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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Proceed? 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:02,580 Yes. Okay, go ahead. 3 00:00:02,900 --> 00:00:05,660 So, we have the negative person, Shintu. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,380 Shintu, you are from Assam, right? 5 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:11,099 Yes, yes. 6 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:14,480 What is the present scenario, the flat scenario in Assam right now? 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,120 It's fine right now. 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,620 Okay, it's fine. Okay. 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,280 So, yes. 10 00:00:28,650 --> 00:00:31,250 Can you come on camera please so that we can see you? 11 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:33,870 This is the first time probably all of us meeting. 12 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:37,450 Thank you. 13 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:17,210 Thank you. Yeah, Sintu, go ahead. 14 00:01:18,790 --> 00:01:23,630 My story is all about one-shot community of Arunachal Pradesh. 15 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:31,010 And I am documenting this community 16 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:32,150 from last two years. 17 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:37,190 Their traditional tattoos, hunting practices, and 18 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:43,930 the way they live, their 19 00:01:43,930 --> 00:01:44,930 lifestyle. 20 00:01:45,710 --> 00:01:46,790 and everything. 21 00:01:47,750 --> 00:01:52,910 I also have photographs from their festivals also. 22 00:01:53,130 --> 00:01:59,610 But in this competition I didn't submit the festival photos because the 23 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:04,350 main festival of one show community is called Orya festival and I feel this 24 00:02:04,350 --> 00:02:06,250 festival is becoming more commercialized nowadays. 25 00:02:06,730 --> 00:02:13,530 So that's why I submit all those photographs without festival 26 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:14,530 photos. 27 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:21,700 So the first photograph is a house. I started the series with a photograph of 28 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:23,360 a traditional one-store house. 29 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:28,400 I wanted to introduce the place before introducing the people. 30 00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:36,480 The houses and the surroundings give the viewer a sense of whatever, where the 31 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,340 story is taking place and how people live in that environment. 32 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:49,310 The second the second photograph so shown or shown omen getting harvest 33 00:02:49,310 --> 00:02:54,050 basket I Wanted to bring the viewers into the daily work. 34 00:02:54,550 --> 00:03:00,530 I like the fact that they were not posing for me they were simply doing 35 00:03:00,530 --> 00:03:06,770 something that was part of the normal day and And the third and the third 36 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:09,810 photograph of a grandmother carrying a baby 37 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:13,320 while walking with green. 38 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:19,480 This was a very simple moment but for me it shows many things together 39 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:25,500 like work, family, different generation. 40 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:31,500 I like these kinds of moments because they happen naturally and don't need to 41 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:34,220 be created for the camera. 42 00:03:34,940 --> 00:03:39,020 Then I include the photograph of the bamboo classroom. 43 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:46,150 I felt this was important because I didn't want to show the one-show 44 00:03:46,150 --> 00:03:50,610 community only through their traditional life. The school represents the younger 45 00:03:50,610 --> 00:03:54,490 generation and some of the changes happening in the community. 46 00:03:55,570 --> 00:03:58,750 It shows that their life is not frozen in the past. 47 00:04:00,030 --> 00:04:06,130 And the fifth photograph shows a hunter with a gun and a bird. 48 00:04:08,060 --> 00:04:12,760 hunting was one of the things that first made me curious about the one show 49 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:19,560 community while i visited in some of the communities i 50 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,760 visited hunting is still connected with their way of life and i wanted to 51 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,920 document it as something i observed there without trying to make it look uh 52 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:36,620 heroic or dramatic so after that i include the photograph of the woman 53 00:04:41,419 --> 00:04:46,500 I wanted to show another part of the everyday life and traditional skill. 54 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:54,580 Weaving shows work, patience and knowledge that has been passed 55 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:56,760 down through generations. 56 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,700 The next two photographs focus on traditional tattoos. 57 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,680 The tattoos are one of the first things that attracted me to this community. 58 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:12,580 They are connected with their identity and history, but I didn't want to 59 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:14,040 photograph only the tattoo itself. 60 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:18,060 I wanted to show the people behind the traditions as well. 61 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:26,920 In the photograph of the tattooed woman, I didn't ask her to remove 62 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,620 her clothes or pose in the way. 63 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:36,970 her son came and asked her to show the tattoo because he wanted me to document 64 00:05:36,970 --> 00:05:42,890 them properly and after he explained that this was how she had traditionally 65 00:05:42,890 --> 00:05:49,470 lived earlier and that in that context uh it was not uh unusual from them 66 00:05:49,470 --> 00:05:56,090 unusual for them uh i understand that uh that time have changed and people 67 00:05:56,090 --> 00:06:01,890 don't necessarily live in the same way today for me The important part of the 68 00:06:01,890 --> 00:06:07,310 photograph was documenting the tattoo and history connected to them, not the 69 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:08,510 nudity itself. 70 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:14,690 And the next photograph is the portrait of the elderly tattooed woman. I 71 00:06:14,690 --> 00:06:19,090 included it because I wanted to move from showing the tattoo to showing the 72 00:06:19,090 --> 00:06:20,029 person himself. 73 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:24,550 Her face is an expression telling another part of the story. 74 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:30,790 The tetu is the part of her identity but she is more than the tetu. 75 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:34,890 The ninth photograph shows a young boy carrying a hunted animal. 76 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:40,490 I included this because it connects the practice of hunting with the younger 77 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:41,490 generations. 78 00:06:41,890 --> 00:06:47,470 It shows how children grow up around these activities and learn from the 79 00:06:47,470 --> 00:06:51,890 people around them. I didn't include it to shock the viewer. 