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Man:
The year was 1978
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when the killing spree of
John Wayne Gacy finally came to an end,
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as Chicago police arrested him
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and began digging up bodies he
had buried under his Summerdale house.
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Man #2:
Many called it the crime of the century.
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Some of the bodies were clothed
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and three of the bodies had
ropes around their necks.
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Woman:
He killed 33 times
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and his victims were all boys
and young men between the ages of 14...
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Man: He says he's a victim
for being found guilty
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and he says the families
are victims
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because they don't know who
the real killer is.
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Woman: Testimony provided
a frightening view inside the mind
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of the worst mass killer
in American history.
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33 families...
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Woman #2: When you have a child
taken out of your life,
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it's like a huge piece
being ripped out...
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Woman #3: Cook County sheriff's
deputies investigating the disappearance
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of a teenaged boy
made a gruesome discovery
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in the crawl space
beneath a Chicago residence.
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The owner of the house is local contractor
John Wayne Gacy.
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The bodies of 28 victims have
been recovered...
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Man: He knew exactly what he was doing;
he planned it in advance;
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he carried it out
and he enjoyed it.
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Man #2:spree was initially uncovered
on a cold December day
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when the first of his victims
was found in the crawl space
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beneath his suburban Chicago home.
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Woman: In the crawl space,
bodies covered with lye
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dug up a few days before Christmas,
one after another.
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The bodies of 28 victims
have been recovered;
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another five retrieved
from the Des Plaines River...
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Man: Tuesday, four bodies;
Wednesday, six bodies;
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and today, six bodies.
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Man #2: Skeletonized remains
of human bodies.
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Reporter: At one point he told police
how he murdered his victims.
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Now he's telling me he never did.
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John Wayne Gacy was
convicted in 1980
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for the rape and murder
of those 33 boys and young men,
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many of whom he buried
under his Chicago house
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while others were found
in the Des Plaines River.
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That was 13 years ago
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and today attorneys have filed
their final appeal
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with the Seventh Circuit Court
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while Gacy remains on death row
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at the Menard Correctional Center
in Illinois.
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The US Court of Appeals
upheld his conviction and death sentence,
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a move that could clear
the way for his execution within...
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Who are they talking about?
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Gacy.
He just filed his last appeal.
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Reporter: About what it's like to
be waiting to die on death row.
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Due to be executed in six months...
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Feet off the coffee table.
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Gacy: No, I don't sit around
worrying about the death penalty.
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See, I'm a PMA kind of person...
positive mental attitude.
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I don't have time
for negative thinking and death...
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This guy's been in prison since '78
and they're just gonna kill him now?
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The reason it takes so long is
'cause of our appellate system.
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Reporter: And refuses to cooperate
with law enforcement.
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This thing that I did...
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no, if I'm guilty of anything, it's operating
a funeral home without a license.
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And you want a career
in law enforcement?
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These people are
so incompetent.
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Okay, Mom.
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Gacy:
They had no confession.
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I'm an embarrassment to
the criminal-justice system
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because it's easier to kill me now
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than to admit that they screwed up
15 years ago.
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Reporter: Authorities have tried
on numerous occasions
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to elicit a detailed
confession from Gacy,
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but he has remained tight-lipped
about the crimes ever since his conviction.
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With time running out
for the death-row inmate,
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the truth may never be revealed.
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Antisocial Personality Disorder,
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or APD,
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is characterized by a lack of regard
for the moral or legal standards
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in a given culture.
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There's also an inability
to get along with others
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as well as to abide
by societal rules.
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Now individuals with this disorder
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are often referred to as psychopaths
or sociopaths, but in fact we know...
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Yes, Jason?
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Doesn't the DSM have
a broader APD category
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that includes people who commit illegal,
immoral or self-serving acts,
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but they're not necessarily
psychopathic?
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What's the DSM?
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Oh, would you care to
enlighten the class, Jason?
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Sure, it's the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders.
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And although it has some
problems with reliability
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and is considered culturally biased,
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it is the major resource
for mental-health professionals.
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- Well, thank you, Professor Moss.
- Mm-hmm.
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Well, that's not precisely correct,
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but I'd say it's close enough.
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Uh, okay look,
we're going over,
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so why don't we stop there
and we will pick it up again next week?
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Thank you.
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- I'll catch up with you, okay?
- Girl: Okay.
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Professor Harris?
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Can I talk to you
about the term paper?
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Term paper? That's not due
till the end of the year.
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Yeah, I know. I just... I want
to get a head start on it.
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Sure. What's your question?
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So I want to do my paper
on John Wayne Gacy.
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Gacy?
What's the angle?
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- Um...
- (door closes)
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Well, there's a thousand angles
that could be explored...
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um, capital punishment from
the perspective of a death-row inmate;
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does Gacy fit the typical FBI profile
of a serial killer?
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And he's... he's scheduled
to be executed in six months,
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so he might be more willing
to talk to me.
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You know, Jason, I've read
a hundred papers on serial killers
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and quite frankly, I think
the topic's overexposed and trite.
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You're gonna have to demonstrate
a really strong academic angle here.
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Okay?
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Okay.
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I'll work on it.
I'll get back to you.
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And don't forget, this paper counts
for half your final grade.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm not worried.
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(machine humming)
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(machine humming)
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Woman:
Hi, Mr. Gacy.
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Gacy:
So where's the big guy?
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He had to make a delivery
but he should be back soon.
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What kind of damage is
he looking to do now?
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I think he was talking about tearing down
that back wall by the storage area.
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All right, I'll go take a look.
How's it going, pal?
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Hey.
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Girl:
Did you get your Christmas bonus?
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No, not yet.
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- You?
- No, not yet.
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Boy:
Well, it better come in soon.
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How much you make
an hour here?
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$2.50.
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You know, I pay my guys $7.50.
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Really?
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You interested?
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Oh shit.
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Hey.
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Where the fuck were you?
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I know, man, I'm sorry.
I got held up.
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Look at me. Hey.
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What the fu...
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Alex, why does that guy
keep fucking with you?
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Just drive, okay?
I want to get out of here.
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- Later.
- Bye, Alex.
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I'm sorry I was late.
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You guys are late.
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Jason:
I know, Mom. It's my fault.
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Alex, take your hat off at the table.
It's not polite.
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- So how was school, boys?
- Jason: It was good.
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Good.
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Did you hear me?
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Father:
Alex, do what your mother says.
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What the hell happened
to your eye?
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- Nothing.
- What do you mean, nothing?
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It doesn't look like nothing to me.
Jason, what happened?
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It's not a big deal, Mom, okay?
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He just got into it
with some kid at school.
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You should see the other kid.
Alex really held his own in there.
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- I don't support violence in this house.
- It wasn't in this house.
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Don't get smart with me.
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Pass the salad.
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- So guess what?
- What's that, Jason?
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I'm gonna write a letter
to John Wayne Gacy.
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Father:
And who is John Wayne Gacy?
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He's a psychotic murderer, Frank.
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You don't know who
John Gacy is?
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So why are you contacting
this psychotic murderer, Jason?
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For my criminology class.
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Cool.
Does he write his letters in blood?
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Mother:
Frank, are you hearing any of this?
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Come on, Valerie,
what's the point?
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Let him write the letter.
Probably won't even write back.
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- I don't care. The answer is no.
- Valerie...
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- No, I'm telling you...
- Jason's voice: Dear Mr. Gacy,
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my name is Jason Moss
and I'm an 18-year-old college student.
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I'm writing because I thought you might
get bored or lonely where you are
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and might want someone
to correspond with.
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I've been seeing you on TV a lot lately
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and I wanted
to talk to you directly
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as I'm sure most of what the media
says about you is a lie.
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At the moment I live at home
with my family.
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And if they found out I was writing
to you, they'd probably kill me.
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But my mom is pretty much against
everything I do anyways,
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so what's the difference?
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I have to admit that
I'm really not much of a student.
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I barely graduated from high school,
so it's a miracle I even got into college.
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But I'm just gonna go
for a year or so to appease my parents
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and then when I can get
enough money together
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I'll move out.
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I can't wait.
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At this point, I don't really know what
else to say until you write me back.
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If you should need anything like paper
or supplies, just let me know.
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I'd be happy to help.
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I'm sure there are
many others who write you,
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but I hope you take the time
to write me back.
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You'll see that
I'm a pretty nice guy.
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I look forward
to hearing from you soon.
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Your friend, Jason Moss.
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Gacy: Look, Sam, I need to know how long
this habeas corpus review is gonna be.
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(door buzzes)
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I mean on average...
how long does it take?
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(keys jangle, lock turns)
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I know that, Sam.
I'm just trying to figure out
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how much time it's gonna buy me,
you know?
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I know you're working hard.
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I know that.
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Listen to me, buddy,
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you've got to know
that I'm counting on you here, pal.
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All right, all right.
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All right, keep me posted.
If you hear anything, get back to me.
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Good news?
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(chuckles)
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He's an attorney;
there's never any good news.
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But no worries.
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You know me, Stan.
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I got friends in high places
pulling strings for me.
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I'm sure it'll all work out then.
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Yeah, it's no problem, buddy.
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(door buzzes)
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(inhales)
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Man on TV:
...and his motive unclear.
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In the summer of 1985,
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Southern California was held hostage
by a rabid creature of the night,
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a phantom killer who cloaked
himself in darkness
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and soon became known as...
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(opening letter)
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What the fuck?
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Look at this.
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- What is this?
- It's a questionnaire.
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Where'd you get it?
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It's from John Wayne Gacy.
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The serial killer?
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Yeah.
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I told you, I'm writing him
for my criminology paper.
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No you didn't.
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I didn't? Really?
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Look, you know, I probably
didn't think it was a big deal
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because I never thought
he'd write me back, but...
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"What's your relationship
like with your parents?
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Do you have a girlfriend?
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How often do you masturbate?"
That's disgusting.
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Why are you writing to this guy?
245
00:15:26,659 --> 00:15:29,628
I just told you...
it's for my paper.
246
00:15:29,662 --> 00:15:32,495
You couldn't think of anything else
to do your paper on?
247
00:15:32,531 --> 00:15:35,295
No, this is what's intriguing to me.
248
00:15:37,136 --> 00:15:38,603
(sighs)
249
00:15:38,637 --> 00:15:41,299
You're not really gonna tell him
about yourself, right?
250
00:15:46,278 --> 00:15:48,337
No no.
251
00:15:48,380 --> 00:15:51,951
That wouldn't be
the best approach, would it?
252
00:15:54,987 --> 00:15:58,388
Jason: So I see Victor Leon Carsenos
is back on your most-wanted list.
253
00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:01,791
Didn't you guys arrest him in '92
for felonious homicide?
254
00:16:01,827 --> 00:16:04,660
Yep, but he got off
on a technicality.
255
00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:07,257
So what's the urgency, Mr. Ross?
256
00:16:07,299 --> 00:16:11,861
Uh, it's... it's this, sir.
257
00:16:11,904 --> 00:16:13,496
And it's "Moss."
258
00:16:17,776 --> 00:16:21,177
- A questionnaire?
- From John Wayne Gacy.
259
00:16:21,213 --> 00:16:23,647
Okay.
260
00:16:23,682 --> 00:16:27,584
I wrote him for my criminology term paper
and he sent me that back,
261
00:16:27,619 --> 00:16:31,578
so I was hoping the FBI would be able to
give me some more information on him.
262
00:16:31,623 --> 00:16:35,286
Well, unfortunately you're barking
up the wrong tree, son.
263
00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:38,194
We don't have any information here
on John Gacy.
264
00:16:39,431 --> 00:16:41,729
If we did have anything, it'd probably
be at the Chicago bureau.
265
00:16:41,767 --> 00:16:45,828
Really? 'Cause, well,
he lived here in '62.
266
00:16:45,871 --> 00:16:49,637
He worked part time
as a janitor at a funeral parlor.
267
00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:53,202
And then shortly after that,
he was convicted of child molestation
268
00:16:53,245 --> 00:16:56,442
for which he served only 18 months
of a 10-year sentence.
269
00:16:56,482 --> 00:16:58,279
Mmm.
270
00:16:58,317 --> 00:17:02,344
Well, you know
so much about him,
271
00:17:02,388 --> 00:17:04,253
what do you need me for?
272
00:17:04,289 --> 00:17:08,555
Well, I was hoping you could tell me
something I didn't already know.
273
00:17:11,163 --> 00:17:13,791
Look, son, like I told you before,
274
00:17:13,832 --> 00:17:16,995
we don't have anything here
on John Gacy.
275
00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,698
And the only thing I heard about him
was about some kid
276
00:17:19,738 --> 00:17:22,468
that claimed he had
an encounter with Gacy.
277
00:17:22,508 --> 00:17:24,567
But that was all over
the news when he moved here,
278
00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:27,602
so I'm sure you already
know about that.
279
00:17:27,646 --> 00:17:29,113
An encounter?
