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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:40,277 --> 00:00:42,796 Go and have the time of your life. 2 00:00:43,117 --> 00:00:44,497 A newsflash. 3 00:00:46,017 --> 00:00:47,477 Plane's gone down. 4 00:00:55,017 --> 00:00:56,756 - Murray Guthrie. - Jim Swire. 5 00:00:56,757 --> 00:00:58,236 Full disclosure, I'm a journalist. 6 00:00:58,237 --> 00:01:00,892 They say in the press it may have been Iran, revenge attack. 7 00:01:00,917 --> 00:01:03,116 Anonymous phone call made to the US Embassy. 8 00:01:03,117 --> 00:01:04,676 Embassy dismissed it as a hoax. 9 00:01:04,677 --> 00:01:07,436 Your government knew. They all knew. 10 00:01:07,437 --> 00:01:09,257 I have nightmares. 11 00:01:10,277 --> 00:01:12,876 Was our daughter conscious as she fell through the sky? 12 00:01:12,877 --> 00:01:17,076 How did a bomb get through airport security and onto Flight 103? 13 00:01:17,077 --> 00:01:19,476 Why is there so much secrecy around this? 14 00:01:19,477 --> 00:01:21,676 Are we ever going to know what really happened? 15 00:01:21,677 --> 00:01:25,377 I will never stop. Not until we know the answer to everything. 16 00:01:45,257 --> 00:01:47,396 You've reached the Swire household. 17 00:01:47,397 --> 00:01:49,316 We're not home to take your call at the moment. 18 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:52,732 Please leave a message after the beep and we'll get back to you. 19 00:01:53,172 --> 00:01:55,316 Oh, hi, Jim. Murray here. 20 00:01:55,497 --> 00:01:57,196 I hope you're sitting down, 21 00:01:57,617 --> 00:02:00,477 because I've just heard Thatcher's ordered an independent inquiry... 22 00:02:01,583 --> 00:02:04,102 ...into the Strangeways Prison riot. 23 00:02:04,450 --> 00:02:06,857 Sum total of deaths, two. 24 00:02:07,577 --> 00:02:09,516 So we now have inquiries into 25 00:02:09,517 --> 00:02:12,236 the Clapham Junction crash, 35 deaths, 26 00:02:12,237 --> 00:02:14,716 the King's Cross fire, 31 deaths, 27 00:02:14,717 --> 00:02:18,276 and the Piper Alpha disaster, 167 deaths. 28 00:02:18,277 --> 00:02:20,377 But bugger all for Lockerbie. 29 00:02:20,757 --> 00:02:23,417 Bugger all for 270 dead. 30 00:02:25,277 --> 00:02:27,116 I mean... 31 00:02:27,117 --> 00:02:28,977 ...what is it with these people? 32 00:02:29,277 --> 00:02:32,577 What the hell do you have to do to make them sit up and take notice? 33 00:02:33,283 --> 00:02:35,777 Actually get off their arses and do something? 34 00:02:37,257 --> 00:02:38,876 What is it they're hiding? 35 00:03:03,337 --> 00:03:04,796 What's going on? 36 00:03:04,797 --> 00:03:07,157 Security spot checks on luggage. 37 00:03:13,537 --> 00:03:16,777 - Am I OK to look inside? - Yes. 38 00:03:19,957 --> 00:03:21,697 Where are you flying to, sir? 39 00:03:21,917 --> 00:03:24,077 Boston, via JFK. 40 00:03:37,797 --> 00:03:39,617 Have you taken the batteries out, sir? 41 00:03:39,877 --> 00:03:41,577 We have new safety rules. 42 00:03:41,997 --> 00:03:43,977 Yes. Yeah, I have. Mm-hmm. 43 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:50,557 Thank you. 44 00:03:51,417 --> 00:03:53,097 Have a safe flight. 45 00:04:13,697 --> 00:04:16,596 - Sorry. Sorry, the traffic. - Hello, darling. 46 00:04:16,597 --> 00:04:19,156 - Don't worry. How are you? - Good. How are you? 47 00:04:19,157 --> 00:04:20,757 Good. 48 00:04:27,617 --> 00:04:29,377 Oh, it was a gift. 49 00:04:29,737 --> 00:04:33,237 Flora's boyfriend's father painted it and sent it over for us. 50 00:04:33,970 --> 00:04:36,257 He's really caught her, don't you think? 51 00:04:41,017 --> 00:04:43,097 You don't think there's enough reminders? 52 00:04:50,337 --> 00:04:51,777 It's not Flora. 53 00:04:59,637 --> 00:05:01,737 Dad made it to the airport alright? 54 00:05:01,917 --> 00:05:03,377 Oh-Oh, yeah. 55 00:05:03,957 --> 00:05:06,177 Did you get any sleep last night? 56 00:05:07,237 --> 00:05:09,877 Hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. 57 00:05:11,337 --> 00:05:13,216 Sit down and put your feet up. 58 00:05:13,217 --> 00:05:15,937 I'll take those bags upstairs, then I'll make us some tea. 59 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:18,657 OK? 60 00:06:10,577 --> 00:06:11,774 You OK? 61 00:06:17,014 --> 00:06:20,013 Mum, please. Will you go and speak to someone? 62 00:06:20,038 --> 00:06:21,316 It's OK. I'm fine. 63 00:06:21,317 --> 00:06:23,177 I'm fine, Cathy. I'm fine. 64 00:06:24,694 --> 00:06:26,097 It's fine. 65 00:07:25,057 --> 00:07:26,537 Hello, Jim. 66 00:07:27,657 --> 00:07:29,147 It's good to see you. 67 00:07:29,317 --> 00:07:32,236 Everyone's excited to finally meet you in person. 68 00:07:32,237 --> 00:07:34,734 My very own homemade version... 69 00:07:36,374 --> 00:07:37,737 ...of the bomb 70 00:07:38,497 --> 00:07:40,297 which blew up Flight 103. 71 00:07:42,574 --> 00:07:44,837 You brought that with you on a plane? 72 00:07:45,137 --> 00:07:47,097 Is that Semtex? 73 00:07:47,977 --> 00:07:51,333 A very pliable, odourless plastic explosive 74 00:07:51,334 --> 00:07:54,497 favoured by paramilitary groups and terrorists. 75 00:07:59,197 --> 00:08:00,757 I used marzipan. 76 00:08:01,974 --> 00:08:05,092 Jim, I'm sorry. Are you out of your mind? 77 00:08:05,117 --> 00:08:07,700 How many times have we been told airport security has improved, 78 00:08:07,725 --> 00:08:09,485 that a bomb would never get onto a plane nowadays? 79 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:11,613 Yeah sure, but is this the way to call them out? 80 00:08:11,614 --> 00:08:14,093 A security officer at Heathrow picked it up, looked at it, 81 00:08:14,094 --> 00:08:17,013 and wished me a safe onward journey. I got through three sets 82 00:08:17,014 --> 00:08:20,657 of security checks to get here via JFK. I wasn't stopped once. 83 00:08:24,257 --> 00:08:26,377 Now, I'm sorry if this upsets some of you. 84 00:08:27,097 --> 00:08:30,097 I wanted it to be impossible for me to do this, believe me. 85 00:08:31,057 --> 00:08:32,617 The fact is, it wasn't. 86 00:08:33,857 --> 00:08:35,577 And people need to know. 87 00:08:44,574 --> 00:08:46,716 Did you know about the fake bomb? 88 00:08:46,717 --> 00:08:49,217 Do you agree with what your father's done? 89 00:08:52,174 --> 00:08:54,253 Incredible, audacious, 90 00:08:54,254 --> 00:08:56,453 an act of gross stupidity. 