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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,661 --> 00:00:16,421 {\an8}Ryan's family was devastated knowing that he was missing. 2 00:00:16,581 --> 00:00:18,421 They started to get really worried. 3 00:00:21,541 --> 00:00:24,501 {\an8}They would have been frantic about where could he be? 4 00:00:24,661 --> 00:00:26,181 There had been no communication 5 00:00:26,341 --> 00:00:27,581 and now they're really afraid 6 00:00:27,741 --> 00:00:30,581 {\an8}that maybe something terrible has happened and he could be dead. 7 00:00:34,141 --> 00:00:35,941 We've never had this. 8 00:00:36,101 --> 00:00:38,101 {\an8}We're not seeing them in any of our sonars. 9 00:00:38,261 --> 00:00:41,101 {\an8}We're not seeing them in any of our dredges, or anything like that. 10 00:00:41,261 --> 00:00:42,541 It's... it's unusual. 11 00:00:43,941 --> 00:00:45,821 {\an8}Officials in Green Lake County 12 00:00:45,981 --> 00:00:47,941 are looking for a missing kayaker. 13 00:00:48,101 --> 00:00:51,301 {\an8}The Sherif's office said it would give more information 14 00:00:51,461 --> 00:00:53,381 as the investigation continues. 15 00:00:55,301 --> 00:00:59,581 {\an8}On the outside, all the public knows is that he's still missing, 16 00:00:59,741 --> 00:01:01,821 while, behind the scenes, 17 00:01:01,981 --> 00:01:05,141 {\an8}the police, they're going in a completely different direction. 18 00:01:06,821 --> 00:01:09,621 {\an8}Sometimes you are confronted with evidence 19 00:01:09,781 --> 00:01:11,861 {\an8}that requires you to kinda really step back 20 00:01:12,021 --> 00:01:14,541 {\an8}and you immediately then have to think 21 00:01:14,701 --> 00:01:17,181 {\an8}about what the other possible explanations are. 22 00:01:18,821 --> 00:01:20,981 {\an8}An accident is one of the top four themes 23 00:01:21,141 --> 00:01:23,141 used to stage a homicide. 24 00:01:24,181 --> 00:01:26,501 {\an8}Now, suddenly, it's becoming very clear. 25 00:01:26,661 --> 00:01:28,941 Everything is starting to add up. 26 00:01:31,421 --> 00:01:32,941 He had a goal. 27 00:01:33,101 --> 00:01:34,421 He had a mission 28 00:01:34,581 --> 00:01:36,181 and that supplied the energy needed 29 00:01:36,341 --> 00:01:38,061 to put this plan into place. 30 00:01:43,301 --> 00:01:45,581 {\an8}I think that the pain he caused is pretty irreversible, 31 00:01:45,741 --> 00:01:49,781 {\an8}the grief and horror that he put upon his entire family. 32 00:01:51,901 --> 00:01:53,781 They had no clue. 33 00:01:53,941 --> 00:01:55,621 They were hit with a bombshell 34 00:01:55,781 --> 00:01:59,141 that... God almighty! 35 00:01:59,301 --> 00:02:01,501 {\an8}...the weight of the world is on your shoulders, looking at that 36 00:02:01,661 --> 00:02:03,581 {\an8}and seeing what they must be going through. 37 00:02:30,981 --> 00:02:32,981 Ryan Borgwardt and his wife Emily 38 00:02:33,141 --> 00:02:34,981 lived in Watertown, Wisconsin, 39 00:02:35,141 --> 00:02:38,301 {\an8}which was really just a kind of classic all-American town. 40 00:02:38,461 --> 00:02:40,461 They lived there with their kids. 41 00:02:41,901 --> 00:02:45,541 {\an8}Everything about their life seemed like a kind of all-American family. 42 00:02:46,781 --> 00:02:48,221 Ryan and his wife Emily 43 00:02:48,381 --> 00:02:50,261 {\an8}had known each other since they were quite young. 44 00:02:50,421 --> 00:02:52,381 They had been married for 22 years 45 00:02:52,541 --> 00:02:55,821 {\an8}and, you know, seemingly, from the outside, had a very close bond. 46 00:02:57,941 --> 00:03:01,141 {\an8}Their family was particularly outdoorsy - especially Ryan. 47 00:03:01,301 --> 00:03:03,181 {\an8}He was definitely someone who was always out 48 00:03:03,341 --> 00:03:05,381 doing some type of outdoor activity. 49 00:03:05,541 --> 00:03:08,741 {\an8}Hiking, kayaking, canoeing - he was doing it all. 50 00:03:12,421 --> 00:03:15,861 {\an8}I've lived in Wisconsin since I was a young teenager 51 00:03:16,021 --> 00:03:18,101 and got into the dive business 52 00:03:18,261 --> 00:03:20,181 back in 1996. 53 00:03:22,181 --> 00:03:25,021 {\an8}It's a very beautiful area, beautiful lake. 54 00:03:25,181 --> 00:03:27,781 {\an8}The lake is just crystal-clean, you know. 55 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:29,501 Clear as can be, down there. 56 00:03:33,221 --> 00:03:35,941 {\an8}That's what Green Lake is known for... 57 00:03:36,101 --> 00:03:39,021 {\an8}and you have people coming for whether it's yachting, fishing... 58 00:03:39,181 --> 00:03:41,301 It's tourism in terms of that lake. 59 00:03:43,221 --> 00:03:44,941 {\an8}What is not known about the Green Lake area 60 00:03:45,101 --> 00:03:46,461 is that Green Lake itself 61 00:03:46,621 --> 00:03:49,421 {\an8}is the second-deepest lake in the entire state itself... 62 00:03:51,701 --> 00:03:54,581 {\an8}...and you quickly realise it's a very friendly society, 63 00:03:54,741 --> 00:03:56,461 very tight-knit communities, 64 00:03:56,621 --> 00:03:59,261 {\an8}people who typically care about each other. 65 00:04:10,781 --> 00:04:12,421 {\an8}One night, Ryan tells Emily 66 00:04:12,581 --> 00:04:14,621 {\an8}he's going to go kayaking that night. 67 00:04:14,781 --> 00:04:16,901 {\an8}He wants to catch the Northern Lights, 68 00:04:17,061 --> 00:04:18,701 so it will be late at night 69 00:04:18,861 --> 00:04:21,221 {\an8}and, you know, she says she won't wait up for him 70 00:04:21,381 --> 00:04:22,981 {\an8}and just goes to bed thinking, you know, 71 00:04:23,141 --> 00:04:26,141 {\an8}"This is just a normal thing that Ryan does on any given day." 72 00:04:29,141 --> 00:04:32,021 So then, that morning, Emily woke up 73 00:04:32,181 --> 00:04:33,741 and Ryan still hadn't come home, 74 00:04:33,901 --> 00:04:35,781 so she got pretty worried. 75 00:04:35,941 --> 00:04:37,621 She's calling him, texting him... 76 00:04:37,781 --> 00:04:42,701 {\an8}Nothing, so that's when she decides to finally report him missing. 77 00:04:55,181 --> 00:04:56,501 This was very unlike Ryan. 78 00:04:56,661 --> 00:04:58,341 He did all kinds of activities 79 00:04:58,501 --> 00:04:59,981 and, you know, it wasn't like him 80 00:05:00,141 --> 00:05:02,741 {\an8}to not let them know what was going on, to not come back home, 81 00:05:02,901 --> 00:05:06,261 {\an8}so the idea of him being missing like this, you know, 82 00:05:06,421 --> 00:05:08,421 {\an8}they were definitely thinking the worst. 83 00:05:15,701 --> 00:05:18,061 {\an8}Green Lake, where Ryan had been kayaking in, 84 00:05:18,221 --> 00:05:21,261 {\an8}was an especially lush and beautiful area, 85 00:05:21,421 --> 00:05:25,621 {\an8}a place that was really cherished and admired by the whole community. 86 00:05:30,981 --> 00:05:32,301 Law enforcement will get involved 87 00:05:32,461 --> 00:05:34,021 looking for the missing person 88 00:05:34,181 --> 00:05:35,701 as soon as he's reported missing, 89 00:05:35,861 --> 00:05:39,101 {\an8}investigating, talking to people that know the person. 90 00:05:42,581 --> 00:05:44,101 Green Lake County Sheriff's Office 91 00:05:44,261 --> 00:05:47,341 {\an8}reported around 8:30 this morning on social media 92 00:05:47,501 --> 00:05:51,741 {\an8}that it was searching for a kayaker on Big Green Lake. 93 00:05:55,341 --> 00:05:57,781 {\an8}There's not an assumption of foul play here. 94 00:05:58,821 --> 00:06:01,181 {\an8}The first priority is to find this person 95 00:06:01,341 --> 00:06:03,461 and, ideally, find them live, 96 00:06:03,621 --> 00:06:05,861 {\an8}so you want to find them as quickly as possible. 