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I convert the energy of life...
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into dots of the universe.
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And...
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that energy...
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along with love...
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flies into the sky.
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I finish a drawing like this
in three days.
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I come up with new ideas
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and my canvas
cannot keep up with me.
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Kusama was born in 1929,
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in Nagano Prefecture,
in Matsumoto City,
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which is a rural,
provincial castle town.
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She was the youngest
of four children
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born to Kamon
and Shigero Kusama.
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My wish was to be a painter,
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so I started making a lot of art
from the age of ten.
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Since my childhood,
I was always painting dots.
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When I see them,
my eyes get brighter,
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and I am always moved.
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Kusama describes drawing
as a child,
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and her mother
sneaking up behind her
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and tearing the picture
out of her daughter's hands.
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And that sense of hysteria
and panic, I think,
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informs Kusama's own process
of making art,
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where she is working so fast
and so furiously
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to finish a work
before it is torn from her.
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There was a deal
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that her mother made with her
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that if she went
to etiquette school,
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she could also go to art school.
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And Kusama made the deal,
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and apparently she never went
to the etiquette lessons,
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but did go to her art school,
and her mother was furious.
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One senses a family
that was, um...
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wracked with interpersonal
problems.
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Her father and mother did not
have such a great relationship.
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Kusama's father gave up
his last name
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to carry on the Kusama
family name.
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He was powerless in the family,
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so he had affairs
with other women.
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Her mother would send
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her daughter Kusama
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to spy on him.
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Witnessing her father
being with a different woman
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must have been really traumatic
for a young, sensitive person.
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Her mother knew
about his behavior,
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but couldn't do anything
about it,
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so instead released her anger
against her children.
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The Kusama family
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had a wholesale seed business.
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They sold seeds for vegetables,
flowers and plants.
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They had many employees.
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Their business was the largest
and most established,
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not only in Matsumoto City,
but in the entire region.
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She's talked to me about
being in this field of flowers
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on her family's farm,
where she had wandered in.
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Some kind of trauma
happened in the field.
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I was surrounded
by so many flowers.
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When I looked around,
I saw the flowers everywhere.
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It was this sense of being
obliterated by flowers.
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So much of Kusama's art
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seeks to recreate
that experience
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in one form or another.
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It is literally an experience
of being lost
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into her physical environment,
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of losing her selfhood
in this space
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that is moving rapidly,
and expanding rapidly.
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She came across
Georgia O'Keeffe's work.
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O'Keeffe engaged
with the natural world
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in a way that is sort of
fantastic and dreamlike
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and deeply realist as well.
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I think there was something
about the work
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and that here was a great
American female artist.
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Something clicked
in Kusama's head
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and she thought, "This is
a person that I aspire to be.
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This is somebody
who can mentor me."
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And so she wrote
to Georgia O'Keeffe.
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"Dear Miss O'Keeffe,
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Will you please forgive me
to interrupt you
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while you are very busy
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and let me introduce myself
to you?
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I am a Japanese female painter.
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There are very few opportunities
to see your work in Japan.
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I've only seen one of youroriginal paintings, Black Iris.
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It gave me a strong impression.
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I felt that I had in me
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something which seemed
very related
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to what lay at the bottom
of Black Iris.
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Some days ago, I thought
of finding your address.
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I am going to send several
watercolor paintings to you.
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I'm only on the first step
of a long, difficult life
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of being a painter.
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Will you kindly show me the way
to approach this life?
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Yours faithfully,
Miss Yayoi Kusama."
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I met Kusama
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when I was about 20 years old.
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There was a movie theater in
the central part of Matsumoto.
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On the second floor
of this theater,
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there was a little art gallery.
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I think that was
her first exhibition.
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I helped her with it.
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There I was, this young man,
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helping Kusama
hang her paintings.
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Apparently, she was very happy
with me.
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I couldn't understand
her paintings at the time.
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I remember
they were very strange.
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Back then, nobody came
to see her exhibition.
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Everyone ignored her,
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and no one
recognized her talent.
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At the time,
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Japan was
a very conservative country;
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it was a
male-dominated society.
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My mother wanted me
to become a housewife
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and marry into a wealthy family,
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so she took away
my canvas and paints.
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At that time, I had many
marriage proposals to consider.
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But since I wanted
to be a painter,
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I rejected them all.
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Both my parents were very angry.
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Kusama was probably thrilled
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when O'Keeffe wrote back to her.
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"Dear Yayoi Kusama,
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Your two letters came to me,
and your watercolors also came.
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They are interesting.
But I live in the country,
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and the art world
is in the city.
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I'm not young, you know.
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I have had all of the things
you wish to move toward.
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In this country, an artist has
a hard time making a living.
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You will just have to find
your way as best you can.
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But I wish the very best
for you.
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Sincerely, Georgia O'Keeffe."
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She looked into potential
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exhibition opportunities for me.
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I was deeply moved
that there was such
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a wonderful woman in America.
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O'Keeffe gave her advice
to come to the United States,
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to bring her work with her,
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to be unafraid
to show it to anybody
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who she thought
might be interested.
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The opposition of her family
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and the challenges to become
an accomplished artist
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must have driven this notion
that at some point,
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she would have to escape.
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At the time,
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there were heavy regulations
on dollars and yen,
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and it was prohibited to send
money from Japan to the USA.
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It was very difficult to travel
to a foreign country.
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Even though there were
many obstacles,
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she decided to go there,
almost gambling her life.
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I burned about 2,000
paintings by the riverside
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and told myself that I'd paint
much better than these.
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Kusama is among
the very first artists
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in postwar Japan
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to make her way to New York,
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where she takes up residence
in 1958.
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She knew in herself
that she had a will
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and a vision that was enormous.
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She had to
smuggle money into the country.
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She came to America with dollar
bills sewn in her kimono.
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When I first arrived
in New York,
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I went to the top
of the Empire State Building.
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I promised myself that
I would conquer New York
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and make my name in the world
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with my passion for the arts
and my creative energy.
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Kusama was coming
into the New York art world,
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and she was a single woman.
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Previous to that, women could
be included in group shows,
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not one-person shows.
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Even some of the women dealers
wouldn't show women.
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I used to see her cry,
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coming back from a visit
to the galleries.
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She was very aggressive.
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She wanted so much
to be in the galleries,
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but couldn't even
get through the door.
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She was twice the other.
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Not only was she a woman
in a male-dominated art world,
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but she was also Japanese.
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She was not taken seriously
by the establishment.
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She's wearing current fashions,
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and then she starts wearing
kimonos for special occasions.
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There's a lot of mystery and
allure to being an Asian female.
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She's trying to survive
in this world.
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I was really poor at that time.
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I was making lots of paintings.
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Every day, I was drawing
and painting.
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That's when I was
very fulfilled.
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My goal was to create a new
history of art in the USA.
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That's all I was thinking about.
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When I was on the airplane
and looked outside the window,
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I saw ever-expanding nets
on the ocean,
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and I made them into my art.
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- There is a painting called
- Pacific Ocean from 1958,
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and Kusama said that
that is really the origin
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of infinity net painting.
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One of the reasonswhy Pacific Ocean
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was so important for her
is because when she grew up
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in the mountain province
of Matsumoto City,
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the people who were
living there, you know,
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their dream of life was really
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to go beyond the mountains
to see the Pacific Ocean.
