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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,739 --> 00:00:10,010 ANNOUNCER: Tonight on "Unsolved Mysteries." 2 00:00:10,111 --> 00:00:11,412 ROBERT STACK: Newlywed Judy Smith 3 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:14,548 joined her husband on a business trip to Philadelphia. 4 00:00:14,648 --> 00:00:17,118 Then she vanished without a trace. 5 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:20,388 Some believe she was assaulted and lost her memory. 6 00:00:20,488 --> 00:00:25,559 Others thought she engineered her own disappearance. 7 00:00:25,659 --> 00:00:29,197 A young girl and a 5-month-old infant are abducted. 8 00:00:29,297 --> 00:00:32,700 Now, two grief stricken mothers need your help in finding 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,603 their missing children. 10 00:00:35,703 --> 00:00:37,471 Like the character Dr. Doolittle, 11 00:00:37,571 --> 00:00:40,741 Sonya Fitzpatrick says she can talk to the animals. 12 00:00:40,841 --> 00:00:43,711 Case after case she astounds the skeptics. 13 00:00:43,811 --> 00:00:49,049 Is it a miraculous gift or merely clever showmanship? 14 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:52,253 After an explosion and fire destroyed an Arizona home, 15 00:00:52,353 --> 00:00:54,388 firefighters discovered the murdered bodies 16 00:00:54,488 --> 00:00:58,126 of a woman and her two children in the smoldering ruins, 17 00:00:58,226 --> 00:01:00,994 but the man of the house was nowhere to be found. 18 00:01:01,095 --> 00:01:03,797 Could this seemingly devoted husband and father 19 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:07,101 have been involved in killing his own family? 20 00:01:07,201 --> 00:01:08,736 Join me. 21 00:01:08,836 --> 00:01:11,272 Someone somewhere has the one vital clue 22 00:01:11,372 --> 00:01:13,774 that can help solve a mystery. 23 00:01:13,874 --> 00:01:15,143 Perhaps it's you. 24 00:02:02,823 --> 00:02:07,295 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-- Jeff and Judy Smith 25 00:02:07,395 --> 00:02:11,098 are on vacation, mixing business with pleasure. 26 00:02:11,199 --> 00:02:13,267 Jim has spent the day at a conference. 27 00:02:13,367 --> 00:02:15,469 Judy has been sightseeing. 28 00:02:15,569 --> 00:02:18,806 They have agreed to meet at their hotel at 5:00 PM. 29 00:02:18,906 --> 00:02:20,208 Judy? 30 00:02:20,308 --> 00:02:25,413 JEFF SMITH: So I got back to the hotel room about 5:30, 31 00:02:25,513 --> 00:02:26,580 and she wasn't there. 32 00:02:30,117 --> 00:02:36,056 And by about 6:30, I was starting to get, uh, worried. 33 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:41,028 She was somebody who believed in being absolutely on time. 34 00:02:41,128 --> 00:02:42,430 In fact, if you were on time, you were 35 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:46,667 already late by her standards. 36 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:49,437 ROBERT STACK: Jeff contacts hospitals and the police, 37 00:02:49,537 --> 00:02:52,440 but he turns up nothing. 38 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:55,643 He then searches Philadelphia by taxi. 39 00:02:55,743 --> 00:02:58,879 Driver, I want to follow the route for the flash bus. 40 00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:00,948 ROBERT STACK: He traces a path of the tour bus Judy 41 00:03:01,048 --> 00:03:03,384 had planned to ride that day. 42 00:03:03,484 --> 00:03:06,654 JEFF SMITH: I was fearful that something had happened to her, 43 00:03:06,754 --> 00:03:12,260 but I actually believed that I would be able to find her. 44 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,629 It was mind boggling. 45 00:03:15,729 --> 00:03:17,598 I just couldn't figure out what could have happened to her. 46 00:03:22,803 --> 00:03:25,105 ROBERT STACK: Months went by, but no trace of Judy Smith 47 00:03:25,205 --> 00:03:26,940 was found. 48 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,509 The Philadelphia police were just as 49 00:03:28,609 --> 00:03:30,678 perplexed as her husband. 50 00:03:30,778 --> 00:03:34,415 They could find no evidence she had been murdered or abducted. 51 00:03:34,515 --> 00:03:36,617 Judy's family believes she had an accident 52 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:40,087 and developed amnesia, but some of her closest friends 53 00:03:40,187 --> 00:03:43,257 were convinced she engineered her own disappearance. 54 00:03:51,332 --> 00:03:53,233 AMY HARTFORD: It didn't make sense to me. 55 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:55,403 So I thought that my mom didn't know who she was 56 00:03:55,503 --> 00:03:58,906 and was lost in the city, and, you know, 57 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:00,941 that was horrible to think. 58 00:04:01,041 --> 00:04:04,578 ROBERT STACK: Judy Smith shared a special closeness with Amy, 59 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:08,449 but two divorces had created a void in her life. 60 00:04:08,549 --> 00:04:10,217 She and Jeff were married only five 61 00:04:10,318 --> 00:04:12,753 months before she disappeared. 62 00:04:12,853 --> 00:04:15,188 Independent and strong willed, she 63 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:17,625 was adept at looking out for herself, 64 00:04:17,725 --> 00:04:20,160 yet possessed a generous spirit. 65 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:24,565 JEFF SMITH: Judy was caring, loving, responsible 66 00:04:24,665 --> 00:04:29,770 and someone I loved deeply. 67 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:31,839 She had a way-- and she did this for me. 68 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:34,308 She just, uh, took people into our lives 69 00:04:34,408 --> 00:04:36,109 and somehow made them better just 70 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:39,112 by being who she was because she was a very caring person. 71 00:04:41,849 --> 00:04:45,486 ROBERT STACK: The mystery began at Boston's Logan Airport. 72 00:04:45,586 --> 00:04:49,557 Here, a curious chain of events began to unfold. 73 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:52,526 Judy failed to bring her driver's license. 74 00:04:52,626 --> 00:04:55,195 Airline regulations prohibited her from boarding 75 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,898 her flight without a photo ID. 76 00:04:57,998 --> 00:05:00,734 JEFF SMITH: And she told me to go ahead, 77 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:03,136 and that she would take a later plane, 78 00:05:03,236 --> 00:05:05,439 and come down and meet me. 79 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:11,078 With some reluctance, I agreed to do that. 80 00:05:11,178 --> 00:05:12,446 Thanks, I'll give you a call. 81 00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:14,448 ROBERT STACK: In Philadelphia that day, 82 00:05:14,548 --> 00:05:16,450 Jeff attended his business conference. 83 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:17,751 Hi, hon. 84 00:05:17,851 --> 00:05:20,554 ROBERT STACK: At 10:00 PM, Judy arrived at their hotel. 85 00:05:20,654 --> 00:05:22,956 I, um-- I brought you some flowers as an apology for what 86 00:05:23,056 --> 00:05:23,891 happened in the airport. 87 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:26,326 Oh, you don't have to apologize. 88 00:05:26,427 --> 00:05:27,461 I missed you so much. 89 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:29,663 How was your flight? 90 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:32,666 ROBERT STACK: Sometime after 9 o'clock the next morning, 91 00:05:32,766 --> 00:05:35,536 Judy set out for her day of sightseeing. 92 00:05:35,636 --> 00:05:37,405 As always, she carried her belongings 93 00:05:37,505 --> 00:05:40,107 in her trademark red backpack. 94 00:05:40,207 --> 00:05:42,910 She had told Jeff she planned to visit Independence Hall 95 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,613 and see the Liberty Bell. 96 00:05:45,713 --> 00:05:48,248 Whatever caused Judy to vanish occurred 97 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:51,552 during the next eight hours. 98 00:05:51,652 --> 00:05:55,288 After the Philadelphia police turned up no trace of Judy, 99 00:05:55,389 --> 00:05:58,225 Jeff had no choice but to return to Boston. 100 00:05:58,325 --> 00:06:02,530 From his office, he faxed and mailed 9,000 flyers about Judy 101 00:06:02,630 --> 00:06:04,898 from Maine to Florida. 102 00:06:04,998 --> 00:06:08,168 He also hired three private investigators, 103 00:06:08,268 --> 00:06:10,337 but they uncovered no significant clues. 104 00:06:15,008 --> 00:06:18,211 Five months after Judy vanished, a father and son 105 00:06:18,311 --> 00:06:21,549 were hiking near Asheville, North Carolina. 106 00:06:21,649 --> 00:06:24,852 They found a partially buried skeleton, which animals have 107 00:06:24,952 --> 00:06:28,021 strewn over a 100 yard area. 108 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:30,958 LT. SAM CONSTANCE: Our victim was a white female, probably 109 00:06:31,058 --> 00:06:36,363 in her late 40s to mid 50s, and the pathologist report 110 00:06:36,464 --> 00:06:39,567 indicates that there's puncture wounds 111 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:44,705 and cuts on the bra, which could be consistent with stab wounds. 112 00:06:44,805 --> 00:06:46,640 ROBERT STACK: Jeff's flyers had been circulated 113 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:49,042 throughout the area, so a request was 114 00:06:49,142 --> 00:06:51,378 made for Judy's dental records. 115 00:06:51,479 --> 00:06:54,014 Forensics experts confirmed that the homicide 116 00:06:54,114 --> 00:06:58,051 victim was Judy Smith. 117 00:06:58,151 --> 00:06:59,386 AMY HARTFORD: I was shocked. 118 00:06:59,487 --> 00:07:02,055 I guess you always anticipate that your parent will die, 119 00:07:02,155 --> 00:07:03,924 but not early. 120 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:07,528 We always talked about when I would have kids and-- 121 00:07:07,628 --> 00:07:11,699 and looking forward to that day, and-- and, um, I 122 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:13,767 guess I just never thought that she wouldn't be there for that. 123 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:21,742 The information came that the dental records matched, 124 00:07:21,842 --> 00:07:24,912 and my first reaction was I didn't believe it. 125 00:07:25,012 --> 00:07:27,147 ROBERT STACK: How did Judy Smith end up 700 126 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:29,917 miles from where she vanished? 