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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:13,860 I don't know how to describe Jerry Jacobson. 2 00:01:15,490 --> 00:01:18,410 Jerry had a way about him. 3 00:01:18,490 --> 00:01:22,910 You're either gonna love him or are gonna hate him. There's no in-between. 4 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,880 He can snap in a millisecond, and you don't even know why he snapped. 5 00:01:31,130 --> 00:01:34,090 My kids did not get along with him. 6 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:37,720 He laid hands on them more times than I knew about. 7 00:01:40,140 --> 00:01:43,440 Jerry Jacobson was actually my stepfather. 8 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,270 He was prone to have a short fuse and a pretty bad temper. 9 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,940 The most vivid memory I have, we're in the basement. 10 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:57,950 I can't remember what the issue was. It seemed insignificant to me at the time. 11 00:01:58,030 --> 00:02:01,620 And Jerry just kind of lost it. 12 00:02:01,700 --> 00:02:06,920 He picked my brother up by the head and was bouncing his head off the wall. 13 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:12,010 And I was in the room more scared and hoping it didn't turn towards me, 14 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:14,970 'cause I didn't understand it at the time. 15 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:17,220 I stepped in between them, 16 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:21,810 and I told Michael, my oldest one, to run out the front door. 17 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:27,440 And I remember yelling out the front window, "Just run, Michael, run." 18 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,860 And Michael was like nine at the time. 19 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:34,070 That was the reason we split up. 20 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:39,240 We didn't communicate after we split up. 21 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,000 I was still a cop, but he would show up on my police calls. 22 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,290 All of a sudden I looked around and there he is. 23 00:02:48,370 --> 00:02:52,300 Nobody knew how he knew where my police calls were. 24 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:55,420 He was just there. 25 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:01,180 He made people afraid of him. 26 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,810 He had a .45, 'cause that's what we carried in Hollywood, 27 00:03:05,890 --> 00:03:09,560 and was trading gun parts. And he told me this himself, 28 00:03:09,650 --> 00:03:13,900 because he was gonna shoot me and then put his gun back together 29 00:03:13,980 --> 00:03:16,400 so that if they ran ballistics on it, 30 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:20,110 it wouldn't show that the bullet came from that gun. 31 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:23,830 He's a bad man, okay? 32 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:27,460 And I know what he had my husband do. 33 00:03:27,540 --> 00:03:31,830 My husband pointed a shotgun at somebody's head 34 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:35,960 by the order of Jerome Jacobson to collect some money. 35 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:39,050 And that's not the first time. 36 00:03:39,130 --> 00:03:45,350 He is not some sweet, little old man sick. He's a freaking gangster. 37 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:52,730 Gangster. And I'm not afraid if he's got a bullet with my name on it. 38 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:54,770 We all got to go some time. 39 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:05,200 There was a rumor going around that it could have been a possible hit 40 00:04:05,290 --> 00:04:07,290 to get my brother out of the situation. 41 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:09,410 - Could it have been? - I don't know. 42 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:50,160 MCMILLIONS 43 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,770 I was pushed against the wall covered in blood. 44 00:05:10,850 --> 00:05:16,560 I remember looking this way, and there was a policeman and a fireman there. 45 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:22,360 And I said, "Give me Frankie, my son." 46 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:26,370 Jerry had just taken Frankie out of the car seat 47 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:30,580 so he could lay down to take a nap 'cause he was getting cranky. 48 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:35,500 They said, "Mrs. Colombo, stay still. We'll cut you out with a Jaws of Life." 49 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:38,210 I said, "That's my son." 50 00:05:41,710 --> 00:05:44,260 And as soon as they cut me out and took me out, 51 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:49,060 the pain just went all through my body, and I just screamed. 52 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:54,730 And I could look over, and I saw my son sucking a lollipop. 53 00:05:54,810 --> 00:05:56,690 So I knew he was okay. 54 00:05:59,270 --> 00:06:05,030 Jerry actually crawled out of the car with no blood on him. 55 00:06:08,570 --> 00:06:11,080 The telephone rings. "Oh, hey, Jerry. How are you?" 56 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,080 "Oh, I'm okay. We got into an accident. We're being airlifted to the hospital." 57 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:18,750 I said, "Are you sure you're alright?" And he said, "Yeah, I'm fine," 58 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,170 like nothing at all was wrong. 59 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:25,380 I got the call at work, and raced up there to the hospital. 60 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:28,890 He was in ICU, and they had him hooked up to all these machines. 61 00:06:28,970 --> 00:06:32,600 And Robin had I think, five to six stitches on top of her head. 62 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,310 She had cut her head. 63 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,110 Frankie's arm was broken, and he had, I think, a bump on his nose. 64 00:06:39,190 --> 00:06:41,980 Most of the force of the truck hit the passenger's door. 65 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:48,110 But it seemed like he was gonna be okay which was odd because he's in ICU. 66 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:55,080 My brother said he had 15 or 20 thousand dollars in the glove box, 67 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,170 and then a couple hundred thousand dollars in a suitcase 68 00:06:59,330 --> 00:07:01,840 in Robin's mom and dad's home in Jacksonville 69 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,920 and told me, "Take care of that one." 70 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:08,630 So we went to the junkyard, and there was nothing in there. 71 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,340 Everything was gone. 72 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:15,930 And the money in the house disappeared. 73 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:17,640 Everyone claims that it was never there. 74 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:22,060 Jerry would not tell me that he had money at the house if he didn't. 75 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:26,570 So then I took it upon myself to go to his house. 76 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:28,070 He made a little detour. 77 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:34,370 I made a little detour without anyone knowing, and made some things disappear 78 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:39,580 because I knew things were getting really ugly. 79 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:42,500 I got a couple of items out of his freezer. 80 00:07:42,590 --> 00:07:45,760 He had about four, five tickets. 81 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,720 Not sure if Robin knew they were in there or not, 82 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,600 but I didn't want Robin to have access to those tickets. 83 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,640 I was not sure if the accident was an accident. 84 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,930 Was it a setup? We didn't know. 85 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,560 It could have been a hit. 86 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:06,860 I really believe that. 87 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:11,660 I don't have any proof of that, but I'm thinking something went wrong. 88 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:14,870 And I was feeling it and I got that impression, 89 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:19,790 because Jerry was getting a little on edge, 90 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,500 'cause the pressure was on him from someone. You know what I mean? 91 00:08:24,590 --> 00:08:28,090 Something was different. 92 00:08:32,010 --> 00:08:34,930 Being a big guy, when they put him into ICU, 93 00:08:35,010 --> 00:08:37,560 they didn't realize he had internal damage. 