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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,181 --> 00:00:14,741 She was one who had to come downstairs 2 00:00:14,901 --> 00:00:19,421 and find her mother bleeding, you know, dying on the floor. 3 00:00:19,581 --> 00:00:24,261 That's a trauma that she'll never be able to get rid of. 4 00:00:25,301 --> 00:00:27,901 We don't know where the weapon is in this case. 5 00:00:28,061 --> 00:00:29,661 It wasn't at the scene. 6 00:00:29,821 --> 00:00:32,221 It would need to be a weapon of some substance. 7 00:00:33,341 --> 00:00:35,381 Tonight, a new search and new information 8 00:00:35,541 --> 00:00:37,061 on a possible hate crime. 9 00:00:38,621 --> 00:00:42,461 There's an awful lot of pressure that's coming. You have the media. 10 00:00:42,621 --> 00:00:44,901 And of course, the media is gonna be paying particular attention 11 00:00:45,061 --> 00:00:47,861 to this because it has blood and violence in it. 12 00:00:49,541 --> 00:00:53,301 Police are under pressure to make something happen, 13 00:00:53,461 --> 00:00:55,621 and they need to arrest somebody. 14 00:00:55,781 --> 00:00:57,861 They need to announce that they've got leads. 15 00:01:00,581 --> 00:01:02,461 They've struck once. They may do it again. 16 00:01:04,461 --> 00:01:06,501 And staging the crime as a hate crime 17 00:01:06,661 --> 00:01:09,381 would take the focus off the immediate family members. 18 00:01:11,701 --> 00:01:15,501 As soon as you determine that there was no forced entry 19 00:01:15,661 --> 00:01:18,421 but there's that broken window to give that impression, 20 00:01:18,581 --> 00:01:19,981 well, then you have to start looking at, 21 00:01:20,141 --> 00:01:21,541 "Wait a minute, something's wrong." 22 00:01:23,941 --> 00:01:26,261 Significant other is always, 23 00:01:26,421 --> 00:01:31,141 always, always the number one suspect. Period. 24 00:01:33,061 --> 00:01:37,061 We have the husband now pointing the finger at the daughter. 25 00:01:37,221 --> 00:01:39,101 Once you know that you're accused of a murder, 26 00:01:39,261 --> 00:01:41,581 the first thing you want to do is further misdirect the police 27 00:01:41,741 --> 00:01:43,181 to go into another direction. 28 00:01:45,261 --> 00:01:49,141 Now he's caught in a lie. So what else is he lying about? 29 00:01:50,861 --> 00:01:56,141 I think anyone that stages a crime to create public outcry 30 00:01:56,301 --> 00:01:59,461 or discord deserves a special place. 31 00:02:19,701 --> 00:02:23,941 Shaima and Kassim fled Iraq due to an uprising. They came to the US, 32 00:02:24,101 --> 00:02:27,221 and they found a very welcoming Middle Eastern community 33 00:02:27,381 --> 00:02:29,501 called El Cajon, in California. 34 00:02:29,661 --> 00:02:32,861 And, you know, they really wanted to start this new life. 35 00:02:36,901 --> 00:02:39,221 I have asked many clients, 36 00:02:39,381 --> 00:02:42,981 "Why do Middle Eastern people come to El Cajon?" 37 00:02:43,141 --> 00:02:47,981 The most substantive response I've gotten is that it's a lot like 38 00:02:48,141 --> 00:02:52,061 their hometowns in places like Iraq 39 00:02:52,221 --> 00:02:54,821 and other Middle Eastern locations. 40 00:02:59,341 --> 00:03:02,381 Right away, Shaima really made an impression on the community. 41 00:03:02,541 --> 00:03:04,141 She made tons of friends. 42 00:03:04,301 --> 00:03:06,741 She was someone that people always wanted around. 43 00:03:06,901 --> 00:03:10,661 She was, you know, really a staple in that community very quickly. 44 00:03:14,221 --> 00:03:18,181 He and his wife met in a refugee camp, 45 00:03:18,341 --> 00:03:22,221 when she was, like, 13 or 14, very, very young. 46 00:03:25,621 --> 00:03:29,741 Shaima was particularly close with her teenage daughter, Fatima. 47 00:03:29,901 --> 00:03:31,941 They had a really special bond. 48 00:03:32,101 --> 00:03:35,581 And Fatima often referred to her mom as her best friend. 49 00:03:38,861 --> 00:03:41,701 Fatima is a very strong, 50 00:03:41,861 --> 00:03:45,181 very independent-thinking, 51 00:03:45,341 --> 00:03:50,981 Americanized child of Middle Eastern parents 52 00:03:51,141 --> 00:03:56,781 that grew up in what I would call a very severe environment. 53 00:04:00,101 --> 00:04:02,501 Because Shaima was such a bright light, 54 00:04:02,661 --> 00:04:04,581 such a warm, approachable person, 55 00:04:04,741 --> 00:04:07,341 no one ever would have thought that something this heinous 56 00:04:07,501 --> 00:04:09,261 would happen to someone like her. 57 00:04:19,181 --> 00:04:22,341 Fatima was upstairs in the home getting ready for her day. 58 00:04:22,501 --> 00:04:25,461 She comes down the stairs and was absolutely shocked 59 00:04:25,621 --> 00:04:29,101 to see her mother lying bleeding on the floor. 60 00:04:31,821 --> 00:04:33,861 She couldn't believe what she was seeing. 61 00:04:37,501 --> 00:04:40,581 To walk down and see your mother in that state... 62 00:04:43,141 --> 00:04:45,701 ...she probably went into a complete state of shock. 63 00:04:45,861 --> 00:04:49,061 She probably couldn't even comprehend what she was looking at. 64 00:04:50,621 --> 00:04:53,661 I found her on the floor, drowned in her own blood. 65 00:04:57,541 --> 00:05:02,901 So Fatima made an emergency call, and first responders came 66 00:05:03,061 --> 00:05:06,141 and found the body of her mother, who had been beaten. 67 00:05:09,621 --> 00:05:11,901 And there was a note next to her. 68 00:05:12,061 --> 00:05:15,021 Saying, "Go back to your country, terrorist." 69 00:05:15,181 --> 00:05:18,021 And because that was near her mother, 70 00:05:18,181 --> 00:05:21,381 it was right away viewed as a hate crime. 71 00:05:23,581 --> 00:05:26,621 Based on the contents of this note, we are not ruling out 72 00:05:26,781 --> 00:05:29,101 the possibility this may be a hate crime. 73 00:05:31,861 --> 00:05:34,301 I do a lot of work in El Cajon, 74 00:05:34,461 --> 00:05:37,021 so it caught my attention right away. 75 00:05:37,181 --> 00:05:40,381 And then not long after, I got a call, 76 00:05:40,541 --> 00:05:42,781 and we spoke for a minute or two. 77 00:05:42,941 --> 00:05:45,101 I don't remember what we spoke about, 78 00:05:45,261 --> 00:05:47,141 but at some point I went, 79 00:05:47,301 --> 00:05:49,781 "Are you the daughter in that case?" 80 00:05:49,941 --> 00:05:54,581 And she said, "Yes." And I think we both started crying. 81 00:05:54,741 --> 00:05:56,901 I mean, it was a very sad moment. 82 00:06:02,221 --> 00:06:06,661 Hate crimes are very sensitive things to investigate. 83 00:06:06,821 --> 00:06:09,421 They involve community tensions. 