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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,534 --> 00:00:02,636 [theme music] 2 00:00:05,573 --> 00:00:09,377 ANNOUNCER: Tonight, on "Unsolved Mysteries." 3 00:00:09,477 --> 00:00:12,380 ROBERT STACK: A rock star turned computer whiz alone in his car 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,251 on the freeway, a desperate call to 911, and then nothing. 5 00:00:17,351 --> 00:00:20,521 A man and his vehicle literally vanish into thin air. 6 00:00:20,621 --> 00:00:23,557 What happened to Taylor Kramer? 7 00:00:23,657 --> 00:00:27,561 Voodoo, the very word conjures up images of black magic, 8 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:29,230 hexes, and curses. 9 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:32,700 But believers insist voodoo can be a force for good. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,103 Just wait until you see the incredible story 11 00:00:35,203 --> 00:00:38,272 of two doctors in Texas who turned voodoo to the cure 12 00:00:38,372 --> 00:00:41,041 a dying man. 13 00:00:41,142 --> 00:00:43,477 Recently, this man lost custody of his children 14 00:00:43,577 --> 00:00:45,213 after a bitter court battle. 15 00:00:45,313 --> 00:00:47,548 Now, police believe he is a killer. 16 00:00:47,648 --> 00:00:51,685 The victim was his ex-wife's attorney. 17 00:00:51,785 --> 00:00:54,955 How do you treat an arthritic tiger with an attitude? 18 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,758 Perhaps you can call on Linda Tellington-Jones, 19 00:00:57,858 --> 00:01:00,128 a therapist with an orthodox approach 20 00:01:00,228 --> 00:01:03,597 and an unconventional client list. 21 00:01:03,697 --> 00:01:04,598 Join me. 22 00:01:04,698 --> 00:01:06,667 Perhaps you hold the one vital clue 23 00:01:06,767 --> 00:01:10,704 that will help solve one of tonight's unsolved mysteries. 24 00:01:10,804 --> 00:01:14,975 [theme music] 25 00:02:01,622 --> 00:02:03,491 OPERATOR (ON PHONE): 911, can I help you? 26 00:02:03,591 --> 00:02:04,792 TAYLOR KRAMER (ON PHONE): Yes, you can. 27 00:02:04,892 --> 00:02:06,694 I'm going to kill myself. 28 00:02:06,794 --> 00:02:07,595 OPERATOR (ON PHONE): OK. 29 00:02:07,695 --> 00:02:08,996 What is your name? 30 00:02:09,096 --> 00:02:09,897 Hello? 31 00:02:09,997 --> 00:02:11,765 [dial tone] 32 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:14,368 Hello? 33 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:17,171 ROBERT STACK: That call to a 911 operator in Los Angeles 34 00:02:17,271 --> 00:02:18,906 marks the moment this man, Phillip 35 00:02:19,006 --> 00:02:20,808 Taylor Kramer, vanished. 36 00:02:20,908 --> 00:02:24,312 The question is, did he commit suicide? 37 00:02:24,412 --> 00:02:27,448 And if he did, why have so many people seen him? 38 00:02:27,548 --> 00:02:31,419 [MUSIC PLAYING - IRON BUTTERFLY, "IN A GADDA DA VIDA"] 39 00:02:32,653 --> 00:02:36,957 (SINGING) In a gadda da vida, honey, don't you 40 00:02:37,057 --> 00:02:40,160 know that I'm loving you? 41 00:02:40,261 --> 00:02:42,863 ROBERT STACK: In the 1970s, Taylor Kramer 42 00:02:42,963 --> 00:02:46,700 was a bass player for the rock and roll band, Iron Butterfly. 43 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,604 By the '90s, Taylor had settled down and become a family man. 44 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:53,874 Taylor and his wife, Jennifer, have two young children, a boy 45 00:02:53,974 --> 00:02:56,109 and a girl. 46 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:58,479 Taylor Kramer is also a math and computer 47 00:02:58,579 --> 00:03:00,281 whiz who founded his own high tech 48 00:03:00,381 --> 00:03:02,383 multimedia company in 1990. 49 00:03:02,483 --> 00:03:03,717 Yes. 50 00:03:03,817 --> 00:03:05,653 ROBERT STACK: For several weeks before his disappearance, 51 00:03:05,753 --> 00:03:07,288 he had been working around the clock 52 00:03:07,388 --> 00:03:08,756 on an exciting new breakthrough. 