127 00:07:30,017 --> 00:07:32,219 Four eyewitnesses in Asheville claimed 128 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:35,689 to have encountered Judy just days after she had mysteriously 129 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:40,393 vanished from Philadelphia. - Hi there. 130 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:41,762 Hi. 131 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:44,665 ROBERT STACK: One of them was retail clerk Joanne Stucker. 132 00:07:44,765 --> 00:07:46,299 She seemed very alert to me. 133 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:48,101 She was very pleasant. 134 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:52,673 I didn't see anything about her that would indicate that she 135 00:07:52,773 --> 00:07:54,575 wasn't right in any way. 136 00:07:54,675 --> 00:07:55,809 Where are you from? 137 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:56,744 I'm from Boston. 138 00:07:56,844 --> 00:07:57,745 Oh, I love Boston. 139 00:07:57,845 --> 00:07:59,479 I have a friend living there. - Oh? 140 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:00,380 Judy Casey-- 141 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,281 Casey, that's it. 142 00:08:01,381 --> 00:08:02,349 Really? 143 00:08:02,449 --> 00:08:04,518 My name's Judy, too. 144 00:08:04,618 --> 00:08:06,587 She told me her husband was an attorney, 145 00:08:06,687 --> 00:08:09,189 and that they were from Boston, and that they 146 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:12,660 had been in Pennsylvania. 147 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,663 And he was at a convention, and she 148 00:08:15,763 --> 00:08:18,165 had decided to come down here. 149 00:08:18,265 --> 00:08:19,933 ROBERT STACK: If Judy left Philadelphia 150 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:24,337 of her own free will, a question loomed-- 151 00:08:24,437 --> 00:08:25,706 why? 152 00:08:25,806 --> 00:08:28,275 CAROLYN DICKEY: At the time this happened, Jeff and Judy's 153 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:31,178 marriage was very tenuous. 154 00:08:31,278 --> 00:08:32,846 I believe that something did happen 155 00:08:32,946 --> 00:08:35,683 in Boston that triggered her to want to have 156 00:08:35,783 --> 00:08:37,517 some time away from Jeff. 157 00:08:37,618 --> 00:08:39,286 I don't believe that she would have shown up 158 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:41,722 at the airport without her driver's license 159 00:08:41,822 --> 00:08:45,425 if she hadn't decided that that was a way for her to kind 160 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:49,029 of gracefully let Jeff head towards Philadelphia 161 00:08:49,129 --> 00:08:51,064 and give her some time. 162 00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:54,568 And I think then she maybe did show up at the hotel, 163 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:59,907 brought him flowers to placate him, and then made her move. 164 00:09:00,007 --> 00:09:03,376 JEFF SMITH: I'm not going to try to suggest that she and I never 165 00:09:03,476 --> 00:09:06,847 had a disagreement, but I believe 166 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:09,516 she was happy with her life at this point. 167 00:09:09,617 --> 00:09:11,218 AMY HARTFORD: She loved Jeff, and you don't-- 168 00:09:11,318 --> 00:09:13,186 you don't do that to someone that you love, 169 00:09:13,286 --> 00:09:18,325 and if she did leave, the only thing I could think 170 00:09:18,425 --> 00:09:19,693 is maybe she-- 171 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:22,362 something happened to her before she had time to call. 172 00:09:22,462 --> 00:09:24,865 ROBERT STACK: What scenario resulted in Judy's murder 173 00:09:24,965 --> 00:09:28,268 in an isolated area of North Carolina? 174 00:09:28,368 --> 00:09:31,238 Who stabbed her and left her in a shallow grave? 175 00:09:34,608 --> 00:09:36,910 Was it a stranger or someone she may have 176 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:39,847 schemed to meet in Asheville? 177 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:45,185 If you're looking for the, uh, mystery man, there wasn't one. 178 00:09:45,285 --> 00:09:46,286 Is it this way? 179 00:09:46,386 --> 00:09:47,688 CAROLYN DICKEY: Judy was the type of person 180 00:09:47,788 --> 00:09:50,557 that could have easily bumped into another person 181 00:09:50,658 --> 00:09:52,459 and spent some time with them. 182 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,328 Everybody was a good person to Judy, 183 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:57,698 and I think that was what made her vulnerable to whatever 184 00:09:57,798 --> 00:09:58,598 happened to her. 185 00:10:04,071 --> 00:10:08,241 It doesn't make sense that my mom would leave Philadelphia. 186 00:10:08,341 --> 00:10:11,779 It doesn't make sense that she would be found in Asheville. 187 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:15,783 It doesn't make sense that someone would hurt her. 188 00:10:15,883 --> 00:10:16,917 ROBERT STACK: Investigators trying 189 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:19,787 to understand what happened found two clues 190 00:10:19,887 --> 00:10:21,488 to who may have murdered her. 191 00:10:21,588 --> 00:10:22,956 LT. SAM CONSTANCE: We found a blue and black 192 00:10:23,056 --> 00:10:24,925 backpack at the crime scene. 193 00:10:25,025 --> 00:10:26,694 I believe that the backpack that was left 194 00:10:26,794 --> 00:10:28,361 doesn't belong to Judy Smith. 195 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:31,498 I believe that it potentially belongs to our suspect. 196 00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:34,134 There was a pair of sunglasses there. 197 00:10:34,234 --> 00:10:37,337 These particular glasses were manufactured by Bolle. 198 00:10:37,437 --> 00:10:40,473 They retail for somewhere around $110, 199 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:42,342 and speaking with Judy's friends, 200 00:10:42,442 --> 00:10:45,445 Judith wouldn't have spent $110 for a pair of glasses. 201 00:10:45,545 --> 00:10:48,982 We believe that these glasses did not belong to Judith 202 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:52,319 and that they potentially belonged to our suspect. 203 00:10:52,419 --> 00:10:54,054 ROBERT STACK: North Carolina investigators 204 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:59,492 still have no clue why Judy Smith was killed. 205 00:10:59,592 --> 00:11:02,095 Lieutenant Sam Constance does say, however, that they have 206 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:04,798 ruled out robbery as a motive. 207 00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:06,834 Found at the crime scene was Judy's diamond 208 00:11:06,934 --> 00:11:10,070 wedding ring and $167 in cash. 209 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:19,713 You having fun? 210 00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:20,613 Yeah. 211 00:11:20,714 --> 00:11:22,182 - Yeah [inaudible]. - Yeah. 212 00:11:22,282 --> 00:11:23,150 Good. 213 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:24,952 ROBERT STACK: On the night of July 9, 214 00:11:25,052 --> 00:11:26,987 Colleen Nick took her six-year-old daughter 215 00:11:27,087 --> 00:11:28,756 Morgan to a Little League baseball 216 00:11:28,856 --> 00:11:31,458 game in Alma, Arkansas. 217 00:11:31,558 --> 00:11:34,995 It was an evening of shared joy between mother and child 218 00:11:35,095 --> 00:11:39,166 with no hint of the nightmare about to unfold. 219 00:11:39,266 --> 00:11:40,533 COLLEEN NICK: We'd made the choice to go, 220 00:11:40,633 --> 00:11:43,336 just Morgan and I, just to have girls night out. 221 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:45,572 And it was such a-- 222 00:11:45,672 --> 00:11:48,809 a warm, close, fun night. 223 00:11:48,909 --> 00:11:50,677 Hey, want to come with us to catch some fireflies? 224 00:11:50,778 --> 00:11:52,112 Well, I don't know if my mom will let me. 225 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:53,881 ROBERT STACK: Throughout the evening, 226 00:11:53,981 --> 00:11:57,317 two local girls asked Morgan to come play with them. 227 00:11:57,417 --> 00:12:01,021 Mom, can me and my friends go catch fireflies? 228 00:12:01,121 --> 00:12:02,122 Oh, I don't think so, honey. 229 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:03,023 Please. 230 00:12:03,123 --> 00:12:03,957 Please. 231 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:05,158 Oh, Colleen, they should be fine. 232 00:12:05,258 --> 00:12:06,093 Are you sure it's safe? 233 00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:07,327 Sure, yeah. 234 00:12:07,427 --> 00:12:09,229 COLLEEN NICK: Finally, against my better judgment, 235 00:12:09,329 --> 00:12:11,398 I told her that she could go and play. 236 00:12:11,498 --> 00:12:13,867 And she threw her arms around my neck, gave me a big hug. 237 00:12:13,967 --> 00:12:14,835 Thank you, mom. 238 00:12:14,935 --> 00:12:17,104 All right, stay where I can see you. 239 00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:19,973 [inaudible]. 240 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,875 COLLEEN NICK: We could see them very clearly, 241 00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:23,610 and the last time that I turned to look, 242 00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:25,512 Morgan was running back and forth playing. 243 00:12:29,883 --> 00:12:32,019 ROBERT STACK: But when the baseball game ended, 244 00:12:32,119 --> 00:12:35,555 the two girls returned to the field without Morgan. 245 00:12:35,655 --> 00:12:36,456 Girls, girls! 246 00:12:36,556 --> 00:12:37,357 Wait, wait. 247 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:38,491 Where's Morgan? 248 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:40,027 By a car getting the sand out of her shoe. 249 00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:40,928 Which car? 250 00:12:41,028 --> 00:12:43,030 I don't know-- yours, I guess. 251 00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:45,032 I'll be right back. 252 00:12:45,132 --> 00:12:46,800 COLLEEN NICK: She was supposed to be dumping sand out 253 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:48,301 of her shoes by my car, but I could 254 00:12:48,401 --> 00:12:50,670 see my car from where I was standing, and she wasn't there. 255 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:51,671 Morgan! 256 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,174 Morgan! 