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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,737 --> 00:00:09,431 - At 18, I was charged with murder. 2 00:00:10,648 --> 00:00:15,058 Notorious, the teenage dominatrix. 3 00:00:15,058 --> 00:00:19,250 I was accused of killing a respected English cricket umpire 4 00:00:19,250 --> 00:00:22,923 by throwing him bound hand and foot into a raging river. 5 00:00:22,923 --> 00:00:26,883 I was very naive, very young, very stupid. 6 00:00:26,883 --> 00:00:31,106 - It was just an incredibly sad, sad story 7 00:00:31,106 --> 00:00:34,988 of a girl who got involved with the wrong people. 8 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:40,365 - [Renee] I was charged with my then boyfriend, 9 00:00:40,365 --> 00:00:41,463 Neville Walker. 10 00:00:43,556 --> 00:00:47,247 The shocking secrets of bondage and discipline were exposed 11 00:00:47,247 --> 00:00:50,281 for the first time in three sensational trials 12 00:00:50,281 --> 00:00:52,095 that gripped a whole nation. 13 00:00:52,095 --> 00:00:55,442 - She looked for all the world like a demure debutante. 14 00:00:55,442 --> 00:00:58,477 She did not look like a murderer, 15 00:00:58,477 --> 00:01:00,479 or a dominatrix for that matter. 16 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:03,141 - I was there, so I know what happened. 17 00:01:04,858 --> 00:01:07,270 My clients knew me as Mistress Dominique. 18 00:01:08,549 --> 00:01:10,456 This is my story. 19 00:01:10,456 --> 00:01:13,324 (dramatic music) 20 00:01:16,254 --> 00:01:19,382 (suspenseful music) 21 00:01:32,386 --> 00:01:35,389 - Well, not only was it a, you know, sensational, 22 00:01:35,389 --> 00:01:39,695 jolly trial, it had so much media interest because of that. 23 00:01:39,695 --> 00:01:43,115 - It was just absolutely full on with pictures. 24 00:01:43,115 --> 00:01:45,086 Good story, got everything. 25 00:01:45,086 --> 00:01:46,931 - [Anna] It was a media scrap all right. 26 00:01:46,931 --> 00:01:47,800 - Get out. 27 00:01:48,777 --> 00:01:50,279 - [Reporter] Details of a conversation 28 00:01:50,279 --> 00:01:53,219 were given to the court by secret witness A, 29 00:01:53,219 --> 00:01:55,252 but all personal details of the witness 30 00:01:55,252 --> 00:01:56,941 have been suppressed. 31 00:01:56,941 --> 00:01:59,757 - Neville said that they couldn't let Mr. Plumley-Walker go, 32 00:01:59,757 --> 00:02:01,477 otherwise, he'd go straight to the police 33 00:02:01,477 --> 00:02:03,647 about the hiding he'd just been given. 34 00:02:03,647 --> 00:02:08,300 He said that they had to get rid of him. 35 00:02:10,142 --> 00:02:11,268 - Did she tell you anything 36 00:02:11,268 --> 00:02:13,865 about Mr. Plumley-Walker's condition at that time? 37 00:02:13,865 --> 00:02:17,337 - She said that he walked out to the car 38 00:02:17,337 --> 00:02:20,664 and she showed me how bent over he was, 39 00:02:20,664 --> 00:02:23,550 hands tied in the front, 40 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:25,981 and that when they got to the falls, 41 00:02:25,981 --> 00:02:30,791 they took him out of the car and they weighted him down. 42 00:02:31,664 --> 00:02:33,509 - Did she say anything else 43 00:02:33,509 --> 00:02:36,328 about Mr. Plumley-Walker at that time? 44 00:02:39,922 --> 00:02:42,237 - She said that she knew that he knew 45 00:02:42,237 --> 00:02:44,117 that he was going to die. 46 00:02:46,741 --> 00:02:48,149 - Disbelief. 47 00:02:48,149 --> 00:02:50,933 I knew that it was not true. 48 00:02:50,933 --> 00:02:52,309 I was angry. 49 00:02:52,309 --> 00:02:54,781 I was angry that she was up there lying. 50 00:02:54,781 --> 00:02:57,627 - There was a lot of talk about the secret witnesses 51 00:02:57,627 --> 00:02:59,391 and, you know, who they were, 52 00:02:59,391 --> 00:03:01,694 you know, back in the newsroom, 53 00:03:01,694 --> 00:03:04,947 and, actually, in restaurants and bars, you know, 54 00:03:04,947 --> 00:03:06,011 whenever you went out 55 00:03:06,011 --> 00:03:08,482 there was a lot of speculation about who they were. 56 00:03:08,482 --> 00:03:13,487 And, you know, sometimes you would hear some 57 00:03:13,487 --> 00:03:17,983 quite well-known names in New Zealand circles mentioned. 58 00:03:17,983 --> 00:03:21,151 - [Narrator] Neville Walker had allegedly given details 59 00:03:21,151 --> 00:03:23,121 about Peter Plumley-Walker's death 60 00:03:23,121 --> 00:03:24,654 to a man in the holding cells 61 00:03:24,654 --> 00:03:26,687 at the Auckland District Court. 62 00:03:26,687 --> 00:03:28,536 The man was a police informer. 63 00:03:29,471 --> 00:03:32,506 - He told me Ms. Chignell had been beating Plumley-Walker 64 00:03:32,506 --> 00:03:34,383 and just generally abusing him, 65 00:03:34,383 --> 00:03:37,135 and that he'd actually beaten him himself as well. 66 00:03:37,135 --> 00:03:38,456 And then Plumley-Walker cried out, 67 00:03:38,456 --> 00:03:40,135 "I'm fucked, I've had enough." 68 00:03:41,077 --> 00:03:43,830 - I'm fucked, I've had enough. 69 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:45,832 - Yeah, then Walker said him and Ms. Chignell 70 00:03:45,832 --> 00:03:48,053 went and had a coffee and something to eat, 71 00:03:48,053 --> 00:03:50,868 but when they came back, they found him all slumped over, 72 00:03:50,868 --> 00:03:52,776 looking a lot worse for wear. 73 00:03:52,776 --> 00:03:56,467 So they unchained him and Walker tried to find a pulse, 74 00:03:56,467 --> 00:03:59,376 but he couldn't, so he gave him cardiac massage. 75 00:03:59,376 --> 00:04:02,595 - What else did the defendant, Walker, tell you? 76 00:04:02,595 --> 00:04:06,258 - Well, they decided to take the body to Huka Falls. 77 00:04:06,258 --> 00:04:08,823 And when they got to the falls, they dumped him over. 78 00:04:08,823 --> 00:04:10,075 - Did he tell you anything about 79 00:04:10,075 --> 00:04:12,733 Mr. Plumley-Walker's condition at that time? 80 00:04:12,733 --> 00:04:14,819 - He said his arms were still twitching. 81 00:04:18,927 --> 00:04:24,141 - If Renee and her accomplice had known that he was alive, 82 00:04:24,745 --> 00:04:27,808 then plainly murder at Taupo was, 83 00:04:27,808 --> 00:04:33,021 not to put too fine a point on it, a slam dunk. (chuckles) 84 00:04:37,665 --> 00:04:40,896 - It was always going to be a case 85 00:04:40,896 --> 00:04:45,454 where any lawyer involved was gonna make his mark. 86 00:04:45,454 --> 00:04:47,018 Either way, good or bad, 87 00:04:47,018 --> 00:04:50,302 they were gonna be in the media every single day. 88 00:04:50,302 --> 00:04:54,056 - Well, we had our moments. 89 00:04:54,056 --> 00:04:57,716 - Christopher Harder was just extraordinary. 90 00:04:57,716 --> 00:04:59,906 - I had a lot of admiration for Chris. 91 00:04:59,906 --> 00:05:04,754 He was a superb, determined, perhaps obsessively so, 92 00:05:04,754 --> 00:05:07,069 private investigator. 93 00:05:07,069 --> 00:05:10,197 He was also, though, a renegade. 94 00:05:10,197 --> 00:05:12,012 - Just as the bite. 95 00:05:12,012 --> 00:05:14,921 - [Carroll] At one stage he got a scorpion and produced it, 96 00:05:14,921 --> 00:05:18,581 and said, "What's going on at the moment in this trial 97 00:05:18,581 --> 00:05:22,613 is as bad as a scorpion as the fatal killer of my client." 98 00:05:23,805 --> 00:05:28,591 - He did things that were likely to annoy the judiciary, 99 00:05:28,591 --> 00:05:29,998 and the risk was 100 00:05:29,998 --> 00:05:34,412 we just had no way of knowing how he would impress a jury. 101 00:05:35,379 --> 00:05:38,006 - On the 1st of May, you were in court 102 00:05:38,006 --> 00:05:40,744 and you spoke to Neville Walker, is that right? 103 00:05:40,744 --> 00:05:42,569 - [Secret Witness B] Yes. 104 00:05:42,569 --> 00:05:44,101 - [Chris] And you were bailed at 105 00:05:44,101 --> 00:05:46,390 about 10 past two in the afternoon, weren't you? 106 00:05:46,390 --> 00:05:47,359 - Early afternoon. 107 00:05:47,359 --> 00:05:52,052 - Did you then contact Constable Ruth requesting a meeting? 