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Court!
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The whole case against them
is a fiction.
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It's a lie. The entire prosecution case
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rested on this... fragment
of electronic circuit board.
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It was a clue,
but no one could identify it
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until a forensic scientist at
the FBI did nearly a year later.
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He matched it to timers they'd seized
from Libyan Intelligence agents.
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British forensic scientists
agreed with the FBI.
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Similar in all respects.
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The timers that the fragment
circuit board came from
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were made by MEBO, a Swiss
company owned by Edwin Bollier.
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Yes, we supplied Libya
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with 20 of these timers.
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MEBO used long delay timers,
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which are manually set to trigger the
bomb's detonator hours in advance.
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So my question is, why put
the bomb onto two flights,
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Malta to Frankfurt,
Frankfurt to Heathrow,
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before it goes on the plane you want
to blow up? It doesn't make sense.
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You run the risk of
your suitcase being found
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by security at three airports.
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It's clearly a ludicrous basis
for a prosecution.
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Next...
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Tony Gauci.
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Now, he claims that Megrahi
bought from his shop
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the clothes that were wrapped around
the bomb inside the suitcase.
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But a year before he identified
Megrahi, he mentioned someone else.
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Abu Talb, a terrorist with links
to Palestinian militant groups
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operating out of Syria.
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One of the Scottish Police's
first suspects.
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The whole prosecution case against
Fhimah and Megrahi is full of holes.
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It was presented as a foregone
conclusion from the very first day.
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These men are guilty.
We will get a conviction.
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Murtagh represented
the US Department of Justice.
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He said that before the trial began,
but nothing has been proven.
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But if it wasn't them, then who?
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Iran. Syria.
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- But, Jim, they moved on from them.
- There's more.
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One of the prosecution's last witnesses
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was a German Police explosives expert.
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They wanted him to destroy
the Palestinian theory.
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Remember the initial suspects,
the PFLP-GC?
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Well, he did the opposite.
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Flight 103 could only have been
brought down by a PFLP-GC device
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if it had been primed
or put on board at Heathrow.
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And a baggage handler at
Heathrow saw two suitcases.
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There was two new suitcases
lying in the container.
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I didn't put them there.
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Was the bomb that killed Flora
in one of those suitcases?
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Was the bomb loaded
onto the plane at Heathrow?
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Is Iran behind it? Is Syria?
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Did a member of the PFLP-GC
put the suitcase there?
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Nothing in this whole case
adds up. Nothing.
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Fhimah and Megrahi are both innocent.
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Would you give me please your verdict
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in respect of the named accused,
Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah?
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Not guilty.
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Would you give me please your verdict
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in respect of the named accused,
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi?
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Guilty.
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He can't be...
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He can't...
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..for the crime of
murder is 20 years...
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...life imprisonment...
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...and that is the
sentence that we impose.
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Jim?
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Jim! Quick, get someone, please!
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He's collapsed. Please, help me.
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- Please, help me.
- Can we get someone in here?
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Please get someone.
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Jim, Jim, it's alright.
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- Jim, it's alright.
- Need a doctor.
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It's alright, Jim. Please...
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Coming to us live from New York.
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Reports are reaching us of a collision
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involving a passenger plane
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which appears to have struck
the World Trade Centre.
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Let's go over
to our colleagues in New York.
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..tip of Manhattan, you're
looking at the World Trade Centre.
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We understand that a plane has
crashed into the World Trade Centre.
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We don't know anything more than that.
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We don't know if it was
a commercial aircraft.
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We don't know if it was
a private aircraft.
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We have no idea how many were on board,
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or what the extent
of the injuries are right now.
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Oh... Oh, my God!
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A second plane.
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It looks like a second plane
has hit the south tower
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of the World Trade Centre.
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Oh... Oh...
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My God... Um, it looks...
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to be a passenger jet.
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The second plane...
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Fucking terrorists.
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Good luck with your appeal now, huh?
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These acts of mass murder
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were intended to frighten our nation
into chaos and retreat.
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But they have failed.
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These terrorists
will regard us all as targets.
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More Muslim terror.
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Forget political correctness.
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Racially profile... Racial factor.
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..number of hate crimes-
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Four attempted arson
attacks on Arab businesses.
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- Muslims threatened with gunfire.
- The target of hate...
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- War on terror.
- War on terror.
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- Terrorist.
- Terrorist.
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Terrorism must be fought resolutely.
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We will find those who did it.
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We'll smoke them out of their holes
and we'll bring them to justice.
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After a year of witnesses testifying,
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al-Megrahi's appeal
against his life sentence
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was refused earlier today
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by a panel of five judges
at Camp Zeist, who concluded
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that none of the grounds
of his appeal were well-founded.
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No surprises there.
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Mr Al Megrahi has been
flown to Scotland,
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where he will serve
his 20-year life term
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here at Barlinnie Prison,
outside Glasgow.
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You better fucking watch yourself.
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Youse gonna die, you dirty rag-head!
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Welcome to Scotland.
You're screwed, pal.
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If you want room service, just ring.
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How are you, darling?
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Exhausted.
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- Sleep-deprived.
- Doesn't show.
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Much.
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Do you mind her being in here?
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Her name's Isabel, Jim.
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It's a bit odd, but...
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I know why you've done it.
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I want this room used again.
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How are you, Dad?
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Oh, you know...
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No, I don't.
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It's very difficult, obviously.
