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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,133 --> 00:00:18,333 MUSIC 2 00:00:33,233 --> 00:00:33,733 GUNFIRE 3 00:00:35,833 --> 00:00:38,700 They have taken a central position on the world stage. 4 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:40,533 They call themselves The Islamic State. 5 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,733 They claim religious, political and 6 00:00:47,733 --> 00:00:49,600 military authority over all Muslims. 7 00:00:51,467 --> 00:00:53,900 In reality, they are a tiny 8 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:56,200 minority of the Muslim population. 9 00:00:59,067 --> 00:01:01,600 I have traveled in the Muslim World for over fifty years 10 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:06,200 and have experienced the love and kindness of its people. 11 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:15,233 Now, everyday we read about new atrocities perpetrated by ISIS; 12 00:01:15,233 --> 00:01:19,233 they target innocent people; killing, enslaving 13 00:01:19,233 --> 00:01:20,667 and torturing in the name of religion. 14 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:25,433 The group is a Frankenstein phenomenon, 15 00:01:25,433 --> 00:01:28,733 born of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. 16 00:01:29,867 --> 00:01:31,133 and carry on the work of peace. 17 00:01:32,067 --> 00:01:35,100 We now have more than 1.3 million 18 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:37,433 killed civilians across the Middle East 19 00:01:37,433 --> 00:01:39,267 and more than one hundred thousand 20 00:01:39,267 --> 00:01:41,200 international terrorist, 21 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,900 instead of some hundreds, before 22 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:45,000 the beginning of he war on terror. 23 00:01:46,267 --> 00:01:48,933 Our wars have been a terror breeding program. 24 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:49,467 EXPLOSION 25 00:01:51,233 --> 00:01:55,700 In mid 2014 ISIS cut all communications 26 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:57,533 with foreign journalists, 27 00:01:57,533 --> 00:02:00,067 while I still had an open line to the organization. 28 00:02:01,233 --> 00:02:02,267 RINGING 29 00:02:39,933 --> 00:02:42,533 For several months I spoke at length with Abu Qatada. 30 00:02:43,533 --> 00:02:44,800 His previous name was Christian. 31 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,667 He s German to the core and a leading 32 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:51,200 figure in the IS propaganda machine. 33 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,967 This is a guarantee of safety for ürgen Todenöfer 34 00:03:27,967 --> 00:03:29,767 and his team, 35 00:03:29,767 --> 00:03:32,867 so that he can travel safely in the territories of 36 00:03:32,867 --> 00:03:37,100 the Islamic State with his traveling companions. 37 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:39,133 The soldiers of the Islamic State will 38 00:03:39,133 --> 00:03:41,633 respect this guarantee and allow him 39 00:03:41,633 --> 00:03:44,900 free and safe passage until he has 40 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:48,000 fulfilled his mission and left once again. 41 00:03:53,033 --> 00:03:57,067 My name is ürgen Todenöfer. I was the first Western 42 00:03:57,067 --> 00:03:59,733 reporter to enter ISIS territory and come out alive. 43 00:04:03,267 --> 00:04:04,800 My son Frédéric joined me with a camera. 44 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:12,733 This is the story our journey. 45 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,600 Northern Aleppo, Syria. 46 00:04:27,433 --> 00:04:29,800 We are taken to a registration center for new recruits. 47 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:34,933 This French speaking fighter, who refuses to 48 00:04:34,933 --> 00:04:37,200 be filmed, is responsible for new arrivals. 49 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,200 Between fifty and sixty will turn up 50 00:04:53,267 --> 00:04:54,800 at this particular center today. 51 00:04:56,300 --> 00:05:00,067 After a series interviews, the officer decides 52 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:03,067 how these men will serve in the organization. 53 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,233 We saw people from all over the world. 54 00:05:07,233 --> 00:05:12,133 From Sweden, France, The United States. 55 00:05:12,133 --> 00:05:14,767 There was a guy from the Caribbean. 56 00:05:14,767 --> 00:05:19,467 Very good looking, very charming, stylish, 57 00:05:19,467 --> 00:05:20,000 Ray Ban glasses. 58 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:23,667 And I said what are you doing here? 59 00:05:24,433 --> 00:05:26,433 What have you done before? 