97 00:06:09,541 --> 00:06:11,581 {\an8}Typically, with missing person cases, 98 00:06:11,741 --> 00:06:14,701 the first hours are crucial 99 00:06:14,861 --> 00:06:16,581 when finding someone, 100 00:06:16,741 --> 00:06:18,781 {\an8}especially in ensuring that they're going to be alive. 101 00:06:18,941 --> 00:06:21,301 Typically, the mark is 72 hours, 102 00:06:21,461 --> 00:06:23,501 so after 72 hours have passed, 103 00:06:23,661 --> 00:06:27,181 {\an8}chances of finding someone alive are significantly lower. 104 00:06:29,221 --> 00:06:31,581 {\an8}His wife and kids, they would've been frantic 105 00:06:31,741 --> 00:06:34,301 {\an8}about where could he be? There had been no communication. 106 00:06:34,461 --> 00:06:36,141 They couldn't get him on the phone 107 00:06:36,301 --> 00:06:37,901 and now they're really afraid 108 00:06:38,061 --> 00:06:39,821 {\an8}that maybe something terrible has happened 109 00:06:39,981 --> 00:06:41,981 and he could be dead. 110 00:06:46,461 --> 00:06:49,181 {\an8}The first thing that confronts investigators 111 00:06:49,341 --> 00:06:52,621 {\an8}is, essentially, the size of the incident scene. 112 00:06:54,501 --> 00:06:56,461 A huge lake surrounded by trees, 113 00:06:56,621 --> 00:06:59,581 {\an8}a vast area to search that would take a very long time. 114 00:07:01,941 --> 00:07:03,901 {\an8}Normally, when we get out to these events, 115 00:07:04,061 --> 00:07:05,661 we're actually looking at things: 116 00:07:05,821 --> 00:07:07,461 we're looking at blood 117 00:07:07,621 --> 00:07:10,101 {\an8}and we're looking at forced entry, etc, so we have a scene to look at. 118 00:07:10,261 --> 00:07:12,861 {\an8}In this particular case, there was no scene to look at. 119 00:07:17,101 --> 00:07:20,101 {\an8}If he's in a kayak, he might have launched it from a jetty, 120 00:07:20,261 --> 00:07:22,461 {\an8}so if there's a jetty, they might go there first 121 00:07:22,621 --> 00:07:24,661 to see if there's anything there... 122 00:07:26,501 --> 00:07:28,381 {\an8}...where he might have parked his vehicle... 123 00:07:32,301 --> 00:07:34,701 {\an8}...but eventually, in this case, they were confronted by the fact 124 00:07:34,861 --> 00:07:37,741 {\an8}that they would have to search the whole lake. 125 00:08:05,301 --> 00:08:07,821 {\an8}The Sheriff's office is continuing to search the water 126 00:08:07,981 --> 00:08:11,741 {\an8}for a missing kayaker on Big Green Lake. 127 00:08:11,901 --> 00:08:13,261 Initially, the investigators 128 00:08:13,421 --> 00:08:16,381 {\an8}are going to be looking around the edges of the lake where he was, 129 00:08:16,541 --> 00:08:18,501 to see if maybe he's washed up 130 00:08:18,661 --> 00:08:21,661 {\an8}or he's found some kind of shelter somewhere 131 00:08:21,821 --> 00:08:24,661 {\an8}and just doesn't have a way to let anybody know. 132 00:08:25,781 --> 00:08:28,301 {\an8}They're going to see if they can find any witnesses. 133 00:08:30,181 --> 00:08:31,661 They want to know from the wife, 134 00:08:31,821 --> 00:08:34,101 {\an8}does he frequently go off by himself in a kayak? 135 00:08:34,261 --> 00:08:36,341 Is he a... experienced kayaker? 136 00:08:36,501 --> 00:08:38,901 {\an8}What were his plans? Was he going to camp out? 137 00:08:40,141 --> 00:08:41,701 Because kayaks turn over. 138 00:08:44,181 --> 00:08:47,501 {\an8}They end up finding his kayak and his phone 139 00:08:47,661 --> 00:08:49,501 and some of his belongings 140 00:08:49,661 --> 00:08:52,381 {\an8}and, you know, even though the police did track down these things, 141 00:08:52,541 --> 00:08:54,061 um, there's no body, 142 00:08:54,221 --> 00:08:58,381 {\an8}so the idea that Ryan had drowned and died in this lake 143 00:08:58,541 --> 00:09:00,981 {\an8}was just a really terrifying thought for the community. 144 00:09:07,341 --> 00:09:09,501 {\an8}The fact that they find these items 145 00:09:09,661 --> 00:09:13,541 {\an8}moves it from just a missing person's inquiry 146 00:09:13,701 --> 00:09:16,861 {\an8}into, "Was this an accidental drowning, 147 00:09:17,021 --> 00:09:20,941 {\an8}or was there some external forces involved?" 148 00:09:23,781 --> 00:09:26,141 {\an8}Maybe the kayak overturned, he hit his head 149 00:09:26,301 --> 00:09:27,581 and can't remember who he is. 150 00:09:27,741 --> 00:09:30,141 {\an8}So there'll be all kinds of scenarios that'll play out 151 00:09:30,301 --> 00:09:33,541 {\an8}and then try to follow up with an investigation. 152 00:09:43,261 --> 00:09:45,221 Once the news came out 153 00:09:45,381 --> 00:09:47,621 {\an8}within the community that Ryan was missing, 154 00:09:47,781 --> 00:09:49,461 everyone was on high alert, 155 00:09:49,621 --> 00:09:52,301 because the community was so close. 156 00:09:53,261 --> 00:09:56,901 {\an8}Everyone wanted to pitch in and help looking for him. 157 00:10:00,181 --> 00:10:02,381 {\an8}The last location that his phone had been in, 158 00:10:02,541 --> 00:10:06,061 {\an8}because his phone had tracking software on it, 159 00:10:06,221 --> 00:10:07,581 was right in the middle of the lake 160 00:10:07,741 --> 00:10:10,981 {\an8}and that was the last-known location he was seen in, 161 00:10:11,861 --> 00:10:15,421 {\an8}so that was particularly frightening to his family. 162 00:10:16,861 --> 00:10:19,781 {\an8}The police make a decision to bring in specialists 163 00:10:19,941 --> 00:10:22,021 {\an8}who have the right equipment to do this. 164 00:10:24,621 --> 00:10:26,741 {\an8}Most police agencies, they have limited resources. 165 00:10:26,901 --> 00:10:29,861 {\an8}I mean, they can't send the entire department out to look. 166 00:10:30,021 --> 00:10:33,501 {\an8}They have to rely on volunteer groups that are out there 167 00:10:33,661 --> 00:10:36,061 that do this on a routine basis. 168 00:10:37,621 --> 00:10:40,741 {\an8}If he has gone over and he's drowned 169 00:10:40,901 --> 00:10:42,061 and the body's down there, 170 00:10:42,221 --> 00:10:45,141 {\an8}they need to be able to handle the body in a particular way, 171 00:10:45,301 --> 00:10:48,421 {\an8}cos bodies in water, when they're brought to the surface 172 00:10:48,581 --> 00:10:50,061 can start to change, 173 00:10:50,221 --> 00:10:53,381 {\an8}and so they absolutely need specialists 174 00:10:53,541 --> 00:10:55,261 in underwater search and rescue. 175 00:11:00,341 --> 00:11:03,301 {\an8}So the police decide to bring in Bruce's Legacy, 176 00:11:03,461 --> 00:11:07,341 {\an8}which is a nonprofit organisation that, you know, 177 00:11:07,501 --> 00:11:10,781 {\an8}specialises in helping locate missing people. 178 00:11:18,781 --> 00:11:21,301 {\an8}My brother Bruce was on the Fire Department 179 00:11:21,461 --> 00:11:25,141 as a firefighter EMT volunteer 180 00:11:25,301 --> 00:11:27,821 and, in August of 1995, 181 00:11:27,981 --> 00:11:30,981 they got a pay job for a drowning 182 00:11:31,141 --> 00:11:32,661 and it was a missing canoer. 183 00:11:32,821 --> 00:11:34,301 So when they got there, 184 00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:37,541 {\an8}they were gonna work upstream in the creek. 185 00:11:39,021 --> 00:11:40,581 They're just walking up 186 00:11:40,741 --> 00:11:42,741 {\an8}and feeling around the trees and stumps with their feet 187 00:11:42,901 --> 00:11:44,901 to see if they could find the guy. 188 00:11:46,701 --> 00:11:48,981 {\an8}What happened was, they got deep enough, 189 00:11:49,141 --> 00:11:52,541 {\an8}so now they lost their footing, all three of them, 190 00:11:52,701 --> 00:11:55,101 {\an8}and the water hydraulics sucked them upstream. 