257 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:55,708 COLLEEN NICK: I went over to the car, 258 00:12:55,809 --> 00:12:58,078 looked around the outside of the car, opened the doors 259 00:12:58,178 --> 00:13:00,313 and looked inside the car thinking she had gotten in. 260 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:03,884 Even at one point looked under the car, just thinking she 261 00:13:03,984 --> 00:13:05,518 has to be here somewhere. 262 00:13:10,223 --> 00:13:12,893 And within a couple of minutes, all of the people 263 00:13:12,993 --> 00:13:14,962 and most of the cars were gone, and it was very 264 00:13:15,062 --> 00:13:16,496 clear that Morgan wasn't there. 265 00:13:16,596 --> 00:13:17,630 Well, she's got to be close by-- 266 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:19,266 ROBERT STACK: As the parking lot emptied, 267 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:20,700 panic began to overwhelm Colleen. 268 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:21,701 Calm down. 269 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:22,769 Where was the last place you saw her? 270 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:23,770 ROBERT STACK: One of the baseball coaches 271 00:13:23,871 --> 00:13:26,439 arrived and questioned the two girls. 272 00:13:26,539 --> 00:13:27,740 Girls, look at me. 273 00:13:27,841 --> 00:13:29,977 When you were in the field, were you there alone? 274 00:13:30,077 --> 00:13:31,178 ROBERT STACK: They remembered seeing 275 00:13:31,278 --> 00:13:33,280 a man who they described as creepy 276 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:34,948 talking to Morgan in the field. 277 00:13:35,048 --> 00:13:36,049 I'm going to go call 911. 278 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:36,950 Thank you. 279 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:38,852 Morgan! 280 00:13:38,952 --> 00:13:40,553 COLLEEN NICK: One of the coaches had a cell phone 281 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:44,124 and made the initial 911 call to law enforcement. 282 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:46,826 They arrived within six minutes and began 283 00:13:46,927 --> 00:13:50,797 an immediate and massive search for Morgan that night. 284 00:13:50,898 --> 00:13:51,999 ROBERT STACK: But the initial search 285 00:13:52,099 --> 00:13:54,267 failed to find Morgan Nick. 286 00:13:54,367 --> 00:13:57,404 The media was alerted, and flyers were posted. 287 00:13:57,504 --> 00:14:00,673 Weeks stretched into months and finally years 288 00:14:00,773 --> 00:14:04,844 with no sign of the blonde haired little girl. 289 00:14:04,945 --> 00:14:07,147 It's the worst terror that any parent can ever feel. 290 00:14:07,247 --> 00:14:11,518 There's such, um, a sense of it-- it not being real somehow. 291 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:13,786 It does not seem possible that your child 292 00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:17,557 could be missing, that someone could have taken your child. 293 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:19,626 For five long years, Colleen Nick has searched 294 00:14:19,726 --> 00:14:21,794 for her daughter, Morgan. 295 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:23,696 Faced with the same circumstances, 296 00:14:23,796 --> 00:14:25,999 many of us would have given up hope-- 297 00:14:26,099 --> 00:14:27,700 not Colleen. 298 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,869 In fact, Colleen's personal tragedy has led 299 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:32,672 to a remarkable transformation. 300 00:14:32,772 --> 00:14:35,108 The once shy mother has become a leading activist 301 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:38,878 for missing children all across the country. 302 00:14:38,979 --> 00:14:41,381 In the months following Morgan's disappearance, 303 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:43,416 Colleen successfully lobbied the media 304 00:14:43,516 --> 00:14:47,287 to turn Morgan's disappearance into a national news story. 305 00:14:47,387 --> 00:14:49,289 It was then that Colleen discovered 306 00:14:49,389 --> 00:14:52,859 she was not alone in her grief. 307 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,662 We began to get calls from other parents who had heard 308 00:14:55,762 --> 00:14:58,331 about Morgan whose child was now missing wanting 309 00:14:58,431 --> 00:15:00,300 to know what they could do. 310 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,368 You know, where do they turn? 311 00:15:01,468 --> 00:15:03,236 What resources were available. 312 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:05,272 And from that, we began to get involved 313 00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:08,508 in, um, the bigger picture of children being missing. 314 00:15:08,608 --> 00:15:09,409 Yes, yes. 315 00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:10,410 Come down. 316 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:12,545 We really need your help. 317 00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:14,747 ROBERT STACK: One year after her daughter's abduction, 318 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:17,951 Colleen established the Morgan Nick Foundation, 319 00:15:18,051 --> 00:15:20,820 a nonprofit organization dedicated to assisting 320 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,057 families with missing children. 321 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:26,059 The foundation has been instrumental in bringing 322 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:27,727 several children safely home. 323 00:15:27,827 --> 00:15:30,197 --and the older cases in the bottom drawer. 324 00:15:30,297 --> 00:15:31,398 ROBERT STACK: Recently, Colleen Nick 325 00:15:31,498 --> 00:15:33,433 has become involved in the search for a missing 326 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:37,037 5-month-old girl in Arizona. 327 00:15:37,137 --> 00:15:40,440 Jacqueline Castaneda disappeared on May 6. 328 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:43,210 Her mother, 19-year-old Olivia Castaneda, 329 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:46,213 hopes that Colleen and the Morgan Nick Foundation 330 00:15:46,313 --> 00:15:49,316 can help find her baby daughter. 331 00:15:49,416 --> 00:15:51,051 Here we are. 332 00:15:51,151 --> 00:15:53,253 ROBERT STACK: Olivia was last with her daughter at a swap 333 00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:55,122 meet outside of Phoenix, Arizona. 334 00:15:55,222 --> 00:15:56,589 Meet me in the middle by the food? 335 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:58,958 Yeah, [inaudible]. 336 00:15:59,059 --> 00:15:59,859 Bye. 337 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:01,728 Bye. 338 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:03,096 [inaudible]. 339 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:04,164 Hold mommy's hand. 340 00:16:04,264 --> 00:16:05,065 Bye. 341 00:16:05,165 --> 00:16:06,833 Bye bye. 342 00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:08,135 OLIVIA CASTANEDA: My husband dropped me 343 00:16:08,235 --> 00:16:12,239 off there with my two babies-- 344 00:16:12,339 --> 00:16:14,241 Nayeli, my two-year-old, and Jacqueline, 345 00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:16,109 my 4-month-old baby. 346 00:16:16,209 --> 00:16:22,082 I took Jacqueline out of the car with her car seat, and Nayeli, 347 00:16:22,182 --> 00:16:24,651 I took her walking. 348 00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:26,753 ROBERT STACK: Before meeting her mother inside, 349 00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:29,756 Olivia needed to use the restroom. 350 00:16:29,856 --> 00:16:32,592 She finally found a portable bathroom. 351 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:35,128 Faced with its cramped and dirty quarters, 352 00:16:35,228 --> 00:16:37,164 Olivia made a split second decision 353 00:16:37,264 --> 00:16:39,699 that would lead to tragedy. 354 00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:41,401 Baby, it's only gonna be for a minute, OK? 355 00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:42,935 Jacqueline couldn't fit inside, 356 00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:45,272 so I just took my two-year-old, Nayeli, 357 00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,407 inside the restroom because she could've walked 358 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:50,610 away if I left her outside. 359 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:52,579 I was in the restroom like for a minute. 360 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:53,646 Jacqueline? 361 00:16:53,746 --> 00:16:54,281 OLIVIA CASTANEDA: When I came out-- 362 00:16:54,381 --> 00:16:55,548 Jacqueline? 363 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:56,883 OLIVIA CASTANEDA: --Jacqueline wasn't there anymore. 364 00:16:56,983 --> 00:16:58,051 Jacqueline? 365 00:16:58,151 --> 00:16:59,919 Jacqueline? 366 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,821 Jacqueline? 367 00:17:01,921 --> 00:17:04,257 ROBERT STACK: Hoping that her mother had taken the child, 368 00:17:04,357 --> 00:17:06,126 Olivia rushed into the swap meet. 369 00:17:06,226 --> 00:17:08,695 Jacqueline! 370 00:17:08,795 --> 00:17:10,497 OLIVIA CASTANEDA: And I felt that my heart was beating 371 00:17:10,597 --> 00:17:12,165 like-- 372 00:17:12,265 --> 00:17:13,933 like really fast. 373 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:14,834 I was really scared. 374 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:15,735 Mom! 375 00:17:15,835 --> 00:17:17,070 Mom, do you have Jacqueline! 376 00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:18,071 Do you have the baby? 377 00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:19,539 Oh my god, I lost the baby. 378 00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:21,274 We got to go find her. 379 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:24,444 OLIVIA CASTANEDA: But I felt more upset and more nervous 380 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,646 when I saw my mom-- that she was by herself. 381 00:17:26,746 --> 00:17:28,881 She didn't have the baby, and that's 382 00:17:28,981 --> 00:17:33,153 when I thought I was gonna die. 383 00:17:33,253 --> 00:17:35,155 I just didn't know what to do. 384 00:17:35,255 --> 00:17:36,123 My baby is missing! 385 00:17:36,223 --> 00:17:37,424 Have any of you guys seen my baby? 386 00:17:37,524 --> 00:17:38,591 ROBERT STACK: Olivia and her mother 387 00:17:38,691 --> 00:17:40,960 went from booth to booth, asking anybody 388 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,029 if they had seen Jacqueline. 