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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,382 --> 00:00:09,132 The coroner ruled 2 00:00:09,218 --> 00:00:12,348 the cause of death to be the shotgun pellets. 3 00:00:13,138 --> 00:00:17,178 It wasn't the wounds from the shooters after the shotgun 4 00:00:17,267 --> 00:00:18,437 that killed Malcolm X. 5 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:22,402 The cause of death was ruled to be the sawed-off shotgun. 6 00:00:23,065 --> 00:00:25,065 Rally attendees seized one of the gunmen 7 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:26,650 as he tried to escape the Audubon. 8 00:00:26,735 --> 00:00:28,855 There is archival film 9 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:32,621 of the scene outside the Audubon Ballroom 10 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:34,409 right after the assassination. 11 00:00:34,493 --> 00:00:36,913 Intervening policemen engaged in a brutal tug-of-war... 12 00:00:36,995 --> 00:00:40,615 You see a scuffle between the police 13 00:00:40,707 --> 00:00:45,167 and the crowd that was trying to beat down Talmadge Hayer, 14 00:00:45,254 --> 00:00:47,714 the only one of the assassins to confess. 15 00:00:49,091 --> 00:00:52,011 And there's a man standing on the edge of that crowd 16 00:00:52,678 --> 00:00:54,968 who looks a lot like William Bradley. 17 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:56,095 There he is, right there. 18 00:00:56,181 --> 00:00:57,681 Who, according to Hayer, 19 00:00:57,766 --> 00:00:59,886 fired the shotgun that killed Malcolm. 20 00:01:00,644 --> 00:01:06,444 And he's feigning like he's part of the brawl. 21 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:09,863 And in that kind of misdirection, 22 00:01:09,945 --> 00:01:11,445 he steps back, 23 00:01:11,530 --> 00:01:14,490 and then you see him walk across the frame 24 00:01:14,575 --> 00:01:18,365 very calmly, closing his coat, and he just walks away. 25 00:01:19,955 --> 00:01:21,325 This is how he got away. 26 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:27,250 If William Bradley is the man who pulled out that shotgun, 27 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:30,091 and took the life of Malcolm X, 28 00:01:30,174 --> 00:01:31,344 and I can prove it, 29 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:34,432 I want to confront him, face-to-face. 30 00:02:35,906 --> 00:02:37,366 According to Talmadge Hayer, 31 00:02:38,659 --> 00:02:41,539 all five of the assassins of Malcolm X 32 00:02:41,620 --> 00:02:44,330 came from the mosque in Newark, New Jersey. 33 00:02:47,876 --> 00:02:50,916 What killed Malcolm X was the sawed-off shotgun, 34 00:02:52,381 --> 00:02:54,261 and Talmadge Hayer says that the gun 35 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:57,141 was fired by a man named William Bradley. 36 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:02,724 Over the years, I had heard that William X. Bradley 37 00:03:02,808 --> 00:03:04,638 had changed his name, 38 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:08,266 but I could never find out what his Muslim name was. 39 00:03:08,856 --> 00:03:11,226 Salaam-alaikum, sister. Hamdullah. 40 00:03:11,775 --> 00:03:13,395 I was at a Muslim function, 41 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:16,527 and there was someone 42 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:20,083 at this Muslim function that was from Newark. 43 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:23,698 And I didn't even really expect to get the answer, 44 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:25,827 I just approached this... "Oh, you're from Newark? 45 00:03:26,456 --> 00:03:28,786 You know, the guy that killed Malcolm..." 46 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:31,416 And before I could even finish the question he said, "Oh. 47 00:03:32,129 --> 00:03:34,509 Al-Mustafa Shabazz. William Bradley." 48 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:37,260 So on and so forth. And I was just like... 49 00:03:40,429 --> 00:03:44,889 Wow. You know? I was blown away. Everything. 50 00:03:45,601 --> 00:03:46,561 He gave me everything. 51 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:49,855 And I couldn't sleep that night. 52 00:03:51,565 --> 00:03:55,315 Bradley's Muslim name unlocked a whole lot of information, 53 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:57,282 including his rap sheet. 54 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,830 The list of crimes under the name Al-Mustafa Shabazz 55 00:04:01,909 --> 00:04:05,579 included aggravated assault, terroristic threats, 56 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:08,172 robbery, sexual assault... 57 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:09,878 It just went on and on. 58 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:13,880 I went back to some of my Newark contacts 59 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:15,552 with Bradley's Muslim name. 60 00:04:16,632 --> 00:04:19,092 And it seemed to make everyone pretty nervous. 61 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,970 - Peace, brother. Peace, brother. - Hey, how you feeling? 62 00:04:22,054 --> 00:04:23,144 Brother, let me ask you a question. 63 00:04:23,222 --> 00:04:25,932 What're we going to do about that Mustafa Shabazz, 64 00:04:26,016 --> 00:04:27,386 William Bradley? 65 00:04:27,476 --> 00:04:29,516 Leave him alone. Leave him alone. 66 00:04:30,354 --> 00:04:31,654 Leave him alone. 67 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:34,780 Because he's probably being protected by the state. Leave him alone. 68 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,236 Leave him alone. 69 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:40,029 If he did what they think he did, and he's been out here like that, 70 00:04:40,113 --> 00:04:41,283 they're protecting him. 71 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:43,660 I don't want you in prison behind some bullshit... 72 00:04:43,742 --> 00:04:45,702 - Oh, no, no, no. I ain't... - You understand that? 73 00:04:45,786 --> 00:04:47,286 I'm trying to tell you something. 74 00:04:51,375 --> 00:04:56,125 Does the name Al-Mustafa Shabazz ring a bell to you? 75 00:04:56,213 --> 00:05:00,973 Yes, yes, I knew... He used to actually come here 76 00:05:01,051 --> 00:05:03,431 for Jumu'ah as well. He went other places, 77 00:05:03,512 --> 00:05:06,012 but Al-Mustafa Shabazz, 78 00:05:06,098 --> 00:05:07,718 yeah, he used to come here for Jumu'ah. 79 00:05:07,808 --> 00:05:09,808 He used to go other places, but he used to... 80 00:05:09,893 --> 00:05:11,943 'Cause he didn't live too far from here, 81 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:13,900 and he was known as William Bradley. 82 00:05:13,981 --> 00:05:15,231 And on the street, 83 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:20,236 they say that he had, um... something to do with Malcolm's killing. 84 00:05:21,071 --> 00:05:23,571 It's a touchy conversation, as you can probably see 85 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:25,117 how I'm trying to handle it. 86 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,960 But, yes, that is something that has been floating around 87 00:05:30,539 --> 00:05:35,379 that Al-Mustafa Shabazz, known as William Bradley, 88 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:38,960 was the shotgun man that took Malcolm... 89 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:40,417 That took Malcolm out. 90 00:05:45,012 --> 00:05:48,392 It's been documented that there is a triggerman here in Newark 91 00:05:48,932 --> 00:05:51,732 hiding in plain sight. Have you heard that allegation? 92 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:53,270 - Yeah, I've heard it. - Was it Mustafa 93 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,273 Al-Shabazz? You know who he is? 94 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,475 Shotgun dude. Right. 