53 00:03:08,856 --> 00:03:10,558 - What time is it? - I don't know. 54 00:03:10,658 --> 00:03:12,159 JENNIFER KRAMER: He said, it's very simple. 55 00:03:12,260 --> 00:03:13,661 It's been here the whole time. 56 00:03:13,761 --> 00:03:17,498 It's so simple that no one has discovered it. 57 00:03:17,598 --> 00:03:20,234 I can't believe how close I am right now. 58 00:03:20,334 --> 00:03:24,071 And he said, imagine, Jennifer, a computer 59 00:03:24,171 --> 00:03:29,877 and a camera being able to find a missing child in a sea 60 00:03:29,977 --> 00:03:33,981 of thousands of people by just showing the computer 61 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:37,318 a small piece of that child's face, 62 00:03:37,418 --> 00:03:42,089 and finding that child in a fraction of a second. 63 00:03:42,189 --> 00:03:44,425 ROBERT STACK: Taylor's research consumed him. 64 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:46,960 It was based on revolutionary theories about data 65 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:49,830 compression, ideas that his father, 66 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:52,199 a former professor of electrical engineering, 67 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:55,102 had developed 30 years earlier. 68 00:03:55,202 --> 00:03:57,237 My brother was just so excited in the fact 69 00:03:57,338 --> 00:04:00,608 that they had made this beautiful discovery 70 00:04:00,708 --> 00:04:02,543 that was going to help people. 71 00:04:02,643 --> 00:04:05,479 And I believe, in fact, that that's real. 72 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:07,848 But my brother, just it being the person that he is, 73 00:04:07,948 --> 00:04:09,650 the excitement of it all and everything 74 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:11,752 just overwhelmed him. 75 00:04:11,852 --> 00:04:14,455 Sweetheart, the hand of God has touched me. 76 00:04:14,555 --> 00:04:16,390 Hey, Taylor, calm down. 77 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:17,491 You're going to twist an ankle. 78 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:21,094 I can do no wrong. 79 00:04:21,194 --> 00:04:23,364 He's sending me the truth, babe. 80 00:04:23,464 --> 00:04:25,899 JENNIFER KRAMER: The day before he disappeared, 81 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:28,402 we went on a hike up in Thousand Oaks. 82 00:04:28,502 --> 00:04:29,870 And we hiked up to the top of the hill-- 83 00:04:29,970 --> 00:04:30,871 It's my favorite color. 84 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:32,806 JENNIFER KRAMER: --and we look across, 85 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:35,809 and you can see the whole Conejo Valley where we live. 86 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:38,145 And there's a cross up on the hill that belongs 87 00:04:38,245 --> 00:04:40,247 to one of the colleges nearby. 88 00:04:40,348 --> 00:04:42,383 And he turned around, and he pointed to the cross. 89 00:04:42,483 --> 00:04:44,251 And he said, look, honey, our house 90 00:04:44,352 --> 00:04:47,054 is right in the path of this cross. 91 00:04:47,154 --> 00:04:52,460 He started to see sacredness in everything. 92 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,028 Jennifer now blames Taylor's bizarre behavior 93 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:56,229 on sleep deprivation. 94 00:04:56,330 --> 00:04:57,230 Like I said, they're coming in a little after-- 95 00:04:57,331 --> 00:04:58,466 ROBERT STACK: The day after the hike, 96 00:04:58,566 --> 00:05:00,167 Taylor left home around 9 AM. 97 00:05:00,267 --> 00:05:01,535 We'll be back here 1:30, 2:00. 98 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:03,437 ROBERT STACK: He would visit his father-in-law briefly, then 99 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:05,373 go to the airport to pick up a business 100 00:05:05,473 --> 00:05:08,308 associate and his wife. 101 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:12,012 Taylor went to the airport as scheduled, waited 25 minutes, 102 00:05:12,112 --> 00:05:15,649 then inexplicably left before his friends arrived. 