389 00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:45,898 After 20 horrifying minutes, the police were called. 390 00:17:45,998 --> 00:17:46,833 Call 911. 391 00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:50,203 My baby is missing! 392 00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:52,305 ROBERT STACK: Avondale, Arizona police officers 393 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:54,407 immediately sealed off the swamp meet 394 00:17:54,507 --> 00:17:57,177 and began an extensive search. 395 00:17:57,277 --> 00:17:59,479 There was an officer stationed at all the exits 396 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,748 and along the fence line. 397 00:18:01,848 --> 00:18:03,350 And as cars were leaving, we would 398 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:05,185 check vehicles as they left. 399 00:18:05,285 --> 00:18:08,288 As people were leaving the side exits through the gates, 400 00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:09,689 we would go ahead and check them, 401 00:18:09,789 --> 00:18:13,426 make sure they weren't carrying anything or had a car carrier. 402 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,928 ROBERT STACK: Jacqueline was not found. 403 00:18:16,028 --> 00:18:17,997 What time did you hear about this baby missing? 404 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,232 ROBERT STACK: One of the swap meet 405 00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:22,001 vendors, however, did notice a woman who she felt 406 00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:24,036 was acting suspiciously. 407 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:26,173 Yeah, this really creepy woman came up to my booth, 408 00:18:26,273 --> 00:18:27,407 and I had my baby in the car seat, 409 00:18:27,507 --> 00:18:28,375 and she started touching her. 410 00:18:28,475 --> 00:18:31,211 So I went over to talk to her. 411 00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:33,746 SGT. MARK LUCAS: What she related to us was that there 412 00:18:33,846 --> 00:18:36,749 was a suspicious woman that actually walked up 413 00:18:36,849 --> 00:18:40,253 to her infant and caressed her infant's face and said, 414 00:18:40,353 --> 00:18:42,054 what a beautiful baby. 415 00:18:42,155 --> 00:18:44,657 Um, this made her feel uneasy, and this 416 00:18:44,757 --> 00:18:48,528 caused her to pay attention to this particular woman. 417 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:49,662 ROBERT STACK: But authorities were 418 00:18:49,762 --> 00:18:51,464 unable to find anyone who matched 419 00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:52,632 the vendor's description. 420 00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:55,001 Big, big black hair. 421 00:18:55,101 --> 00:18:57,604 Hi, this is Colleen Nick from the Morgan Nick Foundation. 422 00:18:57,704 --> 00:19:00,273 ROBERT STACK: Colleen Nick was informed by a national missing 423 00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:02,475 children's agency that a baby girl 424 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:05,512 had been abducted in Arizona. 425 00:19:05,612 --> 00:19:06,913 Yeah, hold on a second. 426 00:19:07,013 --> 00:19:09,682 ROBERT STACK: The Morgan Nick Foundation sprang into action. 427 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:12,252 We're able to do, um, posters. 428 00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:15,688 We're able to email Jacqueline's information out to people who 429 00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:17,257 might not otherwise get it and then 430 00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:20,126 to also counsel her family over the phone 431 00:19:20,227 --> 00:19:21,661 if they would like to talk to us. 432 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:22,562 COLLEEN NICK: Hi. 433 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:23,996 Hi. 434 00:19:24,096 --> 00:19:25,532 ROBERT STACK: On June 25, Colleen Nick 435 00:19:25,632 --> 00:19:27,400 traveled to Avondale, Arizona to meet 436 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:31,638 Olivia Castaneda for the first time and console her in person. 437 00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:34,307 I just want to ask you how you're doing. 438 00:19:34,407 --> 00:19:37,977 I just wish that it could be the day that they call and say 439 00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:40,813 that they found her. 440 00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:42,749 ROBERT STACK: Olivia, who blames herself for her child's 441 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,051 abduction, is comforted to know that she 442 00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:46,653 is not alone in her suffering. 443 00:19:46,753 --> 00:19:47,554 Call me. 444 00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:50,223 Call me collect, OK? 445 00:19:50,323 --> 00:19:52,191 OLIVIA CASTANEDA: She had her daughter stolen, 446 00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:55,662 too, and she knows what you're feeling, and it's-- 447 00:19:55,762 --> 00:19:58,465 it's, um, nice to talk to someone that knows 448 00:19:58,565 --> 00:20:00,800 what you're going through. 449 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:04,671 But it wasn't your fault. Is that OK? 450 00:20:09,609 --> 00:20:11,711 COLLEEN NICK: I find that's the greatest need that a family 451 00:20:11,811 --> 00:20:14,547 has-- just to be able to look someone in the eye 452 00:20:14,647 --> 00:20:17,550 and to know that there are other people who haven't given up 453 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:21,020 hope, to know that you're going to survive this, 454 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,722 that you're going to come through this, 455 00:20:22,822 --> 00:20:25,057 and that hopefully your child is going to come home. 456 00:20:25,157 --> 00:20:29,396 And I think that is what I try to bring to families the most-- 457 00:20:29,496 --> 00:20:33,065 is that hope and that reassurance. 458 00:20:33,165 --> 00:20:35,602 ROBERT STACK: Assisted by the Morgan Nick Foundation, 459 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:39,005 police continue to search for Jacqueline Castaneda. 460 00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:41,173 She is now five months old and has 461 00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:43,943 a unique heart shaped birthmark on her upper right arm. 462 00:20:48,214 --> 00:20:51,183 The selfless work Colleen Nick performs on behalf of families 463 00:20:51,284 --> 00:20:55,455 with missing children has not detracted from her primary goal 464 00:20:55,555 --> 00:20:59,559 to find her own daughter, Morgan. 465 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:01,594 But someday I believe that I will look my daughter 466 00:21:01,694 --> 00:21:03,195 in the eye and say, I fought for you 467 00:21:03,296 --> 00:21:04,797 every day as hard as I could, and that 468 00:21:04,897 --> 00:21:06,899 is why you're home today. 469 00:21:06,999 --> 00:21:08,134 I believe, and I-- 470 00:21:08,234 --> 00:21:11,003 I hope every single day that I get up that today is 471 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:12,872 the day that Morgan comes home. 472 00:21:12,972 --> 00:21:15,207 And every night when I go to bed and she's not back yet, 473 00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:17,710 I know that I'm one day closer to getting her back. 474 00:21:38,898 --> 00:21:42,234 Sonya, this is Reckless and Easy. 475 00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:45,137 ROBERT STACK: Racehorse trainer Mary Clark is worried. 476 00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:49,075 Her promising filly, Reckless, has been behaving erratically. 477 00:21:49,175 --> 00:21:52,379 Three different vets have been unable to determine why. 478 00:21:52,479 --> 00:21:56,282 Desperate, she turns to Sonya Fitzpatrick of Houston, Texas. 479 00:21:56,383 --> 00:21:58,951 Like the classic character Dr. Doolittle, 480 00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:01,854 Sonya says she can communicate with animals. 481 00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,690 OK, Mary. 482 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:07,627 I can tell you this horse is in terrible pain all down 483 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:10,463 the left side of the face. 484 00:22:10,563 --> 00:22:13,633 And I don't know she stood this pain. 485 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,636 MARY CLARK: Sonya immediately showed concern for the mare. 486 00:22:16,736 --> 00:22:19,572 She said this horse is in tremendous pain, 487 00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,408 and it's on the left side of her nostril 488 00:22:21,508 --> 00:22:24,310 or somewhere on the left side. 489 00:22:24,411 --> 00:22:26,345 ROBERT STACK: Pain was a plausible explanation 490 00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:28,381 for Reckless's mysterious conduct 491 00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:30,417 over the past several months. 492 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:33,553 Unknown to Sonya, Reckless have been rearing back 493 00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:35,555 violently before all her races. 494 00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:38,057 MAN: Reckless and Easy acting up in the starting gate. 495 00:22:38,157 --> 00:22:40,126 ROBERT STACK: Even worse, she sometimes 496 00:22:40,226 --> 00:22:42,228 flipped over backwards, putting herself 497 00:22:42,328 --> 00:22:45,264 and her jockey in peril. 498 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,034 And now she's telling me she's flipping to try 499 00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:49,502 and get away from the pain. 500 00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,504 MARY CLARK: When I heard the words flip, 501 00:22:51,604 --> 00:22:55,442 I was astonished, because I hadn't discussed the flipping, 502 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:59,211 and my heart was broken because that meant 503 00:22:59,311 --> 00:23:02,314 that this mare had been flipping in these races 504 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:03,783 because of excruciating pain. 505 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:08,120 No, it's not a tooth. 