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(gentle music) (fire sizzling)

(car siren)

- At 18, I was charged with murder,

notorious, the teenage dominatrix.

I was accused of killing a respected English cricket umpire

by throwing him bound hand and foot into a raging river.

I was very naive, very young, very stupid.

- It was just an incredibly sad

sad story of a girl who got involved with the wrong people.

- [Renee] I was charged

with my then boyfriend, Neville Walker.

(whip cracking) (victim growls)

The shocking secrets of bondage and discipline were exposed

for the first time in three sensational trials

that crept a whole nation.

- She looked for all the world like a demure debutante.

She did not look like a murderer

or a dominatrix for that matter.

- I was there so I know what happened.

My clients knew me as Mistress Dominique.

This is my story.

(suspenseful music)

(car siren)

(footsteps thunking)

(upbeat music)

- Police have launched a massive murder inquiry

after a man's naked body was discovered

bound hand and foot in the Waikato River.

They're now seeking public help

to identify the victim whose body was spotted in the river,

near the Huka Falls.

- Police began an intensive search of the roadside,

where Peter Walker's driver's license has been found.

Behind the scenes, they were continuing investigations

into a secret side of his personal life,

looking for clues to his murder.

(Police knocks)

(engine revving)

- It's cop.

- Shut up.

Leave. - Hey, it's cool.

They got nothing on us.

- Oh, they must have all they want.

(Police continues knocking the door)

- Just do like I said, get the door.

- I was told not to say that we had seen him,

which was very silly on my behalf not to step out over that

threshold and not have Neville behind the doors saying,

no, he hadn't seen him.

I remember talking to the policeman afterwards.

He more or less said he could read my face.

You know that, I was saying no,

but saying yes at the same time, if that makes sense.

(door bangs)

I think I tried to explain to Neville they will come back.

I don't know if Neville wanted to go

or if he wanted to just try and take off,

but I wasn't going to go anywhere.

- Be, huh?

- Ah, yeah, just okay.

It was a very odd time to be going through.

I didn't know what to do.

- Good afternoon. Sorry to bother you.

I'm Detective Payne. This is Detective Sergeant Mitchell.

We're here in connection with the Plumley-Walker homicide.

- We already told you, we don't know anything,

- [Police] Renee.

- We don't, I've never ever met him.

(Police chuckles)

- The thing is, still a few questions need answering

before we can eliminate you from our inquiries.

- Well, I just hope this will clear them up then.

So you aren't coming back here all the time.

- Whole thing will be a lot easier.

We just go down to the station.

- Sure.

(footsteps thunking)

- I don't wanna sound selfish

because it's such a tragic thing that happened

for Mr. Walker to pass away,

but I also knew that I was going

to be getting away from Neville.

(door bangs)

- So, what's your occupation, Renee?

- I'm a dominatrix.

I run a bondage and discipline service from my home.

- Alright. Who do you used to work in the parlors?

- A while ago now though.

- That where you got started?

- No.

(upbeat music) (engines revving)

- [Dominique] My teenage years,

I worked in a couple of retail shops

and got a good offer of a job working

in a well-known shoe shop in town.

I thoroughly enjoyed working there.

It was a specialty shoe store.

- You should absolutely have those.

Your legs, they look fabulous.

- Hi Christine.

(lips smacking)

I wish.

- Aw, sweetie, can't afford them?

- I'm always broke. I hate it.

- Money is easy enough to make.

Like everything, it's all about choices.

Now, tell me these come in my size

or I swear I will die.

- We have them up to size 14.

- I love Mr. Campbell.

- Expensive, but 195.

- I'm feeling a bit naughty today.

So bring me the boots as well in leather

and in suede, please.

- Okay. Just what did you mean before?

It's all about choices.

- Money- - [Renee] Yeah.

- Depends what you're willing to do for it. That's all.

- Well, what do you do to afford all this?

- Come on. Seriously?

- What's it like? You know?

- Short hours, easy cash.

Best part, I don't even have to take my shoes off

most of the time.

- Really?

I was on a very minimum wage,

but, you know, I liked my job.

I was happy in my job at that time,

and I think she floored me

with just exactly how much she made.

I think my wage of a month was hers in half a day

or something like that.

And we talked

and I found out a little bit more

what was involved with actually working.

(whimsical music)

- Do you remember me at all?

- No.

- Ah, it's just, I've spent a few years

on the Auckland Vice Squad.

I've seen you out.