84 00:06:09,581 --> 00:06:11,341 Sometimes communities don't believe 85 00:06:11,501 --> 00:06:13,781 the police investigate hate crime properly. 86 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:17,741 Witnesses may not want to come forward because it's complicated. 87 00:06:17,901 --> 00:06:19,821 So in a certain sense, 88 00:06:19,981 --> 00:06:23,701 it was quite a credible thing, because of their Iraqi background, 89 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:26,581 that this could be the explanation for this case. 90 00:06:26,741 --> 00:06:30,821 And in fact, that is how the police treated the case initially. 91 00:06:34,901 --> 00:06:36,621 When they get to the scene and we see there's 92 00:06:36,781 --> 00:06:39,261 potential forced entry and then the note... 93 00:06:41,621 --> 00:06:44,701 The note itself is really not consistent 94 00:06:44,861 --> 00:06:47,381 with what we would find in a, quote, "hate crime". 95 00:06:48,701 --> 00:06:50,421 Really, in a hate crime, 96 00:06:50,581 --> 00:06:53,181 they're not just punishing this particular person. 97 00:06:53,341 --> 00:06:57,581 What they want to do in a hate crime is advertise to everybody else 98 00:06:57,741 --> 00:06:59,781 that this in fact happened. 99 00:06:59,941 --> 00:07:01,741 So just leaving a note is not it. 100 00:07:01,901 --> 00:07:04,541 They would do something else far bigger than that, 101 00:07:04,701 --> 00:07:07,301 to use this death as a warning to everybody else. 102 00:07:08,901 --> 00:07:10,941 This appears to be targeted, 103 00:07:11,101 --> 00:07:13,181 that they're looking at this one particular person, 104 00:07:13,341 --> 00:07:15,141 not Muslims in general. 105 00:07:17,701 --> 00:07:19,901 Once the news became public in the community 106 00:07:20,061 --> 00:07:21,821 that this could be a hate crime, 107 00:07:21,981 --> 00:07:24,541 it was terrifying for everyone, 108 00:07:24,701 --> 00:07:27,261 you know, because it's such a tight knit Middle Eastern community. 109 00:07:27,421 --> 00:07:29,261 They all felt that, you know, 110 00:07:29,421 --> 00:07:31,141 "This is something that could happen to me, too. 111 00:07:31,301 --> 00:07:33,141 If it could happen to her, why not me? 112 00:07:33,301 --> 00:07:35,261 My family, my neighbour." 113 00:07:37,621 --> 00:07:40,901 You know, it instilled a horrible amount of fear into everyone. 114 00:07:41,061 --> 00:07:43,581 And, what could happen next? 115 00:07:46,581 --> 00:07:48,261 They don't know who did this. 116 00:07:48,421 --> 00:07:50,421 They don't know if it's internal 117 00:07:50,581 --> 00:07:52,781 or somebody just came in from the outside. 118 00:07:52,941 --> 00:07:56,701 They won't have any idea what they should do to protect themselves. 119 00:07:59,541 --> 00:08:03,301 Any time you commit a crime on a victim 120 00:08:03,461 --> 00:08:06,541 that shares a characteristic, 121 00:08:06,701 --> 00:08:09,421 like being Middle Eastern or being gay, 122 00:08:09,581 --> 00:08:14,661 statutorily they can prosecute you for a hate crime, 123 00:08:14,821 --> 00:08:17,101 and the penalties are much higher. 124 00:08:17,261 --> 00:08:20,461 It's considered to be a more serious crime. 125 00:08:23,821 --> 00:08:27,901 Because this was a crime that seems to be a hate crime, 126 00:08:28,061 --> 00:08:30,981 it was picked up by media all over the place, not just local media, 127 00:08:31,141 --> 00:08:34,461 but, you know, major national outlets were talking about this. 128 00:08:36,981 --> 00:08:40,901 So the fact that it was garnering so much attention 129 00:08:41,061 --> 00:08:44,221 put a really extra sense of pressure on the case 130 00:08:44,381 --> 00:08:46,421 and pressure to solve it. 131 00:08:49,181 --> 00:08:52,381 The suspect broke a glass door in the rear of the house 132 00:08:52,541 --> 00:08:54,421 during the commission of the crime, 133 00:08:54,581 --> 00:08:57,621 which El Cajon police say could be a hate crime. 134 00:08:57,781 --> 00:08:59,741 But there is another reason this story 135 00:08:59,901 --> 00:09:01,941 is pulling at the world's heartstrings. 136 00:09:02,101 --> 00:09:05,781 Mohebi says it was well known that in coming to America from Iraq, 137 00:09:05,941 --> 00:09:10,021 Alawadi hoped to build a bond between Muslims and Christians, 138 00:09:10,181 --> 00:09:13,661 and she hoped she would have a safe haven here to do so. 139 00:09:13,821 --> 00:09:16,181 Shaima's husband, Kassim, 140 00:09:16,341 --> 00:09:18,661 became very vocal after the news 141 00:09:18,821 --> 00:09:20,861 that this was a perceived hate crime, 142 00:09:21,021 --> 00:09:23,301 appearing on camera, demanding answers, 143 00:09:23,461 --> 00:09:25,501 making sure that everyone was aware 144 00:09:25,661 --> 00:09:28,821 that they were looking for somebody who was capable of doing this. 145 00:09:28,981 --> 00:09:31,421 And he, you know, really took that cause on 146 00:09:31,581 --> 00:09:34,381 and was not afraid to let his voice be known. 147 00:09:36,781 --> 00:09:38,781 And once the news, 148 00:09:38,941 --> 00:09:42,061 you know, percolated throughout the community, people were coming out 149 00:09:42,221 --> 00:09:46,781 and protesting. They were really wanting answers of what happened 150 00:09:46,941 --> 00:09:48,981 and, "How are we going to be protected? 151 00:09:50,221 --> 00:09:52,501 So it became a big moment 152 00:09:52,661 --> 00:09:55,501 for the police department to start searching for answers. 153 00:10:08,221 --> 00:10:10,861 Alawadi's 17-year-old daughter, Fatima, 154 00:10:11,021 --> 00:10:14,821 finds her mother in a pool of blood on the dining room floor. 155 00:10:14,981 --> 00:10:16,981 She says her mother had been hit repeatedly in the head 156 00:10:17,141 --> 00:10:19,341 with a tyre iron. 157 00:10:19,501 --> 00:10:23,341 The first thing that investigators need to do is examine the scene 158 00:10:23,501 --> 00:10:28,901 and see if there are any fingerprints, 159 00:10:29,061 --> 00:10:32,341 anything forensic that can be traced back 160 00:10:32,501 --> 00:10:35,221 to someone who's in the system already. 161 00:10:36,701 --> 00:10:41,501 The investigator would then speak to the family of the victim to see, 162 00:10:41,661 --> 00:10:44,021 did they have any enemies? 163 00:10:44,181 --> 00:10:46,341 Had they been threatened? 164 00:10:46,501 --> 00:10:48,421 Had they encountered anyone suspicious 165 00:10:48,581 --> 00:10:50,661 or seen anything suspicious recently? 166 00:10:53,501 --> 00:10:55,861 The crime scene processors are gonna be looking 167 00:10:56,021 --> 00:10:58,781 for physical evidence. Anything that the perpetrator might 168 00:10:58,941 --> 00:11:02,461 have left behind. And also anything that indicates 169 00:11:02,621 --> 00:11:05,421 that this is NOT the kind of crime it looks like. 170 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:10,061 One of the things they discover is that the glass door 171 00:11:10,221 --> 00:11:14,061 was broken in a way that had to have been done from inside. 