280
00:17:29,148 --> 00:17:31,810
Like what do you mean...
he survived an attack?
281
00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:33,613
Who was it?
282
00:17:33,652 --> 00:17:35,882
I don't remember the kid's name.
283
00:17:39,658 --> 00:17:43,719
Have you guys ever tried writing him
from a potential victim's perspective?
284
00:17:45,397 --> 00:17:47,331
All psychological profiling's
done out of Quantico,
285
00:17:47,366 --> 00:17:49,334
so you'd have to talk to them.
286
00:17:49,368 --> 00:17:51,836
Yeah? Okay, do you have someone
I can contact there?
287
00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:55,033
(laughs)
288
00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:59,135
Listen, kid, you're what... 18?
289
00:17:59,178 --> 00:18:03,114
Go get laid.
Find a party, have fun.
290
00:18:03,148 --> 00:18:05,412
Don't get caught up in
all this shit
291
00:18:05,451 --> 00:18:07,919
'cause it's only gonna
lead to trouble.
292
00:18:07,953 --> 00:18:12,481
Write your term paper
about legalizing marijuana
293
00:18:12,524 --> 00:18:15,618
and go be a teenager,
for Christ's sake.
294
00:18:15,661 --> 00:18:18,789
Okay. Well, thank you.
295
00:18:20,232 --> 00:18:23,668
Man on TV: So tell me about
your relationship with your father.
296
00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:26,000
I could never get along
with my dad.
297
00:18:26,038 --> 00:18:28,131
I mean, he was always
just too overbearing.
298
00:18:28,173 --> 00:18:30,164
I was always dumb and stupid.
299
00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:33,508
I would never amount to anything.
So I said to hell with it.
300
00:18:33,545 --> 00:18:37,948
I remember one time I was
rasslin' around with some older kids
301
00:18:37,983 --> 00:18:39,450
and I passed out.
302
00:18:39,485 --> 00:18:42,579
So I was always more or less
a sickly kid, you know.
303
00:18:42,621 --> 00:18:46,717
And I guess that embarrassed him.
304
00:18:46,758 --> 00:18:50,125
Man: Okay, so you continue to deny
the murder of those 33 young boys,
305
00:18:50,162 --> 00:18:54,121
but how do you explain the bodies
found beneath your house?
306
00:18:54,166 --> 00:18:58,193
Gacy: The state wants you
to believe this fantasy theory, right,
307
00:18:58,237 --> 00:19:00,432
that the motive was sex
308
00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:04,203
and that they were all killed so that
they couldn't tell anyone what they saw.
309
00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:07,007
That's ridiculous.
It doesn't hold water.
310
00:19:07,045 --> 00:19:08,808
The facts don't match the fantasy.
311
00:19:08,847 --> 00:19:12,180
Which raises the question
who John Gacy really is...
312
00:19:12,217 --> 00:19:14,242
the 34th victim.
313
00:19:14,286 --> 00:19:16,686
Man:
Are you a homosexual?
314
00:19:16,722 --> 00:19:20,556
I would definitely not
be homosexual.
315
00:19:20,592 --> 00:19:22,992
Now I have nothing against
the things that they do
316
00:19:23,028 --> 00:19:26,486
and I openly admit
that I've engaged in sex with males.
317
00:19:26,532 --> 00:19:28,557
But I would be bisexual.
318
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,660
I mean the idea that
I'm some crazed homosexual killer
319
00:19:31,703 --> 00:19:33,295
strolling around the streets
320
00:19:33,338 --> 00:19:36,432
stalking and murdering
young altar boys is ludicrous.
321
00:19:36,475 --> 00:19:38,466
Hell, if you could have
seen my schedule,
322
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:41,843
you'd know damn well
I was never out there.
323
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,007
(rewinding)
324
00:19:44,049 --> 00:19:48,042
I would definitely not
be homosexual.
325
00:19:48,086 --> 00:19:50,281
Now I have nothing against
the things that they do
326
00:19:50,322 --> 00:19:53,553
and I openly admit
that I've engaged in sex with males.
327
00:19:53,592 --> 00:19:55,992
But I would be bisexual.
328
00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:58,121
(hip-hop music playing)
329
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,494
(knock on door)
330
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:08,002
What are you doing?
331
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,474
What does it look like?
332
00:20:10,509 --> 00:20:12,306
Since when does
Jason lift weights?
333
00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:15,438
Since now, okay?
334
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,074
Hey hey, go get your camera.
335
00:20:19,484 --> 00:20:21,509
I need you to take
some pictures for me.
336
00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:22,918
Of what?
337
00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:25,116
Come on, let's go.
338
00:20:26,792 --> 00:20:28,851
- This is ridiculous.
- Would you just hurry up, please,
339
00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:31,055
before Mom comes home?
340
00:20:33,632 --> 00:20:35,259
Why are you trying to look sexy?
341
00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:37,734
Because, buddy,
Gacy's a homo
342
00:20:37,769 --> 00:20:41,330
so I need to look like a homo,
do you get that?
343
00:20:41,373 --> 00:20:43,466
- Come on.
- This is so disgusting.
344
00:20:43,508 --> 00:20:47,205
(sighs)
Just take the picture.
345
00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,840
Oh, wait wait wait.
How are my abs? Are they good?
346
00:20:49,881 --> 00:20:51,940
I'm not gonna look at your abs.
347
00:20:51,984 --> 00:20:53,975
Alex, could you just
help me out, please?
348
00:20:54,019 --> 00:20:56,078
I need to make sure
these come out right, okay?
349
00:20:56,121 --> 00:20:58,817
- Your abs look fabulous.
- Thank you.
350
00:21:02,327 --> 00:21:04,852
- Okay, one more, one more.
- (camera rolling)
351
00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:10,532
How'd that look?
352
00:21:10,569 --> 00:21:12,867
Gay.
353
00:21:12,904 --> 00:21:15,202
Perfect.
354
00:21:25,851 --> 00:21:29,343
- Open D-32.
- (door buzzes)
355
00:21:30,522 --> 00:21:33,218
Hey, Picasso,
your mail's here.
356
00:21:33,258 --> 00:21:35,954
How's it going, buddy?
357
00:21:35,994 --> 00:21:37,985
Another clown, huh?
358
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:40,590
Well, that's what
the people want, Stan,
359
00:21:40,632 --> 00:21:42,190
that's what they get.
360
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:45,203
How else could I be able to afford
this lavish lifestyle in here?
361
00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:48,035
Speaking of lavish lifestyle,
your Cubans came in.
362
00:21:48,073 --> 00:21:49,802
Oh yeah? Great.
363
00:21:51,276 --> 00:21:54,245
(door buzzes)
364
00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:56,747
Well, back to the grind, huh?
365
00:21:56,782 --> 00:21:58,773
Where are you off to
in such a hurry?
366
00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:02,150
I thought maybe we'd kick back
and smoke a couple of these babies.
367
00:22:02,187 --> 00:22:04,883
You know the rules.
368
00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:07,483
Hey, Stan?
369
00:22:08,694 --> 00:22:10,821
Rules are meant to be broken.
370
00:22:10,862 --> 00:22:13,695
So why are you here?
371
00:22:13,732 --> 00:22:16,633
- Best to your family, pal.
- Close D-32.
372
00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:19,762
(door buzzes)
373
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:54,104
Jason's voice: My relationship with
my parents is not the greatest.
374
00:22:54,139 --> 00:22:57,597
My mom is always on my ass
trying to control my life.
375
00:22:57,642 --> 00:23:00,702
My dad's normally more passive.
However, he has a temper
376
00:23:00,746 --> 00:23:04,648
and loses it once in a while
and can beat my ass pretty good.
377
00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:08,175
Nobody knows I'm thinking about being
a nude dancer to earn extra money,
378
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,120
which is a bit tight
for me right now.
379
00:23:10,155 --> 00:23:12,817
I don't even know
why I'm telling you all this.
380
00:23:12,858 --> 00:23:15,918
I guess I just feel like
I can open up to you.
381
00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:19,158
Well, I really want us
to become friends.
382
00:23:19,197 --> 00:23:22,064
So I look forward to hearing
back from you soon.
383
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:25,297
Yours, Jason.
384
00:23:25,337 --> 00:23:27,567
Gacy's voice: One of the things
you should know about me
385
00:23:27,606 --> 00:23:30,370
is that I'm open-minded, outspoken,
386
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:33,401
not very tactful, nonjudgmental,
387
00:23:33,445 --> 00:23:35,640
liberal, and I say what I mean.
388
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,116
The only thing I ask is
don't assume anything of me.
389
00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:41,779
If you're not sure, then ask.
390
00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:44,618
Nothing offends me
and nothing is personal.
391
00:23:44,656 --> 00:23:47,250
No subject is off limits
as long as you're willing
392
00:23:47,292 --> 00:23:49,954
to be just as open
and honest as me.
393
00:23:49,995 --> 00:23:53,658
Jason's voice: I want you to feel free to
say what is on your mind, good or bad.
394
00:23:53,698 --> 00:23:57,862
Even if it's 20 pages long, I want
you to tell me everything about you.
395
00:23:57,903 --> 00:23:59,962
Don't worry about
what I might think.
396
00:24:00,005 --> 00:24:03,634
I am truly fascinated to know about
the ideas, thoughts and emotions
397
00:24:03,675 --> 00:24:06,303
that enter your mind.
398
00:24:06,344 --> 00:24:08,073
I am a very liberal person.
399
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:10,877
And since you said you will not
share my letters with anyone,
400
00:24:10,916 --> 00:24:15,012
I feel I can confide in you,
as I hope you can also do with me.
401
00:24:15,053 --> 00:24:18,022
As far as sex goes,
I haven't done a lot.
402
00:24:18,056 --> 00:24:19,785
I don't have a girlfriend or anything,
403
00:24:19,825 --> 00:24:22,851
but I have an open mind
to try many different things.
404
00:24:22,894 --> 00:24:26,421
Gacy's voice: You want my opinion
on something, that's what you'll get.
405
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,696
I want to know all your innermost
feelings and thoughts.
406
00:24:29,734 --> 00:24:31,531
What do you fantasize about?
407
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:35,199
You say that you're thinking about
hustling for money, I say go for it.
408
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,539
But you have to promise you'll
tell me all about it. Don't hold back.
409
00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:40,909
I want details... everything.
410
00:24:40,946 --> 00:24:44,177
You and I are gonna
be real close, buddy.
411
00:24:48,453 --> 00:24:50,155
Professor Harris?
412
00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:50,814
Professor Harris?
413
00:24:50,856 --> 00:24:52,221
Yes, Mr. Moss?
414
00:24:52,257 --> 00:24:56,023
Hi. I wanted to share
my new angle with you.
415
00:24:56,061 --> 00:24:59,224
- What's that?
- Well, read it.
416
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:02,663
A letter from Gacy?
417
00:25:02,701 --> 00:25:05,192
- You got him to write to you?
- Yeah.
418
00:25:10,742 --> 00:25:14,269
Okay.
What are you gonna do with it?
419
00:25:14,312 --> 00:25:19,045
I'm gonna get information out of him
that no one else has been able to...
420
00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:22,747
not the police, not the FBI,
not even his own wife.
421
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:28,289
I'm gonna get inside this guy's head
and figure out what makes him tick.
422
00:25:28,326 --> 00:25:30,191
Well, that's quite a lofty goal, Jason,
423
00:25:30,228 --> 00:25:33,163
but I still don't know
what your paper's about.
424
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:36,167
Well, my paper is about
425
00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:39,398
journeying into
the mind of a serial killer.
426
00:25:39,437 --> 00:25:42,531
Is that a strong enough
angle for you?
427
00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:49,976
Okay, Jason, you're going
to do what you want anyway,
428
00:25:50,015 --> 00:25:52,506
so go ahead.
429
00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:55,611
But don't let your ego
get in the way of your instincts.
430
00:25:55,654 --> 00:25:58,623
This guy's talent is
fooling people into trusting him.
431
00:25:58,657 --> 00:26:02,457
Yeah, but that's also his weakness.
432
00:26:02,494 --> 00:26:04,621
He's so convinced
he always has the upper hand,
433
00:26:04,663 --> 00:26:07,826
he wouldn't even for an instant think
that one of his potential victims
434
00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:10,027
could be way ahead of him.
435
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:12,229
I'm working on a strategy.
436
00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:14,431
I even found a guy
who survived an attack.
437
00:26:14,472 --> 00:26:15,803
You give me a couple of weeks
438
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,967
and I'll have him eating
out of the palm of my hand.
439
00:26:56,081 --> 00:26:58,072
(doorbell rings)
440
00:27:10,328 --> 00:27:13,126
- Can I help you?
- Yeah, Mr. Phillips?
441
00:27:13,164 --> 00:27:16,964
Hi, I'm Jason Moss.
I'm a student at the university.