80 00:06:52,210 --> 00:06:57,160 It is simply something I experienced and uh felt was important important to the 81 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:03,680 story finally i end with the photograph of the child carrying another child 82 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,000 while elderly they took couple in the background this is probably 83 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,160 sorry uh 84 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:19,760 this is probably my favorite photograph from the series there are different 85 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,960 generation in one frame the older generation in the background and the 86 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,640 children in from front for me it creates a connection between the past present 87 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:35,300 and future so so i don't believe these 10 photographs can 88 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:39,740 represent the entire one so community they are only my personal experience and 89 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:46,700 my observation of the people and places i was able to spend time with thank 90 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:53,580 you yeah thank you i just want to know one question so i mean this 91 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:58,420 is not very clear to me before i move to the judge what is your specific story is 92 00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:05,040 there any specific story you have from the project this is all about their 93 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:11,140 daily life daily lifestyle of one so community okay thank you now go let's 94 00:08:11,140 --> 00:08:12,140 move to the jury 95 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:29,560 I think I have some community-centric questions, which I think is the concern 96 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,659 or the kind of area of interest and attention for me. 97 00:08:35,380 --> 00:08:37,900 How long was your engagement with the community? 98 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:41,260 What was the process of access? 99 00:08:44,220 --> 00:08:45,860 It is an ongoing project. 100 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:52,560 uh it's been two years from uh documenting this tribe actually i am i 101 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:59,280 am documenting the entire northeast from last four four five years and this one 102 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:05,140 so community is one of them okay um 103 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:12,060 so there was a very interesting anecdote that he said that the 104 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:14,380 son of the mother wanted 105 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,580 You document, can you hear me well? 106 00:09:19,580 --> 00:09:20,580 Sorry? 107 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:22,340 Can you hear me well? 108 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:23,620 Yes, yes, yes. 109 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:30,100 There was an interesting anecdote that you said about the son wanting to 110 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:36,680 document the mother's tattoos, which led me to the question that in a 111 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:42,380 project like this, how do you ensure content? 112 00:09:43,470 --> 00:09:49,070 uh dignity of representation and also this aspect of giving back to the 113 00:09:49,070 --> 00:09:55,390 communities it is important sorry i can't hear you properly no question 114 00:09:55,390 --> 00:10:02,190 okay in your internet because the internet 115 00:10:02,190 --> 00:10:08,710 problem probably yes yes okay i'll try again can you hear me now 116 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:14,500 yes yes okay perfect So my first question, I was 117 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:20,760 talking about the anecdote that you shared with us. Yeah? 118 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:24,380 Can you hear me? 119 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:25,780 Yes, please. 120 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:32,200 Yeah. The anecdote that you shared of the son wanting to die, 121 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,480 right? So from that, there is a kind of engagement with the community, which is 122 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,480 very clear. 123 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:48,040 My question is that, I think it's two-part, the question is, how do you 124 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,720 ensure consent, you know, dignity of representation? 125 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,720 And also, how do you give to the community, or if it is an important part 126 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:01,720 of your process? 127 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:07,740 Because that's my central question when you are talking, you're documenting any 128 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:08,740 Indigenous community. 129 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:16,290 Shintu, can you understand the question? 130 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:19,150 Yes, yes. 131 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:20,230 Okay. 132 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:38,530 You there? 133 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:43,290 You have any answer? I mean, you can... 134 00:11:43,610 --> 00:11:46,230 It's an open question. 135 00:11:49,510 --> 00:11:52,410 I can type it for you if you did not hear. 136 00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:58,010 You need to give me more than that. 137 00:11:59,070 --> 00:12:03,850 You need to tell me what your answer is or did you not hear the question 138 00:12:03,850 --> 00:12:04,850 properly? 139 00:12:05,330 --> 00:12:08,710 Yes, I didn't hear the question properly. Some words are breaking. 140 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:12,510 Okay. I'm going to type the question. 141 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:20,020 okay okay so during that time can you shift to olivia 142 00:12:20,020 --> 00:12:26,720 lolo yeah yeah yes olivia i was wondering if you you 143 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:33,400 you choose this community um or or the the it was a coincidence or you 144 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,900 documented this kind of indigenous community to find them 145 00:12:39,530 --> 00:12:43,710 actually i'm so interested in this kind of community because in northeast india 146 00:12:43,710 --> 00:12:50,230 there are lots of uh communities tribal communities and there are uh some 147 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:54,670 friends some college friends in arunachal pradesh and i connect with 148 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:59,330 them and then got some information about this one show community and after 149 00:12:59,330 --> 00:13:06,270 hearing uh about about the cultures and their lifestyle i'm so interested in uh 150 00:13:06,270 --> 00:13:12,610 interesting about documenting their life so after that i am 151 00:13:12,610 --> 00:13:19,450 engaged with this community okay okay and um do you share with them i mean 152 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:25,250 you involve them in the in the process or you stay silent somewhere in the in 153 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:31,390 the back do you spend time with them talk with them yes i spend i spend time 154 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:38,160 with them this project is uh is all about 10 days spending 155 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:45,040 with them okay so this project is 10 days of work with them yes yes yes 156 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:51,900 okay okay right these 10 images specifically this one yes 157 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:58,880 yes yes okay okay and did you show the photos to the community yeah yeah and 158 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,660 what did they say do they want to continue with you yes yes they're so 159 00:14:04,660 --> 00:14:05,660 happy to 160 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:11,840 Because these villages are very remote villages and they don't use to eat 161 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,300 cameras. So after I entered their village with camera, they become so 162 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:19,340 happy and curious about to like, you know. 163 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,980 They have lots of energy. 164 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:24,860 They look at the camera. 165 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:26,220 Yeah, yeah. 166 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,060 All right, good. Thank you. 167 00:14:29,260 --> 00:14:34,360 Thank you. I just am very intrigued in one thing. So you go to them, right? 168 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,800 You take their photograph. 169 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:41,600 I mean, do you think of giving them something? I mean, anything. 