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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,646 ...and all that. 2 00:00:06,670 --> 00:00:08,096 Is a nice drive-time selection. 3 00:00:08,120 --> 00:00:10,860 I'm Dermot O'Malley and I'm here until 8:00... 4 00:00:16,810 --> 00:00:19,726 Long delays northbound on the A1 at the Bradfield Interchange. 5 00:00:19,750 --> 00:00:21,326 Let's go straight to Priscilla in the helicopter. 6 00:00:21,350 --> 00:00:23,990 Yes, hello, Harry. At least two miles of tailback... 7 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:49,476 Yep. Those who survived get only a fra... 8 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:52,710 ...and for me. For a long time... 9 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,250 So... 10 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,326 Three copies of... 11 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:09,700 Hey, steady. Steady, man. 12 00:01:11,190 --> 00:01:12,680 Steady. 13 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,940 It's in here somewhere. 14 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:14,940 Sorry! 15 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:17,500 This is you! 16 00:02:18,290 --> 00:02:20,966 "Killer Instinct" by Dr. Tony Hill. 17 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:22,480 Sounds good. 18 00:02:23,140 --> 00:02:24,590 Thank you. 19 00:02:25,170 --> 00:02:27,370 And I'll need some identification, please, Dr Hill. 20 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:35,160 Have you got your recorder? 21 00:02:39,620 --> 00:02:41,070 Belt on? 22 00:02:53,380 --> 00:02:55,100 Could I borrow your fingernails? 23 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,040 I tend to eat mine. 24 00:02:57,790 --> 00:03:00,230 I'm sure if you asked, they'd give you another one. 25 00:03:20,420 --> 00:03:21,870 Thank you. 26 00:03:24,860 --> 00:03:26,760 Are you American? 27 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,970 Canadian. 28 00:03:29,420 --> 00:03:31,880 I'm on my way back home - Vancouver. 29 00:03:32,740 --> 00:03:34,960 Been tracing ancestors. 30 00:03:38,980 --> 00:03:41,080 Are you travelling on business? 31 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,230 Yes, I'm on a book tour. 32 00:03:44,580 --> 00:03:46,340 I'm promoting a book. 33 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:48,810 You're a novelist? 34 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:51,066 What's your book called? 35 00:03:51,090 --> 00:03:53,330 I'm a clinical psychologist. 36 00:03:53,810 --> 00:03:56,110 It's called "Killer Instinct". 37 00:03:56,740 --> 00:03:58,816 It's their title, it's not mine. 38 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,940 A study of past cases. 39 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:05,940 Oh, my God. 40 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:07,750 So... 41 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:10,930 Can you tell what's going on in my mind? 42 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:15,180 Did you torture animals as a child? 43 00:04:15,980 --> 00:04:18,100 - No. - Then I'm not much use to you. 44 00:04:21,940 --> 00:04:23,390 On the day in question, 45 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:25,526 Kenneth Gray left home at 7:20, 46 00:04:25,550 --> 00:04:27,976 arriving for work at 8:00. 47 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,346 At 10:30am 54-year-old Mr. Gray 48 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:33,430 left the DIY superstore, 49 00:04:33,780 --> 00:04:36,770 and went out to get coffee for some of his colleagues. 50 00:04:36,820 --> 00:04:38,766 I wonder how many of them had sugar. 51 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:42,036 He never returned and hasn't been seen since. 52 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:44,690 Detective Superintendent, we know all this. 53 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,216 We've been given these details excatly the way 54 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,896 you've been describing them the last half hour. 55 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,496 Are you going to add to them 56 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,926 or have you brought us here to York 57 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:54,030 for a case review to read to us? 58 00:04:55,260 --> 00:04:56,840 Two months have passed. 59 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:59,706 Kenneth Gray, a man on the Sex Offenders' Register, 60 00:04:59,730 --> 00:05:01,286 has still not been traced. What has been done to find it? 61 00:05:01,310 --> 00:05:02,876 Why did it take your officers here in York 62 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:05,420 three days to log him as officially missing? 63 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,766 You know, where his daughter live? 64 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:08,156 Has he absconded and gone to live with her? 65 00:05:08,180 --> 00:05:09,706 If we asked better questions, 66 00:05:09,730 --> 00:05:12,030 we might get more meaningful answers. 67 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:15,880 I was hoping to come on to all of that later this morning. 68 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:24,180 Very nice to meet you, Patricia. 69 00:05:24,380 --> 00:05:26,770 I've put my e-mail on there too. 70 00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:29,250 - OK. - You take care. 71 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:32,060 Killer Instinct! 72 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:36,570 It's good to meet you at last. 73 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:40,490 Everyone at the publishers is very excited, Dr. Hill. 74 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:42,730 Good. 75 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,716 A radio interview today, then a couple of press tomorrow. 76 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:54,740 And that's it? I thought there'd be more. 77 00:05:56,020 --> 00:05:58,996 It's a text book, Dr. Hill, not Harry Potter. 78 00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:01,736 Under the circumstances, three interviews is amazing. 79 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,530 If we'd gone with your title, I doubt we'd even have one! 80 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:09,626 They know they've made mistakes, Carol. 81 00:06:09,650 --> 00:06:10,936 That's why we're here. They don't need 82 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,620 their noses rubbed in it. 83 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,786 So we skirt round for their benefit. 84 00:06:14,810 --> 00:06:16,910 Outbursts don't help. 85 00:06:17,660 --> 00:06:19,296 Kenneth Gray is still missing. 86 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,770 Yeah, still a danger to children. 87 00:06:23,460 --> 00:06:25,276 DS Winter, ma'am. 88 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:29,430 Shall I take you through a detailed record of the investigation? 89 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:31,590 Yeah, sure. 90 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:12,170 Mind the doors. Doors closing. 91 00:07:13,050 --> 00:07:14,500 Where are you staying? 92 00:07:16,580 --> 00:07:19,110 In case I have to bring round some of the files. 93 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,210 You'll find most of us are at the New Park Hotel. 94 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:24,430 OK. 95 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:35,446 Well, predatory killers aren't always like that. 96 00:07:35,471 --> 00:07:37,486 If something isn't right about a chosen victim 97 00:07:37,510 --> 00:07:39,200 They can turn away and... 98 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:41,380 ...choose someone else. 99 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:45,136 Fascinating stuff. We have the travel and the weather coming up. 100 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,790 So, Tony, in a sentence, why do people kill? 101 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:52,130 In a sentence?! 102 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:55,340 Just try to be a little more... jolly. 103 00:07:55,660 --> 00:07:58,970 Since when has the killing of one human being by another ever been jolly? 104 00:08:03,220 --> 00:08:04,670 Marion? 105 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:08,150 Marion? 106 00:08:17,790 --> 00:08:19,530 Marion, are you there? 107 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,570 Hi. 108 00:08:38,130 --> 00:08:40,630 Detective Chief Inspector Jordan, please. 109 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,000 DS Winter. She's expecting me. 110 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,330 I'm sorry. Miss Jordan checked out two hours ago. 111 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:05,556 Sorry to pull you away. 112 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:08,860 I was wasting my time. What have we got? 113 00:09:09,140 --> 00:09:13,166 Marion Reece, aged 36, divorced, mother of two, 114 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:14,786 discovered just after four o'clock. 115 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:17,340 - Not by the children? - No, no, no. Neighbour. 116 00:09:18,580 --> 00:09:21,076 Vernon estimates time of death at around one o'clock. 117 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:25,300 From what we can tell, the initial attack took place inside the door. 118 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:26,726 There's no sign of a break-in, so 119 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:28,710 she must have let the attacker in. 120 00:09:28,780 --> 00:09:30,126 A red Ford Fiesta, 121 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:33,210 a plumber's van and a dark blue Vauxhall Cavalier 122 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:36,076 were all seen parked up nearby most of the afternoon. 123 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:38,390 She worked part-time for a local solicitors. 124 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:40,940 - Today was her day off. - Where was she found? 125 00:09:41,110 --> 00:09:42,736 This way. In the kitchen. 126 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,660 Battered to death with a steam iron. 127 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:47,450 Her hands tied behind her back with flex from the vacuum cleaner. 128 00:09:48,210 --> 00:09:51,556 Her body had been covered with an ironing board with footprints on it. 129 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:54,450 Looks like they stood on it whilst it was on her. 130 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,970 "Screw you" 131 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:28,880 Death was by blunt trauma to the head. 132 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:30,926 Three cracked ribs, 133 00:11:30,950 --> 00:11:33,560 commensurate with being jumped on. 134 00:11:34,010 --> 00:11:36,830 No traces of semen, so she wasn't raped. 135 00:11:37,390 --> 00:11:40,480 She had the onset of secondary cancer in her liver, 136 00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:43,350 probably only a few months left to live. 137 00:11:43,810 --> 00:11:45,686 Does doing what you do ever get you down? 138 00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:47,430 It's not a happy job. 139 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:51,070 It's not something Mrs. Vernon and I chat about over dinner. 140 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:55,400 But I hope what I do provides answers for the families. 141 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:58,230 It's not as if we can bring them back, can we? 142 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:18,046 He's just not answering his phone. 143 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:19,520 This one, madam. 144 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,846 Thanks for rescuing me, Carol. 145 00:12:41,870 --> 00:12:44,070 All part of the service. 146 00:12:46,230 --> 00:12:48,320 Sorry, it's the publisher. 147 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,706 - What is it you want me to look at? - Scene-of-crime photos. 148 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:53,386 Murder. Something odd about it. 149 00:12:53,410 --> 00:12:54,860 Good. 150 00:12:56,780 --> 00:12:58,856 - Victim? - A woman. 151 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,660 36 years old. 152 00:13:02,010 --> 00:13:05,130 - And where were these? - Living-room carpet. 153 00:13:06,580 --> 00:13:10,330 - And what was in the fridge? - Usual stuff. Nothing important. 154 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:12,126 My feeling is we have a deliberate choice 155 00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:14,030 of domestic implements. 