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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,310 Court! 2 00:01:13,147 --> 00:01:15,306 The whole case against them is a fiction. 3 00:01:15,325 --> 00:01:18,284 It's a lie. The entire prosecution case 4 00:01:18,278 --> 00:01:22,477 rested on this... fragment of electronic circuit board. 5 00:01:22,467 --> 00:01:24,546 It was a clue, but no one could identify it 6 00:01:24,542 --> 00:01:27,302 until a forensic scientist at the FBI did nearly a year later. 7 00:01:28,132 --> 00:01:31,860 He matched it to timers they'd seized from Libyan Intelligence agents. 8 00:01:31,873 --> 00:01:34,585 British forensic scientists agreed with the FBI. 9 00:01:34,604 --> 00:01:36,283 Similar in all respects. 10 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,959 The timers that the fragment circuit board came from 11 00:01:38,953 --> 00:01:43,448 were made by MEBO, a Swiss company owned by Edwin Bollier. 12 00:01:43,462 --> 00:01:45,261 Yes, we supplied Libya 13 00:01:45,257 --> 00:01:47,376 with 20 of these timers. 14 00:01:47,372 --> 00:01:49,051 MEBO used long delay timers, 15 00:01:49,048 --> 00:01:52,207 which are manually set to trigger the bomb's detonator hours in advance. 16 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,119 So my question is, why put the bomb onto two flights, 17 00:01:55,113 --> 00:01:56,992 Malta to Frankfurt, Frankfurt to Heathrow, 18 00:01:56,988 --> 00:01:59,627 before it goes on the plane you want to blow up? It doesn't make sense. 19 00:01:59,621 --> 00:02:01,283 You run the risk of your suitcase being found 20 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,357 by security at three airports. 21 00:02:03,592 --> 00:02:06,512 It's clearly a ludicrous basis for a prosecution. 22 00:02:06,804 --> 00:02:08,144 Next... 23 00:02:09,288 --> 00:02:10,518 Tony Gauci. 24 00:02:10,857 --> 00:02:13,449 Now, he claims that Megrahi bought from his shop 25 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:15,986 the clothes that were wrapped around the bomb inside the suitcase. 26 00:02:15,981 --> 00:02:19,461 But a year before he identified Megrahi, he mentioned someone else. 27 00:02:21,739 --> 00:02:25,421 Abu Talb, a terrorist with links to Palestinian militant groups 28 00:02:25,438 --> 00:02:26,998 operating out of Syria. 29 00:02:27,073 --> 00:02:29,472 One of the Scottish Police's first suspects. 30 00:02:29,468 --> 00:02:32,747 The whole prosecution case against Fhimah and Megrahi is full of holes. 31 00:02:32,915 --> 00:02:35,834 It was presented as a foregone conclusion from the very first day. 32 00:02:35,852 --> 00:02:38,011 These men are guilty. We will get a conviction. 33 00:02:38,006 --> 00:02:40,245 Murtagh represented the US Department of Justice. 34 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,680 He said that before the trial began, but nothing has been proven. 35 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:47,909 But if it wasn't them, then who? 36 00:02:47,901 --> 00:02:50,101 Iran. Syria. 37 00:02:50,554 --> 00:02:53,693 - But, Jim, they moved on from them. - There's more. 38 00:02:53,687 --> 00:02:55,926 One of the prosecution's last witnesses 39 00:02:55,922 --> 00:02:57,721 was a German Police explosives expert. 40 00:02:57,717 --> 00:02:59,639 They wanted him to destroy the Palestinian theory. 41 00:02:59,635 --> 00:03:02,552 Remember the initial suspects, the PFLP-GC? 42 00:03:03,165 --> 00:03:04,622 Well, he did the opposite. 43 00:03:04,619 --> 00:03:09,138 Flight 103 could only have been brought down by a PFLP-GC device 44 00:03:09,129 --> 00:03:13,328 if it had been primed or put on board at Heathrow. 45 00:03:13,318 --> 00:03:15,877 And a baggage handler at Heathrow saw two suitcases. 46 00:03:15,872 --> 00:03:20,010 There was two new suitcases lying in the container. 47 00:03:20,025 --> 00:03:21,562 I didn't put them there. 48 00:03:22,176 --> 00:03:25,336 Was the bomb that killed Flora in one of those suitcases? 49 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,161 Was the bomb loaded onto the plane at Heathrow? 50 00:03:30,415 --> 00:03:32,794 Is Iran behind it? Is Syria? 51 00:03:32,790 --> 00:03:36,100 Did a member of the PFLP-GC put the suitcase there? 52 00:03:36,301 --> 00:03:38,836 Nothing in this whole case adds up. Nothing. 53 00:03:38,854 --> 00:03:41,074 Fhimah and Megrahi are both innocent. 54 00:04:10,376 --> 00:04:12,255 Would you give me please your verdict 55 00:04:12,251 --> 00:04:16,691 in respect of the named accused, Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah? 56 00:04:27,813 --> 00:04:29,733 Not guilty. 57 00:04:53,803 --> 00:04:55,824 Would you give me please your verdict 58 00:04:55,821 --> 00:05:00,123 in respect of the named accused, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi? 59 00:05:05,638 --> 00:05:07,178 Guilty. 60 00:05:24,232 --> 00:05:25,751 He can't be... 61 00:05:25,749 --> 00:05:27,109 He can't... 62 00:05:31,734 --> 00:05:34,933 ..for the crime of murder is 20 years... 63 00:05:38,557 --> 00:05:40,676 ...life imprisonment... 64 00:05:43,025 --> 00:05:46,000 ...and that is the sentence that we impose. 65 00:06:04,971 --> 00:06:07,011 Jim? 66 00:06:08,402 --> 00:06:10,361 Jim! Quick, get someone, please! 67 00:06:10,357 --> 00:06:12,316 He's collapsed. Please, help me. 68 00:06:12,312 --> 00:06:14,192 - Please, help me. - Can we get someone in here? 69 00:06:14,213 --> 00:06:15,507 Please get someone. 70 00:06:15,505 --> 00:06:16,925 Jim, Jim, it's alright. 71 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,859 - Jim, it's alright. - Need a doctor. 72 00:06:19,854 --> 00:06:22,394 It's alright, Jim. Please... 73 00:06:45,630 --> 00:06:48,629 Coming to us live from New York. 74 00:06:48,622 --> 00:06:51,461 Reports are reaching us of a collision 75 00:06:51,454 --> 00:06:53,453 involving a passenger plane 76 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:57,009 which appears to have struck the World Trade Centre. 77 00:06:57,001 --> 00:06:59,600 Let's go over to our colleagues in New York. 78 00:06:59,595 --> 00:07:03,114 ..tip of Manhattan, you're looking at the World Trade Centre. 79 00:07:03,106 --> 00:07:06,745 We understand that a plane has crashed into the World Trade Centre. 