91 00:08:56,777 --> 00:08:59,413 Just some of the reactions to Dr Jim Swire, 92 00:08:59,414 --> 00:09:02,293 spokesman for UK Families Flight 103. 93 00:09:02,617 --> 00:09:06,173 Why? Because he built a fake bomb in his home 94 00:09:06,237 --> 00:09:08,372 - and carried it in a suitcase... - Did you know about this? 95 00:09:08,397 --> 00:09:10,373 - ...on a flight from London to New York. - No. 96 00:09:10,374 --> 00:09:13,582 The same route on which his daughter, Flora, was killed. 97 00:09:13,607 --> 00:09:16,732 If I was a terrorist, another plane would have been blown out of the sky. 98 00:09:16,734 --> 00:09:19,276 Hundreds more innocent people would have been murdered. 99 00:09:19,277 --> 00:09:23,516 24 hours since touching down in the US, Dr Swire has- 100 00:09:23,517 --> 00:09:26,852 The Midlands doctor, whose daughter died in the Lockerbie plane bomb- 101 00:09:26,877 --> 00:09:30,516 I cannot stress strongly enough this government's determination 102 00:09:30,517 --> 00:09:34,132 to enforce the highest standards of aviation security. 103 00:09:34,157 --> 00:09:38,877 And we will be speaking to Dr Swire on his return to the UK. 104 00:10:01,457 --> 00:10:02,857 Finally. 105 00:10:09,293 --> 00:10:11,613 Questioned. Given a verbal warning. 106 00:10:13,334 --> 00:10:15,217 "Bad boy, don't do it again." 107 00:10:23,257 --> 00:10:24,457 I'm sorry. 108 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,717 What hurts the most is being kept in the dark. 109 00:10:31,654 --> 00:10:33,573 I didn't want to get you involved. 110 00:10:35,534 --> 00:10:38,573 There were press people outside, Jim, dozens of them. 111 00:10:38,837 --> 00:10:40,773 We hadn't a clue what was going on. 112 00:10:41,017 --> 00:10:42,773 And what if you had been arrested, 113 00:10:42,774 --> 00:10:45,574 here or in America? Wh-Wh-What would I have done? 114 00:10:47,137 --> 00:10:48,657 And the kids. 115 00:10:49,217 --> 00:10:51,417 Did you think about any of us? 116 00:10:53,974 --> 00:10:56,217 - Did Murray put you up to this? - No. 117 00:10:58,377 --> 00:10:59,973 No, all my own doing. 118 00:10:59,974 --> 00:11:02,490 Is that why you've been shut up in your study all this time? 119 00:11:04,334 --> 00:11:06,333 You've barely spoken a word to us. 120 00:11:06,334 --> 00:11:08,436 Spineless government hiding behind secrets, 121 00:11:08,437 --> 00:11:10,657 criminal investigation taking forever. 122 00:11:11,177 --> 00:11:13,297 I just wanted to make some noise. 123 00:11:15,017 --> 00:11:17,373 - Do something. - You are doing something. 124 00:11:17,374 --> 00:11:20,332 You're constantly giving interviews, writing letters. 125 00:11:20,357 --> 00:11:23,693 - Howling at the moon. - No. No, Jim. That's not true. 126 00:11:23,694 --> 00:11:26,293 This will cause consternation and tutting for a few days, 127 00:11:26,294 --> 00:11:28,134 then it will all go quiet again. 128 00:11:33,894 --> 00:11:36,134 I should have told you. It was wrong of me. 129 00:11:46,094 --> 00:11:47,777 It's all for her. 130 00:11:53,214 --> 00:11:55,577 You haven't stopped since she died. 131 00:12:00,937 --> 00:12:02,457 What else can I do? 132 00:12:09,137 --> 00:12:10,457 For now... 133 00:12:11,537 --> 00:12:13,137 ...take a step back. 134 00:12:14,897 --> 00:12:16,257 You have me... 135 00:12:17,137 --> 00:12:19,017 you have two other children. 136 00:12:21,217 --> 00:12:22,657 Be with us. 137 00:13:12,473 --> 00:13:13,956 Good to be back. 138 00:13:48,316 --> 00:13:49,892 Here it goes. 139 00:13:50,546 --> 00:13:52,511 - Thanks, darling. - You're going down. 140 00:13:52,536 --> 00:13:53,296 Ready? 141 00:13:53,321 --> 00:13:54,546 - Steady. - Go! 142 00:13:54,816 --> 00:13:56,976 What? No! 143 00:14:03,349 --> 00:14:05,156 No, no! No, no! 144 00:14:05,556 --> 00:14:07,156 Get behind me. 145 00:16:20,562 --> 00:16:21,956 Thanks, Dad. 146 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:33,825 Now, three years later, 147 00:16:33,996 --> 00:16:36,585 two suspects have finally been identified. 148 00:16:36,836 --> 00:16:38,911 Their names announced earlier today 149 00:16:38,936 --> 00:16:41,979 by Scotland's Lord Advocate, Peter Fraser. 150 00:16:42,056 --> 00:16:45,135 And yesterday, Mr McDougall obtained 151 00:16:45,136 --> 00:16:47,496 from him the grant of warrants 152 00:16:48,116 --> 00:16:51,684 for the arrest of two Libyan nationals... 153 00:16:51,736 --> 00:16:54,776 - Libya? I thought Iran did it? - ...on charges of conspiracy, 154 00:16:55,156 --> 00:16:57,617 murder and contravention 155 00:16:57,736 --> 00:17:01,676 of the Aviation Security Act of 1982. 156 00:17:02,316 --> 00:17:04,265 The two accused are... 157 00:17:04,636 --> 00:17:09,599 Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed al-Megrahi... 158 00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:14,716 and Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah. 159 00:17:15,719 --> 00:17:17,846 - Both accused are believed... - They did it... 160 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,380 to be in Libya. 161 00:17:19,866 --> 00:17:21,216 The warrants will be 162 00:17:21,241 --> 00:17:23,354 - circulated to Interpol... - They got them. 163 00:17:23,487 --> 00:17:27,816 ...but it is considered unlikely that they will be arrested. 164 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,726 So I've gone through the indictment and set it out in layman's terms, 165 00:20:44,727 --> 00:20:47,427 together with some of the other information that we have. 166 00:20:48,667 --> 00:20:50,867 As we know, the bomb... 167 00:20:51,627 --> 00:20:53,566 ...hand-built presumably, 168 00:20:53,567 --> 00:20:57,702 was hidden inside a Toshiba BomBeat radio-cassette recorder 169 00:20:57,727 --> 00:21:00,547 and placed amongst articles of clothing... 170 00:21:01,467 --> 00:21:04,946 ...inside a brown Samsonite suitcase. 171 00:21:05,227 --> 00:21:07,706 Now, we know this because blast-charred fragments 172 00:21:07,707 --> 00:21:10,607 of clothing and suitcase were found by search teams in Lockerbie 173 00:21:10,632 --> 00:21:11,806 and forensically examined 174 00:21:11,807 --> 00:21:14,827 by the Royal Armament Research and Development Establishment. 175 00:21:15,558 --> 00:21:18,206 Now at the same time, a baggage record from Frankfurt 176 00:21:18,207 --> 00:21:20,007 was turned over to Scottish police. 177 00:21:20,493 --> 00:21:23,212 It flagged one unattended piece of luggage, 178 00:21:23,347 --> 00:21:26,427 a suitcase not connected with anybody on the flight. 