All language subtitles for [English (auto-generated)] Barbara O’Neill On Longevity, Gut Microbiome, Immune System, and Anti-Agi

Did you know that they used to have in

the medical journals the graphs and if

you look at the original graphs the

infectious diseases were 3/4 sometimes

totally wiped out and then the vaccine

was introduced.

>> I have a hard time believing that we

need 79 vaccines before you're 18 years

old in order to just exist in the world.

>> That's a total denial that our body can

heal itself because it can. I agree and

I acknowledge that people have the

symptoms, but we have seen people heal

from all the autoimmune diseases that

you might mention to me.

>> Some of the characteristics of the

immune system that people might not know

about. I mean, I think we're very

familiar with the fact that it defends

us. Remember that there's an

intermediary between the food that you

eat and you we don't eat to feed

ourselves. We eat to feed our gut

bacteria and they eat to feed us. Well,

it is estimated that 70% of our immune

system is established by our gut flora.

So, what destroys our gut flora is the

antibiotics.

>> We know that the immune system is

hypervigilant. And so, how do we

strengthen our immune system?

>> That's a good question. Very good

question. It needs us to be

>> ultimate human.

Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate

Human Podcast. I'm your host, human

biologist Gary Brea, where we go down

the road of everything anti-aging,

biohacking, longevity, and everything in

between. And today's guest, most of my

audience knows her. Um, she has been

referred to as the grandmother of the

world, I just found out,

which I think is a great title. Um,

because I'm an enormous, enormous fan of

our guest. Welcome to the podcast,

Barbara O'Neal.

>> Thank you. Yes. I count it a great honor

to be termed the grandma of the world.

And so, why the grandma of the world?

Coming back to basics, I guess. Yeah,

you know, it's interesting. Right before

the the camera started rolling, we

talked about how, you know, on my

journey into wellness, longevity,

anti-aging, what have you. Um, when you

look at the big data, blue zones, uh,

what's truly extending life, um, it

really is the basics. It is I mean the

three common denominators with these in

the blue zone was uh very active,

>> very social and eating food in its

natural state. They were the three

common denominators.

>> You know, I I found that fascinating too

because we want the answer to be a

dogmatic diet, right? It's either all

carnivore, all keto, all paleo, all

vegan, all vegetarian, all pescatarian.

>> But the truth is there was no continuity

between the diets. You had high

carbohydrate consumption. You had high

meat consumption, high fatty fish and

oils, and very long life expecties. And

I always tease the French because they

screwed up the whole model because

they're smoking cigarettes and eating

cheese and drinking wine and living 100

years old. So the heck with the French.

Um but uh uh you know it's in in this

journey, you know, I think everyone

wants it to be this special supplement.

Oh, it's NAD. That's what I'm missing.

It's it's red light therapy. It's a

hyperbaric chamber. It's um you know NMN

or you know it's any number of things.

Uh and I think you can make an argument

for those things you know at different

times. But the truth is it's what

continuity ran through all of the blue

zones was the absence of processed

foods.

>> That's true.

>> Um

>> that's true.

>> And you know what you pointed out as uh

sense of community,

>> sense of purpose. Um, you know, and I

found this in my own life that, uh, you

know, nature is medicine. Um,

>> and connection is medicine. And I think

we're the most disconnected we've ever

been in in history, you know, trying to

create connection through our devices.

>> And, and we're totally disconnected from

our bodies. M.

>> And that's probably the hardest thing

that I I do is teach people to begin

listening and trusting their bodies.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it it sends us

signals, right? Constipation.

>> It does.

>> Bloating.

>> It does. It speaks to us.

>> Yeah. We just decide to tune it out.

>> Yes. You know, one of the things I've

I've really admired about you is that um

you know, I I was talking about the the

talk that I'm doing today at the Health

Optimization Summit, and I put this

really confusing chart up on the stage

in front of the audience for a reason

because it looks like this super

complicated myriad of transactions going

on. But when you zoom in on it, you see

very very common elements, vitamins,

minerals, amino acids, um nutrients of

all kinds that that when you deplete

these in the human body, you know, my

philosophy is you get the expression of

disease

>> and then we begin to think that we can

treat that expression of disease with a

chemical or a synthetic or

pharmaceutical. Um, one of the things

that I I really uh would love to touch

on with you because I just left a

meeting this morning with a very very

close friend of mine, uh, the Mansour

family, and they've just had a new baby,

and her first questions to me were about

infant formula and and vaccines. by the

time this podcast airs um and I'll hold

this until the report is out but Bobby

Kennedy is releasing releasing a report

maha report and one of these uh key

investigations is what is the root cause

of autism

>> and we know it's a neurinflammatory

condition we see that it's had a

parabolic rise in the United States it's

mind-numbing I don't

>> maybe I'm not getting statistic exactly

correct, but it was about 1 in 10,000 in

the 50s and 60s.

>> That's right.

>> And now it's about 1 in 32.

>> That's right.

>> Um and shows no signs of slowing down.

>> That's right.

>> And interestingly, I thought the primary

uh driver I thought would be

vaccination, but it turns out that it's

infant formula

>> and u uh blue light coming from screens.

these artificial lights coming from

screens changing brain physiology. Um,

but it's so hard for pregnant women that

either can't breastfeed, aren't

breastfeeding either because of

lifestyle challenges or because of some

kind of medical challenge. Um, and what

do you recommend for these women like

where can they go to find good sources

of nutrition for their infants? It it is

very difficult and I very much encourage

women to really persevere at

breastfeeding because it is the perfect

milk and it is the best and true um

often stress can can actually inhibit

>> the the milk flow.

>> Mhm.

>> But when you look at the animal kingdom,

the little animal that's very close to

human baby in size is goat's milk. M

>> and historically goats milk has been

given to babies for centuries

>> and I know in Australia you can get

goats milk formula. I have 25

grandchildren and

>> you have 25 grandchild.

>> I do. I do.

>> That's why you're the grandmother of the

world. It's not because

>> and don't forget the four great.

>> Oh yeah, you got four greats. Oh boy.

But um I know that my grandchildren that

weren't breastfed or breastfed for a

small while, they all went on goats

milk. And I've had so many people

testify to me. My brother had eczema. My

mother put him on goats milk. It all

cleared up. So goats milk, it's stood

the test of time

>> and it's used also by some

pediatricians. if a baby has asthma or

eczema, which are very common allergens

in goats in the cow's milk formula.

>> So, going over to the goats milk

formula.

>> And do you think the raw version of

goats milk?

>> Well, I said yes once in Australia and I

think that's one of the reasons I'm

banned in Australia.

>> Yeah.

>> But if if it is from a raw goat, it must

be a healthy source, of course, and it

must be clean utensils, all of that sort

of stuff. So,

>> but not pasteurized, non-homogenized.

>> Well, ideally,

>> yeah,

>> ideally,

>> I would I would agree with I I would

actually agree with that, too.

>> And the the other point is with the

autism, do you know there's a group of

people in America about 2% autism

>> and that's the Amish

>> and the Amish don't vaccinate.

>> But I agree with you. In fact, I have

learned if I've learned anything in my

many years on this planet is never to be

absolute. Mhm.

>> But in the majority of cases, it does

point to the vaccines because of the

neurotoxins, the faldahhide, the

aluminium, but the blue light coming

from the screens. You see it in the

airport all the time. Mother feeding a

baby, the phone's in the in the other

hand. I say, "Mother, put the phone down

and look at that beautiful baby."

>> Right. Right.

>> And also the formulas, you know, the the

the formulas are formulated in a

laboratory,

>> right? Um, yeah, not the best for

babies.

>> You know, it's I I I I talk commonly

about seed oils and not in an attempt to

attack the plant, but usually it's the

distance from the plant.

>> Oh, it's the distance from the plant.

And I have stopped calling myself a

vegan because plant seed oils are vegan,

chemicals are vegan, refined sugars

vegan, and you vegan

>> and I was

>> potato chips are vegan.

I was at an event and they had a carrot

cake. It was a plant-based event, vegan,

and this white fluff was on top. And I

said, "What's that?"

>> Mhm.

>> And they said, "It's vegan. It's vegan."

And I say, "I know cow's milk. I know

coconut cream, but what's that?" And

then they brought out this spray can,

which number one put me off. I'm reading

the ingredients, cheap seed oils,

chemicals, refined sugar. I said, "I'll

just have the carrot cake." From that

day, I no longer call myself a vegan. I

eat plants.

>> Plant-based.

Yeah. You know, it's You ever read the

back of a like a nunburger?