94 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,230 So they were treating him for his broken leg, 95 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:42,940 and they didn't catch the internal damage that he had. 96 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,360 When they caught it, they realized his lung collapsed, his ribs were broken. 97 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,990 Up to that time, he was joking. 98 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:55,740 It was lighthearted. He did not seem like he was in shock. 99 00:08:55,830 --> 00:08:58,700 Even till this day, I'm astonished. 100 00:08:58,790 --> 00:09:01,750 Astonished that the man was actively dying. 101 00:09:04,290 --> 00:09:07,170 He was in and out of consciousness. 102 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:11,130 He had a ventilator, he wasn't able to talk. They had him on these machines. 103 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:16,970 Robin literally came a couple of times to visit, and that was pretty much it. 104 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:22,350 The only thing Robin was always worried about was, "I got to get to the house." 105 00:09:22,430 --> 00:09:24,350 My sister-in-law 106 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,770 didn't give a rat's ass about my brother while he was in the hospital. 107 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:36,820 One of the reasons why Robin didn't come around though, also, 108 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:39,160 there was a fight. 109 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,000 Jerry's mother basically, "You did this on purpose. You did this." 110 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,170 Her swearing up and down, "I didn't do it on purpose. I didn't set this up." 111 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:54,380 If it was in fact, and if there was any proof she was involved with that... 112 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:57,180 - She wouldn't be here right now. - I can guarantee you. 113 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:05,270 The last few days, it was me, my brother, my mom, and dad. 114 00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:11,400 And the last words that he said, he mouthed them to my mom, 115 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,610 "Happy Mothers' Day." 'Cause it was Mothers' Day. 116 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:21,910 And once that happened, his body just started shutting down little by little. 117 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:23,830 There was nothing that no one can do. 118 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:30,880 And the last couple hours, everyone was in the waiting room, but I was like, 119 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,550 "I'm not gonna leave my brother's side and leave him in the room by himself." 120 00:10:35,630 --> 00:10:41,310 So I stood there. I sat next to him. I kept talking to him. 121 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:47,730 Till this day, I don't know if he heard me or not, but I held his hand 122 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:54,570 and I stayed there until the last monitor went down. 123 00:10:57,530 --> 00:11:02,370 Till this day, I don't regret it because he didn't die by himself. 124 00:11:02,450 --> 00:11:06,830 I made sure that I was there. I'm sorry. 125 00:11:10,420 --> 00:11:11,960 I'm sorry. 126 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:17,670 Usually, I don't cry. 127 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,220 I couldn't let him sit there by himself. I couldn't do it. 128 00:11:23,310 --> 00:11:24,680 I stayed there with him. 129 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:29,440 Hardest thing I've ever done in my life but the best thing I've ever done too. 130 00:11:32,770 --> 00:11:39,450 He always wanted his son, Francesco, to be in karate, and this and that. 131 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:41,700 And I promised him I was gonna help take care of him. 132 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:46,830 "I'm gonna look over your son, make sure he grows up to be a good kid." 133 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:51,000 And I promised him that he'd be okay. 134 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,340 "It's okay. I'll take care of him. I'll watch over him." 135 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:57,630 And if he was hearing me, I just want him to know that 136 00:11:57,710 --> 00:12:01,550 the one thing he really cared about was his son. 137 00:12:04,180 --> 00:12:07,520 And that was it. I just want to be sure that he knew. 138 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,950 His heart stopped 139 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:28,040 because he didn't react to the medication. 140 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:30,870 Were you there? 141 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,130 No, I wasn't actually at the hospital because I was... 142 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,720 I really didn't think he was gonna die. You don't think it. 143 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,350 It was early in the morning. My mother got the call. 144 00:12:46,430 --> 00:12:50,060 And she told me, and I just lost it. 145 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,600 Yeah. 146 00:12:54,770 --> 00:12:57,440 It was so horrific. 147 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,700 And that was that. So I had the guilt of driving, 148 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:12,000 the guilt of losing my husband, and my son losing his father. 149 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:15,540 It was just too much to bear. 150 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:30,100 My name is Francesco Gennaro Colombo. Named after Gennaro Colombo. 151 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:34,020 And that was my dad, Jerry, who was being... 152 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:37,770 Everybody's talking about him now 'cause in the 90s he's 153 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:41,610 one of the guys who ran the McDonald's Monopoly scam. 154 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:44,700 So I'm his son. 155 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:48,030 Give daddy a punch. Give daddy a karate kick. 156 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,200 That's no good. 157 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:54,040 When he got in the accident, three days before my birthday, I was two. 158 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,370 I was in the backseat. 159 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,920 And one thing that always stood out for me 160 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,250 is my mom said that my dad took me out of the car seat. 161 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:04,760 Minutes later, we got in the accident, and that car seat was crushed. 162 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,050 So if they wouldn't have done that then I wouldn't be here right now. 163 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:13,390 My grandma, my nana, she showed me a picture of the accident. 164 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,850 I believe I was like nine or ten. And that traumatized me. 165 00:14:17,020 --> 00:14:19,440 It's not something a kid should see. 166 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,190 Especially if that's the car their dad was in, and that's why he's dead. 167 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:29,570 There you go. 168 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,790 There you go. All right. 169 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,300 My whole life, I've always known that there was something missing. 170 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:48,050 And I always felt that that was my dad. 171 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:53,140 And then the moment that she came into my life, it was instantly filled. 172 00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:58,400 Since I didn't know him, I felt like he didn't know me. 173 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,570 But now that I have a kid, I... So much happened in this first year. 174 00:15:04,190 --> 00:15:07,320 I guess this one. You like this? 175 00:15:08,610 --> 00:15:13,870 I'm sitting there playing with her, and... Every day I think about my dad. 176 00:15:13,950 --> 00:15:17,410 I promised my brother that I was gonna help take care of his son, Francesco. 177 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:21,000 But there was a lot of things back then that happened. 178 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,250 There was a fight over custody of Francesco. 179 00:15:24,340 --> 00:15:30,140 My family didn't want us to be any part of Francesco's life whatsoever. 180 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:31,970 We were both devastated. 181 00:15:32,050 --> 00:15:36,100 Last I heard, he's had a baby and so forth and so on. I wish him the best. 182 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:41,270 I want him to know that we desperately did try to be part of his life. 183 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,400 My dad, honestly, I don't have physical memories of him, 184 00:15:48,490 --> 00:15:51,070 but I have a lot of memories from seeing home videos. 185 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,280 - Say, "Hi. I'm Frankie." - Frankie. 