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‐ I want some!
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‐ It's the Monopoly game,only at McDonald's!
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With over 50 million prizes,it's supersized excitement...
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‐ Monopoly.Do not pass "Go."
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Go directly to McDonald's.
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‐ If you were aroundback in the '90s...
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‐ Now at McDonald's,Monopoly is more than a game!
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You can play it...
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‐ You heard it everywhere.
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‐ The game Monopolyis back at McDonald's,
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bigger and better than ever.
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‐ This year,there's more prizes than ever.
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‐ McDonald's ranthe Monopoly game for years.
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‐ Hey, collectthe right game pieces...
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‐ And win $2 million.‐ [gasps]
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‐ But no one...
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knew the truth aboutthe game being played.
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No one.
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["Been Caught Stealing"by Jane's Addiction]
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♪ ♪
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‐ People everywhereare winning big!
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‐ ♪ I've beencaught stealing ♪
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♪ Once when I was five ♪
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♪ I enjoy stealing ♪
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‐ The McDonald's prizescould be cars,
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boats, $100,000up to the million dollars.
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‐ ♪ When I wantsomething, man ♪
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♪ I don't wanna pay for it ♪
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‐ But from 1989 to 2001...
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‐ ♪ Hey! ♪‐ I won a Dodge Viper!
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‐ There were nolegitimate winners
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of the high value game pieces
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in the McDonald'sMonopoly game.
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I mean, how crazy
bullshit is that?
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[laughing]
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‐ ♪ It's mine ♪
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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[waves crashing]
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[eerie music]
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♪ ♪
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‐ Jacksonville FBI hada little bit of a reputation
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of being a Sleepy Hollowretirement office.
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There was a slowerattitude there.
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Very undersized.
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You know, a fraction
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of a Miami or an Atlanta
or something like that,
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spread, you know‐‐
spread very thin.
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[light suspenseful music]
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♪ ♪
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At the time, in 2001,I supervised a squad
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of approximately 12 agentscharged with investigating
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white‐collar crime,bank fraud,
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healthcare fraud,public corruption.
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Even before I got there,
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I kept hearing about
this legendary guy, Rick Dent,
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mid‐career senior agentand his partner Doug Mathews,
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a newly assigned agentto the division.
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‐ I'm Special Agent Mathews.
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When you pull Jacksonvilleas an office you're going to,
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I know what I heard was,"Good luck with that."
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For big cases, man, you are‐‐
you're like duct‐taping stuff
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together just 'cause
you wanna make it happen.
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That's the type
of division you were in.
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I was lucky to link upwith Rick Dent early on
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and have him as the old guard,you know, my training agent.
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He's a mathematician and has
about as much personality
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as this piece of wood
right here.
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Very matter of fact.
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And so he and I were
kind of opposites there.
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You know, I'm always lookingfor another fun ride, right?
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If you guys get to Rick Dent,
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I'm telling you
he's gonna be...
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"Yes."
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"No."
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"Don't recall."
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♪ ♪
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[light music]
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The priority for the FBI
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at that particular juncture
was healthcare fraud.
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♪ ♪
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We're working a one‐to three‐year type case.
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That's a long time.
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Sometimes I have that ADD thing
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of the shinier object
or whatever.
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So I see this note
in the corner part of his desk,
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and all I saw was
"McDonald's Monopoly Fraud?"
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with a question mark.
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And I go, "What is that?"
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'Cause I'm bored to death
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of this healthcare garbage,
right?
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It's important,
but I was ready to move on.
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I go, "Is this the McDonald'sMonopoly game?"
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He was like, "Yeah.
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Eventually I was gonna
get around to it."
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♪ ♪
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So what he told me was
that there was an individual
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who had called in
and had this story
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that the Monopoly game
was fixed.
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♪ ♪
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That was pretty much it.
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I go,"Give me that damn thing.
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I'm gonna go check this out."
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I'm seeing the fun
meter with that.
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Like, that's gotta be
more fun than this shit
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that I'm looking at.
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Dent thought it wasjust some BS story...
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so, "Pfff, this‐‐yeah, here.
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Run with this for a little bit,
young man."
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I contacted the sourceof this call,
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and the source
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gave me three names
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that were previousmillion‐dollar winners
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and said,"I know this is fixed because
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"these people are related.
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"They're on
the family tree somehow.
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With all different names."
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And the personwho's controlling this
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was this nebulous nameof Uncle Jerry.
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♪ ♪
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So I come back, like,
I'm excited right?
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I got the biggest caseever, right?
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And I said, "Look,all million‐dollar winners.
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"We need to be on this.
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Screw that health‐‐" I think
I probably said that.
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"Screw that healthcare shit
we're working, right?"
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Or something like that.
[laughs]
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I don't‐‐Rick,
I don't know if that was it,
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or I know you would
never agree with that.
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But like any senior agent
goes‐‐
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and this happens
even in today's Bureau.
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The new young guy goes out
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and finds a nice pieceof gold.
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The old agent goes,
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"Give me that back,
and let me look at this."
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[laughing]
That's about how it was.
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‐ Truth be told,I was a little skeptical.
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You know, fast food,promotional game fraud
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was not making any listof priorities anywhere.
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I don't think anybody
had really even seen anything
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like this before, so...
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there's always a risk that Iturn these guys loose on this,
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and it turns outit's not true
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and that I've expendedresources,
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but you know,I think we all realized...
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if this is true, this is,
you know‐‐this is big.
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‐ What Rick did wasimmediately get in touch
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with the U. S. Attorney'sOffice and Mark Devereaux,
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'cause if you don't have
an interest from a prosecutor,
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you're wasting your time.
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[funky music]
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♪ ♪
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Devereaux was the go‐to guy
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that prosecutedall of our white‐collar stuff.
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‐ If there's a chancethis thing can be indicted,
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prosecuted,even if it's a difficult case,
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he's gonna be the guy to do it
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because he's the guybehind the wheel.
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♪ ♪
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‐ That part of the sell,
to get that prosecutor on was‐‐
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that was a big deal.
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I don't know if Devereaux
knew what Monopoly game was.
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I have no idea.
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You know, I think
he was a Burger King guy.
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I don't know.
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♪ ♪
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‐ My name's Mark Devereaux,
Assistant U. S. Attorney
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for almost 30 years.
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In this case,it was, you know,
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I don't know if this is real,
or don't know
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if it's just somebody
trying to get family members
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somehow interviewed
and get 'em in trouble.
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[dramatic music]
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But lo and behold...
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when we receiveda list of all the winners,
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we were able to show,through different databases,
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that these individualswere related.
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They had family connections
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in the localJacksonville area.
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In my world,
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you don't believe
in coincidences very much.
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And the chance of havingnumerous family members
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and relatives win the gamewas just astronomical.
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♪ ♪
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Basically, you've gotless of a chance than you do
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of getting struckby lightning in Florida.
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[thunderclap]
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At that point in time,
we knew there was a problem.
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How big was that problem?
We had no idea.
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‐ The informationthat we were compiling
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is that their contesthad been infected
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years before we became aware.
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‐ I mean, we're talking,
you know, altogether,
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potentially hundredsof millions of dollars
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of these prizes.
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Well, how much of that
is fraud?
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‐ Once Devereaux said, "Yeah,I'm interested in this,"
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he's on for everything.
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All the strategy sessions.
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Some prosecutors,you see that space, you know.
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Devereaux, you got no space.
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Right all up in therewith you.
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‐ So we start with wherecould there be the opportunity
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to steal the game piece?
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‐ We weren't sureif there was somebody inside
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with McDonald's,
where that person was,
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how many,
and how far that went.
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‐ How many suspectsdo we have?
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We have to figure outwho makes the cups,
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who makes the fry box,
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who makes these game piecesthat you would pull off‐‐
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how many peopleare in this chain?
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‐ There's all
kinds of possibilities.
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This could be the driver,
the delivery people,
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people in the factory,or even, you know,
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somebody in corporateat McDonald's.
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‐ We didn't close out anyone.
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‐ So there reached a pointwhere there was a ton
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of questions, but it was,
I mean, very difficult
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to pursue that further without
putting some action to it.
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There wasn't a lot of, like,
let me just, you know,
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at the time get on
the Internet and do some‐‐
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there wasn't a lot of that.
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‐ We clearly hadto start somewhere,
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but withoutcompromising the case.
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♪ ♪
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So we needed a source
of information on the inside.
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‐ There was a big decisionto be made, and that was:
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do we contact McDonald's?
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Because we just raninto a dead end.
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‐ I was sitting back going,"Don't let 'em know.
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I don't want them involved yet.
Way too soon."
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But that's me.
