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MUSIC
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GUNFIRE
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They have taken a central
position on the world stage.
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They call themselves
The Islamic State.
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They claim religious,
political and
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military authority
over all Muslims.
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In reality, they are a tiny
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minority of the
Muslim population.
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I have traveled in the Muslim
World for over fifty years
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and have experienced the love
and kindness of its people.
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Now, everyday we read about new
atrocities perpetrated by ISIS;
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they target innocent
people; killing, enslaving
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and torturing in the
name of religion.
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The group is a
Frankenstein phenomenon,
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born of the 2003
invasion of Iraq.
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and carry on the work of peace.
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We now have more
than 1.3 million
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killed civilians
across the Middle East
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and more than one
hundred thousand
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international terrorist,
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instead of some hundreds, before
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the beginning of
he war on terror.
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Our wars have been a
terror breeding program.
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EXPLOSION
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In mid 2014 ISIS cut
all communications
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with foreign journalists,
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while I still had an open
line to the organization.
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RINGING
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For several months I spoke
at length with Abu Qatada.
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His previous name was Christian.
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He s German to the
core and a leading
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figure in the IS
propaganda machine.
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This is a guarantee of safety
for ürgen Todenöfer
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and his team,
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so that he can travel safely
in the territories of
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the Islamic State with his
traveling companions.
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The soldiers of the
Islamic State will
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respect this guarantee
and allow him
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free and safe passage
until he has
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fulfilled his mission
and left once again.
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My name is ürgen Todenöfer.
I was the first Western
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reporter to enter ISIS
territory and come out alive.
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My son Frédéric joined
me with a camera.
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This is the story
our journey.
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Northern Aleppo, Syria.
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We are taken to a registration
center for new recruits.
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This French speaking
fighter, who refuses to
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be filmed, is responsible
for new arrivals.
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Between fifty and
sixty will turn up
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at this particular
center today.
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After a series interviews,
the officer decides
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how these men will serve
in the organization.
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We saw people from
all over the world.
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From Sweden, France,
The United States.
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There was a guy
from the Caribbean.
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Very good looking, very
charming, stylish,
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Ray Ban glasses.
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And I said what are
you doing here?
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What have you done before?
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He said I was just
admitted at
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the Court of my
country I asked him
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Are you going to fight
or are you going to
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work in the administration
as a lawyer?
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he said I m going to do
what the Calif is asking.
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First night in Raqqah.
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Gun and artillery
fire breaks out.
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IS fighters celebrate
the conquest of
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an important zone near the
airport of Der-E-Zor.
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When we arrived in Raqqah
we found out immediately
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that the boss of our IS
commando was the driver.
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He was always masked. He
was a guy from the UK,
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probably from London, and
he tried to dominate us.
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We have strong
suspicions that our
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masked driver was
Mohammad Emwasi,
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also known as Jihadi John,
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the executioner of
reporter James Foley.
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There were many indications.
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His direct contact with
foreign hostages,
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his insistence to have one of
the hostages hand us
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a letter for Prime Minister
David Cameron, on camera,
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his peculiar way of
speech, his London accent
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will result in the
bloodshed of your people.
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Back home our suspicions were
strengthened as we got online
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and heard his real
voice, reversed
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engineered by the
Anonymous Network.
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will result in the
bloodshed of your people.
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It sounded just like our driver.
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And we had some requests and
he didn t accept the requests.
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They took all our
electronic devices.
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We were even not allowed
to go to the balcony.
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Of course we went to
the balcony and we
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saw what was happening
in the streets,
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but we weren t allowed
to go out into Raqqah.
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This guy, the driver,
had an incredible
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tone, a way of speaking
I couldn t accept.
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So it was hard at the beginning
but, from Raqqah, our visit
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in the so called Islamic State
started to be successful.
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We cross the former
Syria-Iraq border, which
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the Islamic State has
reduced to rubble.
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Our masked English
driver is visibly angry.
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For the entire six hour journey,
he refuses to speak to us.
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Tell him he's not being filmed.
He's masked
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anyway. And he's a fighter
who isn't scared.
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MUSIC
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On first glance, life in Mosul
seems completely normal,
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if you forget that,
behind us,
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there are armed IS
fighters at all times.
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One of the IS guys tells us
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the Shia are gone and
the fish is back.
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A bad anc cruel joke
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When considering how many Shia
have been killed in Mosul.
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For the mostly Sunni
population here in
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Mosul, life under
the Shia government
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has been so bad in
recent years, that
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the IS is viewed
as a lesser evil.
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CALLING FOR PRAYER
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Time for Friday prayers.