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My friends asked me
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why I kept painting dots
and infinity nets.
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But I never listened to them.
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I just kept trying to make
my own world.
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I remember
a particular gallery opening
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where Kusama and I
were intensely engaged
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in the potential development
of her future,
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starting with funds,
and that she wanted to know,
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"Carolee, is there an important
man here in this opening?
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I have to meet him."
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And she was blatant
and aggressive and overt,
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and she was going
to find a patron.
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I would see Kusama
at the next opening
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with a handsome,
conventional young man
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following behind her,
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who had rented her the
apartment or the equipment
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or the materials.
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She did everything there was
to do to get ahead.
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She was trying
to get into Sidney Janis.
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That was the number one gallery
at that time.
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One day, one of the boys
came and said,
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"Ed, I think your friend
just sent some paintings over."
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She had sent her paintings over.
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Well, they refused it,
so they sent it back.
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About four hours later,
here comes a lady
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with one of these real minks,
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and they said they'd like
to see her paintings.
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She had told them
that she's in the gallery.
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That was Yayoi.
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A lot of artists couldn't
get into the galleries,
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so we started this co-op
gallery, the Brata.
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I arranged for her
to have a show there.
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Brata Gallery was located
on 10th Street.
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It was the birthplace
of Willem de Kooning
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and Franz Kline.
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See, that was the day
of the abstract expressionist.
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When she showed,
her work looked so different
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because there was that air.
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The paintings
were quite tapestry-like,
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but they had a wonderful
tactile quality.
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The impasto continued
over the whole surface.
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Donald Judd reviewed that show.
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His first line in the review is,
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"Yayoi Kusama
is an original painter."
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He went on to talk about
the paintings.
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He really praised them.
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Don was a sculptor and a critic.
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A very serious reviewer.
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I had a gallery in Washington.
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Kusama appeared one day,
completely unannounced,
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with a young man.
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He carried in one painting
after another.
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I'd never seen anything like it.
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They had some kind of magic.
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You couldn't stop
looking at them,
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and you didn't know
where they were going.
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They were hypnotic.
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I was organizing an exhibition
of contemporary Japanese art.
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Yayoi was not well-known.
She was nobody.
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And these other artists
were all men
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and were very well-known.
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There was an altercation
at one point.
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She tried to destroy
the whole show.
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It was bloody hell.
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I went into
most of the galleries,
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and I saw Yayoi's paintings.
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The one that stood out
was the yellow one.
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I saw New York
in terms of yellow and black,
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the combination of the taxicabs
and the asphalt.
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I just casually asked
how much it was.
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They said it was $75.
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And I... You know,
it seemed like a lot.
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And the next week,
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you know, it was
preying on my mind, huh...
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'cause I really liked it
and everything.
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And after all, I said,
"Okay, I'll do it."
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And I paid $25 a week
or something.
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An art dealer asked me
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if I was interested in
meeting a reclusive artist.
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She asked me
to wear my best dress
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and come with her.
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Mr. Cornell came out
from his house.
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Joseph Cornell was a great,
important artist.
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Cornell was
so inspiring and strange,
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and deeply, deeply suppressed.
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He was a surrealist,
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and he lived with his mother
on Utopia Heights.
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Cornell, during the years
after his father died,
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from a very young age,
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was supporting his mother
and disabled brother.
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The gallery owner wanted to buy Mr.
Cornell's work,
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but he didn't like selling it
to the galleries.
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Mr. Cornell requested to be
introduced to a pretty woman,
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and then he would sell his work.
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Every day, he would do
telephone attacks,
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so it was a lot to handle,
and he wouldn't give up.
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They would talk on the phone
and she would say,
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"Joseph, I have to go now."
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And he said, "No, Yayoi,
just put the phone down.
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I'll wait for you to
come back."
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So Kusama would go out,
completely forget about Cornell,
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come back
a couple of hours later,
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find the phone on her bed,
pick it up,
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and Joseph would say,
"Hi, Yayoi."
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He was so into me.
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He wrote lots
of love songs to me.
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One time, he sent 14 letters
in a day,
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and it almost broke my postbox.
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And when I opened the mailbox,
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all 14 letters came out
and scattered on the floor.
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Eventually, I went out
with Mr. Cornell.
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He didn't like sex,
and I didn't like sex,
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so we didn't have sex.
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I was cute and lovely and always
dressed nicely,
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so I stood out.
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So people would stop
and look at us like,
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"Who is that couple?"
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His mother was crazy.
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00:23:34,829 --> 00:23:42,501
When we were kissing
in the garden,
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she came out from behind
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00:23:44,338 --> 00:23:48,006
and dumped a bucket
of cold water on me.
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I got soaked,
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and my nice embroidered dress
was completely ruined.
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00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,349
However, he wouldn't apologize
to me.
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It wasn't, "Yayoi, I am sorry,"
but, "I am sorry, Mother."
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So I was very disappointed.
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00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:13,061
Eventually, I told him
I couldn't go out with him
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anymore because I had to paint.
329
00:24:14,864 --> 00:24:19,433
Even then, he kept calling me
almost every day.
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00:24:23,938 --> 00:24:28,207
I fought very hard in New York.
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I painted a lot,
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and I made many net paintings.
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One painting was 33 feet long.
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When you do a painting
of that size,
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in some sense,
it stops becoming a painting,
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00:24:43,688 --> 00:24:47,990
and it becomes
a spatial universe.
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00:25:17,052 --> 00:25:20,587
Her health was always something
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00:25:20,589 --> 00:25:22,855
that she worried about
a great deal.
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00:25:22,857 --> 00:25:28,060
And I suggested to her
that she see a psychiatrist.
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00:25:28,062 --> 00:25:31,363
By doing Freudian analysis,
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00:25:31,365 --> 00:25:33,465
I analyzed my psychological
problems.
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00:25:33,467 --> 00:25:35,867
There's some thought
she might have had
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00:25:35,869 --> 00:25:38,302
some traumatic experiences
as a child.
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00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:39,870
She describes
coming across her father
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00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,106
in a compromising situation.
It's the sort of Freudian notion
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00:25:43,108 --> 00:25:45,609
that you respond
to those kind of traumas
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00:25:45,611 --> 00:25:49,079
with kind of repetitive
obsessional focus
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00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:50,080
on the object of your fear.
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00:25:50,082 --> 00:25:53,550
For Kusama, that fear, and she
talks about it very explicitly,
350
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,084
was a fear of sex.
351
00:26:06,462 --> 00:26:11,466
Her diagnosis is
obsessive-compulsive neurosis.
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00:26:11,468 --> 00:26:15,336
Once something enters
into her mind,
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00:26:15,338 --> 00:26:18,105
she cannot get rid of it.
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00:26:44,899 --> 00:26:47,800
My work is based on developing
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00:26:47,802 --> 00:26:54,540
my psychological problems
into art.
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00:26:56,876 --> 00:26:58,409
Obsession.
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00:26:58,810 --> 00:27:02,679
Accumulation is the result
of my obsession.
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00:27:03,614 --> 00:27:05,948
And that philosophy is...
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00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:12,087
the main theme of my art.
360
00:27:17,426 --> 00:27:20,761
Accumulation means
that the stars in the universe
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00:27:20,763 --> 00:27:23,396
don't exist by themselves,
362
00:27:23,398 --> 00:27:29,268
nor does the earth
exist by itself.
