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A 911 call comes in
from a man named Victor Cabrera.
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He had had to dial
the 911 call with his tongue
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because his hands are bound,
and there's a rope around his neck.
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Cabrera then told police
his wife was kidnapped.
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When something like this happened,
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with someone being tied up,
someone being kidnapped,
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it was a pretty big shock
to the whole community.
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Crimes like this
don't just happen.
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They're not finding any evidence of
someone who has seen an abduction.
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There's no follow-up ransom.
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He told police it took two
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to plan and carry out the murder.
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She was found the next day,
strangled to death in her truck.
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We're not dealing with an
abduction anymore.
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We're dealing with a murder.
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Where did you find the car?
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What happened to her?
How could this have happened?
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The minute Victor got home,
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he packed his belongings,
and he disappeared.
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It's bad enough looking for a
fugitive in one single country.
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But he could literally be
anywhere in the world.
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We have a dead body in a car,
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and we have the inconsistencies
in his statement.
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Does that fit with what
we found at the crime scene?
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Does that fit with his injuries?
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Does it
fit with the pathological evidence?
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The best way to think of a crime
is almost like a puzzle, right?
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You start off with a couple pieces
that don't give you
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the full picture, but the more
information you start getting,
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the picture becomes clearer,
and then you start seeing,
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"OK, this is what happened."
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The first thing in a staged scene
that we're looking for is,
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what would be the motive
to stage the scene?
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We're looking for consistencies
and inconsistencies.
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That brings more suspicion on.
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It is not what happened.
There's something else that's there.
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Marina, which is very close
to Monterey, is very beautiful.
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It's really close to the beach.
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There's a lot of beautiful homes,
lots of nice shops
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and places to go. People seem
to live very calm, quiet lives.
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Not a lot of crime goes on there.
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Monterey County in general
is a safe county.
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It doesn't mean
that crime does not occur.
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I think any place can have crime.
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But I think law enforcement
does a tremendous job
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in trying to keep it safe.
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Roshni Singh was a single mother.
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She had a seven-year-old son.
And she lived in Marina.
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And she seemed to have created
a nice life for herself.
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She had some funds
that she had saved.
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She was someone who was,
you know, beloved in the area.
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She had a warm,
bright presence and personality
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and was very well-liked
by everybody.
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Victor worked at an auto body shop
nearby called Village Motor Works.
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And it was a place
that he had worked for a while.
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And he was hoping one
day to become the owner.
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From the outside,
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Roshni and Victor seemed like they
had a really strong bond,
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that they were a strong couple.
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They had been together for quite
some time.
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They seemed to have good chemistry,
were happy together.
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You know,
they had just gone on a trip
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to visit Roshni's sister in Fiji.
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So things seem to be going well
between the two of them.
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Roshni's sister did have SOME red
flags when it came to Victor.
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She thought that he was
a bit of a smooth talker,
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that maybe
he was a bit of a Don Juan.
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But other than that,
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she didn't see anything about him
that would give her pause
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or that would ever indicate
that he could do something violent.
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I was a patrol officer in 2008,
in September.
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That's when Victor
called 911 from a gas station.
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Victor Cabrera claimed two men
had come into where he was.
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He wasn't really sure what
these men intended,
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if they were going
to really harm him.
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He was tied up.
He thought that was a robbery,
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and he assumed that they had
abducted his girlfriend,
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who had been waiting outside
in the car.
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And Victor claimed that he had had
to dial the 911 call with his tongue
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because he was so tightly bound.
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The first thing we would look for
is evidence of a robbery,
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because that's the complaint.
So is there any forced entry?
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Is there any money missing
or anything like that?
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That would be our first thing
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that everybody wants to concentrate
on because that's normal.
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The timing of the robbery
was very odd.
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The ropes weren't
knotted around his hands,
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and they didn't bind his feet.
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When the police come, they find
that there's a rope around his neck,
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and it is pretty tight,
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but his feet were free,
and he could have just walked out.
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Police will initially
have a hard time figuring out
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what is really going on here.
And where is this young woman?
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And has something terrible
happened to her, and if so, why?
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Why is this so elaborate?
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It seems as if someone else
has to be involved
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for him to be bound
in this particular manner.
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My question is,
is why was there an abduction?
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If there's a robbery,
there's no need for an abduction
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unless you're going to, you know,
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hold for ransom
or something like that.
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It's not completely one thing
or the other.
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You take these things as they are.
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You keep an open mind, and the
evidence starts to kind of build up
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and point you
in a particular direction.
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When you start to move
in that particular direction,
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the crucial thing is
is that you still keep an open mind,
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and you look for evidence that
supports that theory
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but also evidence
that might contradict that theory.
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The way that he was found
doesn't make sense.
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And his physical condition
after having been tied up.
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He didn't have any bruises, cuts.
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And I find it difficult
to imagine robbers
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who wanted to incapacitate someone
wouldn't have tied their feet.