>> Um, and I mean, but I'm I'm a human

biologist and a scientist, and I can't

pronounce nor even know what half of

those things are. Um, the thickening

agents, the binders, the fillers,

>> and and if you can't pronounce it, it

shouldn't be going in.

>> Yeah. You know, someone said to me one

time, you know, when you're reading the

back of a label, if you don't know where

to find it in the grocery store, so it's

got polyorbate 80. I don't need to know

what that is. I just need to know if I

could find it on the shelf in the

grocery store. Can I find high fructose

corn syrup? Um, you know, can I find red

dye number four? Um, and if you can't

find it in the grocery store, it's

probably a very highly processed food.

And and that actually took a lot of

pressure off of me because I thought

that I would have to index this

encyclopedia of chemicals and understand

them all.

>> Yeah. No, no need. No need.

>> So So um goats milk and you know

vaccination is such a controversial

topic and you know historically

um vaccines were defined at least by

preventing the infection and the spread.

Well, this is very interesting because I

wanted to know why. I wanted to know

when it began. And did you know that

they used to have in the medical

journals no longer the graphs? And if

you look at the original graphs, the dis

the infectious diseases were 3/4

sometimes totally wiped out

>> and then the vaccine was introduced.

>> So what caused this massive drop?

Florence

>> Nightingale.

And what she did was she increased

hygiene, sanitation and nutrition. In

the 1950s,

the sewage from London went into the

temps and the people in London drank

that water.

>> And you look at pictures from that time,

children sitting in gutters in sewage.

>> So no wonder the infectious diseases

were out of control. There's no

infectious diseases anymore even in the

part of the population and they're

getting more that do not vaccinate

because we're not sitting in the

children aren't sitting in sewage

anymore

>> and there's a a sewage system under

London

>> so that the sewage doesn't go in the

temps anymore.

That's what stopped those diseases. You

know, it's it's it's fascinating that

you say that because um for years, about

20 years, I was a mortality researcher

and we studied um uh mortality rates and

big data on mortality. Um and I did this

for large life insurance companies. So,

we knew the day, the date, the time, the

location, and the cause of death for

hundreds of millions of lives. And the

truth is, the greatest jumps in life

expectancy, we had the greatest

expansion in life expectancy was clean

water and sanitation.

>> That's right. Um, and once we figured

out clean water and sanitation, do you

know in the 1800s there was a famous

physician that was actually jailed and

lived the rest of his life in the same

asylum because he noticed a correlation

between handwashing

>> and and delivering babies.

>> That's right. That's from Vienna.

>> Yeah,

>> I I was reading that. And Florence

Nightingale, the same thing. The doctors

hated her

>> because she made them wash their hands

between operations.

>> Right. I mean, and now you wouldn't

think of, first of all, you would never

do an operation bare-handed. Um, and you

would never do an operation without

>> I actually think they've gone a little

bit over the top now.

>> Yeah. Now we too much hand sanitizer.

>> When I see someone come in and wipe all

the seat down in the plane before they

sit in the plane.

>> Yeah. And and constant, you know,

hospitals now are actually starting to

take some of these hand sanitizers out.

I'm so glad to hear that because the

research shows that washing your hands

with soap and water is even more

effective

>> and and killing everything. You know, we

we live in such a microbial world.

>> We do.

>> And we're in symbiosis with a lot of

these microbes.

>> We do and and we should be. And so,

anything that comes in with the kill

mentality, anything that can kill a

small organism has the potential to kill

a large. And that's what we are. There

are 10 times more microorganisms in the

body than cells. We have 100 trillion

cells. And there are 10 times more

microorganisms in the gastrointestinal

tract than anywhere else in the body. In

fact, Gary, my uh lecture on these

little microbes is one of my favorites.

>> Really? Well, let's go down the micro

roll because, you know, somebody said to

me one time, and I thought it was a

fascinating statement. Um, we don't eat

to feed ourselves. We eat to feed our

gut bacteria. and they eat to feed us.

He said, "So remember that there's an

intermediary between the food that you

eat and and you and this intermediary is

your gut microbiome." And so we want to

be really good to our gut microbiome.

>> Oh, we do. We do. In fact, what I find

fascinating is that our gastrointestinal

tract, which is about 10 m long, 10

yards long.

>> Yeah. 30 ft.

>> It's a hollow tube,

>> which means it's not really part of you

or me. Anything that goes in there is

not part of you or me until it gets

broken down to tiny little particles,

absorbed out of the gut and into the

blood.

>> Then it becomes part of you or me. And

what's responsible for that final

breakdown? I do a journey through the

gastrointestinal tract.

>> Yeah, let's do one.

>> Yeah.

>> And I say we're going to start at the

mouth and end up at the other end. And

when we get to the small intestine where

we've got the little villi coated with

the microbiome, I say to people, we have

now come to the grand finale

>> of digestion, the area where our

nutrients are actually absorbed into our

blood.

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>> and what makes the difference between

good absorption and malabsorption. I

mean, there's so much data now. I I

remember Dr. Pearl Mutter was the first

one for me and my journey. He wrote a

book called Grain Brain. Um, and he

wrote another one called uh the gut

brain connection. Um I I assume you

would agree with a lot of his research

and uh it was the first time that for me

that someone had highlighted and

connected um the gut to so many

different mealies.

>> Oh yes, he's he's excellent that and Dr.

and Natasha Campbell McBride in her book

Gut and Psychology.

>> Very similar, although she goes just a

little bit further in some areas,

>> but the connection between the gut and

the brain is is closer than most people

realize. So, what destroys our gut flora

is the antibiotics.

>> You see, the antibiotics, I liken drugs

to robots. They say, "Get out of my way.

I got a job to do whether you need it or

not." And it just comes in with this

kill mentality. Yes, it will kill

pathogenic bacteria, but it'll also kill

the good guys.

>> Yeah.

>> And I'm not against antibiotics. I think

they should be saved as life saving. But

I raised eight children with no

antibiotics and they're all still alive,

>> right?

>> And my 25 grandchildren haven't had

antibiotics and they're all still alive.

>> In other words,

>> they're probably thriving.

>> Yes. So in other words, what So for

instance, my little grandson treads on a

rusty nail.

>> Mhm.

>> And they and they bring him to me

crying. So what's the first thing you

do? You clean him up. Just common sense.

Then I graded a potato.

>> And I wrapped it in a little parcel, put

it on the bottom of his foot, put a

little bit of plastic on it, wrapped it,

wrapped his foot in it, put in a sock,

and he went off very, very happy. M

>> and that grated potato went on his foot

every night overnight for 3 days.

>> And what did the potato do is the enzyme

>> the potato does is it's a drawer. So it

kept that wound open till it healed from

the inside out.

>> Whereas if a scab had formed and it had

healed without healing on the outside,

not the inside, then you've got an

environment where tetanus can grow. M

>> and if there's an element of a horse

organism in the soil, wow, we got the

perfect environment for tetanus.

>> Mhm.

>> So what I did was that potato that just

kept it open. It kept it draining and it

reduced all inflammation and it healed

from the inside out.

>> That young boy, I think he's 17

tomorrow.

>> Yeah.

>> And this is when he was three. He has

not had any vaccines at all.

>> No vaccines at all. And you so you

believe in the natural infection and you

>> well what I believe in is this

incredible body with its inbuilt ability

to heal itself that's called the immune

system.

>> And you know our front line of defense

is our hydrochloric acid. Further down

our next line of defense is those

microorganisms because they break down,

they absorb, they nourish and they

protect the inside environment, the

blood. So that's the next line. But if

something happens to get into the blood,

then we've got our internal army, which

is our five different white blood cells.

And the neutrfils, they make up about

65%. They engulf, shoot hydrochloric

acid into the pathogen and kill it

>> and then they actually die in the

process. And if there's too much in an

area, then it'll come out through the

skin as pus, cuz that's what pus is. But

if it can be dealt with in the blood,

then the monocytes come along. They're

the cleanup team. And then there's the

lymphosytes. They're always looking

around saying, "Hey, neutrfils, we need

you over here."

>> It's an amazing system. So that's

another one of my favorite lectures is

the immune system.

