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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,239 --> 00:00:10,778 ROBERT STACK: Tonight on "Unsolved Mysteries," 2 00:00:10,811 --> 00:00:13,181 a teenage girl and her friend vanish 3 00:00:13,214 --> 00:00:17,351 the night her parents are slain and their home set ablaze. 4 00:00:17,385 --> 00:00:21,355 We only had one body accounted and for, could find no others, 5 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:24,158 yet we had all the cars there at the house? 6 00:00:24,192 --> 00:00:25,626 ROBERT STACK: Were they abducted or were 7 00:00:25,659 --> 00:00:28,996 they involved in the murders? 8 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:31,632 A young American woman is stranded on Jamaica when 9 00:00:31,665 --> 00:00:33,901 her business plans go awry. 10 00:00:33,934 --> 00:00:36,404 Days later, she vanishes. 11 00:00:36,437 --> 00:00:40,774 What happened to Claudia Kirschhoch? 12 00:00:40,808 --> 00:00:43,411 A young teen tormented by ghosts-- 13 00:00:43,444 --> 00:00:45,479 for the past nine years, Michael Jones 14 00:00:45,513 --> 00:00:47,281 believes supernatural spirits have 15 00:00:47,315 --> 00:00:50,518 been tormenting him, from poltergeist activity 16 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:52,420 to physical torture. 17 00:00:52,453 --> 00:00:56,224 There's a-- there's a lot of ghosts in our house that are 18 00:00:56,257 --> 00:00:58,726 after me, and there's a lot of bad ones and good ones, 19 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,462 and they're all fighting with each other. 20 00:01:01,495 --> 00:01:04,265 ROBERT STACK: Could the spirits be vying for this boy's soul? 21 00:01:07,168 --> 00:01:11,239 A young widow falls for the charismatic leader of the pack. 22 00:01:11,272 --> 00:01:13,874 She has no idea he is a dangerous ex-convict 23 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:16,777 wanted by federal authorities. 24 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:20,181 Did she willingly join him as he fled, 25 00:01:20,214 --> 00:01:21,482 or did she become his victim? 26 00:01:24,552 --> 00:01:27,054 Join me for these intriguing cases. 27 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:30,358 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery. 28 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:20,508 Vinita, Oklahoma, a small rural town in Craig County, 29 00:02:20,541 --> 00:02:25,779 December 29, 1999-- 30 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:29,183 Ashley Freeman turned sweet 16. 31 00:02:29,217 --> 00:02:32,986 At her home, it is a night of celebration for her parents 32 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:36,790 and for her best friend Laura Biden. 33 00:02:36,824 --> 00:02:39,827 Laura, she said to me, daddy, is it 34 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:41,829 all right if I spend the night with Ashley 35 00:02:41,862 --> 00:02:44,265 to the Freeman's home? 36 00:02:44,298 --> 00:02:46,600 I said, well, if you just make sure you're home 37 00:02:46,634 --> 00:02:50,304 by noon tomorrow, you know? 38 00:02:50,338 --> 00:02:56,510 And noon tomorrow didn't happen the way it should've. 39 00:02:56,544 --> 00:02:58,346 ROBERT STACK: Sometime during the night, 40 00:02:58,379 --> 00:03:00,381 the Freeman's home becomes an inferno. 41 00:03:05,118 --> 00:03:07,688 By 8:00 AM, when Laura's parents arrived, 42 00:03:07,721 --> 00:03:09,890 the fire is extinguished. 43 00:03:09,923 --> 00:03:13,794 But the Freeman's home has been reduced to ashes. 44 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:15,263 There's her car. 45 00:03:15,296 --> 00:03:17,765 ROBERT STACK: Laura's car is on the charred property, 46 00:03:17,798 --> 00:03:20,268 but there is no sign of their daughter. 47 00:03:20,301 --> 00:03:23,504 Jay and Lorene Bible feared the worst. 48 00:03:23,537 --> 00:03:24,405 We did find one body-- 49 00:03:24,438 --> 00:03:25,406 Who? 50 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:26,674 But it's not Laura. 51 00:03:26,707 --> 00:03:29,076 The county coroner told me that there was only 52 00:03:29,109 --> 00:03:31,078 one body is all they found. 53 00:03:31,111 --> 00:03:33,847 I said, have they found anybody else? 54 00:03:33,881 --> 00:03:35,616 And she said, no. 55 00:03:35,649 --> 00:03:36,717 I said, did they look? 56 00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:38,552 And she said, yes, we've looked, but there's 57 00:03:38,586 --> 00:03:41,455 no other bodies there. 58 00:03:41,489 --> 00:03:43,357 ROBERT STACK: The lone body discovered in the debris 59 00:03:43,391 --> 00:03:45,726 is that of Kathy Freeman, the mother 60 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:47,795 of Laura's friend, Ashley. 61 00:03:47,828 --> 00:03:50,130 The Craig County Sheriff's Department 62 00:03:50,163 --> 00:03:53,967 and the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation are perplexed. 63 00:03:54,001 --> 00:04:00,140 Where are Ashley, her father, Danny, and Laura Bible? 64 00:04:00,173 --> 00:04:04,111 We only had one body accounted for, could find no others, 65 00:04:04,144 --> 00:04:06,246 yet we had all the cars there at the house. 66 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,218 That was a little bit bizarre, and no one could quite piece 67 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:12,219 two and two together on that. 68 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,120 It didn't make any sense. 69 00:04:16,824 --> 00:04:21,629 We was just kind of wondering where they could be. 70 00:04:21,662 --> 00:04:22,896 I mean, we didn't know. 71 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:26,233 We didn't have a clue what had happened. 72 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:28,201 Couldn't even come up with a good idea 73 00:04:28,235 --> 00:04:29,537 as to what might have happened. 74 00:04:32,873 --> 00:04:35,743 One person dead and three missing. 75 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,678 The case became even more baffling 76 00:04:37,711 --> 00:04:39,212 when the coroner determined Kathy 77 00:04:39,246 --> 00:04:42,583 Freeman died not in the fire, but from a shotgun wound 78 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:44,318 to the head. 79 00:04:44,352 --> 00:04:48,489 The arson squad concluded the blaze was deliberately set. 80 00:04:48,522 --> 00:04:50,424 Authorities speculated Kathy might have been 81 00:04:50,458 --> 00:04:52,793 killed by her husband, Danny, who then 82 00:04:52,826 --> 00:04:55,563 fled, taking the girls hostage. 83 00:04:55,596 --> 00:04:58,332 But there would be other suspects, including 84 00:04:58,366 --> 00:05:01,034 the investigators themselves. 85 00:05:01,068 --> 00:05:06,039 Even the two missing girls were not above suspicion. 86 00:05:06,073 --> 00:05:08,241 ROBERT STACK: Laura Bible and Ashley Freeman 87 00:05:08,275 --> 00:05:11,845 were inseparable friends since kindergarten. 88 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:15,248 Both were honor students and the popular at school. 89 00:05:15,282 --> 00:05:18,285 Even when one ventured her own separate way, 90 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:20,888 there was the other, cheering her on. 91 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:23,190 Laura and Ashley call each other at least once a week, 92 00:05:23,223 --> 00:05:24,725 if not more. 93 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:26,927 What one was thinking the other was thinking. 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,362 It's kind of like when two people-- 95 00:05:28,396 --> 00:05:32,232 one can finish a sentence when the other one starts one. 96 00:05:32,265 --> 00:05:35,102 ROBERT STACK: The day after the fire, Laura's parents returned 97 00:05:35,135 --> 00:05:38,138 to what is now a crime scene. 98 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:40,774 They hope to find a clue the investigators had missed. 99 00:05:43,644 --> 00:05:46,013 After searching only five minutes, 100 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:48,148 Jay Bible made a shocking discovery. 101 00:05:48,181 --> 00:05:49,550 Oh, no. 102 00:05:49,583 --> 00:05:52,119 Oh, Lori, come here, quick! 103 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:56,424 ROBERT STACK: A body, burned almost beyond recognition. 104 00:05:56,457 --> 00:05:59,960 The Bibles quickly determined, however, it was neither Laura 105 00:05:59,993 --> 00:06:03,564 nor Ashley, but an adult male. 106 00:06:03,597 --> 00:06:05,198 There was no face there. 107 00:06:05,232 --> 00:06:09,703 He did not have anything from the upper teeth 108 00:06:09,737 --> 00:06:11,304 all the way to the top of his head. 109 00:06:11,338 --> 00:06:13,974 It was totally gone, like he'd been shot in the face. 110 00:06:14,007 --> 00:06:16,877 We just couldn't believe that they had overlooked 111 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:20,213 a second body in this fire. 112 00:06:20,247 --> 00:06:22,983 ROBERT STACK: The body was identified as Danny Freeman, 113 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:26,253 Ashley's father, who investigators had initially 114 00:06:26,286 --> 00:06:28,522 believed murdered his wife. 115 00:06:28,556 --> 00:06:31,792 Like Kathy, he had been shot at close range with a shotgun. 