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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,140 --> 00:00:09,077 ANNOUNCER: Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries. 2 00:00:09,177 --> 00:00:10,511 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Michelle O'Malley 3 00:00:10,611 --> 00:00:12,813 says it started with a single vivid dream 4 00:00:12,913 --> 00:00:15,049 about her deceased grandfather. 5 00:00:15,149 --> 00:00:18,586 Over time, the dreams became more frequent and more real, 6 00:00:18,686 --> 00:00:20,854 leaving Michelle convinced that her grandfather's 7 00:00:20,954 --> 00:00:22,956 spirit was actually communicating 8 00:00:23,057 --> 00:00:26,260 with her from beyond the grave. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,329 In Connecticut, a wealthy community 10 00:00:28,429 --> 00:00:31,799 is shocked by the brutal death of a 15-year-old girl. 11 00:00:31,899 --> 00:00:33,967 Does the key to her murder lie with the sons 12 00:00:34,068 --> 00:00:38,639 of a prominent family who lived across the street? 13 00:00:38,739 --> 00:00:41,709 For Jean Warren, a foster child named Rodger Lindsley became 14 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:44,078 the loving son she never had. 15 00:00:44,178 --> 00:00:46,380 But after three years together, the authorities 16 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,416 placed Rodger with another family, 17 00:00:48,516 --> 00:00:50,484 launching Jean on a poignant search that has 18 00:00:50,584 --> 00:00:53,787 spanned nearly three decades. 19 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:55,723 Also, we've traveled here to Washington state 20 00:00:55,823 --> 00:00:57,725 for a startling report. 21 00:00:57,825 --> 00:00:59,827 New information has surfaced on the baffling 22 00:00:59,927 --> 00:01:03,397 case of the Green River Killer. 23 00:01:03,497 --> 00:01:06,567 Over a two year period, it claimed at least 49 victims, 24 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:08,236 all of them young women. 25 00:01:08,336 --> 00:01:09,937 He set in motion one of the greatest 26 00:01:10,037 --> 00:01:12,606 criminal investigations in history, 27 00:01:12,706 --> 00:01:15,343 yet no arrest was ever made, and the name of the killer 28 00:01:15,443 --> 00:01:17,745 remains a mystery. 29 00:01:17,845 --> 00:01:21,915 Incredibly, this man claims to know what the police do not, 30 00:01:22,015 --> 00:01:25,919 the identity of the Green River Killer. 31 00:01:26,019 --> 00:01:28,622 It all began here along the Green River near Kent, 32 00:01:28,722 --> 00:01:31,125 Washington, where the bodies of the first victims 33 00:01:31,225 --> 00:01:33,627 were found in 1982. 34 00:01:33,727 --> 00:01:37,431 More than a decade later, the search for answers continues. 35 00:01:37,531 --> 00:01:42,770 Join me with this fascinating edition of Unsolved Mysteries. 36 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:44,272 [mysterious music] 37 00:02:35,456 --> 00:02:37,558 What happens when we die? 38 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:39,860 Is there a life beyond this one? 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,629 Remarkably, four out of 10 people 40 00:02:41,729 --> 00:02:43,997 say they've experienced some form of communication 41 00:02:44,097 --> 00:02:47,067 with the dead, often through dreams. 42 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:50,103 These visits are called direct contacts. 43 00:02:50,204 --> 00:02:52,506 What makes them unique is the specific, previously 44 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:56,444 unknown information passed on to those who have been visited. 45 00:02:56,544 --> 00:02:58,279 Consider the case of Michelle O'Malley 46 00:02:58,379 --> 00:02:59,480 in Portsmouth, Virginia. 47 00:03:04,785 --> 00:03:07,488 It was November 15th, 1993. 48 00:03:07,588 --> 00:03:10,558 Three months after the birth of Michelle's son, Benjamin, 49 00:03:10,658 --> 00:03:14,127 that evening, Michelle had an extraordinary dream, 50 00:03:14,228 --> 00:03:17,164 the first direct contact with her deceased grandfather. 51 00:03:20,434 --> 00:03:22,202 MICHELLE (VOICEOVER): In the dream, I saw my grandfather 52 00:03:22,303 --> 00:03:23,271 and he came up to me. 53 00:03:23,371 --> 00:03:25,639 And he asked me-- 54 00:03:25,739 --> 00:03:27,841 Did you make that French toast? 55 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:29,510 MICHELLE (VOICEOVER): And all throughout my dream, 56 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:31,011 he kept coming up saying-- 57 00:03:31,111 --> 00:03:33,146 Did you make that French toast? 58 00:03:33,247 --> 00:03:35,148 MICHELLE: At first, I thought it was just one of those things 59 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:37,385 where I must have had him on my mind. 60 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:41,655 And you know, thinking it was just a dream. 61 00:03:41,755 --> 00:03:47,194 And I asked one of the family members. 62 00:03:47,295 --> 00:03:49,129 And they said, oh yes. 63 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:50,731 He loved French toast. 64 00:03:50,831 --> 00:03:51,732 You know? 65 00:03:51,832 --> 00:03:53,033 And I was like, OK. 66 00:03:53,133 --> 00:03:54,802 Well, this must be a coincidence. 67 00:03:57,405 --> 00:03:58,439 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Michelle 68 00:03:58,539 --> 00:04:00,040 was just 10 when her grandfather, 69 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:02,276 Benjamin, passed away. 70 00:04:02,376 --> 00:04:04,945 As she grew up, specific memories faded, 71 00:04:05,045 --> 00:04:07,214 but Michelle never forgot his warmth, 72 00:04:07,315 --> 00:04:10,818 his strength, his kindness. 73 00:04:10,918 --> 00:04:13,721 Michelle always knew she would name her first son Benjamin, 74 00:04:13,821 --> 00:04:15,689 in honor of her grandfather. 75 00:04:15,789 --> 00:04:18,125 But she never imagined the profound impact 76 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:19,760 it was to have upon her life. 77 00:04:24,231 --> 00:04:27,468 A second dream came just days after the first. 78 00:04:27,568 --> 00:04:29,970 Michelle's grandfather reappeared with a message 79 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:34,308 for his son, Greg, Michelle's father. 80 00:04:34,408 --> 00:04:37,711 Michelle, tell Greg to get a pail of water 81 00:04:37,811 --> 00:04:40,448 and meet me at the railroad tracks. 82 00:04:40,548 --> 00:04:41,949 MICHELLE: I didn't know it was all in my head 83 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:44,184 again, like the French toast or not. 84 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:46,987 And I asked my dad, I said what did he mean by this? 85 00:04:47,087 --> 00:04:48,622 And I was just stunned. 86 00:04:48,722 --> 00:04:49,857 I didn't say anything. 87 00:04:49,957 --> 00:04:52,460 She says, does that make any sense? 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,128 I says it makes perfect sense. 89 00:04:55,228 --> 00:04:57,197 Now Greg, one of the things we've got to watch out for-- 90 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:58,332 GREG (VOICEOVER): And I remembered 91 00:04:58,432 --> 00:04:59,967 back when I was a child. 92 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:04,672 He had asked me on Labor Day to go fishing with him. 93 00:05:04,772 --> 00:05:05,806 BENJAMIN: Take a look at this. 94 00:05:05,906 --> 00:05:07,841 GREG (VOICEOVER): And I remember taking the pail 95 00:05:07,941 --> 00:05:09,843 and caught an eel. 96 00:05:09,943 --> 00:05:11,278 Yes, we got we got another one. 97 00:05:11,379 --> 00:05:12,680 Hooray, fantastic! 98 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:14,948 GREG (VOICEOVER): And my job was to carry it back in the pail. 99 00:05:15,048 --> 00:05:17,050 And it was kind of a scary, scary thought. 100 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:18,719 I mean, those things squirming around in this pail 101 00:05:18,819 --> 00:05:22,189 walking back with it. 102 00:05:22,289 --> 00:05:25,025 Michelle had no way of knowing. 103 00:05:25,125 --> 00:05:26,827 I became a believer at that point. 104 00:05:26,927 --> 00:05:29,062 I knew that it wasn't something she 105 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:31,064 was just remembering, bits and pieces 106 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:32,866 of memories from her childhood. 107 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:34,435 That these were things that she could 108 00:05:34,535 --> 00:05:36,504 possibly have no knowledge of. 109 00:05:36,604 --> 00:05:41,341 One of the most fascinating evidences of life after death 110 00:05:41,442 --> 00:05:44,745 contained in direct contacts is the fact 111 00:05:44,845 --> 00:05:46,747 that the loved ones who have passed on 112 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:51,018 will often through particularly vivid dreams 113 00:05:51,118 --> 00:05:54,187 tell us little bits of information, tell us things 114 00:05:54,287 --> 00:05:56,256 that we could not possibly know. 115 00:05:56,356 --> 00:06:00,227 Michelle, I'm so happy you named him Benjamin. 116 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:02,496 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Over time, Michelle's dreams began 117 00:06:02,596 --> 00:06:04,665 to feel more and more real. 118 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,667 Michelle actually appeared in some dreams 119 00:06:06,767 --> 00:06:09,437 herself, conversing with her grandfather. 120 00:06:09,537 --> 00:06:14,442 I'm so proud of my grandchildren. 121 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:19,647 Michelle, ask Greg if he knows your uncle's Purple Heart is. 122 00:06:19,747 --> 00:06:21,849 What purple heart, grandpa? 