>> Yeah. I I mean I I would I actually was

asked this question uh two days ago on a

podcast. It was a fascinating question.

and he said if you put the the top 50 um

PhDs, MDs, uh you know uh researchers in

the world in a room uh on longevity and

and anti-aging, whatever your econom

calls, wellness, bio optimization, he

said, "What one theory would do you

think they would all agree on?" And I

was like, "Wow, that's a really good

question." Um and I said we probably

would agree on the theory of immuno

fatigue,

a slow progressive overwhelming of the

immune system. Um as a as a broad

definition for aging because we know

when we're young, the immune system

spends uh a vast majority of its time

policing ourselves. autophagy, cellular

scinessence. And as we get older, it's

distracted. Glyphosate, paraquat, uh,

mold spores, micotoxins, heavy metals,

parasites, viruses, you name it, right?

We we're slowly inoculating ourselves

with all of these unnecessary chemicals

and compounds. and the immune system is

over here dealing with inflammation and

cytoines and histamine storm and then

CTC, a circulating tumor cell slips by

or some, you know, something that would

have otherwise been a walk in the park

>> being dealt with. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And it's fascinating to me that if

you took a strand of DNA from nearly

every human being that only about 60% of

that DNA would be human. The vast

majority and not the vast majority, but

a portion of that DNA is viral. And the

immune system's capable of silencing

these viruses.

>> It is.

>> But every once in a while, you know, you

had mono in eighth grade and you get up

steam bar as an adult. You had chicken

box as a child. You get shingles as an

adult.

>> So I I want to I want to cover I'm going

to come back to the microbiome, but

since we're on the immune system, I want

to talk about, you know, some of the

characteristics of the immune system

that people might not know about. I

mean, I think we're very familiar with

the fact that it defends us,

but it also polices us.

>> It does. It does. And the lymphosytes,

they're made in the lymph nodes,

>> whereas all the other white blood cells

are made in the bone marrow

>> and they are ever looking around. And

that's why we give our body the right

conditions. We've got a we've got a

police system. We've got a protective

system that can deal with all that. Mhm.

And so how do we strengthen our immune

system?

>> That's a good question. Very good

question. It needs us to be well

hydrated

>> and that's water.

>> And it needs us to go to bed ideally a

couple of hours before midnight because

that's when our batteries, our body, our

immune system, our cells revive and

recharge. healing accelerates

>> at twice the rate in those two hours and

about one or two after midnight. And

that's where that's where many people

are missing out.

>> And nourishment, it's like asking my

sons, a lot of them are tradesman

builders to do an extension on my house,

but I've just got the cheapest building

materials.

>> Even though they're good tradesmen, how

can they build without proper building

material? Same with our body. We need to

give nourishment. ideally in organic

foods. Uh high fibers, great proteins,

great fats. Hopefully fat phobia is out

of most people's minds today.

>> I thought I thought high fat caused

cardiovascular disease.

>> Oh no, that's been that's been proven

wrong. But probably one of my favorite

and I do it wherever I can is that cold

dunk every morning.

>> Really?

>> Oh yes. Oh yes.

>> Is she really a cold plunger? Really?

Your staff's behind the camera going,

"Yeah, she really does it.

>> She does it." In fact,

>> I call it my drug of choice. I love that

hormatic stress.

>> Jacqueline's Jacqueline's excuse is

she's holding my clothes and taking the

photos.

>> Yeah, my staff comes up with excuses,

too. Malia in the background there. Um,

but uh I I call it my drug of choice. I

actually have three cold plunges in my

house. I have one on the balcony so I

can do it at sunrise. I have two in in

right off of my master bedroom. But what

that does is that gives a shock to the

body

>> and that shock it goes to the right into

the bone marrow

>> to to boost to boost the immune system.

That's what quick cold does.

>> You see, we're warm-blooded creatures,

so of course we don't like the cold,

>> right?

>> One lady said, "Barbara, you say we

should end every hot shower with a

>> with cold. And you also tell us that

we're to listen to our bodies. My body

says don't do it.

>> No, that's your brain that says don't do

it. Yeah,

>> that's that's your feelings. But your

reason, intellect and judgment says no,

this is good. But I say, yeah, but how

do you feel after it?

>> And I remember Jack and I were in

Mryland. We found a lake and it had a

little jetty so I could dive in. And

this morning it was white with frost on

the ground.

>> So I dived in, swam around, came out.

Yes. got my nice warm woolen clothes on.

So, I've got instant warmth. And as I'm

walking away,

>> I feel like I've had an injection of

power. Now, I'm sure you can identify

with that because the body's reaction is

whoa.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like because we're warm-blooded

creatures, when we do that cold plunge,

the body says, "Move."

>> It's cold.

>> Yeah.

>> So, we access that cold shot,

>> right? Whereas remember the sad story of

the Titanic, most of them died because

in that freezing cold water, their body

just stopped.

>> Mhm.

>> It just stopped.

>> Mhm.

>> They put their head down and slept. That

just stopped.

>> And so the body knows that cold is

potentially a killer.

>> And so when we get that quick cold,

there's

>> Yes.

>> There's this reaction. And so that's

what the hydrotherapist

uses is that reaction.

>> Yeah. You know, I like I say, I call it

my drug of choice. I have a little

saying that aging is the aggressive

pursuit of comfort. You know, because

the more aggressively we pursue comfort,

we're we're we're creatures of comfort.

You know, we regulate our body, our air

temperature, we regulate our lighting,

you know, we temperatures in our car. So

you you walk into my room in the

Pullman. I've actually found a way that

I open this window and open that window

and it's cool. I've got fresh air coming

in. I'd rather have fresh air and put my

woolly jumper on.

>> Yeah.

>> Than to be in this this stuffy stifling

warm environment.

>> So So back to the immune system because

um you know if you look at the category

of autoimmune disease, right? where uh

we essentially assume that somebody woke

up one morning and the immune system

just went haywire for no reason

>> and the body just started eating itself.

It does make no sense to me.

>> It makes no sense to me either. I'm glad

you say that cuz I don't believe we just

woke up one morning and it's attacking

the colon. You have Crohn's and it's

attacking the lacrial gland. You have

sugar and it's attacking the thyroid and

now you have Hashimoto's.

>> Now, my husband doesn't like it when I

say this. He's my biggest critique and

it's good. If I pass him, I'll pass

anyone.

>> Yeah. I don't believe in autoimmune

diseases.

>> He said that's a very challenging

statement and maybe I want it to be.

>> I I agree and I acknowledge that people

have the symptoms

>> but we have seen people heal from all

the autoimmune diseases that you might

uh mention to me.

>> Yeah.

>> So how can it be an autoimmune disease?

>> And and also what if if this entire

category of diseases is idiopathic,

right? It's of unknown origin. So if we

don't know the origin, how are we

certain of the disease?

>> Here's a good one. Fibromyalgia.

>> Mhm.

>> Google that fibromyalgia.

No known cause, no known cure.

>> Yeah.

>> Chronic fatigue syndrome. No known

cause, no known cure. Um, and I think

that the same is true with the vast

majority of autoimmune disease. And and

lately I've been fascinated with this

because we know that the immune system

is hypervigilant and um it's it's

actually the be it's the special forces,

right?

>> It is it's the uh Yeah. It's the it's

the elite team.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It was if it was in the US

it'd be sealed team six, right? So So

you know what? First of all, the immune

system has to be called to a location.

It doesn't just show up for no reason.

>> That's right. The lymphosytes are the

calling guys. And so something called it

and usually it's there because it's

after something. Well, maybe it's a

heavy metal, maybe it's a mold spore,

maybe it's a miccotoxin, maybe it is a

bacteria, a virus, some other kind of

pathogen that's in an area where it

shouldn't be.

>> And so the immune system properly calls

it there. I always use the analogy that

if somebody robbed the bank down the

street and ran into our VBO or Airbnb

here and barricaded themselves in here,

the police would bust down the door to

get to the perpetrator. And the immune

system will bust down doors to go after

pathogens,

>> right? It goes after perpetrators.

>> And so, how do um people go about

strengthening the immune system? because

I think it's this sort of nebulous we

all know we have one we don't know how

to cater to it.

>> It is in fact when I when I give my my

class on the immune system I say to

people if someone asked you what your

immune system was

>> what would you say

>> and I think a lot of people they don't

really know. So when I speak on it I

start with the skin. It's our front line

of defense and then the gut and and then

into the blood where I think what most

people recognize as the immune system is

the the white blood cells.

>> And I agree that there's a reason and

Newton's third law of motion we must

remember Sir Isaac Newton

that uh to every action there's always

an equal and an opposite reaction. We

must discover why. And it could be

mentally, it could be emotional, it

could be spiritual, it could be

physical. There could be a whole lot of

things.

>> And I like to see myself as a private

investigator.

>> I like investigating why these things

are so. So, how do I find out? I talk to

the person.

>> I get their history and I and if they

say, "I had a fall. What was that for?

