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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1201 01:43:19,125 --> 01:43:20,387 And taking baths. 1202 01:43:21,894 --> 01:43:25,386 Susan Atkins said that Manson was trying to ignite Helter Skelter. 1203 01:43:25,565 --> 01:43:28,898 She described it as the final war, all the wars rolled into one. 1204 01:43:29,068 --> 01:43:32,435 An apocalyptic vision in which the black man would take over. 1205 01:43:32,605 --> 01:43:35,574 -That's unbelievable. -Unbelievable, right? Too far out. 1206 01:43:35,741 --> 01:43:38,175 Maybe we just better start believing it anyhow. 1207 01:43:38,811 --> 01:43:42,907 Five and a half months after the killings, Judge Dell sits in for Judge Keene. 1208 01:43:43,082 --> 01:43:47,178 l ought to have the same rights and privileges as any other attorney. 1209 01:43:47,587 --> 01:43:51,614 But l wanna interview Linda Kasabian and Sadie Mae Glutz... 1210 01:43:51,791 --> 01:43:54,555 ...and their attorneys say that l can't. 1211 01:43:54,727 --> 01:43:56,854 They have a right to do that, Mr. Manson. 1212 01:43:57,096 --> 01:43:59,564 Well, l got a message from Sadie. 1213 01:43:59,732 --> 01:44:03,668 And she told me the district attorney made her say what she said. 1214 01:44:04,203 --> 01:44:06,763 That's too nonsensical to respond to, Your Honor. 1215 01:44:06,939 --> 01:44:11,376 Your Honor, the people are prepared to go to trial at the earliest possible date. 1216 01:44:14,847 --> 01:44:17,509 l'm not ready, Your Honor. l need more time. 1217 01:44:23,389 --> 01:44:25,857 Continuance granted to February 9th. 1218 01:44:37,003 --> 01:44:40,495 That's one way to get a message to Sadie. Tell the press we coerced her. 1219 01:44:40,673 --> 01:44:44,803 lt's the next best thing to picking up the phone and telling her how to recant. 1220 01:44:45,278 --> 01:44:47,007 Hi, guy. 1221 01:44:52,551 --> 01:44:56,282 The exact measurements of the LaBianca knife wounds. Okay. 1222 01:44:56,455 --> 01:44:57,717 But why? 1223 01:44:57,890 --> 01:45:01,986 l need to prove that some wounds were made by knives other than the kitchen's. 1224 01:45:02,295 --> 01:45:03,956 l don't get it. 1225 01:45:04,497 --> 01:45:07,193 lf the wounds were made by the LaBianca's knives... 1226 01:45:07,366 --> 01:45:11,359 ...the logical inference would be that they entered the residence unarmed... 1227 01:45:11,537 --> 01:45:14,472 ...then killed the LaBianca's with their kitchen knives. 1228 01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,835 Defense counsel could raise a good point. 1229 01:45:17,009 --> 01:45:20,638 lf Manson sent them to kill, why would he send them unarmed? 1230 01:45:21,347 --> 01:45:24,578 Oh, right. Good thinking, Vince. 1231 01:45:27,887 --> 01:45:30,913 -Hi, Manny. -Hey, Vince. l just got word that-- 1232 01:45:31,090 --> 01:45:33,081 This album's got all the words on it. 1233 01:45:33,259 --> 01:45:36,626 Yeah, l know. All the stuff that they wrote on the walls. 1234 01:45:38,464 --> 01:45:39,761 You knew about that? 1235 01:45:39,932 --> 01:45:43,424 Well, sure. l talked to Art and Mark about it only a week or so... 1236 01:45:43,602 --> 01:45:45,934 -...after Tate was killed. -Give me strength. 1237 01:45:46,105 --> 01:45:48,972 l even put it in the report, but it seemed so, you know.... 1238 01:45:49,141 --> 01:45:51,405 -Weird. Too far out. -Yeah. Crazy. 1239 01:45:51,577 --> 01:45:53,101 -Unbelievable. -You said it. 1240 01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:57,716 No, unbelievable how in a crime like this, everyone looks for conventional clues... 1241 01:45:57,883 --> 01:46:00,545 -...instead of crazy ones. -l got good news for you. 1242 01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,518 Lieutenant got word they're gonna turn Watson over. 1243 01:46:03,689 --> 01:46:05,418 -lt's about time. -How about that? 1244 01:46:05,591 --> 01:46:09,425 The Texas Secretary of State just signed the extradition order. 1245 01:46:09,595 --> 01:46:13,122 Listen, you're not gonna try and make a motive out of this... 1246 01:46:13,299 --> 01:46:16,894 ...Helter Skelter stuff are you? Nobody will buy it. 1247 01:46:17,069 --> 01:46:18,696 Unbelievable? 1248 01:46:18,871 --> 01:46:21,101 Manny, do you ever light those things? 1249 01:46:21,273 --> 01:46:23,070 Nope. 1250 01:46:23,309 --> 01:46:25,140 Unbelievable. 1251 01:46:29,749 --> 01:46:33,185 You're arraigned on seven counts of murder... 1252 01:46:33,352 --> 01:46:37,220 ...and one count of conspiracy to murder. 1253 01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:40,325 Five months after the killings, Kasabian is arraigned... 1254 01:46:40,493 --> 01:46:43,860 ...on seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy to commit murder. 1255 01:46:44,029 --> 01:46:45,997 Keene accepts her plea of not guilty. 1256 01:46:46,165 --> 01:46:49,191 At the same time in McKinney, Texas, Judge Anthony Milo... 1257 01:46:49,368 --> 01:46:51,962 ...vacates the extradition order on Charles Watson... 1258 01:46:52,138 --> 01:46:54,800 ...and grants another 30-day continuance. 1259 01:46:55,574 --> 01:46:59,772 Hey! Come on, girls, get it on! Free Charlie! 1260 01:46:59,945 --> 01:47:01,776 Charlie! 1261 01:47:09,688 --> 01:47:12,953 Right. Okay, thanks, guy. Yeah. 1262 01:47:13,559 --> 01:47:15,151 Vince. 1263 01:47:15,327 --> 01:47:17,761 Vince, l got some good news and some bad news. 1264 01:47:18,631 --> 01:47:20,599 Why don't you keep the bad news? 1265 01:47:20,766 --> 01:47:24,566 George Brewer wants to make an immunity deal for Linda Kasabian. 1266 01:47:25,504 --> 01:47:28,632 Oh, l'd much rather have her than Susan. 1267 01:47:29,241 --> 01:47:31,641 But we're already legally committed to Susan. 1268 01:47:31,811 --> 01:47:34,109 lt's bad enough we had to give her anything. 1269 01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,477 l don't believe this. Krenwinkel in Alabama, Watson in Texas. 1270 01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:40,483 We may not get them back here in time for the trial. 1271 01:47:40,820 --> 01:47:44,085 Van Houten, she wasn't along on the night of the Tate murders. 1272 01:47:44,356 --> 01:47:48,383 No way, we make deals with Atkins and Kasabian, who do we prosecute on Tate? 1273 01:47:48,561 --> 01:47:51,587 Just Charlie? And his is the weakest case we've got. 1274 01:47:51,764 --> 01:47:56,030 People won't stand for it. ln Bel Air, the fear's so real you could feel it. 1275 01:47:56,202 --> 01:47:58,636 Relax, will you? Relax. l said he offered her. 1276 01:47:58,804 --> 01:48:00,863 We may be glad to have her one day. 1277 01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:02,837 Take a look at some of those ones. 1278 01:48:03,008 --> 01:48:07,172 Copies of things Lisa, Cindy and Gypsy have been sending to Susan and Linda. 1279 01:48:07,379 --> 01:48:12,282 ''Always think of the now. No time to look back, no time to say how.'' 1280 01:48:12,451 --> 01:48:15,318 ln other words, don't say anything. On Manson's orders. 1281 01:48:15,488 --> 01:48:18,787 He wants them to drop lawyers so they'll have a united defense. 1282 01:48:18,958 --> 01:48:21,586 Susan's gonna repudiate her grand-jury testimony. 1283 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,753 And refuse to take the stand. A blanket defense that fails to convict Manson... 1284 01:48:25,931 --> 01:48:29,264 ...sets them free. lf l have time, l can make a case. 1285 01:48:29,435 --> 01:48:31,596 You don't have time! 1286 01:48:35,741 --> 01:48:37,572 Where's the missing link? 1287 01:48:37,743 --> 01:48:39,540 The motive. 1288 01:48:39,879 --> 01:48:41,847 The personal motive. 1289 01:48:42,948 --> 01:48:45,416 You're gonna get up there in front of that jury... 1290 01:48:45,584 --> 01:48:48,781 ...and try to convince them that Manson wanted to start a war... 1291 01:48:48,954 --> 01:48:52,082 ...between blacks and whites, so the blacks could take over. 1292 01:48:52,258 --> 01:48:54,453 -Right. -Charlie Manson, who hates blacks? 1293 01:48:54,627 --> 01:48:56,151 Vince, they'll lock you up. 1294 01:48:56,328 --> 01:48:59,388 DeCarlo and others told me that was the way Manson thought. 1295 01:48:59,565 --> 01:49:03,501 l interviewed Death Valley miners. He preached the same philosophy to them. 1296 01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:06,900 Like Hitler. Remember those magazines l found at Barker Ranch? 1297 01:49:07,072 --> 01:49:09,597 -The ones with articles on Hitler? -Yes. 1298 01:49:09,775 --> 01:49:14,303 l asked a miner if Manson ever said anything about Hitler, and he said yeah. 1299 01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:19,713 Manson said Hitler was a tuned-in guy who wanted to level the karma of the Jews. 1300 01:49:21,353 --> 01:49:23,287 That's the kind of stuff he said. 1301 01:49:23,455 --> 01:49:26,253 l'm gonna find out enough to convince you and a jury-- 1302 01:49:26,425 --> 01:49:29,622 Vince. Vince, l'm on your side, remember? 1303 01:49:32,898 --> 01:49:36,265 -Hey, l'm sorry. -lt's frustrating. 1304 01:49:36,869 --> 01:49:38,131 Yeah. 1305 01:49:38,304 --> 01:49:42,297 That creep. Bodies all over the place. Who knows how many? lf he walks... 1306 01:49:42,474 --> 01:49:45,272 -...and they get on the street-- -l know what you mean. 1307 01:49:47,846 --> 01:49:51,907 l know you do, Aaron, l know. lt's just l gotta bitch to somebody. 1308 01:50:00,225 --> 01:50:02,193 Besides Gail. 1309 01:50:04,363 --> 01:50:06,160 Are you kidding? 1310 01:50:06,332 --> 01:50:08,698 Yeah, besides Gail. 1311 01:50:09,101 --> 01:50:11,797 -She's getting used to it. -Oh? 1312 01:50:13,339 --> 01:50:15,204 l don't believe me. 1313 01:50:15,374 --> 01:50:18,104 l've got an interview, and l'm sitting here with you. 1314 01:50:20,279 --> 01:50:21,576 Good luck. 1315 01:50:21,747 --> 01:50:23,544 Oh, let me show you this. 1316 01:50:23,716 --> 01:50:25,684 The new secret weapon. 1317 01:50:26,318 --> 01:50:28,013 The Bible? 1318 01:50:28,187 --> 01:50:31,350 lf all else fails, pray, right? 1319 01:50:38,195 --> 01:50:42,154 Paul, l understand you were sort of Manson's right-hand man at one time. 1320 01:50:42,333 --> 01:50:43,595 What exactly did you do? 1321 01:50:43,768 --> 01:50:47,602 Well, one of the things l did was l got girls for him. 1322 01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:51,367 -You got girls? -Charlie'd say, ''l need some new love.'' 1323 01:50:51,542 --> 01:50:56,980 He used to call the girls young loves. So l'd go out and get him one or two. 1324 01:50:57,915 --> 01:51:01,442 Do you mind if l turn this on, Paul? l wanna just record this. 1325 01:51:05,256 --> 01:51:08,089 Testing, testing, one, two, three. Testing. 1326 01:51:08,259 --> 01:51:09,658 -Go ahead. -Testing. 1327 01:51:09,827 --> 01:51:13,263 1.98 marked down from a dollar and a half. 1328 01:51:18,235 --> 01:51:21,500 -Testing, testing. - 1.98 marked-- 1329 01:51:26,377 --> 01:51:27,742 Okay. 1330 01:51:27,912 --> 01:51:30,403 Now, l want to go into a lot of things with you. 1331 01:51:30,581 --> 01:51:35,746 -The orgies Manson supposedly organized. -Did organize. Did organize. 1332 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:37,785 His domination of the Family. 1333 01:51:37,955 --> 01:51:42,585 His attitude toward death, fear, the Beatles, the Bible. 