172 00:11:16,021 --> 00:11:19,381 It looked like the glass was shattered out into the yard, not in. 173 00:11:21,061 --> 00:11:24,341 Kassim's account is that there was an intruder, there was a break in, 174 00:11:24,501 --> 00:11:28,741 and that they smashed a window in his glass door in his house. 175 00:11:31,261 --> 00:11:33,181 Glass breaks in kind of two ways. 176 00:11:33,341 --> 00:11:37,821 It breaks into concentric rings and radial lines. 177 00:11:37,981 --> 00:11:40,741 And if you examine the edges of that glass, 178 00:11:40,901 --> 00:11:45,581 you can tell which direction the force came from. 179 00:11:47,901 --> 00:11:52,261 This does not suggest forced entry or a break in or intruders. 180 00:11:52,421 --> 00:11:54,021 It suggests something else. 181 00:11:58,541 --> 00:12:02,061 As soon as you determine that there was no forced entry 182 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:06,261 but there's that broken window to give that impression, well, 183 00:12:06,421 --> 00:12:08,941 then you have to start looking at, "Wait a minute, something's wrong." 184 00:12:10,101 --> 00:12:12,781 Whoever did this was already inside the house. 185 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:16,501 And that was added to distract the police. 186 00:12:17,781 --> 00:12:21,421 Now again, when you break a window in an occupied residence, 187 00:12:21,581 --> 00:12:23,861 what you're doing is you're alerting the resident. 188 00:12:24,021 --> 00:12:27,341 So someone who's coming in to do something to the resident 189 00:12:27,501 --> 00:12:29,181 might not want to make all that noise. 190 00:12:29,341 --> 00:12:32,021 So you have to take all that into consideration. 191 00:12:34,141 --> 00:12:38,501 The fact that such a violent and bloody scene happened 192 00:12:38,661 --> 00:12:41,421 and no one heard anything 193 00:12:41,581 --> 00:12:45,541 points to the fact that she had to know her attacker. 194 00:12:46,941 --> 00:12:49,781 And also, she was a very strict Muslim, 195 00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:53,141 so she wore a hijab anytime she was out in public 196 00:12:53,301 --> 00:12:55,581 or any time she would see someone. 197 00:12:55,741 --> 00:12:58,701 She was not wearing that when she was found. 198 00:13:01,381 --> 00:13:05,101 That further leads you to believe that she had been inside her house 199 00:13:05,261 --> 00:13:07,901 with someone she was comfortable around. 200 00:13:08,061 --> 00:13:11,741 Who is she comfortable around? Who has access to the home? 201 00:13:11,901 --> 00:13:13,701 Her family. 202 00:13:15,981 --> 00:13:19,461 The police eventually go through and took a look in her car. 203 00:13:19,621 --> 00:13:23,021 And they find actual divorce papers. Well, 204 00:13:23,181 --> 00:13:27,581 that immediately goes to the very top of the list of motive. Divorce. 205 00:13:31,301 --> 00:13:33,821 Mom took out divorce papers. 206 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:38,541 I believe she presented them to the father. 207 00:13:38,701 --> 00:13:42,301 And of course, that created some problems, 208 00:13:42,461 --> 00:13:45,581 some tension, some passion. 209 00:13:50,061 --> 00:13:51,861 In law enforcement circles, 210 00:13:52,021 --> 00:13:55,461 significant other is always, always, 211 00:13:55,621 --> 00:13:59,541 always the number one suspect. Period. 212 00:14:02,101 --> 00:14:07,381 Every single case where that relationship exists. 213 00:14:07,541 --> 00:14:09,781 So things began to emerge. 214 00:14:13,421 --> 00:14:15,821 Police would then frame that as, "Well, why are there tensions? 215 00:14:15,981 --> 00:14:19,941 Does it involve domestic violence? Does it involve other issues?" 216 00:14:20,101 --> 00:14:22,581 And they would then start to investigate that. 217 00:14:22,741 --> 00:14:26,901 But it provides a motive for her death 218 00:14:27,061 --> 00:14:30,781 that is different from the hate crime motive. 219 00:14:37,621 --> 00:14:40,741 The other tensions that were bubbling up 220 00:14:40,901 --> 00:14:43,581 were the parents' desire 221 00:14:43,741 --> 00:14:47,941 that Fatima marry her cousin, 222 00:14:48,101 --> 00:14:50,181 who I believe lived in Iraq. 223 00:14:50,341 --> 00:14:53,821 Fatima was not happy with that. 224 00:14:53,981 --> 00:14:56,541 That created tension with her parents 225 00:14:56,701 --> 00:14:58,901 and between the parents. 226 00:14:59,061 --> 00:15:02,421 So there was a lot going on. 227 00:15:04,821 --> 00:15:08,861 It wouldn't immediately just dismiss the hate crime motive. 228 00:15:09,021 --> 00:15:11,061 As in many cases, 229 00:15:11,221 --> 00:15:14,661 until a dominant theory of the crime emerges, 230 00:15:14,821 --> 00:15:16,821 there will be parallel investigations 231 00:15:16,981 --> 00:15:18,661 into different explanations. 232 00:15:18,821 --> 00:15:21,221 But it would frame the crime in a very different way. 233 00:15:22,621 --> 00:15:24,501 In the initial stages of this investigation, 234 00:15:24,661 --> 00:15:27,981 the note was discovered very close to where the victim was found. 235 00:15:30,141 --> 00:15:34,141 The note turns out to have been photocopied from a note 236 00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:37,581 that had been left a few weeks earlier outside the door. 237 00:15:38,781 --> 00:15:41,341 So who would have photocopied the note 238 00:15:41,501 --> 00:15:43,341 rather than just written it originally? 239 00:15:43,501 --> 00:15:49,181 And so there are suspicious elements to this that give them leads to 240 00:15:49,341 --> 00:15:51,181 "Now we have to investigate this further." 241 00:15:53,581 --> 00:15:56,061 When they find that the note was prepared 242 00:15:56,221 --> 00:15:58,181 some time BEFORE the crime, 243 00:15:58,341 --> 00:16:02,461 I think that would then make Kassim's actions look suspicious. 244 00:16:07,941 --> 00:16:10,821 When the evidence points away from a hate crime 245 00:16:10,981 --> 00:16:14,261 and the focus then turns toward the family, 246 00:16:14,421 --> 00:16:18,501 the investigators' focus needs to be on ruling family members out. 247 00:16:18,661 --> 00:16:20,381 So they would interview them, 248 00:16:20,541 --> 00:16:23,381 and they would try to find corroborating information 249 00:16:23,541 --> 00:16:25,701 to back up their story. 