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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,880 Obesity is an epidemic 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,880 happening right here in the UK right now. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,000 Honestly, the first thing I'd say is that I’m a big girl. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,520 How my friends would describe me would be large, fat probably. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,520 I don’t like to use the word fat. 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,800 But at the end of the day, that is what I have inside me. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,040 I have a large amount of extra fat. 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,480 We all know what fat looks like on the outside. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,960 I think of cellulite, 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,400 rolls, big thighs, 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,840 big arms. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,640 If you’re Kim Kardashian, you can have a really fat arse. 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,280 I’ve got a fat stomach, 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,080 she’s got a fat arse. 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,200 But what if we could see what fat looks like from the inside? 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Do we have any idea of the damage obesity is doing under our skin? 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,240 When you say to somebody, well, it is affecting your health, 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,480 you know, show me, I can’t see inside, 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,760 I can’t see what is happening inside me. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,960 BBC3 has secured the first televised access to a full post-mortem 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,920 on an obese person whose body was donated to medical science. 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,480 This summer, our pathology team assembled 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,120 to reveal, from the inside, 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,640 the dangers of us all getting too fat. 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,640 Post-mortems are tightly controlled 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,200 and access to them is strictly limited 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,440 to protect the privacy and dignity of the deceased. 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,040 Filming is not usually allowed. 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,080 But for this post-mortem we have been allowed in 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,360 to help understand a problem 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,720 that costs the nation billions and ruins so many lives. Obesity. 32 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Carla Valentine and Dr Mike Osborn 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,760 are the specialist team responsible for carrying out the post-mortem. 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Carla is an Anatomical Pathology Technologist 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,880 and Technical Curator of the Pathology Museum 36 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,400 at London’s Queen Mary University. 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,000 For this post-mortem, I will be carrying out the evisceration, 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,440 which means removing all of the organs. 39 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,640 Being part of a filmed post-mortem is a very unique opportunity. 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Death terrifies some people, 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,240 but what it also does is it 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,600 eventually gives you a real sense of the fragility of life. 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,080 The topic of obesity is a huge problem, 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,160 and it’s something that I get to see quite a lot, 45 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,720 but it’s not something I get to study in depth. 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Mike is a Consultant Pathologist 47 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,760 and Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists. 48 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,520 He’s been working with death and disease for over 20 years. 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Obesity is very much there, 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,080 it's seen, but I think it’s very, very poorly understood. 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,480 It seemed that making this film would be a way of exploring that 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,600 and allowing a broader public 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,240 to learn about the problems that are associated with obesity. 54 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,520 Carla and Mike have performed thousands of post-mortems, 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 but always behind closed doors. 56 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,280 Today, we’ll witness what really happens in an autopsy 57 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,600 and discover what the body of our donor 58 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,160 can tell us about the creeping effects of obesity over time. 59 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,320 We don’t know this woman's name, 60 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,960 but we do know a few details about her. 61 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,200 She was in her early 60s. 62 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,360 5'5". Almost 17 stone. 63 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,640 And, just like a quarter of people in the UK, clinically obese. 64 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,840 But where did she come from? 65 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,080 And how did she end up here 66 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,720 on a post 67 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,000 Long Beach, on the West Coast of the United States. Glamorous, sunny, carefree California. 68 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,560 But away from the beach, 69 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,240 on an anonymous industrial estate on the outskirts of the city, 70 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,240 is where our donor began her journey to the post-mortem table. 71 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,640 This is a place where people who donate their body 72 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,840 to essential medical science are brought when they die. 73 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:55,600 Up to 20 donated bodies, or cadavers, 74 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,720 a day come through these doors 75 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,960 destined for thousands of medical research projects all over the world. 76 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,560 My name is Randall Delgado. 77 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:10,320 I’m 29. My main role now would be in charge of distribution. 78 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,560 Some days, you know, we have an order for cadavers going to Lebanon 79 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,160 and so then we have to start checking on them... How are they looking? 80 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:20,920 Are they firm? Is there mould growing on them? 81 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,240 You gotta be a certain breed of person to be able to do this. 82 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,680 At first, I’d be like, "Ooh," 83 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,680 but eventually you get used to it. 84 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,800 I’m Kelsy, I’m 32 and I live in Costa Mesa, California. 85 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,800 We perform a procurement on each donor that comes in, 86 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,560 which entails us dissecting 87 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,600 different specimens from each donor. 88 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:45,520 We get to dissect the brain, take certain parts of the brain, 89 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,080 internal organs, or taking 90 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,040 veins and arteries, different parts of the eye... 91 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,120 The job itself can still be pretty taboo. 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,320 I mean, even when I first came here, I wasn’t exactly sure what they did. 93 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,200 I knew they recovered tissue, 94 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,440 but I didn’t know like to the extreme of like 95 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,520 really recovering almost everything. 96 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,720 Our donor was processed here, in preparation for her final trip. 97 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Her left arm was removed for cremation, 98 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,960 and its ashes returned to her family in California. 99 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,840 The rest of her body was frozen, 100 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,440 placed in a body bag, 101 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,120 boxed and labelled for transportation to London. 102 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,280 From here, she made her last car journey 103 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,360 through the streets of California. 104 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,360 She was loaded into the hold of a plane 105 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,680 and carried 5,000 miles from her home. 106 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,720 And finally she arrived in London. 107 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,880 Her body remained in a cool chamber for ten days 108 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,560 to allow it to thaw completely 109 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,160 before it was brought to the post-mortem table. 