1334 01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:45,387 How did he do it? Did he use fear? 1335 01:51:45,563 --> 01:51:47,622 Well, sure. That was a big part of it. 1336 01:51:47,798 --> 01:51:51,199 Charlie was always saying that fear was beautiful. 1337 01:51:51,368 --> 01:51:54,030 l must have heard him tell the Family 50 times... 1338 01:51:54,205 --> 01:51:56,901 ...they ought to live in a constant state of fear. 1339 01:51:57,074 --> 01:51:58,473 Yeah, but why? 1340 01:51:58,642 --> 01:52:02,009 Well, to Charlie, fear was the same thing as awareness. 1341 01:52:02,179 --> 01:52:05,410 The more fear you had, the more awareness you had. 1342 01:52:05,683 --> 01:52:08,015 The more awareness, the more love. 1343 01:52:08,185 --> 01:52:12,246 You know what it's like? lt's like when you're really all scared out. 1344 01:52:12,423 --> 01:52:14,983 You know, and you come to now. 1345 01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:20,791 Well, when you're at now, you're totally conscious. 1346 01:52:21,165 --> 01:52:23,656 So he wanted people to be afraid, is that it? 1347 01:52:23,834 --> 01:52:25,324 The more fear the better. 1348 01:52:25,503 --> 01:52:30,907 Charlie said that death was beautiful because people fear death. 1349 01:52:31,475 --> 01:52:34,740 Fear really turns Charlie on. 1350 01:52:37,181 --> 01:52:40,947 Paul, you seem like an independent sort of guy, not just a follower. 1351 01:52:41,118 --> 01:52:43,985 And yet you stayed with the Family for a long time. 1352 01:52:44,155 --> 01:52:47,249 Was it just the girls or was there some other reason? 1353 01:52:47,424 --> 01:52:50,325 l thought Charlie was Christ. 1354 01:53:00,938 --> 01:53:05,739 Vince, don't like to interrupt you, but you looked like you could use some good news. 1355 01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:08,811 Krenwinkel gave up her fight against extradition. 1356 01:53:08,979 --> 01:53:11,140 That's right. She'll be out here tomorrow. 1357 01:53:11,615 --> 01:53:15,676 -Looks like our luck is changing. -Hey, man, karma. Karma. 1358 01:53:15,853 --> 01:53:18,617 Right, right, karma. Right. 1359 01:53:19,156 --> 01:53:23,957 Now, Paul, while my luck is running, l wanna get to the subject of motive, okay? 1360 01:53:24,128 --> 01:53:26,596 l talked to Greg Jakobson and Brooks Poston... 1361 01:53:26,764 --> 01:53:29,631 ...and they told me Charlie was always sounding off... 1362 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,064 ...about the ninth chapter of Revelations. 1363 01:53:32,236 --> 01:53:34,363 Oh, yeah, the Beatles laid that on him. 1364 01:53:34,538 --> 01:53:38,167 You know, that White Album of theirs. Man, that blew Charlie's mind. 1365 01:53:38,342 --> 01:53:41,072 He said it was beautiful. 1366 01:53:41,412 --> 01:53:46,042 Charlie said that the Beatles were sending him messages through their music. 1367 01:53:46,217 --> 01:53:48,378 You know, like that song ''Revolution 9.'' 1368 01:53:48,552 --> 01:53:52,215 Charlie dug it the most, man. He said it was beautiful. 1369 01:53:52,823 --> 01:53:56,816 l mean, Charlie was hip right away they were referring to Revelation 9. 1370 01:53:56,994 --> 01:54:01,090 l heard you knew about that, Paul, so l came prepared. 1371 01:54:04,501 --> 01:54:08,232 ''The shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle.'' 1372 01:54:08,405 --> 01:54:10,771 Right. Dune buggies. 1373 01:54:13,077 --> 01:54:17,207 ''And on their heads were as it were crowns like gold... 1374 01:54:17,381 --> 01:54:21,317 ...and their faces were as the faces of men.'' 1375 01:54:21,485 --> 01:54:24,750 Bright lights. Bright lights, you know. 1376 01:54:24,922 --> 01:54:29,325 ''And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.'' 1377 01:54:29,493 --> 01:54:32,155 The Beatles' long hair. 1378 01:54:32,897 --> 01:54:36,663 ''And they had breastplates, as it were. Breastplates of iron. 1379 01:54:36,834 --> 01:54:39,701 -And--'' -Electric guitars. 1380 01:54:40,437 --> 01:54:43,406 ''The sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots... 1381 01:54:43,574 --> 01:54:46,372 -...of many horses running to battle.'' -Oh, yeah. 1382 01:54:46,543 --> 01:54:51,480 Well, see, that's their music, you know, the rhythm and the volume of it. 1383 01:54:52,683 --> 01:54:57,780 ''And they had tails like unto scorpions and there were stings in their tails.'' 1384 01:54:57,955 --> 01:55:00,549 The wires leading to their electrical instruments. 1385 01:55:00,724 --> 01:55:04,592 Charlie had this thing come to him once, and he says.... 1386 01:55:05,029 --> 01:55:08,590 l don't remember all of it. May l see that? 1387 01:55:09,466 --> 01:55:12,958 Yeah, down here. See it right here where it says: 1388 01:55:13,137 --> 01:55:17,767 ''And the four angels were loosed.'' That's the four Beatles. 1389 01:55:17,942 --> 01:55:22,072 ''And the number of horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand.'' 1390 01:55:22,246 --> 01:55:25,943 That's the motorcycle gangs roaming the Earth spreading destruction... 1391 01:55:26,116 --> 01:55:27,378 ...according to Charlie. 1392 01:55:27,551 --> 01:55:32,250 And look here. Right here again where it says ''breastplates of fire.'' 1393 01:55:32,423 --> 01:55:34,618 Electric guitars. 1394 01:55:35,626 --> 01:55:39,153 l wanna ask you specifically about that Verse 15 quote. 1395 01:55:39,596 --> 01:55:42,724 ''The four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour... 1396 01:55:42,900 --> 01:55:46,392 ...and a day and a month and a year to slay the third part of men.'' 1397 01:55:47,271 --> 01:55:51,605 Oh, Charlie said those were the people who would die in Helter Skelter. 1398 01:55:51,775 --> 01:55:56,041 One third of mankind, the white race. 1399 01:55:56,547 --> 01:55:58,447 Doesn't that include the Family? 1400 01:55:58,615 --> 01:56:01,948 No! No way, man. That's where the fifth angel comes in. 1401 01:56:02,586 --> 01:56:05,987 lsn't that the fifth Beatle, the one who was killed in 1962... 1402 01:56:06,156 --> 01:56:09,990 -...before they took the name Beatles? -Let me see this here. 1403 01:56:10,327 --> 01:56:11,555 Here. Right here. 1404 01:56:11,729 --> 01:56:16,826 ''And the fifth angel sounded, and l saw a star fall from heaven unto the Earth. 1405 01:56:17,001 --> 01:56:20,232 And to him was given the key to the bottomless pit.'' 1406 01:56:21,205 --> 01:56:25,505 Hey, Mr. Bugliosi, it's no secret in the Family who the fifth angel is. 1407 01:56:25,676 --> 01:56:29,043 The ruler of the bottomless pit. lt's Charlie. 1408 01:56:29,213 --> 01:56:32,273 So being in the bottomless pit, he'd survive. 1409 01:56:34,084 --> 01:56:37,315 Here. Now here's Verse 11. 1410 01:56:37,955 --> 01:56:39,855 Where is it? 1411 01:56:41,058 --> 01:56:42,548 Here's Verse 11. 1412 01:56:42,726 --> 01:56:47,288 ''And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit... 1413 01:56:47,464 --> 01:56:51,264 ...whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon.'' 1414 01:56:52,836 --> 01:56:56,863 You see, Mr. Bugliosi, you got the King James Version here. 1415 01:56:57,041 --> 01:56:59,066 Charlie had the Catholic version. 1416 01:56:59,243 --> 01:57:03,339 And in that version, the angel of the bottomless pit also had a Latin name. 1417 01:57:03,981 --> 01:57:07,644 -Do you remember what it was? -Sure. Exterminans. 1418 01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,613 Exterminans. 1419 01:57:12,022 --> 01:57:14,354 Charles Manson. 1420 01:57:14,525 --> 01:57:16,015 -lt fits. -Yeah, right. 1421 01:57:16,193 --> 01:57:21,130 The way Charlie had it figured out was that the Beatles were sending him messages. 1422 01:57:21,298 --> 01:57:23,596 You know, that this was all coming down now. 1423 01:57:23,767 --> 01:57:27,999 Not next year or sometime in the future, but right now. 1424 01:57:28,172 --> 01:57:30,436 He'd play that song over and over again... 1425 01:57:30,607 --> 01:57:33,167 ...listen to every sound real close. 1426 01:57:33,343 --> 01:57:36,506 He said it was a message just for the tuned-in people. 1427 01:57:37,514 --> 01:57:38,674 That the Beatles favored the revolution. 1428 01:57:39,116 --> 01:57:41,641 But how was this revolution supposed to come about? 1429 01:57:41,819 --> 01:57:45,414 Well, according to Charlie... 1430 01:57:46,190 --> 01:57:49,921 ...blackie would rise up and start committing super atrocious crimes... 1431 01:57:50,094 --> 01:57:52,119 ...against whitey. 1432 01:57:52,296 --> 01:57:54,059 And this would start a race war. 1433 01:57:54,231 --> 01:57:56,563 Whitey and blackie would fight each other. 1434 01:57:56,733 --> 01:58:00,430 Hippie liberals and uptight conservatives would fight each other. 1435 01:58:00,604 --> 01:58:04,165 The Uncle Toms would fight the Panthers, and it'd be Helter Skelter. 1436 01:58:04,341 --> 01:58:08,368 War of all wars. Then when just about everybody was killed off... 1437 01:58:08,545 --> 01:58:12,538 ...then the black militants would come out of hiding and wipe them all out. 1438 01:58:12,716 --> 01:58:15,310 -All except for Charlie and the Family. -Right on. 1439 01:58:15,486 --> 01:58:17,454 They'd be in the pit in Death Valley. 1440 01:58:17,621 --> 01:58:20,590 And this is the way it would go down from then on. 1441 01:58:20,757 --> 01:58:23,692 Well, now the karma's turned, right? Blackie's on top. 1442 01:58:23,861 --> 01:58:26,728 Well, now, blackie's gotta clean up the mess. 1443 01:58:26,897 --> 01:58:30,594 Just like he's always done, clean up the mess the white man made. 1444 01:58:30,767 --> 01:58:33,895 Try to build that world back up a little bit. 1445 01:58:34,071 --> 01:58:38,405 But he wouldn't know what to do with it. He wouldn't be able to handle it. 1446 01:58:38,575 --> 01:58:41,635 To Charlie, the only thing the black man knows how to do... 1447 01:58:41,812 --> 01:58:43,336 ...is what whitey told him. 1448 01:58:43,514 --> 01:58:46,881 He wouldn't be able to run the world without whitey showing him. 1449 01:58:47,451 --> 01:58:51,319 -And that's where Charlie comes in. -Right, so they'd come to Charlie. 1450 01:58:51,488 --> 01:58:54,980 Now the Family's grown to 144,000. 1451 01:58:55,159 --> 01:58:58,390 That's in the Bible too. Let me see here. 1452 01:58:59,296 --> 01:59:00,991 Yeah. Right here. 1453 01:59:01,165 --> 01:59:03,793 ''And l heard a number of them which were sealed... 1454 01:59:03,967 --> 01:59:08,404 ...and there were sealed 144,000.'' 1455 01:59:08,572 --> 01:59:12,975 Yeah, so they come to Charlie and there's 144,000 people. 1456 01:59:13,143 --> 01:59:15,236 A pure white master race. 1457 01:59:15,412 --> 01:59:18,609 And they say, ''Massa, you gotta run it.'' 1458 01:59:18,782 --> 01:59:21,910 Charlie says, ''Hell, l'll scratch blackie's fuzzy head... 1459 01:59:22,085 --> 01:59:26,021 ...kick him in the butt and go tell him to pick cotton like a good nigger.'' 1460 01:59:26,190 --> 01:59:29,682 Then the Family will emerge from the bottomless pit... 1461 01:59:29,860 --> 01:59:35,059 ...and Charlie will be king of the world, and we'll all live happily ever after. 1462 01:59:35,232 --> 01:59:37,928 All that's left is the Family and black servants? 1463 01:59:38,302 --> 01:59:40,668 According to the gospel of Charlie. 1464 01:59:40,837 --> 01:59:45,171 -King Charlie, the fifth angel Exterminans. -Yeah. 1465 01:59:45,342 --> 01:59:48,038 -But he got tired of waiting. -For Helter Skelter? 1466 01:59:48,212 --> 01:59:51,238 Right. You know, he said, ''Well, blackie's got no smart. 