363
00:27:32,905 --> 00:27:35,373
It's just like when I saw
the flowers.
364
00:27:35,375 --> 00:27:38,776
I saw the flowers everywhere.
365
00:27:38,778 --> 00:27:42,246
And when I chased them,
366
00:27:42,248 --> 00:27:45,916
I felt panicked
367
00:27:45,918 --> 00:27:52,188
and so overwhelmed
that I wanted to eat them all.
368
00:28:03,099 --> 00:28:06,968
She calls them
the "penis chairs" herself.
369
00:28:07,035 --> 00:28:11,338
She has a good eye
for what catches attention,
370
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:14,240
and if she'd called them
the "banana chairs,"
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00:28:14,242 --> 00:28:16,875
they probably wouldn't have
been as interesting
372
00:28:16,877 --> 00:28:17,876
to so many people.
373
00:28:17,878 --> 00:28:21,880
Maybe so many people wouldn't
have wanted to sit on them.
374
00:28:21,882 --> 00:28:22,814
But I can tell you,
375
00:28:22,816 --> 00:28:26,484
we have to fight to keep
people off this chair.
376
00:28:32,858 --> 00:28:35,159
You walk into this group show,
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00:28:35,161 --> 00:28:37,161
there was Rosenquist,
378
00:28:37,163 --> 00:28:39,163
there's Donald Judd,
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00:28:39,564 --> 00:28:41,631
and Andy Warhol.
380
00:28:41,633 --> 00:28:46,268
And yet your eyes always
return to Kusama's couch.
381
00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:50,305
Nobody bought them, but
everybody was talking about it.
382
00:28:50,307 --> 00:28:53,174
Claes Oldenburg
had a stiff piece,
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00:28:53,176 --> 00:28:56,810
made out of papier mâché.
And it was a suit.
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00:28:56,812 --> 00:29:00,313
Claes Oldenburg was making
sculptures in papier-mâché
385
00:29:00,315 --> 00:29:03,115
which made a noise
if you tapped on it.
386
00:29:03,117 --> 00:29:06,818
He was not doing soft sculpture
at the time.
387
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:10,188
Oldenburg's loft is a factory
where he works out
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00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:12,924
the problems of handling new
materials in new ways,
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00:29:12,926 --> 00:29:15,993
with the help of his wife Pat
and other assistants.
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00:29:15,995 --> 00:29:19,696
I don't think,
until he saw Kusama's artwork,
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00:29:19,698 --> 00:29:25,635
he thought of actually creating
a sculpture out of sewing.
392
00:29:25,637 --> 00:29:28,337
It's very unmasculine.
393
00:29:29,138 --> 00:29:32,073
When he did a show
in September, I was surprised.
394
00:29:32,075 --> 00:29:35,142
If you looked around,
it was all soft sculpture.
395
00:29:35,144 --> 00:29:40,847
There was a calendar,
and they created numbers
396
00:29:40,849 --> 00:29:43,883
with soft sculpture.
397
00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:46,852
And then, his wife
came over to me
398
00:29:46,854 --> 00:29:48,820
and said, "I'm sorry, Yayoi."
399
00:29:48,822 --> 00:29:52,957
Suddenly,
he was an international star.
400
00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:55,292
This really discouraged Kusama
so much
401
00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:58,995
because, you know, she also
wanted to make her way up
402
00:29:58,997 --> 00:30:01,797
with her soft sculpture.
403
00:30:02,298 --> 00:30:04,932
That really made her depressed.
404
00:30:16,911 --> 00:30:19,879
The installationof the One Thousand Boats Show,
405
00:30:19,881 --> 00:30:23,249
which is her first real
installation work,
406
00:30:23,251 --> 00:30:24,350
that was very innovative.
407
00:30:24,352 --> 00:30:27,720
And what she does is she's
covered a rowboat and its oars
408
00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:31,690
with these stuffed,
soft sculpture protrusions.
409
00:30:31,692 --> 00:30:34,292
Then she has also
photographed the boat,
410
00:30:34,294 --> 00:30:38,329
and made a poster and covered
all of the walls of the gallery
411
00:30:38,331 --> 00:30:39,430
with that photograph,
412
00:30:39,432 --> 00:30:41,832
so the boat is
sitting in the middle
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00:30:41,834 --> 00:30:44,134
of the photographs of itself.
414
00:30:44,136 --> 00:30:45,969
The idea of covering
all of the walls
415
00:30:45,971 --> 00:30:50,573
and creating an installation
like that was very innovative.
416
00:30:50,575 --> 00:30:52,808
Andy Warhol came to the show
and said,
417
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:57,078
"Wow, fantastic, Yayoi!
I like this so much."
418
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,783
That influenced him,
and then he had a show.
419
00:31:04,185 --> 00:31:08,188
He covered the wall
with images of a cow.
420
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:10,657
When I saw it,
I was very surprised.
421
00:31:10,659 --> 00:31:17,530
Andy picked up what I did
and copied it in his show.
422
00:31:17,664 --> 00:31:20,098
She got very, very shocked.
423
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,733
She couldn't go out
from her studio,
424
00:31:22,735 --> 00:31:27,003
and she had to cover
all her studio windows.
425
00:31:27,005 --> 00:31:30,873
She didn't want no one
to get her ideas.
426
00:31:32,742 --> 00:31:34,142
She was living secretly
427
00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:36,577
and creating a lot
of sculptures.
428
00:31:36,579 --> 00:31:41,248
Kusama was creating work
of equal importance,
429
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:44,384
yet she wasn't getting
the same backing.
430
00:31:44,386 --> 00:31:47,487
Sexism plays a very major role
in this.
431
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:49,922
And maybe racism as well.
432
00:32:05,638 --> 00:32:08,039
She was taking away
433
00:32:08,041 --> 00:32:10,241
your ability to focus,
434
00:32:10,243 --> 00:32:13,477
breaking all boundaries
of space.
435
00:32:14,111 --> 00:32:19,582
The exhibitions that I had,in particular, The Peep Show,
436
00:32:19,983 --> 00:32:22,651
that did the job.
437
00:32:22,653 --> 00:32:23,785
It was an octagonal room,
438
00:32:23,787 --> 00:32:27,588
and there were openings where
you could stick your head in.
439
00:32:28,623 --> 00:32:30,957
The ceiling of it...
440
00:32:31,258 --> 00:32:33,826
set up a series of lights.
441
00:32:33,828 --> 00:32:39,598
The rhythm of that machine was,
"Brrrrrr!"
442
00:32:39,665 --> 00:32:42,066
When men started
devoting themselves
443
00:32:42,068 --> 00:32:44,701
to shooting rockets
with themselves in them,
444
00:32:44,703 --> 00:32:45,702
up into the stratosphere,
445
00:32:45,704 --> 00:32:50,440
people became more conscious
of infinity.
446
00:32:50,707 --> 00:32:52,908
And she caught that.
447
00:33:02,985 --> 00:33:05,186
There were many artists
from the Renaissance on
448
00:33:05,188 --> 00:33:08,289
who were involved with
perspective and infinity,
449
00:33:08,291 --> 00:33:10,291
but it was all a fake
because you knew,
450
00:33:10,293 --> 00:33:13,827
you the viewer, you were always
aware that you were the master,
451
00:33:13,829 --> 00:33:19,399
that it was a painting that
was encompassed by a frame,
452
00:33:19,401 --> 00:33:22,135
and the artist was
playing with space,
453
00:33:22,137 --> 00:33:24,604
but it wasn't enveloping you.