And I was‐‐that was just one
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little tiny voice, and I mean
tiny when I say that.
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‐ Of course there'sa possibility that somebody
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in McDonald's is involvedor knows about this
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and is lookingthe other way,
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but that was a risk
we were willing to,
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you know, ultimately
willing to take.
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‐ We didn't want to alert
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too many people at McDonald's,
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so we contacted theirhead of global security,
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Rob Holm, and told him that,
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"It would probably be best for
you to come to Jacksonville."
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Didn't tell him why.
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Just told him,"You have to come and see us."
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That this wasneed‐to‐know only.
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Do not tell anybodyyou're coming to see the FBI,
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to keep it quiet.
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McDonald's sent three people
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and I personally picked themup here in Jacksonville,
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and we drove over to the FBIoffice in the morning.
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Mostly it was just,"Welcome to Jacksonville,"
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this and that.
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Didn't even explain
to them what we had.
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♪ ♪
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We got to the FBI office...
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♪ ♪
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Took 'em upto the conference room...
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♪ ♪
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‐ You know, you're evaluatingtheir body language
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or whether they're twitching.
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Are they genuine?
Are they legitimate?
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Or is there‐‐you know, is there
something else going on here?
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‐ At that point,we did not know
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if McDonald's was involved.
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Every organization
can have a bad apple.
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♪ ♪
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‐ This partof the investigation
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was extremely boring to me.
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Like, I don't want
anything to do with this.
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"Call me when it's over, Rick,"
right?
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And‐‐which was sort
of my M. O. a lot of times.
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It's way too slow for me,
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but I was‐‐"No, you gotta
be here for that."
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And I so I think I showed up.
I might've had a gold suit on.
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[brassy music]
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♪ ♪
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I had it in the closet,
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and I thought,
"This is a great opportunity,
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when it's like a golden
fry suit," right?
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Man, when I wore thatin there, Mark Devereaux,
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if he could've ripped it off
with his hands, he would have.
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He goes, "Are you kidding me?"
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But I had a white
shirt on, right?
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So I thought I was safe.
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[laughs]
I wasn't.
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‐ Doug has quite a wardrobe,and there he is sitting there.
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And lo and behold,
he looks like
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he's a manager of a McDonald's.
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♪ ♪
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‐ They thought it was cool.
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[laughing]
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I'm kidding.
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So when you're there
in that meeting, very tense.
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‐ I went up to a whiteboard
and started putting names down.
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[dramatic music]
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And I asked,"Do you recognize the names?"
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‐ "No, sir."
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"All these people
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are winners on your
promotional games."
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♪ ♪
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And then I starteddrawing lines
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of family connectionsand relationships.
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♪ ♪
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‐ Devereaux's putting it
right on the whiteboard there.
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"Well, did you know this?
Do you know this?"
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Brothers, sisters, cousins,
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a mother‐daughter,that type thing.
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‐ This person is married
to this person's daughter.
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And the names, the last names,were all different.
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And I remember it was
literally jaws on the table.
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They just could not believe it.
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‐ Even though we had,
it looked like,
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our corporate victim
here of McDonald's,
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are they truly a victim?
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I mean, there's always that.
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♪ ♪
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And so, there was
more information there
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than I would've
probably put out there.
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Certainly enough
for them to see,
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"Wow, yeah, we have an issue."
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‐ Everybody agreed that
we needed to keep this circle
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of individuals
that had this knowledge
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to the absolute minimum.
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‐ You know, Devereauxwas doing most the talking
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as he usually does,
and it just seemed like
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this meeting just took forever.
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I don't even know
if I was hungry;
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I might've been hungry
twice in that meeting.
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‐ Proving this casehistorically,
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which is what we traditionallydid in white‐collar cases
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when you rely on paperwork,
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you rely onwitness interviews,
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you rely on bank statements,
was gonna be very difficult.
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I mean, almost monumental.
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So we would, in this case,
have to think outside the box.
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And then we find outthat they were on the cusp
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of running another game.
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It was kind of a perfect fitbecause we were looking
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to doing something proactively,
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essentially catch people
in the act.
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‐ We told them the only way
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to identify thiscriminal enterprise was
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to have them run a game
knowing that there's fraud
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somewhere involved in this.
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♪ ♪
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‐ We have this.We're going forward.
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We want your help.
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If the answer is no...
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nothing happens.
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♪ ♪
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‐ My name is Rob Holm,
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Director of Global Securityfor McDonald's.
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Our brand is,throughout the world,
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37,000 restaurants
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in 120 countries.
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So it's‐‐it's a big
responsibility.
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[light music]
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♪ ♪
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When I first learnedabout our Monopoly game
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being compromised,
I was shocked.
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I was utterly shocked.
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How in the world
could this have happened?
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More importantly, was anybody
from McDonald's a part of this?
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♪ ♪
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The FBI wantedto run the promotion
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knowing that it was rigged.
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I was hesitant to do that,
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obviously concerned that
if this game is rigged,
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customers are not
even gonna get a chance
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to win the million dollars.
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‐ I think we were naive
to think that they would agree
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right then and there
and, you know, we'd be off to,
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you know, off‐‐off and running.
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These promotions were...
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of everything McDonald's,
one of the bright spots.
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You know, I rememberthe mad cow, and at that time,
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McDonald's was, you know,
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struggling withsome image things.
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‐ Concern over Britain'sso‐called mad cow disease
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spread late todayto McDonald's restaurants.
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‐ First mad cow, now this.
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‐ ♪ McDonald's and you ♪
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♪ McDonald's and you,sharing good times ♪
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‐ The most important thingfor McDonald's
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is their brand name.
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They're a family restaurantthat can be trusted.
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Their golden archesare a part of America.
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‐ ♪ Remember there'sonly one McDonald's ♪
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♪ And there's only one you ♪
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‐ They have to protect that.
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‐ ♪ McDonald's and you ♪
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‐ And so, if it's on the 6:00news and the national news
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that McDonald'sgames are a fraud,
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they could sufferirreparable damage
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to their good name.
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I wasn't in their meetings,
404
00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,016
but I would betdollars to doughnuts
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00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:47,311
that there were a few peoplethat said, "We can't do this.
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Shut it off," and nobodyever finds out about this.
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‐ They wantedthis big meeting.
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00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:56,320
And so we wentout there to Illinois,
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at their headquarters.
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They got, like, this...
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great coffee inside to‐‐
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00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,285
you know,
when you walk in their place
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and you're waiting on them.
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00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:07,998
So anyway, I know
that's a‐‐aside.
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00:20:08,082 --> 00:20:10,835
‐ And at that time,we weren't sure
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which way they were gonna go.
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00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,965
That was a heck of a decision.
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00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:20,010
There were so many "what ifs."
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00:20:20,094 --> 00:20:23,848
What if it's somebodywithin our own company?
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A traitor?
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We've got a problem.
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00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:30,146
They needed to find that out,
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00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,314
because if they had justshut down,
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00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,024
it may have continued.
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00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:35,693
‐ Look, how many peoplebeen playing this thing?
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00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:38,696
And they're gonna find outwe didn't help burn this down.
427
00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,533
McDonald's knewthey had a ticking bomb.
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00:20:42,616 --> 00:20:44,744
[elevator dings]
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‐ Making that callwas something that
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00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:52,126
we took seriously.
431
00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,086
Our worry all along was
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00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:57,256
that this could beleaked out publically.
433
00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:59,967
So it was not an easy decision,
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00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,636
but ultimately,we owed it to our customers
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00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,346
to do the right thing,
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00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:07,141
which is to run the game
one more time.
437
00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:12,646
‐ We absolutely knew thatif we didn't get this right,
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00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,356
we're not getting another
opportunity.
439
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,066
It's not like, "Don't worry.
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00:21:16,150 --> 00:21:17,568
We'll run this again
next month."
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00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:21,071
We knew that, at best,we had this one shot
442
00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:24,074
to move our investigation.
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‐ ♪ This is how we do it ♪
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00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,537
‐ From that point,it was literally,
445
00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,998
"McDonald's, tell us
how this program works."
446
00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:33,626
But McDonald'smakes French fries
447
00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,754
and hamburgersand milkshakes and apple pies.
448
00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,131
They don't make marketing.
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00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:40,716
They outsourced it.
450
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,887
They hired a marketingcompany, Simon Marketing.
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00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,597
‐ ♪ This is how we do it ♪
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‐ Simon Marketing actuallyproduced and came up with
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the Happy Meal toysback in the '80s.
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00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,770
‐ Your kids will love
McDonald's Happy Meal.
455
00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:54,230
It's food and fun in a box.
456
00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:55,981
‐ The Happy Meal is gonnaincrease your business,
457
00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,316
but it's for the children.