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Shopkeepers shut their blinds
and close their stores.
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As we walk through the market,
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Abu Qatada attributes
this devotion
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to the ISIS grip on Mosul.
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The mosque gets so crowded,
that people lay their
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coats and scarves so they
can pray on the street.
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I have to admit
however, that we didn t
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feel very comfortable
during the sermon.
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MUSIC
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Our next stop is the Central
Court of Mosul, where we hope to
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find out how the new laws of
the IS are being implemented.
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As a former judge myself,
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I requested
an interview with a judge.
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We recorded with him for
almost an hour, but our
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masked English driver deleted
most of our footage.
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The judge told us all former
judges and court workers had
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been executed, while he studied
law at a local mosque.
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Do you speak English?
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And the end I asked
him, would there be any
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executions or amputations
during the next days.
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And I didn t say I d
want to see an execution
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or an amputation, I
only wanted to know.
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Abu Qatada said: If you
want to see an amputation or
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an execution, that s no
problem, I can do that for you!
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Do you want a Shia or
do you want a Kurd?
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I will do it for you .
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You know he said this
with a smile on his face.
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And if a guy from the
media department can say
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I will make the amputation
or the execution for
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you , then it mean that
there is no justice, that
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the laws of this Islamic
State are just a joke.
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I was not only shocked,
it made me extremely sad.
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Because I knew so much about
this man, about Abu Qatada.
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I know how he was
when he was young
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And he was completely different.
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We drive to the mosque
where Abu Bakr al Baghdadi
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made his first appearance
five months earlier.
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Its leaning minaret
makes the tower
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of Pisa look
positively vertical.
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For the first time
in over fifty years
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I m prevented from
entering a mosque.
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One of our escorts walks
in with Frederic s camera.
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The streets are
being patrolled by
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different kinds
of police forces.
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Is this ISIS police?
Or just police?
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Religious law and order seems
to be the key concern.
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It is puzzling to meet a
terrorist Chief of Police,
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dressed in US army gear,
looted from Iraqi soldiers.
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If you catch a thief,
how long will it take
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until his hand is cut off?
How many days?
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His message is official and
opaque, but it becomes clear
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just how firm the IS grip
is on the local population.
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Was he stealing something?
Or fighting?
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The man in the next
cell was arrested for
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possession of sleeping pills
and anti-depressants.
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For sleep...
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It s not allowed?
But if he is sick ?
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No, no, no! No sick!
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No sick.
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It can be hard to understand
what constitutes a crime
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in a puritan and
totalitarian regime. Will
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the people of Mosul accept this
situation, if the IS can t
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deliver on its promise of
security and prosperity?
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This former Iraqi army base is
currently in the hands of ISIS.
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The fighter outside the base has
an American M16 assault riffle.
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Did you participate in a fight?
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How old are you?
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How old?
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And you?
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And how much are you paid?
Do you
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get money when you are fighting?
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And you are the boss.
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Minutes after we enter the army
base, we spot an American plane.
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The fighters tell us our
visit will be cut short.
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We are not allowed to
film the secret prisons
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hidden under the
hills of this base.
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Instead, we are shown a
tank graveyard.
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This is what is left of
the Iraqi army in Mosul.
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What the IS had no use for has
been abandoned or destroyed.
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On our way to the city gates, we
suddenly stop at a roundabout.
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A Kurdish soldier
is being led to us.
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Before the interview, the
prisoner thanks us for our time.
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You are Kurdish.
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His voice catches.
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I want to stop the interview
when a drone is spotted.
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I shake his hand long and hard.
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They put a bag over his head and
drive him to a secret location.
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We continue our drive to
the outskirts of town,
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where we interview a
front line ISIS fighter.
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He should look at me.
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You were one of the
first fighters who
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entered Mosul. Is that correct?
In August?
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How many people were you?
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Only three hundred?
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How can you explain that
with less than three hundred
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people, twenty-four thousand
people were running away?
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How do you explain that?
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What is your name?
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As usual, I wanted to shake
hands, but he refused.
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He said: You have a guarantee,
here in the Islamic State.
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So you will survive here. But
you will go back to Germany.
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And we will come to Germany.
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We will search you, we will
find you and we will kill you.
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I have had enough of the
so-called Islamic State.
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I am saturated by
their rhetoric.
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I have heard them speak in the
name of all Muslim people.
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Still, from my understanding,
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they don't represent
Islam at all.
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It is strange to
see people going
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through their day in a war zone,
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and then watching IS propaganda
as their evening entertainment.