191 00:11:57,981 --> 00:11:59,381 The current would release one. 192 00:11:59,541 --> 00:12:02,101 {\an8}The firefighters grabbed them and started CPR on them 193 00:12:02,261 --> 00:12:05,221 and... yeah, that was my brother. 194 00:12:13,061 --> 00:12:15,461 {\an8}It was the next morning that the family 195 00:12:15,621 --> 00:12:17,021 had to make that decision 196 00:12:17,181 --> 00:12:19,741 to pull him off life support. 197 00:12:19,901 --> 00:12:22,301 {\an8}They tested him and he was brain dead. 198 00:12:24,861 --> 00:12:28,301 {\an8}That same year, we started Bruce's Legacy. 199 00:12:29,701 --> 00:12:31,981 My goal when I started this is, 200 00:12:32,141 --> 00:12:35,741 {\an8}I wanted to be able to offer this service to the families 201 00:12:35,901 --> 00:12:37,741 without charging them. 202 00:12:41,381 --> 00:12:44,581 {\an8}Bruce's Legacy have a lot of resources. They do a good job, 203 00:12:44,741 --> 00:12:47,461 so you're figuring, at some stage, 204 00:12:47,621 --> 00:12:49,981 Ryan Borgwardt is going to be found. 205 00:12:53,301 --> 00:12:54,981 When this case came up, 206 00:12:55,141 --> 00:12:57,381 I got a call on a Monday morning 207 00:12:57,541 --> 00:12:59,741 {\an8}from Sheriff Podoll from Green Lake County. 208 00:13:00,701 --> 00:13:02,781 {\an8}He had told me of the situation they had. 209 00:13:04,261 --> 00:13:07,741 He had indicated that the wife 210 00:13:07,901 --> 00:13:11,221 {\an8}had "360 app" data - you know, where he was out on the lake. 211 00:13:13,661 --> 00:13:17,141 {\an8}It appeared that he was in the middle of the lake. 212 00:13:17,301 --> 00:13:18,861 That's where this tracking device 213 00:13:19,021 --> 00:13:21,621 would suggest he was. 214 00:13:22,821 --> 00:13:25,141 My first actions, honestly, were, 215 00:13:25,301 --> 00:13:26,581 "This will be an easy search." 216 00:13:27,741 --> 00:13:29,901 I was here the year before 217 00:13:30,061 --> 00:13:31,621 {\an8}and did a successful search within a day 218 00:13:31,781 --> 00:13:34,741 {\an8}and I know the lake bottom is... it's a pretty clean lake. 219 00:13:37,061 --> 00:13:39,621 {\an8}My first initial thought was that, you know, 220 00:13:39,781 --> 00:13:42,021 {\an8}"This will be a one-day search. I'll be in and out of there." 221 00:13:47,301 --> 00:13:52,101 {\an8}There is evidence that perhaps he had an accident, 222 00:13:52,261 --> 00:13:53,741 he drowned... 223 00:13:53,901 --> 00:13:58,261 {\an8}or maybe there's other unexplained or suspicious circumstances. 224 00:14:00,981 --> 00:14:02,821 {\an8}Well, the process of when we first arrive 225 00:14:02,981 --> 00:14:07,101 {\an8}is to set up a four-point search area. 226 00:14:08,421 --> 00:14:11,981 {\an8}We have a four-foot-long torpedo-type sonar 227 00:14:12,141 --> 00:14:15,941 {\an8}and that needs to be towed approximately 15ft off the bottom. 228 00:14:16,101 --> 00:14:18,421 Requires the sonar data, 229 00:14:18,581 --> 00:14:20,621 brings it up into a computer monitor 230 00:14:20,781 --> 00:14:22,301 that I sit in front of 231 00:14:22,461 --> 00:14:24,981 {\an8}and it shows me everything that's on the bottom. 232 00:14:26,301 --> 00:14:30,261 {\an8}I have autopilot in my boat, so once I line up, 233 00:14:30,421 --> 00:14:32,141 I can drive a straight line. 234 00:14:32,301 --> 00:14:35,261 {\an8}I don't know, some people call "mowing the grass". 235 00:14:35,421 --> 00:14:37,981 {\an8}We just keep working our way across that search area. 236 00:14:40,621 --> 00:14:42,821 Once those 72 hours had passed, 237 00:14:42,981 --> 00:14:44,861 Ryan's family was pretty devastated, 238 00:14:45,021 --> 00:14:48,461 {\an8}just knowing that he was still missing. 239 00:14:48,621 --> 00:14:51,941 {\an8}They had very little clues as to where he could be. 240 00:14:52,101 --> 00:14:55,621 {\an8}There was truly nothing that indicated where he could be found. 241 00:14:55,781 --> 00:14:58,141 They started to get really worried. 242 00:15:02,301 --> 00:15:04,221 Your training 243 00:15:04,381 --> 00:15:06,461 {\an8}and just experiencing these sort of cases tell you 244 00:15:06,621 --> 00:15:08,141 that the longer this goes on, 245 00:15:08,301 --> 00:15:11,501 {\an8}the... ..the outcome is not gonna be a good one. 246 00:15:15,541 --> 00:15:18,741 {\an8}There's a lot of pressure and when we come in on these, you know, 247 00:15:18,901 --> 00:15:21,741 {\an8}the families don't even know about us, and things like that, 248 00:15:21,901 --> 00:15:24,261 {\an8}and they read everything on the news and stuff about us. 249 00:15:24,421 --> 00:15:26,261 {\an8}If they Google us, then they get all excited, 250 00:15:26,421 --> 00:15:28,661 {\an8}cos they only hear about the ones we recover. 251 00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:32,981 You know, with this case, you know, 252 00:15:33,141 --> 00:15:35,741 {\an8}I felt really confident that we'd find him fairly quick. 253 00:15:39,061 --> 00:15:40,781 It's very difficult for a family 254 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:43,141 {\an8}when their father is missing like that, 255 00:15:43,301 --> 00:15:46,341 {\an8}because they're kind of, in a sense, in a grieving purgatory. 256 00:15:46,501 --> 00:15:49,221 {\an8}They don't quite know yet if they should be grieving, 257 00:15:49,381 --> 00:15:52,301 {\an8}cos they're holding out hope that he's still alive, 258 00:15:52,461 --> 00:15:55,541 {\an8}so that's such a difficult space to be in 259 00:15:55,701 --> 00:15:57,741 as a spouse, 260 00:15:57,901 --> 00:16:00,221 but also as children, especially, 261 00:16:00,381 --> 00:16:02,061 keeping everyone together, 262 00:16:02,221 --> 00:16:04,021 having to go about their lives... 263 00:16:04,181 --> 00:16:06,901 {\an8}It was just so difficult for all of them. 264 00:16:10,981 --> 00:16:13,381 {\an8}There comes a time when everyone realises 265 00:16:13,541 --> 00:16:16,261 {\an8}that this is not going to be a rescue. 266 00:16:16,421 --> 00:16:17,901 Now it's going to be a recovery 267 00:16:18,061 --> 00:16:20,981 {\an8}and you have to be honest with the family and let them know, 268 00:16:21,141 --> 00:16:23,541 {\an8}but by this point, the family already knows 269 00:16:23,701 --> 00:16:26,221 {\an8}that something like this is going to be a possibility. 270 00:16:28,861 --> 00:16:30,981 {\an8}You understand this is a family man 271 00:16:31,141 --> 00:16:32,421 with a wife, three children. 272 00:16:32,581 --> 00:16:35,181 {\an8}People are really not feeling good about this situation. 273 00:16:35,341 --> 00:16:36,661 The community is really sad. 274 00:16:38,901 --> 00:16:41,501 {\an8}The Sheriff's office did a fantastic job 275 00:16:41,661 --> 00:16:44,181 {\an8}of keeping the local media up to date. 276 00:16:44,341 --> 00:16:46,981 {\an8}You're starting to think, maybe worst-case scenario, 277 00:16:47,141 --> 00:16:49,101 {\an8}at some point they are going to find him 278 00:16:49,261 --> 00:16:50,621 and your reports are gonna move 279 00:16:50,781 --> 00:16:52,581 {\an8}from a missing kayaker to unfortunately... 280 00:16:52,741 --> 00:16:55,421 {\an8}maybe you're gonna have to write about a deceased kayaker. 281 00:16:58,541 --> 00:16:59,941 From the public's point of view, 282 00:17:00,101 --> 00:17:01,421 from the community's point of view 283 00:17:01,581 --> 00:17:05,341 {\an8}looking in, you know, they're just seeing this missing persons case 284 00:17:05,501 --> 00:17:09,701 {\an8}that, you know, Ryan has, tragically, probably passed away 285 00:17:09,861 --> 00:17:11,821 {\an8}and the family, you know, isn't able to move on 286 00:17:11,981 --> 00:17:13,821 and is having a tough time coping. 