95 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:01,605 No, I remember. I know what it's about, you know? 96 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:03,735 And, you know, the guy was known for... 97 00:06:04,448 --> 00:06:06,408 you know, having a shotgun and all of those... 98 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:08,701 So, it made everything kind of 99 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:12,709 sound like it is a possibility, that this could be real. 100 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:16,462 There's no evidence of it, but I've heard it, you know? 101 00:06:17,044 --> 00:06:20,264 Some of that stuff can be dangerous, you know what I mean? So... 102 00:06:20,339 --> 00:06:24,969 I mean, that's why I don't like to, you know, deal with gossip. 103 00:06:25,552 --> 00:06:28,682 I mean it's just all innuendo, and uh... 104 00:06:28,764 --> 00:06:30,934 like circumstantial, and this and that, 105 00:06:31,016 --> 00:06:33,726 but I, you know... I've seen him in the community 106 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:34,940 a couple of times. 107 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:39,820 He's walking around, you know, so obviously, 108 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,780 if somebody have proof of that, they should come forward with it. 109 00:06:43,362 --> 00:06:45,362 And if they don't, if we don't have any proof of it, 110 00:06:45,447 --> 00:06:47,617 they should just let it alone. 111 00:06:52,663 --> 00:06:55,623 I kept asking around Newark about Bradley, 112 00:06:55,707 --> 00:06:57,957 but, basically, he remained elusive. 113 00:06:59,002 --> 00:07:00,882 And then, I got a tip. 114 00:07:01,547 --> 00:07:04,717 I got a call from a person who said, "Hey, you know what, man? 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,970 William Bradley was in a 2010 campaign commercial 116 00:07:08,053 --> 00:07:11,393 for Cory Booker when he was running for mayor of Newark." 117 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:12,813 A re-election campaign! 118 00:07:13,892 --> 00:07:16,272 I mean, this sounded like crazy talk, you know. 119 00:07:16,353 --> 00:07:17,983 It's just... I don't... 120 00:07:18,063 --> 00:07:19,363 I said, "What?" 121 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:22,479 He said, "Yes, man! He is in a video!" 122 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,324 Violent crime in our city was getting worse, 123 00:07:26,405 --> 00:07:28,695 but together, Newark, we took action. 124 00:07:29,992 --> 00:07:31,702 Adding 300 police to our streets... 125 00:07:31,785 --> 00:07:35,575 It's only a millisecond, you know, that he appears, 126 00:07:35,664 --> 00:07:38,924 but I froze it, and there he is... 127 00:07:39,001 --> 00:07:40,791 William Bradley, 128 00:07:40,878 --> 00:07:43,418 today's Al-Mustafa Shabazz. 129 00:07:44,298 --> 00:07:47,048 It was just mind-blowing. It was mind-blowing. 130 00:07:48,051 --> 00:07:51,051 This is for the first time that the world has seen 131 00:07:51,138 --> 00:07:53,058 the face of the man 132 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:56,140 who allegedly took the life of Malcolm X. 133 00:07:57,060 --> 00:08:00,560 He wasn't even trying to hide, you know? 134 00:08:01,565 --> 00:08:05,735 He had no fear of being clipped for this crime. 135 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:10,160 And he thought that the process of reinvention 136 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,330 was so complete 137 00:08:12,367 --> 00:08:18,667 that he was audacious enough to appear on film, on video, 138 00:08:18,749 --> 00:08:21,879 for a very popular mayor, now senator. 139 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,210 We are making Newark safer and stronger. 140 00:08:25,297 --> 00:08:28,967 And together, Newark, we are taking back our city. 141 00:08:33,347 --> 00:08:36,097 Are you familiar with somebody named William Bradley 142 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:38,063 or Al-Mustafa Shabazz? 143 00:08:38,143 --> 00:08:39,353 - In Newark? From Newark? - Yeah. 144 00:08:39,436 --> 00:08:40,436 Yeah. 145 00:08:40,521 --> 00:08:43,231 Do you know that he appeared in 146 00:08:43,315 --> 00:08:46,645 a re-election campaign video of yours in 2010, 147 00:08:47,319 --> 00:08:50,159 and that he is one of the people who allegedly 148 00:08:50,239 --> 00:08:51,409 murdered Malcolm X? 149 00:08:51,949 --> 00:08:54,199 That connection, I was not aware of, no. 150 00:08:54,284 --> 00:08:55,454 You weren't aware of that? 151 00:08:55,536 --> 00:08:57,906 You are breaking news to me. 152 00:08:57,996 --> 00:09:00,576 He's one of the people that is alleged by whom? 153 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:02,708 By Talmadge Hayer, 154 00:09:02,793 --> 00:09:06,513 who is a convicted assassin, an admitted assassin 155 00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:07,548 of Malcolm X. 156 00:09:07,631 --> 00:09:09,631 - Wow, I was not aware of that. - Do you want to see it? 157 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:11,553 Do you have it with you right now? 158 00:09:11,635 --> 00:09:12,795 I think we do. 159 00:09:14,137 --> 00:09:16,307 - Yeah. - I mean, he doesn't talk. 160 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:18,310 He doesn't, but he appears. 161 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:19,522 ...was getting worse, 162 00:09:19,601 --> 00:09:21,731 but together, Newark, we took action. 163 00:09:21,812 --> 00:09:24,152 - That brother right there. - Yeah. No, I know him well. 164 00:09:24,231 --> 00:09:25,651 I know him well. 165 00:09:25,732 --> 00:09:28,782 You've never heard anything about his affiliation with the... 166 00:09:28,861 --> 00:09:29,821 I have not heard that. 167 00:09:29,903 --> 00:09:31,913 - ...assassination of...? - I have not heard that. Yeah. 168 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:34,833 Does it surprise you? 169 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:38,328 Um, again, I would love to know the facts. 170 00:09:38,412 --> 00:09:39,752 I would love to know the facts. 171 00:09:40,289 --> 00:09:41,119 Yeah. 172 00:09:41,206 --> 00:09:44,536 It's one of many threads of Malcolm's assassination 173 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:47,086 that have not been reopened or unearthed. 174 00:09:47,171 --> 00:09:48,551 Yeah, right. 175 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:51,090 And it's important to get to the truth. And by the way, 176 00:09:51,175 --> 00:09:53,255 we all know that there's been wrongful accusations, 177 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:55,393 wrongful convictions, and nobody should be... 178 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:57,390 Presumptions shouldn't be made about anybody. 179 00:09:57,472 --> 00:09:58,772 But, we should get to the truth. 180 00:09:58,849 --> 00:10:02,809 And, uh, again, so much of this history is tied in 181 00:10:02,895 --> 00:10:05,515 with the history of Newark and the history in our state. 182 00:10:05,606 --> 00:10:07,016 Um, we should go... 183 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,527 We should follow the evidence, and find out. 184 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:11,110 We should know these things. 185 00:10:11,195 --> 00:10:13,655 Um, but we should not jump to conclusions about anybody. 186 00:10:13,739 --> 00:10:16,029 - That's really important. - Fair enough. 187 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:18,576 Yeah, I mean, he's been named multiple times. 188 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:20,950 Off the record, what do you know about him? 189 00:10:21,038 --> 00:10:23,868 I mean, he's the one living, um... 190 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:25,417 assassin... potential assassin. 191 00:10:25,501 --> 00:10:26,791 - Assassin. Please... - Potential. 