186 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:59,540 Laugh. Oh, say Frank, "I don't feel good." Be sad. 187 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:04,040 That's who I remember. 188 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:09,170 I don't see this mobster guy who did all these things. I just see my dad. 189 00:16:16,930 --> 00:16:20,230 Before I knew it, he was gone. 190 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:24,980 I just didn't even know what to think anymore. 191 00:16:25,070 --> 00:16:28,150 I wasn't thinking about the money. I was just thinking, 192 00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:32,070 "Oh, my God. What am I going to do? What am I gonna do?" 193 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:38,120 I don't have anyone to talk to. I don't have anyone to go to. It's just me. 194 00:16:39,450 --> 00:16:43,540 After my brother passed away, a week and a half afterwards, 195 00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:46,750 everything was gone in his house. 196 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,010 All of the antiques. All of the furniture. 197 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:51,470 He had Mickey Mantle cards, Babe Ruth cards. 198 00:16:51,550 --> 00:16:56,300 He had so many things in that house. Everything disappeared. 199 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:03,230 And Robin claimed that, "Oh, we got robbed while we were in the hospital." 200 00:17:03,310 --> 00:17:04,690 Really? 201 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:13,570 I think Robin, as well as friends of hers, stole everything from my brother. 202 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:16,870 All his jewelry, gone. All his furniture, gone. 203 00:17:16,950 --> 00:17:19,700 - There was nothing. - They robbed him blind. 204 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:34,260 We heard your house with Jerry got robbed and everything got cleaned out. 205 00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:37,680 - Did that happen? - Yeah. Yeah. 206 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,560 There is a bunch of... We had a casino. 207 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,270 And they got all our slot machines. 208 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:52,280 - This happened right after his death? - Yeah. 209 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,450 - Who did this, what happened? - I don't know. I didn't care. 210 00:17:58,530 --> 00:18:03,120 When you lose... you don't think about, you don't give a shit. 211 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,250 I didn't give a shit about that stuff, at all. 212 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:15,510 He wasn't messing with the most savory kind of people, you know? 213 00:18:19,260 --> 00:18:21,310 I don't know. 214 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:24,890 I don't know. 215 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,650 My grandparents did put point blame at my mom. And that's not cool. 216 00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:34,690 She lost her husband. You know, she lost her soul mate. 217 00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:40,580 I, 100%, don't believe that was something that she did on purpose. 218 00:18:40,660 --> 00:18:44,330 Robin had lived the lavish lifestyle when she was married to Jerry. 219 00:18:44,410 --> 00:18:48,290 She had the money. She had the car. She had the big house. She had everything. 220 00:18:48,370 --> 00:18:54,710 Once Jerry passed away, that money, that cash cow you may call it, is gone. 221 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,050 So now, at this point, Robin's hungry for that money, 222 00:18:58,130 --> 00:19:02,180 so she literally would do anything at all to have the money. 223 00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:04,100 Spin the Wheel of Justice. 224 00:19:04,180 --> 00:19:07,560 Let's spin the wheel and see who it lands on this week. 225 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,610 We've come up on Ms. Colombo. She's been on the wheel a couple of weeks. 226 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:22,370 Okay. Robin Colombo's wanted for grand theft auto. 227 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:24,950 If you know where she is or any of the suspects on the wheel, 228 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,620 please call Crime Stoppers. That number is 866-845-TIPS. 229 00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:31,290 - Officer Hartley, thank you. - Always a pleasure. 230 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:35,880 So she started doing check fraud. 231 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:39,260 She would get checks that were unworthy and no money to back them. 232 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:44,890 And she would write them out and cash them. And she got caught for that. 233 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:47,890 I remember Francesco explaining this, as young as he was, 234 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:51,940 about how he would go into a store and his mom would tell him 235 00:19:52,020 --> 00:19:55,320 to pick up a $200, $300 pocket book and just carry it out, 236 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,740 because the security wouldn't stop a child. 237 00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:00,360 Or if they did, it was, "Oh, put that down, Francesco." 238 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,240 Yeah. "That's not yours." 239 00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:06,040 She was training him at a very young age 'cause she needed that money. 240 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:12,380 I went to prison. I was trying to keep up the lifestyle. 241 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:18,670 Uncle Jerry never even contacted me after Jerry, my husband, died. Nope. 242 00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:21,220 I don't... Yeah. 243 00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:27,680 I'll admit. The first couple of days, I had tickets in my hand. I'm like, 244 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:31,890 "Should I take over his business now?" 245 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:34,150 - Because I could've easily... - He could've. 246 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:39,280 I could've easily went to Uncle Jerry and say, "Hey let's continue this." 247 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,200 I could've easily kept it going. 248 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,580 But I didn't, 'cause I didn't wanna look over my shoulder. 249 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:50,290 I thought they had it stopped when my brother passed away. 250 00:20:50,370 --> 00:20:54,460 So I wasn't gonna use them, give them to anybody, or try to sell them. 251 00:20:54,540 --> 00:20:59,130 I just destroyed them, hoping that it was never gonna be found out. 252 00:20:59,210 --> 00:21:01,260 That was my goal. 253 00:21:01,420 --> 00:21:05,850 I said my whole life, you can get away with something over and over and over, 254 00:21:05,930 --> 00:21:08,350 you only got to be caught once. 255 00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:10,480 You get caught once, you're done. 256 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:24,110 At this point, Operation Final Answer was moving fast. 257 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,120 Everything was on the table. 258 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,580 It's like a factory. Everybody's working. Everybody's writing. 259 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:35,830 They're reviewing tapes. It's a whole elaborate team effort process. 260 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,460 In order to do this scam, 261 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:41,920 Jerry Jacobson needed what we refer to as middlemen. 262 00:21:42,090 --> 00:21:47,600 One of the early middleman was Jerry Colombo who died in a car accident. 263 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:50,720 Okay. Now what? 264 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:56,900 The one thing that was still out there was really how mechanically is, 265 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:59,440 is Jerry Jacobson doing this. 266 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,360 And that was kind of this nagging question mark. 267 00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:07,530 We were just building the puzzle from all the pieces, 268 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:11,240 and they were so many different pieces that we were putting together. 269 00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:16,290 We were working a lot with the Atlanta division who had a surveillance team. 270 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:21,880 Like in the movies, guys parked in cars or following with binoculars, cameras, 271 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:27,050 painting the picture of this guy, his background, and who he was. 272 00:22:27,130 --> 00:22:29,720 Undercover tapes and the video were coming in. 273 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,230 Conversations on the wiretap were coming in. Lot of moving parts. 274 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:36,100 Jerry was paranoid. 275 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:40,270 He's been talking about his phone being tapped ever since we were in Florida. 