103 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:17,985 He drove north toward his home. 104 00:05:18,085 --> 00:05:21,021 Along the way, he made a series of phone calls. 105 00:05:21,121 --> 00:05:24,157 At one point, he left a message for his old friend, Ron Bushy, 106 00:05:24,257 --> 00:05:26,727 the drummer for Iron Butterfly. 107 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:29,963 Bushy, this is Kramer. 108 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:35,803 I love you more than life itself. 109 00:05:35,903 --> 00:05:38,806 RON BUSHY: His voice sounded stressed. 110 00:05:38,906 --> 00:05:41,942 He sounded maybe, like, scared. 111 00:05:42,042 --> 00:05:43,644 Maybe he had even been crying. 112 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:44,845 I don't know. 113 00:05:44,945 --> 00:05:47,314 But apparently, this cell phone call from his car 114 00:05:47,415 --> 00:05:48,382 was made to me. 115 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:55,723 He also called Jennifer and a lot of other people. 116 00:05:55,823 --> 00:05:57,124 Hi, Jenny. 117 00:05:57,224 --> 00:06:00,360 Listen, uh, tell Greg-- 118 00:06:00,461 --> 00:06:01,762 tell Greg I'm not going to be able to meet 119 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:02,663 him at the airport. 120 00:06:02,763 --> 00:06:03,597 He'll understand. 121 00:06:03,697 --> 00:06:04,565 OK? 122 00:06:04,665 --> 00:06:08,268 And I said, Taylor, where are you? 123 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:09,369 Where are you going? 124 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:10,738 What are you doing? 125 00:06:10,838 --> 00:06:14,575 Sweetheart, I want you to remember that whatever happens, 126 00:06:14,675 --> 00:06:16,444 I'll always be with you. 127 00:06:16,544 --> 00:06:18,846 And I started to get scared, and I thought, 128 00:06:18,946 --> 00:06:21,281 something is wrong with Taylor. 129 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:23,350 And I said, where are you going? 130 00:06:23,451 --> 00:06:25,519 You just tell him that, uh, I'll meet 131 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:28,088 him at the hotel at 1:00, OK? 132 00:06:28,188 --> 00:06:29,857 JENNIFER KRAMER: And really calmly and lovingly-- 133 00:06:29,957 --> 00:06:31,191 They'll just grab a cab. 134 00:06:31,291 --> 00:06:32,660 JENNIFER KRAMER: --like he normally talks to me, he said, 135 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,829 "and when I see you, honey, I have a big surprise for you." 136 00:06:35,929 --> 00:06:37,465 And I'll see you [inaudible]. 137 00:06:37,565 --> 00:06:40,133 JENNIFER KRAMER: But I knew in my gut 138 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:43,471 that Taylor wasn't going to be at the hotel. 139 00:06:43,571 --> 00:06:47,741 I just knew that he wouldn't be there. 140 00:06:47,841 --> 00:06:50,343 ROBERT STACK: An hour later, Taylor made his last contact, 141 00:06:50,444 --> 00:06:52,880 a call to 911. 142 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:54,815 OPERATOR (ON PHONE): 911, can I help you? 143 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:56,116 TAYLOR KRAMER (ON PHONE): Yes, you can. 144 00:06:56,216 --> 00:06:57,651 I'm going to kill myself. 145 00:06:57,751 --> 00:06:58,552 OPERATOR (ON PHONE): OK. 146 00:06:58,652 --> 00:07:00,854 What is your name? 147 00:07:00,954 --> 00:07:01,755 Hello? 148 00:07:01,855 --> 00:07:03,657 [dial tone] 149 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:05,993 Hello? 150 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,962 It's really hard to commit suicide and take your life 151 00:07:09,062 --> 00:07:10,130 and disappear. 