38:47,842 --> 00:38:49,778 we'd send up the whole singles thing 500 00:38:49,944 --> 00:38:51,479 by doing a rocked-up version. 501 00:38:51,613 --> 00:38:53,014 So, it was a bit of a joke. 502 00:38:57,018 --> 00:38:58,820 And to get us on the way, we've got a band. 503 00:38:58,987 --> 00:39:00,522 They're by the name of Thin Lizzy. 504 00:39:00,655 --> 00:39:03,958 They don't drink whiskey by the glass, they drink it by the jar. 505 00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:16,304 And all of a sudden, 506 00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:18,840 we're on Top of the Pops. 507 00:39:21,342 --> 00:39:22,744 I was like, "Huh?" 508 00:39:31,352 --> 00:39:34,189 In those days, if you were on Top of the Pops, man, 509 00:39:34,456 --> 00:39:35,590 you had it made. 510 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,662 Fu... My heart was... sorry. 511 00:40:14,896 --> 00:40:17,398 My heart was thumping out with excitement 512 00:40:17,532 --> 00:40:19,934 and, you know, I'm looking around. 513 00:40:30,779 --> 00:40:33,915 It is one of those songs that, even if you don't know it, 514 00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:37,018 it makes you happy, it makes you bounce, just gets you going. 515 00:40:40,188 --> 00:40:42,023 We thought "Whiskey in the Jar" was terrible. 516 00:40:43,391 --> 00:40:45,693 And so did everybody, really. 517 00:40:47,762 --> 00:40:51,266 It was so un-them when they had original music. 518 00:40:51,466 --> 00:40:53,067 But it was a breakthrough, So, hey. 519 00:40:53,601 --> 00:40:54,702 You can't knock it. 520 00:40:55,436 --> 00:40:56,671 But anyway, that took off. 521 00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:02,110 And, you know, he probably spent the rest of his life 522 00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:03,878 trying not to play it. 523 00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:06,614 It was opening doors 524 00:41:06,781 --> 00:41:10,552 that had been firmly bolted and padlocked before that. 525 00:41:10,752 --> 00:41:12,520 "Whiskey in the Jar? 526 00:41:12,654 --> 00:41:13,721 "Whiskey in the Jar? 527 00:41:13,855 --> 00:41:15,323 "Whiskey in the Jar? 528 00:41:15,456 --> 00:41:18,159 Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Germany, 529 00:41:18,359 --> 00:41:19,694 a little bit in France, 530 00:41:19,861 --> 00:41:22,230 we just played ceaselessly, 531 00:41:22,597 --> 00:41:25,667 week after week after week after week after week. 532 00:41:31,439 --> 00:41:33,174 I was slowly cracking up. 533 00:41:34,509 --> 00:41:37,345 Here I am, in a band that I was so proud of. 534 00:41:37,912 --> 00:41:40,515 And we had to mime on all these TV shows. 535 00:41:40,882 --> 00:41:43,518 So, you start wondering why you're doing it. 536 00:41:44,919 --> 00:41:48,156 I started getting very drunk because all I'm doing is miming. 537 00:41:50,825 --> 00:41:53,995 Apart from all this, my personal life was going to shit. 538 00:41:56,798 --> 00:41:59,300 The whole thing started slowly crumbling to a halt. 539 00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:15,016 Out on stage that night I was, like... 540 00:42:16,117 --> 00:42:17,752 I shouldn't have been on stage. 541 00:42:18,553 --> 00:42:19,921 I looked out in the audience 542 00:42:20,054 --> 00:42:22,357 and people looking at me trying to play the guitar 543 00:42:22,523 --> 00:42:24,759 which was impossible at that point in time. 544 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,962 And this voice just said, "You've gotta get out." 545 00:42:29,397 --> 00:42:30,598 And before I knew it, 546 00:42:32,133 --> 00:42:34,502 I got my guitar and I threw it up in the air 547 00:42:36,704 --> 00:42:40,475 and it's weird 'cause you remember that moment. 548 00:42:42,944 --> 00:42:44,312 Here it comes. 549 00:42:46,147 --> 00:42:48,116 Smack into the stage. 550 00:42:51,452 --> 00:42:52,553 That was it. 551 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,122 The end of me and Lizzy. 552 00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:55,623 It was over. 553 00:43:08,603 --> 00:43:11,773 You have a reset in the spring of 1974. 554 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,441 And it starts all over again. 555 00:43:20,748 --> 00:43:22,583 Being in a band is just like being in life. 556 00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:25,186 Things don't look like you're ever gonna be able to get out 557 00:43:25,386 --> 00:43:27,121 of that black hole and all of a sudden 558 00:43:27,322 --> 00:43:28,523 bang, you're out of the black hole 559 00:43:28,656 --> 00:43:31,059 and you're off on a new golden run, if you will. 560 00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:34,062 The management said it would be worth our while 561 00:43:34,228 --> 00:43:37,398 fo keep the name and to try and find replacements. 562 00:43:37,732 --> 00:43:39,467 We started from scratch, 563 00:43:39,634 --> 00:43:42,537 we started playing all the small venues and building it up. 564 00:43:44,939 --> 00:43:47,909 We get to this first show and there was literally 565 00:43:48,443 --> 00:43:51,079 more bouncers than there were paying customers. 566 00:43:52,113 --> 00:43:54,415 "One, two, three, four, vaaanngg," the kids say, 567 00:43:54,582 --> 00:43:56,851 and Phil starts jumping all over the place. 568 00:43:57,318 --> 00:43:59,354 Brian Robertson's going crazy on my right 569 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,789 and Downey's getting a lot more animated, 570 00:44:01,956 --> 00:44:03,391 I'm going, "What the fuck, man?" 571 00:44:04,959 --> 00:44:07,028 Phil kept looking over his shoulder at me. 572 00:44:07,295 --> 00:44:09,864 "Get... Come on!" I'm going... 573 00:44:10,331 --> 00:44:11,632 "Get... Get..." 574 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,035 He stopped playing the bass, walked over, 575 00:44:14,202 --> 00:44:16,571 grabbed me by the collar, dragged me over the front 576 00:44:16,738 --> 00:44:19,440 and goes, "Bang. Don't fuckin' move from there." 577 00:44:20,742 --> 00:44:21,576 "OK." 578 00:44:22,443 --> 00:44:24,412 Going from a three-piece to a four-piece, 579 00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:26,881 things did change because they naturally do. 580 00:44:27,148 --> 00:44:29,751 But it wasn't a change for the worse, it was just a change. 581 00:44:30,318 --> 00:44:32,587 This is it. Year zero begins now. 582 00:44:33,021 --> 00:44:35,423 Let's sweep away the old and let's see what we can do. 583 00:44:40,828 --> 00:44:43,898 When we get into the studio, the producer kept going, 584 00:44:44,065 --> 00:44:47,335 "Yeah, can you just turn that down a little bit? Yeah." 585 00:44:47,502 --> 00:44:49,971 "Yeah, just turn it down a little more." 586 00:44:50,304 --> 00:44:51,439 "Uh, OK." 587 00:44:52,507 --> 00:44:54,509 You know, I call it our cocktail album. 588 00:44:55,343 --> 00:44:57,378 "I say, would you like a highball? 589 00:44:57,945 --> 00:44:59,680 Put on that Thin Lizzy album." 590 00:45:35,183 --> 00:45:37,151 Anyway, we digress. 591 00:45:46,661 --> 00:45:48,062 Thin Lizzy never had 592 00:45:48,229 --> 00:45:51,999 a completely consistent recording sound. 593 00:45:53,935 --> 00:45:55,503 It started with that first album 594 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:58,439 and it was the same attitude to the last album. 595 00:45:58,573 --> 00:46:00,074 We wrote what we wrote 596 00:46:00,241 --> 00:46:02,477 and it's gonna come out as it's gonna come out. 597 00:46:07,081 --> 00:46:08,583 There was the possibility here 598 00:46:08,749 --> 00:46:10,418 of doing something unique 599 00:46:10,585 --> 00:46:13,554 by combining the talents of two complementary 600 00:46:13,721 --> 00:46:15,723 but distinctive guitar players. 601 00:46:20,194 --> 00:46:21,896 The harmony guitar thing. 602 00:46:23,998 --> 00:46:26,601 It was like a mistake that happened in the studio. 603 00:46:27,435 --> 00:46:30,905 Brian had gone out just to record a single line. 604 00:46:31,572 --> 00:46:35,276 And the engineer had left this echo on. 605 00:46:35,977 --> 00:46:37,879 So, when it fed back on itself, 606 00:46:38,146 --> 00:46:39,714 it fed back in harmony. 607 00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:42,383 And, we came back into the studio, 608 00:46:42,617 --> 00:46:43,985 "Yeah, it sounds pretty cool." 609 00:46:44,318 --> 00:46:47,021 After a while, it just became this natural thing. 