276 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,860 He would always say, "Don't say that. Our phones might be tapped. 277 00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:48,360 Somebody might be listening. You never know who's gonna hear you." 278 00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:52,540 And one day, we were just chitchatting, and I said something. 279 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:54,330 I didn't think it was a big deal 280 00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:57,000 and he said, "Watch out. Don't say it like that." 281 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,630 So in a few minutes, I finally say, "Hey, Jerry, 282 00:22:59,790 --> 00:23:03,630 when did you tell Leo to go kill the President?" 283 00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:06,050 And he hung up on me. 284 00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:08,590 I'm thinking to myself, 285 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,310 "Why do you think somebody would find you so interesting 286 00:23:13,390 --> 00:23:16,480 that they would wanna tap your phones?" 287 00:23:17,890 --> 00:23:20,100 Jerry Jacobson was controlling all the pieces at that point, 288 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:23,650 so he needed to replace Colombo as quickly as possible. 289 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:27,900 Identification of sources that he could use of recruiters 290 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:29,950 became his fulltime job. 291 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:34,580 One of the middle men, AJ Glomb, came on the radar, screened fairly early. 292 00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:39,330 After Colombo died, Glomb had a number of telephonic conversations 293 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:45,050 with Jerry Jacobson. And we follow where the evidence leads you. 294 00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:58,770 My name is Andrew Glomb. I go by AJ. 295 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,610 One day a friend of mine called me up and he said, 296 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:07,940 "I have something you might be interested in. Write down this number, 297 00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:11,610 and go to a phone booth and call me." I was like, "Oh, no, no." 298 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:15,370 I said, "I had enough of that in my life! 299 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:18,500 Come on, I just got off probation a couple years ago." 300 00:24:18,580 --> 00:24:24,790 I had just finished up a drug sentence and I didn't want anything to happen. 301 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,340 How did you get into selling drugs? 302 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:31,590 Actually, that's one of the best parts of the whole story. 303 00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:38,770 First time I ever did any kind of drugs was with Harold Robbins, 304 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:41,980 a writer. And we were in Monte Carlo. 305 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,940 And he had a bunch of girls. Women that were talking... And his books. 306 00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:51,650 Whenever they were having sex, 307 00:24:51,820 --> 00:24:56,280 they always did amyl nitrate before they had an orgasm. 308 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:02,460 And so I said, "Harold, do you have amyl nitrate?" 309 00:25:02,540 --> 00:25:06,290 He said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You want some?" I said, "Yeah." 310 00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:07,840 I didn't know what I was doing. 311 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,010 So I'm sitting there and this girl says, "Let's dance." 312 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,720 I said, "All right. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God." 313 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:21,310 Everybody said, "What's wrong? What's wrong?" I said, "I don't know." 314 00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:26,190 So I called my friend. I said, "Steve, get me out of here." 315 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:29,570 So that was my first thing with drugs. 316 00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:34,280 So how I got into selling them... I had a cousin. He says, 317 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:39,700 "Can you get me some Quaaludes?" "So let me ask one of my buddies." 318 00:25:39,790 --> 00:25:42,580 I said, "Steve, can you get Quaaludes?" 319 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:45,620 He said, "Yeah. How many you want?" And I said, "I don't know." 320 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:48,210 I said "How much are they?" He said, "Well, how much do you wanna make?" 321 00:25:48,290 --> 00:25:52,380 I said, How much is there to make?" So that's how I got into drugs. 322 00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:56,800 And then in 1982, 323 00:25:56,890 --> 00:26:02,060 I had sent some drugs out to a friend of mine, a customer of mine. 324 00:26:02,890 --> 00:26:08,400 They were selling to somebody who was on the hook to the DEA. 325 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,150 And they followed him to the airport. 326 00:26:15,150 --> 00:26:19,450 Next thing you know boom, DEA comes out of everywhere. 327 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,120 So I got twelve years for six ounces of cocaine. 328 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,500 I was supposed to report to Montgomery, Alabama. 329 00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:34,840 And they gave me 30 days or 60 days to report, 330 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,850 so I just didn't report. I waited till like almost the last day. 331 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:45,980 And then I took off for New York for 16 months. 332 00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:47,640 I was a fugitive. 333 00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:51,230 You're always worried. 334 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,940 Looking over your shoulder every time you see two guys with suits on. 335 00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:57,450 You think it's over. 336 00:26:57,610 --> 00:27:01,700 It's like, this could be your last day before you go to jail, 337 00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:04,790 so just live it to the fullest. 338 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:09,250 So it's like a movie. You're living a movie. 339 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:15,840 But then I bought a Ferrari in Germany, and I shipped it to Long Beach. 340 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:20,840 Anyway, I got arrested in a doughnut shop in San Diego. 341 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,650 When I got out of prison, my friend Don Hart called me and said 342 00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:39,990 that he had something that I might be interested in. This Monopoly game. 343 00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:42,620 I was very skeptical, and I told him, 344 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,620 "You know, Don, I just got off a parole." 345 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:49,580 I said, "I don't think I wanna know anything about it." 346 00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:53,500 And then probably two or three days later, I said, 347 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:55,750 "Let's meet and we'll talk about it." 348 00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:04,810 Don was one of my best friends for, oh, jeez, 40 some years. 349 00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:08,020 Very wealthy. He was very well-respected. 350 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:12,150 And he had a friend that had access to tickets. 351 00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:16,280 I said, "Why would the guy give you, of all people in the world, 352 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:17,730 a ticket like this?" 353 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,900 He says, "'cause he knows I'm not gonna screw him out of anything." 354 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:23,700 And it made sense. I said, "Yeah. You're right." 355 00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:27,540 He said, "You know, they need winners." He says, "I have one, 356 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:33,210 a ticket that you could cash in for a million dollars, and we'll share it." 357 00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:38,090 When somebody offers you a million dollars, you're gonna take it. 358 00:28:38,170 --> 00:28:43,550 Unless you got to kill somebody, then you might not... be interested. 359 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:47,390 But I start thinking about it. I said, 360 00:28:47,470 --> 00:28:51,730 "I better not do this to myself. I don't want to go back to prison." 361 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,860 So I had a friend in San Diego. 362 00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:59,860 I got a plane and flew to San Diego the next day. 363 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:03,740 And then I ran it by him, told him how it worked and everything. 