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Megrahi lost his appeal.
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- He's in prison now over...
- Shall we go downstairs, let her sleep?
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But trying to get any information
about how he is,
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- is proving impossible.
- You're still convinced of his innocence?
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Of course.
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You only have to
look at his failed appeal.
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All kinds of new evidence heard,
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new information about
the shopkeeper, Heathrow.
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You know there was a break-in?
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He has to appeal again.
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- Jim! Jim! Jim, please.
- He has to show...
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- Hello?
- Hey, Jim. Good news.
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I've just heard Megrahi is being
granted application
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- for a second appeal.
- Oh, that is fantastic.
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He's also got rid of his legal team,
hired a new lawyer, Roddy McGill.
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- He was with Fhimah's defence team.
- Yeah, well, Megrahi is obviously
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hoping for the Midas touch.
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Also, Jim, I found a detective who was
on the original investigation.
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He wants to talk. Oh, I've gotta go.
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Bryan?
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What the hell are you doing here?
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- I said no.
- Oh, you phoned me...
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Aye, then I thought better of it.
Now, fuck off.
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Look, I remember talking to you
a few weeks after Lockerbie
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about the FBI, CIA. Possible
interference in the investigation.
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- Evidence tampering.
- I...
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I can't speak to you.
I'm still with the force.
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Why call me out of the blue
14 years later?
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You know there's been
a cover-up, don't you?
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You're looking in the wrong place.
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What do you mean?
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Bryan...
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
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Your source pan out?
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Uh, no. He got spooked.
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But, um, I'll give it
a couple more days
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and try again.
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I'd drop it, Guthrie.
There are bigger things going on.
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Mr McGill.
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I've got a Jim Swire here.
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It's very good to meet you, Mr McGill.
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Congratulations on getting Fhimah off.
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Well, we're hoping
for a repeat performance.
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Um... Shona Randall,
my senior associate.
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John Ashton, our researcher.
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As you can see, we're targeting
the prosecution's weak spots.
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Tony Gauci being a big one.
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I see you have
Robert Baer's name there.
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Ex-CIA case officer who was
based in the Middle East.
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You certainly need to talk to him.
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What he says in that book about
Iran being behind the bomb
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is potentially game-changing.
Yeah, I know, but...
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I've had no response
from him or his publisher.
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I do know he happens to have
a book tour coming up.
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- What are Megrahi's chances?
- I'd say it's pretty good.
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But it's up to the Scottish Criminal
Cases Review Commission, not us.
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I will never understand it.
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The prosecution built
its entire case around the claim
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- that they acted together.
- I mean, even the UN observer
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and the trial questioned how judges
came up with guilty in one case
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- and not guilty in the other.
- Well, we need to make sure
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the Review Commission
sees the absurdity of that.
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It's a total miscarriage of justice.
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As you can see, Dr Swire, we're in
the midst of doing exactly that.
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I want to visit Mr Megrahi.
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I fought long and hard for that trial.
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I want to meet him.
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All that blood on his hands.
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How can you, of all people,
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be able to be in the same room as him?
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Did you kill my daughter?
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No.
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I did not.
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Forgive me. I had to hear you say it.
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Sometimes...
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...it is best to be direct.
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You must have other questions.
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Ask.
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How are you?
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I will spend 20 years
in a foreign jail for a...
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crime I did not commit.
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My family have had to
move to this foreign country
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where they are abused
and attacked daily.
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I can't imagine what it must be
like for you, being in here.
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With your family having to suffer that.
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- Especially knowing what I know now.
- What do you know now?
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That the case against you is a sham.
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A travesty of justice.
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And I will do everything in my power
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to help you, Mr Megrahi.
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Get your conviction overturned.
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I...
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I am intrigued.
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It is to absolve your guilt?
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Like I said, Dr Swire,
sometimes it's best to be direct.
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You are here partly
because of my actions.
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Not a day goes by without
my bitterly regretting that.
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I was led to believe that the
evidence against you was watertight.
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- Incontestable.
- Yes.
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They did their best.
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They lied, deceived.
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They succeeded.
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Dr Swire...
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my country Libya is paying
for my legal fees.
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I have new legal team
after the failure...
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...of my first appeal.
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So, please tell me,
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why do I need you to help me?
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What do you expect, Dr Swire?
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I would embrace you as my saviour?
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No, that's not what I expect at all.
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I have to do something.
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Because if you do not...
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we may never find out
who killed your daughter.
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Yes.
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So in truth, it's not about
me at all, is it, Dr Swire?
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Perhaps not.
254
00:19:15,824 --> 00:19:17,344
Not entirely.
255
00:19:21,309 --> 00:19:23,549
I wear this badge for my daughter.
256
00:19:25,739 --> 00:19:28,299
And now wear it also for you,
Mr Megrahi.
257
00:19:30,673 --> 00:19:32,673
And simply for what it says.
258
00:19:34,558 --> 00:19:36,418
The truth must be known.
259
00:19:43,296 --> 00:19:44,556
Please...
260
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...call me Baset.
261
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I thought I might find you here.
262
00:20:02,458 --> 00:20:04,528
You're hard to get hold of these days.
263
00:20:05,081 --> 00:20:06,610
Good to see you, Jim.
264
00:20:06,756 --> 00:20:09,636
- How long has it been? Nearly a year?
- Something like that.
265
00:20:10,411 --> 00:20:13,371
- You on your way to Skye?