1467 01:59:51,415 --> 01:59:54,646 Blackie just didn't know how to bring it on all down.'' 1468 01:59:55,052 --> 01:59:59,455 He said, ''l'm gonna have to show him how to do it.'' 1469 02:00:00,557 --> 02:00:03,117 Charlie's gonna have to show him how to do it. 1470 02:00:05,596 --> 02:00:08,429 Do you remember exactly when he told you that, Paul? 1471 02:00:08,599 --> 02:00:12,763 Oh, l don't know. Last May-- No, early June of last year. 1472 02:00:12,936 --> 02:00:16,372 Yeah, he comes to me. He comes to me, and he takes me down by... 1473 02:00:16,540 --> 02:00:19,100 ...the old trailers down at Spahn's Ranch. 1474 02:00:19,276 --> 02:00:24,270 And he's real frustrated, you know, like, really uptight about something. He says: 1475 02:00:24,448 --> 02:00:29,442 ''The only thing the black man knows how to do is what whitey taught him to do.'' 1476 02:00:29,620 --> 02:00:31,554 He was always saying that. 1477 02:00:31,722 --> 02:00:35,658 And he said, ''l'm gonna have to show him how to do it.'' 1478 02:00:35,826 --> 02:00:38,158 ''l'm going to have to show him how to do it.'' 1479 02:00:38,328 --> 02:00:41,957 Yeah, man, l've got some weird pictures from that, you know. 1480 02:00:42,733 --> 02:00:43,961 King of the world. 1481 02:00:44,134 --> 02:00:48,503 Hey, man, l split. l didn't want any part of whatever he was talking about. 1482 02:00:48,672 --> 02:00:52,403 l mean, l was hanging out there because l thought Charlie was Christ. 1483 02:00:52,576 --> 02:00:57,309 Then all this stuff with Exterminian vibes. l flashed on heavy weather ahead. 1484 02:00:58,482 --> 02:01:03,146 We never did anything out at the ranch before Charlie got on this Beatle thing... 1485 02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,313 ...but sit out there and smoke grass, trip out and orgy. 1486 02:01:07,491 --> 02:01:09,982 Charlie was always thinking about orgies. 1487 02:01:10,394 --> 02:01:13,261 Directing orgies, organizing orgies. 1488 02:01:13,597 --> 02:01:17,624 He'd pass around the acid, and he'd start dancing around, dancing around. 1489 02:01:17,801 --> 02:01:21,498 Everybody would get up and start following him, like a train. 1490 02:01:21,672 --> 02:01:24,300 Charlie, he'd take off his clothes... 1491 02:01:24,474 --> 02:01:28,137 ...then everybody would start taking off their clothes. 1492 02:01:31,315 --> 02:01:33,442 The missing motive. 1493 02:01:35,919 --> 02:01:37,887 Personal power. 1494 02:01:38,155 --> 02:01:40,316 King of the world, huh? 1495 02:01:40,524 --> 02:01:44,961 You know, l think the madness is catching. You've made a believer out of me. 1496 02:01:45,329 --> 02:01:48,992 Now, all you gotta do is make a believer out of a judge and 12 jurors. 1497 02:01:58,542 --> 02:01:59,941 Yeah. 1498 02:02:05,482 --> 02:02:06,881 Thanks. 1499 02:02:23,934 --> 02:02:28,530 Susan Atkins has announced that she denies everything she told the grand jury. 1500 02:02:28,705 --> 02:02:32,072 She will not testify at the trial under any circumstances... 1501 02:02:32,776 --> 02:02:35,745 ...and she's demanding to see Charlie. 1502 02:02:43,053 --> 02:02:46,511 Do we make the phone call now or wait 30 seconds? 1503 02:02:48,358 --> 02:02:50,189 To offer Linda Kasabian a deal? 1504 02:02:54,030 --> 02:02:56,999 Why not wait 30 seconds? We don't wanna seem too anxious. 1505 02:03:03,206 --> 02:03:05,436 Six and a half months after the murders... 1506 02:03:05,609 --> 02:03:10,876 ...Linda Kasabian agrees to testify at all trial proceedings against all defendants. 1507 02:03:11,047 --> 02:03:14,539 In return, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office agrees... 1508 02:03:14,718 --> 02:03:17,949 ...after testimony is given, to petition the superior court... 1509 02:03:18,121 --> 02:03:20,851 ...to grant her immunity from prosecution. 1510 02:03:22,292 --> 02:03:23,657 Hello, Linda. 1511 02:03:24,628 --> 02:03:26,892 Mr. Brewer's made an excellent deal for you. 1512 02:03:27,063 --> 02:03:30,590 l know. l didn't wanna wait for a deal, but he made me. 1513 02:03:30,767 --> 02:03:32,098 l'd have talked anyway. 1514 02:03:34,137 --> 02:03:38,130 -You would've? -l wanna get it out of my head. 1515 02:03:38,542 --> 02:03:40,806 l don't wanna carry it around anymore. 1516 02:03:42,379 --> 02:03:44,973 Manson argues a motion, the burden of which is... 1517 02:03:45,148 --> 02:03:47,844 ...that deputy district attorneys prosecuting him... 1518 02:03:48,018 --> 02:03:53,149 ...be incarcerated for a period of time under the same circumstances Manson was. 1519 02:03:53,323 --> 02:03:57,521 Judge Keene's response is to the effect that it has become abundantly clear... 1520 02:03:57,694 --> 02:04:00,561 ...Manson is incapable of acting as his own attorney. 1521 02:04:01,164 --> 02:04:03,598 There is no God in this courtroom. 1522 02:04:03,767 --> 02:04:07,100 -You're a mockery of justice! -You old fool! 1523 02:04:10,106 --> 02:04:11,630 Get those people out of here. 1524 02:04:15,979 --> 02:04:18,072 You're a joke! You're a joke! 1525 02:04:32,162 --> 02:04:36,258 Linda Kasabian gives birth to a son. She names the child Angel. 1526 02:04:39,169 --> 02:04:42,661 Important witness Paul Watkins is pulled from his burning camper... 1527 02:04:42,839 --> 02:04:46,570 ...with second degree burns over 25 percent of his face, arms and back. 1528 02:04:46,743 --> 02:04:49,303 The fire is of undetermined origin. 1529 02:04:55,619 --> 02:04:59,111 Manson files an affidavit of prejudice against Judge William Keene. 1530 02:04:59,289 --> 02:05:02,588 Judge Keene accepts Manson's challenge, disqualifies himself... 1531 02:05:02,759 --> 02:05:06,251 ...and the case is assigned to Judge Charles H. Older. 1532 02:05:14,604 --> 02:05:18,165 lf Mr. Manson insists on having Mr. Scoville as his attorney... 1533 02:05:18,341 --> 02:05:20,309 ...l must grant the request. 1534 02:05:22,812 --> 02:05:27,806 lf Your Honor please, l believe Mr. Scoville is a very sincere and conscientious man. 1535 02:05:28,318 --> 02:05:32,311 But it is well known that his cases become unduly long and complicated. 1536 02:05:32,923 --> 02:05:36,222 And even with lawyers known to handle matters expeditiously... 1537 02:05:36,393 --> 02:05:38,486 ...this trial could last four months. 1538 02:05:38,962 --> 02:05:41,556 Then let me represent me. 1539 02:05:43,700 --> 02:05:46,794 lt would be a miscarriage of justice to allow you that... 1540 02:05:46,970 --> 02:05:49,666 ...in a case having the complications of this case. 1541 02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:53,070 Have you affirmed Mr. Scoville as your attorney? 1542 02:05:53,243 --> 02:05:55,973 l'm forced into a situation. 1543 02:05:57,914 --> 02:06:01,543 My second alternative is to cause you as much trouble as possible. 1544 02:06:03,753 --> 02:06:06,688 July 24, 1970, almost one year after the killings. 1545 02:06:16,533 --> 02:06:18,398 Come on, lady! 1546 02:06:23,506 --> 02:06:26,873 Did you read it? Did you hear what Charlie's saying to you? 1547 02:06:27,043 --> 02:06:28,442 Statement by Manson. 1548 02:06:28,612 --> 02:06:31,410 ''l've X'd myself out of the world.'' l'll read it later. 1549 02:06:31,581 --> 02:06:34,607 Yeah. l see that Kitty Lassiter is back with the Family. 1550 02:06:34,784 --> 02:06:38,618 Bobby Beausoleil's in the death house, this is probably all she has left. 1551 02:06:38,788 --> 02:06:42,121 l thought about the problem of having these people in the court. 1552 02:06:42,292 --> 02:06:44,692 Yeah. They'll conduct continuous harassment. 1553 02:06:44,861 --> 02:06:48,194 -No, they're not. They won't be there. -How's that gonna happen? 1554 02:06:48,365 --> 02:06:52,028 Prospective witnesses can't be in court while other witnesses testify. 1555 02:06:52,202 --> 02:06:54,727 So we're gonna subpoena all known Family members. 1556 02:06:54,904 --> 02:06:57,202 -Very good. Beautiful. -So they're excluded. 1557 02:06:57,374 --> 02:07:00,275 That limits the obstruction to the four defendants. 1558 02:07:14,357 --> 02:07:16,086 Oh, my God. 1559 02:07:16,893 --> 02:07:18,121 I love you. 1560 02:07:30,674 --> 02:07:32,437 All rise. 1561 02:07:33,243 --> 02:07:35,143 Department 104 is now in session. 1562 02:07:35,311 --> 02:07:39,304 The Honorable Judge Charles H. Older presiding. 1563 02:07:41,751 --> 02:07:43,548 Be seated, please. 1564 02:07:46,056 --> 02:07:48,524 Mr. Bugliosi, do you have an opening statement? 1565 02:07:48,692 --> 02:07:50,455 Yes, Your Honor. 1566 02:07:57,801 --> 02:08:00,998 Sharon Tate Polanski, Jay Sebring... 1567 02:08:01,171 --> 02:08:04,436 ...Abigail Ann Folger, Voytek Frykowski... 1568 02:08:04,607 --> 02:08:05,938 ...Steven Earl Parent... 1569 02:08:06,342 --> 02:08:10,301 ...Leno A. LaBianca, Rosemary LaBianca. 1570 02:08:10,814 --> 02:08:12,611 What kind of a diabolical mind... 1571 02:08:12,782 --> 02:08:16,479 ...would contemplate or conceive these seven murders? 1572 02:08:16,786 --> 02:08:19,846 We expect evidence at this trial to answer that question... 1573 02:08:20,023 --> 02:08:25,154 ...and show that defendant Charles Manson owned that diabolical mind. 1574 02:08:25,428 --> 02:08:30,695 Charles Manson, who the evidence will show, had the infinite humility, as it were... 1575 02:08:30,867 --> 02:08:34,200 ...to refer to himself as Jesus Christ. 1576 02:08:34,971 --> 02:08:38,372 The evidence will show Charles Manson to be a megalomaniac... 1577 02:08:38,541 --> 02:08:43,808 ...who coupled his insatiable thirst for power with an obsession for violent death. 1578 02:08:44,614 --> 02:08:49,278 The evidence will show Charles Manson to be the unquestioned leader and overlord... 1579 02:08:49,452 --> 02:08:53,582 ...of a nomadic band of vagabonds who call themselves ''The Family.'' 1580 02:08:55,024 --> 02:08:59,222 We anticipate in Mr. Manson's defense, he'll claim neither he nor anyone else... 1581 02:08:59,395 --> 02:09:03,627 ...was the leader of the Family and that he didn't order anyone to do anything... 1582 02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:05,597 ...much less commit these murders. 1583 02:09:05,769 --> 02:09:07,930 He's making our opening statement for us! 1584 02:09:08,271 --> 02:09:11,399 Overruled. You may continue, Mr. Bugliosi. 1585 02:09:12,108 --> 02:09:13,871 Thank you, Your Honor. 1586 02:09:15,311 --> 02:09:18,803 We therefore intend to show that Charles Manson was, in fact... 1587 02:09:18,982 --> 02:09:20,916 ...the dictatorial Family leader... 1588 02:09:21,217 --> 02:09:24,186 ...and that everyone in the Family was obedient to him... 1589 02:09:24,354 --> 02:09:29,519 ...and eventually they committed the seven Tate-LaBianca murders at his command. 1590 02:09:29,759 --> 02:09:34,822 Now, what about Charles Manson's followers, the other defendants in this trial? 1591 02:09:34,998 --> 02:09:39,799 Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten. 1592 02:09:39,969 --> 02:09:43,268 The evidence will show they, along with Charles Tex Watson... 1593 02:09:43,439 --> 02:09:46,966 ...were the actual killers of the seven Tate-LaBianca victims. 1594 02:09:47,577 --> 02:09:51,673 The evidence will show they were willing participants in these mass murders... 1595 02:09:51,848 --> 02:09:54,817 ...and that by their overkill tactics.... 1596 02:09:54,984 --> 02:10:00,581 For instance, Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. 