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Go and have the time of your life.
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A newsflash.
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Plane's gone down.
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- Murray Guthrie.
- Jim Swire.
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Full disclosure, I'm a journalist.
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They say in the press it may have
been Iran, revenge attack.
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Anonymous phone call
made to the US Embassy.
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Embassy dismissed it as a hoax.
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Your government knew. They all knew.
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I have nightmares.
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Was our daughter conscious
as she fell through the sky?
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How did a bomb get through airport
security and onto Flight 103?
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Why is there so much secrecy
around this?
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Are we ever going to know
what really happened?
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I will never stop. Not until
we know the answer to everything.
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You've reached the Swire household.
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We're not home to take
your call at the moment.
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Please leave a message after the beep
and we'll get back to you.
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Oh, hi, Jim. Murray here.
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I hope you're sitting down,
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because I've just heard Thatcher's
ordered an independent inquiry...
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...into the Strangeways Prison riot.
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Sum total of deaths, two.
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So we now have inquiries into
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the Clapham Junction crash, 35 deaths,
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the King's Cross fire, 31 deaths,
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and the Piper Alpha disaster,
167 deaths.
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But bugger all for Lockerbie.
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Bugger all for 270 dead.
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I mean...
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...what is it with these people?
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What the hell do you have to do to
make them sit up and take notice?
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Actually get off their arses
and do something?
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What is it they're hiding?
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What's going on?
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Security spot checks on luggage.
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- Am I OK to look inside?
- Yes.
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Where are you flying to, sir?
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Boston, via JFK.
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Have you taken the batteries out, sir?
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We have new safety rules.
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Yes. Yeah, I have. Mm-hmm.
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Thank you.
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Have a safe flight.
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- Sorry. Sorry, the traffic.
- Hello, darling.
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- Don't worry. How are you?
- Good. How are you?
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Good.
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Oh, it was a gift.
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Flora's boyfriend's father
painted it and sent it over for us.
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He's really caught her,
don't you think?
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You don't think there's
enough reminders?
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It's not Flora.
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Dad made it to the airport alright?
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Oh-Oh, yeah.
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Did you get any sleep last night?
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Hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey.
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Sit down and put your feet up.
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I'll take those bags upstairs,
then I'll make us some tea.
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OK?
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You OK?
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Mum, please. Will you go
and speak to someone?
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It's OK. I'm fine.
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I'm fine, Cathy. I'm fine.
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It's fine.
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Hello, Jim.
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It's good to see you.
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Everyone's excited
to finally meet you in person.
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My very own homemade version...
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...of the bomb
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which blew up Flight 103.
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You brought that with you on a plane?
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Is that Semtex?
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A very pliable,
odourless plastic explosive
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favoured by paramilitary groups
and terrorists.
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I used marzipan.
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Jim, I'm sorry.
Are you out of your mind?
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How many times have we been told
airport security has improved,
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that a bomb would never get
onto a plane nowadays?
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Yeah sure, but is this
the way to call them out?
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A security officer at Heathrow
picked it up, looked at it,
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and wished me a safe onward journey.
I got through three sets
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of security checks to get here
via JFK. I wasn't stopped once.
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Now, I'm sorry
if this upsets some of you.
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I wanted it to be impossible
for me to do this, believe me.
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The fact is, it wasn't.
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And people need to know.
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Did you know about the fake bomb?
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Do you agree with
what your father's done?
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Incredible, audacious,
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an act of gross stupidity.
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Just some of the reactions
to Dr Jim Swire,
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spokesman for UK Families Flight 103.
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Why? Because he built
a fake bomb in his home
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- and carried it in a suitcase...
- Did you know about this?
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- ...on a flight from London to New York.
- No.
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The same route on which his daughter,
Flora, was killed.
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If I was a terrorist, another plane
would have been blown out of the sky.
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Hundreds more innocent people
would have been murdered.
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24 hours since touching
down in the US, Dr Swire has-
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The Midlands doctor, whose daughter
died in the Lockerbie plane bomb-
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I cannot stress strongly enough
this government's determination
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to enforce the highest standards
of aviation security.
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And we will be speaking to
Dr Swire on his return to the UK.
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Finally.
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Questioned. Given a verbal warning.
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"Bad boy, don't do it again."
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I'm sorry.
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What hurts the most
is being kept in the dark.
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I didn't want to get you involved.
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There were press people outside,
Jim, dozens of them.
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We hadn't a clue what was going on.
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And what if you had been arrested,
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here or in America?
Wh-Wh-What would I have done?