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With three cars and
six armed escorts,
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we pay a visit to a hospital.
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As we see in the car
park, apparently
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the Islamic State is even
issuing license plates.
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The judge told me
corruption is over.
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The Chief of Police
said there is no crime.
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Perhaps the doctors will tell me
they have eradicated disease
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We meet a young doctor who
doesn t want to be filmed.
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He says he s from
Europe, but no more.
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I press him and he
gets ready to talk.
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We speak to three wounded
men; two IS fighters
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and one civilian.
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What did you do
before joining IS?
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And why did you join ISIS?
What was your motivation?
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You were injured last
Saturday by a drone attack?
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He says it was
drones, he doesn t
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know, but he thinks
they were Iraqi.
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And there are also twenty
citizens, all killed,
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just citizens, and also too
many injured, he says.
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By the drones. By the drones.
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I couldn t assess the
accuracy of these
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allegations, but independent
sources have confirmed
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multiple cases where civilians
or civil infrastructure
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have been targeted
by coalition forces.
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EXPLOSION
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After fourteen year of War
on Terror, we have more
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than one hundred thousand
international terrorists.
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Some of them even
have their own state.
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The Islamic State
is as big as UK.
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MUSIC
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EXPLOSION
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EXPLOSION
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Abu Qatada was deadly serious.
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GUNFIRE
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For the so-called Islamic
State, one hundred
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and thirty human
lives are worthless.
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The massacre at the
Bataclan Music Hall,
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brought home their sadism.
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Look at this!
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He looks very happy
about killing somebody.
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I am here to interview
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.
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With his help, I want to clarify
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things and put them
into perspective.
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He has studied Islam
for over thirty years.
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He is of the most widely
respected and influential
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Muslims scholars in the world.
He s also an American.
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Did ISIS try to kill you?
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They issued that there would
be a reward for somebody.
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So you are a target.
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I m a target. I gave a khutba,
which a Friday sermon.
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It s madness. Complete insanity.
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And I think it just
bothered them. Because my
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argument was they had
nothing to do with Islam.
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These people have nothing
to do with this religion!
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This is literally
a statistically
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insignificant number of people,
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and yet they are claiming that
we represent the true Islam.
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They don't represent my Islam.
And they don't represent
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the vast majority of Muslims
around the world s Islam.
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Making propaganda
every day with their
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brutality is, I think
this is something new.
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It creates a gross
distortion in the minds of
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Western people [when]
that is all they see.
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And also we re living
in an age to use
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a French philosopher
the age of spectacle.
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And so the more dramatic
you can do something,
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the more media
attention it will get.
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Some young people are attracted
by the ideology of ISIS.
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But what would you say,
how many percent of
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the Western Muslims are
attracted by ISIS?
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Well I mean, if you take
your country for example,
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there is about 5 million
Muslims in Germany today.
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What we know of, there
is less than a thousand
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[that] have gone to Iraq
and Syria to fight.
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So, if you just take
those numbers, you are
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dealing with .02 percent of
the Muslim population.
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It almost doesn't
register statistically.
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And yet if you watched
German media,
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you re going to
assume that every
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one of those 5 million German
Muslims
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is a potential terrorist.
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Despite the fact
that ISIS the state
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has told people
you have to come.
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So people aren't obeying them.
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The word for war,
harb , in Arabic
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is a negative term in the Koran.
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Jihad does not mean war.
Jihad means struggle .
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The greater struggle is the
struggle against the soul,
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against the low qualities
of the soul, and then
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the lesser jihad is the struggle
against enemies that are
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trying to conquer your land
or something like that.
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The verse that gave
permission to fight, which
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is Surat al Hajj, the 22nd
chapter of the Koran.
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The verse actually says:
permission is granted to
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defend themselves because
they have been fought.
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And then it says: had
it not been some people
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defending other people,
churches, synagogues,
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temples and mosques
where in God s name is
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mentioned, much would've
been destroyed.
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And so the very
reason for jihad was
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to protect religious
communities!
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You would say only
self-defence is allowed?
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Self-defence is
allowed in Islam.
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But to rebel against because
the idea is that
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even a tyrannical government,
is better than anarchy.
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We thought maybe
there were fireworks
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or something related
to the show.
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And they were shooting
everybody in a very calm way.
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We're here in Paris,
we re sitting in a café.
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We feel safe.
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But there's people that
actually believe that they can
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simply come, take a Visa, and
they can disregard the laws.
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In Islamic law if you come
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into a land with a
Visa, you re called
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mu ahhad, which means you have
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a contractual agreement
to obey the laws.
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If you break those laws,
you re a criminal.