60 00:05:26,433 --> 00:05:29,333 He said I was just admitted at 61 00:05:29,333 --> 00:05:32,633 the Court of my country I asked him 62 00:05:32,633 --> 00:05:35,567 Are you going to fight or are you going to 63 00:05:35,567 --> 00:05:38,167 work in the administration as a lawyer? 64 00:05:38,167 --> 00:05:40,333 he said I m going to do what the Calif is asking. 65 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:07,333 First night in Raqqah. 66 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:09,600 Gun and artillery fire breaks out. 67 00:06:10,967 --> 00:06:13,533 IS fighters celebrate the conquest of 68 00:06:13,533 --> 00:06:16,000 an important zone near the airport of Der-E-Zor. 69 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:22,600 When we arrived in Raqqah we found out immediately 70 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,367 that the boss of our IS commando was the driver. 71 00:06:27,367 --> 00:06:31,967 He was always masked. He was a guy from the UK, 72 00:06:31,967 --> 00:06:37,667 probably from London, and he tried to dominate us. 73 00:06:40,967 --> 00:06:42,967 We have strong suspicions that our 74 00:06:42,967 --> 00:06:45,433 masked driver was Mohammad Emwasi, 75 00:06:45,433 --> 00:06:48,400 also known as Jihadi John, 76 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,267 the executioner of reporter James Foley. 77 00:06:51,267 --> 00:06:52,333 There were many indications. 78 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:56,133 His direct contact with foreign hostages, 79 00:06:57,567 --> 00:07:00,900 his insistence to have one of the hostages hand us 80 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:04,633 a letter for Prime Minister David Cameron, on camera, 81 00:07:04,633 --> 00:07:07,667 his peculiar way of speech, his London accent 82 00:07:07,667 --> 00:07:09,400 will result in the bloodshed of your people. 83 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:14,900 Back home our suspicions were strengthened as we got online 84 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:18,000 and heard his real voice, reversed 85 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,467 engineered by the Anonymous Network. 86 00:07:20,733 --> 00:07:23,000 will result in the bloodshed of your people. 87 00:07:24,067 --> 00:07:26,133 It sounded just like our driver. 88 00:07:30,167 --> 00:07:33,600 And we had some requests and he didn t accept the requests. 89 00:07:34,767 --> 00:07:37,633 They took all our electronic devices. 90 00:07:37,633 --> 00:07:41,167 We were even not allowed to go to the balcony. 91 00:07:41,167 --> 00:07:43,567 Of course we went to the balcony and we 92 00:07:43,567 --> 00:07:45,933 saw what was happening in the streets, 93 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,067 but we weren t allowed to go out into Raqqah. 94 00:07:50,467 --> 00:07:54,833 This guy, the driver, had an incredible 95 00:07:54,833 --> 00:07:59,333 tone, a way of speaking I couldn t accept. 96 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:06,333 So it was hard at the beginning but, from Raqqah, our visit 97 00:08:06,333 --> 00:08:08,667 in the so called Islamic State started to be successful. 98 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,867 We cross the former Syria-Iraq border, which 99 00:08:56,867 --> 00:08:58,467 the Islamic State has reduced to rubble. 100 00:09:37,767 --> 00:09:39,667 Our masked English driver is visibly angry. 101 00:09:41,433 --> 00:09:44,333 For the entire six hour journey, he refuses to speak to us. 102 00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:51,667 Tell him he's not being filmed. He's masked 103 00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:54,600 anyway. And he's a fighter who isn't scared. 104 00:09:56,667 --> 00:09:57,800 MUSIC 105 00:10:23,767 --> 00:10:26,600 On first glance, life in Mosul seems completely normal, 106 00:10:28,233 --> 00:10:30,867 if you forget that, behind us, 107 00:10:30,867 --> 00:10:33,733 there are armed IS fighters at all times. 108 00:12:01,733 --> 00:12:04,333 One of the IS guys tells us 109 00:12:04,333 --> 00:12:05,733 the Shia are gone and the fish is back. 110 00:12:06,867 --> 00:12:09,600 A bad anc cruel joke 111 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,800 When considering how many Shia have been killed in Mosul. 112 00:12:17,833 --> 00:12:20,300 For the mostly Sunni population here in 113 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:22,800 Mosul, life under the Shia government 114 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,567 has been so bad in recent years, that 115 00:12:25,567 --> 00:12:27,733 the IS is viewed as a lesser evil. 116 00:13:30,333 --> 00:13:31,733 CALLING FOR PRAYER 117 00:13:37,067 --> 00:13:38,200 Time for Friday prayers. 118 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:42,600 Shopkeepers shut their blinds and close their stores. 