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Now,
none of these things are definitive.
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They are simply things that cause or
raise a question in your mind,
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that make you think, "OK,
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I'm going to keep my mind open about
this and see where it takes me."
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The police would be
looking for his demeanour
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and whether he's worried
about this girlfriend.
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If she's dead and he knows it,
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he's not going to be frantic.
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He's not going to be
demanding that they find her.
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He's not going to be trying
to help with any kind of search.
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They would need to find
the girlfriend,
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find her because
she is in extreme danger,
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and we don't know where she is.
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That person's life is on the line.
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It really started off with
Victor Cabrera calling the police,
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saying that,
"Hey, I'm at this gas station,
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I work here.
I was just robbed.
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I was tied up, and my girlfriend,
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Roshni Singh, has been kidnapped."
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That was the initial information
that he relayed to police.
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And so police took Victor
to the Monterey Police Department.
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They had an interview with him
at the time.
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The police question him
for several hours,
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and his story is a long,
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winding story of how he and his
girlfriend have been driving around.
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She reminded him that they
were going to go
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to Berkeley the next day.
And then he realised
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he had left his wallet at work,
so he had to go get that.
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And she got into the backseat
of the car,
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because there were things
in the garage
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that made it difficult for her
to get into the passenger side.
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All of these excess details
were kind of needless
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and windy.
His story was all over the place.
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Though what the police
would want to do would be,
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particularly
if they were suspicious,
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would be to corroborate
that account.
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The obvious means
of corroborating that account
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would be to have him
medically examined.
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If someone is punched several times,
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there will usually be some injuries.
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The cops would have seen
he didn't have those injuries.
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Most importantly,
his feet were untied.
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So what robber's going
to tie you up
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and forget your feet?
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If you're going to rob somewhere,
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you want to be confident that
what you're after is there.
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So if they were after cash,
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most businesses
will bank cash in the evening.
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So it may be there is no cash there.
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Another fact that the police might
have been suspicious about was that,
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according to Cabrera,
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he never heard the car leaving.
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Now again, it's not definitive.
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It may well be he was
so fearful that he never noticed it,
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but he didn't hear the car leaving.
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He never heard his wife scream
or make any sounds.
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These again would start to kind
of build up the suspicions
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of the officers
that this was not actually a crime
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and had been staged.
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They're not finding any evidence
of someone
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who has seen an abduction.
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There's no follow-up ransom.
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Crimes like this don't just happen.
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So if you're not finding
any evidence
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that's consistent with the report,
you have to step back and think,
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"OK, something else is going on."
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When police are questioning
somebody to get information,
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they will be looking
at his behaviour.
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When is it inconsistent?
For example,
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if he tends to talk with his hands,
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but all of a sudden
they're down and stable,
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or he gives certain types
of gestures,
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or he goes vague at certain points
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when he's been
highly detailed before.
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So they're looking
for inconsistencies in his manner
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and his narrative
and holes in the story.
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One of the things that he told
police at the time
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was that he called 911
using his tongue,
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and it took him
about 45 minutes to do that.
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So that was already kind of,
"This is kind of interesting."
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As police are interviewing Cabrera
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and he's telling this long,
detailed story,
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they believe he's
involved in something,
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but they don't really
know exactly what.
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They don't have the missing car.
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They don't know
where his girlfriend is,
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and they really can't arrest him
for anything.
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They were suspicious
from the start,
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but they just didn't have enough
information to hold him.
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So they had to let him go.
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But they want to keep an eye
on him,
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and they'd actually like him
to take a polygraph.
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He allows them to search his house
because if he says no,
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that looks like he's got something
to hide.
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Once they do search,
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they find that her phone is there
and not with her.
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The minute Victor got home,
which was actually in Marina,
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my understanding is
he packed his belongings.
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He was able to get a third party to
drive him down
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to the border of Mexico,
and he disappeared.
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So that tells me
he wasn't free and clear at all.
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He was a suspect at that point.
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When police realise Cabrera has
jumped the fence and left,
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they know that he pretended he was
going to come for the polygraph
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in order to delay them
and to put them off their guard.
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He had such a lead on them
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that he was able to get
into another country.
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That same day,
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they received a call from someone
who noticed a car that was parked
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about a block away from the garage.
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They ended up finding
Roshni Singh in a vehicle, her body,
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in an apartment complex,
also in Monterey.
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And that's when they realised
she had been strangled,
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and it was a homicide investigation
at that point in time.
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Because police would have
expected to be able to tell him,
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to convey information,
"We did find the car,
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and we found your girlfriend.
Unfortunately, she's dead."
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And they would have expected him
to be wanting to know everything.
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"Where did you find the car?
What happened to her?
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How could this have happened?"
Instead, he's fled.
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So his behaviour suggests he's part
of this. He's guilty of something.
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Once the vehicle is found
and her body is inside,
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we're not dealing with
an abduction anymore.
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Now we're dealing with a murder.