156 00:13:14,510 --> 00:13:16,356 Couldn't they just have been lying around? 157 00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:17,666 No. 158 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:19,786 From what we understand of her, 159 00:13:19,810 --> 00:13:21,930 she always put stuff away, no washing out... 160 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:25,310 Whoever did this got those things out specifically. 161 00:13:25,850 --> 00:13:28,326 So a comment on her as a mother or a wife? 162 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:31,130 - Ex-husband? - Pulled him in this morning. 163 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:33,140 How was the divorce? Acrimonious? 164 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:34,956 He had an affair with a much younger woman. 165 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:37,600 Seems most of the anger was on Marion's side. 166 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:40,846 What about custody? Access to the children? 167 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:43,780 - Did she make it difficult? - All appears fairly adult. 168 00:13:43,950 --> 00:13:45,936 She was dying of cancer. 169 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,710 He was gonna have the kids. 170 00:13:47,980 --> 00:13:50,076 He does have a previous conviction for assault. 171 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:51,550 - On her? - No. 172 00:13:51,860 --> 00:13:53,706 Another girlfriend, when he was younger. 173 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:55,730 He couldn't handle being dumped. 174 00:13:58,630 --> 00:14:00,080 Screw you. 175 00:14:02,540 --> 00:14:04,460 - And Marion was raped? - No. 176 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,796 - Interesting. - Why? Should she have been? 177 00:14:08,820 --> 00:14:11,680 No, but it would help explain the level of violence against her. 178 00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:14,566 Was anything taken? Television? DVD? 179 00:14:14,590 --> 00:14:17,070 Her handbag was trashed, otherwise no. 180 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:18,836 So, it's a blitz attack. 181 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:20,606 Anger and defiance low level of theft. 182 00:14:20,630 --> 00:14:22,056 The husband could've done it 183 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,546 and made it look like something else. 184 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:24,856 We're also looking at handymen 185 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,810 she may have owed money to. 186 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:28,320 Good. 187 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:30,600 Am I keeping you from something? 188 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:33,690 - No. Nothing. - Then why don't you reply? 189 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:36,100 I'm in hiding. 190 00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:39,030 Look, my feeling is that the killer was known to Marion. 191 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:43,026 Well, on the surface, that's a very natural conclusion. 192 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:45,366 Yeah, I want to know if I've missed anything. 193 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:47,070 Thanks for the book. 194 00:14:47,450 --> 00:14:48,966 Hate the title, by the way. 195 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:52,260 Yeah, so do I... Oh, go away. 196 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:54,910 Tom? 197 00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:57,616 When can I go home and be with my children? 198 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,876 A few more questions about your break-up marriage. 199 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:02,930 - Still don't want to see a solicitor? - I've nothing to hide. 200 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:12,936 Not raped. 201 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Then what have we got? 202 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:29,886 When did you last see your ex-wife? 203 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:31,706 Sunday night, 6:30. 204 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:33,696 - How was she? - OK. 205 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,300 - What did you talk about? - Nothing. 206 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,420 There wasn't anything to talk about. 207 00:15:38,740 --> 00:15:41,660 After a divorce, there is not much left to say. 208 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,470 And how old is your new girlfriend Sarah? 209 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,450 22. 210 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,490 - That's quite an age gap. - Is it? 211 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:54,580 - We don't notice. - How does she get on with Marion? 212 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:06,840 - Do you put things on the fridge? - My girlfriend does. 213 00:16:06,940 --> 00:16:08,390 It's somewhere you won't forget. 214 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:10,656 Somewhere you won't fail to notice. 215 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,550 It's maximum impact. 216 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,810 Yeah, but... 217 00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:17,030 ...why...? 218 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:19,790 Why these words? 219 00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:23,890 Why not slag? Slut? Whore? Bitch? Die? 220 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,400 No, it's... screw you. 221 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,530 Screw who? 222 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,350 Screw her? 223 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,210 Or screw us? 224 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,710 Geoffries. 225 00:16:43,830 --> 00:16:45,280 Why? 226 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,966 The neighbour thinks there was a 227 00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:53,336 dark blue Vauxhall Cavalier here last night. 228 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,116 - Are they sure? - Seems to know his cars. 229 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:57,176 Go back and see if there was anything distinctive about it. 230 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,830 There must be 3 million blue Cavaliers out there. 231 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:01,740 Josef Paul. 232 00:17:01,790 --> 00:17:04,726 Hungarian Jew who fled to this country as a boy during the war. 233 00:17:04,750 --> 00:17:06,260 78 years old. 234 00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:09,726 Any similarities to Marion Reece? 235 00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:11,630 I'll let you decide. 236 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:12,986 Oh, for goodness' sake, Tony! 237 00:17:13,010 --> 00:17:14,770 Will you turn that bloody thing off? 238 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:30,496 He's lost around 27 degrees 239 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,096 which, at a rate of around 1.5 an hour, 240 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,410 means he's been dead about 18 hours. 241 00:17:36,090 --> 00:17:38,430 Ties in with the sighting of the car. 242 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:41,730 How did he die? 243 00:17:41,780 --> 00:17:43,460 I'm about to find out. 244 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:01,236 24 of them. Looks like needle marks, 245 00:18:01,260 --> 00:18:04,600 but there was some blood on an old school compass in the bedroom. 246 00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:07,216 - Before or after death? - Before. 247 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,650 There's a certain amount of congealing. 248 00:18:10,110 --> 00:18:12,246 The body had tried to heal itself. 249 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:14,410 Futile in the circumstances. 250 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:18,660 He's been strangled, face-to-face, manually, through the bag. 251 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:26,610 Same killer? 252 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,410 There are some similarities, but... 253 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,810 the mode of death is so different. 254 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,066 When you're killing someone, you doesn't do experiments, 255 00:18:34,090 --> 00:18:35,986 you find what works and stick with it. 256 00:18:36,010 --> 00:18:38,076 So, in your view, they're not linked? 257 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,710 Same type of car was just a coincidence? 258 00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:43,546 Well, Marion Reece was more a delayed blitz attack. 259 00:18:43,570 --> 00:18:45,636 His is more your usual sadist. 260 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:49,280 It's slow. It's deliberate. And it's done for fun. 261 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:53,770 But, psychologically, the signature in each case is torture. 262 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:14,710 You had a couple of phone calls. 263 00:19:15,810 --> 00:19:17,096 - Me? - Yeah, 264 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:19,416 Some woman from your publishers trying to track you down. 265 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,760 - I said you'd call her back. - Oh, right, yeah. 266 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,530 Then do it. 267 00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:26,456 Poor woman's worn her thumbs out texting you. 268 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,500 And er... some American woman. 269 00:19:29,490 --> 00:19:30,806 - Who? - She wouldn't say. 270 00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:32,630 She said she'd get you at home. 271 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:35,896 I don't know any American woman. 272 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,420 Tony, this is a police station, 273 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,160 not your personal message service. 274 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,126 Guv, Tom Reece wants to see his solicitor. 275 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:45,600 Does he? 276 00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:49,080 See if you can find any connection between him and Josef Paul. 277 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:53,760 Tony, if it was Tom Reece who killed Marion, could he kill again? 278 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,740 A man kills his ex-wife in a jealous rage. 279 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,880 If he's gonna kill anyone else, he'd do it then and there, not... 280 00:20:00,170 --> 00:20:01,876 days or weeks later. 281 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,986 OK. When his lawyer arrives, let him go. 282 00:20:04,010 --> 00:20:07,280 Don't want to hold him without evidence, but keep digging. 283 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,730 So, what previous convictions should I bear in mind? Sex offences? 284 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:13,896 Only those that involve assault and imprisonment. 285 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,480 And Josef Paul's killer will have tortured animals as a child. 286 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,310 Oh, the American woman... She wasn't Canadian, was she? 287 00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:22,980 Dunno. 288 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:49,610 I didn't see you. 289 00:21:00,020 --> 00:21:02,770 You have 12 messages. 290 00:21:03,340 --> 00:21:06,650 Tony, it's Fiona from the publishers. Can you call me? 291 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,270 Hi. It's Fiona. Look, where have you gone? 292 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:13,846 Hi, Tony, it's Patricia. 293 00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:15,356 I bought your book and 294 00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:17,576 and I so wanna talk to you about it. 295 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,956 How did you get my number? 296 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:21,096 Me again. I tried you at the police station, 297 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:23,496 but I thought it best not to involve third parties. 298 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,786 Your books is just... well... I'll tell you when I see you. 299 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:28,116 It look at impossible, 300 00:21:28,140 --> 00:21:30,096 but I've rescheduled things, so 301 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,176 I'm coming back up to Bradfield. 