123 00:06:21,949 --> 00:06:25,018 When I asked my father about the Purple Heart, 124 00:06:25,118 --> 00:06:27,187 my dad was like, no, Michelle. 125 00:06:27,287 --> 00:06:29,089 You know, none of my uncles, not that I know of, 126 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:30,958 had a Purple Heart. 127 00:06:31,058 --> 00:06:33,461 And one day, I happened to be speaking to my mother. 128 00:06:33,561 --> 00:06:35,729 And I asked her about it, and she says, oh yeah. 129 00:06:35,829 --> 00:06:40,333 She says your uncle got a Purple Heart, and she had it. 130 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:43,537 And it was wrapped in a flag, which my father had also 131 00:06:43,637 --> 00:06:45,506 told Michelle that that's the way she 132 00:06:45,606 --> 00:06:46,574 would find the Purple Heart. 133 00:06:49,276 --> 00:06:50,511 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The dreams 134 00:06:50,611 --> 00:06:54,147 began to take Michelle to places she had never been before, 135 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:57,117 places her grandfather spent some of the happiest days 136 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:58,185 of his life. 137 00:06:58,285 --> 00:06:59,086 MICHELLE: Grandpa? 138 00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:03,957 Grandpa? 139 00:07:04,057 --> 00:07:05,058 We're late for the track. 140 00:07:09,897 --> 00:07:10,698 I'm sorry, honey. 141 00:07:10,798 --> 00:07:11,599 You have to go back. 142 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:12,833 Now go on home. 143 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:15,836 But tell Greg I've got his lucky pencil. 144 00:07:15,936 --> 00:07:17,738 MICHELLE (VOICEOVER): I thought now I'm really losing it. 145 00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:20,140 This did not make sense whatsoever. 146 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,442 So I called dad. 147 00:07:22,543 --> 00:07:24,678 When I told him about the lucky pencil, 148 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,415 dad just sat there again on the phone and he was real quiet. 149 00:07:28,516 --> 00:07:32,452 And he told me that when he was a little boy, 150 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:34,888 they used to all go to the racetrack. 151 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:37,658 Lucky pencils, get your lucky pencils! 152 00:07:37,758 --> 00:07:39,459 GREG (VOICEOVER): My mom had a box of pencils, 153 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,229 of little stubs and full length ones. 154 00:07:42,329 --> 00:07:44,131 And I took that down off the shelf, 155 00:07:44,231 --> 00:07:46,299 and I stood at the gate of the racetrack, 156 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:47,968 and sold lucky pencils. 157 00:07:48,068 --> 00:07:49,302 Lucky pencils, get your lucky pencils! 158 00:07:49,402 --> 00:07:50,137 Would you like to buy a lucky pencil? 159 00:07:50,237 --> 00:07:51,505 No? 160 00:07:51,605 --> 00:07:55,142 GREG: She was coming up with little nuances that I had no-- 161 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:58,812 I couldn't imagine how she was picking these things up, 162 00:07:58,912 --> 00:08:00,581 because we had never talked about it. 163 00:08:00,681 --> 00:08:02,415 And there would be no way for her to know these things. 164 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:09,923 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Another dream at the racetrack 165 00:08:10,023 --> 00:08:13,326 brought more information and the unexpected appearance 166 00:08:13,426 --> 00:08:15,696 of family members Michelle had never met. 167 00:08:17,598 --> 00:08:18,398 BILL: Michelle? 168 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:19,633 Hey, Michelle. 169 00:08:19,733 --> 00:08:20,701 Come on up. 170 00:08:20,801 --> 00:08:21,869 Come on. - Come on. 171 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:23,436 MICHELLE (VOICEOVER): I walked up the bleachers 172 00:08:23,537 --> 00:08:24,337 after they called. 173 00:08:24,437 --> 00:08:27,507 I did not recognize them. 174 00:08:27,608 --> 00:08:28,609 Honey, you remember me. 175 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:30,377 It's you're uncle, Don. 176 00:08:30,477 --> 00:08:31,478 Remember your uncle, Bill? 177 00:08:31,579 --> 00:08:32,512 Uncle Bill. 178 00:08:32,613 --> 00:08:34,381 Oh, it's so good to see you, sweetie. 179 00:08:34,481 --> 00:08:35,783 Is my grandpa here? 180 00:08:35,883 --> 00:08:37,050 Oh, your grandpa. He's here, honey. 181 00:08:37,150 --> 00:08:38,786 He's down with the guy who runs the time on the times 182 00:08:38,886 --> 00:08:39,853 on the horses every morning. 183 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:41,154 MICHELLE (VOICEOVER): Come to find out, 184 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:44,858 my uncle said that yes, my grandfather 185 00:08:44,958 --> 00:08:47,327 used to talk to a man who would clock 186 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:48,829 the horses in the morning. 187 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:52,099 And he would try to get the good score so he would know 188 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:54,935 who to bet on during that time. 189 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:58,772 So yeah, and I had no way of knowing that, none. 190 00:09:02,776 --> 00:09:06,279 He said he will always watch over me and Benjamin. 191 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:09,149 So in the way, I look at it as a guardian angel. 192 00:09:11,819 --> 00:09:14,387 I often wondered why me? - He's so beautiful. 193 00:09:14,487 --> 00:09:15,455 He's such a good-- 194 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,024 JOEL: Michelle had named her baby Benjamin, 195 00:09:17,124 --> 00:09:18,458 after her grandfather. 196 00:09:18,558 --> 00:09:20,527 I believe that's the reason grandpa came back to her. 197 00:09:20,628 --> 00:09:22,596 It was a way of affirming that he's there. 198 00:09:22,696 --> 00:09:24,364 It was a way also, of saying thank you. 199 00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:25,766 Hey, that's nice. 200 00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:28,368 Just the way if somebody here on earth named child after you, 201 00:09:28,468 --> 00:09:29,269 you'd say well, thank you. 202 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:30,170 How flattering. 203 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:31,071 That was all. 204 00:09:33,707 --> 00:09:35,976 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two years and more than 100 dreams 205 00:09:36,076 --> 00:09:39,212 later, Michelle O'Malley looks forward to each encounter 206 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:42,249 with her grandfather, just as one would anticipate 207 00:09:42,349 --> 00:09:45,318 the visit of an old friend. 208 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:46,887 MICHELLE (VOICEOVER): I just kind of look at it 209 00:09:46,987 --> 00:09:49,957 as a blessing, a gift. 210 00:09:50,057 --> 00:09:53,861 One thing he did tell me was that I was going to help 211 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:56,229 a lot of people with my story. 212 00:09:56,329 --> 00:10:00,400 And I don't know how I'll know that, but I believe him. 213 00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:04,905 Because when Grandpa speaks, I listen. 214 00:10:05,005 --> 00:10:06,740 Michelle, tell Greg to get a pail of water 215 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:07,941 and meet me at the river. 216 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:09,142 Did you make that French toast? 217 00:10:09,242 --> 00:10:10,844 So happy you named him Benjamin. 218 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:11,845 Because your next child-- 219 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:13,647 Tell Greg I've got his lucky pencil. 220 00:10:16,083 --> 00:10:17,117 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Is there 221 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:19,319 an earthly explanation for Michelle O'Malley's 222 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:21,655 extraordinary experiences? 223 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:25,025 A skeptic might say her dreams are just wishful thinking. 224 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:28,028 That hardly matters to Michelle, who credits the visions 225 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,231 of her grandfather with teaching her the true meaning of family. 226 00:10:35,568 --> 00:10:37,938 Next, a special report. 227 00:10:38,038 --> 00:10:40,708 This man believes he has evidence that the Green River 228 00:10:40,808 --> 00:10:43,777 Killer was his own brother. 229 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:46,847 And later, murder rocks a wealthy community 230 00:10:46,947 --> 00:10:49,616 and two teenage boys become suspects. 231 00:10:49,717 --> 00:10:51,084 [mysterious music] 232 00:11:02,529 --> 00:11:04,664 I'm standing by the Green River, 13 miles 233 00:11:04,765 --> 00:11:07,167 south of Seattle, Washington. 234 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,002 It was here in the summer of 1982 235 00:11:09,102 --> 00:11:12,272 that the bodies of five young women were found. 236 00:11:12,372 --> 00:11:15,442 It was the beginning of the hunt for a heinous mass murder, 237 00:11:15,542 --> 00:11:17,544 a hunt that has yet to end. 238 00:11:17,644 --> 00:11:20,247 Tonight, we'll re-examine this disturbing case 239 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:23,216 and take a closer look at one of the key suspects, 240 00:11:23,316 --> 00:11:26,586 a man who many believe was the infamous Green River Killer. 