179 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:30,007 That suitcase was destined for Pan Am 103. 180 00:21:30,787 --> 00:21:32,306 Via Frankfurt, 181 00:21:32,547 --> 00:21:35,166 it had originated... in Malta. 182 00:21:35,167 --> 00:21:38,726 Forensic experts then looked more closely at the damaged clothing, 183 00:21:38,727 --> 00:21:42,246 finding a pair of Yorkie trousers, 184 00:21:42,247 --> 00:21:45,306 which Scottish police traced to a clothing manufacturer, 185 00:21:45,307 --> 00:21:46,446 also on Malta. 186 00:21:46,447 --> 00:21:49,407 That manufacturer then led them to one of their buyers. 187 00:21:49,843 --> 00:21:52,726 A shop called Mary's House, again on Malta. 188 00:21:52,727 --> 00:21:55,486 Now, Mary's House is owned by the Gauci family. 189 00:21:55,487 --> 00:21:58,406 Tony Gauci has positively identified one of the suspects, 190 00:21:58,407 --> 00:22:00,566 Megrahi, to Scottish police 191 00:22:00,567 --> 00:22:02,726 as the man he sold the clothing to 192 00:22:02,727 --> 00:22:06,027 on December 7th, 1988. 193 00:22:06,587 --> 00:22:08,987 And then, amazingly... 194 00:22:10,227 --> 00:22:12,706 ...found lodged inside the remnants 195 00:22:12,707 --> 00:22:15,347 of one of the shirts that Gauci sold... 196 00:22:18,627 --> 00:22:19,907 ...was this. 197 00:22:22,547 --> 00:22:24,947 Tiny piece of electronic circuit board. 198 00:22:26,427 --> 00:22:29,986 This... is absolutely central 199 00:22:30,267 --> 00:22:32,467 to the Crown's prosecution case. 200 00:22:33,503 --> 00:22:36,907 Both British and American forensic experts agree... 201 00:22:40,277 --> 00:22:42,357 ...this is part of the timer... 202 00:22:43,707 --> 00:22:46,187 ...attached to the bomb's detonator. 203 00:22:47,027 --> 00:22:50,066 It was made by a Swiss firm based in Zurich, MEBO, 204 00:22:50,267 --> 00:22:52,007 owned by Edwin Bollier 205 00:22:52,212 --> 00:22:53,867 and Erwin Meister. 206 00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:57,486 MEBO supplied 20 of the timers 207 00:22:57,487 --> 00:23:00,187 exclusively to Libya. 208 00:23:01,427 --> 00:23:04,386 Not only this, but Megrahi established a front company 209 00:23:04,387 --> 00:23:06,166 under the name ABH, 210 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:09,427 used as a cover for Libyan intelligence operations. 211 00:23:10,987 --> 00:23:13,286 This business was established 212 00:23:13,287 --> 00:23:15,427 in the same office building 213 00:23:15,707 --> 00:23:17,227 as MEBO. 214 00:23:19,747 --> 00:23:21,747 And here are our suspects. 215 00:23:27,903 --> 00:23:29,663 Both men live in Tripoli. 216 00:23:29,688 --> 00:23:33,087 Both are said to be Libyan intelligence agents with... 217 00:23:34,014 --> 00:23:36,533 ...Megrahi owning a second passport 218 00:23:36,587 --> 00:23:40,387 given to him by the Libyan Intelligence Agency, the JSO. 219 00:23:41,307 --> 00:23:43,686 Both men worked for Libyan-Arab airlines, 220 00:23:43,687 --> 00:23:46,966 with Megrahi as Head of Airline Security until 1986. 221 00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:51,062 Fhimah, as Station Manager at Malta airport until 1988. 222 00:23:51,087 --> 00:23:54,782 Police believe the bomb was put onto the plane at Malta airport, 223 00:23:54,807 --> 00:23:56,926 using Fhimah's old security pass 224 00:23:56,927 --> 00:24:00,166 to gain airside access, using Air Malta baggage tags 225 00:24:00,167 --> 00:24:02,827 to allow unaccompanied baggage on board. 226 00:24:04,723 --> 00:24:06,566 That is how Fhimah and Megrahi 227 00:24:06,567 --> 00:24:08,547 were able to get the suitcase airside. 228 00:24:08,987 --> 00:24:13,502 That is how they were able to get the bomb straight through customs, 229 00:24:13,527 --> 00:24:15,587 and bypass airport security. 230 00:24:16,907 --> 00:24:20,667 That is how these men killed 270 people. 231 00:24:39,927 --> 00:24:42,326 - Hello? - So let me get this straight. 232 00:24:42,327 --> 00:24:44,846 For almost three years, we've been told 233 00:24:44,847 --> 00:24:47,686 that Flight 103 was a revenge attack by Iran 234 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:51,166 for the US shooting down its Airbus, killing 290 people. 235 00:24:51,167 --> 00:24:54,406 They paid a Palestinian terror group, the PFLP-GC, 236 00:24:54,407 --> 00:24:56,006 who are based in Syria, 237 00:24:56,007 --> 00:24:58,587 to carry out the bombing. So, we've got... 238 00:24:58,947 --> 00:25:01,147 motives, named suspects. 239 00:25:01,467 --> 00:25:03,366 But then everything changes. 240 00:25:03,367 --> 00:25:05,606 We got it all wrong. It was Libya. 241 00:25:05,607 --> 00:25:08,006 Murray, have you actually read the indictment? 242 00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:10,086 The evidence against them is pretty damning. 243 00:25:10,087 --> 00:25:11,942 It's a remarkable piece of detective work. 244 00:25:11,967 --> 00:25:14,086 You know, I heard an interesting rumour this morning. 245 00:25:14,087 --> 00:25:16,966 President Bush rang Thatcher three months after Lockerbie 246 00:25:16,967 --> 00:25:18,966 and told her, "Lay off Iran." 247 00:25:18,967 --> 00:25:20,846 And then, on top of that, 248 00:25:20,847 --> 00:25:23,166 a year later, Iraq invades Kuwait. 249 00:25:23,167 --> 00:25:26,607 So now, we need Syria's help... 250 00:25:27,867 --> 00:25:31,166 ...to liberate Kuwait, keep Iran sweet and out of the way. 251 00:25:31,167 --> 00:25:32,686 That's how you defeat Saddam. 252 00:25:32,687 --> 00:25:35,966 Can you not accept that the Scottish investigators and the CIA 253 00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:38,766 - might have got this right? - I'm just asking the question, Jim. 254 00:25:38,767 --> 00:25:41,166 The West kicks the Middle East around like a football 255 00:25:41,167 --> 00:25:43,166 to suit its needs, always has done. 256 00:25:43,167 --> 00:25:46,246 I think that's what we're seeing here. Now it's Libya's turn. 257 00:25:46,387 --> 00:25:48,166 Rogue state ruled by Colonel Gaddafi, 258 00:25:48,167 --> 00:25:50,729 a murderous nutjob with a history of funding terrorism. 259 00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:52,647 Exactly. They have a history of this kind of thing. 260 00:25:52,648 --> 00:25:55,086 And we've been trying to topple Gaddafi for nearly a decade. 