170 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Do you give something or like you just go take photograph and come back? I 171 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,780 mean, is there any cultural exchange, any financial exchange or something like 172 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:54,180 that? I mean, I'm just curious. 173 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,980 Do you give them money or something like what? 174 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,640 How do you give them back something? 175 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,100 Some people ask money. 176 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,700 and i give them but not not more they're asking about 50 to 100 rupees 177 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:18,180 like that and and they're they're happy because i am 178 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:25,140 connected with some young young people young students also so they 179 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:29,440 understand about the process because uh i tell them i want to document your 180 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,920 community for future generation because there are some 181 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:37,990 festivals, there are some rituals which are slowly disappearing. 182 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:44,730 So I want to document them and I try to understand the process 183 00:15:44,730 --> 00:15:48,790 why I want to document these festivals and the lifestyle. 184 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:50,570 So they understand. 185 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:56,790 Amar Prabhakar, this is one question from your part, right? One part question 186 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:57,790 of yours. 187 00:16:00,370 --> 00:16:06,950 Yeah, I am just putting my question and i can sort of you can hear 188 00:16:06,950 --> 00:16:13,710 from lolo also then if there is anything follow up i can sort of ask now let's go 189 00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:19,850 to lolo hi lolo hi i don't have a question thank you 190 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:26,110 okay thank you so yeah 191 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:28,050 since you can see that 192 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,860 so do you do you ask them before photograph these people 193 00:16:48,860 --> 00:16:55,080 yes i asked them 194 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:01,820 i took some permission i mean while i am going to uh shoot the tattoo community 195 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:08,720 people then i took some permission from them otherwise the landscape 196 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:15,210 and the festivals it i i think uh it didn't No need to take some permission 197 00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:20,170 because festivals are openly celebrated because there are lots of photographers 198 00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:25,750 present here to document festivals and all. But if I am going deep to document 199 00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:29,870 the community, then I took permission from them. 200 00:17:32,890 --> 00:17:34,450 I have a question. 201 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:36,850 Yes, Lolo, please. 202 00:17:38,590 --> 00:17:40,950 Do you work with... 203 00:17:42,540 --> 00:17:49,340 How do you say, forms that are asking for people to sign and 204 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:53,260 give away their rights to showcase their work? 205 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,780 Agreement forms? 206 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,280 No, no. 207 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,320 No, you don't work with that? 208 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:10,820 No. I don't. In some part of India, I mean, again, it's not that 209 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:11,820 very much. 210 00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:17,480 popularized and there are a lot of slight unethical practices are there, 211 00:18:17,620 --> 00:18:18,620 what people do. 212 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,520 I mean, I don't comment on that much. I have a lot of problem with that. Okay, 213 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:27,240 Amarnath, I mean, did he answer your questions? 214 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,620 It's not really important that he answers the question. 215 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:40,300 I think it's also, I can also, I've been into thought, so I know that it might, 216 00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:46,450 take some time to sort of process it. But it's very important. I feel that I 217 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:53,130 can also hear references in what both my jury panel members are 218 00:18:53,130 --> 00:18:54,130 pointing at. 219 00:18:54,950 --> 00:19:00,990 So I'm not, I'm okay with not getting the answer because that's not important. 220 00:19:01,070 --> 00:19:04,930 The question is, I just wanted to open it up. 221 00:19:05,530 --> 00:19:09,330 Yeah, probably you're talking about ethics. The ethics code, right? 222 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,640 I think that is the central concern. 223 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:15,220 Yes. 224 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:22,620 I mean, we are also working with a lineage of colonial photography, looking 225 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:28,580 at the energy in a sort of sense, and the later spaces like National 226 00:19:28,580 --> 00:19:30,400 Geographic sort of work. 227 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:34,860 So, for me, I also don't see that... 228 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:39,760 one person's work or one person's act but as a consortium that is discussing 229 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,940 the property and the subject is an indigenous subject i think that was the 230 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:50,920 most important uh question i think the other question i had i think she too 231 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:56,440 already answered that this is the 10-day engagement um yeah so that was how long 232 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,440 was the engagement 233 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,560 And maybe the third question is that do you also think about the writing that 234 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:10,640 accompanies the photographs to do? And if that is the case, what is the nature 235 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,640 of that writing? 236 00:20:13,820 --> 00:20:18,320 Like in ideally, there is no... Can you hear me? 237 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:20,360 Yes, yes. 238 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,140 Ideally, there is no format. 239 00:20:27,370 --> 00:20:33,970 how would you show that work so do the images 240 00:20:33,970 --> 00:20:39,790 accompany any writings into actually i'm planning to uh 241 00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:46,630 make a book about northeast india so 242 00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:52,710 but not now uh it took some time because there are lots of uh things to document 243 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,900 Amanat, I just want to conclude in that way, like I have also some understanding 244 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:07,100 that probably a lot of people do not know all this part of documentation, 245 00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:12,260 right? I mean, people end up with only photographing and then put it into 246 00:21:12,260 --> 00:21:13,320 Instagram and that's all. 247 00:21:13,820 --> 00:21:17,540 Yeah. So what is documentary, the real form of documentary? 248 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,620 unearthed for a lot of people so the ethical part the writing part probably 249 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:27,500 even in past when i have asked few people about these things these 250 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:33,040 questions i'm just sharing my own understanding so i mean they they stay 251 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,300 blank or something like that they don't have any concrete answer on that even 252 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:43,260 the ethical part you ask they don't even know that we have to ask them or they 253 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:48,090 don't even consider in their concern how do them return back to those people whom 254 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:49,850 I am going to and I am photographing. 