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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,141 --> 00:00:04,541 Even if you don't know a law enforcement officer, 2 00:00:04,701 --> 00:00:06,981 they all feel a little bit like family. 3 00:00:07,141 --> 00:00:09,341 Only another peace officer understands 4 00:00:09,501 --> 00:00:12,101 your daily struggles and the work that you do. 5 00:00:14,861 --> 00:00:18,301 Brian Eubanks lived in Newcomerstown with his wife. 6 00:00:18,461 --> 00:00:21,261 He had been a police officer for about 12 years. 7 00:00:27,261 --> 00:00:28,741 {\an8}You get a sick feeling to your stomach. 8 00:00:28,901 --> 00:00:30,581 I'm thinking the worst. 9 00:00:30,741 --> 00:00:33,581 They never know what they're getting into when they pull over that car. 10 00:00:37,221 --> 00:00:38,981 You trust the police officer. 11 00:00:39,141 --> 00:00:41,541 It's not suspected in any way 12 00:00:41,701 --> 00:00:44,461 that this could be a false report. 13 00:00:55,981 --> 00:00:58,661 Those first statements did make us a bit suspicious, 14 00:00:58,821 --> 00:01:01,421 because the detail he gave didn't seem terribly realistic 15 00:01:01,581 --> 00:01:04,781 of someone who'd just walked up on a car in a traffic stop. 16 00:01:08,981 --> 00:01:13,021 Chaz called and reached out to Newcomerstown Police Department. 17 00:01:13,181 --> 00:01:16,461 He told me he was coming to me. He wanted to speak to me. 18 00:01:16,621 --> 00:01:18,781 A manhunt is underway right now for two men, 19 00:01:18,941 --> 00:01:21,981 after a suspect shoots a police officer in eastern Ohio. 20 00:01:22,141 --> 00:01:23,661 {\an8}I think he was shooting to kill me, 21 00:01:23,821 --> 00:01:26,581 {\an8}because the gun was originally pointed at my face and I moved. 22 00:01:26,741 --> 00:01:29,901 {\an8}Going out and giving interviews, there's something wrong. 23 00:01:30,061 --> 00:01:32,701 Brian's story is that there was another car there, 24 00:01:32,861 --> 00:01:34,501 but nobody else saw it. 25 00:01:34,661 --> 00:01:36,461 There are people who stage scenes 26 00:01:36,621 --> 00:01:39,781 that we think of as narrators or fabricators, 27 00:01:39,941 --> 00:01:42,381 who want to say so much 28 00:01:42,541 --> 00:01:44,341 that it's like they're overdoing it. 29 00:01:46,861 --> 00:01:49,341 We become very good at understanding 30 00:01:49,501 --> 00:01:52,101 truthful people versus people who are not being truthful. 31 00:02:05,021 --> 00:02:07,621 Tuscarawas County is a lot of 32 00:02:07,781 --> 00:02:10,981 rolling Appalachian foothill territory. 33 00:02:11,141 --> 00:02:12,901 It has two big cities, 34 00:02:13,061 --> 00:02:15,901 Dover and New Philadelphia, which are adjacent, 35 00:02:16,061 --> 00:02:17,781 and villages, 36 00:02:17,941 --> 00:02:21,461 but a lot of the area is rural farmland. 37 00:02:22,901 --> 00:02:24,381 People are going to laugh 38 00:02:24,541 --> 00:02:26,901 and think I'm a bit biased when I say this, 39 00:02:27,061 --> 00:02:29,141 but it's a county of about 93,000 people, 40 00:02:29,301 --> 00:02:31,581 and I think it's the greatest place to live in the world. 41 00:02:32,541 --> 00:02:35,021 Everybody just really kind of looks out for each other. 42 00:02:35,181 --> 00:02:36,701 It's a great county. 43 00:02:36,861 --> 00:02:38,581 If you've lived here a long time and, you know, 44 00:02:38,741 --> 00:02:40,421 it doesn't feel as safe as it used to, 45 00:02:40,581 --> 00:02:44,101 I still think this is an extremely safe area to raise your family. 46 00:02:44,261 --> 00:02:46,541 And I love that, you know, my family does live here. 47 00:02:46,701 --> 00:02:50,861 Newcomerstown is the best kept secret in Tuscarawas County. 48 00:02:51,021 --> 00:02:52,941 It's not the most glamorous town, 49 00:02:53,101 --> 00:02:55,461 population a little under 5,000 people, 50 00:02:55,621 --> 00:03:00,741 but they're a very core group of people that live there 51 00:03:00,901 --> 00:03:04,661 that are very community-oriented, and their sports programs and... 52 00:03:04,821 --> 00:03:06,301 for being a smaller area, 53 00:03:06,461 --> 00:03:09,101 the community really comes together for one another. 54 00:03:11,621 --> 00:03:14,861 I'd say our overall crime rate is very low, 55 00:03:15,021 --> 00:03:17,141 and the people here get along very well 56 00:03:17,301 --> 00:03:19,501 and feel more like family with everybody. 57 00:03:19,661 --> 00:03:21,461 Being as small as it was, with the village, 58 00:03:21,621 --> 00:03:24,221 though they had five or six police officers, 59 00:03:24,381 --> 00:03:25,901 they do know one another. 60 00:03:26,061 --> 00:03:28,301 Everybody knows everybody in Newcomerstown, 61 00:03:28,461 --> 00:03:31,021 and the officers there were well-known by... 62 00:03:31,181 --> 00:03:33,141 by the community members. 63 00:03:36,021 --> 00:03:38,221 My sense about Newcomerstown 64 00:03:38,381 --> 00:03:40,261 is that the people there 65 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:42,821 are familiar with each other. 66 00:03:42,981 --> 00:03:47,101 They know each other a lot from their backgrounds. 67 00:03:47,261 --> 00:03:48,781 They went to school together. 68 00:03:48,941 --> 00:03:52,541 I don't feel that it's a place where a lot of people rush in and move in, 69 00:03:52,701 --> 00:03:54,221 or a lot of people move out. 70 00:03:54,381 --> 00:03:56,861 I don't think anyone moves to Newcomerstown 71 00:03:57,021 --> 00:03:59,461 because they expect to be rich and famous there. 72 00:03:59,621 --> 00:04:01,581 I think a lot of the people there 73 00:04:01,741 --> 00:04:03,661 have family there, they grew up there. 74 00:04:05,781 --> 00:04:10,341 I think a lot of family and social relationships bind that community. 75 00:04:10,501 --> 00:04:13,301 People are close. And as a result of being close, 76 00:04:13,461 --> 00:04:14,701 having gone to school together, 77 00:04:14,861 --> 00:04:18,301 having known each other for so long 78 00:04:18,461 --> 00:04:20,141 and knowing each other's relatives, 79 00:04:20,301 --> 00:04:23,421 I think they're very trusting people. 80 00:04:26,941 --> 00:04:28,741 The sheriff is the chief 81 00:04:28,901 --> 00:04:30,741 law enforcement official of the county. 82 00:04:30,901 --> 00:04:33,381 We have jurisdiction everywhere, on all property. 83 00:04:33,541 --> 00:04:35,101 That's what's unique about us. 84 00:04:35,261 --> 00:04:37,541 There are cities and villages 85 00:04:37,701 --> 00:04:39,821 that also have police agencies, 86 00:04:39,981 --> 00:04:41,621 and they have jurisdiction within your town, 87 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:43,301 but the sheriff covers all of those, 88 00:04:43,461 --> 00:04:45,701 and we're brought into many of those 89 00:04:45,861 --> 00:04:47,581 communities all the time 90 00:04:47,741 --> 00:04:49,221 for different types of crimes. 91 00:04:49,381 --> 00:04:52,301 In Ohio, a village is a town 92 00:04:52,461 --> 00:04:55,261 that has a population of less than 5,000, 93 00:04:55,421 --> 00:04:58,221 so I think Newcomerstown is around 3,700. 