108 00:05:52,052 --> 00:05:55,551 - Yeah, to give him a book on a car and I said 109 00:05:55,551 --> 00:05:57,682 I had something else I wanted to talk to him about. 110 00:05:57,682 --> 00:05:59,309 - Well, I put it to you that at this meeting 111 00:05:59,309 --> 00:06:01,530 you received money from Constable Ruth 112 00:06:01,530 --> 00:06:03,944 for previous information given to him. 113 00:06:03,944 --> 00:06:05,753 - That probably happened at the same time. 114 00:06:05,753 --> 00:06:07,723 That's not why I called him. 115 00:06:07,723 --> 00:06:09,162 I mentioned to him about the book 116 00:06:09,162 --> 00:06:10,226 that I promised to give him, 117 00:06:10,226 --> 00:06:11,540 and then I said I had something else 118 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:13,448 that I wanted to tell him. 119 00:06:13,448 --> 00:06:15,857 By that I was referring to what had been said to me 120 00:06:15,857 --> 00:06:16,826 by Neville Walker. 121 00:06:16,826 --> 00:06:18,203 - How much money did you receive? 122 00:06:18,203 --> 00:06:19,454 - Well, I'm not sure. 123 00:06:19,454 --> 00:06:20,323 - Take your time, think about it. 124 00:06:20,323 --> 00:06:22,728 Was it a hundred, 200, 500? 125 00:06:22,728 --> 00:06:23,865 - It wasn't that much. 126 00:06:23,865 --> 00:06:24,733 - Well, how much? 127 00:06:24,733 --> 00:06:26,373 Was it in the hundreds or the tens? 128 00:06:26,373 --> 00:06:28,247 - It was 300, sorry. 129 00:06:31,247 --> 00:06:33,186 - [Chris] You have a number of previous convictions, 130 00:06:33,186 --> 00:06:34,579 is that right? 131 00:06:34,579 --> 00:06:36,252 - Yes. 132 00:06:36,252 --> 00:06:41,466 - Do you accept that you have about 36 burglary convictions, 133 00:06:42,195 --> 00:06:47,326 29 for theft, 46 for false pretenses, 134 00:06:47,326 --> 00:06:50,172 nine for altering a document? 135 00:06:50,172 --> 00:06:52,643 - Yeah, I got quite a long past record, 136 00:06:52,643 --> 00:06:55,354 but over the last year that has changed, thankfully. 137 00:06:56,460 --> 00:06:58,305 - Cellmate confessions, 138 00:06:58,305 --> 00:07:00,964 one simply cannot say they never happen 139 00:07:00,964 --> 00:07:02,810 and that they're never genuine, 140 00:07:02,810 --> 00:07:06,438 but reliability is a major issue 141 00:07:06,438 --> 00:07:09,410 because prisoners have too much to gain 142 00:07:09,410 --> 00:07:12,416 by cooperating with authorities. 143 00:07:14,165 --> 00:07:15,604 Almost invariably, 144 00:07:15,604 --> 00:07:18,513 the toughest witness of the police officers, 145 00:07:18,513 --> 00:07:21,954 all those professional witnesses called for the Crown 146 00:07:21,954 --> 00:07:24,738 know that they're not there to help the defense. 147 00:07:24,738 --> 00:07:26,114 - [Stuart] You were present when Mr. Dewar 148 00:07:26,114 --> 00:07:28,742 first came into the interview room to speak to Ms. Chignell, 149 00:07:28,742 --> 00:07:29,611 weren't you? 150 00:07:29,611 --> 00:07:30,479 - Yes, I was. 151 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:32,652 - And you didn't take any notes of this conversation, 152 00:07:32,652 --> 00:07:33,747 did you? 153 00:07:33,747 --> 00:07:35,311 - No, it was his interview. 154 00:07:35,311 --> 00:07:37,657 I took down her written statement at the end. 155 00:07:37,657 --> 00:07:39,253 - And what did you do with it? 156 00:07:39,253 --> 00:07:41,317 - Gave it to DSS Dewar. 157 00:07:41,317 --> 00:07:42,537 He made the comment that it differed 158 00:07:42,537 --> 00:07:44,195 from what she'd said in the interview room. 159 00:07:44,195 --> 00:07:45,759 - [Stuart] Did you agree with that? 160 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:48,887 - Yes, as I was taking the statement from her, 161 00:07:48,887 --> 00:07:49,888 I mentioned that it differed 162 00:07:49,888 --> 00:07:51,960 from what she'd earlier said to Dewar, 163 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,018 but she insisted that what she put down in the statement 164 00:07:55,018 --> 00:07:57,469 was, in fact, what she now was saying happened. 165 00:07:58,741 --> 00:08:00,649 I was only there to record her statement. 166 00:08:00,649 --> 00:08:02,932 - Did Mr. Dewar show you his job sheet notes? 167 00:08:02,932 --> 00:08:04,340 - Yes, he asked me to read them 168 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:06,717 and make sure they were correct as I record them. 169 00:08:06,717 --> 00:08:08,970 I was convinced it was a true and correct record 170 00:08:08,970 --> 00:08:11,754 of the interview, and I certified it as such. 171 00:08:11,754 --> 00:08:15,163 - And did you then show Ms. Chignell the job sheet notes 172 00:08:15,163 --> 00:08:17,433 that you had just certified as correct 173 00:08:17,433 --> 00:08:19,887 so that she could see the differences? 174 00:08:19,887 --> 00:08:21,388 - No, that was done later 175 00:08:21,388 --> 00:08:23,547 by Detective Senior Sergeant Dewar. 176 00:08:23,547 --> 00:08:25,549 - Well, it might've been fairer to show her right then 177 00:08:25,549 --> 00:08:28,238 exactly what you and Mr. Dewar had maintained 178 00:08:28,238 --> 00:08:30,574 that she had said. 179 00:08:30,574 --> 00:08:32,681 - I could've done that, 180 00:08:32,681 --> 00:08:35,027 but I knew Ms. Chignell was an achieved liar. 181 00:08:36,184 --> 00:08:38,624 I wasn't gonna push her or lose her confidence 182 00:08:38,624 --> 00:08:41,189 when we'd at least got her talking. 183 00:08:41,189 --> 00:08:44,349 - She had been encouraged to talk. 184 00:08:44,349 --> 00:08:46,445 Payn took the statement, 185 00:08:46,445 --> 00:08:49,510 which didn't have the oral material 186 00:08:49,510 --> 00:08:52,200 that Dewar later recorded. 187 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,640 - Even Detective Payn was quite shocked 188 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,206 when he came back in with a statement 189 00:08:58,206 --> 00:09:01,041 and banged it on the desk. 190 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,961 You know, Renee, you're to sign this now. 191 00:09:02,961 --> 00:09:03,868 And I was shocked. 192 00:09:03,868 --> 00:09:07,779 I was absolutely shocked and just angry as well, 193 00:09:07,779 --> 00:09:11,364 that, you know, he's a detective 194 00:09:11,364 --> 00:09:16,578 and he's wanting me to sign something I have not said. 195 00:09:16,756 --> 00:09:20,041 - He had alleged a number of admissions 196 00:09:20,041 --> 00:09:22,762 that weren't recorded on a job sheet. 197 00:09:22,762 --> 00:09:24,545 - And he was a bully. 198 00:09:24,545 --> 00:09:28,330 - Our in was to try and drive a wedge 199 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:32,400 between the testimony of the two police officers. 200 00:09:33,617 --> 00:09:35,212 - Were you critical of Mr. Payn 201 00:09:35,212 --> 00:09:37,558 after reading the statement he took from Ms. Chignell 202 00:09:37,558 --> 00:09:38,653 after your interview? 203 00:09:39,623 --> 00:09:42,063 - I was obviously disappointed. 204 00:09:42,063 --> 00:09:44,503 It was missing one important point. 205 00:09:44,503 --> 00:09:46,161 - What important point? 206 00:09:46,161 --> 00:09:47,850 - Well, admission 207 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:52,198 with regards to the murder of Mr. Plumley-Walker. 208 00:09:52,198 --> 00:09:55,251 - You said that she told you three times, 209 00:09:55,251 --> 00:09:58,110 I knew what was happening to him. 210 00:09:58,110 --> 00:09:59,518 - A number of times, yes. 211 00:09:59,518 --> 00:10:00,386 - She said something like, 212 00:10:00,386 --> 00:10:02,427 I taught you bloody bastard. 213 00:10:02,427 --> 00:10:04,085 I decided to leave the bastard hanging there. 214 00:10:04,085 --> 00:10:05,023 Is that what you're saying? 215 00:10:05,023 --> 00:10:06,650 - No, that's what she told me. 216 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:09,559 - Well, I suggest to you that she said none of these things 217 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:10,967 and that they're total fabrication. 