119 00:13:44,167 --> 00:13:45,467 As we walk through the market, 120 00:13:46,667 --> 00:13:49,433 Abu Qatada attributes this devotion 121 00:13:49,433 --> 00:13:51,133 to the ISIS grip on Mosul. 122 00:13:56,433 --> 00:13:59,833 The mosque gets so crowded, that people lay their 123 00:13:59,833 --> 00:14:02,667 coats and scarves so they can pray on the street. 124 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,067 I have to admit however, that we didn t 125 00:14:07,067 --> 00:14:08,667 feel very comfortable during the sermon. 126 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,133 MUSIC 127 00:15:25,467 --> 00:15:29,167 Our next stop is the Central Court of Mosul, where we hope to 128 00:15:29,167 --> 00:15:32,400 find out how the new laws of the IS are being implemented. 129 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:36,733 As a former judge myself, 130 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:39,667 I requested an interview with a judge. 131 00:15:41,333 --> 00:15:44,967 We recorded with him for almost an hour, but our 132 00:15:44,967 --> 00:15:48,267 masked English driver deleted most of our footage. 133 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:56,300 The judge told us all former judges and court workers had 134 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:59,733 been executed, while he studied law at a local mosque. 135 00:16:01,167 --> 00:16:02,133 Do you speak English? 136 00:16:53,867 --> 00:16:57,533 And the end I asked him, would there be any 137 00:16:57,533 --> 00:17:02,133 executions or amputations during the next days. 138 00:17:02,133 --> 00:17:05,067 And I didn t say I d want to see an execution 139 00:17:05,067 --> 00:17:06,867 or an amputation, I only wanted to know. 140 00:17:06,867 --> 00:17:10,400 Abu Qatada said: If you want to see an amputation or 141 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,133 an execution, that s no problem, I can do that for you! 142 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:17,100 Do you want a Shia or do you want a Kurd? 143 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:18,000 I will do it for you . 144 00:17:20,733 --> 00:17:25,367 You know he said this with a smile on his face. 145 00:17:25,367 --> 00:17:28,567 And if a guy from the media department can say 146 00:17:28,567 --> 00:17:31,633 I will make the amputation or the execution for 147 00:17:31,633 --> 00:17:35,833 you , then it mean that there is no justice, that 148 00:17:35,833 --> 00:17:39,400 the laws of this Islamic State are just a joke. 149 00:18:44,767 --> 00:18:49,400 I was not only shocked, it made me extremely sad. 150 00:18:51,733 --> 00:18:56,400 Because I knew so much about this man, about Abu Qatada. 151 00:18:58,333 --> 00:19:00,000 I know how he was when he was young 152 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,000 And he was completely different. 153 00:20:28,933 --> 00:20:31,633 We drive to the mosque where Abu Bakr al Baghdadi 154 00:20:31,633 --> 00:20:34,533 made his first appearance five months earlier. 155 00:20:36,933 --> 00:20:39,267 Its leaning minaret makes the tower 156 00:20:39,267 --> 00:20:40,667 of Pisa look positively vertical. 157 00:20:43,433 --> 00:20:46,133 For the first time in over fifty years 158 00:20:46,133 --> 00:20:47,533 I m prevented from entering a mosque. 159 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:53,267 One of our escorts walks in with Frederic s camera. 160 00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:17,033 The streets are being patrolled by 161 00:21:17,033 --> 00:21:19,333 different kinds of police forces. 162 00:21:19,333 --> 00:21:21,267 Is this ISIS police? Or just police? 163 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,133 Religious law and order seems to be the key concern. 164 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:47,867 It is puzzling to meet a terrorist Chief of Police, 165 00:21:47,867 --> 00:21:52,133 dressed in US army gear, looted from Iraqi soldiers. 166 00:22:20,133 --> 00:22:22,667 If you catch a thief, how long will it take 167 00:22:22,667 --> 00:22:24,600 until his hand is cut off? How many days? 168 00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:51,433 His message is official and opaque, but it becomes clear 169 00:22:51,433 --> 00:22:54,400 just how firm the IS grip is on the local population. 170 00:22:55,567 --> 00:22:57,200 Was he stealing something? Or fighting? 171 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:38,633 The man in the next cell was arrested for 172 00:23:38,633 --> 00:23:42,000 possession of sleeping pills and anti-depressants. 173 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,533 For sleep... 174 00:23:45,433 --> 00:23:48,133 It s not allowed? But if he is sick ? 