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The thing inside of me,
it's like...
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the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...
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feeling... the hunger.
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It's unusual that
an individual, a suspect,
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would flag you down as a police
officer and say, "Hey, hey,
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I did something wrong."
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The lack of emotional
reactivity
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is particularly striking.
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His affect is flat.
It's very matter-of-fact.
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We know that individuals with
psychopathic traits often don't
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have the same emotional
reaction to heinous events.
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And even if they do,
individuals with psychopathy
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are also able to mask
those emotions.
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Now, in this sense,
Muniz doesn't appear to have
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a strong emotional reaction to
these murders.
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If anything, he's just saying,
"Hey, go ahead and handcuff me.
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I want to get this over with."
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We are receiving more details
on the deadly shooting off
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West 37Th Street in
the Brooklyn Center area.
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The suspect and the victims are
all from the same family
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and three victims are
confirmed dead.
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They are 69-year-old
Miguel Gonzalez,
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the suspect's stepfather,
the shooter's sister,
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34-year-old Angelic Gonzalez,
and her son,
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16-year-old Jayden.
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The other two victims were
taken to the hospital
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in critical condition.
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That you see in this crime,
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there's children involved,
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there's an elderly
person involved,
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and most significantly,
perhaps, these are all people
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that are related to each other.
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They're siblings,
they're parents,
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they're nieces and nephews.
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And Muniz has just approached
the authorities like he lost
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his favorite phone,
he lost an object, and he needs
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help finding it.
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And there doesn't seem to be
any emotional connection to
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the seriousness of what he's
done, the gravity of it,
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the fact that there have been
children killed or harmed,
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and the total callousness with
which he describes his crime
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really sets the stage for what
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we're looking at in
this criminal.
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It sums it up beautifully.
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In this moment,
you get a psychopath
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explaining their reasoning.
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They treated him badly,
so he killed them.
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I mean, to him,
it's an equation.
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It's like, that's how
the world works.
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If you treat me badly,
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I'll do what I feel like,
including killing you.
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And again, it doesn't matter
who it is.
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These are his family members.
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But, you know, innocent
niece and nephew.
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Doesn't matter.
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The way they treated him,
so I killed them.
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He feels absolutely justified
in his actions.
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Muniz is 41 years old.
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He's been incarcerated for
about 21 years of his life.
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And we know from the records
that he has quite a bit of
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criminal versatility in
his history.
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So starting from a younger age
through now, he's engaged in
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a range of crimes,
from robbery to assault
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to possession of a weapon.
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We don't know a lot about
Muniz's childhood, but we know
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that individuals that tend to
engage in antisocial behavior
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from early on in life,
and then that spreads into more
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diverse types of crimes,
we know that individuals
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typically have had perhaps some
adverse childhood experiences,
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some forms of trauma,
some forms of neglect,
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or, you know,
and perhaps they've been
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a victim of crime themselves.
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Muniz looks at
people as transactional.
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If they can do something for
him, they have a purpose.
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These people were no longer
feeding him.
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These people were no longer
housing him in a manner
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he approved of.
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He clearly felt he was entitled
to more and to better quality,
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but he clearly didn't feel that
he was responsible for
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providing his own experiences.
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Once they were no longer
instrumental to him,
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they could no longer do anything
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for him, they were useless.
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He's saying, in the beginning,
"I want to remember."
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But then there's another
element in the way that
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he tells the story,
and you hear many details,
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every detail, it seems,
that he's sort of reliving
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the experience and these violent
murders that he committed.
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With regard to shooting
his niece, there's almost
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an element of impression
management here
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in that he's saying, "Well,
but I didn't want her to die."
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She was innocent, so that's why
I didn't shoot her in the face,
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as if that was
doing her a favor.
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But actually, he shot her in
the neck, and she was in
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critical condition,
and she very well could have
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died from that gunshot wound.
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So he is saying it as if
he's a kind guy, that this was
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a thoughtful behavior of his.
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But you know, why shoot her in
the first place?
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So this is a good example
of the externalization,
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that the only reason that
certain outcomes happened is
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because other people did
the things that they did.
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If a psychopath does not get
what they need from somebody,
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that is the only value that
other people have, is that what
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can they do for the psychopath?
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So if people are not providing
the psychopath with what
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he needs, they should just
be discarded.
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That's their internal logic.
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There is a sense that,
OK, he is confessing.
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So therefore, there is some
element of taking the blame,
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taking responsibility for
these murders.
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But in the grander scheme of
things, he's actually pointing
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the finger at everyone else.
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Not only was it initially
with his family,
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now he's blaming the system.
The system let him down.
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They shouldn't have let
him out.
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Hey, I warned them.
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Yes, he's accepting
responsibility in that
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he's confessing, but everything
else about this interview is him
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saying, "But it wasn't
my fault, really."
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It was everyone else's fault.
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We start to see that
there's a deeper anger,
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there's a deeper rage,
and there's a deeper motive.
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It wasn't just a matter of
the food got eaten,
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and people didn't consider him,
and there was a narcissistic
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injury that he was rejected.
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This is somebody who's been
holding on to anger and rage
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for this family much
of his life.
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And maybe that specific day,
the fact that he went upstairs
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and there was no food again for
him, that was the powder keg.
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He takes no real responsibility
for the fact that
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he killed them.
They're dead because of him.
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And he has a reasonable
expectation
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that he's going to...
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probably spend the rest of
his life in jail.
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So at some point, maybe he does
the calculus and realizes,
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well, he has nothing to lose,
and therefore he can indulge in
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a little bit of bragging
and sort of showing himself
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to be somebody who has
killed before.
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And they didn't catch him.
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This happened 10 years ago
and he got away with it.
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And save for the fact that
he's admitting to it now,
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they never would have
caught him.
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It's possible that he's trying
to kind of create a reputation
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and make himself out to be this
sort of big deal, sort of,
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in the eyes of the detectives.
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I think in his own words,
Muniz is really describing
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the fact that he's a parasite.
He's happy to be taken care of.
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He doesn't want to be bothered.
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He doesn't want to have to
do anything.
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As long as he doesn't try,
he can't fail.
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And that's when we start to pay
close attention to narcissism.
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What's ultimate behind it is
a very fragile ego.
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What's really behind it is
a very fractured personality
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that is scared.
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And the more narcissistic
someone is,
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the more broken they are.
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And in the case of Muniz,
he's so flat and shallow in
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his emotions and affect,
and yet he's so committed to
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this narcissism and he's so
committed to being a parasite
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that he can't even bother to
fully participate in
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this confession.
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He can't fully participate
in this interrogation
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to give them simple information.
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The minute he starts to feel
taxed, exhausted or bored,
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he just taps out
of the interview.
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Whatever happened to you
with regards to the case is
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because you deserve it.
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No one can make the ultimate
decision besides the judge.
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I gotta sit through this?
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- [bleep], man.
- Mr.-- Mr. Muniz--
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, what can you do
to me, bro?
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I don't want to hear
this [bleep].
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The judge had to call for
break to get Muniz
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under control.
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Eventually, it resumed with
statements and then Muniz
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received his sentence, life in
prison, four consecutive times.
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Guilty.
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If he had any remorse
for what he did,
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Muniz didn't show it.
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