302 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,840 - I'll call you when I get there. - What?! 303 00:21:34,990 --> 00:21:37,056 Tony... Fiona. OK. You win. 304 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,810 You don't want to do interviews. 305 00:21:42,650 --> 00:21:44,970 "You left call me DS Marry Winter 0797-456-7890. Any time." 306 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:49,866 Lab reports. 307 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:52,666 They found urine on the carpet in the living room in both houses. 308 00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:54,800 - They're testing now. - Both? 309 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:56,456 Well, it's hardly surprising. 310 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,956 If someone came at me with a knife, 311 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,560 I'd lose control over my bladder. 312 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:02,796 But there's something else. 313 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:05,130 The blood written over the fridge. 314 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,190 - It isn't Marion's? - No, it's someone else's. 315 00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:15,976 First thing in the morning, I want a 316 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,060 sample taken from Tom Reece. 317 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:34,296 - Hello? - Oh, hi. Is that Patricia? 318 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,800 - Tony! I've been calling. - Yes, I know. 319 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,556 - How did you get my number? - You gave it to me. 320 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:42,600 Er, no, I didn't think I did. 321 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:45,036 Any time I was in Bradfield, you said, 322 00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:47,370 which is so sweet of you. 323 00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:31,190 Hello, this is Dr. Tony Hill. 324 00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:32,656 Please leave a message. 325 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,866 So good to talk to you last night. 326 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:37,286 I've booked us a table for dinner. 327 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:38,906 - Dinner? - It's in your name. 328 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:40,436 It's 8:30 OK? 329 00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:41,910 Let me know. 330 00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:45,890 Patricia, I'm not sure what you think is going on here... 331 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,566 Marion Reece was blood group O. 332 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:55,636 The writing on the fridge was A-Rhesus negative. 333 00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:57,740 I'm having it DNA profiled. 334 00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:00,120 What? Not her blood? 335 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,496 That's unusual, given the rage of the attack. 336 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,140 So whose it in, then? The killer's? 337 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:07,390 Did they bring it with them? 338 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,040 If they brought blood with them, that requires organisation. 339 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,210 You bleed a victim, you store it, knowing you're gonna use it. 340 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,356 If that's the case, why ransack the living rooms? 341 00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:21,216 See, they would be slower, more methodical. 342 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,940 So, no... 343 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,430 It's definitely the killer's blood. 344 00:25:26,490 --> 00:25:28,690 - Find anything else? - Only urine. 345 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,080 - Both houses? - Yeah. 346 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,650 - Where? - Living rooms. 347 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,466 We're having the urine DNA-tested, but there's very little chance... 348 00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:42,366 Where was it? Was it... 349 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:44,696 on something specific? Or sprayed around the room? 350 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,610 Whoever it was pissed themselves, isn't that enough? 351 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,250 No, what if it belongs to the killer? 352 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,056 Weren't you looking for a link? 353 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,706 Tony, urine isn't a link. 354 00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:57,470 It's found at virtually every robbery or break-in. 355 00:25:58,180 --> 00:25:59,656 Yeah, but here it's murder. 356 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,210 Same killer or not, the fact that they urinated tells us something. 357 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,000 It either was a conscious act of defilement, or 358 00:26:07,270 --> 00:26:09,170 they wet themselves out of fear. 359 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,986 We've taken samples from Tom Reece and his girlfriend. 360 00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:16,000 I have a statement about her movements. 361 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,126 Her alibi is that she was with Tom. 362 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:20,650 - What's she like? - Young, sweet... 363 00:26:21,010 --> 00:26:22,870 every married woman's nightmare. 364 00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:25,146 Forensic asked me to give you this. 365 00:26:25,170 --> 00:26:28,246 It's the boot print from the Treadman range of work boots. 366 00:26:28,270 --> 00:26:31,376 Size 10. Apparently, the sole shows hardly any wear, 367 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,686 so it's a recent purchase. 368 00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:34,176 I'm on to all the local outlets. 369 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,966 Good. How's the DNA search on the blood? 370 00:26:36,990 --> 00:26:38,786 And can you hurry them up on the urine? 371 00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:40,506 That'll be at least 48 hours. 372 00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:42,216 Two days? I can get my dry-cleaning 373 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,556 - done quicker than that! - And that's the fast-track service. 374 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:47,650 Oh, and Eden said he wants to see you. 375 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,930 Great! No doubt I'm over budget. 376 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,830 Can it be the same person? 377 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,830 And how? 378 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,176 Where's the report that says where they urinated? 379 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,650 Carol's office. 380 00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:59,440 Hi. I was wondering if I could order some flowers. 381 00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:19,146 I've got something. 382 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:21,006 After the conversation I've just had with Eden, 383 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:24,740 - I could almost hug you. - Right. 384 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:29,190 This is Marion Reece leaving the mall and going to her car. 385 00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:35,670 This is her car, leaving the car park and wait for it... 386 00:28:36,860 --> 00:28:39,780 The car is registered to a Stuart John Davey. 387 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,926 Kevin Geoffries, 388 00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:43,720 you're a genius. 389 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,830 He reported it stolen from Mountfield car park 390 00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:49,830 - on the morning of her murder. - Is it genuine? 391 00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:51,926 - Yeah. - Circulate the numberplate. 392 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:53,510 We need to find that car. 393 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,836 This is my office, Tony. 394 00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:08,480 It's got my name on the door. 395 00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:11,296 I'm sorry. I was looking for the description of the urine sites. 396 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,570 It was a puddle in both cases. 397 00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:16,516 - A puddle? - Yeah, Very likely 398 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:18,376 both victims wet themselves. It happens. 399 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,076 Not necessarily. I rang the lab. 400 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,676 They've done a provisional test for DNA 401 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:24,270 on both the urine samples. 402 00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:27,206 - There's no DNA in either. - OK. As we expected. 403 00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:29,156 No. You're missing the point. 404 00:29:29,180 --> 00:29:31,426 How? DNA is hardly ever present in urine. 405 00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:33,640 No, but it is if you've got cancer. 406 00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:39,386 So it wasn't the victim's. 407 00:29:39,410 --> 00:29:41,680 So her killer DID piss on the floor. 408 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,790 But that doesn't make sense. 409 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:45,626 I mean, they battered a woman to death, 410 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:47,186 they threw an ironing board on her, 411 00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:49,466 they jumped on it, wrote in blood on the fridge. 412 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:52,056 Does that sound like a person who would pee in a puddle on the floor? 413 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,026 I mean, this person is celebrating what they're doing. 414 00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:55,506 They'd spray it everywhere, over everything. 415 00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:57,940 "Screw you. Screw you." 416 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,250 - Could I have a word? - Yeah. Sure. 417 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,926 They just had a call. 418 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:15,120 A lad went missing last night. They've... 419 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:18,950 They've just found his body off the Old York Road. 420 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,010 What is it, Kev? 421 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,970 Kenneth Gray disappeared two months ago. 422 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,940 I just wanted to know if you thought this was his type of crime. 423 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,520 Look at Gray's crimes. 424 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,110 An abuse of children in his care. 425 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,210 He was a teacher, 426 00:30:37,550 --> 00:30:38,866 special-needs school. 427 00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:40,690 Position of trust. 428 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:43,700 He did it because he could get away with it. 429 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,366 It's a huge leap for him to become an 430 00:30:46,390 --> 00:30:48,000 abductor and murderer. 431 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,570 No. 432 00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:51,630 No, not him. 433 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:54,560 Oh, unless... 434 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,690 did he try and cover the body in any way? 435 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,760 Tony, there's something we haven't told you. 436 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,170 I should sit. 437 00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:22,070 Thank you. 438 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,286 You've seen dismembered bodies before. 