What was hurt? What did you do? What was

done?" you know, I want to know because

there's always a reason.

>> And so if they're on this journey where

they feel they have a weakened immune

system, I get colds all the time, I get

flu very often, um I have a lot of

congestion, you know, runny nose, I have

blocked sinuses, I have the signs and

symptoms that, you know, my immune

system is doing its job, but it's not

doing it well, right? Um

where did they start? What are what are

great things for the immune system?

>> What I'd like to suggest is that the

immune system is doing its job. But why

is it doing all that? So when I look at

respiratory stuffy nose, tonitis, sinus,

uh post-nasal drip, they call it

coughing up mucus.

>> Why? Why? So that excess mucus has been

produced for a reason. And maybe it's

irritated with micotoxins. Maybe it's

irritated with uh chemicals.

>> Maybe an allergy to certain foods.

>> And my most common allergens are dairy.

And the milk in the supermarket is very

different to the milk coming out of

Label the cow on an organic farm.

>> Label.

>> And

>> Label sounds like a cow's name. Um

>> and and people say, "What milk do you

drink?" I say, "I'm wind. I ate food."

>> Okay. Next one is wheat. and um Pulmada

in his book he talks about the uh the

hybridization of the the wheat and how

it's changed the starch structure the

the um the gluten and the protein

structure. So the body in some

compromised

uh individuals it reacts to that and it

can react with this excess mucus. Uh Dr.

William Davis in his book Wheat Belly,

he gives a very good background to what

they did to the wheat.

>> And this is genetically modified,

>> heavily sprayed.

>> Yeah. The glyphosates come in as well.

And also oats. And then and then of

course now I'm in the UK. Uh isn't that

touching something very holy?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> The oats. Well, oats are very high in

lectins. And when lectins get into the

blood, they increase inflammation. Now

if the gut flora is healthy it will

disarm the lectins but there's so many

unhealthy gut floras because of

antibiotics because of many medications

slaughter that gut flora

>> and peanuts are commonly contaminated

with mold. And the fifth one is refined

sugar. It's like kerosene to a fire.

>> Yeah.

>> So if someone has excess mucus all the

time I say stop the five allergens.

>> There's lots of alternatives today to

those five. go through the five again.

>> So, we got dairy, wheat, oats, peanuts,

refined sugar.

>> Now, it can take at least 2 months

before you see a result cuz you can have

a slice of bread, it'll be out of your

body in 24 hours, but the effect can

remain

>> sometimes for even more than two months.

So, I say write a note on the calendar,

fill your cupboard, don't do it until

your cupboard's well stocked,

>> right? and you know the alternatives

that you can do. But we've seen many

people able to clear up all of these

congestion things by just stopping that

because

uh there's a reason why there's excess

mucus. There's a reason why there's this

there's excess clogging up in the sinus.

There's a there's a whole lot of

reasons. So, it's investigating.

>> I I think that's a great that's a great

point. And and you know when we talk

about the immune system, we have to talk

about the microbiome, right? Because the

vast majority of our immune system is

right here in our gut.

>> Well, it is estimated that 70% of our

immune system is established by our gut

>> flora.

>> But what I find interesting is I think

most people are familiar with probiotic

probiotic foods. Sauerkraut, kea, miso,

um kombucha,

kamchoy.

>> Yeah, I eat a lot of kimchi. I got it in

the fridge in there.

>> Yeah. So, they're they're great at uh

boosting your gut flora, but what I find

interesting as well is what feeds the

gut flora is fiber.

>> The prebiotics.

>> They're the prebiotics. So, you can have

10 different apples and each apple will

feed a different microorganism.

>> So, I suggest people have at least seven

different fibers in their meal.

>> Wow.

>> And of course, the fibers coming from

your plant foods. And I was at a uh I

was in Andalooa at a homeschool camp

>> and I was teaching them about prebiotics

and probiotics and

>> northern part of southern Spain.

>> Okay.

>> And

in the morning I said, "Okay, kids, how

many did you have this morning?"

>> Yeah.

>> And one little boy said, "20."

>> And I looked at his father and his

father went,

>> "Yeah."

>> So he must have had a raspberry and a

blackberry and a blueberry. Right.

>> He must have

>> good for him.

>> And a sunflower seed and a sesame seed

and a flax, you know, but uh just to

show them if they can have more variety

in their fiber, they will have more

variety in their microbiome.

>> Now, as a plant-based lady, I push for

legumes or protein.

>> And then the complaint comes back,

bloating, right?

>> So I say, are they well soaked? Are they

well rinsed? Are they well cooked? Yes.

So I give the story of my husband when

we married 28 years ago. He said, "I can

have red lentils, not brown lentils." So

immediately I go, "Aha, brown lentils."

So what I did was I gave him a teaspoon.

>> A week later, two teaspoons. A week

later, three teaspoons. And now he can

eat brown lentils. M

>> so what I did was I was feeding the

microbiome for brown lentil

>> little by little by little

>> and allowing that flora too.

>> That's right. Because a lot of people I

find are so absolute. Can't eat this,

can't eat that. Well, let's let's look

at the way you're preparing it. Well,

bring it back. One lady said even a

teaspoon. I said, well, try three

lentils.

>> Right?

>> And a week later, try four.

>> Right?

>> A week later, try five.

and slowly rebuild that gut microbiome.

>> So the

>> the gut microbiome is directly linked to

our the strength of our immune system.

>> So any discussion about strengthening

the immune system has to start in in the

gut. So if people are listening to this

podcast and they want to go on this

journey and they believe food is

medicine, which I think we all do, um

then adding more prebiotic fi fibers,

things like kimchi, sauerkraut,

fermented veggies, I my gut feels the

best when I do that.

>> Yes.

>> Um I do eat grass-fed meats. Um and I

usually eat them with fermented um

vegetables. I notice that when I don't

eat the grass-fed or wild caught

versions of of fish and I and I don't

eat the fermented vegetables, even my

gut starts to

>> starts to go ary. But if I stay in that

zone,

>> yeah,

>> um then it helps. It helps tremendously.

>> Now, what you're doing, Gary, is you're

listening.

>> And that's what I find very hard to

teach people to do. M

>> listen so I can advise but your body

will tell you what you can and can't do

>> and a lot of people are challenged by

that. I say no your body can tell you

what no man can tell you.

>> Yeah.

>> Your body can tell you what no test can

tell you.

>> Just listen. M. So, when we're listening

to our bodies, um, do you recommend that

that everyone migrate to a plant-based

diet or do you find that there's any

role for wild caught fish, uh, grass-fed

meats, pasture-raised?

>> The healthiest couple that attended our

health retreat in Australia were organic

dairy farmers, organic meat farmers.

>> They ate all organic.

>> How did they get your uh, tag of the

healthiest couple? I want to my wife and

I would like to apply for that.

>> Well,

well, they're in they're in their

they're in their late 60s and they have

nothing wrong with them.

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They're supposed to be on five

pharmaceuticals. Barbara,

>> they're incred They're incredibly

>> no SSRI, no thyroid. Shame on them.

>> There was nothing wrong with them. In

fact, other guests looked at them and

said, "What are you doing here?" And

they said,

>> "Yeah, you should be on the stage."

>> They said, "Where else can we get such

good food

>> and such great accommodation? No

chemicals in this retreat. Beautiful

linen sheets with feather quilts.

>> Yeah. uh steam bath by the by the creek

every afternoon doing cold plunges. I

love it.

>> They said, "Where else can we this is

the best holiday?"

>> But that said, I ate plants.

>> I ate plants because that does very well

with me. But I give you that story to

acknowledge that some people

>> um if they choose to do that and it

works well, go for it. But at our

retreat, we just do plants.

>> No, I do well on plants, too. Um I I you

know I prefer um meats. I'm pretty

judicious about the meats that I eat.

But I do notice that when I eat I don't

eat nitrite so I don't eat any pork. Um

but um but I notice that when I when I

marginally gravitate from that my body

does signal.

>> Yes it does it it does speak. Do you

know also when your body's working well

and why would it be working well? Purely

because we give our body the right

conditions. It's designed to heal. It

will heal. It will function and be

maintained when we give it the right

conditions. That's what I'll be talking

on tomorrow afternoon. Keeping it very

simple.

>> And when your body is working well, it

tells you quickly. In fact, I can tell

when it's in my mouth.

>> Yeah. The coating on your tongue kind

of.

>> Oh, it just it just says to me. I had a

Brazil nut the other day and immediately

I thought this is not good. So I just

very politely remove it.