218 00:10:10,967 --> 00:10:11,936 What do you say to that? 219 00:10:11,936 --> 00:10:13,876 - Well, if your defense is attacking the police, 220 00:10:13,876 --> 00:10:15,847 I think that's pretty pathetic. 221 00:10:15,847 --> 00:10:17,703 See, I don't work on commission. 222 00:10:17,703 --> 00:10:21,258 I don't rely for the future of my success 223 00:10:21,258 --> 00:10:23,792 on convictions and acquittals, 224 00:10:23,792 --> 00:10:25,575 and I don't have to tell lies, 225 00:10:25,575 --> 00:10:27,577 and I don't run that risk of perjuring myself. 226 00:10:27,577 --> 00:10:30,705 Now, your client clearly told me her involvement 227 00:10:30,705 --> 00:10:33,427 in the presence of Payn, and he substantiates that. 228 00:10:33,427 --> 00:10:35,679 - And yet when she sees your record for the first time 229 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,118 and she comes to the place where you say 230 00:10:37,118 --> 00:10:40,159 that she said it was murder, she immediately says to you, 231 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:41,685 "No, I didn't say that." 232 00:10:41,685 --> 00:10:43,155 - Yes, that's right. 233 00:10:43,155 --> 00:10:45,658 - I suggest to you that in the midst of all the activity, 234 00:10:45,658 --> 00:10:46,846 you simply got it wrong, 235 00:10:46,846 --> 00:10:49,161 and you misunderstood what she was trying to say to you. 236 00:10:49,161 --> 00:10:50,030 - No. 237 00:10:51,194 --> 00:10:54,604 There is absolutely no doubt in my mind 238 00:10:54,604 --> 00:10:57,548 that your client said it was murder then. 239 00:10:59,234 --> 00:11:01,893 Now it really was a bombshell. 240 00:11:01,893 --> 00:11:04,645 And I knew by her demeanor, which had changed at that point, 241 00:11:04,645 --> 00:11:07,867 that she'd had a moment of weakness that had dropped 242 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:10,026 and that remark just came out. 243 00:11:10,026 --> 00:11:13,720 Now, I am absolutely certain that is what she said. 244 00:11:19,338 --> 00:11:22,351 - What was surprising was that Renee actually never spoke. 245 00:11:22,351 --> 00:11:24,071 She never gave any, you know, 246 00:11:24,071 --> 00:11:25,635 she didn't take the stand at all. 247 00:11:25,635 --> 00:11:28,106 And I think a lot of us were quite surprised by that. 248 00:11:28,106 --> 00:11:33,320 - I don't mean to demean her her intelligence or anything, 249 00:11:33,737 --> 00:11:36,865 but she was confused as a young woman, 250 00:11:36,865 --> 00:11:38,995 confused by the process. 251 00:11:41,776 --> 00:11:44,904 She would've been a lamb to the slaughter 252 00:11:44,904 --> 00:11:47,907 of cross-examination had we ever called her, 253 00:11:47,907 --> 00:11:50,817 and so she was never going to be called. 254 00:11:50,817 --> 00:11:52,725 - [Reporter] When 19-year-old Renee Chignell 255 00:11:52,725 --> 00:11:55,571 arrived for the final day of her High Court trial, 256 00:11:55,571 --> 00:11:58,796 she followed her lawyer's instructions and said nothing. 257 00:11:59,904 --> 00:12:01,953 - [Reporter] Are you feeling confident? 258 00:12:01,953 --> 00:12:06,833 - When the jury came back in it was absolute silence. 259 00:12:06,833 --> 00:12:10,274 I remember looking at this one particular older woman, 260 00:12:10,274 --> 00:12:12,588 and she didn't look at me, you know. 261 00:12:12,588 --> 00:12:17,096 We'd had days and days of looking at each other and smiling, 262 00:12:19,467 --> 00:12:22,455 and she didn't look at me. 263 00:12:23,506 --> 00:12:25,482 - All rise. 264 00:12:25,482 --> 00:12:28,611 (suspenseful music) 265 00:12:30,419 --> 00:12:34,676 In relation to the accused, Neville George Walker, 266 00:12:35,736 --> 00:12:40,432 how do you find him guilty, or not guilty? 267 00:12:41,836 --> 00:12:42,723 - [Juror] Guilty. 268 00:12:43,833 --> 00:12:45,585 (gasping) 269 00:12:45,585 --> 00:12:46,453 - [Public Gallery Member] Bullshit. 270 00:12:46,453 --> 00:12:51,287 - And in relation to the accused, Renee Melanie Chignell, 271 00:12:51,287 --> 00:12:54,443 guilty or not guilty? 272 00:12:54,443 --> 00:12:55,311 - Guilty. 273 00:12:58,941 --> 00:13:03,848 - [Ngaire] She didn't do it. 274 00:13:03,848 --> 00:13:07,694 - She didn't kind of react the way I thought she would. 275 00:13:07,694 --> 00:13:11,428 And later she told me that she just didn't believe it. 276 00:13:11,428 --> 00:13:14,994 She thought it just couldn't be true. 277 00:13:14,994 --> 00:13:17,810 - I can hear my mother calling out to me, 278 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:22,881 telling me that she loves me and other people talking to me. 279 00:13:25,484 --> 00:13:30,552 That was a really, really painful memory 280 00:13:32,533 --> 00:13:37,673 just to feel just the hurt from, 281 00:13:37,673 --> 00:13:41,274 you know, friends and family, yeah. 282 00:13:43,586 --> 00:13:45,653 It will stay with me for a long time. 283 00:13:47,558 --> 00:13:49,873 - When the first verdict and the first trial came out 284 00:13:49,873 --> 00:13:51,739 that they were guilty, 285 00:13:51,739 --> 00:13:54,722 everyone was absolutely astonished. 286 00:13:54,722 --> 00:13:57,005 You know, they just couldn't believe 287 00:13:57,005 --> 00:14:00,071 that it was a guilty verdict. 288 00:14:00,071 --> 00:14:01,447 - I was very sorry, really. 289 00:14:01,447 --> 00:14:02,448 I thought it was wrong. 290 00:14:02,448 --> 00:14:05,545 I thought manslaughter at most, 291 00:14:05,545 --> 00:14:10,175 but murder seemed way off the mark. 292 00:14:10,175 --> 00:14:14,335 - Whatever went down I don't think personally, 293 00:14:14,335 --> 00:14:16,869 and I think a lot of people agreed with me at the time, 294 00:14:16,869 --> 00:14:19,590 there was the intent there to kill him. 295 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:20,998 - [Reporter] There were gasps of surprise 296 00:14:20,998 --> 00:14:23,000 as the two were given the mandatory sentence, 297 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,283 life imprisonment. 298 00:14:24,283 --> 00:14:26,407 - No comment to make at all. 299 00:14:26,407 --> 00:14:28,318 - [Reporter] The two convicted murderers 300 00:14:28,318 --> 00:14:32,728 were rushed away under tight security to Mount Eden Prison. 301 00:14:32,728 --> 00:14:35,085 - And we got taken away so quickly 302 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:41,755 back down to the holding cells and I just lost it. 303 00:14:53,345 --> 00:14:54,751 (chains rattling) 304 00:14:54,751 --> 00:14:57,628 I put a dog collar around his neck 305 00:14:57,628 --> 00:14:59,946 and clipped it to a chain from the ceiling. 306 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:04,299 I asked him if it was tight enough and he said, 307 00:15:04,299 --> 00:15:07,197 "No, Mistress, I want tight bondage." 308 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,893 So I put everything up a couple of notches 309 00:15:11,893 --> 00:15:15,180 and the collar slipped up his neck. 310 00:15:17,142 --> 00:15:18,305 He didn't have anything in his mouth, 311 00:15:18,305 --> 00:15:20,140 so he was able to talk. 312 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:21,781 He wasn't blindfolded. 313 00:15:23,310 --> 00:15:25,437 He was absolutely fine. 314 00:15:25,437 --> 00:15:28,096 He was on his tiptoes by this point. 315 00:15:28,096 --> 00:15:29,540 If he stood flat-footed, 316 00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:32,510 the chain around his neck would've tightened. 317 00:15:33,977 --> 00:15:36,355 I asked him if he was okay and he said. 318 00:15:36,355 --> 00:15:37,418 - Yes, Mistress. 319 00:15:37,418 --> 00:15:40,265 - He was getting right into it, enjoying it. 320 00:15:40,265 --> 00:15:42,708 He was all for tight bondage. 321 00:15:44,988 --> 00:15:46,083 - What happened then? 322 00:15:47,147 --> 00:15:48,930 - I left the room. 323 00:15:48,930 --> 00:15:52,496 I would say, slave, I'm going out of the room. 324 00:15:52,496 --> 00:15:56,281 You are to behave, you know, I will be back soon. 325 00:15:56,281 --> 00:15:59,972 And I would sometimes go out, sometimes not. 326 00:15:59,972 --> 00:16:02,756 I would open the door, shut the door, still be there, 327 00:16:02,756 --> 00:16:04,727 and then come up and give him a smack. 