255 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:54,550 So probably this is a part which is lagging in the form of academics, 256 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:57,510 photographic academics, which should be incorporated. 257 00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:02,250 Well, again, this is my own understanding what I said, I shared with 258 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:03,250 you. 259 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:12,870 I know that these spaces that you are visiting and these interactions with 260 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:18,690 these people can be transformative and I'm looking forward to your work which 261 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:24,410 is sort of more expanded than we are seeing right now. 262 00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:27,990 Thank you, Sintu. 263 00:22:28,350 --> 00:22:29,350 Thank you. 264 00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:33,590 So let's move to our next participant who will be the one. 265 00:22:36,430 --> 00:22:37,430 Ayon, okay. 266 00:22:37,670 --> 00:22:38,670 Hi, Ayon. 267 00:22:40,670 --> 00:22:41,670 You there? 268 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:57,780 are you there yeah am i audible yes you are can you can you yeah yeah go ahead 269 00:22:57,780 --> 00:22:58,780 please 270 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,560 Can I start now? 271 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,100 Yes. Ritika, can you scroll out of it? 272 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:05,160 Yeah. Move up, please. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Please go on. 273 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,280 First of all, thank you. 274 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:12,680 Thank you very much for selecting my project for the final round. 275 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:18,080 Thank you, the jury members and the team members of INDPC. 276 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,920 So the title of this project. 277 00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:30,490 I took from one of the poems by Palestinian poet Muhammad Darwish. 278 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:33,790 So the title is on this land there are regions to live. 279 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:40,750 I am doing this work from the end of 2022. 280 00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:43,210 It's kind of nearly four years now. 281 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:51,030 So the place is situated, the Ajutta hill is situated in Purulia district 282 00:24:51,030 --> 00:24:52,410 in West Bengal. 283 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,980 Pajodha hill region is basically a tourist spot for 284 00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:06,800 to the maximum people and I also knew the hills as a 285 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:13,560 tourist destination I visited twice as a school student and 286 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:20,440 for the beauty and the distance from home kind of things but in 2022 287 00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:25,710 While I was working on an assignment for the Caravan Magazine. 288 00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:31,070 So I was there with a journalist. I was doing the photo and video works. 289 00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:39,210 And then the place kind of represented to me in 290 00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:43,250 a different way. It came to me in a different meaning. 291 00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:52,490 I came to know about some scenario which were going and till going 292 00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:58,530 there. So the scenario was kind of striking to me. 293 00:25:59,330 --> 00:26:05,410 And since then I have returned repeatedly 294 00:26:05,410 --> 00:26:09,410 to the place, staying in the villages with the villagers. 295 00:26:09,730 --> 00:26:15,010 And till now I stay there for a long period of time. 296 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:18,270 dividing time with that place and my home. 297 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:25,750 I have spent time with the elders, heard stories of Marangguru, the deity, 298 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:31,510 Jamsim Binti, the creation story of the community, the Santal community, and the 299 00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:32,670 animals of the forest. 300 00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:38,710 And I began reading the Santali mythology. 301 00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:44,730 alongside this conversation with the elder members of the community. 302 00:26:45,610 --> 00:26:51,150 So, Azadir became more than a landscape I had visited earlier. 303 00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:58,270 It became a place of relationship, memory, work, belief and the 304 00:26:58,270 --> 00:27:00,650 ongoing resistance, the ongoing struggle. 305 00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:08,590 So, the project is saved by the uncertainty created by 306 00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:14,050 dam construction, the Hydel project dam construction in and around this 307 00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:20,170 landscape and by the possibility that villages, forests, river systems may be 308 00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:21,690 altered or submerged. 309 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:29,130 Yet this word I can say that not only about the laws, the impending laws, it 310 00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:35,750 asks what it means to continue living in a place 311 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:41,590 when The future of the place is planned elsewhere. 312 00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:50,390 I also grew up in a village, but that doesn't make any position the same 313 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,810 as that of the people I photograph. 314 00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:59,270 But it helps me recognize that land can hold more than property or scenery. 315 00:27:59,630 --> 00:28:06,310 So there is childhood, labor, ritual, fear, ancestors and belonging. 316 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:13,360 attached to a place so the central question this project asks when 317 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:19,360 land is imagined as future infrastructure what counts as evidence 318 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,820 that life already exists there whose memory remains visible and who is 319 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:30,080 allowed to keep the record so i am going with this central question 320 00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:39,390 For me, evidence is not only the photograph itself, it's the combination 321 00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:46,290 of forms. So I am working in this project with many forms. 322 00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:50,430 It gradually came to this place. 323 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:56,470 At first, I just started about documenting the place, but sometimes I 324 00:28:56,470 --> 00:29:01,190 went to the place without the camera just for staying there to talk with the 325 00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:02,450 elders and the other 326 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:10,140 members of the community, the eldest women of the community, the village. 327 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:19,760 So, this evidence for me is the 328 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,540 combination of forms. 329 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:28,720 A portrait alone can be dismissed as just an image, but when I place it 330 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,660 alongside oral testimony, family photographs, and even camera footage of 331 00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:35,660 the same forest. 332 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:43,360 The villagers depends on. Together they build kind of evidence that's harder to 333 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,360 erase. 