>> Yeah,

that's really good to tune. I mean, I

think the one big takeaway so far is

just tune in to your body.

>> Tune into your body. Start listening.

And when I was in Peru last year, uh,

another woman spoke at this convention I

was at. She was a young woman. She would

have been 40. She said, "I grew up in

Peru, but I went to New York. I got my

degree. I was a high-flyier CEO of a big

company. And I got sicker and sicker and

sicker cuz she's just eating junk. So

she went back to Peru

>> and her mother took her to a healer. And

the healer said, "How do you feel when

you eat that food?" She said, "I don't

know."

>> And she said that she almost felt

embarrassed that she had said that. She

didn't know how she felt.

>> And I think Gary, that would be that

would be the same with many people

today. How do you feel after that meal?

I don't know.

Listen,

>> it's a good point.

>> Listen, do you feel fantastic?

>> Do you feel like you're ready to climb a

mountain now or do you feel Oh,

>> no. You know, I I I I wanted just to go

back and touch on the vaccines for a

moment. It's such a controversial topic

and I don't know why it's so

controversial. You know, one of the

things that I really like that Bobby

Kennedy is trying to do in the US is not

to ban vaccines, but to say, shouldn't

we be curious about the same level of

rigorous research that we apply to other

compounds? Why would we just not apply

them to vaccines? Forget all of the

other political nonsense that goes on,

you know, uh, vaccine indemnities and no

responsibility for harm and that these

companies don't have fiduciaries to the

patient, they have fiduciaries to

investors, which I think is part of the

reason why the whole system is lopsided.

>> It's pretty bad.

>> Yeah. Um but you really think in today's

day and age that an infant born today

can survive and live a long healthy

happy life without any vaccinations.

>> They will live a long healthy happy life

because they don't have them.

>> And if a if a um a parent says to me,

should I vaccinate? I say to them, "I'm

not going to tell you what to do,

>> but I'll tell you what I would do. I

would go to the pharmacist and I would

get a print out of what's in the

vaccines."

>> Or Google Dr. Sherry Tenpenney.

>> Sherry

>> Tenpen Penney.

>> Ten Penney.

>> And she she's a American doctor who's

really stood up and and blown the

whistle on how dangerous the vaccines

are. and she goes into great detail in

what is every single vaccine and

>> you know aborted cow fetuses. Anyway,

it's it's it's pretty nasty.

>> Mhm.

>> That's beside the neurotoxins.

>> Mhm.

>> She doesn't call it the childhood

vaccination program. She calls it the

childhood poisoning program.

>> So, if you really want to know what's in

them, you can search her out and have a

look. She's just saying what it is.

>> Mhm. and she's a medical doctor and she

was confronted when she started to see

children being damaged by the vaccines.

But if the person's still unsure, I say,

"Well, take a piece of paper to the

person who will administer the vaccine

and ask them to sign it that they will

be accountable if the child has any side

effect." No parent would vaccinate

>> if they did those two things

>> because the vaccines are not safe.

They're far from safe. And when you

realize that historically it was

Florence Nightingale increasing hygiene,

sanitation, and nutrition uh that

stopped these childhood uh infectious

diseases.

>> Yeah. And you know, I I have a hard time

believing that we need 79

vaccines.

>> No. before you're you're 18 years old in

order to just

>> exist in the world. Um

>> that that's a total denial that our body

can heal itself

>> because it can. It was created to heal.

It's been doing it for a long long time.

And I have faith in this body and its

ability to heal. That's why when I got

co a double vaxed man brought it to our

retreat.

>> Yeah. a double vac.

>> Yes. Yes. Yes.

Anyway,

>> I thought you were not supposed to get

COVID or or spread COVID. That's

>> Michael got it first. Then we live way

out in the bush. We're an hour from the

town on 450 acres.

>> Mhm.

>> So, when I got it, I the first 24 hours

I had a terrible migraine, so I just

went to bed. And the next 48 hours I had

a high fever. I never take my

temperature. I know I've got a fever.

>> Yeah.

>> And people say, "What did you do?" who I

said nothing

>> cuz I live in a body that can heal. I

laid my body on nature's operating

table. It's called bed.

>> Mhm.

>> I slept a lot.

>> And when I got a little bit too hot, I

would I would douse myself with water.

Water puts the fire out and I drank a

lot of water.

>> And I had not a hot shower, not a cold,

a teepid shower. If I was near the

creek, I would have just dived in. But

it was a 5minute walk. When you got a

fever, you don't want to walk.

>> Crampy. So, you didn't do that.

>> You don't want to walk. And on the

fourth day, I opened my eyes. I felt

great. I had no fever. See, I love

fevers because what they do is they give

an incredible boost to your immune

system.

>> And they also kill off harmful

pathogens. See, God put fevers in the

body for a purpose.

>> Yes.

>> So, that's what I say to mothers. My

child's got a fever. I say it's

wonderful.

>> Yeah, his immune system's working

>> and it'll be working even better after

that fever because that fever fever

reaches right into the bone marrow where

our immune system is made.

>> But just keep that baby well hydrated.

>> And if they're as long as they're taking

in fluids, then

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Just let them let them ride it out.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah. You know, I I think that if we I

said this before the podcast, but if we

would get back to what God gave us, less

of what man makes us.

>> Oh, yes.

>> Um just as a general rule of thumb.

>> Oh, yeah. you know, whole food diet, um,

mobility, you know, exercise, purpose,

connection, nature. You know, I I have

this home in Miami, which, um, uh, we

live in this condo in Miami, and it's

got every biohacking device you can

imagine. So, I don't have a watch

problem or a car problem. I have a

biohacking problem. Um, and it's a real

problem. Like, if there was a biohacking

rehab, I would probably check myself in.

Um, you know, so hyperaric chambers and

red light and PMF, but we also have a uh

we have a one-bedroom log cabin in

Colorado off the grid.

>> Um, it has solarfed electricity,

glacierfed spring water, well, and

septic. I drink the water right out of

the well.

>> Um, and I'll wake up there and I put on

this 20 lb rucks sack and I have this

three and a half mile loop in the woods.

>> When I get back from that loop, I feel

like I took a limitless pill.

>> Oh yeah. like I won the lottery. And I

say it all the time. And um

>> and I and I hope you dive into the Coal

Creek after that.

>> I do. I bought I since I since I don't

have a cold plunge, I I bought a $165

cattle trough from Tractor Supply. It's

an aluminum. It's an aluminum cattle

trough. And the water comes out of the

glacier about 43 44 degrees.

>> Yeah. So I I fill it with the glacier

water and then I just jump right in

there and I look out at the meadow. But

don't you think it's the most wonderful

feeling when you are so hot and sweaty

>> to dive into that cold plunge? It's just

incredible.

>> And then I go, my wife hates this part,

but then I go back in the house and I'm

like Captain Chatty because I think it's

all the dopamine and norepinephrine and

I want to just talk to somebody. She's

the only one available. So I just

>> I say to people, I say, "Forget the

coffee."

>> Yeah. Oh no, you don't need any coffee.

I call it my drug of choice because

nothing makes me feel better for longer.

>> I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree.

And you get addicted to it because you

feel so good.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We never we never want to

leave there and it's it always just

reminds me that, you know, it's just

back to those

>> so nice. You've got that place.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's our It's definitely our

happy place. We spent almost three

months there this summer. And sometimes

when I go back to Miami, it almost seems

a little surreal, you know, concrete

jungle. I remember actually one time I

was I took my family on a 10-day uh

extreme vacation to Costa Rica. So, we

went to Costa Rica and every day we did

something else. We canered, we did

whitewater rafting, we did ziplining, we

did all this stuff and I literally woke

up uh in the jungle, this place called

the Pakori Lodge. Beautiful, by the way,

if you ever go to Costa Rica. And um and

but I had an uh an event that evening in

Miami. So, I took like a 4:30 a.m.

shuttle to the airport. I flew to Miami.

I got off. It was at a nightclub called

Live Nightclub in Miami. So I woke up in

the jungle and that afternoon I walked

into this nightclub dur that was set up

for this lecture and I go

>> this is all

>> It just felt it felt so surreal like I

wanted to go back to the jungle.

>> You're on another planet.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And it just I mean the cars going

by and the beeping and the honking and

the lights and the concrete jungle. It

just it felt so surreal like that felt

odd,

>> not the and it only took me 10 days. Um,

not the the jungle I'd come out of, but

so many people are on this healing

journey, if you will, and this search

for uh I call it the search for normaly.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, I think that's where most addiction

begins is the search for normaly, not

the search for high. And so in the

search for normaly in the search for

being optimally healthy, when we talk

about the gut microbiome and the immune

system, what are just some practical

tips that you could give to working

mothers who have to wake up in the

morning, get a kid to school, take care

of their husband, maybe even have a

career during the day. They're coming

home.