94 00:04:58,381 --> 00:05:01,101 It's a great little community. The people that grew up there 95 00:05:01,261 --> 00:05:03,101 and live there have a lot of pride in it. 96 00:05:03,261 --> 00:05:07,501 They basically handle all the basic calls that they get in the village. 97 00:05:09,501 --> 00:05:13,661 The pay for a Newcomerstown police officer was quite low, 98 00:05:13,821 --> 00:05:16,021 and so I imagine that people there 99 00:05:16,181 --> 00:05:18,021 are there because 100 00:05:18,181 --> 00:05:21,141 they have a feeling of attachment to the community. 101 00:05:25,141 --> 00:05:27,101 I certainly don't feel that in Newcomerstown 102 00:05:27,261 --> 00:05:29,381 it was one of those places where 103 00:05:29,541 --> 00:05:32,301 police are very afraid of the community 104 00:05:32,461 --> 00:05:35,021 and the community is hostile toward the police. 105 00:05:35,181 --> 00:05:37,381 I always felt that 106 00:05:37,541 --> 00:05:40,181 they had the support of the community. 107 00:06:09,061 --> 00:06:12,181 Brian Eubanks lived in Newcomerstown with his wife. 108 00:06:12,341 --> 00:06:15,181 He had been a police officer for about 12 years 109 00:06:15,341 --> 00:06:18,061 and was a very respected member of his community. 110 00:06:29,181 --> 00:06:31,821 Even if you don't know a law enforcement officer, 111 00:06:31,981 --> 00:06:33,621 they all feel a little bit like family. 112 00:06:33,781 --> 00:06:35,661 You know, you've all committed to these oaths. 113 00:06:35,821 --> 00:06:38,701 Only another peace officer understands your daily struggles 114 00:06:38,861 --> 00:06:40,981 and the work that you do. 115 00:06:53,061 --> 00:06:55,221 You get that sick feeling into your stomach. 116 00:06:56,021 --> 00:06:59,861 You almost want to tear up 117 00:07:00,021 --> 00:07:02,221 because you think of them immediately, 118 00:07:02,381 --> 00:07:05,181 and the harm that was caused to them, 119 00:07:05,341 --> 00:07:07,141 and what they would be without their family. 120 00:07:07,301 --> 00:07:10,381 That's my first impression every time I ever hear of 121 00:07:10,541 --> 00:07:12,701 an officer being shot or an officer down. 122 00:07:12,861 --> 00:07:15,741 We all fear that call. 123 00:07:16,821 --> 00:07:19,981 We've all embraced with our families at home, 124 00:07:20,141 --> 00:07:23,341 uh, if that ever happens, 125 00:07:23,501 --> 00:07:27,101 if the sheriff ever shows up at your doorstep, uh... 126 00:07:29,181 --> 00:07:33,021 Emotionally, you've been set up for that, to understand what's going on. 127 00:07:45,381 --> 00:07:48,621 Many of my earliest memories about 128 00:07:48,781 --> 00:07:50,821 listening to the news and reading the news are about 129 00:07:50,981 --> 00:07:53,461 law enforcement officers being killed 130 00:07:53,621 --> 00:07:56,781 when they pull somebody over for a traffic violation, 131 00:07:56,941 --> 00:07:58,501 or somebody who's wanted on a warrant. 132 00:07:58,661 --> 00:08:00,981 And so I feared the worst. 133 00:08:22,821 --> 00:08:26,301 When the call came in, when I was told by dispatch what had happened, 134 00:08:26,461 --> 00:08:28,541 that there was an officer that was shot, 135 00:08:28,701 --> 00:08:30,621 that is an all-out all-call. 136 00:08:30,781 --> 00:08:33,661 So the office here, 137 00:08:33,821 --> 00:08:35,301 surrounding agencies, 138 00:08:35,461 --> 00:08:36,901 other federal agencies, 139 00:08:37,061 --> 00:08:38,981 state agencies, local agencies, 140 00:08:39,141 --> 00:08:41,661 we had an onslaught of people trying to come 141 00:08:41,821 --> 00:08:44,021 and requesting to come and assist if needed. 142 00:08:44,181 --> 00:08:46,541 We were given a description of a vehicle, 143 00:08:46,701 --> 00:08:49,501 which was a black Geo Chevy Tracker, 144 00:08:49,661 --> 00:08:51,941 and we, you know, began to comb the area for that. 145 00:08:52,101 --> 00:08:54,581 We began searching databases to see what would mine. 146 00:08:54,741 --> 00:08:56,421 And that's where the community came in too, 147 00:08:56,581 --> 00:08:59,181 because almost immediately we started getting calls. 148 00:09:00,181 --> 00:09:02,821 They issued a Blue Alert, which means that everyone 149 00:09:02,981 --> 00:09:05,701 in the nearby community and nearby area 150 00:09:05,861 --> 00:09:08,381 needs to be on the lookout for somebody who is armed, 151 00:09:08,541 --> 00:09:10,541 someone who is potentially dangerous. 152 00:09:10,701 --> 00:09:12,781 So not only were they terrified 153 00:09:12,941 --> 00:09:14,381 that a cop had just been shot, 154 00:09:14,541 --> 00:09:17,741 they were also terrified that maybe something could happen to them. 155 00:09:17,901 --> 00:09:20,021 He's going to be capable of shooting anybody. 156 00:09:20,181 --> 00:09:21,981 He's going to be capable of hurting anybody else, 157 00:09:22,141 --> 00:09:24,741 if they were willing to risk something that intense. 158 00:09:24,901 --> 00:09:27,301 There is someone incredibly dangerous, 159 00:09:27,461 --> 00:09:29,381 at least as far as they know, 160 00:09:29,541 --> 00:09:32,221 out there, still uncaught. 161 00:09:32,381 --> 00:09:35,021 The quicker that the person is apprehended, 162 00:09:35,181 --> 00:09:38,701 the quicker the community can calm down 163 00:09:38,861 --> 00:09:41,341 and not be on the edge. 164 00:09:41,501 --> 00:09:44,261 When people hear that a police officer has been shot, 165 00:09:44,421 --> 00:09:48,341 they're upset, angry, afraid. 166 00:09:48,501 --> 00:09:50,861 They'll come together in a protective way 167 00:09:51,021 --> 00:09:55,181 and they'll want to make sure that this person who did this 168 00:09:55,341 --> 00:09:57,941 is caught and justly punished. 169 00:09:59,901 --> 00:10:02,101 You trust the police officer, 170 00:10:02,261 --> 00:10:04,781 there's a reason they went into law enforcement, 171 00:10:04,941 --> 00:10:08,061 that's to help people, to keep public safety. 172 00:10:08,221 --> 00:10:10,701 So an officer that is calling in that he's been shot, 173 00:10:10,861 --> 00:10:15,781 is not suspected in any way that this could be a false report. 174 00:10:57,661 --> 00:11:00,621 I didn't count the cars, but it certainly felt to me 175 00:11:00,781 --> 00:11:04,061 like every law enforcement agency in the region 176 00:11:04,221 --> 00:11:08,541 was involved in trying to find the shooter, 177 00:11:08,701 --> 00:11:11,501 because Officer Eubanks gave a description 178 00:11:11,661 --> 00:11:13,501 of the vehicle, of the suspect, 179 00:11:13,661 --> 00:11:16,101 and of what was in the vehicle. For all they knew, 180 00:11:16,261 --> 00:11:19,381 they had a crazy cop-killer on the loose. 181 00:11:19,541 --> 00:11:21,621 They have a personal stake for two reasons. 182 00:11:21,781 --> 00:11:24,581 One is because the victim is one of their own, 183 00:11:24,741 --> 00:11:26,381 it's one of their co-workers, 184 00:11:26,541 --> 00:11:29,301 and two, it's because 185 00:11:29,461 --> 00:11:32,021 they need to immediately protect the public. 