80 00:07:06,737 --> 00:07:08,456 We don't know anything more than that. 81 00:07:08,453 --> 00:07:10,453 We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. 82 00:07:10,584 --> 00:07:12,622 We don't know if it was a private aircraft. 83 00:07:12,642 --> 00:07:15,201 We have no idea how many were on board, 84 00:07:15,196 --> 00:07:18,156 or what the extent of the injuries are right now. 85 00:07:18,867 --> 00:07:21,066 Oh... Oh, my God! 86 00:07:21,321 --> 00:07:22,740 A second plane. 87 00:07:22,737 --> 00:07:26,792 It looks like a second plane has hit the south tower 88 00:07:26,807 --> 00:07:28,582 of the World Trade Centre. 89 00:07:28,603 --> 00:07:30,082 Oh... Oh... 90 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:32,198 My God... Um, it looks... 91 00:07:32,193 --> 00:07:35,112 to be a passenger jet. 92 00:07:35,441 --> 00:07:37,360 The second plane... 93 00:07:46,571 --> 00:07:48,571 Fucking terrorists. 94 00:07:49,563 --> 00:07:51,563 Good luck with your appeal now, huh? 95 00:07:56,612 --> 00:07:58,452 These acts of mass murder 96 00:07:58,448 --> 00:08:01,748 were intended to frighten our nation into chaos and retreat. 97 00:08:02,191 --> 00:08:03,597 But they have failed. 98 00:08:08,623 --> 00:08:12,998 These terrorists will regard us all as targets. 99 00:08:13,011 --> 00:08:14,650 More Muslim terror. 100 00:08:14,648 --> 00:08:16,127 Forget political correctness. 101 00:08:16,124 --> 00:08:17,680 Racially profile... Racial factor. 102 00:08:17,677 --> 00:08:18,840 ..number of hate crimes- 103 00:08:19,605 --> 00:08:22,514 Four attempted arson attacks on Arab businesses. 104 00:08:22,508 --> 00:08:25,667 - Muslims threatened with gunfire. - The target of hate... 105 00:08:25,661 --> 00:08:27,221 - War on terror. - War on terror. 106 00:08:27,242 --> 00:08:28,976 - Terrorist. - Terrorist. 107 00:08:28,972 --> 00:08:30,771 Terrorism must be fought resolutely. 108 00:08:30,768 --> 00:08:32,287 We will find those who did it. 109 00:08:32,283 --> 00:08:35,503 We'll smoke them out of their holes and we'll bring them to justice. 110 00:08:36,134 --> 00:08:38,794 After a year of witnesses testifying, 111 00:08:38,813 --> 00:08:41,467 al-Megrahi's appeal against his life sentence 112 00:08:41,461 --> 00:08:43,420 was refused earlier today 113 00:08:43,416 --> 00:08:47,516 by a panel of five judges at Camp Zeist, who concluded 114 00:08:47,841 --> 00:08:51,044 that none of the grounds of his appeal were well-founded. 115 00:08:51,037 --> 00:08:52,756 No surprises there. 116 00:08:52,753 --> 00:08:55,192 Mr Al Megrahi has been flown to Scotland, 117 00:08:55,187 --> 00:08:57,946 where he will serve his 20-year life term 118 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:02,220 here at Barlinnie Prison, outside Glasgow. 119 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:12,947 You better fucking watch yourself. 120 00:09:12,943 --> 00:09:15,504 Youse gonna die, you dirty rag-head! 121 00:09:16,813 --> 00:09:19,855 Welcome to Scotland. You're screwed, pal. 122 00:09:39,093 --> 00:09:41,333 If you want room service, just ring. 123 00:09:50,585 --> 00:09:52,368 How are you, darling? 124 00:09:52,727 --> 00:09:54,246 Exhausted. 125 00:09:54,599 --> 00:09:56,879 - Sleep-deprived. - Doesn't show. 126 00:09:57,555 --> 00:09:59,191 Much. 127 00:10:04,783 --> 00:10:06,433 Do you mind her being in here? 128 00:10:06,699 --> 00:10:08,509 Her name's Isabel, Jim. 129 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:11,680 It's a bit odd, but... 130 00:10:12,414 --> 00:10:13,934 I know why you've done it. 131 00:10:14,958 --> 00:10:16,958 I want this room used again. 132 00:10:20,704 --> 00:10:22,034 How are you, Dad? 133 00:10:22,340 --> 00:10:24,310 Oh, you know... 134 00:10:25,621 --> 00:10:27,341 No, I don't. 135 00:10:29,469 --> 00:10:31,532 It's very difficult, obviously. 136 00:10:31,966 --> 00:10:33,675 Megrahi lost his appeal. 137 00:10:33,695 --> 00:10:36,864 - He's in prison now over... - Shall we go downstairs, let her sleep? 138 00:10:37,143 --> 00:10:39,862 But trying to get any information about how he is, 139 00:10:39,857 --> 00:10:43,187 - is proving impossible. - You're still convinced of his innocence? 140 00:10:45,243 --> 00:10:46,453 Of course. 141 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:49,118 You only have to look at his failed appeal. 142 00:10:49,113 --> 00:10:50,592 All kinds of new evidence heard, 143 00:10:50,589 --> 00:10:53,138 new information about the shopkeeper, Heathrow. 144 00:10:53,134 --> 00:10:54,494 You know there was a break-in? 145 00:10:55,063 --> 00:10:56,527 He has to appeal again. 146 00:10:56,525 --> 00:10:58,405 - Jim! Jim! Jim, please. - He has to show... 147 00:11:16,132 --> 00:11:18,691 - Hello? - Hey, Jim. Good news. 148 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:20,749 I've just heard Megrahi is being granted application 149 00:11:20,744 --> 00:11:23,183 - for a second appeal. - Oh, that is fantastic. 150 00:11:23,178 --> 00:11:26,697 He's also got rid of his legal team, hired a new lawyer, Roddy McGill. 151 00:11:26,689 --> 00:11:29,568 - He was with Fhimah's defence team. - Yeah, well, Megrahi is obviously 152 00:11:29,562 --> 00:11:31,082 hoping for the Midas touch. 153 00:11:31,104 --> 00:11:34,318 Also, Jim, I found a detective who was on the original investigation. 154 00:11:34,311 --> 00:11:36,531 He wants to talk. Oh, I've gotta go. 155 00:11:51,428 --> 00:11:52,928 Bryan? 156 00:11:53,662 --> 00:11:55,581 What the hell are you doing here? 157 00:11:55,578 --> 00:11:57,857 - I said no. - Oh, you phoned me... 158 00:11:57,852 --> 00:12:00,651 Aye, then I thought better of it. Now, fuck off. 159 00:12:00,645 --> 00:12:04,164 Look, I remember talking to you a few weeks after Lockerbie 160 00:12:04,157 --> 00:12:07,636 about the FBI, CIA. Possible interference in the investigation. 161 00:12:07,627 --> 00:12:09,386 - Evidence tampering. - I... 162 00:12:09,383 --> 00:12:11,478 I can't speak to you. I'm still with the force. 163 00:12:11,498 --> 00:12:13,817 Why call me out of the blue 14 years later? 164 00:12:13,812 --> 00:12:15,892 You know there's been a cover-up, don't you? 165 00:12:17,283 --> 00:12:20,023 You're looking in the wrong place. 166 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:21,436 What do you mean? 167 00:12:25,307 --> 00:12:26,564 Bryan... 