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‐ I've got a Happy Meal!
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00:21:59,068 --> 00:22:01,195
‐ They wanteda promotion for the adult.
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00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,072
‐ ♪ Like McDonald's can ♪
461
00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:04,740
‐ I'm Richard White,
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00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,868
started at Simon Marketing
in 1981.
463
00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:11,455
‐ The game Monopoly hascome to life at McDonald's.
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‐ The Monopoly game,we designed that game
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and it was runningonce a year.
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‐ A $2 million grand prize!
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Play Monopoly.
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00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,466
‐ It was a ridiculousamount of increase
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00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:23,759
in McDonald's business.
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Like, 40% when we ran the game.
471
00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:28,013
People love collecting.
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00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:29,598
‐ The Monopoly promotion
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00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:33,644
is much like the "Monopoly"
game you would have at home.
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00:22:33,727 --> 00:22:36,272
Customers tryto match game pieces,
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00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,440
like Boardwalk and Park Place.
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00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,943
‐ They had their cards,and it'd be full,
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00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:43,195
but they'd be missing a piece
and a piece and a piece...
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00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:44,989
and a piece and a piece‐‐
'cause those were
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00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:46,198
the winning pieces.
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00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,534
‐ And there was low‐value
pieces that you could win
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00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:50,452
food items, beverages,
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and then someof the high‐value pieces:
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homes, vehicles,and the million dollars.
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00:22:54,415 --> 00:22:55,791
‐ [gasps]
Boardwalk.
485
00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,459
all:
Boardwalk?
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‐ So they were after thatmillion‐dollar winner.
487
00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,672
You know, peoplelike chance games.
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00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:03,549
Any game we did for McDonald's
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00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,175
always increasedtheir business.
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00:23:05,259 --> 00:23:07,261
We actually didScrabble one year.
491
00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:10,347
Got to where they started
doing it twice a year.
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00:23:10,431 --> 00:23:12,182
How are we gonna
get our sales back up?
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00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,268
Let's run Monopoly again.
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00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,520
‐ ♪ This is how we do it ♪
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00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:18,188
♪ All hands up in the air ♪
496
00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,357
‐ There were veryspecific rules
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00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:23,193
for how you couldobtain the game piece.
498
00:23:23,277 --> 00:23:26,655
One of the ways was
that you could just walk in
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00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:29,867
and ask, for free,to get a game piece.
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00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:31,911
Because otherwise
it was gambling.
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00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:33,871
How else can you
get the game piece?
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00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:36,040
You could go inand buy a food product,
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00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:38,167
and you couldget the game piece
504
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,919
out of some of the magazines.
505
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,963
Nowhere in the gamerules does it say,
506
00:23:43,047 --> 00:23:46,675
"I can get a game piece
from Uncle Jerry."
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00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,178
‐ ♪ This is how we do it ♪
508
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:52,222
[tense music]
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00:23:52,306 --> 00:23:53,807
♪ ♪
510
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‐ With a significant case,
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00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:58,270
an undercover operationor something that involves
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00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,522
a lot of people,you could give it a name.
513
00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,733
So we had a contest
to come up with a name
514
00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:04,902
among‐‐among the squad.
515
00:24:04,985 --> 00:24:06,403
Some of the names, uh...
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00:24:06,487 --> 00:24:09,406
Operation Unhappy Meal,Fallen Arches.
517
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:12,159
I think there were a fewplaying on the Hamburglar,
518
00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:13,953
something about Stale Fries.
519
00:24:14,036 --> 00:24:15,412
I don't think
we sent that one up
520
00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:16,872
to headquarters for approval.
521
00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,959
I think calmer,
more rational minds prevailed.
522
00:24:20,042 --> 00:24:21,585
The new promotionalgame was called,
523
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:22,920
"Who Wantsto Be a Millionaire?"
524
00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:24,546
to match up with the TV show.
525
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:25,881
‐ Play the "Who Wantsto be a Millionaire"
526
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,383
game at McDonald's.
527
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,842
‐ If you rememberthe TV show, they asked,
528
00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:30,260
"Is that your final answer?"
529
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,012
‐ Final answer?‐ Final answer.
530
00:24:32,096 --> 00:24:35,224
‐ So that ultimately became
the name of this operation.
531
00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:37,768
♪ ♪
532
00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:39,186
Game time.
533
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,188
Kickoff has started,
and we're in the game.
534
00:24:41,271 --> 00:24:44,233
♪ ♪
535
00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:51,615
‐ At the time,I was always looking for
536
00:24:51,699 --> 00:24:54,326
an undercover angle,
even though I was being told,
537
00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:56,245
"You don't want that.
You don't want that."
538
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:57,705
You know, I was always asking,
539
00:24:57,788 --> 00:25:00,040
"What about this one?
What about this one?"
540
00:25:00,124 --> 00:25:01,625
Go get the bad guy, right?
541
00:25:01,709 --> 00:25:04,044
I wanna burn down
the criminal enterprise.
542
00:25:05,546 --> 00:25:07,631
‐ Maybe it's the‐‐the accountant in him
543
00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:09,758
or this Walter Mittycomplex,
544
00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:11,427
but this was the opportunity
545
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,470
to, you know,
be an undercover agent
546
00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:16,974
even before we could
articulate the need
547
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,852
to do any kind of undercover‐‐
that there was always this,
548
00:25:19,935 --> 00:25:21,645
you know, somehow, some way,
549
00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:23,856
we gotta do
an undercover in this thing.
550
00:25:23,939 --> 00:25:25,149
♪ ♪
551
00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:27,651
‐ Every single meeting,I'm the one over there going,
552
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:30,195
"Undercover investigation,undercover investigation."
553
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,156
I didn't thinkanybody was listening.
554
00:25:32,239 --> 00:25:33,615
As a matter of fact,
I think a couple of them
555
00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:35,951
started out with, "Mathews,
I don't wanna hear anything
556
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,536
"about an undercover
investigation.
557
00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:39,288
Just sit over there
and listen."
558
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:42,374
Rick always coined that
I was the George Costanza
559
00:25:42,458 --> 00:25:44,334
'cause "Seinfeld"
was big back then.
560
00:25:44,418 --> 00:25:47,504
[laughter]
‐ All right, that's it for me.
561
00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:49,715
Take care, everybody.
562
00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,508
‐ I'd come in and I'd say,"Undercover,"
563
00:25:51,592 --> 00:25:53,177
and I'm gone, I was out.
564
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:55,262
‐ You could kind of let him
run with things a little bit
565
00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,431
and then bring him back
to reality.
566
00:25:57,514 --> 00:25:59,266
Okay,
"Yeah, that's great, Doug.
567
00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:01,935
"By the way, I still need
that FD‐302 you promised me,
568
00:26:02,019 --> 00:26:05,022
"so why don't you
go get that done,
569
00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:07,357
and then we'll talk
about undercover work."
570
00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:10,277
[phone ringing]
571
00:26:11,195 --> 00:26:13,405
So we get the callfrom McDonald's that this guy,
572
00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:17,034
Michael Hoover, a winner,had claimed the latest prize.
573
00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:21,038
So we had the advantageof knowing this person's name,
574
00:26:21,121 --> 00:26:24,249
and we're able to do a little
bit of preliminary background.
575
00:26:24,333 --> 00:26:27,961
[dramatic music]
576
00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:31,632
Think he worked as a pit bossat a casino.
577
00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:34,927
So I guess he would'vebeen familiar with
578
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,846
gambling and sweepstakes
and whatnot.
579
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:40,682
‐ Rick wanted to tryto do the wiretap.
580
00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:43,060
It's a called a Title IIIinvestigation, and it's‐‐
581
00:26:43,143 --> 00:26:45,395
the wiretapinvestigation got up.
582
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:47,314
And, you know,you're sitting‐‐
583
00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:48,649
you're not reallydoing anything,
584
00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:50,901
and that'sa boring situation for me.
585
00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:52,569
I don't know how
many poems I can write
586
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:54,655
on a piece of paper
to get through it.
587
00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:57,950
So I said, "Look,what do you think about this?"
588
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,118
When you win,part of your signing up
589
00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:02,955
as a winner is to say,"Hey, I'm okay with using
590
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:05,749
my face in the big check,"or whatever it is
591
00:27:05,833 --> 00:27:07,459
for future promotions.
592
00:27:07,543 --> 00:27:09,753
So I saw that
as an opportunity.
593
00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:13,215
Let's use that
as a platform for us.
594
00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:15,050
♪ ♪
595
00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:17,386
I said, "I think thisis a great opportunity
596
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,972
"for an undercoverinvestigation where we do
597
00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:23,267
"this TV commercialof the winners
598
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:25,394
"like PublishersClearing House.