250 00:16:30,101 --> 00:16:32,501 When we first interview a witness 251 00:16:32,661 --> 00:16:34,901 that has experienced a traumatic event, you know, 252 00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:37,621 we understand that we got to be cool and calm. 253 00:16:37,781 --> 00:16:40,581 The problem is is it's imperative to get the information 254 00:16:40,741 --> 00:16:43,021 as quickly as we can as to what they found. 255 00:16:44,621 --> 00:16:47,221 El Cajon Police say they are investigating all aspects 256 00:16:47,381 --> 00:16:50,141 of this case, including the possibility of a hate crime. 257 00:16:50,301 --> 00:16:53,381 But they also say based on the evidence gathered so far, 258 00:16:53,541 --> 00:16:55,861 they do believe this is an isolated incident. 259 00:16:58,141 --> 00:17:03,701 Hate crimes are so vile that it would be hard to believe 260 00:17:03,861 --> 00:17:07,581 someone in her own family would write an anti-Muslim note. 261 00:17:10,221 --> 00:17:13,581 And also the fact that everything pointed 262 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:16,101 to this not being a hate crime 263 00:17:16,261 --> 00:17:20,501 indicates that the crime was staged to appear like a hate crime. 264 00:17:21,821 --> 00:17:24,341 And staging the crime as a hate crime 265 00:17:24,501 --> 00:17:28,501 would take the focus off the immediate family members. 266 00:17:30,421 --> 00:17:33,061 A problem that often arises 267 00:17:33,221 --> 00:17:36,621 is that this person who staged the crime, 268 00:17:36,781 --> 00:17:41,621 their emotions that they project when they speak to law enforcement 269 00:17:41,781 --> 00:17:46,941 is often not in line with what one would expect emotions to be 270 00:17:47,101 --> 00:17:49,261 when they find their loved one killed. 271 00:17:54,261 --> 00:17:58,941 That whole area of psychology is pretty interesting. 272 00:17:59,101 --> 00:18:02,981 I mean, there are people that kill people who cry real tears. 273 00:18:08,221 --> 00:18:10,701 At a memorial service for Shaima Tuesday afternoon, 274 00:18:10,861 --> 00:18:14,301 a plea from Shaima's husband, translated by her 15-year-old son. 275 00:18:14,461 --> 00:18:17,861 What are you getting out of this, 276 00:18:18,021 --> 00:18:19,701 and why did you do it? 277 00:18:21,141 --> 00:18:22,861 This particular case, 278 00:18:23,021 --> 00:18:25,301 when the husband is constantly going to the media 279 00:18:25,461 --> 00:18:27,781 and reaffirming this hate crime 280 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:32,141 and trying to drum up support with the rest of the Muslim community, 281 00:18:32,301 --> 00:18:33,661 to me, that's very important. 282 00:18:34,901 --> 00:18:37,941 Going on camera and having a press conference 283 00:18:38,101 --> 00:18:42,381 makes him look MORE like a victim in this case. 284 00:18:45,021 --> 00:18:47,861 He's still trying to keep control over things. 285 00:18:48,021 --> 00:18:50,021 It's one of the reasons he held a news conference. 286 00:18:50,181 --> 00:18:54,501 He wanted to make sure everybody bought into his version of it. 287 00:18:58,821 --> 00:19:04,701 He was so little considered to be the suspect 288 00:19:04,861 --> 00:19:08,981 and so little considered to be a flight risk 289 00:19:09,141 --> 00:19:14,541 that they "let him" take her body back to Iraq. 290 00:19:18,101 --> 00:19:22,021 Police are under pressure to make something happen, 291 00:19:22,181 --> 00:19:24,141 and they need to arrest somebody. 292 00:19:24,301 --> 00:19:26,501 They need to announce that they've got leads, 293 00:19:26,661 --> 00:19:30,181 that they have a productive plan in place 294 00:19:30,341 --> 00:19:33,021 and something's going to happen to reassure people, 295 00:19:33,181 --> 00:19:36,501 because otherwise it just looks like they don't know what they're doing 296 00:19:36,661 --> 00:19:39,061 and everybody remains unsafe. 297 00:19:43,621 --> 00:19:46,301 There's an awful lot of pressure that's coming. 298 00:19:46,461 --> 00:19:48,501 It's pressure not only just to solve what's happening, 299 00:19:48,661 --> 00:19:51,341 but you also have outside influences. 300 00:19:51,501 --> 00:19:54,341 You have the media. And of course, 301 00:19:54,501 --> 00:19:56,981 the media is going to be paying particular attention to this 302 00:19:57,141 --> 00:19:59,381 because it has blood and violence in it. 303 00:20:02,101 --> 00:20:05,181 And the remainder of the Muslim community, 304 00:20:05,341 --> 00:20:07,501 they're going to be outraged as well. 305 00:20:09,821 --> 00:20:11,501 They have to be assured that 306 00:20:11,661 --> 00:20:14,661 the police aren't just brushing this away, they are treating it 307 00:20:14,821 --> 00:20:17,221 with the necessary attention that it deserves. 308 00:20:20,821 --> 00:20:22,981 He had been so involved 309 00:20:23,141 --> 00:20:25,181 and been vocal, talking about it being a hate crime. 310 00:20:25,341 --> 00:20:29,261 You know, how could he possibly be the one who was involved in this? 311 00:20:44,021 --> 00:20:46,261 We do know that Shaima Alawadi was planning 312 00:20:46,421 --> 00:20:49,901 to divorce her husband and move to Texas with her children. 313 00:20:51,381 --> 00:20:53,741 Investigators Tuesday removed bags of evidence 314 00:20:53,901 --> 00:20:57,261 as they executed a second search warrant on her Skyview Street home 315 00:20:57,421 --> 00:21:00,021 in El Cajon, where the Iraqi mother of five was found 316 00:21:00,181 --> 00:21:03,661 bludgeoned with a tyre iron last Wednesday morning. 317 00:21:06,741 --> 00:21:10,181 The two immediate suspects are Kassim, the husband, 318 00:21:10,341 --> 00:21:13,861 who might have known that his wife was about to divorce him... 319 00:21:15,581 --> 00:21:18,981 ...and Fatima, who apparently has some beef 320 00:21:19,141 --> 00:21:22,141 with them wanting to put her into an arranged marriage. 321 00:21:22,301 --> 00:21:24,061 And she does not want to do this. 322 00:21:24,221 --> 00:21:26,781 So we have two people in the household 323 00:21:26,941 --> 00:21:31,021 who already have motive for committing this murder. 324 00:21:35,381 --> 00:21:36,581 And then you have to look at, OK, 325 00:21:36,741 --> 00:21:38,701 out of these two people that we know that were there, 326 00:21:38,861 --> 00:21:41,541 who's most likely to have committed the crime? 327 00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:45,261 And then typically in interfamilial or domestic-type events, 328 00:21:45,421 --> 00:21:48,901 it's usually the other spouse that's going to be suspect number one, 329 00:21:49,061 --> 00:21:50,541 automatically. 330 00:21:58,381 --> 00:22:03,341 There are videos of him at her coffin in Iraq 331 00:22:03,501 --> 00:22:05,501 where he broke down... 332 00:22:05,661 --> 00:22:07,661 very emotionally. 