454
00:33:26,807 --> 00:33:30,776
This was the great
breaking point in art.
455
00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:35,913
No longer are you, the viewer,
the master.
456
00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:38,281
She's the master.
457
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:50,492
Lucas Samaras was active
in the avant-garde,
458
00:33:50,494 --> 00:33:55,163
radical art scene
of New York in the 1960s.
459
00:33:55,165 --> 00:33:57,231
In 1966, about seven months
460
00:33:57,233 --> 00:34:00,467
after Yayoi Kusama's
Infinity Mirror Room,
461
00:34:00,469 --> 00:34:05,138
Lucas Samara shows
a quite similar construction:
462
00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:07,640
a room-like
mirrored environment
463
00:34:07,642 --> 00:34:12,311
at the far more established
Pace Gallery.
464
00:34:12,313 --> 00:34:17,349
That room was unlike anything
Samaras had ever made before.
465
00:34:18,751 --> 00:34:21,018
I think it's fair to say,
unequivocally,
466
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:25,822
that Kusama was the first
artist in New York or anywhere
467
00:34:25,824 --> 00:34:29,525
to create
a mirrored environment.
468
00:34:30,727 --> 00:34:34,029
There is no question
that she was not really
469
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:35,830
taken up by the establishment
in the 60s
470
00:34:35,832 --> 00:34:39,934
when she was doing all that
incredible, innovative work.
471
00:34:45,173 --> 00:34:48,041
I became so depressed one day,
472
00:34:48,043 --> 00:34:52,478
and the next day,
I became more depressed.
473
00:34:53,646 --> 00:34:57,315
And then
I just jumped from the window.
474
00:34:57,317 --> 00:35:02,887
If I had landed on my head,
I would have died,
475
00:35:02,889 --> 00:35:06,824
but there was a bicycle,
and I fell on it.
476
00:35:06,826 --> 00:35:13,130
Then the neighbors started
to gather around.
477
00:35:21,872 --> 00:35:25,741
Sometimes, she would
simply appear at the door,
478
00:35:25,743 --> 00:35:27,843
and I would realize
that she wasn't well.
479
00:35:27,845 --> 00:35:30,545
And I'd take her upstairs
and put her to bed
480
00:35:30,547 --> 00:35:34,382
and look after her
for whatever it took,
481
00:35:34,384 --> 00:35:36,083
a week or ten days.
482
00:35:36,085 --> 00:35:39,719
She needed to have somebody
take care of her.
483
00:35:44,725 --> 00:35:47,760
Between the lightness
and the darkness
484
00:35:47,762 --> 00:35:49,661
of people's shadows...
485
00:35:50,596 --> 00:35:55,132
a bridge to life has stopped me
from suicide.
486
00:35:57,468 --> 00:36:00,470
Uncertainty of the unknown,
and the fear,
487
00:36:00,472 --> 00:36:03,005
a constant struggle.
488
00:36:07,377 --> 00:36:09,478
Can I overcome this?
489
00:36:11,981 --> 00:36:13,948
And get through today?
490
00:36:17,552 --> 00:36:21,454
And tomorrow and the next day?
491
00:36:34,501 --> 00:36:38,403
- By the mid-60s,
- Kusama is showing as much,
492
00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:40,872
if not more, in Europe.
493
00:36:53,218 --> 00:36:57,087
- I went to Italy in 1966
- to put my work
494
00:36:57,089 --> 00:37:01,091
in the Venice Biennale.
495
00:37:02,393 --> 00:37:04,527
I ordered 1,500 mirror balls
496
00:37:04,529 --> 00:37:09,164
to be made in a factory
in Florence.
497
00:37:12,234 --> 00:37:17,771
She put mirror balls
498
00:37:17,773 --> 00:37:24,010
in front of the Italian
Pavilion without invitation.
499
00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:32,451
I put a sign up saying,
"You can buy your narcissism."
500
00:37:35,555 --> 00:37:38,623
Selling your art
for a few dollars
501
00:37:38,625 --> 00:37:40,524
to anybody who comes by
502
00:37:40,526 --> 00:37:42,792
is a very subversive idea.
503
00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:48,831
Art is supposed to be expensive,
precious, out of reach.
504
00:37:48,999 --> 00:37:51,800
However,
the Venice Biennale officials
505
00:37:51,802 --> 00:37:56,471
asked me not to sell them.
And I asked them,
506
00:37:56,473 --> 00:38:02,877
"Why can't I sell my art
like ice cream or hot dogs?"
507
00:38:04,946 --> 00:38:07,147
She begins in this kimono,
508
00:38:07,149 --> 00:38:09,782
and then when
she's asked to leave,
509
00:38:09,784 --> 00:38:12,284
she gets rid of the kimono.
510
00:38:12,685 --> 00:38:16,154
And she is dancing around
and lying amid the balls,
511
00:38:16,156 --> 00:38:20,191
and there are all of these
photographs of her in leotards,
512
00:38:20,193 --> 00:38:22,326
with her artwork.
513
00:38:25,296 --> 00:38:28,364
She was always aware
of the publicity element,
514
00:38:28,366 --> 00:38:30,599
and it gets a lot of attention.
515
00:38:32,134 --> 00:38:38,772
Many people were interested
516
00:38:38,774 --> 00:38:41,007
in my avant-garde art works.
517
00:38:41,009 --> 00:38:44,410
I felt certain that the art
of the future
518
00:38:44,412 --> 00:38:46,612
was not nude bronze sculpture,
519
00:38:46,614 --> 00:38:52,985
but the public was more excited
about pop art.
520
00:39:03,963 --> 00:39:06,965
In New York City,
on 53rd Street,
521
00:39:06,967 --> 00:39:10,335
stands the Museum of Modern Art.
522
00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:37,995
Kusama presented this happening
523
00:39:37,997 --> 00:39:39,663
in the sculpture garden of MOMA.
524
00:39:39,665 --> 00:39:46,269
I protested against
the closed-minded system
525
00:39:46,271 --> 00:39:48,738
of the museums.
526
00:39:52,375 --> 00:39:56,344
Their performance lasted
until a MOMA guard
527
00:39:56,346 --> 00:39:58,479
started to expel them.
528
00:39:58,481 --> 00:40:01,014
But it was really successful.
529
00:40:02,282 --> 00:40:05,350
My friend
Billy told me that I could
530
00:40:05,352 --> 00:40:07,485
stay at this loft
531
00:40:07,487 --> 00:40:09,019
if I allowed her to paint me.
532
00:40:09,021 --> 00:40:12,522
And I was quite excited
'cause I'm thinking "portrait."
533
00:40:12,524 --> 00:40:16,325
It never occurred to me
that this literally meant
534
00:40:16,327 --> 00:40:17,025
"paint you."
535
00:40:17,027 --> 00:40:20,595
It's hard to define
the expression in her eyes.
536
00:40:20,597 --> 00:40:24,699
She was not looking at you as
though you were a human being.
537
00:40:24,701 --> 00:40:29,370
This was a thing that she
was going to manipulate,
538
00:40:29,372 --> 00:40:30,971
to color,
539
00:40:30,973 --> 00:40:35,709
to position to where
she thought it should be.