506 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,189 It's something-- I'm feeling that there's 507 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:12,058 something stuck in here. 508 00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:13,125 SONYA FITZPATRICK: I said to Mary 509 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,828 you really need to have this left side 510 00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:20,299 x-rayed, because I feel there's something stuck in there. 511 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,869 ROBERT STACK: At Texas A&M University, 512 00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:25,638 veterinarians take x-rays of Reckless, 513 00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:28,775 focusing on the area specified by Sonya. 514 00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:31,110 Amazingly, the x-rays confirmed there 515 00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:33,412 was a mysterious foreign object embedded 516 00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:35,381 inside Reckless's head. 517 00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:39,919 Next, a veterinary surgeon attempts to remove it. 518 00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,288 You are not going to believe what we found. 519 00:23:42,388 --> 00:23:44,090 MARY CLARK: And he opened his hand, and he said, 520 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:46,626 this is what we found in the mare's jawline. 521 00:23:46,726 --> 00:23:48,995 ROBERT STACK: The object is a metal fragment that has broken 522 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:50,963 off from the horse's halter. 523 00:23:51,063 --> 00:23:52,865 Oh my gosh. 524 00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:55,101 MARY CLARK: It was a pretty horrifying thing to look at. 525 00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:56,636 He said this would have been the most painful 526 00:23:56,736 --> 00:23:58,370 thing I can ever imagine. 527 00:23:58,471 --> 00:24:02,141 ROBERT STACK: Reckless recovers fully following the surgery. 528 00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:06,178 She is now retired from racing, completely free from pain. 529 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,848 MARY CLARK: Sonya truly talks to these horses. 530 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:11,183 They are giving her conversation. 531 00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:14,687 They are sharing with her their feelings, their wants, 532 00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:16,322 and their desires. 533 00:24:16,422 --> 00:24:18,525 It's an amazing gift. 534 00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:19,992 SONYA FITZPATRICK: Animals love to talk, 535 00:24:20,092 --> 00:24:21,327 and they love it when you answer them. 536 00:24:21,427 --> 00:24:24,363 The first time they have someone that answers them they 537 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,033 are so pleased, and it's like, oh, 538 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:28,935 she really can talk our language. 539 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:33,640 Can Sonya Fitzpatrick truly speak 540 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:36,275 telepathically with animals, or is 541 00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:39,378 she merely a talented showman? 542 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:42,114 5,000 animal lovers who paid for her services 543 00:24:42,214 --> 00:24:44,917 are convinced her gifts are genuine. 544 00:24:45,017 --> 00:24:47,587 Skeptics say she's doing nothing more than picking up 545 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:50,757 on the body language of pets or inadvertent cues 546 00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:52,759 from their owners. 547 00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:55,094 We'll put Sonya to the test before our "Unsolved 548 00:24:55,194 --> 00:25:00,199 Mysteries" cameras and allow you to judge for yourself. 549 00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:02,034 [inaudible] come on. 550 00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:03,435 Let's eat. 551 00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:05,404 ROBERT STACK: Debbie Oliver was among those who did not believe 552 00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:07,506 in Sonya's professed power. 553 00:25:07,607 --> 00:25:10,276 Debbie operates a dog kennel in Houston, Texas 554 00:25:10,376 --> 00:25:13,580 and is no stranger to animal behavior. 555 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,914 DEBBIE OLIVER: I thought, you know, 556 00:25:15,014 --> 00:25:17,216 she probably just kind of looks at their body language, 557 00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:18,585 and she can tell what they're thinking. 558 00:25:18,685 --> 00:25:19,852 Well, I can do that. 559 00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:22,221 So then we thought this is the stupidest 560 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:23,623 thing I have ever heard of. 561 00:25:23,723 --> 00:25:26,793 ROBERT STACK: Despite her disbelief, Debbie was curious, 562 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:30,262 so she and her husband, Duane, scheduled a session with Sonya 563 00:25:30,362 --> 00:25:31,731 to see for themselves. 564 00:25:31,831 --> 00:25:32,999 SONYA FITZPATRICK: And what's the name 565 00:25:33,099 --> 00:25:35,067 this beautiful dog, Debbie? 566 00:25:35,167 --> 00:25:36,535 DEBBIE OLIVER: Zack is our golden retriever. 567 00:25:36,636 --> 00:25:37,704 ROBERT STACK: One of the ways Sonya 568 00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:39,371 claims to communicate with animals 569 00:25:39,471 --> 00:25:41,540 is by inspecting a photograph. 570 00:25:41,641 --> 00:25:44,877 This method, she says, is just as accurate as interacting 571 00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,545 directly with the animal. 572 00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:48,147 DUANE OLIVER: I thought this was just 573 00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:49,816 basically a waste of money. 574 00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:51,584 It's one of the reasons I went-- is-- is I 575 00:25:51,684 --> 00:25:55,521 just didn't want my wife to waste any more money on it. 576 00:25:55,622 --> 00:25:59,792 I told Debbie to make sure that she didn't tip Sonya off, 577 00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,327 and she didn't. 578 00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,696 SONYA FITZPATRICK: Well, Zack is telling me you've moved house, 579 00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:08,067 and since he moved house, he hasn't had any ice cubes. 580 00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:09,301 That's true. 581 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,237 DUANE OLIVER: When Sonya talked about the ice cubes, 582 00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:14,607 that got my attention right away. 583 00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:17,476 We thought, that's a really specific item. 584 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,111 How in the world did she know that? 585 00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:22,048 And he is sending me a picture of little balls, 586 00:26:22,148 --> 00:26:25,852 blue balls, other dogs playing with all these blue balls. 587 00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:27,286 DUANE OLIVER: The more the session went on, 588 00:26:27,386 --> 00:26:30,657 the more amazed I became on-- on what was happening there. 589 00:26:30,757 --> 00:26:32,625 SONYA FITZPATRICK: And who is this little dog here? 590 00:26:32,725 --> 00:26:33,826 She's just coming in. 591 00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:34,761 What's her name? 592 00:26:34,861 --> 00:26:36,428 DEBBIE OLIVER: That's Miss Daisy. 593 00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:38,731 SONYA FITZPATRICK: Miss Daisy wants to know, 594 00:26:38,831 --> 00:26:41,533 where is that pink thing? 595 00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,871 Something with her ears that goes on her head and something 596 00:26:44,971 --> 00:26:46,305 matching that goes here-- 597 00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:47,406 pink. 598 00:26:47,506 --> 00:26:48,775 DEBBIE OLIVER: And I went, my gosh, I just 599 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:51,377 went to a flea market a couple of weeks ago, 600 00:26:51,477 --> 00:26:54,146 and I got her this little hat that I have to pull her ears 601 00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,515 through, because she's got long floppy ears, 602 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,918 and a pink bandanna that matches it. 603 00:26:59,018 --> 00:27:01,353 Well, she'd like to wear it more often, mum, please, 604 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:04,190 and can you put that on her when she goes home? 605 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,292 Very polite, your dogs. 606 00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:07,626 DEBBIE OLIVER: There's just no way 607 00:27:07,727 --> 00:27:10,396 she could have known that unless she had a detective living 608 00:27:10,496 --> 00:27:12,298 with us or had cameras here. 609 00:27:12,398 --> 00:27:14,701 So that's kind of when we started thinking 610 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:16,703 this is pretty amazing. 611 00:27:16,803 --> 00:27:19,438 Somehow she really is talking to these animals. 612 00:27:22,074 --> 00:27:23,642 ROBERT STACK: Sonya says her rare ability 613 00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:25,577 developed in childhood. 614 00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:27,579 It came about, she claims, because she 615 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,117 suffered a significant hearing loss that persists to this day. 616 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:32,484 SONYA FITZPATRICK: Having a hearing loss, 617 00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:35,587 my sense is heightened, and animal senses 618 00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:39,158 are very heightened, so I think that is 619 00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:41,928 why I was able to speak to animals-- because I 620 00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:44,030 drew on my other senses. 