599
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,063
"Jumping up, telling ushow they won these
600
00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:30,065
"and what they did with it,that kind of thing.
601
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,901
"So we could dothat with Hoover.
602
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,237
"You know, we're
the production company.
603
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,488
That's how this could roll."
604
00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:38,949
He's like, "Mathews,who's gonna do this?
605
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:40,826
You gonna do it?
'Cause I'm not doing it."
606
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,120
And I said,
"Yeah, I'm gonna do it."
607
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:45,289
He goes, "Well, you don't
know anything about that."
608
00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:48,125
And I said,
"I'm gonna be the director.
609
00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:49,793
"Because they don't do shit.
610
00:27:49,877 --> 00:27:53,297
"And then I'm gonnaget McDonald's to give me
611
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:55,424
their public relations."
612
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:56,592
That's all I said.
613
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,385
And Rick goes, "Wait a minute.
614
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,888
"If we're goingto do anything,
615
00:28:00,971 --> 00:28:03,807
we're gonna needSAC authority."
616
00:28:03,891 --> 00:28:09,229
♪ ♪
617
00:28:11,732 --> 00:28:14,109
‐ I'm Tom Kneir.I was the special agent
618
00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:17,613
in charge of the Jacksonvilleoffice of the FBI.
619
00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:21,533
In each office, you havethe SAC for the office.
620
00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,535
That's theirSpecial Agent in Charge.
621
00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:25,454
And then you have squads.
622
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:31,335
Most of the contact is usually
with the squad supervisor.
623
00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,670
But this was‐‐this
was a particular case
624
00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:37,674
that, you know, I had
a lot of hands‐on with Chris
625
00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:39,760
and everybody that
worked on that case.
626
00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:43,180
Doug was almostbrand new at the time,
627
00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:46,350
and he's been givena badge, a gun,
628
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:47,851
and some credentials,
629
00:28:47,935 --> 00:28:50,354
and now he's got
a Superman's cape, right?
630
00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,439
[laughing]
And away he goes.
631
00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,233
‐ So the next day,I think I was called.
632
00:28:55,317 --> 00:28:57,611
And he said, "Hey,you need to come up here."
633
00:28:57,694 --> 00:28:59,571
When you hear your name,
634
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:02,574
"Mathewsto the SAC's office,"
635
00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:03,867
never good.
636
00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:05,619
Never, ever good.
637
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:07,704
And everybody knows.It's like the walk of shame.
638
00:29:07,788 --> 00:29:09,623
To the elevators, whatever.
639
00:29:09,706 --> 00:29:11,041
"Oh, shit, Mathews.
640
00:29:11,124 --> 00:29:12,793
I hope you still
have a paycheck."
641
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:15,003
'Cause they all know it's bad.
642
00:29:16,129 --> 00:29:19,800
And so I come inand it's SAC Kneir, CDC,
643
00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:23,053
the Chief Division Council,Rick Dent, Graham,
644
00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:26,974
in this room about
this size, so small.
645
00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:28,892
♪ ♪
646
00:29:28,976 --> 00:29:31,812
And they all, like, turnedto look at me, and I'm like...
647
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:34,106
And I go, "I'm sorry."
648
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:35,607
That's all I said.
649
00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:37,025
And Rick goes,
650
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,237
"You know,
I think this might work.
651
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,197
And he's gonna do it."
652
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,701
And that right then was
probably‐‐if I was ever, like,
653
00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:47,536
concerned about,
"I don't know, man.
654
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,996
This might get somewhere‐‐"
you know, whatever,
655
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,580
be careful what
you ask for, thing?
656
00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:52,457
Maybe that was
the moment for me,
657
00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,835
but it quickly passed
and I was back in.
658
00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:56,670
♪ ♪
659
00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,380
‐ We didn't havea lot of undercover agents
660
00:29:58,463 --> 00:29:59,798
in Jacksonville.
661
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,300
You know, you could call
headquarters and say,
662
00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:05,595
"Hey, you know, we need
a undercover agent down here."
663
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,764
"Well, he's not available
for three weeks,"
664
00:30:07,848 --> 00:30:09,307
and, you know.
And so we‐‐we'd just
665
00:30:09,391 --> 00:30:11,018
kind of rolled the dice
and said, "You know what?
666
00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,061
Doug is a little bitof an actor anyway,"
667
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,147
so I guess that's
when my hair turned white.
668
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:16,815
[laughs]
No.
669
00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,484
‐ Being an undercover agent,it's not just something
670
00:30:19,568 --> 00:30:21,778
you raise your handand decide to do.
671
00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,281
You know, there'sa stringent process, a school,
672
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,784
testing, all these things
that didn't exactly mesh
673
00:30:27,868 --> 00:30:30,787
with Doug's concept
of being undercover.
674
00:30:30,871 --> 00:30:32,748
You know, he wanted to...
675
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,208
wanted to get right
up there on stage.
676
00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:38,628
♪ ♪
677
00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,630
‐ He was nota certified undercover,
678
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:42,340
but for a specific case,
679
00:30:42,424 --> 00:30:44,634
you can get what
they call SAC authority
680
00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:48,138
to do undercover work,
and that's what Doug Mathews
681
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:50,348
did just for thatspecific case.
682
00:30:50,432 --> 00:30:53,977
My name's Janet Pellicciotti,
and I was a special agent
683
00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:56,146
for the FBI in
the Jacksonville Division.
684
00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:57,731
I was our undercover
coordinator also,
685
00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:01,151
and I tried to get him
to become an undercover agent
686
00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:02,819
because he was just‐‐he was a natural.
687
00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,447
Undercover was like acting,only...
688
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:06,656
it's real.
689
00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:09,451
You know, you sit there
and there's a real threat,
690
00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:11,495
and somebody could harm you.
691
00:31:11,578 --> 00:31:12,746
They could really harm you.
692
00:31:12,829 --> 00:31:14,206
‐ The Jacksonville Division,
693
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:16,708
if you talk
to Agent Pellicciotti,
694
00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:20,212
is a small division that
didn't do a lot of this.
695
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,674
‐ Right, so I got
to do all the fun
696
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,843
and not have to go throughall the bullshit.
697
00:31:26,927 --> 00:31:29,763
Yeah, just make it happen.
That's what it was.
698
00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:31,306
"Hey, Mathews,
just make it happen."
699
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:32,724
And I'm thinking to myself...
700
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:35,727
And then two is...
701
00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:39,147
[jazzy music]
702
00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,024
‐ He wanted to be throwninto the lion's den,
703
00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:44,194
and he wouldn't have gottenit if the SAC did not feel
704
00:31:44,277 --> 00:31:46,029
he could handle himself.
705
00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,865
So they got someundercovers, you know,
706
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:50,951
to act as a film crew.
707
00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:55,372
‐ My name is Jan Garvin,
and I was videographer.
708
00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,999
When I answeredhis call, he said,
709
00:31:58,083 --> 00:31:59,292
"You're gonna love this."
710
00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:00,877
Not, "Hey, Jan,
how's it going?
711
00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,170
Let's go, you know‐‐
how was the trip?"
712
00:32:02,254 --> 00:32:04,089
You know, it was like,
"You're gonna love this."
713
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,842
And after he explained
what it was, it was like...
714
00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:10,137
And...
715
00:32:12,806 --> 00:32:15,725
♪ ♪
716
00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:18,687
‐ We needed to put togetherwhat appears to be
717
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,814
a legitimateproduction company.
718
00:32:20,897 --> 00:32:23,441
A video person,an audio person,
719
00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,570
a director and a‐‐
an interviewer.
720
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:28,989
‐ I go, "Yeah, I needone just to act like
721
00:32:29,072 --> 00:32:30,740
"they're the lightingperson or whatever.
722
00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:33,034
"Nobody needs to see
that you're Bureau, right?
723
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:35,162
"So give me somebody that's
not stupid, 'cause,
724
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,913
you know, we don't
know jack, right?"
725
00:32:36,997 --> 00:32:39,666
In my mind I just thought,
you know, just get on the stage
726
00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:42,961
and everything will be fine;
you'll just roll right through.
727
00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:47,215
♪ ♪
728
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:48,758
‐ With any production company
729
00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,510
and any goodundercover operation,
730
00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:52,470
you need a good name
and in this case,
731
00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:54,848
we came up with
Shamrock Productions.
732
00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:57,809
♪ ♪
733
00:32:57,893 --> 00:33:00,020
Which is good,but I always liked the byline,
734
00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,147
"'Cause you're just lucky."
735
00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:05,025
‐ That was‐‐that was good.