168 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,400 What do you mean? 169 00:12:30,131 --> 00:12:31,591 What do you mean? 170 00:12:37,636 --> 00:12:39,893 Your source pan out? 171 00:12:40,725 --> 00:12:42,704 Uh, no. He got spooked. 172 00:12:42,701 --> 00:12:45,401 But, um, I'll give it a couple more days 173 00:12:45,992 --> 00:12:47,332 and try again. 174 00:12:47,468 --> 00:12:50,508 I'd drop it, Guthrie. There are bigger things going on. 175 00:13:51,993 --> 00:13:53,899 Mr McGill. 176 00:13:53,896 --> 00:13:55,913 I've got a Jim Swire here. 177 00:13:56,316 --> 00:13:58,079 It's very good to meet you, Mr McGill. 178 00:13:58,075 --> 00:14:00,095 Congratulations on getting Fhimah off. 179 00:14:00,769 --> 00:14:03,769 Well, we're hoping for a repeat performance. 180 00:14:04,725 --> 00:14:08,594 Um... Shona Randall, my senior associate. 181 00:14:08,609 --> 00:14:10,369 John Ashton, our researcher. 182 00:14:11,774 --> 00:14:15,961 As you can see, we're targeting the prosecution's weak spots. 183 00:14:16,070 --> 00:14:18,445 Tony Gauci being a big one. 184 00:14:18,465 --> 00:14:20,264 I see you have Robert Baer's name there. 185 00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:23,459 Ex-CIA case officer who was based in the Middle East. 186 00:14:23,452 --> 00:14:24,611 You certainly need to talk to him. 187 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:27,289 What he says in that book about Iran being behind the bomb 188 00:14:27,283 --> 00:14:30,162 is potentially game-changing. Yeah, I know, but... 189 00:14:30,155 --> 00:14:32,215 I've had no response from him or his publisher. 190 00:14:32,410 --> 00:14:34,790 I do know he happens to have a book tour coming up. 191 00:14:38,153 --> 00:14:41,216 - What are Megrahi's chances? - I'd say it's pretty good. 192 00:14:41,408 --> 00:14:44,843 But it's up to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, not us. 193 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:46,718 I will never understand it. 194 00:14:46,894 --> 00:14:49,473 The prosecution built its entire case around the claim 195 00:14:49,468 --> 00:14:51,427 - that they acted together. - I mean, even the UN observer 196 00:14:51,423 --> 00:14:54,742 and the trial questioned how judges came up with guilty in one case 197 00:14:54,734 --> 00:14:56,893 - and not guilty in the other. - Well, we need to make sure 198 00:14:56,889 --> 00:14:59,688 the Review Commission sees the absurdity of that. 199 00:14:59,682 --> 00:15:01,502 It's a total miscarriage of justice. 200 00:15:01,697 --> 00:15:05,677 As you can see, Dr Swire, we're in the midst of doing exactly that. 201 00:15:10,521 --> 00:15:12,681 I want to visit Mr Megrahi. 202 00:15:15,682 --> 00:15:17,782 I fought long and hard for that trial. 203 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:21,690 I want to meet him. 204 00:15:30,555 --> 00:15:32,385 All that blood on his hands. 205 00:15:35,995 --> 00:15:38,132 How can you, of all people, 206 00:15:38,645 --> 00:15:40,505 be able to be in the same room as him? 207 00:16:36,561 --> 00:16:38,301 Did you kill my daughter? 208 00:16:44,402 --> 00:16:45,322 No. 209 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:48,055 I did not. 210 00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:56,357 Forgive me. I had to hear you say it. 211 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:58,570 Sometimes... 212 00:17:00,242 --> 00:17:02,002 ...it is best to be direct. 213 00:17:03,195 --> 00:17:05,235 You must have other questions. 214 00:17:05,808 --> 00:17:06,908 Ask. 215 00:17:10,457 --> 00:17:11,737 How are you? 216 00:17:11,758 --> 00:17:15,077 I will spend 20 years in a foreign jail for a... 217 00:17:15,517 --> 00:17:17,564 crime I did not commit. 218 00:17:19,601 --> 00:17:22,453 My family have had to move to this foreign country 219 00:17:22,447 --> 00:17:24,707 where they are abused and attacked daily. 220 00:17:26,297 --> 00:17:28,977 I can't imagine what it must be like for you, being in here. 221 00:17:29,928 --> 00:17:32,008 With your family having to suffer that. 222 00:17:32,602 --> 00:17:35,461 - Especially knowing what I know now. - What do you know now? 223 00:17:35,455 --> 00:17:37,134 That the case against you is a sham. 224 00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:38,750 A travesty of justice. 225 00:17:39,185 --> 00:17:41,364 And I will do everything in my power 226 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,420 to help you, Mr Megrahi. 227 00:17:44,392 --> 00:17:46,412 Get your conviction overturned. 228 00:17:47,604 --> 00:17:49,124 I... 229 00:17:49,479 --> 00:17:51,579 I am intrigued. 230 00:17:53,269 --> 00:17:55,129 It is to absolve your guilt? 231 00:17:56,721 --> 00:17:59,960 Like I said, Dr Swire, sometimes it's best to be direct. 232 00:17:59,953 --> 00:18:02,293 You are here partly because of my actions. 233 00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:06,085 Not a day goes by without my bitterly regretting that. 234 00:18:07,794 --> 00:18:11,114 I was led to believe that the evidence against you was watertight. 235 00:18:11,285 --> 00:18:13,225 - Incontestable. - Yes. 236 00:18:13,639 --> 00:18:15,099 They did their best. 237 00:18:15,774 --> 00:18:18,134 They lied, deceived. 238 00:18:18,766 --> 00:18:20,026 They succeeded. 239 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:25,872 Dr Swire... 240 00:18:25,894 --> 00:18:28,589 my country Libya is paying for my legal fees. 241 00:18:29,978 --> 00:18:33,238 I have new legal team after the failure... 242 00:18:34,281 --> 00:18:35,848 ...of my first appeal. 243 00:18:36,462 --> 00:18:38,602 So, please tell me, 244 00:18:38,816 --> 00:18:41,056 why do I need you to help me? 245 00:18:43,843 --> 00:18:46,043 What do you expect, Dr Swire? 246 00:18:46,038 --> 00:18:48,477 I would embrace you as my saviour? 247 00:18:48,472 --> 00:18:50,672 No, that's not what I expect at all. 248 00:18:55,255 --> 00:18:56,574 I have to do something. 249 00:18:56,572 --> 00:18:57,952 Because if you do not... 250 00:18:58,827 --> 00:19:01,107 we may never find out who killed your daughter. 251 00:19:03,954 --> 00:19:04,934 Yes. 252 00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:08,750 So in truth, it's not about me at all, is it, Dr Swire? 