328 00:16:04,727 --> 00:16:09,356 And it's just that heightened sense of arousal 329 00:16:09,356 --> 00:16:10,764 that they're going through. 330 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:17,229 I was quite taken back by what Peter had told me. 331 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:21,493 I had a coffee and a cigarette 332 00:16:21,493 --> 00:16:23,652 and told Neville all about it, 333 00:16:23,652 --> 00:16:25,529 that Peter was a sick-minded person. 334 00:16:26,656 --> 00:16:28,593 Neville agreed. 335 00:16:28,593 --> 00:16:31,721 (suspenseful music) 336 00:16:44,843 --> 00:16:47,898 I was gone about 20 minutes, I suppose, longer than usual. 337 00:16:52,994 --> 00:16:56,435 I would've thought that if he was having any problems 338 00:16:56,435 --> 00:17:00,032 he would've yelled out, or made some noise. 339 00:17:00,032 --> 00:17:03,004 I would've heard the chains shaking 340 00:17:03,004 --> 00:17:07,696 because they were down and would've made a noise 341 00:17:07,696 --> 00:17:10,921 if he was trying to get my attention. 342 00:17:15,454 --> 00:17:17,959 I came back in, it was absolutely, 343 00:17:19,677 --> 00:17:23,778 I can't even put words into how I felt when I saw him. 344 00:17:24,976 --> 00:17:26,468 Neville! 345 00:17:26,468 --> 00:17:30,481 I remember screaming out to Neville to come in. 346 00:17:30,481 --> 00:17:33,783 I was getting him down onto the floor. 347 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:37,644 (loud thump and Renee crying) 348 00:17:37,644 --> 00:17:39,737 - [Neville] What the fuck is going on? 349 00:17:39,737 --> 00:17:41,614 Fuckin' help him, mate. 350 00:17:41,614 --> 00:17:44,308 (Renee crying) 351 00:18:01,531 --> 00:18:03,627 - [Reporter] Dominatrix Renee Chignell and her lover, 352 00:18:03,627 --> 00:18:05,691 Neville Walker, are still behind bars 353 00:18:05,691 --> 00:18:08,069 for the murder of Peter Plumley-Walker. 354 00:18:08,069 --> 00:18:10,853 Elsewhere today, lawyers were filing a formal appeal 355 00:18:10,853 --> 00:18:12,073 against the verdict. 356 00:18:12,073 --> 00:18:14,951 Questions were being raised about lawyers' conduct 357 00:18:14,951 --> 00:18:18,360 and controversy was raging over the use of police informers 358 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,580 in the trial. 359 00:18:19,580 --> 00:18:21,614 - Well, the submission to the Court of Appeal 360 00:18:21,614 --> 00:18:26,681 was that the trial judge, the summing up was erroneous. 361 00:18:26,681 --> 00:18:29,496 You could not tell from the verdict 362 00:18:29,496 --> 00:18:31,123 whether there were some jurors 363 00:18:31,123 --> 00:18:34,345 who were satisfied beyond reasonable doubt 364 00:18:34,345 --> 00:18:36,097 of murder at Auckland, 365 00:18:36,097 --> 00:18:38,443 or whether they were satisfied beyond reasonable doubt 366 00:18:38,443 --> 00:18:40,007 of murder at Taupo. 367 00:18:40,007 --> 00:18:44,699 And the law required that they had to be sure. 368 00:18:44,699 --> 00:18:46,388 - [Reporter] The appeal judge is saying the jury 369 00:18:46,388 --> 00:18:49,454 wasn't clearly told their decision on where he died 370 00:18:49,454 --> 00:18:53,395 must be unanimous before they could return a guilty verdict. 371 00:18:53,395 --> 00:18:55,554 They also declared Walker's conviction 372 00:18:55,554 --> 00:18:57,493 a miscarriage of justice 373 00:18:57,493 --> 00:19:00,840 because the police didn't disclose damaging information 374 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,030 on a controversial crown witness, 375 00:19:03,030 --> 00:19:04,813 secret witness B. 376 00:19:04,813 --> 00:19:07,190 He referred the Court of Appeal to an affidavit 377 00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:09,724 from an old friend of secret witness B's, 378 00:19:09,724 --> 00:19:11,976 who said, "B told him that he lied 379 00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,135 about the twitching at the falls. 380 00:19:14,135 --> 00:19:18,264 He lied about the beating, and that he'd done it for greed." 381 00:19:18,264 --> 00:19:20,203 - That's what caused the Court of Appeal 382 00:19:20,203 --> 00:19:22,424 to order a new trial. 383 00:19:22,424 --> 00:19:24,051 - The Plumley-Walker murder trial 384 00:19:24,051 --> 00:19:26,178 begins all over again tomorrow. 385 00:19:26,178 --> 00:19:27,492 It'll be the second trial 386 00:19:27,492 --> 00:19:29,744 for Renee Chignell and Neville Walker. 387 00:19:29,744 --> 00:19:31,277 - [Reporter] On the eve of this new trial, 388 00:19:31,277 --> 00:19:35,250 Neville Walker is a free man after his successful appeal, 389 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:37,443 but Renee Chignell is still in prison. 390 00:19:42,007 --> 00:19:45,204 - The superintendent of the jail said to me, 391 00:19:45,204 --> 00:19:47,512 "Renee, you have a visitor here." 392 00:19:47,512 --> 00:19:49,983 I thought, well, great, I've got a visitor. 393 00:19:49,983 --> 00:19:51,172 She said, "Well, the visitor 394 00:19:51,172 --> 00:19:55,520 is actually in one of the other wings." 395 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,117 And for the life of me, I couldn't think who on earth 396 00:19:59,117 --> 00:20:02,869 she was talking about, you know, friend or who? 397 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:05,961 Mom, oh, my God, oh, my God. 398 00:20:05,961 --> 00:20:07,688 I can't believe they let you in here. 399 00:20:07,688 --> 00:20:09,221 They never do that. 400 00:20:09,221 --> 00:20:11,317 - [Ngaire] I'm not a visitor, sweetie. 401 00:20:11,317 --> 00:20:12,506 - What? 402 00:20:12,506 --> 00:20:15,037 - Parking tickets finally caught up with me. 403 00:20:15,037 --> 00:20:17,573 They slapped me with a ridiculous finding cost, 404 00:20:17,573 --> 00:20:19,607 10,000 bucks. 405 00:20:19,607 --> 00:20:21,577 - Can you have got the money? 406 00:20:21,577 --> 00:20:22,860 You should have asked. 407 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:23,861 - I could've got it, 408 00:20:23,861 --> 00:20:27,239 but my other choice was a few weeks in here with you. 409 00:20:27,239 --> 00:20:28,108 - Oh, mom. 410 00:20:29,836 --> 00:20:32,685 - So tell me what's going on. 411 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:36,812 I heard Neville's out on bail. 412 00:20:36,812 --> 00:20:38,532 - Have to wait for the second trial. 413 00:20:38,532 --> 00:20:41,034 - [Ngaire] So why are you still in here? 414 00:20:41,034 --> 00:20:42,755 - 'Cause I didn't apply. 415 00:20:42,755 --> 00:20:44,068 I don't want bail. 416 00:20:44,068 --> 00:20:45,806 - Oh, baby, why not? 417 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:48,148 - Before he got out, 418 00:20:48,148 --> 00:20:51,232 he used to smuggle notes to move from the men's prison. 419 00:20:51,232 --> 00:20:52,139 He worked in the kitchens. 420 00:20:52,139 --> 00:20:54,235 It's where they make our food. 421 00:20:54,235 --> 00:20:56,268 - [Ngaire] What did he say to you? 422 00:20:56,268 --> 00:20:58,990 - He wants me to take all the blame. 423 00:20:58,990 --> 00:21:01,649 He reckons the courts will go easy on me. 424 00:21:01,649 --> 00:21:02,900 Give me a shorter sentence 425 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:05,249 'cause I'm a young white girl with no record. 426 00:21:06,497 --> 00:21:09,969 Says he loves me and he'll come and see me in prison. 427 00:21:09,969 --> 00:21:11,064 - No, he's just using you. 428 00:21:11,064 --> 00:21:12,694 You can't listen to that. 429 00:21:13,692 --> 00:21:16,820 - If I'm out on bail, he can try and get to me, 430 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:18,947 control me even more. 431 00:21:18,947 --> 00:21:21,074 - Not if you came home with me. 432 00:21:21,074 --> 00:21:24,202 - The news and TV reporters, they'd never leave us alone. 433 00:21:24,202 --> 00:21:25,488 - [Ngaire] I don't care. 434 00:21:27,456 --> 00:21:28,863 - I'll just get used to it. 435 00:21:29,989 --> 00:21:34,338 Being out, what if I was found guilty again? 