186 00:11:33,221 --> 00:11:36,701 Whenever I have covered a shooting in Newcomerstown, 187 00:11:36,861 --> 00:11:40,541 it captivates the entire population 188 00:11:40,701 --> 00:11:42,381 immediately and totally. 189 00:11:42,541 --> 00:11:46,381 It quite filled everyone's consciousness at the time, I feel. 190 00:12:07,101 --> 00:12:09,501 The detail he gave didn't seem terribly realistic 191 00:12:09,661 --> 00:12:12,741 of someone who'd just walked up on a car in a traffic stop. 192 00:12:12,901 --> 00:12:16,061 We were far from being completely suspicious of everything, 193 00:12:16,221 --> 00:12:17,621 we just thought it was odd 194 00:12:17,781 --> 00:12:20,061 that the description given was that detailed. 195 00:12:36,621 --> 00:12:38,221 Chaz Gillilan had quite a history. 196 00:12:38,381 --> 00:12:40,421 I had a prior burglary case with Chaz. 197 00:12:40,581 --> 00:12:43,261 I'd had an armed robbery, invasion of a home with Chaz. 198 00:12:43,421 --> 00:12:46,341 Chaz was somebody that law enforcement knew 199 00:12:46,501 --> 00:12:48,821 in the tri-county area. 200 00:12:50,301 --> 00:12:53,341 So, with that news breaking, that this was Chaz Gillilan 201 00:12:53,501 --> 00:12:55,141 as being identified 202 00:12:55,301 --> 00:12:57,821 early on as the shooter, 203 00:12:57,981 --> 00:12:59,621 it spurred quite a response 204 00:12:59,781 --> 00:13:02,341 from the three sheriff's offices in that area. 205 00:13:02,501 --> 00:13:04,501 It wasn't unrealistic at all 206 00:13:04,661 --> 00:13:06,301 to think that he might want to 207 00:13:06,461 --> 00:13:08,381 you know, take a shot at law enforcement. 208 00:13:08,541 --> 00:13:10,661 This was a guy who had a social-media account 209 00:13:10,821 --> 00:13:14,021 where he had posed with guns and body armour before, 210 00:13:14,181 --> 00:13:16,981 and he was an individual who definitely 211 00:13:17,141 --> 00:13:20,061 portrayed himself as being the opposite of law enforcement. 212 00:13:20,221 --> 00:13:22,461 When you have a named suspect, 213 00:13:22,621 --> 00:13:25,421 and this suspect is supposed to have taken a shot 214 00:13:25,581 --> 00:13:27,861 or tried to injure a police officer, 215 00:13:28,021 --> 00:13:30,021 it's an absolute all-search for them. 216 00:13:30,181 --> 00:13:31,501 They're not messing around. 217 00:13:31,661 --> 00:13:34,421 They're going to do everything in the world to go find him. 218 00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:36,981 Again, it's the emotion, right? 219 00:13:37,141 --> 00:13:39,621 It's the whole idea that we have to protect each other. 220 00:13:39,781 --> 00:13:41,661 So emotions are going to be high. 221 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,381 They're going to be doing everything in the world to go find this guy, 222 00:13:44,541 --> 00:13:46,621 particularly if he's got a criminal past. 223 00:13:46,781 --> 00:13:49,741 The law-enforcement response 224 00:13:49,901 --> 00:13:51,861 would have been life-threatening, 225 00:13:52,021 --> 00:13:55,301 because this person is considered armed and dangerous. 226 00:13:55,461 --> 00:13:58,221 He's just shot a police officer. 227 00:13:58,381 --> 00:14:02,021 They're not going to go to his house and knock politely on the door. 228 00:14:02,181 --> 00:14:05,661 They're going in, SWAT team, guns. 229 00:14:05,821 --> 00:14:09,861 They've got a dangerous person here 230 00:14:10,021 --> 00:14:13,621 who didn't care if he took the life of a police officer. 231 00:14:13,781 --> 00:14:16,941 So it's very possible that he could have been shot. 232 00:14:19,101 --> 00:14:21,861 The chances for things to go wrong are unbelievable. 233 00:14:22,021 --> 00:14:24,821 All the cops are heightened; they're anxious, 234 00:14:24,981 --> 00:14:27,181 and they want this particular guy. 235 00:14:27,341 --> 00:14:29,781 So if the person in the house makes a wrong move, 236 00:14:29,941 --> 00:14:31,981 if he opens the door and runs, 237 00:14:32,141 --> 00:14:35,941 or does anything to cause panic to the police, 238 00:14:36,101 --> 00:14:38,701 yeah, there's all kinds of stuff that can happen, bad. 239 00:14:44,021 --> 00:14:47,621 We ended up locating a home in Coshocton County, 240 00:14:47,781 --> 00:14:51,261 inside the city of Coshocton, which is in a neighbouring county, 241 00:14:51,421 --> 00:14:53,621 and we kind of watched the house, 242 00:14:53,781 --> 00:14:55,581 just waiting. 243 00:14:55,741 --> 00:14:57,901 When the name got out on social media, 244 00:14:58,061 --> 00:15:01,061 it turned out that the suspect was getting phone calls himself 245 00:15:01,221 --> 00:15:02,821 that he had been named. 246 00:15:03,821 --> 00:15:06,581 He's going to be anxious, he's going to be scared, 247 00:15:06,741 --> 00:15:08,381 because he knows now 248 00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,261 every cop in that area is looking for him. 249 00:15:11,421 --> 00:15:14,941 The chances for a mistake are increased, 250 00:15:15,101 --> 00:15:16,821 because he can be driving down the road, 251 00:15:16,981 --> 00:15:18,861 even going to the police station, 252 00:15:19,021 --> 00:15:21,381 and if he's stopped, the cops are going to be anxious. 253 00:15:21,541 --> 00:15:23,941 All he has to do is make one mistake, 254 00:15:24,101 --> 00:15:25,941 chances are he could get hurt. 255 00:15:27,861 --> 00:15:31,141 He and his girlfriend had started noticing Facebook posts, 256 00:15:31,301 --> 00:15:33,901 different posts that were going on to social media, 257 00:15:34,061 --> 00:15:37,301 and Chaz called and reached out 258 00:15:37,461 --> 00:15:39,501 to Newcomerstown Police Department. 259 00:15:39,661 --> 00:15:42,981 At that time I was there, and I spoke to Chaz by the phone. 260 00:15:43,141 --> 00:15:45,861 Chaz was very rattled. 261 00:15:46,021 --> 00:15:48,541 This was somebody that I had dealt with several times. 262 00:15:48,701 --> 00:15:50,421 He told me he was coming to me, 263 00:15:50,581 --> 00:15:53,061 he wanted to speak to me personally, 264 00:15:53,221 --> 00:15:55,501 and that he was on his way. 265 00:15:55,661 --> 00:15:58,421 But cell-phone coverage in that area between 266 00:15:58,581 --> 00:16:01,661 Coshocton and Newcomerstown was very sketchy. 267 00:16:01,821 --> 00:16:04,821 He called me at least two times, 268 00:16:04,981 --> 00:16:06,501 with the cell phone dropping, 269 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:09,461 telling me he was afraid that if he ran across 270 00:16:09,621 --> 00:16:12,141 another law-enforcement officer, that they would kill him. 271 00:16:17,101 --> 00:16:19,581 When law enforcement thinks someone 272 00:16:19,741 --> 00:16:22,221 has shot one of their own, 273 00:16:22,381 --> 00:16:25,141 they will take the measures necessary 274 00:16:25,301 --> 00:16:27,661 to apprehend that person. 275 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:30,261 And I think it should be understood 276 00:16:30,421 --> 00:16:33,421 that that can be a very volatile situation. 