110 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,760 The first stage of every post-mortem, 111 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:05,880 before any cut is made to the flesh, 112 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,560 is an external examination of the body. 113 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,200 The donor’s ID number is confirmed against her medical record, 114 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,560 which details the cause of her death, 115 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,040 heart disease, 116 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,240 and that she’d only had minor surgery and drank minimal alcohol. 117 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,040 But what will her body go on to reveal about the way that she died? 118 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,560 This lady has died of heart disease, 119 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,360 which is one of the things that is associated with obesity. 120 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,560 And interestingly already in this lady, we’ve got signs of heart failure, 121 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,280 because if I press here, particularly on this side, 122 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,520 you can see this dimpling there 123 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,160 and that’s because there’s you’ve got too much fluid, 124 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,480 and that’s the side effect of heart failure. 125 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,240 The other obvious external damage to our donor 126 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,760 are the blisters on her skin. 127 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,240 They are one of the earliest signs of her body decomposing after death 128 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,280 and they're particularly noticeable on larger bodies. 129 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,680 But they're not what Mike and Carla are focusing on. 130 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,640 The most important thing about this lady is that the obesity 131 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,640 that she’s got is centred on her abdomen. 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,280 So this lady is carrying a lot of weight around her tummy, 133 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,360 that's associated with more of the complications 134 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,400 than if somebody weighs the same, but they carry their weight 135 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,400 around the bottom and around the thighs. 136 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,520 So that’s less associated with complications, 137 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,000 that’s more associated with complications. 138 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,520 So we can see the distribution of the fats 139 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,720 from the external exam, but once we actually get inside, 140 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,520 we’ll see more of how that has affected the inside of her body, 141 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,360 and her internal organs as well. 142 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,720 When we open this lady, there may be other findings 143 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,600 that are less easy to diagnose before somebody has died, 144 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,120 that won’t have killed her, but are examples of problems 145 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,120 that can get worse and lead to illness and death in other people. 146 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,840 So we may find some of those, we may not. 147 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:08,280 To uncover if there are deadly medical truths 148 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,840 lying beneath the skin, Carla must first cut open the body. 149 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,040 The incision is a large and deep single vertical cut, 150 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,440 beginning at the super sternal notch at the base of the neck 151 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,560 and ending at the top of the pubis. 152 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,160 It’s a skill that requires both great precision and intense concentration 153 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,400 especially performed on someone with so much fat. 154 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,760 So what I can feel at the moment is an 155 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:02,440 awful lot of yellow, very sort of greasy, fatty tissue, 156 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:07,200 which is quite a thick layer in a body this size. 157 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,120 I'm reflecting the skin back from the rib cage here, 158 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,840 and what that means is I am just kind of loosening it away with the muscle 159 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,080 to give me a bit of room to manoeuvre within the body. 160 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,320 What we seem to have here is a breast implant. 161 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,800 This is an incidental find. 162 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,520 Sometimes when we do post-mortems, it’s not just about 163 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,000 what we’re expecting to find, it's incidental. 164 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,400 There is a very large amount of fat here. 165 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,480 And the reason it makes it so difficult is it actually is greasy, 166 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,160 it feels very much like butter. 167 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:05,760 So what I’m doing here is just 168 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,840 trying to make sure that my knife doesn’t slip too much on it. 169 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,200 Mike, do you want to come and take a look at this? 170 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,720 So we can immediately see the amount, the thickness of fat that is here. 171 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,720 There is a large amount on the anterior chest wall, 172 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,880 the front of the chest, 173 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,720 but there’s also a very large amount around the abdomen. 174 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,600 The abdominal fat, that is the most dangerous associated 175 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,280 with the problems of obesity. 176 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,280 There’s quite a lot of fat around the organs. 177 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,840 There’s fat around in the omentum. 178 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,160 It would appear that this lady is carrying 179 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,640 much of her weight in the abdominal fat, 180 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,480 and possibly around organs as well, 181 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,160 so there’s lots of changes which I think we’ll get a better view of 182 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,680 when we’ve opened the rest of the body. 183 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,200 Everybody knows what obesity looks like from the outside, 184 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,680 but unless you do a job like ours, 185 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,600 most people don’t see what obesity looks like inside. 186 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,960 I have done thousands of post-mortems. It is always a fascinating procedure 187 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,080 even if it is a case where you have seen 188 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,640 lots and lots of similar cases in the past, 189 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,440 that particular case will be individual and you will certainly learn from that. 190 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,760 We'll never know exactly why our donor became so overweight. 191 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,200 The reasons for obesity are multi-layered and complicated, 192 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,840 a mixture of lifestyle and environment, 193 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,720 biology and psychology. 194 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,720 But now that overweight is the new normal weight in the UK, 195 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,480 there is a whole new young generation living with the consequences of obesity. 196 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,440 Fat, you know, fatty, fat bastard, 197 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,000 you know, whatever it might be. I remember walking past my local pub once 198 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,200 and someone said, "Oh, Fat Bastard, how are ya?" 199 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,840 It doesn’t matter how old you are, if you are fat, 200 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,880 you are marginalised by society. 201 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,040 There’s a lot of medical contributing facts to people’s weight 202 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,640 that a lot of people don’t realise and all they see is somebody that’s big 203 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,360 and they assume that they eat a lot. 204 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:14,200 Myself, I suffer from polycystic ovaries 205 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,280 and also under-active thyroids. 206 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,880 So as a child, I was always slim. 207 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,600 I come from a family that is quite slim. Their build is quite slim. 208 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,200 You know, it was only when I hit puberty 209 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,120 that I started putting on this weight. 210 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,120 I was diagnosed with epilepsy 211 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,760 and the first medication they put me on, 212 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,240 I put on a lot of weight quite quickly. 213 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:39,440 I lost a lot of self-confidence, which I think also led to me 214 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,680 putting on more weight. 