261 00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:57,766 - I mean, what better excuse? - Murray, I'm sorry. 262 00:25:57,767 --> 00:26:00,006 I don't have time to listen to your madcap theories. 263 00:26:00,007 --> 00:26:02,447 You mark my words, Jim. If you think... 264 00:26:02,567 --> 00:26:05,566 Gaddafi is going to let the West railroad Libya, 265 00:26:05,567 --> 00:26:07,366 you've got another thing coming. 266 00:26:07,367 --> 00:26:09,727 You going to do anything about Gaddafi? 267 00:26:10,227 --> 00:26:12,246 The United States carried out the attack 268 00:26:12,247 --> 00:26:14,726 in retaliation for what it said were terrorist acts... 269 00:26:14,727 --> 00:26:16,926 Under the direct orders of the Libyan regime. 270 00:26:16,927 --> 00:26:19,646 A noted 100 Libyans were killed, 30 in Benghazi- 271 00:26:19,647 --> 00:26:22,566 The defiance of Libyans in the street was apparent. 272 00:26:22,567 --> 00:26:25,966 Suicide squads will be sent to attack American targets. 273 00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:28,246 Renewed anti-American feeling within Libya. 274 00:26:28,247 --> 00:26:31,526 Syrian leader President Assad pledging support for Gaddafi. 275 00:26:31,527 --> 00:26:33,726 Almost every major terrorist incident 276 00:26:33,727 --> 00:26:36,286 has been attributed to Libya and Gaddafi. 277 00:26:36,287 --> 00:26:39,046 Libya implemented the hijacking of a Pan Am jumbo jet 278 00:26:39,047 --> 00:26:40,606 carried out by four Palestinians. 279 00:26:40,607 --> 00:26:43,286 The bullet which killed WPC Yvonne Fletcher 280 00:26:43,287 --> 00:26:45,747 came from Libyans inside the embassy. 281 00:26:47,024 --> 00:26:49,342 Supported the Irish Republican Army. 282 00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:51,886 This mad dog of the Middle East referred to 283 00:26:51,887 --> 00:26:55,086 the slaughter in Rome and Vienna airports as a noble act. 284 00:26:55,087 --> 00:26:57,966 Iran and Libya are two of the most dangerous supporters 285 00:26:57,967 --> 00:26:59,806 of terrorism in the world. 286 00:26:59,807 --> 00:27:01,947 America is a powerful country. 287 00:27:02,167 --> 00:27:04,206 Will not intimidate us 288 00:27:04,207 --> 00:27:07,247 to accept a responsibility that is not ours. 289 00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:25,787 Oh, my God! 290 00:27:29,347 --> 00:27:30,907 My apologies. 291 00:27:31,707 --> 00:27:33,547 I did not mean to frighten you. 292 00:27:34,947 --> 00:27:36,267 Who the hell are you? 293 00:27:39,987 --> 00:27:41,987 My name is Nabil Nagameldin. 294 00:27:42,547 --> 00:27:45,087 I work for the Al-Ahram newspaper in Cairo. 295 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:51,767 I have come to tell you that 296 00:27:51,768 --> 00:27:53,967 Gaddafi will never release these two suspects. 297 00:27:54,587 --> 00:27:57,730 - That isn't possible. - Oh, no, I'm afraid it is. 298 00:27:57,847 --> 00:28:00,906 Libya is under immense international pressure to hand them over. 299 00:28:00,907 --> 00:28:03,626 Which would make most countries capitulate. 300 00:28:03,987 --> 00:28:05,862 But Libya is not most countries. 301 00:28:05,887 --> 00:28:08,026 Libya is ruled by Muammar Gaddafi, 302 00:28:08,027 --> 00:28:11,392 who loves nothing more than thumbing his nose at the West. 303 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,348 He will stall and obstruct at every turn. 304 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:18,928 But he's not stupid. He knows that he has to assuage 305 00:28:18,929 --> 00:28:21,547 the other Middle Eastern and African countries. 306 00:28:21,707 --> 00:28:23,347 So there are rumours... 307 00:28:24,387 --> 00:28:26,387 ...these men will stand trial. 308 00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:28,467 But in Libya. 309 00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:31,467 No, they cannot be tried in Libya. 310 00:28:32,027 --> 00:28:34,486 It is imperative these men stand trial in Scotland. 311 00:28:34,487 --> 00:28:37,647 I agree. That is why I have come here with a request, 312 00:28:37,907 --> 00:28:39,946 or, more appropriately, an offer... 313 00:28:41,707 --> 00:28:44,987 ...to take you to Libya to meet with Colonel Gaddafi. 314 00:28:48,392 --> 00:28:50,224 I have contacts in the Libyan government. 315 00:28:50,303 --> 00:28:52,086 I will write the article and you will... 316 00:28:52,087 --> 00:28:54,187 you will grant me an interview after your meeting. 317 00:28:55,427 --> 00:28:58,107 Why on Earth would I do something like that? 318 00:28:58,827 --> 00:29:02,506 Look, Gaddafi is-is- is impetuous and impatient. 319 00:29:02,507 --> 00:29:05,226 He has to be approached with-with certain, 320 00:29:05,227 --> 00:29:07,786 shall we say, unconventional ways. 321 00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:10,346 An approach like this from you, 322 00:29:10,347 --> 00:29:12,286 that is one of those ways, I'm convinced. 323 00:29:12,287 --> 00:29:14,446 Gaddafi doesn't have the first idea who I am. 324 00:29:14,447 --> 00:29:16,687 You are wrong, Dr Swire. 325 00:29:17,867 --> 00:29:19,987 In the Middle East, you have standing, 326 00:29:20,747 --> 00:29:22,107 you are known. 327 00:29:23,147 --> 00:29:24,627 You are admired. 328 00:29:24,907 --> 00:29:27,186 People respect you. Truly. 329 00:29:27,187 --> 00:29:29,687 They have seen you stand up against your government. 330 00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:32,902 Look, next month in New York, 331 00:29:32,927 --> 00:29:36,961 the UN Security Council will be meeting to discuss Resolution 731, 332 00:29:36,986 --> 00:29:39,527 compelling Libya to hand over the two suspects. 333 00:29:40,427 --> 00:29:42,287 Gaddafi will not comply. 334 00:29:42,347 --> 00:29:45,326 Your country and America's next move will be to impose sanctions. 335 00:29:45,327 --> 00:29:47,006 The moment that happens, 336 00:29:47,007 --> 00:29:49,927 Libya will become even more of a pariah state. 337 00:29:50,087 --> 00:29:51,987 Gaddafi's position will harden... 338 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,487 ...and your-your Lockerbie trial will be... 339 00:29:56,547 --> 00:29:58,347 ...will be dead, finished. 340 00:30:02,947 --> 00:30:04,506 Tell me this is a bad joke. 341 00:30:04,533 --> 00:30:06,473 Are you sure he's not making it all up? 342 00:30:06,525 --> 00:30:07,900 Oh, no, he seems genuine. 