334 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:50,340 Also the anthotype prints, there is one collage of the anthotype prints. 335 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,780 So these prints work differently. 336 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,060 They are fragile, made from plant pigments, from the medicinal plant 337 00:29:59,060 --> 00:30:00,780 pigments from the landscape. 338 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,460 uh from the river and location and uh they fade over time this this is uh the 339 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:12,720 beautiful thing about this amphotype process so it kind of fade over time so 340 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,400 i use this fragility uh deliberately because uh official service and 341 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:25,060 engineering reports project is kind of uh permanent and certainly about the 342 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:26,060 land's future 343 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,280 They try to portray these reports and kind of things about the land's future. 344 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:40,280 But while my materials admit uncertainty, the contrast itself is part 345 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:46,280 of the evidence. It says this land's future is not settled and neither is the 346 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,280 record of it. 347 00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:52,000 So on the memory question, whose memory remains visible? 348 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:58,260 I made choices about those memories becoming visible and I don't pretend 349 00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:59,260 that it's neutral. 350 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:06,000 I spent time with elders first because stories like the deity Marangguru and 351 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,720 the Jaheer Khan and the Jamshim Binti creation story, so these carry the 352 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,920 deepest layer of how this land is understood, not just as forest and 353 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,440 hills, but as ancestry and belief. 354 00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:27,790 But I was conscious that focusing only on elders kind of grief, presenting the 355 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:34,210 community as belonging to the past. So I also photograph present day life, 356 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:41,410 the farming, the gathering, daily routine, the cockfights, the village 357 00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:45,730 fairs, to show that this isn't a memory that already lost. 358 00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:49,210 It's memory that's still being lived and passed on. 359 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:54,430 I know I haven't captured every voice, especially younger residents, whose 360 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:57,010 relationship to these stories may be more distant. 361 00:31:57,410 --> 00:32:03,650 And that's a limitation I am aware of, rather than one I have fully resolved. 362 00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:08,850 And who is allowed to keep the record? 363 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:16,190 So here I am kind of... One more minute. Okay, okay. So I am just 364 00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:18,070 ending this part. 365 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,340 i am kind of very uncomfortable when this question arrives to me so honestly 366 00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:30,040 i am an outsider with a camera even though i grew up in a village but that 367 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:36,960 doesn't justify this so but it doesn't make my position the 368 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,180 same as the santali family side photograph official bodies keep their 369 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:46,220 record through service and damn project documentation and that record tends to 370 00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:49,450 erase the very relationship my work tries to show. 371 00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:54,890 I don't think my photographs replace or overwrite that, but they exist as a, you 372 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:58,090 can say, counter-archive or alternative archive. 373 00:32:58,370 --> 00:33:04,410 And insistent that live exists here, on terms the official record doesn't 374 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:10,770 recognize. What I try to do practically is spend real time in the villages, seek 375 00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:16,350 consent at each stage. I wait for long times to click on images, 376 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:23,600 or kind of these things and um yeah and i don't think that um 377 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:30,460 fully answers who is allowed to keep the record question but uh it's how i 378 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:36,100 try to keep my own practice honest inside the question so yeah uh i think 379 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:42,120 that's all thank you so amarnath yes you have a question 380 00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:50,490 Shravan, you're on mute. We can go to Q&A session after the jury comments, 381 00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:52,710 right? So, Amarnath. 382 00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:56,750 Hi. Thank you for your presentation. 383 00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:58,110 Can you hear me? 384 00:33:58,550 --> 00:33:59,650 Yeah, I can hear you. 385 00:34:00,010 --> 00:34:04,850 The thing is that I am so audible to myself, so I cannot hear. I don't know 386 00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:07,410 if other people are hearing. 387 00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:14,850 I enjoyed your presentation and the way you were kind of describing the project. 388 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:21,620 um i have some questions about specific images and then a kind of larger 389 00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:27,159 question yeah the third image would seem to be a kind of 390 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:33,880 um overlay uh yeah you can say yeah yeah or photo montage 391 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:40,380 yeah uh uh say again please 392 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:41,719 is it a dinosaur 393 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,980 No, actually this is a screenshot of the trap camera footage which I 394 00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:53,880 placed on one of my landscape photos. 395 00:34:55,100 --> 00:35:01,940 So, can I also say the reasons behind this process 396 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:02,980 or it's okay? 397 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:10,140 Is it a dinosaur or not? No, I got my answer. 398 00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:16,850 that it's actually a trap cam uh photograph overlay digitally on a 399 00:35:16,850 --> 00:35:22,650 landscape photograph that you've made right okay yeah perfect um i just want 400 00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:27,350 you to talk about the anthotypes and the typology of that which is 401 00:35:27,350 --> 00:35:34,050 really interesting but i want you to know what's the logic behind uh 402 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:39,190 the anthotypes okay uh so uh uh 403 00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:48,300 Two years ago, while I was talking with Shombu Tudu, Shombu Tudu is a 404 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:54,220 priest and a Koviraj of the Borilohar village where I used to stay. 405 00:35:54,580 --> 00:36:01,400 So while talking with him in the evening, then he started telling me 406 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:08,120 about the medicinal value of the plants of the area. 407 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,230 So which may be uh maybe which may be uh gone if the band the 408 00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:22,050 dam will build there so then then the next morning i went to the 409 00:36:22,050 --> 00:36:27,530 forest with him and he started showing me the small plants the big plants the 410 00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:31,010 roots which are useful to their community and they are depending on 411 00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:35,730 those things for a very long time and uh this kind of 412 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,080 So while I started studying about photography history, there is a book 413 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:47,700 called British Algae by Anna Atkins who was a botanist and a photographer who 414 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:51,300 just archived the botanical elements with the cyanotype process. 