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And the kids.
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Did you think about any of us?
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- Did Murray put you up to this?
- No.
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No, all my own doing.
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Is that why you've been shut up
in your study all this time?
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You've barely spoken a word to us.
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Spineless government
hiding behind secrets,
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criminal investigation taking forever.
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I just wanted to make some noise.
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- Do something.
- You are doing something.
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You're constantly giving interviews,
writing letters.
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- Howling at the moon.
- No. No, Jim. That's not true.
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This will cause consternation
and tutting for a few days,
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then it will all go quiet again.
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I should have told you.
It was wrong of me.
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It's all for her.
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You haven't stopped since she died.
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What else can I do?
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For now...
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...take a step back.
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You have me...
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you have two other children.
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Be with us.
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Good to be back.
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Here it goes.
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- Thanks, darling.
- You're going down.
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Ready?
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- Steady.
- Go!
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What? No!
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No, no! No, no!
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Get behind me.
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Thanks, Dad.
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Now, three years later,
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two suspects have finally
been identified.
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Their names announced earlier today
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by Scotland's Lord Advocate,
Peter Fraser.
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And yesterday, Mr McDougall obtained
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from him the grant of warrants
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for the arrest of two
Libyan nationals...
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- Libya? I thought Iran did it?
- ...on charges of conspiracy,
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murder and contravention
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of the Aviation Security Act of 1982.
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The two accused are...
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Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed al-Megrahi...
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and Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah.
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- Both accused are believed...
- They did it...
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to be in Libya.
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The warrants will be
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- circulated to Interpol...
- They got them.
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...but it is considered unlikely
that they will be arrested.
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So I've gone through the indictment
and set it out in layman's terms,
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together with some of the other
information that we have.
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As we know, the bomb...
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...hand-built presumably,
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was hidden inside a Toshiba BomBeat
radio-cassette recorder
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and placed amongst
articles of clothing...
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...inside a brown Samsonite suitcase.
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Now, we know this because
blast-charred fragments
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of clothing and suitcase were found
by search teams in Lockerbie
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and forensically examined
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by the Royal Armament Research
and Development Establishment.
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Now at the same time,
a baggage record from Frankfurt
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was turned over to Scottish police.
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It flagged one unattended
piece of luggage,
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a suitcase not connected
with anybody on the flight.
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That suitcase was destined
for Pan Am 103.
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Via Frankfurt,
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it had originated... in Malta.
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Forensic experts then looked more
closely at the damaged clothing,
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finding a pair of Yorkie trousers,
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which Scottish police traced
to a clothing manufacturer,
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also on Malta.
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That manufacturer then led them
to one of their buyers.
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A shop called Mary's House,
again on Malta.
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Now, Mary's House is owned
by the Gauci family.
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Tony Gauci has positively
identified one of the suspects,
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Megrahi, to Scottish police
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as the man he sold the clothing to
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on December 7th, 1988.
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And then, amazingly...
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...found lodged inside the remnants
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of one of the shirts that Gauci sold...
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...was this.
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Tiny piece of electronic circuit board.
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This... is absolutely central
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to the Crown's prosecution case.
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Both British and American
forensic experts agree...
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...this is part of the timer...
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...attached to the bomb's detonator.
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It was made by a Swiss firm
based in Zurich, MEBO,
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owned by Edwin Bollier
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and Erwin Meister.
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MEBO supplied 20 of the timers
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exclusively to Libya.
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Not only this, but Megrahi
established a front company
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under the name ABH,
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used as a cover for Libyan
intelligence operations.
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This business was established
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in the same office building
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as MEBO.
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And here are our suspects.
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Both men live in Tripoli.
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Both are said to be
Libyan intelligence agents with...
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...Megrahi owning a second passport
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given to him by the Libyan
Intelligence Agency, the JSO.
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Both men worked
for Libyan-Arab airlines,
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with Megrahi as Head
of Airline Security until 1986.
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Fhimah, as Station Manager
at Malta airport until 1988.
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Police believe the bomb was put
onto the plane at Malta airport,
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using Fhimah's old security pass
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to gain airside access,
using Air Malta baggage tags
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to allow unaccompanied
baggage on board.
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That is how Fhimah and Megrahi
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were able to get the suitcase airside.
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That is how they were able to get
the bomb straight through customs,
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and bypass airport security.
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That is how these men
killed 270 people.
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- Hello?
- So let me get this straight.
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For almost three years, we've been told
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that Flight 103
was a revenge attack by Iran
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for the US shooting down its Airbus,
killing 290 people.