343 00:30:07,925 --> 00:30:09,952 He writes for a newspaper in Cairo. 344 00:30:10,367 --> 00:30:11,826 Dad, you're not going. 345 00:30:11,827 --> 00:30:15,187 I didn't want to decide anything until I'd spoken to all of you. 346 00:30:15,907 --> 00:30:17,326 He's right, though. 347 00:30:17,327 --> 00:30:19,666 If the UN do impose sanctions on Libya, 348 00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,427 those two men will never stand trial in Scotland. 349 00:30:23,307 --> 00:30:25,126 - It's crazy, I know... - Crazy? 350 00:30:25,127 --> 00:30:28,626 Terry Waite went to Beirut to negotiate the release of hostages, 351 00:30:28,627 --> 00:30:30,846 and they locked him in a basement for four years. 352 00:30:30,847 --> 00:30:32,827 Do I have any choice? 353 00:30:33,643 --> 00:30:36,726 If there's no trial, we will never find out the truth. 354 00:30:36,727 --> 00:30:38,307 Do you know what they call Gaddafi? 355 00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:42,226 The Mad Dog. He's a dictator. His regime murders people. 356 00:30:42,227 --> 00:30:43,486 I'm completely aware of that. 357 00:30:43,487 --> 00:30:46,366 I'm sure he's happy to sit down with Jim Swire, 358 00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:49,647 a GP from Bromsgrove, and give him whatever he wants. 359 00:30:50,407 --> 00:30:52,586 - Mum, are you gonna say anything? - I have. 360 00:30:52,587 --> 00:30:55,266 - I didn't want it to descend into this. - What did you expect? 361 00:30:55,267 --> 00:30:56,906 That we're all behind you? 362 00:30:56,907 --> 00:30:59,706 No, please... Will, please come back. 363 00:31:05,546 --> 00:31:09,717 Well, Gaddafi's popularity stems from his nationalist achievements. 364 00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:12,422 Demanding higher prices for Libyan oil, 365 00:31:12,447 --> 00:31:14,246 expelling foreign military bases, 366 00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:17,746 support for Palestine and other anti-imperialist causes. 367 00:31:17,987 --> 00:31:20,766 Gaddafi has also had dozens of his critics 368 00:31:20,767 --> 00:31:23,787 around the world... assassinated. 369 00:31:27,427 --> 00:31:28,966 The moral support you wanted? 370 00:31:28,967 --> 00:31:31,006 - I have to do this. - I can't tell you what to do. 371 00:31:31,007 --> 00:31:32,846 - You would go. - Like a shot. 372 00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:34,686 But I don't have a family. 373 00:31:34,687 --> 00:31:38,387 I'm not a spokesman for UK Families Flight 103. 374 00:31:40,587 --> 00:31:42,767 - Have you told them about this? - Not yet. 375 00:31:43,547 --> 00:31:45,547 But I'm hoping they'll be in support. 376 00:31:48,067 --> 00:31:49,307 The group... 377 00:31:49,827 --> 00:31:52,546 The family's not exactly happy about it. 378 00:31:54,987 --> 00:31:55,987 What? 379 00:31:56,347 --> 00:31:59,347 Just make sure they don't say anything to anyone. 380 00:32:02,147 --> 00:32:04,582 - Why? - Jim, are you kiddin'? 381 00:32:05,887 --> 00:32:08,306 You took a fake bomb on a passenger plane. 382 00:32:08,587 --> 00:32:11,622 You've pissed off Thatcher's government God knows how many times. 383 00:32:11,647 --> 00:32:13,747 - They'll be watching your every move. - No. 384 00:32:15,807 --> 00:32:18,727 - You really think so? - They'll get every fax before you do. 385 00:32:18,847 --> 00:32:20,222 Tap every phone call. 386 00:32:20,247 --> 00:32:22,087 They've probably been listening in for years. 387 00:32:22,112 --> 00:32:24,286 From now on, you need to be careful what you say. 388 00:32:24,287 --> 00:32:26,546 But I promised Jane I'd phone her every day. 389 00:32:30,507 --> 00:32:32,466 Will they try to stop me, you think? 390 00:32:32,987 --> 00:32:35,982 Libya's been on the state-sponsored terrorism list 391 00:32:36,007 --> 00:32:38,766 since 1979. So yeah, 392 00:32:38,767 --> 00:32:41,846 they might. You watch yourself. 393 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:44,708 You're no good to anyone dead. 394 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,109 If I call you and say, "Tell the family everything's alright," 395 00:32:54,148 --> 00:32:55,924 that means what it says. 396 00:32:56,564 --> 00:32:57,707 I'm safe. 397 00:32:57,708 --> 00:32:58,968 Bye, darling. 398 00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:05,268 If I say, "Tell the family everything's fine..." 399 00:33:05,568 --> 00:33:09,148 That means things are not going as planned, but they're not critical. 400 00:33:11,188 --> 00:33:14,788 If I say, "Tell EVERY-one everything's alright." 401 00:33:14,988 --> 00:33:16,688 That means I'm in danger. 402 00:33:17,048 --> 00:33:19,648 Phone the Foreign Office and tell them to get me out. 403 00:33:20,728 --> 00:33:22,848 And what if you can't get to a phone? 404 00:35:57,188 --> 00:35:59,608 It's OK. We wait here. 405 00:36:03,008 --> 00:36:04,188 Who's this? 406 00:36:05,408 --> 00:36:08,164 It's, uh, the 1986 attack, 407 00:36:08,428 --> 00:36:10,788 when Reagan ordered the bombing of Tripoli. 408 00:36:11,628 --> 00:36:14,747 Gaddafi's adoptive daughter, Hannah, was killed instantly. 409 00:36:14,928 --> 00:36:16,947 She was 15 months old. 410 00:36:17,128 --> 00:36:18,728 He has never forgotten. 411 00:36:24,368 --> 00:36:25,608 Please. 412 00:36:29,328 --> 00:36:31,267 Um, I will wait for you here. 413 00:36:31,268 --> 00:36:33,188 Good luck, Dr Swire. 414 00:37:54,468 --> 00:37:56,387 Thank you for meeting with me, sir. 415 00:37:56,888 --> 00:37:58,808 You have come to talk with me. 416 00:38:00,108 --> 00:38:01,368 So, talk. 417 00:38:02,808 --> 00:38:05,088 We, um, myself... 418 00:38:06,048 --> 00:38:08,768 ...and the families and relatives of those who died, 419 00:38:09,668 --> 00:38:11,827 our utmost desire is, uh, 420 00:38:11,828 --> 00:38:12,987 to see justice done. 421 00:38:12,988 --> 00:38:15,587 So tell me, how will justice be done? 422 00:38:15,588 --> 00:38:17,747 Already the West has convicted them. 423 00:38:17,748 --> 00:38:19,507 They are the Lockerbie bombers. 424 00:38:19,508 --> 00:38:22,347 The Libyan mass murderers. Is that justice? 425 00:38:22,348 --> 00:38:24,328 No, sir. It is not. 426 00:38:27,111 --> 00:38:28,408 If I may... 427 00:38:39,668 --> 00:38:40,848 I brought... 428 00:38:41,431 --> 00:38:43,048 some photographs... 429 00:38:43,888 --> 00:38:45,991 of my daughter. Flora. 