415 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:57,720 So this kind of made me think about if I can just 416 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:03,760 start it, archive these medicinal plants with that way. 417 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:07,890 But I don't want to use cyanotype process because in cyanotype process 418 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:12,990 there are kind of some, as my background is in chemistry, so I know that there 419 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:16,470 is, there are kind of chemical waste there in the cyanotype process. So I 420 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:21,510 didn't want to use this process. Then I think about alternative process. Then I 421 00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:28,070 became know about this anthotype which is very much environmental friendly. 422 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:33,250 And there is also a thing that this print feeds over time. 423 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,820 So this is kind of very metaphoric, you can say to me. 424 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:44,380 So this plan may not be there after 10 years. 425 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,160 This knowledge also may be not there after 10 years because the generational 426 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,740 gap is also there and the land alienation is also there happening 427 00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:55,600 through dam building, through resort kind of thing. 428 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:03,000 So that's why I started thinking. So what I started doing that I... 429 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,020 made some prints and then after six months or seven months I started 430 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:12,480 seeing the prints. They are gradually fading. 431 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:19,280 So this fades kind of connecting with the existing problem with the landscape 432 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,280 and the community. 433 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,460 So that's why I am trying to archive this. 434 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:38,710 did you follow that with just you had paid the other types i i made the prints 435 00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:45,710 on a four seat uh the fabriano kind of paper and then i uh when 436 00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:51,370 uh at the first stage i scan this with my phone and then after six or seven 437 00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:57,510 months i scan again the prints and then uh did this collage kind of uh showing 438 00:38:57,510 --> 00:39:03,210 the continuous fading of the images here I got an answer. Last question is 439 00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:05,390 regarding the text and the image. 440 00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:08,110 Okay. 441 00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:15,530 So, the oral story and the mythological stories are very important 442 00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:18,490 for my mind. Can I ask a question, please? 443 00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:20,030 Oh, sorry. 444 00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:26,990 I wanted to know about the origin of that story. And second, your choice of 445 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:27,990 language. 446 00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:32,270 What is the community's language? 447 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:36,990 No, it's not the community's language, obviously. 448 00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:43,670 The story is actually the oral stories from the landscape. 449 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:49,810 But yeah, after you asking me this question, it will be better if I can 450 00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:54,650 write in the local language so that they can also understand the image. 451 00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:58,330 But yeah, this language is obviously not. 452 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,380 It's just for my understanding. 453 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:09,680 I'm curious that the text, the English 454 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,820 text, the short story that we see is actually a translation that you have 455 00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:18,800 made from the local folklore? 456 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,960 No, local folklore not. But I heard this story from one of the elders. 457 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:33,260 uh from uh village and what language what language that was that was 458 00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:39,620 bengali language in another dialect but bengali language here okay thank you 459 00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:46,140 thank you thank you olivia uh yeah hello um i had 460 00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:49,950 exactly the same question So I have already the answer. 461 00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:52,030 But I'm not sure I understood. 462 00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:58,430 If you just explain in like two sentences the ontotype, why did you 463 00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:00,450 choose to add it in your series? 464 00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:03,470 I'm not sure I understood. 465 00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:05,549 That's why. 466 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:12,330 If I can, I have to express in two sentences, 467 00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:13,390 then I can say that. 468 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:21,340 I choose the anthotype process to make an archive 469 00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:27,960 of a fading knowledge and a 470 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,520 fading indigenous knowledge and for the 471 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:38,700 fading nature of the prints. This is the two 472 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,180 main reasons. 473 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,800 Yeah, okay. 474 00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:43,660 Right. I understood. 475 00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:44,920 Okay. Thank you. 476 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,760 Thank you. Lolo, you there? 477 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880 Yes, I'm here, but I don't have a question. 478 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,460 You don't have a question. Okay. Thank you. Shravan, you had a question. 479 00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:58,120 Shravan, can you be quick? Because we have one more question. 480 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,160 Yes, yes. 481 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,240 I just had a question. 482 00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:06,600 Do they speak in Alchiki as well, which is a language? 483 00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:10,760 Alchiki is actually the written form. 484 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:17,830 And Olchiki also actually kind of there is Olchiki actually from 485 00:42:17,830 --> 00:42:22,210 the Odisha Santali communities, the origin of the Olchiki. But the other 486 00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:29,170 Santal communities, it's kind of there is a tendency to not kind of follow the 487 00:42:29,170 --> 00:42:32,930 scriptures. Some follow, some didn't follow. 488 00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:35,550 Okay, okay. Thank you. 489 00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:38,170 Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Ayan. 490 00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:43,510 Thank you. So now we have our last participant, Orun. Hi, Orun. You there? 