439 00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:26,940 Well, yeah... 440 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:29,770 Sorry. Doesn't it affect you? 441 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,446 You know it does. 442 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:33,180 Sorry, Carol, I... 443 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,530 Don't be. 444 00:31:36,650 --> 00:31:38,750 At least it shows you're human. 445 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,560 Is there a motive here or is this just plain sick? 446 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,510 Even the sickest crimes have motives. 447 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,056 The choice of this young victim would 448 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,966 usually indicate sexual interference. 449 00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:55,340 But definitely not Kenneth Gray. 450 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,270 More likely one of ours. 451 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:00,526 These murders have to be linked, Tony. 452 00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:03,296 This level of depravity can't be coincidence. 453 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,776 Logically, yes, but we've got 454 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,216 different psychologies at work. 455 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760 The choice of victims, the methods... 456 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,356 Also, there's no refinement. 457 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:13,860 There's no learning or adjustment of technique. It's... 458 00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:19,270 How can somewhere so beautiful be the scene of such horror? 459 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,526 They found this. 460 00:32:24,550 --> 00:32:27,190 It was next to a tree stump, just over there. 461 00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:35,360 - Where, exactly? - What is it, a whistle? 462 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,290 Get Forensics to check the area for fibres. 463 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,060 Have you got a bag? 464 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,150 You ever make these as a child? 465 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,430 Someone spent time here. 466 00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:56,506 Anyone could have done that. 467 00:33:56,530 --> 00:33:58,050 They could have been here for days. 468 00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:01,390 No. The moment you break the leaf, it exposes the chlorophyll. 469 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,230 It starts to decay. 470 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,110 That was done recently. 471 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,846 But how could they do that, having 472 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:08,320 done what they did over there? 473 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,650 You can't. 474 00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:13,436 It's a confusion between the psychotic and psychopathic. 475 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:16,500 You fall on one side or the other, you can't fall on both. 476 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,800 Well, maybe that's part of the answer. 477 00:34:20,140 --> 00:34:21,896 Here we are trying to reconcile something in 478 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,090 each of these cases that is irreconcilable. 479 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,926 Well, maybe that is what reconciles it. 480 00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:29,170 That is what puts it together. 481 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:34,370 The irreconcilable is present at all three cases. 482 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,430 It gives us a link. 483 00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:41,686 They've found the Vauxhall. Match for the chassi's number. 484 00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:43,640 It's on our way back to the station. 485 00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,026 I suppose it was too much to hope they'd 486 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:50,570 leave it in one piece. 487 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:53,710 Over here! 488 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:58,300 What's so special about it? 489 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,300 It belonged to Marion Reece's children. 490 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,560 15 years old, Carol! 491 00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:31,700 Fifteen! 492 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,750 What am I gonna tell his parents? 493 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:44,240 What the hell am I gonna tell the press? 494 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,190 What am I gonna tell every other parent in this city? 495 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,136 We do have reason to believe these killings are linked. 496 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,610 Oh, do you? 497 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,716 Well, I give you fair warning, Carol. 498 00:35:57,740 --> 00:36:00,110 If you're not up to this investigation, 499 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,860 I'll have no hesitation in finding another officer who is. 500 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,840 Then we'll see how you like it, 501 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,320 having someone else crawl all over your mistakes. 502 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:31,846 I've got it. 503 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:33,526 The scene of crime... it's there. 504 00:37:33,550 --> 00:37:36,076 You have to know what you're looking for, but it's there. 505 00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:38,006 Tony, slow down. What's there? 506 00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:39,860 The killer's personality. 507 00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:42,766 It IS the same killer. 508 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:44,360 Are you sure? 509 00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:46,500 I think so. 510 00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:48,330 Lured. 511 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:51,440 Abducted. 512 00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:53,340 Dismembered. 513 00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:56,096 I know I thought it couldn't be and 514 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,560 and I don't know why they're killing in different ways, but... 515 00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:01,440 yeah, I'm sure. 516 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,446 It's in their personality. On one hand, you've got torture, 517 00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:07,536 dismemberment, sexual sadism and psychopathy. 518 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,520 Whilst on the other, you've got a stick whistle, 519 00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:11,670 leaf squares... 520 00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:15,496 a book on dinosaurs, building bricks, 521 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,930 blood-stained fridge magnets and... 522 00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:21,540 ...puddles of urine. 523 00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:24,940 That's what we've been fighting: 524 00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:27,326 a quintessential dichotomy. 525 00:38:27,350 --> 00:38:29,516 They're not compatible: torture... leaf squares, 526 00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:32,040 sexual sadism... a book on dinosaurs. 527 00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:34,406 Someone with schizophrenia? 528 00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:36,436 Well, it's possible in most personality disorder 529 00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:38,140 but that's not what we've got here. 530 00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:41,616 If we did, the confusion in their personalitywould show itself 531 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,380 in what they did with the victims' bodies. 532 00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:45,266 So, what have we got here, then? 533 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:46,740 Two people. 534 00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:50,000 There's two personalities. 535 00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:53,600 One doing the killing and the other waiting in a room or... 536 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:56,860 nearby on a tree stump. 537 00:38:57,850 --> 00:38:59,476 I still don't know why they're killing in one way 538 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:03,300 and then the other, but, yeah, this all fits. 539 00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:06,160 It's a couple. 540 00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:12,710 I understand you stock the Treadman range of work boots, is that right? 541 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:14,986 Sorry. Bradfield CID. 542 00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:17,230 I'll get the manageress. 543 00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:25,240 Pairs of killers have one of two relationships. 544 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:29,700 Equal, where everything is shared. 545 00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:34,056 The search, the capture, the murder, the trophy phase, 546 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,240 even the depression cycle afterwards. 547 00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:37,780 The other... 548 00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:40,150 is what I believe we have here. 549 00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:43,100 An unequal partnership. 550 00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:45,020 One dominant... 551 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:47,960 ...and one submissive. 552 00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:51,380 It's called "folie a deux". 553 00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:54,126 It's where two people come together 554 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:57,570 and one transfers his or her delusions onto the other 555 00:39:57,830 --> 00:40:02,160 and gradually they become one person with one purpose. 556 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:05,880 Something similar happens in normal love affairs. 557 00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:09,200 Once you're inside the killings, perfect example - 558 00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:11,720 Brady and Hindley. 559 00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:15,446 Perhaps Rosemary and Fred West, but the jury thought otherwise. 560 00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:18,380 So, what do we have? A man and a woman or two men? 561 00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:21,226 I don't know, Kevin. 562 00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:24,920 What I do know is that whilst one of our pair is torturing and killing, 563 00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:28,220 the other is wetting themselves in fear 564 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,170 or playing in the living room next door or 565 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:32,646 or nearby on a tree stump. 566 00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:35,186 Are you suggesting one of our killers is a child? 567 00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:37,320 Emotionally, yes. 568 00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:40,340 I'd say the submissive partner has a mental age of 12. 569 00:40:58,150 --> 00:41:01,400 In pairs, the submissive will always try and please the dominant. 570 00:41:01,810 --> 00:41:05,100 The dominant will always have someone that will do as they say, 571 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:07,246 someone who won't question them. 572 00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:08,996 So, they both get something out of it. 573 00:41:09,020 --> 00:41:10,470 Yeah, 574 00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:14,420 like everyone else, we all need someone to rely on. 575 00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:16,840 But these relationships are doomed to fail. 576 00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:19,870 Why? Because one doesn't understand the need of the other? 