430 00:38:55,951 --> 00:39:00,438 I ask only that the two men accused of this crime be made to stand trial. 431 00:39:00,865 --> 00:39:02,803 I assure you, they will be treated fairly. 432 00:39:02,828 --> 00:39:05,190 When has Libya ever been treated fairly? 433 00:39:05,648 --> 00:39:08,670 Can you tell me? My country is being blackmailed 434 00:39:08,671 --> 00:39:11,123 and bullied into compliance by the Americans, 435 00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:13,111 by the UN, and your country. 436 00:39:15,124 --> 00:39:16,668 If you do as they wish... 437 00:39:16,693 --> 00:39:19,323 Why should I agree to a trial here or anywhere? 438 00:39:19,348 --> 00:39:22,923 Did the cowardly American pilot who dropped the missile on my home 439 00:39:22,948 --> 00:39:24,923 ever stand a trial? No. 440 00:39:24,948 --> 00:39:26,968 He was commended for his bravery. 441 00:39:28,048 --> 00:39:30,088 This meeting is over. 442 00:39:40,918 --> 00:39:42,768 Sir, we both lost daughters. 443 00:39:45,328 --> 00:39:47,328 I'm asking you, father to father. 444 00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:13,088 This is not about revenge. 445 00:40:18,008 --> 00:40:19,648 Pan Am 103. 446 00:40:20,928 --> 00:40:22,608 The truth must be known. 447 00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:30,368 I only want to know who killed my daughter. 448 00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:03,136 A British man who lost his daughter in the Pan Am 103 bombing 449 00:41:03,137 --> 00:41:06,759 is being criticized for meeting with Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi. 450 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,479 I fully understand the repugnance at anyone shaking the hand 451 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,680 of Colonel Gaddafi... 452 00:41:10,705 --> 00:41:14,136 a man who may have known about, or even ordered the Lockerbie plot. 453 00:41:14,137 --> 00:41:15,719 But let them also ask themselves 454 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,715 if they want to see these two men stand trial or not. 455 00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:22,635 I'm angry because the British perception of Jim Swire 456 00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:24,920 is that he speaks for all of us. 457 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,979 Well, Jim's heart was in the right place, 458 00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:32,379 but, uh, he left his brain at home. 459 00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:35,597 The Libyans have won a propaganda coup with this trip. 460 00:41:37,544 --> 00:41:39,863 Jim Swire has been duped by Gaddafi. 461 00:41:39,864 --> 00:41:42,680 Jim Swire has become Gaddafi's poodle. 462 00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:47,396 We're glad as a group to have someone like Jim, 463 00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:49,783 someone who is as active 464 00:41:49,784 --> 00:41:52,315 and committed and dedicated. 465 00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:54,160 Although it has, and... 466 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,920 it will cost him a great deal. 467 00:42:30,064 --> 00:42:32,703 - Pierre Salinger, ABC News. - Hello, sir. 468 00:42:33,143 --> 00:42:35,875 I'm very grateful you've agreed to speak with me, Mr Megrahi. 469 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,160 America is very interested in what you have to say about these charges. 470 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,115 According to the indictment, you travelled with a special suitcase 471 00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:47,395 from Tripoli to Malta Airport 472 00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:50,023 on the 20th of December, 1988. 473 00:42:50,024 --> 00:42:52,139 What you mean special suitcase? 474 00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:54,080 A Samsonite suitcase. 475 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,183 No, that is wrong. Uh... 476 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,383 Whenever I go to Malta, 477 00:42:59,384 --> 00:43:02,200 which is a lot, because of my job, I... I... 478 00:43:02,904 --> 00:43:05,623 I carry what I... what I carry in a... 479 00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:07,635 a clothing case. 480 00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:09,875 It's a small case, a small case. 481 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,160 A small case. Nev... Never big case. 482 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,755 You keep a diary, Mr Fhimah, do you not? 483 00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,303 - Yes, a personal diary. - Hmm. 484 00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:23,075 They say you wrote a reminder to take some Air Malta baggage tags, 485 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,795 the kind that get bags onto planes unaccompanied from the airport. 486 00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:28,543 Now, why would you have written that? 487 00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:31,556 If I could, uh, look at my diary, 488 00:43:31,983 --> 00:43:33,139 I could tell you why. 489 00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:35,849 The indictment also says that when you went to Malta 490 00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:37,299 on the 20th of December, 491 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,939 you did so on a false passport, using a false name. 492 00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:43,499 If I had written something important in my diary, 493 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,059 I wouldn't have just left it there. 494 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:47,740 In other words, if you felt there was something in there 495 00:43:47,765 --> 00:43:49,845 that might implicate you in some crime? 496 00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:51,597 Exactly. Exactly. 497 00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:55,219 I'm, uh, surprised they tell me this. 498 00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:56,699 I'm here in Tripoli. 