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When police go back
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and start knocking on the door
of the parents' house
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to look for him,
kind of clarify what's going on,
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and now the parents
are uncooperative.
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Again, to me,
that's another red flag,
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because, why would
the parents be uncooperative?
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Why would he not be there?
There's something else going on.
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One of the breakthroughs in the
case is when the body is found
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because by Cabrera's account,
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his wife was abducted
in the early hours of the morning.
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As soon as the body is found, there
will be a post mortem examination,
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and that would reveal quite quickly
that Roshni has been dead longer
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than Cabrera
has indicated in his account.
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So that makes it
immediately suspicious.
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Now, to determine time of death from
a body in the first 40 hours or so
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is comparatively straightforward
and reasonably accurate.
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A pathologist would have taken
the body temperature.
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They would have looked at
a thing called lividity,
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which is how the blood pools
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by gravity to the lower parts
of the body.
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And they would have
assessed rigor mortis.
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Rigor mortis comes on slowly,
builds up
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and then disappears
after two or three days.
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So within that time,
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a forensic pathologist
can be reasonably accurate
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about the time of death.
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And in this instance,
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the pathologist came to the
conclusion that Roshni was dead
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at the time when Cabrera described
she was abducted by the robbers.
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In this particular case,
we have Victor,
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who was remaining at the shop.
He remained at the shop,
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but the car was still removed.
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That means there's somebody else
that's involved
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that we haven't known about yet.
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Very clearly,
we have Victor as the number one,
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but who's his co-defendant?
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Who helped him out?
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That becomes the problem now.
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Once he's fled the scene
and the police are after him,
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it is of the utmost importance
to find him.
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Because if he gets too far away,
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it can become increasingly difficult
to zero in on him.
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Now, the case against him
has become much more serious...
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because now we have a dead
body in a car,
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and that murder and kidnapping
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could land him in jail
for the rest of his life.
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One of the things that's most
important in all of these cases
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is what we call a victimology.
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A victimology is a detailed
study of the victim...
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...what was going on in their life at
the time, their overall background.
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That's how we determine,
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how in the world could this person
become a victim of a crime?
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When they do the victimology
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and they discovered this insurance
policy
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that Victor would have collected on,
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they have established their motive.
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A monetary motive
is one of the most universal.
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We find this all the time. So now we
have to go and find Victor,
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because now
he's really the prime suspect.
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It's bad enough looking for a
fugitive in one single country,
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but he could literally be anywhere
in the world.
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Victor went to Mexico,
probably believing he's untouchable,
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but always looking over his shoulder
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because he knows that at any time
he could be arrested.
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The police now don't have
Victor in custody.
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They don't know where he's gone.
He's fled.
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He's probably gone to Mexico because
he does have relatives there.
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When police spoke to witnesses
and people who knew Roshni,
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they learned that there
had been money trouble.
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There have been arguments. There was
some real problems between them,
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which added to the idea
that he was involved
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in something that happened to her.
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One of the things in all crimes,
there's always a motive.
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It's like, who could possibly
benefit from this event?
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In this case,
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they found that he took out an
insurance policy against her...
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...and obviously was the beneficiary
if she died.
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Police suspected there was
an accomplice
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because of the way Cabrera
had been tied up.
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And so they look through
his cell phone data
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and find messages to a man
named Francisco.
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And they believe that he is
the accomplice,
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and they want to bring him in
because accomplices
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are typically the weak link.
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And under pressure, they might give
information that will help.
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It is the case of Agaton-Hernandez,
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one of two people
accused of killing Roshni Singh.
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Hernandez is considered
the accomplice,
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but still, he's on trial for murder.
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They have the accomplice.
They brought him in, Francisco.
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They're now going
to be looking for,
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what's in it for the accomplice?
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Why would they participate
in a murder and a staged robbery?
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When you commit a crime
with another person
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or assist another person,
you can be liable for murder,
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even if the other person
does the murder.
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So this becomes
a big bargaining chip
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because murder for financial gain
is a special-circumstances crime,
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and that can elevate a homicide
to a capital murder
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where the death penalty
could be imposed.
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Or in this case,
life without parole is mandatory.
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When Francisco is arrested
and comes into the picture,
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there's not more powerful evidence
against him,
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but he's got more explaining
to do
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because he is seen next
to the car where the body is found.
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If he doesn't live near there,
why was he there?
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The police will be very curious
about that.
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They will also want his explanation
about all this,
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and they will be
testing his explanation
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against Cabrera's explanation.
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And generally speaking,
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these two accounts
will not mesh together.
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There will be areas that will
provide the police with leverage,
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and of course, the ultimate
leverage that they can use,
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particularly in the United States,
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is that they can say, "Well,
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if you come clean about this,
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you will get a better break
than your accomplice."
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And they will pit the two accused
people against each other.
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Sometimes they do not need
to put them against each other.
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They actually
choose to go against each other.