(upbeat music)

(car siren)

- [Christine] I was lucky enough, again,

the woman who introduced me

to her client to take me step by step

because it had been a very regular client of hers.

- [Client] I might as well learn from the best.

- Went into it, going for an older client

with money, with security.

The money definitely was the lure. You know that.

You can't deny that at all.

(gentle music)

I had been working as a waitress for a Italian restaurant.

My mother always knew my clothes I'd take to work,

you know, it'd be white, top

and black slacks waitressing clothing course.

And she saw me put in there clothing

that was definitely not waitressing clothing.

And my mother was not silly.

She, you know, I was her daughter.

She tuned into me so well.

(engine revving)

(gentle music)

- Hi there.

- You get in this bloody car right now.

You wanna do this on the street instead?

- Okay. Alright.

(engine revving)

- What the hell do you think you are doing?

(door bangs)

- Working.

- Selling yourself on the streets? You are 15.

- So?

- You are ruining your life.

You're gonna live to regret this so much.

Is it the money because you don't need it. I've got money.

- Not like I'm making.

- What the hell is wrong with you?

This isn't normal. You need your head right,

no, you stay where you are young girl

or I swear I will follow you around all night.

(door bangs)

(engine revs)

- I could also understand it from her point of viewing

that this wasn't right.

This wasn't right.

Being where I was being...

- [Reporter] Auckland's Karangahape Road,

New Zealand's sleaziest sex spot.

- There was some pretty bad things going on in Auckland

at that time.

You know, not just with girls who were working,

but there was some people who were spiking drinks

and nightclubs and some bad guys around.

(engine revving)

(footsteps thunking)

- Hi there. You looking for a good time?

- Sure.

- I would always have my friend with me,

if not two friends, a male and a female.

And my friends would follow me down

just to make sure everything was okay.

It didn't seem like there would be any problems

until I did actually have a problem.

(engine revving)

I usually use the hotel room, eh,

or there's a spot down the road.

- I like it here, out of the way.

- Yeah. Sir, show me the money, honey.

- I haven't got any.

(Renee chuckles)

- Funny joke.

- Nice.

(fist thumping)

You are not having a fucking cent, hey.

- I've got all your details to redo everything.

My friend took them down before you lost it.

- Fuck, bitch, you gotta pay for this.

(door creaks)

- And I jumped out of his van, landed on my knees

and ran as fast as I could with high heels on.

But he took off and tried to come around.

I ran up the road after the client had gone.

My friends were so upset that what had happened,

what could have happened.

That was terrifying. That was absolutely terrifying.

Just one night, just putting a guard down was not worth it.

So I stopped working on the streets after that.

That really did try me to the core.

- What parlor were you working?

- Emily's.

- Shirley's place.

- Yeah.

- [Friend] So sweety. Gotta make sure you bring...

- [Renee] I believe with these older clients,

they don't want to go through the scenario of going

through different girls.

They want to find like a mistress, someone that is there

for them exclusively.

How are you being?

- Yeah, so sorry but I think I'll be better soon.

- See what we can do.

And I was happy to do that, you know?

So it wasn't all about the sex.

I could have a client that I would be with for the night

and we would do sometimes nothing.

And they were happy. They were very happy to do that.

- So why'd you leave Emily's?

- I didn't really,

they opened the House of Dominance next door.

There was an Australian mistress there, Mistress Terry.

A couple of us got the chance to learn from her.

(footsteps thunking)

(both laughing)

(suspenseful music)

- Follow me.

(footsteps thunking)

- [Observer] Well, aren't you...

- Oh gosh.

- Anything that the mind can imagine really,

when it came to pain and discipline,

humiliation, slave training, maid training.

We were a bit more prudish in those days.

It was unusual and sex was kept in the bedroom.

I learned that there were two types of clients.

One was the successful businessmen

who dominated people all day and then after all that wanted

to come in and be dominated himself.

And then there was the cd depressed person who wanted more,

wanted the dog on the chain,

variety and the golden shower.

Apparently...

- [Investigator] So you're saying there's no sexual favors

involved at all?

- No.

The service I offer is one of mistress slave,

like in the old days.

I tie them up, humiliate them,

keep them in complete objection.

The only physical thing I let them do is kiss

my leg up to my knee.

(suspenseful music)

- You let Peter Plumley Walker do that.

(footsteps thunking)

- Now, slave.

(footsteps thunking)

(suspenseful music)

- [Renee] I've never seen or met that man.