116 00:06:34,528 --> 00:06:37,531 Investigators reexamined the crime scene, 117 00:06:37,565 --> 00:06:41,702 but no additional bodies were found. 118 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:45,573 The new search, however, yielded one important clue. 119 00:06:45,606 --> 00:06:48,175 Laura's purse, which contained her driver's license 120 00:06:48,208 --> 00:06:52,245 and nearly $200 in cash. 121 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,881 What reason would Laura have to leave 122 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:58,919 it behind, unless she had been taken away against her will? 123 00:06:58,952 --> 00:07:00,253 I felt that's somebody had went 124 00:07:00,287 --> 00:07:04,525 in there for whatever reason, murdered Danny and Kathy, 125 00:07:04,558 --> 00:07:07,227 and took the girls. 126 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:09,162 ROBERT STACK: If Laura and Ashley were abducted, 127 00:07:09,196 --> 00:07:13,033 who took them, and why? 128 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:15,368 The Craig County Sheriff's Department 129 00:07:15,402 --> 00:07:17,204 tried to piece together what happened 130 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:19,973 the night of Ashley's birthday. 131 00:07:20,007 --> 00:07:21,742 Her boyfriend who attended the party 132 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:27,147 said that all was well when it broke up at 9:30 PM. 133 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,750 Whatever occurred must have begun sometime 134 00:07:29,783 --> 00:07:31,218 after he left at that hour. 135 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:38,125 At first, investigators believe a robbery 136 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:40,260 may have turned deadly. 137 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:42,395 But the cash left behind in Laura's purse 138 00:07:42,429 --> 00:07:46,166 eliminated that possibility. 139 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,102 If murder alone was the intruder's intent, 140 00:07:49,136 --> 00:07:51,805 who in Vinita, Oklahoma had reason to kill 141 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:55,676 Danny and Kathy Freeman? 142 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:59,947 One shocking possibility was voiced by Danny Freeman himself 143 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:02,650 three months before he was killed. 144 00:08:02,683 --> 00:08:04,718 He told his brother, Dwayne-- 145 00:08:04,752 --> 00:08:10,090 Listen, Dwayne, if anything should ever happen to me, 146 00:08:10,123 --> 00:08:13,160 I want you to take a look at the sheriff's office. 147 00:08:13,193 --> 00:08:14,562 Sheriff, Hear why? 148 00:08:14,595 --> 00:08:17,798 He and I was at his house, and he put his finger in my face, 149 00:08:17,831 --> 00:08:22,369 and he said, if anything ever happens to me, 150 00:08:22,402 --> 00:08:23,837 look at the sheriff's department. 151 00:08:23,871 --> 00:08:24,938 And he was serious. 152 00:08:24,972 --> 00:08:27,741 He was in my face to drive it home with me. 153 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:32,345 ROBERT STACK: For months, it had been rumored in Vinita 154 00:08:32,379 --> 00:08:34,414 that the Craig County Sheriff's Department had 155 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:37,985 been feuding with the Freemans. 156 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:40,954 It began when Danny's son, Shane, was shot and killed 157 00:08:40,988 --> 00:08:47,027 by a deputy after he had stolen a truck and a neighbor's gun. 158 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:49,963 Although Shane's killing was ruled justifiable, 159 00:08:49,997 --> 00:08:52,165 the Freemans threatened to filed a wrongful death 160 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:56,469 lawsuit against the sheriff's department. 161 00:08:56,503 --> 00:08:58,538 According to some in Vinita, the Freemans' 162 00:08:58,572 --> 00:09:00,941 accusations provoked deputies to embark 163 00:09:00,974 --> 00:09:04,411 on a campaign of intimidation. 164 00:09:04,444 --> 00:09:06,714 Get out of the truck, Danny. 165 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:08,181 What is this about? 166 00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:09,617 This is about you looking all over town-- 167 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:12,419 He was basically told, according to Danny, 168 00:09:12,452 --> 00:09:13,887 that they could do anything they wanted to 169 00:09:13,921 --> 00:09:15,188 to him and his family, and there wasn't 170 00:09:15,222 --> 00:09:17,057 a thing he could do about it. 171 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:19,927 You're taking yourself out of the investigation? 172 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,429 ROBERT STACK: When Danny and his wife were found dead, 173 00:09:22,462 --> 00:09:25,098 the Craig County Sheriff's Department voluntarily 174 00:09:25,132 --> 00:09:27,100 turned the case over to the Oklahoma 175 00:09:27,134 --> 00:09:30,137 State Bureau of Investigation. 176 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:33,573 Because it was of such a concern to the residents 177 00:09:33,607 --> 00:09:37,044 of the area, we looked into the possibility 178 00:09:37,077 --> 00:09:39,579 that deputies could have been involved with the deaths 179 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:42,115 of Danny and Kathy Freeman. 180 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:48,388 We utilized several techniques, one of which was polygraph. 181 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:50,523 All consented to the polygraph examinations, 182 00:09:50,557 --> 00:09:55,796 and all cleared themselves as a result of those examinations. 183 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:58,131 The overall conclusion of our efforts 184 00:09:58,165 --> 00:09:59,733 was that the sheriff's office had nothing 185 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:01,869 to do with the murders of Danny and Kathy, 186 00:10:01,902 --> 00:10:06,239 and did not know the whereabouts of the two missing girls. 187 00:10:06,273 --> 00:10:08,041 ROBERT STACK: The hint of another possibility 188 00:10:08,075 --> 00:10:11,044 occurred two weeks before the murders. 189 00:10:11,078 --> 00:10:13,513 According to an informant, Danny Freeman 190 00:10:13,546 --> 00:10:20,087 met two unidentified men, one of whom was clearly unwelcome. 191 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,388 What's he doing here? 192 00:10:21,421 --> 00:10:22,823 We just got some things we want to talk to you about. 193 00:10:22,856 --> 00:10:24,858 ROBERT STACK: Rumors in Vinita had spread that Danny was 194 00:10:24,892 --> 00:10:26,493 a small time drug trafficker. 195 00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:28,428 I'm not dealing with you while he's 196 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,563 here, so you can just take off. 197 00:10:30,597 --> 00:10:32,866 ROBERT STACK: Could a drug deal gone bad have 198 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,168 resulted in a double murder? 199 00:10:35,202 --> 00:10:38,672 If you wanted to consider that it was drug related 200 00:10:38,706 --> 00:10:41,975 and that someone, for revenge purposes, entered the home, 201 00:10:42,009 --> 00:10:44,778 killed the mother and father and abducted the children, 202 00:10:44,812 --> 00:10:46,780 and nothing fits correctly. 203 00:10:46,814 --> 00:10:49,216 In that type of scenario, the very last thing 204 00:10:49,249 --> 00:10:51,584 that the people who committed to murder would want to do 205 00:10:51,618 --> 00:10:54,321 would be abduct the children. 206 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:57,524 ROBERT STACK: A disturbing possibility remained. 207 00:10:57,557 --> 00:11:01,294 Could Ashley Freeman herself have murdered her parents, 208 00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:03,731 then fled with Laura? 209 00:11:03,764 --> 00:11:06,433 I believe that the Freeman girl 210 00:11:06,466 --> 00:11:08,368 could possibly be involved. 211 00:11:08,401 --> 00:11:10,838 I believe that there is a great deal of friction in the Freeman 212 00:11:10,871 --> 00:11:15,675 household because of reports that Danny and his daughter 213 00:11:15,709 --> 00:11:19,512 did not get along well at all and hadn't for some time. 214 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:21,915 That's something we can't overlook. 215 00:11:21,949 --> 00:11:25,886 Ashley Freeman might have something to do with the death 216 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,021 of Danny and Kathy. 217 00:11:28,055 --> 00:11:31,458 However, it's been 15 months since the incident. 218 00:11:31,491 --> 00:11:33,393 I find it difficult to believe that the girls, 219 00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:38,698 by themselves, could hide out that long and not be found. 220 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:40,367 ROBERT STACK: Today, Jay and Lorene Bible 221 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,371 are left with only unanswered questions and the void 222 00:11:44,404 --> 00:11:47,875 of their daughter's absence. 