436 00:21:34,338 --> 00:21:35,999 They'd just lock me back up. 437 00:21:37,747 --> 00:21:38,738 It's too hard, mom. 438 00:21:40,344 --> 00:21:41,285 I can't face it. 439 00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:47,163 I didn't want to put any more stress on my family 440 00:21:47,163 --> 00:21:49,415 and friends, you know. 441 00:21:49,415 --> 00:21:51,542 I explained to everyone that I'm fine. 442 00:21:51,542 --> 00:21:52,856 I'm safe here. 443 00:21:52,856 --> 00:21:54,955 No one's going to pester them. 444 00:21:56,817 --> 00:21:58,487 - Dramatic new developments 445 00:21:58,487 --> 00:22:00,551 in the Plumley-Walker murder trial. 446 00:22:00,551 --> 00:22:01,990 There's no verdict. 447 00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:05,275 After 15 hours, the jury couldn't reach a conclusion 448 00:22:05,275 --> 00:22:08,997 and so the judge dismissed the 12 men and women. 449 00:22:08,997 --> 00:22:11,093 - [Reporter] Defense lawyers were warned by the judge 450 00:22:11,093 --> 00:22:13,189 not to discuss the case with the media 451 00:22:13,189 --> 00:22:15,566 because there could be a new trial. 452 00:22:15,566 --> 00:22:17,349 - I've got no comment to make. 453 00:22:17,349 --> 00:22:19,445 And then we had, of course, the third trial 454 00:22:19,445 --> 00:22:22,861 in front of Justice Noel Anderson. 455 00:22:22,861 --> 00:22:25,989 (suspenseful music) 456 00:22:30,738 --> 00:22:33,709 The question was, particularly the third trial, 457 00:22:33,709 --> 00:22:38,561 how did we convey these evidential issues to the jury? 458 00:22:39,872 --> 00:22:44,627 The defense contention was death at Auckland 459 00:22:44,627 --> 00:22:48,161 and at worst manslaughter. 460 00:22:48,161 --> 00:22:50,664 And the prosecution contention was 461 00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:53,479 death by drowning at Taupo. 462 00:22:53,479 --> 00:22:56,626 And so there laid the seeds of a real battle 463 00:22:56,626 --> 00:23:00,424 in terms of the forensic pathology. 464 00:23:00,424 --> 00:23:03,020 - [Reporter] A postmortem on Peter Plumley-Walker was done 465 00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:06,774 soon after his body was pulled from the Waikato River. 466 00:23:06,774 --> 00:23:07,900 That medical evidence 467 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:10,183 was called as part of the Crown's case, 468 00:23:10,183 --> 00:23:12,967 which hinges on proving Plumley-Walker was alive 469 00:23:12,967 --> 00:23:15,223 when he was thrown over the Huka Falls. 470 00:23:16,189 --> 00:23:20,913 - Dr. Taylor, did you examine the deceased's heart? 471 00:23:20,913 --> 00:23:22,205 - [Dr. Taylor] Yes. 472 00:23:22,205 --> 00:23:23,073 - What did you see? 473 00:23:23,073 --> 00:23:24,385 - I saw the small atheroma bump 474 00:23:24,385 --> 00:23:27,701 in an otherwise normal artery for the age of the patient. 475 00:23:27,701 --> 00:23:30,767 - Did you reveal that detail in your pathology report? 476 00:23:30,767 --> 00:23:33,613 - Yes, I said I considered the atheroma to be normal. 477 00:23:33,613 --> 00:23:36,898 - But now you're saying normal for age? 478 00:23:36,898 --> 00:23:37,766 - Yes. 479 00:23:38,681 --> 00:23:40,279 - How closed was the artery? 480 00:23:41,449 --> 00:23:44,095 - To a moderate degree. 481 00:23:45,093 --> 00:23:48,034 - You're aware the heart slide has been examined 482 00:23:48,034 --> 00:23:50,411 by Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes. 483 00:23:50,411 --> 00:23:51,280 - Yes. 484 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,696 - And that he will give evidence for the defense to say 485 00:23:53,696 --> 00:23:55,823 that it was the main heart artery 486 00:23:55,823 --> 00:23:57,887 and that it was 50% closed. 487 00:23:57,887 --> 00:23:58,756 What do you say to that? 488 00:23:58,756 --> 00:24:00,890 - In my view, the deceased had no disease of the heart 489 00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:03,205 that could have contributed to his death. 490 00:24:03,205 --> 00:24:06,009 - You're not disagreeing with Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes, 491 00:24:06,009 --> 00:24:07,244 are you? 492 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:11,161 - I'm telling you my opinion. 493 00:24:12,558 --> 00:24:15,374 No doubt he would tell the court his opinion. 494 00:24:15,374 --> 00:24:18,502 - When you start getting professional people in, 495 00:24:18,502 --> 00:24:20,691 like Sir Barratt-Boyes, 496 00:24:20,691 --> 00:24:24,883 you know, it makes a huge difference. 497 00:24:24,883 --> 00:24:29,419 - Question then was, well, what was the mechanism 498 00:24:29,419 --> 00:24:33,423 by which Plumley-Walker had, in fact, died? 499 00:24:33,423 --> 00:24:35,675 And was it strangulation, 500 00:24:35,675 --> 00:24:40,889 or was it pressure on the vagus nerve 501 00:24:41,462 --> 00:24:45,122 caused by the ligature when he was strung up? 502 00:24:45,122 --> 00:24:48,688 - Dr. Taylor, if a person were to die by hanging 503 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:50,940 in unusual circumstances, 504 00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:54,037 what evidence would you require as a pathologist? 505 00:24:54,037 --> 00:24:55,601 - A rope. 506 00:24:55,601 --> 00:24:56,897 - Did the police tell you 507 00:24:56,897 --> 00:25:00,294 that the deceased was more upset on the day he died 508 00:25:00,294 --> 00:25:01,983 than he'd ever been before? 509 00:25:01,983 --> 00:25:02,851 - No. 510 00:25:02,851 --> 00:25:03,720 - [Chris] Did the police tell you 511 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,081 that he had been rejected by his wife 512 00:25:06,081 --> 00:25:07,864 after the divorce that morning? 513 00:25:07,864 --> 00:25:08,732 - No. 514 00:25:08,732 --> 00:25:09,601 - [Chris] Did the police tell you 515 00:25:09,601 --> 00:25:12,180 that he had a nine year matrimonial separation? 516 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:13,049 - No. 517 00:25:13,049 --> 00:25:13,918 - Did the police tell you 518 00:25:13,918 --> 00:25:16,059 that he did not want to be divorced on that day? 519 00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:17,625 - [Dr. Taylor] No. 520 00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:21,909 - Can you describe to us how the police first suggested 521 00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:23,942 he may have died? 522 00:25:23,942 --> 00:25:24,811 - In bondage. 523 00:25:24,811 --> 00:25:26,820 He was tied with his feet and arms stretched out 524 00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:27,759 and a noose around the neck. 525 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,260 He was suspended from the ceiling. 526 00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:32,127 - Did they tell you how they suspected he was standing? 527 00:25:33,108 --> 00:25:34,359 - Possibly on tiptoe. 528 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,079 - [Chris] Balls of his feet? 529 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:37,080 - Yes. 530 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,770 - Ever tried to stand on the balls of your feet 531 00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:40,302 for 20 minutes? 532 00:25:40,302 --> 00:25:41,171 - No. 533 00:25:44,338 --> 00:25:46,058 - If a person became tired, 534 00:25:46,058 --> 00:25:50,062 or lost concentration for a moment in a situation like that, 535 00:25:50,062 --> 00:25:52,658 could the bonds on the neck have caused vasovagal, 536 00:25:52,658 --> 00:25:57,132 or compression of the neck causing acute heart failure? 537 00:25:57,132 --> 00:25:59,105 - Mr. Harder. 538 00:26:01,355 --> 00:26:02,223 - Yes. 539 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,486 (thump) 540 00:26:07,796 --> 00:26:13,010 (door opens) (somber music) 541 00:26:15,295 --> 00:26:19,591 - I insisted to Neville that we phone the ambulance. 