540
00:40:36,577 --> 00:40:37,310
I was a runaway.
541
00:40:37,312 --> 00:40:40,780
I felt much more comfortable
with gay boys.
542
00:40:40,782 --> 00:40:41,480
It was safer.
543
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:46,785
A lot of people around me
were gay,
544
00:40:46,787 --> 00:40:49,821
because I did not have
a boyfriend,
545
00:40:49,823 --> 00:40:54,725
I was not married,
and I did not have a child.
546
00:40:54,727 --> 00:40:58,495
I did a homosexual wedding
happening.
547
00:41:06,103 --> 00:41:09,105
All the homosexuals were hiding,
548
00:41:09,107 --> 00:41:14,110
so I wanted them to be out in
the public without any shame.
549
00:41:14,112 --> 00:41:17,113
I wanted the public to
recognize their existence,
550
00:41:17,115 --> 00:41:19,682
so I did a demonstration.
551
00:41:24,387 --> 00:41:26,154
It's quite
extraordinary to look back
552
00:41:26,156 --> 00:41:30,391
and realize that Kusama
was performing gay marriages
553
00:41:30,625 --> 00:41:32,959
about 40 years ago.
554
00:41:32,961 --> 00:41:35,928
Now I am making a movie,
555
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:40,132
which is named
Kusama's Self-Obliteration.
556
00:41:40,134 --> 00:41:44,102
Kusama wandered
into the Gate Theater,
557
00:41:44,104 --> 00:41:45,870
and she came over and said,
558
00:41:45,872 --> 00:41:49,907
"Do you want to shoot my
happening when it's going on?"
559
00:41:49,909 --> 00:41:51,341
And I agreed.
560
00:42:04,354 --> 00:42:08,223
- I made a movie called
- Kusama's Self-Obliteration,
561
00:42:08,225 --> 00:42:13,161
in which I covered myself
in polka dots
562
00:42:13,163 --> 00:42:15,496
until I completely disappeared.
563
00:42:27,208 --> 00:42:31,044
The universe is full of nothing,
564
00:42:31,046 --> 00:42:37,083
ever expanding
and ever destroying itself.
565
00:42:37,085 --> 00:42:42,188
Just like a drop
that falls in water,
566
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:46,825
I completely disappear
in the universe.
567
00:42:46,827 --> 00:42:50,728
I seek the energy of life.
568
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:53,997
And I turn it into art.
569
00:43:22,493 --> 00:43:28,965
She had won a prize
in Belgium of this film.
570
00:43:29,266 --> 00:43:32,668
She invited me to come
to celebrate the opening.
571
00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:35,971
I realized when I got
to the box office
572
00:43:35,973 --> 00:43:40,408
that we were not
properly dressed.
573
00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:43,477
Everybody was in black
leather jackets
574
00:43:43,479 --> 00:43:48,448
and all kinds
of hippie-type of clothing.
575
00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:52,552
I felt a little bit
embarrassed, but we went in.
576
00:43:52,554 --> 00:43:58,958
We had finished seeing the film
and were ready to leave.
577
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,227
Kusama said,
"You can't leave now.
578
00:44:02,229 --> 00:44:06,965
People are going to undress."
So I told my husband,
579
00:44:06,967 --> 00:44:09,200
and he said,
"Well, let's go home."
580
00:44:09,202 --> 00:44:13,771
And then I turned to my mother,
and she said, "Let's stay."
581
00:44:13,773 --> 00:44:16,140
And so we stayed.
582
00:45:12,988 --> 00:45:15,956
The threat
of the draft was a big deal.
583
00:45:15,958 --> 00:45:19,025
It was a big deal.
Very different than anything
584
00:45:19,027 --> 00:45:21,193
we're experiencing today.
585
00:45:25,731 --> 00:45:32,903
These young women and men
were sent to Vietnam
586
00:45:32,905 --> 00:45:35,605
and they got injured and killed.
587
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:38,207
And many returned home
and became drug addicts.
588
00:45:38,209 --> 00:45:40,909
I questioned the fact
that Americans
589
00:45:40,911 --> 00:45:44,145
were doing something like that.
590
00:45:44,147 --> 00:45:45,546
I thought it was wrong.
591
00:45:45,548 --> 00:45:50,317
She said, "Nudity, it's such
a beautiful thing.
592
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:54,020
Why do we have to send
this beautiful body
593
00:45:54,022 --> 00:45:56,389
to the war as soldiers?
594
00:45:56,391 --> 00:46:01,861
She's against the war because
of her wartime experience.
595
00:46:05,198 --> 00:46:07,465
Since my childhood,
we were forcefully
596
00:46:07,467 --> 00:46:12,169
involved in the war,
and everything was confusing.
597
00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:17,073
Even among the students,
598
00:46:17,075 --> 00:46:18,507
the boys were drafted
to be soldiers.
599
00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:22,544
The girls had to work
in military factories
600
00:46:22,546 --> 00:46:25,747
to make things...
601
00:46:26,148 --> 00:46:28,716
necessary for the war.
602
00:46:29,984 --> 00:46:34,687
I was forced to go
to a military factory
603
00:46:34,954 --> 00:46:38,356
and sew parachutes.
604
00:46:39,691 --> 00:46:41,625
She wasn't absorbed
605
00:46:41,627 --> 00:46:44,260
into this totalitarian
government.
606
00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:47,129
A lot of people were
very much brainwashed.
607
00:46:47,131 --> 00:46:49,664
When I voiced that I was
against the war,
608
00:46:49,666 --> 00:46:55,403
even my friends and family told
me that I had lost my mind.
609
00:47:20,128 --> 00:47:25,365
I believe such a horrible war
should never be repeated.
610
00:47:25,367 --> 00:47:30,370
I made my art to try and change
people's minds
611
00:47:30,372 --> 00:47:35,441
about the love in the world
that can last forever.
612
00:47:35,443 --> 00:47:39,945
And I wanted to spread hope
613
00:47:40,146 --> 00:47:43,948
to the world through my artwork.
614
00:47:46,685 --> 00:47:51,255
In New York, I did many big
anti-war happenings.
615
00:47:51,257 --> 00:47:55,025
Several thousand people
616
00:47:55,027 --> 00:47:59,829
protested against the war
with me.
617
00:48:06,636 --> 00:48:12,307
I had a naked happening,
and the police came.
618
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:13,641
They came to arrest me
619
00:48:13,643 --> 00:48:17,945
and asked me not to do
the naked happening there.
620
00:48:30,189 --> 00:48:36,360
News about Kusama's
naked performances in America
621
00:48:36,362 --> 00:48:41,631
reached Japan as tabloid news,
622
00:48:41,633 --> 00:48:47,703
and people really attacked her.
623
00:48:47,705 --> 00:48:53,709
People said things like, "She is
the shame of Matsumoto City,"
624
00:48:53,711 --> 00:48:57,512
or "A woman like that
should be killed."
625
00:48:57,514 --> 00:49:02,917
Her name was even removed
from the alumni list...
626
00:49:03,084 --> 00:49:04,818
of her high school.