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They paid a Palestinian
terror group, the PFLP-GC,
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who are based in Syria,
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to carry out the bombing.
So, we've got...
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motives, named suspects.
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But then everything changes.
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We got it all wrong. It was Libya.
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Murray, have you actually
read the indictment?
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The evidence against them
is pretty damning.
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It's a remarkable
piece of detective work.
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You know, I heard an interesting
rumour this morning.
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President Bush rang Thatcher
three months after Lockerbie
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and told her, "Lay off Iran."
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And then, on top of that,
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a year later, Iraq invades Kuwait.
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So now, we need Syria's help...
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...to liberate Kuwait,
keep Iran sweet and out of the way.
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That's how you defeat Saddam.
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Can you not accept that the
Scottish investigators and the CIA
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- might have got this right?
- I'm just asking the question, Jim.
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The West kicks the Middle East
around like a football
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to suit its needs, always has done.
256
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I think that's what we're seeing
here. Now it's Libya's turn.
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Rogue state ruled by Colonel Gaddafi,
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a murderous nutjob with a history
of funding terrorism.
259
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Exactly. They have a history
of this kind of thing.
260
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And we've been trying to topple
Gaddafi for nearly a decade.
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- I mean, what better excuse?
- Murray, I'm sorry.
262
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I don't have time to listen
to your madcap theories.
263
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You mark my words, Jim. If you think...
264
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Gaddafi is going to let
the West railroad Libya,
265
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you've got another thing coming.
266
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You going to do anything about Gaddafi?
267
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The United States
carried out the attack
268
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in retaliation for what it said
were terrorist acts...
269
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Under the direct orders
of the Libyan regime.
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A noted 100 Libyans
were killed, 30 in Benghazi-
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The defiance of
Libyans in the street was apparent.
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Suicide squads will be
sent to attack American targets.
273
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Renewed anti-American
feeling within Libya.
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Syrian leader President
Assad pledging support for Gaddafi.
275
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Almost every major terrorist incident
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has been attributed
to Libya and Gaddafi.
277
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Libya implemented the
hijacking of a Pan Am jumbo jet
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carried out by four Palestinians.
279
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The bullet which
killed WPC Yvonne Fletcher
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came from Libyans inside the embassy.
281
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Supported the Irish Republican Army.
282
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This mad dog of the
Middle East referred to
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the slaughter in Rome and Vienna
airports as a noble act.
284
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Iran and Libya are two
of the most dangerous supporters
285
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of terrorism in the world.
286
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America is a powerful country.
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Will not intimidate us
288
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to accept a responsibility
that is not ours.
289
00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:25,787
Oh, my God!
290
00:27:29,347 --> 00:27:30,907
My apologies.
291
00:27:31,707 --> 00:27:33,547
I did not mean to frighten you.
292
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Who the hell are you?
293
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My name is Nabil Nagameldin.
294
00:27:42,547 --> 00:27:45,087
I work for the Al-Ahram
newspaper in Cairo.
295
00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:51,767
I have come to tell you that
296
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Gaddafi will never release
these two suspects.
297
00:27:54,587 --> 00:27:57,730
- That isn't possible.
- Oh, no, I'm afraid it is.
298
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Libya is under immense international
pressure to hand them over.
299
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Which would make
most countries capitulate.
300
00:28:03,987 --> 00:28:05,862
But Libya is not most countries.
301
00:28:05,887 --> 00:28:08,026
Libya is ruled by Muammar Gaddafi,
302
00:28:08,027 --> 00:28:11,392
who loves nothing more than
thumbing his nose at the West.
303
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,348
He will stall and obstruct
at every turn.
304
00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:18,928
But he's not stupid.
He knows that he has to assuage
305
00:28:18,929 --> 00:28:21,547
the other Middle Eastern
and African countries.
306
00:28:21,707 --> 00:28:23,347
So there are rumours...
307
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...these men will stand trial.
308
00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:28,467
But in Libya.
309
00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:31,467
No, they cannot be tried in Libya.
310
00:28:32,027 --> 00:28:34,486
It is imperative these men
stand trial in Scotland.
311
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I agree. That is why
I have come here with a request,
312
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or, more appropriately, an offer...
313
00:28:41,707 --> 00:28:44,987
...to take you to Libya
to meet with Colonel Gaddafi.
314
00:28:48,392 --> 00:28:50,224
I have contacts
in the Libyan government.
315
00:28:50,303 --> 00:28:52,086
I will write the article
and you will...