175 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,733 No, no, no! No sick! 176 00:23:50,867 --> 00:23:51,533 No sick. 177 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,300 It can be hard to understand what constitutes a crime 178 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:05,300 in a puritan and totalitarian regime. Will 179 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:09,833 the people of Mosul accept this situation, if the IS can t 180 00:24:09,833 --> 00:24:12,800 deliver on its promise of security and prosperity? 181 00:24:14,933 --> 00:24:15,667 MUSIC 182 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:33,400 This former Iraqi army base is currently in the hands of ISIS. 183 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,133 The fighter outside the base has an American M16 assault riffle. 184 00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:39,800 Did you participate in a fight? 185 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,600 How old are you? 186 00:24:48,133 --> 00:24:48,800 How old? 187 00:24:50,533 --> 00:24:51,200 And you? 188 00:24:55,267 --> 00:24:57,467 And how much are you paid? Do you 189 00:24:57,467 --> 00:24:58,400 get money when you are fighting? 190 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:03,600 And you are the boss. 191 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,533 Minutes after we enter the army base, we spot an American plane. 192 00:25:28,533 --> 00:25:30,667 The fighters tell us our visit will be cut short. 193 00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:40,933 We are not allowed to film the secret prisons 194 00:25:40,933 --> 00:25:43,933 hidden under the hills of this base. 195 00:25:43,933 --> 00:25:47,467 Instead, we are shown a tank graveyard. 196 00:25:51,267 --> 00:25:55,433 This is what is left of the Iraqi army in Mosul. 197 00:25:55,433 --> 00:25:58,667 What the IS had no use for has been abandoned or destroyed. 198 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:09,733 On our way to the city gates, we suddenly stop at a roundabout. 199 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,333 A Kurdish soldier is being led to us. 200 00:26:16,967 --> 00:26:19,600 Before the interview, the prisoner thanks us for our time. 201 00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:23,533 You are Kurdish. 202 00:28:25,033 --> 00:28:25,667 His voice catches. 203 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,533 I want to stop the interview when a drone is spotted. 204 00:28:30,867 --> 00:28:32,533 I shake his hand long and hard. 205 00:28:34,733 --> 00:28:37,667 They put a bag over his head and drive him to a secret location. 206 00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:40,667 MUSIC 207 00:28:44,633 --> 00:28:47,800 We continue our drive to the outskirts of town, 208 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,733 where we interview a front line ISIS fighter. 209 00:28:57,633 --> 00:28:58,600 He should look at me. 210 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,300 You were one of the first fighters who 211 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:11,267 entered Mosul. Is that correct? In August? 212 00:29:18,167 --> 00:29:20,533 How many people were you? 213 00:29:25,733 --> 00:29:26,333 Only three hundred? 214 00:29:29,733 --> 00:29:32,833 How can you explain that with less than three hundred 215 00:29:32,833 --> 00:29:36,333 people, twenty-four thousand people were running away? 216 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:36,800 How do you explain that? 217 00:29:57,367 --> 00:29:58,133 What is your name? 218 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:03,200 As usual, I wanted to shake hands, but he refused. 219 00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:07,267 He said: You have a guarantee, here in the Islamic State. 220 00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:12,000 So you will survive here. But you will go back to Germany. 221 00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:15,967 And we will come to Germany. 222 00:30:15,967 --> 00:30:18,533 We will search you, we will find you and we will kill you. 223 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,133 I have had enough of the so-called Islamic State. 224 00:30:26,567 --> 00:30:28,000 I am saturated by their rhetoric. 225 00:30:30,067 --> 00:30:32,400 I have heard them speak in the name of all Muslim people. 226 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,500 Still, from my understanding, 227 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,067 they don't represent Islam at all. 228 00:30:45,467 --> 00:30:47,467 It is strange to see people going 229 00:30:47,467 --> 00:30:50,667 through their day in a war zone, 230 00:30:50,667 --> 00:30:54,000 and then watching IS propaganda as their evening entertainment. 231 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,033 With three cars and six armed escorts, 232 00:31:05,033 --> 00:31:06,467 we pay a visit to a hospital. 233 00:31:11,733 --> 00:31:14,633 As we see in the car park, apparently 234 00:31:14,633 --> 00:31:16,667 the Islamic State is even issuing license plates. 