- I visited Barlinnie this morning.
266
00:20:15,664 --> 00:20:17,584
You never cease to amaze.
267
00:20:18,803 --> 00:20:21,073
What if I got you
an interview with Baset?
268
00:20:22,145 --> 00:20:24,484
- Baset?
- I can arrange it. I can speak to him,
269
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- speak to his appeal team...
- Megrahi's not news, Jim.
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The last time I wrote
anything about Lockerbie,
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buried on page eight, two columns.
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The world and my editor wants
9/11 and the war on terror.
273
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- I'm being left behind.
- You can interview both of us.
274
00:20:39,672 --> 00:20:42,857
The father of Flora Swire and the
innocent man convicted of her murder.
275
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Then the press would murder you, Jim.
276
00:20:45,168 --> 00:20:47,928
Believe me, that's not
the exposure you're wanting.
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The... Look, Jim...
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00:20:56,357 --> 00:20:57,700
The thing is,
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00:20:58,933 --> 00:21:00,693
most people think he did it.
280
00:21:03,931 --> 00:21:07,281
And now, most people
just want to forget.
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Bye, darling. Take care. Love you.
Drive safely now.
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I do.
283
00:22:16,141 --> 00:22:17,941
How was Cathy? Isabel?
284
00:22:22,087 --> 00:22:23,167
What?
285
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,239
It saddens me you have to ask that.
286
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:30,350
They're fine, Jim.
287
00:22:36,370 --> 00:22:37,690
How is he?
288
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Struggling.
289
00:22:42,581 --> 00:22:44,581
I think he appreciated my visit.
290
00:22:51,612 --> 00:22:53,292
Did you not want me to go?
291
00:22:54,446 --> 00:22:56,846
I'm not sure it matters
what I say anymore.
292
00:23:00,351 --> 00:23:02,666
He's all you talk about.
You know that, don't you?
293
00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:04,285
I'm trying to get him freed.
294
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:05,620
Hmm.
295
00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:11,132
You've not asked one of us
directly what we think.
296
00:23:11,963 --> 00:23:14,862
You've never wanted to sit down
and discuss it as a family.
297
00:23:14,855 --> 00:23:17,294
You just assume we're behind you,
supporting you.
298
00:23:17,288 --> 00:23:19,668
Is that what the children think?
299
00:23:23,224 --> 00:23:25,633
Well, why can't they just
come and speak to me?
300
00:23:25,628 --> 00:23:28,448
Because they don't think
you listen, Jim, and you don't.
301
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,600
You haven't noticed
they hardly come here anymore.
302
00:23:34,267 --> 00:23:36,187
There are too many bad memories.
303
00:23:36,621 --> 00:23:39,901
But this-this is where they grew up.
This is where they all grew up.
304
00:23:47,021 --> 00:23:48,875
I think we should move.
305
00:23:50,826 --> 00:23:52,325
I'm not leaving this house!
306
00:23:52,321 --> 00:23:54,981
I want to be closer to my
children, to my grandchildren.
307
00:23:56,532 --> 00:23:58,391
I want to be around life, not death.
308
00:23:58,387 --> 00:24:01,447
Not-Not death every
single minute of the day.
309
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,777
Would I rejoin the CIA if I was asked?
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00:24:14,287 --> 00:24:15,807
With all due respect,
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00:24:16,322 --> 00:24:19,122
have you read any of my books?
312
00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:26,700
Thank you.
313
00:24:29,568 --> 00:24:31,789
Jim Swire, as I live and breathe.
314
00:24:31,844 --> 00:24:33,823
Professional thorn in the side,
just like me.
315
00:24:33,818 --> 00:24:35,657
- How are you?
- It's good to meet you, Bob.
316
00:24:35,654 --> 00:24:37,973
This is John Ashton
from Megrahi's appeal team.
317
00:24:37,968 --> 00:24:40,567
Of course. Let me finish up here.
318
00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,782
I'll meet you guys in
the next room to this in ten.
319
00:24:43,255 --> 00:24:45,135
No prying ears.
320
00:24:45,303 --> 00:24:46,930
Damn good to meet you, Jim.
321
00:24:48,921 --> 00:24:51,800
Look, Lockerbie is very simple.
It was Iran's revenge.
322
00:24:51,953 --> 00:24:53,953
For the Americans
shooting down their Airbus?
323
00:24:54,148 --> 00:24:57,627
Like I say in the book, the CIA
had known about it all along.
324
00:24:57,619 --> 00:24:59,838
The bombing of Flight 103
was conceived,
325
00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:01,912
authorized and financed by Iran.
326
00:25:01,908 --> 00:25:04,987
They paid the Syrian-based
PFLP-GC to do it.
327
00:25:04,981 --> 00:25:07,820
The bomb was made
by a PFLP-GC bomb maker,
328
00:25:07,814 --> 00:25:09,734
a Jordanian named Marwan Khreesat.
329
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,782
We know that they were raided
by German police in October 1988.
330
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,258
- The Autumn Leaves operation.
- Yeah.
331
00:25:15,255 --> 00:25:17,014
They arrested
some of their main players,
332
00:25:17,010 --> 00:25:18,269
but others slipped through the net.
333
00:25:18,268 --> 00:25:20,787
They only found four explosive devices.
334
00:25:20,781 --> 00:25:22,940
Lost track of the fifth.
335
00:25:22,936 --> 00:25:25,775
I believe that was the bomb
that killed your daughter, Jim.