627
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:07,520
When she did a lot
of naked happenings,
628
00:49:07,522 --> 00:49:10,890
and it's being written up
in Japanese magazines,
629
00:49:10,892 --> 00:49:15,361
the family was so ashamed that
they went to every bookstore
630
00:49:15,363 --> 00:49:18,997
on the day when the magazines
were sold
631
00:49:18,999 --> 00:49:24,702
and then bought everything, and
then hide it in their house.
632
00:49:37,415 --> 00:49:39,516
Nixon was reelected president.
633
00:49:39,518 --> 00:49:41,885
The country became
far more conservative.
634
00:49:41,887 --> 00:49:45,388
And I think it just became
more difficult for artists,
635
00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:49,458
who were really pushing
the boundaries as Kusama was,
636
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:51,960
to find a place to work
and to function,
637
00:49:51,962 --> 00:49:54,862
both artistically
and economically.
638
00:49:55,597 --> 00:49:58,732
The system is set up
to support white male artists,
639
00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:01,568
who were carrying on
the tradition of modernism.
640
00:50:01,570 --> 00:50:04,370
But there's also elements
of the marketplace,
641
00:50:04,372 --> 00:50:05,304
who the collectors are,
642
00:50:05,306 --> 00:50:07,372
who the curators
and museum directors are,
643
00:50:07,374 --> 00:50:10,074
and who they feel most
comfortable about promoting.
644
00:50:10,076 --> 00:50:13,577
Kusama, who was a marginal
figure in every way--
645
00:50:13,579 --> 00:50:16,246
she was a woman,
she was Japanese,
646
00:50:16,248 --> 00:50:20,350
she was completely outside of
this Western cultural sphere--
647
00:50:20,352 --> 00:50:23,252
she did not get the same
kind of support
648
00:50:23,254 --> 00:50:25,520
that the male artists did.
649
00:51:09,728 --> 00:51:15,098
The respect she had earned
in the early 1960s
650
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:17,967
had been relatively dispersed
651
00:51:17,969 --> 00:51:20,135
by her increasingly radical
652
00:51:20,137 --> 00:51:25,273
and, I suppose, populist,
attention-seeking activities.
653
00:51:25,275 --> 00:51:29,143
So she was, you know,
increasingly disorientated,
654
00:51:29,145 --> 00:51:32,513
disillusioned and depressed.
655
00:51:32,515 --> 00:51:34,281
She went home.
656
00:51:40,254 --> 00:51:43,689
In 1973,
I turned on the television,
657
00:51:43,691 --> 00:51:48,126
and Channel 28
was having a fundraiser,
658
00:51:48,128 --> 00:51:50,094
which was an art auction.
659
00:51:50,096 --> 00:51:53,397
I saw this piece
by Yayoi Kusama,
660
00:51:53,399 --> 00:51:55,399
so I bid $75,
661
00:51:55,401 --> 00:52:00,370
and I waited, and then I heard
that the next bid was $100.
662
00:52:00,372 --> 00:52:03,473
About 20 minutes later,
I got a phone call,
663
00:52:03,475 --> 00:52:06,175
and they asked me
if I was very serious
664
00:52:06,177 --> 00:52:09,077
about purchasing this piece,
so I said yes.
665
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:14,348
And it seems like the person who
did purchase the piece was not.
666
00:52:14,350 --> 00:52:15,916
He was just making a joke.
667
00:52:15,918 --> 00:52:20,186
And at that time, I would be
asking different curators
668
00:52:20,188 --> 00:52:21,987
if they ever heard of Yayoi.
669
00:52:21,989 --> 00:52:24,222
And most of them
had not heard of her
670
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:27,658
or did not know
what has happened to her.
671
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:31,695
To go back to Tokyo
and to start from scratch again
672
00:52:31,697 --> 00:52:34,497
was quite extraordinary
because she wasn't known there,
673
00:52:34,499 --> 00:52:37,933
and she hadn't been recognized,
and she was a middle-aged lady.
674
00:52:37,935 --> 00:52:41,703
I felt that Japan was a hundred
years behind the U. S.
675
00:52:41,705 --> 00:52:43,404
when I returned to Japan.
676
00:52:43,406 --> 00:52:49,076
They treated me like
a very scandalous presence.
677
00:52:49,078 --> 00:52:52,546
All the journalists
were very backwards,
678
00:52:52,548 --> 00:52:59,185
and they wanted to portray me
in a negative way.
679
00:53:00,086 --> 00:53:04,923
This was the time
when she was suffering most
680
00:53:04,925 --> 00:53:08,259
from rejection
of the Japanese art world.
681
00:53:08,261 --> 00:53:10,828
The family wasn't there
to support her.
682
00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:14,665
That became a very, very
bitter experience.
683
00:53:16,501 --> 00:53:18,735
At a time she's lost her father,
684
00:53:18,737 --> 00:53:22,772
I think there were obstacles
of some mental health issues.
685
00:53:22,774 --> 00:53:25,107
It was as if an invisible
686
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:26,208
curtain rolled down,
687
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:28,543
and I felt separated
from my surroundings.
688
00:53:28,545 --> 00:53:29,377
And then, when I was drawing,
689
00:53:29,379 --> 00:53:33,013
the drawing would expand outside
of the canvas to fill the floor,
690
00:53:33,015 --> 00:53:35,648
and when I looked
in the distance,
691
00:53:35,650 --> 00:53:37,282
I would see a hallucination,
692
00:53:37,284 --> 00:53:40,518
and I would get surrounded
by that vision.
693
00:54:00,839 --> 00:54:08,245
Because my childhood memories
were traumatic,
694
00:54:08,247 --> 00:54:11,381
I became very depressed.
695
00:54:11,383 --> 00:54:15,151
I couldn't paint anymore.
696
00:54:16,987 --> 00:54:18,687
And then...
697
00:54:18,689 --> 00:54:21,289
I tried to commit suicide.
698
00:54:22,524 --> 00:54:24,958
And so Kusama
finds this hospital,
699
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,194
where the doctor is
interested in art therapy,
700
00:54:28,196 --> 00:54:30,129
and she checks herself in.
701
00:54:30,131 --> 00:54:32,931
And from the security
of that environment,
702
00:54:32,933 --> 00:54:34,999
she's able to work again.
703
00:54:35,001 --> 00:54:38,469
There is a need to fill
the hours of every day
704
00:54:38,471 --> 00:54:39,403
with activity,
705
00:54:39,405 --> 00:54:42,606
and the activity
that lent itself most easily
706
00:54:42,608 --> 00:54:46,843
to her circumstances
was collage.
707
00:54:52,382 --> 00:54:55,417
From seeds to insects
708
00:54:55,419 --> 00:54:59,454
to small, scary,
supernatural creatures,
709
00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:02,489
they're very dark.
710
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:07,460
And they come at a time
when she's lost her father...
711
00:55:08,628 --> 00:55:13,898
They're full of this imagery
of natural life cycles.
712
00:55:35,687 --> 00:55:38,155
She really had
to start from scratch,
713
00:55:38,157 --> 00:55:42,626
looking into galleries
to exhibit her pieces.
714
00:55:42,628 --> 00:55:43,560
What was very sad is
715
00:55:43,562 --> 00:55:46,796
she had to rent this place
in Matsumoto City,
716
00:55:46,798 --> 00:55:52,301
where she exhibited
her watercolors in 1952.
717
00:55:55,705 --> 00:55:59,441
The first time I met Ms.