736
00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:09,779
♪ ♪
737
00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:12,532
‐ We thought abouthaving everybody
738
00:33:12,616 --> 00:33:16,745
in this undercover
operation be FBI personnel.
739
00:33:16,828 --> 00:33:18,538
They legitimately tried
to make that happen.
740
00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:23,418
It just‐‐the way that
this scenario had to run,
741
00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:26,796
you needed somebody
inside McDonald's
742
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,049
with that background.
743
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:31,760
That would be hard to fake.
744
00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:34,804
[light music]
745
00:33:34,888 --> 00:33:37,182
♪ ♪
746
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:39,809
‐ My name's Amy Murray.
747
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:43,188
I've been with McDonald'sfor 22 years.
748
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:44,981
♪ ♪
749
00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:47,525
The FBI investigationhappened 17 years ago,
750
00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:50,153
and it's been years
since I've talked to anyone,
751
00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:52,948
so, in fact, I don't really
tell the story that much
752
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,532
because, you know,
753
00:33:54,616 --> 00:33:56,534
how do you drop
into conversation that
754
00:33:56,618 --> 00:33:58,787
you're part
of an FBI investigation?
755
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:01,665
♪ ♪
756
00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:05,919
Back in 2001, I was inthe communications department.
757
00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:08,463
I had only been
working on Monopoly and games
758
00:34:08,546 --> 00:34:10,257
for about six months.
759
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:15,053
My boss's boss called me intohis office and he was like,
760
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:17,472
"Amy, the FBI has contacted us.
761
00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:22,143
"They've told us that the game
pieces are being stolen
762
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:25,855
"and that the entire game
may be compromised
763
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,566
by a criminal ring."
764
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:31,653
And if you can imagine,
I was completely shocked.
765
00:34:33,113 --> 00:34:36,199
You know, I felt sickto my stomach.
766
00:34:36,283 --> 00:34:39,995
To break that trustwas just devastating.
767
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:41,788
How could this possibly happen?
768
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:44,207
I started thinking back
to all the answers
769
00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:46,710
that I've heard from
Monopoly winners in the past,
770
00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:50,005
and it did seem like
they were almost scripted.
771
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,133
Hindsight's 20/20,and I started to realize
772
00:34:53,216 --> 00:34:56,052
that it did seem likethere was a pattern.
773
00:34:56,136 --> 00:34:59,139
You know, I used that word,"pattern" and I think that
774
00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,433
was when the FBI really said,
775
00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:04,728
"It would be great
to talk to Amy directly,
776
00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:07,397
since she has so much contactwith the winners."
777
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,399
♪ ♪
778
00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:12,569
‐ For a civilian to participate
in an undercover operation
779
00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:15,739
doesn't happen much at all,
for obvious reasons, right?
780
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,575
It's‐‐if something happens,
781
00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:20,827
you want people who are
professionals that are
782
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,079
used to being
in situations like that.
783
00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:25,999
‐ I was a little concerned,
because I wanted to make sure
784
00:35:26,082 --> 00:35:29,753
that her safety and security
was first and foremost.
785
00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,465
They said, "Rob, don't worry.
She will be safe."
786
00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,592
♪ ♪
787
00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:38,428
‐ We really didn't knowhow far we would have to go
788
00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:40,639
to help the FBI get evidence,
789
00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:43,391
and yes,
there were nerves involved,
790
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:45,727
and I was nervous.
791
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:47,145
But I was all‐in.
792
00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:50,106
You know, I wanted to makeit right as fast as possible.
793
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:54,235
So I would be talking
to the FBI sometimes every day,
794
00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,612
sometimes twice a day.
795
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,323
People were intrigued, like,
"What's this special project?"
796
00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:00,533
I just couldn't talk
about this, not to my family,
797
00:36:00,617 --> 00:36:03,244
not to my closest friends,
798
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,080
not even to coworkers.
799
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,124
‐ We told a couple people
800
00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:10,168
in McDonald's and thenour team; that's it.
801
00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:12,545
'Cause we still didn't know,
you gotta remember‐‐
802
00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:15,048
like, this investigation‐‐
we still didn't know
803
00:36:15,131 --> 00:36:17,509
if anybody was infected
804
00:36:17,592 --> 00:36:19,803
through corporate,
right, or who.
805
00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:22,639
‐ So we set up a time for
806
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:25,684
Shamrock Productions to go up
807
00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,228
and visit Mr. Hoover.
808
00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:32,357
‐ He had already beenin contact with Amy,
809
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,902
and he was very amenableto us coming by to film
810
00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:38,697
this commercial thatwe were putting together.
811
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:41,282
‐ I'll never forgetshowing up at an airport,
812
00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:44,661
and a white van pulled upwith all of the FBI agents
813
00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:47,455
and, you know, they're like,
you know, "Hi, Amy."
814
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,124
And I was introduced
to all of them.
815
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:50,709
You know, I really
had to talk to Doug about,
816
00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:52,460
"This is what
a producer would do;
817
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,170
this is what
the cameraman would do."
818
00:36:54,254 --> 00:36:56,131
And I was just playing myself.
819
00:36:57,674 --> 00:36:59,551
‐ So the first timewe're going out there,
820
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:01,177
I think I had,like, a golf shirt on.
821
00:37:01,261 --> 00:37:03,346
I looked like maybeI'd played nine holes
822
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:04,931
or something like that.
823
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:06,975
That's what Amy told me
what a director looks like‐‐
824
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,561
looks like somebody that's
just come off the golf course.
825
00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:11,938
[laughs]
So I'm excited, right?
826
00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:15,692
But I have a lotof apprehension as well.
827
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:16,901
It's the first one.
828
00:37:16,985 --> 00:37:18,820
You want it to be seamless,
829
00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,197
and you don't know
what to expect.
830
00:37:21,281 --> 00:37:24,159
‐ As an agent, you know,you wanna carry a gun
831
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,202
and wear a bulletproof vest.
832
00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,580
But in a situation like this,an undercover operation,
833
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:30,206
that may be too much risk.
834
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:32,792
You can wear an ankle holster
and then, you know,
835
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:34,085
and then you sit down
in a chair,
836
00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:35,837
and somebody sees it, so...
837
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,591
‐ You had that little extraantenna going up to make sure
838
00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:42,635
you don't say anythingor do anything
839
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,138
that would trigger
their suspect to look at you
840
00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:47,682
crossways and go, "Oh, hmm..."
841
00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:50,477
‐ I had butterfliesin my stomach.
842
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,855
I was nervous about not
wrecking the investigation.
843
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,399
You know, I really wanted
to make sure I did a good job,
844
00:37:56,483 --> 00:37:58,943
that I wasn't
causing any suspicion.
845
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:02,155
It's an adrenaline that
happens through your system.
846
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:05,283
You know, you feel
fully awake and alive.
847
00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:06,284
♪ ♪
848
00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,536
‐ She was very nervous,and I'm like,
849
00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:10,121
"You talk to these people
all the time, right?"
850
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:11,790
"Well, yeah,
but not like this."
851
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:13,541
And I go,
"There's not like this.
852
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:16,252
"You don't know anything
about our investigation.
853
00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:18,254
They don't either,
so forget about that."
854
00:38:18,338 --> 00:38:19,589
She's laughing, like,
855
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,508
"How am I supposed to forget
about that?", right?
856
00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:23,092
And I said, "You gotto forget about that
857
00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:25,637
and just do whatyou normally do."
858
00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,431
"We're very close to the exit.We know where it is.
859
00:38:28,515 --> 00:38:30,767
"Just stay as close as you can
860
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,852
'cause I don't knowwhat to expect."
861
00:38:32,936 --> 00:38:36,105
‐ Any civilian that you bringin, you're gonna tell them,
862
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:39,192
"We have a team.There's always a team outside.
863
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,736
♪ ♪
864
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:44,906
"If anything happens,they'll be there immediately
865
00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:47,450
to make sure
you're safe and secure."
866
00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:50,286
‐ We have distress calls,things like that.
867
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,706
So if the undercover agentsays a certain word, you know,
868
00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,209
"I feel like
a terrible flu is coming on,"
869
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,253
something's really gone wrong;
we got a problem.
870
00:38:58,336 --> 00:38:59,838
[knocking]
871
00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:03,258
‐ And so they wentto his home.
872
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,969
They came in...
873
00:39:06,052 --> 00:39:09,472
and so you have the FBI agents,
unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover,
874
00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,641
with the cameras
on their shoulder.
875
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:14,060
‐ If we were set up to record
876
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:17,480
pretty much anything, we wouldhit the record button.
877
00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:19,440
You never know
what you're gonna capture.
878
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,318
Always gold when
they don't know it.