152 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:11,665 I mean, somebody is going to find you. 153 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,534 Somebody is going to find the car, 154 00:07:13,634 --> 00:07:17,037 and the car and him were gone. 155 00:07:17,137 --> 00:07:20,641 ROBERT STACK: No car, no body, no further activity on Taylor's 156 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:23,210 credit cards or cellular phone. 157 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:25,913 However, after his family papered the Los Angeles area 158 00:07:26,013 --> 00:07:28,215 with posters, several people claimed 159 00:07:28,315 --> 00:07:30,551 they had seen Taylor Kramer near the area 160 00:07:30,651 --> 00:07:33,320 where he made his phone calls. 161 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:36,323 A pawn shop employee in Canoga Park, California, 162 00:07:36,423 --> 00:07:38,959 spotted Taylor in late February. 163 00:07:39,059 --> 00:07:42,530 When he was here that day, he left an impression on me. 164 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:44,331 And then when Chuck came in and showed me the picture, 165 00:07:44,431 --> 00:07:46,199 I was positive that it was him, because we stood here 166 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:47,267 and talked for a little while. 167 00:07:47,367 --> 00:07:49,903 So I mean, I couldn't be wrong about it. 168 00:07:50,003 --> 00:07:52,272 That's why I'm 100% sure that it was him. 169 00:07:52,372 --> 00:07:53,874 ROBERT STACK: Around the same time, 170 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:57,110 Jan Biondi and her daughter saw Taylor at her garage sale. 171 00:07:57,210 --> 00:08:00,914 Then later that day, Kathy came by in the car 172 00:08:01,014 --> 00:08:02,049 passing out the flyers. 173 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:03,917 And said, you know, he likes garage sales. 174 00:08:04,017 --> 00:08:04,952 He's been seen in this area. 175 00:08:05,052 --> 00:08:06,019 Have you seen him? 176 00:08:06,119 --> 00:08:07,187 And my daughter said, yeah, yeah, yeah, 177 00:08:07,287 --> 00:08:08,622 he was here this morning. 178 00:08:08,722 --> 00:08:10,123 I'll see you. 179 00:08:10,223 --> 00:08:12,593 ROBERT STACK: If Taylor Kramer did not commit suicide, 180 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:14,427 what happened to him? 181 00:08:14,528 --> 00:08:19,833 On February 28, 1995, 2 and 1/2 weeks after his disappearance, 182 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:24,271 Jennifer believes he made one final call to his family. 183 00:08:24,371 --> 00:08:25,773 JENNIFER KRAMER: He called the house, 184 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:27,908 and the answering machine picked up. 185 00:08:28,008 --> 00:08:31,845 And all Taylor said was, hello, hello. 186 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:35,849 [music playing] 187 00:08:55,903 --> 00:08:58,672 ROBERT STACK: In a moment, an unexpected conclusion in 188 00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:00,273 the case of a missing husband. 189 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:04,144 [music playing] 190 00:09:11,484 --> 00:09:13,286 Recently, we brought you a missing persons 191 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:14,755 case that was perhaps one of the most 192 00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:16,924 unusual we've ever presented. 193 00:09:17,024 --> 00:09:20,427 Now, the case is solved, and the outcome has proven to be just 194 00:09:20,527 --> 00:09:23,964 as odd as the story itself. 195 00:09:24,064 --> 00:09:26,233 In 1990, Christine Reinhard finally 196 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:27,668 found the man of her dreams. 197 00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:28,702 I now pronounce you husband and wife. 198 00:09:28,802 --> 00:09:29,803 ROBERT STACK: She and Craig Williamson 199 00:09:29,903 --> 00:09:31,238 were married just a month after they met. 200 00:09:31,338 --> 00:09:33,707 Craig, you may kiss your wife. 201 00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:36,009 ROBERT STACK: The newlyweds were virtually inseparable. 