364 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:09,040 And we were gonna split it three ways: me, Don Hart, and Stanley, 365 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,200 who I was giving the ticket to. 366 00:29:11,290 --> 00:29:13,620 And I remember he told me the manager said, 367 00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:19,630 "The last time somebody won, they gave the ticket to St. Jude." 368 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,890 So Stanley says, "Well, it's not happening this time. 369 00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:28,890 It's not going to anybody except me." 370 00:29:30,430 --> 00:29:34,310 So that was it. So he mailed it in and after that, 371 00:29:34,390 --> 00:29:38,610 I made several trips out to California to get the money from him. 372 00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:42,320 After Stanley was Richard Sokolski, I believe. 373 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,990 Victor Marcitello was the third person I gave a ticket to. 374 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,540 I met him in prison in West Virginia. 375 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:56,330 The next was Stan Warwick in Chicago, 1999. 376 00:29:56,420 --> 00:30:03,050 Stan was a heart transplant recipient and these newscasters said, 377 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:09,510 there's a guy with a heart transplant eating McDonald's. 378 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,640 - Free food. - Yup. We have free food. 379 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,940 - And another free sandwich. - Yeah, there you go. 380 00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:17,520 I'm too nervous. I can't do this. 381 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:24,990 I don't think I met Jerry until halfway through all these people. 382 00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:30,660 It must've been in '99 at Don's party. 383 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:32,040 What was your first impression of meeting him? 384 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,620 Nothing. I didn't think nothing on it. To sort of non-descript. 385 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,670 Then eventually, Don didn't wanna be involved. 386 00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:45,010 He says I don't want no money. I don't want anything. I'm out of this. 387 00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:49,800 It was just me and Jerry trying to get other people involved. 388 00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:55,060 But I can honestly say I never had a close relationship with him. 389 00:30:56,430 --> 00:31:01,480 Turned out Andrew Glomb was a large recruiter. 390 00:31:01,570 --> 00:31:08,360 Had provided quite a few, had enriched himself and Uncle Jerry, 391 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:11,870 he had a wide net there of individuals 392 00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:14,870 who were willing to participate in this fraud scheme. 393 00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:22,170 So when we're on the phones, we need to be on the recruiters 394 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,760 and that's where we were focusing our investigation. 395 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,220 Everybody got a bill every month with all the long distance calls you made. 396 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,010 And I remember looking at the toll records. 397 00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:35,020 On one part of the ledger is all your winners and their phone numbers 398 00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:37,930 then on the other end of the ledger, Jerry Jacobson. 399 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:42,060 And of the hundreds of calls that each made, there would be, 400 00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:44,440 "Wow, they're both calling a common number. Look at that. 401 00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:49,570 We have this winner has called AJ Glomb. So has Jerry Jacobson." 402 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:52,410 But yeah, that's how we started finding other middle men. 403 00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:55,700 So then you start looking at Dwight Baker. 404 00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:14,470 Gorgeous subdivision. 405 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:17,350 I developed it in '87, '88. 406 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:21,270 Well, half a million, about 450 or not. 407 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,900 I owned all this property on the left at one time. 408 00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:27,650 I was gonna build a little golf course in here. 409 00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:31,650 I'm Dwight Baker. Developer. Got a real estate broker's license 410 00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:34,910 and builder's license and developed quite a number of projects, 411 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:38,620 probably over 1400 different acres in South Carolina. 412 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:44,420 I met Jerry. 413 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:48,130 When I sold Jerry a piece of property in a subdivision 414 00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:50,920 and ended up building him a house and a dock. 415 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:54,140 Then I sold him a couple lots in another subdivision. 416 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:58,810 Right below that sign there are the two lots Jacobson owned. 417 00:32:58,970 --> 00:33:03,350 Right here. It's this property here. 418 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:08,360 I don't know if there's houses on them now or not. 419 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,030 My family 420 00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:18,120 probably not gonna be happy with me sitting here and telling this story. 421 00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:23,920 We were all LDS, which was Latter Day Saint family. 422 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,040 And I had a high profile in the community. 423 00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:31,630 You try to live a good life. You try to do what's right. 424 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,930 One of my biggest regret is being involved in this McDonald's thing. 425 00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:39,720 Yeah, I shouldn't have been involved in it. 426 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,980 Yup. 427 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:47,980 At that time, I was so successful that 428 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:50,860 one day I jumped on a motor grader 429 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,490 and had an accident. 430 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,450 I was backing up the hill when it was stalled out. 431 00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:05,250 And I went into the big pile of rock. 432 00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,630 Put me in the hospital 10 days. 433 00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:16,050 That's when Jerry first let me know what he did. 434 00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:19,050 And it was quite interesting. 435 00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:27,850 He called me while I was recuperating from the accident 436 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:31,440 and asked me if I wanted to ride up the mountain. I said, 437 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,650 "Y'all have to pull up to the door because I got a walker." 438 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:39,990 So he pulls up to the back door and we go riding up the mountain. 439 00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:49,000 He said he was representing McDonald's in the distribution of the game pieces. 440 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,880 He knew I was going through a tough time. 441 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,130 So he offered me a game piece if I had a hundred thousand dollars. 442 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:58,260 I didn't have a hundred thousand, 443 00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:01,890 so, he said, "Listen, if you want one, it's a hundred thousand dollars. 444 00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:04,100 It's the only way you're gonna get one." He said, 445 00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:07,100 "I have the responsibility of distributing, they tell me where to go. 446 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:10,770 So if you want a game piece, this is how it's done." 447 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:15,610 This is the subdivision we were in, traded game pieces and gave him money. 448 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:21,320 It is a secluded place, yeah. It's a secluded place. 449 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,450 I knew he was selling game pieces. And maybe he was doing something illegal. 