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And there are counter accusations.
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Counter accusations like this
will kind of break the case
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completely wide open, enable
the police to gather more evidence
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that establish
that it's actually a homicide
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that was planned by
these two people,
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rather than an abduction
by these mysterious robbers.
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When you go to the second suspect
and they starts giving information,
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the most important thing
is is we always want to ask
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this co-conspirator something that
only a co-conspirator would know,
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because that's the one
that tells us this is our guy.
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The autopsy report
had come in to show
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that Roshni had been
murdered around midnight,
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not during the time of the robbery.
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So they can use that
to pressure Francisco
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to confess up to the fact that he
was part of this plan
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and that Cabrera
had wanted to kill Roshni
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in order to get the insurance payout
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and then stage the robbery
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and kidnapping so that neither
of them would be implicated in it.
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You have to be thinking
about Roshni in a very detached
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and indifferent way.
She's just a pawn in their game,
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and to them,
the payout is worth,
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you know,
whatever risk they're taking.
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She is a nobody to them.
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She just the way
they can enrich themselves.
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Agaton was originally
arrested for accessory,
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but then prosecutors changed it
to murder
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and conspiracy to commit murder.
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The defence says
the charges don't add up.
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I suspect that prosecutors needed
a little bit more evidence,
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something more direct, and I'm quite
sure that they gave him a deal
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in exchange for his testimony.
That's often how it happens.
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A guilty verdict today in the murder
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of a Marina mother
nearly three years ago.
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Francisco Agaton-Hernandez
is one of two people
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accused of killing Roshni Singh.
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Today, a judge found him guilty.
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Francisco is found guilty of being
an accomplice to murder and fraud,
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and he gets a life sentence.
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00:24:37,621 --> 00:24:39,621
But they still don't have Victor.
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There is no question anymore that
Victor is the one behind this,
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and Victor is still gone.
Victor is nowhere to be found.
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And so for the family,
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they need the police to find him
as quickly as possible.
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He does have to face what he did.
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For the family of Roshni Singh,
they know who did this.
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There's been one trial for the
accomplice. It's a done deal.
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He's been found guilty.
He's talked about the plan,
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but they don't have the perpetrator.
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He's free. He's somewhere in Mexico,
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and they may never get justice.
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When somebody
is on the run like this, oftentimes,
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once they get far enough away,
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more and more people
have to be involved.
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Once the logistics get more
and more complicated,
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the harder it is to find them.
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And so as this is snowballing
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and they're looking and they're
getting more people involved,
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it almost seems like it's getting
harder and harder.
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Victor is still missing,
and the case goes cold.
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Normally in cold cases,
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you have a victim
with an unknown suspect.
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This is an unusual situation because
they know who the suspect is,
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but they just can't find him.
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It will take a really intrepid
detective to track down Cabrera.
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It really requires a detective
who sticks with it
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and really follows each small lead.
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00:26:30,061 --> 00:26:33,301
One of the things that detectives
have is that it becomes
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"This is my case." We say
we have ownership of this case.
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"So I'm going to follow
it no matter where it goes
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for as long as I'm working."
As a matter of fact,
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we have had detectives that had
retired still come back to make sure
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somebody is working that case
that they were working on.
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They know who did it.
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They just don't know how to get him
back and where he is.
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California is a death penalty state.
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So if he's fled to Mexico,
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Mexico would have some restrictions
on sending him back.
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As years pass,
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Victor has the opportunity to
totally transform his life,
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maybe change the way he looks,
get a totally different identity.
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So many things he could be doing
throughout that time,
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and simultaneously, Roshni's family,
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you know, are losing hope.
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As time goes by,
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they realise
they may never find him.
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If someone doesn't wanna be found,
that's really difficult these days.
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With cameras everywhere and social
media and digital forensics,
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00:27:50,061 --> 00:27:51,301
it can be very difficult.
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In 2015, I said, "Hey,
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we have this old case here.
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00:28:09,741 --> 00:28:13,461
Victor Cabrera has been
on the run since 2008."
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And so when I started formulating
a plan of, OK, well,
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how can I apprehend this person?
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And we didn't have any good intel,
or I should say information,
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that let me know where
Victor was in Mexico.
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It's why working in a team works
so well,
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00:28:34,541 --> 00:28:36,781
is because when you have a variety
of people looking at it
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with different skills
and backgrounds,
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00:28:38,861 --> 00:28:40,381
sometimes people come
up with some ideas.
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00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:44,341
With a person on the run,
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00:28:44,501 --> 00:28:46,661
the longer they are gone
makes it more
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and more difficult for them
to be found.
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They could change appearances
drastically.
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00:28:53,821 --> 00:28:58,221
As more time goes by,
witnesses may move or pass away.
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Evidence may go missing...
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...and memories can fade.
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00:29:04,341 --> 00:29:07,781
You're getting further
and further away from your suspect.
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Obviously, the biggest part is,
where is he?