621 00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:46,198 ROBERT STACK: If Sonya's gift is genuine, 622 00:27:46,298 --> 00:27:48,701 can science account for it? 623 00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:52,238 Jessica Utts is a professor of statistics at UC Davis. 624 00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:55,274 Her statistical evaluations of psychic phenomena 625 00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:58,277 indicate it may be valid. 626 00:27:58,377 --> 00:28:00,646 One possible explanation for what Sonya's doing 627 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:05,752 is that we and animals, as well, have some sort of sense that we 628 00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:08,520 used to rely on before we had language, 629 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:11,657 and that that sense is still quite vital in animals 630 00:28:11,758 --> 00:28:13,325 because they don't have language, 631 00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:18,630 and that Sonya is somehow able to pick up on that information. 632 00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,632 SONYA FITZPATRICK: Animals speak in pictures. 633 00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:23,135 So if I was to say to you, could you 634 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:27,206 tell me where Buckingham Palace is or the Statue of Liberty? 635 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:28,875 You'd form a picture in your mind. 636 00:28:28,975 --> 00:28:31,778 You'd visualize it, and that picture is going out 637 00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:34,680 into your energy fields, and the animals see those pictures 638 00:28:34,781 --> 00:28:36,916 and receive them from wherever you are. 639 00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:38,885 I think the more likely explanations here 640 00:28:38,985 --> 00:28:41,854 are that she's reading the body language of the owners 641 00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:44,023 or the body language of the animals. 642 00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,658 It is probably also the case that we occasionally 643 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,628 hear a spectacular story where she gets information 644 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:52,331 that no one could possibly know, but what we don't know 645 00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:54,433 is how many times there were other stories 646 00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:55,968 that turned out not to be true. 647 00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:57,136 Hello, Sonya. 648 00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:58,470 Nice to meet you. 649 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,439 ROBERT STACK: We asked Sonya to visit pets and owners she 650 00:29:00,539 --> 00:29:02,909 had never met before in front of our "Unsolved 651 00:29:03,009 --> 00:29:04,576 Mysteries" cameras. 652 00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:06,946 We selected them independently. 653 00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,681 Sonya had no prior knowledge of their background. 654 00:29:09,782 --> 00:29:11,017 What's this one's name? 655 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:12,885 QUENTIN NEUBER: That's Minnie. SONYA FITZPATRICK: Minnie? 656 00:29:12,985 --> 00:29:14,120 How old is Minnie? 657 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,255 She is approximately five years old. 658 00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:17,423 OK. 659 00:29:17,523 --> 00:29:19,892 Now, Minnie says she lives with other animals, 660 00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:23,729 as well, so you better tell me what the other cat's name is. 661 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:25,798 The other cat's name is Murphy. 662 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,500 Murphy. 663 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,569 There was a time when she felt sick. 664 00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:31,703 I don't-- 665 00:29:31,804 --> 00:29:33,139 I don't recall her being sick. 666 00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:34,540 She's feeling sick. 667 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,777 What is it you use in your house on the floors? 668 00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:40,112 We don't use anything on the floors 669 00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,714 other than vacuuming on the carpet and-- 670 00:29:42,815 --> 00:29:45,351 No, what do you use that you wash your floors with? 671 00:29:45,451 --> 00:29:46,685 Sorry. 672 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,221 Uh, ammonia, bleach. 673 00:29:49,321 --> 00:29:50,322 Exactly. 674 00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:52,491 It's the worst thing you can do for your cat. 675 00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:54,760 QUENTIN NEUBER: She discussed the fact that my cat seemed 676 00:29:54,861 --> 00:29:57,729 to have some illness related to the cleaning products 677 00:29:57,830 --> 00:30:00,499 that I used on my kitchen floor, and the fact of the matter 678 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,303 is the cat is now an outdoor cat and has been for some time. 679 00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:05,771 Now, Minnie thinks she's in charge, 680 00:30:05,872 --> 00:30:07,506 and she's telling me she's in charge. 681 00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:13,045 QUENTIN NEUBER: Overall, I would say on a scale of 1 to 10 she-- 682 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,214 she got two right out of 10. 683 00:30:15,314 --> 00:30:16,648 Yeah, she said that she's-- 684 00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:17,917 SONYA FITZPATRICK: Some animals are 685 00:30:18,017 --> 00:30:21,820 really clear with their communication and very direct, 686 00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:26,158 and then, just as people, others don't communicate so well-- 687 00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:29,128 so before they can send you a reply back. 688 00:30:29,228 --> 00:30:31,363 So that is the reason why sometimes I 689 00:30:31,463 --> 00:30:33,866 don't always get something, and I do occasionally 690 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:36,135 get animals like that. 691 00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:38,537 Hello, beautiful. 692 00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:40,206 Hi, what's your horse's name? 693 00:30:40,306 --> 00:30:41,140 Charlie. 694 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,074 Charlie. 695 00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:44,076 Oh, Charlie. 696 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:47,113 ROBERT STACK: Charlie is an 11-year-old racehorse. 697 00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:49,181 Sonya has not been told that he almost 698 00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:52,318 died recently after suffering continual abuse 699 00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,486 from a previous owner. 700 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,122 He's very emotional. 701 00:30:56,222 --> 00:30:59,892 He's, um-- he's had a lot of pain in his life, 702 00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:02,794 and I'm feeling that pain from him, 703 00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:07,033 and he's had a tremendous amount of abuse. 704 00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:09,435 TERRI MORAN: I was surprised that she picked up on the fact 705 00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:12,104 that he had been abused so quickly. 706 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:15,942 I really expected her to ask me questions that anybody could 707 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:19,245 figure out, OK, well, from that, I would assume 708 00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:21,680 that he had been abused, but she basically 709 00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:23,115 started just talking to me. 710 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:26,518 His leg-- he has also had a problem here. 711 00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:27,886 Here. Sorry. 712 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,155 Here. 713 00:31:29,255 --> 00:31:30,856 TERRI MORAN: It was real strange that she would be able 714 00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:33,059 to pinpoint an injury from his hip 715 00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:35,294 because there's-- there's no scars. 716 00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:39,831 I mean, he was in such pain and agony at one time, 717 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:42,301 and something with the foot. 718 00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,735 That was really painful. 719 00:31:43,835 --> 00:31:46,638 He has a-- a crack in his-- in his hoof, and she 720 00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:48,440 knew which hoof was cracked. 721 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:49,775 And that brings back the memories. 722 00:31:49,875 --> 00:31:52,044 Every time the ears are touched. 723 00:31:52,144 --> 00:31:55,314 SONYA FITZPATRICK: The hardest part is when an animal has been 724 00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,784 abused, and sometimes even now I think, oh god, 725 00:31:58,884 --> 00:31:59,885 I don't want to hear this. 726 00:31:59,986 --> 00:32:01,520 I don't want to hear what's been done. 727 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:03,255 I don't want to know, but I have to know. 728 00:32:03,355 --> 00:32:06,258 To be able to help them, I have to know what's going on. 729 00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:08,727 He wants to know is he going to be staying with you forever 730 00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:09,628 and ever? 731 00:32:09,728 --> 00:32:10,896 Oh, absolutely. 732 00:32:10,997 --> 00:32:12,864 SONYA FITZPATRICK: I get tremendous inner satisfaction-- 733 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:18,170 the fact that I've been able to be a voice for the animals. 