223 00:11:47,908 --> 00:11:49,509 We have come to the conclusion that Laura 224 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:52,212 was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 225 00:11:52,245 --> 00:11:54,514 I do feel that she's still alive, 226 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:59,252 but whether she's alive or dead, I want to know. 227 00:11:59,286 --> 00:12:03,356 She put up the Christmas tree and we still 228 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:05,692 have that Christmas tree standing in the house. 229 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:07,961 We haven't taken it down. 230 00:12:07,995 --> 00:12:10,363 You know, we love her dearly and wish we could have her back, 231 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:13,867 wish we can have both girls back, because at this point, 232 00:12:13,901 --> 00:12:16,569 I'd take them and raise them both and never let them go. 233 00:12:48,035 --> 00:12:50,904 ROBERT STACK: Jamaica, a picturesque Caribbean island 234 00:12:50,938 --> 00:12:54,407 known for its sun drenched beaches, crystal clear waters, 235 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:57,777 and all inclusive resorts, the kind of place 236 00:12:57,811 --> 00:13:01,181 where people come to live out their dreams. 237 00:13:01,214 --> 00:13:03,450 But what if visiting the Jamaican paradise 238 00:13:03,483 --> 00:13:06,553 turned into a nightmare? 239 00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:10,023 In May 2000, New York based travel writers Claudia 240 00:13:10,057 --> 00:13:13,326 Kirschhoch and Tania Grossinger found themselves stranded 241 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,496 on Jamaica when their business trip to Havana, Cuba 242 00:13:16,529 --> 00:13:19,566 was suddenly canceled. 243 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:21,401 When we found out that we weren't going to Cuba 244 00:13:21,434 --> 00:13:23,703 we were really, really upset. 245 00:13:23,736 --> 00:13:25,372 I had assignments. 246 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,307 Claudia was there on work. 247 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:29,877 We were also concerned because when they told us 248 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:31,511 we couldn't go, they also told us we 249 00:13:31,544 --> 00:13:34,247 couldn't get back to New York. 250 00:13:34,281 --> 00:13:36,816 ROBERT STACK: Just prior to her trip to the Caribbean, 251 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:39,486 Claudia Kirschhoch had landed a job as an editor 252 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:41,922 at "Frommer's Travel Guides." 253 00:13:41,955 --> 00:13:44,824 For someone who had a passion for travel and adventure 254 00:13:44,858 --> 00:13:47,194 it was a dream come true. 255 00:13:47,227 --> 00:13:49,796 But tragically, this was destined to be the final trip 256 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:51,431 taken by Claudia. 257 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:54,134 While awaiting her return to the US, 258 00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:56,836 the savvy and experienced 29-year-old traveler 259 00:13:56,870 --> 00:14:00,941 vanished without a trace and has yet to make it home. 260 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:03,310 Let's put one up here, OK? 261 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:06,246 ROBERT STACK: Claudia's parents, Fred and Mary Ann Kirschhoch, 262 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:08,515 rushed to Negril, Jamaica as soon as they 263 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:10,717 learned of her disappearance. 264 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:12,485 When we found out she was missing, 265 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:14,854 we knew that there was a definite problem. 266 00:14:14,888 --> 00:14:18,391 Knowing her, knowing that she called frequently, 267 00:14:18,425 --> 00:14:21,794 knowing that she would have told us there was a change of plans, 268 00:14:21,828 --> 00:14:25,933 we knew there was something drastically wrong. 269 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:27,667 Fred and Mary Ann Kirschhoch were not 270 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,970 prepared for the hurdles they would encounter in trying 271 00:14:30,003 --> 00:14:32,339 to learn Claudia's fate. 272 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,508 But coming to grips with their daughter's dire situation, 273 00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:38,946 they would have to deal with Jamaican red tape, false leads, 274 00:14:38,979 --> 00:14:41,348 and lost or missing clues. 275 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:43,750 And in the end, conflicting theories 276 00:14:43,783 --> 00:14:47,120 would emerge to explain what happened to Claudia Kirschhoch. 277 00:14:50,123 --> 00:14:51,691 ROBERT STACK: Sandals Resorts has sponsored 278 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:54,661 Claudia Kirschhoch and Tania Grossinger's original press 279 00:14:54,694 --> 00:14:57,697 trip to Havana, Cuba. 280 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:59,899 When the trip was canceled without warning, 281 00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:03,203 a chain put them up at the resort in Negril, Jamaica 282 00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:06,839 until return flights could be booked back to New York. 283 00:15:06,873 --> 00:15:09,109 In the mean time, the two women who'd 284 00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:11,478 only met for the first time on this trip 285 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:14,314 decided to make the best of being in limbo. 286 00:15:14,347 --> 00:15:16,116 So ladies, where you come from? 287 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:18,385 We're from New York. 288 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,720 ROBERT STACK: Claudia made friends with Anthony Grant, 289 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:24,591 one of the resort's bartenders. 290 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,260 She was a big fan of reggae music. 291 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:30,597 Grant reportedly offered to take her to a nearby club. 292 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:31,564 This looks like fun. 293 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:45,445 The next morning, she told me that she had gone out 294 00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:49,016 with one of the bartenders, who turns out to be Anthony Grant. 295 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:51,951 She told me that they went to a club, 296 00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:55,955 that they smoked some dope, and that they went skinny dipping. 297 00:15:59,592 --> 00:16:03,296 It didn't seem to be a remarkable experience for her. 298 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:06,566 I mean, it was just something that she did. 299 00:16:06,599 --> 00:16:09,236 You know, the situation is, in retrospect, I 300 00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:10,703 wish I could remember everything she said, 301 00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:15,442 but in fact, it wasn't such a big deal to her or to me. 302 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,244 OK, so you remember the bar tender-- 303 00:16:17,277 --> 00:16:19,112 ROBERT STACK: Tania Grossinger managed to book a flight 304 00:16:19,146 --> 00:16:22,082 home sooner than Claudia. 305 00:16:22,115 --> 00:16:25,318 She expected her travel companion would follow shortly. 306 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:27,354 They agreed to meet up in New York City 307 00:16:27,387 --> 00:16:29,289 once Claudia returned to her job there. 308 00:16:31,958 --> 00:16:35,528 But later that afternoon, Claudia Kirschhoch mysteriously 309 00:16:35,562 --> 00:16:37,530 vanished from the island. 310 00:16:37,564 --> 00:16:38,631 CLAUDIA KIRSCHHOCH: You think I'm 311 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:39,999 going to be able to find somebody 312 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:42,102 that can braid my hair just up the way there a little bit? 313 00:16:42,135 --> 00:16:44,671 ROBERT STACK: She was reportedly last seen by a lifeguard, 314 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,507 walking along a Negril beach away from the resort. 315 00:16:58,218 --> 00:16:59,519 She didn't? 316 00:16:59,552 --> 00:17:01,654 ROBERT STACK: On June 2, Claudia's parents 317 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,856 were notified that she hadn't shown up for work 318 00:17:03,890 --> 00:17:06,159 in New York as scheduled. 319 00:17:06,193 --> 00:17:09,462 Fred and Mary Ann Kirschhoch had an unsettling feeling 320 00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:12,132 when they finally reached someone at the Jamaican resort. 321 00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:15,768 Call her mother. 322 00:17:15,802 --> 00:17:17,704 ROBERT STACK: Hotel maids had reported Claudia 323 00:17:17,737 --> 00:17:19,872 missing after noticing she had not slept 324 00:17:19,906 --> 00:17:22,242 in her bed for several days. 325 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:24,644 Nothing in her room seemed amiss. 