253 00:19:12,812 --> 00:19:14,072 Perhaps not. 254 00:19:15,824 --> 00:19:17,344 Not entirely. 255 00:19:21,309 --> 00:19:23,549 I wear this badge for my daughter. 256 00:19:25,739 --> 00:19:28,299 And now wear it also for you, Mr Megrahi. 257 00:19:30,673 --> 00:19:32,673 And simply for what it says. 258 00:19:34,558 --> 00:19:36,418 The truth must be known. 259 00:19:43,296 --> 00:19:44,556 Please... 260 00:19:46,448 --> 00:19:47,948 ...call me Baset. 261 00:19:59,129 --> 00:20:01,129 I thought I might find you here. 262 00:20:02,458 --> 00:20:04,528 You're hard to get hold of these days. 263 00:20:05,081 --> 00:20:06,610 Good to see you, Jim. 264 00:20:06,756 --> 00:20:09,636 - How long has it been? Nearly a year? - Something like that. 265 00:20:10,411 --> 00:20:13,371 - You on your way to Skye? - I visited Barlinnie this morning. 266 00:20:15,664 --> 00:20:17,584 You never cease to amaze. 267 00:20:18,803 --> 00:20:21,073 What if I got you an interview with Baset? 268 00:20:22,145 --> 00:20:24,484 - Baset? - I can arrange it. I can speak to him, 269 00:20:24,479 --> 00:20:27,415 - speak to his appeal team... - Megrahi's not news, Jim. 270 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,895 The last time I wrote anything about Lockerbie, 271 00:20:31,891 --> 00:20:34,010 buried on page eight, two columns. 272 00:20:34,446 --> 00:20:37,189 The world and my editor wants 9/11 and the war on terror. 273 00:20:37,208 --> 00:20:39,528 - I'm being left behind. - You can interview both of us. 274 00:20:39,672 --> 00:20:42,857 The father of Flora Swire and the innocent man convicted of her murder. 275 00:20:42,873 --> 00:20:44,902 Then the press would murder you, Jim. 276 00:20:45,168 --> 00:20:47,928 Believe me, that's not the exposure you're wanting. 277 00:20:49,247 --> 00:20:52,799 The... Look, Jim... 278 00:20:56,357 --> 00:20:57,700 The thing is, 279 00:20:58,933 --> 00:21:00,693 most people think he did it. 280 00:21:03,931 --> 00:21:07,281 And now, most people just want to forget. 281 00:21:15,954 --> 00:21:18,631 Bye, darling. Take care. Love you. Drive safely now. 282 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:21,534 I do. 283 00:22:16,141 --> 00:22:17,941 How was Cathy? Isabel? 284 00:22:22,087 --> 00:22:23,167 What? 285 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,239 It saddens me you have to ask that. 286 00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:30,350 They're fine, Jim. 287 00:22:36,370 --> 00:22:37,690 How is he? 288 00:22:38,844 --> 00:22:40,084 Struggling. 289 00:22:42,581 --> 00:22:44,581 I think he appreciated my visit. 290 00:22:51,612 --> 00:22:53,292 Did you not want me to go? 291 00:22:54,446 --> 00:22:56,846 I'm not sure it matters what I say anymore. 292 00:23:00,351 --> 00:23:02,666 He's all you talk about. You know that, don't you? 293 00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:04,285 I'm trying to get him freed. 294 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:05,620 Hmm. 295 00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:11,132 You've not asked one of us directly what we think. 296 00:23:11,963 --> 00:23:14,862 You've never wanted to sit down and discuss it as a family. 297 00:23:14,855 --> 00:23:17,294 You just assume we're behind you, supporting you. 298 00:23:17,288 --> 00:23:19,668 Is that what the children think? 299 00:23:23,224 --> 00:23:25,633 Well, why can't they just come and speak to me? 300 00:23:25,628 --> 00:23:28,448 Because they don't think you listen, Jim, and you don't. 301 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,600 You haven't noticed they hardly come here anymore. 302 00:23:34,267 --> 00:23:36,187 There are too many bad memories. 303 00:23:36,621 --> 00:23:39,901 But this-this is where they grew up. This is where they all grew up. 304 00:23:47,021 --> 00:23:48,875 I think we should move. 305 00:23:50,826 --> 00:23:52,325 I'm not leaving this house! 306 00:23:52,321 --> 00:23:54,981 I want to be closer to my children, to my grandchildren. 307 00:23:56,532 --> 00:23:58,391 I want to be around life, not death. 308 00:23:58,387 --> 00:24:01,447 Not-Not death every single minute of the day. 309 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,777 Would I rejoin the CIA if I was asked? 310 00:24:14,287 --> 00:24:15,807 With all due respect, 311 00:24:16,322 --> 00:24:19,122 have you read any of my books? 312 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:26,700 Thank you. 313 00:24:29,568 --> 00:24:31,789 Jim Swire, as I live and breathe. 314 00:24:31,844 --> 00:24:33,823 Professional thorn in the side, just like me. 315 00:24:33,818 --> 00:24:35,657 - How are you? - It's good to meet you, Bob. 316 00:24:35,654 --> 00:24:37,973 This is John Ashton from Megrahi's appeal team. 317 00:24:37,968 --> 00:24:40,567 Of course. Let me finish up here. 318 00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,782 I'll meet you guys in the next room to this in ten. 319 00:24:43,255 --> 00:24:45,135 No prying ears. 320 00:24:45,303 --> 00:24:46,930 Damn good to meet you, Jim. 321 00:24:48,921 --> 00:24:51,800 Look, Lockerbie is very simple. It was Iran's revenge. 322 00:24:51,953 --> 00:24:53,953 For the Americans shooting down their Airbus? 323 00:24:54,148 --> 00:24:57,627 Like I say in the book, the CIA had known about it all along. 324 00:24:57,619 --> 00:24:59,838 The bombing of Flight 103 was conceived, 325 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:01,912 authorized and financed by Iran. 326 00:25:01,908 --> 00:25:04,987 They paid the Syrian-based PFLP-GC to do it. 327 00:25:04,981 --> 00:25:07,820 The bomb was made by a PFLP-GC bomb maker, 328 00:25:07,814 --> 00:25:09,734 a Jordanian named Marwan Khreesat. 329 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,782 We know that they were raided by German police in October 1988. 330 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,258 - The Autumn Leaves operation. - Yeah. 331 00:25:15,255 --> 00:25:17,014 They arrested some of their main players, 332 00:25:17,010 --> 00:25:18,269 but others slipped through the net. 333 00:25:18,268 --> 00:25:20,787 They only found four explosive devices. 334 00:25:20,781 --> 00:25:22,940 Lost track of the fifth. 