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Because if I don't know where he is,
then nothing else really matters.
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He's going to be keeping
tabs on the news.
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00:29:19,901 --> 00:29:23,021
He's going to be keeping tabs
on the investigation.
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00:29:23,181 --> 00:29:27,941
He is going to find out
what police have done so far
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00:29:28,101 --> 00:29:31,221
through social media,
through news outlets.
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00:29:31,381 --> 00:29:37,101
Then he's going to realise
he is actively being sought after,
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which will cause him
to go deeper underground.
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00:29:43,581 --> 00:29:46,221
We also kind of had to figure out,
who does he know down there?
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Who does the family know in Mexico?
478
00:29:48,061 --> 00:29:51,061
That could give us potential
areas of where he could be.
479
00:29:54,381 --> 00:29:57,741
Someone who's staying on the run
is going to meet other people
480
00:29:57,901 --> 00:30:01,221
and especially if he decides he's
going to start over again
481
00:30:01,381 --> 00:30:04,381
and get a job and get into
relationships
482
00:30:04,541 --> 00:30:06,381
and, you know,
maybe even have a family.
483
00:30:06,541 --> 00:30:09,381
All of those people
are potential weak links.
484
00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:13,021
Especially if he's hidden
what he has done
485
00:30:13,181 --> 00:30:15,101
and the fact
that he's a wanted person.
486
00:30:15,261 --> 00:30:17,541
They may just post his picture.
487
00:30:17,701 --> 00:30:20,141
They may talk about him, you know,
488
00:30:20,301 --> 00:30:23,501
without really realising they're
giving something to police
489
00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:26,301
to track him down.
490
00:30:26,461 --> 00:30:29,021
So each time he makes a connection
with people
491
00:30:29,181 --> 00:30:32,221
or has a record of something,
like a job,
492
00:30:32,381 --> 00:30:35,261
he's leaving himself open
to being found.
493
00:30:38,661 --> 00:30:40,461
Roshni's family
have to live with the idea
494
00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:44,061
that he might be getting
to have a great time,
495
00:30:44,221 --> 00:30:45,621
getting to start a new relationship,
496
00:30:45,781 --> 00:30:48,701
perhaps even inflict more pain
on another woman.
497
00:30:48,861 --> 00:30:51,221
And just the idea that he's able
to do that
498
00:30:51,381 --> 00:30:53,101
is something that plagues them.
499
00:30:55,901 --> 00:30:59,061
Something too to understand
is the way Mexico works.
500
00:30:59,221 --> 00:31:01,981
It's a lot different
than the United States.
501
00:31:02,141 --> 00:31:05,821
Some people can be bribed and be
given money, and so they can
502
00:31:05,981 --> 00:31:08,381
just walk out of police stations
and so forth if you have some money.
503
00:31:12,421 --> 00:31:14,621
We figured out there was kind of a
general area where
504
00:31:14,781 --> 00:31:17,101
he could potentially be...
505
00:31:18,061 --> 00:31:20,501
...one of the big cities,
Guadalajara.
506
00:31:23,421 --> 00:31:26,381
We knew that his brother
had some dealings down there.
507
00:31:27,781 --> 00:31:31,861
We started our liaison with some
of the units down there.
508
00:31:32,021 --> 00:31:37,101
Through that, we got another lead
that we were able to then figure out
509
00:31:37,261 --> 00:31:39,621
who Victor's girlfriend was.
510
00:31:39,781 --> 00:31:44,141
I was like, "OK, well, I'm not
going to look for Victor anymore.
511
00:31:44,301 --> 00:31:46,141
I'm gonna start looking
for this girlfriend,"
512
00:31:46,301 --> 00:31:48,061
cos in my mind, I was like,
513
00:31:48,221 --> 00:31:51,381
girlfriend is going to be a
little bit more open about her life,
514
00:31:51,541 --> 00:31:54,261
and I figure her communication
footprint is gonna be much larger
515
00:31:54,421 --> 00:31:56,101
than Victor's would be.
516
00:31:58,461 --> 00:32:01,101
And through her footprint,
517
00:32:01,261 --> 00:32:03,581
we then got information
that she worked at a factory
518
00:32:03,741 --> 00:32:05,741
right outside of Guadalajara.
519
00:32:06,941 --> 00:32:10,741
And so we were able to get
some eyes on this factory.
520
00:32:12,101 --> 00:32:14,941
And so the first problem
we had is this factory was huge.
521
00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:18,741
It was, like,
a 10,000 employee type of place.
522
00:32:18,901 --> 00:32:21,501
And so we're like, "Oh, gosh, how
are we going to find this person?
523
00:32:21,661 --> 00:32:23,661
It's like a needle in a haystack."
524
00:32:24,541 --> 00:32:28,861
So one thing we kind of lucked out
on is Victor was driving a vehicle
525
00:32:29,021 --> 00:32:31,541
from Michoacan,
so he had different plates.