442
00:27:17,002 --> 00:27:19,994
- I'm doing a paper about John Gacy...
- Not interested.
443
00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:22,404
Whoa whoa, hey hey!
Just hear me out.
444
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,408
Get the fuck out of here.
445
00:27:29,981 --> 00:27:33,417
I'll just take up five minutes
of your time, I promise.
446
00:27:35,353 --> 00:27:37,446
Come on, you know him
a lot better than I do.
447
00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,548
I just want to figure out
how he operates.
448
00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:42,219
What part of "Get the fuck out of here"
don't you get?
449
00:27:43,228 --> 00:27:46,322
Look, I wrote him, okay?
And he wrote me back.
450
00:27:46,364 --> 00:27:49,856
Look.
He's very interested in me.
451
00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:51,869
Yeah, of course he's interested.
452
00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:53,894
Listen listen, I didn't mean
to make you feel uncomfortable.
453
00:27:53,938 --> 00:27:55,735
I just... you know, I thought
you could help me figure out
454
00:27:55,774 --> 00:27:57,435
who I'm really dealing with here.
455
00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:01,606
I hope you never find out.
456
00:28:02,914 --> 00:28:04,905
(sighs)
457
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,151
(phone ringing)
458
00:28:19,898 --> 00:28:21,695
Hello?
459
00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:23,792
Operator: I have a collect call
from inmate John Gacy
460
00:28:23,835 --> 00:28:26,963
from the Menard Correctional Center.
Will you accept the charges?
461
00:28:28,907 --> 00:28:32,399
Yes yes.
Uh, yes, Operator, I accept.
462
00:28:32,444 --> 00:28:34,810
Operator:
Go ahead, sir.
463
00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:36,837
Gacy:
What's up, buddy?
464
00:28:37,949 --> 00:28:39,678
Hey.
465
00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:43,084
Wait.
466
00:28:43,121 --> 00:28:45,988
How did you get my number?
It's not listed.
467
00:28:46,024 --> 00:28:50,017
I told you I got friends
in high places.
468
00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:52,859
What's the matter?
You don't like surprises, Jason?
469
00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:55,627
No.
470
00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:57,396
Uh...
471
00:28:57,435 --> 00:28:59,300
Gacy:
So what are you doing right now?
472
00:28:59,337 --> 00:29:02,238
I'm just sitting around watching TV.
473
00:29:03,808 --> 00:29:06,242
Well, I was...
I was sleeping.
474
00:29:06,277 --> 00:29:08,871
Oh, the time difference,
that's right.
475
00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:13,247
Sorry about that.
I don't really sleep too much.
476
00:29:13,284 --> 00:29:16,412
Jason:
No no, no problem.
477
00:29:16,454 --> 00:29:19,787
So what were you doing?
Out late banging your girlfriend?
478
00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:21,917
Uh, no.
479
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,258
I told you, John,
I don't have a girlfriend.
480
00:29:24,295 --> 00:29:27,958
That's right. That's right.
481
00:29:33,204 --> 00:29:35,900
(laughs)
482
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:38,238
I can't believe I'm actually
talking to you right now.
483
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:40,744
I know this must
be awkward for you,
484
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,714
but just try to relax, you know?
485
00:29:43,748 --> 00:29:47,309
Tell me about your day.
How's school?
486
00:29:47,352 --> 00:29:50,446
You still flunking out?
Don't feel bad.
487
00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:53,286
I was never much
of a student myself.
488
00:29:53,324 --> 00:29:55,724
My teachers were all assholes.
489
00:30:03,234 --> 00:30:06,499
You asked about a sense of power.
490
00:30:06,538 --> 00:30:10,269
Now I think everybody feels
that when having sex.
491
00:30:11,609 --> 00:30:15,375
The power to get somebody off
with your tongue is wild.
492
00:30:16,881 --> 00:30:19,679
I could even see doing that
to you and having fun.
493
00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:29,121
Holy shit, John,
it's almost 7:00.
494
00:30:30,195 --> 00:30:32,663
Shit, my parents are gonna kill me
when they get this phone bill.
495
00:30:32,697 --> 00:30:36,360
Don't worry about that, buddy.
I'll send you money for the calls.
496
00:30:36,401 --> 00:30:38,494
Jason: Wow, that'd be great.
Thank you.
497
00:30:38,536 --> 00:30:41,198
I've got your back, bud. Hmm?
498
00:30:41,239 --> 00:30:44,037
I know money's tight
for you now.
499
00:30:44,075 --> 00:30:46,475
Yeah, it is.
500
00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:50,311
You should think about going out
hustling like we were talking about.
501
00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:53,317
A pretty boy like you
would make a lot of money.
502
00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:55,080
Jason:
Yeah, probably.
503
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,883
Well, do it.
Talk is cheap, man.
504
00:30:57,922 --> 00:31:00,117
Why don't you go out tonight?
505
00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:03,992
Okay.
Okay, I will.
506
00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:06,861
- Yeah?
- That's a good idea.
507
00:31:06,898 --> 00:31:11,028
I'll give you a call tomorrow at 4:00.
You can tell me all about it.
508
00:31:12,403 --> 00:31:14,963
- And Jason?
- Yeah?
509
00:31:15,006 --> 00:31:18,908
I want to hear every last detail.
510
00:31:18,943 --> 00:31:21,104
Okay.
511
00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:25,979
Bye, John.
512
00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:36,253
Jason,
513
00:31:36,294 --> 00:31:40,594
you are a fucking genius.
514
00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:44,035
(laughs)
515
00:31:53,678 --> 00:31:57,079
Gacy: If you're hustling on the street,
location is crucial.
516
00:31:57,115 --> 00:32:00,084
Don't pick an area that's too busy.
And watch out for the cops,
517
00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:01,915
those fuckers.
518
00:32:01,953 --> 00:32:03,352
Wear something nice,
519
00:32:03,388 --> 00:32:07,324
like a pair of cut-off shorts
to show off your sweet ass.
520
00:32:07,358 --> 00:32:10,384
And you want to walk in a way
to attract attention.
521
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:13,454
Be sexy.
Try working your hips.
522
00:32:13,498 --> 00:32:16,490
And when you approach buyers,
remember to be flexible.
523
00:32:16,534 --> 00:32:19,367
They've got the money
so they're in control.
524
00:32:19,404 --> 00:32:23,135
And they're gonna want to do it all...
fuck you in the ass, the mouth;
525
00:32:23,174 --> 00:32:25,472
want you to fuck
and suck them... all of it.
526
00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:29,606
You're there to provide a service.
It's nothing personal.
527
00:32:29,647 --> 00:32:32,013
But make sure you
get paid upfront.
528
00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:34,518
There's a lot of fucked-up people
out there in the world
529
00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:36,713
that are gonna want
to take advantage of you,
530
00:32:36,754 --> 00:32:40,019
so always watch your back.
531
00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:49,860
Excuse me?
532
00:32:51,069 --> 00:32:53,731
Well, look what
the cat dragged in.
533
00:32:53,771 --> 00:32:55,500
Meow.
534
00:32:57,475 --> 00:32:59,966
Um, I was just wondering if l...
535
00:33:00,011 --> 00:33:02,878
- Oh, and he's shy too.
- (all laughing)
536
00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:05,747
What's your name, kitty cat?
537
00:33:05,783 --> 00:33:08,809
It's Ja... Jack.
538
00:33:08,853 --> 00:33:11,481
(laughs) Cute.
539
00:33:11,522 --> 00:33:13,922
So?
540
00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:21,696
So how do you want it?
541
00:33:21,733 --> 00:33:25,669
No, actually, I was wondering
if I could pay you
542
00:33:25,703 --> 00:33:28,035
just to talk to me.
543
00:33:28,072 --> 00:33:29,972
No, see, I'm a student.
I'm trying to write a paper...
544
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,669
- Oh, hell no.
- Wait wait wait, hey hey.
545
00:33:31,709 --> 00:33:33,267
- Wait wait.
- You a pig?
546
00:33:33,311 --> 00:33:36,872
No no, I'm not.
I just want to ask you some questions.
547
00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:39,212
Okay?
I have money. I can pay you.
548
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:41,184
Look.
549
00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,458
Come on, "Ja... Jack."
550
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,264
I know the perfect place.
551
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:09,674
(techno playing)
552
00:34:44,982 --> 00:34:49,248
So is this... is this where you take
most of your customers?
553
00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:54,119
Hey, this is my special friend.
554
00:34:54,158 --> 00:34:56,353
Get him a drink.
555
00:34:59,163 --> 00:35:02,132
So tell... tell me about
your approach.
556
00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,566
Like what kind of language
do you use?
557
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:10,707
You know, the terms you use
for describing your various services.
558
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,783
Drink up.
559
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:29,753
Ahem.
560
00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:32,354
Like what do guys
usually ask for?
561
00:35:34,966 --> 00:35:38,868
Most guys just want a blow job
or they just want to be the top man.
562
00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:41,098
Sorry, what? "The top man"?
563
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,472
You really don't get out much,
do you, kid?
564
00:35:44,509 --> 00:35:49,344
That's where they get
to do me from behind.
565
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:51,405
That costs the most.
566
00:35:51,449 --> 00:35:54,316
I get it all though... everything from
guys paying to suck my dick
567
00:35:54,352 --> 00:35:56,843
to me fucking them up the ass.
568
00:36:01,626 --> 00:36:04,060
Anyone ever try to hurt you?
569
00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:11,528
I was sucking some guy off
when he put a knife to my throat.
570
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:16,165
I tried to finish him off and get out of there,
but he fucking cut me anyway.
571
00:36:18,943 --> 00:36:21,070
Was he trying to kill you?
572
00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:24,673
This is fucking boring me, all right?
573
00:36:24,715 --> 00:36:28,913
Finish your drink.
I want you to meet a friend of mine.
574
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:55,570
(distorted)
I want you to meet a friend of mine.
575
00:36:55,613 --> 00:37:00,016
This is my special friend.
Trust me. Go ahead.
576
00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:02,144
Trust me.
577
00:37:04,188 --> 00:37:06,588
(groaning)
578
00:37:30,681 --> 00:37:32,842
(screaming)
579
00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:37,484
(Gacy's voice echoes)
Jason.
580
00:37:40,891 --> 00:37:43,086
(coughing)
581
00:37:47,164 --> 00:37:48,927
Oh God.
582
00:37:58,476 --> 00:38:00,444
(starts engine)
583
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:15,151
(knock on door)
584
00:38:18,763 --> 00:38:20,628
Hey.
585
00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:23,190
You okay?
586
00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,692
You didn't show up at class. You haven't
missed class since third grade.
587
00:38:26,737 --> 00:38:29,467
Yeah, I was just feeling a little tired.
588
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,508
Hey, come here.
589
00:38:40,718 --> 00:38:43,118
Give me your hand.
590
00:38:48,859 --> 00:38:51,089
Come here, sit down.
591
00:39:02,606 --> 00:39:05,268
You know, Jason,
592
00:39:05,309 --> 00:39:07,903
I don't think
this Gacy thing is healthy.
593
00:39:09,947 --> 00:39:12,142
You know... oh God.
594
00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:15,448
Listen, if you're here to lecture me,
I'm just not in the mood for it.
595
00:39:15,486 --> 00:39:18,455
No, I don't want to lecture you.
I'm concerned about you, Jason.
596
00:39:18,489 --> 00:39:21,458
You haven't been the same
since you started writing to this guy.
597
00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:24,984
I just don't have the strength
for this right now. Can we do it later?
598
00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:26,860
- No, you keep putting me off.
- Yeah.
599
00:39:26,897 --> 00:39:28,922
I want to know what's going on with you.
This isn't fair.
600
00:39:28,966 --> 00:39:32,732
I just... I'm feeling... I'm feeling like
I might throw up.
601
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:34,897
I'm feeling really sick, so...
602
00:39:34,939 --> 00:39:39,535
- maybe if... if you could just go?
- (phone ringing)
603
00:39:39,577 --> 00:39:42,444
If you could just go,
we'll talk about it later, okay?
604
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,744
- Fine.
- Thank you.
605
00:39:44,782 --> 00:39:47,307
- I hope you feel better.
- Okay, thanks.
606
00:39:50,087 --> 00:39:52,612
- Hello?
- Operator: You have a collect call
607
00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:55,853
from inmate John Gacy from
the Menard Correctional Center.
608
00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:57,690
Will you accept the charges?
609
00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:00,720
- Yes yes, I accept the call.
- Thank you.
610
00:40:00,765 --> 00:40:02,892
- Hey, pal.
- Hey.
611
00:40:02,933 --> 00:40:04,662
So how'd it go last night?
612
00:40:04,702 --> 00:40:07,967
Uh, not good, John.
613
00:40:08,005 --> 00:40:10,200
What happened?
614
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,903
Well, I picked this guy up
on the street, right?
615
00:40:12,943 --> 00:40:15,673
And we went to the club,
we had a drink.