335 00:25:22,936 --> 00:25:25,775 I believe that was the bomb that killed your daughter, Jim. 336 00:25:25,769 --> 00:25:27,389 Your guy, Megrahi, 337 00:25:27,704 --> 00:25:29,163 had nothing to do with it. 338 00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:30,680 You talk about a meeting. 339 00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:33,915 The Iranians met with the PFLP-GC people in Beirut. 340 00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:36,809 We had telephone intercepts of them discussing it. 341 00:25:37,958 --> 00:25:39,558 Two days after Lockerbie, 342 00:25:39,834 --> 00:25:43,794 Iran transferred $11 million into a PFLP-GC bank account. 343 00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:49,946 We have records of the transfer. 344 00:25:51,165 --> 00:25:53,825 Hell, we had ironclad proof. 345 00:25:53,972 --> 00:25:57,531 Handed over our intel to the US Administration. What did they do? 346 00:25:57,789 --> 00:26:00,148 One look, quietly shelved it. 347 00:26:00,143 --> 00:26:01,922 - Why? - There were bigger problems. 348 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,539 Like Saddam Hussein. 349 00:26:03,774 --> 00:26:07,729 Once he invaded Kuwait in 1990, suddenly everything changed. 350 00:26:07,745 --> 00:26:10,824 We were at war, and we needed Iran and Syria on our side, 351 00:26:10,816 --> 00:26:12,975 so the heat was off them, sands shifted. 352 00:26:12,971 --> 00:26:15,170 - They pointed the finger at Libya. - A rogue state, 353 00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:18,135 proven terrorist links, developing weapons of mass destruction. 354 00:26:18,128 --> 00:26:19,978 Gaddafi was the top of our hit list. 355 00:26:20,134 --> 00:26:22,473 Plus, we needed to throw some kind of bone 356 00:26:22,468 --> 00:26:24,368 to the victims' grieving families. 357 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:27,679 Libya was that bone. 358 00:26:30,777 --> 00:26:32,986 This has to go into the submission, John. 359 00:26:32,981 --> 00:26:34,721 The Review Commission have to know about this. 360 00:26:34,742 --> 00:26:36,836 Would you speak to them? Go on the record? 361 00:26:36,832 --> 00:26:37,632 Sure. 362 00:26:37,631 --> 00:26:39,810 I'll talk to whoever you want, but it won't make a difference. 363 00:26:40,004 --> 00:26:41,984 Right now, Libya is right where we want them. 364 00:26:42,358 --> 00:26:44,598 Tomorrow, that could all be flipped. 365 00:26:44,832 --> 00:26:46,952 Libya has oil, remember. 366 00:26:47,226 --> 00:26:49,205 Suddenly Gaddafi will be back in favour, 367 00:26:49,201 --> 00:26:51,160 or he'll buy his way back into favour. 368 00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:54,800 And Megrahi will stay guilty for as long as they need him to. 369 00:26:56,642 --> 00:26:58,742 It's all transactional, Jim... 370 00:26:59,022 --> 00:27:00,229 so tread carefully. 371 00:27:00,252 --> 00:27:02,964 You don't want to be on loose footing when the sands shift. 372 00:27:09,926 --> 00:27:13,225 There it is, our full report ready to be submitted 373 00:27:13,218 --> 00:27:15,507 to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission. 374 00:27:15,503 --> 00:27:17,782 Where's the champagne, then? 375 00:27:17,777 --> 00:27:19,816 On ice. For now, it's the pub. 376 00:27:19,812 --> 00:27:21,752 We have to get it accepted first. 377 00:27:25,996 --> 00:27:28,555 We appreciate what you've gone through to help out. 378 00:27:28,550 --> 00:27:30,949 How long will it take the Review Commission to decide? 379 00:27:30,944 --> 00:27:33,484 Well, they're professionals, they know what they're doing. 380 00:27:37,242 --> 00:27:38,288 Thank you. 381 00:27:38,286 --> 00:27:40,706 It's a man's incarceration we're talking about. 382 00:27:42,921 --> 00:27:44,454 I'd say a year... 383 00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:47,527 ...maybe less. 384 00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:13,263 They took their time... 385 00:28:13,498 --> 00:28:15,857 but the Review Commission have finally 386 00:28:15,852 --> 00:28:18,332 delivered their statement of reasons. 387 00:28:21,419 --> 00:28:23,239 They rejected all of our submissions. 388 00:28:23,433 --> 00:28:25,233 Shit. 389 00:28:29,897 --> 00:28:31,577 Apart from six. 390 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,959 Six grounds for referral back to an Appeal Court. 391 00:28:42,466 --> 00:28:44,346 The first ground of referral. 392 00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:45,840 Unreasonable verdict. 393 00:28:45,837 --> 00:28:48,516 The judges were satisfied the purchase of clothing 394 00:28:48,511 --> 00:28:51,990 was made from Gauci's shop on December 7th, 1988, 395 00:28:51,982 --> 00:28:54,021 when Megrahi was in Malta. 396 00:28:54,017 --> 00:28:57,176 But Tony Gauci was never clear on the exact purchase date. 397 00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,608 He tell the court a Libyan customer buy umbrella from his shop 398 00:29:00,601 --> 00:29:02,061 because it's raining outside. 399 00:29:02,416 --> 00:29:05,796 My defence team called Malta's chief meteorologist... 400 00:29:05,828 --> 00:29:07,868 Who said there was no rain on the 7th of December. 401 00:29:07,901 --> 00:29:09,203 Yes, but... 402 00:29:09,837 --> 00:29:13,016 there was rain on the 23rd of November. 403 00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:16,470 The only other potential purchase date matching Gauci's statement... 404 00:29:17,459 --> 00:29:21,459 and I was not on Malta on the 23rd of November. 405 00:29:22,367 --> 00:29:24,306 - Baset? - Please... 406 00:29:24,301 --> 00:29:25,660 I must use bathroom. 407 00:29:25,659 --> 00:29:28,058 Referral grounds two and three, 408 00:29:28,052 --> 00:29:30,171 undisclosed evidence relating 409 00:29:30,167 --> 00:29:32,726 to Gauci's identification of Megrahi, 410 00:29:32,721 --> 00:29:36,661 and the date when the clothes were purchased from his shop. 411 00:29:38,087 --> 00:29:39,167 Thank you. 412 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,301 When the Commission looked into this... 413 00:29:42,322 --> 00:29:43,667 Everything alright? 414 00:29:44,006 --> 00:29:47,532 ...they found that Gauci actually gave 23 statements, 415 00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:51,163 and he was visited by the Scottish Police, Jim, more than 50 times. 