610 00:46:47,421 --> 00:46:49,724 Twin harmony Thin Lizzy sound. 611 00:46:51,792 --> 00:46:54,061 So, for the first number, 612 00:46:54,295 --> 00:46:56,797 can the people in the front row stay a bit back? 613 00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:59,700 And we'll let the show commence. Here we go. 614 00:47:00,301 --> 00:47:01,836 Two, three, four! 615 00:47:03,171 --> 00:47:04,572 By that stage, 616 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:09,110 Philip had developed the confidence as a frontman 617 00:47:09,744 --> 00:47:13,114 to step out and establish himself 618 00:47:13,347 --> 00:47:16,317 as the focal point while also being part of 619 00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:18,352 that rock and roll gang. 620 00:47:19,854 --> 00:47:21,856 His image was everything at that point. 621 00:47:22,156 --> 00:47:23,191 Everything. 622 00:47:23,391 --> 00:47:24,659 I could be in and out of the bathroom 623 00:47:24,825 --> 00:47:26,427 and all the rest of it in record time, 624 00:47:26,594 --> 00:47:29,664 and he'd still be deciding what scarf went with the ouffit. 625 00:47:29,864 --> 00:47:33,034 You'll never see a bad photo of Phil Lynott. Damn! 626 00:47:33,601 --> 00:47:36,003 That guy could put on anything and look great, 627 00:47:36,137 --> 00:47:37,772 then he'd go, "Here, you try it on." 628 00:47:37,939 --> 00:47:40,341 You try it on, look in the mirror, and you look like a clown. 629 00:47:40,875 --> 00:47:42,543 Over the years, Lizzy did daft things 630 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:44,512 like the cover of the "Fighting" album. 631 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,715 And there was all sorts of cartoon posing. 632 00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:52,220 We are anything but hard-looking men in this photograph. 633 00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:53,454 Come on! 634 00:47:55,389 --> 00:47:57,658 We brought in a make-up artist to make it look like 635 00:47:57,825 --> 00:48:00,394 we'd just been in a really ass-kicking gang war. 636 00:48:00,761 --> 00:48:03,831 And Phil got a little bit of blood down here. 637 00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:07,101 Robertson was, like, bit of a shiner there. 638 00:48:07,301 --> 00:48:09,003 I said, "Oh, man, I want... 639 00:48:09,403 --> 00:48:11,706 Make it look like my nose has just been ripped off 640 00:48:11,872 --> 00:48:13,140 and a huge hunk of flesh here 641 00:48:13,341 --> 00:48:16,177 and I want blood everywhere coming down." 642 00:48:16,377 --> 00:48:17,778 Phil's going, "No, no, no." 643 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:20,514 This has gotta be cool. 644 00:48:20,681 --> 00:48:22,917 We don't wanna look like we got our arses kicked. 645 00:48:24,385 --> 00:48:26,754 We've gotta make sure it looks like we won the fight. 646 00:48:27,755 --> 00:48:31,058 We win! We're the winners, man. We kicked their arse. 647 00:49:18,906 --> 00:49:20,641 The problem about going on about Philo 648 00:49:20,775 --> 00:49:23,144 is that sometimes you miss just how good he was. 649 00:49:23,744 --> 00:49:25,179 How good a bass player he was. 650 00:49:25,479 --> 00:49:26,814 How good with words he was. 651 00:49:27,748 --> 00:49:30,117 And how good a singer he was, you know. 652 00:49:30,584 --> 00:49:33,821 I mean, he delivered those songs with... 653 00:49:37,058 --> 00:49:38,559 in a way that you believed him. 654 00:49:42,697 --> 00:49:45,066 Two, three, four! 655 00:50:00,815 --> 00:50:03,651 At this point, we had our own little flat and it was lovely. 656 00:50:04,051 --> 00:50:06,320 That was probably the happiest time. 657 00:50:06,454 --> 00:50:08,456 The honeymoon love story bit, you know. 658 00:50:08,622 --> 00:50:12,460 And then from there, it was probably a car crash waiting to happen. 659 00:51:07,014 --> 00:51:08,582 Towards the end, I realised 660 00:51:08,749 --> 00:51:10,918 that this is just the most ludicrous situation. 661 00:51:13,254 --> 00:51:14,388 I was very naive. 662 00:51:15,055 --> 00:51:18,492 But I had this notion that all he needed was somebody to be true. 663 00:51:19,393 --> 00:51:21,395 To prove that you could trust people. 664 00:51:22,663 --> 00:51:24,231 Take me out and shoot me, honestly. 665 00:51:28,602 --> 00:51:30,738 The periods of being away got longer and longer 666 00:51:31,071 --> 00:51:33,140 and then I get the phone calls. 667 00:51:34,108 --> 00:51:35,743 And his jealousy started. 668 00:51:37,311 --> 00:51:39,580 He was feeling bad about his behaviour 669 00:51:39,814 --> 00:51:42,216 and he had to dump it on somebody else. 670 00:51:46,554 --> 00:51:48,122 It was attack as a form of defence. 671 00:51:54,361 --> 00:51:55,296 Brian. 672 00:51:58,065 --> 00:52:01,469 I had never once betrayed him in any shape or fashion 673 00:52:01,669 --> 00:52:02,903 in six years. 674 00:52:05,272 --> 00:52:07,775 I did love him and I believe he did love me. 675 00:52:09,076 --> 00:52:11,345 I always believe that it was his insecurities. 676 00:52:11,612 --> 00:52:14,982 He was continually waiting for life to be torn apart 677 00:52:15,149 --> 00:52:16,750 or to be betrayed. 678 00:53:17,077 --> 00:53:19,713 It is the ultimate form of connection. 679 00:53:21,148 --> 00:53:24,184 He's speaking like he knows this, this isn't just a story. 680 00:53:25,986 --> 00:53:29,523 He'd bring you to a place and you would stop judgement right then. 681 00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:36,297 The part that I identified with Phil was his darkness. 682 00:53:38,933 --> 00:53:41,635 You find a place to get what you need out. 683 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:46,840 I always like the anti-hero, I always thought that was very important. 684 00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:49,543 The clean-cut always gave me a chill. 685 00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:52,980 I much prefer my heroes fo be a little human. 686 00:53:58,218 --> 00:54:01,922 Jailbreak! Jailbreak! Jailbreak! 687 00:54:02,823 --> 00:54:05,459 The "Nightlife" album didn't sell anything! 688 00:54:05,893 --> 00:54:07,995 The "Fighting" album didn't sell anything! 689 00:54:09,496 --> 00:54:11,699 It has to hit on the third album 690 00:54:11,865 --> 00:54:14,668 or you're warming up the car and you're leaving the building. 691 00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:17,071 "What?" 692 00:54:17,571 --> 00:54:18,672 So, the pressure's on. 693 00:54:19,573 --> 00:54:21,675 And we gave it one hell of a shot 694 00:54:21,842 --> 00:54:23,277 on the writing side of it. 695 00:54:25,546 --> 00:54:27,915 Backstage, Louisville, Kentucky. 696 00:54:28,415 --> 00:54:30,951 Chris O'Donnell, our manager, walks in and says, "Well, boys, 697 00:54:31,785 --> 00:54:33,921 looks like we got a hit record on our hands." 698 00:54:34,054 --> 00:54:35,756 We all went, "What song?" 699 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:37,758 He goes, "It's "The Boys are Back in Town'." 700 00:54:37,891 --> 00:54:39,259 We're like, "Really?" 701 00:54:42,096 --> 00:54:43,931 Even after we finished the song, 702 00:54:44,098 --> 00:54:47,134 we still didn't think of this as single material. 703 00:54:47,735 --> 00:54:48,836 Of course, I do now. 704 00:54:49,136 --> 00:54:50,838 It's the most fabulous song ever. 705 00:55:24,738 --> 00:55:26,540 That was like a bolt of lightning. 706 00:55:26,774 --> 00:55:27,875 What is that? 707 00:55:28,842 --> 00:55:31,111 It's like the ultimate lads anthem. 708 00:55:32,379 --> 00:55:33,547 It is timeless. 709 00:55:33,781 --> 00:55:36,517 Every generation relates to that song. 710 00:55:37,117 --> 00:55:39,119 One of the great rock songs of all time. 711 00:56:04,111 --> 00:56:05,112 It was cinematic. 712 00:56:05,512 --> 00:56:06,547 And that was Philip. 713 00:56:06,714 --> 00:56:07,981 He saw things as a movie, 714 00:56:08,148 --> 00:56:11,819 complete with settings and lights, wardrobe and everything. 715 00:56:12,619 --> 00:56:13,987 He could paint that picture. 716 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:23,497 And finally, we had a bona fide hit record in America, 717 00:56:23,731 --> 00:56:26,066 which made life so much easier. 