241 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:31,458 It remains the largest unsolved serial 242 00:11:31,558 --> 00:11:33,994 murder case in US history. 243 00:11:34,094 --> 00:11:38,732 Two years, 49 victims, all young females. 244 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:41,969 Most of them prostitutes who operated along the SeaTac Strip 245 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:44,471 near the Seattle-Tacoma airport. 246 00:11:44,571 --> 00:11:47,607 Nearly all of them strangled and dumped in a remote area. 247 00:11:50,844 --> 00:11:53,246 Thousands of leads were investigated, hundreds 248 00:11:53,346 --> 00:11:55,415 of suspects interrogated. 249 00:11:55,515 --> 00:11:58,518 Today, more than a decade later, one man in particular 250 00:11:58,618 --> 00:11:59,787 stands out. 251 00:11:59,887 --> 00:12:01,922 His name, William J. Stevens. 252 00:12:05,959 --> 00:12:08,628 Bill Stevens was a petty thief, in and out of trouble 253 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:11,064 with the law for most of his life. 254 00:12:11,164 --> 00:12:14,667 In 1981, he simply walked away from a minimum security 255 00:12:14,768 --> 00:12:18,271 facility where he was serving time for burglary. 256 00:12:18,371 --> 00:12:20,207 Over the next eight years, Stevens 257 00:12:20,307 --> 00:12:22,109 avoided the authorities, dividing 258 00:12:22,209 --> 00:12:27,314 his time between Seattle, Spokane, and Portland, Oregon. 259 00:12:27,414 --> 00:12:31,084 THORP: Bill Stevens was an alienated, 260 00:12:31,184 --> 00:12:34,888 disaffected individual who never held a job. 261 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:39,626 He fit all the FBI profiles of serial killers. 262 00:12:39,726 --> 00:12:42,695 His poor relationships with women, 263 00:12:42,796 --> 00:12:47,334 a mother who throttled his personality in development. 264 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:50,270 He was raging to his friends about how 265 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:53,540 with the prostitutes of the SeaTac Strip 266 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,708 were spreading the AIDS epidemic. 267 00:12:55,809 --> 00:13:01,048 My brother told people on several occasions 268 00:13:01,148 --> 00:13:02,249 that he wanted to kill women. 269 00:13:02,349 --> 00:13:03,884 He wanted to torture them. 270 00:13:03,984 --> 00:13:08,488 He wanted to cut them up, dissect them. 271 00:13:08,588 --> 00:13:12,425 He wanted to fill them with rocks. 272 00:13:12,525 --> 00:13:15,628 He wanted to fill them with concrete. 273 00:13:15,728 --> 00:13:18,398 And he wanted-- still put all of this on tape. 274 00:13:18,498 --> 00:13:21,201 He thought that would be neat. 275 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,336 Green County police. 276 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:25,538 Chris, take the back. 277 00:13:25,638 --> 00:13:28,208 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): January, 1989. 278 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,878 Acting on several tips, police search Steven's 279 00:13:30,978 --> 00:13:33,013 parents' house in Spokane. 280 00:13:33,113 --> 00:13:36,249 They uncovered a cache of guns and police badges. 281 00:13:36,349 --> 00:13:39,119 They also found dozens of Polaroids of nude women, 282 00:13:39,219 --> 00:13:40,487 most of them prostitutes. 283 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:45,725 In another room, police came upon dozens 284 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:49,129 of pornographic tapes and fraudulent credit card receipts 285 00:13:49,229 --> 00:13:53,266 from 1981 to 1989, covering the years 286 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:56,336 of the Green River killings. 287 00:13:56,436 --> 00:14:00,273 Stevens also had a fully equipped police car, 288 00:14:00,373 --> 00:14:01,641 which he had managed to get registered 289 00:14:01,741 --> 00:14:04,277 to a non-existent city. 290 00:14:04,377 --> 00:14:08,982 He had an ambulance, a police motorcycle. 291 00:14:09,082 --> 00:14:13,553 Those factors tended to make him more of a suspect, in that it 292 00:14:13,653 --> 00:14:19,993 would have provided some ease for contacting 293 00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:20,894 potential victims. 294 00:14:23,496 --> 00:14:24,898 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Investigators later 295 00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:27,000 searched a second house in Portland, 296 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,835 where Stevens lived until 1985. 297 00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:30,737 [beeping] 298 00:14:30,837 --> 00:14:31,704 [whirring] 299 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:41,014 In the basement, there was a secret room 300 00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:44,317 which could only be accessed by using an automatic garage door 301 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,586 opener. 302 00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:47,921 THORP (VOICEOVER): The secret room first 303 00:14:48,021 --> 00:14:50,023 came to the attention of a neighbor 304 00:14:50,123 --> 00:14:54,461 who lived outside Portland at the same time Stevens did. 305 00:14:54,561 --> 00:14:56,930 He invited her in to see this room. 306 00:14:57,030 --> 00:15:02,735 And in the room, as I remember, there was a bed. 307 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:06,906 And on the bed was a mannequin, a store dummy 308 00:15:07,007 --> 00:15:11,811 that was dressed in women's underwear, 309 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:16,349 and was struck in an obscene pose. 310 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,351 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In January of 1989, 311 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:20,153 Bill Stevens was arrested and charged 312 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:24,257 with felony escape and a series of weapons violations. 313 00:15:24,357 --> 00:15:27,027 That summer, Stevens was also publicly named 314 00:15:27,127 --> 00:15:29,496 as a prime suspect in the Green River killings. 315 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,835 But within months, authorities had cleared Stevens, 316 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:38,105 primarily because of an alibi provided 317 00:15:38,205 --> 00:15:40,873 by his younger brother. 318 00:15:40,974 --> 00:15:42,775 I visited him in the King County Jail 319 00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:45,912 before he was transferred back to Spokane. 320 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,580 And he mentioned that he couldn't have done 321 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,986 the killings, because he was on a trip in Connecticut 322 00:15:53,086 --> 00:15:57,390 visiting me in 1982 when the killings first happened. 323 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:58,791 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After the visit, 324 00:15:58,891 --> 00:16:00,627 Bill Stevens and his parents continued 325 00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:02,629 on a cross-country trip. 326 00:16:02,729 --> 00:16:05,598 Bob's team was produced receipts which seem to prove that Bill 327 00:16:05,698 --> 00:16:07,367 was still traveling with their parents 328 00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:11,038 when the first five victims were murdered. 329 00:16:11,138 --> 00:16:13,606 Additionally, we were able to determine that Stevens 330 00:16:13,706 --> 00:16:16,809 was not in the Seattle area. 331 00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:20,413 He was either in Spokane, or Portland, or Vancouver, 332 00:16:20,513 --> 00:16:26,019 Washington on the day before or the day after 19 Green 333 00:16:26,119 --> 00:16:29,922 River victims were last seen. 334 00:16:30,023 --> 00:16:31,391 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Today, many people 335 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:34,694 still believe Bill Stevens got away with murder at least 336 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,629 49 times. 337 00:16:36,729 --> 00:16:38,498 Perhaps the most surprising convert 338 00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:40,800 is Steven's own brother, the person who 339 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:44,537 provided him with his alibi. 340 00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:46,239 I really believe my brother is the Green River 341 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:51,778 Killer, that the police had had the killer behind bars in 1989. 342 00:16:51,878 --> 00:16:54,714 And I helped get a killer away free. 343 00:16:57,284 --> 00:16:58,418 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bob Stevens 344 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,420 now questions whether his brother was 345 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,855 in fact with their parents when the first five 346 00:17:02,955 --> 00:17:05,425 murders were committed. 347 00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:07,660 BOB: My dad had told me that my brother 348 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,761 didn't always leave with them. 349 00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:10,163 He would always just maybe-- 350 00:17:10,263 --> 00:17:16,002 just kind of join them somewhere and just appear on their trip, 351 00:17:16,103 --> 00:17:17,370 and then leave again. 352 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:19,606 That was his way of writing a paper trail. 