192 00:10:26,877 --> 00:10:29,047 - Potential. - Please, keep saying "potential." 193 00:10:30,714 --> 00:10:34,934 It turns out that after he was released from prison in 1998, 194 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:37,550 Bradley built a new life for himself in Newark. 195 00:10:38,764 --> 00:10:40,894 He married a prominent community activist, 196 00:10:41,475 --> 00:10:44,845 and together they founded a boxing gym for local youth. 197 00:10:45,687 --> 00:10:48,267 That's probably how he ended up in that Cory Booker ad. 198 00:10:48,357 --> 00:10:51,147 Basically, what our young kids need today, 199 00:10:51,235 --> 00:10:53,985 they need someone to give them valued time. 200 00:10:54,071 --> 00:10:56,071 He had become a kind of 201 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:58,366 grandfatherly-type figure, you know? 202 00:10:58,450 --> 00:11:00,410 A mentor to the youth 203 00:11:00,494 --> 00:11:04,624 who's just going to guide the kids to the right path. 204 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:08,875 I had to set my eyes on this gym. 205 00:11:09,878 --> 00:11:11,668 I didn't know if I'd see Bradley there. 206 00:11:12,381 --> 00:11:13,881 I don't even know if I wanted to. 207 00:11:14,842 --> 00:11:17,892 First Class Championship Development Center 208 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:19,010 is what it's called, 209 00:11:19,805 --> 00:11:23,925 and, um, I think... I even think they have a daycare center, 210 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:25,387 if you can imagine that. 211 00:11:26,562 --> 00:11:28,482 But it looks like it's closed now. 212 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:32,360 Yep, nothing but weeds now. 213 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:40,200 It's unbelievable, man. I'm getting... 214 00:11:40,284 --> 00:11:43,294 I'm really kind of getting sick to my stomach right now, I really am. 215 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:46,290 I'm feeling some kind of way about this, as I'm talking about it. 216 00:11:47,082 --> 00:11:48,252 You know what I'm saying? 217 00:11:49,168 --> 00:11:51,878 It's really making me sick. 218 00:11:51,962 --> 00:11:53,962 That's the first time I've seen it, you know? 219 00:11:54,047 --> 00:11:56,837 That's the first time I've seen that place with my own eyes. 220 00:11:58,886 --> 00:12:00,886 It's just really appalling that this has been 221 00:12:00,971 --> 00:12:05,891 allowed to continue all these decades, 222 00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:10,107 and no one has done a damn thing about it. 223 00:12:10,189 --> 00:12:13,189 It's really, really sickening. 224 00:12:13,275 --> 00:12:15,605 Let the world see this man. 225 00:12:15,694 --> 00:12:18,994 This man can no longer hide in the shadows. 226 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:22,162 He can no longer hide in the shadows. 227 00:12:29,166 --> 00:12:32,586 Before I could confront Bradley face-to-face, 228 00:12:32,669 --> 00:12:34,759 I had to put things to rest, 229 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:38,677 and collect the evidence to prove once and for all 230 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:41,259 that A, Bradley was guilty, 231 00:12:42,012 --> 00:12:45,022 and B, Butler and Johnson were innocent. 232 00:12:46,808 --> 00:12:49,188 The trial transcripts don't reveal much. 233 00:12:49,895 --> 00:12:53,145 Initially, Talmadge Hayer denied any involvement in the murder. 234 00:12:54,149 --> 00:12:56,239 But there was ample proof of his guilt. 235 00:12:56,985 --> 00:13:00,355 I mean, he was caught at the scene with a.45 clip in his pocket. 236 00:13:02,366 --> 00:13:05,616 But when it comes to Norman Butler and Thomas Johnson, 237 00:13:05,702 --> 00:13:06,792 the only thing they had 238 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:11,250 was very contradictory eyewitness testimony. 239 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:12,333 That's all they had. 240 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:16,167 There was no physical evidence to speak of. 241 00:13:19,883 --> 00:13:21,803 There was only one way to catch the shooters, 242 00:13:22,469 --> 00:13:24,259 and that was to find people, 243 00:13:24,346 --> 00:13:27,306 and there were hundreds of people in the room, 244 00:13:27,391 --> 00:13:29,231 to identify who the shooters were. 245 00:13:29,768 --> 00:13:31,898 That's what I was concentrated on. 246 00:13:32,479 --> 00:13:36,479 There was no physical evidence to be found. 247 00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:39,534 Now you can, you know... 248 00:13:39,611 --> 00:13:42,111 People can pick over that all they want. 249 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:44,321 That's all there was to it. 250 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:49,155 Today, jurors expect 251 00:13:49,246 --> 00:13:50,656 when they hear a criminal case, 252 00:13:50,747 --> 00:13:55,337 there will be forensic evidence linking a defendant to the crime. 253 00:13:55,878 --> 00:14:01,428 Obviously, DNA has become a major, major factor 254 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:03,258 in criminal investigation. 255 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,973 But none of this existed back in the 1960s. 256 00:14:06,555 --> 00:14:11,725 We relied pretty much on what people saw, what they heard. 257 00:14:11,810 --> 00:14:13,230 We had ballistics evidence, 258 00:14:13,312 --> 00:14:16,692 in which a gun in the possession of someone 259 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:18,783 matched a bullet that was fired. 260 00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:23,359 We had fingerprint evidence that was available in rare cases. 261 00:14:24,198 --> 00:14:28,738 And of course, we had statements made by the defendants themselves 262 00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,907 that were viewed as very compelling evidence. 263 00:14:32,956 --> 00:14:35,746 Both Butler and Johnson had alibis, 264 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:40,130 people who testified they saw them or spoke to them on the phone 265 00:14:40,214 --> 00:14:43,764 during the exact time period the crime took place. 266 00:14:43,842 --> 00:14:45,842 Butler even had a doctor who testified 267 00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:49,598 that he saw him that morning for injuries on his leg, 268 00:14:49,681 --> 00:14:52,231 that Butler said made it near impossible for him 269 00:14:52,309 --> 00:14:54,099 to walk around freely. 270 00:14:55,771 --> 00:14:59,901 The case against Talmadge Hayer is ironclad, 271 00:14:59,983 --> 00:15:04,283 but the case against Butler and Johnson is weak. 272 00:15:05,822 --> 00:15:08,242 So the prosecution successfully convinced the jury 273 00:15:08,325 --> 00:15:11,745 that the three defendants acted in concert with one another. 274 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,583 So whatever is used against one, 275 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:19,416 is now going to be used against the other. 276 00:15:19,503 --> 00:15:24,723 So, the ironclad case against Hayer 277 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,640 is now gonna be coattailed to the weak cases 278 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,680 against Butler and Johnson. 279 00:15:30,764 --> 00:15:35,694 And once that happened, their fate was basically sealed. 280 00:15:37,145 --> 00:15:38,605 I had stated myself 281 00:15:38,689 --> 00:15:40,859 that Norman Butler and Thomas Johnson, 282 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:42,571 that they were not involved. 283 00:15:42,651 --> 00:15:44,111 Originally, when the trial first started, 284 00:15:44,194 --> 00:15:47,074 I actually felt that the brothers would be cut loose. 