718 00:56:30,971 --> 00:56:33,173 I really doubt if Phil just went... 719 00:56:33,874 --> 00:56:35,909 "I'm gonna write "The Boys are Back in Town' today. 720 00:56:36,076 --> 00:56:38,078 It's gonna be a belter, it's gonna make us massive." 721 00:56:38,212 --> 00:56:39,346 He didn't do that. 722 00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:41,582 I wrote by hook or by crook, 723 00:56:41,749 --> 00:56:43,851 like, there can come many a good song 724 00:56:44,017 --> 00:56:47,354 in the toilet in the bath, or, you know. 725 00:56:47,588 --> 00:56:50,023 At one stage, it was called "GI Joe is Back? 726 00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:52,960 [t took me ages just to think of the boys' though. 727 00:56:53,093 --> 00:56:54,895 I was thinking the kids the lads' 728 00:56:55,162 --> 00:56:58,532 Somebody said �the boys' and I went, "That's it, 'The boys are back"." 729 00:56:58,699 --> 00:57:00,868 You just change a word. It made the song. 730 00:57:07,641 --> 00:57:09,810 All these other bands, you know, big bands, 731 00:57:09,977 --> 00:57:13,313 they wanted us on their tour 'cause now we could sell tickets. 732 00:57:13,881 --> 00:57:16,216 That's what a big hit record will do for you. 733 00:57:16,617 --> 00:57:18,919 You can actually feel and see the climb. 734 00:57:19,653 --> 00:57:21,922 It just takes one, and you're off and running. 735 00:57:22,055 --> 00:57:23,190 You're out of the blocks. 736 00:57:24,591 --> 00:57:28,462 Philip was definitely tailoring the band towards an American audience. 737 00:57:29,062 --> 00:57:31,465 It's all Americanisms in the songs. 738 00:57:32,633 --> 00:57:35,435 Phil grew up on American television. 739 00:57:35,803 --> 00:57:37,638 It always looked really sunny all the time 740 00:57:37,771 --> 00:57:40,707 and palm trees and girls walking around in bikinis 741 00:57:40,874 --> 00:57:42,543 and all the flash cars. 742 00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:44,378 It looks like paradise. 743 00:57:44,945 --> 00:57:46,947 And Phil was a romantic anyway. 744 00:58:09,336 --> 00:58:10,938 I think America was everything 745 00:58:11,104 --> 00:58:12,639 he was expecting it to be. 746 00:58:12,773 --> 00:58:15,943 He fell in love with the whole idea of America. 747 00:58:16,476 --> 00:58:18,912 He could not get enough of touring in America. 748 00:58:19,179 --> 00:58:22,549 "I want to experience this, I want to taste it, I want to feel it." 749 00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:23,951 And, boy, did he! 750 00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:12,666 This was our time to break America. 751 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,068 What could go wrong, right? 752 00:59:16,904 --> 00:59:19,973 He had real bad luck here in America �cause he got hepatitis. 753 00:59:20,307 --> 00:59:23,710 And they had to cancel that first tour, The Boys are Back in Town Tour. 754 00:59:27,414 --> 00:59:31,251 That was it, the tour was over with. Just in a blink of an eye. 755 00:59:39,192 --> 00:59:41,895 In August, he was in the studio recording a new album. 756 00:59:42,229 --> 00:59:44,231 And, if you take into account "Jailbreak", 757 00:59:44,431 --> 00:59:46,733 then "Johnny the Fox" and "Bad Reputation?, 758 00:59:47,301 --> 00:59:48,702 you've three albums out 759 00:59:48,902 --> 00:59:51,471 within a period, roughly, of fourteen months. 760 00:59:58,078 --> 01:00:01,381 The confidence that would've given Phil would've been immense. 761 01:00:27,507 --> 01:00:31,611 They now knew they were really good. 762 01:00:32,346 --> 01:00:34,748 And every time they stepped up on stage, 763 01:00:34,915 --> 01:00:38,418 they were confident that the audience was theirs for the taking. 764 01:00:40,387 --> 01:00:42,122 I could see these flashy lights. 765 01:00:42,456 --> 01:00:45,025 And a big orange light going... 766 01:00:45,192 --> 01:00:46,226 And then there was... 767 01:00:49,096 --> 01:00:52,199 And then the big spotlight, and he came out, 768 01:00:52,466 --> 01:00:55,268 "Tonight there's going to be a jailbreak". 769 01:00:55,435 --> 01:00:59,106 And, oh, Jesus, the hair on my neck stood up! 770 01:00:59,473 --> 01:01:00,307 Gol 771 01:01:03,076 --> 01:01:04,378 Are you out there? 772 01:01:07,314 --> 01:01:09,549 What always struck me about "Jailbreak" was, 773 01:01:09,916 --> 01:01:13,120 "Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak somewhere in the town". 774 01:01:14,121 --> 01:01:15,722 Like the jail, perhaps? 775 01:01:16,857 --> 01:01:17,891 I mean, that's... 776 01:01:19,026 --> 01:01:20,961 And, for years, I never noticed that. 777 01:01:21,795 --> 01:01:22,896 It didn't matter. 778 01:01:23,497 --> 01:01:26,299 That's a high energy song just for a certain point in the gig. 779 01:01:26,466 --> 01:01:27,834 It's gonna lift everything up. 780 01:01:44,551 --> 01:01:45,919 I gotta tell you one story: 781 01:01:46,053 --> 01:01:48,555 we were playing the Santa Monica Civic in Los Angeles 782 01:01:48,722 --> 01:01:50,791 and walked out, hit the first chord. 783 01:01:51,992 --> 01:01:55,062 The audience up and there's like a sea of hands 784 01:01:55,295 --> 01:01:57,664 and I'm shaking a few hands and I look down. 785 01:01:57,831 --> 01:01:59,666 And who do I see? My mum. 786 01:02:01,101 --> 01:02:02,903 I'm going, "Mum, what are you doing?" 787 01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:46,146 Philip was always the consummate performer. 788 01:02:46,346 --> 01:02:48,181 He was brilliant to watch. 789 01:02:48,882 --> 01:02:51,651 Scott and Brian could've been running up and down the stage, 790 01:02:51,818 --> 01:02:54,654 jumping on monitors and doing pointing, 791 01:02:54,821 --> 01:02:56,356 doing all of this stuff, 792 01:02:57,190 --> 01:03:00,427 but Philip was the one who grabbed your attention 793 01:03:00,660 --> 01:03:02,829 �cause he demanded your attention. 794 01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:08,635 Everything moved on its axis a little bit when you discovered Philip. 795 01:03:09,202 --> 01:03:10,770 It was life-changing in a good way. 796 01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:16,576 I'd gone in there in a brown cardigan and I'd come out in a leather jacket. 797 01:03:18,078 --> 01:03:20,747 How could this guy be Irish? How could he be from Crumlin? 798 01:03:21,348 --> 01:03:23,083 There are new possibilities here now. 799 01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,318 Things aren't as dull as they seem. 800 01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:32,292 That was their prime, they rocked so hard. 801 01:03:32,792 --> 01:03:35,262 Thin Lizzy in their prime were probably the best hard rock band 802 01:03:35,428 --> 01:03:37,197 I've ever seen in my life, bar none. 803 01:03:48,508 --> 01:03:49,342 Thank you! 804 01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:53,413 It seemed that everything we put out was a hit. 805 01:03:56,650 --> 01:03:58,785 Phil just could... There's another hit. 806 01:03:58,952 --> 01:04:00,520 There's another hit. Bastard. 807 01:04:04,291 --> 01:04:05,292 Sorry. 808 01:04:51,871 --> 01:04:53,773 I got a phone call from Philip. 809 01:04:53,974 --> 01:04:56,543 He goes, "I'm in a recording studio in London. 810 01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:57,944 I'm really busy. 811 01:04:58,144 --> 01:05:00,747 If ever I needed your help, I need it now." 812 01:05:01,414 --> 01:05:04,351 And I said, "Well, fine, yeah, what's up?" 813 01:05:04,818 --> 01:05:07,954 And he said, "l have a new girlfriend called Caroline. 814 01:05:08,121 --> 01:05:11,024 And things are really taking off over here. 815 01:05:11,291 --> 01:05:13,560 I can't think of anyone else who I'd ask, only you." 816 01:05:15,662 --> 01:05:18,898 So, I was more or less on the next plane, as they say. 817 01:05:30,810 --> 01:05:31,978 I was eighteen. 818 01:05:34,014 --> 01:05:37,817 I met Philip because I was working for Tony Brainsby PR 819 01:05:38,051 --> 01:05:40,620 and Thin Lizzy were a part of the roster of clients. 820 01:05:42,722 --> 01:05:46,159 The first encounter I had with him was over the phone. 821 01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:49,996 And he had an absolutely beautiful, 822 01:05:50,130 --> 01:05:51,931 deep, soft-spoken voice. 