215 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,880 The emotions and feelings that I associate with eating 216 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,160 are quite difficult because I... There is a part of me... 217 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Because I have recovered from binge eating disorder there’s a part of me 218 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,440 that still if I have had a difficult day wants to go home 219 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,000 and eat a lot of things in one go which 220 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,400 I wouldn’t enjoy them, it would just be 221 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,720 because that is what I have done in the past 222 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,320 and just seems to be something that, that I have picked up as a way of coping, 223 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,840 which I have now moved away from, but is still something I'm conscious of 224 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,440 and still occasionally want to go and do that... 225 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Sometimes, you know, I'm not going to... I do eat some of the wrong kinds of food 226 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,320 and you know I don’t go to the gym as often as I should. 227 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,920 During my 20s, you know, 228 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,080 I partied a bit. I was going out with my friends on the weekends, you know, 229 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,400 binge drinking all weekends, not a good healthy lifestyle, 230 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,600 but at the time, I didn’t care. 231 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Food is pretty much central to our existence. 232 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,120 Mum would always complain that we are always thinking about our stomachs. 233 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,640 I suffer from a severe lack of self-discipline. 234 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,080 So when I go to the supermarket, I will generally walk through the door 235 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,360 and the first thing I will see is the things on offer, biscuits two for one. 236 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,480 And then I will see the salad. 237 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,120 And it’s salad. And you’ve got carrots 238 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,440 and you’ve got hummus 239 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,000 and you’ve got Maltesers and you’ve got Twirl 240 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,800 and you’ve got Buttons and Dairy Milk 241 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,960 this and Twix that and it is cheaper and it is on deal, 242 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,400 so why wouldn’t I? It spirals and it gets out of control... 243 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,680 It's just quite sneaky really the way that it creeps up on you 244 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,960 if you take your eye off the ball. 245 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,400 The next stage of our post-mortem 246 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,600 is for Carla to go deeper into the body, 247 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,720 beyond the surface fat, to get to the organs. 248 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,080 What will we discover from them about the damage that fat has done? 249 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,080 The organs come out in blocks 250 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,560 because they all fit together in a certain way. 251 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 So, for example, with the cardio-respiratory block, 252 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,360 which is the heart and the lungs, 253 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,800 these are specifically together and above the diaphragm. 254 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,320 So you have a natural line there 255 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,880 that sort of makes them into one block or pluck. 256 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,400 So if I remove those and I give those to the pathologist, 257 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,440 he can then take a look at those organs while I carry on with the next block. 258 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,560 To get to each block, 259 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,240 Carla must first remove the sternum, 260 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,520 the bony armour that protects the major organs of the body. 261 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,000 It’s not an easy job, 262 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,640 requiring skill perfected over years, 263 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,200 and a bit of brute force. 264 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,160 So I’m going to take my rib shears, we use these specifically for this job 265 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,000 as they can cut through bone. 266 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,720 And what I’m going to do is just make some very even cuts 267 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,440 right through all of these bones. 268 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,880 You can hear the bones are snapping. This lady isn't exactly young. 269 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,280 The older people get, the more calcified their bones become, 270 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,560 so they become very, very crunchy, whereas 271 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,240 younger people tend to have much more soft bones. 272 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,960 In order to do this job, you have to be strong of stomach to start with, 273 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,200 but that’s something you either know or you don’t. 274 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,119 I never would have considered doing this job if I didn’t know 275 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,680 I had a strong stomach. 276 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,040 I'm now removing the breast bone or the breast plate, or sternum, 277 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:38,280 with upward strokes and this way I don’t damage any of the pericardium, 278 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,760 which is the sack that keeps the heart safe. 279 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,360 The first time I saw somebody doing a post-mortem 280 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,120 I think I was just absolutely rapt, 281 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,120 I was fascinated and it is because 282 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,040 the human body is an incredibly complex machine. 283 00:17:54,440 --> 00:18:00,920 To open a human being, to see all of that absolutely perfect jigsaw of organs 284 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,600 perfectly in place, it really did make me feel very awed. 285 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,000 When you do an autopsy on somebody who’s very slim, 286 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,240 the organs are there and they’re very evident. 287 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,840 It’s like a game of Operation or like one of those anatomical models 288 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,240 that you would use at school. 289 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,120 In a woman this size, a lot of it is really hidden by this extra yellow fat, 290 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,120 it is making it quite difficult to see the structures, 291 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,000 much more difficult than it would if she was a thinner person. 292 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Before Carla removes the heart and lungs, 293 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Mike wants to take a look at the organs while they’re still in the body 294 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,720 to see if we’ll discover any early indications of trauma or damage. 295 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,000 You can see the heart here. 296 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,240 There’s a large amount of fat around the heart. 297 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,440 There’s more here than you would see normally, 298 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,120 quite considerably more. 299 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Underneath the heart and lungs, 300 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,000 in this area here, is what you call the diaphragm, 301 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:01,920 that’s a big muscle that helps you breathe. 302 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,840 Even the diaphragm seems very fatty to me. 303 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,080 Even on the surface where the heart fat 304 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,760 and the diaphragm are meeting, there is more fat than usual. 305 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,920 And actually the thing that you can see most is an extremely enlarged liver. 306 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,000 This is very, very large, and it’s got what we call fatty liver change. 307 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:23,720 So this is a fatty liver. 308 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,680 And a fatty liver is very much associated with obesity. 309 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,640 You can see, there’s a lot of fat around these organs, 310 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,040 so what would be between my hands now would be the kidneys. 311 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,440 Now the kidneys always have fat around them. 312 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,040 I think it’s important while we are talking about the fat to realise 313 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,040 fat is a normal thing. 314 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,520 Everybody has fat in them. However thin you are, there will be some fat 315 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,240 and fat has got very, very important roles 316 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,240 and one of those roles is to protect things. 317 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,680 It’s the too much fat that is the problem. 318 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Fat is made up of cells called adipocytes, which are fat cells, 319 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,640 and really for a long, long time 320 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,960 until very recently, people thought that fat was just an inert substance 321 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,040 that just sort of sat there and didn’t really do anything, 322 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 but it’s becoming increasingly understood now 323 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,120 that fat is actually a very active substance. 