235 00:31:19,367 --> 00:31:20,733 The judge told me corruption is over. 236 00:31:22,267 --> 00:31:24,600 The Chief of Police said there is no crime. 237 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400 Perhaps the doctors will tell me they have eradicated disease 238 00:31:35,867 --> 00:31:39,433 We meet a young doctor who doesn t want to be filmed. 239 00:31:39,433 --> 00:31:41,333 He says he s from Europe, but no more. 240 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,667 I press him and he gets ready to talk. 241 00:31:48,433 --> 00:31:52,300 We speak to three wounded men; two IS fighters 242 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:53,000 and one civilian. 243 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,400 What did you do before joining IS? 244 00:32:20,467 --> 00:32:26,000 And why did you join ISIS? What was your motivation? 245 00:32:55,033 --> 00:32:59,267 You were injured last Saturday by a drone attack? 246 00:33:04,533 --> 00:33:06,067 He says it was drones, he doesn t 247 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:06,733 know, but he thinks they were Iraqi. 248 00:33:08,467 --> 00:33:11,767 And there are also twenty citizens, all killed, 249 00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:14,000 just citizens, and also too many injured, he says. 250 00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,267 By the drones. By the drones. 251 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,300 I couldn t assess the accuracy of these 252 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,567 allegations, but independent sources have confirmed 253 00:34:48,567 --> 00:34:52,433 multiple cases where civilians or civil infrastructure 254 00:34:52,433 --> 00:34:54,400 have been targeted by coalition forces. 255 00:34:55,467 --> 00:34:56,200 EXPLOSION 256 00:35:05,567 --> 00:35:11,000 After fourteen year of War on Terror, we have more 257 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,400 than one hundred thousand international terrorists. 258 00:35:14,733 --> 00:35:17,533 Some of them even have their own state. 259 00:35:19,167 --> 00:35:20,667 The Islamic State is as big as UK. 260 00:37:13,067 --> 00:37:14,400 MUSIC 261 00:37:22,467 --> 00:37:23,000 EXPLOSION 262 00:37:30,067 --> 00:37:31,333 EXPLOSION 263 00:37:35,233 --> 00:37:36,533 Abu Qatada was deadly serious. 264 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,533 GUNFIRE 265 00:37:40,533 --> 00:37:43,200 For the so-called Islamic State, one hundred 266 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,533 and thirty human lives are worthless. 267 00:37:46,867 --> 00:37:48,967 The massacre at the Bataclan Music Hall, 268 00:37:48,967 --> 00:37:50,667 brought home their sadism. 269 00:37:51,833 --> 00:37:52,333 Look at this! 270 00:37:54,267 --> 00:37:56,067 He looks very happy about killing somebody. 271 00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,533 I am here to interview Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. 272 00:38:00,533 --> 00:38:03,167 With his help, I want to clarify 273 00:38:03,167 --> 00:38:04,733 things and put them into perspective. 274 00:38:06,633 --> 00:38:08,533 He has studied Islam for over thirty years. 275 00:38:10,167 --> 00:38:14,067 He is of the most widely respected and influential 276 00:38:14,067 --> 00:38:17,467 Muslims scholars in the world. He s also an American. 277 00:38:18,767 --> 00:38:21,833 Did ISIS try to kill you? 278 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:24,133 They issued that there would be a reward for somebody. 279 00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:26,933 So you are a target. 280 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:29,667 I m a target. I gave a khutba, which a Friday sermon. 281 00:38:30,533 --> 00:38:33,433 It s madness. Complete insanity. 282 00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:36,667 And I think it just bothered them. Because my 283 00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:37,733 argument was they had nothing to do with Islam. 284 00:38:39,267 --> 00:38:41,600 These people have nothing to do with this religion! 285 00:38:42,633 --> 00:38:46,000 This is literally a statistically 286 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,700 insignificant number of people, 287 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,333 and yet they are claiming that we represent the true Islam. 288 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,500 They don't represent my Islam. And they don't represent 289 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,467 the vast majority of Muslims around the world s Islam. 290 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:06,867 Making propaganda every day with their 291 00:39:06,867 --> 00:39:10,533 brutality is, I think this is something new. 292 00:39:10,533 --> 00:39:12,667 It creates a gross distortion in the minds of 293 00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:16,167 Western people [when] that is all they see. 294 00:39:16,167 --> 00:39:18,567 And also we re living in an age to use 295 00:39:18,567 --> 00:39:20,833 a French philosopher the age of spectacle. 