823 01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:56,569 He always sounded like he was in bed when he was talking to you, 824 01:05:56,736 --> 01:05:58,905 which I later discovered he generally was. 825 01:06:00,774 --> 01:06:02,442 He had a great sense of humour. 826 01:06:02,942 --> 01:06:06,613 He liked to tease you with a mixture of innuendo 827 01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:08,214 and misunderstanding. 828 01:06:08,481 --> 01:06:12,419 And then, when you were all confused, 829 01:06:12,585 --> 01:06:14,587 he would laugh, 830 01:06:14,754 --> 01:06:18,191 and it was just delightful. 831 01:06:19,759 --> 01:06:21,895 So, I was already partly in love with him 832 01:06:22,062 --> 01:06:23,396 before I even met him. 833 01:06:27,434 --> 01:06:30,136 I went to see them perform at Hammersmith Odeon 834 01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:36,676 and, wow, oh my God, he was just mind-blowing. 835 01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:38,511 I was just... Yeah. 836 01:06:39,379 --> 01:06:40,480 Hooked. 837 01:06:42,482 --> 01:06:46,353 I was quite wild and we just became a pair. 838 01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:48,355 There were no conversations about it, 839 01:06:48,521 --> 01:06:51,191 I just kind of got absorbed into his life. 840 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,427 The life of a working musician. 841 01:07:03,636 --> 01:07:05,939 Once you plug into an amplifier, 842 01:07:06,306 --> 01:07:08,241 it definitely gives you power. 843 01:07:08,541 --> 01:07:11,778 There's no point in having a fast car and not driving it fast, 844 01:07:11,945 --> 01:07:15,582 and there's no point in having a loud amplifier and not turning it up. 845 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,755 All of a sudden, "Live and Dangerous", 846 01:07:55,922 --> 01:07:58,091 one of the great live albums of all time, 847 01:07:58,625 --> 01:08:00,160 they were on fire. 848 01:08:05,398 --> 01:08:08,134 The world-renowned Tony Visconti, record producer, 849 01:08:08,334 --> 01:08:10,236 made the record sound like you were sitting 850 01:08:10,437 --> 01:08:11,905 in the best seat in the house. 851 01:08:12,071 --> 01:08:15,475 One of the things we did was enhance the audience. 852 01:08:16,176 --> 01:08:19,412 And we'd made basically a huge tape loop of audience. 853 01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:22,582 But it was several audiences layered on top of each other. 854 01:08:23,950 --> 01:08:26,820 And this tape literally going around mic stands 855 01:08:26,986 --> 01:08:28,354 right the way round the room. 856 01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:32,659 We took the Lizzy audiences, and, 857 01:08:34,227 --> 01:08:37,063 to be honest, some of David Bowie's "Philadelphia" audience, 858 01:08:37,263 --> 01:08:40,233 and put it all together to make the biggest audience in the world. 859 01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:42,635 And when you wanted some audience, 860 01:08:42,802 --> 01:08:47,307 you could at any time just push these two faders up and it's like: Whoa! 861 01:08:48,875 --> 01:08:50,543 And that sounds like an audience. 862 01:08:56,182 --> 01:08:57,917 He was actually a shy man. 863 01:08:58,184 --> 01:09:00,153 But when he was performing, 864 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,355 all of that shyness was gone. 865 01:09:03,790 --> 01:09:06,059 He really did walk down the road with swagger. 866 01:09:11,865 --> 01:09:15,101 A lot of my job was getting them out of trouble 867 01:09:15,535 --> 01:09:16,936 and it was also pretty normal 868 01:09:17,103 --> 01:09:20,340 because if you worked with rock stars in that era, 869 01:09:20,874 --> 01:09:23,309 everybody was out there drinking, partying, 870 01:09:23,476 --> 01:09:25,678 and Thin Lizzy had that reputation. 871 01:09:26,312 --> 01:09:28,748 Guys in a posse together, getting up to no good, 872 01:09:28,915 --> 01:09:30,149 and celebrating it. 873 01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:32,018 And that's what Philip and the guys, 874 01:09:32,218 --> 01:09:35,555 particularly Philip, thought his job was. 875 01:09:38,758 --> 01:09:43,129 He was a man of many facets and many moods. 876 01:09:44,097 --> 01:09:45,832 There was the friend, 877 01:09:46,499 --> 01:09:47,667 the businessman, 878 01:09:48,301 --> 01:09:49,502 the performer, 879 01:09:50,036 --> 01:09:54,574 that muscle was always operating. 880 01:09:57,176 --> 01:09:59,479 He kept people on their toes as well as himself. 881 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,582 Prolific and creative, 882 01:10:02,749 --> 01:10:05,652 and that was brilliant when it was all working. 883 01:10:05,985 --> 01:10:07,921 Yeah, just take it from the bridge, man. 884 01:10:08,721 --> 01:10:11,658 Everything from top to bottom was scrutinised. 885 01:10:12,425 --> 01:10:14,994 It wasn't just Phil the rock star, "Yeah, party!" 886 01:10:15,862 --> 01:10:17,630 People had that impression of him. 887 01:10:18,598 --> 01:10:21,034 But no, he was a very hard grafter. 888 01:10:26,372 --> 01:10:28,374 The most amazing thing about Phil Lynott is 889 01:10:28,541 --> 01:10:29,809 I've never met anyone 890 01:10:30,176 --> 01:10:31,611 who could party that hard, 891 01:10:31,911 --> 01:10:34,414 and at the same time never ever gave an inch 892 01:10:34,581 --> 01:10:35,782 as far as quality and work. 893 01:10:36,616 --> 01:10:38,785 You weren't around him if you weren't working. 894 01:10:40,753 --> 01:10:41,921 He was very canny. 895 01:10:42,388 --> 01:10:43,856 And he had a business head on him. 896 01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:46,426 He was clever, he could suss things out, 897 01:10:46,593 --> 01:10:49,562 he would keep quiet on stuff but it would be read and noted. 898 01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:52,832 He knew what he wanted. 899 01:10:53,499 --> 01:10:55,702 Philip controlled every aspect of Lizzy, 900 01:10:55,868 --> 01:10:57,704 from the music to their look, 901 01:10:57,870 --> 01:11:00,440 to the way they were perceived as a band. 902 01:11:02,342 --> 01:11:03,610 It's a dumb phrase 903 01:11:03,776 --> 01:11:06,079 but I guess he was the emotional cheerleader. 904 01:11:10,183 --> 01:11:12,852 And then all the guitarist changing went on. 905 01:11:13,353 --> 01:11:15,955 It was like one big long soap opera 906 01:11:16,322 --> 01:11:18,591 with guys falling in and out and Gary Moore coming in 907 01:11:18,758 --> 01:11:20,193 to replace Brian Robertson. 908 01:11:20,593 --> 01:11:23,930 Gary was in, Gary was out. Gary was in, Gary was out. 909 01:11:24,797 --> 01:11:27,600 But, for the most part, we were living the life. 910 01:11:28,101 --> 01:11:30,570 One of the big guns, no doubt about that. 911 01:11:32,372 --> 01:11:34,040 We were on top of the world. 912 01:11:35,341 --> 01:11:36,509 There's nothing like it. 913 01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:39,746 Every album we brought out was instantly gold 914 01:11:39,912 --> 01:11:41,280 and then it would go platinum. 915 01:11:42,315 --> 01:11:43,549 Life was good. 916 01:11:43,783 --> 01:11:45,518 How could you not have fun with that, right? 917 01:12:02,869 --> 01:12:03,703 Thank you! 918 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,775 If I don't get back fo Dublin within three months, 919 01:12:09,108 --> 01:12:11,010 I really suffer from homesickness. 920 01:12:13,146 --> 01:12:15,148 Ireland was very significant to him. 921 01:12:15,581 --> 01:12:19,152 He was a proud Irishman, he was a proud Dubliner, 922 01:12:19,552 --> 01:12:23,089 and that really comes through, that came through in every show he did, 923 01:12:23,289 --> 01:12:26,192 it came through in all of his works. 924 01:12:45,611 --> 01:12:48,514 Phil was an Irishman. Period. 925 01:12:49,582 --> 01:12:52,452 Phil's almost more Irish than any other Irishman I ever met. 926 01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:55,988 We would go into a radio station, 927 01:12:56,155 --> 01:12:57,857 we're publicising this new album 928 01:12:58,024 --> 01:12:59,859 and some disc jockey 929 01:13:00,059 --> 01:13:05,832 inevitably would say something very dumb about Ireland 930 01:13:05,998 --> 01:13:08,434 or he was just naive, ignorant, right? 