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Good morning, Mr Holoborodko. 3 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,680 Can I connect you with Angela Merkel? 4 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Yes, you can connect. 5 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,600 NEWS ANCHOR: An actor, known for his TV role 6 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,040 as President of Ukraine, 7 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,480 is now set to take over that position in real life. 8 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,960 He was extraordinarily popular. 9 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,040 He impressed immediately, like, "Wow!" 10 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,440 He played the kind of character 11 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,960 that Ukraine was dreaming about. 12 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Ukraine is a place where the destiny 13 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,160 of this century will be hammered out. 14 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,800 EXPLOSION 15 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,680 We're going to be surrounded 16 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,400 within 40 minutes or so. 17 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,240 This is a threat to democracy 18 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,960 for the world. 19 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:58,560 Imagine, imagine being in that situation. 20 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,120 I think it's the President 21 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,440 who can really tell this story. 22 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,320 CHEERING 23 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Nothing could dampen the sheer exuberance 24 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,560 that welcomed in the 1990s, as an explosion of colour and sound 25 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,160 released the pent-up emotions of the past decade. 26 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,160 The most evocative symbol of 27 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,600 the divide between East and West, 28 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,920 the Berlin Wall, is open 29 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,960 to East Germans to walk through. 30 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Vladimir Putin watched the fall of the Berlin Wall with horror. 31 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,400 When the Soviet Union collapsed, 32 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,960 the kind of...the security guys, 33 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,360 the power guys, the spook guys were on the back foot. 34 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,360 By this point, Putin's a mid-ranking KGB spy, 35 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,320 working undercover in communist East Germany. 36 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,720 And as demonstrators were trying to storm the Stasi building... 37 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,960 ..he called Moscow for instruction, and he said Moscow was silent. 38 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,800 Boris Yeltsin had come to bury the Soviet Union 39 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,000 and to build the new Commonwealth. 40 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,040 This will not be a single state, 41 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,680 rather, a collection of independent countries. 42 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,520 The Soviet Union had ceased to exist. 43 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Many people here find it hard to trust the Russians. 44 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,320 They blame them for years of suppression of 45 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,360 the Ukrainian culture, and they're worried that 46 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Russia may not accept the Ukraine as an equal partner. 47 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,000 While Putin is fuming back in Russia, 48 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,520 a teenager called Volodymyr Zelensky 49 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,960 is coming of age in the new Ukraine. 50 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,400 Hello. Hello. Mr President, thank you so much for your time. 51 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,960 Thank you. Thank you very much, yes. 52 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,560 My colleagues. Yeah. 53 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,920 Hi. Hi. 54 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,360 Through this mirror, can you see me? I see your face. 55 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,360 If you could go back to 56 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,400 the 16-year-old Volodymyr... 57 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,880 16? 16. 58 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,240 ..and tell him that he would become President...? 59 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,520 When I was 16, no. 60 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,000 No. But it's not... 61 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,360 Of course, of course I had another dream, 62 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,840 another view of my life, of future. 63 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,640 Really, I think that people who are 16, 64 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,480 they don't think about future, they think about today, really. 65 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,080 And today, when I was 16, 66 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:11,440 I was not thinking about any politics, any mission. 67 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Your future is next week. That is your closest dream, your... 68 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,040 Something like this. 69 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,880 What WERE your dreams? 70 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,240 I was very free. 71 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,680 It's the end of Soviet Union. 72 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,720 Young people, what they want? 73 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,360 They want to be free, they wanted to see the planet. 74 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,920 And to go where? Everywhere. 75 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,160 Just for some dreams. 76 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,800 You just want to meet, speak, 77 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,560 and your eyes are big. 78 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,040 And, of course, I wanted to find me in this big world. 79 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Of course, my parents wanted me to be, you know, er, calm, 80 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,760 to be calm, yes, and to study, and that's it. 81 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,520 I found time for everything. 82 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,000 Freedom, it's a great thing, freedom. 83 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,400 It's an amazing journey. 84 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,440 Zelensky, he came from 85 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,600 eastern part of Ukraine, 86 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,720 industrialised and, you know, heavily populated. 87 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:42,320 The new generation 88 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,960 wanted to become a new, 89 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,520 successful Eastern European country. 90 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,040 I love my city. It's not capital, 91 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,600 and it's, like, what do you love? 92 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,720 You love people who are around you, 93 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,760 so people, girls, boys who are from your childhood. 94 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,240 Thank you. 95 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,320 Uh, did you order a coffee? 96 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,560 No, whisky! Ah! 97 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Friendship. 