450 00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:31,040 And I ask him, "Jerry, what happens if McDonald's finds out about it?" 451 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:33,880 He said, "They're not gonna do anything about it." I said, "Why is that?" 452 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,720 He said, "Because these game pieces increase their sales by seven percent 453 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,840 out of twenty-six thousand stores. 454 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,850 Factoring in a million-dollar game piece on that kind of money, 455 00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:47,850 eighty-nine million, a hundred million dollars. They didn't care. 456 00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:49,890 If somebody got it, they didn't care if it went in the trash. 457 00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:52,110 They didn't care about it. It was factored in." 458 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:54,900 That was his story. I bought it. 459 00:35:56,570 --> 00:36:01,700 I didn't believe there was anything other than we were cheating in a game. 460 00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:07,540 I don't know if it was the oxycodone from the accident, but I took my part. 461 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:11,330 I didn't know if I was ever gonna walk again, let alone, work again. 462 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:16,170 "I don't have a hundred thousand, but I might know somebody that does." 463 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,090 Breakfast, lunch, or dinner. There's always a line. 464 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:21,930 - Hey, a Big Mac combo please. - Yeah. 465 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,760 Serving over 13 million McDonald's customers each year in the US, 466 00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:32,270 double that globally. So you can imagine how rare it is to see this. 467 00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:37,070 George Chandler of Walhalla just won a million dollars 468 00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:41,400 in the Hatch, Match, and Win game right here in West Union. 469 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:43,200 And Chandler was all smiles. 470 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,620 My breakfast, I got my hash browns and coffee, 471 00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:52,620 filled it off, and there it was. 472 00:36:56,090 --> 00:37:01,170 Oh, beautiful for spacious skies. 473 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:05,970 For amber waves of grain. 474 00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:10,730 For purple mountain majesties. 475 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:12,810 Come on over here, girls. 476 00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:17,480 Across the fruited plain. 477 00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:20,480 America. Come on. 478 00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:23,070 America. 479 00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:26,950 God shed his grace on thee. 480 00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:30,200 Just like that. See? They like it. 481 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,920 From sea to shining sea. 482 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,130 We should've brought some more feed to the girls. 483 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:42,050 I'm a pretty lucky guy. 484 00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:44,930 It's not within my personal capacity 485 00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:49,180 to have achieved a lot of things I've been able to do in life. 486 00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:53,520 I don't know, they say God looks after fools and children. 487 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,980 I don't know which category I fall into, but it's one of them. 488 00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,030 All right. Where do we go from here? 489 00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:13,200 I'm George Chandler. I grew up in abject poverty. I was raised Mormon. 490 00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:18,250 One of eight kids and we grew up here in rural Oconee County, South Carolina, 491 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,250 and we were poor. I didn't have running water until 1986. 492 00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:26,510 We're not talking about ancient history here, we're talking about 1986. 493 00:38:26,590 --> 00:38:31,510 Most people have running water at that point and we were still using a well. 494 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,720 What do you think? 495 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:35,020 Dwight was very successful. 496 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:39,810 He had a family and he had five kids. I became friends with his son. 497 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,610 And when I was about 12, I left home 498 00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:49,740 and Dwight Baker was foster father to me for a time. 499 00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:55,790 Well, George and I, we went to church together, families so we took him in. 500 00:38:55,870 --> 00:39:00,080 We became foster parents for George and he grew up with our kids. 501 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:04,170 Being in such a big family and being poor especially, 502 00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:08,510 why would I not wanna move in with Dwight? 503 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:16,230 He drove a BMW and had those successful characteristics 504 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,270 that I wanted. 505 00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:23,270 George has always been highly special. 506 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:29,490 He wanted just to absorb knowledge, absorb anything you could teach him. 507 00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:34,330 He knew if he's gonna get out, he needed to work hard. 508 00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:38,460 When I was 15 years old, I quit school. 509 00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:42,590 I grown a moustache to make me look older and called some local employers 510 00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:46,090 that I was 18 and I immediately went to work. 511 00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:48,970 I worked sixteen hours a day instead of eight. 512 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:53,470 That proved to work for me and became an entrepreneur. 513 00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:57,350 Communications company, septic system installers, security company, 514 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,730 medical alarm monitoring, industrial programming, residential rentals, 515 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:01,980 commercial rentals. 516 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:05,650 I probably would've been a millionaire by the time I was 25. 517 00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:10,570 So when Dwight came to me with a ticket, 518 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:16,120 he knew that I was in a position that I had some cash to work with. 519 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,790 This is a million-dollar winning ticket 520 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,340 and he's got it in a Ziploc sandwich bag that's not even zipped 521 00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:30,420 and he lays it down on my desk, and I take it out, look at it. 522 00:40:30,510 --> 00:40:34,890 It just says one million dollar winner, call 1-800 whatever. 523 00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:41,190 I said, "A friend got this million dollar game piece from McDonald's." 524 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:45,270 "He's going through divorce." I said, "He offered to sell it to me." 525 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,280 "I'll split it with her and pay the taxes." I said, "I'll sell it for 100K" 526 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,360 Because he's going through a divorce 527 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:57,830 and he doesn't think the ticket should be considered marital property. 528 00:40:57,910 --> 00:41:02,960 With Dwight's friend, I didn't know this guy from Adam, never met him. 529 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,170 But I had already gone through a very bitter divorce myself. 530 00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:10,760 So I felt like it was a legitimate concern. 531 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,590 He was already separated 532 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,470 and it wasn't like he had this while he was happily married. 533 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,310 Why did you think you'd have to tell a divorce story, 534 00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:22,560 instead of just telling him what Jerry told you? 535 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,940 Well, because... 