- The thing is, we know Plumley Walker was in the BnD.

We know he visited just about every B&D parlor in Auckland

and about every massage parlor that does B&D.

Yet you say you've never met him.

- I haven't. Not even at the House of Dominance.

- Hey, he was around the B&D scene so long.

That just amazes me.

- Well, I think I'd remember him.

The mustache is pretty distinctive.

And I was only at the parlor four months.

And like I said, I was just learning. I met Neville by then.

(upbeat music) (engine revving)

A good friend of mine, Amy, was living at this

lovely big old villa.

(door bangs)

- Becky said she met us after work.

- [Renee] And Neville had moved in there.

- Expensive taste, lock it.

- Hey, evening.

- Oh, this is Neville. He needed a place to stay.

So, my friend Renee.

- Hi.

- Hey, I'm second on the right path.

Door's always open for you.

- Cheeky bigger.

- I lock my door when he's in the house.

I mean it though. He's always trying it on.

He doesn't take mine for an answer.

- He can drain.

(footsteps thunking)

(glass creaks)

- I really didn't take much notice of him

when he first, he moved in there

because Amy and I would be doing our own thing, you know,

and the best way I can sort of explain it is that

he just didn't go away.

He would just keep on coming back and coming back.

I found it very hard to just tell him to bugger off.

(engine revving)

Oh God.

- Hey, where do you think you are going?

- I'm sorry, this is doing.

(Neville laughs)

- Yep.

- I don't remember.

- While I do, every move you made.

(lips smacking)

And my girl now darling.

- A lot of my friends didn't like him

when they first met him.

And they warned me.

They all said to me,

we don't like the way he watches you

when we are talking to you.

He was very good at isolating me away from my friends.

I wasn't allowed to talk to my male friends

because he would try

and get it into my head

that I would be wanting to sleep with him.

It was like he was controlling me. You gotta movie.

- Shut up you lying bitch.

- You, I'm not lying.

- I know what you're really doing.

You're going out to give fucking late, aren't you?

- I'm not. - Who is he?

One of your bloody clients?

I know you're having it off with them.

- I'm not like, what, you're hitting me.

(glass crashing)

- Lemme go.

- You know, he apparently,

well, for sure he beat her up

and she was quite scared of him.

She found it hard to push her own barrow

and he leapfrogged onto her

and started turning into a master.

- I knew I should be just telling him to go,

but he wouldn't leave me alone.

- He seemed to be the one,

in my opinion at the time, you know, he called the shots

and she was basically a porn in his game.

- Until you've been in that type of relationship,

it's very hard to understand

and very hard to understand

why a woman just doesn't pack her bags and leave.

Because you're wanting to believe that person so much

because you care for them.

I had to leave the House of Dominance

when one of the other girls started giving blow jobs

and masturbation to the clients for more money.

It's not part of B&D.

And when the owner found out, I got the blame for it.

Wasn't me, but she sacked me anyway.

- What happened then?

- Me and Neville got straight jobs,

stayed outta the scene for a year or so.

- Why'd you go back?

- I needed money and B&D is a lot easier than parlor work.

- So you just went out,

bought the gear, started advertising.

- Basically, we made most of the equipment ourselves.

I only have a couple of canes

and whips, a few genital torture weights,

cock rings, that sort of thing.

Then I put an ad in the Auckland Star as Mistress Dominique.

When we started up the actual B&D establishment

at Rotomahana Terrace,

it was my intention to save up enough money

just to get a plane ticket to go

to Australia one way and not come back.

You know, because I was not staying with this man.

I had had enough.

I had realized that my life was not gonna change with him

no matter what I did.

Unbeknown to me, he had set up a listening device

in the wardrobe, which played

through the stereo in the lounge.

(door bangs)

I don't know whether it was for security

or whether he was actually listening to hear the sessions.

If he did, he would've heard.

They were all above board.

Strip, shower.

But one night Neville misinterpreted

what was going on in the room.

He came around the side of the house,

proceeded to smash the big main window, the glass fell in,

which was absolutely terrifying,

and the poor chap was more concerned

about getting me outta there

for my safety because he could hear Neville saying

what he was going to do to me, that he was going

to kill me and do this.

I've heard this from him before.

Few days later, we had the glaziers come

and replace the windows

and it was like nothing had happened.

You know? And I still don't know.

There was a listening device in the wardrobe.