285 00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:49,485 I didn't think that they was gonna be convicted 286 00:15:49,575 --> 00:15:51,735 until the trial started going on 287 00:15:51,827 --> 00:15:55,577 and it became obvious what was being done. 288 00:15:55,664 --> 00:15:56,964 When it started to look 289 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,040 like Butler and Johnson might actually be convicted, 290 00:16:00,127 --> 00:16:03,707 Hayer made his big move and took the stand a second time. 291 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,930 That's when he confessed to being part of the assassination 292 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:11,180 and insisted that Butler and Johnson were innocent. 293 00:16:12,347 --> 00:16:14,347 I didn't know Hayer. I mean, I didn't know him. 294 00:16:14,433 --> 00:16:16,813 I never saw him before in my life, never heard of him. 295 00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:20,443 I knew Johnson. 296 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:23,322 We knew each other, but we didn't know Hayer. 297 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,780 He knew who did it with him, and it wasn't us. 298 00:16:25,861 --> 00:16:27,531 Watch the wire. 299 00:16:27,613 --> 00:16:28,743 They want a conviction. 300 00:16:28,822 --> 00:16:30,622 It doesn't make any difference what I say or what he say, 301 00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:32,329 all they care about is a conviction. 302 00:16:32,993 --> 00:16:35,873 So, if the white man say you guilty, you guilty. 303 00:16:35,954 --> 00:16:38,004 Why? 'Cause he says so and he got a gun, 304 00:16:38,081 --> 00:16:41,881 or he got a key, or he got money and it's that simple. 305 00:16:44,129 --> 00:16:47,879 All three men, Hayer, Johnson, and Butler, 306 00:16:47,966 --> 00:16:49,636 got 20 years to life. 307 00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:54,346 Years later, when Talmadge Hayer filed an affidavit 308 00:16:54,431 --> 00:16:56,481 which finally provided the names of the men 309 00:16:56,558 --> 00:16:58,978 he said were his real accomplices, 310 00:16:59,061 --> 00:17:01,981 a judge said he didn't consider it new evidence. 311 00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:08,736 There would need to be some corroboration of these claims 312 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:11,740 in order for a court really to be satisfied. 313 00:17:12,908 --> 00:17:17,158 So, on its face, it didn't seem to have enough substance. 314 00:17:18,413 --> 00:17:20,083 But Bill Kunstler, 315 00:17:20,165 --> 00:17:21,575 the defense attorney for Hayer, 316 00:17:21,667 --> 00:17:24,287 did everything humanly possible 317 00:17:24,378 --> 00:17:27,628 to get the case reopened, to get it reexamined. 318 00:17:28,298 --> 00:17:30,968 And he didn't stop with Hayer's affidavit. 319 00:17:31,051 --> 00:17:34,971 Mr. Kunstler also had an affidavit from a second person 320 00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:36,635 named Benjamin Goodman. 321 00:17:37,516 --> 00:17:41,346 Mr. Goodman was present at the time of the murder, 322 00:17:42,187 --> 00:17:46,817 and he claimed, in this affidavit that Mr. Kunstler filed, 323 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:51,030 that the other two men, Butler and Johnson, 324 00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:55,703 were not present in the auditorium at the time of the assassination. 325 00:17:56,785 --> 00:18:00,245 Benjamin Goodman, I know him by his Muslim name, 326 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:04,080 Benjamin Karim, he was Malcolm's right-hand man, 327 00:18:04,168 --> 00:18:06,958 and he opened up for Malcolm that day at the Audubon. 328 00:18:07,045 --> 00:18:09,585 For killing Malcolm, to free Norman... 329 00:18:09,673 --> 00:18:11,843 He passed away in 2005, 330 00:18:11,925 --> 00:18:14,085 but I dug up an old interview he did 331 00:18:14,178 --> 00:18:16,428 with a television producer in the mid-90s. 332 00:18:16,513 --> 00:18:17,893 Norman was innocent. 333 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,769 You couldn't have paid him to walk through those doors, 334 00:18:21,852 --> 00:18:24,442 or Johnson, because we knew them. 335 00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:26,151 We knew what they were capable of. 336 00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:29,401 We were in charge of who came through that door, 337 00:18:30,736 --> 00:18:33,106 and we knew every Muslim at Number 7, 338 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:35,034 and Norman and Johnson 339 00:18:35,115 --> 00:18:38,575 was as familiar as we were there with each other. 340 00:18:39,244 --> 00:18:42,164 But Benjamin Karim was never called to testify. 341 00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:43,417 So they were innocent. 342 00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:45,328 They were railroaded into prison. 343 00:18:46,251 --> 00:18:47,841 And Malcolm would not have wanted, 344 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,590 no matter how much they hated him, 345 00:18:50,464 --> 00:18:53,094 someone to go to prison for his death, 346 00:18:53,175 --> 00:18:54,635 and they were innocent. 347 00:18:57,012 --> 00:18:59,012 I couldn't have walked in that ballroom. 348 00:18:59,097 --> 00:19:01,017 - Right. Right. - Period. 349 00:19:01,099 --> 00:19:04,479 Everybody in security for Malcolm that day, 350 00:19:04,561 --> 00:19:06,361 I worked with. I soldiered with. 351 00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:07,688 I knew them and they knew me. 352 00:19:08,357 --> 00:19:10,607 I couldn't have walked in the place, so-- 353 00:19:10,692 --> 00:19:12,152 You would've been immediately recognized. 354 00:19:12,236 --> 00:19:14,396 I worked with all of them. 355 00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:19,121 I worked with all of them. Every day. 356 00:19:19,201 --> 00:19:22,621 And of course, the cops know that because BOSS, right? 357 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:23,964 Bureau of Special Services. 358 00:19:24,039 --> 00:19:27,039 BOSS was all over Harlem, and they was in the Nation. 359 00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:30,671 So, the BOSS knows that, so the police knows that. 360 00:19:30,754 --> 00:19:33,674 They knew that I didn't do it. I couldn't have done it. 361 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:37,220 If I wanted to do it, I couldn't have done it. 362 00:19:37,845 --> 00:19:39,805 So that means they knew what they were doing 363 00:19:39,888 --> 00:19:41,178 when they put me in jail. 364 00:19:41,265 --> 00:19:42,635 If there was no police misconduct, 365 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:45,194 what was it? What do you call it? 366 00:19:50,315 --> 00:19:52,105 Two weeks after the anniversary 367 00:19:52,192 --> 00:19:54,032 of Malcolm X's assassination, 368 00:19:54,111 --> 00:19:55,701 I went to the scene of the tragedy, 369 00:19:55,779 --> 00:19:58,489 the Audubon Ballroom in Upper Manhattan. 370 00:19:58,574 --> 00:20:00,244 Although 20 years had gone by, 371 00:20:00,325 --> 00:20:04,035 a strange pall hung over the all-but-abandoned hall. 372 00:20:04,121 --> 00:20:07,711 I was able to convince writer Peter Bailey to come to the ballroom. 373 00:20:07,791 --> 00:20:10,501 Gil Noble had this incredible show on WABC-TV 374 00:20:10,586 --> 00:20:12,126 in New York called Like It Is. 375 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:14,552 He wanted to interview me in the Audubon Ballroom, 376 00:20:15,132 --> 00:20:17,472 which I had sworn to never set foot in again. 377 00:20:18,427 --> 00:20:20,257 Still very visual to me. 378 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:23,305 Uh... I feel a little shaky, 379 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:27,020 because the place really has, uh, 380 00:20:27,102 --> 00:20:29,102 you know, bad memories as far as I'm concerned. 381 00:20:29,188 --> 00:20:31,148 I mean it was weird, you know, 382 00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:33,691 I just did not like being there. 