326 00:17:24,677 --> 00:17:27,547 Every item of her clothing, except for one bathing suit, 327 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:30,450 was neatly packed away in her suitcase. 328 00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:35,655 Her passport, credit cards, cell phone, and $180 in cash 329 00:17:35,688 --> 00:17:39,326 were recovered from the hotel safe where she left them. 330 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,361 Probably the most devastating piece of news, 331 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:45,198 initially, was that all of her belongings were in her room. 332 00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:47,767 I mean, we would rather have heard that some of her things 333 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,202 were missing and then we would have thought 334 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:50,870 maybe she went somewhere else. 335 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:52,805 Well, we heard the news that Claudia's 336 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:55,875 things were all in her room and they didn't know where she was. 337 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,345 It's not-- that's not Claudia. 338 00:17:58,378 --> 00:18:02,549 Claudia's a really organized, orderly person. 339 00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:04,317 If she was planning to go off somewhere, 340 00:18:04,351 --> 00:18:06,018 she would have made a phone call. 341 00:18:06,052 --> 00:18:07,954 She would have let us know. 342 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:11,491 We felt very early on that something happened to her 343 00:18:11,524 --> 00:18:13,092 and that something just was not right. 344 00:18:16,163 --> 00:18:18,531 ROBERT STACK: As soon as they found Claudia was missing, 345 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:22,101 the Kirschhochs hurried to Jamaica. 346 00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:24,637 Good afternoon. 347 00:18:24,671 --> 00:18:27,874 I wonder if you could tell me if you've seen my daughter. 348 00:18:27,907 --> 00:18:30,243 ROBERT STACK: Once in Negril, the Kirschhochs' attempts 349 00:18:30,277 --> 00:18:32,011 to find out what happened to their daughter 350 00:18:32,044 --> 00:18:34,881 were repeatedly dashed by frustration, 351 00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:37,750 beginning with the resort that had sponsored Claudia's trip. 352 00:18:41,921 --> 00:18:44,557 As a security precaution, the license plates 353 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:47,394 of all vehicles entering and leaving the Sandals Resort 354 00:18:47,427 --> 00:18:51,764 are meticulously recorded in a log book. 355 00:18:51,798 --> 00:18:53,600 The log book for the month that Claudia 356 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:58,070 disappeared cannot be found. 357 00:18:58,104 --> 00:19:00,507 The videotape from a surveillance camera 358 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:02,909 mounted near Claudia's room was recorded 359 00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:06,913 over before being viewed. 360 00:19:06,946 --> 00:19:10,116 Room 621, the room where Claudia stayed, 361 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,885 was cleared by housekeeping and hotel security 362 00:19:12,919 --> 00:19:15,622 before the potential crime scene was processed for clues. 363 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,729 Without any evidence of foul play, 364 00:19:22,762 --> 00:19:26,699 Jamaican authorities focused on other possibilities. 365 00:19:26,733 --> 00:19:29,001 Because she was last seen on the beach, 366 00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:31,804 and because a bathing suit was the only item of clothing known 367 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:34,073 to be missing from her belongings, 368 00:19:34,106 --> 00:19:37,143 Jamaican police investigated the possibility 369 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:38,211 that Claudia had drowned. 370 00:19:41,113 --> 00:19:45,084 It's not impossible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. 371 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:48,555 That area, it's not deep. 372 00:19:48,588 --> 00:19:51,624 And the current is not very strong. 373 00:19:51,658 --> 00:19:54,261 And if something should go wrong with someone there, 374 00:19:54,294 --> 00:19:55,528 the body would be found easily. 375 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,667 ROBERT STACK: As news of Claudia's disappearance 376 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,436 spread through Jamaica, numerous sightings 377 00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:05,538 of a woman fitting Claudia's description 378 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:07,974 began to suggest another possibility. 379 00:20:11,311 --> 00:20:13,313 Many local Negril residents believe 380 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:18,351 that Claudia was alive and had intentionally gone into hiding. 381 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:20,453 The local phrase "broken loose" was 382 00:20:20,487 --> 00:20:22,355 used to describe how she may have chosen 383 00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:25,525 to run away from her own life to live in the hills 384 00:20:25,558 --> 00:20:28,828 with a Jamaican lover. 385 00:20:28,861 --> 00:20:30,830 We know she wouldn't do that. 386 00:20:30,863 --> 00:20:34,567 She had no reason to escape, as has been said. 387 00:20:34,601 --> 00:20:36,469 She loved her life, you know, her family, 388 00:20:36,503 --> 00:20:38,605 her friends, her new apartment. 389 00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:40,072 Everything was going right for her. 390 00:20:40,106 --> 00:20:41,974 So there was nothing to escape. 391 00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:45,645 So we got a call that Claudia went off with a rastaman 392 00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:49,316 in some hills in Jamaica. 393 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:51,083 We have checked several areas. 394 00:20:51,117 --> 00:20:52,952 We have spoken to a number of rastafarians. 395 00:20:57,089 --> 00:21:01,761 In fact, we have gone to an area where the report said she was, 396 00:21:01,794 --> 00:21:05,965 and there is no information to suggest that Claudia Kirschhoch 397 00:21:05,998 --> 00:21:08,601 was ever seen in that area. 398 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:12,038 If you ever see her or hear anybody say anything about her, 399 00:21:12,071 --> 00:21:13,906 you know how to find me. 400 00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:14,807 Where did she go? 401 00:21:14,841 --> 00:21:16,309 Show me. 402 00:21:16,343 --> 00:21:18,811 ROBERT STACK: Frustrated by the progress of the investigation, 403 00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:20,847 Claudia's parents enlisted the assistance 404 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,916 of the FBI and an American Search and Rescue team. 405 00:21:27,253 --> 00:21:29,689 According to Harry Oaks, he and his dog, 406 00:21:29,722 --> 00:21:33,360 Valerie, tracked Claudia's scent to the home of Anthony Grant, 407 00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:36,396 the Sandals Resort bartender Claudia had befriended. 408 00:21:39,932 --> 00:21:43,703 The dog reportedly hit on a pair of boots, a pair of gloves, 409 00:21:43,736 --> 00:21:47,239 and a knife. - Bingo. 410 00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:49,208 ROBERT STACK: While searching Grant's car, 411 00:21:49,241 --> 00:21:52,111 Valerie seemed to also hit on Claudia Kirschhoch's scent 412 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,714 in the back seat and the trunk. 413 00:21:54,747 --> 00:21:59,352 The articles found, boots, knife, material that made up 414 00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:03,423 the trunk of the car, was removed by the FBI 415 00:22:03,456 --> 00:22:05,257 Evidence Response Team. 416 00:22:05,291 --> 00:22:10,963 It was taken to the FBI forensic laboratory in the states. 417 00:22:10,997 --> 00:22:15,034 It was checked for signs of human blood. 418 00:22:15,067 --> 00:22:17,737 Nothing was found. 419 00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:20,940 ROBERT STACK: Anthony Grant was investigated and polygraphed, 420 00:22:20,973 --> 00:22:23,743 but the results were deemed inconclusive. 421 00:22:23,776 --> 00:22:27,647 And at this point, Grant is not considered a suspect in Claudia 422 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,749 Kirschhoch's disappearance. 423 00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:34,421 We interviewed him for several weeks. 424 00:22:34,454 --> 00:22:40,760 We just don't find enough evidence to, in any way, 425 00:22:40,793 --> 00:22:45,965 believe that Grant is involved in her disappearance, 426 00:22:45,998 --> 00:22:49,101 other than that he was associated with her. 427 00:22:49,135 --> 00:22:51,070 No one disappears from the face 428 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:53,272 of the Earth in a town of 3,000 people 429 00:22:53,305 --> 00:22:55,808 without one other person knowing it. 430 00:22:55,842 --> 00:22:58,578 We do believe that Anthony Grant, the bartender, 431 00:22:58,611 --> 00:23:01,481 introduced her to someone who has a much 432 00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:02,882 better idea of what happened. 