202 00:09:36,109 --> 00:09:38,078 They bought a farm in Wisconsin, and began 203 00:09:38,178 --> 00:09:42,282 to raise exotic fish for sale to gourmet restaurants. 204 00:09:42,382 --> 00:09:45,418 But in 1993, Christine Reinhard's perfect world 205 00:09:45,518 --> 00:09:47,120 was torn apart. 206 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:50,257 That August, Craig drove to Colorado Springs, Colorado, 207 00:09:50,357 --> 00:09:54,728 on a business trip, and never returned. 208 00:09:54,828 --> 00:09:57,731 Craig's disappearance launched Christine on a heartbreaking 18 209 00:09:57,831 --> 00:09:59,066 month search. 210 00:09:59,166 --> 00:10:01,234 She traveled to Colorado Springs, 211 00:10:01,334 --> 00:10:04,104 posted flyers, asked questions. 212 00:10:04,204 --> 00:10:05,706 She went to the hotel where Craig was last seen. 213 00:10:05,806 --> 00:10:06,940 I haven't seen him. I don't know him. 214 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,475 ROBERT STACK: Every lead came to a dead end. 215 00:10:08,575 --> 00:10:12,612 Yet Christine refused to give up hope. 216 00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:14,247 CHRISTINE REINHARD: I know he's alive, 217 00:10:14,347 --> 00:10:16,616 and I know someday I'll find him. 218 00:10:16,717 --> 00:10:18,518 The trouble is I don't know when, 219 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,587 and I just have to keep hanging on. 220 00:10:20,688 --> 00:10:22,856 The hardest part is hanging on. 221 00:10:27,227 --> 00:10:29,963 Shortly after our broadcast, Christine Reinhard's long 222 00:10:30,063 --> 00:10:32,399 odyssey finally came to an end. 223 00:10:32,499 --> 00:10:34,702 However, it was a far cry from the joyous conclusion 224 00:10:34,802 --> 00:10:36,203 she had hoped for. 225 00:10:36,303 --> 00:10:39,439 Here's Keely Shaye Smith with the details. 226 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:41,408 After seeing himself on our program, 227 00:10:41,508 --> 00:10:43,076 Craig Williamson phoned Christine 228 00:10:43,176 --> 00:10:46,579 from Key West, Florida, where he was working as a handyman. 229 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,982 Craig was now going by the name of Ron, 230 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:51,118 and he bore little resemblance to the loving 231 00:10:51,218 --> 00:10:54,454 husband Christine remembered. 232 00:10:54,554 --> 00:10:56,189 The phone rang, and he said, hello, 233 00:10:56,289 --> 00:10:58,425 Christine, this is Craig. 234 00:10:58,525 --> 00:11:00,761 And it didn't really sound like him. 235 00:11:00,861 --> 00:11:02,429 He sounded like a shell of himself. 236 00:11:02,529 --> 00:11:05,866 It-- it-- from what phrases he used 237 00:11:05,966 --> 00:11:08,168 and things like that, I knew it was Craig. 238 00:11:08,268 --> 00:11:12,139 But his voice was really, oh-- very weak. 239 00:11:12,239 --> 00:11:14,174 And I was just shaking. 240 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:16,910 I was-- I was in total shock. 241 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:18,078 KEELY SHAYE SMITH: Craig Williamson 242 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:20,147 recounted a harrowing tale. 243 00:11:20,247 --> 00:11:21,648 All he could remember was that he 244 00:11:21,749 --> 00:11:25,318 had been attacked by an unknown assailant in Colorado Springs. 245 00:11:25,418 --> 00:11:28,288 What followed were two years of severe amnesia, 246 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:30,958 painful headaches, and frequent blackouts-- 247 00:11:31,058 --> 00:11:35,262 two years with virtually no sense of who he was. 248 00:11:35,362 --> 00:11:37,831 When I saw this whole thing on "Unsolved Mysteries," 249 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:40,734 I realized that I was Craig Williamson. 