- Seems strange that Mr. Plumley Walker, who's been

around so long in the Auckland B&D scene,

you open up a new service, which he'd have

to have heard about pretty quickly with his contacts.

You say you've never met him?

Known of them. I've spoken with them.

- No, I haven't.

(upbeat music)

- [Reporter] The last confirmed sighting of Mr. Walker

was at a bank in Ponsonby on Friday, January the 27th,

where he withdrew $200 cash

around two o'clock.

His burnt out car, a bronze Cortina found

on the following Saturday

abandoned in Auckland remains a mystery.

Documents found in Mr. Walker's Herne Bay flat,

including banking records

and some sex literature are continuing to be analyzed

for possible clues.

Police today won't comment

on Mr. Walker's sexual associations,

but it's understood his death may be linked to some form

of sexual activity.

- Some clients, I guess would ask for piercings,

genitalia piercings.

Very heavy whipping

and just things that I'm just not comfortable

and wouldn't be comfortable doing no matter what

the sort of price was being offered.

(telephone rings)

That's why I think I made such a bad mistress

because I was not tough enough.

Hello, this is Mistress Dominique.

- I've been a naughty boy. I need to be punished.

- Punished how?

- Good caning, bare skin.

I know I've been thrashed.

Then bondage, very tight arms, legs, neck...

- Hold on. I'm medium, not hardcore.

Maybe you should try someone else.

- No no. It's all right.

I'd like to meet you. Seeing what you're like.

- You sure?

- Is tomorrow convenient, say 4:30?

- I can fit you in, name?

- Peter.

- Rotomahana Terrace, with you there.

(telephone clunks)

(gentle music)

I remember making a booking, him telling me

that he needed to be disciplined.

That he had been naughty.

(electronic beep)

(gentle music)

I was not to know until later on during the trial

what had happened that day to Mr. Walker.

(paper crackles)

(gentle music continues)

(footsteps thunking)

(keys clinking)

(door bangs)

(engine revving)

- He was a guy who was considered

to be an upstanding citizen of the community.

You know, travel agent with his unmistakable handled

by mustache and he was a cricket umpire

who you never ever expected someone like that to be

doing what he was doing.

You know, and visiting places like this

and people like this.

(footsteps thunking)

(Peter knocks)

- If that's him, he's fucking early. Charge him extra.

(door creaks)

- Peter.

- Yes.

- Come in.

Of course, it was the mustache that was one to remember.

He was very pleasant.

(door bangs)

- Thank you for seeing me.

- Very polite. A gentleman.

You're early.

- Apologies Mistress.

- [Renee] He knew that all the protocols on what to do.

- Yes Mistress.

- Listen, Renee.

Reason I brought you in here

is because everything keeps coming back to you and Neville.

I just wanna run through things again.

- Okay.

- You know, a note was found

beside the victim's phone with your address

and 4:30 written beside it.

- I've seen that note.

It had my address, the number

of the black door, erotic escorts, the geisha bathhouse.

- But beside your address is 4:30,

as if an appointment had been made.

- I've never met him.

- Why?

If Plumley Walker was so into B&D,

and we know he had cause to celebrate,

divorce from his wife came through that day.

- Well, I wouldn't know that. - We know he had money.

Why would he book an appointment and not bother to turn up?

- I can't tell you.

I don't know. - See,

is Cortina station wagon found burnt out

less than a mile from your place?

- We can't help it if it's car.

- There's another thing, Renee.

Got a report here from Wairakei Station in Taupo

that at 2:30 AM 28th of January,

gold Cortina station wagon pulls in for gas.

There's a girl with long honey blonde hair like yours

sitting in the passenger seat,

driver fits the description of Neville.

See that gas station,

it's got security cameras

so we can identify the people in that car.

(gentle music)

- It wasn't us.

- Be careful, Renee.

I told you we've got the film.

- Where is it?

- Taupo. It's being sent up.

(gentle music continues)

(paper crackles)

(camera shutters)

(air whooshing) (fire sizzling)

(bell rings)

(gentle music intensifies)

(Police chuckles)

- I just remember thinking,

after that, why would you want to stop

and get a pie and a drink?

You know, I remember being in the car

and just not wanting, putting my hands over my face,

getting down in the seat and just not wanting to be there,

not wanting to be seen by anyone.

(door hinge creaks)

(indistinct)

- Yep. - Yep.

(door creaks)

- I'm Detective Senior Sergeant Dion.

Do you see this Gant?