316
00:28:52,087 --> 00:28:54,187
you will grant me
an interview after your meeting.
317
00:28:55,427 --> 00:28:58,107
Why on Earth would I
do something like that?
318
00:28:58,827 --> 00:29:02,506
Look, Gaddafi is-is-
is impetuous and impatient.
319
00:29:02,507 --> 00:29:05,226
He has to be approached
with-with certain,
320
00:29:05,227 --> 00:29:07,786
shall we say, unconventional ways.
321
00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:10,346
An approach like this from you,
322
00:29:10,347 --> 00:29:12,286
that is one of those ways,
I'm convinced.
323
00:29:12,287 --> 00:29:14,446
Gaddafi doesn't have
the first idea who I am.
324
00:29:14,447 --> 00:29:16,687
You are wrong, Dr Swire.
325
00:29:17,867 --> 00:29:19,987
In the Middle East, you have standing,
326
00:29:20,747 --> 00:29:22,107
you are known.
327
00:29:23,147 --> 00:29:24,627
You are admired.
328
00:29:24,907 --> 00:29:27,186
People respect you. Truly.
329
00:29:27,187 --> 00:29:29,687
They have seen you stand up
against your government.
330
00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:32,902
Look, next month in New York,
331
00:29:32,927 --> 00:29:36,961
the UN Security Council will be
meeting to discuss Resolution 731,
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00:29:36,986 --> 00:29:39,527
compelling Libya
to hand over the two suspects.
333
00:29:40,427 --> 00:29:42,287
Gaddafi will not comply.
334
00:29:42,347 --> 00:29:45,326
Your country and America's next
move will be to impose sanctions.
335
00:29:45,327 --> 00:29:47,006
The moment that happens,
336
00:29:47,007 --> 00:29:49,927
Libya will become
even more of a pariah state.
337
00:29:50,087 --> 00:29:51,987
Gaddafi's position will harden...
338
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,487
...and your-your Lockerbie trial
will be...
339
00:29:56,547 --> 00:29:58,347
...will be dead, finished.
340
00:30:02,947 --> 00:30:04,506
Tell me this is a bad joke.
341
00:30:04,533 --> 00:30:06,473
Are you sure he's not making it all up?
342
00:30:06,525 --> 00:30:07,900
Oh, no, he seems genuine.
343
00:30:07,925 --> 00:30:09,952
He writes for a newspaper in Cairo.
344
00:30:10,367 --> 00:30:11,826
Dad, you're not going.
345
00:30:11,827 --> 00:30:15,187
I didn't want to decide anything
until I'd spoken to all of you.
346
00:30:15,907 --> 00:30:17,326
He's right, though.
347
00:30:17,327 --> 00:30:19,666
If the UN do impose sanctions on Libya,
348
00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,427
those two men will never
stand trial in Scotland.
349
00:30:23,307 --> 00:30:25,126
- It's crazy, I know...
- Crazy?
350
00:30:25,127 --> 00:30:28,626
Terry Waite went to Beirut to
negotiate the release of hostages,
351
00:30:28,627 --> 00:30:30,846
and they locked him
in a basement for four years.
352
00:30:30,847 --> 00:30:32,827
Do I have any choice?
353
00:30:33,643 --> 00:30:36,726
If there's no trial, we will
never find out the truth.
354
00:30:36,727 --> 00:30:38,307
Do you know what they call Gaddafi?
355
00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:42,226
The Mad Dog. He's a dictator.
His regime murders people.
356
00:30:42,227 --> 00:30:43,486
I'm completely aware of that.
357
00:30:43,487 --> 00:30:46,366
I'm sure he's happy
to sit down with Jim Swire,
358
00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:49,647
a GP from Bromsgrove,
and give him whatever he wants.
359
00:30:50,407 --> 00:30:52,586
- Mum, are you gonna say anything?
- I have.
360
00:30:52,587 --> 00:30:55,266
- I didn't want it to descend into this.
- What did you expect?
361
00:30:55,267 --> 00:30:56,906
That we're all behind you?
362
00:30:56,907 --> 00:30:59,706
No, please... Will, please come back.
363
00:31:05,546 --> 00:31:09,717
Well, Gaddafi's popularity stems
from his nationalist achievements.
364
00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:12,422
Demanding higher prices for Libyan oil,
365
00:31:12,447 --> 00:31:14,246
expelling foreign military bases,
366
00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:17,746
support for Palestine
and other anti-imperialist causes.