491 00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:50,670 Orun, you there? 492 00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:52,030 Yes. 493 00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:53,670 Yes, hi. 494 00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:58,710 So that's just out of context question. 495 00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:03,830 So are you organizing very recently, I mean, 496 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:06,530 residency program okay 497 00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:14,490 go 498 00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:15,490 ahead please 499 00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:56,910 thank you yeah now your time starts yeah can i speak now everyone here yes 500 00:43:56,910 --> 00:44:01,170 because they are running out of time okay 501 00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:06,750 the uh the project called traces okay 502 00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:13,690 uh as a photographer i carry a lot of memory with uh i have some 503 00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:19,910 childhood memory with the land with the festival with the daily habits like that 504 00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:23,440 so that's how i started the project around 24. 505 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:29,040 first i planning to do with the uh with the flame because i like the flames and 506 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,460 i want to keep it uh some archival images okay not look like a digital 507 00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:42,160 image i plan to do that uh like archival images later i learned about uh the mile 508 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:48,380 print method in last year 2025 end i think december or now on november or 509 00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:49,339 december 510 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:55,840 that time i learned about gamma oil printing method so after that i check my 511 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:02,840 editing image i choose to do the comma oil sometimes i i try to find what 512 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:09,520 can i do with the gamma imprint then i carry the images like around 20 or 50 513 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:16,320 images with the gamma oil print there is a lot of story to tell to me okay 514 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,900 not everyone it's like a it's tell to story first of all to me when i connect 515 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:28,260 the images it's like uh the festivals their memory the memory with the 516 00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:35,160 landscape and that um and in the childhood time i see 517 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:42,140 the one of your one of the beautiful art i discovered in my childhood i 518 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:44,960 see the one of person bring the beer you see that images 519 00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:51,910 Once upon a time, Indians, instead of drinking beer with their 520 00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:57,730 master, they do some circus things for their daily routines. 521 00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:04,610 So I quite... That time I don't have a camera because I'm a small boy, like 522 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:05,610 something like that. 523 00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:10,990 Then I grew up, there is no certain culture now, but I see some unusual 524 00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:12,910 things, like elephants, horses. 525 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,320 So, I can prove them with this project. 526 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,800 Yes. So, this is all about your project, right? So, I'll go and move to jury. 527 00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:28,580 Avanath? 528 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:31,760 Hi, Arun. Can you hear me? 529 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can hear. 530 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,080 Yeah. Thank you for your project and your presentation. 531 00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,240 I wanted to know more about 532 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,040 The community? 533 00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:46,800 The locality? 534 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,200 No, no, no. It's not a single community or single locality. It's all around the 535 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,158 Tamil Nadu. 536 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,280 All around the Tamil Nadu land and the festival. Not single land. 537 00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:58,080 It's around the Tamil Nadu land. 538 00:46:58,340 --> 00:47:02,100 It's a lot of cultural land. 539 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,580 One thing is hill land. One thing is sea land. 540 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,600 One thing is crabs land. 541 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,800 So I bring all the images, like not a single community or not a single 542 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,660 location. The project doesn't need a single location. 543 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:19,660 Okay. 544 00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:25,500 Because I want to do all the location bring to the core memory of stuff. 545 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,240 Yeah. 546 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,900 Okay. That's very clear. 547 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,900 My second question is that could you walk us through a little bit of your 548 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:38,020 methodology? Because we as 549 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,080 people who appreciate your work. Amar, 550 00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:43,940 can you repeat the question? 551 00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:50,060 Yes. Can you take us through your methodology in terms of, do you shoot 552 00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:55,880 digital first and then you sort of turn them into gum oil prints? 553 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,600 What is your, I mean, I'm just curious about you photographing and how that 554 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,900 transforms into a historical process. 555 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,440 No, no. 556 00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:12,200 i didn't shoot a digital for this process it's all i think one or two 557 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:18,980 images only digital remaining all the film film only okay the project needs 558 00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:23,240 the digital that's why i choose only two images in the digital i everything is a 559 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:30,140 film when i do the i like to do the alternative things i try to find i 560 00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:36,700 try to learn so when i in 2023 i i selected for the residency called the 561 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:43,440 masculinity studio in delhi where i'd uh i learned about uh film developing and 562 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,920 silver delton fronting process the same lab they described about the gum oil 563 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:55,020 print i have a they have a gum oil print book it's a lovely book so i carry that 564 00:48:55,020 --> 00:49:01,720 book with them uh i read that book how the process will go Then after that I am 565 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,880 going to do some other work. I started a lab previously. 566 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,440 I started a lab with silvertail printing process. 567 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,200 After 2025, 568 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,980 I just curiously about to put a YouTube videos how to do gamal print. 