577 00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:23,640 No, because as the dominant escalates his or her behaviour, 578 00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:27,036 it increases the guilt felt by the submissive. 579 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:30,176 - A gap opens up between them. - What sort of gap? 580 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,256 One person happy with the way things are going, 581 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,340 and the other becoming more disillusioned. 582 00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:39,400 Sounds like a marriage. 583 00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:43,700 The trouble is, the more the gap widens between them, 584 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,756 the more at risk the submissive is. 585 00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:47,796 So, the dominant could kill the submissive? 586 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:49,270 Oh, yeah. 587 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,770 Guv! 588 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,616 We've got the blood grouping on Tom Reece and his girlfriend. 589 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,040 It's definitely not their blood on the fridge door. 590 00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:58,620 Whose is it, then? 591 00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:08,860 - Where are you going? - Back to the flat. 592 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:14,510 Wrong side of the road for that. The flat's that side. 593 00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:17,530 I wasn't thinking. 594 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:30,760 Better. 595 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:39,050 Tony, doesn't it ever bother you that we only ever talk about work? 596 00:42:42,610 --> 00:42:45,280 I'm not the world's greatest at chitchat, Carol. 597 00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:50,520 No, neither am I. 598 00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:55,100 - Good night, Tony. - Good night, Carol. 599 00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:53,200 DS Harry Winter. 600 00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:55,076 - Hi. Harry, - Yeah. 601 00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:56,740 It's Carol Jordan. 602 00:43:57,110 --> 00:43:58,560 Oh, hi. 603 00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:03,796 I was just going through the Kenneth Gray case review 604 00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:06,100 and I had a few questions for you. 605 00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:08,026 OK. 606 00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:11,150 I also needed to hear a friendly voice. 607 00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:13,176 Patricia? 608 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,460 Tony, thank you so much for the flowers. 609 00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:20,236 - Flowers? - They are so beautiful. 610 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:22,120 They must have cost a fortune. 611 00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:24,086 They probably did. 612 00:44:24,110 --> 00:44:25,560 Tony... 613 00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:31,140 I know how hard it is for you to say anything in public. 614 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:35,726 That's why it is just so sweet you found this way to express yourself. 615 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:40,400 I want to say... I know how you feel about me and it's OK. 616 00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:43,680 I feel it, too. 617 00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:47,280 And how do we feel? 618 00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:49,506 When are you coming up to York again? 619 00:44:49,530 --> 00:44:52,380 We've got a lot on at the moment. 620 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:55,726 I think it'd be really good if we met. 621 00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:58,510 Well, I did come over, but you weren't there. 622 00:44:58,550 --> 00:45:01,246 I worry about you. You work too hard. 623 00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:02,720 It's what I do. 624 00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:05,166 How about dinner? I'll come over. 625 00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:09,336 No. I'll come to you. Remind me, where are you staying at again? 626 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,146 Would be good to see you. 627 00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:12,620 Yeah. 628 00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:16,390 - Bye. - Bye. 629 00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:25,220 Good night, Tony. 630 00:45:26,810 --> 00:45:28,820 Yeah, good night. 631 00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:37,960 "Case Studies: De Clerambault's Syndrome" 632 00:45:46,110 --> 00:45:47,560 You want a beer? 633 00:46:07,610 --> 00:46:09,490 And how are you this morning? 634 00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:12,116 Good. And you? 635 00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:13,590 Yeah, good. 636 00:46:14,090 --> 00:46:17,366 Urine sample results from Marion Reece and Josef Paul. 637 00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:21,600 Both had traces of marijuana and speed, but no oestrogen at all. 638 00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:23,560 - No oestrogen? - No. 639 00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:26,220 That makes the submissive partner male. 640 00:46:27,810 --> 00:46:29,260 And the dominant? 641 00:46:30,350 --> 00:46:32,580 Male or female? 642 00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:35,270 That's the big question. 643 00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:37,960 No prints on the dinosaur book. 644 00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:39,550 The rain destroyed them. 645 00:46:39,690 --> 00:46:42,400 Domination bases itself on low self-esteem. 646 00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:44,576 Those who dominate do so through 647 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,400 their own weakness and vulnerability. 648 00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:49,546 New monkeys in a troop don't get beaten up by the Alpha Male, 649 00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:51,310 but by the lowest-ranking ones. 650 00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:54,490 "At last, here's something we can dominate." 651 00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:56,096 So that's why they nick windscreen 652 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,020 wipers at the safari park. 653 00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:01,080 A mental age of 12. 654 00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:04,026 Is there anything here that tells us how old they really are? 655 00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:05,336 Well, that's what's so confusing. 656 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,420 We have three completely different MOs. 657 00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:10,800 The person who killed Marion Reece... 658 00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:13,570 should be 26/27. 659 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:17,540 A sexual psychopath with sexual dysfunctions. 660 00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:21,396 The dominant here could be male or female. 661 00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:23,956 And the person who kill Josef Paul would be older, 662 00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:25,336 because of what they did to him. 663 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,160 No, younger. 664 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:28,996 When an elderly person is the victim, 665 00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,066 you start with a base age of 19. 666 00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:33,040 Kids are like monkeys. 667 00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:35,980 They take it out on the old and the weak because they can. 668 00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:38,760 And again the dominant here could be male... 669 00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:42,940 ...or female. 670 00:47:43,850 --> 00:47:45,266 But Andy Parks was killed and 671 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:47,900 dismembered by a man in his 30s... 672 00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:53,280 ...who was attracted to late-pubescent boys. 673 00:47:53,330 --> 00:47:55,870 Three different murders by the same people, 674 00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:57,236 with completely different 675 00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:59,560 psychological profiles and fantasies. 676 00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:02,700 It can't happen, 677 00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:04,390 but it did. 678 00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:09,240 So the fantasy isn't performing its function, is it? 679 00:48:11,050 --> 00:48:12,946 Well, you know, "Tying her up didn't do it for me, 680 00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:14,256 so let's try the bin bag. 681 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,140 No, that's not working, either. Let's dismember the body..." 682 00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:20,760 But all the time, it's changing. Change, change, change. 683 00:48:22,210 --> 00:48:23,660 Maybe... 684 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:25,666 for some reason, each victim has 685 00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:28,050 has to be killed in a different way. 686 00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:34,346 Yeah, maybe that's it. 687 00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:36,600 Maybe that's the ritual. 688 00:48:37,330 --> 00:48:40,140 Each one in a different way is the fantasy! 689 00:48:41,770 --> 00:48:44,840 So, which of these pairs... 690 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,040 ...is it? 691 00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:50,850 How do two people go through that? 692 00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:53,376 Well, like all relationships, Carol. 693 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,686 Strength from adversity. 694 00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:56,660 We've spent a long time together. 695 00:48:58,170 --> 00:49:01,150 Went to school together, in prison together... 696 00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:04,760 In bed together... 697 00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:08,026 And if we are lovers, the relationship will be abusive. 698 00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:10,610 What about that gap? 699 00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:12,346 Has that opened up between us? 700 00:49:12,370 --> 00:49:13,786 Well, if it doesn't, it's only a matter 701 00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:15,460 of time before it does. 702 00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:17,900 One moment. 703 00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:19,820 Sorry. Dr. Hill. 704 00:49:21,350 --> 00:49:22,646 For God's sake, what now? 705 00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:24,540 It's a woman who says she's your wife. 706 00:49:35,570 --> 00:49:37,020 Hello. 707 00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:39,366 No, of course I won't forget. 708 00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:42,200 What was it, a wedding chapel in Vegas? 709 00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:49,266 De Clerambault's Syndrome. 710 00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:51,046 Monodelusional primary erotomania. 711 00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:53,816 Tony, married or not, it's got nothing to do with me. 712 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,926 This woman thinks she's having a relationship with me. 713 00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:57,700 Yes, sure she does. Yeah. 714 00:49:58,550 --> 00:50:01,886 I met her once! If I deny it or marginalise her, 715 00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:04,480 she is prone to violent or dangerous behaviour. 716 00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:08,300 Trust me, Carol! This woman is capable of anything. 