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Proceed?
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Yes. Okay, go ahead.
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So, we have the negative person, Shintu.
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Shintu, you are from Assam, right?
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Yes, yes.
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What is the present scenario, the flat
scenario in Assam right now?
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It's fine right now.
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Okay, it's fine. Okay.
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So, yes.
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Can you come on camera please so that we
can see you?
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This is the first time probably all of
us meeting.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Yeah, Sintu, go ahead.
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My story is all about one-shot community
of Arunachal Pradesh.
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And I am documenting this community
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from last two years.
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Their traditional tattoos, hunting
practices, and
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the way they live, their
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lifestyle.
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and everything.
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I also have photographs from their
festivals also.
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But in this competition I didn't submit
the festival photos because the
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main festival of one show community is
called Orya festival and I feel this
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festival is becoming more commercialized
nowadays.
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So that's why I submit all those
photographs without festival
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photos.
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So the first photograph is a house. I
started the series with a photograph of
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a traditional one-store house.
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I wanted to introduce the place before
introducing the people.
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The houses and the surroundings give the
viewer a sense of whatever, where the
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story is taking place and how people
live in that environment.
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The second the second photograph so
shown or shown omen getting harvest
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basket I Wanted to bring the viewers
into the daily work.
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I like the fact that they were not
posing for me they were simply doing
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something that was part of the normal
day and And the third and the third
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photograph of a grandmother carrying a
baby
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while walking with green.
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This was a very simple moment but for me
it shows many things together
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like work, family, different generation.
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I like these kinds of moments because
they happen naturally and don't need to
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be created for the camera.
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Then I include the photograph of the
bamboo classroom.
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I felt this was important because I
didn't want to show the one-show
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community only through their traditional
life. The school represents the younger
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generation and some of the changes
happening in the community.
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It shows that their life is not frozen
in the past.
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And the fifth photograph shows a hunter
with a gun and a bird.
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hunting was one of the things that first
made me curious about the one show
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community while i visited in some of the
communities i
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visited hunting is still connected with
their way of life and i wanted to
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document it as something i observed
there without trying to make it look uh
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heroic or dramatic so after that i
include the photograph of the woman
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I wanted to show another part of the
everyday life and traditional skill.
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Weaving shows work, patience and
knowledge that has been passed
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down through generations.
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The next two photographs focus on
traditional tattoos.
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The tattoos are one of the first things
that attracted me to this community.
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They are connected with their identity
and history, but I didn't want to
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photograph only the tattoo itself.
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I wanted to show the people behind the
traditions as well.
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In the photograph of the tattooed woman,
I didn't ask her to remove
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her clothes or pose in the way.
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her son came and asked her to show the
tattoo because he wanted me to document
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them properly and after he explained
that this was how she had traditionally
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lived earlier and that in that context
uh it was not uh unusual from them
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unusual for them uh i understand that uh
that time have changed and people
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don't necessarily live in the same way
today for me The important part of the
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photograph was documenting the tattoo
and history connected to them, not the
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nudity itself.
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And the next photograph is the portrait
of the elderly tattooed woman. I
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included it because I wanted to move
from showing the tattoo to showing the
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person himself.
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Her face is an expression telling
another part of the story.
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The tetu is the part of her identity but
she is more than the tetu.
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The ninth photograph shows a young boy
carrying a hunted animal.
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I included this because it connects the
practice of hunting with the younger
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generations.
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It shows how children grow up around
these activities and learn from the
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people around them. I didn't include it
to shock the viewer.
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It is simply something I experienced and
uh felt was important important to the
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story finally i end with the photograph
of the child carrying another child
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while elderly they took couple in the
background this is probably
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sorry uh
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this is probably my favorite photograph
from the series there are different
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generation in one frame the older
generation in the background and the
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children in from front for me it creates
a connection between the past present
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and future so so i don't believe these
10 photographs can
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represent the entire one so community
they are only my personal experience and
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my observation of the people and places
i was able to spend time with thank
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you yeah thank you i just want to know
one question so i mean this
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is not very clear to me before i move to
the judge what is your specific story is
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there any specific story you have from
the project this is all about their
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daily life daily lifestyle of one so
community okay thank you now go let's
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move to the jury
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I think I have some community-centric
questions, which I think is the concern
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or the kind of area of interest and
attention for me.