287 00:17:13,981 --> 00:17:17,421 {\an8}They have no idea that he could potentially still be alive. 288 00:17:30,381 --> 00:17:32,821 {\an8}There was two cellphone-tower lights on the lake 289 00:17:33,941 --> 00:17:38,021 and we knew that Ryan was parked 290 00:17:38,181 --> 00:17:40,581 by one of them, OK? And so... 291 00:17:40,741 --> 00:17:42,581 {\an8}why wouldn't he swim to the closest shore? 292 00:17:42,741 --> 00:17:45,941 {\an8}There's houses over there, you know? Why didn't he swim that way? 293 00:17:47,621 --> 00:17:49,581 {\an8}So I asked the Sheriff's department, I said, 294 00:17:49,741 --> 00:17:52,141 "We need to do a test." 295 00:17:52,301 --> 00:17:56,461 {\an8}So he took a couple of deputies in a boat, at night 296 00:17:56,621 --> 00:17:58,781 and did a test 297 00:17:58,941 --> 00:18:01,341 {\an8}to go out there and find out what it's like to be 298 00:18:01,501 --> 00:18:03,181 at dark, roll over, 299 00:18:03,341 --> 00:18:04,581 fall into the water, come up 300 00:18:04,741 --> 00:18:06,821 {\an8}and then try to figure out where you're at. 301 00:18:09,461 --> 00:18:12,461 {\an8}And he told me that, yeah, their deputy said 302 00:18:12,621 --> 00:18:15,981 {\an8}that it was extremely difficult to get oriented. 303 00:18:18,221 --> 00:18:21,101 {\an8}The thing, though, that was interesting about that test was, 304 00:18:21,261 --> 00:18:22,981 is those two red lights. 305 00:18:24,261 --> 00:18:26,261 Those two tower lights... 306 00:18:27,101 --> 00:18:29,101 Those stood out. 307 00:18:31,061 --> 00:18:36,261 {\an8}So we wondered if Ryan had focused on the wrong light. 308 00:18:37,101 --> 00:18:39,981 {\an8}The one light would have took him towards his car in the shallow water 309 00:18:40,141 --> 00:18:43,701 {\an8}and the other light would have taken him a mile across all the way, 310 00:18:43,861 --> 00:18:46,941 {\an8}in the 200-and-some feet of water, all the way across. 311 00:18:48,061 --> 00:18:50,541 {\an8}This was later part of the summer, early fall, 312 00:18:50,701 --> 00:18:53,701 {\an8}so the water's very warm - probably in the 70s. 313 00:18:53,861 --> 00:18:55,941 So in warm water, 314 00:18:56,101 --> 00:18:59,061 the body will typically process gas 315 00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:02,181 and the gas will form in our bodies 316 00:19:02,341 --> 00:19:05,181 {\an8}and that's what lightens our body up 317 00:19:05,341 --> 00:19:07,501 to allow us to float to the surface. 318 00:19:09,181 --> 00:19:10,541 So we figured it, you know: 319 00:19:10,701 --> 00:19:13,301 {\an8}certainly within four, five days, at the most, 320 00:19:13,461 --> 00:19:15,221 he would have came to the surface, 321 00:19:15,381 --> 00:19:17,621 {\an8}if he was in the weeds where we couldn't see him. 322 00:19:20,501 --> 00:19:23,661 {\an8}I wasn't ready to give up on the case, 323 00:19:23,821 --> 00:19:26,541 {\an8}because I just felt he was there and it's just a matter of... 324 00:19:26,701 --> 00:19:28,381 {\an8}He must be laying up against something 325 00:19:28,541 --> 00:19:30,181 {\an8}or he's not jumping out like he should. 326 00:19:33,261 --> 00:19:35,381 Every day that the search goes on, 327 00:19:35,541 --> 00:19:38,941 {\an8}for me, I'm doubting myself: "God, did I miss this guy?" 328 00:19:39,101 --> 00:19:40,701 The days were going on. 329 00:19:40,861 --> 00:19:43,821 {\an8}I wondered if I was losing my touch, I guess... 330 00:19:44,701 --> 00:19:47,981 {\an8}...because I just couldn't find him, and I should've. 331 00:19:49,181 --> 00:19:51,341 The worst thing I have to deal with 332 00:19:51,501 --> 00:19:54,661 {\an8}is when I have to tell a family member I can't find them. 333 00:19:54,821 --> 00:19:57,061 {\an8}You know, that's always the toughest. 334 00:19:59,781 --> 00:20:02,581 {\an8}Just the phone conversations that I have 335 00:20:02,741 --> 00:20:04,941 are enough to rip you apart. 336 00:20:08,061 --> 00:20:10,621 {\an8}There sometimes comes a point in an investigation 337 00:20:10,781 --> 00:20:12,541 where you're working on a hypothesis 338 00:20:12,701 --> 00:20:15,181 and it almost becomes a belief, 339 00:20:15,341 --> 00:20:17,941 and the possible belief in this one 340 00:20:18,101 --> 00:20:20,221 is that Ryan is in this lake... 341 00:20:21,661 --> 00:20:24,421 {\an8}...but sometimes you are confronted with evidence 342 00:20:24,581 --> 00:20:27,061 {\an8}that requires you to kinda really step back 343 00:20:27,221 --> 00:20:31,061 {\an8}and realise that that might not be true... 344 00:20:32,541 --> 00:20:34,941 {\an8}...and when this lake was systematically searched 345 00:20:35,101 --> 00:20:38,101 {\an8}and it was carefully and properly searched 346 00:20:38,261 --> 00:20:41,341 {\an8}and established that he was not in the lake, 347 00:20:41,501 --> 00:20:44,301 then you immediately have to think 348 00:20:44,461 --> 00:20:46,541 {\an8}about what the other possible explanations are 349 00:20:46,701 --> 00:20:48,381 and that's when you begin a phase 350 00:20:48,541 --> 00:20:50,221 of a different kind of operation, 351 00:20:50,381 --> 00:20:53,381 {\an8}because it doesn't sound like a missing person's inquiry 352 00:20:53,541 --> 00:20:56,501 {\an8}any more. It sounds something more complicated than that. 353 00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:18,221 {\an8}The story of the missing kayaker from Watertown 354 00:21:18,381 --> 00:21:19,781 gaining global attention. 355 00:21:19,941 --> 00:21:23,581 {\an8}Ryan Borgwardt's wife and children are still here 356 00:21:23,741 --> 00:21:25,821 waiting for word on where he is. 357 00:21:28,741 --> 00:21:30,701 {\an8}In this case, it's the rescue organisation 358 00:21:30,861 --> 00:21:32,661 {\an8}that finally came forward to the Sheriff 359 00:21:32,821 --> 00:21:36,221 {\an8}and said, "This is unusual. We've never had this. 360 00:21:36,381 --> 00:21:38,661 {\an8}We're not seeing him in any of our sonars. 361 00:21:38,821 --> 00:21:41,701 {\an8}We're not seeing him in any of our dredges, or anything like that. 362 00:21:41,861 --> 00:21:43,261 It's... it's unusual." 363 00:21:46,981 --> 00:21:50,701 {\an8}It wasn't until Day 19 and 20, 364 00:21:50,861 --> 00:21:54,981 {\an8}when one of the detectives that was working the case, 365 00:21:55,141 --> 00:21:56,541 very much involved, 366 00:21:56,701 --> 00:21:58,221 he was driving my boat. 367 00:21:58,381 --> 00:22:01,141 {\an8}I remember him and I got into a pretty good conversation 368 00:22:01,301 --> 00:22:03,541 {\an8}about what he's been finding and, you know, just nothing. 369 00:22:03,701 --> 00:22:05,101 He's not finding anything out there. 370 00:22:07,061 --> 00:22:08,421 {\an8}He could see what we were doing. 371 00:22:08,581 --> 00:22:11,861 {\an8}He could see, you know, that we were not missing anything. 372 00:22:12,021 --> 00:22:16,501 {\an8}He could see we were seeing twigs and branches down there 373 00:22:16,661 --> 00:22:19,181 {\an8}and if we could see twigs and branches, 374 00:22:19,341 --> 00:22:21,341 certainly we could see a body. 375 00:22:23,261 --> 00:22:25,261 So on that last couple of days, 376 00:22:25,421 --> 00:22:28,461 {\an8}we got into the conversation about, you know, "Guys, what... 377 00:22:28,621 --> 00:22:31,581 {\an8}you know, what's the possibilities of this guy not being here? 378 00:22:31,741 --> 00:22:33,541 I mean, he should have... 379 00:22:33,701 --> 00:22:35,381 we should have found him." 380 00:22:35,541 --> 00:22:36,741 And they all agreed to that. 381 00:22:39,781 --> 00:22:41,781 At the end of the 20th day, 382 00:22:41,941 --> 00:22:43,861 the Sheriff, as he always did, 383 00:22:44,021 --> 00:22:45,581 met me at the gas station 384 00:22:45,741 --> 00:22:47,981 and that's when we talked 385 00:22:48,141 --> 00:22:51,901 {\an8}and I said, "Mark, I just... I think you gotta look elsewhere." 