717 00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:12,060 Tony, why is nothing ever simple with you? 718 00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:35,266 Carol Jordan. 719 00:50:35,290 --> 00:50:37,040 I just thought you'd like to know. 720 00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:40,236 The sea just washed up the body of Kenneth Gray. 721 00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:43,080 - How did he die? - The poor guy was shot. 722 00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:46,420 But only after he was hideously tortured. 723 00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:51,080 He's been found on the beach, further up the coast. 724 00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:54,310 He went missing in York. 725 00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:56,956 Andy Parks was found here, 726 00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:58,940 off the Old York Road. 727 00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:01,730 Killers operate in locations they know. 728 00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:07,986 Sir. 729 00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:09,886 - Good to see you again. - Hi. 730 00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:12,800 - This is Dr. Tony Hill. - DS Harry Winter. 731 00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:18,650 We think he's been in the water for the two months he's been missing. 732 00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:20,096 He was probably dead before 733 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,680 anyone noticed he'd gone. 734 00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:23,416 What's your interest in him? 735 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,340 We have cases that share some similarities. 736 00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:29,286 Hands tied behind his back. It's like an execution. 737 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:31,140 Single bullet to the head. 738 00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:34,256 Killed for what he did, or a random victim? 739 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,046 Don't know. If you want revenge on him, 740 00:51:36,070 --> 00:51:39,700 why go on and kill Marion Reece, Josef Paul and Andy Parks? 741 00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:41,306 What have they done to you? 742 00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:43,166 Have we any idea where the killing took place? 743 00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:45,260 - No. - You said he'd been tortured. 744 00:51:45,830 --> 00:51:47,116 These marks on his body - 745 00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:50,540 the pathologist believes he was pelted with rocks before he died. 746 00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:54,100 Harry? Your wife's on the phone. 747 00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:03,270 You think they're connected? 748 00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:05,916 Well, the signature level of torture's the same. 749 00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:08,240 There's a complete change in method. Could be. 750 00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:11,160 And if it is, it predates the killings. 751 00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:14,036 The discovery of Andy Parks' body 752 00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:18,140 gives us a corridor of them operating between the sea and Bradfield. 753 00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:22,046 But Gray's history as a sex offender clouds the issue. 754 00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:23,820 There is one thing - 755 00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:28,310 I've seen this before. 756 00:52:28,590 --> 00:52:31,440 I don't know where, I don't know how, but I've seen it. 757 00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:33,460 I just know I've seen it. 758 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:35,400 Where? 759 00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:37,010 Previous case? One of your patients? 760 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:38,866 Don't know. 761 00:52:38,890 --> 00:52:40,340 Carol? 762 00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:43,080 I can explain. 763 00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:49,556 Carol mentioned a gap 764 00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:51,546 might have opened between the two killers. 765 00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:53,006 Yes. Well... 766 00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:54,706 as the dominant gets more out of control, 767 00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:57,616 the submissive can feel some sort of guilt. 768 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,356 Then we need to exploit that. 769 00:52:59,380 --> 00:53:02,370 We'll need to make a direct appeal to the submissive partner. 770 00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:04,516 If you put pressure on this relationship, 771 00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:05,990 anything can happen. 772 00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:09,666 The only guarantee I'll give is the dominant will kill the submissive. 773 00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:12,900 My duty is to protect the public from them, not them from each other. 774 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:14,506 Then you'll fail in that duty. 775 00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:16,360 Because what happens after that 776 00:53:16,610 --> 00:53:18,800 is beyond anyone's control. 777 00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:26,260 Ready? 778 00:53:28,890 --> 00:53:30,316 I'm sorry the food wasn't hot! 779 00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:32,500 It was my fault! I'm sorry! 780 00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:45,660 Tony Hill. 781 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:47,170 I waited. 782 00:53:47,470 --> 00:53:48,920 You never came. 783 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,730 Patricia? 784 00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:54,926 Sorry. I forgot. 785 00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:58,770 Tony, there's no point pretending. I know why you didn't come. 786 00:54:00,260 --> 00:54:02,036 All you're doing is protecting 787 00:54:02,060 --> 00:54:04,276 the people who are hurting you, Tony. 788 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:06,370 They're not worth it. 789 00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:09,820 Patricia? 790 00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:12,286 You need help. 791 00:54:12,310 --> 00:54:14,400 We all need help, Tony. 792 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,596 I'm trying to help you. 793 00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:18,286 I just think you should talk to someone. 794 00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:19,970 I know people. 795 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:22,120 I'll come with you. 796 00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:25,300 She's told you to say this, hasn't she? 797 00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:28,240 - Who? - That woman. 798 00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:30,570 Is that who you were with? 799 00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:33,620 - No. - Don't lie to me, Tony. 800 00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:36,600 I saw you together. 801 00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:45,620 Carol. 802 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:36,690 Carol? 803 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:07,720 Thank God. 804 00:56:15,810 --> 00:56:17,366 Thank you. All right? 805 00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:20,186 - Hiya. - Hiya. Can I have a bottle... 806 00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,146 I expected her to kill your cat. 807 00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:24,146 Well, destroy something you care about. 808 00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:25,750 He hid under my bed. 809 00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:29,810 Have you ever had a pet? 810 00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:32,320 Not even as a child? 811 00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:34,100 No. 812 00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:37,740 So apart from your parents, you've never loved another living thing? 813 00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:42,110 - I've been close. - How close? 814 00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:45,026 When? 815 00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:47,366 - Carol... - Why can't you answer? 816 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:49,240 It's a simple question. 817 00:56:49,890 --> 00:56:51,530 Are you ashamed? 818 00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:56,360 You... 819 00:56:59,420 --> 00:57:00,870 You! 820 00:57:01,770 --> 00:57:03,580 Yeah, it's you. 821 00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:14,240 Yeah, it's him. He did it. 822 00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:23,566 I'm really not in the mood for a film. 823 00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:26,900 If you want to join, I need an electricity bill or your council tax. 824 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,006 Is your husband all right? 825 00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:36,506 I'm going back to my flat. 826 00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:38,026 What? No - stay. 827 00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:40,010 Do you remember a scene in something where... 828 00:57:40,070 --> 00:57:42,060 some guy is taken to a beach. 829 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,460 He has his hands tied. 830 00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:47,060 Had rocks thrown at him. 831 00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:49,546 I think the guy in the window's in it. 832 00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:51,020 And then shot through the head? 833 00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:53,670 - "Fallen Justice." - "Fallen Justice." 834 00:57:54,450 --> 00:57:55,996 Are you saying you think Gray 835 00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:58,266 was killed in the same way as the man in that film? 836 00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:00,526 - I knew I'd seen it. - It was on telly a few months back. 837 00:58:00,550 --> 00:58:01,836 A few months? 838 00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:03,726 - That'd be about right. - Could it be two months? 839 00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:05,230 Yeah. Two months. 840 00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:07,760 I watched it. It was all right. 841 00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:12,930 What about an old guy 842 00:58:13,150 --> 00:58:14,946 with a bin bag over his head and torso 843 00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:16,940 and strangled? 844 00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:19,220 "Motor City Murder." 845 00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:23,416 That's why the way they killed differed. 846 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,670 They committed other people's murders. 847 00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:27,036 Makes sense. 848 00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:29,186 Well, it might make sense, Tony, 849 00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:31,770 but we've got only got a bloke in a video shop's word. 850 00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:34,446 I mean, how do we know Josef Paul's murder 851 00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:37,480 was a scene from some Detroit cop show on cable? 852 00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:39,176 How do you know that Andy Parks was killed 853 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,260 the same way as a teen slasher movie? 854 00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:43,660 Well, we go to a movie database, and we... 855 00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:46,790 type the keywords of each of the murders. 856 00:59:00,210 --> 00:59:02,096 Friday the 13th. 857 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,240 Yeah. What they're doing is recreating the deaths. 858 00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:39,430 Right, how old are they? 859 00:59:43,650 --> 00:59:45,716 Video literate, but not mature 860 00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:48,140 or sophisticated enough to think for themselves. 861 00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:54,630 Base age of 19, add two years for organisation and planning. 