734 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:19,638 It feeds my soul. 735 00:32:19,738 --> 00:32:21,473 That's the only way I can tell you. 736 00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:26,178 It feeds my soul and my spirit, and yes, I love it. 737 00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:27,346 I love talking to the animals. 738 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:35,821 [sirens] 739 00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:37,156 MAN: What's going on there? 740 00:32:37,256 --> 00:32:38,190 WOMAN: It's-- it's a big fire. 741 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:39,591 It's a really big fire. 742 00:32:39,691 --> 00:32:40,792 It just, like, blew up. 743 00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:42,628 MAN: OK, what's on fire? 744 00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:43,595 WOMAN: The whole house. 745 00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:44,563 MAN: The whole house? 746 00:32:44,663 --> 00:32:48,967 WOMAN: The whole house is burning up. 747 00:32:49,068 --> 00:32:52,071 ROBERT STACK: 8:42 AM, Scottsdale, Arizona. 748 00:32:52,171 --> 00:32:53,905 A quiet residential neighborhood was 749 00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:56,708 rocked by a powerful explosion. 750 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:58,510 The force of the blast ripped through the roof 751 00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:00,479 of this ranch style home, causing 752 00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:02,414 it to burst into flames. 753 00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:05,417 Firefighters quickly contained the swift moving blaze, 754 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:10,356 but not before much of the residence had been destroyed. 755 00:33:10,456 --> 00:33:12,524 The home was owned by Robert and Mary Fisher, 756 00:33:12,624 --> 00:33:15,927 who lived there with their two children, 757 00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:20,232 12-year-old Brittany and 10-year-old Bobby Jr. 758 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,502 When efforts to locate the Fishers proved unsuccessful, 759 00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,704 the fire department feared the worst-- 760 00:33:25,804 --> 00:33:29,075 that the entire family had perished in the blaze. 761 00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:32,211 When rescuers were finally able to get inside the house, 762 00:33:32,311 --> 00:33:34,946 they found the remains of Mary Fisher and her two children 763 00:33:35,047 --> 00:33:36,915 in the smoldering ruins. 764 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,218 Still lying in their beds, they appeared 765 00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:44,890 to have died in their sleep, but the remains of Robert Fisher 766 00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:46,758 were not found in the burned out home, 767 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:49,528 and he continues to be missing. 768 00:33:49,628 --> 00:33:51,330 Within days, investigators learned 769 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:53,165 that it was not the fire that killed Mary 770 00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:55,801 Fisher and her two children. 771 00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,271 The three victims had had their throats cut. 772 00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:02,341 Could Robert Fisher, the seemingly dedicated family man, 773 00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:05,144 also have been a ruthless killer? 774 00:34:05,244 --> 00:34:07,246 If so, he was hiding a terrible secret 775 00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:10,082 his own sister found impossible to comprehend. 776 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,922 JEAN: My brother loved his kids and his wife. 777 00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:19,225 A year ago, there's no way I would 778 00:34:19,325 --> 00:34:21,160 have imagined any of this. 779 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:24,730 There was-- I trusted my brother with my life. 780 00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:25,931 There's no way I would have thought 781 00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:27,199 he would be capable of this. 782 00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:35,474 ROBERT STACK: The Fishers were known as a devoted churchgoing 783 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:36,375 family. 784 00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:37,576 Mary, how are you, sweetheart? 785 00:34:37,676 --> 00:34:38,877 Good, reverend. Thank you. 786 00:34:38,977 --> 00:34:40,011 Oh, these kids are growing-- 787 00:34:40,112 --> 00:34:41,813 ROBERT STACK: Robert and Mary met in high school 788 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:44,550 and had been married for 16 years. 789 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:48,220 Brittany attended junior high, and Bobby was a fifth grader. 790 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,190 REVEREND: I'll see next week. 791 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:52,558 ROBERT STACK: After a stint in the Navy, 792 00:34:52,658 --> 00:34:54,526 Robert Fisher served as a firefighter 793 00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,729 before a back injury cut short his career. 794 00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:02,033 Within a few years, he became a proud father of two children. 795 00:35:02,134 --> 00:35:03,169 DET. 796 00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,304 JOHN KIRKHAM: Robert was a very private person. 797 00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:09,941 Outwardly, he is, uh, perceived as a good father, good husband, 798 00:35:10,041 --> 00:35:11,677 churchgoing man. 799 00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:13,345 During the investigation, we found 800 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:17,015 that Robert Fisher had a number of faces, a number of masks 801 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,617 that he wore. 802 00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:20,552 ROBERT STACK: Would a man who wore masks 803 00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:22,988 try to disguise the state of his marriage? 804 00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:25,391 Investigators learned from friends and coworkers 805 00:35:25,491 --> 00:35:26,592 that there may have been mounting 806 00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:29,295 turbulence in the Fisher home. 807 00:35:29,395 --> 00:35:31,597 Two years prior to the murders, Robert came 808 00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:34,166 to Mary with troubling news. 809 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,368 Remember the massage therapist that I was 810 00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:38,003 going to because of my back? 811 00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:39,505 Sure. 812 00:35:39,605 --> 00:35:41,907 Honey, I ended up having an affair with her. 813 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:46,645 ROBERT STACK: Mary was shattered by his infidelity. 814 00:35:46,745 --> 00:35:47,813 I can't believe you. 815 00:35:47,913 --> 00:35:49,147 - We can take care of this. - I want you out! 816 00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:50,148 I want you out! Just leave! 817 00:35:50,249 --> 00:35:52,751 Just leave! 818 00:35:52,851 --> 00:35:53,652 Fine. 819 00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,158 ROBERT STACK: Fisher headed to a forest north of Scottsdale, 820 00:36:00,259 --> 00:36:02,428 where he sought solace at his favorite hunting grounds. 821 00:36:14,573 --> 00:36:16,542 When he returned a few days later, 822 00:36:16,642 --> 00:36:18,577 he and Mary reconciled and even agreed 823 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:20,979 to counseling at their church. 824 00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:24,683 We need to address the personal issues. 825 00:36:24,783 --> 00:36:27,085 Those are the things that usually are at the crux 826 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,289 of any dispute, disagreement. 827 00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:32,424 ROBERT STACK: Robert had suffered deep emotional scars 828 00:36:32,524 --> 00:36:34,460 at the divorce of his own parents, 829 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,995 and he was adamant that his children not be subjected 830 00:36:37,095 --> 00:36:38,697 to that same emotional pain. 831 00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:40,098 REVEREND: And he's prayed about it. 832 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,568 MYRNA BITZER: Robert had told my dad many times 833 00:36:42,668 --> 00:36:44,470 that divorce was not an option. 834 00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:47,005 He would not be divorced like his parents were. 835 00:36:47,105 --> 00:36:48,240 He did state that several times-- 836 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:49,140 Robert did. 837 00:36:52,244 --> 00:36:54,280 ROBERT STACK: But despite his determination, 838 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:57,215 marital troubles apparently resurfaced in the Fisher home 839 00:36:57,316 --> 00:36:59,017 just prior to the murders. 840 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:01,420 MYRNA BITZER: Mary never told me that there were any problems, 841 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,789 but there was arguing a lot. 842 00:37:03,889 --> 00:37:07,192 I think Robert was very controlling, telling her things 843 00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:09,895 that he didn't need to say in front of a lot of people. 844 00:37:09,995 --> 00:37:11,263 DET. 845 00:37:11,363 --> 00:37:14,433 JOHN KIRKHAM: We spoke with a very close friend of Mary's 846 00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:17,903 and learned that, uh, uh, she had 847 00:37:18,003 --> 00:37:21,006 confided in her that, uh, uh, she was thinking 848 00:37:21,106 --> 00:37:22,207 about divorcing Robert. 849 00:37:22,308 --> 00:37:23,642 I can't believe you've done this again. 850 00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,677 I just can't believe it. After all the work-- 851 00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:27,279 ROBERT STACK: Neighbors told investigators 852 00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:28,980 that late on the night of the murders 853 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,849 the Fishers had a loud disagreement. 