296 00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:23,800 And so the more dramatic you can do something, 297 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,400 the more media attention it will get. 298 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,667 Some young people are attracted by the ideology of ISIS. 299 00:39:39,867 --> 00:39:43,700 But what would you say, how many percent of 300 00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:47,300 the Western Muslims are attracted by ISIS? 301 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,500 Well I mean, if you take your country for example, 302 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,400 there is about 5 million Muslims in Germany today. 303 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,800 What we know of, there is less than a thousand 304 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,200 [that] have gone to Iraq and Syria to fight. 305 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,633 So, if you just take those numbers, you are 306 00:40:04,633 --> 00:40:07,400 dealing with .02 percent of the Muslim population. 307 00:40:08,567 --> 00:40:10,667 It almost doesn't register statistically. 308 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,300 And yet if you watched German media, 309 00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,500 you re going to assume that every 310 00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,967 one of those 5 million German Muslims 311 00:40:21,967 --> 00:40:22,667 is a potential terrorist. 312 00:40:24,067 --> 00:40:26,633 Despite the fact that ISIS the state 313 00:40:26,633 --> 00:40:28,333 has told people you have to come. 314 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:30,533 So people aren't obeying them. 315 00:40:37,367 --> 00:40:39,200 The word for war, harb , in Arabic 316 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,333 is a negative term in the Koran. 317 00:40:41,633 --> 00:40:44,200 Jihad does not mean war. Jihad means struggle . 318 00:40:45,633 --> 00:40:48,800 The greater struggle is the struggle against the soul, 319 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,933 against the low qualities of the soul, and then 320 00:40:51,933 --> 00:40:54,867 the lesser jihad is the struggle against enemies that are 321 00:40:54,867 --> 00:40:58,433 trying to conquer your land or something like that. 322 00:40:58,433 --> 00:41:01,200 The verse that gave permission to fight, which 323 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,600 is Surat al Hajj, the 22nd chapter of the Koran. 324 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,867 The verse actually says: permission is granted to 325 00:41:07,867 --> 00:41:09,467 defend themselves because they have been fought. 326 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,700 And then it says: had it not been some people 327 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:17,567 defending other people, churches, synagogues, 328 00:41:17,567 --> 00:41:19,733 temples and mosques where in God s name is 329 00:41:19,733 --> 00:41:22,000 mentioned, much would've been destroyed. 330 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,733 And so the very reason for jihad was 331 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:26,467 to protect religious communities! 332 00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:29,900 You would say only self-defence is allowed? 333 00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:31,267 Self-defence is allowed in Islam. 334 00:41:32,733 --> 00:41:36,300 But to rebel against because the idea is that 335 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,000 even a tyrannical government, is better than anarchy. 336 00:41:41,267 --> 00:41:43,200 We thought maybe there were fireworks 337 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600 or something related to the show. 338 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,800 And they were shooting everybody in a very calm way. 339 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,300 We're here in Paris, we re sitting in a café. 340 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,633 We feel safe. 341 00:41:53,633 --> 00:41:56,100 But there's people that actually believe that they can 342 00:41:56,100 --> 00:42:00,333 simply come, take a Visa, and they can disregard the laws. 343 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:04,367 In Islamic law if you come 344 00:42:04,367 --> 00:42:06,100 into a land with a Visa, you re called 345 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,033 mu ahhad, which means you have 346 00:42:08,033 --> 00:42:09,000 a contractual agreement to obey the laws. 347 00:42:10,167 --> 00:42:12,133 If you break those laws, you re a criminal. 