333 00:22:09,141 --> 00:22:12,821 I don't know what the normal way to react to a death is, 334 00:22:12,981 --> 00:22:16,661 even if you're the one that committed the killing. 335 00:22:20,341 --> 00:22:22,021 So now they have two suspects. 336 00:22:22,181 --> 00:22:24,981 They have to investigate both further. 337 00:22:26,181 --> 00:22:28,821 It's possible the two of them were in on it together, 338 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:31,661 and that's something they also have to think about. 339 00:22:33,621 --> 00:22:37,861 Fatima had a boyfriend. She did not want to have this arranged marriage. 340 00:22:38,021 --> 00:22:42,981 And this boyfriend was seen with her around the time of the incident. 341 00:22:46,261 --> 00:22:49,741 So her resistance to this arranged marriage gives her a motive 342 00:22:49,901 --> 00:22:52,341 for why she might want her mother dead. 343 00:22:54,421 --> 00:22:57,941 They have a note, so they might be able to compare handwriting. 344 00:22:58,101 --> 00:23:00,301 That's one thing. 345 00:23:00,461 --> 00:23:06,221 If they can find the implement that was used to either bludgeon Shaima 346 00:23:06,381 --> 00:23:10,181 or break the door, so that's potentially a crowbar, 347 00:23:10,341 --> 00:23:14,141 something like that, they can check it for who might have handled it. 348 00:23:16,901 --> 00:23:20,141 They're going to be looking at any kind of computer 349 00:23:20,301 --> 00:23:23,581 or digital record on phones, tablets, anything like that, 350 00:23:23,741 --> 00:23:26,821 to see if somebody had planned this out in some way 351 00:23:26,981 --> 00:23:30,381 or if there was any collusion between father and daughter on this. 352 00:23:33,701 --> 00:23:35,261 All through their interviews, 353 00:23:35,421 --> 00:23:37,861 even when they had all this information that kind of points 354 00:23:38,021 --> 00:23:41,261 to the husband, the husband still maintains that he wasn't present. 355 00:23:41,421 --> 00:23:44,421 And there's no other evidence to firmly establish 356 00:23:44,581 --> 00:23:46,661 that he was there at that particular time. 357 00:23:46,821 --> 00:23:49,621 So the police came up with a photograph that they doctored 358 00:23:49,781 --> 00:23:53,661 to make it appear as if his car had been photographed 359 00:23:53,821 --> 00:23:55,981 at another location nearby. 360 00:23:57,581 --> 00:23:59,781 This use of false evidence, 361 00:23:59,941 --> 00:24:02,021 which is totally legal in the United States, 362 00:24:02,181 --> 00:24:04,301 can sometimes break down your offender when they realise, 363 00:24:04,461 --> 00:24:07,421 "Uh-oh, my alibi isn't holding up." 364 00:24:11,181 --> 00:24:15,021 The police, in a creative move, 365 00:24:15,181 --> 00:24:18,821 confronted him with the picture... 366 00:24:18,981 --> 00:24:23,501 that they said was taken from a nearby camera. 367 00:24:23,661 --> 00:24:28,581 And the father actually did not park his car there, 368 00:24:28,741 --> 00:24:31,101 but they confronted him with it, 369 00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:34,261 and he cracked. 370 00:24:40,541 --> 00:24:42,261 He made a mistake. 371 00:24:42,421 --> 00:24:45,541 He knew that the cops had got him. Or at least he thought so. 372 00:24:45,701 --> 00:24:48,221 And he made a very important admission that, 373 00:24:48,381 --> 00:24:50,061 yes, he was, in fact, at the house. 374 00:24:55,061 --> 00:24:57,141 Now he's caught in a lie. 375 00:24:57,301 --> 00:24:59,701 So what else is he lying about? 376 00:24:59,861 --> 00:25:04,301 That's an open door to start really putting pressure on him. 377 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:09,141 He might fess up to other things that give them leverage. 378 00:25:09,301 --> 00:25:11,261 I'm outside the former home of Shaima Alawadi. 379 00:25:11,421 --> 00:25:14,581 I spoke with her daughter's best friend today and she says the family 380 00:25:14,741 --> 00:25:18,861 is not surprised to hear about today's arrest of Kassim Alhimidi. 381 00:25:19,021 --> 00:25:20,541 Today, 382 00:25:20,701 --> 00:25:24,381 the Iraqi man accused of killing his wife faced a judge. 383 00:25:24,541 --> 00:25:27,861 Kassim Alhimidi appeared on video during his arraignment. 384 00:25:28,021 --> 00:25:30,861 Not guilty 385 00:25:31,021 --> 00:25:34,181 Arabic interpreter and a public defender were at his side. 386 00:25:34,341 --> 00:25:36,541 His five children watched from the courtroom. 387 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:38,901 His daughter, Fatima, shown here today, 388 00:25:39,061 --> 00:25:41,981 wept when she saw her father on the screen. 389 00:25:46,421 --> 00:25:50,181 Once Kassim was arrested and charged for this crime, 390 00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:55,221 that news was an absolute shock to the whole entire community. 391 00:25:55,381 --> 00:25:58,941 They had all been so involved in trying to find this person. 392 00:25:59,101 --> 00:26:00,941 It was unbelievable to everyone. 393 00:26:03,901 --> 00:26:07,821 The Muslim community would be relieved to some degree 394 00:26:07,981 --> 00:26:11,101 that this ISN'T a hate crime. It's not what it looked like. 395 00:26:11,261 --> 00:26:15,101 That would make them very angry and doubly angry. 396 00:26:15,261 --> 00:26:19,301 It isn't just about a failed domestic situation that's tragic. 397 00:26:19,461 --> 00:26:22,261 It's about, "You used us 398 00:26:22,421 --> 00:26:25,661 to try to make this look like something else. 399 00:26:25,821 --> 00:26:29,341 And we want justice. Not just for the victim but for all of us." 400 00:26:34,221 --> 00:26:38,461 Because the community had been so involved in solving this case 401 00:26:38,621 --> 00:26:41,421 and demanding answers from the police department, 402 00:26:41,581 --> 00:26:45,301 when Kassim was officially charged with this crime, 403 00:26:45,461 --> 00:26:48,341 you know, the community really did want a sense of justice here. 404 00:26:48,501 --> 00:26:51,301 They wanted him to be held responsible. 405 00:26:51,461 --> 00:26:55,021 They wanted him to really apologise. 406 00:26:59,381 --> 00:27:01,101 Much of the affidavit is centred on 407 00:27:01,261 --> 00:27:04,301 the behaviour of Shaima's 17-year-old daughter, Fatima, 408 00:27:04,461 --> 00:27:07,981 the only other person known to be in the home at the time of the attack. 409 00:27:08,141 --> 00:27:11,341 She was evidently unhappy about an arranged marriage. 