277 00:16:35,141 --> 00:16:37,181 The initial description 278 00:16:37,341 --> 00:16:40,301 described the suspects in the car 279 00:16:40,461 --> 00:16:43,541 and then a potential methamphetamine lab in the back seat. 280 00:16:43,701 --> 00:16:46,581 Methamphetamine is as bad as it gets in the drug world, 281 00:16:46,741 --> 00:16:49,741 it makes people extremely violent and act irrationally. 282 00:16:49,901 --> 00:16:52,901 Now, you take a person who naturally doesn't like law enforcement, 283 00:16:53,061 --> 00:16:56,021 who we know has weapons because he posed with them on social media, 284 00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:58,421 and now is potentially using methamphetamine, 285 00:16:58,581 --> 00:17:01,341 you're building up about the worst-case scenario. 286 00:17:01,501 --> 00:17:03,501 And now you add desperation and paranoia, 287 00:17:03,661 --> 00:17:06,261 maybe because he believes law enforcement is out to get him. 288 00:17:06,421 --> 00:17:09,501 You don't expect a person like that to just walk out and surrender. 289 00:17:09,661 --> 00:17:11,141 And that's where the tension came from, 290 00:17:11,301 --> 00:17:13,861 and that's exactly how I felt as we were looking. 291 00:17:14,661 --> 00:17:17,501 Him reaching out meant a lot to me. 292 00:17:17,661 --> 00:17:20,261 When he did arrive at the Newcomerstown Police Department, 293 00:17:20,421 --> 00:17:22,901 I escorted him in. He was still concerned, 294 00:17:23,061 --> 00:17:24,941 on the phone with me as he came into the lot, 295 00:17:25,101 --> 00:17:27,861 because he was still concerned that other officers were outside. 296 00:17:28,021 --> 00:17:29,861 I'm sure he had a vision in his head. 297 00:17:30,021 --> 00:17:31,621 Once we got him inside, 298 00:17:31,781 --> 00:17:34,821 the first thing he said to me was, 299 00:17:34,981 --> 00:17:39,221 "Detective Moore, I committed every crime you accused me of. 300 00:17:39,381 --> 00:17:41,341 I did not commit this crime." 301 00:17:41,501 --> 00:17:44,581 I can honestly say that from his history, 302 00:17:44,741 --> 00:17:47,541 I don't believe he had ever cooperated with us, 303 00:17:47,701 --> 00:17:49,661 but he was quick to cooperate this day. 304 00:17:49,821 --> 00:17:52,981 When he showed up on his own, that was a pretty significant 305 00:17:53,141 --> 00:17:55,621 sign to us that he probably wasn't involved, 306 00:17:55,781 --> 00:17:58,101 because he had never responded like that before. 307 00:17:58,261 --> 00:18:00,181 It was more of a typical cat-and-mouse: 308 00:18:00,341 --> 00:18:02,581 he committed a crime, he fled, we had to prove it, 309 00:18:02,741 --> 00:18:05,261 he wasn't going to cooperate, wasn't gonna help us do our job. 310 00:18:05,421 --> 00:18:07,541 So in this case, him getting to us 311 00:18:07,701 --> 00:18:09,661 with such a sense of urgency, 312 00:18:09,821 --> 00:18:11,741 that was indicative to us that we had a problem 313 00:18:11,901 --> 00:18:13,701 as far as him being the suspect. 314 00:18:14,781 --> 00:18:17,381 That set the tone for my interview with him. 315 00:18:17,541 --> 00:18:19,661 He was begging me for help at that point. 316 00:18:19,821 --> 00:18:22,341 He was providing me his cell-phone information, 317 00:18:22,501 --> 00:18:25,261 his girlfriend's cell-phone information. 318 00:18:25,421 --> 00:18:28,501 Typically, somebody that has committed a crime 319 00:18:28,661 --> 00:18:30,221 is about self-preservation. 320 00:18:30,381 --> 00:18:33,381 They'll give you some information, but they won't give you everything, 321 00:18:33,541 --> 00:18:35,821 and they only want to give you the stuff that makes them look good. 322 00:18:35,981 --> 00:18:38,701 But in this situation, it changed, 323 00:18:38,861 --> 00:18:40,781 and, uh... 324 00:18:41,701 --> 00:18:44,621 ...he gave me everything without me asking for it. 325 00:18:44,781 --> 00:18:46,501 He just handed it over to me. 326 00:18:46,661 --> 00:18:51,301 So we were able to get those cell-phone records rather quickly. 327 00:18:51,461 --> 00:18:55,661 We were able to get them to an FBI agent that we work with, 328 00:18:55,821 --> 00:18:57,741 and he was able to verify that 329 00:18:57,901 --> 00:18:59,861 his phone and his girlfriend's phone 330 00:19:00,021 --> 00:19:02,261 never left Coshocton County that morning. 331 00:19:03,941 --> 00:19:06,301 Their phones were where they said they were 332 00:19:06,461 --> 00:19:09,021 and never left. So, while we had someone 333 00:19:09,181 --> 00:19:11,261 who was cooperating with us who normally didn't, 334 00:19:11,421 --> 00:19:13,741 it's not as though we were going just take his word. 335 00:19:13,901 --> 00:19:15,621 But when we were able to validate that 336 00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:17,421 with the cell-phone information, 337 00:19:17,581 --> 00:19:20,341 we were able to clear him that day, and that was... 338 00:19:20,501 --> 00:19:22,821 that was very important for us to move forward. 339 00:19:26,141 --> 00:19:27,701 Once Chaz comes in 340 00:19:27,861 --> 00:19:31,341 and really officially clears his name with his alibi, 341 00:19:31,501 --> 00:19:34,581 they are really back to square one of, 342 00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:38,261 "Oh my God, how did this happen? Who could have done this?" 343 00:19:38,421 --> 00:19:40,781 They really had no other suspects in mind. 344 00:19:46,701 --> 00:19:49,821 The first thing that I knew I was able to do 345 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:52,341 was to speak with people who 346 00:19:52,501 --> 00:19:55,381 had lunch at a local senior centre. 347 00:19:55,541 --> 00:19:57,381 They were quite worried. 348 00:19:57,541 --> 00:20:00,261 One woman said something like, "You know, if someone will shoot 349 00:20:00,421 --> 00:20:02,541 a police officer, they'll shoot anyone." 350 00:20:05,221 --> 00:20:08,701 I felt what the community felt. I felt fear and apprehension. 351 00:20:09,381 --> 00:20:11,141 But of course, you have to go to work, 352 00:20:11,301 --> 00:20:13,301 and you can't let your fear 353 00:20:13,461 --> 00:20:17,101 overwhelm your ability to do your duty. 354 00:20:18,461 --> 00:20:20,061 When there is a crime like this 355 00:20:20,221 --> 00:20:23,101 that really affects the community so deeply, 356 00:20:23,261 --> 00:20:25,941 the police want to solve it as quickly as they can. 357 00:20:26,101 --> 00:20:27,781 They want to get someone apprehended. 358 00:20:27,941 --> 00:20:32,141 They want to make sure that the community feels safe again. 359 00:20:33,061 --> 00:20:34,581 There was fear, 360 00:20:34,741 --> 00:20:37,901 and there was a willingness to help if they could. 361 00:20:38,901 --> 00:20:40,421 So I think people were paying attention. 