879
00:39:22,402 --> 00:39:25,196
‐ The greatest thing
in the world about all this
880
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,489
is what?
881
00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:28,199
We had a camera rolling.
882
00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:32,495
♪ ♪
883
00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:35,123
[indistinct chatter]
884
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,499
‐ [laughs]
‐ What was that?
885
00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:37,667
‐ You think you
could take that
886
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:38,960
to your local bank to cash?
887
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,337
‐ I doubt it.
[laughs] I doubt it.
888
00:39:41,421 --> 00:39:42,881
‐ [indistinct]
We'll do this at the end.
889
00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:45,717
‐ Amy, she, you know,worked her McDonald's magic,
890
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,888
and she had all this
confetti popper stuff
891
00:39:49,971 --> 00:39:51,806
and the big check.
892
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,850
We never know whenever
we get a call from Amy
893
00:39:53,933 --> 00:39:56,227
sort of where we're gonna‐‐
it's always good to find out
894
00:39:56,311 --> 00:39:58,980
where she always takes us
to a different area.
895
00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:00,356
‐ A good surprise.
896
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,734
‐ Yeah, that's definitely
childproof.
897
00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:04,819
‐ [laughs]
‐ I mean, it's big check.
898
00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:07,447
I think it was taller
than her, actually.
899
00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:11,117
‐ Everything hadto seem very natural.
900
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120
It had to seem like we had
done this a million times.
901
00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:16,372
We made sure that
I always called Doug, "Doug"
902
00:40:16,456 --> 00:40:18,041
and not "Agent Mathews,"
903
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:19,626
because it would have
been really bad if suddenly
904
00:40:19,709 --> 00:40:22,128
I was like, "Uh, Agent Mathews,
can you go do this?"
905
00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,506
‐ Amy was really nervous,the whole time.
906
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:28,051
[laughs]
So‐‐which was good.
907
00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:29,552
It was healthy to be that way,
908
00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,055
'cause I told her I was too,
and I wasn't‐‐you know,
909
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:33,056
I wasn't lying to her.
910
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:35,224
She's used to this; I'm not.
911
00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:37,393
Even though I said,
"Oh, I got this," right?
912
00:40:37,477 --> 00:40:41,022
She had no idea thatI had never done this before,
913
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,065
but I loved it.
914
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,108
‐ There's Mr. Monopoly.
‐ There he is!
915
00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,444
All right.
‐ It's gotta be sinking in now.
916
00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:48,237
‐ Now it's official,
Ronald McDonald,
917
00:40:48,321 --> 00:40:50,531
the official signature.
918
00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:55,203
‐ Doug Mathews could talk toa wall and get it to respond.
919
00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,705
You know, he's got that
little bit of a Southern drawl
920
00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,374
and everybody
sort of likes him.
921
00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:01,918
He's the,
"Oh, gosh darn, you won."
922
00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:04,295
‐ There was no riskthat somebody's gonna think,
923
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:06,005
"Well, this guy is
an FBI agent,
924
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:07,757
and this is
an undercover operation."
925
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,926
I mean, nobody‐‐
[laughs]
926
00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:13,096
no FBI agent laughs
as much as this guy does.
927
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,515
‐ I go, "Wow, this reallylooks like there's‐‐
928
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:17,517
it's hada woman's touch here."
929
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,937
I mean, it was all
this plaid‐‐just, this shit.
930
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:23,773
[laughs]
Which is probably why I did it.
931
00:41:23,856 --> 00:41:25,817
[laughing]
932
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,860
And, you know, I said all
kinds of stuff, I was‐‐
933
00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:30,989
again, I was trying to,
you know, move this out,
934
00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:32,615
make everybody seem
real comfortable
935
00:41:32,699 --> 00:41:35,118
with uncomfortable things,
which is what I'm good at.
936
00:41:35,201 --> 00:41:38,371
♪ ♪
937
00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:40,456
‐ Tell us the storyabout how you won
938
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:42,125
at the Monopoly game,everything like that,
939
00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:43,167
in your own words.
940
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,293
‐ Okay.
941
00:41:44,377 --> 00:41:46,129
Um...
942
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:47,588
day started out
pretty peaceful.
943
00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:48,589
It was a day off,
944
00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:50,842
and I went to the beach
for a while.
945
00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:54,345
I ended up actually
falling asleep at the beach.
946
00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:57,390
And when I woke up,
the wind had come up
947
00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,392
and I was covered with sand‐‐
948
00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:00,977
not a lot,
but a little bit of sand‐‐
949
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,980
and I picked up my belongings,
and I headed down
950
00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:06,315
to the water there
to kind of wash my legs off
951
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,485
with the sand,
and I was a little klutzy.
952
00:42:09,569 --> 00:42:11,904
The "People" magazine...
[clears throat]
953
00:42:11,988 --> 00:42:14,782
and my towel
fell out of the backpack,
954
00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:17,618
fell into the water,
and got all wet.
955
00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:20,663
I ended up, uh...
throwing those away
956
00:42:20,747 --> 00:42:22,206
on the way to the car,
957
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,167
and then after...
958
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:26,210
I was coming home,
I decided to stop and get
959
00:42:26,294 --> 00:42:28,337
provisions for dinner.
960
00:42:28,421 --> 00:42:31,716
So I stopped
at the McQuade's Supermarket
961
00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,509
and picked up a few things,
962
00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:35,928
and I had never got a chance
to read the magazine.
963
00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:37,805
And they‐‐there
it was right there
964
00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:39,891
at the checkout stand,
so I bought one.
965
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:41,893
And when I got home,
I was leafing through it,
966
00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:45,772
and we had
the McDonald's Monopoly game,
967
00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,608
and it had instant
prize winners on it‐‐
968
00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,902
or they had the quick pick,
whatever you call 'em.
969
00:42:50,985 --> 00:42:52,612
I don't know
what they're called.
970
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,531
Uh, and the first one
I peeled off, I believe,
971
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:56,824
was Pennsylvania Avenue.
972
00:42:56,908 --> 00:42:58,576
And the second one I peeled off
973
00:42:58,659 --> 00:43:00,328
was a million‐dollar
instant prize winner,
974
00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:03,206
and it was like,
"Wow, is this for real?"
975
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:06,292
And then I, uh...
followed the directions
976
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:10,129
and made the calls and talked
to the people, and, uh...
977
00:43:10,213 --> 00:43:11,506
it was for real.
978
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,299
‐ Amy's just used
to getting the story.
979
00:43:13,382 --> 00:43:14,884
But for me,
I'm putting legs to that.
980
00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:19,055
And he was mentioning somegrocery story, and so I go,
981
00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:21,724
"Which one?
Is it right here?"
982
00:43:21,808 --> 00:43:23,184
"Hey, can you take us there?"
983
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:24,602
He goes, "Sure."
984
00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:26,437
You know, he's feeding
off the energy part.
985
00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,397
No, I wasn't
about to stop that.
986
00:43:28,481 --> 00:43:30,942
That was great.
It's a field trip, right?
987
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:32,902
[engine revving]
988
00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,029
I'm getting calls,
"The fuck are you doing?"
989
00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:37,198
"I mean, why are you‐‐what?"This is, like,
990
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:40,243
"Are you adlibbing?"And I'd go, "Hey, Jan."
991
00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:41,619
My camera guy, right?
992
00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:42,578
Can you get this?"
993
00:43:42,662 --> 00:43:44,080
"Yeah, I can get it."
994
00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:45,623
[tires screech]
995
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:50,378
‐ Doug struck me as oneof the new breed of agents
996
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,297
who thinks outsidethe box, if you will.
997
00:43:53,381 --> 00:43:56,884
But he was gung‐ho
from the get‐go.
998
00:43:58,594 --> 00:44:01,639
‐ This is where I got
the, uh, "People" magazine.
999
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,934
And inside we had
the Monopoly game
1000
00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:07,228
with the instant
$1 million winner,
1001
00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:11,065
and it was great;
it's fantastic!
1002
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,483
‐ Great!
‐ Got it, okay.
1003
00:44:12,567 --> 00:44:15,778
‐ He's telling us how he wonthe prize, all the BS.
1004
00:44:15,862 --> 00:44:17,947
His was a magazine‐typething which, at the time
1005
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,824
I didn't even know.I'm looking over, I go,
1006
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:22,451
"Really? I thought yougot this off the packages."
1007
00:44:22,535 --> 00:44:24,537
‐ And Amy's like,
"Did you read any of that
1008
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:25,705
shit I sent you?"
1009
00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:28,541
Right, and I go,
"Of course I did."
1010
00:44:28,624 --> 00:44:30,293
Which I may have glossed over.
