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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:00,850 --> 00:01:02,520 The thing inside of me, it's like... 2 00:01:04,390 --> 00:01:05,890 the appetite, it's like a wolf that's... 3 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:10,860 feeling... the hunger. 4 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,710 It's unusual that an individual, a suspect, 5 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:11,500 would flag you down as a police officer and say, "Hey, hey, 6 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:12,840 I did something wrong." 7 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,630 The lack of emotional reactivity 8 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,630 is particularly striking. 9 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,970 His affect is flat. It's very matter-of-fact. 10 00:02:21,970 --> 00:02:24,970 We know that individuals with psychopathic traits often don't 11 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:29,480 have the same emotional reaction to heinous events. 12 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,020 And even if they do, individuals with psychopathy 13 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:35,480 are also able to mask those emotions. 14 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Now, in this sense, Muniz doesn't appear to have 15 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,910 a strong emotional reaction to these murders. 16 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:44,700 If anything, he's just saying, "Hey, go ahead and handcuff me. 17 00:02:44,830 --> 00:02:45,870 I want to get this over with." 18 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:20,400 We are receiving more details on the deadly shooting off 19 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:23,530 West 37Th Street in the Brooklyn Center area. 20 00:03:23,530 --> 00:03:26,120 The suspect and the victims are all from the same family 21 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,740 and three victims are confirmed dead. 22 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:30,750 They are 69-year-old Miguel Gonzalez, 23 00:03:30,870 --> 00:03:33,290 the suspect's stepfather, the shooter's sister, 24 00:03:33,290 --> 00:03:36,380 34-year-old Angelic Gonzalez, and her son, 25 00:03:36,380 --> 00:03:37,880 16-year-old Jayden. 26 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,050 The other two victims were taken to the hospital 27 00:03:40,050 --> 00:03:41,090 in critical condition. 28 00:03:57,230 --> 00:04:00,230 That you see in this crime, 29 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,780 there's children involved, 30 00:04:01,780 --> 00:04:03,570 there's an elderly person involved, 31 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:06,490 and most significantly, perhaps, these are all people 32 00:04:06,490 --> 00:04:07,580 that are related to each other. 33 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:09,620 They're siblings, they're parents, 34 00:04:09,620 --> 00:04:11,410 they're nieces and nephews. 35 00:04:11,410 --> 00:04:16,790 And Muniz has just approached the authorities like he lost 36 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:19,590 his favorite phone, he lost an object, and he needs 37 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:20,960 help finding it. 38 00:04:21,090 --> 00:04:23,590 And there doesn't seem to be any emotional connection to 39 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,260 the seriousness of what he's done, the gravity of it, 40 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:29,260 the fact that there have been children killed or harmed, 41 00:04:29,390 --> 00:04:33,100 and the total callousness with which he describes his crime 42 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:34,480 really sets the stage for what 43 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,730 we're looking at in this criminal. 44 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,990 It sums it up beautifully. 45 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:27,240 In this moment, you get a psychopath 46 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,700 explaining their reasoning. 47 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:32,490 They treated him badly, so he killed them. 48 00:05:32,490 --> 00:05:34,540 I mean, to him, it's an equation. 49 00:05:34,660 --> 00:05:36,370 It's like, that's how the world works. 50 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:37,420 If you treat me badly, 51 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:40,880 I'll do what I feel like, including killing you. 52 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 And again, it doesn't matter who it is. 53 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,920 These are his family members. 54 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,510 But, you know, innocent niece and nephew. 55 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,050 Doesn't matter. 56 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:53,220 The way they treated him, so I killed them. 57 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:55,850 He feels absolutely justified in his actions. 58 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,130 Muniz is 41 years old. 59 00:06:22,130 --> 00:06:25,880 He's been incarcerated for about 21 years of his life. 60 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,760 And we know from the records that he has quite a bit of 61 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,890 criminal versatility in his history. 62 00:06:31,010 --> 00:06:35,220 So starting from a younger age through now, he's engaged in 63 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:39,600 a range of crimes, from robbery to assault 64 00:06:39,730 --> 00:06:40,900 to possession of a weapon. 65 00:06:42,310 --> 00:06:45,940 We don't know a lot about Muniz's childhood, but we know 66 00:06:46,070 --> 00:06:49,740 that individuals that tend to engage in antisocial behavior 67 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:53,910 from early on in life, and then that spreads into more 68 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:57,950 diverse types of crimes, we know that individuals 69 00:06:57,950 --> 00:07:02,580 typically have had perhaps some adverse childhood experiences, 70 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:05,670 some forms of trauma, some forms of neglect, 71 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:07,420 or, you know, and perhaps they've been 72 00:07:07,420 --> 00:07:09,420 a victim of crime themselves. 73 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,620 Muniz looks at people as transactional. 74 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:02,160 If they can do something for him, they have a purpose. 75 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,410 These people were no longer feeding him. 76 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:08,130 These people were no longer housing him in a manner 77 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:09,500 he approved of. 78 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:13,420 He clearly felt he was entitled to more and to better quality, 79 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:16,470 but he clearly didn't feel that he was responsible for 80 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:18,640 providing his own experiences. 81 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Once they were no longer instrumental to him, 82 00:09:20,890 --> 00:09:22,140 they could no longer do anything 83 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:23,600 for him, they were useless. 84 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:55,440 He's saying, in the beginning, "I want to remember." 85 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,570 But then there's another element in the way that 86 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,450 he tells the story, and you hear many details, 87 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:03,700 every detail, it seems, that he's sort of reliving 88 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:07,910 the experience and these violent murders that he committed. 89 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,120 With regard to shooting his niece, there's almost 90 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:14,290 an element of impression management here 91 00:11:14,290 --> 00:11:17,210 in that he's saying, "Well, but I didn't want her to die." 92 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:21,050 She was innocent, so that's why I didn't shoot her in the face, 93 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:23,220 as if that was doing her a favor. 