536 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,690 I didn't want him to know I was involved in it, 537 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:35,200 in something that wasn't real. 538 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,870 That had a tent of... 539 00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:42,080 I knew Jerry has done something wrong, 540 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,040 it didn't feel like it was the right thing to do for me to be involved. 541 00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:51,090 But yeah, I did it out of expediency maybe 542 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:56,050 and I just tried to protect him from the truth of it. 543 00:41:56,140 --> 00:42:00,180 Because if it did backfire and it wasn't going... it wasn't right, 544 00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:04,310 he didn't need to have any knowledge of anything. 545 00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:08,020 I took that all on my shoulders. So... 546 00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:11,150 He basically asked me, 547 00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:15,860 would I be interested in buying the ticket from them and then redeeming it. 548 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:18,780 Everybody was collecting the tickets. 549 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:21,580 They're buying and selling these tickets on the internet. 550 00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:25,250 Not million-dollar winners, but certainly prize-winning tickets 551 00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:29,000 and ones that matchup like Boardwalk and Park Place. 552 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,420 I told Dwight, "Yeah, I'll probably do a hundred thousand dollars." 553 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:36,840 You win $50,000 a year for 20 years. 554 00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:41,760 And I had to pay taxes on this money, so I had to figure that in my mind 555 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:45,480 but I felt like somewhere along, about the third year, I would start... 556 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,810 I'll gain something. It wasn't a tremendously beneficial thing, 557 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:53,110 it wasn't like I was just gonna get this huge pile of money. 558 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:56,610 But it was nonetheless still a good business decision, 559 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:59,280 a good business deal. So I did it. 560 00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:06,330 We were up on Dwight's firm and then we start to figure out, 561 00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:10,500 "Is there anything with this person, George Chandler?" Yeah. 562 00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:12,130 There might be something there. 563 00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:15,050 Many times, we thought, "Well, how much bigger can this get?" 564 00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:16,170 And it would get bigger, 565 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,300 "How much further back could it go?" And it would go back further. 566 00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:22,390 I had never seen anything like that and still haven't. 567 00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:37,280 What Jerry did with other people, as far as the money goes, I don't know. 568 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:47,790 To the best of my knowledge, all of mine, I believe, were 50,000. 569 00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:50,580 You could go down this list. 570 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:54,840 I had one, two, three, four, eight, nine, ten winners. 571 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,760 Out of giving away $10 million dollars, 572 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,390 I made $614,000. 573 00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:06,600 So how stupid am I? 574 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,730 Then we come to Michael Hoover. 575 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:19,990 August 2001. 576 00:44:20,530 --> 00:44:24,410 Michael Hoover was one of the most generous people we ever met, 577 00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:29,160 a great, great friend, just real easygoing, nothing bothered him. 578 00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:32,250 He sold a lot of drugs. 579 00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:39,840 That's how we became friends. I used to go out to Vegas back in the '70s 580 00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:42,880 and Mike was a dealer. 581 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,850 I called him, I said, "I got something that you might be interested in." 582 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:53,270 I picked up the ticket from Jerry in Atlanta. 583 00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:56,150 And so I went up there and gave him the ticket. 584 00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:03,700 He claimed the ticket and they did the filming with the commercial. 585 00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:06,620 This is where I lost my People Magazine. 586 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:09,910 I'm glad that after the beach, I stopped and picked up another one. 587 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,920 He called me and said, this production company did the commercial. 588 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,340 "This girl is really hot. I think she really liked me." 589 00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:21,840 I said, "Oh, great." I didn't think nothing out of it. 590 00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:27,470 In the wire room, we're listening some of those phone calls to Hoover. 591 00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:32,230 Glomb was on the other side going, "Really? What did she look like?" 592 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:36,060 I think all of the winners thought I really liked them, 593 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,400 that's the kind of person I am. I was interviewing them like a friend, 594 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,150 so it was my job to make sure that they felt comfortable. 595 00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:49,080 She was sick to her stomach. That was her reaction and she goes, 596 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,620 "What? How could he ever get that vibe?" 597 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,340 I guess she wasn't. 598 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:03,970 I guess I'm a better actress than I thought I was. 599 00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:11,720 I've been a lot of places, met a lot of people, 600 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:16,480 even been as far away as North Carolina one time. 601 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:25,450 But I've never been to a place where the people, the hospitality, 602 00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:29,410 the neighborliness and all that are as good as they are here. 603 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:40,040 You really find out who your friends are when you're down. 604 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:44,340 And I've never had the opportunity 605 00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:47,430 with some of those people to give them the entire story. 606 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:55,480 Good job, Gary. 607 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,390 Nice job, Gary. Nice job. 608 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,980 To tell 'em exactly why I'm innocent. 609 00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:07,240 This is the McDonald's where it all happened. 610 00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:14,740 There was a press conference, a party and a real Ronald McDonald was here. 611 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,750 It was kind of surreal. 612 00:47:20,830 --> 00:47:24,800 He said, "Mom, I won a million dollar," I said, "Prove it!" 613 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,920 He said, "Mom, it's real." 614 00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:32,390 I didn't he was serious, I was like, you're not serious. 615 00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:34,760 As a single father to eight-year-old Russell, 616 00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:38,640 George Chandler says he will use his winnings to help raise his son. 617 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:42,110 He'll get $50,000 a year for the next 20 years. 618 00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:45,280 It wasn't an immediate thing. Ultimately, 619 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,450 it done a lot more harm than good, and I already run up a business in town, 620 00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:54,580 and I was surrounded by this notion that I was a millionaire now. 621 00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:59,960 I didn't need to work, I didn't need any new customers. 622 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:06,090 I had to put out a hundred thousand dollars of my own money for this thing. 