542 00:26:19,591 --> 00:26:24,804 This man needed help, you know, he definitely needed help. 543 00:26:24,972 --> 00:26:30,186 Neville was also trying to help with the chest compressions. 544 00:26:31,385 --> 00:26:32,323 To this day, 545 00:26:32,323 --> 00:26:36,893 I don't know what stopped making that phone call. 546 00:26:38,204 --> 00:26:40,738 If I could turn everything back, 547 00:26:40,738 --> 00:26:43,866 by God, we would've been on the phone straight away, 548 00:26:43,866 --> 00:26:44,734 you know. 549 00:26:46,462 --> 00:26:50,873 I don't understand why I listened, you know, 550 00:26:50,873 --> 00:26:54,877 and it's my fault as well for just not doing 551 00:26:54,877 --> 00:26:56,941 what I knew was the right thing to do. 552 00:26:56,941 --> 00:26:59,392 Picking up the phone and ringing the ambulance. 553 00:27:03,511 --> 00:27:05,294 We were in shock. 554 00:27:05,294 --> 00:27:07,236 We didn't know what to do. 555 00:27:08,781 --> 00:27:11,206 (phone ringing) 556 00:27:11,206 --> 00:27:13,302 And then the phone rang and it was mom 557 00:27:13,302 --> 00:27:16,868 saying she was bringing around fish and chips for tea. 558 00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:17,754 I sort of agreed. 559 00:27:19,115 --> 00:27:24,328 (phone ringing) (somber music) 560 00:27:35,417 --> 00:27:36,286 Mom was late. 561 00:27:36,286 --> 00:27:38,559 I kept going back into the room 562 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,454 seeing if Peter was coming around, 563 00:27:40,454 --> 00:27:42,143 but there was no sign of it. 564 00:27:43,457 --> 00:27:46,960 She finally turned up about nine o'clock. 565 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,524 - [Ngaire] Is everything okay? 566 00:27:49,528 --> 00:27:51,010 - Yes, mom. 567 00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:54,138 (suspenseful music) 568 00:27:58,779 --> 00:28:01,733 - [Neville] It's getting late, eh? 569 00:28:08,464 --> 00:28:09,333 - According to witness A, 570 00:28:09,333 --> 00:28:11,798 Plumley-Walker was alive and well 571 00:28:11,798 --> 00:28:14,550 after the incident in Auckland. 572 00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:17,772 So our strategy was to demonstrate to the jury 573 00:28:17,772 --> 00:28:20,184 at trial number three 574 00:28:20,184 --> 00:28:24,341 that she had received a huge benefit 575 00:28:24,341 --> 00:28:27,782 for cooperating with the police, 576 00:28:27,782 --> 00:28:30,601 that she had made this up all along. 577 00:28:31,661 --> 00:28:33,538 - You say that the accused, Chignell, 578 00:28:33,538 --> 00:28:37,201 told you that Plumley-Walker walked naked to the car? 579 00:28:37,201 --> 00:28:39,200 - No, no, I never said naked. 580 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,078 I said he walked to the car. 581 00:28:42,078 --> 00:28:45,581 - The jury has been told that the deceased was bound up, 582 00:28:45,581 --> 00:28:47,489 wrapped in a blanket and placed in the car. 583 00:28:47,489 --> 00:28:49,210 Do you understand that? 584 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:51,994 - Yes, but I distinctly remember Renee showing me 585 00:28:51,994 --> 00:28:54,593 how he walked, bent over. 586 00:28:56,123 --> 00:28:59,140 - This was all in mid-February 1989 587 00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:02,442 when you were under some stress in prison, 588 00:29:02,442 --> 00:29:05,466 given your situation, weren't you? 589 00:29:05,466 --> 00:29:06,818 - Yes. 590 00:29:06,818 --> 00:29:10,450 - [Stuart] You desperately wanted to get out, didn't you? 591 00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:13,203 - Not desperately, no, I wasn't desperate. 592 00:29:13,203 --> 00:29:14,767 - You knew that your boyfriend was facing 593 00:29:14,767 --> 00:29:17,394 a very long term of imprisonment? 594 00:29:17,394 --> 00:29:19,021 - Yes. 595 00:29:19,021 --> 00:29:19,959 - So I suggest to you 596 00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:21,742 that the state of mind that you were in, 597 00:29:21,742 --> 00:29:23,619 you simply got it wrong from the outset, 598 00:29:23,619 --> 00:29:26,403 and once you'd given your information to the police, 599 00:29:26,403 --> 00:29:28,343 you quickly realized there was some advantage 600 00:29:28,343 --> 00:29:29,938 in you maintaining your story. 601 00:29:29,938 --> 00:29:31,440 What do you say to that? 602 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,601 - No, I never received any advantage. 603 00:29:37,227 --> 00:29:39,917 - Am I right that you gave evidence 604 00:29:39,917 --> 00:29:43,514 at Ms. Chignell's depositions in June 1989? 605 00:29:43,514 --> 00:29:44,734 - Yes. 606 00:29:44,734 --> 00:29:47,104 - The following day you were released on bail? 607 00:29:48,144 --> 00:29:49,012 - Yes. 608 00:29:51,428 --> 00:29:54,452 - You had twice before been refused bail, is that correct? 609 00:29:57,122 --> 00:29:58,404 - Yes. 610 00:29:58,404 --> 00:30:00,628 - Did you know that when you gave your evidence 611 00:30:00,628 --> 00:30:04,097 that the police would not oppose your application this time? 612 00:30:04,097 --> 00:30:05,005 - No. 613 00:30:05,005 --> 00:30:06,819 - So you're saying your release 614 00:30:06,819 --> 00:30:08,477 the day after you gave evidence 615 00:30:08,477 --> 00:30:11,011 came as a complete surprise to you? 616 00:30:11,011 --> 00:30:11,879 - Yes. 617 00:30:14,577 --> 00:30:17,799 - Your boyfriend was sentenced to 13 years imprisonment 618 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,617 for conspiring to import in the importation of heroin. 619 00:30:22,178 --> 00:30:25,153 You were convicted and sentenced on the same charges. 620 00:30:28,028 --> 00:30:28,914 What did you get? 621 00:30:30,342 --> 00:30:33,536 - Three years on both counts. 622 00:30:41,979 --> 00:30:43,734 - It was about 11:30 by then. 623 00:30:45,295 --> 00:30:49,521 Neville and I sat down and talked about what we would do. 624 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,886 We thought we had to get rid of the body 625 00:30:53,991 --> 00:30:55,402 as far away as possible. 626 00:30:56,881 --> 00:31:00,010 (suspenseful music) 627 00:31:07,831 --> 00:31:08,699 I guess the next thing I knew 628 00:31:08,699 --> 00:31:11,665 that we were in the car driving down. 629 00:31:11,665 --> 00:31:12,979 I remember a lot of crying, 630 00:31:12,979 --> 00:31:18,192 a lot of just being so overwhelmed with the whole situation, 631 00:31:19,235 --> 00:31:22,454 just being so surreal that this was, 632 00:31:22,454 --> 00:31:27,472 was just far too much going on to really take on board 633 00:31:28,901 --> 00:31:33,096 the enormity of the situation. 634 00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,910 - After you told Ms. Chignell there were differences 635 00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:41,104 between her statement and Mr. Dewar's job sheet, 636 00:31:42,571 --> 00:31:45,292 did she make any amendments to her statement? 637 00:31:45,292 --> 00:31:46,578 - She added one thing. 638 00:31:47,482 --> 00:31:52,268 She said, "I tell all my customers when they arrive 639 00:31:52,268 --> 00:31:54,583 that if I tie the knots too tight or hit too hard, 640 00:31:54,583 --> 00:31:58,399 all they have to do is say, "Mercy, Mistress, mercy." 641 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,747 - So you're saying that she told the deceased 642 00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:04,319 that if things were too tight, all he had to say was 643 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,127 "Mercy, Mistress, mercy," 644 00:32:07,127 --> 00:32:08,910 and something would be done about it? 645 00:32:08,910 --> 00:32:11,464 - That's what she said, so I feel he recorded it. 646 00:32:17,356 --> 00:32:20,953 - In your evidence you suggested that Plumley-Walker 647 00:32:20,953 --> 00:32:26,167 was happy and out celebrating his divorce. 648 00:32:26,521 --> 00:32:27,390 - That's correct. 649 00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:29,086 - [Chris] Did you put that up as a red herring? 