94 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:26,930 But actually, he shot her in the neck, and she was in 95 00:11:26,930 --> 00:11:29,270 critical condition, and she very well could have 96 00:11:29,390 --> 00:11:31,270 died from that gunshot wound. 97 00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:36,570 So he is saying it as if he's a kind guy, that this was 98 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:38,280 a thoughtful behavior of his. 99 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,860 But you know, why shoot her in the first place? 100 00:12:18,190 --> 00:12:21,440 So this is a good example of the externalization, 101 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,820 that the only reason that certain outcomes happened is 102 00:12:26,950 --> 00:12:31,290 because other people did the things that they did. 103 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:35,500 If a psychopath does not get what they need from somebody, 104 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:38,840 that is the only value that other people have, is that what 105 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,300 can they do for the psychopath? 106 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:44,510 So if people are not providing the psychopath with what 107 00:12:44,630 --> 00:12:48,010 he needs, they should just be discarded. 108 00:12:48,140 --> 00:12:49,850 That's their internal logic. 109 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,210 There is a sense that, OK, he is confessing. 110 00:13:16,210 --> 00:13:19,380 So therefore, there is some element of taking the blame, 111 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:22,050 taking responsibility for these murders. 112 00:13:22,050 --> 00:13:25,550 But in the grander scheme of things, he's actually pointing 113 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,180 the finger at everyone else. 114 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:30,220 Not only was it initially with his family, 115 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:34,020 now he's blaming the system. The system let him down. 116 00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:35,180 They shouldn't have let him out. 117 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:36,890 Hey, I warned them. 118 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:39,400 Yes, he's accepting responsibility in that 119 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,530 he's confessing, but everything else about this interview is him 120 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:47,530 saying, "But it wasn't my fault, really." 121 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:48,950 It was everyone else's fault. 122 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,750 We start to see that there's a deeper anger, 123 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,090 there's a deeper rage, and there's a deeper motive. 124 00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:46,920 It wasn't just a matter of the food got eaten, 125 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:49,840 and people didn't consider him, and there was a narcissistic 126 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,590 injury that he was rejected. 127 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,180 This is somebody who's been holding on to anger and rage 128 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:56,220 for this family much of his life. 129 00:14:57,270 --> 00:15:00,100 And maybe that specific day, the fact that he went upstairs 130 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:04,980 and there was no food again for him, that was the powder keg. 131 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:07,190 He takes no real responsibility for the fact that 132 00:15:07,190 --> 00:15:09,320 he killed them. They're dead because of him. 133 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,920 And he has a reasonable expectation 134 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,220 that he's going to... 135 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,220 probably spend the rest of his life in jail. 136 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:21,060 So at some point, maybe he does the calculus and realizes, 137 00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:26,060 well, he has nothing to lose, and therefore he can indulge in 138 00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:29,900 a little bit of bragging and sort of showing himself 139 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:32,400 to be somebody who has killed before. 140 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:36,240 And they didn't catch him. 141 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,950 This happened 10 years ago and he got away with it. 142 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,290 And save for the fact that he's admitting to it now, 143 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:44,290 they never would have caught him. 144 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:49,750 It's possible that he's trying to kind of create a reputation 145 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,800 and make himself out to be this sort of big deal, sort of, 146 00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:55,430 in the eyes of the detectives. 147 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:25,180 I think in his own words, Muniz is really describing 148 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:28,520 the fact that he's a parasite. He's happy to be taken care of. 149 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,060 He doesn't want to be bothered. 150 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:32,020 He doesn't want to have to do anything. 151 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,190 As long as he doesn't try, he can't fail. 152 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,200 And that's when we start to pay close attention to narcissism. 153 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,240 What's ultimate behind it is a very fragile ego. 154 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,200 What's really behind it is a very fractured personality 155 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,080 that is scared. 156 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,120 And the more narcissistic someone is, 157 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,040 the more broken they are. 158 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,380 And in the case of Muniz, he's so flat and shallow in 159 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:58,760 his emotions and affect, and yet he's so committed to 160 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,470 this narcissism and he's so committed to being a parasite 161 00:19:03,050 --> 00:19:06,310 that he can't even bother to fully participate in 162 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:07,970 this confession. 163 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:11,100 He can't fully participate in this interrogation 164 00:19:11,230 --> 00:19:12,600 to give them simple information. 165 00:19:12,610 --> 00:19:16,320 The minute he starts to feel taxed, exhausted or bored, 166 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,440 he just taps out of the interview. 167 00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:47,760 Whatever happened to you with regards to the case is 168 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:49,100 because you deserve it. 169 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:51,810 No one can make the ultimate decision besides the judge. 170 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,270 I gotta sit through this? 171 00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:57,480 - [bleep], man. - Mr.-- Mr. Muniz-- 172 00:19:57,610 --> 00:19:59,980 , what can you do to me, bro? 173 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:01,280 I don't want to hear this [bleep]. 174 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,160 The judge had to call for break to get Muniz 175 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,490 under control. 176 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:08,990 Eventually, it resumed with statements and then Muniz 177 00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:13,000 received his sentence, life in prison, four consecutive times. 178 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,170 Guilty. 179 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:17,290 If he had any remorse for what he did, 180 00:20:17,290 --> 00:20:18,500 Muniz didn't show it. 14847

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