98 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,000 I loved my city because my childhood was there, 99 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,120 because my friends been there, near me. 100 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,600 Great time. 101 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,960 We had nothing, but we had everything. 102 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,920 I saw him... 103 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,760 We had an English lesson in my class, 104 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,440 and the teach...it was speaking. 105 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,880 And she went off, and she returned in five minutes 106 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,480 with two very young kids. It was a very, very tall girl 107 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,440 and a very, very small boy. 108 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,640 And teacher said, 109 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,000 "Speak on this topic - London. 110 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,080 "Volo, show them how to do that." 111 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,920 And he started like, "London is the capital of Great Britain, 112 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,720 "situated on the River Thames," and I was really shocked because... 113 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,360 ..his voice didn't fit to his size, because he was really small. 114 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Day by day, gradually, we became friends. 115 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,000 I didn't know Volodymyr yet, 116 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,680 but his father, um, study...was a teacher. 117 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,280 I teach technology in the '90s. 118 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,960 He was very charismatic and very funny. 119 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,000 And all students, 120 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,480 we know that he is very honest. 121 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,680 Zelensky inherited from his father principles. 122 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,280 And on the other hand is his mother. 123 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Humble, very loving Jewish woman. 124 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Long hair. 125 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,600 Guitar, long hair. 126 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,240 Rings, earrings, 127 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,640 something rock and roll. 128 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Were you cool? 129 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:35,880 I think... 130 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,080 I think... 131 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,520 You have to ask my wife, of course. 132 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,480 But, but...I think, yes. 133 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,240 He was cool, yeah. 134 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,160 So, he was a little bit of a troublemaker? 135 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,840 He was always. 136 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Really? Yeah. 137 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Is that what you found attractive? 138 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,600 Um, being honest, no. 139 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,040 So, when did romance start? 140 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,040 One of the best, I think, moments in my life, when I met my wife. 141 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:20,680 I just looked at her and I think I just loved, and that's it. 142 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,440 I saw her at school. 143 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,400 When we began to speak, 144 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,640 when I understood who is she, 145 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,240 and I hope she understood who am I... 146 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,520 Did that take some time? 147 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,200 For me or for her? For her. 148 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,560 Sorry! 149 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:40,840 I don't know. 150 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,880 I saw Volodymyr the first time like an actor. 151 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Volodymyr, with his friends, 152 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,760 took part in a competition. 153 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 154 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:24,600 And I remember, "Best actor is...Volodymyr Zelensky!" 155 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,760 "Me? Me?" And, "Yes. Yes, you!" 156 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,600 His eyes, it was like big plate. 157 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,040 After that, he believe in himself. 158 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,440 You know, when the universe, 159 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,400 er, priznayut, recognised you. 160 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,040 He was very good comedian, 161 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,160 and we were big fans of KVN. 162 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,400 This show, KVN, 163 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,520 was legendary in the Soviet times. 164 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,240 If I tried to describe it to you, 165 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,000 it would be kind of televised competition of stand-up comedians. 166 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,880 It gained an extraordinary, 167 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,440 enormous popularity. 168 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,440 We decided to make our own team. 169 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,120 You have to improvise. 170 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,840 You have to show things that you've been rehearsing. The main thing, 171 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,160 it have to be funny. 172 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,360 I was on the jury. 173 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Oh, he impressed immediately, 174 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,000 because he was making fun of everything. 175 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Hello... 176 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,800 I remember, he makes a joke on...and very rude jokes 177 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,280 on the President. 178 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,520 "SOS, America, SOS". 179 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,360 In Russian, er, he's speaking, 180 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,400 it sounds like "suck me". 181 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Suck me? Yes! 182 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,360 The show, for many young people, 183 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,160 was the only platform for irony 184 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,520 and, sometimes, even satire. 185 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,760 And that's why it was absolutely unexpected for Russian viewers. 186 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,240 I believe they managed to make 187 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,720 the only political satire 188 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,760 in the former Soviet Union. 189 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Clever. 190 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,040 THEY SING 191 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,040 We loved him immediately. 192 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,080 And basically, he won 193 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,800 this Ukrainian league of KVN. 194 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:55,240 And he was invited to do, with his team, the run for Russian league. 195 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,880 That was, in that time, considered to be the kind of Premier League. 