650 00:32:29,086 --> 00:32:29,955 - No. 651 00:32:29,955 --> 00:32:32,777 - Where did you get the information he was out celebrating? 652 00:32:32,777 --> 00:32:36,312 - At a briefing when I first joined the inquiry. 653 00:32:36,312 --> 00:32:38,255 - Who gave you that information? 654 00:32:39,378 --> 00:32:41,150 - Detective Senior Sergeant Dewar. 655 00:32:43,194 --> 00:32:46,260 - Have you ever suggested to Inspector Cooper, 656 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:48,480 the officer in charge of the case 657 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,171 that other information you had obtained 658 00:32:51,171 --> 00:32:56,207 might be used as a red herring to suggest drowning at Taupo? 659 00:32:56,207 --> 00:32:57,615 - Definitely not. 660 00:32:57,615 --> 00:32:59,401 - May I approach the witness, Sir? 661 00:33:00,586 --> 00:33:03,280 This is a letter to Inspector Cooper. 662 00:33:04,528 --> 00:33:06,144 Do you recognize the signature? 663 00:33:10,221 --> 00:33:11,222 - It's my signature. 664 00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:14,103 - Do you see the line with red herring in it? 665 00:33:15,132 --> 00:33:16,001 - I do. 666 00:33:17,854 --> 00:33:18,722 - [Chris] Read it. 667 00:33:18,722 --> 00:33:19,824 - Objection, Your Honor. 668 00:33:19,824 --> 00:33:21,451 The question is not fair to the witness. 669 00:33:21,451 --> 00:33:23,988 The whole document should be read. 670 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,852 - Yes, agreed, the whole document. 671 00:33:29,052 --> 00:33:30,304 - Read the whole letter. 672 00:33:33,557 --> 00:33:36,497 - Ron, I enclose a statement I took off a woman 673 00:33:36,497 --> 00:33:38,315 in relation to the above homicide. 674 00:33:39,907 --> 00:33:41,221 In view of recent publicity, 675 00:33:41,221 --> 00:33:42,535 she has decided to come forward 676 00:33:42,535 --> 00:33:44,067 with this gem of information. 677 00:33:44,067 --> 00:33:46,604 Does not sound as though it has any relevance. 678 00:33:48,509 --> 00:33:50,230 At brightest, we may be able to use it 679 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:53,765 as a red herring at any subsequent retrial as a possibility 680 00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:56,142 it may have been Plumley-Walker screaming for help 681 00:33:56,142 --> 00:34:00,052 from the river, some eight hours after he was tossed over. 682 00:34:00,052 --> 00:34:01,025 Regards, Les. 683 00:34:02,023 --> 00:34:05,370 - My understanding of a red herring, detective, 684 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:10,031 is that perhaps you'd like to indicate if it's yours also, 685 00:34:10,031 --> 00:34:13,534 something lays a false trail and misleads. 686 00:34:13,534 --> 00:34:16,196 - I would call it more of a diversion, Sir, yes. 687 00:34:17,351 --> 00:34:18,320 - I'm just trying to understand 688 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,724 why you would want to suggest 689 00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:22,794 that a court should be diverted or misled in a retrial 690 00:34:22,794 --> 00:34:24,455 by a red herring? 691 00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:27,145 Can you assist us with this? 692 00:34:31,234 --> 00:34:32,804 - It was a bit of a snide comment. 693 00:34:32,804 --> 00:34:35,028 One I obviously regret now. 694 00:34:35,028 --> 00:34:36,905 - Now, facetious aside. 695 00:34:38,528 --> 00:34:39,727 - Most definitely, Sir. 696 00:34:45,910 --> 00:34:48,978 - You know, police were pillars of society, you know. 697 00:34:48,978 --> 00:34:50,540 What they said went. 698 00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:53,480 No one ever questioned what the police did 699 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,952 because, you know, their word was law. 700 00:34:55,952 --> 00:34:58,897 You never questioned their behavior or their morals. 701 00:34:58,897 --> 00:35:00,722 And that was a mistake 702 00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:03,303 as we have discovered over the years, 703 00:35:03,303 --> 00:35:04,366 and you only need to ask 704 00:35:04,366 --> 00:35:07,154 Louise Nicholas about that really to, you know. 705 00:35:08,527 --> 00:35:10,404 - After Ms. Chignell's comment, 706 00:35:10,404 --> 00:35:11,843 well, in that case, it's murder. 707 00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:13,633 I continued to question her and she said, 708 00:35:13,633 --> 00:35:15,127 "She lifted the deceased up 709 00:35:15,127 --> 00:35:17,647 until his feet were almost hanging off the ground." 710 00:35:18,537 --> 00:35:21,915 She said that she knew what was happening, 711 00:35:21,915 --> 00:35:26,044 and she left the bloody bastard hanging there. 712 00:35:26,044 --> 00:35:28,672 Now at this point, I cautioned her 713 00:35:28,672 --> 00:35:31,831 and then I asked her to continue if she wished. 714 00:35:31,831 --> 00:35:34,303 - Did she tell you anything else? 715 00:35:34,303 --> 00:35:36,492 - She said she went and had a cup of coffee 716 00:35:36,492 --> 00:35:37,775 in another part of the house. 717 00:35:37,775 --> 00:35:40,684 And when she came back into the B&D room, 718 00:35:40,684 --> 00:35:42,217 Plumley-Walker had turned blue. 719 00:35:42,217 --> 00:35:44,754 And she thought, you stupid bastard. 720 00:35:46,064 --> 00:35:49,693 She thought he looked funny hanging there, 721 00:35:49,693 --> 00:35:53,415 and Neville wanted to go and get a camera and photograph. 722 00:35:53,415 --> 00:35:57,701 - Well, we had to try and show that he was a liar 723 00:35:57,701 --> 00:36:01,739 and to use the old vernacular that he had verbaled her. 724 00:36:02,987 --> 00:36:05,334 When I'm approaching a cross-examination, 725 00:36:05,334 --> 00:36:07,836 I go through in my mind a process 726 00:36:07,836 --> 00:36:10,780 which I call closing the gates. 727 00:36:11,746 --> 00:36:13,686 It's not an original phrase. 728 00:36:13,686 --> 00:36:18,409 So you anticipate what the witness is going to say 729 00:36:18,409 --> 00:36:22,069 and ask all the questions that might enable 730 00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:25,228 a particular witness to avoid a direct answer. 731 00:36:25,228 --> 00:36:29,764 And you do that without giving away 732 00:36:29,764 --> 00:36:31,923 what the crucial question is. 733 00:36:31,923 --> 00:36:34,331 And once you've decided to close the gates, 734 00:36:34,331 --> 00:36:37,212 you then ask the crucial question. 735 00:36:43,278 --> 00:36:45,655 - When Ms. Chignell saw your job sheet notes 736 00:36:45,655 --> 00:36:49,537 for the first time, she took issue with it, didn't she? 737 00:36:50,441 --> 00:36:54,383 - Yes, she refused to sign in that case, its murder remark. 738 00:36:54,383 --> 00:36:56,979 - And was Mr. Payn present when she made these remarks? 739 00:36:56,979 --> 00:36:57,848 - Yes. 740 00:36:57,848 --> 00:36:59,826 - So what prevented him from writing it in his book 741 00:36:59,826 --> 00:37:00,694 at the time? 742 00:37:00,694 --> 00:37:02,391 - Well, I didn't ask him to, 743 00:37:02,391 --> 00:37:03,861 and I didn't personally take notes. 744 00:37:03,861 --> 00:37:06,676 See, I find that that impedes free discussion. 745 00:37:06,676 --> 00:37:07,834 - You have said that Ms. Chignell 746 00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,555 was apparently cooperative and willing to talk to you. 747 00:37:10,555 --> 00:37:11,424 - Yes. 748 00:37:11,424 --> 00:37:14,403 - And Mr. Payn had made jottings of less important matters 749 00:37:14,403 --> 00:37:16,436 with previous discussions with her. 750 00:37:16,436 --> 00:37:17,687 You were aware of that? 751 00:37:17,687 --> 00:37:18,719 - Yes. 752 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,535 - So I suggest to you there was no reason that Mr. Payn 753 00:37:21,535 --> 00:37:24,819 could not have taken note of such an important statement. 