348 00:42:13,267 --> 00:42:15,533 And this is by consensus of Muslim scholars. 349 00:42:41,667 --> 00:42:43,400 Do you think a Caliphate would be 350 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,867 a solution for the Muslim World? 351 00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:50,333 No. Umar, the second Caliph, said that if anybody 352 00:42:50,333 --> 00:42:52,733 claims to be a Caliph, don t take his allegiance. 353 00:42:54,867 --> 00:42:58,333 Because Caliphate has to be an agreement of the Muslims. 354 00:42:58,333 --> 00:42:59,200 I mean why can't I just declare a Caliphate? 355 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,933 Right now, I am the Caliph! 356 00:43:01,933 --> 00:43:05,333 California comes from the Spanish word Khalifornia, 357 00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:07,033 the land of the Caliph. This is historical fact. 358 00:43:07,033 --> 00:43:07,767 California? Are you sure? 359 00:43:07,767 --> 00:43:09,433 Yeah, the land of the Caliph. 360 00:43:09,433 --> 00:43:11,933 So I will declare the Caliphate in California, 361 00:43:11,933 --> 00:43:13,533 and Abu Bakr [al-Baghdadi] is not the Caliph. 362 00:43:13,533 --> 00:43:15,833 I am the Caliph, so now everybody has to migrate 363 00:43:15,833 --> 00:43:17,467 to California and take allegiance with me. 364 00:43:18,967 --> 00:43:21,400 This is ridiculous, it s absurd. Who would accept that? 365 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,800 And I said this is anti-Islamic. 366 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,167 113 of the 114 surahs start with the words In the name of God 367 00:43:36,167 --> 00:43:38,733 the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Where is your mercy? 368 00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:43,100 What I ve seen, and again I want to hear 369 00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:45,400 what you saw, because I wasn t there. 370 00:43:46,367 --> 00:43:49,133 I like most people only see what s 371 00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:51,267 being shown to me, but they have 372 00:43:51,267 --> 00:43:54,133 released several things that have 373 00:43:54,133 --> 00:43:55,267 indicated to me that they re cruel. 374 00:43:56,233 --> 00:43:58,467 Benjamin Franklin said in his 375 00:43:58,467 --> 00:44:04,200 autobiography that since the Prophet Muhammad 376 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400 rebuked Khalid for mistreating prisoners, 377 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,867 no Muslim has ever mistreated prisoners. 378 00:44:09,867 --> 00:44:12,600 So there s a founding father of America who 379 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,900 knew more about Islam than these people. 380 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:18,267 Because you can t kill a prisoner, and to behead these 381 00:44:18,267 --> 00:44:20,733 journalists thank God you came back with your head. 382 00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:22,267 Because several journalists didn t. 383 00:44:29,233 --> 00:44:32,000 Foley's mother, she came out and just 384 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,733 begged for the mercy of her son. 385 00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:37,233 And she said: I read the Koran, and I read 386 00:44:37,233 --> 00:44:39,733 about the Prophet, and he was merciful. 387 00:44:40,533 --> 00:44:43,667 Just show mercy to my son . 388 00:44:43,667 --> 00:44:46,067 And I just felt it was so ironic that here is 389 00:44:46,067 --> 00:44:48,433 a woman who is not a Muslim, and yet she had 390 00:44:48,433 --> 00:44:50,700 a deeper understanding of the religion than 391 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:51,733 these people claiming to be the Caliphate. 392 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,433 Once they said: we have captured 393 00:44:54,433 --> 00:44:59,333 3,500 people in Mosul, but we 394 00:44:59,333 --> 00:45:00,133 have killed only 50 percent of them. 395 00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:04,200 This was mercy, for the other 50 percent. 396 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,400 What a lot of people don't understand is; 397 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,967 there are many many verses in the Koran 398 00:45:07,967 --> 00:45:10,133 about being forgiving, 399 00:45:10,133 --> 00:45:13,400 and not being angry about what people say or attack you; 400 00:45:14,633 --> 00:45:16,800 And the Prophet, when he moved to Medina, 401 00:45:18,033 --> 00:45:20,500 the first thing he did was create 402 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:23,567 this pluralistic society where 403 00:45:23,567 --> 00:45:26,667 the Jews had their religion, the Muslims had their religion 404 00:45:26,667 --> 00:45:29,733 he made covenants with several different Christians. 