383 00:20:33,775 --> 00:20:36,735 We repositioned the chairs where the audience sat 384 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:38,950 and cleared the stage from which Malcolm stood 385 00:20:39,031 --> 00:20:40,741 before being gunned down. 386 00:20:40,824 --> 00:20:44,164 The workmen, miraculously, dug up the actual lectern 387 00:20:44,244 --> 00:20:45,834 behind which Malcolm stood that day. 388 00:20:45,913 --> 00:20:48,793 And one of the things I see is this, 389 00:20:48,874 --> 00:20:50,634 I guess it's called a rostrum, 390 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:53,250 and you could see bullet holes in it 391 00:20:53,337 --> 00:20:55,087 and then chalk marks surrounding them. 392 00:20:55,172 --> 00:20:57,092 The bullet holes were still visible. 393 00:20:57,925 --> 00:21:02,465 And he had found this in the basement at the Audubon. 394 00:21:03,597 --> 00:21:04,927 And to me when I saw it, 395 00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:08,055 that just kind of confirmed my belief 396 00:21:08,143 --> 00:21:10,483 that they never had any intentions 397 00:21:10,562 --> 00:21:13,822 of seriously investigating that assassination. 398 00:21:13,899 --> 00:21:16,149 Why would you leave a piece of evidence like that? 399 00:21:16,235 --> 00:21:18,485 All those years, it had been down there 400 00:21:19,905 --> 00:21:21,315 in the basement. 401 00:21:27,829 --> 00:21:29,079 If we want to understand 402 00:21:29,164 --> 00:21:32,134 the New York City Police Department's involvement 403 00:21:32,209 --> 00:21:34,039 in Malcolm's assassination, 404 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:36,337 you got to go back a few days before, 405 00:21:36,421 --> 00:21:37,841 actually a week before. 406 00:21:37,923 --> 00:21:39,343 Because what happened a week before 407 00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:41,184 is that Malcolm's house was firebombed. 408 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:47,022 While Malcolm X, his wife, 409 00:21:47,099 --> 00:21:48,479 and their four children slept, 410 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,189 three Molotov cocktails were thrown into the house. 411 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:52,480 The property was badly damaged. 412 00:21:52,563 --> 00:21:54,653 I remember him pushing me out of the bedroom, 413 00:21:54,731 --> 00:21:56,821 and I saw all of the fire. 414 00:21:56,900 --> 00:22:00,200 My husband brought the baby to me and told me to stand. 415 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:02,359 Then he brought my other children to me. 416 00:22:03,115 --> 00:22:04,985 Had that fire gone through that window, 417 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:07,115 it would have fallen on a six-year-old girl, 418 00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:09,792 a four-year-old girl, and a two-year-old girl. 419 00:22:09,872 --> 00:22:11,542 And if you attack me, that's one thing. 420 00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:13,923 I know what to do when you start attacking me. 421 00:22:14,001 --> 00:22:16,131 But when you attack sleeping babies, 422 00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:18,171 why, you are lower than a god... 423 00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:25,760 He blames the Muslims on the firebombing 424 00:22:25,846 --> 00:22:28,176 of his New York home. Do you have a comment on that? 425 00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:31,232 It looks to me like he did the job himself. 426 00:22:32,603 --> 00:22:36,233 There was a bottle of gasoline 427 00:22:36,315 --> 00:22:38,275 that was found in his house! 428 00:22:39,109 --> 00:22:43,909 We believe that it was put there by either a police person 429 00:22:43,989 --> 00:22:46,909 or somebody in a fireman's uniform. 430 00:22:46,992 --> 00:22:48,452 Eventually what happens is that 431 00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:52,205 the NYPD begins to go off the record to reporters. 432 00:22:52,289 --> 00:22:55,039 And saying, you know, 433 00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:57,415 "This is suspicious. You know, we're not sure 434 00:22:57,503 --> 00:23:01,843 if a firebombing actually took place. 435 00:23:01,924 --> 00:23:04,094 Malcolm may possibly have done this 436 00:23:04,176 --> 00:23:05,886 for a publicity stunt." 437 00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:08,678 It sends out the message 438 00:23:08,764 --> 00:23:12,734 that you don't have to take Malcolm's security that serious 439 00:23:12,809 --> 00:23:16,359 because he's willing to bomb his own house. 440 00:23:16,438 --> 00:23:17,808 You know what the temperature was? 441 00:23:17,898 --> 00:23:19,318 It was about 15 or 20. 442 00:23:19,399 --> 00:23:21,569 I stood in my underwear, 443 00:23:21,652 --> 00:23:24,072 bare feet, in the middle of my driveway 444 00:23:24,154 --> 00:23:26,664 with a gun in my hand for 45 minutes 445 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:27,870 waiting for the police, 446 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:29,910 or waiting for the fire department to come. 447 00:23:29,993 --> 00:23:31,333 If I want to put on a show, 448 00:23:31,411 --> 00:23:33,871 I could find a better way than that to put it on. 449 00:23:35,332 --> 00:23:38,252 Even before their house was firebombed, 450 00:23:38,335 --> 00:23:40,335 Malcolm and his family had plenty of reasons 451 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:42,130 not to trust the NYPD. 452 00:23:43,131 --> 00:23:44,471 Has anyone threatened you? 453 00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:46,180 That's all I get is threats. 454 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:50,350 And I called the 114th precinct a few days ago. 455 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:53,230 They informed me that it was nothing they could do, you know. 456 00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:56,404 But in those final weeks, 457 00:23:56,478 --> 00:24:00,268 it was clear Malcolm was in dire need of protection. 458 00:24:00,983 --> 00:24:03,113 It was also clear that he wasn't getting it. 459 00:24:07,197 --> 00:24:10,237 That is part of the complex tragedy 460 00:24:10,325 --> 00:24:12,945 of Malcolm, but of being black in America. 461 00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:15,456 Martin Luther King has been to jail. 462 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,039 James Farmer has been to jail. 463 00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:20,665 Why, you can't name a black man in this country 464 00:24:20,752 --> 00:24:24,052 who is sick and tired of the hell that he's catching 465 00:24:24,131 --> 00:24:25,471 who hasn't been to jail. 466 00:24:26,925 --> 00:24:29,885 To turn to the people or the system 467 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:33,060 that inflicted damage on you to protect you... 468 00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:34,890 Like, how crazy is that? 469 00:24:34,975 --> 00:24:37,345 So the policemen in this country 470 00:24:37,436 --> 00:24:41,056 are the ones who are responsible for the brutality. 471 00:24:41,148 --> 00:24:44,398 The policemen themselves have become guilty 472 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:46,494 of violating the rights of the people. 473 00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:48,490 So what are the people to do? 474 00:24:48,572 --> 00:24:50,202 Call upon the same ones 475 00:24:50,282 --> 00:24:52,242 who are victimizing them to protect them? 476 00:24:52,326 --> 00:24:53,486 No! 477 00:24:55,454 --> 00:24:56,914 They have to protect themselves. 478 00:24:56,997 --> 00:24:58,327 Excuse me for raising my voice. 479 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:00,575 They have to protect themselves. But I get excited... 