1597 02:10:00,757 --> 02:10:04,454 Voytek Frykowski was stabbed 51 times... 1598 02:10:04,961 --> 02:10:08,260 ...shot twice and struck violently over the head... 1599 02:10:08,431 --> 02:10:11,730 ...13 times with the butt of a revolver. 1600 02:10:13,069 --> 02:10:16,038 These defendants displayed that even apart from Manson... 1601 02:10:16,206 --> 02:10:18,766 ...murder ran through their own blood. 1602 02:10:20,844 --> 02:10:25,872 Now we come to the question that has been asked since these murders occurred. Why? 1603 02:10:26,049 --> 02:10:30,145 Why did Charles Manson order these seven murders? 1604 02:10:31,254 --> 02:10:32,949 Ladies and gentlemen... 1605 02:10:33,122 --> 02:10:36,751 ...the prosecution does not have any burden of proving motive. 1606 02:10:36,926 --> 02:10:42,387 We have no obligation to show one single, solitary speck of evidence as to motive. 1607 02:10:42,565 --> 02:10:46,661 However, when we have evidence of motive, we introduce it. 1608 02:10:46,836 --> 02:10:49,236 For if one has a motive for committing murder... 1609 02:10:49,405 --> 02:10:53,341 ...this is circumstantial evidence that it was he who committed the murder. 1610 02:10:53,676 --> 02:10:57,009 ln this trial, we will offer evidence of Manson's motives... 1611 02:10:57,180 --> 02:10:59,273 ...for ordering these seven murders. 1612 02:10:59,449 --> 02:11:03,852 The evidence will show Manson's fanatical obsession with Helter Skelter... 1613 02:11:04,988 --> 02:11:08,515 ...a term he got from the English musical group The Beatles. 1614 02:11:08,958 --> 02:11:12,086 To Manson, Helter Skelter meant the black man rising up... 1615 02:11:12,262 --> 02:11:15,493 ...and destroying the entire white race. 1616 02:11:16,232 --> 02:11:20,328 That is, with the exception of Charles Manson and his chosen followers. 1617 02:11:20,670 --> 02:11:23,298 Keep it clear. Please, keep the aisle clear. 1618 02:11:23,473 --> 02:11:25,566 Gentlemen, keep it clear, please. 1619 02:11:25,742 --> 02:11:27,767 Stand back, please. 1620 02:11:28,645 --> 02:11:30,408 Keep it clear, please. 1621 02:11:30,580 --> 02:11:32,070 -Keep it-- -You'll kill us all! 1622 02:11:32,248 --> 02:11:33,476 Kill us all! 1623 02:11:38,988 --> 02:11:40,421 Raise your right hand. 1624 02:11:40,590 --> 02:11:44,526 Object, on the grounds this witness is not competent and she's insane. 1625 02:11:44,694 --> 02:11:48,721 l ask the court to strike that and find him in contempt for gross misconduct. 1626 02:11:48,898 --> 02:11:51,264 -This is unbelievable! -Come to the bench. 1627 02:11:52,101 --> 02:11:55,901 The jury is admonished to disregard Mr. Scoville's comments. 1628 02:11:56,072 --> 02:11:59,530 Mr. Scoville's objections alleges Linda Kasabian is incompetent... 1629 02:11:59,842 --> 02:12:02,436 ...because she has taken LSD at least 300 times. 1630 02:12:02,612 --> 02:12:05,979 After 10 minutes of discussion, the objection is overruled. 1631 02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:08,014 Motion for a mistrial is denied. 1632 02:12:08,184 --> 02:12:12,553 The first question to Linda elicits another objection, another motion for mistrial. 1633 02:12:12,722 --> 02:12:17,523 After another 10 minutes' discussion, this second motion is also denied. 1634 02:12:17,694 --> 02:12:20,993 A pattern of incessant objections and motions is established... 1635 02:12:21,164 --> 02:12:25,760 ...yet, piece by piece, the story of Linda Kasabian and the Manson Family emerges... 1636 02:12:25,935 --> 02:12:29,393 ...from the hours of wrangling and obfuscation. 1637 02:12:31,607 --> 02:12:34,098 Mrs. Kasabian, do you have any children? 1638 02:12:34,277 --> 02:12:36,370 Yes. I have two children. 1639 02:12:36,546 --> 02:12:37,877 And what are their names? 1640 02:12:38,047 --> 02:12:40,072 Tanya and Angel. 1641 02:12:40,249 --> 02:12:42,513 When did you come to Los Angeles? 1642 02:12:42,685 --> 02:12:44,277 Maybe... 1643 02:12:44,754 --> 02:12:48,690 ...the 2 7th of June, 1969. 1644 02:12:48,858 --> 02:12:54,160 Did you first meet Gypsy, or Catherine Share on July 4, 1969? 1645 02:12:54,330 --> 02:12:55,820 Yes. 1646 02:12:56,099 --> 02:12:59,398 She had come to see a friend who lived in the truck with us. 1647 02:12:59,802 --> 02:13:02,600 Did she have anything to do with you going to Spahn Ranch? 1648 02:13:02,772 --> 02:13:04,672 -Yes, she did. -And how was that? 1649 02:13:06,509 --> 02:13:11,503 She told me that there was a beautiful man that we'd all been waiting for. 1650 02:13:42,311 --> 02:13:45,610 I became a member of a family. 1651 02:13:45,782 --> 02:13:49,183 Now, what do you mean by that, ''a member of the Family''? 1652 02:13:49,352 --> 02:13:53,914 Well, we lived together as one family... 1653 02:13:54,290 --> 02:13:56,656 ...as a family lives together... 1654 02:13:56,826 --> 02:14:00,227 ...a mother and a father and children... 1655 02:14:00,396 --> 02:14:02,796 ...but we were all just one... 1656 02:14:02,965 --> 02:14:06,264 ...and Charlie was the head. 1657 02:14:25,988 --> 02:14:28,479 -How old are you, Vince? -Thirty-five. 1658 02:14:28,658 --> 02:14:33,027 You're lucky, you can go right from this case on into Social Security. 1659 02:14:33,663 --> 02:14:37,224 l was ready for his objections and motions. l've seen him in action. 1660 02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:41,496 What bothers me is he's sometimes effective. He keeps testimony out l want in. 1661 02:14:41,771 --> 02:14:44,638 For instance, today, l know he wore Judge Older down... 1662 02:14:44,807 --> 02:14:49,267 ...with his constant, ''Objection, hearsay.'' He said it over and over again until... 1663 02:14:49,445 --> 02:14:51,777 ...Older thought he was right and sustained. 1664 02:14:51,948 --> 02:14:55,008 lf l can't use Linda Kasabian's testimony against Manson-- 1665 02:14:55,184 --> 02:14:58,051 This is it: People v. Stevens. 1666 02:14:58,988 --> 02:15:01,081 This is the kind of statement we need. 1667 02:15:01,257 --> 02:15:05,125 The court rules in here that you can show the existence of a conspiracy... 1668 02:15:05,294 --> 02:15:09,958 ...by showing the relationship between the parties, including statements to each other. 1669 02:15:10,133 --> 02:15:11,930 Beautiful. 1670 02:15:15,905 --> 02:15:18,703 A little past mid-July, 1969... 1671 02:15:18,875 --> 02:15:22,606 ...did a group of Family members and guests gather at the back house? 1672 02:15:22,778 --> 02:15:25,246 -Yes, they did. -About how many people? 1673 02:15:25,414 --> 02:15:29,544 Objection, Your Honor, ambiguous as to time and also calling for a conclusion. 1674 02:15:29,852 --> 02:15:31,547 Overruled. 1675 02:15:32,455 --> 02:15:33,683 The Family... 1676 02:15:34,390 --> 02:15:39,293 ...maybe 20, and l believe there were three guests. 1677 02:15:39,462 --> 02:15:40,690 Four guests. 1678 02:15:42,198 --> 02:15:43,859 What took place that night? 1679 02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:45,924 Object, Your Honor. 1680 02:15:46,402 --> 02:15:48,529 Overruled, let's proceed. 1681 02:15:48,704 --> 02:15:51,696 -Do you have the question in mind? -Yes, l do. 1682 02:15:52,441 --> 02:15:56,775 There was one particular girl, l don't remember her name.... 1683 02:15:57,680 --> 02:15:59,671 ln view of the fact that the witness-- 1684 02:15:59,849 --> 02:16:02,716 Don't interrupt the answer. Let's proceed. 1685 02:16:04,921 --> 02:16:07,253 She was very young. 1686 02:16:07,423 --> 02:16:09,983 l'd say about 16. 1687 02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:14,596 And she was quite shy, very withdrawn. 1688 02:16:15,131 --> 02:16:18,760 And l remember she was laying in the middle of the room... 1689 02:16:18,935 --> 02:16:24,635 ...and Charlie came over to her, and he started... 1690 02:16:25,174 --> 02:16:29,110 ...touching her and kissing her... 1691 02:16:30,413 --> 02:16:32,210 ...and you know. 1692 02:16:35,384 --> 02:16:38,148 Well, like, she was really rejecting him... 1693 02:16:39,088 --> 02:16:41,386 ...trying to push him off... 1694 02:16:41,924 --> 02:16:45,451 ...and he just sort of pushed her back down and kissed her. 1695 02:16:46,896 --> 02:16:52,300 At this point, she bit him on the shoulder, and he hit her in the face. 1696 02:16:52,468 --> 02:16:55,596 And then she just sort of let go or whatever. 1697 02:16:56,639 --> 02:17:01,303 And then he flashed the signal to Bobby Beausoleil to take over... 1698 02:17:05,047 --> 02:17:09,245 ...and do his thing, and then he told everybody... 1699 02:17:09,752 --> 02:17:15,190 ...to touch her and to kiss her and join in. 1700 02:17:16,692 --> 02:17:17,920 And everybody did. 1701 02:17:18,995 --> 02:17:22,658 Move to strike the entire answer as non-responsive and immaterial. 1702 02:17:22,832 --> 02:17:24,060 lt's hearsay. 1703 02:17:24,233 --> 02:17:26,394 Join in the motion, may we approach? 1704 02:17:34,977 --> 02:17:37,036 We have to stick more to the point here. 1705 02:17:38,881 --> 02:17:42,248 What is the purpose of this extensive testimony about sex? 1706 02:17:42,518 --> 02:17:47,114 l'm trying to prove that Manson dominated even the sex lives of these people. 1707 02:17:47,290 --> 02:17:48,518 Motion's denied. 1708 02:17:48,691 --> 02:17:53,151 Your Honor, this is the most prejudicial-- What Mr. Bugliosi is eliciting-- 1709 02:17:53,329 --> 02:17:57,356 Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. The G is soft. lt's Bugliosi. 1710 02:17:57,667 --> 02:18:00,659 -l'm sorry. -Let's proceed. 1711 02:18:00,836 --> 02:18:02,360 Thank you. 1712 02:18:12,648 --> 02:18:16,414 Did anyone who was present touch this girl before Charlie told them to? 1713 02:18:16,819 --> 02:18:19,083 No, l don't believe so. 1714 02:18:19,255 --> 02:18:22,452 After everyone touched the girl, then what happened? 1715 02:18:23,326 --> 02:18:26,853 Then he told everybody to make love with everybody. 1716 02:18:27,029 --> 02:18:31,090 While you were at Spahn Ranch, did you have any discussions with Manson? 1717 02:18:31,267 --> 02:18:32,928 -Object! -Yes. 1718 02:18:33,536 --> 02:18:36,972 Just a minute, l will object, Your Honor, on the grounds of time. 1719 02:18:37,306 --> 02:18:38,534 Overruled. 1720 02:18:38,708 --> 02:18:42,940 ln your discussions with Mr. Manson, did he ever talk about right and wrong? 1721 02:18:43,112 --> 02:18:45,876 -Yes. -Objection! This is leading and suggestive. 1722 02:18:46,048 --> 02:18:48,812 -Overruled. -What did he say? 1723 02:18:49,652 --> 02:18:52,587 He said there was no wrong-- 1724 02:18:52,755 --> 02:18:56,054 Everything was all right, there was no wrong. 1725 02:18:56,292 --> 02:18:59,591 Did he ever say anything about willing to kill or be killed? 1726 02:18:59,762 --> 02:19:01,696 Leading and suggestive, Your Honor. 1727 02:19:01,864 --> 02:19:04,799 -Overruled. -He used to say: 1728 02:19:05,668 --> 02:19:08,796 ''lf you're willing to be killed... 1729 02:19:08,971 --> 02:19:11,030 ...then you should be willing to kill.'' 1730 02:19:11,507 --> 02:19:13,600 Did you ever see or observe... 1731 02:19:13,776 --> 02:19:17,872 ...any member of the Family refuse to do anything Mr. Manson told them to? 1732 02:19:18,247 --> 02:19:20,442 -Hearsay, Your Honor! -Overruled. 1733 02:19:20,616 --> 02:19:22,083 Nobody did. 1734 02:19:22,485 --> 02:19:27,013 We always wanted to do anything and everything for him. 1735 02:19:27,323 --> 02:19:32,488 During the day of August 8, do you recall him saying anything about Helter Skelter? 