367
00:31:17,987 --> 00:31:20,766
Gaddafi has also
had dozens of his critics
368
00:31:20,767 --> 00:31:23,787
around the world... assassinated.
369
00:31:27,427 --> 00:31:28,966
The moral support you wanted?
370
00:31:28,967 --> 00:31:31,006
- I have to do this.
- I can't tell you what to do.
371
00:31:31,007 --> 00:31:32,846
- You would go.
- Like a shot.
372
00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:34,686
But I don't have a family.
373
00:31:34,687 --> 00:31:38,387
I'm not a spokesman
for UK Families Flight 103.
374
00:31:40,587 --> 00:31:42,767
- Have you told them about this?
- Not yet.
375
00:31:43,547 --> 00:31:45,547
But I'm hoping they'll be in support.
376
00:31:48,067 --> 00:31:49,307
The group...
377
00:31:49,827 --> 00:31:52,546
The family's not exactly
happy about it.
378
00:31:54,987 --> 00:31:55,987
What?
379
00:31:56,347 --> 00:31:59,347
Just make sure they don't say
anything to anyone.
380
00:32:02,147 --> 00:32:04,582
- Why?
- Jim, are you kiddin'?
381
00:32:05,887 --> 00:32:08,306
You took a fake bomb
on a passenger plane.
382
00:32:08,587 --> 00:32:11,622
You've pissed off Thatcher's
government God knows how many times.
383
00:32:11,647 --> 00:32:13,747
- They'll be watching your every move.
- No.
384
00:32:15,807 --> 00:32:18,727
- You really think so?
- They'll get every fax before you do.
385
00:32:18,847 --> 00:32:20,222
Tap every phone call.
386
00:32:20,247 --> 00:32:22,087
They've probably been
listening in for years.
387
00:32:22,112 --> 00:32:24,286
From now on, you need
to be careful what you say.
388
00:32:24,287 --> 00:32:26,546
But I promised Jane
I'd phone her every day.
389
00:32:30,507 --> 00:32:32,466
Will they try to stop me, you think?
390
00:32:32,987 --> 00:32:35,982
Libya's been on the
state-sponsored terrorism list
391
00:32:36,007 --> 00:32:38,766
since 1979. So yeah,
392
00:32:38,767 --> 00:32:41,846
they might. You watch yourself.
393
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:44,708
You're no good to anyone dead.
394
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,109
If I call you and say, "Tell the
family everything's alright,"
395
00:32:54,148 --> 00:32:55,924
that means what it says.
396
00:32:56,564 --> 00:32:57,707
I'm safe.
397
00:32:57,708 --> 00:32:58,968
Bye, darling.
398
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:05,268
If I say, "Tell the family
everything's fine..."
399
00:33:05,568 --> 00:33:09,148
That means things are not going as
planned, but they're not critical.
400
00:33:11,188 --> 00:33:14,788
If I say, "Tell EVERY-one
everything's alright."
401
00:33:14,988 --> 00:33:16,688
That means I'm in danger.
402
00:33:17,048 --> 00:33:19,648
Phone the Foreign Office
and tell them to get me out.
403
00:33:20,728 --> 00:33:22,848
And what if you can't get to a phone?
404
00:35:57,188 --> 00:35:59,608
It's OK. We wait here.
405
00:36:03,008 --> 00:36:04,188
Who's this?
406
00:36:05,408 --> 00:36:08,164
It's, uh, the 1986 attack,
407
00:36:08,428 --> 00:36:10,788
when Reagan ordered
the bombing of Tripoli.
408
00:36:11,628 --> 00:36:14,747
Gaddafi's adoptive daughter,
Hannah, was killed instantly.
409
00:36:14,928 --> 00:36:16,947
She was 15 months old.
410
00:36:17,128 --> 00:36:18,728
He has never forgotten.
411
00:36:24,368 --> 00:36:25,608
Please.
412
00:36:29,328 --> 00:36:31,267
Um, I will wait for you here.
413
00:36:31,268 --> 00:36:33,188
Good luck, Dr Swire.
414
00:37:54,468 --> 00:37:56,387
Thank you for meeting with me, sir.
415
00:37:56,888 --> 00:37:58,808
You have come to talk with me.
416
00:38:00,108 --> 00:38:01,368
So, talk.
417
00:38:02,808 --> 00:38:05,088
We, um, myself...
418
00:38:06,048 --> 00:38:08,768
...and the families and relatives
of those who died,
419
00:38:09,668 --> 00:38:11,827
our utmost desire is, uh,
420
00:38:11,828 --> 00:38:12,987
to see justice done.