862 00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:57,736 Both 21. 863 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,186 The dominant definitely around that, 864 00:59:59,210 --> 01:00:00,780 the submissive maybe younger. 865 01:00:01,690 --> 01:00:03,076 And the dominant is male? 866 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,286 Dominant young females are obsessive. 867 01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:08,036 It's likely she'd want the scene carried out exactly. 868 01:00:08,060 --> 01:00:10,116 Also a female dominant with a male submissive 869 01:00:10,140 --> 01:00:12,186 would choose women as victims. 870 01:00:12,210 --> 01:00:14,650 So it's a male-male partnership? 871 01:00:16,310 --> 01:00:18,840 And why wasn't Marion Reece raped? 872 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,140 You know, they could have gone a step further. 873 01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:25,270 Why all this rage? Why all this anger? 874 01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,700 Mac? Wake up, please. 875 01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:39,720 Rage and anger. 876 01:01:00,530 --> 01:01:03,306 This is them. Two men, 19-21 years old. 877 01:01:03,330 --> 01:01:05,646 Sexually confused. I could say that this is 878 01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:08,116 a repressed homosexual relationship. 879 01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:10,936 That's why Marion Reece wasn't raped. 880 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,080 The anger is the repression... 881 01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:15,506 They need the relationship. 882 01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:17,656 Doesn't know why. Dominant... 883 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,606 Dominant is fighting a feeling he sees as wrong. 884 01:01:19,630 --> 01:01:21,820 ...wrong - the love for another man. 885 01:01:25,290 --> 01:01:27,220 Who did Kenneth Gray abuse? 886 01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:30,366 You need to get a list of his victims. 887 01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:32,170 Could it be revenge? 888 01:01:33,570 --> 01:01:36,416 No. It could be revulsion. 889 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,500 Get out of here? What's wrong? 890 01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:42,120 Who said you could get out of bed? 891 01:01:43,570 --> 01:01:44,856 I told you before. 892 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,390 You don't speak to her. 893 01:02:00,230 --> 01:02:04,196 OK. Let's concentrate on known offenders between 19 and 21. 894 01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:05,566 Have we heard from northeast Yorkshire 895 01:02:05,590 --> 01:02:07,430 on any of Gray's victims? 896 01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:11,146 - Not yet. - Can you get on to them, please? 897 01:02:11,170 --> 01:02:14,466 I checked the TV angle on the murders. Tony's right. 898 01:02:14,490 --> 01:02:15,776 Three of the killings were shown 899 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,426 on programing that night or just before. 900 01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:19,106 Three? What about Marion Reece? 901 01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:20,606 No, I haven't found anything yet. 902 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:23,860 Oh, I have. It was a kids' cartoon channel. 903 01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:27,166 - A cartoon? - What's the matter? 904 01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:28,546 What, a cartoon? 905 01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:30,546 - It's an odd choice. - What's odd about it? 906 01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:32,706 Yous how violence on TV, it promotes violence. 907 01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:35,100 Oh, yeah? Which shows did Jack the Ripper watch? 908 01:02:36,050 --> 01:02:37,880 Did Christie have cable? No. 909 01:02:38,590 --> 01:02:41,376 The desire to act the way killers do is already within them. 910 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,526 We breed them. Society, not television. 911 01:02:43,550 --> 01:02:46,206 If it wasn't television in this case, it would be something else. 912 01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:47,586 Brown hair, blue eyes. 913 01:02:47,610 --> 01:02:49,266 Why did you say it was an odd choice? 914 01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:52,370 Because fantasy starts as reality, and then it gets twisted. 915 01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:55,246 A cartoon does not fit. 916 01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:56,556 What time did you say they were on? 917 01:02:56,580 --> 01:02:58,030 Nine o'clock. 918 01:02:58,790 --> 01:03:00,770 What about the others, Kevin? 919 01:03:01,310 --> 01:03:03,086 Nine o'clock. All of them. 920 01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:04,566 How to eroticise cartoon violence? 921 01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:05,876 By doing it? 922 01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:07,630 Why choose it in the first place? 923 01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:10,016 Because it fits the preordained fantasy. 924 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,850 "Let's sit down and watch telly, 925 01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:15,066 "and kill in the first way we see after nine o'clock." 926 01:03:15,090 --> 01:03:18,320 - Why nine o'clock? - I don't know. 927 01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:20,910 But it means something to these two men. 928 01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:24,116 I don't understand. What do you mean, you stole boots? 929 01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:26,086 Two pairs, three weeks ago. 930 01:03:26,110 --> 01:03:28,606 You remember the police came ask if we'd sold them. 931 01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:30,466 - You'd better leave. - Won't you call the police? 932 01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:32,426 I don't think is there much point in that? Do you? 933 01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:33,796 Just get your things and go. 934 01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:35,750 No, I want you to tell the police. 935 01:03:35,810 --> 01:03:37,626 Tell them I stole the boots. Ring them. 936 01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:39,210 Just go! 937 01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:57,430 We need a Stanley knife. 938 01:03:58,510 --> 01:04:00,670 If we know what they're up to, 939 01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:02,966 do we know what they might attempt next? 940 01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:06,040 You obviously don't have satellite or cable, sir. 941 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,656 Up to 200 channels. 942 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,626 I want you to make that appeal, Carol. 943 01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:11,426 Dr. Hill's already advised you. 944 01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:14,840 We are running this inquiry. 945 01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:18,906 Now, as nine o'clock seemed so important to them... 946 01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:21,740 that's when we broadcast. 947 01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:25,410 My decision is made. 948 01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:28,096 Then I want no part in it. 949 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,620 If anybody has any information 950 01:04:30,810 --> 01:04:32,796 as to the identity of those carrying out 951 01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:34,670 these horrific murders, 952 01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:39,420 I would urge you to come forward before any more lives are lost. 953 01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:43,486 Even if, against your wishes, 954 01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:46,630 you have in some way been implicated in these crimes, 955 01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:50,190 now is the time to say enough is enough. 956 01:04:51,450 --> 01:04:54,500 It isn't good for you to watch too much television. 957 01:04:55,450 --> 01:04:58,240 Let's go. It's nine o'clock. 958 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,830 And it's not a good idea for you to start having your own ideas. 959 01:05:27,550 --> 01:05:29,000 What's up? 960 01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:43,580 OK. Thanks. 961 01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:45,600 Damn. 962 01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:47,046 They looked up Gray's victims. 963 01:05:47,070 --> 01:05:49,180 They've all committed offences. 964 01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:51,556 Abuse a child, you destroy their life. 965 01:05:51,580 --> 01:05:53,086 None of them fit the profile. 966 01:05:53,110 --> 01:05:54,786 - They must do. - Well, they don't! 967 01:05:54,810 --> 01:05:56,980 Why not just admit you've been wrong? 968 01:06:01,590 --> 01:06:03,040 - I've been wrong. - No. 969 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,730 The age of the offenders, the selection of Kenneth Gray, 970 01:06:08,610 --> 01:06:10,206 the drive of the crime, 971 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:12,860 the gap between his murder and the other offences - 972 01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:14,520 it's connected to him. 973 01:06:16,350 --> 01:06:17,800 I know it, Carol. 974 01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:19,500 OK. 975 01:06:20,570 --> 01:06:24,200 What if... Gray's victims never came forward? 976 01:06:25,860 --> 01:06:27,570 They kept the secret? 977 01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:33,080 Then who's more likely? 978 01:06:34,450 --> 01:06:35,900 11 years old, 979 01:06:36,290 --> 01:06:37,740 interfered with, 980 01:06:37,810 --> 01:06:40,100 already emotionally retarded - 981 01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:41,920 the submissive. 982 01:06:43,350 --> 01:06:45,570 Yeah, you're right. Who says he admitted being a victim? 983 01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:55,880 Can we go now? 984 01:06:56,770 --> 01:06:58,920 - What's the hurry? - I just wanna go. 985 01:07:00,110 --> 01:07:01,686 Don't like it round here. 986 01:07:01,710 --> 01:07:03,840 Huh! There's nothing round here that can harm us. 987 01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:06,350 And this guy ain't going anywhere. 988 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,050 Look at him. 989 01:07:09,570 --> 01:07:11,800 Michael, I just wanna go home. 990 01:07:12,790 --> 01:07:14,640 I don't like this any more. 991 01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:40,820 Where's Mac? 992 01:07:42,110 --> 01:07:44,030 He decided he wouldn't be part of it. 993 01:07:44,490 --> 01:07:45,940 His choice. 994 01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:51,340 What are you looking at? What? 995 01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:55,830 Is that better? Can you see OK now? 996 01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:58,680 Watch this. 997 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,286 What is it? 998 01:08:00,310 --> 01:08:02,570 Something I videotaped earlier. 999 01:08:10,790 --> 01:08:12,650 This one's the owner of the car. 1000 01:08:14,110 --> 01:08:15,640 Who's this bloke, then? 1001 01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:17,666 The video card in his wallet 1002 01:08:17,690 --> 01:08:19,440 says his name's Paul Macmillan. 1003 01:08:19,870 --> 01:08:22,060 The car driver's girlfriend has never heard of him. 1004 01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:24,460 The submissive? 1005 01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:27,040 Yeah. 1006 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:31,860 The dominant has crossed the line. 1007 01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,970 Smile! It'll be fun. 1008 01:08:47,750 --> 01:08:50,960 It was just... the way she was so insistent. 1009 01:08:51,150 --> 01:08:53,266 I'm sure it's nothing. I shouldn't have rung... 1010 01:08:53,290 --> 01:08:55,306 Do you have her full name and address? 1011 01:08:55,330 --> 01:08:56,780 Yeah. 1012 01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:10,316 Paul Macmillan's on the list of ex-pupils 1013 01:09:10,340 --> 01:09:12,000 at Kenneth Gray's school. 1014 01:09:12,710 --> 01:09:15,386 A string of antisocial and violent offences. 1015 01:09:15,410 --> 01:09:16,876 No known associates, but he spend 1016 01:09:16,900 --> 01:09:18,626 time at York Offenders Institute, 1017 01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:20,336 where he's a learning disability programme. 