433 00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:04,517 We believe Anthony Grant probably 434 00:23:04,551 --> 00:23:05,485 knows something as well. 435 00:23:08,287 --> 00:23:09,456 ROBERT STACK: Today, the Kirschhochs 436 00:23:09,489 --> 00:23:12,459 struggle to keep the search for Claudia alive, 437 00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:17,296 despite dwindling leads and diminishing support. 438 00:23:17,329 --> 00:23:18,731 We're not left with many good theories. 439 00:23:21,501 --> 00:23:23,670 You know, all of them, all of them 440 00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:25,605 are bad in some way or another. 441 00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:28,541 The hardest part daily is Claudia's absence, 442 00:23:28,575 --> 00:23:31,478 and knowing we may never see or hear of her again. 443 00:23:31,511 --> 00:23:34,280 I mean, it's very easy to curl up and either stay in your bed 444 00:23:34,313 --> 00:23:36,949 and just not go on with life, you know, 445 00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:39,786 but we've got to find out what happened to Claudia, 446 00:23:39,819 --> 00:23:44,356 and we're just going to keep digging and looking. 447 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:46,626 ROBERT STACK: The last apparent sighting of Claudia Kirschhoch 448 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:49,261 was on May 27, 2000, near the Beaches 449 00:23:49,295 --> 00:23:50,463 Resort in Negril, Jamaica. 450 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:03,375 In this day and age, it may be hard to believe that there are 451 00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:05,745 people who claim ghosts haunt their homes 452 00:24:05,778 --> 00:24:07,614 and demons possess them. 453 00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:09,749 But this quiet colonial house in Connecticut 454 00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:12,685 is said to be just such a place, and the Jones family 455 00:24:12,719 --> 00:24:15,822 who live here say they had no warning 456 00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:18,691 of the ghostly incidence they claim have occurred. 457 00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:24,096 MICHAEL: [scream] Mom! 458 00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:24,931 MOM JONES: I ran upstairs. 459 00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,200 Michael. 460 00:24:28,234 --> 00:24:30,102 MOM JONES: I thought maybe he had cut himself. 461 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,003 I really didn't know. 462 00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:35,474 Michael? 463 00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:40,813 And there was Michael just curled up, like it was a fetus. 464 00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:43,115 I mean, he was just frightened and shaking 465 00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:44,884 and crying hysterically, something 466 00:24:44,917 --> 00:24:47,720 I've never seen him do. 467 00:24:47,754 --> 00:24:49,622 ROBERT STACK: Michael Jones told his mother, Denise, 468 00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:50,690 he saw a man in the room. 469 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,030 But it was no ordinary man. 470 00:24:58,064 --> 00:25:00,733 Told him I was scared. 471 00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:03,670 He was standing in front of me and he reached out to me 472 00:25:03,703 --> 00:25:05,037 and he was smiling. 473 00:25:05,071 --> 00:25:07,940 And then he just disappeared. 474 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:11,110 The man-- he touched my shoulder. 475 00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:15,982 He was white, like a crayon color white. 476 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:17,650 He was a ghost. 477 00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:19,852 He said he was a ghost. 478 00:25:19,886 --> 00:25:21,253 Well, I thought maybe something 479 00:25:21,287 --> 00:25:23,055 was wrong with Michael. 480 00:25:23,089 --> 00:25:24,791 I can't say I didn't believe in ghosts, 481 00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,760 I just never experienced something. 482 00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:30,863 So I never thought it would happen to us. 483 00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:37,704 Michael Jones was just five years old when 484 00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:40,607 he says he saw his first ghost. 485 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,109 He claims the spirits have continued to invade his home 486 00:25:43,142 --> 00:25:45,311 and torment his family. 487 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,046 Do ghosts haunt the Jones' house, 488 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,681 or could there be another explanation 489 00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:50,416 for the extraordinary occurrences 490 00:25:50,449 --> 00:25:51,751 Michael has experienced? 491 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:58,124 Soon after Michael's episode in his bedroom, 492 00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:00,860 Denise drove her family to her parent's nearby home. 493 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:06,132 I was in the kitchen talking with my parents 494 00:26:06,165 --> 00:26:08,034 when Michael started screaming again. 495 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:08,935 Mom! 496 00:26:08,968 --> 00:26:09,902 What? 497 00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:10,803 Look! 498 00:26:10,837 --> 00:26:11,838 What's wrong? 499 00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:12,872 And he says, that's the man. 500 00:26:12,905 --> 00:26:13,773 That's the man. 501 00:26:13,806 --> 00:26:15,975 I says, Michael, what is the man? 502 00:26:16,008 --> 00:26:18,645 He says, that man up on the wall in the picture, 503 00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:21,080 that's the man I see. 504 00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,515 It's the old man. 505 00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:27,386 I saw the picture and I got scared because that was 506 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:29,588 the man that, um, that I saw. 507 00:26:29,622 --> 00:26:31,323 The man in the picture Michael was pointing to 508 00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:33,259 was my grandfather who had passed 509 00:26:33,292 --> 00:26:34,861 away when I was 10 years old. 510 00:26:34,894 --> 00:26:37,697 Michael had never met him. 511 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:39,098 ROBERT STACK: Until that evening, 512 00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:42,434 Michael had never seen a picture of his great grandfather, who 513 00:26:42,468 --> 00:26:46,739 had been dead over 17 years. 514 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:50,076 I felt safer that it wasn't like a bad person 515 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:51,477 that was going to hurt me. 516 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:55,181 And my mom said not be afraid of him because he was a good man, 517 00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:56,916 and she said not to be afraid of ghosts 518 00:26:56,949 --> 00:27:00,086 because they can't harm me. 519 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,253 ROBERT STACK: At this point, Denise 520 00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:02,855 didn't know what to think. 521 00:27:02,889 --> 00:27:05,892 Her son was supposedly being visited by her grandfather's 522 00:27:05,925 --> 00:27:08,427 ghost, and that wasn't all. 523 00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:10,830 Michael now believed evil spirits 524 00:27:10,863 --> 00:27:13,365 were also invading the home. 525 00:27:13,399 --> 00:27:15,301 One time, me and Michael were in his room 526 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:18,637 and I asked him what these things wanted from him. 527 00:27:18,671 --> 00:27:21,040 And I told him to talk to grandpa. 528 00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:22,842 Grandpa will protect him. 529 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:24,610 Grandpa said that some of the bad people 530 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,679 want me on their side. 531 00:27:26,713 --> 00:27:28,280 When I talk to my grandpa, he just 532 00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:31,550 said that there's a lot of ghosts in our house 533 00:27:31,583 --> 00:27:35,221 that are after me, and there's a lot of bad ones and good ones, 534 00:27:35,254 --> 00:27:39,458 and they're all fighting with each other. 535 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,861 ROBERT STACK: By now, they were convinced the invisible enemies 536 00:27:41,894 --> 00:27:43,395 were multiplying. 