616
00:40:15,713 --> 00:40:19,046
He offered me $200
to be his top man.
617
00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:21,108
But when I stood up,
618
00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:24,610
I realized that
that fucker had drugged me.
619
00:40:24,655 --> 00:40:27,647
Oh shit.
So what'd you do then?
620
00:40:27,691 --> 00:40:29,181
I ran.
621
00:40:30,494 --> 00:40:32,724
That fuck stole my wallet too.
622
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:35,163
That pussy cock motherfucker.
623
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,497
You want me to have him
taken care of?
624
00:40:37,535 --> 00:40:39,162
What do you mean?
625
00:40:39,203 --> 00:40:42,001
I know a lot of people out there, Jason.
They'll find this cocksucker
626
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,064
and they'll cut his dick off.
627
00:40:44,108 --> 00:40:46,906
I'm very protective
of the people that I'm close to.
628
00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:49,811
No no, John,
don't worry about it.
629
00:40:49,847 --> 00:40:54,784
So why weren't you more careful
about who you picked up?
630
00:40:54,819 --> 00:40:57,379
I told you you've got
to learn to read people.
631
00:40:57,421 --> 00:41:00,754
You've got to figure them out
before they figure you out.
632
00:41:00,791 --> 00:41:04,352
You've always got to be
five steps ahead of everyone,
633
00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:07,489
so that you're the one
who maintains the control.
634
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,500
I watch people very closely when
they don't know I'm watching them.
635
00:41:13,537 --> 00:41:15,698
I try to figure out
where they're going,
636
00:41:15,739 --> 00:41:19,903
what they're thinking,
what's really going on in their mind.
637
00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:26,045
By observing their behavior,
you can learn what their weaknesses are,
638
00:41:26,083 --> 00:41:30,486
their vulnerabilities, their fears.
639
00:41:35,926 --> 00:41:40,829
And once you get into their minds,
you've got the power.
640
00:41:40,865 --> 00:41:44,801
- Jason: To do what?
- Gacy: Anything you want.
641
00:42:17,401 --> 00:42:20,666
Jason: Well, John, thank God
I've got you to talk to about these things.
642
00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:22,535
I'm learning from the best.
643
00:42:22,573 --> 00:42:24,598
Gacy:
We're a lot more alike than you think.
644
00:42:24,642 --> 00:42:29,375
I just taught you.
Now it's your turn to teach me.
645
00:42:31,448 --> 00:42:35,179
What I want to learn all about
is that little brother of yours.
646
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,016
Hey!
647
00:42:37,054 --> 00:42:39,079
Hey. (chuckles)
648
00:42:39,123 --> 00:42:41,751
- What are you doing?
- Nothing nothing.
649
00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:44,590
- What are you doing?
- I just got out of class.
650
00:42:44,628 --> 00:42:47,392
Cool.
651
00:42:47,431 --> 00:42:50,992
Listen, I'm sorry about the other day.
I was just... I was feeling out of it.
652
00:42:51,035 --> 00:42:53,799
I'm much better now though.
653
00:42:53,837 --> 00:42:55,828
Good.
654
00:42:58,309 --> 00:43:00,709
What are you doing?
Do you want to go hang out?
655
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,338
Yeah, I have to study,
but maybe you could come with me
656
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:05,177
and we could get
a movie or something after?
657
00:43:05,215 --> 00:43:07,342
Yeah yeah, that sounds good.
658
00:43:07,384 --> 00:43:09,579
- Cool.
- Okay, come on.
659
00:43:25,369 --> 00:43:29,271
(whispering) Hey.
So if opposite charges attract
660
00:43:29,306 --> 00:43:31,831
and two like charges
repel each other,
661
00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:36,369
what is the nature
of their mutual interactive force?
662
00:43:36,413 --> 00:43:39,746
What do I look like to you,
an encyclopedia?
663
00:43:39,783 --> 00:43:43,048
- Hmm?
- Jeez, somebody's cranky.
664
00:43:47,524 --> 00:43:49,287
Get out of here.
665
00:43:49,326 --> 00:43:53,285
Don't. Get out of here.
666
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:55,161
We're in a library, okay?
667
00:44:02,306 --> 00:44:04,399
What the hell are these?
668
00:44:05,843 --> 00:44:08,676
Would you give me... give 'em!
They're for my paper.
669
00:44:08,712 --> 00:44:10,873
- For your paper?
- Yes, for my... for my paper.
670
00:44:10,914 --> 00:44:14,145
I posed like this when I first sent Gacy
a letter so he'd write me back.
671
00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:16,311
I can't take any more
of this Gacy shit, Jason.
672
00:44:16,353 --> 00:44:18,821
- It's gone too far.
- Would you keep your voice down, please?
673
00:44:18,856 --> 00:44:20,824
- What is the big deal?
- What is the big deal?
674
00:44:20,858 --> 00:44:24,089
My boyfriend is posing seductively
for a serial killer in prison
675
00:44:24,128 --> 00:44:26,892
and you don't think it's a big deal?
People already think you're gay, Jason.
676
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:28,864
I don't give a shit
what people think.
677
00:44:28,899 --> 00:44:30,890
- Are you gay?
- Am I gay?
678
00:44:30,934 --> 00:44:35,098
You know what, Alyssa?
You can go to hell.
679
00:44:35,139 --> 00:44:36,663
Fuck.
680
00:45:07,104 --> 00:45:10,198
(video game beeping)
681
00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:17,908
- Hey.
- Hey.
682
00:45:20,918 --> 00:45:23,580
You wanted to borrow this, right?
683
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:27,249
- Oh yeah. Thanks.
- Yeah, no problem.
684
00:45:27,291 --> 00:45:29,156
(laughs)
685
00:45:34,431 --> 00:45:37,332
So l...
686
00:45:37,367 --> 00:45:39,892
Gacy was asking about you.
687
00:45:39,937 --> 00:45:41,370
- Gacy?
- Yeah.
688
00:45:41,405 --> 00:45:43,236
- Why me?
- I don't know. I don't know.
689
00:45:43,273 --> 00:45:45,764
I'm still trying to figure it out.
690
00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:49,677
- But well, he wants to talk to you.
- I'm not talking to a killer.
691
00:45:49,713 --> 00:45:52,181
I know.
692
00:45:52,216 --> 00:45:54,810
Look, I think I can get around it
if he just gets a letter from you.
693
00:45:54,852 --> 00:45:57,582
I'm not writing him a letter either.
694
00:45:57,621 --> 00:45:59,521
I'll write the letter.
695
00:45:59,556 --> 00:46:03,185
Okay? All you have to do is
just copy it in your handwriting.
696
00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:05,127
Why do I have to get
dragged into your shit?
697
00:46:05,162 --> 00:46:08,359
Come on, Alex man.
My plan is working here, okay?
698
00:46:08,398 --> 00:46:10,866
I'm getting him to open up and give me
a lot of really good information.
699
00:46:10,901 --> 00:46:13,096
I don't want to lose him now.
700
00:46:14,705 --> 00:46:18,471
Alex, please, man, just...
just this one time, okay?
701
00:46:24,047 --> 00:46:26,447
Come on.
702
00:46:26,483 --> 00:46:28,644
Please?
703
00:46:28,685 --> 00:46:32,519
Alex, just this once, okay?
704
00:46:32,556 --> 00:46:35,047
Fine.
705
00:46:35,092 --> 00:46:37,390
Yeah?
706
00:46:37,427 --> 00:46:39,554
Thank you.
707
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:51,498
Jason: Dear John, I am
so fucking pissed off right now.
708
00:46:51,542 --> 00:46:54,875
My father beat my ass again last night.
I fucking hate him.
709
00:46:54,912 --> 00:46:58,313
I'm so sick of feeling this way.
I can't trust anyone.
710
00:46:58,348 --> 00:47:00,373
I'm not sure I even want
to live anymore.
711
00:47:00,417 --> 00:47:03,011
What would you do
if someone beat your ass?
712
00:47:03,053 --> 00:47:06,887
Gacy: I've thought many times
about killing myself,
713
00:47:06,924 --> 00:47:10,724
but the Bible preaches against
taking your own life.
714
00:47:10,761 --> 00:47:15,198
Then again,
sometimes it's the right thing to do.
715
00:47:15,232 --> 00:47:18,531
Jason, your life will hit
rock bottom some day.
716
00:47:18,569 --> 00:47:22,232
And when the time is right, you'll know
what to do and how to do it.
717
00:47:22,272 --> 00:47:24,536
But don't worry, Jason.
718
00:47:24,575 --> 00:47:28,944
I'm here for you.
I'm your friend,
719
00:47:28,979 --> 00:47:31,413
your only friend right now.
720
00:47:31,448 --> 00:47:35,043
~ Fall on your knees ~
721
00:47:35,085 --> 00:47:38,851
~ O, hear the ~
722
00:47:38,889 --> 00:47:42,916
~ Angels' voices ~
723
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,021
~ O night ~
724
00:47:47,064 --> 00:47:49,931
~ Divine... ~
725
00:48:36,146 --> 00:48:38,410
Gacy:
It's kind of tough around here.
726
00:48:38,448 --> 00:48:41,747
A guy can't even get off in peace.
727
00:48:41,785 --> 00:48:45,118
I got 24-hour whack-off patrol
up my ass.
728
00:48:45,155 --> 00:48:47,020
(laughs)
729
00:48:47,057 --> 00:48:49,685
So listen, John...
730
00:48:52,829 --> 00:48:55,559
can I ask you something?
731
00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:59,630
Do you feel any remorse
for killing all those boys?
732
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:02,332
Jason, I never killed anyone.
733
00:49:03,407 --> 00:49:06,774
Look, I took three
and a half hours of truth serum
734
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:11,611
and they found that I had no knowledge
whatsoever of the crimes.
735
00:49:11,648 --> 00:49:15,209
Yeah yeah, but would you
feel bad if you did?
736
00:49:15,252 --> 00:49:17,447
Gacy:
Why would I feel bad?
737
00:49:17,487 --> 00:49:20,581
Those hustling bitches got
what they deserved.
738
00:49:20,624 --> 00:49:24,890
Nobody asked them to go out there
on the streets selling their asses.
739
00:49:24,928 --> 00:49:28,591
They were just begging to be killed
and that's exactly what they got.
740
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:32,227
No, but they weren't
all prostitutes, John.
741
00:49:32,269 --> 00:49:34,601
There were other kids too.
742
00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:37,801
Gacy: What kids?
I don't know what you're talking about.
743
00:49:39,042 --> 00:49:41,977
How did you lure them
into your house?
744
00:49:42,012 --> 00:49:44,276
What was your method?
745
00:49:44,314 --> 00:49:47,511
Gacy: You can get anyone
to do anything you want
746
00:49:47,551 --> 00:49:50,577
if you play on their fear.
747
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:53,521
And the feeling of energy
you get from someone's fear
748
00:49:53,557 --> 00:49:56,720
is unlike anything
you could ever imagine.
749
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,558
Tell me about that.
750
00:50:01,698 --> 00:50:06,226
I don't want to talk
about all this negative bullshit.
751
00:50:06,269 --> 00:50:10,706
What I want to talk about is that skimpy
letter your brother Alex sent me.
752
00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:13,039
I thought you told him
that I wanted more details.
753
00:50:13,076 --> 00:50:16,170
I did, I did, John.
But he... you know, he's stubborn.
754
00:50:16,213 --> 00:50:18,374
I can't control him.
He does whatever he wants.
755
00:50:18,415 --> 00:50:19,973
Gacy:
Oh really?
756
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,611
Well, you said to me,
and I quote:
757
00:50:22,652 --> 00:50:25,553
"My brother looks up to me
like I'm a hero.
758
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:29,616
When I tell him to jump,
he says, 'How high?"'
759
00:50:33,697 --> 00:50:36,257
Well, he hasn't been
in the best of moods lately, John.
760
00:50:36,299 --> 00:50:38,961
He keeps getting his ass kicked every day,
so just cut the kid some slack.
761
00:50:39,002 --> 00:50:41,493
What the fuck is
he getting his ass kicked for?
762
00:50:41,538 --> 00:50:43,005
What is he, some kind of a pussy?
763
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,304
No, he... no, he's not a pussy.
764
00:50:45,342 --> 00:50:49,642
He just... the other kids are
a lot bigger than him.
765
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:53,638
Oh, fuck that.
You need to jump in there, Jason.
766
00:50:53,683 --> 00:50:55,514
You need to be a fucking man.
767
00:50:55,552 --> 00:50:59,750
You get a 2x4 and you crack
this cocksucker's head open if you have to.
768
00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:03,658
You don't want people saying that the Moss
brothers are a bunch of pussies, do you?
769
00:51:03,693 --> 00:51:06,594
No no, of course not.
770
00:51:08,065 --> 00:51:10,829
Oh, Jason,
771
00:51:10,867 --> 00:51:12,664
you and I are a lot alike.