336
00:25:25,769 --> 00:25:27,389
Your guy, Megrahi,
337
00:25:27,704 --> 00:25:29,163
had nothing to do with it.
338
00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:30,680
You talk about a meeting.
339
00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:33,915
The Iranians met with
the PFLP-GC people in Beirut.
340
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:36,809
We had telephone intercepts
of them discussing it.
341
00:25:37,958 --> 00:25:39,558
Two days after Lockerbie,
342
00:25:39,834 --> 00:25:43,794
Iran transferred $11 million
into a PFLP-GC bank account.
343
00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:49,946
We have records of the transfer.
344
00:25:51,165 --> 00:25:53,825
Hell, we had ironclad proof.
345
00:25:53,972 --> 00:25:57,531
Handed over our intel to the US
Administration. What did they do?
346
00:25:57,789 --> 00:26:00,148
One look, quietly shelved it.
347
00:26:00,143 --> 00:26:01,922
- Why?
- There were bigger problems.
348
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,539
Like Saddam Hussein.
349
00:26:03,774 --> 00:26:07,729
Once he invaded Kuwait in 1990,
suddenly everything changed.
350
00:26:07,745 --> 00:26:10,824
We were at war, and we needed
Iran and Syria on our side,
351
00:26:10,816 --> 00:26:12,975
so the heat was off them,
sands shifted.
352
00:26:12,971 --> 00:26:15,170
- They pointed the finger at Libya.
- A rogue state,
353
00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:18,135
proven terrorist links, developing
weapons of mass destruction.
354
00:26:18,128 --> 00:26:19,978
Gaddafi was the top of our hit list.
355
00:26:20,134 --> 00:26:22,473
Plus, we needed to throw
some kind of bone
356
00:26:22,468 --> 00:26:24,368
to the victims' grieving families.
357
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:27,679
Libya was that bone.
358
00:26:30,777 --> 00:26:32,986
This has to go
into the submission, John.
359
00:26:32,981 --> 00:26:34,721
The Review Commission have
to know about this.
360
00:26:34,742 --> 00:26:36,836
Would you speak to them?
Go on the record?
361
00:26:36,832 --> 00:26:37,632
Sure.
362
00:26:37,631 --> 00:26:39,810
I'll talk to whoever you want,
but it won't make a difference.
363
00:26:40,004 --> 00:26:41,984
Right now, Libya is
right where we want them.
364
00:26:42,358 --> 00:26:44,598
Tomorrow, that could all be flipped.
365
00:26:44,832 --> 00:26:46,952
Libya has oil, remember.
366
00:26:47,226 --> 00:26:49,205
Suddenly Gaddafi will be back in
favour,
367
00:26:49,201 --> 00:26:51,160
or he'll buy his way back into favour.
368
00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:54,800
And Megrahi will stay guilty
for as long as they need him to.
369
00:26:56,642 --> 00:26:58,742
It's all transactional, Jim...
370
00:26:59,022 --> 00:27:00,229
so tread carefully.
371
00:27:00,252 --> 00:27:02,964
You don't want to be
on loose footing when the sands shift.
372
00:27:09,926 --> 00:27:13,225
There it is, our full
report ready to be submitted
373
00:27:13,218 --> 00:27:15,507
to the Scottish Criminal
Cases Review Commission.
374
00:27:15,503 --> 00:27:17,782
Where's the champagne, then?
375
00:27:17,777 --> 00:27:19,816
On ice. For now, it's the pub.
376
00:27:19,812 --> 00:27:21,752
We have to get it accepted first.
377
00:27:25,996 --> 00:27:28,555
We appreciate what you've
gone through to help out.
378
00:27:28,550 --> 00:27:30,949
How long will it take
the Review Commission to decide?
379
00:27:30,944 --> 00:27:33,484
Well, they're professionals,
they know what they're doing.
380
00:27:37,242 --> 00:27:38,288
Thank you.
381
00:27:38,286 --> 00:27:40,706
It's a man's incarceration
we're talking about.
382
00:27:42,921 --> 00:27:44,454
I'd say a year...
383
00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:47,527
...maybe less.
384
00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:13,263
They took their time...
385
00:28:13,498 --> 00:28:15,857
but the Review Commission have finally
386
00:28:15,852 --> 00:28:18,332
delivered their statement of reasons.
387
00:28:21,419 --> 00:28:23,239
They rejected all of our submissions.
388
00:28:23,433 --> 00:28:25,233
Shit.
389
00:28:29,897 --> 00:28:31,577
Apart from six.
390
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,959
Six grounds for referral
back to an Appeal Court.
391
00:28:42,466 --> 00:28:44,346
The first ground of referral.
392
00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:45,840
Unreasonable verdict.
393
00:28:45,837 --> 00:28:48,516
The judges were satisfied
the purchase of clothing
394
00:28:48,511 --> 00:28:51,990
was made from Gauci's shop on
December 7th, 1988,
395
00:28:51,982 --> 00:28:54,021
when Megrahi was in Malta.
396
00:28:54,017 --> 00:28:57,176
But Tony Gauci was never clear
on the exact purchase date.
397
00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,608
He tell the court a Libyan customer
buy umbrella from his shop
398
00:29:00,601 --> 00:29:02,061
because it's raining outside.
399
00:29:02,416 --> 00:29:05,796
My defence team called
Malta's chief meteorologist...