196 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Moscow League, they show you 197 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,400 on TV, on primetime. 198 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,360 It was the top. 199 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,120 There's nothing higher than that. 200 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:28,800 CHEERING 201 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,200 At the same time that Zelensky discovered that 202 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,280 his entertainment skills could win an audience, Vladimir Putin 203 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,880 had discovered that his gifts for 204 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,800 surviving had taken him to the point 205 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,400 where Boris Yeltsin made him 206 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,800 Prime Minister of the Russian Federation. 207 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,920 He was made Yeltsin's heir. 208 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,600 Mr Yeltsin now has named him as 209 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,160 his chosen candidate in next year's 210 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,840 race for the presidency. 211 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,400 Mr Putin's task will be to build up his own support 212 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,680 and destroy Mr Yeltsin's political opponents. 213 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,800 Putin coming to that, why would he have done that? 214 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,760 You know, to use the... 215 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,560 I would say to exploit the popularity of the show. 216 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,720 SINGING 217 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,360 This show has an extraordinary, enormous popularity. 218 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,040 He used this chance to be seen 219 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,440 able to smile, to laugh, 220 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,640 and there were a few jokes about him. 221 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,440 He said, "We're going to Kyiv 222 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,320 "to start our own company." 223 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,000 He was always saying kind of, "Let's do it. We'll succeed." 224 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,640 What was Volodymyr Zelensky's role 225 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,240 in all this? 226 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,960 I'm a big fan of basketball... Mm-hm. 227 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,800 ..and I can compare it to 228 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Michael Jordan in Chicago Bulls. 229 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,960 They won everything because of him. 230 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,240 He's a kind of locomotive 231 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,680 that pulls the train. 232 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Not only frontman on the stage, 233 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,040 he's main writer, chief editor, 234 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,160 he made decisions in finances, 235 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,080 he was a leader in everything. 236 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,280 And I always trusted him because 237 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,240 I believe that he has his lucky star 238 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,320 that leads him, that helps him. 239 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,280 Putin's first visit as President 240 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280 was meeting the Prime Minister 241 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,800 and for talks in Number Ten. 242 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,760 We're just doing to go right down here... 243 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,480 We are beginning to build up what looks like a useful relationship. 244 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,920 Prime Minister, how are you? Thanks so much. Not at all. 245 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,960 Really great. Really enjoyed it. Glad you enjoyed it, thank you. 246 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,360 Putin, you could see he was trying to put on the charm. 247 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Putin was very controlled, 248 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,480 would occasionally try to show a bit of humour. 249 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,960 Language is already pre-set. 250 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,320 Er, Russian is on channel three. 251 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Next time, make sure that the Russian is on channel one. 252 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,480 LAUGHTER 253 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,040 The thing that struck all of us about Putin 254 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,520 was his eyes - very small, rather cold. 255 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,440 We were asking ourselves 256 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,400 if he was for real about wanting to build up relations with the West. 257 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,520 All went pretty well and was very 258 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,400 constructive, except for one moment. 259 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,880 Right. 260 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Er, one last question, I think, is all we've got time for, so... 261 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,400 I wanted to ask President Putin that there are many concerns 262 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:54,280 in Britain and elsewhere about the conduct of the war in Chechnya. 263 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,440 How does he propose to show people in the Western world 264 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,920 that those fears are misplaced? 265 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,400 Putin became highly emotional, 266 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,920 almost paranoid. 267 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,960 He really couldn't discuss it in any kind of rational way. 268 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,200 And I would discover, 269 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,880 talking to Putin's staff, 270 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,560 that he wouldn't just do this with 271 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,280 foreigners. They would say to me, 272 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,680 "Look, it's impossible to talk to him, he just gets angry." 273 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,800 After the 2004 election, 274 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,360 Putin became a much more confident, 275 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,760 much more assertive individual, 276 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,880 and unpleasant things started happening. 277 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,440 In Ukraine, mysteriously, 278 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,120 a pro-Western candidate for election was poisoned. 279 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,000 NEWS ANCHOR: Now, more on this 280 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,440 developing story about the poisoning 281 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,240 of one of the presidential candidates in Ukraine. 282 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,160 Viktor Yushchenko has claimed 283 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,960 he was poisoned by his political enemies. 284 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,520 Nobody knows who did it, 285 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,640 but it looked a little bit like a KGB operation. 286 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,480 The Russian intelligence services 287 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,600 have a well-known, long history of 288 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,920 poisoning people they do not like. 289 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,640 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 290 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,080 With that particular show, 291 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,640 Zelensky has become 292 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,240 extraordinarily popular in Ukraine. 