324 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,440 Fat cells work almost like an endocrine organ. 325 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,360 People will have heard of some endocrine organs, 326 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,960 things like the thyroid gland 327 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,960 which is related to how much energy you have, how cold you are 328 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,480 and so forth, the ovaries, 329 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,400 the testes, so obviously these hormones 330 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,560 related to the ovaries and the testes define whether you are going to be a man or going to be a woman, 331 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,680 so those are the sorts of activities hormones 332 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,600 have so they are very, very powerful things. 333 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,200 Now it has become obvious that the adipocytes, the fat cells, 334 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,920 do play an endocrine-type role 335 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,360 and so have some very powerful effects that were previously unknown. 336 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Exactly how fat works 337 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,800 and what it does is still far from completely understood. 338 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,960 But the day-to-day reality of obesity can be devastating. 339 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,480 I wish I hadn’t left it till so late to start trying to lose weight. 340 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,720 It’s not good on your back, it’s not good on your knees. 341 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,440 God knows what it is doing inside. 342 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,040 I thought, "All right, okay, I’m 30, 343 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,440 let’s try to start thinking about trying to have a baby," 344 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,840 but with the size that I am, you won’t 345 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,360 even get any help with sort of IVF 346 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,440 and things like that because the answer is you are too big. 347 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,680 I have always felt insecure thinking that I would perhaps never find love 348 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,040 because I am fat. 349 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Even if it is practical things such as travelling, going to a fun fair 350 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,480 or going to a theme park and knowing I have to sit in a seat that is tiny, 351 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,440 things like that and there are so many things... My wedding day, 352 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,120 preparing for that, preparing my body for that as to how it would 353 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,760 look in photos, and even social media, 354 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,680 in fact my whole life is surrounded by it. 355 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,360 I have got sleep apnoea because of my weight 356 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,680 and what that means is when I lie down to go to sleep at night, 357 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,440 the extra weight on my neck and on my face actually compresses my airways 358 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,720 so that it stops me breathing properly 359 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,320 and therefore wakes me up. 360 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,120 It was waking me up about every two minutes throughout the night. 361 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,920 So I wear a machine and it is essentially a small air pump. It just keeps pressured air going into my airways through the night, 362 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,600 so I don’t wake myself up so my sleep is a lot better. 363 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,360 Very glad to have the machine, but I would have been much gladder 364 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,480 to have not needed it at all. 365 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,040 When I first properly started thinking of myself as overweight 366 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,040 was when I started looking at wedding dresses. 367 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,160 It is meant to be a really, really happy time 368 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,680 and I just felt uncomfortable 369 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:19,840 and just ugly and disgusting and I didn’t want to be there. 370 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,360 The woman said that they were going to have to order me a size 20 and I thought it was going to be like a size 16 371 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,320 and I was just absolutely out of my mind. 372 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 I had no idea I had got that big. 373 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,960 It was really, really awful. I think I cried most of that night. 374 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,920 I was angry at myself to have got so big 375 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,160 and not have noticed. I just felt stupid. 376 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,880 The next stage of the post-mortem 377 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,280 is the dissection of the heart and lungs. 378 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,200 For Mike to be able to do this, 379 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Carla needs to remove the cardio-respiratory block from the body. 380 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160 I'm cutting through the diaphragm here 381 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,640 just to make sure that I’ve freed the lungs completely. 382 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,440 Free them along the spine here. 383 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,480 I’m going to do the exact same thing on the other side. 384 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,840 And then chop across the oesophagus and the trachea here 385 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,360 and then all I need to do is basically pull the organs towards me 386 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,320 at the same time as releasing these sort of 387 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,920 white fibrous tissues that are holding the organs to the spine, 388 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,120 and then we’ll get to a point 389 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,080 where this block, the cardio-respiratory block, is completely free. 390 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,320 And then we can take this out as one block 391 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,680 and we’ve got the heart and the lungs 392 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,440 and the heart sack, the pericardium. 393 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,480 When you initially carry out a post-mortem and you hold an organ such as the heart 394 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,280 in your hands, and the heart is very symbolic, 395 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,640 you know, we use it in all sorts of logos. 396 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,520 It has a sort of power and a sort of agency 397 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,280 that makes you kind of stop and think. 398 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,560 Because it looks so mundane, 399 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,040 but then you realise that within it has 400 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,840 the electrical impulses to keep a person alive. 401 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,440 With the cardio-respiratory block removed from our donor’s body, 402 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,040 Mike can start his dissection of her lungs. 403 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,840 Will we uncover any evidence of damage linked to her obesity? 404 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,640 I am going to detach the lungs from the heart, 405 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280 so we’ll start off with the right lung, 406 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,640 so just cutting through where the lung is attached, 407 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,280 and that’s the right lung detached. This is the left lung 408 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,480 I’m detaching there. 409 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,600 I’m just going to make some cuts across the lung 410 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,960 just to see what the surface of the lung looks like. 411 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,920 These lungs actually look quite healthy, 412 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,000 there’s no tumours or masses or anything like that in these lungs. 413 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,200 What there does seem to be, and which should be evident now 414 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,720 if I pick this lung up and squeeze it, 415 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,640 is you can see the fluid dripping out of these lungs 416 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,040 and this is what we call pulmonary oedema, 417 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,120 that's essentially heart failure fluid, 418 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,680 this fluid is basically water. I know it looks red, 419 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,120 that’s because obviously it's within the body and it's been mixed with blood. 420 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680 This isn’t... Blood is much, much thicker than that. 421 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,960 This is really just a watery fluid, 422 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,200 and this has collected because this lady has got heart failure. 423 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,160 This lady died from heart failure, from hypertensive heart disease, 424 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,120 but this lady is also obese. She did not die from the obesity. 425 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,400 The obesity increased the risk factors 426 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,520 and was associated with the problems that led to her death. 