400
00:29:05,828 --> 00:29:07,868
Who said there was no rain
on the 7th of December.
401
00:29:07,901 --> 00:29:09,203
Yes, but...
402
00:29:09,837 --> 00:29:13,016
there was rain on the 23rd of November.
403
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:16,470
The only other potential purchase
date matching Gauci's statement...
404
00:29:17,459 --> 00:29:21,459
and I was not on Malta
on the 23rd of November.
405
00:29:22,367 --> 00:29:24,306
- Baset?
- Please...
406
00:29:24,301 --> 00:29:25,660
I must use bathroom.
407
00:29:25,659 --> 00:29:28,058
Referral grounds two and three,
408
00:29:28,052 --> 00:29:30,171
undisclosed evidence relating
409
00:29:30,167 --> 00:29:32,726
to Gauci's identification of Megrahi,
410
00:29:32,721 --> 00:29:36,661
and the date when the clothes
were purchased from his shop.
411
00:29:38,087 --> 00:29:39,167
Thank you.
412
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,301
When the Commission looked into this...
413
00:29:42,322 --> 00:29:43,667
Everything alright?
414
00:29:44,006 --> 00:29:47,532
...they found that Gauci
actually gave 23 statements,
415
00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:51,163
and he was visited by the Scottish
Police, Jim, more than 50 times.
416
00:29:51,155 --> 00:29:52,674
- 50?
- 50.
417
00:29:52,671 --> 00:29:56,150
You remember, only 19 of his statements
were given to my defence team.
418
00:29:56,143 --> 00:30:00,142
The details of these meetings,
they have never been revealed.
419
00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:02,291
What else did Gauci
claim in them, I wonder?
420
00:30:02,287 --> 00:30:04,686
By withholding this information,
421
00:30:04,681 --> 00:30:09,560
the Crown denied the defence
items of real importance...
422
00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:11,988
in undermining the Crown case.
423
00:30:11,983 --> 00:30:14,582
Fourth referral. Undisclosed evidence
424
00:30:14,576 --> 00:30:16,955
about Gauci's interest in rewards.
425
00:30:16,951 --> 00:30:20,470
The commission discovered
three Scottish police documents
426
00:30:20,462 --> 00:30:22,342
that suggested that Gauci...
427
00:30:22,856 --> 00:30:26,175
Gauchi was aware
that a substantial reward
428
00:30:26,167 --> 00:30:28,526
was an offer from the US Government.
429
00:30:29,001 --> 00:30:30,801
A reward for giving evidence?
430
00:30:31,594 --> 00:30:33,354
Jesus! Did he get paid?
431
00:30:33,630 --> 00:30:38,049
Referral five. Undisclosed
secret intelligence documents.
432
00:30:38,038 --> 00:30:40,317
Last year, the Crown
informed the commission
433
00:30:40,313 --> 00:30:44,092
of two classified documents
held at Dumfries police station.
434
00:30:44,083 --> 00:30:46,662
The commission believes non-disclosure
435
00:30:46,657 --> 00:30:48,717
of one of the documents indicates...
436
00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:51,909
that a miscarriage of justice
may have occurred.
437
00:30:51,904 --> 00:30:53,899
That is what we were waiting for.
438
00:30:53,918 --> 00:30:55,357
Music to my ears.
439
00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:58,414
It's all centered, everything,
on Gauci's evidence.
440
00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:00,987
They seem to have dismissed
pretty much everything else.
441
00:31:00,982 --> 00:31:03,541
There's nothing here
about Robert Baer, PFLP-GC.
442
00:31:03,535 --> 00:31:06,035
There's nothing whatsoever
about the timer fragment.
443
00:31:11,734 --> 00:31:13,174
You're frustrated.
444
00:31:13,889 --> 00:31:15,969
I'm happy for you, of course, I am.
445
00:31:16,775 --> 00:31:20,062
But there's nothing in here that
helps us discover what did happen.
446
00:31:20,154 --> 00:31:22,394
Nothing that gets us
closer to the truth.
447
00:31:22,628 --> 00:31:23,788
It's, uh...
448
00:31:24,303 --> 00:31:26,383
You would say, one step at a time.
449
00:31:26,697 --> 00:31:28,857
So, Jim, one step at a time.
450
00:31:55,026 --> 00:31:56,986
I didn't think I'd see you again.
451
00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,817
So you left the Dumfries force?
452
00:32:03,286 --> 00:32:05,105
Megrahi got his second appeal.
453
00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:08,162
Second appeal.
Possible miscarriage of justice.
454
00:32:08,726 --> 00:32:11,373
And the Crown with a hell of
a lot of questions to answer.
455
00:32:11,824 --> 00:32:14,623
Including one about
undisclosed secret documents
456
00:32:14,618 --> 00:32:16,458
held at your police station.
457
00:32:18,488 --> 00:32:20,567
I'll drive. You talk.
458
00:32:22,099 --> 00:32:24,498
One of these documents is a
letter from the King of Jordan
459
00:32:24,494 --> 00:32:26,213
to the then Prime Minister John Major,
460
00:32:26,209 --> 00:32:29,208
intimating that the Libyans
were innocent of the crime.
461
00:32:29,202 --> 00:32:33,141
It points the finger at the PFLP-GC
and the bomb maker Marwan Khreesat,
462
00:32:33,132 --> 00:32:34,671
who is believed by many,
463
00:32:34,668 --> 00:32:37,747
including and according to
Robert Baer and most of the CIA,
464
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:40,819
to have built the bomb
that brought down Flight 103.