1736 02:19:33,462 --> 02:19:36,056 -Yes, l do. -What was the occasion? 1737 02:19:38,167 --> 02:19:42,570 Well, we were sitting around, talking about things... 1738 02:19:42,738 --> 02:19:46,799 ...and Charlie was saying how people couldn't get it together... 1739 02:19:46,976 --> 02:19:51,310 ...how people were on their own little trips, and they wouldn't go on his trip. 1740 02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:54,540 They just couldn't get it together at all. 1741 02:19:54,717 --> 02:19:56,582 And then he just came out and said: 1742 02:19:57,319 --> 02:20:00,049 ''Now is the time for Helter Skelter.'' 1743 02:20:01,891 --> 02:20:05,156 -That was August 8th, 1969? -l believe so. 1744 02:20:05,361 --> 02:20:07,886 And did anything unusual happen after dinner? 1745 02:20:08,898 --> 02:20:10,593 Yes. 1746 02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:16,667 l remember l was standing out in front of the gun room at this one point... 1747 02:20:17,139 --> 02:20:21,633 ...and Charlie came up to me and pulled me off the porch. 1748 02:20:21,844 --> 02:20:25,974 And he told me l needed a change of clothing... 1749 02:20:26,148 --> 02:20:29,140 ...a knife and my driver's license. 1750 02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:32,378 -An additional change of clothing? -Yes. 1751 02:20:32,555 --> 02:20:36,047 -And did you get these things? -Yes. 1752 02:20:36,992 --> 02:20:39,961 And he told me to go with Tex... 1753 02:20:40,229 --> 02:20:43,892 ...and do what Tex told me to do, and l.... 1754 02:20:52,741 --> 02:20:56,199 l got into the car... 1755 02:20:57,546 --> 02:21:02,245 ...and l believe Sadie and Katie were already in the back seat. 1756 02:21:02,418 --> 02:21:04,818 What is the next thing that happened? 1757 02:21:04,987 --> 02:21:09,356 Tex got in the car, and we started to drive away. 1758 02:21:11,093 --> 02:21:13,323 And then Charlie said: 1759 02:21:13,496 --> 02:21:18,058 ''Leave a sign. You girls know what I mean. 1760 02:21:18,267 --> 02:21:20,531 Something witchy. '' 1761 02:21:23,739 --> 02:21:26,936 This trial is the second crucifixion of Christ. 1762 02:21:27,109 --> 02:21:28,872 The second crucifixion. 1763 02:21:29,044 --> 02:21:30,807 This trial is the second.... 1764 02:21:30,980 --> 02:21:34,746 There's the chief crucifier! There he is! 1765 02:21:35,351 --> 02:21:38,149 l'm sure Mr. Bugliosi would like a picture of Charlie. 1766 02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:41,983 No, thanks, Mary, l already have an autographed one on my mantelpiece. 1767 02:21:42,157 --> 02:21:44,648 She's proof of what's wrong with immunity deals. 1768 02:21:44,827 --> 02:21:48,695 But without her testimony, l doubt Beausoleil would be in the death house. 1769 02:21:48,864 --> 02:21:51,094 But she's a killer, Aaron, running loose. 1770 02:21:51,267 --> 02:21:53,963 l know. l'm talking about the second crucifixion. 1771 02:21:55,404 --> 02:21:56,962 Still, Vince... 1772 02:21:57,139 --> 02:21:59,403 ...if it weren't for immunity... 1773 02:21:59,575 --> 02:22:01,338 ...we'd be nowhere without Linda. 1774 02:22:01,510 --> 02:22:04,536 Linda didn't kill anyone. We're not turning a killer free. 1775 02:22:04,713 --> 02:22:06,772 All right, don't get hot at me. 1776 02:22:10,953 --> 02:22:14,946 Your Honor, l have here a .22 caliber Longhorn revolver. May it be marked... 1777 02:22:15,124 --> 02:22:19,083 -...People's 40 for identification? -lt will be so marked. 1778 02:22:19,261 --> 02:22:22,788 -Have you ever seen this revolver before? -Yes, l have. 1779 02:22:22,965 --> 02:22:25,525 And where did you see it for the first time? 1780 02:22:25,701 --> 02:22:27,293 In the car. 1781 02:22:27,503 --> 02:22:29,971 This is the revolver in the glove compartment? 1782 02:22:30,139 --> 02:22:31,663 Yes. 1783 02:22:39,982 --> 02:22:43,440 Did you actually see Tex climb the pole? 1784 02:22:43,852 --> 02:22:47,015 I think so. I'm not positive. 1785 02:22:47,189 --> 02:22:50,352 I just remember seeing the wires fall. 1786 02:23:02,037 --> 02:23:05,529 Linda, l show you People's 41 for identification. 1787 02:23:05,708 --> 02:23:08,268 Have you ever seen this rope before? 1788 02:23:08,510 --> 02:23:10,808 That looks like the rope. 1789 02:23:11,714 --> 02:23:13,875 It looks like the rope that what? 1790 02:23:14,883 --> 02:23:18,114 That Tex was carrying up the hill. 1791 02:23:19,788 --> 02:23:23,952 What happened after you, Katie, Tex and Sadie walked up the hill? 1792 02:23:25,427 --> 02:23:26,792 We.... 1793 02:23:28,597 --> 02:23:30,861 We climbed over. 1794 02:23:31,433 --> 02:23:34,527 We climbed over a fence. 1795 02:23:36,038 --> 02:23:40,839 And then a light started coming towards us. 1796 02:23:45,948 --> 02:23:48,416 Are you able to go on, Mrs. Kasabian? 1797 02:23:48,617 --> 02:23:51,450 Yes. Yes, l am. 1798 02:23:54,923 --> 02:23:57,187 And the man said: 1799 02:23:57,726 --> 02:24:02,823 ''Please, don't hurt me, l won't say anything.'' 1800 02:24:08,170 --> 02:24:11,196 Now, you say that Tex cut the screen of the window. 1801 02:24:11,373 --> 02:24:13,841 What's the next thing that happened? 1802 02:24:17,546 --> 02:24:19,377 He told me... 1803 02:24:19,548 --> 02:24:23,917 ...to go back to the car and wait. 1804 02:24:24,353 --> 02:24:26,253 And l did. 1805 02:24:29,091 --> 02:24:30,752 And then... 1806 02:24:31,860 --> 02:24:34,158 ...all of a sudden... 1807 02:24:35,698 --> 02:24:37,256 ...l heard-- 1808 02:24:37,433 --> 02:24:39,367 l heard screams. 1809 02:24:40,636 --> 02:24:43,070 There were no words. 1810 02:24:43,238 --> 02:24:45,763 lt was beyond words. 1811 02:24:46,341 --> 02:24:48,901 lt was just screams. 1812 02:24:50,079 --> 02:24:52,138 lt was horrible! 1813 02:24:53,882 --> 02:24:56,180 Your Honor... 1814 02:24:56,351 --> 02:24:59,218 ...l can appreciate that, but... 1815 02:24:59,388 --> 02:25:03,415 ...l ask that the statement about ''horrible'' .... 1816 02:25:03,592 --> 02:25:06,925 The statement is out. The jury is admonished to disregard it. 1817 02:25:09,798 --> 02:25:11,857 l'll get you a cup of water. 1818 02:25:31,820 --> 02:25:33,583 How long did the screaming go on? 1819 02:25:35,124 --> 02:25:37,490 l don't know. 1820 02:25:38,494 --> 02:25:41,122 lt seemed like forever. 1821 02:25:41,597 --> 02:25:43,292 lnfinite. 1822 02:25:45,300 --> 02:25:47,564 My mind went blank... 1823 02:25:48,370 --> 02:25:52,932 ...and l was aware of my body walking towards the house. 1824 02:25:57,513 --> 02:25:59,140 Then l hit.... 1825 02:25:59,314 --> 02:26:04,616 Oh, God, l'm so sorry. 1826 02:26:05,654 --> 02:26:08,817 Sadie, please, make it stop! 1827 02:26:08,991 --> 02:26:11,482 l hear people coming. 1828 02:26:12,961 --> 02:26:14,861 And she said: 1829 02:26:15,831 --> 02:26:17,458 ''lt's too late.'' 1830 02:26:23,405 --> 02:26:25,305 And then l said to Sadie: 1831 02:26:25,474 --> 02:26:28,739 ''Sadie, please, make it stop.'' 1832 02:26:34,483 --> 02:26:37,850 And when you told Sadie people were coming, was that the truth? 1833 02:26:38,020 --> 02:26:39,612 No. 1834 02:26:40,088 --> 02:26:42,215 And why did you tell her that? 1835 02:26:42,391 --> 02:26:46,157 Because l just wanted them to stop! 1836 02:26:51,333 --> 02:26:54,302 All right, Mrs. Kasabian, you can step down. 1837 02:26:58,073 --> 02:27:01,531 Ladies and gentlemen, do not converse with anyone... 1838 02:27:01,710 --> 02:27:06,875 ...nor form or express an opinion regarding this case until it has been submitted to you. 1839 02:27:07,416 --> 02:27:11,443 The court will adjourn at this time until 9:45 tomorrow morning. 1840 02:27:11,787 --> 02:27:15,245 When was the first time you learned the names of the five victims? 1841 02:27:15,424 --> 02:27:18,086 The following day on the news. 1842 02:27:18,260 --> 02:27:23,994 Sadie woke me up and told me to go to Spahn's trailer to watch television. 1843 02:27:24,166 --> 02:27:28,125 When l got there, she switched the channels to the news. 1844 02:27:28,871 --> 02:27:34,605 And then Charlie came in and called Katie, Leslie and myself aside... 1845 02:27:34,776 --> 02:27:39,736 ...and told us to get a change of clothing and meet in the bunkroom, which we did. 1846 02:27:40,515 --> 02:27:42,813 And he told me to get my driver's license. 1847 02:27:43,151 --> 02:27:45,312 That's three lies you've told already. 1848 02:27:45,487 --> 02:27:47,011 No, Charlie. 1849 02:27:47,189 --> 02:27:49,714 l've spoken the truth, and you know it. 1850 02:27:52,628 --> 02:27:56,655 Did Mr. Manson say anything to you once you were all in the bunkhouse? 1851 02:27:58,700 --> 02:28:01,828 He said we were going out again, tonight. 1852 02:28:02,004 --> 02:28:04,802 That last night was too messy... 1853 02:28:04,973 --> 02:28:08,465 ...and that he was gonna show us how to do it. 1854 02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:48,374 He's had this information a week, and we haven't heard it. 1855 02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:50,017 l've given it three times. 1856 02:28:50,185 --> 02:28:52,153 Objections from the defense continue. 1857 02:28:52,321 --> 02:28:55,688 Terrence Milik, during a dispute, uses obscene language. 1858 02:28:55,857 --> 02:28:58,621 Judge Older cites him for contempt of court. 1859 02:29:07,402 --> 02:29:10,235 He told me that there was a man and a woman... 1860 02:29:10,405 --> 02:29:12,498 ...tied up in the house. 1861 02:29:12,674 --> 02:29:15,302 And that he had tied their hands... 1862 02:29:15,477 --> 02:29:20,881 ...and told them not to be afraid, that he wasn't going to hurt them. 1863 02:29:21,950 --> 02:29:24,180 And then he told them: 1864 02:29:24,419 --> 02:29:28,048 ''Don't cause fear and panic in these people. 1865 02:29:28,223 --> 02:29:31,386 Don't let them know you're going to kill them. '' 1866 02:29:32,094 --> 02:29:35,962 And afterwards, they should hitchhike back to the ranch. 1867 02:29:37,065 --> 02:29:39,863 You say Mr. Manson gave you a wallet? 1868 02:29:40,168 --> 02:29:41,965 Yes, he did. 1869 02:29:42,804 --> 02:29:46,035 Did he tell you what to do with respect to that wallet? 1870 02:29:47,042 --> 02:29:50,102 He told me to take the change out of the wallet... 1871 02:29:50,278 --> 02:29:53,270 ...and wipe off the fingerprints. 1872 02:29:54,182 --> 02:29:58,312 And then, we were going to put it someplace... 1873 02:29:58,787 --> 02:30:03,087 ...where a black person would pick it up and use the credit card... 1874 02:30:03,258 --> 02:30:06,159 ...so that the people, the establishment... 1875 02:30:06,328 --> 02:30:11,391 ...would think it was some sort of organized group that killed these people. 1876 02:30:11,967 --> 02:30:14,936 Presumably, the black militants. 1877 02:30:15,437 --> 02:30:19,430 He said they wanted to show blackie how to do it. 1878 02:30:23,812 --> 02:30:25,302 Order. 1879 02:30:27,115 --> 02:30:29,310 The court will recess for 15 minutes. 1880 02:30:39,428 --> 02:30:42,693 l'm gonna have Bugliosi and Older killed. 1881 02:30:44,900 --> 02:30:48,859 Testing, testing. One, two, three, testing. 1882 02:30:53,308 --> 02:30:55,970 Testing, testing. Do you read me? Over. 1883 02:30:56,144 --> 02:30:57,805 Coming through loud and clear. 1884 02:30:57,979 --> 02:30:59,947 -Roger. -Vince, what if--? 1885 02:31:00,115 --> 02:31:03,414 lf they cut the phone wires, we have communication with police. 