427 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,760 Fluid has built up in this lady’s lungs because her heart isn’t working properly. 428 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,640 She’d have probably been short of breath and possibly had a cough. 429 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,240 But also because the fluid sits in the chest when you lie flat, 430 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,360 and that would have given her a sensation almost of drowning. 431 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,160 When you become a doctor, one of the questions that they teach you 432 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,560 very early on is, how many pillows do you sleep with? 433 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,400 And that tends not to because they are asking how comfortable you are at night, 434 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,760 it’s because if somebody says, "Oh, I can’t sleep in a bed, Doctor, 435 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,200 I have to sleep in a chair or I have to sleep with eight pillows sitting up," 436 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,120 that is very indicative of heart failure. 437 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,360 From the startling discovery Mike has made in our donor's lungs, 438 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,680 we now know that she would have felt the impact of her obesity 439 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,400 and heart failure every single day. 440 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Heart failure is not the same as a heart attack. 441 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,880 When a heart fails, it doesn’t fail immediately in this type of circumstance. 442 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,320 It fails over a long period of time, so the symptoms are gradual, 443 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,440 so this lady may have been able to walk up ten flights of stairs 444 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,640 three years ago, 445 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,320 then she suddenly found she got very breathless after five flights of stairs, 446 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,400 then she found it very, very difficult to even walk up one flight of stairs 447 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,840 or even carry her shopping. 448 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,720 It would have been a progressive disease as the heart became worse and worse 449 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,640 and worse. Now the final event, obviously, 450 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,680 when this lady’s heart stopped working, that would have been 451 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,880 an instantaneous event that led to her death. 452 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Now it’s time for Mike to examine 453 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,960 in detail the organ that catastrophically 454 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,400 failed in our donor. 455 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,480 What will we find out about how and why she might have died? 456 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,160 You can’t really see the heart yet because the heart is sitting in a bag. 457 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,560 This is called the pericardial sack. Just going to open that. 458 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,360 And so I can reflect that back, and that’s the heart there, 459 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,360 so the heart now is in my hand 460 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,600 and you can see all the fat I was talking about earlier 461 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,280 really isn’t around the heart, it's really around the pericardium. 462 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,240 There is a bit of fat around the heart, which is here, 463 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,040 this is absolutely typical in everybody’s heart, 464 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,040 even a thin person’s heart would have this, 465 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,920 and I’m going to cut off the pericardial sack. 466 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,600 This big blood vessel here is the aorta. 467 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,200 This is the vessel that takes all the blood from the heart around the body. 468 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,280 When I feel this heart, it feels baggy. 469 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400 The heart in somebody who is very athletic, 470 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,000 their heart would be very tight, very firm, 471 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,200 it would be like almost picking up a piece of steak. This is more like a bag. 472 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,280 What I’m going to do now is weigh this heart. 473 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,240 So this heart is 449 grams. 474 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,280 That's a heavy heart. This lady is, despite her weight, 475 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800 this lady is actually quite a petite person. 476 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,480 So you would expect her heart to be perhaps 275 grams. 477 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Something like that. So this is very much heavier than you would expect. 478 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760 And that is the sort of size heart you would expect 479 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,760 in someone who has got heart failure 480 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,160 due to high blood pressure which is what this lady suffered from. 481 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,800 The heart basically has to pump to keep up the pressure, 482 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,680 the heart gets bigger and bigger and bigger, 483 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,840 but there becomes a point where the heart can’t get any bigger 484 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,080 and it basically exhausts itself. 485 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Now that he has discovered the shocking state of our donor's heart, 486 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,560 Mike wants to look at it from the inside. He cuts some slices so he can 487 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,760 examine the ventricles, the walls of the heart that pump the blood. 488 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,000 If you’re a 6'8" All Black second row, you're, you know, one of the professional footballers 489 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840 running around the pitch, you need a lot of blood, 490 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,120 so the wall of the left ventricle in a young, fit person, 491 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,160 is usually an inch-thick muscle all the way around. 492 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,200 Now if you look at this lady, this lady’s left ventricle 493 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,400 is very, very thin. This is eight millimetres, something like that. 494 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,440 That is because she developed high blood pressure to start off with, 495 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,560 the heart had to pump harder and harder, but in the end, what you get to is a state 496 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,280 where the muscle can’t keep the high blood pressure up 497 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,120 and it starts to get thinner and thinner and thinner and basically 498 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,520 you go from a thick muscular pump 499 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,920 through to a paper bag that's not capable of pumping blood adequately 500 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800 around the body. And we see a lot of these hearts. 501 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,160 We see them on a background of hypertension. 502 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,480 This is a common finding and becoming more common. 503 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560 Hypertension is high blood pressure. 504 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Obesity is well known to be one of the major risk factors 505 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,360 for high blood pressure, so in this lady 506 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,680 they were not able to control that and that led to changes within the heart 507 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,520 which meant the heart failed, it couldn’t work properly 508 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,640 and that is what this lady died from. 509 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,720 Obesity is a killer. Not by itself, 510 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,960 but in the many ways that it triggers and accelerates disease. 511 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:25,280 But so much of the way that we think about fat isn't medical at all, it's personal. 512 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,600 I have been fat all my life 513 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,880 and it’s never been a positive thing for me. 514 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,800 I’ve always associated it with something negative to be honest. 515 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,960 I feel like fat is a filter 516 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,880 through which I'm seen because there are certain stereotypes 517 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,680 that go alongside being fat, being overweight, 518 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,880 that maybe people who are overweight are lazy or not very clever. 519 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,520 I don’t know where those have come from, 520 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,960 but I feel like I have to try extra hard 521 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,120 to prove those things wrong. 522 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,800 I don't think I necessarily would associate my fat with being invited 523 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,160 to get together with friends or going out, 524 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,880 but, you know, if they were going to play a game of football or rugby, 525 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,080 they might think twice. 