480 00:25:00,667 --> 00:25:03,337 You knew he was in grave, mortal danger? 481 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:04,880 No question. 482 00:25:06,757 --> 00:25:10,137 Didn't you see yourselves as duty-bound to protect this man 483 00:25:10,219 --> 00:25:12,139 from an imminent death threat? 484 00:25:12,221 --> 00:25:16,931 Not, uh... I wouldn't say I didn't see that. 485 00:25:17,017 --> 00:25:18,847 All I could see was the expense. 486 00:25:19,728 --> 00:25:21,228 That's really all I could see. 487 00:25:22,814 --> 00:25:28,614 "We can't afford it." It's 24/7, cops, detectives... 488 00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:32,525 Can't do it. But we know he's in danger, 489 00:25:32,616 --> 00:25:34,826 and we are duty-bound to acknowledge it. 490 00:25:35,911 --> 00:25:40,421 So it was then that I struck my cleverest note. 491 00:25:40,499 --> 00:25:43,749 I said, "Your answer is obvious. 492 00:25:44,503 --> 00:25:47,763 We'll all go off, tell him that his life is in danger. 493 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,340 We'll offer him security, he will decline it, 494 00:25:51,426 --> 00:25:53,176 and we need to document that." 495 00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:56,515 If you look carefully through 496 00:25:56,598 --> 00:25:59,388 the New York City Police Archives, 497 00:25:59,476 --> 00:26:02,476 you will see a document where we offered him security 498 00:26:02,563 --> 00:26:03,693 and he declined it. 499 00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:07,570 So it was a cynical gesture, for sure. 500 00:26:08,318 --> 00:26:09,528 A cynical gesture? 501 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:10,611 Yes. 502 00:26:11,572 --> 00:26:13,072 A cynical gesture. 503 00:26:13,156 --> 00:26:17,946 Me offering him something I knew he would refuse, 504 00:26:18,036 --> 00:26:20,956 and that I expected and wanted him to refuse. 505 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,169 Why did you know he would refuse it? 506 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,960 I knew Malcolm. That's why. 507 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:29,209 I think people should question 508 00:26:29,298 --> 00:26:32,378 some of the police who investigated the bombing out there that night, 509 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:34,547 and let them give their story as to whether or not 510 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:36,006 I could have set those bombs. 511 00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:38,516 Malcolm did not trust the police. 512 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:42,729 And so he did not take security the way that it was needed. 513 00:26:44,104 --> 00:26:47,444 And what ultimately happens is, a week later, 514 00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:50,444 his security is going to be compromised. 515 00:26:50,527 --> 00:26:51,947 And who compromises it? 516 00:26:52,029 --> 00:26:54,069 The New York City Police Department. 517 00:26:54,156 --> 00:26:56,446 And once his security was compromised, 518 00:26:56,533 --> 00:26:58,793 he was basically a sitting duck. 519 00:26:58,869 --> 00:27:00,789 Do you think New York Police are providing 520 00:27:00,871 --> 00:27:04,041 enough protection, or do you feel that you have to provide your own? 521 00:27:04,124 --> 00:27:06,174 Do I feel that the New York Police are providing 522 00:27:06,251 --> 00:27:08,051 enough protection, or do I have to have 523 00:27:08,128 --> 00:27:10,128 protection of my own? 524 00:27:10,214 --> 00:27:12,764 I look for protection from Allah. 525 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,930 My guest tonight, Malcolm X, 526 00:27:22,017 --> 00:27:23,937 once the number two man in the Black Muslims, 527 00:27:24,019 --> 00:27:25,599 now broken with Elijah Muhammad. 528 00:27:25,687 --> 00:27:27,897 He says he's a marked man and that a number of attempts 529 00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:29,071 have been made on his life. 530 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:30,819 You say five different attempts recently. 531 00:27:30,901 --> 00:27:33,071 - How were they attempted? - Yes, um, 532 00:27:33,153 --> 00:27:34,113 more than five. 533 00:27:34,196 --> 00:27:35,906 Malcolm was a U.S. citizen. 534 00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:39,659 He was also a very high-profile, public personality. 535 00:27:41,537 --> 00:27:43,787 He was under constant threat. 536 00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:46,214 He was being followed. 537 00:27:47,459 --> 00:27:51,169 And the authorities had a responsibility, I believe, 538 00:27:51,255 --> 00:27:53,585 to protect his life at all costs. 539 00:27:53,674 --> 00:27:56,474 I am very happy to be here this evening. 540 00:27:57,469 --> 00:28:00,809 And I'm thankful for the invitation to come here to Detroit. 541 00:28:02,349 --> 00:28:05,269 Uh, I was in a house last night that was bombed, my own. 542 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,270 Excuse me if I keep coughing like that, 543 00:28:10,357 --> 00:28:12,317 but I got some of that smoke last night... 544 00:28:12,401 --> 00:28:14,321 During that last week or so, 545 00:28:14,403 --> 00:28:16,533 Malcolm was unraveled. 546 00:28:17,573 --> 00:28:18,573 He wondered, I think, 547 00:28:18,657 --> 00:28:20,617 how his family was going to be taken care of. 548 00:28:20,701 --> 00:28:22,701 And when this explosion took place, 549 00:28:22,786 --> 00:28:24,706 in trying to get my family out of the house, 550 00:28:24,788 --> 00:28:26,578 none of us stopped for any clothes. 551 00:28:26,665 --> 00:28:29,915 The only thing I could get my hands on is what I have on now. 552 00:28:30,002 --> 00:28:33,882 He was homeless. He was literally homeless. 553 00:28:33,964 --> 00:28:37,054 And I was told by his personal secretary 554 00:28:37,134 --> 00:28:39,974 that he didn't even have 150 dollars to his name. 555 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,972 He couldn't even buy an insurance policy. 556 00:28:44,016 --> 00:28:46,476 No insurance company would sell him a policy. 557 00:28:49,062 --> 00:28:50,522 It was coming. 558 00:28:51,148 --> 00:28:52,728 And he knew it was coming 559 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:54,986 and everyone else knew it was coming. 560 00:28:56,445 --> 00:28:59,905 He said, "It will all be over soon." 561 00:29:05,621 --> 00:29:09,501 It was clear that he was under enormous pressure, 562 00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:16,470 and that leads me to that February morning. 563 00:29:20,802 --> 00:29:22,392 It was Sunday morning. 564 00:29:25,474 --> 00:29:28,734 It was a cold, bitterly cold morning, I remember. 565 00:29:32,231 --> 00:29:36,031 That Sunday, there were just all kinds of signs... 566 00:29:37,694 --> 00:29:41,244 that something was going on. 567 00:29:47,579 --> 00:29:51,329 Death was all over Malcolm that whole day. 568 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,670 The deterrent effect 569 00:29:58,757 --> 00:30:01,967 of having law enforcement present was not there. 570 00:30:04,429 --> 00:30:07,309 On that day, there were two uniformed officers 571 00:30:07,391 --> 00:30:11,651 and they're kind of upstairs, away from the crowd. 572 00:30:13,188 --> 00:30:14,898 If anything-- 573 00:30:14,982 --> 00:30:17,362 the man's house was firebombed the previous week-- 574 00:30:17,442 --> 00:30:19,192 you add more security! 575 00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:22,610 There was virtually no security. 576 00:30:25,868 --> 00:30:27,908 The last time you cased the joint, 577 00:30:27,995 --> 00:30:29,825 - police were there, you knew that the... - If... If... 578 00:30:29,913 --> 00:30:32,173 If... If... It would have been a deterrent 579 00:30:32,249 --> 00:30:35,419 if the officer was stationed in such a position 580 00:30:35,502 --> 00:30:39,462 that it could have affected the situation of entering. 