526
00:32:31,701 --> 00:32:33,941
And so we did
some more surveillance,
527
00:32:34,101 --> 00:32:37,301
ended up seeing a vehicle with
Michoacan plates in that location.
528
00:32:37,461 --> 00:32:39,941
And that's when we were able to,
you know, first got our first eyes
529
00:32:40,101 --> 00:32:42,261
on Victor Cabrera in the vehicle.
530
00:32:45,941 --> 00:32:47,621
And so we knew he would come
531
00:32:47,781 --> 00:32:50,301
and go pick up his girlfriend
from work every day.
532
00:32:50,461 --> 00:32:54,581
And so we flew down to Guadalajara.
533
00:32:59,261 --> 00:33:02,941
After ten years have gone by
since Victor committed this crime,
534
00:33:03,101 --> 00:33:04,781
he was probably under the impression
535
00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:07,541
that he was gonna get away with
this. It was all going to be fine.
536
00:33:07,701 --> 00:33:09,461
He had started a new life.
537
00:33:11,421 --> 00:33:13,181
They weren't going to find him.
538
00:33:22,141 --> 00:33:23,981
The day of the actual arrest,
539
00:33:24,141 --> 00:33:25,941
Victor Cabrera was driving,
540
00:33:26,101 --> 00:33:28,941
and all the windows were blacked out
from what I recall.
541
00:33:31,701 --> 00:33:33,621
And so we're sitting in
this big high rise,
542
00:33:33,781 --> 00:33:35,981
and I'm excited because I'm like,
"Hey, we're going to do this.
543
00:33:36,141 --> 00:33:38,301
We're going to get
Victor in custody."
544
00:33:39,461 --> 00:33:43,421
Remember we saw the car.
He's headed towards the factory,
545
00:33:46,301 --> 00:33:48,301
And they pulled him over,
546
00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:51,581
and I was actually able to see him
getting taken into custody.
547
00:33:55,341 --> 00:33:57,501
While he was taken into custody,
Victor, the whole time,
548
00:33:57,661 --> 00:34:00,061
denied it was him. He was like,
"You have the wrong person.
549
00:34:00,221 --> 00:34:03,941
My name is not Victor. I am not
the person you're looking for."
550
00:34:06,381 --> 00:34:09,421
We were able to look at all
of his documentation he had on him,
551
00:34:09,581 --> 00:34:13,221
and his driver's licence
and his Mexican identification card,
552
00:34:13,381 --> 00:34:16,381
and everything had actually
a new identity on it.
553
00:34:16,541 --> 00:34:18,261
So he had
very legitimate documentation
554
00:34:18,421 --> 00:34:20,941
that was not under his name.
555
00:34:23,861 --> 00:34:25,701
Once that occurred,
556
00:34:25,861 --> 00:34:30,061
he was transported to the
immigration building in Guadalajara.
557
00:34:30,221 --> 00:34:34,141
He still denied he was Victor.
Clearly was Victor Cabrera.
558
00:34:34,301 --> 00:34:36,101
And so we ended up showing him
a photograph
559
00:34:36,261 --> 00:34:39,781
of his California driver's licence.
And said, "Well, this is you."
560
00:34:39,941 --> 00:34:42,221
And eventually he gave in and said,
"Yeah, that is me.
561
00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:45,101
I am Victor Cabrera."
562
00:34:45,261 --> 00:34:47,101
{\an8}Mi nombre es Victor Cabrera.
563
00:34:47,261 --> 00:34:49,061
{\an8}Victor Cabrera was arrested Monday
564
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:51,781
{\an8}after federal agents found him
living on the run in Guadalajara,
565
00:34:51,941 --> 00:34:53,781
{\an8}Mexico.
566
00:34:56,381 --> 00:34:59,141
When Victor is finally found
and arrested,
567
00:34:59,301 --> 00:35:02,301
there is a sense that now
he can be brought back.
568
00:35:02,461 --> 00:35:05,901
Now there can be a trial or
some kind of plea deal,
569
00:35:06,061 --> 00:35:09,621
that justice can finally
be done on this case.
570
00:35:16,341 --> 00:35:18,421
Roshni's family finally
get that phone call
571
00:35:18,581 --> 00:35:22,021
they've always been waiting for.
The police have located Victor.
572
00:35:22,181 --> 00:35:24,381
They're extraditing him back
to the United States,
573
00:35:24,541 --> 00:35:26,221
and they're finally going to get
574
00:35:26,381 --> 00:35:28,301
that justice
they've been waiting for.
575
00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:39,861
And so we then
I met him at the airport,
576
00:35:40,021 --> 00:35:43,341
boarded a plane,
and we flew back to the US.
577
00:35:43,501 --> 00:35:47,581
So I actually got to spend about
five-plus hours with Mr Cabrera.
578
00:35:50,701 --> 00:35:52,501
It's a long ten years
579
00:35:52,661 --> 00:35:56,221
with a lot of time wondering
if this will ever happen.