526 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560 Socially, in terms of relationships, definitely has. 527 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,040 I mean, you go into a bar and you look like a GQ cover model versus me, 528 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,320 the girl is always going to go for the GQ cover model, 529 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,920 sadly, and try as I might to be the funny fat guy. 530 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,720 You try to build this wall, this wall that, you know, 531 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,600 you just sort of try to ignore it, 532 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,600 and from strangers you can because you think, well, they don’t know me, 533 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280 but when somebody who is supposed to love you and 534 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,400 somebody who supposed to care for you and accept you for who you are, 535 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,640 when they call you fat, just to... 536 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,440 The feeling is just horrible. It’s not a nice feeling at all. 537 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,120 It makes you feel really low, sad, alone. 538 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,480 The next block of organs to be removed 539 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,080 are the organs of the digestive system called the coeliac block. 540 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,400 What I'm trying to do here is make sure that I've got the stomach 541 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,000 and the lower bowel and the liver and the spleen all together in one block 542 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,280 for Mike to take a look at, and not to damage the kidneys, 543 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,760 but at this point, I don’t think I am going to be able to damage them anyway 544 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560 because they are so surrounded by such a large envelope of fat. 545 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,800 So we have got some faecal matter, we have got some bile, 546 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,719 and then obviously a lot of blood. The blood is mixed in with the fat 547 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,360 which is yellow, so that is giving us some orangey fluids. 548 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 It is a multi-sensory rainbow at the moment. 549 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,640 Every single thing that is in each of these blocks is incredibly important, 550 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,160 and, you know, does amazing jobs for our body. 551 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,960 It’s just a case of... It's not very pleasant once they have stopped working 552 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,200 and they have started to decompose a little bit. 553 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,960 To completely free the organs, 554 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,480 Carla needs to cut through the fibrous membrane 555 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,680 that holds them to the spine at the back of the body. 556 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,240 So this is a huge coeliac block. 557 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,080 It is incredibly heavy and the liver, as you can see, is taking up most of it. 558 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,400 You can just see the spleen there and also the stomach 559 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,280 and a bit of the small bowel is attached as well. 560 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,440 When I first encountered a deceased person, 561 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,360 I think what really struck me was just the stillness and the cold 562 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,840 because, of course, I had never, at that point, felt flesh 563 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,840 that was so cold and it gave me a real kind of sensation 564 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,400 of kind of dipping my toe into very cold water. 565 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,480 And then once I had done it, that feeling had never quite left. 566 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,920 It was like this other subterranean world. 567 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,600 In the next stage of the post-mortem, 568 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,320 will we find any evidence of fat damage in the organs of our donor’s digestive system? 569 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,680 This is the organs that include the liver, 570 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,720 the spleen, the stomach and the pancreas. 571 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:25,240 Now this is much heavier than I would expect it to be in a smaller individual. 572 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,680 Largely because the liver is so big. 573 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,280 First, Mike is going to take a look at the organ 574 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,120 that most people associate with obesity. 575 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,760 This is the stomach. 576 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,160 Basically, just like a bag that holds the food before the food goes through 577 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,960 into the bowel where it is actually digested 578 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,560 and there are actually many of the treatments associated 579 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,800 with obesity deal with the stomach and what they try and do is reduce the size of the stomach 580 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,680 so that people have a feeling of being satisfied 581 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,520 from eating without eating so much. 582 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,840 There is a whole variety, gastric bands fit around the stomach, 583 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,400 there is various bypass operations and so forth. 584 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,120 The stomach is very good at dilating, 585 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,080 so if this lady had had a very large meal before she died 586 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,960 and had not had opportunity to digest it, the stomach would be much more obvious. 587 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,480 But this is a fairly typical sized stomach. 588 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,320 Next Mike will dissect the liver, 589 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,280 the organ he discovered showing such dramatic change when he saw it in the open body. 590 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,520 But what will it reveal to us 591 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,360 about the consequences of fat building up where it shouldn’t? 592 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080 The first thing I saw when we opened the abdomen 593 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,440 was the size of this liver and the fact 594 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,680 that this liver showed marked fatty change. 595 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,760 I am going to make some slices through the liver 596 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,480 just so I can see what the cut surface of the liver looks like. 597 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,160 I am using a sponge so I don’t cut myself. 598 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,840 So I have made some cuts across the liver there, and you can see 599 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,200 that the surface of the liver is this sort of pinky colour. 600 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,600 That is very characteristic of fatty liver change. It is very soft. 601 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,520 It almost feels like pate in consistency. 602 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,840 Normal liver is quite soft, but not as soft as this 603 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,680 and it has a much meatier, much redder, bloody colour, dark red. 604 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,680 The lightness in this is caused by the fat within the liver 605 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,600 and the fat is deposited within the hepatocytes, 606 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,720 which are the liver cells, and this fat would obviously 607 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,440 be pale in colour and the liver cells themselves are 608 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,600 dark so the combination of the two gives you this light sort of pink colour. 609 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040 That's much, much lighter colour than you would expect a normal liver to be. 610 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,680 That is a classic sign of fatty liver disease and is becoming a major problem 611 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,800 and is one of the major reasons for a liver transplant in the world. 612 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,080 The most common cause of fatty liver at the moment is alcohol-related 613 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,400 fatty liver, but we know that this lady drunk almost nothing, 614 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,480 so it is very unlikely that this change is due to alcohol consumption. 615 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,440 It is almost certainly an obesity-related change. 616 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,120 Fatty liver causes damage to the liver. It can lead on to cirrhosis, 617 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,840 it can actually lead on to cancer as well. 618 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,200 But even if people do not develop cancer or, 619 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,440 it can lead to liver failure, so there is multiple ways it can lead to the death 620 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,480 of a patient. It didn’t lead to the death of this lady 621 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,760 really because her heart was itself so bad, 622 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,920 but this is very dramatic change within this liver. 623 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,000 Before the post-mortem, 624 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,520 we could never have known how dramatically damaged our donor’s liver would be, 625 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,360 or that she'd be carrying a second life-threatening disease. 626 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,400 But excess internal fat doesn’t have to be a death sentence. 