353 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:23,376 He used my parents as his alibi. 354 00:17:23,476 --> 00:17:25,312 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bob Stevens believes his brother 355 00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:27,547 had his own unique MO. 356 00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:30,250 He would travel to various parts of the country, 357 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:33,353 establish that he was there, fly back to Seattle 358 00:17:33,453 --> 00:17:36,656 to commit murder, and then return to his vacation 359 00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:40,560 spot to reestablish his alibi. 360 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:42,662 TOM: Bob Stevens has never contacted us 361 00:17:42,762 --> 00:17:47,567 and provided us with any information contrary 362 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:50,503 to what he initially gave us. 363 00:17:50,603 --> 00:17:53,173 This is basically news to me. 364 00:17:53,273 --> 00:17:55,175 The police are involved in this direction 365 00:17:55,275 --> 00:17:57,777 here, because they don't want the public 366 00:17:57,877 --> 00:18:00,913 looking too closely at the various roles 367 00:18:01,013 --> 00:18:02,715 Stevens played in his life. 368 00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:06,419 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Roderick Thorp claims 369 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:08,755 that the authorities are not reinvestigating William 370 00:18:08,855 --> 00:18:11,358 Stevens for one simple reason. 371 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:15,628 Thorp believes that Stevens was a police informant. 372 00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:19,065 THORP (VOICEOVER): Police are only as good as the information 373 00:18:19,166 --> 00:18:23,536 they get, which they get from people who live as Stevens did, 374 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:26,906 on the edge of society, committing crimes 375 00:18:27,006 --> 00:18:28,575 that the police have to overlook. 376 00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:31,778 Because a guy like Stevens is constantly 377 00:18:31,878 --> 00:18:35,047 giving them information about more serious criminals. 378 00:18:35,148 --> 00:18:37,350 So he was a good police informant, 379 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:40,987 but at the same time, he was indulging in his little sport 380 00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:44,090 there, which was the murder of young girls. 381 00:18:44,191 --> 00:18:46,259 But they never could believe it. 382 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,462 Bill Stevens was never an informant 383 00:18:49,562 --> 00:18:51,898 for any of the local police departments 384 00:18:51,998 --> 00:18:54,301 and was never affiliated with any of the local police 385 00:18:54,401 --> 00:18:56,703 departments. 386 00:18:56,803 --> 00:18:59,806 There's no cover up with regards to the investigation 387 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:00,873 of William Stevens. 388 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:05,578 He's simply not the Green River Killer. 389 00:19:05,678 --> 00:19:09,048 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bill Stevens died of cancer in 1991. 390 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:12,252 Today, Detective Jensen is the only police officer actively 391 00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:14,487 working the Green River case. 392 00:19:14,587 --> 00:19:16,856 Officially, the murders themselves ceased 393 00:19:16,956 --> 00:19:20,727 in the early months of 1984. 394 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:22,229 TOM: We've explored the reasons why 395 00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:24,931 the killings may have stopped. 396 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:27,166 The suspect could be dead, could it be 397 00:19:27,267 --> 00:19:30,437 incarcerated for another crime. 398 00:19:30,537 --> 00:19:32,272 He could have moved to a different part of the country. 399 00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:35,508 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): But have 400 00:19:35,608 --> 00:19:37,910 the killings truly stopped? 401 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:40,213 At least six unsolved murders in Seattle 402 00:19:40,313 --> 00:19:43,350 in the late 80's and early 90's bear an eerie resemblance 403 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:45,785 to the Green River killings. 404 00:19:45,885 --> 00:19:48,821 If William Stevens was in fact, the killer, then 405 00:19:48,921 --> 00:19:53,660 who could be responsible for these latest deaths? 406 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,698 THORP: It seems very clear that Stevens did not work alone. 407 00:19:58,798 --> 00:20:01,768 Steven's phone bills were in the possession of the police, 408 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:05,338 and one of the detectives told me 409 00:20:05,438 --> 00:20:07,807 that they were puzzled about hours 410 00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:11,844 and hours of long distance calls to a certain number. 411 00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:14,414 What were they talking about? 412 00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:17,317 TOM: There is no evidence to support the theory that there 413 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,252 was more than one killer. 414 00:20:19,352 --> 00:20:23,523 Long telephone calls to a friend are not in any way 415 00:20:23,623 --> 00:20:25,525 incriminating, and in many cases, 416 00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:27,460 tend to provide him with alibis. 417 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,862 There have been killings since that 418 00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:32,732 are Green River type killings. 419 00:20:32,832 --> 00:20:34,033 All right? 420 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:38,771 Suggesting that the person who was Steven's accomplice 421 00:20:38,871 --> 00:20:44,777 has continued in a very random way, because that's 422 00:20:44,877 --> 00:20:47,179 the way to get away with it. 423 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,515 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Was William J. 424 00:20:48,615 --> 00:20:50,850 Stevens a Green River Killer? 425 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:54,821 Did he work with an accomplice, or was the killer someone else? 426 00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:59,258 Someone who may still be on the loose? 427 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,760 [intense music] 428 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,157 In a moment, a woman needs your help to find the foster son 429 00:21:31,257 --> 00:21:34,026 she still loves as her own. 430 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,495 [mysterious music] 431 00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:50,777 Here's his things. 432 00:21:50,877 --> 00:21:52,178 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): For Jean Warren and her family, 433 00:21:52,278 --> 00:21:57,517 February of 1967 was a time of tearful parting. 434 00:21:57,617 --> 00:21:59,218 Where's my truck? 435 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:01,087 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Five-year-old Rodger Lindsley, 436 00:22:01,187 --> 00:22:03,656 who had been living with the Warrens as a foster child, 437 00:22:03,756 --> 00:22:05,625 was leaving. 438 00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:06,559 Here you go, sweetie. 439 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:07,460 She's here. 440 00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:10,763 JEAN: I think the whole family was 441 00:22:10,863 --> 00:22:14,634 on edge because we knew that we were going to lose Rodger. 442 00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:18,805 And it just broke my heart, because Rodger was our family. 443 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:22,375 And I had all intentions of adopting him, 444 00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:25,512 and my husband also, as our son. 445 00:22:25,612 --> 00:22:27,046 But it didn't work out that way. 446 00:22:29,416 --> 00:22:30,483 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): It's been 447 00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:32,619 almost 30 years since Jean Warren said 448 00:22:32,719 --> 00:22:34,854 goodbye to Rodger Lindsley. 449 00:22:34,954 --> 00:22:37,757 Tonight, Jean needs your help to find the foster son 450 00:22:37,857 --> 00:22:41,728 she still loves as her own. 451 00:22:41,828 --> 00:22:43,062 CHILD: Mom, they're here. 452 00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:45,432 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They met in 1964. 453 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:47,800 Jean and her husband, Don, and three young daughters 454 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,169 were living in Queens, New York. 455 00:22:50,269 --> 00:22:52,872 But the Warrens had always longed for his son, 456 00:22:52,972 --> 00:22:54,874 and Jean had a special reason for wanting 457 00:22:54,974 --> 00:22:57,376 to be a foster parent. 458 00:22:57,477 --> 00:22:59,178 JEAN (VOICEOVER): I was a foster child. 459 00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:03,583 And because of this, I guess I wanted a foster child 460 00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:06,218 to do what somebody did for me. 461 00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:07,119 Hello, Rodger. 