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How long was your engagement with the
community?
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What was the process of access?
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It is an ongoing project.
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uh it's been two years from uh
documenting this tribe actually i am i
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am documenting the entire northeast from
last four four five years and this one
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so community is one of them okay um
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so there was a very interesting anecdote
that he said that the
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son of the mother wanted
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You document, can you hear me well?
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Sorry?
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Can you hear me well?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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There was an interesting anecdote that
you said about the son wanting to
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document the mother's tattoos, which led
me to the question that in a
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project like this, how do you ensure
content?
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uh dignity of representation and also
this aspect of giving back to the
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communities it is important sorry i
can't hear you properly no question
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okay in your internet because the
internet
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problem probably yes yes okay i'll try
again can you hear me now
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yes yes okay perfect So my first
question, I was
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talking about the anecdote that you
shared with us. Yeah?
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Can you hear me?
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Yes, please.
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Yeah. The anecdote that you shared of
the son wanting to die,
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right? So from that, there is a kind of
engagement with the community, which is
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very clear.
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My question is that, I think it's
two-part, the question is, how do you
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ensure consent, you know, dignity of
representation?
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And also, how do you give to the
community, or if it is an important part
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of your process?
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Because that's my central question when
you are talking, you're documenting any
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Indigenous community.
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Shintu, can you understand the question?
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Yes, yes.
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Okay.
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You there?
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You have any answer? I mean, you can...
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It's an open question.
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I can type it for you if you did not
hear.
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You need to give me more than that.
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You need to tell me what your answer is
or did you not hear the question
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properly?
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Yes, I didn't hear the question
properly. Some words are breaking.
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Okay. I'm going to type the question.
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okay okay so during that time can you
shift to olivia
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lolo yeah yeah yes olivia i was
wondering if you you
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you choose this community um or or the
the it was a coincidence or you
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documented this kind of indigenous
community to find them
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actually i'm so interested in this kind
of community because in northeast india
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there are lots of uh communities tribal
communities and there are uh some
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friends some college friends in
arunachal pradesh and i connect with
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them and then got some information about
this one show community and after
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hearing uh about about the cultures and
their lifestyle i'm so interested in uh
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interesting about documenting their life
so after that i am
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engaged with this community okay okay
and um do you share with them i mean
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you involve them in the in the process
or you stay silent somewhere in the in
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the back do you spend time with them
talk with them yes i spend i spend time
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with them this project is uh is all
about 10 days spending
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with them okay so this project is 10
days of work with them yes yes yes
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okay okay right these 10 images
specifically this one yes
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yes yes okay okay and did you show the
photos to the community yeah yeah and
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what did they say do they want to
continue with you yes yes they're so
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happy to
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Because these villages are very remote
villages and they don't use to eat
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cameras. So after I entered their
village with camera, they become so
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happy and curious about to like, you
know.
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They have lots of energy.
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They look at the camera.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All right, good. Thank you.
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Thank you. I just am very intrigued in
one thing. So you go to them, right?
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You take their photograph.
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I mean, do you think of giving them
something? I mean, anything.
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Do you give something or like you just
go take photograph and come back? I
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mean, is there any cultural exchange,
any financial exchange or something like
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that? I mean, I'm just curious.
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Do you give them money or something like
what?
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How do you give them back something?
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Some people ask money.
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and i give them but not not more they're
asking about 50 to 100 rupees
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like that and and they're they're happy
because i am
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connected with some young young people
young students also so they
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understand about the process because uh
i tell them i want to document your
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community for future generation because
there are some
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festivals, there are some rituals which
are slowly disappearing.
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So I want to document them and I try to
understand the process
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why I want to document these festivals
and the lifestyle.
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So they understand.
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Amar Prabhakar, this is one question
from your part, right? One part question
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of yours.