Kusama and saw her artwork
718
00:55:59,443 --> 00:56:02,310
was at an exhibition
of her collages.
719
00:56:02,312 --> 00:56:03,577
Since her time in New York,
720
00:56:03,579 --> 00:56:05,712
she was already famous
as a scandal queen.
721
00:56:05,714 --> 00:56:07,647
So I thought of her
as a scary woman,
722
00:56:07,649 --> 00:56:12,652
and at the exhibition,
she was sitting there,
723
00:56:12,654 --> 00:56:14,353
but I tried not to look at her.
724
00:56:14,355 --> 00:56:18,790
I just looked at her art.
725
00:56:25,764 --> 00:56:27,698
When I saw these works,
726
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:30,267
I thought she was
an incredible genius.
727
00:56:30,269 --> 00:56:32,569
I was completely moved.
728
00:56:32,571 --> 00:56:35,171
And I felt a sense of duty
729
00:56:35,173 --> 00:56:41,377
to have her recognized both
nationally and internationally.
730
00:56:47,817 --> 00:56:51,619
Ms. Kusama was very
misunderstood in Japan
731
00:56:51,621 --> 00:56:54,521
and almost completely forgotten
in New York.
732
00:56:54,523 --> 00:57:01,194
She was a genius, so I wanted
to re-legitimize her.
733
00:57:01,361 --> 00:57:04,730
However, the chance didn't come
around so quickly.
734
00:57:05,598 --> 00:57:07,432
I still didn't have any power.
735
00:57:07,434 --> 00:57:11,235
Over the course
of the late '70s and '80s,
736
00:57:11,237 --> 00:57:15,839
Kusama had been obliterated
from the histories.
737
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,143
What the Village Voice called"her lust for publicity,"
738
00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:24,180
simply fell out
of critical favor.
739
00:57:24,182 --> 00:57:28,150
No museums and no galleries
in New York
740
00:57:28,152 --> 00:57:33,455
had shown Kusama's work
in over 20 years.
741
00:57:34,824 --> 00:57:37,325
She showed at
the Fuji TV gallery,
742
00:57:37,327 --> 00:57:40,328
and it was my encounter
with her work,
743
00:57:40,330 --> 00:57:43,397
sculptural work
of the early to mid-1980s,
744
00:57:43,399 --> 00:57:48,201
that really inspired in me
the will and the conviction
745
00:57:48,203 --> 00:57:50,770
that an exhibition
of Yayoi Kusama
746
00:57:50,772 --> 00:57:54,039
had to happen in New York.
747
00:57:56,208 --> 00:57:58,609
We went to visit Kusama in Japan
748
00:57:58,611 --> 00:58:04,147
and collected papers, documents,
photographs, and publicity,
749
00:58:04,149 --> 00:58:06,916
which featured a lot of nudity.
750
00:58:07,384 --> 00:58:10,586
When I was bringing
these boxes back,
751
00:58:10,588 --> 00:58:12,321
I was stopped at the customs
752
00:58:12,323 --> 00:58:15,590
because they thought
I was carrying pornography.
753
00:58:15,592 --> 00:58:18,859
And I had to argue
with the customs guys
754
00:58:18,861 --> 00:58:21,194
that actually this was art.
755
00:58:21,895 --> 00:58:27,432
In 1989, I curated
the exhibition
756
00:58:27,434 --> 00:58:29,567
A Retrospective
757
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:34,338
at the Center for International
Contemporary Arts, or CICA.
758
00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:39,276
It was a small
nonprofit institution.
759
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:51,721
And it was
a sensational exhibition.
760
00:58:51,723 --> 00:58:54,757
Kusama had not been
to the United States
761
00:58:54,759 --> 00:58:58,494
since she had left in 1973.
762
00:58:58,496 --> 00:59:00,329
We attempted
a full retrospective
763
00:59:00,331 --> 00:59:05,233
going back to her early
watercolors from the '50s.
764
00:59:08,803 --> 00:59:11,638
A reevaluation of Kusama's work
765
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,676
was starting to happen
in New York and in Japan.
766
00:59:17,878 --> 00:59:23,349
Luckily, the Foreign Minister
767
00:59:23,351 --> 00:59:27,453
asked me to be a commissioner
for the Venice Biennale.
768
00:59:27,455 --> 00:59:29,721
I thought it was
a great opportunity.
769
00:59:30,222 --> 00:59:33,524
However, since Kusama lived
in a psychiatric hospital,
770
00:59:33,526 --> 00:59:36,660
the government official
became timid about sending her
771
00:59:36,662 --> 00:59:39,162
as a representative
of the country.
772
00:59:39,164 --> 00:59:44,033
"How can she represent Japan?"
So I kept that part a secret.
773
00:59:56,413 --> 00:59:57,346
The proposal passed,
774
00:59:57,348 --> 01:00:01,450
and I brought her
to the Venice Biennale.
775
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,753
Before Kusama's solo show,
776
01:00:05,755 --> 01:00:08,522
Japan had always shown two
or three artists
777
01:00:08,524 --> 01:00:11,191
at the same time.
778
01:00:11,292 --> 01:00:14,394
But for Kusama, I knew that
she needed to have a solo show,
779
01:00:14,396 --> 01:00:17,363
because of her strong
personality and talent.
780
01:00:17,365 --> 01:00:21,533
I convinced the organizers
to do the first solo show
781
01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:25,136
in the Japanese Pavilion.
782
01:00:30,142 --> 01:00:33,144
However, a psychiatrist
came with her
783
01:00:33,146 --> 01:00:38,649
and stayed in the room
next to her.
784
01:00:38,651 --> 01:00:42,552
Now, she is a lot more stable,
785
01:00:42,554 --> 01:00:44,554
but at the time she was...
786
01:00:44,556 --> 01:00:51,527
afraid of having
a nervous breakdown.
787
01:00:55,398 --> 01:00:59,734
I went to the Venice Biennale.
788
01:00:59,736 --> 01:01:03,871
At first, I thought,
"Well, gee, look at that!
789
01:01:03,873 --> 01:01:07,107
That's Yayoi!"
And there she was.
790
01:01:10,044 --> 01:01:12,445
I was so glad to see her.
791
01:01:16,183 --> 01:01:18,217
For her to have the exhibition
792
01:01:18,219 --> 01:01:20,852
for the 1993 Venice Biennale
Pavilion
793
01:01:20,854 --> 01:01:25,189
was an huge, huge transformation
794
01:01:25,191 --> 01:01:30,360
of how Kusama was received
and appreciated and recognized
795
01:01:30,362 --> 01:01:32,829
within the Japanese art world.
796
01:01:32,831 --> 01:01:36,098
So she went
from crashing the party
797
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,100
and inserting her own work
798
01:01:38,102 --> 01:01:40,368
without invitation or permission
799
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:42,603
to being the first
Japanese woman
800
01:01:42,605 --> 01:01:47,207
to represent Japan
at the '93 Biennale.
801
01:01:50,211 --> 01:01:53,980
Consequently, Lynn Zelevanksy
802
01:01:53,982 --> 01:01:58,384
decided to do a retrospective.
803
01:01:58,885 --> 01:02:00,986
Oh, I'm so glad to see you here.
804
01:02:00,988 --> 01:02:02,921
The exhibition that we organized
805
01:02:02,923 --> 01:02:04,722
by the Los Angeles
County Museum of Art
806
01:02:04,724 --> 01:02:10,494
was called Love Forever,
Yayoi Kusama, 1958-1968.