580
00:35:56,381 --> 00:35:58,301
But finally, the case is done.
581
00:36:00,781 --> 00:36:03,701
So here in California,
the first thing that happens is
582
00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:05,581
he's brought in front of a judge,
583
00:36:05,741 --> 00:36:08,461
and he's asked what his plea is.
In this case, he pled not guilty.
584
00:36:11,021 --> 00:36:15,701
A not-guilty plea is not
uncommon in these types of cases
585
00:36:15,861 --> 00:36:20,581
because saying not guilty is "You
don't have the evidence against me."
586
00:36:20,741 --> 00:36:25,141
And during that time between his
not-guilty plea and his trial,
587
00:36:25,301 --> 00:36:28,021
his attorneys will have time
to build a case,
588
00:36:28,181 --> 00:36:30,901
build an investigation,
build a defence.
589
00:36:31,061 --> 00:36:33,941
So by the time he gets to trial,
590
00:36:34,101 --> 00:36:36,061
his attorneys
will be completely ready.
591
00:36:39,941 --> 00:36:41,621
Most cases that go to court,
592
00:36:41,781 --> 00:36:44,941
there is a package of evidence that,
direct or indirect,
593
00:36:45,101 --> 00:36:48,541
points
to the guilt of an individual.
594
00:36:48,701 --> 00:36:51,061
So they would be very careful
595
00:36:51,221 --> 00:36:55,701
about getting a precise
account from Cabrera.
596
00:36:55,861 --> 00:36:59,581
They would go over the story
many times
597
00:36:59,741 --> 00:37:04,301
to establish whether there was any
contradictions or inaccuracies
598
00:37:04,461 --> 00:37:07,781
or pull out detail
that he might have forgotten.
599
00:37:08,861 --> 00:37:11,661
Once they have that account,
600
00:37:11,821 --> 00:37:13,741
the question they have
in their mind is,
601
00:37:13,901 --> 00:37:16,941
"Well, does that fit
with the rest of the findings?
602
00:37:17,101 --> 00:37:19,821
Does that fit with what
we found at the crime scene?
603
00:37:19,981 --> 00:37:22,621
Does that fit with his injuries?
604
00:37:22,781 --> 00:37:25,301
Does it
fit with the pathological evidence?"
605
00:37:25,461 --> 00:37:28,221
And in this instance, it doesn't.
606
00:37:30,341 --> 00:37:35,901
And then
we went to trial in August of 2018.
607
00:37:39,021 --> 00:37:41,021
Victor's finally at trial,
608
00:37:41,181 --> 00:37:43,421
and he faces a 12-person jury,
609
00:37:43,581 --> 00:37:47,301
who's going to determine
whether he's guilty or not.
610
00:37:49,261 --> 00:37:51,141
In terms of the forensic
611
00:37:51,301 --> 00:37:53,741
or the more technical evidence
that's presented in court,
612
00:37:53,901 --> 00:37:57,661
the most powerful evidence
is from the highly experienced,
613
00:37:57,821 --> 00:37:59,741
credible forensic pathologist.
614
00:37:59,901 --> 00:38:04,021
So that is likely
to resonate strongly with the jury.
615
00:38:04,181 --> 00:38:07,341
The other areas around the rope
616
00:38:07,501 --> 00:38:11,381
and the lack of injuries to Cabrera.
617
00:38:11,541 --> 00:38:14,221
Now these are more subjective,
but it may well be
618
00:38:14,381 --> 00:38:18,261
that the pathologist would have got
involved in that as well
619
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:22,581
and commented that it's very unusual
for someone to be involved
620
00:38:22,741 --> 00:38:27,061
in a fight or to be assaulted
and have no injuries whatsoever.
621
00:38:29,661 --> 00:38:32,261
At the time, Victor
had a very good defence attorney
622
00:38:32,421 --> 00:38:35,061
named Larry Biegel. And really,
623
00:38:35,221 --> 00:38:37,341
in the system, you want the defence
attorney to do a good job
624
00:38:37,501 --> 00:38:40,101
because it keeps the system fair.
They brought their defence.
625
00:38:40,261 --> 00:38:42,821
We had our case to present.
626
00:38:42,981 --> 00:38:45,501
And so, I think we let the facts
speak for themselves.
627
00:38:47,861 --> 00:38:52,181
In this case,
the jury found him guilty of murder
628
00:38:52,341 --> 00:38:56,101
with the special circumstance
of murder for financial gain.
629
00:38:56,261 --> 00:39:01,021
And what that means is
he is not eligible for parole.
630
00:39:01,181 --> 00:39:03,901
Special circumstances can elevate
a murder case
631
00:39:04,061 --> 00:39:09,341
to a death penalty case or a case
of mandatory life without parole.
632
00:39:09,501 --> 00:39:12,181
And in this case,
that's what he got.