537 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:45,798 So Denise sought out a paranormal specialist 538 00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:49,268 to examine both Michael and her home. 539 00:27:49,301 --> 00:27:51,871 It's very important to be able to go in and determine 540 00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:53,439 that it is something supernatural 541 00:27:53,472 --> 00:27:56,642 that is occurring in the home. 542 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:59,311 ROBERT STACK: John Zaffis has been a paranormal investigator 543 00:27:59,345 --> 00:28:01,380 for 26 years. 544 00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:04,483 He has studied dozens of similar cases. 545 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:07,720 Zaffis spent hundreds of hours with Michael and his family, 546 00:28:07,754 --> 00:28:09,989 researching Michael's sightings firsthand. 547 00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,394 We usually have to go through all types 548 00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:19,398 of different evaluations, psychological, physical. 549 00:28:19,431 --> 00:28:21,868 I really would like it documented and known 550 00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:23,302 that there isn't anything physically 551 00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:25,204 or mentally wrong with these people 552 00:28:25,237 --> 00:28:26,338 that are going through this. 553 00:28:29,108 --> 00:28:31,377 ROBERT STACK: Hoping to get some answers for the strange goings 554 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:34,313 on, Denise says she submitted Michael to dozens 555 00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:38,117 of neurological evaluations. 556 00:28:38,150 --> 00:28:40,352 We went to the hospital a lot. 557 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:45,291 I had CAT scans and EEG, but they said everything was fine. 558 00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:47,559 They all say it's not medical. 559 00:28:47,593 --> 00:28:54,733 They realize it's very bizarre that Michael is a ghost boy. 560 00:28:54,767 --> 00:28:55,868 He sees ghosts. 561 00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:58,404 And there's nothing medically they can do. 562 00:29:01,707 --> 00:29:03,542 ROBERT STACK: Michael's psychological profile 563 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:06,178 also showed nothing unusual. 564 00:29:06,212 --> 00:29:07,947 But his drawings of what he claims 565 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:11,217 to be the most aggressive ghost, whom he calls the Black 566 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:15,087 Shadow Man, told another story. 567 00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:19,191 Every day I'd see him, the Shadow Man. 568 00:29:19,225 --> 00:29:21,293 It's not really the same shadow man. 569 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:23,896 It's just like a bunch of different ones. 570 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:25,564 I don't know why I see ghosts and all this 571 00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:26,398 is happening to me. 572 00:29:29,301 --> 00:29:31,370 ROBERT STACK: Zaffis's research uncovered that Michael 573 00:29:31,403 --> 00:29:33,372 was very ill at birth. 574 00:29:33,405 --> 00:29:37,343 His heart had stopped 26 times. 575 00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:39,812 With Michael, my explanation is that 576 00:29:39,846 --> 00:29:41,948 he had near-death experiences. 577 00:29:41,981 --> 00:29:46,052 I believe since birth he's had that ability where that door 578 00:29:46,085 --> 00:29:49,155 has been open for the spirit to be able to communicate 579 00:29:49,188 --> 00:29:50,890 back and forth with him. 580 00:29:50,923 --> 00:29:55,094 At this point, Michael is more under oppression. 581 00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:58,264 Oppression is the stage before possession. 582 00:29:58,297 --> 00:30:01,333 And I think it is at the point where 583 00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:05,838 it is trying very, very hard to be able to totally 584 00:30:05,872 --> 00:30:08,941 take Michael over. 585 00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:10,476 ROBERT STACK: According to Denise, 586 00:30:10,509 --> 00:30:14,713 it seemed the bad spirits were winning. 587 00:30:14,746 --> 00:30:16,748 One time me and my husband were 588 00:30:16,782 --> 00:30:19,886 downstairs, when all of a sudden we were 589 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,687 listening to banging upstairs. 590 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,655 We heard him scream and we heard 591 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:28,294 a thumping, so we ran upstairs. 592 00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,930 And Michael was on his bed like a little boy, scared. 593 00:30:30,963 --> 00:30:32,531 His bed was shaking up and down. 594 00:30:32,564 --> 00:30:37,536 The bed started shaking a lot, and it lifted up like 3 inches, 595 00:30:37,569 --> 00:30:39,271 and I just yelled for my mom. 596 00:30:39,305 --> 00:30:40,106 Mom! 597 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:47,046 And then it dropped and it stop shaking. 598 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,415 We all ran out of the house because we needed 599 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:51,683 to get a break from the house, because it's 600 00:30:51,717 --> 00:30:53,552 very scary in there. 601 00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:55,654 There was one time when I walked 602 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:59,058 into Michael's room something caught my peripheral vision. 603 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:11,237 I saw this shadow, and he just walked right across the wall. 604 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:14,473 I asked her, I said, is it six feet? 605 00:31:14,506 --> 00:31:15,607 And she said, yeah. 606 00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:17,376 And I said, is it just all black? 607 00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:21,780 She said, yeah, and I told that was the man I've been seeing. 608 00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,182 ROBERT STACK: Denise said Michael later 609 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:27,719 revealed that the evil spirits were physically tormenting him. 610 00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:29,188 Everything started getting worse 611 00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:32,391 and they started hitting me and scratching me and poking me. 612 00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:34,693 And it hurt. 613 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:37,363 Usually when there's a physical manifestation, 614 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:41,067 scratches, bite marks, this is definitely a sign 615 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,136 that something is either attached to that individual 616 00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:47,806 or it has some way gained access. 617 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,576 And at that point is where it could be very, very 618 00:31:50,609 --> 00:31:52,178 vulnerable where that person could 619 00:31:52,211 --> 00:31:54,380 go completely under possession. 620 00:31:57,616 --> 00:31:59,618 ROBERT STACK: To save her son from the intruders, 621 00:31:59,651 --> 00:32:01,687 Denise says she sold her home and moved 622 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,889 the family across town. 623 00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,757 But the new house was no refuge. 624 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,129 I was on the phone with my mother. 625 00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:12,764 Michael was sitting right next to me, to my left, 626 00:32:12,798 --> 00:32:16,468 watching TV, when all of a sudden, he started screaming. 627 00:32:20,439 --> 00:32:22,541 We just looked at my brother, and we just 628 00:32:22,574 --> 00:32:26,278 saw like a scrape going all the way up his arm, 629 00:32:26,312 --> 00:32:28,247 like it was drawing blood. 630 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:34,353 I felt a sharp pain, like a knife, but it hurt really bad. 631 00:32:34,386 --> 00:32:35,854 That was very horrifying. 632 00:32:35,887 --> 00:32:37,656 I mean, it was almost like I was on top 633 00:32:37,689 --> 00:32:39,358 of him trying to protect him, and I 634 00:32:39,391 --> 00:32:42,694 still could not protect my son. 635 00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:46,732 After this incident, we needed someone who dealt with this. 636 00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:50,569 And I was able to find the bishop, who 637 00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:53,339 agreed to give it the exorcism. 638 00:32:53,372 --> 00:32:55,741 ROBERT STACK: As frightening as an exorcism sounded, 639 00:32:55,774 --> 00:33:00,246 Denise felt it was the only way to save Michael. 640 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,981 They started performing the exorcism in Latin. 641 00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:07,953 I could tell there was something wrong with Michael. 642 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,122 He kept looking to one side of the church. 