772
00:51:12,702 --> 00:51:14,533
(Gacy chuckles)
773
00:51:14,571 --> 00:51:19,531
But your brother Alex...
now he's not as strong as us, you know.
774
00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:23,068
So he needs
to be led by example.
775
00:51:23,113 --> 00:51:26,480
And the same thing applies
to the bedroom.
776
00:51:28,618 --> 00:51:30,745
You know?
777
00:51:30,787 --> 00:51:34,450
I've been giving this
a lot of thought lately:
778
00:51:34,491 --> 00:51:37,051
You know, you two,
779
00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:41,724
you can get each other off
just as well as anybody else can.
780
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,300
You know, your brother,
he's in a bad mood
781
00:51:46,336 --> 00:51:48,804
'cause he obviously isn't getting any.
782
00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:53,538
Don't you see what a waste that is?
783
00:51:57,747 --> 00:52:00,443
Nobody would ever have to know.
784
00:52:01,485 --> 00:52:03,646
All you gotta do
785
00:52:03,687 --> 00:52:08,647
is slip into his bed one night and start
rasslin' with him till you get him hard.
786
00:52:10,694 --> 00:52:15,222
And then you let your head
drift down into his crotch,
787
00:52:15,265 --> 00:52:17,825
and then you put it in your mouth.
788
00:52:18,902 --> 00:52:21,530
And then he'll resist
789
00:52:21,571 --> 00:52:24,233
and he'll fight at first.
790
00:52:24,274 --> 00:52:27,710
But after awhile, he'll get into it
791
00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:30,144
and he'll let you finish the job.
792
00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:33,707
You know what, John?
My mom's coming. I gotta go.
793
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:55,298
(phone rings)
794
00:53:06,116 --> 00:53:07,913
Fuck.
795
00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:13,345
(machine picks up)
796
00:53:13,390 --> 00:53:16,553
- This is Jason. Leave a message.
- (machine beeps)
797
00:53:16,593 --> 00:53:18,720
Operator: I'm sorry, sir,
there's no one available at this number.
798
00:53:18,762 --> 00:53:20,821
Please try your call again later.
799
00:53:31,007 --> 00:53:33,271
(touchtones)
800
00:53:34,678 --> 00:53:37,476
(phone ringing)
801
00:53:42,586 --> 00:53:45,077
(ringing continues)
802
00:53:58,401 --> 00:54:01,336
(rain dripping)
803
00:54:14,217 --> 00:54:15,946
Professor Harris:
All right, that's it, people.
804
00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:18,819
Don't forget the due date
of your term paper is coming up
805
00:54:18,855 --> 00:54:22,814
and I am expecting
nothing short of brilliance.
806
00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:25,157
Goodbye.
807
00:54:25,195 --> 00:54:27,493
Jason?
808
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:29,395
Can I see you for a minute?
809
00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:47,310
So what's up?
810
00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:52,219
You're missing class. And when you are
in class, you don't ask any questions,
811
00:54:52,255 --> 00:54:54,120
not that I miss that.
812
00:54:55,825 --> 00:54:59,192
I think maybe you got involved
with something that...
813
00:54:59,229 --> 00:55:03,996
You're not my father, okay?
I get enough of this shit from my parents.
814
00:55:04,034 --> 00:55:06,867
You're gonna get your precious
term paper, but in the meantime,
815
00:55:06,903 --> 00:55:09,770
just get off my back about it.
816
00:55:14,744 --> 00:55:16,644
(phone ringing)
817
00:55:32,262 --> 00:55:34,958
(ringing continues)
818
00:55:36,933 --> 00:55:38,696
- (beeps)
- What?
819
00:55:38,735 --> 00:55:40,760
Operator: You have a collect call
from inmate John Gacy
820
00:55:40,804 --> 00:55:44,467
from the Menard Correctional Center.
Will you accept the charges?
821
00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:47,442
- Yeah, I accept.
- Thank you.
822
00:55:47,477 --> 00:55:50,071
Jason, where the hell have you been?
I've been calling you for days.
823
00:55:50,113 --> 00:55:53,048
Well, I've been busy, John. Okay?
I have a life, you know?
824
00:55:53,083 --> 00:55:54,812
What did you do?
You find someone else?
825
00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:57,319
- What are you talking about?
- What are you, writing to another inmate?
826
00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:58,844
What, I'm not good enough
for you anymore?
827
00:55:58,888 --> 00:56:00,719
John, John, it's not like that, okay?
828
00:56:00,757 --> 00:56:04,022
You think you can just ignore me?
That's not how it works.
829
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:07,052
You don't play both ends against
the middle with me, you little shit.
830
00:56:07,097 --> 00:56:09,531
- I won't tolerate it!
- Hey hey hey, John,
831
00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:10,999
just calm down.
832
00:56:11,034 --> 00:56:14,401
Do you have any idea who I am
and what I'm capable of?
833
00:56:14,437 --> 00:56:17,463
Because I know who you are
and where you live.
834
00:56:17,507 --> 00:56:20,374
For all you know, I could have
somebody sitting outside right now
835
00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:22,571
watching you and your family.
836
00:56:24,647 --> 00:56:26,012
What are you talking about?
837
00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:28,108
Gacy: You know exactly what
I'm talking about.
838
00:56:28,151 --> 00:56:30,449
Don't play me, Jason.
839
00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:32,580
Remember who I am.
840
00:56:32,622 --> 00:56:35,113
How could I forget?
841
00:56:35,158 --> 00:56:37,285
And don't go taking your friendship
away from me
842
00:56:37,327 --> 00:56:40,125
and I won't have to take something
away from you, you got it?
843
00:56:40,163 --> 00:56:42,927
Yeah, I got it.
844
00:56:42,966 --> 00:56:45,196
Remember who I am.
845
00:56:45,235 --> 00:56:49,296
Always remember who I am.
846
00:56:51,107 --> 00:56:52,472
Fuck.
847
00:56:54,377 --> 00:56:56,436
Fuck!
848
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:16,262
Fuck.
849
00:57:22,005 --> 00:57:25,463
Jason: Oh, you think you scare me, huh?
You think you scare me?
850
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,136
Huh? Well, I got you, you fuck.
851
00:57:33,716 --> 00:57:37,311
FBI!
On the fucking ground.
852
00:57:37,353 --> 00:57:41,255
Put your fucking hands up!
On the ground!
853
00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:43,589
- (knock on door)
- Who are you talking to?
854
00:57:43,626 --> 00:57:44,991
No one.
855
00:57:45,028 --> 00:57:48,054
Why isn't the car washed? I asked you to
wash the car before we left for Grandma's.
856
00:57:48,097 --> 00:57:50,964
- I am not going to Grandma's.
- What do you mean, you're not going?
857
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,458
It means I'm not going!
858
00:57:55,505 --> 00:57:59,271
Look, I just have a lot of important things
on my plate right now.
859
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:02,073
I can't be worried about going
to Grandma's house.
860
00:58:02,111 --> 00:58:03,772
- Oh really?
- Yeah.
861
00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:05,906
Well, then maybe your father
and I should stop worrying
862
00:58:05,949 --> 00:58:08,884
about paying the bills around here
and you can start fending for yourself.
863
00:58:08,918 --> 00:58:11,443
Yeah, maybe you should.
864
00:58:21,197 --> 00:58:23,062
Fuck.
865
00:58:33,243 --> 00:58:35,234
Hey, where are you going
in such a hurry, faggot?
866
00:58:35,278 --> 00:58:36,973
- None of your business.
- Huh?
867
00:58:44,654 --> 00:58:47,122
- Fuck off, Marcus.
- Come on, man.
868
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:52,023
Get the fuck out of my face.
869
00:58:54,430 --> 00:58:56,762
Oh, you're fucking dead.
870
00:58:58,468 --> 00:59:01,699
- Man: Hey hey!
- Jason, what the heck?
871
00:59:01,738 --> 00:59:04,298
Jason, that's enough!
872
00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:05,864
Stop!
873
00:59:05,909 --> 00:59:07,467
Stop it, let's go!
874
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:10,741
- Hey! Hey, you two!
- Alex: Come on.
875
00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:12,213
Ah!
876
00:59:39,342 --> 00:59:42,607
Hey, Jason.
877
00:59:42,645 --> 00:59:44,340
Jason?
878
00:59:46,316 --> 00:59:48,750
- What's with him?
- What else is new?
879
00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:50,252
Where have you guys been?
880
00:59:50,286 --> 00:59:52,083
You know I wanted
to leave before it gets too dark.
881
00:59:52,121 --> 00:59:54,180
We got held up.
Why does he get to stay?
882
00:59:54,223 --> 00:59:57,090
Because your brother's going through
some teenage life crisis.
883
00:59:57,126 --> 00:59:59,390
Go get your bag.
Let's go.
884
00:59:59,429 --> 01:00:01,659
Sure, let's just worry
about psycho Jason.
885
01:00:01,698 --> 01:00:04,258
Go get your bag.
886
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:05,892
Go!
887
01:00:19,782 --> 01:00:21,977
(phone ringing)
888
01:00:24,988 --> 01:00:26,421
Hello?
889
01:00:28,091 --> 01:00:30,059
Hello?
890
01:00:31,194 --> 01:00:32,718
Hello?
891
01:01:31,788 --> 01:01:34,052
(doorbell rings)
892
01:01:51,974 --> 01:01:53,339
Jesus!
893
01:01:55,945 --> 01:01:58,607
What are you doing here?
894
01:02:01,784 --> 01:02:04,252
What are you doing with a gun?
895
01:02:07,123 --> 01:02:09,591
Well, there's been
a bunch of break-ins,
896
01:02:09,625 --> 01:02:13,356
so we... we got it
to protect ourselves.
897
01:02:14,797 --> 01:02:16,662
Oh.
898
01:02:19,402 --> 01:02:21,962
Hey, do you want
to come in for a second?
899
01:02:24,273 --> 01:02:27,834
I mean, as long as you're here,
you know?
900
01:02:30,046 --> 01:02:33,345
Okay, just for a second.
901
01:02:39,522 --> 01:02:41,615
(Jason laughs)
902
01:02:56,072 --> 01:02:58,006
(phone ringing)
903
01:03:02,678 --> 01:03:03,804
Hello?
904
01:03:03,846 --> 01:03:05,541
Operator: I have a collect call
from inmate John Gacy.
905
01:03:05,581 --> 01:03:06,775
Yes, I accept.
906
01:03:06,816 --> 01:03:08,875
- Are you fucking kidding me?
- Operator: Go ahead, sir.
907
01:03:08,918 --> 01:03:13,378
(crying)
Jason, they denied my appeal.
908
01:03:13,422 --> 01:03:16,220
They're gonna kill me
in six fucking days.
909
01:03:16,259 --> 01:03:18,819
My fucking piece-of-shit lawyer
said it would never happen.
910
01:03:18,861 --> 01:03:20,328
John, John, slow down.
I can't understand you.
911
01:03:20,363 --> 01:03:23,332
- No, wait, Alyssa, don't leave.
- Forget it, you made your choice.
912
01:03:23,366 --> 01:03:25,834
Jason, are you listening to me?
They're gonna kill me in six days!
913
01:03:25,868 --> 01:03:28,632
Okay, John, slow down. Alyssa!
914
01:03:28,671 --> 01:03:31,970
- Who the fuck is Alyssa?
- Jason, forget it! I'm done, okay?
915
01:03:32,008 --> 01:03:33,566
I thought you said
you didn't have a girlfriend.
916
01:03:33,609 --> 01:03:36,237
- It doesn't matter, John.
- I thought you were my friend.
917
01:03:36,279 --> 01:03:38,008
I thought I could trust you.
918
01:03:38,047 --> 01:03:40,038
Wait wait,
what are you saying, John?
919
01:03:40,082 --> 01:03:43,813
You pussy-whipped
little cocksucking piece of shit!
920
01:03:43,853 --> 01:03:45,582
John?
921
01:03:45,621 --> 01:03:47,248
(beeps)
922
01:03:47,290 --> 01:03:49,224
- Fuck!
- (clatters)
923
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,323
Fuck!
924
01:05:02,565 --> 01:05:05,898
The room is nice. I like it.
925
01:05:15,344 --> 01:05:17,505
I always close the curtains too.
926
01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:34,886
So?
927
01:05:51,614 --> 01:05:53,639
Jason: On the bed.
928
01:05:55,051 --> 01:05:57,611
How original.
929
01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:17,806
Take off your stockings.
930
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,638
(unzipping)
931
01:06:45,134 --> 01:06:47,602
How do you want it?
932
01:06:47,636 --> 01:06:50,605
Lie down on the bed...
933
01:06:54,477 --> 01:06:56,604
on your stomach.
934
01:07:01,317 --> 01:07:03,717
On your stomach.
935
01:07:23,939 --> 01:07:27,136
- What are you doing?