386 00:22:52,061 --> 00:22:54,181 {\an8}I says, "You guys need to look into this, guys, 387 00:22:54,341 --> 00:22:57,421 {\an8}make sure he's not drinking margaritas in Mexico, 388 00:22:57,581 --> 00:23:00,341 {\an8}cos I just can't believe this guy, that we haven't found him." 389 00:23:04,741 --> 00:23:07,141 {\an8}They're the ones that have the expertise, 390 00:23:07,301 --> 00:23:09,381 {\an8}so now you have to say, "Well, wait a minute. 391 00:23:09,541 --> 00:23:12,261 {\an8}Where could he have been?" Or, "Where could he be?" 392 00:23:14,181 --> 00:23:16,621 We do not know where he is. 393 00:23:16,781 --> 00:23:19,501 We know that he's not in our lake, 394 00:23:19,661 --> 00:23:23,301 {\an8}but there's a family that wants their daddy back. 395 00:23:24,261 --> 00:23:26,061 {\an8}What that provoked them to do 396 00:23:26,221 --> 00:23:29,301 {\an8}is to send a couple of deputies to the family 397 00:23:29,461 --> 00:23:31,741 {\an8}and they interviewed the family members. 398 00:23:31,901 --> 00:23:34,141 The evidence they came back with, 399 00:23:34,301 --> 00:23:36,981 {\an8}they told me, they said, "Man, this all it looks legit." 400 00:23:37,141 --> 00:23:39,021 They can't see any issues 401 00:23:39,181 --> 00:23:41,061 {\an8}that would, you know, tell them any different, 402 00:23:41,221 --> 00:23:44,381 {\an8}and so we thought, "Well, OK, we just gotta keep working on it." 403 00:23:46,381 --> 00:23:49,141 {\an8}The investigation shifts drastically 404 00:23:49,301 --> 00:23:52,901 {\an8}from looking for him to looking AT him 405 00:23:53,061 --> 00:23:55,461 {\an8}as a suspect in his own disappearance. 406 00:23:58,141 --> 00:23:59,501 Once their theory 407 00:23:59,661 --> 00:24:01,661 {\an8}that Ryan could actually still be alive 408 00:24:02,621 --> 00:24:04,301 started to get some legs, 409 00:24:04,461 --> 00:24:09,181 {\an8}the police quietly opened an investigation to try and find him. 410 00:24:11,541 --> 00:24:13,421 To me, when I look at this, 411 00:24:13,581 --> 00:24:15,381 all the signs of staging is there. 412 00:24:16,501 --> 00:24:18,821 {\an8}What we saw is what he was trying to establish, 413 00:24:18,981 --> 00:24:21,581 {\an8}and that is that, "Boom! Here's my stuff. I'm in the lake. 414 00:24:21,741 --> 00:24:25,021 {\an8}You should believe I drowned myself or I was drowned." 415 00:24:27,421 --> 00:24:28,861 First of all, 416 00:24:29,021 --> 00:24:32,021 {\an8}it's an accident. An accident is one of the top four themes 417 00:24:32,181 --> 00:24:34,461 used to stage a homicide, 418 00:24:34,621 --> 00:24:36,501 {\an8}but in this particular case, it's not a homicide, 419 00:24:36,661 --> 00:24:39,661 {\an8}but it's still a staged scene. Top four - accident. 420 00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,661 {\an8}The public was not made aware 421 00:24:43,821 --> 00:24:46,021 that the police suspected. 422 00:24:46,181 --> 00:24:48,541 On the outside, all the public knows 423 00:24:48,701 --> 00:24:50,741 is that he's still missing, 424 00:24:50,901 --> 00:24:52,581 while, behind the scenes, 425 00:24:53,461 --> 00:24:55,661 {\an8}the police know what they're looking for 426 00:24:55,821 --> 00:24:57,901 {\an8}and they're going in a completely different direction. 427 00:24:58,061 --> 00:24:59,701 {\an8}The reason they would do something like that 428 00:24:59,861 --> 00:25:04,101 {\an8}is, it's very important to protect the integrity of the investigation, 429 00:25:04,261 --> 00:25:06,501 so as not to tip him off 430 00:25:06,661 --> 00:25:09,581 {\an8}and let him know that he's being looked for. 431 00:25:12,661 --> 00:25:14,821 {\an8}If it was me, I would be interested: 432 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:16,381 does he have a computer? 433 00:25:16,541 --> 00:25:19,021 Does he have any Internet access? 434 00:25:19,181 --> 00:25:21,581 {\an8}I would wanna look and see if he's been looking for something. 435 00:25:21,741 --> 00:25:24,341 {\an8}Has he been communicating with somebody else? 436 00:25:24,501 --> 00:25:26,941 {\an8}Because he's certainly not in the lake. 437 00:25:30,141 --> 00:25:32,981 {\an8}I can't remember how many days it was, 438 00:25:33,141 --> 00:25:35,141 {\an8}but I did the usual. I got a hold of Mark and said, 439 00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:39,581 {\an8}"Hey, Mark," I said, "you know, I got some time coming up here. 440 00:25:39,741 --> 00:25:41,701 {\an8}I could come over such-and-such a day," 441 00:25:41,861 --> 00:25:46,101 {\an8}you know, through a text, and it was in that text that he said, 442 00:25:46,261 --> 00:25:48,661 "Why don't you hold off for now?" 443 00:25:48,821 --> 00:25:51,021 And... and I was, like, "Bingo!" 444 00:25:51,181 --> 00:25:53,741 I says, "They did find something." 445 00:25:57,021 --> 00:25:59,101 {\an8}He said that they had some information 446 00:25:59,261 --> 00:26:01,181 {\an8}that they were gonna share with the family. 447 00:26:01,341 --> 00:26:03,861 {\an8}He says, you know, "We want you here for that," 448 00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:07,621 {\an8}and I thought, "Oh, boy, what the heck is this now?" 449 00:26:10,821 --> 00:26:14,261 {\an8}Having eliminated the fact that his body is in the lake, 450 00:26:14,421 --> 00:26:16,501 the obvious thing to do is go back 451 00:26:16,661 --> 00:26:18,421 and look at this individual 452 00:26:18,581 --> 00:26:20,501 and see what their life was like 453 00:26:20,661 --> 00:26:24,141 {\an8}and the sort of things that might be relevant here are 454 00:26:24,301 --> 00:26:26,981 whether the person was in debt 455 00:26:27,141 --> 00:26:29,941 or there is domestic abuse, 456 00:26:30,101 --> 00:26:33,061 {\an8}or his work colleagues think he was a thief, 457 00:26:33,221 --> 00:26:37,061 {\an8}and all of these begin to link into... Now, of course, 458 00:26:37,221 --> 00:26:39,261 {\an8}none of these things might be uncovered 459 00:26:39,421 --> 00:26:43,701 {\an8}and you might find out a perfectly kind of normal family, 460 00:26:43,861 --> 00:26:46,021 but often you uncover secrets 461 00:26:46,181 --> 00:26:48,101 that are not well known. 462 00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:53,101 {\an8}So they would look for any ties that he has 463 00:26:53,261 --> 00:26:55,061 to people in different countries, 464 00:26:55,221 --> 00:26:57,261 to people in different states... 465 00:26:58,221 --> 00:27:00,141 {\an8}...and also they look into a motive of, 466 00:27:00,301 --> 00:27:02,301 {\an8}"What kind of a benefit would it be to him 467 00:27:02,461 --> 00:27:04,981 {\an8}to fake his own death and go away?" 468 00:27:07,421 --> 00:27:10,341 {\an8}So as they start looking into Ryan's personal life, 469 00:27:10,501 --> 00:27:14,581 {\an8}they come upon the fact that he has thousands of dollars in debt 470 00:27:14,741 --> 00:27:17,301 {\an8}and they start to piece together, you know, 471 00:27:17,461 --> 00:27:20,101 {\an8}"Maybe he did have a reason to disappear. 