462 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:08,054 Hello. 463 00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:09,689 Hello, Rodger. 464 00:23:09,789 --> 00:23:11,758 Welcome to our family. 465 00:23:11,858 --> 00:23:13,660 JEAN: It's the tender loving care. 466 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,629 To me, this is what's important, giving a child 467 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:18,998 the love, the attention that he needed, 468 00:23:19,098 --> 00:23:21,568 and not just a bed to sleep in. 469 00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:28,475 Rodger, this is Carol, and Wendy, and Donna. 470 00:23:28,575 --> 00:23:29,375 Donna, this is Rodger. 471 00:23:29,476 --> 00:23:30,409 Hi. 472 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:33,580 Do you want to come play with my toys? 473 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,648 JEAN: He was kind of shy. 474 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:39,318 But Donna, she was a year older than Rodger, 475 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:42,855 and she took to him. 476 00:23:42,955 --> 00:23:44,891 WOMAN: Now, the agency did tell you about his little problem, 477 00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:46,025 didn't they? 478 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:46,926 Problem? 479 00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:48,060 Well, Rodger's a little slow. 480 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,030 He has trouble picking up on things. 481 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:52,699 You just have to be patient with him. 482 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,200 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jean and her family 483 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:55,835 were more than patient. 484 00:23:55,935 --> 00:24:00,640 Donna especially, took her new brother under her wing. 485 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:03,342 All three of us girls tried to help as much as we could. 486 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:04,944 But since I was closest to his age, 487 00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:06,813 I think that's why we got along so good. 488 00:24:06,913 --> 00:24:09,248 He was my buddy and my brother. 489 00:24:09,348 --> 00:24:10,316 I thought of him as my brother. 490 00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:12,485 I never thought of him as a foster child. 491 00:24:12,585 --> 00:24:16,288 He was Rodger, my brother. 492 00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:18,224 I'm ready to go. 493 00:24:18,324 --> 00:24:21,561 Rodger, you've got them on the wrong feet again. 494 00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:24,497 DONNA (VOICEOVER): He'd come to me and go, I got my shoes on. 495 00:24:24,597 --> 00:24:27,366 And then I'd look down at his feet, and they'd be on wrong. 496 00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,501 You know? 497 00:24:28,601 --> 00:24:30,369 And I was always trying to show him, you know, 498 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,639 which side to put on which foot. 499 00:24:32,739 --> 00:24:34,040 I'm going to take your shoes off 500 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:36,142 so I can get them on the right feet, OK? 501 00:24:36,242 --> 00:24:37,343 DONNA (VOICEOVER): It took a awhile, 502 00:24:37,443 --> 00:24:39,345 but he finally did learn, and he learned to tie 503 00:24:39,445 --> 00:24:40,913 his shoes really quickly. 504 00:24:41,013 --> 00:24:42,782 And pull, OK? 505 00:24:42,882 --> 00:24:46,085 That's how you tie your shoes, OK? 506 00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:48,821 Rodger, do you remember with this is? 507 00:24:48,921 --> 00:24:50,189 You said the word yesterday. 508 00:24:50,289 --> 00:24:51,958 Is it soda? 509 00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:53,325 Can you say that for me? 510 00:24:53,425 --> 00:24:54,226 Soda. 511 00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:55,127 JEAN: Very good. 512 00:24:55,227 --> 00:24:56,663 Would you like some? 513 00:24:56,763 --> 00:24:58,064 There you go. 514 00:24:58,164 --> 00:24:59,699 JEAN (VOICEOVER): Within a year's time, 515 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:04,804 I have to say Rodger developed so wonderfully. 516 00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:08,975 He started smiling a lot, laughing a lot, you know. 517 00:25:09,075 --> 00:25:12,545 He was no longer that shy little boy that walked in that day. 518 00:25:12,645 --> 00:25:14,113 You're doing real good, Rodger. 519 00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:17,216 I'm proud of you. 520 00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:19,786 JEAN (VOICEOVER): I think adjusting in our family 521 00:25:19,886 --> 00:25:22,254 was the best thing for Rodger. 522 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:25,958 Whatever we did, he was there with us. 523 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:32,031 And each day, I was loving this child more, and more, and more. 524 00:25:32,131 --> 00:25:33,866 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Rodger lived with the Warrens 525 00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:35,334 for three years. 526 00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:39,405 Then in 1967, Don and Jean had to move to Ohio. 527 00:25:39,505 --> 00:25:41,240 They were heartbroken to learn that they could 528 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:44,611 not take Rodger with them. 529 00:25:44,711 --> 00:25:47,647 JEAN: I questioned the agency, because I 530 00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:50,016 wanted to adopt Rodger. 531 00:25:50,116 --> 00:25:52,351 And they told me that was impossible, 532 00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,453 because he had family. 533 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:59,425 Then I asked them would it be possible to take Rodger to Ohio 534 00:25:59,525 --> 00:26:00,860 with us? 535 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,432 And that was also denied, because a foster child 536 00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:09,468 couldn't be taken out of state. 537 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:10,770 - Mr. Warren? - Yes. 538 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:11,804 Come in, please. 539 00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:13,272 He's ready. 540 00:26:18,845 --> 00:26:22,248 Rodger, you're going to go with this nice lady. 541 00:26:22,348 --> 00:26:24,050 But I don't want to. 542 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:25,351 I want to stay here. 543 00:26:25,451 --> 00:26:26,753 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Despite the fact 544 00:26:26,853 --> 00:26:29,055 that Rodger had relatives in the area, 545 00:26:29,155 --> 00:26:31,090 he would not be returning to them. 546 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:33,826 Instead, he was to go to another foster family. 547 00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:35,895 Rodger will be well taken care of. 548 00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:41,233 Did you find a nice home for him? 549 00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:44,203 Well, I'm afraid we haven't found him a permanent home yet, 550 00:26:44,303 --> 00:26:47,539 but we found a family who can take him in temporarily. 551 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,875 I'm afraid they don't speak English, 552 00:26:48,975 --> 00:26:50,877 but they're a very good family. 553 00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:52,611 I don't understand. 554 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:54,346 What do you mean they don't speak English? 555 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,515 Well, I'm afraid they only speak Spanish. 556 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,985 Oh, you can't do this. 557 00:26:59,085 --> 00:27:00,552 We've worked so hard with Rodger. 558 00:27:00,653 --> 00:27:03,422 He's doing so well, he's made so much progress. 559 00:27:03,522 --> 00:27:06,458 JEAN (VOICEOVER): This kind of troubled me, because I felt 560 00:27:06,558 --> 00:27:08,761 that Rodger would more or less forget 561 00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:10,229 everything that he was taught. 562 00:27:10,329 --> 00:27:11,597 Please don't do this. 563 00:27:11,698 --> 00:27:13,666 JEAN (VOICEOVER): I just thought that would 564 00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:16,869 be the worst thing for him, but there was nothing I can do. 565 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:20,973 But I cried, naturally, even more so. 566 00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:22,174 I didn't want to let him go. 567 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,314 Come on Rodger, time to go. 568 00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:41,994 JEAN (VOICEOVER): When she took him to the car, 569 00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:44,196 he looked at us, and looked at me. 570 00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:49,468 And I remember putting out his hand and crying. 571 00:27:49,568 --> 00:27:51,403 I don't want to go, I don't want to go. 572 00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:52,304 And-- 573 00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:54,006 You be a good boy, Rodger. 