>> Yeah.

>> They can't go out and forest bathe. Um,

you know, four or five things would you

say? turn your bathtub into a cold

punch, would you say?

>> Well, well, that's that's where I was.

>> So, I was pregnant or breastfeeding

non-stop 14 years

>> clearly because of the number of

grandchildren you have.

>> Yes. Yes. And I'm in a rainforest.

>> You got a good factory.

>> And uh and I'm homeschooling my children

and I've got no electricity.

>> So, how I did it was I planned my day. I

planned my day.

>> So, mothers, please go to bed early. I

used to breastfeed my babies to sleep

and I usually stayed asleep with them.

>> Yeah.

>> And that allowed me to get up early

>> when you can access. In fact, I read in

one book they called the hours of goal.

>> That early morning when it's quiet cuz

just picture I had to light the fire to

cook my breakfast.

>> Wow.

>> But early morning I could go to bed

early because I went to bed early. A lot

of mothers when the kids go to sleep

then they do their work. No, no, no, no.

You access those hours before midnight.

>> The old saying is an hour before

midnight is worth two after.

>> I've heard that.

>> Yeah. Yep. And the science shows that to

be correct.

>> Okay.

>> So, you go to bed early then you can get

up early and often you've got an hour or

two there. What you do then compared to

what you would do before midnight, you

get twice as much done.

>> So those early nights also keep

hydrated. Go to bed with a glass of

water next to your bed. I see you've got

the Baja salt there with all of its

minerals. Little little bit of salt and

and the glass of water. So, they're two

absolutely vital and exercise.

>> And mothers say, "But I'm busy all day."

Yeah, but get outside. Get on that

trampoline with the kids. Get a bike and

ride the bike. Put the baby in the

backpack. But but movement and food is

very important. So, what's great for

working mothers is a slow cooker.

>> You can put you can put the millet or

you can put the rice or you can put the

lentils in the slow cooker overnight.

And that's how the Scottish always got

away with eating oats

>> is they'd soak them all day and put them

on the fuel stove overnight and that

actually disarms the lectins.

>> Ah, it does. So, cooking actually.

>> So, yep. One lady told me, she said, "I

use a slow cooker overnight for the

millet and I use and as soon as soon as

I've washed it, I put the lentils in

there for lunch." She said, "My slow

cooker is always going."

>> Really? That's a great idea. So, slow

cooker bed getting to bed early. I mean,

I' I've often heard sleep as being

called our superpower.

>> It is.

>> The human superpower. What's so

important about sleep? Like what's going

on during sleep? That's so

>> Well, I I give people God's perfect

mathematical form.

>> Eight hours to work, eight hours to

play, eight hours to sleep.

>> Work, play, and sleep. All very

important. Most people overdo the work

bit.

>> Not enough play. I see that you play in

your white water rafting.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's very important. And the

sleep. So, especially the hours before

midnight. There's a book called Why We

Sleep by Dr. from Matthew Walker

>> and is that the blonde one that I

>> Yeah. Yeah, I've seen him on Joe Rogan.

>> Yeah, he's really good. He goes right

into all the processes that happen in

the night. There's a cleaning process

that's cleaning up any little calcified

plaques on our

>> on our front part of our brain. And

you'll find that people that have

regular late nights,

>> that's a contributing factor to

Alzheimer's. I don't know anyone that

wants to get that. That's enough to get

us to bed early. In fact, if Margaret

Thatcher had known that, I think she

would have gone to bed early.

>> Yeah.

>> But also, what's happening in the night

is a processing system happens or a

filing system of all the day's events.

>> And if we don't if if we don't go to bed

in those early hours, then our short

range memory unit isn't totally emptied

ready for the next day's memories.

>> So, that's another process.

>> Yeah. but also our invention, our

creativity

>> that's that's happening especially in

the early hours of the morning. So the

cleanup is happening more uh before

midnight.

>> Uh the um the filing before midnight

>> and

after midnight then then it's more the

um the processing. It's more the uh

inventions, the dreaming and he shows me

and he and consolidation of what we've

learned

>> and he's got incredible figures in there

because

>> as a I think he worked in Oxford. He had

the opportunity to

>> to test out on quite a few of his

students. Some slept for eight hours,

some slept for six and the difference in

what the 8our sleepers retained compared

to the 6our sleeper.

>> Wow. And now I know one podcast he gives

where he gets everyone's attention is

men are more verile if they have more

sleep and get those

>> soon as you start talking about that.

Yeah. You get you got everyone's

attention. You got everyone's attention.

So it's so funny because you know when

you look at verality and you know sperm

counts at least in the United States are

going down by a percent

>> every year. Oh yeah.

>> And infertility is rising. Oh yeah. by

the divergence of these.

>> It's very scary.

>> In fact, my um uh a good friend of my

wife's just before I walked into this

podcast did a post about her finally

getting pregnant and her journey was

mind-numbing. the IVF, the the blood

filters, the, you know, she flew all

over the world, 200 doctor's visits, and

eventually what she found was uh

catering to her mitochondria. Um, she

did a mitochondrial program, and I

actually want to delve into it. Um, and

this mitochondrial repair, which a lot

of that was related to sleep.

>> Um, this mitochondrial repair. Um, and

thanks, she got pregnant. I think the

body knows,

>> uh, when you're in this constant

sympathetic state of stress.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Right. Um, and we know too now that, you

know, people say, well, how is stress

related to disease or pathology or

autoimmune? Well, it's directly related

to our immune system.

>> Are you ready? Are you ready for the

explanation?

>> This is why I'm excited for this

explanation.

>> It's it's absolutely so. And I'm I'm so

glad that you talked about the

sympathetic compared to the

parasympathetic. And what

>> one thing that really affects that is

breath.

So, I love the verse in the Bible. It's

it's um Genesis 2:7. It says, "God for

man from the dust of the ground and

breathe into his nostrils."

>> Got that? Not mouth to mouth. M

>> breathe into his nostrils the breath of

life. He became a living soul. Nose is

for breathing.

>> Mouth is for eating, drinking, uh

speaking, singing, kissing.

>> But nose

>> and nose alone is for breathing. Now

when you breathe through your nose with

your abdominal muscles, you stimulate

your parasympathetic nervous system. And

your parasympathetic nervous system is

your peaceful calming nervous system.

But when you're breathing mouth, high

chest, that stimulates the sympathetic

nervous system. And the sympathetic

nervous system is your fight and your

flight. So

>> the that has a direct effect, but also

before midnight,

>> healing accelerates.

>> So lack of sleep has a direct effect not

only in the functioning of our brain,

but also the functioning of our body,

the healing of our body, our immune

system. It's all connected. So in

medicine today the the head's usually

cut off.

>> Yes.

>> So you've got psychiatrist and they

never talk about the body. Then you've

got

>> body but they never talk about the mind

and another things cut off is the teeth.

>> Oh yeah.

>> And well that that well we could spend a

few hours on that one.

>> Yeah. You know I I have to say that um I

I it's not that I wasn't a believer. I

just was unaware of the impact of the

oral microbiome and uh things like um

root canals. I I actually uh have a very

good friend I'm actually interviewing

Dr. Dom today who's one of the great

biologic dentists of our time. He

trained a physician named uh Dr. Gandhi

Jagar Gandhi Jigar Gandhi. And uh I bit

down on something one day and I cracked

one of my teeth and I was like the

dentist and I hate the dentist. And so I

text my friend Dr. Gandhi and he said

take a picture of it. So I took a

picture and I sent it to him and he said

um just from this picture of my cracked

tooth um he could tell I had a root

canal and he said uh let me ask you

something. Does your left uh you have

any issues with your left anterior

shoulder? Yep. That's really weird

because I I thought I had like a minor

bicep tear and it always bothers me in

the gym right there. And and um and then

he said, "Do you ever get left lower

lobe lung pain?" I go, "Well, now you're

starting to freak me out because

whenever I do hits cardio, I get a catch

right here." And I always thought that

it was just my diaphragm, you know, just

like a runner's cramp. And then I kid

you not, he said, "Does your left toe

ever go numb?" I go, "I'm getting

goosebumps actually telling you this

because I go, "Okay, now you have

substantially freaked me out. I've never

told anyone. My wife's always teased me

because I would tap my foot on the

ground or sometimes I would actually

take my shoe off and itch my left toe."