- Just stop talking.
936
01:07:27,176 --> 01:07:29,736
I'm not comfortable with this.
937
01:07:29,779 --> 01:07:32,839
- Just stay still.
- Motherfucker, let me go!
938
01:07:32,882 --> 01:07:34,611
- Shut up, shut up.
- Stop it!
939
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:36,709
Someone... no! No!
940
01:07:36,752 --> 01:07:38,811
- What are you fucking doing, huh?
- Stop!
941
01:07:38,854 --> 01:07:40,754
What are you doing?
Just shut up.
942
01:07:40,790 --> 01:07:43,816
- (screams)
- Shut up. Shut up.
943
01:07:43,859 --> 01:07:46,623
Shut the fuck up!
944
01:07:46,662 --> 01:07:49,460
- (crying)
- Shut up.
945
01:08:04,180 --> 01:08:06,171
(sobbing)
946
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:30,570
Gacy: Jason, there's a lot I want
to get off my chest before I die,
947
01:08:30,606 --> 01:08:33,837
and you're the only one I can trust.
948
01:08:33,876 --> 01:08:35,503
Yeah?
Like what, John?
949
01:08:35,544 --> 01:08:37,842
I can't tell you over the phone.
950
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,280
I need to see you in person.
951
01:08:40,316 --> 01:08:43,308
I'll even let you see
my top-secret files.
952
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,250
And don't worry,
I'll pay for the whole trip.
953
01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:48,847
It'll be fun.
954
01:08:50,025 --> 01:08:54,860
It's perfectly safe too.
I mean, there's cameras and guards.
955
01:08:54,897 --> 01:08:57,832
I can even have
the warden call you if you want.
956
01:08:57,867 --> 01:09:01,325
- The warden?
- Yeah, he can tell you how safe it is.
957
01:09:01,370 --> 01:09:05,363
I already spoke to him. He said that
he would be pleased to talk to you.
958
01:09:05,407 --> 01:09:08,638
Would you like me
to have him give you a call?
959
01:09:08,677 --> 01:09:10,838
Sure.
960
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,871
Great.
961
01:09:12,915 --> 01:09:16,612
I look so forward
to meeting you, Jason.
962
01:09:18,954 --> 01:09:21,855
- (pounding on door)
- Jason: Hello?
963
01:09:21,891 --> 01:09:25,122
Open up, please!
I need to talk to you.
964
01:09:28,597 --> 01:09:30,656
(pounding)
965
01:09:30,699 --> 01:09:34,601
Look, Gacy is gonna be executed, Glen.
I need to talk to you.
966
01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:41,268
He wants me to come visit him.
967
01:09:45,648 --> 01:09:47,377
Aw, fuck.
968
01:09:56,559 --> 01:09:59,119
I'm sorry to keep bothering you.
969
01:09:59,161 --> 01:10:03,120
I know how hard this must be.
970
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:07,864
I need to figure out
who I'm really dealing with here.
971
01:10:10,005 --> 01:10:12,997
And nobody knows that
better than you do.
972
01:10:17,313 --> 01:10:19,474
So you're gonna go see him?
973
01:10:22,184 --> 01:10:24,516
I don't know.
974
01:10:26,455 --> 01:10:28,980
That's why I came here.
975
01:10:33,596 --> 01:10:36,429
You can't go there.
976
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:39,759
Why?
977
01:10:41,003 --> 01:10:43,597
Tell me what happened.
978
01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:50,136
('70s rock playing)
979
01:10:51,914 --> 01:10:53,779
You want another Scotch?
980
01:10:53,816 --> 01:10:56,546
- Glen: Yeah.
- Bottoms up.
981
01:11:00,422 --> 01:11:01,821
Boo.
982
01:11:03,158 --> 01:11:04,489
Glen:
What are you doing?
983
01:11:04,526 --> 01:11:09,190
Just clowning around, buddy.
I'm just clowning around. Oh.
984
01:11:09,231 --> 01:11:12,723
You would be surprised all the tricks
you can do when you're a clown.
985
01:11:12,768 --> 01:11:14,861
(high-pitched voice)
You want to see a magic trick?
986
01:11:14,903 --> 01:11:17,303
Here you go.
Huh? Go ahead.
987
01:11:17,339 --> 01:11:20,274
Put 'em on.
Make sure they're nice and tight.
988
01:11:20,309 --> 01:11:22,334
- Yeah.
- Ready?
989
01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:26,946
Huh?
It's your turn now.
990
01:11:26,982 --> 01:11:29,007
Go on, put 'em on.
991
01:11:30,619 --> 01:11:33,087
- Go on.
- What's the trick with these things?
992
01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:36,683
- The trick is to have the key.
- (record scratches)
993
01:11:36,725 --> 01:11:39,626
(John's voice, distorted)
994
01:11:39,662 --> 01:11:41,857
(Glen sobbing)
995
01:11:41,897 --> 01:11:44,593
I've got something real special
for you now.
996
01:11:44,633 --> 01:11:45,964
(groaning)
997
01:11:49,672 --> 01:11:53,699
I told you to shut your mouth,
you pathetic little cocksucker!
998
01:11:53,742 --> 01:11:55,107
(Glen shouts)
999
01:11:55,144 --> 01:11:56,839
(sobs)
No. No.
1000
01:11:56,879 --> 01:11:59,814
Hey hey, relax.
1001
01:11:59,848 --> 01:12:01,873
You're really gonna enjoy this.
1002
01:12:01,917 --> 01:12:06,217
No! Let me out of here.
1003
01:12:06,255 --> 01:12:07,847
Let me out!
1004
01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:10,825
(sobbing)
1005
01:12:10,859 --> 01:12:13,521
I got this specially
picked out for you.
1006
01:12:13,562 --> 01:12:15,996
- (ripping)
- Ah ah ah!
1007
01:12:18,967 --> 01:12:22,903
- Come on, step that fat ass up.
- Ah! Please.
1008
01:12:22,938 --> 01:12:26,339
(Glen screaming)
1009
01:12:26,375 --> 01:12:28,502
(mocking screams)
1010
01:12:29,745 --> 01:12:32,213
Please let me go.
1011
01:12:33,482 --> 01:12:35,177
Please.
1012
01:12:43,492 --> 01:12:45,926
I jumped from the car.
1013
01:12:48,230 --> 01:12:50,721
And I broke
seven bones in my body
1014
01:12:50,766 --> 01:12:52,893
and I didn't feel a thing.
1015
01:12:59,975 --> 01:13:04,036
I hope that this helps you
make the right decision.
1016
01:13:13,188 --> 01:13:16,988
Hello, Mr. Moss, this is Warden Michaels
from the Menard Correctional Center.
1017
01:13:17,025 --> 01:13:18,686
I understand you have
some questions for me.
1018
01:13:18,727 --> 01:13:23,164
Yeah yeah, I was thinking
about visiting John Gacy
1019
01:13:23,198 --> 01:13:25,223
and I just wanted to find out
how safe it would be.
1020
01:13:25,267 --> 01:13:28,998
Well, Mr. Moss, there are a lot of
safety precautions here at Menard.
1021
01:13:29,037 --> 01:13:32,996
Jason: Well, is he going to be
in the same room as me?
1022
01:13:33,041 --> 01:13:37,102
Warden: No, you would be in two different
rooms with a glass partition between you.
1023
01:13:37,146 --> 01:13:39,637
Mr. Gacy will have his arms
and legs shackled
1024
01:13:39,681 --> 01:13:43,811
and there's a... there's a camera
in the room where the visitor is seated
1025
01:13:43,852 --> 01:13:45,979
that is monitored at all times.
1026
01:13:46,021 --> 01:13:47,648
Jason:
And what about the guards?
1027
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:50,681
Well, there'll be a number of guards
and you'll be under constant surveillance.
1028
01:13:50,726 --> 01:13:52,887
If there are any problems,
a guard will be right there.
1029
01:13:52,928 --> 01:13:55,624
There hasn't been an incident
here at Menard in many years.
1030
01:13:55,664 --> 01:13:58,428
Security is just too tight.
You trust me...
1031
01:13:58,467 --> 01:14:01,027
you'll be completely safe.
1032
01:14:08,777 --> 01:14:10,301
- Jacket too?
- Mm-hmm.
1033
01:14:10,345 --> 01:14:12,006
Okay.
1034
01:14:19,555 --> 01:14:22,080
Step through, please.
1035
01:14:22,124 --> 01:14:24,456
(beeps)
1036
01:14:24,493 --> 01:14:27,621
Arms up and out to the side.
1037
01:14:27,663 --> 01:14:30,188
(scanner beeping)
1038
01:14:33,368 --> 01:14:36,735
- Follow me.
- (door buzzes)
1039
01:14:41,243 --> 01:14:43,507
He's all yours.
1040
01:14:45,781 --> 01:14:48,773
Sign here, here and here.
1041
01:14:49,818 --> 01:14:52,082
- What is this?
- A release form.
1042
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,678
For what?
1043
01:14:53,722 --> 01:14:56,520
It says we're not responsible.
1044
01:14:56,558 --> 01:14:57,889
Excuse me?
1045
01:14:57,926 --> 01:15:00,861
In the unlikely event hostages are
taken inside the prison,
1046
01:15:00,896 --> 01:15:03,023
we won't negotiate for your release.
1047
01:15:03,065 --> 01:15:05,898
So what you're saying is
that if someone were to take me hostage,
1048
01:15:05,934 --> 01:15:09,836
you'd let them kill me
before you did anything to save me?
1049
01:15:09,872 --> 01:15:12,841
Exactly. Sign there, please.
1050
01:15:16,445 --> 01:15:19,937
- Have a nice day.
- Mr. Moss?
1051
01:15:19,982 --> 01:15:22,678
Officer Thompson.
1052
01:15:22,718 --> 01:15:24,618
Nice to meet you.
1053
01:15:25,921 --> 01:15:28,412
Mr. Gacy is very excited
to see you today.
1054
01:15:28,457 --> 01:15:30,288
That's good.
1055
01:15:30,325 --> 01:15:32,555
Right this way.
1056
01:15:32,594 --> 01:15:35,188
(door buzzing)
1057
01:16:11,533 --> 01:16:12,932
Go ahead.
1058
01:16:12,968 --> 01:16:16,563
Jason, oh my God.
It's so nice to meet you.
1059
01:16:16,605 --> 01:16:18,129
Nice to meet you too.
1060
01:16:18,173 --> 01:16:20,368
Look at you...
you look great.
1061
01:16:20,409 --> 01:16:24,106
Hey, Stan, would you mind taking
a picture of Jason and I?
1062
01:16:24,146 --> 01:16:27,377
- Yeah. Sure, John.
- A little something for posterity.
1063
01:16:30,452 --> 01:16:33,182
Something to remember me by.
(chuckles)
1064
01:16:33,221 --> 01:16:35,849
Excuse me, guard?
1065
01:16:35,891 --> 01:16:38,985
- Where are you going?
- Have fun, boys.
1066
01:16:39,027 --> 01:16:41,495
Whoa whoa, hey hey hey!
1067
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:43,191
What are you doing?
1068
01:16:43,231 --> 01:16:45,631
Where are you gonna be
if I need you?
1069
01:16:45,667 --> 01:16:49,865
Jason, come on, relax.
Everything's okay.
1070
01:16:49,905 --> 01:16:53,773
Please make yourself at home.
Sit down.
1071
01:16:53,809 --> 01:16:57,506
I mean, seriously, sit.
It's all right.
1072
01:17:04,987 --> 01:17:08,115
Hey, can I have
the guys bring you a pop
1073
01:17:08,156 --> 01:17:10,647
or a chocolate milk
or something like that?
1074
01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:12,284
- No. No, I'm good.
- You sure?
1075
01:17:12,327 --> 01:17:14,158
Yeah.
1076
01:17:14,196 --> 01:17:16,494
God.
1077
01:17:16,531 --> 01:17:21,161
This is perfect.
I can't believe you're here.
1078
01:17:21,203 --> 01:17:24,468
I mean, look at you.
Thank you for coming.
1079
01:17:24,506 --> 01:17:26,974
You know? Seriously, bud.
1080
01:17:27,009 --> 01:17:29,807
Yeah, no problem, John.
1081
01:17:29,845 --> 01:17:31,972
You know, I just wanted
to be here for you.
1082
01:17:32,014 --> 01:17:35,916
I appreciate that, you know?
So tell me about yourself.
1083
01:17:35,951 --> 01:17:38,977
Hey, you're not out there
hustling anymore, are you?
1084
01:17:39,021 --> 01:17:41,785
- No no no, not too much anymore.
- Mmm.
1085
01:17:41,823 --> 01:17:44,849
So how's the girlfriend?
Alyssa, right?
1086
01:17:46,261 --> 01:17:50,595
Yeah yeah, she's good.
She's still there.
1087
01:17:50,632 --> 01:17:54,090
Yeah?