623 00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:10,090 And I had no question whatsoever 624 00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:13,930 about the authenticity or legitimacy of the ticket 625 00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,890 or the origination... None ever occurred to me, 626 00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:19,810 and we're talking about Dwight Baker. 627 00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:24,060 I didn't take any cut out of the money. And it was all Jerry's. 628 00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:26,320 I told him, I said, "George, listen." 629 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,570 "You just give me a Navigator and a laptop and I'll be happy." 630 00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:32,910 Didn't want George to think bad of me, 631 00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:37,370 for actually having a little larceny in my heart. 632 00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:43,370 I didn't won a whole lot, I just won a little laptop and a Navigator. 633 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,340 Then I went to Ronnie Hughey and offered it to him. 634 00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:52,260 And that's how my greed kicked in. 635 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,060 Ronnie was just a high roller. He was going through a divorce and he said, 636 00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:01,180 "I'll take two or three of this." 637 00:49:04,770 --> 00:49:07,520 That was probably the real... 638 00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:13,030 ... where I really stepped over the boundary was when Ronnie said, 639 00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:15,950 "I'll take one, or two, or three of that." 640 00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:18,660 And I knew he could. 641 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,370 And I remember Jerry telling me, "You're getting a little greedy." 642 00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:26,250 Yeah. 643 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:33,680 Each time is a little different. From Ronnie Hughey I got a lake lot or two. 644 00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:41,100 Jerry brought me fries and a drink, and you had the game pieces on. 645 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:47,480 And I'd pay him in a brown McDonald's bag, cash in the McDonald's bag, money. 646 00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:56,860 Did Jerry at any point ever tell you how he got the tickets? 647 00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:58,990 Never asked him. 648 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,120 Jerry used to say all the time, this is gonna be the last one. 649 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,000 "This is gonna be the last one." And then one time he said, 650 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,710 there's gonna be a five-million-dollar prize that they're gonna give. 651 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,420 You take that one... 652 00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:18,680 And I don't know how we're gonna split it, but he said, then that's it. 653 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,560 We'll ride into the sunset and forget it so... 654 00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:30,060 Jerry was very proud but very secretive. 655 00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:34,240 He never talked about anything with anybody else. 656 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:39,160 I knew he was selling the game pieces, 657 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,830 but I didn't know to what degree. 658 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:48,500 Jerry told me, "There's a half-a-million-dollar game piece, 659 00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:52,500 with a McDonald's issue on $500,000 check cash. 660 00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:57,800 And we didn't have to wait 50,000 a year." And I wanted it. 661 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:04,220 And so, I made arrangements with my wife's sister, Brenda. 662 00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:08,980 And I said, "Cash that check and we'll split it." 663 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,570 I thought it was gonne be a tough sell, but it wasn't. 664 00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:21,910 And we created an address for her in Asheville, North Carolina. 665 00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:28,080 She turned in the game piece, we didn't talk for a while, but time had lapsed, 666 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,880 there was no reason for her to have not been paid on the game piece. 667 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,050 And I said, "I'm gonna go up to Asheville and see what's going on." 668 00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:41,220 And I went up there. 669 00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:46,560 The damn FedEx thing had been opened and fallen on the floor, 670 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,850 and I said, "She's got the damn money." 671 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,900 Brenda decided that she was gonna keep all the money, run with the money. 672 00:51:57,990 --> 00:52:03,240 That scared the shit out of me because I knew Jerry wasn't gonna be happy. 673 00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:09,330 Jerry told me, "If there's a problem, I'd get a visit from his cousin Guido. 674 00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,210 And I took that pretty serious. 675 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,630 I went to my wife and I said, "She's running with the money." 676 00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:22,130 And that's what really hooked her in, that's where she got a problem. 677 00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:25,560 Because she looked at it as her money. 678 00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,930 Did you try to stop her? 679 00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:30,940 Yeah. 680 00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:39,490 And... 681 00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:41,610 my wife could not stay off the telephone. 682 00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:51,540 Dwight Baker made a phone call to Brenda Phenas and for whatever reason 683 00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:56,500 didn't disconnect the phone which we were still monitoring. 684 00:52:56,590 --> 00:53:00,380 And it was like having a bug in their car. 685 00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:02,380 So, inside the wire room, 686 00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:09,140 we're hearing how Brenda Phenas was running around the Indianapolis Airport 687 00:53:09,310 --> 00:53:11,850 and Dwight was looking to bury her somewhere. 688 00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:15,400 They're saying he's following her to the airport, 689 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,280 he says he's gonna kill her, but there was a lot of concern on that. 690 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,110 What are we gonna do if they are in fact really gonna harm her? 691 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,240 We've obviously have to intervene. 692 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,790 But that would have serious consequences for the investigation. 693 00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:33,660 One little slip up could shut it down. 694 00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:42,300 To me, Dwight was a man of integrity and character. 695 00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:48,390 It just did not occur to me that he would do something like that. 696 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,730 He can't be trusted what he have. 697 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,690 Okay! 698 00:53:55,850 --> 00:53:57,440 George... 699 00:53:57,610 --> 00:53:59,070 George! George! 700 00:53:59,150 --> 00:54:00,520 Let's have fun, y'all. 701 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,950 She got run over by a damn... yeah. 702 00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:08,200 Yeah. Yeah. 703 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:15,370 And so I'll hang around as long as you will let me. 704 00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:18,000 Oh, sounds good. 705 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:25,010 And I never minded standing here in the rain. 706 00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:31,220 Because it's an airport, everything is monitored live, it's a public place, 707 00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:34,520 and we had people on scene there watching the cameras, 708 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:40,150 agents who could blend in the crowd at the airport ready to take action. 709 00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:08,760 In a lot of cases, really bad things happen. 710 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:11,470 Things go wrong, they always do. 64437

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