410 00:27:14,301 --> 00:27:17,381 He points the finger at his daughter as the perpetrator 411 00:27:17,541 --> 00:27:21,861 and tries to vilify her essentially and blame her for this. 412 00:27:22,021 --> 00:27:25,061 That's now just tearing the family completely apart. 413 00:27:25,221 --> 00:27:27,501 He hasn't allied with her in any way. 414 00:27:27,661 --> 00:27:31,301 She's 17. She's forced to be alone to fight this out herself. 415 00:27:31,461 --> 00:27:35,981 And she too, with a circumstantial case, it could be made against her. 416 00:27:36,141 --> 00:27:38,741 The daughter, Fatima, changed her story. 417 00:27:38,901 --> 00:27:43,261 And why the Muslim teen continued to lie about her Chaldean boyfriend 418 00:27:43,421 --> 00:27:46,141 and her relationship with her mother. 419 00:27:46,301 --> 00:27:49,741 I think you had two clear suspects. 420 00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:53,741 We're not sure where they were at the time of the murder. 421 00:27:53,901 --> 00:27:56,181 And they each have their own narrative. 422 00:27:58,341 --> 00:28:00,541 Fatima, she knew her mother wanted to get a divorce, 423 00:28:00,701 --> 00:28:02,901 and she knew that they had a contentious marriage. 424 00:28:03,061 --> 00:28:06,301 So she has ammunition against her father. 425 00:28:06,461 --> 00:28:10,221 And they're just clashing. One of them wants the other to go down. 426 00:28:10,381 --> 00:28:12,261 And this is not how you think about families. 427 00:28:12,421 --> 00:28:14,701 You have the offender, the husband, 428 00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:17,621 now pointing the finger at the daughter. 429 00:28:17,781 --> 00:28:19,661 That is not uncommon, 430 00:28:19,821 --> 00:28:22,501 because once you know that you're accused of a murder, 431 00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:25,261 the first thing you want to do is further misdirect the police 432 00:28:25,421 --> 00:28:27,941 to go into another direction. 433 00:28:28,101 --> 00:28:33,341 What a defence attorney needs is their own version of the events. 434 00:28:34,621 --> 00:28:37,221 And part of the defence story has to be, 435 00:28:37,381 --> 00:28:41,541 "If my client didn't do this, who else did?" 436 00:28:41,701 --> 00:28:44,901 And if you can point to a probable suspect, 437 00:28:45,061 --> 00:28:47,021 the prosecution's almost in a position 438 00:28:47,181 --> 00:28:49,341 where they need to disprove that. 439 00:28:50,541 --> 00:28:53,141 They need to show that there's sufficient evidence that 440 00:28:53,301 --> 00:28:55,981 this person DIDN'T do it. 441 00:28:56,141 --> 00:28:58,941 And in this case, the daughter would have been the only one 442 00:28:59,101 --> 00:29:02,581 that could have broken the glass from the inside 443 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:06,101 and who could have also staged the scene. 444 00:29:07,701 --> 00:29:13,581 Now blaming a crime on his daughter also makes some sense, 445 00:29:13,741 --> 00:29:17,301 because the defence can put forward a motive for the daughter 446 00:29:17,461 --> 00:29:19,381 to have killed the mother. 447 00:29:19,541 --> 00:29:22,181 So anytime you can point the finger at someone else, 448 00:29:22,341 --> 00:29:24,141 it's very helpful to the defence. 449 00:29:26,501 --> 00:29:29,421 El Cajon Police Chief Jim Redman finally put to rest rumours 450 00:29:29,581 --> 00:29:31,741 that had persisted for months, that the murder 451 00:29:31,901 --> 00:29:34,421 of 32-year-old Shaima Alawadi was a hate crime. 452 00:29:34,581 --> 00:29:37,381 Instead, he says, her husband, Kassim Alhimidi, 453 00:29:37,541 --> 00:29:39,501 brutally beat her to death. 454 00:29:41,101 --> 00:29:45,381 When he does plead not guilty and he's going to go to trial, 455 00:29:45,541 --> 00:29:48,901 the trial sets off a major flurry of attention 456 00:29:49,061 --> 00:29:51,341 throughout the whole entire country, 457 00:29:51,501 --> 00:29:53,581 media outlets, the community. 458 00:29:53,741 --> 00:29:55,861 Everyone wants to see the outcome of this trial 459 00:29:56,021 --> 00:29:57,941 because they were already so heavily invested 460 00:29:58,101 --> 00:30:01,101 in this potential hate crime that had occurred. 461 00:30:13,341 --> 00:30:15,381 Tonight, a husband is behind bars, 462 00:30:15,541 --> 00:30:17,381 charged with his wife's murder, 463 00:30:17,541 --> 00:30:20,581 which was staged to look like a hate crime. 464 00:30:20,741 --> 00:30:23,501 Alawadi's bloody body was found by her daughter, Fatima, 465 00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:26,541 seen here talking to Ten News the day after the murder. 466 00:30:26,701 --> 00:30:30,141 And standing beside her, the man now charged with his wife's murder, 467 00:30:30,301 --> 00:30:33,221 Kassim Alhimidi. As you can see, he appears to be crying. 468 00:30:33,381 --> 00:30:35,101 And within a couple of weeks, 469 00:30:35,261 --> 00:30:39,101 here he is at his wife's funeral in Iraq, collapsing to the ground. 470 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:49,821 Mr Alawadi may have been offered a plea deal 471 00:30:49,981 --> 00:30:52,181 that was not acceptable to him. 472 00:30:52,341 --> 00:30:55,901 It is his constitutional right to have a trial by jury. 473 00:30:58,701 --> 00:31:02,301 What he is saying by taking this case to trial is saying, 474 00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,021 "You think I did this? Prove it 475 00:31:05,181 --> 00:31:08,541 but prove it beyond a reasonable doubt." 476 00:31:11,181 --> 00:31:14,141 Once the investigators believe they have enough evidence, 477 00:31:14,301 --> 00:31:17,301 the case goes to the prosecutor for charging decisions, 478 00:31:17,461 --> 00:31:19,821 and that can happen one of two ways. 479 00:31:19,981 --> 00:31:23,341 One, by the prosecutor filing a legal document 480 00:31:23,501 --> 00:31:26,701 that accuses him of the crime. 481 00:31:26,861 --> 00:31:32,061 And the other way of doing it is by taking the case before a grand jury. 482 00:31:32,221 --> 00:31:35,261 And interestingly, only the prosecutor 483 00:31:35,421 --> 00:31:37,701 presents evidence before the grand jury. 484 00:31:38,941 --> 00:31:42,461 We do not have a defence attorney in there to question any of it. 485 00:31:42,621 --> 00:31:45,861 And the grand jury has to determine, 486 00:31:46,021 --> 00:31:49,221 is there enough evidence here that we could send it to a jury 487 00:31:49,381 --> 00:31:52,901 and a jury could reasonably believe that it was him? 488 00:31:56,661 --> 00:32:00,381 Reasonable doubt means we don't have clear, direct physical evidence 489 00:32:00,541 --> 00:32:04,221 that puts the murder weapon in this person's hand. 490 00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:08,581 So what you have is circumstances, and the jury is going to decide 491 00:32:08,741 --> 00:32:10,461 whether they have enough circumstances, 492 00:32:10,621 --> 00:32:12,781 that this is way too much for coincidence, 493 00:32:12,941 --> 00:32:16,661 somebody that this case is built against is definitely guilty. 