931 01:13:08,668 --> 01:13:12,472 He would say something and Phil would go, "Whoa! Hold on a second here." 932 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:16,743 From that point on, the whole interview turned into an Irish lesson 933 01:13:16,909 --> 01:13:18,411 for this guy on air. 934 01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,414 Coming from England. The Stones... 935 01:13:21,581 --> 01:13:23,716 -Ireland. Ireland. -Or Ireland. 936 01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:24,917 Irish. 937 01:13:25,718 --> 01:13:27,920 Ah, yes, you sound like a British person. 938 01:13:28,054 --> 01:13:30,056 No, I'm just teasing. 939 01:13:30,223 --> 01:13:32,492 Irish. I'm Irish, you've got to get that right. 940 01:13:32,658 --> 01:13:34,026 Well, Great Britain, British. 941 01:13:34,193 --> 01:13:36,796 No. Irish, Republic of Ireland. 942 01:13:36,929 --> 01:13:39,098 - My goodness. - There you go. 943 01:13:39,432 --> 01:13:40,633 Very important. 944 01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:45,571 Within a year, 945 01:13:46,139 --> 01:13:47,774 it was all change. 946 01:13:48,541 --> 01:13:50,143 And I was a mum. 947 01:13:54,881 --> 01:13:56,783 He wanted his children born in Ireland. 948 01:13:57,150 --> 01:13:58,451 That's how Irish he was. 949 01:13:59,919 --> 01:14:01,254 Caroline had to come home 950 01:14:01,420 --> 01:14:03,156 and have the children in Holles Street. 951 01:14:08,795 --> 01:14:12,098 He'd decided that Sarah was going to be born in Dublin 952 01:14:12,532 --> 01:14:13,699 without telling me. 953 01:14:17,703 --> 01:14:19,505 Seemed like rather a nice adventure. 954 01:14:28,748 --> 01:14:31,017 When Philip and Caroline got married 955 01:14:31,184 --> 01:14:32,618 and the kids came along, 956 01:14:32,852 --> 01:14:34,220 there were lovely times. 957 01:14:35,755 --> 01:14:37,023 There were happy times. 958 01:14:46,732 --> 01:14:49,869 I remember being so nervous 959 01:14:50,069 --> 01:14:51,938 the priest literally shook me 960 01:14:52,104 --> 01:14:54,140 and said, "Pull yourself together, woman!" 961 01:14:57,009 --> 01:15:00,980 Philip laughed quite a lot of the way through the ceremony, 962 01:15:01,147 --> 01:15:02,515 which I hope was joy. 963 01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:05,151 There is a photograph that you see of me, like, 964 01:15:05,351 --> 01:15:07,253 giving him the evil eye. 965 01:15:09,455 --> 01:15:12,225 He was literally like the shoulders were starting to heave. 966 01:15:12,425 --> 01:15:13,960 I was like, "Behave yourself!" 967 01:15:17,997 --> 01:15:19,699 I carried Sarah during the ceremony. 968 01:15:19,866 --> 01:15:21,133 She was a sweetheart. 969 01:15:22,101 --> 01:15:23,269 Very well behaved. 970 01:15:25,504 --> 01:15:29,308 It was very good fun, and the beginning of a new era. 971 01:15:31,777 --> 01:15:36,148 I just remember this room full of family and friends 972 01:15:36,349 --> 01:15:38,618 and he looked incredibly handsome. 973 01:15:39,118 --> 01:15:40,353 And I was very happy. 974 01:15:55,134 --> 01:15:56,869 It was absolute heaven. 975 01:15:58,504 --> 01:16:00,072 Heaven to raise children. 976 01:16:02,675 --> 01:16:03,876 It was just blissful. 977 01:16:06,712 --> 01:16:11,951 He was not a hands-on, nappy-changing sort of father. 978 01:16:12,718 --> 01:16:15,121 But he doted on his girls. 979 01:16:19,792 --> 01:16:22,161 The memories aren't necessarily tangible. 980 01:16:22,395 --> 01:16:25,898 The feeling is very much still the same 981 01:16:26,065 --> 01:16:29,201 of him being part of our lives. 982 01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:33,472 The best, because you could just go out the back gate 983 01:16:33,639 --> 01:16:35,675 and you're on the beach and you just were lost. 984 01:16:35,841 --> 01:16:38,077 And we'd be there for days. 985 01:16:39,178 --> 01:16:41,480 It's hard to describe, it felt happy. 986 01:16:42,214 --> 01:16:45,718 It's this blur of a warm childhood. 987 01:16:51,757 --> 01:16:53,626 He loved to play games with the girls. 988 01:16:53,826 --> 01:16:55,561 And he'd just get lost in the moment. 989 01:16:55,695 --> 01:16:56,996 It was brilliant. 990 01:16:58,798 --> 01:17:00,666 He had a very naughty sense of humour. 991 01:17:01,901 --> 01:17:04,437 That naughty little boy was definitely in there. 992 01:17:08,107 --> 01:17:10,710 Philip was somebody who was very enchanted 993 01:17:10,876 --> 01:17:12,712 with the magical side of life. 994 01:17:15,348 --> 01:17:18,584 Becoming a father has brought out emotions in me 995 01:17:18,751 --> 01:17:20,820 that I honestly aian't think I had. 996 01:17:21,153 --> 01:17:23,789 [t's amazing when you do get married and have children, 997 01:17:23,956 --> 01:17:26,025 how much passion it can bring out. 998 01:17:28,294 --> 01:17:30,296 What do poets write about? They write about love and death 999 01:17:30,463 --> 01:17:31,797 and everything in between. 1000 01:17:32,465 --> 01:17:34,300 And there was lots of love in his life. 1001 01:17:35,835 --> 01:17:38,704 I don't remember a lot of Philip sitting with me 1002 01:17:38,871 --> 01:17:41,907 and talking about the music that he was creating. 1003 01:17:42,241 --> 01:17:47,747 But I do remember that he brought the song "Sarah" to me 1004 01:17:47,913 --> 01:17:52,785 and it really was the first time that he almost wanted approval. 1005 01:17:53,719 --> 01:17:56,122 It was like, um... 1006 01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:01,894 a present. 1007 01:18:04,497 --> 01:18:05,831 A thank you present. 1008 01:18:56,615 --> 01:18:59,051 It's an amazing thing to have a song written about you. 1009 01:19:01,454 --> 01:19:02,588 To not have him around 1010 01:19:02,755 --> 01:19:05,157 to say the things that you want him to say to you, 1011 01:19:05,958 --> 01:19:09,095 to have that reassurance, that love, that support there. 1012 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,531 He wrote everything in that song. 1013 01:19:12,698 --> 01:19:18,938 If I ever need to feel his love, it's in that song. 1014 01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:23,909 Obviously, there's many a time that I've listened to it 1015 01:19:24,076 --> 01:19:25,478 and it's broken me, 1016 01:19:25,611 --> 01:19:27,513 but there's many a time that I listen to it 1017 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:33,419 and it just fills you with absolute love, basically. 1018 01:19:36,555 --> 01:19:38,591 We had a hit at the same time, on Top of the Pops. 1019 01:19:38,757 --> 01:19:42,094 And I noticed that Phil was a little bit uncomfortable 1020 01:19:42,294 --> 01:19:44,497 singing this song about his daughter. 1021 01:19:44,797 --> 01:19:46,465 He was a little bit exposed. 1022 01:19:47,032 --> 01:19:49,902 And I was watching him sing it, he must've seen me watching, 1023 01:19:50,069 --> 01:19:52,571 and he went like this, right in the middle of one of the lyrics. 1024 01:19:52,738 --> 01:19:55,274 And I went, "Oh, that's..." "I'm still Phil." 1025 01:19:56,142 --> 01:19:57,176 Don't look too deep. 1026 01:19:58,511 --> 01:19:59,545 Sweet. 1027 01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:16,195 He wrote the song "Cathleen" because I said, 1028 01:20:16,395 --> 01:20:17,897 "You're not gonna write a song for Sarah 1029 01:20:18,063 --> 01:20:19,532 and not write a song for Cathleen. 1030 01:20:19,698 --> 01:20:21,534 You're just not. That's not gonna happen." 1031 01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:24,303 Hold on, I thought he wrote that song because he loved me. 1032 01:20:24,503 --> 01:20:25,571 Thanks, Mum. 1033 01:20:57,269 --> 01:20:59,171 It feels very much about our family life, 1034 01:20:59,371 --> 01:21:01,040 not just about me, which is, 1035 01:21:01,173 --> 01:21:03,709 for somebody who doesn't have loads of memories 1036 01:21:03,876 --> 01:21:05,377 and was very young, 1037 01:21:05,978 --> 01:21:09,348 I feel it kind of provides me with a little snippet 1038 01:21:09,515 --> 01:21:14,153 of our family's life together that's just for me. 1039 01:21:18,857 --> 01:21:22,027 You remember something and it's like a tiny little moment. 1040 01:21:22,561 --> 01:21:26,098 If I try and think about it too much, it tends to fade out. 1041 01:21:30,703 --> 01:21:34,073 He always had the blue fade down on the car. 1042 01:21:35,507 --> 01:21:37,810 We could've been anywhere, we could've been in town, 1043 01:21:37,977 --> 01:21:39,178 we could've been in London. 