627 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,080 The good news is the fight to beat the dangerous invisible fat can be won. 628 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,920 It is a daily struggle, but the prize is big. 629 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,560 Now I am trying to lose weight. I have actually lost three and a half stone. 630 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,320 I am in a weight management clinic, I get support from a dietician. 631 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,720 I get support through weekly weigh-in's and I get support from a counsellor 632 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,600 which is really, really handy 633 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,920 to help with your mental frame of mind as well. 634 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,840 So what I have been doing to lose weight 635 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,120 is cutting out the chocolate, cutting out the biscuits, 636 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560 cutting out the crisps, all that sort stuff. 637 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,280 I am not perfect. I still have the take aways, 638 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,320 I still have cheeky bar of chocolate, 639 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,880 but, you know, I have also been exercising a lot more 640 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200 and really pushing myself to exercise, 641 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,800 really pushing myself to get to the gym. 642 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,520 Tons of activity. I struggle. 643 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,280 I try and get in an hour of walking a day, 644 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,440 but I don’t always manage it. 645 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,920 Just walking around the park half a dozen times doesn’t really do it for me. 646 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,280 You know, I don’t like running and I have a problem with my knees. 647 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,040 To start jogging around a park is not only just a physically difficult thing, 648 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,880 but it is an emotionally difficult thing to do. 649 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,800 To get out there in running gear 650 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,840 for all the world to see some parts of your body jiggling 651 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,840 that you just don’t want them to see sadly. 652 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,840 I have had gym memberships up the wazoo. 653 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,480 I’ve done detoxes for 22 days, 654 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,680 just drinking lemon juice, cayenne pepper, water and a bit of maple syrup. 655 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,240 It’s disgusting, I can tell you. 656 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,880 I have tried a lot and I will probably end up trying more, 657 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,480 but I think slowly getting better and making better choices 658 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640 is really where it is all about. 659 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,040 My motivation to now 660 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,920 tackle my weight and to try and reach a healthier weight 661 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,400 is because I have now recovered from my binge-eating disorder. 662 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,400 It is a shame that it had to get this bad for me, you know, to get to this point, 663 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,160 but I did need to access that psychological health first in my case 664 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,880 You know, I have now seen the limits that being overweight has put on my life 665 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,840 and I want to reverse those 666 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,240 and get back out there and just live life to the full. 667 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,840 I am quite conscious these days of what I eat. 668 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,640 I do go to the gym. I do what I can to lose weight 669 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,840 or at least maintain it even if I can’t lose it drastically. 670 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,960 Okay, turn a little bit. 671 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,320 I am a plus-size style beauty and lifestyle blogger. 672 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,120 People do get inspired by those sort of things 673 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,680 so I think it is quite useful for me to kind of get out there. 674 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,360 It actually helps me boost my confidence. 675 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,480 -Perfect. Yep. 676 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,560 Exercise is not my best friend. It’s quite a chore for me in a sense. 677 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,480 But I feel that in life with a lot of things, you’ve just go to, 678 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,320 you know, make the effort to do things that you don’t necessarily love. 679 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:13,320 In January, I decided to join a running club 680 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,480 called Too Fat to Run and it was really, really scary at first. 681 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,720 I went out and I ran for like ten minutes, which doesn’t sound long, 682 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,760 but when you haven’t run 683 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,200 and then you suddenly you can run for ten minutes, you are like, 684 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,080 "Oh, crap, I can do that. That was kind of cool." 685 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,800 Then I did my first 5K race. 686 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,120 Finishing a race feels so much better than... 687 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,720 I don’t know, it sounds really, really cheesy, but it feels so much better 688 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,560 than finishing a pack of crisps. 689 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,360 Every race I do, I can’t believe that I have finished it. 690 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520 Next, Carla will remove the final group of organs. 691 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,560 But even in the last stages of the post-mortem, 692 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,320 she takes nothing for granted. 693 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,160 People who donate their bodies to medical science really are giving a gift. 694 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,200 It is the gift that keeps on giving actually, 695 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:23,320 because as a patient I think we all would prefer that our doctors and our surgeons 696 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,000 have learned on something realistic to their job 697 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000 before they are let loose on a human patient. 698 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,640 You wouldn’t really let a mechanic take care of your car 699 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,360 if he had never touched an engine. 700 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,200 And it is very much the same thing with this. 701 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,040 Real bodies are very unpredictable and very chaotic 702 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,520 compared to anything fake, you know, anything like virtual reality 703 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,760 or a fake cadaver. 704 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,040 Because if you look here, what you should be able to see are the kidneys. 705 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,120 Granted, they always have a tiny capsule of fat around them, 706 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:58,600 a bit like a sort of edamame bean that you can pop out. 707 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,960 But these fatty capsules are very, very large, 708 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:08,200 so all you can really see at this point is a kind of yellow glistening mess. 709 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,360 So this again is indicative of the fact that she has an awful lot of extra fat 710 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,280 around her organs. 711 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,440 So I am just slicing through the fibrous tissues and the bits of muscle 712 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,000 that are keeping the kidneys attached to the spine. 713 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,760 And it is really exactly the same thing as I have been doing 714 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,600 with the rest of the organs 715 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,480 and that is releasing them from the spine 716 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,160 which is what anchors them in place 717 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,200 and then I can just reflect them all the way down and pull them out 718 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,640 and this is the genito-urinary block. 719 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,720 And this is at least slightly smaller, slightly easier to manage 720 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,560 because you have only got the kidneys in this... 721 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,840 There is so much fat. It's just... 722 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,400 Mike needs to dissect the kidneys to find out just how much damage 723 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,160 has been caused by all that excess fat. 724 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,960 This is the right kidney, this is the left kidney 725 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,080 and this in the middle is the big blood vessel that carries blood 726 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,120 all the way down the body 727 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,040 and the most important and the first thing I can see is, 728 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,080 there’s an unusual amount of fat around these kidneys. 