416 00:29:51,155 --> 00:29:52,674 - 50? - 50. 417 00:29:52,671 --> 00:29:56,150 You remember, only 19 of his statements were given to my defence team. 418 00:29:56,143 --> 00:30:00,142 The details of these meetings, they have never been revealed. 419 00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:02,291 What else did Gauci claim in them, I wonder? 420 00:30:02,287 --> 00:30:04,686 By withholding this information, 421 00:30:04,681 --> 00:30:09,560 the Crown denied the defence items of real importance... 422 00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:11,988 in undermining the Crown case. 423 00:30:11,983 --> 00:30:14,582 Fourth referral. Undisclosed evidence 424 00:30:14,576 --> 00:30:16,955 about Gauci's interest in rewards. 425 00:30:16,951 --> 00:30:20,470 The commission discovered three Scottish police documents 426 00:30:20,462 --> 00:30:22,342 that suggested that Gauci... 427 00:30:22,856 --> 00:30:26,175 Gauchi was aware that a substantial reward 428 00:30:26,167 --> 00:30:28,526 was an offer from the US Government. 429 00:30:29,001 --> 00:30:30,801 A reward for giving evidence? 430 00:30:31,594 --> 00:30:33,354 Jesus! Did he get paid? 431 00:30:33,630 --> 00:30:38,049 Referral five. Undisclosed secret intelligence documents. 432 00:30:38,038 --> 00:30:40,317 Last year, the Crown informed the commission 433 00:30:40,313 --> 00:30:44,092 of two classified documents held at Dumfries police station. 434 00:30:44,083 --> 00:30:46,662 The commission believes non-disclosure 435 00:30:46,657 --> 00:30:48,717 of one of the documents indicates... 436 00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:51,909 that a miscarriage of justice may have occurred. 437 00:30:51,904 --> 00:30:53,899 That is what we were waiting for. 438 00:30:53,918 --> 00:30:55,357 Music to my ears. 439 00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:58,414 It's all centered, everything, on Gauci's evidence. 440 00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:00,987 They seem to have dismissed pretty much everything else. 441 00:31:00,982 --> 00:31:03,541 There's nothing here about Robert Baer, PFLP-GC. 442 00:31:03,535 --> 00:31:06,035 There's nothing whatsoever about the timer fragment. 443 00:31:11,734 --> 00:31:13,174 You're frustrated. 444 00:31:13,889 --> 00:31:15,969 I'm happy for you, of course, I am. 445 00:31:16,775 --> 00:31:20,062 But there's nothing in here that helps us discover what did happen. 446 00:31:20,154 --> 00:31:22,394 Nothing that gets us closer to the truth. 447 00:31:22,628 --> 00:31:23,788 It's, uh... 448 00:31:24,303 --> 00:31:26,383 You would say, one step at a time. 449 00:31:26,697 --> 00:31:28,857 So, Jim, one step at a time. 450 00:31:55,026 --> 00:31:56,986 I didn't think I'd see you again. 451 00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,817 So you left the Dumfries force? 452 00:32:03,286 --> 00:32:05,105 Megrahi got his second appeal. 453 00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:08,162 Second appeal. Possible miscarriage of justice. 454 00:32:08,726 --> 00:32:11,373 And the Crown with a hell of a lot of questions to answer. 455 00:32:11,824 --> 00:32:14,623 Including one about undisclosed secret documents 456 00:32:14,618 --> 00:32:16,458 held at your police station. 457 00:32:18,488 --> 00:32:20,567 I'll drive. You talk. 458 00:32:22,099 --> 00:32:24,498 One of these documents is a letter from the King of Jordan 459 00:32:24,494 --> 00:32:26,213 to the then Prime Minister John Major, 460 00:32:26,209 --> 00:32:29,208 intimating that the Libyans were innocent of the crime. 461 00:32:29,202 --> 00:32:33,141 It points the finger at the PFLP-GC and the bomb maker Marwan Khreesat, 462 00:32:33,132 --> 00:32:34,671 who is believed by many, 463 00:32:34,668 --> 00:32:37,747 including and according to Robert Baer and most of the CIA, 464 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:40,819 to have built the bomb that brought down Flight 103. 465 00:32:40,813 --> 00:32:43,972 Now, these documents were known to the Crown during the trial, 466 00:32:43,965 --> 00:32:46,224 and they withheld them from the defence. 467 00:32:46,219 --> 00:32:47,798 We're still not allowed to see them. 468 00:32:47,795 --> 00:32:49,375 So what are we talking about here? 469 00:32:49,651 --> 00:32:51,790 A cover-up? Was Megrahi framed? 470 00:32:51,785 --> 00:32:55,404 Whatever it is, they want to keep it buried. It's mucky as hell. 471 00:32:55,396 --> 00:32:57,396 So why are you still standing here? 472 00:32:57,551 --> 00:33:01,270 Go and talk to people and find out what they're not telling us. 473 00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:03,700 Then write the bloody thing. 474 00:33:09,841 --> 00:33:11,441 Jim, it's Murray. 475 00:33:11,461 --> 00:33:12,956 Good to hear from you, Murray. 476 00:33:13,272 --> 00:33:15,331 Wait till you hear what I've got for you. 477 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:18,307 - Front page? - Without a doubt. 478 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080 What do you mean we can't publish it? 479 00:33:29,138 --> 00:33:31,292 - We want to... - But you can't. 480 00:33:32,065 --> 00:33:34,484 - Phil Marsden, our lawyer. - Why the hell not? 481 00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:37,758 We ran the story past the FCO for comment. 482 00:33:37,751 --> 00:33:40,030 I got a call back threatening legal action. 483 00:33:40,025 --> 00:33:41,800 You don't think that's just scare tactics? 484 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:43,699 The Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, 485 00:33:43,695 --> 00:33:48,110 has issued a public interest immunity certificate, a PII. 486 00:33:48,124 --> 00:33:50,243 - What? - For reasons of national security. 487 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,279 To protect the contents of certain documents. 488 00:33:53,272 --> 00:33:56,071 These documents your source is talking about 489 00:33:56,065 --> 00:33:58,824 may well be the same ones Megrahi's defence team 490 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:02,119 were denied access to under that PII. 491 00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:07,780 We're still going to print it, right? 