- Yes.

- We've just taken it off your clothesline.

Whose is it, Renee?

- Neville's.

- Well, he was wearing that when you drove to Taupo.

It's shown clearly on the video.

You want to tell me what happened to Mr. Plummy Walker?

- How can I, I've never met him in my life.

- We're talking, interviewing without video recording,

without even any recording.

It was purely police officers in the room

and you know, they were experienced policemen.

I suppose looking back at it now,

and probably I've certainly thought about it, then,

you know, there was the good cop, bad cop routine going on.

- [Renee] Will I be able to go home tonight?

- Oh no no no. You burned his car,

the very least, that's criminal damage.

So you'll be charged for that, kept in custody.

I've only been honest with you, Renee.

So you show me the same courtesy.

What happened to Plumley Walker?

- Okay, he came to our place,

but I didn't kill him.

- Just tell us what happened.

- Was a relief to get everything out

and to explain to him as best I could,

what had happened from the start.

(gentle music)

(table planks)

- Peter rang on Thursday night, made an appointment with me

for 4:30, Friday afternoon.

He arrived early.

He stripped, showered, and waited in the B&D room,

on his hands and knees, eyes down.

I came back in with a cane in my hand,

asked him what he'd done to be naughty.

Why do you need to be punished?

He told me he'd worked in Germany at a place

they sent naughty children.

If young girls needed punishing, they were sent to him.

He went into a lot of detail

about how he took their clothes off, what he do to them,

how he enjoyed hurting them.

He wanted the same done to him.

- I would cane them.

(cane thumps)

- First, I caned him on his buttocks with a small cane,

then with a thicker one.

Then I put leather straps on his hands

and chained them high up on the wall.

I chained his feet the same way, so he was spread-eagled.

Even if it's a client that has been

around too many establishments,

I always make them understand that I have a certain word

and that's just a safety word for both of us.

And what's our word?

- Mercy, Mistress Mercy.

- Good.

(gentle music)

(fist thumping) (chain clanking)

I put a dog collar around his neck

and clipped it to a chain from the ceiling.

I asked him if it was tight and after, he said-

- No mistress. I want very tight.

- No mistress. I want tight bondage.

(chains clanking)

Are you okay?

(Walker wheezing)

- Yes, mistress.

(bell rings)

- The main feel I got for Renee came from her dad.

He'd done a lot for his daughter

and he cared for her terribly

and was very upset that she'd ended up doing this,

and with the guy she was with.

- My father liked to do what he liked to do.

You know, he was a very headstrong person.

(footsteps thunking)

My father was a photographer

and he was a great photographer.

- Tell me, which one do you like?

- He became the main photographer

and editor of the Natures Magazine,

which is the magazine for the Sun Club.

My parents sent me to a Catholic school

when I was very young.

I had told our teacher at the time, Sister Olson,

who was a good nun

that had been to the Sun Club, and I had drawn a picture

on the book with what was up on the pool wall,

which said no running

around the pool, no diving,

no peeing in pool and no togs in the pool.

And that, to this day, I believe the sign is still there.

And I remember the sister saying,

what do you mean no togs in the pool, Renee?

So I proceeded to say, you know, it's a Sun Club.

We don't wear clothes up there if you don't want to.

And I got removed from the classroom.

My parents came in

and they were both a bit shocked that I had been honest,

you know, and I couldn't understand

what the big trouble was.

I was very confused as to why it was such a secret,

why it was frowned upon,

because there was nothing bad happening at the club.

(indistinct)

Unfortunately there was violence in my household.

(Parents quarreling)

(suspenseful music)

(Mom crying)

It wasn't a nice home life to see your mother

hurt on a regular basis.

But that really breaks my heart, you know?

And for years I used to say,

my father, I'll never ever be with a man like you, ever.

Unfortunately, when I met Neville,

I went into a absolute mirror image of my father.

(bird chirps)

A lot of regret in that sense, a lot of regret

'cause you don't hurt something you love, you don't.

You don't do that.

He felt guilty about the fact that he and his wife had

separated when Renee was only 13

and quite young and just going into her teens

and it seemed to throw her off.

(engine revving)

(door bangs)

- Renee, I'm going to read you the notes of our conversation

and then I'm go through it paragraph by paragraph

so that you can sign it off, okay?

- Yeah. Okay.

Detective Doin came back

in at a later stage with this statement,

a few paragraphs long which I supposedly had said.