465
00:32:40,813 --> 00:32:43,972
Now, these documents were known
to the Crown during the trial,
466
00:32:43,965 --> 00:32:46,224
and they withheld them
from the defence.
467
00:32:46,219 --> 00:32:47,798
We're still not allowed to see them.
468
00:32:47,795 --> 00:32:49,375
So what are we talking about here?
469
00:32:49,651 --> 00:32:51,790
A cover-up? Was Megrahi framed?
470
00:32:51,785 --> 00:32:55,404
Whatever it is, they want to keep
it buried. It's mucky as hell.
471
00:32:55,396 --> 00:32:57,396
So why are you still standing here?
472
00:32:57,551 --> 00:33:01,270
Go and talk to people and find out
what they're not telling us.
473
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:03,700
Then write the bloody thing.
474
00:33:09,841 --> 00:33:11,441
Jim, it's Murray.
475
00:33:11,461 --> 00:33:12,956
Good to hear from you, Murray.
476
00:33:13,272 --> 00:33:15,331
Wait till you hear
what I've got for you.
477
00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:18,307
- Front page?
- Without a doubt.
478
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
What do you mean we can't publish it?
479
00:33:29,138 --> 00:33:31,292
- We want to...
- But you can't.
480
00:33:32,065 --> 00:33:34,484
- Phil Marsden, our lawyer.
- Why the hell not?
481
00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:37,758
We ran the story past the FCO
for comment.
482
00:33:37,751 --> 00:33:40,030
I got a call back
threatening legal action.
483
00:33:40,025 --> 00:33:41,800
You don't think that's
just scare tactics?
484
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:43,699
The Foreign Secretary, David Miliband,
485
00:33:43,695 --> 00:33:48,110
has issued a public interest
immunity certificate, a PII.
486
00:33:48,124 --> 00:33:50,243
- What?
- For reasons of national security.
487
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,279
To protect the contents
of certain documents.
488
00:33:53,272 --> 00:33:56,071
These documents your source
is talking about
489
00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:58,824
may well be the same ones
Megrahi's defence team
490
00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:02,119
were denied access to under that PII.
491
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:07,780
We're still going to print it, right?
492
00:34:08,055 --> 00:34:11,574
- Publish and be damned and all that?
- You'll be damned, and I'll be sued.
493
00:34:11,566 --> 00:34:15,206
And your legal fees alone will
mean this newspaper goes down.
494
00:34:19,866 --> 00:34:22,125
I just don't get it.
The documents in that safe,
495
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,399
- they're over 20 years old.
- Makes no matter.
496
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,775
This is the long arm of the state.
497
00:34:29,096 --> 00:34:32,548
For national security,
read intelligence services, MI6,
498
00:34:32,565 --> 00:34:34,654
CIA, who knows who else?
Protected like they always are...
499
00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:36,049
You said you'd publish it.
500
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:38,044
You phoned me up and
you told me you'd publish it.
501
00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:39,274
- Yeah, I know, but...
- No.
502
00:34:39,338 --> 00:34:42,298
Take it somewhere else. Someone will
print it. Someone not afraid of them.
503
00:34:43,048 --> 00:34:44,808
Not gonna do that.
504
00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:50,633
Give it to me.
505
00:34:51,507 --> 00:34:52,747
I will.
506
00:34:53,581 --> 00:34:55,462
I'm not going to let them
get away with it.
507
00:34:55,896 --> 00:34:57,696
This is serious.
508
00:34:57,931 --> 00:34:59,910
You need to see sense.
You could be sued.
509
00:34:59,906 --> 00:35:01,206
I could be sued.
510
00:35:13,012 --> 00:35:16,307
You ever think this might
be a lost cause, Jim?
511
00:35:17,362 --> 00:35:20,482
That they will never
allow us to know the truth?
512
00:35:22,151 --> 00:35:24,151
I never thought I'd hear you say that.
513
00:35:35,078 --> 00:35:37,518
I'm so sorry, but it's cancer.
514
00:35:37,951 --> 00:35:39,711
Prostate cancer.
515
00:35:49,962 --> 00:35:51,822
Will he survive?
516
00:35:52,914 --> 00:35:55,474
I'm afraid I don't know
the answer to that.
517
00:35:56,665 --> 00:35:58,105
I'm sorry.
518
00:36:14,381 --> 00:36:15,541
How is he?
519
00:36:31,324 --> 00:36:32,778
Thank you.
520
00:36:37,455 --> 00:36:39,043
How're you doing?
521
00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:42,933
Please, go sit down.
522
00:36:42,929 --> 00:36:45,229
OK. I can do it. I can do it.
523
00:36:53,842 --> 00:36:55,321
You have been told?
524
00:36:55,518 --> 00:36:56,598
Yes.
525
00:36:59,109 --> 00:37:00,509
Is it...
526
00:37:01,423 --> 00:37:02,486
severe?
527
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,500
Yes. Yes, it is.
528
00:37:05,782 --> 00:37:09,072
But I've had patients who fought
their cancer, who beat it.
529
00:37:09,065 --> 00:37:12,064
And you, Baset, you're a fighter.
530
00:37:12,057 --> 00:37:13,277
Mmm.
531
00:37:24,127 --> 00:37:26,127
I don't want to die here, Jim.