1011
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:32,712
So I go, "Hey, what'dyou do with the money?"
1012
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,463
Why?
Because I want to go
1013
00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:35,965
seize that stuff, right?
1014
00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:38,217
And he's like,"I'm buying a boat."
1015
00:44:38,301 --> 00:44:39,802
And so I go, "What name
1016
00:44:39,886 --> 00:44:41,345
would you have onthe back of your boat?"
1017
00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,849
And he was like,"Ruthless Scoundrel."
1018
00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:46,017
‐ One, two, three!
1019
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:47,810
‐ Thanks, McDonald's.
1020
00:44:47,894 --> 00:44:50,563
Hey!
[laughs]
1021
00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:53,983
‐ So I'm reenactingthat, right, and I go,
1022
00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:56,277
"So, Michael,you were on the beach?"
1023
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,446
"Yes, and it's right here.
It's this beach."
1024
00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:00,990
And I go, "Really?
Take us to it."
1025
00:45:01,073 --> 00:45:03,993
And I didn't care what thatmeant to my camera guy, right?
1026
00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:06,579
He's like, "Are you‐‐fuck,
are you kidding me?
1027
00:45:06,662 --> 00:45:08,915
I gotta‐‐the damn beach?"
1028
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:10,833
‐ There's always somebody
1029
00:45:10,917 --> 00:45:13,669
that could respondtactically, if needed.
1030
00:45:13,753 --> 00:45:16,923
But if something went south,
1031
00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:19,258
between the time
something went south
1032
00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:20,968
and the time they got there...
1033
00:45:21,052 --> 00:45:24,013
[dramatic music]
1034
00:45:24,096 --> 00:45:26,098
♪ ♪
1035
00:45:26,182 --> 00:45:28,768
Don't do anything stupid.
1036
00:45:28,851 --> 00:45:30,311
♪ ♪
1037
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:32,480
‐ Doug, you know,
he was a professional,
1038
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,273
but he also did
like to have fun.
1039
00:45:34,357 --> 00:45:36,525
So he loved to tease me
1040
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:38,319
and kept me on my toes.
1041
00:45:38,402 --> 00:45:40,196
‐ This is what
makes my fun meter go.
1042
00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:42,281
Amy's back there going,"Look at these shoes I have,"
1043
00:45:42,365 --> 00:45:43,991
and I'm not lookingat shit like that.
1044
00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,701
I mean, "Take your high heels‐‐
why are you wearing
1045
00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:46,661
high heels anyway?"
1046
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:47,745
And she's like, "Are you‐‐"
1047
00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:50,122
you know, she was
getting on to me about,
1048
00:45:50,206 --> 00:45:51,999
"Hey, can you plan
this better?"
1049
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,084
But I didn't know.
1050
00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:54,460
‐ Can you get enough sound
1051
00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:55,962
if he tells
the story one more time?
1052
00:45:56,045 --> 00:45:57,421
‐ You need it?
1053
00:45:57,505 --> 00:45:59,131
We could try it.
‐ Okay.
1054
00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:01,801
‐ [chuckles]
‐ Anybody noticing you yet?
1055
00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:03,219
‐ Not really.
1056
00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:04,971
‐ Good.
1057
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:09,141
‐ When Doug's at the house,
1058
00:46:09,225 --> 00:46:11,018
it was a controlledenvironment.
1059
00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:12,645
When you're out
in the real world,
1060
00:46:12,728 --> 00:46:14,230
there's nothing controlled.
1061
00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:16,023
You're always a little worried
1062
00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:19,860
the operation and the casecould be compromised.
1063
00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:22,947
‐ Uh, this is where I lost
my "People" magazine.
1064
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:25,116
I'm glad that after
the beach I stopped
1065
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,243
and picked up another one
because when I did,
1066
00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,996
I found the McDonald's
Monopoly Game,
1067
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,623
$1 million
instant prize winner.
1068
00:46:32,707 --> 00:46:34,500
‐ Great.
Okay, good.
1069
00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:37,086
‐ Obviously, you know,this was Doug's very first
1070
00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:40,589
undercover, and so you'dwanna try to keep him
1071
00:46:40,673 --> 00:46:44,260
under control,
keep him sedated,
1072
00:46:44,343 --> 00:46:45,428
so to speak.
1073
00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,138
They don't make it easy.
1074
00:46:47,221 --> 00:46:49,265
‐ So I'm like,
"Man, I got plenty.
1075
00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:50,433
I got enough."
1076
00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:52,310
‐ Can I do a couple
of artsy things,
1077
00:46:52,393 --> 00:46:54,854
okay, real quick?
1078
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:57,148
‐ Hey.
[laughs]
1079
00:46:57,231 --> 00:46:59,108
‐ You know, he'd standthere smiling, and you know,
1080
00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,609
you're doingall this artsy stuff,
1081
00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:04,905
and then some kid ran up
and grabbed the check.
1082
00:47:04,989 --> 00:47:06,991
To run away with it.
1083
00:47:07,742 --> 00:47:10,328
‐ Like, I'm gonna letthis evidence just walk?
1084
00:47:10,411 --> 00:47:11,287
No way.
1085
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,205
And I'm truckingdown the beach...
1086
00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:16,625
‐ And it's like,
"Dude, it's not real."
1087
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:17,626
‐ It was bad news.
1088
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:20,087
That's not a good problemto have,
1089
00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:21,297
being an undercover agent.
1090
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,299
‐ And this guy is hammered.
1091
00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:24,592
Fortunately, he's running,like,
1092
00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:27,845
in a zigzag,so it's easy to catch.
1093
00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,639
This kid, he was, like,full of sand in his mouth
1094
00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:33,100
and crap and I'm like,
"Dude..."
1095
00:47:33,184 --> 00:47:34,643
[stammers]
1096
00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:36,645
"I don't know what I'm gonna
do with all this sand."
1097
00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:40,316
And he's like,
"Man, I just saw, like,
1098
00:47:40,399 --> 00:47:43,819
"all those zeros and thought...
1099
00:47:43,903 --> 00:47:45,154
I'm just gonna go take it."
1100
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:46,947
And I can't even remember
where he wandered off,
1101
00:47:47,031 --> 00:47:49,742
but he was out of there;
we never saw him again.
1102
00:47:49,825 --> 00:47:51,327
[bombastic music]
1103
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:53,287
‐ Sometimes on a case,
1104
00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:55,873
being lucky is better
than being good.
1105
00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:59,668
‐ No Asics, no nothing,
and we still caught that dude,
1106
00:47:59,752 --> 00:48:02,004
of course, he was hammered,
and we were not.
1107
00:48:02,088 --> 00:48:04,298
And we did get the check back.
1108
00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:09,512
♪ ♪
1109
00:48:09,595 --> 00:48:11,722
[engine turns over]
1110
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,643
It worked great.
Amy was phenomenal.
1111
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:20,106
And I'm like, "Man,
undercover is awesome."
1112
00:48:20,189 --> 00:48:22,400
[laughing]
1113
00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:27,446
Turned out it reallytickled our wire up.
1114
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:30,324
Michael Hooverwould be on the phones
1115
00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:31,617
which is great,
because then we were listening
1116
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,910
to that and recording it.
1117
00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:34,703
You know, again,
it got him comfortable.
1118
00:48:34,787 --> 00:48:36,831
It actually worked.
You know, all that works.
1119
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,625
[dramatic music]
1120
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:41,085
♪ ♪
1121
00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:43,379
‐ At that time,I was here in Jacksonville
1122
00:48:43,462 --> 00:48:45,714
in the‐‐what we call wire room.
1123
00:48:45,798 --> 00:48:48,592
We were listening infor what we hoped to be
1124
00:48:48,676 --> 00:48:52,555
a telephone callto this Uncle Jerry.
1125
00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,599
And immediately
there's a phone call
1126
00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:58,811
by Mr. Hoover to Mr. Glomb
down in South Florida.
1127
00:48:58,894 --> 00:49:00,729
♪ ♪
1128
00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:02,898
‐ We were up onthree or four phones.
1129
00:49:02,982 --> 00:49:05,818
One was this guy,Andrew Glomb.
1130
00:49:05,901 --> 00:49:09,905
I mean, Andrew Glomb wasthe guy with a checkered past.
1131
00:49:09,989 --> 00:49:12,283
He had previously convicted
for some drug charges
1132
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:14,577
on the federal side
with the DEA.
1133
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:15,661
♪ ♪
1134
00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:17,496
‐ He had been in a drugtrafficking thing.
1135
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:20,332
He was a fugitive for a while,eventually got arrested,
1136
00:49:20,416 --> 00:49:23,252
and he did some time.