494 00:32:18,981 --> 00:32:24,501 So the defence is trying to poke a hole in that set of circumstances 495 00:32:24,661 --> 00:32:27,541 and show you still haven't really proven anything. 496 00:32:31,541 --> 00:32:33,301 Going to trial, he still believes 497 00:32:33,461 --> 00:32:36,141 that he can get one over on the jury. 498 00:32:36,301 --> 00:32:40,781 Kassim Alhimidi used a rolled up towel to silence his sobs 499 00:32:40,941 --> 00:32:44,021 as his defence attorney made a final plea to jurors, 500 00:32:44,181 --> 00:32:46,941 saying Alhimidi loved his wife and wouldn't kill her, 501 00:32:47,101 --> 00:32:49,821 so much so that when he learned Shaima Alawadi, 502 00:32:49,981 --> 00:32:53,021 the mother of his five children, was brain dead, he broke down. 503 00:32:53,181 --> 00:32:55,541 He said, "Take my brain. 504 00:32:55,701 --> 00:32:57,981 Take my brain and implant it in her. 505 00:33:00,461 --> 00:33:02,501 I'll pay you any amount of money. 506 00:33:02,661 --> 00:33:04,661 Save her life." 507 00:33:06,661 --> 00:33:09,821 The jury would be confronted with a motive 508 00:33:09,981 --> 00:33:13,461 which explains all of this evidence. 509 00:33:13,621 --> 00:33:16,381 The motive needs to be credible, needs to be plausible, 510 00:33:16,541 --> 00:33:18,341 and it needs to be convincing 511 00:33:18,501 --> 00:33:21,541 so that they believe that is the explanation 512 00:33:21,701 --> 00:33:24,981 for all these indirect pieces of evidence 513 00:33:25,141 --> 00:33:28,581 that link to Kassim being the killer 514 00:33:28,741 --> 00:33:32,141 and overcoming any gaps in the evidence, 515 00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:35,101 for example, the absence of the weapon. 516 00:33:38,061 --> 00:33:40,301 We don't know where the weapon is in this case. 517 00:33:40,461 --> 00:33:42,621 It wasn't at the scene. It was never recovered. 518 00:33:42,781 --> 00:33:46,301 But you can infer what that weapon might be. 519 00:33:48,981 --> 00:33:52,261 The pathologist described the injuries as blunt trauma injuries. 520 00:33:52,421 --> 00:33:55,301 So he or she was distinguishing those injuries 521 00:33:55,461 --> 00:34:00,101 from lacerations from a knife or a sharp object, from a gunshot. 522 00:34:02,181 --> 00:34:06,341 It is also likely that the pathologist would have indicated 523 00:34:06,501 --> 00:34:08,421 how heavy the weapon was. 524 00:34:08,581 --> 00:34:11,141 It would need to be a weapon of some substance. Now, 525 00:34:11,301 --> 00:34:12,981 why would the pathologist know that? 526 00:34:13,141 --> 00:34:16,941 By examining the wound, the shape of the wound, 527 00:34:17,101 --> 00:34:21,461 the length of the wound, the damage to the skin or bone, 528 00:34:21,621 --> 00:34:24,501 whether these were cuts or bruises, 529 00:34:24,661 --> 00:34:27,781 how deep the bruising went and so on and so forth. So, 530 00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:31,381 it's something experienced forensic pathologists do all the time, 531 00:34:31,541 --> 00:34:34,621 particularly when no weapon is recovered. 532 00:34:37,421 --> 00:34:40,661 Even the prosecutor in this case says this is not a slam dunk. 533 00:34:40,821 --> 00:34:44,661 No, it's not. And that's because mostly it's circumstantial. 534 00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:46,821 The murder weapon was never found. 535 00:34:46,981 --> 00:34:50,741 There was no blood evidence ever linking Kassim Alhimidi 536 00:34:50,901 --> 00:34:52,581 to the murder of his wife 537 00:34:52,741 --> 00:34:57,621 or linking him to that bizarre hate letter that was left near her body. 538 00:34:59,061 --> 00:35:02,461 I believe that Kassim thought he had everything under control. 539 00:35:02,621 --> 00:35:04,981 And as soon as he was a suspect, he found out he didn't. 540 00:35:05,141 --> 00:35:07,261 And even during the trial, 541 00:35:07,421 --> 00:35:10,541 he would have been still very heavily invested in the fact that 542 00:35:10,701 --> 00:35:12,021 "people should believe me". 543 00:35:14,741 --> 00:35:18,341 He believes a lot in the power of his own convictions 544 00:35:18,501 --> 00:35:21,061 and he's a very strong presence. 545 00:35:21,221 --> 00:35:24,781 And he continues to want people to hear his voice, 546 00:35:24,941 --> 00:35:26,861 even though it's kind of over. 547 00:35:27,021 --> 00:35:29,741 Now Kassim Alhimidi was wailing so loudly, 548 00:35:29,901 --> 00:35:32,141 the judge had to call for a break, and at one point, 549 00:35:32,301 --> 00:35:35,141 he just put his head down, dropped his arms and sobbed. 550 00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:38,461 Testimony showed Shaima referred to her husband 551 00:35:38,621 --> 00:35:42,901 as the actor for his manufactured emotions. 552 00:35:44,541 --> 00:35:49,061 The family and the community really wanted to see Kassim pay 553 00:35:49,221 --> 00:35:50,901 for what he did because, you know, 554 00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:53,501 not only had he gotten the entire community involved 555 00:35:53,661 --> 00:35:56,261 in trying to solve this hate crime, he had done this violent, 556 00:35:56,421 --> 00:36:00,141 horrible crime to their beloved member of their community 557 00:36:00,301 --> 00:36:02,701 and tried to lie about it on top of it. 558 00:36:04,541 --> 00:36:06,861 It was like one blow after the other, 559 00:36:07,021 --> 00:36:11,341 and people just really wanted to see him pay for that. 560 00:36:12,821 --> 00:36:16,101 After the prosecution and defence have done all of their arguments 561 00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:18,421 and admitted all of the evidence, 562 00:36:18,581 --> 00:36:20,301 the case goes to the jury, 563 00:36:20,461 --> 00:36:24,221 and the jury needs to determine beyond reasonable doubt, 564 00:36:24,381 --> 00:36:26,941 did this person commit this crime? 565 00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:33,861 Deliberations sometimes take a long time. 566 00:36:34,021 --> 00:36:37,421 And if at the end of the first day of deliberations 567 00:36:37,581 --> 00:36:40,981 the jury hasn't reached a verdict, they can continue the next day. 568 00:36:43,181 --> 00:36:46,381 And if you have one person on that jury 569 00:36:46,541 --> 00:36:49,341 who is not completely convinced 570 00:36:49,501 --> 00:36:53,141 and they cannot be convinced by the other jurors, 571 00:36:53,301 --> 00:36:56,661 it ends up in a hung jury, which means a mistrial. 