754 00:37:24,819 --> 00:37:25,688 - No. 755 00:37:25,688 --> 00:37:27,040 - I further put to you 756 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,449 that for you to create your job sheet accurately 757 00:37:29,449 --> 00:37:32,733 without notes an hour after the interview concluded 758 00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:34,172 is a remarkable feat in memory. 759 00:37:34,172 --> 00:37:35,205 What do you say to that? 760 00:37:35,205 --> 00:37:36,675 - Yes. 761 00:37:36,675 --> 00:37:39,177 - So do you accept there are certain parts of your memory 762 00:37:39,177 --> 00:37:41,305 that might be in error? 763 00:37:41,305 --> 00:37:45,434 - There'd be parts, yes, but it's only minor parts. 764 00:37:45,434 --> 00:37:49,062 - The adrenaline runs when you're cross-examining, 765 00:37:49,062 --> 00:37:53,288 and, yes, it is an enjoyable process. 766 00:37:54,724 --> 00:37:56,320 - Detective Senior Sergeant Dewar, 767 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,947 you were determined to win this trial from the start, 768 00:37:58,947 --> 00:37:59,816 weren't you? 769 00:37:59,816 --> 00:38:00,779 - No, no. 770 00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:03,483 We're talking about a homicide investigation, 771 00:38:03,483 --> 00:38:05,172 not someone taking the milk money. 772 00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:06,736 - Come hell or high water. 773 00:38:06,736 --> 00:38:08,113 - Yeah, man, that's absurd. 774 00:38:08,113 --> 00:38:11,838 You get paid for results, Mr. Harder, I don't. 775 00:38:13,055 --> 00:38:15,213 Your future and reputation probably suggests that you should 776 00:38:15,213 --> 00:38:16,809 when, see, it makes no difference to me. 777 00:38:16,809 --> 00:38:20,218 - Counsel is suggesting that you or the police 778 00:38:20,218 --> 00:38:22,784 have become emotionally committed 779 00:38:22,784 --> 00:38:26,224 to securing a conviction in this trial, 780 00:38:26,224 --> 00:38:31,261 which has led to over-zealousness, misrepresentation, 781 00:38:31,261 --> 00:38:32,640 and wishful thinking. 782 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,455 - I had no interest in the outcome of this trial personally. 783 00:38:38,455 --> 00:38:40,864 - How many homicide cases have you overseen 784 00:38:40,864 --> 00:38:42,494 in the past two years? 785 00:38:44,837 --> 00:38:45,705 - Four. 786 00:38:47,527 --> 00:38:49,126 - And what were the verdicts? 787 00:38:51,687 --> 00:38:56,445 - On the murder counts of all four it was not guilty. 788 00:38:59,789 --> 00:39:00,988 - Thank you, Mr. Dewar. 789 00:39:03,825 --> 00:39:06,765 - It was like all the baggage had gone. 790 00:39:06,765 --> 00:39:11,979 All the planted evidence had been disposed of, had gone. 791 00:39:13,428 --> 00:39:16,306 - The former wife of cricket umpire, Peter Plumley-Walker, 792 00:39:16,306 --> 00:39:20,341 has revealed her husband's long history of sexual deviance. 793 00:39:20,341 --> 00:39:21,874 - [Reporter] The witness didn't come forward 794 00:39:21,874 --> 00:39:23,063 at the first trial, 795 00:39:23,063 --> 00:39:25,826 but decided she had something to offer this time. 796 00:39:25,826 --> 00:39:28,954 (suspenseful music) 797 00:39:34,793 --> 00:39:38,359 - You were previously married to Peter Plumley-Walker. 798 00:39:38,359 --> 00:39:40,205 - Yes, in 1958. 799 00:39:40,205 --> 00:39:42,613 We separated in 1980. 800 00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:45,432 - What was his reaction to the separation? 801 00:39:47,712 --> 00:39:48,904 - He was very upset. 802 00:39:50,746 --> 00:39:52,748 For the next nine years, 803 00:39:52,748 --> 00:39:55,723 he tried everything to keep us together as a family. 804 00:39:57,347 --> 00:39:58,723 His mail kept coming to our home 805 00:39:58,723 --> 00:40:00,287 right up 'til the day he died. 806 00:40:02,884 --> 00:40:05,730 - The last time you saw Peter alive was when? 807 00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:07,297 - Straight after our divorce. 808 00:40:08,671 --> 00:40:10,443 We came out of the court together. 809 00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:13,801 He asked me if I wanted to go for a coffee, 810 00:40:13,801 --> 00:40:15,897 but I'd said I couldn't. 811 00:40:15,897 --> 00:40:18,399 I had a friend waiting for me. 812 00:40:18,399 --> 00:40:20,714 - [Chris] What was Peter's reaction to this 813 00:40:20,714 --> 00:40:22,031 from your observations? 814 00:40:25,218 --> 00:40:26,692 - He was very distressed. 815 00:40:29,348 --> 00:40:31,694 The most upset I've ever seen him in my life. 816 00:40:33,883 --> 00:40:35,072 He had tears in his eyes, 817 00:40:35,072 --> 00:40:37,421 and was holding himself very tightly. 818 00:40:39,045 --> 00:40:41,203 - [Chris] Did you have concerns about how Peter 819 00:40:41,203 --> 00:40:45,051 might react to the divorce when it finally happened? 820 00:40:45,051 --> 00:40:48,398 - Yes, I was very concerned. 821 00:40:48,398 --> 00:40:51,557 - Were you told at some stage by the police 822 00:40:51,557 --> 00:40:54,720 that they thought Peter might have died in bondage? 823 00:40:57,707 --> 00:40:58,576 - Yes. 824 00:41:00,785 --> 00:41:02,467 - [Chris] What was your reaction? 825 00:41:06,322 --> 00:41:09,794 - I felt awful because of the divorce 826 00:41:09,794 --> 00:41:12,641 and because he was just so upset. 827 00:41:12,641 --> 00:41:17,854 I feel that's what I thought that he might have just 828 00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:19,627 given in in bondage. 829 00:41:21,426 --> 00:41:22,555 I don't know. 830 00:41:25,492 --> 00:41:26,535 - Thank you. 831 00:41:28,543 --> 00:41:31,237 (somber music) 832 00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,625 (flames roaring) 833 00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:57,198 - [Neville] Come on. 834 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:05,638 (door closes) 835 00:42:05,638 --> 00:42:07,773 (Renee sobbing) 836 00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:09,598 - [Neville] Fuck off. 837 00:42:16,126 --> 00:42:19,254 (suspenseful music) 838 00:42:24,682 --> 00:42:29,030 - I could read when the jurors came back in, 839 00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:31,939 it was a totally different courtroom. 840 00:42:31,939 --> 00:42:36,698 The environment, it was charged in a different way. 841 00:42:36,698 --> 00:42:39,826 (suspenseful music) 842 00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:48,083 - In relation to the accused, Neville George Walker, 843 00:42:49,144 --> 00:42:53,151 how do you find him, guilty or not guilty? 844 00:42:54,806 --> 00:42:55,904 - [Juror] Not guilty. 845 00:43:05,347 --> 00:43:07,256 - And in relation to the accused, 846 00:43:07,256 --> 00:43:12,469 Renee Melanie Chignell, guilty or not guilty of murder? 847 00:43:15,952 --> 00:43:17,018 - Not guilty. 848 00:43:18,003 --> 00:43:19,860 (indistinct murmuring) 849 00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:22,641 (Renee sobbing) 850 00:43:36,104 --> 00:43:36,973 Oh. 851 00:43:39,913 --> 00:43:45,127 Oh, when they read out the not guilty, 852 00:43:47,952 --> 00:43:51,021 just being so thankful, so thankful. 853 00:43:51,988 --> 00:43:55,371 - You are both free to go. (bangs gavel) 854 00:43:55,371 --> 00:43:58,366 (soft music) 855 00:43:58,366 --> 00:44:01,841 (indistinct chattering) 856 00:44:06,346 --> 00:44:07,444 - It was wonderful. 857 00:44:10,027 --> 00:44:13,134 It was just a great, just being washed over me, 858 00:44:13,134 --> 00:44:18,347 it was just that life could start again, you know. 859 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,415 (melodramatic music) 860 00:44:28,739 --> 00:44:31,693 (music continues) 861 00:44:39,745 --> 00:44:42,699 (music continues) 862 00:44:49,653 --> 00:44:52,607 (music continues) 863 00:44:59,893 --> 00:45:02,847 (music continues) 864 00:45:10,726 --> 00:45:13,680 (music continues) 865 00:45:20,836 --> 00:45:23,790 (music continues) 866 00:45:31,345 --> 00:45:33,952 (music fades) 867 00:45:41,676 --> 00:45:44,369 (bright music) 65844

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