293 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,240 So he set up his own company with his partners, 294 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760 and he started to produce more and more shows. 295 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,320 And the only step left for him not exploited and not explored, 296 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,800 that was movies. 297 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800 Volodymyr said, "Sometime, 298 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,000 "I will be on Oscars stage, 299 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,080 "and all audience will applause to us, 300 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,960 "to us and our job, our work." 301 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,560 LOUD BUBBLING 302 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240 Ah, Russia! 303 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,440 His movies were 304 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,400 extraordinarily popular 305 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,440 in Ukraine, but also, in Russia... 306 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,360 ..with millions of people watching. 307 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,760 What can you have more 308 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,640 in that particular moment? What could be more? Nothing. 309 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,400 But, you know, as always in life, that was something between 310 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,920 the complete dramatic change, 311 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,840 turn of the circumstances, 312 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,920 and so it turned out to be 313 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,800 the end of the whole epoch. 314 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Boris Yeltsin's funeral 315 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,320 was a symbolic moment for Russia... 316 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,960 ..marking the transition from one order to another. 317 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960 By this stage, it was Putin's Russia. 318 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,280 At Yeltsin's funeral, 319 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:27,120 very significantly, we see Viktor Yanukovych. 320 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,200 He is the Ukrainian that Vladimir Putin wishes to have in power. 321 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760 It was absolutely critical, from Putin's point of view, 322 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,560 that he should control Ukraine. 323 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,920 Without Yanukovych, 324 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Zelensky might have never left 325 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,800 the world of entertainment. 326 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,160 In Ukraine, Yanukovych was practically... 327 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,040 ..the boss of the organised crime group, 328 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,040 not even trying to hide it! 329 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,040 I met him. 330 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,960 Yanukovych was always a bandit. 331 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,600 He was a typical, you know, 332 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,760 considered to be a typical criminal. 333 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,640 Putin eventually got his wish, 334 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,560 and Yanukovych became President of Ukraine in 2010. 335 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,160 Soon after he became President, 336 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,440 Ukraine was being plundered by Yanukovych and his friends. 337 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,960 On the outskirts of Kyiv, 338 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,600 he builds a naff estate, 339 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,960 with a pirate galleon and a zoo. 340 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,400 He had turned Ukraine 341 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,800 into a laughing stock. 342 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,840 He looted the state, he made his dentist son a billionaire, 343 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,720 and he jailed his main opponents. 344 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080 Mr Yanukovych denies allegations 345 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,800 of embezzling state funds, 346 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,600 or of hiding millions of dollars 347 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,360 in foreign bank accounts. 348 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,160 Ukraine has been pretty badly governed since 1990, 349 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,320 but it's always had freedom of expression. 350 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,400 And one could see younger people 351 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,840 who wanted Ukraine to be a more honest, 352 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,640 better governed, more European country, 353 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,880 and Zelensky is the embodiment of it. 354 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,560 They're not against Russia, 355 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:34,360 but they were pro becoming part of Europe and the European Union. 356 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,760 The turning point was when 357 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760 Yanukovych tore up an agreement with the European Union - 358 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,440 which was basically a symbol, 359 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,800 a sign that Ukraine was integrating with the West - 360 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,440 and accepted a bail-out from Vladimir Putin and Russia. 361 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,880 Erm, and there were protests. 362 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,520 CHANTING 363 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,000 NEWS REPORTER: People have come 364 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,280 throughout the day, surging out of 365 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,200 the Metro with European Union flags 366 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,000 with the national flag of Ukraine, 367 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,720 and they are rallying in the centre of this square. 368 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,600 CHEERING 369 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Yanukovych was under a great deal of pressure to clear the square. 370 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880 He was getting clear signals 371 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,000 from Moscow, from the Kremlin, 372 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,840 to put down the rebellion, 373 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,120 and it led to a series of 374 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760 increasingly violent clashes with police. 375 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,600 REPORTER: This is a scene of absolute chaos. 376 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,160 The police are throwing stun... 377 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,680 EXPLOSION 378 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,000 There is total... EXPLOSION 379 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840 This is a major political crisis in Ukraine. 380 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,360 The Maidan Revolution, 381 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,240 what impact did those events 382 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:14,960 have on you, personally? 383 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,840 A lot. 384 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040 I think all of us - I mean, about our group - 385 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,680 we thought, how to help this situation? 