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Yeah, I am just putting my question and
i can sort of you can hear
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from lolo also then if there is anything
follow up i can sort of ask now let's go
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to lolo hi lolo hi i don't have a
question thank you
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okay thank you so yeah
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since you can see that
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so do you do you ask them before
photograph these people
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yes i asked them
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i took some permission i mean while i am
going to uh shoot the tattoo community
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people then i took some permission from
them otherwise the landscape
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and the festivals it i i think uh it
didn't No need to take some permission
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because festivals are openly celebrated
because there are lots of photographers
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present here to document festivals and
all. But if I am going deep to document
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the community, then I took permission
from them.
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I have a question.
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Yes, Lolo, please.
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Do you work with...
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How do you say, forms that are asking
for people to sign and
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give away their rights to showcase their
work?
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Agreement forms?
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No, no.
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No, you don't work with that?
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No. I don't. In some part of India, I
mean, again, it's not that
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very much.
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popularized and there are a lot of
slight unethical practices are there,
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what people do.
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I mean, I don't comment on that much. I
have a lot of problem with that. Okay,
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Amarnath, I mean, did he answer your
questions?
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It's not really important that he
answers the question.
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I think it's also, I can also, I've been
into thought, so I know that it might,
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take some time to sort of process it.
But it's very important. I feel that I
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can also hear references in what both my
jury panel members are
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pointing at.
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So I'm not, I'm okay with not getting
the answer because that's not important.
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The question is, I just wanted to open
it up.
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Yeah, probably you're talking about
ethics. The ethics code, right?
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I think that is the central concern.
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Yes.
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I mean, we are also working with a
lineage of colonial photography, looking
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at the energy in a sort of sense, and
the later spaces like National
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Geographic sort of work.
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So, for me, I also don't see that...
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one person's work or one person's act
but as a consortium that is discussing
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the property and the subject is an
indigenous subject i think that was the
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most important uh question i think the
other question i had i think she too
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already answered that this is the 10-day
engagement um yeah so that was how long
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was the engagement
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And maybe the third question is that do
you also think about the writing that
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accompanies the photographs to do? And
if that is the case, what is the nature
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of that writing?
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Like in ideally, there is no... Can you
hear me?
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Yes, yes.
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Ideally, there is no format.
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how would you show that work so do the
images
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accompany any writings into actually i'm
planning to uh
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make a book about northeast india so
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but not now uh it took some time because
there are lots of uh things to document
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Amanat, I just want to conclude in that
way, like I have also some understanding
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that probably a lot of people do not
know all this part of documentation,
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right? I mean, people end up with only
photographing and then put it into
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Instagram and that's all.
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Yeah. So what is documentary, the real
form of documentary?
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unearthed for a lot of people so the
ethical part the writing part probably
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even in past when i have asked few
people about these things these
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questions i'm just sharing my own
understanding so i mean they they stay
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blank or something like that they don't
have any concrete answer on that even
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the ethical part you ask they don't even
know that we have to ask them or they
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don't even consider in their concern how
do them return back to those people whom
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I am going to and I am photographing.
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So probably this is a part which is
lagging in the form of academics,
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photographic academics, which should be
incorporated.
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Well, again, this is my own
understanding what I said, I shared with
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you.
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I know that these spaces that you are
visiting and these interactions with
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these people can be transformative and
I'm looking forward to your work which
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is sort of more expanded than we are
seeing right now.
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Thank you, Sintu.
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Thank you.
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So let's move to our next participant
who will be the one.
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Ayon, okay.
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Hi, Ayon.
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You there?
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are you there yeah am i audible yes you
are can you can you yeah yeah go ahead
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please
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Can I start now?
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Yes. Ritika, can you scroll out of it?
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Yeah. Move up, please. Yeah. Thank you.
Yeah. Please go on.
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First of all, thank you.
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Thank you very much for selecting my
project for the final round.
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Thank you, the jury members and the team
members of INDPC.
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So the title of this project.
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I took from one of the poems by
Palestinian poet Muhammad Darwish.
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So the title is on this land there are
regions to live.
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I am doing this work from the end of
2022.
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It's kind of nearly four years now.
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So the place is situated, the Ajutta
hill is situated in Purulia district
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in West Bengal.