581 00:30:39,548 --> 00:30:42,718 It would have been a deterrent if, uh, there was a search at the door. 582 00:30:43,552 --> 00:30:45,512 Um, it could have been a deterrent, 583 00:30:45,596 --> 00:30:48,016 um, in that respect. 584 00:30:48,098 --> 00:30:50,638 You know... Entering the place would have been impossible 585 00:30:50,726 --> 00:30:52,186 under those circumstances. 586 00:30:52,269 --> 00:30:54,439 But none of this happened. 587 00:30:54,521 --> 00:30:57,321 Tell me where you sat. 588 00:30:58,734 --> 00:31:00,444 Down in front, in the front row, 589 00:31:00,527 --> 00:31:03,157 uh, basically, on the left-hand side 590 00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:05,368 close to the front of the stage. 591 00:31:06,783 --> 00:31:08,703 No officers in sight. 592 00:31:08,785 --> 00:31:13,075 No security procedure to get into the ballroom. 593 00:31:14,833 --> 00:31:17,843 The assassins just walked in there, 594 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,550 and Malcolm's security coordinator, 595 00:31:21,632 --> 00:31:22,972 a man named Gene Roberts, 596 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:27,800 had only a small security force to protect Malcolm. 597 00:31:29,139 --> 00:31:31,849 I was part of the front rostrum guards, 598 00:31:31,934 --> 00:31:34,604 the guards that stand in front of the stage, 599 00:31:35,395 --> 00:31:38,475 and when Malcolm came into the ballroom that Sunday, 600 00:31:38,565 --> 00:31:42,105 I escorted him in the back to a little office area. 601 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,530 As the rally started to form up, 602 00:31:48,659 --> 00:31:52,369 I noticed three people sitting on the front row 603 00:31:52,454 --> 00:31:54,214 reading newspapers. 604 00:31:54,915 --> 00:31:59,995 I didn't bother to mention it because they were there before I got there, 605 00:32:00,754 --> 00:32:03,174 and I figured they had already been checked out. 606 00:32:12,516 --> 00:32:16,016 Just as Malcolm was being introduced... 607 00:32:16,603 --> 00:32:18,193 - Salaam-alaikum. - Alaikum-Salaam. 608 00:32:18,272 --> 00:32:20,152 Get your hand out of my pocket! 609 00:32:21,316 --> 00:32:24,356 Hold it, hold it, hold it... 610 00:32:25,195 --> 00:32:28,485 Two individuals started a commotion, 611 00:32:28,574 --> 00:32:31,544 and I started walking towards them. 612 00:32:33,495 --> 00:32:36,035 And the next thing I know, I see these guys firing shots. 613 00:32:39,168 --> 00:32:41,248 And everybody panicked. 614 00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:43,756 People were knocking over chairs, running out. 615 00:32:44,715 --> 00:32:47,425 Two of the individuals ran right by me, 616 00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:50,139 and the last guy, I hit him with the chair. 617 00:32:50,762 --> 00:32:53,562 He stumbles, he gets up, he runs outside. 618 00:32:59,146 --> 00:33:01,316 I went straight to the stage, 619 00:33:03,358 --> 00:33:04,778 felt Malcolm's pulse. 620 00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:07,277 He still had one, but it was weak. 621 00:33:08,739 --> 00:33:10,869 And then I started to, um... 622 00:33:10,949 --> 00:33:12,699 started to give him mouth-to-mouth. 623 00:33:14,661 --> 00:33:16,411 After maybe about five minutes, 624 00:33:16,496 --> 00:33:19,416 uh, not wanting to tell Betty that he was dead, 625 00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:21,539 I told Betty that, um, 626 00:33:21,627 --> 00:33:23,247 "I'm getting a little dizzy." 627 00:33:23,337 --> 00:33:24,917 Maybe somebody else could try. 628 00:33:25,881 --> 00:33:29,591 At that point, she got on her knees next to him, 629 00:33:30,385 --> 00:33:32,345 but it was too late. 630 00:33:37,643 --> 00:33:39,023 Mrs. Shabazz, do you believe 631 00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:41,812 it was the Black Muslims who assassinated your husband? 632 00:33:45,609 --> 00:33:47,569 Do you think, ma'am, that this assassination 633 00:33:47,653 --> 00:33:50,953 is likely to touch off reprisals against Black Muslims 634 00:33:51,031 --> 00:33:52,741 by Malcolm's followers? 635 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,120 Will you make any effort at all 636 00:33:57,204 --> 00:33:58,874 to continue your husband's work? 637 00:34:01,917 --> 00:34:03,037 What do you see as the future 638 00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:04,246 of your husband's movement, ma'am? 639 00:34:04,336 --> 00:34:06,206 Do you think it will continue without him? 640 00:34:08,924 --> 00:34:10,474 Since the bombing of your home, 641 00:34:10,551 --> 00:34:13,511 have the police made any effort to offer you protection? 642 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,230 If Malcolm's assassins are caught, 643 00:34:18,308 --> 00:34:20,188 what do you think should be done with them? 644 00:34:24,022 --> 00:34:26,322 Did you start to reply to the question 645 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,690 about the police protection? 646 00:34:27,776 --> 00:34:30,276 Did they make any effort at all to offer you protection? 647 00:34:31,655 --> 00:34:34,405 Well, I guess they did make an effort, yes. 648 00:34:34,491 --> 00:34:37,371 Did they offer you a bodyguard or anything like that? 649 00:34:38,161 --> 00:34:40,661 - No. - Do you want police protection? 650 00:34:51,967 --> 00:34:55,137 After he tried and failed to save his boss' life, 651 00:34:55,929 --> 00:34:58,519 Gene Roberts left the Audubon. 652 00:34:59,933 --> 00:35:03,233 I couldn't feel anything until I got home... 653 00:35:05,439 --> 00:35:07,859 after which, I start shaking like a leaf. 654 00:35:09,151 --> 00:35:13,781 My mom and dad was visibly upset. 655 00:35:16,241 --> 00:35:19,241 And, you know, they asked me if I was all right and everything. 656 00:35:19,328 --> 00:35:20,618 I said, "Yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine." 657 00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:23,294 I told them I had to make a couple of phone calls. 658 00:35:25,292 --> 00:35:27,002 I called my supervisor up. 659 00:35:27,794 --> 00:35:31,174 I told him, uh, that Malcolm had been shot. 660 00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:36,090 I was told to come into the office the next morning, 661 00:35:36,929 --> 00:35:39,259 which was Bureau of Special Services. 662 00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:44,690 It's true. 663 00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:47,610 Gene Roberts was one of those operatives 664 00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:51,609 working for the NYPD in the Bureau of Special Services 665 00:35:51,693 --> 00:35:56,073 who was put in to various black groups. 666 00:35:56,657 --> 00:35:59,327 If there's any doubt whether the NYPD 667 00:35:59,409 --> 00:36:02,749 really cared about the fate of Malcolm and his family, 668 00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:05,459 the story of Gene Roberts puts it to rest. 669 00:36:06,542 --> 00:36:10,592 Roberts was an undercover police officer. 670 00:36:10,671 --> 00:36:15,051 He belonged to a very secretive unit within the NYPD. 671 00:36:15,884 --> 00:36:19,394 He had managed to infiltrate Malcolm's organization, 672 00:36:19,471 --> 00:36:23,851 and he rose to the position of personal bodyguard 673 00:36:23,934 --> 00:36:25,314 and security for Malcolm. 674 00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:29,191 I had never done anything of this nature before. 675 00:36:30,357 --> 00:36:33,027 But at that time, I had a pregnant wife, 676 00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:35,360 and hey, it's a job, and let's go out and do it. 677 00:36:37,948 --> 00:36:39,618 We wanted someone 678 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:43,540 to infiltrate Malcolm's new organization. 679 00:36:44,496 --> 00:36:46,996 We didn't know where Malcolm was going, 680 00:36:47,082 --> 00:36:48,212 or what he was going to do, 681 00:36:48,292 --> 00:36:50,092 or whether he was going to break the law. 682 00:36:50,711 --> 00:36:52,841 We just figured out what we needed. 