386 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,880 We didn't think about any, you know, 387 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,160 political future, or something. It's not ambition. 388 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,560 It's not my ambitions, in those times, without any thoughts. 389 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,000 You... You...had to make a choice. 390 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,280 What is the price of your life? Yes. 391 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,560 In the car, going there, did you plan what to say, 392 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,040 or was it just spontaneous? 393 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,240 I planned. I... 394 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,400 First of all, we are honest. 395 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,280 We decided at the very beginning of our dialogue. Please! Yes. All... 396 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,040 All... All which is spontaneous, 397 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,160 you...you have to prepare something. 398 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,320 I drived to the studio, 399 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,480 of course, I thought, what I have to say? 400 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520 I have to address to everybody I can. 401 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,560 You feel that you can help now, 402 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,040 and you want just to address something to help with something. 403 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,280 What I had, I said. 404 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,240 I understood that if, of course, I was popular, 405 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:05,040 it was important because my messages would be not only to Ukraine, 406 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,400 also, to Russia, I was very popular in Russia. 407 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,400 It's stunning, 408 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,240 because he - already, in 2014 - 409 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,120 is talking to Putin as an equal. 410 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,360 That's the moment when the comedian 411 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,440 stopped joking and became serious. 412 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,680 REPORTER: This CCTV footage 413 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,640 appears to show Mr Yanukovych's 414 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,360 entourage fleeing by helicopter. 415 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,600 The former President's current whereabouts are a mystery. 416 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960 Putin's man in Ukraine, Yanukovych, 417 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,680 has been ousted by a democratic protest. 418 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,640 So this is a humiliation for Putin and, at this stage, 419 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,280 Putin feels he has got to do something to get his own back... 420 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,520 ..so he goes for Crimea. 421 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:20,200 REPORTER: A platoon of troops deployed this morning around 422 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,000 the main airport in Crimea. 423 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,680 This is sovereign Ukrainian territory. 424 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000 These were not Ukrainian troops. 425 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,240 Then he did a second thing. 426 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,960 He sent troops into 427 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,920 Donetsk and Luhansk, 428 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,640 eastern provinces of Ukraine, 429 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,880 and he started a war 430 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,320 in those two provinces. 431 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,200 Putin claimed, "We are not ourselves fighting in those regions," 432 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,200 but it was entirely obvious 433 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,400 to the world, they were. 434 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400 Many people inside of Ukraine 435 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,160 cut off the ties with Russia, 436 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680 and most important challenge was for Zelensky. 437 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,680 Zelensky needed to choose between 438 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,960 the Russian prospects of business 439 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,040 and Ukrainian identity. 440 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,040 Can you work? Can you... 441 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,760 Can you sell products to Russia? 442 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,880 When you have company, a lot of people, they need work 443 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,760 and they need job, and business between a lot of... 444 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,080 But you have to choose. 445 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,400 So the decision was, we stop. 446 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,120 We will stop all the relations. 447 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,000 So we closed the offices, and we... 448 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,400 That's it. That's it. 449 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,360 And all of us, we wanted to change our work. I mean, this... 450 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,520 Now, this, to do some more movies or TV programmes, 451 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:19,000 so documentary and dramas, something new for Ukraine. 452 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,640 And then came Servant of the People. 453 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,880 The premise is quite simple. 454 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,560 You have an everyman - 455 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,360 a school teacher, 456 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,720 who is fed up with corruption 457 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,320 and misrule in Ukraine, and is 458 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,680 talking to his sort of 459 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,840 secondary school students, 460 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,600 and starts ranting about the state of the country. 461 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,560 One of his students films it on a phone, posts it online 462 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,040 and this thing goes viral. 463 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,240 He goes from being an ordinary guy 464 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,040 to running a country. 465 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,880 Zelensky was an actor, but he was telling them something true about 466 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,720 the society in which they live, where there was impunity 467 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,640 for the rich, where politicians routinely stole. 468 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040 So you see these oligarchs - sometimes, faceless - 469 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,320 around the table, saying they can control Zelensky 470 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,480 and, of course, Zelensky doesn't go according to their script. 471 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,920 We always had a President 472 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,680 that we wanted to change. 473 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,200 At first, we kind of liked them, 474 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,720 and in a year, we wanted to change them. 475 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,440 And he played the kind of character 476 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,840 that Ukraine was dreaming about. 477 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,960 What's so delightful about the show 478 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,520 is that it blurs fiction and reality. 