And he said, "Yeah, that's your 19th

tooth meridian. It's uh you had a root

canal there and you've got a cavitation,

probably an infection there." I go, "How

do you know all that from the picture of

my tooth?" So, I went up and saw him and

you know, sure enough, he he did the

cone beam X-ray. I had a big cavitation

right in there and he went in, fixed it,

red light, packed it with plate rich

fibon, capped it. 48 hours later, to

this day, I have had that pain.

>> So, I became an evangelist for uh the

oral microbiome. I went way down the

rabbit hole. I went and sought out Dr.

met with him and um so many of these

root canal you know dentistry

>> I know I know you

>> they think you can leave dead tissue in

the body

>> you that's right that's right and

>> no area of medicine thinks

>> we have I have had so many stories of

people

>> and root canals yeah

>> so what is your advice or your thesis on

the oral microbiome and dental you said

we could spend a podcast on it, but

let's just spend a few minutes on it and

just highlight the importance of it and

what people can do to care for it.

>> Well, one very simple thing that you can

do every day is oil pulling.

>> That's putting the coconut oil in the

mouth and swishing and when it hits

>> But they say you got to do it 20

minutes, Barbara. That's so long.

>> Nah, forget it. Forget it. I can't do it

for 20 minutes.

>> Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that cuz

I'm like, okay,

>> 10 minutes is enough.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. I You're like me, but we haven't

got time for something.

>> I don't have time for this nonsense.

>> No. So, you know what I do? When I get

back from plunge, you know, running up

and down hills and plunging in the

creek, I'll I'll have some water, then

I'll put it in while I prepare

breakfast. I just sort of sit there and

swish.

>> But what that does is it pulls waste out

of the tongue. It pulls waste out of the

glands under the tongue. It pulls waste

out of the blood vessels under the

tongue. But it also nourishes the

>> the gums.

they often get forgotten

>> and it gives a better microbiome in the

mouth and then you release it out and

when you release it out you you're

releasing the waste that it's all pulled

out. So, the oil pulling is really good,

but also when you clean your teeth, uh

use a use a um use a toothpaste that

doesn't have sugar, that doesn't have

fluoride, and you can get some great

ones and often uh xylitol because that's

also a little bit anti- anti- uh

>> anti antipathogenic

microbial. Yeah.

>> So, it's just keeping that great

microbiome in your mouth. That's very

important. And of course, our teeth,

they're bathed by fluid from the outside

and fluid fluid from the inside.

>> And it's what we eat and what we drink

and how we live that influences those

fluids that are bathing and

strengthening the teeth.

>> You know, I' I've since that encounter

with Dr. Gandhi. Every day I I don't do

the oil pulling as often as I should.

When I'm home, I do it. Um, but I floss

every night. I tongue scrape every

morning. Uh, I've dropped the fluoride

toothpaste. So, I use a hydroxy appatite

toothpaste. Um, and it I can see night

and day difference. Not my teeth don't

hurt that. My gums aren't sensitive when

I when I brush them anymore. So, that I

I think it all begins here, right?

>> It does. I went uh I've got a friend,

you might know him, Dr. Goran,

>> he's in Harley Street, and he saw my

teeth last year, and he said, "Oh,

there's one on the side. there's just a

little bit of I don't know whether I'd

call it decay, you know, in the side of

the tooth. He just looked at me again.

He said, "Oh, it hasn't changed."

>> You know, that's an indication that my

nutritional status is good.

>> Yeah. Because you're blocking that

pathology from

>> Yeah. I'm not taking anything in that's

chemical. I don't let any harmful things

go into my body.

>> But it's also exercise. It's also early

nights. It's also keeping well hydrated.

So, it's

>> And you're not afraid of the sun,

probably. No, I'm not.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've been taught to

fear the sun. I saw an interesting graph

of the parabolic rise in skin cancer.

>> Superimposable with the parabolic use of

sunscreen.

>> Absolutely. Ian Whisart, he's an author

that talks about that.

>> In fact, that's it. That was it.

>> He even claims that sunscreens are

causing basilc cell carcinomomas.

>> Yeah. Because of the inflammatory

process,

>> because of the vitamin D deficiency.

>> Yeah. I mean this that that's arguably I

would say maybe vitamin D and maybe zinc

but um probably from from what I've read

the two greatest nutrient deficiencies

in the human body and when you think

about when God made us he made us with

the ability to make one vitamin

>> we only make vitamin D3 we don't make

any other vitamins I mean without eating

drinking ingesting um you know we make

it from sunlight and cholesterol

>> um and we've also vilified cholesterol

And we if only we had another few hours,

we could go to cholesterol, but we

haven't got time to go there.

>> Well, let's touch on it really quick

before we wind the podcast.

>> How can we do that?

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the ultimate human podcast. I think the

first thing we could do is maybe dispel

the myth that LDL cholesterol on its own

is the marker for cardiovascular

disease. Um, we found I can tell you

what the big data says that there was no

correlation between elevated levels of

LDL cholesterol on its own and

cardiovascular disease. Now it became a

a marker when you had elevated

triglycerides and you had presence of

lipo little A and lipo B and some some

of these other things. But cholesterol

is a a construction material.

>> Oh it absolutely is. And I love what Dr.

Malcolm Kendrick said in his book the

great cholesterol con. He said for the

first time normal levels of a normal

vital body substance is been caused a

disease.

>> So then the question is well what causes

heart disease? Do you know it's exactly

the same as when I cut my hand, the

blood clots

>> and you damage the arterial wall, the

blood clots

>> and it starts to clot. And if it keeps

getting damaged, the clots keep coming.

>> And so what's damaging it? All the

environmental poisons we're exposed to.

The cheap seed oils. I say to people,

walk straight past them. Don't touch

them.

>> They get into the blood. They damage the

tissues. Micotoxins damage the tissues.

Mercury damages the those little

endothelon cells. Now lining the

endothelium is a little hairy layer

called the glycoallex

>> and that protects the endothelium and

when people are on high sugar high

carbohydrate diet it actually kills and

knocks off the glycalus. So you see

there's all of that.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what's causing heart disease.

>> Yeah. And you know cholesterol is one of

those things that gets called to the

site of inflammation or damage. It

doesn't just

>> well the other thing is when they have

tested those plaques they find fat in

there cholesterol type fat. But when you

realize that the membrane around every

red blood cell is 50% fat

>> and what's the clot made out of?

>> Platelets and dead red blood cells. So

they test it and they see the fat, but

it's actually the the uh structure of

the membrane around the red blood cell.

>> I'm reading a book called The Clot

Thickens by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick.

>> Really?

>> Yes.

>> The clot thickens. I'm going to read

that.

>> And he Oh, he's

>> So these are so red blood cells, which

do have a phospholipid billayer, right?

This makes sense to me. Um have a

phosphoipid blayer, get called to the

site of injury to create a clot. Let's

just call it that for a moment.

>> And then after the hemoglobin

is extracted, you have the phospholipid

blayer fat that is now creating this

sticky

>> and they're pointing to cholesterol.

>> And that brings us to nitric oxide

>> which only is released when we nose

breathe. And nitric oxide is a vasod

diilator.

>> But nitric oxide also stimulates new

endothelium cells. And the glycalis,

the glycoal, that's that little furry

lining on the endothelium,

>> it releases nitric oxide.

>> So when the high sugar diet has knocked

off all the glycolaxis,

>> you've actually lost your nitric oxide

from there. Nitric oxide is also

released in nose breathing. So

everyone's all clogged up because

they're on the high wheat, high sugar

diet. So they're breathing with their

mouth. So they're not getting nitric

oxide there.

>> Can you see that?

>> That's one of the reasons why I I'll

mouth tape sometimes at night.

>> Oh, it's a great idea.

>> And I actually do notice my sleep scores

improve.

>> And I've noticed that you didn't die.

>> That's a great observation.

>> Most people,

>> which is the Yeah. Is the is the key

feature of a healer. So is is

observation. So you noticed that I was

alive.

>> Yeah. Well, that's what people think.

They think they're going to die if they

tape their mouth up. Mhm.

>> They do. Well, you will if your nose is

all congested.

>> It's an excellent book, Breath. James

Nester, he it's a fantastic read and I

love the way he quotes many other

scientists, researchers, doctors who've

come to the same conclusion. He presents

his case, which I I really like, and he

shows that the more we nose breathe, the

more the little canals open up.