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And this is by consensus
of Muslim scholars.
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Do you think a
Caliphate would be
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a solution for the Muslim World?
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No. Umar, the second Caliph,
said that if anybody
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claims to be a Caliph,
don t take his allegiance.
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Because Caliphate has to be
an agreement of the Muslims.
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I mean why can't I just
declare a Caliphate?
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Right now, I am the Caliph!
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California comes from the
Spanish word Khalifornia,
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the land of the Caliph.
This is historical fact.
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California? Are you sure?
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Yeah, the land of the Caliph.
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So I will declare the
Caliphate in California,
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and Abu Bakr [al-Baghdadi]
is not the Caliph.
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I am the Caliph, so now
everybody has to migrate
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to California and take
allegiance with me.
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This is ridiculous, it s absurd.
Who would accept that?
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And I said this is anti-Islamic.
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113 of the 114 surahs start with
the words In the name of God
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the Most Gracious, the Most
Merciful. Where is your mercy?
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What I ve seen, and
again I want to hear
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what you saw, because
I wasn t there.
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I like most people
only see what s
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being shown to me, but they have
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released several
things that have
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indicated to me
that they re cruel.
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Benjamin Franklin said in his
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autobiography that since
the Prophet Muhammad
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rebuked Khalid for
mistreating prisoners,
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no Muslim has ever
mistreated prisoners.
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So there s a founding
father of America who
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knew more about Islam
than these people.
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Because you can t kill a
prisoner, and to behead these
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journalists thank God you
came back with your head.
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Because several
journalists didn t.
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Foley's mother, she
came out and just
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begged for the mercy of her son.
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And she said: I read
the Koran, and I read
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about the Prophet,
and he was merciful.
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Just show mercy to my son .
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And I just felt it was
so ironic that here is
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a woman who is not a
Muslim, and yet she had
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a deeper understanding
of the religion than
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these people claiming
to be the Caliphate.
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Once they said:
we have captured
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3,500 people in Mosul, but we
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have killed only 50 percent
of them.
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This was mercy, for
the other 50 percent.
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What a lot of people
don't understand is;
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there are many many
verses in the Koran
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about being forgiving,
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and not being angry about what
people say or attack you;
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And the Prophet, when
he moved to Medina,
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the first thing
he did was create
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this pluralistic society where
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the Jews had their religion, the
Muslims had their religion
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he made covenants with several
different Christians.
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These covenants are
still in existence.
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The churches that they
have destroyed in Iraq;
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they were there long
before the Muslims.
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The Christians in
Iraq were there long
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before the Muslims
ever got there.
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In the entire biography
of the Prophet.
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There is not one
case where he forced
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anybody to believe
in his religion.
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And he said God will
give you with gentleness
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what he will never give
you with violence.
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And so not to say Islam
doesn t have a martial spirit,
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it doesn t have the idea of
self-defence, that s all true.
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But at its essence
it s a merciful thing.
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So when there s no mercy in
something, it s not Islamic.
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How would you defeat ISIS?
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ISIS is an ideological
movement, and so it s ideas.
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And those ideas have to
be combated with ideas.
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So you say we cannot
bombard ideologies?
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I think it's unjust,
it s a moral to
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bombard victims in
this situation.
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Most of which are civilians,
women and children.
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You have to bombard the young
people with ideas. Really.
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But you will not reach
these fighters.
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I think you'll reach
some of them,
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I think you'll reach
some of them.
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There s a group in Toronto that
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were plotting this
terrorist act.
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They were arrested
because of an informer.
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They re all in prison.
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I got a letter from
one of them, who
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was introduced to
my tapes in prison.
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And he was saying how ashamed
he felt that he had disgraced
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the religion of Islam, in
this long letter to me.
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And that he had been tricked
and fooled by this ideology.
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So a lot of these are
young people that
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have never been exposed
to real Islam.
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Shaykh Hamza is the
kind of man I have met
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for over fifty years
in the Muslim world.
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better to light one
candle than curse
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the darkness .
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We have to illuminate ourselves,
and help to illuminate others.
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I mean this is
really, I think
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the essence of what
makes us human.
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This kind of integrity and
good character is what
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I hope will be passed on to
our young generations.
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MUSIC
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It seems to be so easy to
brainwash young people.
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To tell them they re
doing something
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great in the Islamic State .
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And to persuade them that
they are fighting for Islam.
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And they are fighting
against Islam.
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They are the worst enemies
of Islam in our days.
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For me the Islamic State
has as much to do
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with Islam as rape
has to do with love.
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Nothing.
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