421
00:38:12,988 --> 00:38:15,587
So tell me, how will justice be done?
422
00:38:15,588 --> 00:38:17,747
Already the West has convicted them.
423
00:38:17,748 --> 00:38:19,507
They are the Lockerbie bombers.
424
00:38:19,508 --> 00:38:22,347
The Libyan mass murderers.
Is that justice?
425
00:38:22,348 --> 00:38:24,328
No, sir. It is not.
426
00:38:27,111 --> 00:38:28,408
If I may...
427
00:38:39,668 --> 00:38:40,848
I brought...
428
00:38:41,431 --> 00:38:43,048
some photographs...
429
00:38:43,888 --> 00:38:45,991
of my daughter. Flora.
430
00:38:55,951 --> 00:39:00,438
I ask only that the two men accused
of this crime be made to stand trial.
431
00:39:00,865 --> 00:39:02,803
I assure you,
they will be treated fairly.
432
00:39:02,828 --> 00:39:05,190
When has Libya
ever been treated fairly?
433
00:39:05,648 --> 00:39:08,670
Can you tell me?
My country is being blackmailed
434
00:39:08,671 --> 00:39:11,123
and bullied into compliance
by the Americans,
435
00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:13,111
by the UN, and your country.
436
00:39:15,124 --> 00:39:16,668
If you do as they wish...
437
00:39:16,693 --> 00:39:19,323
Why should I agree to a trial
here or anywhere?
438
00:39:19,348 --> 00:39:22,923
Did the cowardly American pilot
who dropped the missile on my home
439
00:39:22,948 --> 00:39:24,923
ever stand a trial? No.
440
00:39:24,948 --> 00:39:26,968
He was commended for his bravery.
441
00:39:28,048 --> 00:39:30,088
This meeting is over.
442
00:39:40,918 --> 00:39:42,768
Sir, we both lost daughters.
443
00:39:45,328 --> 00:39:47,328
I'm asking you, father to father.
444
00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:13,088
This is not about revenge.
445
00:40:18,008 --> 00:40:19,648
Pan Am 103.
446
00:40:20,928 --> 00:40:22,608
The truth must be known.
447
00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:30,368
I only want to know
who killed my daughter.
448
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,136
A British man who lost his daughter
in the Pan Am 103 bombing
449
00:41:03,137 --> 00:41:06,759
is being criticized for meeting
with Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi.
450
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,479
I fully understand the repugnance
at anyone shaking the hand
451
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,680
of Colonel Gaddafi...
452
00:41:10,705 --> 00:41:14,136
a man who may have known about,
or even ordered the Lockerbie plot.
453
00:41:14,137 --> 00:41:15,719
But let them also ask themselves
454
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,715
if they want to see these two men
stand trial or not.
455
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:22,635
I'm angry because the British
perception of Jim Swire
456
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:24,920
is that he speaks for all of us.
457
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,979
Well, Jim's heart
was in the right place,
458
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:32,379
but, uh, he left his brain at home.
459
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:35,597
The Libyans have won a propaganda
coup with this trip.
460
00:41:37,544 --> 00:41:39,863
Jim Swire has been duped by Gaddafi.
461
00:41:39,864 --> 00:41:42,680
Jim Swire has become Gaddafi's poodle.
462
00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:47,396
We're glad as a group
to have someone like Jim,
463
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:49,783
someone who is as active
464
00:41:49,784 --> 00:41:52,315
and committed and dedicated.
465
00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:54,160
Although it has, and...
466
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,920
it will cost him a great deal.
467
00:42:30,064 --> 00:42:32,703
- Pierre Salinger, ABC News.
- Hello, sir.
468
00:42:33,143 --> 00:42:35,875
I'm very grateful you've agreed
to speak with me, Mr Megrahi.
469
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,160
America is very interested in what
you have to say about these charges.
470
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,115
According to the indictment, you
travelled with a special suitcase
471
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:47,395
from Tripoli to Malta Airport
472
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:50,023
on the 20th of December, 1988.
473
00:42:50,024 --> 00:42:52,139
What you mean special suitcase?
474
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:54,080
A Samsonite suitcase.
475
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,183
No, that is wrong. Uh...
476
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,383
Whenever I go to Malta,
477
00:42:59,384 --> 00:43:02,200
which is a lot,
because of my job, I... I...
478
00:43:02,904 --> 00:43:05,623
I carry what I... what I carry in a...
479
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:07,635
a clothing case.
480
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:09,875
It's a small case, a small case.