472 00:27:20,261 --> 00:27:22,981 {\an8}Maybe there was kind of a motive for him 473 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:25,901 to want to escape his current life." 474 00:27:28,461 --> 00:27:32,221 {\an8}That was the first time that I'd met Emily in person. 475 00:27:32,381 --> 00:27:35,701 {\an8}I met his two sisters, a brother, his parents... 476 00:27:37,981 --> 00:27:41,101 {\an8}We kinda briefly talked outside the Sheriff's office. 477 00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:44,301 {\an8}Went inside for this briefing - you know, how the search was going. 478 00:27:44,461 --> 00:27:48,181 {\an8}What I think the family was expecting is to get an update 479 00:27:48,341 --> 00:27:51,581 {\an8}and they had no clue what they were stepping into. 480 00:27:52,741 --> 00:27:55,381 {\an8}He took photos of his passport. 481 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:58,581 {\an8}We found out that he moved funds to a foreign bank. 482 00:27:58,741 --> 00:28:00,861 Changing his email, he took out 483 00:28:01,021 --> 00:28:05,101 {\an8}a $375,000 life-insurance policy in January 484 00:28:05,261 --> 00:28:06,901 and he purchased airline cards 485 00:28:07,061 --> 00:28:09,421 in communication with a woman 486 00:28:09,581 --> 00:28:12,501 in Uzbekistan. 487 00:28:14,461 --> 00:28:17,781 {\an8}Brian had thousands of dollars of credit-card debt 488 00:28:17,941 --> 00:28:20,621 that he had hidden from his family. 489 00:28:21,821 --> 00:28:24,861 {\an8}He had taken out a life-insurance policy on himself 490 00:28:25,021 --> 00:28:27,821 and he had also transferred funds 491 00:28:27,981 --> 00:28:29,621 into a foreign bank. 492 00:28:29,781 --> 00:28:33,501 {\an8}All of these things leading up, one on top of the other, 493 00:28:33,661 --> 00:28:36,621 {\an8}point to... this man faked his own death, 494 00:28:36,781 --> 00:28:39,301 {\an8}and then the question becomes, "Why?" 495 00:28:44,421 --> 00:28:47,901 {\an8}People who would want to put an end to the life they have 496 00:28:48,061 --> 00:28:51,861 {\an8}and start something new somewhere else, or with someone else, 497 00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:54,661 {\an8}typically, it's about financial issues 498 00:28:54,821 --> 00:28:56,781 {\an8}or they just had it with the life they have. 499 00:28:56,941 --> 00:28:59,021 {\an8}It's not everything it was cracked up to be, 500 00:28:59,181 --> 00:29:01,221 or they have a new relationship 501 00:29:01,381 --> 00:29:04,541 {\an8}and they just want to cut off the past 502 00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:06,541 and move on with the next one. 503 00:29:09,421 --> 00:29:12,181 {\an8}As they're continuing their investigation, 504 00:29:12,341 --> 00:29:14,341 {\an8}they come upon some other pieces of the puzzle. 505 00:29:14,501 --> 00:29:15,581 They find that 506 00:29:15,741 --> 00:29:17,221 he applied to renew his passport 507 00:29:17,381 --> 00:29:20,781 {\an8}and he was flagged trying to cross the border in Canada. 508 00:29:22,461 --> 00:29:24,061 Then the case becomes, 509 00:29:24,221 --> 00:29:27,101 {\an8}"How do they find him and how do they get in contact with him?" 510 00:29:30,181 --> 00:29:32,341 In this instance, it appears 511 00:29:32,501 --> 00:29:35,301 {\an8}that Ryan had attempted to wipe his hard drive. 512 00:29:35,461 --> 00:29:37,981 {\an8}Now, it's not very easy to wipe a hard drive completely. 513 00:29:38,141 --> 00:29:41,741 {\an8}Deleting a file doesn't delete the file from the hard drive, 514 00:29:41,901 --> 00:29:43,821 it just takes a link off it, 515 00:29:43,981 --> 00:29:46,341 {\an8}which makes it not possible to be found 516 00:29:46,501 --> 00:29:48,581 with the computer's search engine. 517 00:29:48,741 --> 00:29:51,021 {\an8}That data is still there. It's quite easy to find, 518 00:29:51,181 --> 00:29:53,221 {\an8}if you know anything about computers. 519 00:29:54,261 --> 00:29:55,941 Experts who know about this will, 520 00:29:56,101 --> 00:29:58,741 {\an8}when they wipe a hard drive, will wipe it multiple times 521 00:29:58,901 --> 00:30:01,341 to make sure it is actually blank. 522 00:30:04,021 --> 00:30:07,661 {\an8}There was a folder that police were able to find, a deleted folder. 523 00:30:07,821 --> 00:30:09,621 It was titled "Promise". 524 00:30:11,141 --> 00:30:14,621 {\an8}In that folder, they found numerous communications 525 00:30:14,781 --> 00:30:18,061 {\an8}between Ryan and a woman in another country 526 00:30:18,221 --> 00:30:22,461 {\an8}and that indicated that they were planning a life together. 527 00:30:25,101 --> 00:30:28,301 {\an8}Sometimes what happens when people get on social media 528 00:30:28,461 --> 00:30:30,221 and they meet other people 529 00:30:30,381 --> 00:30:34,181 {\an8}and they develop this... this kind of imaginary relationship 530 00:30:34,341 --> 00:30:37,941 {\an8}with another person, and especially if they're in another country, 531 00:30:38,101 --> 00:30:40,221 and that person kind of is a draw 532 00:30:40,381 --> 00:30:42,341 {\an8}and maybe makes promises: "Oh, yes," 533 00:30:42,501 --> 00:30:45,581 {\an8}you know, "Come and... come and join me. We can be together," 534 00:30:45,741 --> 00:30:49,541 {\an8}they start envisioning: "How could this work? 535 00:30:49,701 --> 00:30:51,181 What would I need to do 536 00:30:51,341 --> 00:30:54,261 to just stop living like this 537 00:30:54,421 --> 00:30:56,701 {\an8}and go off and live with that person?" 538 00:30:59,141 --> 00:31:02,421 {\an8}He even went as far as having a medical procedure 539 00:31:02,581 --> 00:31:04,941 to have his vasectomy reversed 540 00:31:05,101 --> 00:31:06,101 before this, 541 00:31:06,261 --> 00:31:09,821 {\an8}so it's very clear that he wants to start over in a new place. 542 00:31:12,181 --> 00:31:14,301 {\an8}It's extremely self-absorbed. 543 00:31:14,461 --> 00:31:16,021 {\an8}The person doesn't seem to understand 544 00:31:16,181 --> 00:31:17,901 {\an8}the impact they'll have on other people, 545 00:31:18,061 --> 00:31:22,221 {\an8}or does not care about the emotional toll it's going to take. 546 00:31:23,221 --> 00:31:24,821 They're in it for themselves 547 00:31:24,981 --> 00:31:26,741 {\an8}and they just think they're entitled to it. 548 00:31:29,661 --> 00:31:32,541 {\an8}As they're trying to search for Ryan to get in touch with him, 549 00:31:32,701 --> 00:31:33,941 they're going through emails, 550 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:36,221 {\an8}through every piece of contact information 551 00:31:36,381 --> 00:31:38,061 he could have possibly used 552 00:31:38,221 --> 00:31:39,621 and, through that search, 553 00:31:39,781 --> 00:31:42,821 {\an8}they end up connected with a woman who speaks Russian 554 00:31:42,981 --> 00:31:45,181 and they ask her about Ryan 555 00:31:45,341 --> 00:31:48,741 {\an8}and she is actually able to put them in touch with Ryan 556 00:31:48,901 --> 00:31:51,741 {\an8}and, at that point, they are absolutely gobsmacked 557 00:31:51,901 --> 00:31:54,461 by the fact that Ryan is still alive 558 00:31:54,621 --> 00:31:57,061 {\an8}and here he is, living in a different country. 559 00:32:07,021 --> 00:32:09,661 Ryan, if you're viewing this, 560 00:32:09,821 --> 00:32:14,341 I plead that you contact us... 561 00:32:15,461 --> 00:32:17,741 ...or contact your family. 