854 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:32,183 I'm calling the lawyer tomorrow. 855 00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:33,151 DET. 856 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:34,252 JOHN KIRKHAM: I don't think that he 857 00:37:34,353 --> 00:37:38,357 planned this on, uh, this particular day 858 00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,025 this is what I'm going to do. 859 00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:44,430 I think that it precipitated over a long period of time, 860 00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:48,734 and there was that one thing that triggered it, 861 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:52,771 and that could have been the-- the argument. 862 00:37:52,871 --> 00:37:53,872 ROBERT STACK: Could Robert Fisher 863 00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:55,407 have murdered his wife and children 864 00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:58,644 rather than put them through the heartache of divorce? 865 00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:00,178 The crime scene investigation had 866 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:01,747 uncovered intriguing clues-- 867 00:38:01,847 --> 00:38:05,917 a disconnected natural gas line, an out of place candlestick 868 00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:08,086 holder, and the residue of some form 869 00:38:08,186 --> 00:38:09,921 of highly flammable liquid-- 870 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:11,757 which led detectives to piece together 871 00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:14,760 a chilling scenario of what they believe transpired 872 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:16,595 on the night of the murders. DET. 873 00:38:16,695 --> 00:38:18,764 JOHN KIRKHAM: There was some type of a lacerated trauma 874 00:38:18,864 --> 00:38:22,434 to all three victims' necks, which could not 875 00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:25,170 have occurred during the fire. 876 00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:27,506 ROBERT STACK: Several hours before the explosion, 877 00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:29,675 investigators theorize that Robert Fisher 878 00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:35,647 slashed the throats of each of his children and then his wife. 879 00:38:35,747 --> 00:38:37,916 In addition to having her throat cut, 880 00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:40,586 evidence also showed Mary Fisher was shot. 881 00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:42,020 [gunshot] 882 00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:45,323 [barking] 883 00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:47,926 DET. 884 00:38:48,026 --> 00:38:50,529 JOHN KIRKHAM: Fire from a gas explosion 885 00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:53,799 usually isn't as intense as the fire at the Fisher residence, 886 00:38:53,899 --> 00:38:59,471 so there was some type of other flammable material used. 887 00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:00,806 ROBERT STACK: Investigators think 888 00:39:00,906 --> 00:39:03,942 Robert Fisher doused the house with the ignitable fluid. 889 00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:05,911 Then the former firefighter is believed 890 00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:09,280 to have disconnected the line leading to the gas furnace. 891 00:39:09,381 --> 00:39:10,315 DET. 892 00:39:10,416 --> 00:39:12,050 JOHN KIRKHAM: As a source of ignition, 893 00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:15,253 we believe that a candle with a candle holder 894 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:20,358 was used as a timing device in order to allow Robert 895 00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:23,061 time to leave the residence. 896 00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:25,797 ROBERT STACK: Hours later, once a sufficient amount of gas 897 00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:28,967 had built up, this candle then triggered the explosion 898 00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:33,004 and ignited the subsequent fire. 899 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,373 [sirens] 900 00:39:35,474 --> 00:39:36,775 DET. 901 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,811 JOHN KIRKHAM: Robert committed the arson in order to cover up 902 00:39:39,911 --> 00:39:43,081 the murders believing that the bodies would be burned 903 00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:46,051 beyond recognition and would have covered up 904 00:39:46,151 --> 00:39:50,422 any sign of what had happened, but it didn't cover it up quite 905 00:39:50,522 --> 00:39:51,457 as well as expected. 906 00:39:57,095 --> 00:39:59,164 ROBERT STACK: A full scale manhunt turned up few leads. 907 00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:05,771 Then, 10 days later, Mary Fisher's SUV, 908 00:40:05,871 --> 00:40:08,406 which disappeared the same night as the murders, 909 00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:11,076 was spotted by a hiker more than 100 miles away 910 00:40:11,176 --> 00:40:13,411 in the Tonto National Forest. 911 00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:15,346 It had apparently been left there the day before. 912 00:40:15,447 --> 00:40:16,247 DET. 913 00:40:16,347 --> 00:40:17,549 JOHN KIRKHAM: It was clean. 914 00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,050 There was no dust on it. 915 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:23,088 It was underneath pine trees, and there was very little pine 916 00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:25,356 tree needles on top of the vehicle 917 00:40:25,457 --> 00:40:27,626 or in the vehicle, which indicated 918 00:40:27,726 --> 00:40:30,796 to us that it had probably been dumped there 919 00:40:30,896 --> 00:40:32,864 within 24 hours of discovery. 920 00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:39,505 ROBERT STACK: Investigators descended on the remote area. 921 00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:40,772 They learned from Fisher's friends 922 00:40:40,872 --> 00:40:43,241 that he went there often on hunting trips. 923 00:40:43,341 --> 00:40:46,377 The conditions were harsh, and the landscape itself was 924 00:40:46,478 --> 00:40:47,613 riddled with hundreds of caves. 925 00:40:50,516 --> 00:40:54,953 Days of extensive searching would prove fruitless. 926 00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:56,287 Two theories emerged. 927 00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:59,190 One speculated that a despondent Robert Fisher took 928 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,226 refuge in one of the caves, where he 929 00:41:01,326 --> 00:41:02,528 eventually committed suicide. 930 00:41:05,864 --> 00:41:07,198 [gunshot] 931 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:14,272 The other theory suggested that a cunning Fisher left the SUV 932 00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:17,142 behind to divert the attention of investigators 933 00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:18,476 and then vanished. 934 00:41:18,577 --> 00:41:19,845 JEAN: Where would he be? 935 00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:21,680 How could he have gone to where he would be? 936 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:25,216 He didn't take any money with him. 937 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:29,788 And he would be in so much physical pain from his back. 938 00:41:29,888 --> 00:41:30,789 I don't know. 939 00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:32,658 If he did this, I don't know how he 940 00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:36,061 could be alive knowing how much my brother loved his family. 941 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,035 ROBERT STACK: However, Detective John Kirkham does not subscribe 942 00:41:44,135 --> 00:41:45,971 to the suicide theory, and he feels 943 00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:48,239 that Robert Fisher is not dead. 944 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,474 DET. 945 00:41:49,575 --> 00:41:51,777 JOHN KIRKHAM: The theory of Robert Fisher committing 946 00:41:51,877 --> 00:41:55,847 suicide in the woods after leaving the vehicle, 947 00:41:55,947 --> 00:41:59,517 um, I believe is a remote possibility. 948 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,124 The vehicle itself was about a quarter 949 00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:09,628 of a mile off of an improved Forest Service road. 950 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:13,164 It's a fairly active area with a lot of traffic on that road. 951 00:42:16,802 --> 00:42:20,739 And there are various places that one could use a phone, 952 00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:24,309 catch a ride, that sort of thing. 953 00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:27,913 He has now probably started a new life 954 00:42:28,013 --> 00:42:32,918 under an assumed identity. 955 00:42:33,018 --> 00:42:34,786 If Robert wanted to kill himself, 956 00:42:34,886 --> 00:42:36,855 he would have done it when he killed Mary, Brittany, 957 00:42:36,955 --> 00:42:38,924 and Bobby is my belief. 958 00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:43,194 So I do believe Robert is alive, yes. 959 00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:45,330 ROBERT STACK: Robert Fisher has been indicted for the murders 960 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,132 of his wife and children. 961 00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:49,935 Fisher is 41 years old, stands six feet tall, 962 00:42:50,035 --> 00:42:52,370 and weighs 190 pounds. 963 00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:54,906 He also has surgical scars on his lower back 964 00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:58,176 and a gold crown on his upper left canine tooth. 965 00:42:58,276 --> 00:43:00,946 Robert Fisher should be considered armed and dangerous. 966 00:43:21,967 --> 00:43:24,302 Join me next time for another intriguing hour 967 00:43:24,402 --> 00:43:27,873 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 75893

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