633
00:39:15,101 --> 00:39:18,421
Once there's a conviction,
there is great personal relief,
634
00:39:18,581 --> 00:39:22,421
a lot of personal satisfaction,
because you've worked nights,
635
00:39:22,581 --> 00:39:24,461
you've discounted your own family,
636
00:39:24,621 --> 00:39:27,261
you've done things above and beyond
637
00:39:27,421 --> 00:39:30,021
sometimes what's necessary
in order to bring this forward.
638
00:39:33,181 --> 00:39:35,501
At the end of the day,
it's, you know,
639
00:39:35,661 --> 00:39:38,941
what evidence was presented
that found him guilty?
640
00:39:39,781 --> 00:39:42,061
I think it's the totality of it.
641
00:39:43,461 --> 00:39:45,301
Lots of little pieces
that come together.
642
00:39:46,581 --> 00:39:50,181
He's dialling a phone with his
tongue for 45 minutes
643
00:39:50,341 --> 00:39:52,461
where he's barely tied up.
Does that make sense?
644
00:39:52,621 --> 00:39:54,061
Right? It doesn't make sense.
645
00:39:55,421 --> 00:39:57,581
Also, then
locating the crime scene in Marina.
646
00:39:57,741 --> 00:40:00,101
I mean, that's kind of a big clue,
647
00:40:00,261 --> 00:40:03,141
is if the crime scene
is not at this gas station
648
00:40:03,301 --> 00:40:05,061
or in this vehicle,
649
00:40:05,221 --> 00:40:07,621
that, really, the murder happened
in a whole nother location.
650
00:40:09,501 --> 00:40:11,821
And it happens to be
the house where he's living.
651
00:40:14,341 --> 00:40:18,821
It is as if Victor is overlooking
the fact
652
00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:22,301
that the person he murdered
was a human being,
653
00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,101
and he just saw dollar signs.
654
00:40:30,501 --> 00:40:32,061
For me,
it's just something where it's,
655
00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:33,501
try to feel good for the family.
656
00:40:33,661 --> 00:40:36,581
I hope they feel that they get
some type of closure.
657
00:40:36,741 --> 00:40:39,741
I'm not sure if you can ever
get any type of full closure.
658
00:40:41,781 --> 00:40:44,621
But at least he's not
still running around and free.
659
00:40:44,781 --> 00:40:47,301
That he's paying for what he did.
660
00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:53,101
This is probably
Victor's first murder.
661
00:40:53,261 --> 00:40:55,621
It's probably his first robbery,
662
00:40:55,781 --> 00:40:57,581
but it's not ours, the cops.
663
00:40:57,741 --> 00:41:00,021
We know what we're looking for,
664
00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:03,661
but they don't know because
they've never actually done it.
665
00:41:06,021 --> 00:41:09,301
He killed a mother.
He killed somebody's sister,
666
00:41:09,461 --> 00:41:12,261
somebody's daughter.
That's terrible.
667
00:41:12,421 --> 00:41:15,821
But these type of crimes,
it really affects a lot of people.
668
00:41:15,981 --> 00:41:18,621
Not only does it affect family,
669
00:41:18,781 --> 00:41:20,621
of course,
very much so, her son.
670
00:41:20,781 --> 00:41:24,141
but also now the Cabreras
at the same time too.
671
00:41:24,301 --> 00:41:25,941
They have to live with something
like that too.
672
00:41:28,461 --> 00:41:30,141
There was this added element
to the fact
673
00:41:30,301 --> 00:41:32,901
that Victor had tied himself up,
674
00:41:33,061 --> 00:41:36,581
had staged this whole entire thing
to look like an abduction of Roshni,
675
00:41:36,741 --> 00:41:39,581
and added a whole nother element
to this case
676
00:41:39,741 --> 00:41:41,861
of having planned
this whole entire thing
677
00:41:42,021 --> 00:41:45,941
and lost this beautiful life
over it.
678
00:41:49,021 --> 00:41:51,701
Was justice done? I believe so.
679
00:41:51,861 --> 00:41:54,021
Victor Cabrera, he's in prison.
680
00:41:54,181 --> 00:41:56,021
I don't think he can hurt
anybody again, hopefully.
681
00:41:57,541 --> 00:41:59,741
He's paying for his crime.
682
00:42:03,101 --> 00:42:06,301
Roshni was such a beloved
member of her community,
683
00:42:06,461 --> 00:42:08,741
family. So many people admired her,
684
00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:12,381
and especially her ability to take
care of her son as a single mom.
685
00:42:12,541 --> 00:42:17,981
And when it came out that Victor
had committed this crime for money,
686
00:42:18,141 --> 00:42:21,261
something as small and paltry
as $600,000,
687
00:42:21,421 --> 00:42:24,221
people just couldn't believe that
somebody was capable
688
00:42:24,381 --> 00:42:28,421
of doing something so awful
for something so insignificant.
689
00:43:02,581 --> 00:43:04,981
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