574 00:27:54,106 --> 00:27:56,275 JEAN (VOICEOVER): I could only say, Rodger, be good. 575 00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:59,645 Take care of yourself, and I love you. 576 00:27:59,746 --> 00:28:00,947 And I'll always remember you. 577 00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:01,848 Mommy! 578 00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:04,316 Well, let's go back. 579 00:28:08,354 --> 00:28:09,756 [up tempo music] 580 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:31,477 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When we return, 581 00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,645 the unsolved murder of a teenage girl 582 00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:37,116 fuels controversy and scandal in a wealthy community. 583 00:28:37,216 --> 00:28:38,584 [mysterious music] 584 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:54,033 On the night before Halloween 1975, 585 00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:56,635 15-year-old Martha Moxley of Greenwich, Connecticut 586 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,270 disappeared. 587 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:01,073 For 12 hours, her family was in a panic. 588 00:29:01,173 --> 00:29:03,009 The entire neighborhood spread out in search 589 00:29:03,109 --> 00:29:05,177 of the missing teenager. 590 00:29:05,277 --> 00:29:07,146 The next day, another 15-year-old girl 591 00:29:07,246 --> 00:29:09,415 took a shortcut through Martha's yard 592 00:29:09,515 --> 00:29:12,584 and made a shocking discovery. 593 00:29:12,684 --> 00:29:16,555 I became an adult very young. 594 00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:20,860 I saw something I should never have seen. 595 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,497 I saw this beautiful, wonderful, sweet girl maimed, 596 00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:28,100 I mean, just devastated. 597 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,237 I saw how cruel people can be to people. 598 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,042 I-- I found Martha. 599 00:29:36,142 --> 00:29:36,943 Sheila. 600 00:29:37,043 --> 00:29:38,878 I-- 601 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:40,847 DORTHY: Sheila was crying. 602 00:29:40,947 --> 00:29:42,248 And I said well, is she all right? 603 00:29:42,348 --> 00:29:45,651 And she said she didn't think so. 604 00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:50,089 And so I stayed in the house and this friend went with Sheila. 605 00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:52,558 And they came back in a couple of minutes. 606 00:29:52,658 --> 00:29:55,928 And my friend said it's Martha, and she's dead. 607 00:29:59,398 --> 00:30:00,466 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The murder 608 00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:03,335 of Martha Moxley stuns the wealthy gated community 609 00:30:03,435 --> 00:30:05,104 of Belle Haven. 610 00:30:05,204 --> 00:30:07,273 Initially, everyone assumed the killer had to have been 611 00:30:07,373 --> 00:30:09,876 someone from outside the area. 612 00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:12,611 In fact, among the suspects then and now, 613 00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:18,550 are two young men who live less than 200 yards away. 614 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:20,819 LEONARD: You have a case here, which really should be called 615 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,821 getting away with murder. 616 00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:31,463 And I believe that were this not a prominent family, 617 00:30:31,563 --> 00:30:32,999 nobody would have gotten away with this crime. 618 00:30:37,103 --> 00:30:39,371 It's been more than 20 years since Martha Moxley was 619 00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:42,574 murdered, but the case remains open, and is perhaps 620 00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:45,211 now more than ever solvable. 621 00:30:45,311 --> 00:30:48,014 Not only because of advances in forensic technology, 622 00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,682 such as DNA analysis, but because 623 00:30:50,782 --> 00:30:53,719 of stunning new revelations allegedly made by two 624 00:30:53,819 --> 00:30:55,387 of the suspects themselves. 625 00:30:58,257 --> 00:31:00,960 We've got a 15-year-old female found about an hour ago. 626 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,794 Martha Moxely-- 627 00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:04,096 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): October 30th, 628 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:07,233 1975 had begun innocently. 629 00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:09,001 Martha Moxley and several friends 630 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:10,769 went out for an evening of teenage pranks. 631 00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:15,507 Early the next afternoon, Martha's body 632 00:31:15,607 --> 00:31:17,944 was discovered in her own backyard. 633 00:31:18,044 --> 00:31:21,013 Her jeans and underpants were pulled down around her knees, 634 00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:25,617 but there was no evidence of sexual assault. 635 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:28,254 JACK (VOICEOVER): Martha was struck with a golf club. 636 00:31:28,354 --> 00:31:31,958 She received several blows to the head. 637 00:31:32,058 --> 00:31:35,094 The head of the club was found 50 feet 638 00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:37,429 from the portion of her driveway where 639 00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:39,831 we believe she was accosted. 640 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:42,068 And subsequently, we were able to determine that she 641 00:31:42,168 --> 00:31:44,870 was stabbed in the neck. 642 00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:48,307 It's believed that the portion of the shaft of the golf 643 00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:52,311 club that was used was later used as a weapon 644 00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:53,445 to stab her with. 645 00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:55,847 That particular section of the club, 646 00:31:55,948 --> 00:31:59,685 which is a probably about a foot long, was never located. 647 00:31:59,785 --> 00:32:01,787 Here are the clubs you requested from that set. 648 00:32:01,887 --> 00:32:03,322 It's the only set like that that we have. 649 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:04,991 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The golf club turned out 650 00:32:05,091 --> 00:32:07,326 to be part of a set belonging to the Skakel family, who 651 00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:10,129 lived across the street from the Moxleys. 652 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:12,798 Rushton Skakel is a brother of Ethel Kennedy, 653 00:32:12,898 --> 00:32:15,634 Robert Kennedy's widow. 654 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:18,570 JACK: The fact that the club now was determined to have 655 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:20,439 come from the Skakel resident. 656 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,674 I think it was a significant piece of evidence, 657 00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:27,246 and made us obviously, focus our investigation in that household 658 00:32:27,346 --> 00:32:28,981 and within that family. 659 00:32:31,717 --> 00:32:33,019 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The police 660 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:36,122 estimated that Martha had been murdered between 9:45 and 10:00 661 00:32:36,222 --> 00:32:37,623 PM. 662 00:32:37,723 --> 00:32:40,126 15-year-old Michael Skakel told police he had 663 00:32:40,226 --> 00:32:41,427 been with Martha that night. 664 00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:48,400 17-year-old Thomas Skakel was with her as well. 665 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,636 Thomas in fact, was the last person known 666 00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:52,638 to have seen Martha alive. 667 00:32:52,738 --> 00:32:54,440 Well, we wanted to listen to some tapes, 668 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:56,975 but my brother and my cousin were inside the house 669 00:32:57,076 --> 00:32:59,045 listening to music on the big stereo. 670 00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:02,648 So we decided to go ahead and listen to music in the car. 671 00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:03,749 [rock music playing] 672 00:33:03,849 --> 00:33:04,583 THOMAS: This song's cool, this song's cool. 673 00:33:04,683 --> 00:33:05,517 I like it. 674 00:33:05,617 --> 00:33:06,718 Well, that's-- 675 00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:08,120 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Thomas told detectives 676 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:11,257 that he and Martha, along with Michael and two other friends, 677 00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:15,794 sat in the car from around 9:00 to 9:30. 678 00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:17,929 Well, we were in the car for a while. 679 00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:20,566 And my brothers came out and kicked 680 00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:23,102 us out of the car, because my cousin Jim needed a ride home. 681 00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:24,236 We're going to have to get out. 682 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:25,171 You know they're going to want to use the car. 683 00:33:25,271 --> 00:33:27,373 [car door opens] 684 00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:30,342 When was this, about what time? 685 00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:33,279 Oh, maybe 9:15, 9:30. 