1886 02:31:03,585 --> 02:31:06,281 And come here. l got a full-time bodyguard too. 1887 02:31:06,455 --> 02:31:09,913 -See him? -lt's like being in a war. 1888 02:31:16,731 --> 02:31:19,256 Say, Vince? Vince, l want to apologize. 1889 02:31:19,434 --> 02:31:21,664 Terry, it was a heat-of-the-moment remark. 1890 02:31:21,837 --> 02:31:24,772 -l'm sorry Older found you in contempt. -That's not it. 1891 02:31:24,940 --> 02:31:27,067 What l did was a hell of a lot worse. 1892 02:31:27,242 --> 02:31:30,405 l suggested that Everett Scoville be Manson's attorney. 1893 02:31:32,781 --> 02:31:37,741 You testified this morning, did you not, that you have taken LSD 50 times? 1894 02:31:37,919 --> 02:31:40,217 Approximately, yes. 1895 02:31:40,388 --> 02:31:42,379 What is LSD? 1896 02:31:42,557 --> 02:31:47,085 Lysergic acid diethylamide. Something like that. 1897 02:31:47,262 --> 02:31:51,790 Well, is it a chemical? Does it provoke an emotional response like anger? 1898 02:31:51,967 --> 02:31:53,457 Fear? Jealousy? Hate? 1899 02:31:54,236 --> 02:32:00,141 My sole purpose for taking it was for realization, God realization. 1900 02:32:00,308 --> 02:32:04,074 -That was to discover God? -Yes. 1901 02:32:05,180 --> 02:32:07,148 Were you successful in that endeavor? 1902 02:32:07,716 --> 02:32:13,279 l realize you don't have to take peyote or LSD to discover God. 1903 02:32:14,022 --> 02:32:20,257 l believe you stated that you've taken 50 acid trips. 1904 02:32:20,462 --> 02:32:23,829 Would you please describe what happened on trip number 23? 1905 02:32:23,999 --> 02:32:26,467 l object to that question as being ridiculous. 1906 02:32:27,068 --> 02:32:28,558 Sustained. 1907 02:32:37,345 --> 02:32:39,506 What is this? 1908 02:32:42,584 --> 02:32:45,212 All counsel will come to the bench. 1909 02:32:52,761 --> 02:32:55,286 If jurors had been influenced by the headline... 1910 02:32:55,463 --> 02:32:58,159 ...grounds for a mistrial may have been established. 1911 02:32:58,333 --> 02:33:01,894 Therefore, each juror is questioned, under oath, by Judge Older. 1912 02:33:02,337 --> 02:33:04,999 Do you feel that it has influenced you in any way? 1913 02:33:05,173 --> 02:33:06,401 No, sir. 1914 02:33:06,575 --> 02:33:11,638 Do you feel you can form an opinion based solely upon evidence presented to you? 1915 02:33:11,813 --> 02:33:13,474 l'm sure l can, Your Honor. 1916 02:33:13,815 --> 02:33:16,875 -Very good, you may step down. -Thank you. 1917 02:33:19,521 --> 02:33:23,651 -Yes, sir. -Do you feel it's influenced your thinking? 1918 02:33:23,825 --> 02:33:26,316 All 12 jurors and alternates state under oath... 1919 02:33:26,494 --> 02:33:31,022 ...that they have not been influenced and will only consider the evidence presented. 1920 02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:34,462 l didn't vote for Mr. Nixon anyway. 1921 02:33:37,706 --> 02:33:41,073 Now, Mrs. Kasabian... 1922 02:33:47,215 --> 02:33:51,777 ...you testified that when you saw the shooting of Steven Parent... 1923 02:33:51,953 --> 02:33:54,649 ...you went into a state of shock. 1924 02:33:54,923 --> 02:33:59,121 Now, just exactly when did that state of shock end? 1925 02:34:00,128 --> 02:34:02,528 l don't know when it ended. 1926 02:34:03,498 --> 02:34:06,956 -l don't know if it ever ended. -Oh! 1927 02:34:07,135 --> 02:34:10,468 And you weren't under the influence of any drugs, is that right? 1928 02:34:10,639 --> 02:34:12,698 -No. -You weren't under the influence... 1929 02:34:12,874 --> 02:34:14,774 ...of anything, right? 1930 02:34:15,310 --> 02:34:17,870 l was under the influence of Charlie. 1931 02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:21,376 Oh, yes. 1932 02:34:36,064 --> 02:34:39,124 Now, Mrs. Kasabian, l show you this picture. 1933 02:34:39,301 --> 02:34:40,893 Oh, God. 1934 02:34:41,069 --> 02:34:42,934 Oh, for God's sake. 1935 02:34:44,205 --> 02:34:46,196 Oh, God. 1936 02:34:50,945 --> 02:34:55,848 Mrs. Kasabian, the truth is that you made up this whole story, didn't you? 1937 02:34:56,017 --> 02:34:57,348 -No. -Didn't you?! 1938 02:34:57,519 --> 02:35:01,114 No. Nobody could make that up. 1939 02:35:01,423 --> 02:35:02,651 Nobody. 1940 02:35:03,858 --> 02:35:07,021 Mrs. Kasabian, why are you crying right now? 1941 02:35:08,263 --> 02:35:12,290 -Because l just can't believe-- -Believe what, Mrs. Kasabian? 1942 02:35:12,467 --> 02:35:15,459 -That they could do that. -Oh, that they could do that! 1943 02:35:16,538 --> 02:35:21,771 Not that you could do it, Mrs. Kasabian, but that they could do it. 1944 02:35:22,110 --> 02:35:26,206 -l know l didn't do that. -Oh? 1945 02:35:26,715 --> 02:35:29,206 But you were in a state of shock, weren't you? 1946 02:35:29,384 --> 02:35:31,682 -That's right. -Then how do you know? 1947 02:35:31,853 --> 02:35:33,980 Because l know. 1948 02:35:34,289 --> 02:35:40,694 l do not have that kind of thing in me, to do such an animalistic thing. 1949 02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:44,188 Linda... 1950 02:35:44,999 --> 02:35:51,461 ...tell me, do you feel that you are controlled by Mr. Manson's vibrations? 1951 02:35:53,408 --> 02:35:54,636 Possibly. 1952 02:35:56,144 --> 02:35:57,873 Did he put off a lot of vibes? 1953 02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:00,872 Sure. 1954 02:36:01,416 --> 02:36:03,008 He's doing it right now. 1955 02:36:06,388 --> 02:36:09,357 May the record reflect, Your Honor, that Mr. Manson... 1956 02:36:10,091 --> 02:36:12,218 ... is merely sitting there. 1957 02:36:15,663 --> 02:36:18,223 He doesn't seem to be vibrating. 1958 02:36:27,275 --> 02:36:30,972 Your Honor, the president said we are guilty... 1959 02:36:31,146 --> 02:36:33,080 ...so why go on with the trial? 1960 02:36:34,816 --> 02:36:36,977 Would you please repeat your response? 1961 02:36:37,152 --> 02:36:40,588 Her reply was that Charlie had sent them, yes. 1962 02:36:40,755 --> 02:36:42,882 No further questions, Mr. Jones. 1963 02:36:43,057 --> 02:36:44,786 You may step down, Mr. Jones. 1964 02:36:44,959 --> 02:36:47,826 -May l examine him, Your Honor? -No, you may not. 1965 02:36:48,029 --> 02:36:51,897 l'm gonna fight for my life, you might as well let me do it with words. 1966 02:36:52,967 --> 02:36:55,731 lf you don't stop, l'll have to have you removed. 1967 02:36:55,904 --> 02:36:59,738 lf you don't stop, l'll have you removed. l've got a little system. 1968 02:37:01,209 --> 02:37:04,372 -Call the next witness. -Do you think l'm kidding?! 1969 02:37:10,218 --> 02:37:14,587 This is the second crucifixion of Christ! This is the second crucifixion of Christ! 1970 02:37:14,756 --> 02:37:19,125 This is the second crucifixion of Christ! This is the second crucifixion of Christ! 1971 02:37:24,632 --> 02:37:26,930 And the hypocrite.... 1972 02:37:34,242 --> 02:37:36,904 Gillespie inquires as to the judge's state of mind. 1973 02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:41,972 lf he'd taken one more step, l would have defended myself. 1974 02:37:42,383 --> 02:37:47,184 Because of the judge's state of mind, Gillespie says he has to ask for a mistrial. 1975 02:37:48,656 --> 02:37:51,284 lt isn't gonna be that easy, Mr. Gillespie. 1976 02:37:51,459 --> 02:37:54,553 They are not going to profit from their own wrong. 1977 02:37:54,729 --> 02:37:56,390 Denied. 1978 02:37:56,598 --> 02:37:57,826 Call the next witness. 1979 02:38:00,702 --> 02:38:03,432 The People of the State of California rest. 1980 02:38:06,541 --> 02:38:09,510 -Are you ready to proceed with defense? -Yes, Your Honor. 1981 02:38:10,378 --> 02:38:12,710 Mr. Gillespie, call your first witness. 1982 02:38:15,683 --> 02:38:18,174 Your Honor, the defendants rest. 1983 02:38:24,225 --> 02:38:27,524 -We wanna testify! -We wanna testify! 1984 02:38:29,831 --> 02:38:31,765 Let us testify! 1985 02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:34,290 The counsel-- 1986 02:38:34,569 --> 02:38:37,800 Older orders counsel into chambers and demands an explanation. 1987 02:38:46,915 --> 02:38:49,406 -Your Honor-- -l gotta keep them off the stand. 1988 02:38:49,584 --> 02:38:53,418 Our contention is that their testimony is already perjured... 1989 02:38:53,588 --> 02:38:57,490 ...and it would be inadmissible as perjured evidence. 1990 02:39:01,262 --> 02:39:03,662 There's a split between attorneys and clients. 1991 02:39:03,831 --> 02:39:06,857 Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten wish to testify... 1992 02:39:07,035 --> 02:39:10,471 ...that they committed the murders and Manson was not involved. 1993 02:39:10,638 --> 02:39:15,905 The attorneys vehemently oppose this and want to forestall it by resting the case. 1994 02:39:16,177 --> 02:39:17,644 Gentlemen... 1995 02:39:18,112 --> 02:39:20,512 ...defendants are gonna be allowed to testify. 1996 02:39:20,682 --> 02:39:24,846 The right to testify supersedes any and all other rights. 1997 02:39:25,019 --> 02:39:28,887 Before the girls are called to the stand, Manson asks permission to speak. 1998 02:39:29,057 --> 02:39:31,821 Judge Older grants permission, but it must be made... 1999 02:39:31,993 --> 02:39:34,427 ...outside the presence of the jury. 2000 02:39:35,063 --> 02:39:36,860 l never went to school... 2001 02:39:37,031 --> 02:39:40,194 ...so l never learned how to read or write too good. 2002 02:39:40,501 --> 02:39:43,800 And l stayed in jail, and l stayed stupid... 2003 02:39:44,105 --> 02:39:47,973 ...and l stayed a child while l watched your world grow up. 2004 02:39:49,210 --> 02:39:51,804 And then l look at what you do... 2005 02:39:52,614 --> 02:39:54,844 ...and l don't understand. 2006 02:39:56,517 --> 02:39:58,576 You eat meat... 2007 02:39:59,988 --> 02:40:03,685 ...and you kill things that are better than you are... 2008 02:40:04,525 --> 02:40:07,323 ...and then you say how bad... 2009 02:40:08,029 --> 02:40:11,260 ...or even killers, your children are. 2010 02:40:11,799 --> 02:40:14,962 These children that come at you with knives. 2011 02:40:15,670 --> 02:40:17,763 They're your children. 2012 02:40:18,506 --> 02:40:21,100 You taught them, l didn't teach them. 2013 02:40:21,609 --> 02:40:24,442 l just tried to help them stand up. 2014 02:40:25,813 --> 02:40:28,680 The people you call my Family... 2015 02:40:28,850 --> 02:40:31,182 ...were people you didn't want. 2016 02:40:31,686 --> 02:40:36,282 People alongside the road that their parents had kicked out. 2017 02:40:36,658 --> 02:40:40,355 So l took them to my garbage dump, and l fed them... 2018 02:40:40,528 --> 02:40:43,986 ...and l taught them that in love, there's no wrong. 2019 02:40:44,932 --> 02:40:47,366 l can't dislike you... 2020 02:40:47,869 --> 02:40:49,837 ...but l can say this to you: 2021 02:40:50,004 --> 02:40:54,304 lt's not going to be long before you all kill yourselves because you're all crazy. 2022 02:40:55,443 --> 02:40:57,934 And you can project it back on me... 2023 02:40:58,513 --> 02:41:03,644 ...but l'm only what lives in each and every one of you. 2024 02:41:05,253 --> 02:41:08,245 My father's a jailhouse. 2025 02:41:08,623 --> 02:41:11,490 My father's your system. 2026 02:41:12,627 --> 02:41:14,891 l'm a reflection of you. 2027 02:41:15,063 --> 02:41:17,429 l'm what you made me. 2028 02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:23,134 l've ate out of your garbage cans to stay out of jail. 2029 02:41:23,871 --> 02:41:26,931 l've worn your secondhand clothes. 2030 02:41:27,575 --> 02:41:31,409 l've tried my best to get along in your world... 