807
01:02:20,037 --> 01:02:22,338
Sometimes
you can feel something,
808
01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:24,139
almost like a tidal wave
under your feet
809
01:02:24,141 --> 01:02:25,406
when you're
working on something,
810
01:02:25,408 --> 01:02:29,444
and you know that this artist
is gonna be big.
811
01:02:33,782 --> 01:02:39,052
She's created this amazing
situation for herself.
812
01:02:39,386 --> 01:02:42,888
The studio is two blocks
from the hospital,
813
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:46,458
so she just walks to the studio
every day to do her work,
814
01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:50,295
and then she returns
to the hospital at night.
815
01:02:52,197 --> 01:02:55,032
Clearly, the strains
and stresses of life,
816
01:02:55,034 --> 01:02:57,768
the memories,
have forced her to withdraw.
817
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:58,735
But what she's always done,
818
01:02:58,737 --> 01:03:02,405
she has always managed
that process incredibly well.
819
01:03:02,407 --> 01:03:06,876
And I think there's a sort of a
managing madness about Kusama,
820
01:03:06,878 --> 01:03:08,377
which is so utterly sane.
821
01:03:08,379 --> 01:03:13,382
She's used her trauma
to enormously productive ends.
822
01:03:18,454 --> 01:03:21,155
After she returned to Japan,
823
01:03:21,157 --> 01:03:27,161
she called me once
for some reason.
824
01:03:27,163 --> 01:03:34,268
She now calls me
almost every day,
825
01:03:34,270 --> 01:03:40,107
regardless of the time.
826
01:03:43,778 --> 01:03:48,014
Even as her paintings began
to sell for a lot of money,
827
01:03:48,016 --> 01:03:50,616
and she became more successful,
828
01:03:51,651 --> 01:03:55,153
she was still lonely.
829
01:04:20,646 --> 01:04:23,981
She had been fighting
and fighting,
830
01:04:23,983 --> 01:04:27,050
and then she started getting
more recognition.
831
01:04:27,052 --> 01:04:28,985
So she started to see the light.
832
01:04:28,987 --> 01:04:34,357
Her work is still powerful,
but her world is brighter.
833
01:04:43,667 --> 01:04:47,770
She hasn't lost her drive...
834
01:04:47,772 --> 01:04:50,606
now that she is
an accomplished artist,
835
01:04:50,608 --> 01:04:54,142
but rather her new fantasy world
836
01:04:54,144 --> 01:05:00,248
is manifesting on a very
large scale.
837
01:05:03,218 --> 01:05:05,352
Ms. Kusama doesn't do
any drafts.
838
01:05:05,354 --> 01:05:06,853
She comes up with something
instantly
839
01:05:06,855 --> 01:05:12,191
and then makes a perfect work
in the moment.
840
01:05:19,098 --> 01:05:21,766
She's celebrated
all over the world,
841
01:05:21,768 --> 01:05:23,234
so she has collectors
all over the world,
842
01:05:23,236 --> 01:05:27,238
and she has museum exhibitions
all over the world.
843
01:05:29,307 --> 01:05:30,440
Her work transcends boundaries.
844
01:05:30,442 --> 01:05:35,211
It really does appeal to a
very broad group of people.
845
01:05:37,647 --> 01:05:42,384
Social media is, for sure,
a very specific phenomenon
846
01:05:42,386 --> 01:05:43,585
as part of her success.
847
01:05:43,587 --> 01:05:47,055
She has had five million
museum visitors since 2013.
848
01:05:47,057 --> 01:05:48,956
And there's not one artist
in the world
849
01:05:48,958 --> 01:05:50,757
who has the same
kind of audience.
850
01:05:50,759 --> 01:05:55,161
She's officially the most
successful living artist.
851
01:05:58,765 --> 01:06:01,199
She hated Matsumoto,
852
01:06:01,201 --> 01:06:04,035
because they rejected her,
they made fun of her,
853
01:06:04,037 --> 01:06:05,269
and they embarrassed her.
854
01:06:05,271 --> 01:06:09,740
Hence, she didn't go back
to Matsumoto very often.
855
01:06:14,345 --> 01:06:18,214
Until the 1990s,
her artistic activities
856
01:06:18,216 --> 01:06:22,952
still weren't fully appreciated
in Japan,
857
01:06:22,954 --> 01:06:25,654
especially in a small town
like Matsumoto.
858
01:06:25,656 --> 01:06:27,555
That didn't change
859
01:06:27,557 --> 01:06:34,028
until the Matsumoto City Museum
of Art was built.
860
01:06:36,331 --> 01:06:38,865
Since I was a member
of the City Council,
861
01:06:38,867 --> 01:06:43,202
I really pushed for her work
to be included in the museum,
862
01:06:43,204 --> 01:06:48,507
so that she could be recognized.
863
01:07:12,498 --> 01:07:17,034
Matsumoto City Museum
of Art is now a place
864
01:07:17,036 --> 01:07:22,305
one can always see
a lot of Kusama's art.
865
01:07:22,307 --> 01:07:26,776
That makes her happy
866
01:07:26,778 --> 01:07:30,479
as well as the citizens
of Matsumoto.
867
01:07:30,481 --> 01:07:31,680
There are many children...
868
01:07:31,682 --> 01:07:37,318
that come to the museum
just to see Kusama's art.
869
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,653
The Matsumoto children
who can start
870
01:07:39,655 --> 01:07:43,423
their art education with Kusama
are very blessed.
871
01:07:47,561 --> 01:07:51,864
She had a big show in Matsumoto.
872
01:07:51,965 --> 01:07:55,867
At the reception, Kusama said,
873
01:07:55,869 --> 01:08:02,373
"I was finally able
to bring home the crown."
874
01:08:02,375 --> 01:08:08,779
When people in the audience
heard that,
875
01:08:08,781 --> 01:08:12,215
they almost wept.
876
01:08:12,217 --> 01:08:16,152
They were so happy that Kusama
was finally able to come home
877
01:08:16,154 --> 01:08:18,053
to a hero's welcome.
878
01:08:26,729 --> 01:08:32,500
Now that my life is
in the last phase,
879
01:08:32,502 --> 01:08:37,538
I am putting all of my energy
into my art.
880
01:09:12,407 --> 01:09:15,308
I hope that the power of art
881
01:09:15,310 --> 01:09:19,145
can make the world
more peaceful.
882
01:09:27,587 --> 01:09:29,955
Among waves of people,
883
01:09:29,957 --> 01:09:35,360
I have managed to survive
this long life.
884
01:09:37,363 --> 01:09:40,264
How many times did I think...
885
01:09:40,266 --> 01:09:44,534
about putting a knife
to my neck, seeking death?
886
01:09:46,036 --> 01:09:51,540
I collected my thoughts
and got up again.
887
01:09:54,577 --> 01:10:01,082
I wish for life's bright
sunshine.
888
01:10:05,253 --> 01:10:10,757
I want to live forever.
889
01:12:41,929 --> 01:12:44,029
How long
have you all been waiting?
890
01:12:44,031 --> 01:12:45,063
- Few hours.
- This isn't even
891
01:12:45,065 --> 01:12:48,299
the end of the line.
The end's around the corner.
75208
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