1044 01:21:39,378 --> 01:21:43,449 It was more just I know that I felt small in the seat. 1045 01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:45,851 And him just looking round. 1046 01:21:49,188 --> 01:21:51,156 Just that 'now are you doing back there?" 1047 01:21:52,391 --> 01:21:54,159 And just going, "Yeah." 1048 01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:05,938 I wish I could remember more than that. 1049 01:22:06,538 --> 01:22:09,675 It's a snapshot almost, with a feeling. 1050 01:22:12,778 --> 01:22:13,946 It's just a glimmer. 1051 01:22:22,187 --> 01:22:24,790 They were finally primed to crack America. 1052 01:22:25,291 --> 01:22:28,560 But he had terrible problems on American tours. 1053 01:22:29,395 --> 01:22:31,597 Something always seemed to get in his way. 1054 01:22:32,598 --> 01:22:34,733 Three times, and fell down. 1055 01:23:21,547 --> 01:23:23,649 The impact of Gary Moore leaving 1056 01:23:23,816 --> 01:23:27,052 was so far-reaching it's mind-blowing because they were on tour 1057 01:23:27,252 --> 01:23:29,555 and the people that were promoting the gigs, man, 1058 01:23:29,855 --> 01:23:31,357 you do that, that's the end. 1059 01:23:31,857 --> 01:23:34,093 That was the end of Lizzy in the States. 1060 01:23:34,693 --> 01:23:37,496 It was another blow to his American dreams. 1061 01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:40,332 They never really got it right in America. 1062 01:23:40,632 --> 01:23:43,469 He never enjoyed the popular success he should have. 1063 01:23:47,106 --> 01:23:48,540 Luck is a big thing 1064 01:23:48,707 --> 01:23:50,909 and that hasn't been on our side in America. 1065 01:23:51,143 --> 01:23:53,479 But in so far as Thin Lizzy's career Is concerned, 1066 01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:56,382 we've been a very successful and a very lucky band. 1067 01:23:59,051 --> 01:24:01,387 When Gary quit mid-tour of America, 1068 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,089 Philip didn't go, "Ah, here, I'm giving up." 1069 01:24:04,356 --> 01:24:07,025 He was a great spirit in that way, he never gave up. 1070 01:24:09,395 --> 01:24:11,897 We had some great players over on the right-hand side. 1071 01:24:12,498 --> 01:24:17,169 Brian Robertson, Gary Moore, Snowy White, John Sykes, 1072 01:24:17,836 --> 01:24:19,071 and then there's Midge. 1073 01:24:20,539 --> 01:24:22,474 It's a very odd chapter. 1074 01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:26,612 Why he asked me to be in the band, I will never know. 1075 01:24:26,779 --> 01:24:29,848 I'm not a killer whiz guitar player. 1076 01:24:30,215 --> 01:24:32,317 Which is what Lizzy were always known for. 1077 01:24:33,385 --> 01:24:36,188 I get the phone call from Philip who's in Arkansas, 1078 01:24:36,555 --> 01:24:38,657 who said, "We're on tour, Gary's out. 1079 01:24:38,824 --> 01:24:41,059 The band didn't turn up for a few of the shows. 1080 01:24:41,393 --> 01:24:42,961 Can you come out tomorrow?" 1081 01:24:43,896 --> 01:24:46,331 I had just enough time to pack my bag, 1082 01:24:46,632 --> 01:24:48,600 and I thought I'd learn the set on the plane. 1083 01:24:48,734 --> 01:24:50,135 And they flew me out on Concorde. 1084 01:24:58,377 --> 01:25:01,180 I'd never been to America, but I knew what America looked like 1085 01:25:01,613 --> 01:25:03,148 'cause I'd watched Starsky and Hutch. 1086 01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:09,154 I got dressed to go on stage. 1087 01:25:09,588 --> 01:25:11,623 Big shoulder pads, very '80s, 1088 01:25:11,790 --> 01:25:13,859 smart, you know, neckerchief. 1089 01:25:15,794 --> 01:25:18,931 And Scott said, "Oh, God." 1090 01:25:19,097 --> 01:25:21,066 That guy's got some brass balls, man. 1091 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,502 All of a sudden, I'm on stage 1092 01:25:23,702 --> 01:25:26,238 with Phil Lynott leaning over and going, 1093 01:25:26,638 --> 01:25:29,641 "Hey, here we go." You think... 1094 01:25:57,836 --> 01:25:58,937 It was glamourous, 1095 01:25:59,104 --> 01:26:02,040 it was everything you'd expect a rock tour to be. 1096 01:26:02,341 --> 01:26:05,777 Girls a go-go, bottles of champagne in the dressing room. 1097 01:26:06,345 --> 01:26:07,713 It was the package. 1098 01:26:08,146 --> 01:26:11,783 Rolling across America with your band playing great music. 1099 01:26:11,950 --> 01:26:13,585 And all the trimmings. 1100 01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:29,268 Depression started to hit us. 1101 01:26:29,535 --> 01:26:31,470 Knowing all the work that we had done 1102 01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:34,706 and how hard we'd actually tried to really break America 1103 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,775 and we just couldn't do it. 1104 01:26:37,175 --> 01:26:40,679 You can do things during that age 1105 01:26:40,812 --> 01:26:43,415 that you will never ever be able to do in your life again. 1106 01:26:43,849 --> 01:26:47,319 And you only know that when you get to 35. 1107 01:26:47,452 --> 01:26:50,088 You kind of know you can't get back 1108 01:26:50,289 --> 01:26:52,791 and channel that same energy again. 1109 01:26:53,892 --> 01:26:58,931 So, itis, to an extent, it is a Faustian pact. 1110 01:26:59,665 --> 01:27:04,169 But the wise man knows that it's a short contract. 1111 01:27:29,728 --> 01:27:31,430 Phil always liked to experiment 1112 01:27:31,597 --> 01:27:34,232 and saw the potential of using keyboards 1113 01:27:34,433 --> 01:27:36,068 as a part of the texture of Thin Lizzy. 1114 01:27:36,468 --> 01:27:38,637 We just hit it off straight away. 1115 01:27:39,071 --> 01:27:41,273 He asked me what team I supported, 1116 01:27:41,573 --> 01:27:42,774 I said United. 1117 01:27:43,408 --> 01:27:45,277 Then it just went from there. 1118 01:27:46,311 --> 01:27:48,380 Dream come true, I was just 18 as well. 1119 01:27:59,491 --> 01:28:02,794 Really, my life became centred in Dublin, 1120 01:28:03,428 --> 01:28:05,864 whilst Philip was mostly in London. 1121 01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:08,500 We swapped countries. 1122 01:28:11,837 --> 01:28:14,873 If we were in London, I was living in the house with Phil, 1123 01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,809 and there was a lot of tomfoolery going on. 1124 01:28:18,543 --> 01:28:20,345 I remember once, we was all at the house 1125 01:28:20,512 --> 01:28:22,614 and we'd been recording stuff and hanging out. 1126 01:28:22,914 --> 01:28:26,051 Philip comes down in the morning, looking for his cheddar. 1127 01:28:26,418 --> 01:28:30,155 The only thing in the fridge was a big lump of fucking cheddar. 1128 01:28:30,355 --> 01:28:31,556 Somebody had the munchies. 1129 01:28:31,690 --> 01:28:34,359 In the middle of the night came down, took a chunk out of it. 1130 01:28:34,493 --> 01:28:37,529 And Phil's screaming, "Get down here, get down here now!" 1131 01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:41,933 So, we all trundled downstairs and Phil's there in his nightgown. 1132 01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,970 And he went, "Who the fuck ate the cheese?" 1133 01:28:47,072 --> 01:28:50,208 And there's this perfect bite mark out of the cheese. 1134 01:28:50,509 --> 01:28:51,943 And he lined us all up. 1135 01:28:52,344 --> 01:28:55,580 He had the cheese, going, "I wanna match your teeth marks." 1136 01:28:56,648 --> 01:29:00,752 I'm looking, going, "God, that looks like the shape of my teeth on that." 1137 01:29:01,153 --> 01:29:02,754 So, we all have to bite the cheese. 1138 01:29:04,056 --> 01:29:05,557 He was taking samples. 1139 01:29:05,857 --> 01:29:07,859 "No, it wasn't him, it wasn't you. 1140 01:29:08,026 --> 01:29:09,928 Gus, you're looking a bit suspicious there." 1141 01:29:10,095 --> 01:29:13,598 Anyway, it turns out to be Gus. Gus was the culprit. 1142 01:29:13,865 --> 01:29:16,234 Uh oh, he said it was Gus. Maybe it was Gus. 1143 01:29:16,435 --> 01:29:18,103 I blame Darren, now, on that. 1144 01:29:18,303 --> 01:29:20,138 He was living in the house at the time. 1145 01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:21,773 I'm sure it was Darren. 1146 01:29:21,940 --> 01:29:23,141 Phil just stormed off. 1147 01:29:23,341 --> 01:29:25,477 He didn't speak to us all for about an hour, 1148 01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:27,145 going to the Hammersmith Odeon. 