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Pajodha hill region is basically a
tourist spot for
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to the maximum people and I also knew
the hills as a
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tourist destination I visited twice as a
school student and
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for the beauty and the distance from
home kind of things but in 2022
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While I was working on an assignment for
the Caravan Magazine.
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So I was there with a journalist. I was
doing the photo and video works.
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And then the place kind of represented
to me in
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a different way. It came to me in a
different meaning.
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I came to know about some scenario which
were going and till going
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there. So the scenario was kind of
striking to me.
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And since then I have returned
repeatedly
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to the place, staying in the villages
with the villagers.
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And till now I stay there for a long
period of time.
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dividing time with that place and my
home.
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I have spent time with the elders, heard
stories of Marangguru, the deity,
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Jamsim Binti, the creation story of the
community, the Santal community, and the
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animals of the forest.
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And I began reading the Santali
mythology.
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alongside this conversation with the
elder members of the community.
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So, Azadir became more than a landscape
I had visited earlier.
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It became a place of relationship,
memory, work, belief and the
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ongoing resistance, the ongoing
struggle.
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So, the project is saved by the
uncertainty created by
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dam construction, the Hydel project dam
construction in and around this
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landscape and by the possibility that
villages, forests, river systems may be
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altered or submerged.
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Yet this word I can say that not only
about the laws, the impending laws, it
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asks what it means to continue living in
a place
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when The future of the place is planned
elsewhere.
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I also grew up in a village, but that
doesn't make any position the same
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as that of the people I photograph.
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But it helps me recognize that land can
hold more than property or scenery.
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So there is childhood, labor, ritual,
fear, ancestors and belonging.
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attached to a place so the central
question this project asks when
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land is imagined as future
infrastructure what counts as evidence
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that life already exists there whose
memory remains visible and who is
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allowed to keep the record so i am going
with this central question
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For me, evidence is not only the
photograph itself, it's the combination
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of forms. So I am working in this
project with many forms.
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It gradually came to this place.
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At first, I just started about
documenting the place, but sometimes I
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went to the place without the camera
just for staying there to talk with the
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elders and the other
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members of the community, the eldest
women of the community, the village.
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So, this evidence for me is the
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combination of forms.
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A portrait alone can be dismissed as
just an image, but when I place it
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alongside oral testimony, family
photographs, and even camera footage of
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the same forest.
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The villagers depends on. Together they
build kind of evidence that's harder to
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erase.
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Also the anthotype prints, there is one
collage of the anthotype prints.
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So these prints work differently.
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They are fragile, made from plant
pigments, from the medicinal plant
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pigments from the landscape.
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uh from the river and location and uh
they fade over time this this is uh the
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beautiful thing about this amphotype
process so it kind of fade over time so
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i use this fragility uh deliberately
because uh official service and
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engineering reports project is kind of
uh permanent and certainly about the
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land's future
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They try to portray these reports and
kind of things about the land's future.
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But while my materials admit
uncertainty, the contrast itself is part
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of the evidence. It says this land's
future is not settled and neither is the
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record of it.
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So on the memory question, whose memory
remains visible?
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I made choices about those memories
becoming visible and I don't pretend
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that it's neutral.
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I spent time with elders first because
stories like the deity Marangguru and
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the Jaheer Khan and the Jamshim Binti
creation story, so these carry the
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deepest layer of how this land is
understood, not just as forest and
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hills, but as ancestry and belief.
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But I was conscious that focusing only
on elders kind of grief, presenting the
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community as belonging to the past. So I
also photograph present day life,
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the farming, the gathering, daily
routine, the cockfights, the village
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fairs, to show that this isn't a memory
that already lost.
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It's memory that's still being lived and
passed on.
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I know I haven't captured every voice,
especially younger residents, whose
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relationship to these stories may be
more distant.
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And that's a limitation I am aware of,
rather than one I have fully resolved.
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And who is allowed to keep the record?
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So here I am kind of... One more minute.
Okay, okay. So I am just
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ending this part.