362 00:20:40,581 --> 00:20:42,581 I think people were very alert to what was going on. 363 00:20:42,741 --> 00:20:47,221 I think people were paying extra attention to every car that went by, 364 00:20:47,381 --> 00:20:50,061 or to their own local school where their kids went, 365 00:20:50,221 --> 00:20:53,261 to see who was around there. I think there was a good amount 366 00:20:53,421 --> 00:20:55,861 of community watch going on, where they were trying to protect 367 00:20:56,021 --> 00:20:59,261 their own community by being an extra set of eyes and ears for us. 368 00:20:59,941 --> 00:21:02,021 This community comes together. 369 00:21:02,181 --> 00:21:06,101 I remember several people within the community, cookies coming in. 370 00:21:06,261 --> 00:21:09,501 I remember 20 or 30 pizzas being delivered. 371 00:21:09,661 --> 00:21:14,741 Different things where the community outreach was immediate. 372 00:21:14,901 --> 00:21:17,061 There was water supplied. 373 00:21:17,221 --> 00:21:20,261 The immediate community outreach was phenomenal. 374 00:21:28,341 --> 00:21:31,181 A manhunt is underway right now for two men after a suspect 375 00:21:31,341 --> 00:21:33,341 shoots a police officer in eastern Ohio. 376 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:35,981 {\an8}He was sitting there, both hands on the wheel, facing forward. 377 00:21:36,141 --> 00:21:39,941 {\an8}I had just got to the door jamb of his vehicle before I was shot. 378 00:21:40,101 --> 00:21:42,701 {\an8}I think he was shooting to kill me because the... 379 00:21:42,861 --> 00:21:45,021 {\an8}the gun was originally pointed at my face and I moved, 380 00:21:45,181 --> 00:21:47,101 {\an8}and that's how I got shot in the arm. 381 00:21:47,261 --> 00:21:48,941 {\an8}Yeah, he was trying to kill me. 382 00:21:49,741 --> 00:21:51,381 {\an8}One of the things I would be looking for 383 00:21:51,541 --> 00:21:54,061 {\an8}is the officer's behaviour 384 00:21:54,221 --> 00:21:56,461 {\an8}in going out and giving news media 385 00:21:56,621 --> 00:21:59,341 interviews and talking about the incident, 386 00:21:59,501 --> 00:22:03,141 and being shown with his bandage and everything. 387 00:22:03,301 --> 00:22:04,941 There's something wrong. 388 00:22:05,101 --> 00:22:07,021 'Cause generally, officers who have been involved 389 00:22:07,181 --> 00:22:09,301 in that type of situation, that's the last thing in the world 390 00:22:09,461 --> 00:22:12,381 they want to talk about, because this is a very traumatic situation. 391 00:22:12,541 --> 00:22:14,341 If you think about it, someone is shooting at you. 392 00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:16,181 {\an8}That would have been a red flag to me. 393 00:22:16,341 --> 00:22:18,981 The behaviour doesn't match what he's saying happened. 394 00:22:32,021 --> 00:22:35,341 I learned the car that Patrolman Eubanks was driving 395 00:22:35,501 --> 00:22:38,661 had the license-plate readers on them on that morning. 396 00:22:38,821 --> 00:22:41,541 So, that was immediate data that I wanted. 397 00:22:41,701 --> 00:22:43,541 That data was going to tell me 398 00:22:43,701 --> 00:22:46,181 the travel routes of Patrolman Eubanks, it was going to give me 399 00:22:46,341 --> 00:22:48,021 license plates of any vehicle he passed. 400 00:22:48,181 --> 00:22:50,541 That data was going to be phenomenal 401 00:22:50,701 --> 00:22:52,661 in helping me solve this case. 402 00:22:53,541 --> 00:22:57,221 His failure to review that is deeply suspicious, 403 00:22:57,381 --> 00:22:59,101 in the sense that 404 00:22:59,261 --> 00:23:01,101 if he had told his colleagues that, 405 00:23:01,261 --> 00:23:03,981 they would immediately have traced 406 00:23:04,141 --> 00:23:08,861 all the other vehicles that passed his patrol vehicle at the time. 407 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:11,101 That would have led them to witnesses. 408 00:23:11,261 --> 00:23:14,501 Those witnesses may or may not have seen the black Geo. 409 00:23:14,661 --> 00:23:16,701 They may or may not have corroborated 410 00:23:16,861 --> 00:23:19,301 or contradicted Eubanks' story. 411 00:23:19,461 --> 00:23:21,981 And Eubanks must have known 412 00:23:22,141 --> 00:23:25,621 his vehicle had a number-plate reader, 413 00:23:25,781 --> 00:23:28,101 so it makes his account 414 00:23:28,261 --> 00:23:32,061 not just not fitting together, but suspicious. 415 00:23:32,221 --> 00:23:34,541 So, when you're looking at a license-plate reader, 416 00:23:34,701 --> 00:23:36,781 it simply takes a photograph of every license plate 417 00:23:36,941 --> 00:23:39,701 that comes by at a particular location, 418 00:23:39,861 --> 00:23:41,421 and it gives a timestamp. 419 00:23:41,581 --> 00:23:43,941 So at this particular time, this license plate 420 00:23:44,101 --> 00:23:45,981 went by this particular location. 421 00:23:46,141 --> 00:23:50,101 Well, if I have the license plate, I can go run an NCIC check 422 00:23:50,261 --> 00:23:52,141 to determine who owns that car. 423 00:23:52,901 --> 00:23:55,781 Upon receiving the data from the license-plate reader, 424 00:23:55,941 --> 00:24:00,501 we had Patrolman Eubanks stopping right around 10 a.m. 425 00:24:00,661 --> 00:24:02,501 on that morning on the bridge, 426 00:24:02,661 --> 00:24:04,661 at the time of the radio stop, 427 00:24:04,821 --> 00:24:06,981 which he broadcast out as being on a traffic stop. 428 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:08,781 Within, like, 41 seconds, 429 00:24:08,941 --> 00:24:11,501 the first car drives past his vehicle, 430 00:24:11,661 --> 00:24:13,941 that license plate is captured, 431 00:24:14,101 --> 00:24:17,781 and the second car comes by another 15 seconds or so later. 432 00:24:17,941 --> 00:24:19,981 That license plate is captured, 433 00:24:20,141 --> 00:24:22,101 and 30 to 40 seconds later, 434 00:24:22,261 --> 00:24:25,821 a third car drives by and that license plate is captured. 435 00:24:25,981 --> 00:24:28,141 And that allowed me to go 436 00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:31,341 interview these witnesses. 437 00:24:31,501 --> 00:24:33,741 And with that, we were able to put together 438 00:24:33,901 --> 00:24:36,181 what the witnesses' accounts were, 439 00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:38,941 and that really solidified to me, at that point, 440 00:24:39,101 --> 00:24:41,221 that, uh... 441 00:24:41,381 --> 00:24:44,221 the way this case had been reported was not truthful. 442 00:24:44,381 --> 00:24:47,061 Even the injury to his arm did not... 443 00:24:47,221 --> 00:24:48,941 it was a very minor injury. 444 00:24:49,101 --> 00:24:51,821 It was not consistent with what had been reported. 445 00:24:52,701 --> 00:24:55,781 Nobody saw what was described by Brian, 446 00:24:55,941 --> 00:24:59,741 and that becomes a real issue. 447 00:24:59,901 --> 00:25:03,541 Brian's story is that there was another car there 448 00:25:03,701 --> 00:25:05,901 and that's how he got shot, 449 00:25:06,061 --> 00:25:07,941 but nobody else saw it. 450 00:25:08,101 --> 00:25:10,261 That means there is a real discrepancy 451 00:25:10,421 --> 00:25:13,261 between what he's saying, which they're already suspecting, 452 00:25:13,421 --> 00:25:15,021 because it's overly detailed, 453 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,341 and what's being reported by witnesses. 