481
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,160
A small case. Nev... Never big case.
482
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,755
You keep a diary, Mr Fhimah,
do you not?
483
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,303
- Yes, a personal diary.
- Hmm.
484
00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:23,075
They say you wrote a reminder to
take some Air Malta baggage tags,
485
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,795
the kind that get bags onto planes
unaccompanied from the airport.
486
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:28,543
Now, why would you have written that?
487
00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:31,556
If I could, uh, look at my diary,
488
00:43:31,983 --> 00:43:33,139
I could tell you why.
489
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:35,849
The indictment also says
that when you went to Malta
490
00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:37,299
on the 20th of December,
491
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,939
you did so on a false passport,
using a false name.
492
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:43,499
If I had written something
important in my diary,
493
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,059
I wouldn't have just left it there.
494
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:47,740
In other words, if you felt
there was something in there
495
00:43:47,765 --> 00:43:49,845
that might implicate you in some crime?
496
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:51,597
Exactly. Exactly.
497
00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:55,219
I'm, uh, surprised they tell me this.
498
00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:56,699
I'm here in Tripoli.
499
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,819
My family know I was here. I was
here. They know I was here.
500
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:01,699
Well, the indictment
says you were in Malta.
501
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,339
That you stayed at the Holiday Inn
on the night of the 20th,
502
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:07,739
into the 21st of December, 1988,
the day of the bombing.
503
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,899
My friend, I tell you, I'm...
I'm not on Malta on the day.
504
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:12,819
- I was here.
- You were here, in Tripoli,
505
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:14,940
- on the 21st of December?
- Yes.
506
00:45:27,540 --> 00:45:29,059
- Hello?
- Hello, Jim.
507
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:31,259
- Nabil.
- It's exactly as I feared.
508
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,979
The UN Security Council
have passed the resolution.
509
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:36,739
And now Gaddafi is refusing
to release the two suspects,
510
00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:39,340
- despite the sanctions.
- No.
511
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:41,580
We've reached a stalemate, Jim.
512
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,899
A standoff has begun.
513
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,699
The international
community will not tolerate
514
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,019
such threats to international
peace and security.
515
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:53,099
It is prepared to take
concerted political action
516
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,219
against the continuing defiance
517
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:58,619
represented by Libya's
state-supported terrorists.
518
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:00,579
At a five-year memorial service,
519
00:46:00,604 --> 00:46:03,555
President Clinton had appeared
to throw down the gauntlet
520
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:04,859
for the Pan Am bombing.
521
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:07,179
It was an attack on America.
522
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:09,899
The next logical
punitive step by the United Nations
523
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,660
would be to order a naval blockade.
524
00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:15,339
Libyan anger over United
Nations' sanction vote
525
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:16,819
has apparently come to a boil.
526
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:19,715
Demonstrators attacked foreign
embassies in Tripoli today.
527
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:21,259
..took to the streets to protest-
528
00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:23,939
US sanctions
have cost nearly $2.5 billion.
529
00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:27,259
My clients have advised me
that they cannot get a fair trial
530
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:30,419
in the United States where people
believe they're already guilty.
531
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:32,979
Under no circumstances
will they be extradited
532
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:35,299
- to face trial in the West.
- Sorry, we cannot.
533
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,379
It is unacceptable to say justice
in Scotland is not fair.
534
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:41,019
About time all sides stop shouting
at each other from the touchline.
535
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:44,059
I'm not here to talk politics.
I'm here to talk truth and justice.
536
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:46,739
We have the same
interest like Jim Swire.
537
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:50,339
We want the truth
to be revealed and to be found.
538
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:52,120
Have we done everything we could do?
539
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:55,299
Well, uh, if that's so,
it hasn't been enough.
540
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:58,419
Eight years after Pan
Am 103 was blown out of the sky,
541
00:46:58,420 --> 00:47:00,779
the case against
the suspected terrorist bombers
542
00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:03,499
is an international
standoff going nowhere.
543
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:06,019
Libya's leader refuses
to hand the men over.
544
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:09,379
Resolving the case of Pan Am 103
in a court of law
545
00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:11,179
seems as distant as ever.
546
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:13,420
My latest proposal will be my last.
547
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:16,180
If this doesn't work,
it may be the end of the line.
548
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:19,059
There is a slight chance
it will be accepted,
549
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:21,480
and any chance is better
than no chance.
550
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:30,679
Thank you for meeting me,
Professor Black.
551
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,600
Oh, please, Jim. It's, uh, Robert.
552
00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:34,700
I feel like I already know you.