683 00:36:54,047 --> 00:36:58,887 Black male, no roots in the police department, no relatives. 684 00:37:00,137 --> 00:37:01,847 And, uh, we'd say, 685 00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:05,430 "We'll induct you into the police department on January 1." 686 00:37:06,435 --> 00:37:10,015 But you never get a uniform, never get a gun. 687 00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:12,319 You'd never even get sworn in! 688 00:37:13,692 --> 00:37:17,912 Nobody knows you except a particular little group 689 00:37:18,405 --> 00:37:21,195 which was Bureau of Special Services. 690 00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:25,083 I didn't know whether I had backup or not, 691 00:37:25,162 --> 00:37:26,212 I was just out there. 692 00:37:27,414 --> 00:37:29,294 Far as I know, I was out there by myself. 693 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:33,379 Malcolm thought that the police department 694 00:37:33,462 --> 00:37:37,722 was monitoring him, but in a very obvious way. 695 00:37:38,675 --> 00:37:42,175 I don't think he understood that his closest associate 696 00:37:42,262 --> 00:37:43,602 was working for us. 697 00:37:46,183 --> 00:37:48,393 Turns out, not only did Malcolm not know 698 00:37:48,477 --> 00:37:52,937 about Roberts, the prosecution in the case didn't either. 699 00:37:53,023 --> 00:37:57,073 Which means that Roberts was never interviewed for the investigation, 700 00:37:57,152 --> 00:37:59,402 even though he was right there. 701 00:38:00,572 --> 00:38:02,872 I like to think that he was standing on post, 702 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:04,830 facing out at the audience, 703 00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:09,460 and he could see all of the faces in that audience of 400 people, 704 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,750 including the faces of the five assassins. 705 00:38:14,002 --> 00:38:18,632 I didn't know about him. I was never told about him, okay? 706 00:38:18,715 --> 00:38:21,585 At the time, in charge of the investigation, 707 00:38:21,677 --> 00:38:24,557 I knew nothing about the existence of this man. Nothing. 708 00:38:26,682 --> 00:38:29,182 They wanted to protect his identity, 709 00:38:30,477 --> 00:38:32,347 but they sure protected it from me. 710 00:38:32,437 --> 00:38:34,307 I don't know what side they thought I was on, 711 00:38:34,398 --> 00:38:36,648 but I didn't know anything about him. 712 00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:49,041 There was a LIFE magazine article, 713 00:38:49,121 --> 00:38:52,581 uh, which there's a picture of Gene Roberts 714 00:38:52,666 --> 00:38:56,296 giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to Malcolm X 715 00:38:56,378 --> 00:38:57,878 after he had been shot. 716 00:38:58,797 --> 00:39:00,587 Pretty shocking thing. 717 00:39:00,674 --> 00:39:05,304 Nobody knew that he was an intelligence operative. 718 00:39:05,387 --> 00:39:10,477 Nobody ever knew he was there! 719 00:39:12,728 --> 00:39:14,808 I didn't sleep well that night. 720 00:39:17,441 --> 00:39:19,941 The next day, I get called down by the department, 721 00:39:20,027 --> 00:39:22,277 and the basic question was, 722 00:39:22,362 --> 00:39:23,612 "Why did you do that?" 723 00:39:23,697 --> 00:39:25,277 Knocked a guy down with a chair, 724 00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:27,235 give Malcolm mouth-to-mouth. 725 00:39:27,326 --> 00:39:29,786 And I told them that my only reasoning was 726 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:32,960 because I was a cop, and it was my job 727 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,210 to possibly save lives if I could. 728 00:39:35,792 --> 00:39:38,212 What am I supposed to do? Just let him lay there and die? 729 00:39:42,216 --> 00:39:43,716 Why would you do that? 730 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,350 You're a cop. He's a thug, 731 00:39:46,428 --> 00:39:50,218 and you're giving him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. 732 00:39:50,307 --> 00:39:51,887 Inappropriate. 733 00:39:51,975 --> 00:39:55,645 This is them, we are us. We don't do that. 734 00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:58,400 You're not there to be Malcolm's friend. 735 00:39:58,482 --> 00:40:00,322 You're there to monitor his behavior, 736 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,030 or maybe lead to his arrest. 737 00:40:04,404 --> 00:40:06,454 They're not autonomous agents. 738 00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:09,791 These are spies and tools. 739 00:40:09,868 --> 00:40:12,578 They're not even allowed to think. 740 00:40:13,622 --> 00:40:16,252 They're only there to observe and report. 741 00:40:18,085 --> 00:40:20,295 So, thinking is dangerous. 742 00:40:24,216 --> 00:40:25,966 Somebody in the executive level 743 00:40:26,051 --> 00:40:27,471 obviously made a decision 744 00:40:27,553 --> 00:40:30,063 that they did not want to surface this man. 745 00:40:30,556 --> 00:40:32,346 Maybe they were afraid that if they told me, 746 00:40:32,432 --> 00:40:34,982 I would've insisted that he be a witness. 747 00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:37,350 I don't know. I don't even know what he would've said, 748 00:40:37,437 --> 00:40:40,317 because... I never even got to see him. 749 00:40:46,154 --> 00:40:48,374 If the NYPD had an agent 750 00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:50,078 in the Audubon that day, 751 00:40:50,158 --> 00:40:52,828 close enough to give him mouth-to-mouth, 752 00:40:54,037 --> 00:40:57,577 it makes me wonder who else law enforcement had on the inside 753 00:40:57,666 --> 00:40:59,246 that nobody knows about. 754 00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:08,089 Sunday afternoon, I was listening to music 755 00:41:09,261 --> 00:41:10,681 and Malcolm was shot. 756 00:41:12,222 --> 00:41:14,732 I got up, went upstairs, started to get dressed. 757 00:41:14,808 --> 00:41:16,098 Mary said, "Where are you going?" 758 00:41:16,185 --> 00:41:17,765 I said, "I'm going to work." 759 00:41:19,688 --> 00:41:21,438 She said, "The office hasn't called." 760 00:41:21,523 --> 00:41:22,903 I said, "They will." 761 00:41:25,652 --> 00:41:27,912 The phone rang and I heard her say, 762 00:41:27,988 --> 00:41:30,618 "He's on his way, he just left." 763 00:41:35,913 --> 00:41:37,543 The whole squad was called in. 764 00:41:37,623 --> 00:41:41,883 And the supervisor sent me to be liaison 765 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,510 with the police department on the investigation. 766 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,340 Did the Bureau have anybody in the Audubon Ballroom that day? 767 00:41:52,304 --> 00:41:53,394 Nine informants. 768 00:41:53,472 --> 00:41:54,312 Nine? 769 00:41:54,389 --> 00:41:57,729 Nine informants. I had nine informants. 770 00:41:58,894 --> 00:42:00,734 We got a report from all of them. 771 00:42:01,772 --> 00:42:03,272 A couple of them just quit. 772 00:42:04,107 --> 00:42:06,527 The shooting was more than they bargained for. 773 00:42:07,694 --> 00:42:10,204 Chief, were there any plainclothesmen in the audience? 774 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,160 No, there were not. 775 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,460 If Gene Roberts had been allowed to take the stand 776 00:42:27,548 --> 00:42:29,088 at Malcolm's trial, 777 00:42:29,174 --> 00:42:31,894 would he have been able to identify the man with the shotgun? 778 00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:34,390 We'll never know. 779 00:42:36,557 --> 00:42:39,267 William Bradley, Al-Mustafa Shabazz, 780 00:42:39,935 --> 00:42:41,805 if he was in fact the shotgun assassin, 781 00:42:42,521 --> 00:42:44,651 he walked out of the Audubon that day, 782 00:42:46,191 --> 00:42:48,611 and disappeared into obscurity. 66325

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