572 00:36:56,821 --> 00:36:59,301 So everyone has to be on the same page. 573 00:37:02,381 --> 00:37:06,741 If convicted, Alhimidi could get 26 years to life in prison. 574 00:37:06,901 --> 00:37:11,021 The jury will return here tomorrow morning to begin its deliberations. 575 00:37:15,661 --> 00:37:17,381 It's not a quick verdict, 576 00:37:17,541 --> 00:37:20,501 but it certainly didn't take that long for them to come back with it. 577 00:37:24,261 --> 00:37:28,181 California, plaintiff, versus Kassim Alhimidi, defendant. 578 00:37:28,341 --> 00:37:30,541 Guilty of the crime of murder. 579 00:37:35,021 --> 00:37:38,021 Once the verdict comes in and it doesn't go his way, 580 00:37:38,181 --> 00:37:41,341 he's going to explode... 581 00:37:42,541 --> 00:37:44,461 ...and insist that they're wrong. 582 00:37:44,621 --> 00:37:47,581 He's innocent, and he just wants to die. 583 00:37:47,741 --> 00:37:50,901 Wants it all over with. He can't even believe this happened. 584 00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:53,061 The guilty verdict against Kassim Alhimidi 585 00:37:53,221 --> 00:37:55,461 brought pandemonium to the courtroom. 586 00:37:55,621 --> 00:37:58,901 His oldest son, Mohammad, began screaming in the gallery. 587 00:37:59,061 --> 00:38:01,381 That's ... 588 00:38:01,541 --> 00:38:03,941 Others joined in then, including the defendant. 589 00:38:05,981 --> 00:38:07,661 Then a struggle as deputies hold 590 00:38:07,821 --> 00:38:09,941 the younger Alhimidi out of the courtroom. 591 00:38:18,301 --> 00:38:21,101 He was handcuffed in the hallway and arrested. 592 00:38:21,261 --> 00:38:23,101 Tempers still high, though, as his younger brother, 593 00:38:23,261 --> 00:38:24,901 on crutches, had to be restrained too. 594 00:38:30,741 --> 00:38:34,061 I'm surprised at the sentence: 26 to life? 595 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:39,381 If I were Fatima I would think this was an inappropriate sentence. 596 00:38:39,541 --> 00:38:42,341 He should be put away for life, for good. 597 00:38:42,501 --> 00:38:44,061 He should never have the chance to get out. 598 00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:46,901 If he does get out, HER life is in danger. 599 00:38:49,581 --> 00:38:50,741 So I think she would be afraid. 600 00:38:50,901 --> 00:38:53,981 But I think the community would believe that justice 601 00:38:54,141 --> 00:38:57,821 HADN'T been served because he still has a shot at getting out. 602 00:38:57,981 --> 00:38:59,501 And he shouldn't have that. 603 00:39:08,061 --> 00:39:10,821 People that stage these things, 604 00:39:10,981 --> 00:39:13,501 it's terribly manipulative, and honestly, 605 00:39:13,661 --> 00:39:18,821 using the tension in that community 606 00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:22,301 to shield yourself 607 00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:25,181 from a murder that you committed, 608 00:39:25,341 --> 00:39:27,821 I mean, it's very creative, 609 00:39:27,981 --> 00:39:30,541 but it's a special kind of evil. 610 00:39:35,061 --> 00:39:36,821 Trust me, even as a defence attorney, 611 00:39:36,981 --> 00:39:39,301 I don't like bad people. 612 00:39:43,501 --> 00:39:47,301 In a community like the one in El Cajon where, you know, 613 00:39:47,461 --> 00:39:50,021 the majority of the community is Middle Eastern, 614 00:39:50,181 --> 00:39:53,221 something like a hate crime is a very intense, serious thing. 615 00:39:53,381 --> 00:39:55,101 It's not something to be taken lightly. 616 00:39:55,261 --> 00:40:00,581 And it sets a level of fear that is unlike a regular crime. 617 00:40:02,381 --> 00:40:05,781 And this community was rattled by this. 618 00:40:07,781 --> 00:40:09,701 It instilled so much fear in them 619 00:40:09,861 --> 00:40:13,101 that even after Kassim was sentenced, 620 00:40:13,261 --> 00:40:15,381 they still carried that fear with them, 621 00:40:15,541 --> 00:40:19,141 and it reverberated for years after. 622 00:40:21,821 --> 00:40:24,101 And now Fatima and her two brothers 623 00:40:24,261 --> 00:40:26,861 have to grow up without either parent. You know, 624 00:40:27,021 --> 00:40:31,101 one of them killed and the other one serving essentially life in prison, 625 00:40:31,261 --> 00:40:33,421 over a senseless crime... 626 00:40:33,581 --> 00:40:35,541 that should have never happened. 627 00:40:37,581 --> 00:40:40,941 And Fatima, the one who had to come downstairs 628 00:40:41,101 --> 00:40:43,581 and find her mother bleeding, 629 00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:45,461 you know, dying on the floor, 630 00:40:45,621 --> 00:40:48,701 that's something that she will have to cope with 631 00:40:48,861 --> 00:40:50,581 and carry for the rest of her life. That's a trauma 632 00:40:50,741 --> 00:40:53,381 that she'll never be able to get rid of, 633 00:40:53,541 --> 00:40:55,221 and that's a horrible thing. 634 00:40:57,701 --> 00:41:01,541 I think it's clear this wasn't just a reactive crime. 635 00:41:01,701 --> 00:41:03,541 He had planned it. 636 00:41:03,701 --> 00:41:06,501 The note showed up a few weeks before. 637 00:41:06,661 --> 00:41:10,221 He had staged it in a way that riled up the community. 638 00:41:12,181 --> 00:41:15,701 He did a bad job, but he still had premeditation. 639 00:41:15,861 --> 00:41:18,941 And it wasn't a heat-of-the-moment kind of murder. 640 00:41:20,781 --> 00:41:23,141 And that's why I'm surprised at the sentence. 641 00:41:27,061 --> 00:41:31,101 The unbelievably deep harm 642 00:41:31,261 --> 00:41:34,061 that it has caused to so many people. 643 00:41:38,021 --> 00:41:40,901 I think anyone that stages a crime 644 00:41:41,061 --> 00:41:44,661 to create public outcry 645 00:41:44,821 --> 00:41:48,421 or foment discord 646 00:41:48,581 --> 00:41:51,421 deserves a special place, 647 00:41:51,581 --> 00:41:56,141 because it certainly harms... 648 00:41:56,301 --> 00:41:59,461 I would even use the word "traumatises", 649 00:41:59,621 --> 00:42:02,661 a huge number of people. 650 00:42:07,741 --> 00:42:09,861 You can barely imagine what it must be like 651 00:42:10,021 --> 00:42:14,981 for those children to see their father, who they love and trusted, 652 00:42:15,141 --> 00:42:18,341 who they believed was fighting to find their mother's killer, 653 00:42:18,501 --> 00:42:20,941 was actually the one who was behind it all along. 654 00:42:55,581 --> 00:42:57,981 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 53578

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