- He alleged a number of admissions, the recording

of which was suspect in which we challenged.

- His statement was full of swearing,

saying that I hated this man, Mr. Walker,

that I wanted to kill him,

that I wanted to hurt him,

all swearing through it, which is not the way that I talk.

And I certainly, I refuse to sign it

because I didn't say those things.

(papers crackle)

No, this isn't right.

I didn't say in that case it's murder.

And I didn't say I left the bastard hanging there.

I said I left him happily hanging.

I told you I lifted him up, but only to his tiptoes,

not until his feet were off the ground.

I never said that.

He knew what to say if things were too tight.

I didn't think you stupid bastard.

No, I never said any of that.

And I didn't put a rope around his neck.

- Well, it's a fact, Renee, he was found

with a rope around his neck.

So what do you say about that?

- I'm not gonna say anything further.

- And why is that?

- I'm just not gonna say anything more

about the whole thing.

(upbeat music)

- Good evening, an 18-year-old woman

and a 34-year-old man have appeared

in court charged in connection

with the bizarre Plumley Walker murder mystery.

- [Reporter] She was Renee Melanie Chignell,

on the charge sheet

described as a self-employed dominatrix,

defined in the dictionary as a dominator mistress or lady,

but commonly known as a person

who assumes the aggressive role and sexual bondage.

Her appearance in court was closely followed

by the man charged with being an accessory after the fact.

After lengthy bail applications,

Chignell and Walker were both remanded in custody.

(door thuds)

- [Renee] I remember vehemently-

- [Guard] Good.

- Having to take off my shoes and shoelaces.

(door bangs)

but just feeling so vulnerable.

Just, was absolutely horrifying.

It was scary. It was dirty.

It was cold. I was terrified.

I was absolutely terrified.

You can't make me out, can you?

- No.

But him he can.

- [Renee] Make me.

- You got a lawyer.

- My dad's lawyer suggested someone really good.

He's coming in soon. But Dad gets here first.

This is all I've got with me.

- I can need you some jeans if you want.

- Would you?

- Yeah. Us girls are gonna look after each other herein.

(footsteps thunking)

- I remember this girl there, this blonde girl,

but there was really nothing there.

So to see her in court on my first trial

was quite a surprise to say the least.

- Renee? - Yes. Hi.

The issue always was cause of death.

- Was it strangulation at Auckland

or was it drowning at the Huka Falls?

And then the second crucial question was their knowledge

of whether he was dead in Auckland or still alive

and taken to the Huka Falls and thrown over alive.

Those were the crucial issues.

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- [Reporter] Auckland's high Court was swamped by reporters.

- Well, not only was it a, you know,

sensational, jolly trial.

I mean it was, had everyone talking around the country,

but it had so much media interest because of that.

And you had TV Three,

which was relatively new on the media landscape.

You had TVNZ you had, you know, radio and newspapers

and every day they would all turn up.

- So it was just absolutely full on.

It was a kind of change in media

and it just put the imagination of the whole lot of them

'cause they're good pictures.

Good story. Got everything.

I'd never seen media like that before.

You know, gathering in a place

and everyone jostling the position.

It was a media scrum, right? - Get it out of us.

- Because it's something I'd never gone through before.

You know, this was a whole different world to me

because you're right there next to the jury.

There'd be a lot of eye contact and smiling

and when certain witnesses were called up

and I had a good rapport between several members

of the first jury.

With witness A, she wasn't someone I really spoke to

or passed the time of day with.

When she first came out, she was perfectly groomed,

not a here outta place.

They made her up to look like a secretary.

She looked like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.

- She was able to recount movements in the prison.

And when Renee had spoken to her

and all that sort of, yes, she did have a detailed story.

- Renee said to me that if she told the police the truth

that they would both be done for murder.

- [Jury] Did she tell you anything else on the matter?

- Yes, she said that she had spoken to Neville

about some of the stories that Mr. Plumley Walker

had been telling her about abusing little girls.

And Neville was quite drunk that night.

So he went into the room

and started beating Mr. Plumley Walker with his fists.

Then he left the room

and came back with an iron bar

that she indicated was about that big.

- [Jury] Two to three feet long.

- Yes, she said that he started beating Mr. Plumley Walker

with the iron bar and she had been so disgusted

that she had to leave the room.

- Everyone was absolutely astonished.

You know, they just couldn't believe.

- I thought of manslaughter at most,

but murder seemed way off the mark.

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