643 00:33:14,126 --> 00:33:18,130 And I saw the shadow man in the front left corner 644 00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:20,999 of the room of the church, and I could 645 00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:24,836 see his whole body and his feet, and he was just standing, 646 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,738 and he was all black. 647 00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:30,409 And my stomach started burning, and I told the priest, 648 00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:34,012 and he gave me a cup of holy water and said, drink this. 649 00:33:37,383 --> 00:33:41,320 I was praying to God that it was going to work and help, 650 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:45,491 and that Michael might be granted some relief. 651 00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:47,926 Although we were told it might not be the end all, 652 00:33:47,959 --> 00:33:49,328 it might have to be repeated, there 653 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:53,332 may need to be a house exorcism, we were aware of that. 654 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:55,934 And they were right, because about three 655 00:33:55,967 --> 00:33:57,969 weeks later it all began again. 656 00:34:02,774 --> 00:34:04,110 ROBERT STACK: To this day, very little 657 00:34:04,143 --> 00:34:06,845 has changed at the Jones' household. 658 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:10,682 Over the past few years, Michael has undergone four exorcisms, 659 00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:12,751 and his family has moved eight times. 660 00:34:12,784 --> 00:34:15,721 Although these things always seem to provide relief, 661 00:34:15,754 --> 00:34:16,955 it is usually temporary. 662 00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:23,862 Today Michael still has negative attacks, 663 00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:26,932 and he also sees spirits. 664 00:34:26,965 --> 00:34:30,502 We just live one day at a time. 665 00:34:30,536 --> 00:34:33,905 It hurts when I see my son going through this. 666 00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:37,509 I don't know what to do. 667 00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:40,812 Do I see a brighter future for Michael and the family? 668 00:34:40,846 --> 00:34:42,080 Absolutely. 669 00:34:42,114 --> 00:34:44,583 There's many of families that go through this 670 00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:46,385 and it's very difficult. And it's 671 00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:47,886 like the old saying goes, it's always 672 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,656 the darkest before the dawn. 673 00:34:50,689 --> 00:34:53,925 Pretty much everything's been hard for me. 674 00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:57,963 So everything that's happened has been hard. 675 00:34:57,996 --> 00:34:59,331 And I'm getting used to it. 676 00:35:15,281 --> 00:35:16,615 ROBERT STACK: Nadine Jelovcic is worried 677 00:35:16,648 --> 00:35:18,617 about her sister, Margie. 678 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:21,320 Without explanation, Margie has abruptly 679 00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:25,056 left her home in Gary, Indiana. 680 00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:26,758 I was looking for clues. 681 00:35:26,792 --> 00:35:28,160 Did she write something down? 682 00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:31,363 Did she leave something that I could pick up on 683 00:35:31,397 --> 00:35:32,598 to know that she would return? 684 00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:36,802 I looked in the closets. 685 00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:40,539 Luggage was there, clothes were there, all of her things, 686 00:35:40,572 --> 00:35:42,674 so whatever she left with, it had 687 00:35:42,708 --> 00:35:44,710 to be just enough for a few days, 688 00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:46,912 not enough to be for a long period of time. 689 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:54,220 Nadine is puzzled to find many personal items Margie never 690 00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:58,490 leaves behind when she travels, but the most baffling of all 691 00:35:58,524 --> 00:36:01,159 is Margie's inhaler, which she needs for her asthma. 692 00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:14,906 Wherever she has gone, she has not traveled there in her car. 693 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:17,243 Her family is as perplexed as they are worried. 694 00:36:21,447 --> 00:36:25,116 Did Margie Jelovcic suddenly leave of her own free will, 695 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:27,185 or was she the victim of foul play? 696 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:31,590 Over the previous year, Margie's life 697 00:36:31,623 --> 00:36:35,294 had been turned upside down by a series of turbulent events. 698 00:36:35,327 --> 00:36:37,896 Her puzzling disappearance may be the final result 699 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:39,931 of that turmoil. 700 00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:41,667 Margie's sister, Nadine, suspected 701 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,902 she was in hiding with a dangerous fugitive named 702 00:36:43,935 --> 00:36:45,771 Randy Yager. 703 00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:48,139 How she became involved with such a man 704 00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:52,278 is a story as unlikely as it is tragic. 705 00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:54,513 Six months before her disappearance, 706 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:57,215 Margie's life seemed ideal. 707 00:36:57,249 --> 00:37:00,852 She was fulfilling her dream as a musician, playing violin 708 00:37:00,886 --> 00:37:03,455 in the Detroit Orchestra. 709 00:37:03,489 --> 00:37:06,658 She was also a happy newlywed, planning a bright future 710 00:37:06,692 --> 00:37:09,127 with her husband Nasser. 711 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,397 But just six months after their wedding, 712 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:15,701 he was killed in a traffic accident. 713 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,603 Margie was shattered. 714 00:37:17,636 --> 00:37:20,238 She decided to quit her job in the orchestra, 715 00:37:20,272 --> 00:37:24,676 leave Michigan, and moved back to her hometown, Gary, Indiana. 716 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:27,346 There she sought the security she had always found 717 00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:29,915 with her mother and sister. 718 00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:32,584 It was really hard for her, because she was so used 719 00:37:32,618 --> 00:37:35,621 to being in Michigan with all her friends, school, 720 00:37:35,654 --> 00:37:38,624 and work and everything. 721 00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:39,958 It was really, really hard on her. 722 00:37:39,991 --> 00:37:42,428 She spent a lot of time crying and trying to decide what 723 00:37:42,461 --> 00:37:44,696 to do, and she insisted to come back and help 724 00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:45,564 my mom with the business. 725 00:37:49,535 --> 00:37:51,002 ROBERT STACK: Margie coped with her despair 726 00:37:51,036 --> 00:37:53,839 by immersing herself in her new job. 727 00:37:53,872 --> 00:37:57,809 She managed the night shift at the tavern owned by her mother. 728 00:37:57,843 --> 00:38:02,348 There she first encountered Randy Yager. 729 00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:03,315 What's your name? 730 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:04,650 I haven't seen you here before. 731 00:38:04,683 --> 00:38:05,551 My name's Margie. 732 00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:06,618 Margie, how do you do? 733 00:38:06,652 --> 00:38:08,554 My name's Randy. 734 00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:10,589 Randy was one of the highest ranking members 735 00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:13,892 of a notorious biker gang called the Outlaws. 736 00:38:13,925 --> 00:38:16,362 He possessed an allure tailor-made to charm 737 00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:18,196 a vulnerable young widow. 738 00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:20,666 I think that he complimented her in ways that she needed 739 00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:24,035 to be complimented, and she needed, perhaps, 740 00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:26,338 those accolades that made her feel good. 741 00:38:26,372 --> 00:38:30,241 And he knew how to say the right things to charm her, 742 00:38:30,275 --> 00:38:33,412 and she in turn was charmed by him. 743 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:35,313 Well, you should hook up with us sometime. 744 00:38:35,347 --> 00:38:36,982 I mean, meet a lot of new people, 745 00:38:37,015 --> 00:38:38,384 go out have a good time. 746 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:39,651 Maybe. 