Giving her the old hard one?
1088
01:17:54,136 --> 01:17:56,001
(both laugh)
1089
01:17:56,038 --> 01:17:58,006
What's all this stuff?
1090
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,099
Oh, this is everything I promised you.
1091
01:18:00,142 --> 01:18:02,872
Here, check this out.
1092
01:18:02,911 --> 01:18:06,870
Got everything...
newspaper clippings,
1093
01:18:06,915 --> 01:18:11,079
notes from my trial;
I got letters from "Inside Edition,"
1094
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:14,520
channel 7,
all wanting interviews with me.
1095
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:18,684
Look at all these letters.
I get thousands of them, you know?
1096
01:18:18,727 --> 01:18:21,662
I get 'em from all kinds of people...
movie stars,
1097
01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:25,531
rock stars, porn stars,
politicians, women.
1098
01:18:25,567 --> 01:18:29,526
You know?
Here, check this one out.
1099
01:18:29,571 --> 01:18:32,062
See this trailer-park bitch?
1100
01:18:32,107 --> 01:18:35,338
She's got two sons
incarcerated right now.
1101
01:18:35,377 --> 01:18:37,777
She says she wants
to have my baby.
1102
01:18:37,813 --> 01:18:39,405
Can you imagine?
1103
01:18:39,448 --> 01:18:42,576
Why would I ever want
to get mixed up with trash like this?
1104
01:18:42,617 --> 01:18:45,484
(both laugh)
1105
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,216
Wait, it gets better. Here.
1106
01:18:48,256 --> 01:18:50,156
This is her sister.
1107
01:18:50,192 --> 01:18:53,491
They've offered to give me
the classic m๏ฟฝnage ๏ฟฝ trois.
1108
01:18:53,528 --> 01:18:57,692
Can you imagine? Between the three of us,
all this blubber moving around?
1109
01:18:57,733 --> 01:19:00,429
(both laughing)
1110
01:19:00,469 --> 01:19:02,403
You look good.
1111
01:19:05,173 --> 01:19:07,334
Really.
1112
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:14,944
(door buzzing)
1113
01:19:17,486 --> 01:19:19,317
This food's not so bad.
1114
01:19:19,354 --> 01:19:22,414
The fellas treat me pretty good
around here. Isn't that right, Stan?
1115
01:19:22,457 --> 01:19:24,288
You got it, boss.
1116
01:19:28,997 --> 01:19:31,192
- Jason?
- (door closes)
1117
01:19:31,233 --> 01:19:34,828
I ordered this dessert especially for you.
It's my favorite...
1118
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:37,100
strawberry shortcake.
1119
01:19:37,139 --> 01:19:39,437
I'm full, John.
Thanks though.
1120
01:19:42,577 --> 01:19:45,011
So John, you know how at your trial,
1121
01:19:45,046 --> 01:19:47,514
you said that you didn't kill
all those boys under your house
1122
01:19:47,549 --> 01:19:50,382
and someone else must have done it?
1123
01:19:50,418 --> 01:19:52,818
I want to try to find
that one statement.
1124
01:19:55,991 --> 01:20:00,826
I mean, who do you think did it,
John, if it wasn't you?
1125
01:20:02,731 --> 01:20:07,532
Do you have any idea
how weak you are?
1126
01:20:09,304 --> 01:20:12,796
I could just tell you
to fuck off right now...
1127
01:20:14,442 --> 01:20:17,104
and you'd have no one.
1128
01:20:20,115 --> 01:20:23,141
What would you do without me?
1129
01:20:23,185 --> 01:20:25,710
I don't know, John.
1130
01:20:27,122 --> 01:20:30,614
Where would you be without me?
1131
01:20:30,659 --> 01:20:33,560
You know, if I was a bad guy,
1132
01:20:33,595 --> 01:20:37,031
I'd tell the police
what you do with your brother,
1133
01:20:37,065 --> 01:20:40,296
they would take him away
and you would go to jail.
1134
01:20:40,335 --> 01:20:43,429
Yeah, but you wouldn't
do that to me, right? Hmm?
1135
01:20:45,674 --> 01:20:48,700
I didn't say I would do it.
1136
01:20:49,744 --> 01:20:53,942
Just remember who I am.
1137
01:20:55,383 --> 01:20:58,284
I know who you are.
1138
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,881
John, we're buddies, right?
1139
01:21:01,923 --> 01:21:04,153
That's right.
1140
01:21:06,261 --> 01:21:08,161
That's right.
1141
01:21:10,098 --> 01:21:12,396
So...
1142
01:21:12,434 --> 01:21:16,234
tell me, did you
have a smooth flight?
1143
01:21:16,271 --> 01:21:19,672
Yeah yeah, it was fine.
There was no problems.
1144
01:21:19,708 --> 01:21:23,872
And did you get that painting
that I sent you and the travel money?
1145
01:21:23,912 --> 01:21:27,143
I did. I did. Thank you for that, John.
I really appreciate it.
1146
01:21:27,182 --> 01:21:29,616
Of course.
I've got your back, pal.
1147
01:21:32,487 --> 01:21:34,717
Yeah.
1148
01:21:37,459 --> 01:21:40,019
So, John,
1149
01:21:40,061 --> 01:21:42,791
you said you had some things
to tell me when I got here.
1150
01:21:42,831 --> 01:21:46,096
You know, some things
you wanted to get off your chest.
1151
01:21:46,134 --> 01:21:48,432
Yeah.
1152
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:52,099
Do for me and I'll do for you.
1153
01:21:55,410 --> 01:21:57,742
John, tell me about that kid
you admitted to killing.
1154
01:21:57,779 --> 01:22:02,512
Okay? The one that you picked up
at the bus stop and had sex with.
1155
01:22:03,518 --> 01:22:04,985
Oh.
1156
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:09,150
I woke up and he was standing
over me with a knife.
1157
01:22:09,190 --> 01:22:11,784
He was gonna rob
and kill me.
1158
01:22:11,826 --> 01:22:14,693
I didn't have any choice.
1159
01:22:14,729 --> 01:22:19,291
Yeah, well, if it was self-defense, John,
why didn't you just call the police?
1160
01:22:19,334 --> 01:22:22,269
Well, the son of a bitch,
he shouldn't have attacked me.
1161
01:22:22,304 --> 01:22:24,966
But he wasn't attacking you.
1162
01:22:25,006 --> 01:22:29,170
Right? I mean, wasn't he
just making your breakfast?
1163
01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:32,941
What the fuck are you
talking about?
1164
01:22:32,981 --> 01:22:37,509
You don't stand over a man
with a knife when he's sleeping.
1165
01:22:42,557 --> 01:22:45,355
So what happened
after you stabbed him?
1166
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:51,966
Nothing happened.
(chuckles)
1167
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,231
Let me tell you something, Jason:
1168
01:22:55,270 --> 01:23:00,207
You can always tell
when a man is dead
1169
01:23:00,241 --> 01:23:03,369
because he shits all over himself.
1170
01:23:04,546 --> 01:23:07,879
The little cocksucker
stunk up the place
1171
01:23:07,916 --> 01:23:10,976
so I buried him
in the crawl space.
1172
01:23:12,487 --> 01:23:16,321
How did it feel to kill that kid?
1173
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:20,260
Did you feel powerful?
1174
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:27,766
Jason, Jason,
1175
01:23:27,802 --> 01:23:32,364
you have no idea
the power you feel.
1176
01:23:34,042 --> 01:23:37,739
- How'd I feel?
- Yeah.
1177
01:23:37,779 --> 01:23:40,304
I felt fine.
1178
01:23:40,348 --> 01:23:43,112
I slept fine.
1179
01:23:46,121 --> 01:23:49,249
I am fine, aren't I?
1180
01:23:53,228 --> 01:23:55,287
Thattaboy.
1181
01:24:00,568 --> 01:24:04,368
Let me tell you something.
Do you have any idea
1182
01:24:04,406 --> 01:24:07,933
how long it would take the guards
to get here if you screamed?
1183
01:24:07,976 --> 01:24:10,740
Maybe one or two minutes.
1184
01:24:10,779 --> 01:24:13,771
I could kill you right now
if I wanted to.
1185
01:24:13,815 --> 01:24:17,581
You know that, don't you?
Huh? You know that?
1186
01:24:18,987 --> 01:24:21,353
Yeah, John.
1187
01:24:21,389 --> 01:24:24,449
But I got other plans
in mind for you.
1188
01:24:24,492 --> 01:24:26,323
(Jason groaning)
1189
01:24:26,361 --> 01:24:29,353
You see that table there? Look.
1190
01:24:30,432 --> 01:24:33,333
That's where I'm gonna do you.
1191
01:24:33,368 --> 01:24:37,566
And after I'm done, I'm gonna wrap
my hands around this throat
1192
01:24:37,605 --> 01:24:39,664
and I'm gonna squeeze
until it breaks.
1193
01:24:39,707 --> 01:24:42,870
John, John, John, why are you
talking to me like this, huh?
1194
01:24:42,911 --> 01:24:46,779
(mocking) "John, John, why are
you talking to me like this, huh?"
1195
01:24:46,815 --> 01:24:49,306
You know something, Jason?
1196
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:52,649
In person you are
really a disappointment.
1197
01:24:52,687 --> 01:24:55,451
Oh, you know what you are?
1198
01:24:55,490 --> 01:24:58,653
You're a little pussy boy, huh?
1199
01:24:58,693 --> 01:25:01,093
A little pussy boy.
1200
01:25:01,129 --> 01:25:02,960
A little
pussy boy.
1201
01:25:16,144 --> 01:25:18,203
Here you go.
1202
01:25:18,246 --> 01:25:23,013
- It's black. Where's the cream?
- Well, I forgot.
1203
01:25:23,051 --> 01:25:26,782
Check out monitor 3.
It's kissy time.
1204
01:25:26,821 --> 01:25:29,688
- (laughs)
- That's fucking sick.
1205
01:25:29,724 --> 01:25:34,286
Leave the guy alone.
He's gonna die in a few days.
1206
01:25:34,329 --> 01:25:37,890
Least we can do is let the poor fuck
get his rocks off one more time.
1207
01:25:37,932 --> 01:25:41,595
- Doesn't mean I have to watch.
- Then don't watch.
1208
01:25:44,973 --> 01:25:48,534
You bitch.
You like getting fucked, don't you?
1209
01:25:48,576 --> 01:25:51,841
Like when you're hustling and selling
your sweet little ass on the street?
1210
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,609
Well, now you're gonna get
what you've been asking for.
1211
01:25:53,648 --> 01:25:55,206
What the fuck are you doing, John?
1212
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:58,310
Shut the fuck up!
1213
01:25:58,353 --> 01:26:00,583
God!
All right, that's enough.
1214
01:26:00,622 --> 01:26:02,681
This is over!
1215
01:26:02,724 --> 01:26:04,954
Who the fuck are you
to tell me it's over?
1216
01:26:04,993 --> 01:26:07,154
I'm not who you think I am,
John, all right?
1217
01:26:07,195 --> 01:26:09,026
Guards, open this fucking door!
1218
01:26:09,063 --> 01:26:12,396
You know how many little pussy boys
like you died for this cock?
1219
01:26:12,433 --> 01:26:13,798
Huh?
1220
01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:17,032
Get on your fucking knees.
1221
01:26:17,071 --> 01:26:18,538
Fuck you.
1222
01:26:18,573 --> 01:26:23,203
Now open your mouth.
Open your fucking mouth.
1223
01:26:23,244 --> 01:26:27,374
- I said open your fucking mouth!
- God.
1224
01:26:27,415 --> 01:26:29,747
You fucking piece of shit.
1225
01:26:29,784 --> 01:26:32,810
- It hurts to let the demon in, doesn't it?
- (door buzzes)
1226
01:26:32,854 --> 01:26:35,186
- But you feel good.
- You mother... I'll fucking kill you.
1227
01:26:35,223 --> 01:26:37,714
- Get off him, boy.
- I'll fucking kill you.
1228
01:26:37,759 --> 01:26:40,125
- Let him go.
- You fucking little cunt.
1229
01:26:40,161 --> 01:26:42,391
Who's the clown now, John?
You fucking piece of shit.
1230
01:26:42,430 --> 01:26:44,990
- You'll be there with me!
- Fuck you.
1231
01:26:45,033 --> 01:26:49,402
I told you we're alike.
We're exactly alike!
1232
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:20,267
Valerie:
Jason?
1233
01:27:33,715 --> 01:27:35,683
It's okay.
1234
01:27:40,521 --> 01:27:42,580
Oh, Jason.
1235
01:28:04,345 --> 01:28:05,903
(phone rings)
1236
01:28:16,591 --> 01:28:18,422
(ringing continues)
1237
01:28:19,927 --> 01:28:21,724
(machine picks up)
1238
01:28:21,763 --> 01:28:23,924
This is Jason. Leave a message.