2031 02:41:31,579 --> 02:41:34,571 ...and now you say you wanna kill me. 2032 02:41:34,749 --> 02:41:39,652 And l look at you, and l say to myself, you wanna kill me. 2033 02:41:39,821 --> 02:41:41,584 l'm already dead! 2034 02:41:41,756 --> 02:41:43,986 l have been all my life. 2035 02:41:44,158 --> 02:41:48,026 l spent 23 years in tombs that you built. 2036 02:41:48,563 --> 02:41:51,794 Sometimes l wanna give it all back to you. 2037 02:41:53,167 --> 02:41:55,863 Sometimes, l wanna jump on you and let you shoot me. 2038 02:41:56,037 --> 02:41:59,438 lf l could, l'd grab this microphone, l'd beat your brains out... 2039 02:41:59,607 --> 02:42:02,303 ...because that's what you deserve! 2040 02:42:10,518 --> 02:42:12,179 These children... 2041 02:42:12,353 --> 02:42:15,220 ...everything they done, they done for love of brother. 2042 02:42:16,858 --> 02:42:18,883 ls that a conspiracy? 2043 02:42:19,260 --> 02:42:21,285 ls it a conspiracy that the music... 2044 02:42:21,462 --> 02:42:24,761 ...is telling the youth to rise up against the establishment... 2045 02:42:24,932 --> 02:42:30,700 ...because the establishment is rapidly destroying things. ls that a conspiracy? 2046 02:42:31,572 --> 02:42:36,805 The music speaks to you every day, but you're too deaf, dumb and blind to listen. 2047 02:42:38,212 --> 02:42:40,908 lt's not my conspiracy. 2048 02:42:41,282 --> 02:42:42,874 lt's not my music. 2049 02:42:43,050 --> 02:42:47,487 l hear what it relates. lt says, ''Rise.'' lt says, ''Kill.'' 2050 02:42:47,655 --> 02:42:51,523 Why blame it on me? l didn't write the music. 2051 02:43:02,303 --> 02:43:04,601 How can you blame... 2052 02:43:04,972 --> 02:43:07,964 ...what you do on your children? 2053 02:43:11,312 --> 02:43:13,337 And what about your children, huh? 2054 02:43:13,981 --> 02:43:15,380 What about them? 2055 02:43:15,550 --> 02:43:19,486 You say they're just a few. Well, there are many, many more. 2056 02:43:19,654 --> 02:43:25,650 And they're running in the streets, all in the same direction, right at you! 2057 02:43:32,867 --> 02:43:36,132 -Amen. -Amen, Charlie. Right on, Charlie. 2058 02:43:37,305 --> 02:43:40,001 -Amen! -Amen! 2059 02:43:40,174 --> 02:43:43,337 Amen! Right on, Charlie! 2060 02:43:46,881 --> 02:43:49,315 You don't have to testify. 2061 02:44:10,771 --> 02:44:14,002 --has been serving as defense counsel for Leslie Van Houten... 2062 02:44:14,175 --> 02:44:17,235 ...one of the defendants in the Tate-LaBianca murder trial. 2063 02:44:17,411 --> 02:44:20,869 Milik is believed to have spent the weekend on a camping trip... 2064 02:44:21,048 --> 02:44:26,384 ...to Sespe Hot Springs, rugged terrain some 130 miles northwest of Los Angeles. 2065 02:44:26,554 --> 02:44:29,455 He may have been stranded there because of flooding. 2066 02:44:29,624 --> 02:44:31,888 His absence may delay-- 2067 02:44:32,293 --> 02:44:34,625 And then again, he may not have been. 2068 02:44:35,296 --> 02:44:37,560 Hi, honey. How does this sound? 2069 02:44:37,732 --> 02:44:40,200 ''Everett Scoville, the Toscanini of tedium... 2070 02:44:40,368 --> 02:44:43,201 ...has accused the prosecution of tying up the court.'' 2071 02:44:43,371 --> 02:44:45,532 ''Toscanini of tedium''? l like it. 2072 02:44:45,706 --> 02:44:49,472 l thought you said he was the most effective of all the defense counsel. 2073 02:44:49,644 --> 02:44:51,373 He has been. 2074 02:44:57,118 --> 02:45:00,053 Vince, do you think Mr. Milik would maybe stay away... 2075 02:45:00,221 --> 02:45:02,348 ...to sabotage the trial? 2076 02:45:03,658 --> 02:45:07,651 No, sweetheart. He's not the type. 2077 02:45:12,967 --> 02:45:16,027 And, Your Honor, on the photograph to the left of that... 2078 02:45:16,203 --> 02:45:21,368 ...it's quite obvious that the Tate house itself was entered. 2079 02:45:21,542 --> 02:45:24,875 That's part of the process by which we're introducing testimony. 2080 02:45:25,046 --> 02:45:29,346 You're the murderer. You're the leader of the ''Pig Murder Gang.'' 2081 02:45:29,517 --> 02:45:31,382 What did you do with my attorney? 2082 02:45:31,552 --> 02:45:34,043 -What'd you do with him? -Remove the defendants! 2083 02:45:34,689 --> 02:45:35,917 We're gonna get you! 2084 02:45:36,090 --> 02:45:41,323 Your guts are gonna fall out, Older! You're not gonna get any older, Older! 2085 02:45:48,736 --> 02:45:51,569 Help me! 2086 02:45:53,674 --> 02:45:59,408 No American court is required to submit to this kind of nonsense day after day. 2087 02:46:00,247 --> 02:46:05,981 The defendants will not be allowed to return for the remainder of the guilt trial. 2088 02:46:07,188 --> 02:46:12,717 And Linda Kasabian testified that Watson shot Steven Parent four times. 2089 02:46:12,893 --> 02:46:17,387 You heard expert medical testimony that Parent had been shot four times. 2090 02:46:17,565 --> 02:46:20,500 -Testified my ass. -Pig! You lying whore! 2091 02:46:20,668 --> 02:46:24,263 -Pig! -Yeah, she really testified, all right. 2092 02:46:25,373 --> 02:46:30,902 Linda Kasabian testified that Parent had slumped over toward the passenger side... 2093 02:46:31,212 --> 02:46:35,842 ...and you saw police photographs showing Parent slumped toward the passenger side. 2094 02:46:36,851 --> 02:46:43,051 Forty-five instances where other evidence confirms Linda Kasabian's testimony. 2095 02:46:44,925 --> 02:46:49,453 Ladies and gentlemen, we are all very privileged in this courtroom... 2096 02:46:49,864 --> 02:46:53,265 ...because we have been enlightened by a new society... 2097 02:46:53,934 --> 02:46:56,664 ...led by a new Jesus Christ... 2098 02:46:56,837 --> 02:46:58,998 ...who is none other than Charles Manson. 2099 02:47:01,175 --> 02:47:03,871 We've even learned a new commandment: 2100 02:47:04,512 --> 02:47:09,313 Thou shalt love thy neighbor by killing thy neighbor. 2101 02:47:10,418 --> 02:47:14,616 We've seen young people become disciples of this new Christ... 2102 02:47:14,789 --> 02:47:16,620 ...by slaughtering human beings... 2103 02:47:16,791 --> 02:47:20,522 ...for the mere pleasure and the excitement of it. 2104 02:47:22,329 --> 02:47:24,957 We've learned how this new Christ... 2105 02:47:25,132 --> 02:47:28,329 ...will lead his chosen people out of the desert... 2106 02:47:28,669 --> 02:47:31,832 ...followed by the enslaved black man. 2107 02:47:34,508 --> 02:47:35,736 No. 2108 02:47:35,910 --> 02:47:38,242 What we have learned, ladies and gentleman... 2109 02:47:38,412 --> 02:47:44,044 ...is that this new Christ is not Charles Manson, but Charles Con Man. 2110 02:47:45,186 --> 02:47:48,349 That's the religion he knows very well... 2111 02:47:48,756 --> 02:47:51,486 ...and the one over which he is the leader. 2112 02:47:52,860 --> 02:47:56,057 And are we supposed to pity this con man... 2113 02:47:56,230 --> 02:47:59,256 ...who has ordered at least seven murders? 2114 02:48:00,568 --> 02:48:04,436 Are we to pity him for tying up the hands of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca... 2115 02:48:04,772 --> 02:48:08,902 ...so they could be brutally butchered a little more neatly, more orderly? 2116 02:48:09,243 --> 02:48:14,203 Are we to pity this Family leader whose hero was Adolf Hitler... 2117 02:48:14,849 --> 02:48:19,115 ...who had ordered the mass murder of six million Jews? 2118 02:48:30,331 --> 02:48:35,098 On the hot summer night of August the 8th, 1969... 2119 02:48:35,569 --> 02:48:37,662 ...Charles Manson... 2120 02:48:37,905 --> 02:48:40,339 ...the Mephistophelean guru... 2121 02:48:40,508 --> 02:48:45,878 ...who raped and bastardized the minds of all those who gave themselves to him... 2122 02:48:46,213 --> 02:48:49,910 ...sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch... 2123 02:48:50,084 --> 02:48:54,487 ...three heartless, bloodthirsty robots... 2124 02:48:56,490 --> 02:48:58,583 ...and unfortunately for him... 2125 02:48:59,727 --> 02:49:01,888 ...one human being... 2126 02:49:02,730 --> 02:49:04,857 ...little Linda Kasabian. 2127 02:49:07,334 --> 02:49:09,427 What resulted that night... 2128 02:49:09,603 --> 02:49:12,401 ...was perhaps the most inhuman... 2129 02:49:12,573 --> 02:49:16,373 ...nightmarish, horror-filled hour of savage murder... 2130 02:49:16,544 --> 02:49:20,446 ...and human slaughter in the recorded annals of crime. 2131 02:49:21,916 --> 02:49:27,821 As the helpless, defenseless victims begged and screamed into the night for their lives... 2132 02:49:28,522 --> 02:49:33,721 ...their lifeblood gushed from their bodies, forming rivers of gore. 2133 02:49:35,863 --> 02:49:37,728 lf they could have... 2134 02:49:38,065 --> 02:49:42,092 ...l'm sure that Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel... 2135 02:49:42,269 --> 02:49:45,238 ...would gladly have swum in that river of blood... 2136 02:49:45,406 --> 02:49:48,933 ...and with orgasmic ecstasy on their faces. 2137 02:49:51,078 --> 02:49:54,570 Susan Atkins, the Vampira... 2138 02:49:54,848 --> 02:49:58,011 ...actually tasted Sharon Tate's blood. 2139 02:50:00,020 --> 02:50:05,481 On the very next night, Leslie Van Houten joined the group of murderers. 2140 02:50:06,927 --> 02:50:10,886 And this time it was poor Leno and Rosemary LaBianca... 2141 02:50:11,432 --> 02:50:17,029 ...who were brutally butchered to satisfy Charles Manson's homicidal madness. 2142 02:50:17,204 --> 02:50:18,831 Ladies and gentlemen... 2143 02:50:19,006 --> 02:50:24,205 ...in a capital case in California, the trial is divided into two phases. 2144 02:50:24,678 --> 02:50:29,138 Now, the first phase, with which we are dealing now, is the guilt phase. 2145 02:50:29,683 --> 02:50:33,084 We are not asking you to decide in the extent of the punishment. 2146 02:50:33,254 --> 02:50:35,814 That comes in the second phase. 2147 02:50:36,190 --> 02:50:40,251 The People of the State of California are asking you at this time... 2148 02:50:40,427 --> 02:50:42,361 ...to review the evidence... 2149 02:50:42,529 --> 02:50:45,930 ...and decide whether the prosecution has met its legal burden... 2150 02:50:46,100 --> 02:50:48,432 ...of proving the guilt of these defendants. 2151 02:50:48,869 --> 02:50:53,602 And based upon the evidence you heard from that witness stand... 2152 02:50:53,874 --> 02:50:58,038 ...not only isn't there any reasonable doubt as to their guilt... 2153 02:50:58,212 --> 02:51:00,476 ...which is our only burden... 2154 02:51:01,615 --> 02:51:05,346 ...but there can be no doubt whatsoever of their guilt. 2155 02:51:11,225 --> 02:51:13,785 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... 2156 02:51:16,263 --> 02:51:18,288 ...Sharon Tate... 2157 02:51:20,968 --> 02:51:22,902 ...Jay Sebring... 2158 02:51:25,372 --> 02:51:27,567 ...Abigail Folger... 2159 02:51:30,311 --> 02:51:32,643 ...Voytek Frykowski... 2160 02:51:34,715 --> 02:51:36,774 ...Steven Parent... 2161 02:51:39,420 --> 02:51:41,718 ...Leno LaBianca... 2162 02:51:43,657 --> 02:51:46,319 ...and Rosemary LaBianca... 2163 02:51:47,895 --> 02:51:51,194 ...are not here with us now in this courtroom. 2164 02:51:53,500 --> 02:51:56,367 But from their graves... 2165 02:51:58,572 --> 02:52:01,564 ...they cry out for justice! 2166 02:52:05,412 --> 02:52:07,243 And justice can only be done... 2167 02:52:07,414 --> 02:52:11,612 ...by your returning to this courtroom with a verdict of guilty. 2168 02:52:17,858 --> 02:52:20,326 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... 