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i am kind of very uncomfortable when
this question arrives to me so honestly
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i am an outsider with a camera even
though i grew up in a village but that
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doesn't justify this so but it doesn't
make my position the
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same as the santali family side
photograph official bodies keep their
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record through service and damn project
documentation and that record tends to
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erase the very relationship my work
tries to show.
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I don't think my photographs replace or
overwrite that, but they exist as a, you
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can say, counter-archive or alternative
archive.
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And insistent that live exists here, on
terms the official record doesn't
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recognize. What I try to do practically
is spend real time in the villages, seek
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consent at each stage. I wait for long
times to click on images,
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or kind of these things and um yeah and
i don't think that um
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fully answers who is allowed to keep the
record question but uh it's how i
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try to keep my own practice honest
inside the question so yeah uh i think
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that's all thank you so amarnath yes you
have a question
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Shravan, you're on mute. We can go to
Q&A session after the jury comments,
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right? So, Amarnath.
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Hi. Thank you for your presentation.
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Can you hear me?
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Yeah, I can hear you.
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The thing is that I am so audible to
myself, so I cannot hear. I don't know
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if other people are hearing.
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I enjoyed your presentation and the way
you were kind of describing the project.
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um i have some questions about specific
images and then a kind of larger
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question yeah the third image would seem
to be a kind of
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um overlay uh yeah you can say yeah yeah
or photo montage
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yeah uh uh say again please
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is it a dinosaur
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No, actually this is a screenshot of the
trap camera footage which I
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placed on one of my landscape photos.
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So, can I also say the reasons behind
this process
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or it's okay?
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Is it a dinosaur or not? No, I got my
answer.
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that it's actually a trap cam uh
photograph overlay digitally on a
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landscape photograph that you've made
right okay yeah perfect um i just want
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you to talk about the anthotypes and the
typology of that which is
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really interesting but i want you to
know what's the logic behind uh
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the anthotypes okay uh so uh uh
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Two years ago, while I was talking with
Shombu Tudu, Shombu Tudu is a
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priest and a Koviraj of the Borilohar
village where I used to stay.
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So while talking with him in the
evening, then he started telling me
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about the medicinal value of the plants
of the area.
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So which may be uh maybe which may be uh
gone if the band the
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dam will build there so then then the
next morning i went to the
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forest with him and he started showing
me the small plants the big plants the
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roots which are useful to their
community and they are depending on
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those things for a very long time and uh
this kind of
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So while I started studying about
photography history, there is a book
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called British Algae by Anna Atkins who
was a botanist and a photographer who
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just archived the botanical elements
with the cyanotype process.
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So this kind of made me think about if I
can just
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start it, archive these medicinal plants
with that way.
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But I don't want to use cyanotype
process because in cyanotype process
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there are kind of some, as my background
is in chemistry, so I know that there
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is, there are kind of chemical waste
there in the cyanotype process. So I
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didn't want to use this process. Then I
think about alternative process. Then I
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became know about this anthotype which
is very much environmental friendly.
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And there is also a thing that this
print feeds over time.
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So this is kind of very metaphoric, you
can say to me.
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So this plan may not be there after 10
years.
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This knowledge also may be not there
after 10 years because the generational
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gap is also there and the land
alienation is also there happening
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through dam building, through resort
kind of thing.
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So that's why I started thinking. So
what I started doing that I...
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made some prints and then after six
months or seven months I started
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seeing the prints. They are gradually
fading.
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So this fades kind of connecting with
the existing problem with the landscape
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and the community.
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So that's why I am trying to archive
this.
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did you follow that with just you had
paid the other types i i made the prints
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on a four seat uh the fabriano kind of
paper and then i uh when
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uh at the first stage i scan this with
my phone and then after six or seven
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months i scan again the prints and then
uh did this collage kind of uh showing
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the continuous fading of the images here
I got an answer. Last question is
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regarding the text and the image.
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Okay.
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So, the oral story and the mythological
stories are very important
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for my mind. Can I ask a question,
please?
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Oh, sorry.
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I wanted to know about the origin of
that story. And second, your choice of
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language.
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What is the community's language?
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No, it's not the community's language,
obviously.
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The story is actually the oral stories
from the landscape.