479 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,440 So much of it was actually shot in Mezhyhirya, 480 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,080 which was Yanukovych's play palace, on the outskirts of Kyiv. 481 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,440 Servant of the People has expressed 482 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,480 the willingness of Ukrainians, 483 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,240 you know, to start the newer life, really new life. 484 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,440 Not with the people from the past. 485 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,720 It made people believe 486 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,560 that change is possible. 487 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,920 He became even more popular 488 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,200 because of the Servant of the People. 489 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:51,920 He was Paddington. 490 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:02,640 By the summer of 2018, 491 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,160 he was one of the most popular people in Ukraine. 492 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,680 I remember that the rumours started to fly around. 493 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,880 In different TV shows, 494 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,000 in internet and YouTube, 495 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,280 they started to talk about 496 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,440 Zelensky taking part in elections. 497 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,800 And we were thinking, "So what is that, it's kind of a joke?" 498 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,160 And, of course, we ask him what it's all about. 499 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,240 He was answering in, like, in jokes. 500 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,000 But day by day, month by month, 501 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,240 it was more obvious 502 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,000 that it's not a joke. 503 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,600 That something going to happen. 504 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,920 So your husband made a public announcement 505 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,200 that he was running for President, and he hadn't told you? 506 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,800 Weren't you...? THEY LAUGH 507 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,080 What did you say to him? 508 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,920 And more important, what did he say to you? What was his excuse? 509 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,400 She was honest, that's why she was angry. 510 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,080 And I think that, er... 511 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:47,080 She's smart, and I think she knew about it. 512 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,000 Not from me, but she understood everything before. 513 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,000 Of course, she understood, I think so. 514 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,120 But she was not ready to, you know, to recognise it 515 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:03,560 and to hear it. She was afraid, because new challenges, 516 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,480 now we see that she was right, a lot of challenges. 517 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320 Yes, and I... 518 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,760 I did everything oppositely, so I'm...I'm sorry. 519 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,520 I'm sorry. I... I... 520 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:23,560 I can tell now, "Sorry, my love, I'm so sorry, yes." Um... 521 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,400 Yes, difficult decision. 522 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,560 But she understood that I couldn't do other way. 523 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,960 It's the decision of your life. 524 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,120 You... You made this choice, 525 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,840 and if she had opportunity 526 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,840 to change my mind, 527 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,440 I think she couldn't do it. 528 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,880 He's named his political party 529 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,920 Servant of the People as well. 530 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,360 I was scriptwriter 531 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,040 at Servant of the People, 532 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,720 and now I am speech writer. 533 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,840 It was something new. 534 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,920 We didn't know how it works. We didn't know how... 535 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,840 We didn't know what is a political election campaign, 536 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,560 er, actually. 537 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,840 We don't have a big budget. 538 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,080 We have one office and 30 people. That's nothing. 539 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,800 Zelensky's main opponent was Petro Poroshenko, the incumbent President. 540 00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,200 Poroshenko was always challenging Zelensky for the bid. 541 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,280 And the basic idea of Poroshenko was very simple, 542 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,040 to demonstrate the ignorance of Zelensky. 543 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,560 CROWD CHANTS 544 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,720 Zelensky came up with a great idea - 545 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,760 to do the debate in 546 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,840 a very familiar format. The show. 547 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,240 The performance. Stage. 548 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,040 With an audience. 549 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,400 Poroshenko was the war guy, 550 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,320 who would fight Russia, who would support the military 551 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,880 who were in the east, fighting this kind of brutal war. 552 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,520 Zelensky said, "I am the peace guy. 553 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,640 "I will bring peace to the East. 554 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,040 "I will sit down with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin 555 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,440 "and we will reach a settlement." 556 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,400 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 557 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,600 REPORTER: When will you stand up to Putin? 558 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,040 Are you ready to be President? 559 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,400 I... I don't know. The people will decide it in the evening. 560 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,360 CHEERING 561 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,320 I understood everything, before election, 562 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,320 it will be very difficult, very difficult. 563 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,200 And at this moment, you understand that... 564 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,360 ..it's not about difficulties, it's about another life. 565 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,440 That's it. Another life. 566 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,600 To find out more about Ukraine 567 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,080 and some of the influential people whose stories have shaped it, 568 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,520 go to bbc.co.uk/zelensky, 569 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,160 and follow the links to the Open University's interactive gallery. 40243

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