1149 01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:30,182 Someone must've been very hungry. 1150 01:29:39,558 --> 01:29:41,760 I can prick around a bit with the solo stuff. 1151 01:29:41,893 --> 01:29:45,397 Like, I could use strings and I could sing love songs. 1152 01:29:45,864 --> 01:29:48,400 [t's more interesting as an individual. 1153 01:29:48,734 --> 01:29:50,769 But my first love is the band. 1154 01:30:08,420 --> 01:30:09,755 So, the drugs now. 1155 01:30:11,256 --> 01:30:12,491 I know we're going there. 1156 01:30:15,994 --> 01:30:18,296 They were there. They were always there. 1157 01:30:18,463 --> 01:30:20,732 But really just recreational stuff. 1158 01:30:22,067 --> 01:30:25,470 Almost everybody in the industry was like that. 1159 01:30:26,438 --> 01:30:30,142 The beginning of the problem with those class A drugs 1160 01:30:30,408 --> 01:30:34,679 started in Paris with the "Black Rose" album. 1161 01:30:40,118 --> 01:30:42,587 This was where the problems were beginning to start, 1162 01:30:42,788 --> 01:30:44,790 not that any of us really knew that. 1163 01:30:45,957 --> 01:30:48,226 When you actually look at the lyrics of the songs, 1164 01:30:48,493 --> 01:30:51,830 it's quite clear the idea of hiding in plain sight, 1165 01:30:52,464 --> 01:30:55,000 and he was perhaps reaching out, 1166 01:30:55,133 --> 01:30:57,869 hoping that some solution might be found. 1167 01:31:45,250 --> 01:31:46,985 All right, come on. 1168 01:32:22,187 --> 01:32:25,357 There's no question that was a note to self. 1169 01:32:34,733 --> 01:32:37,836 We did seem to be on the road all the time. 1170 01:32:39,371 --> 01:32:42,841 Tokyo, Australia, America, all over the world. 1171 01:32:43,408 --> 01:32:46,945 Private plane there, jet there, just a massive big rollercoaster. 1172 01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:52,117 But that has its down sides because you can burn people out. 1173 01:32:55,253 --> 01:32:57,756 This is the beginning of cracks in the relationship 1174 01:32:57,889 --> 01:33:00,659 because we literally just weren't together so much. 1175 01:33:01,693 --> 01:33:05,297 He was in a studio in London or on tour 1176 01:33:05,463 --> 01:33:09,501 and actually became a bit more of a visitor. 1177 01:33:11,336 --> 01:33:12,771 But there were other factors 1178 01:33:12,938 --> 01:33:14,873 that were influencing his thinking 1179 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,909 and his behaviour and the way our lives were going. 1180 01:33:18,076 --> 01:33:23,815 We were starting to shift away from one another. 1181 01:33:25,650 --> 01:33:27,352 There was a marked change 1182 01:33:27,519 --> 01:33:29,821 in the guy that had a trajectory upwards 1183 01:33:29,988 --> 01:33:32,958 and had a vision, knew where he was going, 1184 01:33:33,091 --> 01:33:34,492 knew what he wanted, 1185 01:33:34,693 --> 01:33:37,529 and the guy that was falling apart. 1186 01:33:38,997 --> 01:33:41,800 You can hear it in the lyrics and you could feel it in the music. 1187 01:33:42,067 --> 01:33:44,569 It became more formulaic, 1188 01:33:44,936 --> 01:33:48,974 striving to get that "The Boys are Back in Town" part two. 1189 01:33:50,675 --> 01:33:52,510 The energy was going now, 1190 01:33:52,677 --> 01:33:54,879 the writing seemed to go down. 1191 01:33:55,146 --> 01:33:58,316 Even through the haze of all this crap that I had in my system, 1192 01:33:58,450 --> 01:34:01,453 I actually could see and feel the difference. 1193 01:34:02,454 --> 01:34:05,590 I just went to Phil and I said, "Buddy, I... 1194 01:34:06,558 --> 01:34:07,959 I gotta get out of this thing." 1195 01:34:09,027 --> 01:34:11,029 He says, "OK, this is what we're gonna do." 1196 01:34:11,663 --> 01:34:15,033 We do one last album and one last world tour 1197 01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:16,968 so we can say goodbye to all the fans." 1198 01:34:19,904 --> 01:34:22,140 So, that's what we did. 1199 01:34:22,674 --> 01:34:25,577 We're gonna do the only slow number on the new album. 1200 01:34:26,911 --> 01:34:28,780 It's a deep meaningful song, this one. 1201 01:34:28,980 --> 01:34:29,948 "Whiskey"! 1202 01:34:30,115 --> 01:34:32,017 No, it's not "Whiskey in the fucking Jar". 1203 01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:41,626 When the management first told us 1204 01:34:41,793 --> 01:34:43,995 that we're gonna take a break that was all it was, 1205 01:34:44,129 --> 01:34:45,930 we're gonna take six months to a year off 1206 01:34:46,331 --> 01:34:49,434 and give the guys time to rejuvenate. 1207 01:34:50,368 --> 01:34:52,337 It was never meant to be the end of the band. 1208 01:34:53,905 --> 01:34:56,908 All I can say about the last years of Lynott, 1209 01:34:57,108 --> 01:34:59,911 just listen to the last album, he's telling you everything. 1210 01:35:00,945 --> 01:35:01,980 It's all there. 1211 01:36:00,705 --> 01:36:03,308 The last gig in Dublin, the spark was missing. 1212 01:36:04,509 --> 01:36:06,411 It was sad that this kind of Irish... 1213 01:36:06,578 --> 01:36:08,513 institution' is the wrong word, I guess, 1214 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,350 but this Irish thing called Thin Lizzy was to be no more. 1215 01:36:14,452 --> 01:36:16,154 Now, we know in retrospect 1216 01:36:16,588 --> 01:36:20,291 they were probably quite relieved it was almost over. 1217 01:36:22,026 --> 01:36:24,028 I've been to enough concerts to know that 1218 01:36:24,195 --> 01:36:26,798 it was right at the feet that I would get the plectrum. 1219 01:36:27,699 --> 01:36:30,034 I just was in the right place at the right time. 1220 01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:35,507 Yeah. 1221 01:36:50,021 --> 01:36:51,890 We all just said goodbye at the airport 1222 01:36:52,056 --> 01:36:56,094 as if "I'll see you next week, then.' It was like that. 1223 01:36:56,828 --> 01:37:00,398 Totally opposite from the way I thought the band was ever gonna end. 1224 01:37:00,532 --> 01:37:03,268 I thought it would be a mutual thing and we'd have a party, 1225 01:37:03,434 --> 01:37:05,370 shaking hands with big hugs. 1226 01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:07,572 It was me grabbing my bag and saying, 1227 01:37:07,739 --> 01:37:09,040 "Good luck everybody." 1228 01:37:09,174 --> 01:37:11,543 It was a really crappy ending to the whole thing. 1229 01:37:12,911 --> 01:37:15,747 So, what can you do? 1230 01:37:16,915 --> 01:37:18,416 Thin Lizzy is like a girlfriend 1231 01:37:18,583 --> 01:37:20,618 that you were madly in love with at one stage. 1232 01:37:20,785 --> 01:37:22,921 I'm in love with the idea of being with her again 1233 01:37:23,054 --> 01:37:24,856 but actually knowing it's impossible, 1234 01:37:25,023 --> 01:37:26,391 you can't really go back. 1235 01:37:29,027 --> 01:37:31,796 So much had gone, the brotherhood had gone. 1236 01:37:33,464 --> 01:37:35,066 And that's what Philip needed. 1237 01:37:56,688 --> 01:37:58,890 You cannot walk away from a successful band 1238 01:37:59,057 --> 01:38:00,792 and expect to be equally successful. 1239 01:38:00,959 --> 01:38:02,827 It's kind of like starting all over again. 1240 01:38:04,062 --> 01:38:07,498 There's always a transitional moment with fame 1241 01:38:07,999 --> 01:38:11,369 where the spotlight moves away from you. 1242 01:38:11,536 --> 01:38:13,938 And it happens to everyone. 1243 01:38:16,674 --> 01:38:19,277 You get very vulnerable at that moment 1244 01:38:19,611 --> 01:38:23,081 and you try and chase the fairy dust in one way or another. 1245 01:38:37,662 --> 01:38:40,131 At that stage, his marriage had broke up 1246 01:38:40,932 --> 01:38:43,668 and Lizzy had broke up, so there was a lot happening there. 1247 01:38:44,068 --> 01:38:47,305 And he wasn't the same old Philip that he used to be. 1248 01:38:51,476 --> 01:38:53,778 It's always sad when a relationship 1249 01:38:54,012 --> 01:38:57,615 that you had thought was for life breaks up. 1250 01:39:00,018 --> 01:39:03,621 In the same way that we came together 1251 01:39:03,955 --> 01:39:06,758 in a kind of absorption of each other, 1252 01:39:07,425 --> 01:39:11,396 we came apart in... 1253 01:39:12,463 --> 01:39:14,432 in... I don't know how to describe it. 1254 01:39:14,599 --> 01:39:17,368 Ina... um... 1255 01:39:20,071 --> 01:39:23,274 Almost like the tide going out. 1256 01:39:24,575 --> 01:39:30,048 And there was, I don't think, any point 1257 01:39:30,214 --> 01:39:36,120 where I knew that the tide had turned. 