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[theme music playing]

The thing inside of me, it's like...

the appetite, it's like a wolf that's...

feeling... the hunger.

His demeanor and attitude are not what you'd expect from,

I think, a family member who is closely connected

and the guardian of their grandparent,

because he seems like it's kind of an inconvenient thing

for them to be even asking about it,

but he doesn't think things really through very far.

He responds in the moment.

It's a little bit of the impulsive responses we see

in people with some forms of psychopathy.

They don't always think about the second

and third order effects.

Like if I tell them this,

then what comes next and what comes next?

That's why you hear the detective reminding him

"What's going to happen when we check and she's not there?"

Something's not adding up and that there is a problem.

[indistinct police radio chatter]

[police radio trills]

[indistinct police radio chatter]

[Dr. Tussey] Tincher says, "You know, let's just speed this up,

basically, I'll just go ahead and tell you what happened."

And it makes you wonder, like, what, is he trying to

speed it up for himself or the investigators?

You wonder if he's just trying to speed it up for himself,

because maybe he's seeing the writing on the wall.

He realizes that he's caught, and he's just gonna go ahead

and give that information over.

It's an opportunity for him to start to control the narrative.

So what we hear is in that immediate moment, he walks

into the bathroom.

He sees his grandmother lying in a pool of her own blood

with a fall in the shower.

And he doesn't think first about her care

and her well-being and getting her help.

He thinks about his outstanding warrant and going to jail.

Most of us, reasonably, would not go there.

And that's the fundamental difference when we start to

think about psychopathic individuals and the rest of us.

Psychopathic individuals are very focused on themselves.

They don't experience emotions in that normal range,

the way the rest of us do.

What they think about is their own hindrances,

their own difficulties,

and how something's going to impact them.

[Dr. Sahni] Tincher is showing us that he's somebody

who uses his opportunities and the people who provide them

to their fullest.

And once he maxes that out, like a credit card,

he just dumps it and moves on.

He took off, and he took off to go play in Hawaii.

And he had no plan.

He had no direction other than to evade authorities.

And that parasitic tendency, that willingness to live in

an irresponsible manner, and that very antisocial way of

thinking is not uncommon for psychopathic individuals.

They don't have any real ties to society, societal rules

or norms or standards, and they're not motivated by

the same things the rest of us are.

So that intrinsic motivation that propels most of us forward

in life to do things in a prosocial way, to do things

in a way that society approves of and allows us to blend in

and exist, is not motivating to a psychopathic person.

[Dr. Morgan III] If you look at carefully what he said, he's gonna go,

"If she died in the shower."

He throws it in as a conditional.

It's an "if."

He's using it as a way of making his point.

And then he says, "No, I don't want to talk about it."

I think still reinforces the idea that the story he's told us about

the bathroom isn't the truth of what's going on.

I think he's throwing it out there as these things

and saying, "And the main point of all this is no matter what

happened to her, I'd still be in trouble over this warrant,"

as if it's the justification for whatever he did.

[Dr. Tussey] He seems to have just tossed her out and objectified her.

He could have potentially preserved her life by calling

911 in the first place.

He could have engaged and made different decisions that could

have changed his entire trajectory.

But everything seems very transactional and all for

his own goals in the long run, and that is evading being

arrested for this warrant and, you know, having his life

bankrolled without having to put any effort into it himself.

[Dr. Tussey] I wonder if he's engaging in some impression management,

again, hopefully from his perspective, eliciting some

sympathy to show this investigator

how bad this hurt him.

"It was so bad. I was almost suicidal."

But he wraps it up again

with that spotlight focused on himself.

"And you know what, though? Thank goodness there's hope."

I mean, there's hope for him staying alive, but there's not

hope for his grandmother and all of the people that

he affected along the way.

This idea, "I'm gonna keep her," is sort of like viewing

her as an object that's one of his things to keep.

She isn't a person who's passed and about whom

now the family needs to know that she's passed

so they can grieve.

Like, she meant something to a lot of people.

As strange as families are,

when somebody dies, they at least have a chance to

say goodbye to them in their way.

But she doesn't belong to anybody else.

She belongs to him.

Tincher's very honest in this moment, I think, in sharing

that his goal is to live as long as he can,

enjoying his life, not being taxed,

not being vexed or stressed.

And the benefit for him, the big upside for him,

was financial.

As long as she was still alive on paper,

he was living off those funds.

That is as parasitic as parasitic gets.

[Dr. Tussey] Whenever he stated, "All I care about is the warrant,"

I think that's one of the truest statements he said this entire

interview, because he is focused on himself.

This entire investigation, this entire interview,

he has been worried about himself,

and he's made that very clear.

And so it didn't matter what happened with Grandmother's life.

He was very cold and callous as he described that.

He engaged in behavior to protect himself all along

the way, from Grandma dying to hiding from this warrant.

We know individuals with psychopathy will do whatever

it takes to get their needs and desires met.

And that's what we see here.

You know, an individual who has

done everything he can to serve himself.

When we see the level of injury as noted by the coroner,

we still, we don't know directly how the head,

the blunt-force trauma to the head was incurred.

Did she really fall,

or did he slam her head down on the bathtub?

We may never know that.

What we do know by his own admission is that he put

her in the freezer, and the coroner has noted that

there's death related to hypothermia.

So the body's core temperature is dropping and dropping

and dropping because she's in a freezer.

But his actions alone are such that he can be charged with

murder because he did nothing to help her, and he put her in

a situation where he knew she would die,

and waited until she was dead,

and didn't call for any help,

and didn't provide any assistance to her.