686 00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:35,614 And then? 687 00:33:35,714 --> 00:33:39,385 Well, then Brian left and then Alexander left. 688 00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:41,887 And a few minutes later, Martha left. 689 00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:44,956 I had a paper due on Abraham Lincoln, 690 00:33:45,057 --> 00:33:48,194 so I went back inside the house and up into my room. 691 00:33:48,294 --> 00:33:51,163 And what time was it? 692 00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:52,698 Say about 9:30. 693 00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:54,100 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The police later 694 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,001 checked with Thomas's school. 695 00:33:56,102 --> 00:33:59,771 They found that no such report had been assigned. 696 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:04,042 Michael Skakel corroborated part of his brother Thomas's story. 697 00:34:04,143 --> 00:34:06,478 Michael told police that at 9:30, he 698 00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:09,215 went with his two oldest brothers John and Royce Jr. 699 00:34:09,315 --> 00:34:10,616 to give their cousin a ride home. 700 00:34:13,785 --> 00:34:15,721 But if Michael was in the car and Thomas 701 00:34:15,821 --> 00:34:18,457 was in his room, what happened to Martha Moxley 702 00:34:18,557 --> 00:34:21,427 on her short walk home? 703 00:34:21,527 --> 00:34:23,795 Investigators found yet another suspect 704 00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:25,431 in the Skakel household. 705 00:34:29,301 --> 00:34:31,937 Um, 'till about 12:00, 12:30. 706 00:34:32,037 --> 00:34:33,772 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): 24-year-old Kenneth Littleton 707 00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:37,543 had just been hired as a live in tutor for the Skakel children. 708 00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:40,612 He had moved into the house on the morning of the murder. 709 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:42,681 I spent the entire time watching TV. 710 00:34:46,152 --> 00:34:47,286 DETECTIVE: What were you watching? 711 00:34:47,386 --> 00:34:48,787 KENNETH: French Connection. 712 00:34:48,887 --> 00:34:52,057 DETECTIVE: Anybody see you in there watching TV? 713 00:34:52,158 --> 00:34:52,991 KENNETH: Sure. 714 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:56,428 Mrs. Watson, she's the housekeeper. 715 00:34:56,528 --> 00:34:59,030 Mr. Littleton, I just heard some noise 716 00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:00,499 going on outside my window. 717 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,634 Could you go and take a look, please? 718 00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:04,570 Sure, Mrs. Watson. I'll go check. 719 00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:07,273 Thank you. 720 00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:08,940 DETECTIVE: What time is that? 721 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,411 That was about um, 9:45. 722 00:35:12,511 --> 00:35:14,045 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Before he went outside, 723 00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:15,881 Littleton said that he decided to check 724 00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,284 on the seven Skakel children. 725 00:35:18,384 --> 00:35:21,387 The four oldest boys, Rush Jr., John Michael, 726 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:24,890 and Thomas were still not home. 727 00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:26,492 JACK: What his story was, he had heard 728 00:35:26,592 --> 00:35:30,529 some noises coming from the bushes on the property 729 00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,231 and leaves rustling. 730 00:35:32,331 --> 00:35:35,401 But he claimed he did not see anything 731 00:35:35,501 --> 00:35:36,402 at the time he was out. 732 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:40,572 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Littleton 733 00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:43,675 said he didn't see Thomas until 10:25, when Thomas 734 00:35:43,775 --> 00:35:46,712 joined him in front of the TV. 735 00:35:46,812 --> 00:35:49,047 The other three boys came home within half an hour. 736 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:53,652 Over the next several months, detectives 737 00:35:53,752 --> 00:35:55,721 interviewed more than 200 people and gave 738 00:35:55,821 --> 00:35:58,089 several polygraph exams. 739 00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:01,593 According to the police, Thomas Skakel was given two tests. 740 00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:03,429 The first was inconclusive. 741 00:36:03,529 --> 00:36:04,796 Thomas passed the second. 742 00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:10,001 Then after months of cooperating with the authorities, 743 00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:12,638 the Skakel's, on the advice of their attorney, 744 00:36:12,738 --> 00:36:16,708 abruptly put a halt to all further questioning. 745 00:36:16,808 --> 00:36:19,978 DONALD: No one has an obligation to cooperate with police. 746 00:36:20,078 --> 00:36:24,115 But most instances, individuals who may have some knowledge 747 00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:27,085 that may lead to the identification of an individual 748 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:28,654 who has committed a violent crime, 749 00:36:28,754 --> 00:36:30,155 are more than pleased to contribute 750 00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:31,390 that information to the police. 751 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:34,726 So it's most unusual when an individual possessing 752 00:36:34,826 --> 00:36:36,762 information decides that he does not 753 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:40,532 want to give that information to investigators. 754 00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:43,068 You know who killed Martha Moxley? 755 00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:44,270 No. 756 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:45,537 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Eventually, attention 757 00:36:45,637 --> 00:36:46,872 shifted again to Kenneth Littleton, 758 00:36:46,972 --> 00:36:50,309 who had been dismissed by the Skakel's after six months. 759 00:36:50,409 --> 00:36:53,545 In July of 1976, Littleton was arrested 760 00:36:53,645 --> 00:36:58,284 in Nantucket, Massachusetts for burglary and theft. 761 00:36:58,384 --> 00:37:01,487 According to the police, he was given a polygraph regarding 762 00:37:01,587 --> 00:37:03,955 the Moxley murder and failed. 763 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,292 Still, authorities felt that wasn't enough evidence 764 00:37:06,392 --> 00:37:07,593 to make an arrest. 765 00:37:07,693 --> 00:37:11,397 The case became inactive. 766 00:37:11,497 --> 00:37:14,400 And you can always count your family, don't you? 767 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,835 If you're implying that my family is lying to protect me, 768 00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:19,104 you're dead wrong. 769 00:37:19,204 --> 00:37:21,440 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Incredibly, 16 years later, 770 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,975 it was a media attention surrounding the rape trial 771 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:25,911 of William Kennedy Smith that brought 772 00:37:26,011 --> 00:37:28,380 the Moxley case back to life. 773 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,849 The connection between the Skakel and Kennedy families 774 00:37:30,949 --> 00:37:32,551 served as the impetus. 775 00:37:32,651 --> 00:37:34,586 Within weeks, the Greenwich police had 776 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:37,823 reopened their investigation 777 00:37:37,923 --> 00:37:40,492 DONALD: The opinion of the-- most of the investigators 778 00:37:40,592 --> 00:37:45,263 or trained police officers is that whoever was responsible 779 00:37:45,364 --> 00:37:48,934 for this crime probably was in the Skakel home at some time 780 00:37:49,034 --> 00:37:50,135 that evening. 781 00:37:50,235 --> 00:37:53,271 And we've been told in no uncertain terms, that 782 00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:58,510 under no circumstances would they ever speak or agree 783 00:37:58,610 --> 00:38:05,584 to any type of interviews, or come forward and meet with any 784 00:38:05,684 --> 00:38:08,920 of us at any time ever. 785 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:10,756 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1991, the police 786 00:38:10,856 --> 00:38:13,825 had brought in forensic pathologist Dr. Henry Lee, who 787 00:38:13,925 --> 00:38:16,328 would later gain national prominence during the OJ 788 00:38:16,428 --> 00:38:18,330 Simpson murder trial. 789 00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:24,336 Dr. Lee was able to utilize technology unavailable in 1975. 790 00:38:24,436 --> 00:38:28,674 We was able to re-examine certain evidence, we was able 791 00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:32,678 to find some newer evidence. 