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But yeah, after you asking me this
question, it will be better if I can
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write in the local language so that they
can also understand the image.
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But yeah, this language is obviously
not.
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It's just for my understanding.
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I'm curious that the text, the English
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text, the short story that we see is
actually a translation that you have
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made from the local folklore?
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No, local folklore not. But I heard this
story from one of the elders.
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uh from uh village and what language
what language that was that was
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bengali language in another dialect but
bengali language here okay thank you
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thank you thank you olivia uh yeah hello
um i had
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exactly the same question So I have
already the answer.
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But I'm not sure I understood.
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If you just explain in like two
sentences the ontotype, why did you
463
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choose to add it in your series?
464
00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:03,470
I'm not sure I understood.
465
00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:05,549
That's why.
466
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:12,330
If I can, I have to express in two
sentences,
467
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:13,390
then I can say that.
468
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:21,340
I choose the anthotype process to make
an archive
469
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:27,960
of a fading knowledge and a
470
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,520
fading indigenous knowledge and for the
471
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:38,700
fading nature of the prints. This is the
two
472
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,180
main reasons.
473
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,800
Yeah, okay.
474
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:43,660
Right. I understood.
475
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:44,920
Okay. Thank you.
476
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,760
Thank you. Lolo, you there?
477
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Yes, I'm here, but I don't have a
question.
478
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,460
You don't have a question. Okay. Thank
you. Shravan, you had a question.
479
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:58,120
Shravan, can you be quick? Because we
have one more question.
480
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,160
Yes, yes.
481
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,240
I just had a question.
482
00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:06,600
Do they speak in Alchiki as well, which
is a language?
483
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:10,760
Alchiki is actually the written form.
484
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:17,830
And Olchiki also actually kind of there
is Olchiki actually from
485
00:42:17,830 --> 00:42:22,210
the Odisha Santali communities, the
origin of the Olchiki. But the other
486
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:29,170
Santal communities, it's kind of there
is a tendency to not kind of follow the
487
00:42:29,170 --> 00:42:32,930
scriptures. Some follow, some didn't
follow.
488
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:35,550
Okay, okay. Thank you.
489
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:38,170
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Ayan.
490
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:43,510
Thank you. So now we have our last
participant, Orun. Hi, Orun. You there?
491
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:50,670
Orun, you there?
492
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:52,030
Yes.
493
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:53,670
Yes, hi.
494
00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:58,710
So that's just out of context question.
495
00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:03,830
So are you organizing very recently, I
mean,
496
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:06,530
residency program okay
497
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:14,490
go
498
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:15,490
ahead please
499
00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:56,910
thank you yeah now your time starts yeah
can i speak now everyone here yes
500
00:43:56,910 --> 00:44:01,170
because they are running out of time
okay
501
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:06,750
the uh the project called traces okay
502
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:13,690
uh as a photographer i carry a lot of
memory with uh i have some
503
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:19,910
childhood memory with the land with the
festival with the daily habits like that
504
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:23,440
so that's how i started the project
around 24.
505
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:29,040
first i planning to do with the uh with
the flame because i like the flames and
506
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,460
i want to keep it uh some archival
images okay not look like a digital
507
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:42,160
image i plan to do that uh like archival
images later i learned about uh the mile
508
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:48,380
print method in last year 2025 end i
think december or now on november or
509
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:49,339
december
510
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:55,840
that time i learned about gamma oil
printing method so after that i check my
511
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:02,840
editing image i choose to do the comma
oil sometimes i i try to find what
512
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:09,520
can i do with the gamma imprint then i
carry the images like around 20 or 50
513
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:16,320
images with the gamma oil print there is
a lot of story to tell to me okay
514
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,900
not everyone it's like a it's tell to
story first of all to me when i connect
515
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:28,260
the images it's like uh the festivals
their memory the memory with the
516
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:35,160
landscape and that um and in the
childhood time i see
517
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:42,140
the one of your one of the beautiful art
i discovered in my childhood i
518
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:44,960
see the one of person bring the beer you
see that images
519
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:51,910
Once upon a time, Indians, instead of
drinking beer with their
520
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:57,730
master, they do some circus things for
their daily routines.
