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The thing inside of me, it's like...

the appetite, it's like a wolf that's...

feeling... the hunger.

It's unusual that an individual, a suspect,

would flag you down as a police officer and say, "Hey, hey,

I did something wrong."

The lack of emotional reactivity

is particularly striking.

His affect is flat. It's very matter-of-fact.

We know that individuals with psychopathic traits often don't

have the same emotional reaction to heinous events.

And even if they do, individuals with psychopathy

are also able to mask those emotions.

Now, in this sense, Muniz doesn't appear to have

a strong emotional reaction to these murders.

If anything, he's just saying, "Hey, go ahead and handcuff me.

I want to get this over with."

We are receiving more details on the deadly shooting off

West 37Th Street in the Brooklyn Center area.

The suspect and the victims are all from the same family

and three victims are confirmed dead.

They are 69-year-old Miguel Gonzalez,

the suspect's stepfather, the shooter's sister,

34-year-old Angelic Gonzalez, and her son,

16-year-old Jayden.

The other two victims were taken to the hospital

in critical condition.

That you see in this crime,

there's children involved,

there's an elderly person involved,

and most significantly, perhaps, these are all people

that are related to each other.

They're siblings, they're parents,

they're nieces and nephews.

And Muniz has just approached the authorities like he lost

his favorite phone, he lost an object, and he needs

help finding it.

And there doesn't seem to be any emotional connection to

the seriousness of what he's done, the gravity of it,

the fact that there have been children killed or harmed,

and the total callousness with which he describes his crime

really sets the stage for what

we're looking at in this criminal.

It sums it up beautifully.

In this moment, you get a psychopath

explaining their reasoning.

They treated him badly, so he killed them.

I mean, to him, it's an equation.

It's like, that's how the world works.

If you treat me badly,

I'll do what I feel like, including killing you.

And again, it doesn't matter who it is.

These are his family members.

But, you know, innocent niece and nephew.

Doesn't matter.

The way they treated him, so I killed them.

He feels absolutely justified in his actions.

Muniz is 41 years old.

He's been incarcerated for about 21 years of his life.

And we know from the records that he has quite a bit of

criminal versatility in his history.

So starting from a younger age through now, he's engaged in

a range of crimes, from robbery to assault

to possession of a weapon.

We don't know a lot about Muniz's childhood, but we know

that individuals that tend to engage in antisocial behavior

from early on in life, and then that spreads into more

diverse types of crimes, we know that individuals

typically have had perhaps some adverse childhood experiences,

some forms of trauma, some forms of neglect,

or, you know, and perhaps they've been

a victim of crime themselves.

Muniz looks at people as transactional.

If they can do something for him, they have a purpose.

These people were no longer feeding him.

These people were no longer housing him in a manner

he approved of.

He clearly felt he was entitled to more and to better quality,

but he clearly didn't feel that he was responsible for

providing his own experiences.

Once they were no longer instrumental to him,

they could no longer do anything

for him, they were useless.

He's saying, in the beginning, "I want to remember."

But then there's another element in the way that

he tells the story, and you hear many details,

every detail, it seems, that he's sort of reliving

the experience and these violent murders that he committed.

With regard to shooting his niece, there's almost

an element of impression management here

in that he's saying, "Well, but I didn't want her to die."

She was innocent, so that's why I didn't shoot her in the face,

as if that was doing her a favor.

But actually, he shot her in the neck, and she was in

critical condition, and she very well could have

died from that gunshot wound.

So he is saying it as if he's a kind guy, that this was

a thoughtful behavior of his.

But you know, why shoot her in the first place?

So this is a good example of the externalization,

that the only reason that certain outcomes happened is

because other people did the things that they did.

If a psychopath does not get what they need from somebody,

that is the only value that other people have, is that what

can they do for the psychopath?

So if people are not providing the psychopath with what

he needs, they should just be discarded.

That's their internal logic.

There is a sense that, OK, he is confessing.

So therefore, there is some element of taking the blame,

taking responsibility for these murders.

But in the grander scheme of things, he's actually pointing

the finger at everyone else.

Not only was it initially with his family,

now he's blaming the system. The system let him down.

They shouldn't have let him out.

Hey, I warned them.

Yes, he's accepting responsibility in that

he's confessing, but everything else about this interview is him

saying, "But it wasn't my fault, really."

It was everyone else's fault.

We start to see that there's a deeper anger,

there's a deeper rage, and there's a deeper motive.

It wasn't just a matter of the food got eaten,

and people didn't consider him, and there was a narcissistic

injury that he was rejected.

This is somebody who's been holding on to anger and rage

for this family much of his life.

And maybe that specific day, the fact that he went upstairs

and there was no food again for him, that was the powder keg.

He takes no real responsibility for the fact that

he killed them. They're dead because of him.

And he has a reasonable expectation

that he's going to...

probably spend the rest of his life in jail.

So at some point, maybe he does the calculus and realizes,

well, he has nothing to lose, and therefore he can indulge in

a little bit of bragging and sort of showing himself

to be somebody who has killed before.

And they didn't catch him.

This happened 10 years ago and he got away with it.

And save for the fact that he's admitting to it now,

they never would have caught him.

It's possible that he's trying to kind of create a reputation

and make himself out to be this sort of big deal, sort of,

in the eyes of the detectives.

I think in his own words, Muniz is really describing

the fact that he's a parasite. He's happy to be taken care of.

He doesn't want to be bothered.

He doesn't want to have to do anything.

As long as he doesn't try, he can't fail.

And that's when we start to pay close attention to narcissism.

What's ultimate behind it is a very fragile ego.

What's really behind it is a very fractured personality

that is scared.

And the more narcissistic someone is,

the more broken they are.

And in the case of Muniz, he's so flat and shallow in

his emotions and affect, and yet he's so committed to

this narcissism and he's so committed to being a parasite

that he can't even bother to fully participate in

this confession.

He can't fully participate in this interrogation

to give them simple information.

The minute he starts to feel taxed, exhausted or bored,

he just taps out of the interview.

Whatever happened to you with regards to the case is

because you deserve it.

No one can make the ultimate decision besides the judge.

I gotta sit through this?

- [bleep], man. - Mr.-- Mr. Muniz--

, what can you do to me, bro?

I don't want to hear this [bleep].

The judge had to call for break to get Muniz

under control.

Eventually, it resumed with statements and then Muniz

received his sentence, life in prison, four consecutive times.

Guilty.

If he had any remorse for what he did,

Muniz didn't show it.