1018 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,046 It is him. He is the submissive. 1019 01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:25,530 According to his records, his blood group is A-Rhesus negative, 1020 01:09:25,790 --> 01:09:28,466 the same type on Marion Reece's fridge. 1021 01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:30,480 He made him write in his own blood. 1022 01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:31,906 And guess what happens at York 1023 01:09:31,930 --> 01:09:34,200 Young Offenders every night at nine? 1024 01:09:34,570 --> 01:09:36,280 Lock-in. 1025 01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:38,646 The time they can sit and fantasise. 1026 01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:41,256 Find out who he shared a room with, who he was close to. 1027 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,780 Have we found an address on that video card? 1028 01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:02,890 Leah, are you in there? 1029 01:10:17,230 --> 01:10:18,680 In. 1030 01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:36,920 Bogus address. They've never heard of him. 1031 01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:40,700 Damn. 1032 01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:49,790 Have you ever raped a woman before? 1033 01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:04,870 Bradfield CID. Could I have a word? 1034 01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:21,066 I don't know if it's a help, but the girl who stole the Treadman boots 1035 01:11:21,090 --> 01:11:23,666 lives with two guys in their early 20s. 1036 01:11:23,690 --> 01:11:25,566 Any evidence she's being abused? 1037 01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:27,736 Her boss said she often had bruises, 1038 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,156 and a neighbour said it sounds like 1039 01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:30,630 she was taking a beating. 1040 01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:33,700 What's she got to do with it? 1041 01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:36,366 I thought we had our pair. You said it was two males. 1042 01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:38,846 It is. She's the dominant's girlfriend. 1043 01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:40,940 It's classic repression. 1044 01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:53,336 If I'm right, then is probable 1045 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,036 he'll escalate his abuse of her by involving her. 1046 01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:58,320 - Is she in danger? - Oh, yeah. 1047 01:11:58,850 --> 01:12:00,326 And she knows it. 1048 01:12:00,350 --> 01:12:02,820 That's why she admitted to stealing the shoes. 1049 01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:05,960 She wants someone to help her escape. 1050 01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:11,000 Tie her to the tree. 1051 01:12:38,690 --> 01:12:40,790 - Macmillan. - That's Leah. 1052 01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:42,820 Who's that bloke, then? 1053 01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:53,040 I'm sorry. 1054 01:13:01,930 --> 01:13:04,040 Get this place sealed off. 1055 01:13:21,190 --> 01:13:24,600 We've got a name. Michael James Dawson. 1056 01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:10,260 Light the fire. 1057 01:14:10,910 --> 01:14:13,470 We need to sterilise the instruments. 1058 01:14:17,850 --> 01:14:19,796 We've had a report of a male and female, 1059 01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:22,300 20s, abducting a woman at knifepoint. 1060 01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,386 Driving a green Audi, an L reg. 1061 01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:27,336 OK. Circulate the description. Priority. Do not tempt apprehend. 1062 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,766 This man is dangerous. Repeat, extremely dangerous. 1063 01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:32,686 - Where will he have taken her? - We've got him. 1064 01:14:32,710 --> 01:14:34,456 Michael James Dawson, age 20. 1065 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:38,210 Convicted GBH, ABH, wounding and abducting a boy of 16. 1066 01:14:38,290 --> 01:14:41,106 Dawson and Macmillan shared a cell at York for six months. 1067 01:14:41,130 --> 01:14:42,696 Macmillan came out four months ago. 1068 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,740 Dawson came out the day before Gray disappeared. 1069 01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:55,440 Heat them in the flames. 1070 01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:07,606 Leah and the other woman could already be dead. 1071 01:15:07,630 --> 01:15:10,626 Well, not necessarily. Torture's a ritual. It takes time. 1072 01:15:10,650 --> 01:15:12,370 I don't know what's worse. 1073 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:15,766 Where will he have taken them? 1074 01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:17,600 Well, the video's set in a wood. 1075 01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:21,300 He's using the corridor between Bradfield, York and the sea. 1076 01:15:22,170 --> 01:15:24,920 When he took Andy and Gray, that's the road he took. 1077 01:15:25,050 --> 01:15:26,396 This is DCI Jordan. 1078 01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:28,816 Request all units on the Bradfield to York road. 1079 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,240 I want a check of all wooded areas. 1080 01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:39,900 You - 1081 01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:42,460 you do it. 1082 01:15:44,010 --> 01:15:45,690 Do it for me. 1083 01:15:48,910 --> 01:15:51,260 Is he going to kill Leah as well? 1084 01:15:52,890 --> 01:15:54,340 I think so. 1085 01:15:56,270 --> 01:16:00,020 - I can't. - Do it. For me. 1086 01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:06,920 Control room, this is Mike Sierra One Five. 1087 01:16:07,670 --> 01:16:09,666 Control here. Car matching description 1088 01:16:09,690 --> 01:16:11,450 sighted at Penny Bank woods. 1089 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,326 It's too far. 1090 01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:15,056 What units are present? Over. 1091 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,366 Two dog handlers. 1092 01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:18,286 Nearest units five miles away. 1093 01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:20,200 If we don't act, Carol, they die. 1094 01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:22,046 How? How do we act? 1095 01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:24,026 I send them in, 1096 01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:25,986 Dawson's alerted, he kills the woman and Leah. 1097 01:16:26,010 --> 01:16:28,016 I hold back, he kills the woman and Leah. 1098 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,730 Then we have to rely on Leah. 1099 01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:31,236 Leah? 1100 01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:33,470 She wants a way out of that relationship. 1101 01:16:34,150 --> 01:16:35,900 We must give it to her. 1102 01:16:38,170 --> 01:16:40,360 They have to go in without alarming him. 1103 01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:43,440 Can I talk to them? 1104 01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:50,300 You want me to help you? 1105 01:16:59,530 --> 01:17:02,366 No, please, don't make me do this. 1106 01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:05,840 It's really... very... easy. 1107 01:17:18,970 --> 01:17:20,980 OK. When you're ready. 1108 01:17:25,150 --> 01:17:27,740 Wha ? Who the hell do they belong to? 1109 01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:13,740 - Is he dead? - I don't know. 1110 01:18:16,770 --> 01:18:18,670 Either way, it's over, Leah. 1111 01:18:19,450 --> 01:18:20,900 It's over. 1112 01:18:23,210 --> 01:18:25,340 He killed Paul, didn't he? 1113 01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:28,120 And those other people that was on the news? 1114 01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:29,900 Yes, he did. 1115 01:18:54,450 --> 01:18:56,690 - Good work, Carol. - Thank you, sir. 1116 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,000 Dawson's out of danger. 1117 01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:16,836 So she's just got the long sentence 1118 01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:18,790 of adjusting to life without abuse. 1119 01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:24,640 - What? - Nothing. 1120 01:19:24,930 --> 01:19:26,540 I was just thinking. 1121 01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:30,430 We work well together. 1122 01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:11,760 Carol? 1123 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,580 Don't forget to wash your hands. 1124 01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:21,220 Oh, and I found you the most wonderful tie today. 1125 01:20:28,180 --> 01:20:30,970 The Cognitive Behavioural Therapy Department, please. 1126 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,570 It's Dr. Hill. 1127 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,366 I've got someone here Dr. Franken 1128 01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:37,530 would be very interested to meet. 1129 01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:40,216 Tell him to call me back in half an hour. 1130 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,690 Thank you. 1131 01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:56,020 For what we are about to receive 1132 01:20:56,590 --> 01:20:59,720 may the Lord make us truly thankful. 1133 01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:01,960 Amen. 1134 01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:26,100 That's some distance, or is that part of the charge? 1135 01:21:27,490 --> 01:21:28,786 Seven of clubs. 1136 01:21:28,810 --> 01:21:30,096 Where the hell does that fit? 1137 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,830 Hearts, diamonds, clubs... 1138 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:34,226 Could be working his way through the suits. 1139 01:21:34,250 --> 01:21:36,186 Working his way through the dead! 1140 01:21:36,210 --> 01:21:39,586 You've been suffering from, among other things, irritability. 1141 01:21:39,610 --> 01:21:41,766 The headaches will become more severe. 1142 01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:46,330 You will lose the ability to walk. Eventually you'll die. 1143 01:21:46,570 --> 01:21:48,370 Carol, it might not happen for years. 1144 01:21:48,850 --> 01:21:50,520 We've all got to die of something. 1145 01:21:51,850 --> 01:21:53,226 This guy's a gambler, Carol. 1146 01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:55,260 That's why he leaves the cards. 1147 01:21:55,530 --> 01:21:57,126 - Jack of diamonds. - Or the knave. 1148 01:21:57,150 --> 01:21:59,536 If he could put it into words, he wouldn't be shooting people. 1149 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,166 The man you're after is intelligent and methodical. 1150 01:22:02,190 --> 01:22:05,440 He's highly organised. He left nothing to chance, Carol. 1151 01:22:08,570 --> 01:22:10,486 I don't want any more innocent people to die. 1152 01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:12,616 - No-one's innocent. - You've done all you can. 1153 01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,576 - You've covered all angles. - I know that, Tony. 1154 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:15,886 Then why are we having such shit luck? 1155 01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:17,296 As the killer's confidence grows, 1156 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,770 he extends his territory. 1157 01:22:19,630 --> 01:22:22,530 - So the longer this goes on... - The worse it'll get. 1158 01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:27,986 Can't think straight. 1159 01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:29,590 I don't know what's real and... 1160 01:22:30,710 --> 01:22:32,366 what's accident. What's intention... 1161 01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:33,676 You want Nice Tony back, do you? 1162 01:22:33,700 --> 01:22:36,026 I'll take any Tony I can get, as long as he's alive. 1163 01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:37,790 He's picking his victims at random, Carol. 1164 01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,116 God playing dice with the universe. 1165 01:22:41,140 --> 01:22:44,100 We care about what we care about fighting for. 1166 01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,360 That's what gives our lives meaning. 81703

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