499 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,819 My family know I was here. I was here. They know I was here. 500 00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:01,699 Well, the indictment says you were in Malta. 501 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,339 That you stayed at the Holiday Inn on the night of the 20th, 502 00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:07,739 into the 21st of December, 1988, the day of the bombing. 503 00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,899 My friend, I tell you, I'm... I'm not on Malta on the day. 504 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:12,819 - I was here. - You were here, in Tripoli, 505 00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:14,940 - on the 21st of December? - Yes. 506 00:45:27,540 --> 00:45:29,059 - Hello? - Hello, Jim. 507 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:31,259 - Nabil. - It's exactly as I feared. 508 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,979 The UN Security Council have passed the resolution. 509 00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:36,739 And now Gaddafi is refusing to release the two suspects, 510 00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:39,340 - despite the sanctions. - No. 511 00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:41,580 We've reached a stalemate, Jim. 512 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,899 A standoff has begun. 513 00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,699 The international community will not tolerate 514 00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,019 such threats to international peace and security. 515 00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:53,099 It is prepared to take concerted political action 516 00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,219 against the continuing defiance 517 00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:58,619 represented by Libya's state-supported terrorists. 518 00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:00,579 At a five-year memorial service, 519 00:46:00,604 --> 00:46:03,555 President Clinton had appeared to throw down the gauntlet 520 00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:04,859 for the Pan Am bombing. 521 00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:07,179 It was an attack on America. 522 00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:09,899 The next logical punitive step by the United Nations 523 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,660 would be to order a naval blockade. 524 00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:15,339 Libyan anger over United Nations' sanction vote 525 00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:16,819 has apparently come to a boil. 526 00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:19,715 Demonstrators attacked foreign embassies in Tripoli today. 527 00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:21,259 ..took to the streets to protest- 528 00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:23,939 US sanctions have cost nearly $2.5 billion. 529 00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:27,259 My clients have advised me that they cannot get a fair trial 530 00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:30,419 in the United States where people believe they're already guilty. 531 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:32,979 Under no circumstances will they be extradited 532 00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:35,299 - to face trial in the West. - Sorry, we cannot. 533 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,379 It is unacceptable to say justice in Scotland is not fair. 534 00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:41,019 About time all sides stop shouting at each other from the touchline. 535 00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:44,059 I'm not here to talk politics. I'm here to talk truth and justice. 536 00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:46,739 We have the same interest like Jim Swire. 537 00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:50,339 We want the truth to be revealed and to be found. 538 00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:52,120 Have we done everything we could do? 539 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:55,299 Well, uh, if that's so, it hasn't been enough. 540 00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:58,419 Eight years after Pan Am 103 was blown out of the sky, 541 00:46:58,420 --> 00:47:00,779 the case against the suspected terrorist bombers 542 00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:03,499 is an international standoff going nowhere. 543 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:06,019 Libya's leader refuses to hand the men over. 544 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:09,379 Resolving the case of Pan Am 103 in a court of law 545 00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:11,179 seems as distant as ever. 546 00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:13,420 My latest proposal will be my last. 547 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:16,180 If this doesn't work, it may be the end of the line. 548 00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:19,059 There is a slight chance it will be accepted, 549 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:21,480 and any chance is better than no chance. 550 00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:30,679 Thank you for meeting me, Professor Black. 551 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,600 Oh, please, Jim. It's, uh, Robert. 552 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:34,700 I feel like I already know you. 553 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,820 Please. 554 00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:39,079 After four long years, 555 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,479 this is where we stand. 556 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,119 We are proposing the trial be held in a neutral country. 557 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,000 The Netherlands? 558 00:47:45,025 --> 00:47:47,399 Uh, it's the only way we'll get the Libyans on board. 