747 00:38:39,685 --> 00:38:41,553 ROBERT STACK: Randy's charisma masked a darker side 748 00:38:41,587 --> 00:38:42,888 to his personality. 749 00:38:46,692 --> 00:38:49,395 Margie had no idea he was an ex-convict 750 00:38:49,428 --> 00:38:50,829 with a long criminal record. 751 00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:02,908 His apt nickname was Mad. 752 00:39:02,941 --> 00:39:04,910 He and other members of the Outlaws 753 00:39:04,943 --> 00:39:06,878 were then under federal investigation 754 00:39:06,912 --> 00:39:10,716 for racketeering, drug dealing, and murder. 755 00:39:10,749 --> 00:39:13,351 Two of the Outlaw members murdered this old couple 756 00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:16,254 because they had a lot of money inside their house, 757 00:39:16,287 --> 00:39:19,157 and actually stabbed them with a screwdriver through the throat. 758 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:25,030 I mean, these are bad people that do that. 759 00:39:25,063 --> 00:39:29,401 ROBERT STACK: Soon after they met, Margie began dating Yager. 760 00:39:29,435 --> 00:39:31,970 Margie was a good girl, for lack 761 00:39:32,003 --> 00:39:33,304 of a better term, who seems to have 762 00:39:33,338 --> 00:39:35,006 taken a walk on the wild side. 763 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,844 This is uncharacteristic from what I've learned of her 764 00:39:38,877 --> 00:39:40,912 through interviews and stuff. 765 00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:42,180 ROBERT STACK: At what point she became 766 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,915 aware of his criminal activities, 767 00:39:43,949 --> 00:39:46,418 her family does not know. 768 00:39:46,452 --> 00:39:48,386 The only thing they knew for certain 769 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:51,089 was that Margie began to change. 770 00:39:51,122 --> 00:39:52,824 NADINE JELOVCIC DEREK: She became extremely distant. 771 00:39:52,858 --> 00:39:54,325 How about I make you some coffee? 772 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:55,694 No, I got to go. 773 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:56,862 You sure? 774 00:39:56,895 --> 00:40:00,131 She became distant with me and my children, 775 00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,834 and distant with the customers. 776 00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:05,403 And I don't know whether she was told to be distant, 777 00:40:05,437 --> 00:40:08,239 to not to speak, or she just totally started 778 00:40:08,273 --> 00:40:09,708 to remove herself from society. 779 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,079 ROBERT STACK: Three months into her relationship 780 00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:17,382 with Yager, Margie left with him on a trip to Las Vegas. 781 00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:23,154 They were unaware that at that very moment, 782 00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:25,724 United States marshals had begun an operation 783 00:40:25,757 --> 00:40:28,560 to arrest Randy and several members of the Outlaws. 784 00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:34,833 48 hours later, news of the operation 785 00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:37,202 reached Margie's mother. 786 00:40:37,235 --> 00:40:40,906 17 members of the Outlaws were indicted for a Midwest crime 787 00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:45,076 spree, that included bombings, robberies, and six murders, 788 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:49,414 but US marshals had been unable to locate Randy Yager. 789 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:53,018 I saw the pictures and I said, oh my god, my daughter 790 00:40:53,051 --> 00:40:54,920 went with that man, you know? 791 00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:56,822 Oh my god, what's going to happen to her now? 792 00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:00,792 ROBERT STACK: Federal agents rapidly 793 00:41:00,826 --> 00:41:02,093 tracked Yager to Las Vegas. 794 00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:07,766 But it was too late. 795 00:41:07,799 --> 00:41:11,202 He and Margie had apparently fled the city. 796 00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:12,337 The first thing I could think of 797 00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:14,405 was, was he going to hurt her? 798 00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:15,774 Was she going to be in harm's way 799 00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:19,778 because she's with this guy who now everyone in the country 800 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,213 is looking for, and she's with him. 801 00:41:22,247 --> 00:41:26,251 And what if by mistake they find him and they hurt her? 802 00:41:26,284 --> 00:41:28,353 ROBERT STACK: Two weeks passed. 803 00:41:28,386 --> 00:41:31,990 Then Margie returned to Gary safe but shaken. 804 00:41:32,023 --> 00:41:36,061 Strangely, her devotion to Yager was stronger than ever. 805 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:38,429 According to her family, she was consumed 806 00:41:38,463 --> 00:41:41,900 by irrational fears of the authorities pursuing him. 807 00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:43,368 Is everything all right? 808 00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:45,036 Yeah, everything's fine, mom. 809 00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:46,171 Do you want to talk? 810 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:49,040 No, I don't want to talk. 811 00:41:49,074 --> 00:41:52,811 She felt that they would try and find him through her. 812 00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:55,714 She was led to believe that her apartment was bugged, 813 00:41:55,747 --> 00:41:59,317 that people were following her in her parking lot. 814 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:01,887 She had an extreme paranoia. 815 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,422 And I said, Marge, what should you be paranoid about? 816 00:42:04,455 --> 00:42:05,356 Nobody's after you. 817 00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:06,191 You've not done a thing. 818 00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:13,398 ROBERT STACK: Three months after her return, 819 00:42:13,431 --> 00:42:17,535 Margie mysteriously disappeared. 820 00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:21,439 At first it just seemed that she had run off 821 00:42:21,472 --> 00:42:25,010 and joined Yager wherever he was at. 822 00:42:25,043 --> 00:42:26,945 But upon investigation, we found out 823 00:42:26,978 --> 00:42:29,214 that she had taken none of her clothes, 824 00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:31,049 her car, or anything else. 825 00:42:31,082 --> 00:42:34,085 It just seemed that she was gone. 826 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,623 We're really not sure what happened there. 827 00:42:37,656 --> 00:42:38,757 ROBERT STACK: Did Margie willingly 828 00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:41,226 join her fugitive boyfriend, or could 829 00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:45,030 something more sinister explain her abrupt disappearance? 830 00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:50,268 Margie's family believes that even if she 831 00:42:50,301 --> 00:42:52,804 is with Randy Yager, she is no longer 832 00:42:52,838 --> 00:42:55,807 his girlfriend, but his victim. 833 00:42:55,841 --> 00:42:57,676 I feel that he is holding her back 834 00:42:57,709 --> 00:43:00,578 and he won't let her communicate her family, and at this point 835 00:43:00,612 --> 00:43:02,113 he's brainwashed her. 836 00:43:02,147 --> 00:43:04,349 Because this is so out of character for Margie 837 00:43:04,382 --> 00:43:05,651 not to make a phone call to us. 838 00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,255 ROBERT STACK: It is possible, however, that Margie 839 00:43:10,288 --> 00:43:12,858 has attempted to do just that. 840 00:43:12,891 --> 00:43:14,425 Hello? 841 00:43:14,459 --> 00:43:15,894 ROBERT STACK: Over the past four years, 842 00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:18,697 her mother has fielded several mysterious calls, 843 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:21,700 all in the morning before her tavern opens. 844 00:43:21,733 --> 00:43:25,637 The caller never speaks, and only after a long pause, 845 00:43:25,671 --> 00:43:27,372 hangs up. 846 00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:29,841 For Margie's family, the baffling calls 847 00:43:29,875 --> 00:43:35,280 offer the slender hope that they will one day see her again. 848 00:43:35,313 --> 00:43:36,314 I want Margie. 849 00:43:36,347 --> 00:43:38,616 I want her to come home. 850 00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:42,020 I want to hear her voice, and whatever she did, she did. 851 00:43:42,053 --> 00:43:43,188 But come home. 852 00:43:43,221 --> 00:43:45,957 My heart and my door is always open for her. 853 00:43:45,991 --> 00:43:47,058 I'm waiting for her. 854 00:44:15,386 --> 00:44:18,356 Join me next time for another intriguing edition 855 00:44:18,389 --> 00:44:21,592 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 68546

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