454 00:25:17,501 --> 00:25:20,661 Nobody has seen this vehicle, 455 00:25:20,821 --> 00:25:22,461 so now we have to take another step back 456 00:25:22,621 --> 00:25:25,061 and say, "OK, wait a minute. Something's wrong. 457 00:25:25,221 --> 00:25:27,341 Now we have to go back and look at it again. 458 00:25:27,501 --> 00:25:29,541 We may have to go back and talk to the officer again and say, 459 00:25:29,701 --> 00:25:33,301 'Wait a minute, something's wrong, because it's not panning out.'" 460 00:25:34,421 --> 00:25:37,621 When we are confronted with an incident like this, 461 00:25:37,781 --> 00:25:40,941 even for a police officer, this would be a traumatic incident, 462 00:25:41,101 --> 00:25:43,821 your memory does not retain information 463 00:25:43,981 --> 00:25:45,981 in a that simple and coherent way. 464 00:25:46,141 --> 00:25:47,861 He revealed all this stuff 465 00:25:48,021 --> 00:25:50,501 almost right at the outset. 466 00:25:50,661 --> 00:25:53,941 So that, in itself, is potentially quite suspicious. 467 00:25:54,101 --> 00:25:59,901 When people reveal lots of detail very quickly, without prompting, 468 00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:02,701 it can indicate that they're lying. 469 00:26:02,861 --> 00:26:05,221 They're trying to control the narrative. 470 00:26:05,381 --> 00:26:07,581 They're trying to control what everybody thinks about it, 471 00:26:07,741 --> 00:26:10,301 and they are so confident 472 00:26:10,461 --> 00:26:12,621 of the way they phrase things 473 00:26:12,781 --> 00:26:14,941 that everyone will buy into it. 474 00:26:17,021 --> 00:26:18,861 Pretty early on, I had suspicions. 475 00:26:19,021 --> 00:26:22,021 Those original descriptions were problematic for me, 476 00:26:22,181 --> 00:26:23,581 being just too detailed. 477 00:26:23,741 --> 00:26:25,221 And then there's two thoughts. 478 00:26:25,381 --> 00:26:29,741 One is, if I begin to believe that this did not happen, 479 00:26:29,901 --> 00:26:32,341 then I start to put weight on my own shoulders, 480 00:26:32,501 --> 00:26:34,901 where it's extremely important for us 481 00:26:35,061 --> 00:26:38,901 to prove that and prosecute it for being made up. 482 00:26:39,061 --> 00:26:42,581 The flip side of that is, no matter what I did 483 00:26:42,741 --> 00:26:45,421 or what our office did to investigate this correctly, 484 00:26:45,581 --> 00:26:47,501 there's going to be a segment of the community 485 00:26:47,661 --> 00:26:50,381 who trusts law enforcement just a little bit less now 486 00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:53,781 because of something like this. And that's where the real blow is. 487 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,781 When you're dealing with an officer like that, 488 00:26:57,941 --> 00:27:00,901 and you've come to not believe him, this is very difficult. 489 00:27:01,061 --> 00:27:03,021 Police officers are very close, 490 00:27:03,181 --> 00:27:06,781 this is the old brotherhood, and it's... it is real. 491 00:27:06,941 --> 00:27:09,701 We try to protect each other, because when you're out on the road, 492 00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:12,301 when you're working, that's all we have, is each other. 493 00:27:12,461 --> 00:27:14,021 So when you make a determination, 494 00:27:14,181 --> 00:27:16,381 when you start looking and you're realising that 495 00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:18,741 this police officer's not telling the truth, 496 00:27:18,901 --> 00:27:21,461 there's something wrong, that's a big step. 497 00:27:23,221 --> 00:27:25,421 One of the reasons police are close 498 00:27:25,581 --> 00:27:28,261 is that they depend on each other to watch my back. 499 00:27:28,421 --> 00:27:31,261 I need to know that you have integrity, that you're honest, 500 00:27:31,421 --> 00:27:32,941 that you will be there. 501 00:27:33,101 --> 00:27:34,941 If that starts to crumble 502 00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:37,901 in one of the people you're counting on, 503 00:27:38,061 --> 00:27:41,501 who you may like and be friends with, 504 00:27:41,661 --> 00:27:45,581 and you start to realise he's telling lies, 505 00:27:45,741 --> 00:27:48,341 that's pretty devastating for officers, 506 00:27:48,501 --> 00:27:51,741 especially a tight-knit unit in a small town. 507 00:27:53,781 --> 00:27:56,381 So the picture had built, and I did understand 508 00:27:56,541 --> 00:27:58,701 what I was looking at at that point in time, 509 00:27:58,861 --> 00:28:01,501 and I knew I was about to accuse a cop 510 00:28:01,661 --> 00:28:04,181 of shooting himself and making this up. 511 00:28:04,341 --> 00:28:06,821 So I had to be 1,000% right. 512 00:28:06,981 --> 00:28:09,821 I could not have any judgment and err. 513 00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:12,061 The only other person in the county 514 00:28:12,221 --> 00:28:15,181 that knew my thought process was Sheriff Campbell. 515 00:28:15,341 --> 00:28:18,301 It became an issue of attempting to get the officer 516 00:28:18,461 --> 00:28:20,621 to come in here for an interview 517 00:28:20,781 --> 00:28:23,341 and not necessarily let him know 518 00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:26,621 that we no longer believed his story at all. 519 00:28:26,781 --> 00:28:29,301 So that's a little more complicated than normal. 520 00:28:29,461 --> 00:28:32,381 This is a guy who already knows about police interviews, 521 00:28:32,541 --> 00:28:36,461 he knows about tactics and things like that. 522 00:28:36,621 --> 00:28:39,021 We also likely knew that there was really one chance 523 00:28:39,181 --> 00:28:40,821 we were going to have at this interview. 524 00:28:40,981 --> 00:28:42,901 This officer knew what the law was, 525 00:28:43,061 --> 00:28:47,461 and he knew that if he didn't want to speak to us, he didn't have to. 526 00:28:47,621 --> 00:28:49,541 And if we didn't get this admission, 527 00:28:49,701 --> 00:28:53,021 you know, from him, that, you know, 528 00:28:53,181 --> 00:28:55,181 that we likely were never going to. 529 00:30:20,421 --> 00:30:22,501 {\an8}As the interview is starting to unfold, 530 00:30:22,661 --> 00:30:25,381 {\an8}he realised that I was accusing him. 531 00:30:25,541 --> 00:30:29,021 {\an8}So I ended my part of my interview at that point in time 532 00:30:29,181 --> 00:30:31,941 and he ultimately wanted to speak with Chief Holland 533 00:30:32,101 --> 00:30:34,021 and then spoke with the Sheriff. 534 00:30:35,141 --> 00:30:38,301 Every profession has some sort of expertise. 535 00:30:38,461 --> 00:30:40,221 The thing with an investigator is, 536 00:30:40,381 --> 00:30:42,901 it's an intangible that's tough to articulate, 537 00:30:43,061 --> 00:30:45,061 but we become very good 538 00:30:45,221 --> 00:30:47,741 at understanding truthful people 539 00:30:47,901 --> 00:30:50,061 versus people who are not being truthful. 