405 00:45:29,733 --> 00:45:32,100 These covenants are still in existence. 406 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,200 The churches that they have destroyed in Iraq; 407 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,433 they were there long before the Muslims. 408 00:45:37,433 --> 00:45:39,167 The Christians in Iraq were there long 409 00:45:39,167 --> 00:45:39,667 before the Muslims ever got there. 410 00:45:43,067 --> 00:45:45,267 In the entire biography of the Prophet. 411 00:45:45,267 --> 00:45:47,700 There is not one case where he forced 412 00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:49,867 anybody to believe in his religion. 413 00:45:49,867 --> 00:45:53,167 And he said God will give you with gentleness 414 00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,033 what he will never give you with violence. 415 00:45:55,033 --> 00:45:59,367 And so not to say Islam doesn t have a martial spirit, 416 00:45:59,367 --> 00:46:01,200 it doesn t have the idea of self-defence, that s all true. 417 00:46:02,667 --> 00:46:05,333 But at its essence it s a merciful thing. 418 00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:09,000 So when there s no mercy in something, it s not Islamic. 419 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:40,900 How would you defeat ISIS? 420 00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:45,733 ISIS is an ideological movement, and so it s ideas. 421 00:46:45,733 --> 00:46:48,667 And those ideas have to be combated with ideas. 422 00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:51,133 So you say we cannot bombard ideologies? 423 00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:53,233 I think it's unjust, it s a moral to 424 00:46:53,233 --> 00:46:56,400 bombard victims in this situation. 425 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,533 Most of which are civilians, women and children. 426 00:47:30,067 --> 00:47:34,700 You have to bombard the young people with ideas. Really. 427 00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:36,200 But you will not reach these fighters. 428 00:47:38,167 --> 00:47:39,500 I think you'll reach some of them, 429 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,000 I think you'll reach some of them. 430 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,400 There s a group in Toronto that 431 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,633 were plotting this terrorist act. 432 00:47:45,633 --> 00:47:47,833 They were arrested because of an informer. 433 00:47:47,833 --> 00:47:49,067 They re all in prison. 434 00:47:49,067 --> 00:47:51,433 I got a letter from one of them, who 435 00:47:51,433 --> 00:47:52,733 was introduced to my tapes in prison. 436 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,367 And he was saying how ashamed he felt that he had disgraced 437 00:47:58,367 --> 00:48:01,667 the religion of Islam, in this long letter to me. 438 00:48:01,667 --> 00:48:04,200 And that he had been tricked and fooled by this ideology. 439 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,767 So a lot of these are young people that 440 00:48:05,767 --> 00:48:08,333 have never been exposed to real Islam. 441 00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,600 Shaykh Hamza is the kind of man I have met 442 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,733 for over fifty years in the Muslim world. 443 00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:25,967 better to light one candle than curse 444 00:48:25,967 --> 00:48:26,600 the darkness . 445 00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,967 We have to illuminate ourselves, and help to illuminate others. 446 00:48:31,967 --> 00:48:34,067 I mean this is really, I think 447 00:48:34,067 --> 00:48:35,667 the essence of what makes us human. 448 00:48:38,733 --> 00:48:42,767 This kind of integrity and good character is what 449 00:48:42,767 --> 00:48:45,333 I hope will be passed on to our young generations. 450 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,133 MUSIC 451 00:48:53,433 --> 00:48:57,467 It seems to be so easy to brainwash young people. 452 00:48:58,533 --> 00:49:01,200 To tell them they re doing something 453 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,200 great in the Islamic State . 454 00:49:05,633 --> 00:49:09,200 And to persuade them that they are fighting for Islam. 455 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,267 And they are fighting against Islam. 456 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,800 They are the worst enemies of Islam in our days. 457 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,767 For me the Islamic State has as much to do 458 00:49:23,767 --> 00:49:27,000 with Islam as rape has to do with love. 459 00:49:27,667 --> 00:49:28,333 Nothing. 35068

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