729 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,520 Now the kidneys always have fat around them. The kidneys they are not protected by bone, 730 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,760 which means that they can be bashed and they can be hit 731 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,640 if you walk into something or something hits you, so this fat protects them, 732 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,520 but this lady has much, much more fat than I would expect. 733 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,320 What I am going to do first is just cut through this fat, 734 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,280 which is called the perirenal fat. 735 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,080 And you can see quite clearly how much fat there really is. 736 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,400 In a thin person, this would probably be 737 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,760 a half or a third as thick as I can see here. 738 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,520 This is bad news for this lady, 739 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,720 as it means that she is more likely to have the complications of obesity 740 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,000 because of the way she is carrying the fat. 741 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,000 This pale area here is the kidney. I am just going to cut into the kidney. 742 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,560 So the kidney has got a thick capsule around it. 743 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,600 Now there is a small amount of fat in the middle of the kidney 744 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,000 that is completely normal. That is where 745 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,360 basically the kidney is responsible for filtering your blood and making the urine. 746 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,440 That urine has to go somewhere 747 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,680 so your kidney’s got a funnel 748 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,280 that collects all the urine from all the bits of the kidney, 749 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,880 takes it down through your urethra into the bladder 750 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,960 and then when you want to go to the loo, it goes out. 751 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:09,240 So this bit of fat sits around that funnel area and is quite normal. 752 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,400 I am going to take the thick capsule off of the kidney surface 753 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,320 to see what the surface of the kidney looks like. 754 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,640 The surface of the kidney ideally should be very, very smooth. 755 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,280 This kidney has got some scarring on the surface. 756 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,320 There’s areas of indentation and pock marking 757 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,160 and there is clear damage to this kidney 758 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,280 which would be associated with high blood pressure. 759 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,200 And we know this lady had high blood pressure, 760 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,200 which is what led to the changes within her heart and which led to her death. 761 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,520 The visible scarring and pock marking 762 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,240 we’ve discovered on our donor’s kidneys 763 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,480 are the last of the revelations she will yield 764 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,880 before Carla completes the post-mortem and closes the body forever. 765 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,760 When Mike has finished his examination, I then begin the reconstruction 766 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,320 and in a way that is one of the most important parts of the post-mortem. 767 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,480 What I do is place all of the organs into a special viscera bag, 768 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,040 which will contain all of the elements 769 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,480 that we have removed in the different blocks 770 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,680 and I place that into the body cavity. 771 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,640 And then I use very heavy post-mortem twine to stitch as neatly as I can 772 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,880 right along the incision that I made and we describe this as a baseball stitch. 773 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,920 It does look very much like a zig-zaggy stitch. 774 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:48,520 Each post-mortem is unique and everything they reveal valuable. 775 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,120 This donor’s gift was an opportunity for Mike and Carla 776 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,480 to unveil the shocking truths hidden inside one body 777 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,560 irreversibly damaged by too much fat. 778 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,600 The evisceration occurred and it wasn’t as easy to do 779 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,640 as it would be with a slightly smaller patient. 780 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,840 It takes a lot more strength to cut through this yellow adipose tissue, 781 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:20,200 which kind of blooms out of the abdomen in this practically neon yellow 782 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,400 and it looks very much like butter and it has a greasy feel 783 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,520 and it makes you suddenly very aware 784 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,320 of the fat in your own body. 785 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,760 Well, it made me aware of the fat in my own body 786 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,440 and the effect that might have on my organs, 787 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,360 the strain it might put on my heart. 788 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,480 The way it may affect my liver. 789 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,600 I think that doing a post-mortem such as this is a really fantastic way 790 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:51,960 for people to consider their own health and their own mortality. 791 00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,760 We never really know 792 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,440 what we are going to find when we examine the patient. 793 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,040 The first thing I noticed when the body had been opened 794 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,960 was the markedly fatty liver. 795 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,640 I know from the history that was provided 796 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,040 that this lady died from heart failure, 797 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,560 but the findings in her heart are extremely marked 798 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,600 and the severity of them actually surprises me. 799 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:23,000 But before we did the post-mortem there was no indication 800 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,720 that this lady had a fatty liver 801 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,160 and it is a possibility that even if this lady 802 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,920 had not developed heart failure, that she may have gone on to 803 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,440 develop liver failure due to the fatty change within the liver. 804 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,560 We already knew a little about the way this woman lived and how she died. 805 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,760 What we couldn’t have known before the post-mortem 806 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,920 was the extent to which obesity would have ravaged her internal organs. 807 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,280 From the suffocating fluid in her lungs, to her scarred kidneys, 808 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,720 creating a potent mix of life-threatening obesity-related disease. 809 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,440 I know that health-wise being obese and being large 810 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,640 it just isn’t good so 811 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:12,800 if I can do this documentary to help other people to see what it is doing to them 812 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,000 internally for them to motivate their self 813 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,400 so that they can lose the weight so that maybe they can have a child 814 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,120 or maybe they can live a little bit longer, 815 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,240 a little bit happier, that is why I am doing this to help people. 816 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,640 It is fine to have 817 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,960 like, politicians like a health secretary 818 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,800 or whoever or like, doctors on TV saying, 819 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,560 "I want you to eat less and move more" kind of thing, 820 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,160 but until you can actually relate that to yourself, 821 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,160 then you can say, "Oh, well, that's not me. That's not going to happen to me." 822 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,920 I think a post-mortem of someone with obesity 823 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,760 is going to be quite shocking for a lot of people, 824 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,840 who maybe think they can deal with it, 825 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,200 and I have been there, I have been there as well. 826 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,360 "Deal with it tomorrow. I am all right right now. 827 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,280 It’s not affecting... I don’t need a machine to sleep, 828 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,880 I can get around fine," you know, 829 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,760 and just putting off those choices until tomorrow. 830 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,240 Time goes by so quickly 831 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,480 and it’s really important to think about what is going on inside you now 75497

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