All language subtitles for Signs.of.a.Psychopath.S11E08.1080p.WEB.h264-EDITH_track3_[eng]

[theme music playing]

The thing
inside of me, it's like...

the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...

feeling...
the hunger.

His demeanor and attitude are
not what you'd expect from,

I think, a family member who is
closely connected

and the guardian
of their grandparent,

because he seems like it's kind
of an inconvenient thing

for them to be
even asking about it,

but he doesn't think things
really through very far.

He responds in the moment.

It's a little bit of
the impulsive responses we see

in people with some forms
of psychopathy.

They don't always
think about the second

and third order effects.

Like if I tell them this,

then what comes next
and what comes next?

That's why you hear
the detective reminding him

"What's going to happen when
we check and she's not there?"

Something's not adding up
and that there is a problem.

[indistinct
police radio chatter]

[police radio trills]

[indistinct
police radio chatter]

[Dr. Tussey]
Tincher says, "You know,
let's just speed this up,

basically, I'll just go ahead
and tell you what happened."

And it makes you wonder,
like, what, is he trying to

speed it up for himself
or the investigators?

You wonder if he's just trying
to speed it up for himself,

because maybe he's seeing
the writing on the wall.

He realizes that he's caught,
and he's just gonna go ahead

and give that information over.

It's an opportunity for him to
start to control the narrative.

So what we hear is in that
immediate moment, he walks

into the bathroom.

He sees his grandmother lying
in a pool of her own blood

with a fall in the shower.

And he doesn't think first
about her care

and her well-being
and getting her help.

He thinks about his outstanding
warrant and going to jail.

Most of us, reasonably,
would not go there.

And that's the fundamental
difference when we start to

think about psychopathic
individuals and the rest of us.

Psychopathic individuals are
very focused on themselves.

They don't experience emotions
in that normal range,

the way the rest of us do.

What they think about is
their own hindrances,

their own difficulties,

and how something's going to
impact them.

[Dr. Sahni]
Tincher is showing us
that he's somebody

who uses his opportunities
and the people who provide them

to their fullest.

And once he maxes that out,
like a credit card,

he just dumps it and moves on.

He took off, and he took off
to go play in Hawaii.

And he had no plan.

He had no direction other than
to evade authorities.

And that parasitic tendency,
that willingness to live in

an irresponsible manner,
and that very antisocial way of

thinking is not uncommon
for psychopathic individuals.

They don't have any real ties
to society, societal rules

or norms or standards,
and they're not motivated by

the same things
the rest of us are.

So that intrinsic motivation
that propels most of us forward

in life to do things in
a prosocial way, to do things

in a way that society approves
of and allows us to blend in

and exist, is not motivating to
a psychopathic person.

[Dr. Morgan III]
If you look at carefully what
he said, he's gonna go,

"If she died in the shower."

He throws it in
as a conditional.

It's an "if."

He's using it as a way of
making his point.

And then he says, "No, I don't
want to talk about it."

I think still reinforces
the idea that the story
he's told us about

the bathroom isn't the truth
of what's going on.

I think he's throwing it out
there as these things

and saying, "And the main point
of all this is no matter what

happened to her, I'd still be
in trouble over this warrant,"

as if it's the justification
for whatever he did.

[Dr. Tussey]
He seems to have just tossed
her out and objectified her.

He could have potentially
preserved her life by calling

911 in the first place.

He could have engaged and made
different decisions that could

have changed
his entire trajectory.

But everything seems very
transactional and all for

his own goals in the long run,
and that is evading being

arrested for this warrant
and, you know, having his life

bankrolled without having to
put any effort into it himself.

[Dr. Tussey]
I wonder if he's engaging in
some impression management,

again, hopefully from
his perspective, eliciting some

sympathy to show
this investigator

how bad this hurt him.

"It was so bad.
I was almost suicidal."

But he wraps it up again

with that spotlight
focused on himself.

"And you know what, though?
Thank goodness there's hope."

I mean, there's hope for him
staying alive, but there's not

hope for his grandmother
and all of the people that

he affected along the way.

This idea, "I'm gonna keep
her," is sort of like viewing

her as an object that's one of
his things to keep.

She isn't a person who's passed
and about whom

now the family needs to know
that she's passed

so they can grieve.

Like, she meant something to
a lot of people.

As strange as families are,

when somebody dies,
they at least have a chance to

say goodbye to them
in their way.

But she doesn't belong to
anybody else.

She belongs to him.

Tincher's very honest in this
moment, I think, in sharing

that his goal is to live
as long as he can,

enjoying his life,
not being taxed,

not being vexed or stressed.

And the benefit for him,
the big upside for him,

was financial.

As long as she
was still alive on paper,

he was living off those funds.

That is as parasitic
as parasitic gets.

[Dr. Tussey]
Whenever he stated, "All I care
about is the warrant,"

I think that's one of the truest
statements he said this entire

interview, because he is
focused on himself.

This entire investigation,
this entire interview,

he has been worried
about himself,

and he's made that very clear.

And so it didn't matter
what happened with
Grandmother's life.

He was very cold and callous
as he described that.

He engaged in behavior to
protect himself all along

the way, from Grandma dying to
hiding from this warrant.

We know individuals with
psychopathy will do whatever

it takes to get their needs
and desires met.

And that's what we see here.

You know, an individual who has

done everything he can
to serve himself.

When we see the level of injury
as noted by the coroner,

we still, we don't know
directly how the head,

the blunt-force trauma to
the head was incurred.

Did she really fall,

or did he slam her head down
on the bathtub?

We may never know that.

What we do know by his own
admission is that he put

her in the freezer,
and the coroner has noted that

there's death related
to hypothermia.

So the body's core temperature
is dropping and dropping

and dropping because
she's in a freezer.

But his actions alone are such
that he can be charged with

murder because he did nothing
to help her, and he put her in

a situation where he knew
she would die,

and waited until she was dead,

and didn't call for any help,

and didn't provide any
assistance to her.