562 00:32:19,581 --> 00:32:22,061 {\an8}Well, the biggest clue is, he's talking to someone 563 00:32:22,221 --> 00:32:25,061 {\an8}in Eastern Europe. That's probably where he's at right now... 564 00:32:27,341 --> 00:32:29,981 ...and eventually, they'd got contact 565 00:32:30,141 --> 00:32:31,741 with someone who purported to be 566 00:32:31,901 --> 00:32:34,301 our missing husband, 567 00:32:34,461 --> 00:32:37,301 {\an8}so now it's a case of, "OK, now how do we determine 568 00:32:37,461 --> 00:32:39,781 whether it's him?" 569 00:32:39,941 --> 00:32:42,581 {\an8}In order to really prove that it's him that they're talking to, 570 00:32:42,741 --> 00:32:45,981 {\an8}they ask Ryan to send them a video message with the date, 571 00:32:46,141 --> 00:32:48,861 so that they can verify 572 00:32:49,021 --> 00:32:50,341 that he is, in fact, still alive 573 00:32:50,501 --> 00:32:53,061 {\an8}and, once he does that, the news really sets in: 574 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,741 {\an8}"Here he is. He's alive. Oh, my God." 575 00:32:56,661 --> 00:32:58,061 I'm in my apartment. 576 00:32:58,221 --> 00:33:00,221 I am... 577 00:33:01,421 --> 00:33:03,941 ...safe, secure. No problem. 578 00:33:07,381 --> 00:33:10,221 {\an8}Ryan's family woke up one morning, you know, 579 00:33:10,381 --> 00:33:13,861 {\an8}they woke up with the same sense of sadness and grieving 580 00:33:14,021 --> 00:33:16,941 {\an8}that their father, their husband, was gone, 581 00:33:17,101 --> 00:33:18,501 that he was never going to be found, 582 00:33:18,661 --> 00:33:20,101 that he was probably dead 583 00:33:20,261 --> 00:33:22,581 and, hours later, the police come 584 00:33:22,741 --> 00:33:25,421 {\an8}and let them know, in fact, Ryan is alive 585 00:33:25,581 --> 00:33:29,341 {\an8}and he is starting a whole new life somewhere else. 586 00:33:36,981 --> 00:33:39,781 {\an8}We all went into this conference room 587 00:33:39,941 --> 00:33:42,741 {\an8}and we had the family, you know, probably 20 feet away 588 00:33:42,901 --> 00:33:45,621 {\an8}in one row of chairs all the way across the front of us, 589 00:33:45,781 --> 00:33:46,901 not really knowing 590 00:33:47,061 --> 00:33:49,821 {\an8}what the information was they were going to get hit with. 591 00:33:50,901 --> 00:33:52,901 That alone is a lot of pressure... 592 00:33:53,741 --> 00:33:55,741 ...and the Sheriff is going through 593 00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:58,301 {\an8}kind of a series of things of what's been going on 594 00:33:58,461 --> 00:34:00,541 and then, at some point, 595 00:34:00,701 --> 00:34:04,661 {\an8}he told the family that Ryan, basically, staged his drowning 596 00:34:04,821 --> 00:34:07,941 {\an8}and they located him in a foreign country. 597 00:34:11,181 --> 00:34:13,941 {\an8}That news hit them like a bowling ball. 598 00:34:14,101 --> 00:34:16,381 {\an8}They couldn't imagine anything like this. 599 00:34:16,541 --> 00:34:19,781 {\an8}They never thought that he could do something like that to them. 600 00:34:21,701 --> 00:34:25,221 It was a bombshell for everybody. 601 00:34:25,381 --> 00:34:27,301 Holy BLEEP! This dirtbag 602 00:34:27,461 --> 00:34:30,581 {\an8}staged his death, you know that? That... God Almighty! 603 00:34:30,741 --> 00:34:33,941 {\an8}And then to sit there and look at the family, 604 00:34:34,101 --> 00:34:35,941 {\an8}seeing the responses on their faces... 605 00:34:36,101 --> 00:34:40,181 {\an8}They were hit with a bombshell. They had no clue. 606 00:34:41,741 --> 00:34:43,941 {\an8}That was tough. That was really tough. 607 00:34:45,821 --> 00:34:47,421 When detectives break the news 608 00:34:47,581 --> 00:34:49,941 {\an8}to Ryan's wife and kids that he's alive 609 00:34:50,101 --> 00:34:51,541 and he's in another country 610 00:34:51,701 --> 00:34:53,101 and he's with another woman, 611 00:34:53,261 --> 00:34:54,861 it's a devastating betrayal 612 00:34:55,021 --> 00:34:57,821 and violation of the family trust 613 00:34:57,981 --> 00:35:01,781 {\an8}and it had to be horrifying for all of them 614 00:35:01,941 --> 00:35:05,181 {\an8}that their father and husband would do anything like this. 615 00:35:06,541 --> 00:35:08,981 {\an8}They would probably have tried to figure out, 616 00:35:09,141 --> 00:35:11,181 "Why didn't we see the signs? 617 00:35:11,341 --> 00:35:13,981 {\an8}Why didn't we understand that he was so unhappy?" 618 00:35:14,141 --> 00:35:18,461 {\an8}They might have felt guilt that maybe they had driven him away. 619 00:35:19,501 --> 00:35:23,101 {\an8}It would have been emotionally devastating on a lot of levels. 620 00:35:26,661 --> 00:35:29,301 {\an8}You can only imagine the level of shock 621 00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:31,941 {\an8}that they're feeling when they hear this, 622 00:35:32,101 --> 00:35:35,821 {\an8}that... their father, their husband who they loved, 623 00:35:35,981 --> 00:35:37,981 who they've known their whole lives, 624 00:35:38,141 --> 00:35:40,781 {\an8}is actually just living somewhere else - just left. 625 00:35:40,941 --> 00:35:43,501 {\an8}Just picked up and... and left them behind. 626 00:35:43,661 --> 00:35:46,341 {\an8}That's a horrible thing to have to comprehend. 627 00:35:49,421 --> 00:35:51,021 {\an8}Legally speaking, 628 00:35:51,181 --> 00:35:52,821 he has deceived investigators. 629 00:35:52,981 --> 00:35:54,741 He has obstructed an investigation 630 00:35:54,901 --> 00:36:00,101 {\an8}and he's also wasted an incredible amount of public resources. 631 00:36:02,701 --> 00:36:04,821 So now it's up to the detectives 632 00:36:04,981 --> 00:36:07,301 {\an8}to convince him to come back and get all the stuff settled. 633 00:36:09,861 --> 00:36:12,781 {\an8}Police have to incentivise him somehow 634 00:36:12,941 --> 00:36:15,221 to come back. 635 00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:17,341 Ryan was already in another country, 636 00:36:17,501 --> 00:36:19,741 knew he would not be extradited... 637 00:36:20,661 --> 00:36:24,181 {\an8}...and had he not ever come back to the United States, 638 00:36:24,341 --> 00:36:25,901 he would have gotten away with this. 639 00:36:28,021 --> 00:36:29,461 {\an8}We got a press release. 640 00:36:29,621 --> 00:36:31,661 {\an8}We were told he came back on his own volition, 641 00:36:31,821 --> 00:36:33,581 that he was, indeed, in custody 642 00:36:33,741 --> 00:36:35,781 {\an8}and you know that he has a court appearance then, 643 00:36:35,941 --> 00:36:37,901 {\an8}so everything moved quickly from that. 644 00:36:40,021 --> 00:36:41,421 Whether it was guilty feelings 645 00:36:41,581 --> 00:36:43,981 {\an8}or talking to the detectives to come back, 646 00:36:44,141 --> 00:36:45,981 {\an8}he does come back to the United States. 647 00:36:48,541 --> 00:36:51,501 {\an8}When investigators finally talked to Ryan, 648 00:36:51,661 --> 00:36:55,701 {\an8}he seemed to have no sense of the chaos he'd created 649 00:36:55,861 --> 00:36:57,341 and the grief 650 00:36:57,501 --> 00:36:59,501 and the cost to law enforcement. 651 00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:10,061 Even when he's finally caught, 652 00:37:10,221 --> 00:37:14,381 {\an8}he doesn't seem to understand, "Why is this any big deal?" 653 00:37:26,181 --> 00:37:29,541 {\an8}The only thing we could really charge him on 654 00:37:29,701 --> 00:37:32,261 {\an8}was a misdemeanour - "interfering with an officer". 655 00:37:32,421 --> 00:37:34,901 {\an8}There may have been a fraud with the insurance, 656 00:37:35,061 --> 00:37:37,821 {\an8}if his wife had filed, etc, like that. 657 00:37:37,981 --> 00:37:41,661 {\an8}There was an expense to the Sheriffs and to the rescue, 658 00:37:41,821 --> 00:37:44,861 {\an8}but, other than that, there's no really law that was violated. 