>> So, the more we mouth breathe, the more

they close. M I mean that's kind of true

with every physiologic process in the

body. The body has a way of ignoring

things that we don't use. If you put a

cast on your ankle, it atrophies.

>> You don't use it, you'll lose it. Same

with the brain.

>> Yeah, very true. So, final thing I want

to touch on um is the brain. And you

know there's I I think some of the

greatest fear especially in the older

population is Alzheimer's, dementia,

neuro neurodeenerative decline,

neurocognitive decline, whatever you

want to call that. Um obviously living a

lifestyle of whole foods, movement,

sunlight, grounding, breath work, those

things are they really are medicine. Um,

but if somebody particularly wants to

care for their brain, they're noticing

that they have a family history of

cognitive decline or neurodeenerative

disorders. Um, they're noticing the

brain fog sort of start to creep in.

It's getting increasingly more

disruptive to their daily life. What, if

anything, can they do specifically for

the brain?

>> Well, I always want to know the cause

>> and I'm a Bible student. There's no

mention of Alzheimer's

>> in the Bible. The Bible spans thousands

of years.

>> In fact, you look at 150 years ago, it

was quite rare. So, we've got to look at

what's happening, what has happened.

>> And a lot of the time it is damage.

Damage to the cells. What causes the

damage? Mercury is a big one. We've got

to get it out of the teeth, out of the

fish,

>> and also out of the flu vaccine. I heard

that Robert Kennedy Jr. recently took it

out of the flu vaccine. That was good

news. Do you know it's just little by

little by little. And I mentioned

earlier lack of sleep.

>> Um Margaret Thatcher boasted she only

needed 5 hours sleep a night. Ronald

Reagan boasted he only needed 5 hours

sleep a night. And I'm sure it wasn't

5:00 p.m. to 10 p.m.

>> 1:00 a.m. to 6 a.m. probably.

>> Yes. And they they both ended last 20

years of their life with severe

dementia. I'm not saying it is just lack

of sleep. That's one of the factors and

in every case it can be different

factors. So we got to get to bed early.

>> Hydration. We saw one lady come with

dementia. She wouldn't even look at you.

She's just looking through you.

>> Yeah.

>> We found out she hadn't wasn't drinking

water. Hadn't been open to bowels for 6

days.

>> Oh my god.

>> We got the bowels moving. We got her

hydrated. Within 48 hours there was no

sign of dementia.

>> So can you see there's different there's

there's water. There's good salts, which

is the best way to hydrate. There's

>> You actually turned me on to that. I saw

a lecture you did where you put Celtic

salt right on the on the tongue.

>> I think that's my most famous lecture.

>> Is it? Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one.

>> And you know what? Every

>> And I went deep down the rabbit hole on

salt. And you're right. We've been lied

to about salt, too.

>> And you know what everyone loved about

that? By the way, it's easy to do,

>> right?

>> Anyone can

>> No, that bag of salt will cost you, I

don't know, $10 and it'll probably last

you.

>> It'll last you a long time. I've got a

store that I travel with.

>> I'll give you that one before you leave.

>> So,

>> it's great.

>> There's also So, can you see in every

case it can be slightly different,

>> but there are some fundamentals

>> there is. And uh I love the saying I

read in an old book, many might be well

if only they thought so.

>> That's a great one.

>> I love that.

>> So true.

>> So, if someone thinks they're going to

get dementia, they probably will.

>> Mhm. And

>> the Bible says that, too. So a man

thinkketh, he shall become.

>> As a man thinkketh in his heart, so is

he.

>> And a lady said to me one day, "I can't

sleep. I can't sleep. I can't sleep." I

said, "Don't say that anymore." She

said, "Why not?"

>> I said, "Because every cell in your body

is listening."

>> And it says, "Looks like we can't

sleep."

>> Yeah. And so when you lay down to sleep,

you go, "This is something I don't do

well."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And they all say, "Oh, yeah, we're

listening." So what I say is, just say,

"I'm going to try.

>> I'm going to get there." Like my

daughter Emma, she said, "Mom, I'm going

to grow up in a minute."

>> She was five.

>> Yeah. You know,

>> it

>> took her another 10 years. It It's

actually your words have a had an effect

on your mind.

>> You know, it reminds me of a funny story

just popped in my mind years ago. I I

had a friend named Mark Goodman. He had

this home on a island, You Island, and

and all the kids and I used to go out

there and we were participating in this

fishing tournament one day. So all the

kids had those little, you know, ones

that you the line you unwrap and we had

chicken down and we're catching fish

>> uh on the pier. It's all line with

families and kids and this little girl,

she was probably 10 years old. She falls

into the water and she starts thrashing

around and she's starts screaming and uh

all the parents from the other uh you

know pier all jump in. They're all

making their way over to her and my

partner is right next to her and I know

he's not doing anything and he just

yells at her. He goes, "Stand up." And

she stood up and it was like less than

wasty water cuz I was coming down the

pier and you know and he was just so

calm and he let her thrash for a second

and he said, "Stand up." And then she

just stood up and it was like literally

below her waist. So by the time all the

parents who are now soaking wet in all

their clothes, you know, and all the

moms the hats flying off had made their

way over to her, she was just standing

up. So sometimes the solutions right in

front of us,

>> you know, it it often very much is. So

really, we we got to tick the boxes.

>> Yeah,

>> we got to tick the boxes now.

>> Keep keep that body moving. Keep that

colon working. have the And if you're

well hydrated and you're eating lots of

plants, it it it will and relax, laugh

more.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you know children laugh 125 times a

day?

>> Adults maybe.

>> And you know, my my daughter-in-law told

me this that her her little grandson

Sunny, the guy that stood on the dusty

n, he called her in one night and said,

"Mom, she's put him to bed." He said,

"What is it?" He said, "I found a new

laugh."

>> She said, "What is it?" And he went,

That's so good.

>> You know, we we should laugh more

because agree. Member of the Bru social.

>> Yeah. Sense of community and purpose.

Barbara, you're amazing. Um, where can

my audience find you if they want to

know more about you?

>> I'm about to make an official statement.

>> Official Barbara

>> O'Neal.com.

>> Barbara official

is official.

>> Do you have a book? I have a couple of

books.

>> I was going to say you really need a

book and I'm going to read them.

>> I've got I've got a book on micotoxins.

>> You do.

>> I'm so happy to hear you talk about

micotoxins.

>> Oh, mold and micotoxins

>> because that's an area many people don't

know about because of the ignorance.

I've written a book on it and it's

called self-heal by design.

>> Do you talk about detoxing from mold and

microtoxin?

>> The true role of microorganisms in

disease

>> and that was my first book. I think I

wrote that in about 2016. Now my most

recent book that was published last year

is called sustain me and sustain me is

an acronym for the basic laws of health.

Sustain me is a handbook on natural

therapies. I have a chapter on

hydrotherapy a chapter on pulvises have

I start at the head. I look at ears are

the eyes ears uh respiratory I go into

the stomach bones. So it's like a

handbook on natural remedies.

>> Fantastic. My husband has written a book

called The Assassination of Barbara

O'Neal.

>> Wow, that will be a good one.

>> Now, as you can see, I have not been

assassinated.

>> Yes. I would say we should change the

title maybe to the unsuccessful

assassination.

>> But I said to Michael I said to Michael,

"That's a bit strong." He said, "No,

it's good."

>> Yeah. No, it it'll get it'll get

attention.

>> And it it's basically a book of uh why I

was banned and what the Australian

government did to me.

>> Fantastic. Well, um, we're going to go

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same question. Um, there's no right or

wrong answer to this question. What does

it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

>> What it means to me to be an ultimate

human is I

I want to be able to help others get the

most out of their life.

>> And I'm a very shy, quiet lady. I was

living in a rainforest with all my

children, never dreaming what God had

planned for me.

>> But I am married to a man who said to

me, "I hate health lectures, but yours

make sense."

And he really has been the one that has

pushed me forward and pushed me forward.

And the most wonderful thing for me is

I'm walking along the street and some

like last night waiting for the Uber and

a young man, he looked like he was 25.

He said, "Are you this lady here?" He

had me on the

>> I said, "I am." He said, "You saved my

life."

>> Ah,

>> he said, "I I can't believe that I'm a

He said, "Thank you.

>> Thank you. That's why I do it.

>> That's why I do it. And I believe that

we are here for each other.

>> I agree.

>> Absolutely. For each other. And if I can

make a difference in only one person's

life,

>> well, you made a difference in a lot. Um

and that that happens to me too. And it

is chicken soup for the soul when it

does.

>> Is some people say you must be sick of

this. I said never.

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