540 00:30:50,221 --> 00:30:51,541 Sometimes it's difficult. 541 00:30:51,701 --> 00:30:54,141 People think there are these obvious signs 542 00:30:54,301 --> 00:30:55,981 of someone being deceptive, 543 00:30:56,141 --> 00:30:58,981 and sometimes there are, but many times there's not. 544 00:30:59,141 --> 00:31:02,781 The only way you can learn whether someone's being deceptive or not 545 00:31:02,941 --> 00:31:05,781 is interviewing them enough when they're not being deceptive, 546 00:31:05,941 --> 00:31:07,221 to see what's normal for them, 547 00:31:07,381 --> 00:31:09,501 and then see when they get away from that. 548 00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:12,101 You know, it's kind of a behavioural analysis. 549 00:32:29,461 --> 00:32:32,821 Once you believe that someone's guilty, 550 00:32:32,981 --> 00:32:35,101 I think at that point it becomes a battle of 551 00:32:35,261 --> 00:32:38,581 they think they just have to keep denying it. 552 00:32:38,741 --> 00:32:41,501 But when they can see on your face that you're not buying any of it, 553 00:32:41,661 --> 00:32:43,821 that's very defeating to them, 554 00:32:43,981 --> 00:32:46,581 where they no longer think they're convincing you of their lies. 555 00:32:46,741 --> 00:32:48,221 I think that's what he saw. 556 00:32:48,381 --> 00:32:51,461 I think he realised that the gig was up in our mind, 557 00:32:51,621 --> 00:32:55,301 and that I had decided that day that this case wasn't going any further; 558 00:32:55,461 --> 00:32:57,821 that we were going to get this out to the community, 559 00:32:57,981 --> 00:33:00,101 that this didn't take place, whether he admitted it or not. 560 00:33:00,261 --> 00:33:02,581 Hey, Bryan, come on. 561 00:33:14,381 --> 00:33:16,661 Officer Eubanks was interviewed initially 562 00:33:16,821 --> 00:33:19,941 and he denied the allegations, 563 00:33:20,101 --> 00:33:23,301 and he gave some statements that weren't terribly believable, 564 00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:25,501 but had denial. 565 00:33:25,661 --> 00:33:27,301 He ended that interview with Detective Moore, 566 00:33:27,461 --> 00:33:30,101 and we put him in a conference room 567 00:33:30,261 --> 00:33:32,581 and I spoke to him briefly, 568 00:33:32,741 --> 00:33:35,341 and that wasn't part of an official interview, 569 00:33:35,501 --> 00:33:37,421 that was just a conversation with him, 570 00:33:37,581 --> 00:33:39,141 because I was trying to determine 571 00:33:39,301 --> 00:33:41,941 how I was going to move the case forward; 572 00:33:42,101 --> 00:33:44,781 whether I was going to arrest him or what I was going to do. 573 00:33:44,941 --> 00:33:48,101 But I think he could tell by the fact that I wasn't allowing him 574 00:33:48,261 --> 00:33:51,981 to just walk out, that he... we didn't believe him. 575 00:33:53,341 --> 00:33:56,301 After those conversations, he came back in 576 00:33:56,461 --> 00:34:00,501 and provided me a further interview. 577 00:35:34,301 --> 00:35:36,581 He used self-preservation 578 00:35:36,741 --> 00:35:40,701 and made up a story that was not believable, 579 00:35:40,861 --> 00:35:44,261 but he did admit that he had shot himself. 580 00:35:45,501 --> 00:35:47,341 He reported to me in the interview that 581 00:35:47,501 --> 00:35:49,061 he thought he was losing his mind. 582 00:35:49,221 --> 00:35:51,021 I did not buy that. 583 00:35:51,661 --> 00:35:53,621 There was no truth to his statement. 584 00:35:53,781 --> 00:35:56,741 He has a history of other issues, 585 00:35:56,901 --> 00:35:58,581 involving financial issues 586 00:35:58,741 --> 00:36:01,501 marital issues, adulterous issues, 587 00:36:01,661 --> 00:36:04,221 and with those, anything that he says 588 00:36:04,381 --> 00:36:07,021 becomes unlikely to be true. 589 00:36:08,261 --> 00:36:11,621 Even his description that he actually meant 590 00:36:11,781 --> 00:36:14,181 to physically harm himself and commit suicide 591 00:36:14,341 --> 00:36:17,861 did not line up with his description of how that occurred 592 00:36:18,021 --> 00:36:20,301 versus the injury on his arm. 593 00:36:20,461 --> 00:36:22,341 There's nothing logical, 594 00:36:22,501 --> 00:36:25,301 and when somebody is not being logical, 595 00:36:25,461 --> 00:36:29,301 you know sooner or later, if you tell enough lies, 596 00:36:29,461 --> 00:36:31,541 the lies will catch up to you. 597 00:36:31,701 --> 00:36:35,581 And he was leading a life of numerous lies. 598 00:36:35,741 --> 00:36:38,541 He could have done it to be able to receive 599 00:36:38,701 --> 00:36:42,061 financial compensation from his injuries 600 00:36:42,221 --> 00:36:43,821 so he wouldn't have to work again. 601 00:36:43,981 --> 00:36:49,141 He could have done it for notoriety and for sympathy. 602 00:36:49,301 --> 00:36:51,421 And he could have done it 603 00:36:51,581 --> 00:36:53,741 just because he wanted the attention. 604 00:36:54,501 --> 00:36:56,741 Unless Mr Eubanks tells us 605 00:36:56,901 --> 00:37:00,701 why he did what he did, we will never know. 606 00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:19,821 I was elated that we at least had an admission. 607 00:37:19,981 --> 00:37:23,181 I know that the case is solved, and as with all cases, 608 00:37:23,341 --> 00:37:26,461 when they're solved, that is a relief. 609 00:37:26,621 --> 00:37:28,901 There aren't very many cases in a county like this 610 00:37:29,061 --> 00:37:31,061 where we hold a press conference, 611 00:37:31,221 --> 00:37:34,421 but this is one that had taken off as big news in the state. 612 00:37:34,581 --> 00:37:37,181 And we did a press conference explaining 613 00:37:37,341 --> 00:37:38,861 that the individual had made it up, 614 00:37:39,021 --> 00:37:42,141 and I think that was a big relief to the community. 615 00:37:42,301 --> 00:37:43,821 I really do. 616 00:37:45,141 --> 00:37:47,221 When the news came out that he was charged 617 00:37:47,381 --> 00:37:50,781 with doing this to himself and had lied about it, 618 00:37:50,941 --> 00:37:53,061 people just couldn't believe it. 619 00:37:53,221 --> 00:37:56,701 I mean, why on earth would he do something like this to himself, 620 00:37:56,861 --> 00:38:01,061 and why would he have the whole town up in arms over it? 621 00:38:02,061 --> 00:38:05,501 I think people felt they had been betrayed. 622 00:38:05,661 --> 00:38:08,661 It's a community where people trust each other. 623 00:38:08,821 --> 00:38:12,381 They are in contact with each other a lot. 624 00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:13,901 They went to school together. 625 00:38:14,061 --> 00:38:15,421 They intermarry. 626 00:38:15,581 --> 00:38:17,781 Their friends become their family members. 627 00:38:17,941 --> 00:38:21,701 Their cousins serve on village council with them, 628 00:38:21,861 --> 00:38:24,781 and I think to them this felt like a betrayal. 