492 00:34:08,055 --> 00:34:11,574 - Publish and be damned and all that? - You'll be damned, and I'll be sued. 493 00:34:11,566 --> 00:34:15,206 And your legal fees alone will mean this newspaper goes down. 494 00:34:19,866 --> 00:34:22,125 I just don't get it. The documents in that safe, 495 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,399 - they're over 20 years old. - Makes no matter. 496 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,775 This is the long arm of the state. 497 00:34:29,096 --> 00:34:32,548 For national security, read intelligence services, MI6, 498 00:34:32,565 --> 00:34:34,654 CIA, who knows who else? Protected like they always are... 499 00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:36,049 You said you'd publish it. 500 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:38,044 You phoned me up and you told me you'd publish it. 501 00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:39,274 - Yeah, I know, but... - No. 502 00:34:39,338 --> 00:34:42,298 Take it somewhere else. Someone will print it. Someone not afraid of them. 503 00:34:43,048 --> 00:34:44,808 Not gonna do that. 504 00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:50,633 Give it to me. 505 00:34:51,507 --> 00:34:52,747 I will. 506 00:34:53,581 --> 00:34:55,462 I'm not going to let them get away with it. 507 00:34:55,896 --> 00:34:57,696 This is serious. 508 00:34:57,931 --> 00:34:59,910 You need to see sense. You could be sued. 509 00:34:59,906 --> 00:35:01,206 I could be sued. 510 00:35:13,012 --> 00:35:16,307 You ever think this might be a lost cause, Jim? 511 00:35:17,362 --> 00:35:20,482 That they will never allow us to know the truth? 512 00:35:22,151 --> 00:35:24,151 I never thought I'd hear you say that. 513 00:35:35,078 --> 00:35:37,518 I'm so sorry, but it's cancer. 514 00:35:37,951 --> 00:35:39,711 Prostate cancer. 515 00:35:49,962 --> 00:35:51,822 Will he survive? 516 00:35:52,914 --> 00:35:55,474 I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that. 517 00:35:56,665 --> 00:35:58,105 I'm sorry. 518 00:36:14,381 --> 00:36:15,541 How is he? 519 00:36:31,324 --> 00:36:32,778 Thank you. 520 00:36:37,455 --> 00:36:39,043 How're you doing? 521 00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:42,933 Please, go sit down. 522 00:36:42,929 --> 00:36:45,229 OK. I can do it. I can do it. 523 00:36:53,842 --> 00:36:55,321 You have been told? 524 00:36:55,518 --> 00:36:56,598 Yes. 525 00:36:59,109 --> 00:37:00,509 Is it... 526 00:37:01,423 --> 00:37:02,486 severe? 527 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,500 Yes. Yes, it is. 528 00:37:05,782 --> 00:37:09,072 But I've had patients who fought their cancer, who beat it. 529 00:37:09,065 --> 00:37:12,064 And you, Baset, you're a fighter. 530 00:37:12,057 --> 00:37:13,277 Mmm. 531 00:37:24,127 --> 00:37:26,127 I don't want to die here, Jim. 532 00:37:26,321 --> 00:37:27,841 I don't want that either. 533 00:37:28,077 --> 00:37:31,037 I don't want my family to see me die here. 534 00:37:32,746 --> 00:37:35,706 I want to go home to die. 535 00:37:43,439 --> 00:37:44,559 Jim... 536 00:37:48,945 --> 00:37:52,284 ...the UK and Libya are negotiating 537 00:37:52,277 --> 00:37:55,257 a prisoner transfer agreement. 538 00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:56,848 I heard. 539 00:37:57,165 --> 00:38:01,605 I will be instructing my Libyan lawyers to make an application to... 540 00:38:02,751 --> 00:38:07,071 ...return home and serve whatever time I have left there. 541 00:38:07,818 --> 00:38:09,378 And what about your appeal? 542 00:38:12,607 --> 00:38:14,327 You think I would give it up? 543 00:38:16,397 --> 00:38:19,317 If Prisoner Transfer is granted, you'll be in Libya. 544 00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:22,026 Jim... 545 00:38:23,938 --> 00:38:25,178 OK... 546 00:38:26,611 --> 00:38:29,451 ...I have said to you before, I will say it again. 547 00:38:30,282 --> 00:38:33,802 I will not go down in history as a Lockerbie bomber. 548 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:37,510 I will not let them do that to me. 549 00:38:37,704 --> 00:38:40,464 I will never give up my appeal. 550 00:38:42,435 --> 00:38:43,932 Whether I am here, 551 00:38:44,168 --> 00:38:46,248 in Libya, dead or alive... 552 00:38:46,642 --> 00:38:48,562 my appeal will go to court. 553 00:38:50,951 --> 00:38:53,551 Trust me and you will get what you want. 554 00:39:05,129 --> 00:39:06,888 My name will be cleared, 555 00:39:07,017 --> 00:39:09,671 and you will go on and find out who really did this. 556 00:39:18,242 --> 00:39:21,202 Baset, I'm afraid there's a problem. 557 00:39:24,428 --> 00:39:26,228 Under Scottish law... 558 00:39:28,857 --> 00:39:31,036 ...to be considered for a PT, 559 00:39:31,031 --> 00:39:34,871 a prisoner can't have an appeal ongoing. 560 00:39:36,637 --> 00:39:38,237 You'd have to give it up. 561 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,545 Baset, there is another way. 562 00:39:44,498 --> 00:39:46,813 You're released on compassionate grounds. 563 00:39:46,832 --> 00:39:49,847 You'll be examined by three separate doctors 564 00:39:49,864 --> 00:39:51,444 who will decide... 565 00:39:51,945 --> 00:39:53,759 how long you have to live. 566 00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:57,889 And if it's less than three months, 567 00:39:57,884 --> 00:40:00,163 then there's a good possibility 568 00:40:00,158 --> 00:40:04,178 that you will return home and you can keep your appeal. 569 00:40:05,764 --> 00:40:07,444 These are the options. 570 00:40:08,877 --> 00:40:10,397 You must decide. 571 00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:14,488 Well, we have beliefs and values in Scotland that 572 00:40:14,483 --> 00:40:17,482 those who perpetrate crimes, certainly heinous atrocities 573 00:40:17,475 --> 00:40:19,494 such as this, should be brought to justice. 574 00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:20,909 That has been done. 575 00:40:20,906 --> 00:40:24,545 Equally, we recognise that justice has to be tempered by mercy. 576 00:40:24,537 --> 00:40:26,936 That there has to be the ability to recognise 577 00:40:26,932 --> 00:40:29,891 that although he did not show compassion to the victims, 578 00:40:29,884 --> 00:40:33,043 that doesn't mean that we should lower our beliefs, or our values. 