1137
00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:26,755
And so, Mr. Hooverhad called Mr. Glomb.
1138
00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:29,175
‐ Ring, ring.Ring, ring.
1139
00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,886
"Hello?""Yeah, Andy."
1140
00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:33,345
That's Andy Glomb.
1141
00:49:33,429 --> 00:49:36,307
"Andy, they were here.They believed everything.
1142
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:38,934
"Everything I told themabout the winning the ticket
1143
00:49:39,018 --> 00:49:41,103
on that 'People' magazine."
1144
00:49:41,187 --> 00:49:43,939
‐ "And I was telling them,'I did this, and I did that.'"
1145
00:49:44,023 --> 00:49:47,151
And at the very same time,
I'm on my cell phone
1146
00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:49,278
talking to Doug Mathews
1147
00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:51,405
and telling him,"Listen to this."
1148
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,781
♪ ♪
1149
00:49:52,865 --> 00:49:55,451
‐ The feeling from him
on the phone call was,
1150
00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:57,620
"Man, I got them snowed,
they bel‐‐"
1151
00:49:57,703 --> 00:49:58,954
you know, it was that‐‐
it was that‐‐
1152
00:49:59,038 --> 00:50:00,623
I mean, it was perfect.
1153
00:50:00,706 --> 00:50:02,750
It's exactly what you're after.
1154
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,627
He's talking, "Man,you're not gonna believe it.
1155
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:07,630
"This director askedabout the name of my boat
1156
00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,798
and I said,'Ruthless Scoundrel.'"
1157
00:50:09,882 --> 00:50:11,467
And they're just laughing
on the phone,
1158
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:14,929
how much‐‐how funny that was
to them because they knew
1159
00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:18,682
they had lied and had stolen
this money from McDonald's.
1160
00:50:18,766 --> 00:50:22,520
‐ In that call, effectivelywhat he's doing is confirming
1161
00:50:22,603 --> 00:50:26,649
beyond any doubt that,
you know, he didn't win it.
1162
00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:29,485
♪ ♪
1163
00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:31,820
‐ It just doesn't getany better than that.
1164
00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:33,489
It's like high fives.
1165
00:50:33,572 --> 00:50:36,450
‐ That was why you get upon these wiretaps.
1166
00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,410
So we're hearing
how they did it.
1167
00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:41,664
♪ ♪
1168
00:50:41,747 --> 00:50:45,334
At the time, we didn't
know how big this was.
1169
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,753
We knew of some,
but we didn't know it all.
1170
00:50:47,836 --> 00:50:51,882
It was amazing to me
how little we did know.
1171
00:50:51,966 --> 00:50:54,635
[phones ringing]
1172
00:50:54,718 --> 00:51:01,767
♪ ♪
1173
00:51:06,272 --> 00:51:10,067
The spider web of all‐‐
like, we had this Uncle Jerry.
1174
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:12,653
Everything was
very general, nebulous.
1175
00:51:12,736 --> 00:51:15,030
We still didn't know,you got to remember, like,
1176
00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:18,158
we still didn't knowwho this Jerry person was,
1177
00:51:18,242 --> 00:51:19,868
if there even was a Jerry.
1178
00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:23,038
So all of the newer agents,we were on the wiretaps
1179
00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:26,667
to find out more aboutthe depths of this scheme.
1180
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,627
‐ Back then I was a new agent,
1181
00:51:28,711 --> 00:51:31,505
and my first assignment
when I was brought in
1182
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:33,757
was to work the wire.
1183
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:38,178
The Title III has to bemonitored full‐time, 24/7.
1184
00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:39,888
You hear the phone call,you grab your headset,
1185
00:51:39,972 --> 00:51:42,474
you put it on,you listen to the call.
1186
00:51:42,558 --> 00:51:44,268
‐ We're listeningin the wire room
1187
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:46,854
and I'm hearing, you know,the name Uncle Jerry
1188
00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,189
thrown around on the phone.
1189
00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:50,858
"Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry.
1190
00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:54,737
You don't wanna makeUncle Jerry upset."
1191
00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:57,740
‐ Well, I do rememberclearly feeling like
1192
00:51:57,823 --> 00:52:00,534
I was in New York and I waslistening to a mobster
1193
00:52:00,618 --> 00:52:02,911
talking about running
his mafia empire,
1194
00:52:02,995 --> 00:52:06,457
some mafia don, 'cause that's
kind of how this guy came off.
1195
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:08,584
♪ ♪
1196
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,919
‐ So we hadto find Uncle Jerry.
1197
00:52:11,003 --> 00:52:13,130
I mean, how do you do that?
1198
00:52:13,213 --> 00:52:19,053
♪ ♪
1199
00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:21,263
‐ We did an analysis
1200
00:52:21,347 --> 00:52:24,850
of phone recordsfrom past winners.
1201
00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:27,770
You look forthat common number.
1202
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:29,897
‐ We knew when they won
the prizes, what year,
1203
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:33,776
and we could probably cord it
off to a month, so I think‐‐
1204
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:36,612
I think we backed up two
and went forward two.
1205
00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:39,114
♪ ♪
1206
00:52:39,198 --> 00:52:43,118
And we went and pulledthe phone numbers coming in
1207
00:52:43,202 --> 00:52:46,372
and going outfor this period of time.
1208
00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:49,875
♪ ♪
1209
00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:52,461
‐ Lo and behold,
each of their phone numbers
1210
00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:54,630
were calling common numbers.
1211
00:52:54,713 --> 00:52:59,885
‐ We saw the activity
heavy coming in right before
1212
00:52:59,968 --> 00:53:01,970
the prize was awarded
or claimed,
1213
00:53:02,054 --> 00:53:04,556
and then heavy right after it,
and then nothing.
1214
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,183
And then none
of them were related;
1215
00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:08,143
they didn't know each other.
1216
00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:10,813
All were hitting that number.
1217
00:53:10,896 --> 00:53:17,653
♪ ♪
1218
00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:21,657
‐ All these phone callsinclude one person...
1219
00:53:21,740 --> 00:53:23,242
♪ ♪
1220
00:53:23,325 --> 00:53:25,619
Jerome Jacobson.
1221
00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:27,705
Also known as...
1222
00:53:27,788 --> 00:53:29,164
Jerry Jacobson.
1223
00:53:29,248 --> 00:53:33,585
The absolute head of security
for Simon Marketing.
1224
00:53:33,669 --> 00:53:36,922
♪ ♪
1225
00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:39,967
[funky music]
1226
00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:47,099
♪ ♪
1227
00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:29,266
[bright tone]
1228
00:54:31,477 --> 00:54:33,896
There was a wide net
of individuals who were willing
1229
00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,064
to participate
in this fraud scheme.
1230
00:54:36,148 --> 00:54:37,149
♪ (UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1231
00:54:37,232 --> 00:54:40,110
WOMAN:
It got really big, really fast.
1232
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:42,779
There was one
nagging question mark...
1233
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:45,741
Who is Uncle Jerry?
1234
00:54:46,158 --> 00:54:46,992
(CASH REGISTER DINGS)
1235
00:54:47,201 --> 00:54:49,286
We were racking up
incredible evidence
1236
00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,746
and discovering new people.
1237
00:54:51,788 --> 00:54:54,833
We found out that there was
another Jerry involved in this.
1238
00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:57,127
MAN: He took this little,small operation,
1239
00:54:57,211 --> 00:54:58,712
and made it huge.
1240
00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:02,841
As soon as I got that check,
things changed.
1241
00:55:03,884 --> 00:55:06,094
"You gonna ride with us,
and you gonna do what we say.
1242
00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:07,429
And you gonna do it right."
1243
00:55:07,513 --> 00:55:10,849
I'm not a dumb person,
but I did a dumb thing.
1244
00:55:11,183 --> 00:55:13,936
No one can stand in front
of a mirror and say
1245
00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:15,646
they've never done something...
1246
00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,065
that they wishthey could take back.
1247
00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:21,193
I'mma lay all my cards on
the table and tell everything.
1248
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:25,405
MAN 2: We were just buildingthe puzzle from all the pieces.
1249
00:55:25,489 --> 00:55:26,323
(POLICE SIREN BLARES)
1250
00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:28,116
MAN 3: We started findingother middle‐men.
1251
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,578
The money got too big to not
take a bigger piece of that pie.
1252
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
It could've been a possible hit
to get him out of the situation.
1253
00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:37,918
WOMAN 2: A little teardropcame down my face.
1254
00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:40,546
I thought, "I'm never
gonna get out of this."
1255
00:55:41,129 --> 00:55:42,130
(CASH REGISTER DINGS)
1256
00:55:42,214 --> 00:55:43,715
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
102458
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