532
00:37:26,321 --> 00:37:27,841
I don't want that either.
533
00:37:28,077 --> 00:37:31,037
I don't want my family
to see me die here.
534
00:37:32,746 --> 00:37:35,706
I want to go home to die.
535
00:37:43,439 --> 00:37:44,559
Jim...
536
00:37:48,945 --> 00:37:52,284
...the UK and Libya are negotiating
537
00:37:52,277 --> 00:37:55,257
a prisoner transfer agreement.
538
00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:56,848
I heard.
539
00:37:57,165 --> 00:38:01,605
I will be instructing my Libyan
lawyers to make an application to...
540
00:38:02,751 --> 00:38:07,071
...return home and serve
whatever time I have left there.
541
00:38:07,818 --> 00:38:09,378
And what about your appeal?
542
00:38:12,607 --> 00:38:14,327
You think I would give it up?
543
00:38:16,397 --> 00:38:19,317
If Prisoner Transfer is granted,
you'll be in Libya.
544
00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:22,026
Jim...
545
00:38:23,938 --> 00:38:25,178
OK...
546
00:38:26,611 --> 00:38:29,451
...I have said to you before,
I will say it again.
547
00:38:30,282 --> 00:38:33,802
I will not go down in history
as a Lockerbie bomber.
548
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:37,510
I will not let them do that to me.
549
00:38:37,704 --> 00:38:40,464
I will never give up my appeal.
550
00:38:42,435 --> 00:38:43,932
Whether I am here,
551
00:38:44,168 --> 00:38:46,248
in Libya, dead or alive...
552
00:38:46,642 --> 00:38:48,562
my appeal will go to court.
553
00:38:50,951 --> 00:38:53,551
Trust me and you will get
what you want.
554
00:39:05,129 --> 00:39:06,888
My name will be cleared,
555
00:39:07,017 --> 00:39:09,671
and you will go on and find out
who really did this.
556
00:39:18,242 --> 00:39:21,202
Baset, I'm afraid there's a problem.
557
00:39:24,428 --> 00:39:26,228
Under Scottish law...
558
00:39:28,857 --> 00:39:31,036
...to be considered for a PT,
559
00:39:31,031 --> 00:39:34,871
a prisoner can't have
an appeal ongoing.
560
00:39:36,637 --> 00:39:38,237
You'd have to give it up.
561
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,545
Baset, there is another way.
562
00:39:44,498 --> 00:39:46,813
You're released
on compassionate grounds.
563
00:39:46,832 --> 00:39:49,847
You'll be examined
by three separate doctors
564
00:39:49,864 --> 00:39:51,444
who will decide...
565
00:39:51,945 --> 00:39:53,759
how long you have to live.
566
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:57,889
And if it's less than three months,
567
00:39:57,884 --> 00:40:00,163
then there's a good possibility
568
00:40:00,158 --> 00:40:04,178
that you will return home
and you can keep your appeal.
569
00:40:05,764 --> 00:40:07,444
These are the options.
570
00:40:08,877 --> 00:40:10,397
You must decide.
571
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:14,488
Well, we have beliefs
and values in Scotland that
572
00:40:14,483 --> 00:40:17,482
those who perpetrate crimes,
certainly heinous atrocities
573
00:40:17,475 --> 00:40:19,494
such as this,
should be brought to justice.
574
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:20,909
That has been done.
575
00:40:20,906 --> 00:40:24,545
Equally, we recognise that justice
has to be tempered by mercy.
576
00:40:24,537 --> 00:40:26,936
That there has to be
the ability to recognise
577
00:40:26,932 --> 00:40:29,891
that although he did not show
compassion to the victims,
578
00:40:29,884 --> 00:40:33,043
that doesn't mean that we should
lower our beliefs, or our values.
579
00:40:33,036 --> 00:40:34,995
A campaign for the release of the man
580
00:40:34,991 --> 00:40:37,350
convicted of the Lockerbie bombing
was launched today.
581
00:40:37,346 --> 00:40:40,345
Justice for Megrahi is appealing
for the early release
582
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:43,257
of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi
on compassionate grounds.
583
00:40:43,251 --> 00:40:46,330
I just think it is absolutely
wrong to release someone
584
00:40:46,323 --> 00:40:49,942
who has been imprisoned
based on evidence,
585
00:40:50,134 --> 00:40:53,769
about his involvement
in such a horrendous crime.
586
00:40:53,785 --> 00:40:55,384
I think this is a very bad decision.
587
00:40:55,381 --> 00:40:58,900
This man was convicted
of murdering 270 people.
588
00:40:58,892 --> 00:41:02,411
Some claim economic influences were key
589
00:41:02,404 --> 00:41:04,883
to the deal struck by Tony Blair
and Colonel Gaddafi
590
00:41:04,877 --> 00:41:07,316
on the potential release
of the Lockerbie bomber,
591
00:41:07,312 --> 00:41:09,232
the so-called "deal in the desert."
592
00:41:09,252 --> 00:41:12,066
The fact that Libyan
oil reserves are now understood
593
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:15,498
to be far greater than they may have
thought to have been in the past...
594
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:17,110
shouldn't be overlooked.
595
00:41:17,306 --> 00:41:19,125
Megrahi will continue with his appeal,
596
00:41:19,122 --> 00:41:21,201
and regardless of opinion
on his conviction,
597
00:41:21,196 --> 00:41:24,275
the Justice For Megrahi campaign
urges the Scottish government
598
00:41:24,269 --> 00:41:27,809
to send Mr Megrahi back to Libya
on compassionate grounds.