2169 02:52:20,494 --> 02:52:25,693 ...this trial has been an enormous imposition on all of your personal, private lives. 2170 02:52:26,100 --> 02:52:30,628 And on behalf of the People of the State of California, l want to thank you very much... 2171 02:52:30,804 --> 02:52:34,604 ...for the patience and attention you've shown throughout these proceedings. 2172 02:52:35,609 --> 02:52:38,077 You've been an exemplary jury. 2173 02:52:39,079 --> 02:52:44,574 The plaintiff in this trial is the People of the State of California. 2174 02:52:45,352 --> 02:52:49,220 And l have all the confidence in the world that you won't let them down. 2175 02:52:51,692 --> 02:52:53,182 Thank you. 2176 02:53:08,108 --> 02:53:09,632 Hello? 2177 02:53:09,910 --> 02:53:12,811 This is Mrs. Bugliosi, may l help you? 2178 02:53:13,147 --> 02:53:14,546 Who? 2179 02:53:15,215 --> 02:53:17,649 lt's the clerk of the court. 2180 02:53:18,786 --> 02:53:20,219 Hello? 2181 02:53:20,687 --> 02:53:22,052 Yeah. 2182 02:53:23,290 --> 02:53:25,087 Yeah, l'll be right there. Thanks. 2183 02:53:25,259 --> 02:53:28,319 Jury's reached a verdict. Older wants to see the attorneys. 2184 02:53:28,495 --> 02:53:30,463 Dress warmly. You have a temperature. 2185 02:53:30,631 --> 02:53:33,429 Honey, l've been aiming for this moment for 14 months. 2186 02:53:57,958 --> 02:54:00,688 All jurors and alternates are present. 2187 02:54:00,861 --> 02:54:03,125 All counsel but Mr. Milik are present. 2188 02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:05,430 The defendants are present. 2189 02:54:06,099 --> 02:54:09,466 Mr. Tubick, has the jury reached a verdict? 2190 02:54:09,636 --> 02:54:11,035 Yes, Your Honor, we have. 2191 02:54:11,205 --> 02:54:14,174 Would you hand the verdict forms to the bailiff? 2192 02:54:22,983 --> 02:54:24,814 Will the defendants please rise? 2193 02:54:25,686 --> 02:54:27,449 The clerk will read the verdicts. 2194 02:54:28,088 --> 02:54:30,955 January 25, 1971... 2195 02:54:31,124 --> 02:54:36,562 ... 17 months and 17 days after the murders of the seven Tate and LaBianca victims. 2196 02:54:36,730 --> 02:54:39,221 ln Superior Court of the State of California... 2197 02:54:39,399 --> 02:54:41,333 ...for the County of Los Angeles... 2198 02:54:41,735 --> 02:54:45,102 ...the People of the State of California v. Charles Manson... 2199 02:54:45,272 --> 02:54:49,333 ...Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten... 2200 02:54:49,510 --> 02:54:54,846 ...case number A-253156, Department 104... 2201 02:54:55,482 --> 02:54:59,475 ...we, the jury, in the above entitled action, find the defendant... 2202 02:54:59,653 --> 02:55:03,248 ...Charles Manson, guilty of the crime of murder of Abigail Folger... 2203 02:55:03,423 --> 02:55:07,257 ...in violation of Section 187, Penal Code of California. 2204 02:55:07,628 --> 02:55:10,495 A felony, as charged in count one of the indictment... 2205 02:55:10,664 --> 02:55:14,464 ...and we further find it to be murder of the first degree.'' 2206 02:55:15,302 --> 02:55:18,362 Susan Atkins, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder... 2207 02:55:18,539 --> 02:55:21,133 ...and seven counts of murder in the first degree. 2208 02:55:21,308 --> 02:55:24,106 Leslie Van Houten, conspiracy to commit murder... 2209 02:55:24,278 --> 02:55:26,769 ...and two counts of murder in the first degree. 2210 02:55:26,947 --> 02:55:30,212 Patricia Krenwinkel, guilty of conspiracy to commit murder... 2211 02:55:30,384 --> 02:55:33,182 ...and seven counts of murder in the first degree. 2212 02:55:35,255 --> 02:55:37,246 The penalty phase of the trial begins. 2213 02:55:37,424 --> 02:55:41,383 The issue is whether they will receive life in prison or the death penalty. 2214 02:55:41,562 --> 02:55:43,894 The defense seeks to bring circumstances... 2215 02:55:44,064 --> 02:55:48,592 ...background, remorse and the possibility of rehabilitation to the jury's attention. 2216 02:55:48,769 --> 02:55:50,236 Susan... 2217 02:55:50,938 --> 02:55:56,001 ...were you personally involved with the Tate and LaBianca homicides? 2218 02:55:59,479 --> 02:56:00,707 Yes. 2219 02:56:01,949 --> 02:56:04,679 Did you ever feel any remorse? 2220 02:56:06,587 --> 02:56:08,316 Remorse? 2221 02:56:08,589 --> 02:56:11,080 For doing what was right to me? 2222 02:56:13,427 --> 02:56:15,918 l have no guilt in me. 2223 02:56:19,299 --> 02:56:24,760 Leslie, do you feel as if you wanted to cry for what happened? 2224 02:56:27,874 --> 02:56:29,933 Cry for her death? 2225 02:56:30,110 --> 02:56:31,475 Why? 2226 02:56:31,645 --> 02:56:33,909 She's not the only person who has died. 2227 02:56:34,748 --> 02:56:37,216 Well, do you think about it from time to time? 2228 02:56:39,620 --> 02:56:41,952 Only when l'm in the courtroom. 2229 02:56:57,638 --> 02:56:59,435 l'm the devil... 2230 02:56:59,606 --> 02:57:01,733 ...and the devil always shaves his head. 2231 02:57:02,809 --> 02:57:04,037 Bugliosi... 2232 02:57:05,379 --> 02:57:07,006 ...if l get the death penalty... 2233 02:57:07,180 --> 02:57:10,206 ...there's gonna be bloodletting, because l won't take it. 2234 02:57:10,384 --> 02:57:15,014 There's already been a lot of bloodletting, Charlie. That's what we're trying to stop. 2235 02:57:21,061 --> 02:57:22,426 Vince. 2236 02:57:23,964 --> 02:57:25,864 Did you hear about Terry Milik? 2237 02:57:26,033 --> 02:57:30,163 They found him, face-down in a pool of water with his head wedged under a rock. 2238 02:57:30,337 --> 02:57:32,635 And that's only the beginning. 2239 02:57:37,811 --> 02:57:41,713 l don't see how you people do this without letting me put up some defense. 2240 02:57:41,882 --> 02:57:46,717 You people ain't got no authority over me! Half of you in here ain't as good as l am! 2241 02:57:46,887 --> 02:57:48,855 You ain't gonna outlive this, old man! 2242 02:57:49,022 --> 02:57:52,423 You ain't gonna outlive this, old man! You're gonna die, you hear? 2243 02:57:52,592 --> 02:57:55,686 You're gonna die! You're gonna die! 2244 02:57:56,396 --> 02:57:58,296 You're gonna die! 2245 02:57:58,899 --> 02:58:03,199 We, the jury, in the above entitled action, having found the defendant... 2246 02:58:03,370 --> 02:58:06,168 ...guilty of murder in the first degree... 2247 02:58:06,339 --> 02:58:08,773 ...as charged in count one of the indictment... 2248 02:58:08,942 --> 02:58:11,809 ...do now fix the penalty as death. 2249 02:58:12,512 --> 02:58:14,275 You have just judged yourselves. 2250 02:58:14,448 --> 02:58:17,281 You better lock your doors and watch your own kids. 2251 02:58:17,451 --> 02:58:19,885 Your system's a game, you blind, stupid people. 2252 02:58:20,053 --> 02:58:22,146 Your children will turn against you. 2253 02:58:22,322 --> 02:58:24,756 lt's death for all defendants. 2254 02:58:25,425 --> 02:58:28,656 Death! That's what you're all gonna get! 2255 02:58:39,239 --> 02:58:41,139 Mr. Bugliosi? 2256 02:58:41,908 --> 02:58:43,273 Yeah, Charlie. 2257 02:58:43,443 --> 02:58:45,673 Can l talk to you for a minute? 2258 02:58:46,012 --> 02:58:49,311 -We're gonna get him upstairs, Mr. Bugliosi. -That's okay, Joe. 2259 02:58:49,483 --> 02:58:51,917 l don't think we'll be seeing each other again. 2260 02:58:56,189 --> 02:58:58,589 l don't have no hard feelings. 2261 02:58:59,292 --> 02:59:01,021 Thank you, Charlie. 2262 02:59:01,228 --> 02:59:03,696 You done a remarkable job. 2263 02:59:04,064 --> 02:59:07,556 You gave me a fair trial, just like you promised. 2264 02:59:08,535 --> 02:59:11,698 And l ain't bitter about having to go back in. 2265 02:59:12,038 --> 02:59:14,836 lt's always been my home anyhow. 2266 02:59:15,175 --> 02:59:17,234 What about death, Charlie? 2267 02:59:17,511 --> 02:59:19,240 What about it? 2268 02:59:20,147 --> 02:59:23,207 l told you, l'm already dead. 2269 02:59:24,151 --> 02:59:27,416 And while l'm waiting around to take the other form... 2270 02:59:27,888 --> 02:59:31,517 ...l got steady chow. lt ain't great, but it's better than garbage. 2271 02:59:32,626 --> 02:59:36,892 l don't gotta work if l don't want to, so l got plenty of time to play my guitar. 2272 02:59:37,597 --> 02:59:39,292 You know... 2273 02:59:40,300 --> 02:59:42,632 ...you beat a man with a whip... 2274 02:59:43,103 --> 02:59:45,230 ...and he likes the whip... 2275 02:59:48,175 --> 02:59:51,372 ...you're just making a fool out of yourself, partner. 2276 02:59:52,546 --> 02:59:56,915 -Aren't you gonna miss the girls? -l don't need broads. 2277 02:59:57,184 --> 02:59:59,414 There's plenty of sex in prison. 2278 03:00:00,754 --> 03:00:03,245 You still think the black man's gonna take over? 2279 03:00:04,891 --> 03:00:07,655 l may have put a clog in that one. 2280 03:00:08,395 --> 03:00:11,159 ln other words, the trial alerted whitey. 2281 03:00:11,698 --> 03:00:13,222 Yeah. 2282 03:00:13,767 --> 03:00:17,430 But l almost did it, didn't l? l almost pulled it off, almost made it. 2283 03:00:18,438 --> 03:00:20,599 No, Charlie, you weren't even close. 2284 03:00:21,374 --> 03:00:24,002 You killed some people, that's what you did. 2285 03:00:24,177 --> 03:00:26,008 You accomplished murder. 2286 03:00:26,279 --> 03:00:30,716 You took a bunch of sad kids, human flotsam... 2287 03:00:30,884 --> 03:00:33,478 ...and you played jailhouse games on them. 2288 03:00:34,054 --> 03:00:35,487 That's it, Charlie. 2289 03:00:35,655 --> 03:00:38,055 You're not even important anymore. 2290 03:00:59,646 --> 03:01:02,342 On February 18th, 1972... 2291 03:01:02,515 --> 03:01:07,418 ...the California State Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in California. 2292 03:01:07,587 --> 03:01:10,750 The death sentences of the killers in the Manson Family... 2293 03:01:10,924 --> 03:01:13,825 ...were automatically reduced to life imprisonment. 2294 03:01:13,994 --> 03:01:15,461 Manson himself... 2295 03:01:15,629 --> 03:01:20,362 ...becomes eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2296 03:01:21,635 --> 03:01:26,163 Susan Atkins, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2297 03:01:27,007 --> 03:01:31,842 Patricia Krenwinkel, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2298 03:01:33,079 --> 03:01:37,448 Leslie Van Houten, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2299 03:01:38,118 --> 03:01:43,351 Charles Tex Watson, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2300 03:01:43,890 --> 03:01:48,623 Bobby Beausoleil, murderer, eligible to apply for parole in 1978. 2301 03:01:49,262 --> 03:01:52,720 Meanwhile, other Family members, some implicated in one or more... 2302 03:01:52,899 --> 03:01:55,766 ...of the 35 killings admitted by Charles Manson... 2303 03:01:55,936 --> 03:01:59,303 ...are right now either at liberty or awaiting parole. 2304 03:02:02,542 --> 03:02:04,737 With Charles Manson in jail... 2305 03:02:04,911 --> 03:02:08,244 ...does an era of madness now come to an end? 2306 03:02:08,548 --> 03:02:12,712 Or will the social compost heap from which he sprang produce other... 2307 03:02:12,886 --> 03:02:16,378 ...perhaps more virulent strains of Mansonism? 2308 03:02:17,123 --> 03:02:20,991 Are there many more? Perhaps hundreds, or even thousands... 2309 03:02:21,161 --> 03:02:26,030 ...of young Mansons germinating in the same hotbed that gave birth to Charlie? 2310 03:02:26,199 --> 03:02:30,932 And will they be more antisocial, more aberrant than the original? 96078

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