569 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:24,580 There is one Japanese artist, I forget the name. Just you put a name in gamal 570 00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:27,720 print, the first video is called then that is Japan's photographer. 571 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:34,500 I saw that video because a lot of people told me that Gamayal is a very different 572 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:39,320 project. You can't do it without help or something like that. Then I saw the 573 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,320 video. 574 00:49:40,340 --> 00:49:41,340 Okay, we can try. 575 00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:42,920 But we can't do it. 576 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,180 Then after that, with the help of YouTube and obviously, Chrome and ZagGPT 577 00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:51,980 helped. That time, I learned about Gamayal. 578 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,040 Then, in my... 579 00:49:56,170 --> 00:50:02,010 i live in the small place i don't have the digital negatives so i asked a 580 00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:06,330 question some of people do who do the gamma printer they said they in local 581 00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:13,110 printing shop there is one sheet called the osp sheets yeah but the 582 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:18,970 ohp sheet not carry because the gamma will print need a image with a 583 00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:24,130 good things not every minute not every image we can do that 584 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,680 Okay. So, that whole issue I went through. 585 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,560 Then I collected the local chart. 586 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,840 Then I tried to find what can I do. 587 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,880 Then I will do the altmos. 588 00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,600 Okay. Thanks. Thanks. 589 00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:41,420 Those are the kind of things that I wanted to know. 590 00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:48,100 My last question is that when in this process, and this is my reading of your 591 00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:53,240 work, that why so many things very effectively? 592 00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,740 it also, and it's not a demerit, but it also hides many things from us. Have you 593 00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:01,740 thought about this? 594 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:08,020 Like, let's say the image and its context as opposed to 595 00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:14,940 the descriptive quality of images is taken over by a kind of 596 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:16,740 material quality of the model. 597 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,680 Right? So, have you thought or do you have any comments on this? 598 00:51:25,729 --> 00:51:32,350 For example, as opposed to a digital format or 599 00:51:32,350 --> 00:51:39,270 even a 35mm Tmax 600 00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:46,050 black and white exposure, the information that 601 00:51:46,050 --> 00:51:48,150 the image gives us is less. 602 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,720 Many things are obscured by the process, by the stroke, by the brush stroke, 603 00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:59,320 right? You have to actually, sort of like painting, sort of develop the 604 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,980 image. Have you thought that? 605 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,420 Now I understand that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to the same or play the method. 606 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,880 It's like a... It's not like a photograph. It's not like a printing. 607 00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:10,800 It's like a... I want to like a painting. 608 00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,020 Not like a certain painting. But it looks like a painting. 609 00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:19,120 If someone sees the prints, oh, it's not a printing or a photograph. It's like 610 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,120 a... it's like a painting yeah yeah i know that yeah i want to carry that and 611 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:30,260 and do you work with different sizes or this is all uh one aspect no no right 612 00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:35,280 now i have only a4 faces in my place you know i go to some other places now they 613 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,600 have a different different size but right now my place will have only a4 614 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,080 space control so i can do all the printers they are like a4 size yeah okay 615 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,220 thank you so much thank you thank you 616 00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:53,880 From my side, I understood the project very well. For me, everything is clear. 617 00:52:54,060 --> 00:52:55,060 It's beautiful. 618 00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:56,540 It's very good. Thank you. 619 00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:58,820 So I don't have more questions. 620 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,100 I wanted to know how do you plan on showing the work? 621 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,020 Definitely installation only. I can't bury the book from my print. 622 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,000 A book? 623 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,600 No, no. I can't carry the book with the Gamal print. I want to show the 624 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,940 exhibition way, installation. 625 00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:26,940 Oh, okay. 626 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:32,100 I didn't carry the book like a Gamal print, this type of book. I can't carry. 627 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,880 So I want to do the installation only, like exhibition. 628 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:42,900 Okay. Alright. And what size are the images, if I may ask? 629 00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:45,820 It's all images in A4 sizes. 630 00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:47,780 A4. 631 00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:50,450 A4. Yeah. 632 00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:54,190 A4. Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah, wait. I'll show the one after me. Wait. 633 00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:00,410 You 634 00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:09,610 have 635 00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:10,730 one handy with you, Arun? 636 00:54:12,130 --> 00:54:13,130 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 637 00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:16,910 Ah. 638 00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:18,070 Okay. 639 00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:24,070 Okay. And do you see them as that size or do you think you can see them bigger? 640 00:54:29,710 --> 00:54:32,170 Can you increase the size? 641 00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:37,790 He's on mute. You are on mute. 642 00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:39,010 You are on mute. 643 00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:41,650 Oh. 644 00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:42,990 Hello. 645 00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:45,890 Yes, we can hear you. 646 00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:54,350 Can you see them in a bigger size format or do you only... Yeah, I can do, but in 647 00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:58,050 my place, I don't have that facility in my place. Okay. 648 00:54:58,630 --> 00:55:00,170 I can do it. I can do. 649 00:55:01,070 --> 00:55:02,070 Okay. 650 00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:05,630 Thank you, Arun. Thank you. Thank you. 651 00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:11,150 Jury, I just want a concluding remark from each of you. If there is any, 652 00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:16,090 Amarnath, Alizian, Lolo, because we have all of our presentations done. 653 00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:19,300 So let's start with Amarnath. 56627

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