599
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Jim, take it off.
600
00:41:45,915 --> 00:41:47,915
Please. Not here. Not today.
601
00:41:47,935 --> 00:41:49,270
I'm not ashamed.
602
00:41:50,065 --> 00:41:52,905
- I'll look them in the eye.
- For us...?
603
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:54,977
Do it for us.
604
00:42:02,753 --> 00:42:05,513
John Michael Gerard Ahern.
605
00:42:06,424 --> 00:42:08,824
Sarah Margaret Aicher.
606
00:42:09,921 --> 00:42:12,281
John David Ackerstrom.
607
00:42:12,874 --> 00:42:15,114
Ronald Ely Alexander.
608
00:42:16,478 --> 00:42:18,678
Thomas Joseph Ammerman.
609
00:42:19,471 --> 00:42:21,631
Bridget Concannon.
610
00:42:22,344 --> 00:42:24,104
Thomas Concannon.
611
00:42:24,379 --> 00:42:26,899
Roger Elwood Hurst.
612
00:42:27,452 --> 00:42:30,191
Elizabeth Sophie Ivell.
613
00:42:30,185 --> 00:42:33,004
Andrew Alexander Teran.
614
00:42:33,357 --> 00:42:36,277
Arva Anthony Thomas.
615
00:42:36,709 --> 00:42:39,509
Jonathan Ryan Thomas.
616
00:42:39,741 --> 00:42:43,421
Flora McDonald Margaret Swire.
617
00:42:53,061 --> 00:42:55,321
I don't know what he thinks he's doing.
618
00:42:56,276 --> 00:42:59,055
This should be about
remembrance, not politics.
619
00:42:59,072 --> 00:43:00,972
I can't believe he's here.
620
00:43:02,131 --> 00:43:05,365
It's a disgrace.
He's befriended a killer.
621
00:43:30,375 --> 00:43:32,535
Lovely to see you again.
622
00:43:41,008 --> 00:43:43,328
Four grandkids myself actually. Yeah.
623
00:43:44,162 --> 00:43:45,500
Is it Ellen?
624
00:43:46,437 --> 00:43:48,875
- Jane's spoken a lot about you.
- Sorry. This is...
625
00:43:48,894 --> 00:43:52,069
- Jim, my husband.
- Yes, I know. Hello, Jim.
626
00:43:55,153 --> 00:43:58,028
Look, I'm sorry, I think we're
running low on hot water.
627
00:43:58,046 --> 00:43:59,466
I'll see you shortly.
628
00:44:05,613 --> 00:44:07,527
Um, I'd like to go.
629
00:44:13,207 --> 00:44:16,228
Everyone here agrees
with me, the world agrees.
630
00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:20,675
Releasing Megrahi would be insane,
immoral, reprehensible.
631
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:23,629
He has to serve his time
here in Scotland.
632
00:44:23,622 --> 00:44:26,902
Then they can send his ashes
back to Libya in a casket.
633
00:44:29,686 --> 00:44:31,427
Jim. Jim!
634
00:44:40,328 --> 00:44:42,740
Can't you see it from their
point of view for one second?
635
00:44:42,735 --> 00:44:45,134
It is so completely irrational.
636
00:44:45,128 --> 00:44:47,588
Who are you to decide
what's rational or irrational?
637
00:44:47,981 --> 00:44:50,440
Maybe this appeal isn't rational
to them.
638
00:44:50,435 --> 00:44:51,994
Maybe none of this is rational
639
00:44:51,992 --> 00:44:54,231
to people who process their
grief by moving forwards
640
00:44:54,226 --> 00:44:56,985
rather than scrambling around
in the past.
641
00:44:56,979 --> 00:44:58,898
They're hurt and they're angry.
642
00:44:58,894 --> 00:45:02,094
- And completely fixated on one man.
- Oh, not like you, then?
643
00:45:09,029 --> 00:45:10,769
That's how they cope.
644
00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:13,863
- This is how you cope.
- I am not coping.
645
00:45:13,857 --> 00:45:16,797
Oh, yes, of course. You're doing
this for Flora. What you always say.
646
00:45:17,428 --> 00:45:19,988
But it's not about Flora anymore, Jim.
647
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:23,660
It's not even about him.
648
00:45:26,837 --> 00:45:28,405
You have visitors.
649
00:45:30,671 --> 00:45:33,094
You're just doing anything
you can to avoid grieving.
650
00:45:33,090 --> 00:45:35,150
- That is simply not true.
- Jim!
651
00:45:35,782 --> 00:45:37,582
You can't sit still.
652
00:45:37,877 --> 00:45:42,057
You can't be silent for one moment
to take in what happened to us.
653
00:45:42,685 --> 00:45:45,144
If you did, then you'd
see the-the damage.
654
00:45:45,139 --> 00:45:48,139
- You're saying this is my fault?
- No. I'm to blame, too.
655
00:45:49,302 --> 00:45:51,342
But you're missing everything, Jim.
656
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,600
We need you now before it's too late.
657
00:46:03,653 --> 00:46:07,253
Baset has promised me
he's committed to fighting this.
658
00:46:22,446 --> 00:46:24,286
Once his appeal is over,
659
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,400
we will find out who really did this.
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