521
00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:04,610
So I quite... That time I don't have a
camera because I'm a small boy, like
522
00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:05,610
something like that.
523
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:10,990
Then I grew up, there is no certain
culture now, but I see some unusual
524
00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:12,910
things, like elephants, horses.
525
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,320
So, I can prove them with this project.
526
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,800
Yes. So, this is all about your project,
right? So, I'll go and move to jury.
527
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:28,580
Avanath?
528
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:31,760
Hi, Arun. Can you hear me?
529
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can hear.
530
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Yeah. Thank you for your project and
your presentation.
531
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,240
I wanted to know more about
532
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,040
The community?
533
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:46,800
The locality?
534
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,200
No, no, no. It's not a single community
or single locality. It's all around the
535
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,158
Tamil Nadu.
536
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,280
All around the Tamil Nadu land and the
festival. Not single land.
537
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:58,080
It's around the Tamil Nadu land.
538
00:46:58,340 --> 00:47:02,100
It's a lot of cultural land.
539
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,580
One thing is hill land. One thing is sea
land.
540
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,600
One thing is crabs land.
541
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,800
So I bring all the images, like not a
single community or not a single
542
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,660
location. The project doesn't need a
single location.
543
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:19,660
Okay.
544
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:25,500
Because I want to do all the location
bring to the core memory of stuff.
545
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,240
Yeah.
546
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,900
Okay. That's very clear.
547
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,900
My second question is that could you
walk us through a little bit of your
548
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:38,020
methodology? Because we as
549
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,080
people who appreciate your work. Amar,
550
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:43,940
can you repeat the question?
551
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:50,060
Yes. Can you take us through your
methodology in terms of, do you shoot
552
00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:55,880
digital first and then you sort of turn
them into gum oil prints?
553
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,600
What is your, I mean, I'm just curious
about you photographing and how that
554
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,900
transforms into a historical process.
555
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,440
No, no.
556
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:12,200
i didn't shoot a digital for this
process it's all i think one or two
557
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:18,980
images only digital remaining all the
film film only okay the project needs
558
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:23,240
the digital that's why i choose only two
images in the digital i everything is a
559
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:30,140
film when i do the i like to do the
alternative things i try to find i
560
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:36,700
try to learn so when i in 2023 i i
selected for the residency called the
561
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:43,440
masculinity studio in delhi where i'd uh
i learned about uh film developing and
562
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,920
silver delton fronting process the same
lab they described about the gum oil
563
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:55,020
print i have a they have a gum oil print
book it's a lovely book so i carry that
564
00:48:55,020 --> 00:49:01,720
book with them uh i read that book how
the process will go Then after that I am
565
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,880
going to do some other work. I started a
lab previously.
566
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,440
I started a lab with silvertail printing
process.
567
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,200
After 2025,
568
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,980
I just curiously about to put a YouTube
videos how to do gamal print.
569
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:24,580
There is one Japanese artist, I forget
the name. Just you put a name in gamal
570
00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:27,720
print, the first video is called then
that is Japan's photographer.
571
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:34,500
I saw that video because a lot of people
told me that Gamayal is a very different
572
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:39,320
project. You can't do it without help or
something like that. Then I saw the
573
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,320
video.
574
00:49:40,340 --> 00:49:41,340
Okay, we can try.
575
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:42,920
But we can't do it.
576
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,180
Then after that, with the help of
YouTube and obviously, Chrome and ZagGPT
577
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:51,980
helped. That time, I learned about
Gamayal.
578
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,040
Then, in my...
579
00:49:56,170 --> 00:50:02,010
i live in the small place i don't have
the digital negatives so i asked a
580
00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:06,330
question some of people do who do the
gamma printer they said they in local
581
00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:13,110
printing shop there is one sheet called
the osp sheets yeah but the
582
00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:18,970
ohp sheet not carry because the gamma
will print need a image with a
583
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:24,130
good things not every minute not every
image we can do that
584
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,680
Okay. So, that whole issue I went
through.
585
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,560
Then I collected the local chart.
586
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,840
Then I tried to find what can I do.