792 00:38:32,778 --> 00:38:34,746 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Among the items examined by Dr. Lee 793 00:38:34,846 --> 00:38:37,516 were clothes found discarded in the Skakel's garbage 794 00:38:37,616 --> 00:38:39,751 shortly after the murder. 795 00:38:39,851 --> 00:38:42,988 This included a pair of pants and sneakers, which 796 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:45,791 reportedly belonged to Michael. 797 00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:48,927 DR LEE: There we would found some hairs and fibers, 798 00:38:49,027 --> 00:38:52,998 some of the hair microscopically similar to hers, 799 00:38:53,098 --> 00:38:56,435 other hair dissimilar to her. 800 00:38:56,535 --> 00:38:57,703 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Doctor Lee 801 00:38:57,803 --> 00:39:00,806 determined that the hair belonged to a male Caucasian, 802 00:39:00,906 --> 00:39:02,608 but he didn't have a hair sample from any 803 00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:07,045 of the possible suspects and was unable to make a match. 804 00:39:07,145 --> 00:39:09,748 However, after studying the crime scene photographs, 805 00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,484 Dr. Lee was able to provide a possible motive 806 00:39:12,584 --> 00:39:14,620 for Martha's murder. 807 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,822 DR LEE: The blood smear on her body 808 00:39:16,922 --> 00:39:21,092 indicates somebody tried to use force. 809 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:26,665 It suggests could be a sexual motivated homicide. 810 00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:28,033 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Leonard Levitt 811 00:39:28,133 --> 00:39:30,869 is an investigative reporter for the Long Island-based "Daily 812 00:39:30,969 --> 00:39:32,237 Newsday." 813 00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:36,408 He has been looking into the Moxley case since 1982. 814 00:39:36,508 --> 00:39:39,244 There were no defense wounds, which indicates 815 00:39:39,344 --> 00:39:42,180 that she knew her attacker. 816 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,116 Really, the fact that she was hit repeatedly with a golf 817 00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:47,252 club, indicates some kind of rage, 818 00:39:47,352 --> 00:39:48,554 which personalizes this thing. 819 00:39:48,654 --> 00:39:53,324 Which indicates that there was such anger 820 00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:56,928 that the two had to have known each other, 821 00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:58,196 that it was a crime of passion. 822 00:40:02,067 --> 00:40:05,471 Time and again, the trail led back to the Skakels. 823 00:40:05,571 --> 00:40:08,206 By 1985, Thomas Skakel was 37 years 824 00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:12,844 old, a successful businessman, married, and the father of two. 825 00:40:12,944 --> 00:40:15,413 Years earlier, Thomas's father, Rushton Skakel, 826 00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:18,817 set out to clear the family name once and for all. 827 00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:21,386 He hired his own private investigators, 828 00:40:21,487 --> 00:40:22,788 but what they allegedly discovered 829 00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:26,324 about the night in question was nothing short of a bombshell. 830 00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:32,731 In November of 1995, a full 20 years 831 00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:35,467 after the murder of Martha Moxley, Leonard Levitt 832 00:40:35,567 --> 00:40:37,936 reported in "Newsday" that Thomas and Michael 833 00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:40,038 Skakel had made startling admissions 834 00:40:40,138 --> 00:40:43,074 to the private detectives. 835 00:40:43,174 --> 00:40:45,777 LEONARD: Both Thomas and Michael told the investigators 836 00:40:45,877 --> 00:40:47,779 that they had lied to the police about their accounts 837 00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:50,516 the night of the murder. 838 00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:54,419 Thomas said to them that after 9:30, he went inside his house 839 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,022 and then he went back out and spent 840 00:40:57,122 --> 00:40:59,658 another 20 minutes with Martha. 841 00:40:59,758 --> 00:41:03,662 He claims now that he and Martha engaged in a sexual act, 842 00:41:03,762 --> 00:41:06,632 and then left her at about ten to 10:00. 843 00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:11,637 If you go back now, and you look at the story that he told, 844 00:41:11,737 --> 00:41:13,972 it just doesn't add up. 845 00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:16,341 I'm-- I'm very sorry to be calling you so late, but I'm-- 846 00:41:16,441 --> 00:41:18,409 I'm looking for my daughter, Martha. 847 00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:21,312 THOMAS: At 1:00 AM, Martha's mother 848 00:41:21,412 --> 00:41:24,182 called around the neighborhood looking for Martha. 849 00:41:24,282 --> 00:41:26,885 They awaken Thomas, who was asleep. 850 00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:32,724 And his story is I last saw her at 9:30 PM. 851 00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:36,528 If Thomas doesn't know that Martha is dead, 852 00:41:36,628 --> 00:41:41,132 why doesn't he say then I last left her at ten to 10:00? 853 00:41:41,232 --> 00:41:43,902 Why is he lying before he even knows that something 854 00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:46,104 has happened to her? 855 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:50,308 That's a question that nobody has resolved. 856 00:41:50,408 --> 00:41:54,145 His younger brother, Michael, says that around midnight, he 857 00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:57,482 went out to Martha's house, climbed up a tree, 858 00:41:57,583 --> 00:42:00,786 threw stones at her window to awaken her. 859 00:42:00,886 --> 00:42:03,288 The only thing that possibly makes any sense was 860 00:42:03,388 --> 00:42:05,523 that if Martha was dead at 10:00, 861 00:42:05,624 --> 00:42:08,159 and he's up there at midnight, he didn't know she'd 862 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:09,628 been killed. 863 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:15,100 Then climbed down and passed what police now say 864 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,636 is the murder site. 865 00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:23,308 Says he saw and heard something, saw nothing, and went home. 866 00:42:23,408 --> 00:42:25,911 Now, what this all means, nobody can quite figure out. 867 00:42:28,847 --> 00:42:30,281 Clearly, we're at a different situation 868 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:31,817 now than we've ever been, because we've 869 00:42:31,917 --> 00:42:34,920 got these admissions from Thomas, 870 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:37,055 that he lied to the police. 871 00:42:37,155 --> 00:42:40,525 That he's put himself with Martha at precisely the time 872 00:42:40,626 --> 00:42:41,860 that the police believe she's murdered. 873 00:42:45,196 --> 00:42:48,366 If you take those articles as being factual, 874 00:42:48,466 --> 00:42:52,804 the question arises, why did they lie? 875 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:54,572 And why have they 20 years later, 876 00:42:54,673 --> 00:42:57,142 decided to change their stories? 877 00:42:57,242 --> 00:43:00,078 There's certainly a strange and different change in stories 878 00:43:00,178 --> 00:43:05,984 here that firmly indicate to me that the answers to this case 879 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:07,719 are within that family. 880 00:43:07,819 --> 00:43:11,823 It's frustrating to know that for 20 years, 881 00:43:11,923 --> 00:43:12,958 they've known that they lied. 882 00:43:13,058 --> 00:43:15,460 And they know something was going on. 883 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,763 And I'm not saying that they did it, 884 00:43:17,863 --> 00:43:21,299 but they know something that could help us. 885 00:43:21,399 --> 00:43:23,301 It was just very exciting to think 886 00:43:23,401 --> 00:43:27,639 that we've actually had some little breaking down 887 00:43:27,739 --> 00:43:30,575 in their story. 888 00:43:30,676 --> 00:43:34,713 And just that the hope that if one thing breaks down, 889 00:43:34,813 --> 00:43:37,215 maybe other things will break down. 890 00:43:37,315 --> 00:43:38,316 And it's bound to happen. 891 00:43:41,252 --> 00:43:44,389 Any time I can do anything to help it, I'm going to do it. 892 00:43:44,489 --> 00:43:45,991 And I won't give up. 893 00:43:46,091 --> 00:43:47,325 And I have to do that for Martha. 894 00:43:51,897 --> 00:43:53,799 [intense music] 895 00:44:23,094 --> 00:44:29,968 [mysterious music] 896 00:44:30,068 --> 00:44:32,170 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On our next Unsolved Mysteries, 897 00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:34,005 do you believe in ghosts? 898 00:44:34,105 --> 00:44:36,574 Perhaps you will after taking the unofficial tour 899 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,577 of the legendary Comedy Store in Hollywood. 900 00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:42,213 Some people say that once the celebrities go home, 901 00:44:42,313 --> 00:44:43,181 the real show begins. 902 00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:48,754 Join me next Friday at our regular time 903 00:44:48,854 --> 00:44:51,923 for another fascinating edition of Unsolved Mysteries. 904 00:44:55,626 --> 00:45:08,774 [mysterious music] 71031

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