659 00:37:46,461 --> 00:37:49,021 {\an8}But I think he should have had much stiffer charges 660 00:37:49,181 --> 00:37:51,381 {\an8}and I think there should have been more accountability. 661 00:37:51,541 --> 00:37:53,541 {\an8}The first factor is the seriousness of the offence. 662 00:37:53,701 --> 00:37:56,781 {\an8}To be clear, the defendant is NOT being sentenced 663 00:37:56,941 --> 00:37:58,141 for faking his death. 664 00:37:58,301 --> 00:38:00,741 {\an8}That is not a crime in the State of Wisconsin. 665 00:38:00,901 --> 00:38:03,621 {\an8}He pleads guilty to the misdemeanour 666 00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:05,621 {\an8}and, essentially, he can go on with his life. 667 00:38:05,781 --> 00:38:08,421 {\an8}I deeply regret the actions that I did that night 668 00:38:08,581 --> 00:38:14,181 {\an8}and all the pain that I caused my family and friends. 669 00:38:15,301 --> 00:38:18,741 {\an8}Ryan did apologise and feel remorseful 670 00:38:18,901 --> 00:38:22,461 {\an8}for disappearing for those three months of time 671 00:38:22,621 --> 00:38:24,701 {\an8}and, you know, trying to fake his death... 672 00:38:26,501 --> 00:38:28,741 ...but does "sorry" really make up 673 00:38:28,901 --> 00:38:31,421 for the grief and horror 674 00:38:31,581 --> 00:38:34,581 {\an8}that he put upon his entire family and the community 675 00:38:34,741 --> 00:38:36,781 {\an8}and all of those people that tried to search for him? 676 00:38:36,941 --> 00:38:38,341 I don't think so. 677 00:38:42,381 --> 00:38:45,541 {\an8}Ryan was ultimately sentenced to 89 days in jail, 678 00:38:45,701 --> 00:38:48,861 {\an8}which was a symbolic, you know, sentencing, 679 00:38:49,021 --> 00:38:51,981 {\an8}because 89 days was the number of days 680 00:38:52,141 --> 00:38:55,221 {\an8}that the community and his family spent looking for him 681 00:38:55,381 --> 00:38:58,021 {\an8}and they were the days that he was missing. 682 00:38:58,181 --> 00:39:00,701 Does 89 days in jail really make up 683 00:39:00,861 --> 00:39:03,181 for all the pain he caused? 684 00:39:05,221 --> 00:39:07,461 {\an8}The sentence was not appropriate. 685 00:39:07,621 --> 00:39:10,021 I think it was actually silly. 686 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:14,501 {\an8}He cost the community financially and emotionally. 687 00:39:14,661 --> 00:39:16,981 {\an8}He should have been held accountable. 688 00:39:25,381 --> 00:39:29,661 {\an8}He spent a lot of time preparing, a lot of time staging 689 00:39:29,821 --> 00:39:31,781 and did a pretty good job of it. 690 00:39:34,061 --> 00:39:37,061 {\an8}It's very possible that he could have gotten away with it, 691 00:39:37,221 --> 00:39:38,981 had the police not continued on 692 00:39:39,141 --> 00:39:40,901 and then gone back to his computer 693 00:39:41,061 --> 00:39:43,861 {\an8}and started doing that search when they realised something was wrong. 694 00:39:45,901 --> 00:39:47,781 He plainly didn't foresee 695 00:39:47,941 --> 00:39:50,981 {\an8}how carefully the police would search the lake 696 00:39:51,141 --> 00:39:53,221 {\an8}and eventually come to the conclusion 697 00:39:53,381 --> 00:39:55,541 that he was not in the lake, 698 00:39:55,701 --> 00:39:59,461 {\an8}nor did he realise that they could find evidence, 699 00:39:59,621 --> 00:40:01,701 {\an8}they could find data on his computer. 700 00:40:03,021 --> 00:40:06,061 {\an8}He still left gaps that could be found by investigators 701 00:40:06,221 --> 00:40:10,181 {\an8}and that's because he wouldn't have known these things. 702 00:40:11,581 --> 00:40:13,421 {\an8}It wasn't just his family 703 00:40:13,581 --> 00:40:16,581 {\an8}that was involved in searching for him. 704 00:40:16,741 --> 00:40:18,101 It was the whole community. 705 00:40:18,261 --> 00:40:21,461 {\an8}It was so many people who were mourning his loss, 706 00:40:21,621 --> 00:40:23,821 who were mourning for the family 707 00:40:23,981 --> 00:40:27,341 {\an8}and were highly affected by his disappearance. 708 00:40:30,221 --> 00:40:32,941 {\an8}The people who had volunteered to help, 709 00:40:33,101 --> 00:40:37,261 {\an8}who wanted to, you know, expend their time and resources 710 00:40:37,421 --> 00:40:40,301 {\an8}in any way they could to help find this man 711 00:40:40,461 --> 00:40:42,741 would have felt horribly betrayed, 712 00:40:42,901 --> 00:40:44,901 {\an8}especially if they were friends with him. 713 00:40:45,061 --> 00:40:48,861 {\an8}It would have been really a devastating thing to experience. 714 00:40:50,981 --> 00:40:53,021 {\an8}Ryan wanted to be remembered 715 00:40:53,181 --> 00:40:55,381 {\an8}for the good things he had done in his life. 716 00:40:55,541 --> 00:40:58,501 {\an8}He didn't want these mistakes he had made 717 00:40:58,661 --> 00:41:00,181 to mar his reputation, 718 00:41:00,341 --> 00:41:04,741 {\an8}so he really felt that faking his death was the way out. 719 00:41:07,181 --> 00:41:09,261 {\an8}That shows the kind of passion 720 00:41:09,421 --> 00:41:11,981 he had for reinventing himself. 721 00:41:13,781 --> 00:41:15,581 He had a goal. He had a mission 722 00:41:15,741 --> 00:41:18,821 and that supplied the energy needed 723 00:41:18,981 --> 00:41:20,981 to put this plan into place. 724 00:41:23,701 --> 00:41:25,421 The premeditation 725 00:41:25,581 --> 00:41:28,581 {\an8}and well-thought-out staging of this scene, 726 00:41:28,741 --> 00:41:30,701 it makes it seem even worse 727 00:41:30,861 --> 00:41:33,261 than if he had just gone missing. 728 00:41:35,141 --> 00:41:38,261 {\an8}He definitely put everybody through hell. 729 00:41:38,421 --> 00:41:41,821 {\an8}Not only me, but his family, and he's gotta live with that now. 730 00:41:44,181 --> 00:41:46,901 I think it really made for a story 731 00:41:47,061 --> 00:41:50,021 {\an8}that the international press could really jump onto. 732 00:41:50,181 --> 00:41:52,781 {\an8}You're focusing on a man returning home for his family, 733 00:41:52,941 --> 00:41:55,141 but facing divorce proceedings. 734 00:41:57,421 --> 00:42:00,061 {\an8}I mean, he betrayed his wife. 735 00:42:00,981 --> 00:42:05,741 {\an8}He lied. He did this really childish, stupid thing. 736 00:42:06,861 --> 00:42:08,821 Why would she want to be 737 00:42:08,981 --> 00:42:10,941 {\an8}with someone like that? It's not surprising. 738 00:42:12,661 --> 00:42:14,581 For four months, 739 00:42:15,461 --> 00:42:17,941 he inflicted the worst kind of pain 740 00:42:18,101 --> 00:42:21,061 on those that were closest to him. 741 00:42:23,181 --> 00:42:26,541 {\an8}Not just his immediate family, but to his in-laws, 742 00:42:26,701 --> 00:42:28,781 to his parents, 743 00:42:28,941 --> 00:42:30,541 any of his siblings, 744 00:42:30,701 --> 00:42:32,181 any of his cousins, 745 00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:33,861 anybody else in his family 746 00:42:34,021 --> 00:42:38,021 {\an8}that would have been devastated for his loss. 747 00:42:39,981 --> 00:42:41,581 {\an8}They clearly don't want him 748 00:42:41,741 --> 00:42:43,021 back in their family. 749 00:42:43,181 --> 00:42:45,061 {\an8}Things will never go back to what they were 750 00:42:45,221 --> 00:42:47,581 {\an8}and those relationships will forever be marred. 751 00:42:47,741 --> 00:42:50,261 You can't take back those actions 752 00:42:50,421 --> 00:42:53,381 {\an8}and, you know, those relationships with his children 753 00:42:53,541 --> 00:42:55,541 are affected for ever. 754 00:43:19,981 --> 00:43:21,981 {\an8}Subtitles by Sky Access Services 60478

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