553
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,820
Please.
554
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:39,079
After four long years,
555
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,479
this is where we stand.
556
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,119
We are proposing the trial
be held in a neutral country.
557
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,000
The Netherlands?
558
00:47:45,025 --> 00:47:47,399
Uh, it's the only way we'll
get the Libyans on board.
559
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,999
It's the same with the jury.
560
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,479
Their lawyers are arguing
that any jury will be biased.
561
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,319
So we're proposing a panel
of Scottish judges,
562
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,240
which Libya are still...
563
00:47:57,989 --> 00:47:59,639
..mulling over.
564
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:00,879
You've had quite a battle of it.
565
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,060
We are making legal history here.
566
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:07,460
Nothing like this on this scale
has ever been done before.
567
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,079
The only problem is
the US and the UK don't want
568
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,399
to be seen making concessions
to Gaddafi.
569
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,695
And Gaddafi wants the Arab world
to see him standing up
570
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,240
to the imperialistic dogs of the West.
571
00:48:20,226 --> 00:48:23,960
Behind closed doors, of course,
both sides are desperate to agree.
572
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,439
The UK and the US
for the sake of the families,
573
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,140
and Libya because UN sanctions
are slowly killing the country.
574
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,780
Right now, it's Gaddafi
that worries me.
575
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,591
I think he's about to walk away,
576
00:48:34,592 --> 00:48:36,192
whether his country collapses or not.
577
00:48:36,217 --> 00:48:37,326
You can't give up.
578
00:48:37,351 --> 00:48:40,760
I don't want to. I was born and
raised in Lockerbie, Jim.
579
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,580
We will do all we can. Believe me.
580
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:47,820
But unless we can get Gaddafi on board,
581
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:49,640
it's game over.
582
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:51,140
I'll help you.
583
00:48:54,457 --> 00:48:56,740
I have Gaddafi on speed dial.
584
00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:04,180
Last traces of my
sense of humour, Robert.
585
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:06,680
Ah.
586
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,340
But I'm serious.
587
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:16,060
We should go and pay him a visit.
588
00:49:57,212 --> 00:49:59,620
Don't take waiting this long
as a bad sign.
589
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,060
This is Professor Robert Black,
590
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,860
the legal expert
who first proposed the idea.
591
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,420
Have a seat.
592
00:50:40,266 --> 00:50:42,465
My patience is being tested.
593
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,495
My legal experts has been
in a discussion
594
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,119
with yours for many years.
595
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,620
We are impatient also,
but we must persevere.
596
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:54,500
Uh... Uh, the tide is turning, sir.
597
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:58,455
I note that the Arab League
have signalled their displeasure
598
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,240
at the current sanctions.
599
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,860
The whole world wants
to see this trial happen.
600
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,679
The one thing they aren't expecting
601
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,599
is for you to take the lead.
Send the suspects.
602
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,719
The... The trial will be fair,
your reputation intact.
603
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,580
And they will have no choice but
to lift the sanctions. You win.
604
00:51:17,806 --> 00:51:19,086
On every count, sir.
605
00:51:19,379 --> 00:51:21,540
A victory for both
you and your country.
606
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:25,020
The way you lead,
607
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,100
others will follow.
608
00:51:28,540 --> 00:51:31,079
The Libyan government
has finally agreed
609
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,839
to allow the suspects to be tried
610
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,700
in neutral territory
under Scottish law.
611
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:45,399
The trial masterminded
by Professor Robert Black,
612
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,839
will be held at a former airbase
in the Netherlands,
613
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,500
a first in international legal history.
614
00:52:15,157 --> 00:52:17,677
Some people said
there was never going to be
615
00:52:17,702 --> 00:52:20,335
a criminal trial into
the mass murder over Lockerbie.
616
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,469
There now is going to be
a criminal trial.
617
00:52:22,536 --> 00:52:23,840
And best of all, the relatives
618
00:52:23,865 --> 00:52:26,815
will now have the chance to hear
the evidence that we hold
619
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,900
brought out in a local court.
620
00:52:43,853 --> 00:52:45,980
I know you want to go to the trial.
621
00:52:47,646 --> 00:52:49,406
But after it's over,
622
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,060
I want you to promise me something.
623
00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:53,900
What?
624
00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:02,580
That that's the end of it.
625
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,900
You stop.
626
00:53:06,860 --> 00:53:09,189
You accept the verdict, whatever it is.
627
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,219
And we get you back.
628
00:53:31,992 --> 00:53:33,135
I promise.
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