629 00:38:25,541 --> 00:38:28,501 We all have choices we get to make in life. 630 00:38:28,661 --> 00:38:32,341 Whether you make the right choice or the wrong choice is up to you. 631 00:38:32,501 --> 00:38:35,741 And if you choose to be a bad actor, 632 00:38:35,901 --> 00:38:38,021 if you choose to lie, 633 00:38:38,181 --> 00:38:40,941 if you choose to be deceitful, that's on you. 634 00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:44,101 What that punishment is at the end of the day, that's not my problem. 635 00:38:44,261 --> 00:38:47,141 But you will, sooner or later, 636 00:38:47,301 --> 00:38:49,781 trying to cover up enough lies, 637 00:38:49,941 --> 00:38:51,221 it will backfire. 638 00:38:51,381 --> 00:38:53,021 The case was eventually scheduled 639 00:38:53,181 --> 00:38:54,861 before the Tuscarawas County grand jury. 640 00:38:55,021 --> 00:38:57,101 He was charged with making up this story, 641 00:38:57,261 --> 00:38:59,701 which is a crime, and then later convicted. 642 00:38:59,861 --> 00:39:01,901 His sentence was just local jail time. 643 00:39:02,061 --> 00:39:05,301 It ended his career forever in law enforcement. 644 00:39:05,461 --> 00:39:08,421 He's banned in Ohio from ever being a peace officer again. 645 00:39:08,581 --> 00:39:10,541 I think that's something that had to happen, 646 00:39:10,701 --> 00:39:12,541 but I think nobody really wins. 647 00:39:12,701 --> 00:39:15,061 You know, what's the saddest thing 648 00:39:15,221 --> 00:39:19,181 about this particular case is gonna be the public perception. 649 00:39:19,341 --> 00:39:21,781 The public has been alarmed because one of their police officers 650 00:39:21,941 --> 00:39:23,261 is supposedly shot. 651 00:39:23,421 --> 00:39:25,581 They've gone through all this emotional trauma. 652 00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:27,301 They've tried to help out, to do everything, 653 00:39:27,461 --> 00:39:30,021 and now they find out that it's a lie. 654 00:39:30,181 --> 00:39:32,061 The public is going to be... 655 00:39:32,221 --> 00:39:34,101 they're going to go from being supportive 656 00:39:34,261 --> 00:39:37,301 to being awfully upset over what exactly happened. 657 00:39:37,461 --> 00:39:39,461 And what makes it even harder in this particular case 658 00:39:39,621 --> 00:39:41,501 is the fact that it's a small town, 659 00:39:41,661 --> 00:39:43,581 so everybody knows everybody. 660 00:39:43,741 --> 00:39:45,501 And he's been there for 12 years. 661 00:39:45,661 --> 00:39:47,741 He's probably had a really good reputation, 662 00:39:47,901 --> 00:39:50,221 which is why the public is probably upset. 663 00:39:50,381 --> 00:39:52,581 And now they find out that... 664 00:39:52,741 --> 00:39:55,821 that is wrong, their perceptions were wrong. 665 00:39:55,981 --> 00:39:58,541 Yeah, so it's going to be very difficult for a while. 666 00:39:58,701 --> 00:40:01,341 Mr Eubanks' actions 667 00:40:01,501 --> 00:40:04,021 erode public trust, 668 00:40:04,181 --> 00:40:07,381 because as a law-enforcement officer 669 00:40:07,541 --> 00:40:10,661 we expect him to have a higher integrity. 670 00:40:10,821 --> 00:40:13,101 We expect them to act with honesty, 671 00:40:13,261 --> 00:40:15,581 and when the public hears about something like this, 672 00:40:15,741 --> 00:40:19,981 it essentially erodes trust in all police officers. 673 00:40:20,141 --> 00:40:23,341 There may be 100 good ones and one bad one, 674 00:40:23,501 --> 00:40:25,981 but he tarnishes the reputation 675 00:40:26,141 --> 00:40:29,181 of police officers everywhere by doing this. 676 00:40:29,341 --> 00:40:32,741 I mean, it was a big blow for the police department 677 00:40:32,901 --> 00:40:36,901 once Bryan admitted that he did this to himself. 678 00:40:37,061 --> 00:40:39,021 The community had a hard time trusting them again. 679 00:40:39,181 --> 00:40:41,661 I mean, not only did he 680 00:40:41,821 --> 00:40:45,101 set everyone into a state of fear, 681 00:40:45,261 --> 00:40:47,981 hunting down one of their community members, 682 00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:51,501 they're worried that maybe that could happen to them. 683 00:40:51,661 --> 00:40:54,581 There's going to be a segment of the population 684 00:40:54,741 --> 00:40:57,541 who's always going to think a little bit less of law enforcement, 685 00:40:57,701 --> 00:41:00,541 or if another law-enforcement officer reports being shot at, 686 00:41:00,701 --> 00:41:02,981 they'll bring this case up, and it might affect 687 00:41:03,141 --> 00:41:05,741 whether they believe them, whether they wholeheartedly 688 00:41:05,901 --> 00:41:08,221 try to help like they did in the Eubanks case. 689 00:41:08,381 --> 00:41:12,141 A local newspaper had done a story about my first year 690 00:41:12,301 --> 00:41:14,101 and had said how, in the first year, 691 00:41:14,261 --> 00:41:16,621 it may not have been the biggest case, because there were murders, 692 00:41:16,781 --> 00:41:19,621 it may have been the most important case, because I think that 693 00:41:19,781 --> 00:41:23,941 showing the community that we will hold our own people accountable, 694 00:41:24,101 --> 00:41:26,341 just like we want to hold others, 695 00:41:26,501 --> 00:41:28,741 I think that's really important. 696 00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:31,781 I don't think that Mr Eubanks 697 00:41:31,941 --> 00:41:36,741 realised the ripple effect of his actions. 698 00:41:36,901 --> 00:41:38,941 The consequences weren't just for him. 699 00:41:39,101 --> 00:41:41,541 He put a lot of people in danger. 700 00:41:41,701 --> 00:41:43,261 The suspect he named, 701 00:41:43,421 --> 00:41:45,621 that person could have ended up being shot, 702 00:41:45,781 --> 00:41:49,141 because this person now basically has a bounty on them 703 00:41:49,301 --> 00:41:51,621 for shooting the police officer. 704 00:41:51,781 --> 00:41:55,501 That could have happened. He caused statewide panic 705 00:41:55,661 --> 00:41:58,501 and a misuse of resources. 706 00:41:59,621 --> 00:42:01,901 You know, for a small bullet wound, 707 00:42:02,061 --> 00:42:04,221 it certainly caused a lot of commotion. 708 00:42:05,381 --> 00:42:07,701 This officer was playing on the emotions 709 00:42:07,861 --> 00:42:10,661 of every other officer that's out there... 710 00:42:12,021 --> 00:42:14,141 ...because every single officer was thinking, 711 00:42:14,301 --> 00:42:16,581 "There, but for the grace of God, go I." 712 00:42:16,741 --> 00:42:18,701 That somebody else could have shot me. 713 00:42:18,861 --> 00:42:22,101 Now, what would happen to my family? What would happen to my kids? 714 00:42:22,261 --> 00:42:24,541 So he put the entire police department, 715 00:42:24,701 --> 00:42:26,781 probably within that entire state, 716 00:42:26,941 --> 00:42:28,941 through that, because now every single one of them 717 00:42:29,101 --> 00:42:31,461 are going to have to judge whether they're doing the right thing, 718 00:42:31,621 --> 00:42:33,701 is the right job for them. 719 00:43:03,781 --> 00:43:05,981 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 56156

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