1258 01:39:40,892 --> 01:39:44,829 I spent from 18 to 24 with him. 1259 01:39:47,265 --> 01:39:50,134 It's minute, really. 1260 01:39:53,871 --> 01:39:57,575 I kind of feel like I was only beginning to get to know him. 1261 01:40:21,399 --> 01:40:22,467 He had faded. 1262 01:40:23,134 --> 01:40:24,502 Faded a lot. 1263 01:40:26,037 --> 01:40:27,638 I was really concerned about him. 1264 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:30,908 Everybody tried to help, 1265 01:40:31,075 --> 01:40:32,777 but nobody can help a drowning man. 1266 01:40:33,945 --> 01:40:35,747 You'd do anything to put a rope out there 1267 01:40:35,913 --> 01:40:37,348 and just haul him back in. 1268 01:40:39,450 --> 01:40:40,752 But life isn't like that. 1269 01:40:47,291 --> 01:40:51,863 I wanted to get him back, singing up in the range 1270 01:40:52,296 --> 01:40:55,400 with that power that he had, that only he had. 1271 01:41:00,471 --> 01:41:02,440 But for Philip, I would never be here. 1272 01:41:04,142 --> 01:41:05,877 He was instrumental for me. 1273 01:41:09,113 --> 01:41:10,415 The late '70s, 1274 01:41:10,581 --> 01:41:13,351 my band Clover was selected to open for Thin Lizzy. 1275 01:41:14,919 --> 01:41:17,188 Our first show, the curtain goes up to... 1276 01:41:19,957 --> 01:41:21,626 Lizzy! Here's this other band. 1277 01:41:24,028 --> 01:41:26,197 The place went, "Boo!" 1278 01:41:26,464 --> 01:41:28,199 Barely got through all eight tunes. 1279 01:41:28,866 --> 01:41:31,769 And just hustled off the stage to silence. 1280 01:41:32,970 --> 01:41:35,373 And just in the wings of the stage 1281 01:41:35,540 --> 01:41:37,375 watching the whole show was Philip. 1282 01:41:39,076 --> 01:41:40,945 And he said, "Come on, let's have a chat." 1283 01:41:42,513 --> 01:41:44,949 He had faith in me and he raised me up. 1284 01:41:45,249 --> 01:41:46,217 Literally. 1285 01:41:47,852 --> 01:41:49,153 He came to San Francisco 1286 01:41:49,654 --> 01:41:52,790 and we spent a week working in the studio. 1287 01:41:53,591 --> 01:41:55,193 And we got a few things cut. 1288 01:41:56,627 --> 01:41:57,829 None of them were finished, 1289 01:41:57,995 --> 01:42:00,031 but we were on our way and it was great, 1290 01:42:00,198 --> 01:42:01,699 and he was going to go to England 1291 01:42:01,866 --> 01:42:03,534 and come back and finish the songs. 1292 01:42:10,741 --> 01:42:14,312 He was over on a flying visit to Dublin 1293 01:42:15,179 --> 01:42:16,447 and we had a great chat. 1294 01:42:17,148 --> 01:42:18,182 But before he left, 1295 01:42:18,382 --> 01:42:20,852 he said, like, he goes, "I just want to say to you that 1296 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,422 my love affair with Dublin is over. 1297 01:42:26,491 --> 01:42:29,026 So, I go, "What?" 1298 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,796 And he says, "Yeah, my love affair with Dublin's over." 1299 01:42:31,929 --> 01:42:34,332 He says, "That's it." 1300 01:42:36,634 --> 01:42:38,703 So, that was... 1301 01:42:43,374 --> 01:42:44,375 pretty sad. 1302 01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:50,448 I never saw him again. 1303 01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,622 After that, he just walked out the door 1304 01:42:57,788 --> 01:42:59,423 and six months later he was dead. 1305 01:44:26,143 --> 01:44:27,912 What a way for it to end, you know what I mean? 1306 01:44:28,079 --> 01:44:30,648 It was just... It wasn't how it was meant to end, was it? 1307 01:44:43,694 --> 01:44:45,630 It's just one terrible day in my life. 1308 01:44:47,632 --> 01:44:48,733 I'll never forget it. 1309 01:44:56,574 --> 01:44:58,342 Man, it's just been on the news. 1310 01:44:58,509 --> 01:45:00,478 That's how I found out, it was on the news. 1311 01:45:01,278 --> 01:45:02,380 Yeah. 1312 01:45:03,814 --> 01:45:04,815 Yes, sorry. 1313 01:45:13,491 --> 01:45:14,692 Absolutely crushed me. 1314 01:45:15,059 --> 01:45:16,160 I was in my basement. 1315 01:45:16,894 --> 01:45:19,530 I just sat on the stairs, cried like a baby. 1316 01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,169 This was a guy that loomed large in your life. 1317 01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:28,506 And now he's not there and he's not gonna be there. 1318 01:45:29,073 --> 01:45:30,174 So... 1319 01:45:32,209 --> 01:45:33,344 Yeah. 1320 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:37,415 Weird. It's even weird to talk about it, you know. 1321 01:45:41,752 --> 01:45:43,621 There's things that go way past shock. 1322 01:45:43,788 --> 01:45:45,890 And then there's always regrets. 1323 01:45:46,157 --> 01:45:48,292 There's always the melancholy. 1324 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,069 It was absolutely heart-breaking. 1325 01:45:58,669 --> 01:46:01,439 Even great people are desperately vulnerable. 1326 01:46:07,945 --> 01:46:09,480 It was a horrible wet day. 1327 01:46:11,248 --> 01:46:13,984 It was bleak and black, rainy. 1328 01:46:14,919 --> 01:46:16,954 It was incredibly hard to accept. 1329 01:46:41,078 --> 01:46:42,413 At some point, 1330 01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:46,550 there is a recognition that that life, albeit shorter 1331 01:46:46,717 --> 01:46:49,186 and much, much shorter than it should've been, 1332 01:46:49,787 --> 01:46:52,389 left behind something far greater 1333 01:46:52,556 --> 01:46:54,358 than most of us will in our lifetimes. 1334 01:46:55,893 --> 01:46:57,661 We can still hear his voice 1335 01:46:58,229 --> 01:47:01,298 and still tap into those memories 1336 01:47:01,465 --> 01:47:03,100 of everything that he left. 1337 01:47:11,142 --> 01:47:14,812 When I was on a train with him once when he was a little boy, 1338 01:47:15,146 --> 01:47:16,847 he put his arms around me, he said, 1339 01:47:17,114 --> 01:47:18,749 "You smell lovely, Mummy. 1340 01:47:19,016 --> 01:47:22,386 When I grow up, I'll buy you lots and lots of perfume 1341 01:47:22,553 --> 01:47:24,088 and a big, big house." 1342 01:47:24,355 --> 01:47:25,589 And blow me, he did. 1343 01:48:03,093 --> 01:48:04,628 All the time, we think about him. 1344 01:48:05,396 --> 01:48:07,731 He was one of a kind, Philip Lynott. 1345 01:48:08,465 --> 01:48:09,400 One of a kind. 1346 01:48:10,768 --> 01:48:14,104 I've stolen a few... Or borrowed, excuse me. 1347 01:48:14,638 --> 01:48:17,675 Borrowed a few lines from him over the years. 1348 01:48:17,908 --> 01:48:18,976 "You still out there?" 1349 01:48:21,712 --> 01:48:24,748 Phil Lynott would give you his entire soul 1350 01:48:25,015 --> 01:48:26,217 just to get you to smile. 1351 01:48:28,385 --> 01:48:31,088 I picture him as the guy I met at the very start. 1352 01:48:31,789 --> 01:48:33,357 He worked his arse off. 1353 01:48:34,458 --> 01:48:36,060 You can sit and dream all you want. 1354 01:48:36,493 --> 01:48:37,995 But you've got to pick it up. 1355 01:48:42,066 --> 01:48:45,302 I reckon he'd be dancing with the young ones around him somewhere. 1356 01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:49,306 He'd tell 'em the boys are back in town, probably in a kind of calypso. 1357 01:48:56,146 --> 01:48:57,781 I still have dreams about him. 1358 01:48:58,415 --> 01:49:01,452 This working-class lad who took on the world 1359 01:49:01,619 --> 01:49:04,054 and gave it a damn good thrashing. 1360 01:49:05,856 --> 01:49:08,058 It's always him looking over his left-hand shoulder 1361 01:49:08,225 --> 01:49:09,560 and giving me this grin. 1362 01:49:09,693 --> 01:49:12,463 Like, "Wow, check this out. Isn't this cool, man?" 1363 01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:13,797 And I'm like, "Yeah!" 1364 01:49:21,305 --> 01:49:23,173 I have the memories, I have the music 1365 01:49:23,374 --> 01:49:24,775 and I have Sarah and Cathleen 1366 01:49:25,309 --> 01:49:29,480 who keep him with me in my life. 1367 01:49:29,947 --> 01:49:32,016 And I'm grateful for that. 1368 01:49:38,789 --> 01:49:42,293 Loved. We felt very loved by him. 1369 01:49:44,295 --> 01:49:45,462 To feel loved. 1370 01:49:46,931 --> 01:49:48,132 And to pass that on. 1371 01:49:49,066 --> 01:49:51,502 That's a beautiful thing. 1372 01:49:53,671 --> 01:49:55,172 Until the next time. Thank you! 108359

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