559 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,999 It's the same with the jury. 560 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,479 Their lawyers are arguing that any jury will be biased. 561 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,319 So we're proposing a panel of Scottish judges, 562 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,240 which Libya are still... 563 00:47:57,989 --> 00:47:59,639 ..mulling over. 564 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:00,879 You've had quite a battle of it. 565 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,060 We are making legal history here. 566 00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:07,460 Nothing like this on this scale has ever been done before. 567 00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,079 The only problem is the US and the UK don't want 568 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,399 to be seen making concessions to Gaddafi. 569 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,695 And Gaddafi wants the Arab world to see him standing up 570 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,240 to the imperialistic dogs of the West. 571 00:48:20,226 --> 00:48:23,960 Behind closed doors, of course, both sides are desperate to agree. 572 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,439 The UK and the US for the sake of the families, 573 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,140 and Libya because UN sanctions are slowly killing the country. 574 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,780 Right now, it's Gaddafi that worries me. 575 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,591 I think he's about to walk away, 576 00:48:34,592 --> 00:48:36,192 whether his country collapses or not. 577 00:48:36,217 --> 00:48:37,326 You can't give up. 578 00:48:37,351 --> 00:48:40,760 I don't want to. I was born and raised in Lockerbie, Jim. 579 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,580 We will do all we can. Believe me. 580 00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:47,820 But unless we can get Gaddafi on board, 581 00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:49,640 it's game over. 582 00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:51,140 I'll help you. 583 00:48:54,457 --> 00:48:56,740 I have Gaddafi on speed dial. 584 00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:04,180 Last traces of my sense of humour, Robert. 585 00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:06,680 Ah. 586 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,340 But I'm serious. 587 00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:16,060 We should go and pay him a visit. 588 00:49:57,212 --> 00:49:59,620 Don't take waiting this long as a bad sign. 589 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,060 This is Professor Robert Black, 590 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,860 the legal expert who first proposed the idea. 591 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,420 Have a seat. 592 00:50:40,266 --> 00:50:42,465 My patience is being tested. 593 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,495 My legal experts has been in a discussion 594 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,119 with yours for many years. 595 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,620 We are impatient also, but we must persevere. 596 00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:54,500 Uh... Uh, the tide is turning, sir. 597 00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:58,455 I note that the Arab League have signalled their displeasure 598 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,240 at the current sanctions. 599 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,860 The whole world wants to see this trial happen. 600 00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,679 The one thing they aren't expecting 601 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,599 is for you to take the lead. Send the suspects. 602 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,719 The... The trial will be fair, your reputation intact. 603 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,580 And they will have no choice but to lift the sanctions. You win. 604 00:51:17,806 --> 00:51:19,086 On every count, sir. 605 00:51:19,379 --> 00:51:21,540 A victory for both you and your country. 606 00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:25,020 The way you lead, 607 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,100 others will follow. 608 00:51:28,540 --> 00:51:31,079 The Libyan government has finally agreed 609 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,839 to allow the suspects to be tried 610 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,700 in neutral territory under Scottish law. 611 00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:45,399 The trial masterminded by Professor Robert Black, 612 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,839 will be held at a former airbase in the Netherlands, 613 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,500 a first in international legal history. 614 00:52:15,157 --> 00:52:17,677 Some people said there was never going to be 615 00:52:17,702 --> 00:52:20,335 a criminal trial into the mass murder over Lockerbie. 616 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,469 There now is going to be a criminal trial. 617 00:52:22,536 --> 00:52:23,840 And best of all, the relatives 618 00:52:23,865 --> 00:52:26,815 will now have the chance to hear the evidence that we hold 619 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,900 brought out in a local court. 620 00:52:43,853 --> 00:52:45,980 I know you want to go to the trial. 621 00:52:47,646 --> 00:52:49,406 But after it's over, 622 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,060 I want you to promise me something. 623 00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:53,900 What? 624 00:53:00,550 --> 00:53:02,580 That that's the end of it. 625 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,900 You stop. 626 00:53:06,860 --> 00:53:09,189 You accept the verdict, whatever it is. 627 00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,219 And we get you back. 628 00:53:31,992 --> 00:53:33,135 I promise. 48989

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