587
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,880
Then I will do the altmos.
588
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,600
Okay. Thanks. Thanks.
589
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:41,420
Those are the kind of things that I
wanted to know.
590
00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:48,100
My last question is that when in this
process, and this is my reading of your
591
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:53,240
work, that why so many things very
effectively?
592
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,740
it also, and it's not a demerit, but it
also hides many things from us. Have you
593
00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:01,740
thought about this?
594
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:08,020
Like, let's say the image and its
context as opposed to
595
00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:14,940
the descriptive quality of images is
taken over by a kind of
596
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:16,740
material quality of the model.
597
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,680
Right? So, have you thought or do you
have any comments on this?
598
00:51:25,729 --> 00:51:32,350
For example, as opposed to a digital
format or
599
00:51:32,350 --> 00:51:39,270
even a 35mm Tmax
600
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:46,050
black and white exposure, the
information that
601
00:51:46,050 --> 00:51:48,150
the image gives us is less.
602
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,720
Many things are obscured by the process,
by the stroke, by the brush stroke,
603
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:59,320
right? You have to actually, sort of
like painting, sort of develop the
604
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,980
image. Have you thought that?
605
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,420
Now I understand that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to the same or play the method.
606
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,880
It's like a... It's not like a
photograph. It's not like a printing.
607
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:10,800
It's like a... I want to like a
painting.
608
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,020
Not like a certain painting. But it
looks like a painting.
609
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:19,120
If someone sees the prints, oh, it's not
a printing or a photograph. It's like
610
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,120
a... it's like a painting yeah yeah i
know that yeah i want to carry that and
611
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:30,260
and do you work with different sizes or
this is all uh one aspect no no right
612
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:35,280
now i have only a4 faces in my place you
know i go to some other places now they
613
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,600
have a different different size but
right now my place will have only a4
614
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,080
space control so i can do all the
printers they are like a4 size yeah okay
615
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,220
thank you so much thank you thank you
616
00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:53,880
From my side, I understood the project
very well. For me, everything is clear.
617
00:52:54,060 --> 00:52:55,060
It's beautiful.
618
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:56,540
It's very good. Thank you.
619
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:58,820
So I don't have more questions.
620
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,100
I wanted to know how do you plan on
showing the work?
621
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,020
Definitely installation only. I can't
bury the book from my print.
622
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,000
A book?
623
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,600
No, no. I can't carry the book with the
Gamal print. I want to show the
624
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,940
exhibition way, installation.
625
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:26,940
Oh, okay.
626
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:32,100
I didn't carry the book like a Gamal
print, this type of book. I can't carry.
627
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,880
So I want to do the installation only,
like exhibition.
628
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:42,900
Okay. Alright. And what size are the
images, if I may ask?
629
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:45,820
It's all images in A4 sizes.
630
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:47,780
A4.
631
00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:50,450
A4. Yeah.
632
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:54,190
A4. Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah, wait.
I'll show the one after me. Wait.
633
00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:00,410
You
634
00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:09,610
have
635
00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:10,730
one handy with you, Arun?
636
00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:13,130
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
637
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:16,910
Ah.
638
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:18,070
Okay.
639
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:24,070
Okay. And do you see them as that size
or do you think you can see them bigger?
640
00:54:29,710 --> 00:54:32,170
Can you increase the size?
641
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:37,790
He's on mute. You are on mute.
642
00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:39,010
You are on mute.
643
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:41,650
Oh.
644
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:42,990
Hello.
645
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:45,890
Yes, we can hear you.
646
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:54,350
Can you see them in a bigger size format
or do you only... Yeah, I can do, but in
647
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:58,050
my place, I don't have that facility in
my place. Okay.
648
00:54:58,630 --> 00:55:00,170
I can do it. I can do.
649
00:55:01,070 --> 00:55:02,070
Okay.
650
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:05,630
Thank you, Arun. Thank you. Thank you.
651
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:11,150
Jury, I just want a concluding remark
from each of you. If there is any,
652
00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:16,090
Amarnath, Alizian, Lolo, because we have
all of our presentations done.
653
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:19,300
So let's start with Amarnath.
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