1239
01:28:23,965 --> 01:28:25,626
(beeps)
1240
01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:28,135
Gacy:
Jason, it's me.
1241
01:28:28,169 --> 01:28:30,535
Pick up.
1242
01:28:30,571 --> 01:28:35,304
What's wrong?
I don't understand.
1243
01:28:35,343 --> 01:28:39,746
They're gonna kill me in a couple of days.
Why are you abandoning me?
1244
01:28:39,781 --> 01:28:41,840
What is it?
1245
01:28:41,883 --> 01:28:44,215
What did I do?
1246
01:28:44,252 --> 01:28:47,153
Was it the little fight we had?
1247
01:28:47,188 --> 01:28:49,816
If it is, l... I'm sorry.
1248
01:28:49,857 --> 01:28:52,951
I'm... I'm really sorry.
1249
01:28:56,297 --> 01:28:57,787
John?
1250
01:28:59,334 --> 01:29:02,895
You little cocksucking jackoff.
1251
01:29:02,937 --> 01:29:06,998
Do you have any idea
who you are fucking with?
1252
01:29:07,041 --> 01:29:11,102
I should have choked the life out of you
when I had your throat in my hands.
1253
01:29:11,145 --> 01:29:15,445
You know what I'm gonna do, Jason?
I'm gonna send your letters to the cops
1254
01:29:15,483 --> 01:29:17,713
and the FBI.
1255
01:29:17,752 --> 01:29:20,380
I'm even gonna send
a copy to your parents;
1256
01:29:20,421 --> 01:29:25,051
let the whole world know what
a sick perverted cocksucker you are.
1257
01:29:25,093 --> 01:29:27,721
You want to send
those letters to my family,
1258
01:29:27,762 --> 01:29:30,128
then the police, John?
1259
01:29:30,164 --> 01:29:32,098
Well, go ahead.
1260
01:29:32,133 --> 01:29:36,365
Because everybody up here knows that
I was just studying you for school.
1261
01:29:36,404 --> 01:29:40,238
You were an experiment, John.
1262
01:29:40,274 --> 01:29:44,301
I was playing you from the start
1263
01:29:44,345 --> 01:29:46,813
and you were too stupid
to figure it out.
1264
01:29:48,282 --> 01:29:51,342
What do you have to say now, John?
1265
01:29:59,260 --> 01:30:00,454
(beeps)
1266
01:31:08,996 --> 01:31:10,623
Female reporter:
Tonight I'm standing outside
1267
01:31:10,665 --> 01:31:14,726
Illinois's Stateville Penitentiary
where John Wayne Gacy will be executed
1268
01:31:14,769 --> 01:31:18,364
for the 33 murders
he was convicted of 14 years ago.
1269
01:31:18,406 --> 01:31:22,274
Three drugs will be administered
in 30-second to one-minute intervals:
1270
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:24,710
Sodium Pentothal,
an anesthetic;
1271
01:31:24,745 --> 01:31:28,340
pancuronium bromide
to paralyze the respiratory system;
1272
01:31:28,382 --> 01:31:30,976
and potassium chloride
to stop the heart.
1273
01:31:31,018 --> 01:31:33,213
If all goes as planned,
Gacy will be pronounced dead
1274
01:31:34,388 --> 01:31:36,083
within 10 to 15 minutes.
1275
01:31:41,963 --> 01:31:44,329
Jason?
1276
01:31:47,401 --> 01:31:50,063
- (knocking)
- Jason, come on.
1277
01:31:54,208 --> 01:31:56,870
- Jason?
- Jason: Just go away.
1278
01:32:01,883 --> 01:32:03,145
Male reporter:
...from the scene.
1279
01:32:03,184 --> 01:32:07,086
And some of the families of Gacy's victims
are present for the execution.
1280
01:32:07,121 --> 01:32:09,282
One family issued a statement saying,
1281
01:32:09,323 --> 01:32:11,553
"Nothing will ever
bring our son back,
1282
01:32:11,592 --> 01:32:15,688
but after 16 years,
justice is finally being served."
1283
01:32:15,730 --> 01:32:16,890
Meanwhile, protesters...
1284
01:32:33,381 --> 01:32:36,612
We've just received confirmation
that John Wayne Gacy
1285
01:32:36,651 --> 01:32:39,142
succumbed to lethal injection
and was pronounced dead
1286
01:32:39,186 --> 01:32:41,518
at 12:58 AM,
1287
01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:44,923
nearly an hour after
his scheduled execution time.
1288
01:32:44,959 --> 01:32:47,757
Cheers from the crowd were heard
when his death was announced
1289
01:32:47,795 --> 01:32:50,355
while others continued
their protest in silence.
1290
01:33:10,284 --> 01:33:14,186
So I have read
your term paper.
1291
01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:17,780
And?
1292
01:33:17,825 --> 01:33:22,785
And it's very good.
1293
01:33:25,766 --> 01:33:27,859
Thank you.
1294
01:33:27,902 --> 01:33:31,201
So do you really think you were able
to get inside his mind?
1295
01:33:31,238 --> 01:33:33,672
Uh...
1296
01:33:33,708 --> 01:33:37,109
as close as anyone can get.
1297
01:33:37,144 --> 01:33:41,274
Well, listen, obviously you've been talking
to a lot of people about this
1298
01:33:41,315 --> 01:33:45,012
because there is a lot of buzz
on campus about your project.
1299
01:33:45,052 --> 01:33:48,385
I know some of the other students
have been talking about your letters
1300
01:33:48,422 --> 01:33:51,653
and even some of the faculty are
aware of what you've been doing.
1301
01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:53,557
I was wondering,
would you be willing
1302
01:33:53,594 --> 01:33:55,858
to put on a small presentation
for the department?
1303
01:33:55,896 --> 01:33:58,888
Nothing too formal...
just talk to us about what you learned
1304
01:33:58,933 --> 01:34:03,461
and how you developed
this rather unusual methodology.
1305
01:34:06,273 --> 01:34:10,573
Jason: While this sociopath was
trying to humanize himself to me,
1306
01:34:10,611 --> 01:34:14,069
the images of the boys
he killed never left my mind.
1307
01:34:14,115 --> 01:34:16,583
Their innocent faces
still remind me
1308
01:34:16,617 --> 01:34:20,053
of just how unthinkable
these crimes were.
1309
01:34:20,087 --> 01:34:25,047
And the losses that these families suffered
should never be forgotten.
1310
01:34:25,092 --> 01:34:27,822
We live in a society
that is fascinated
1311
01:34:27,862 --> 01:34:31,559
by murder, killing and violence.
1312
01:34:31,599 --> 01:34:35,126
So I thought I was just one
of many with a morbid interest
1313
01:34:35,169 --> 01:34:37,933
in the darker side
of human nature.
1314
01:34:37,972 --> 01:34:41,772
But I also wanted
to conquer something that I truly feared.
1315
01:34:41,809 --> 01:34:44,107
Instead of running away
from this monster,
1316
01:34:44,145 --> 01:34:46,136
something told me
I should confront it
1317
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:48,375
and look it in the eye.
1318
01:34:48,416 --> 01:34:51,613
When I first embarked
on this journey
1319
01:34:51,652 --> 01:34:54,143
to enter into the mind
and manipulate
1320
01:34:54,188 --> 01:34:57,783
one of the world's
most notorious serial killers,
1321
01:34:57,825 --> 01:35:01,625
I never imagined that the one
who would ultimately be manipulated
1322
01:35:01,662 --> 01:35:06,122
and controlled would be me.
1323
01:35:07,635 --> 01:35:09,227
Thank you.
1324
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:11,864
(applause)
1325
01:35:14,141 --> 01:35:16,609
Very good, Jason.
Well done, Jason. Very good.
1326
01:35:52,813 --> 01:35:55,577
(opening letter)
1327
01:36:02,923 --> 01:36:07,087
Gacy: Well, Jason,
you really took me for a ride.
1328
01:36:07,128 --> 01:36:11,030
You were right,
I never saw it coming.
1329
01:36:11,065 --> 01:36:13,659
Of all the people who
fucked me over in my life,
1330
01:36:13,701 --> 01:36:15,828
I never thought it would be you.
1331
01:36:15,870 --> 01:36:18,930
But it must have been fate.
1332
01:36:18,973 --> 01:36:22,431
Thousands of people wanted me,
but I picked you.
1333
01:36:22,476 --> 01:36:25,274
We had a real connection,
the two of us.
1334
01:36:25,312 --> 01:36:29,510
And now that I know the truth,
I know more than ever
1335
01:36:29,550 --> 01:36:34,146
that you and I are
a lot more alike than you think.
1336
01:36:34,188 --> 01:36:36,748
It's time to die now.
1337
01:36:36,791 --> 01:36:39,624
See you on the other side, buddy.
1338
01:37:32,046 --> 01:37:36,346
I portrayed an image to Gacy
of this lonely boy that had no friends.
1339
01:37:36,383 --> 01:37:38,544
I wanted someone
to teach me or help me.
1340
01:37:38,586 --> 01:37:40,178
I presented myself as very naive.
1341
01:37:40,221 --> 01:37:43,418
I didn't want to just learn about Gacy.
I wanted to actually talk to him,
1342
01:37:43,457 --> 01:37:46,051
find out about his crimes,
find out the things
1343
01:37:46,093 --> 01:37:47,958
that no one else
could find out about.
1344
01:37:47,995 --> 01:37:50,623
I thought, "I'm gonna find the secrets
that the FBI couldn't figure out.
1345
01:37:50,664 --> 01:37:53,428
I want to do
what the psychologists failed to do."
1346
01:37:53,467 --> 01:37:56,630
And every letter I got back, I thought that
was one step closer to finding out
1347
01:37:56,670 --> 01:37:58,729
why Gacy buried those kids.
1348
01:37:58,772 --> 01:38:01,104
But he was also a part
of my life for seven months.
1349
01:38:01,141 --> 01:38:04,110
He was my friend, my confidant,
1350
01:38:04,144 --> 01:38:06,135
the subject of all my nightmares.
1351
01:38:06,180 --> 01:38:09,513
But it's weird to know
that he's gone.
1352
01:38:21,729 --> 01:38:26,496
(slow-tempo music playing)
1353
01:38:43,450 --> 01:38:48,786
~ Maybe I left you alone too much ~
1354
01:38:50,891 --> 01:38:56,796
~ Maybe I didn't know you well ~
1355
01:38:58,232 --> 01:39:03,534
~ Maybe if I held you a little longer ~
1356
01:39:03,570 --> 01:39:05,731
~ When you were a boy ~
1357
01:39:05,773 --> 01:39:10,710
~ Maybe I would have been
able to tell ~
1358
01:39:12,713 --> 01:39:16,149
~ You dance with the devil ~
1359
01:39:16,183 --> 01:39:19,744
~ You'll never be the same ~
1360
01:39:19,787 --> 01:39:22,153
~ I wish I'd have known ~
1361
01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:27,320
~ I'd make you stay with me ~
1362
01:39:27,361 --> 01:39:34,096
~ My forever won't change ~
1363
01:39:34,134 --> 01:39:41,302
~ Like a wound I keep on paying ~
1364
01:39:42,443 --> 01:39:50,179
~ Time won't heal this kind of pain ~
1365
01:39:56,523 --> 01:40:01,790
~ I watched you walk
down that road ~
1366
01:40:03,464 --> 01:40:09,960
~ I saw a side you never showed ~
1367
01:40:11,071 --> 01:40:16,873
~ Pretended like it was okay ~
1368
01:40:18,312 --> 01:40:24,444
~ I never wanted it to end this way ~
1369
01:40:25,619 --> 01:40:29,077
~ If you survive ~
1370
01:40:29,123 --> 01:40:32,581
~ You'll never be the same ~
1371
01:40:32,626 --> 01:40:34,787
~ I wish I'd have known ~
1372
01:40:34,828 --> 01:40:40,528
~ I'd make you stay with me ~
1373
01:40:40,567 --> 01:40:46,938
~ My forever won't change ~
1374
01:40:46,974 --> 01:40:54,142
~ Like a wound I keep on paying ~
1375
01:40:54,181 --> 01:41:01,519
~ Time won't heal this kind of pain ~
1376
01:41:01,555 --> 01:41:08,552
~ My forever won't change... ~
1377
01:41:11,298 --> 01:41:18,295
~ Won't change,
won't change... ~
1378
01:42:04,118 --> 01:42:10,489
~ My forever won't change ~
1379
01:42:10,524 --> 01:42:17,692
~ Like a wound I keep on paying ~
1380
01:42:17,731 --> 01:42:25,069
~ Time won't heal this kind of pain ~
1381
01:42:25,105 --> 01:42:32,841
~ My forever won't change. ~
1382
01:42:49,696 --> 01:42:51,687
(train whistle blowing)
1383
01:42:52,305 --> 01:42:58,610
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