579 00:40:33,036 --> 00:40:34,995 A campaign for the release of the man 580 00:40:34,991 --> 00:40:37,350 convicted of the Lockerbie bombing was launched today. 581 00:40:37,346 --> 00:40:40,345 Justice for Megrahi is appealing for the early release 582 00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:43,257 of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds. 583 00:40:43,251 --> 00:40:46,330 I just think it is absolutely wrong to release someone 584 00:40:46,323 --> 00:40:49,942 who has been imprisoned based on evidence, 585 00:40:50,134 --> 00:40:53,769 about his involvement in such a horrendous crime. 586 00:40:53,785 --> 00:40:55,384 I think this is a very bad decision. 587 00:40:55,381 --> 00:40:58,900 This man was convicted of murdering 270 people. 588 00:40:58,892 --> 00:41:02,411 Some claim economic influences were key 589 00:41:02,404 --> 00:41:04,883 to the deal struck by Tony Blair and Colonel Gaddafi 590 00:41:04,877 --> 00:41:07,316 on the potential release of the Lockerbie bomber, 591 00:41:07,312 --> 00:41:09,232 the so-called "deal in the desert." 592 00:41:09,252 --> 00:41:12,066 The fact that Libyan oil reserves are now understood 593 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:15,498 to be far greater than they may have thought to have been in the past... 594 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:17,110 shouldn't be overlooked. 595 00:41:17,306 --> 00:41:19,125 Megrahi will continue with his appeal, 596 00:41:19,122 --> 00:41:21,201 and regardless of opinion on his conviction, 597 00:41:21,196 --> 00:41:24,275 the Justice For Megrahi campaign urges the Scottish government 598 00:41:24,269 --> 00:41:27,809 to send Mr Megrahi back to Libya on compassionate grounds. 599 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,600 Jim, take it off. 600 00:41:45,915 --> 00:41:47,915 Please. Not here. Not today. 601 00:41:47,935 --> 00:41:49,270 I'm not ashamed. 602 00:41:50,065 --> 00:41:52,905 - I'll look them in the eye. - For us...? 603 00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:54,977 Do it for us. 604 00:42:02,753 --> 00:42:05,513 John Michael Gerard Ahern. 605 00:42:06,424 --> 00:42:08,824 Sarah Margaret Aicher. 606 00:42:09,921 --> 00:42:12,281 John David Ackerstrom. 607 00:42:12,874 --> 00:42:15,114 Ronald Ely Alexander. 608 00:42:16,478 --> 00:42:18,678 Thomas Joseph Ammerman. 609 00:42:19,471 --> 00:42:21,631 Bridget Concannon. 610 00:42:22,344 --> 00:42:24,104 Thomas Concannon. 611 00:42:24,379 --> 00:42:26,899 Roger Elwood Hurst. 612 00:42:27,452 --> 00:42:30,191 Elizabeth Sophie Ivell. 613 00:42:30,185 --> 00:42:33,004 Andrew Alexander Teran. 614 00:42:33,357 --> 00:42:36,277 Arva Anthony Thomas. 615 00:42:36,709 --> 00:42:39,509 Jonathan Ryan Thomas. 616 00:42:39,741 --> 00:42:43,421 Flora McDonald Margaret Swire. 617 00:42:53,061 --> 00:42:55,321 I don't know what he thinks he's doing. 618 00:42:56,276 --> 00:42:59,055 This should be about remembrance, not politics. 619 00:42:59,072 --> 00:43:00,972 I can't believe he's here. 620 00:43:02,131 --> 00:43:05,365 It's a disgrace. He's befriended a killer. 621 00:43:30,375 --> 00:43:32,535 Lovely to see you again. 622 00:43:41,008 --> 00:43:43,328 Four grandkids myself actually. Yeah. 623 00:43:44,162 --> 00:43:45,500 Is it Ellen? 624 00:43:46,437 --> 00:43:48,875 - Jane's spoken a lot about you. - Sorry. This is... 625 00:43:48,894 --> 00:43:52,069 - Jim, my husband. - Yes, I know. Hello, Jim. 626 00:43:55,153 --> 00:43:58,028 Look, I'm sorry, I think we're running low on hot water. 627 00:43:58,046 --> 00:43:59,466 I'll see you shortly. 628 00:44:05,613 --> 00:44:07,527 Um, I'd like to go. 629 00:44:13,207 --> 00:44:16,228 Everyone here agrees with me, the world agrees. 630 00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:20,675 Releasing Megrahi would be insane, immoral, reprehensible. 631 00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:23,629 He has to serve his time here in Scotland. 632 00:44:23,622 --> 00:44:26,902 Then they can send his ashes back to Libya in a casket. 633 00:44:29,686 --> 00:44:31,427 Jim. Jim! 634 00:44:40,328 --> 00:44:42,740 Can't you see it from their point of view for one second? 635 00:44:42,735 --> 00:44:45,134 It is so completely irrational. 636 00:44:45,128 --> 00:44:47,588 Who are you to decide what's rational or irrational? 637 00:44:47,981 --> 00:44:50,440 Maybe this appeal isn't rational to them. 638 00:44:50,435 --> 00:44:51,994 Maybe none of this is rational 639 00:44:51,992 --> 00:44:54,231 to people who process their grief by moving forwards 640 00:44:54,226 --> 00:44:56,985 rather than scrambling around in the past. 641 00:44:56,979 --> 00:44:58,898 They're hurt and they're angry. 642 00:44:58,894 --> 00:45:02,094 - And completely fixated on one man. - Oh, not like you, then? 643 00:45:09,029 --> 00:45:10,769 That's how they cope. 644 00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:13,863 - This is how you cope. - I am not coping. 645 00:45:13,857 --> 00:45:16,797 Oh, yes, of course. You're doing this for Flora. What you always say. 646 00:45:17,428 --> 00:45:19,988 But it's not about Flora anymore, Jim. 647 00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:23,660 It's not even about him. 648 00:45:26,837 --> 00:45:28,405 You have visitors. 649 00:45:30,671 --> 00:45:33,094 You're just doing anything you can to avoid grieving. 650 00:45:33,090 --> 00:45:35,150 - That is simply not true. - Jim! 651 00:45:35,782 --> 00:45:37,582 You can't sit still. 652 00:45:37,877 --> 00:45:42,057 You can't be silent for one moment to take in what happened to us. 653 00:45:42,685 --> 00:45:45,144 If you did, then you'd see the-the damage. 654 00:45:45,139 --> 00:45:48,139 - You're saying this is my fault? - No. I'm to blame, too. 655 00:45:49,302 --> 00:45:51,342 But you're missing everything, Jim. 656 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,600 We need you now before it's too late. 657 00:46:03,653 --> 00:46:07,253 Baset has promised me he's committed to fighting this. 658 00:46:22,446 --> 00:46:24,286 Once his appeal is over, 659 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,400 we will find out who really did this. 50939

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