250 00:11:40,834 --> 00:11:42,469 But I didn't know who Craig Williamson was. 251 00:11:42,569 --> 00:11:44,504 I didn't have a clue who he was. 252 00:11:44,604 --> 00:11:48,575 I knew that he had a family someplace. 253 00:11:48,675 --> 00:11:50,477 I-- I knew that he was married. 254 00:11:50,577 --> 00:11:51,912 I didn't know that he had a fish farm. 255 00:11:52,012 --> 00:11:53,313 I didn't know a lot. 256 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:56,917 KEELY SHAYE SMITH: Last September, 257 00:11:57,017 --> 00:12:00,387 Craig and Christine met in Colorado Springs, Colorado. 258 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:02,189 Christine hoped that a tour of the area 259 00:12:02,289 --> 00:12:06,226 where Craig had disappeared might help to jog his memory. 260 00:12:06,326 --> 00:12:07,895 Does that look at all familiar to you? 261 00:12:07,995 --> 00:12:09,696 It-- it doesn't-- 262 00:12:09,797 --> 00:12:11,899 it looks familiar from the "Unsolved Mysteries" 263 00:12:11,999 --> 00:12:14,501 segment, but it doesn't-- 264 00:12:14,601 --> 00:12:15,568 there's nothing here. 265 00:12:15,668 --> 00:12:17,537 I feel nothing, no attachment to it. 266 00:12:17,637 --> 00:12:18,872 So, no, it doesn't, except for the-- 267 00:12:18,972 --> 00:12:21,074 KEELY SHAYE SMITH: In the end, Craig remembered nothing, 268 00:12:21,174 --> 00:12:24,377 and the reunion Christine had long dreamed of ended 269 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:25,512 in a bittersweet parting. 270 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:27,014 I'll still call and that stuff. 271 00:12:27,114 --> 00:12:28,381 CHRISTINE REINHARD: Neither Craig nor I 272 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:32,786 are the same people we were two years ago before all of this 273 00:12:32,886 --> 00:12:35,022 happened. 274 00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:36,423 We're still very good friends, and we're 275 00:12:36,523 --> 00:12:37,590 always going to stay connected. 276 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:39,726 But we can't go back. 277 00:12:39,827 --> 00:12:41,061 He's not there. 278 00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:43,730 He doesn't have any sort of emotional attachment anymore, 279 00:12:43,831 --> 00:12:46,099 and I just have to accept that. 280 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:47,267 We are not the same people. 281 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:48,768 We still love each other. 282 00:12:48,869 --> 00:12:50,137 We still care for each other. 283 00:12:50,237 --> 00:12:53,373 But we've decided it's best for us to go our separate ways. 284 00:12:53,473 --> 00:12:56,043 We'll still be friends, and we still love each other, 285 00:12:56,143 --> 00:12:58,345 but we're not the same people that married. 286 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:00,213 You take good care of yourself, OK? 287 00:13:00,313 --> 00:13:02,582 I will too. 288 00:13:02,682 --> 00:13:03,951 Take care of yourself too. 289 00:13:04,051 --> 00:13:05,685 CHRISTINE REINHARD: Everything I've done has been worth it. 290 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:09,589 The search, all the effort that I put in trying to find Craig 291 00:13:09,689 --> 00:13:10,657 was worth it. 292 00:13:10,757 --> 00:13:12,159 I would do it all over again, and I can't 293 00:13:12,259 --> 00:13:15,562 imagine doing it any other way. 294 00:13:15,662 --> 00:13:18,398 Craig Williamson is now living with friends in California, 295 00:13:18,498 --> 00:13:21,034 hopefully receiving the medical treatment he needs. 296 00:13:21,134 --> 00:13:25,105 Christine has moved to Wyoming to begin life anew. 297 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:28,541 In a moment, two doctors, a desperately ill patient, 298 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:31,344 and a journey into the shadowy world of voodoo. 299 00:13:31,444 --> 00:13:35,315 [music playing] 300 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,359 Tonight, four innocent people are in hiding, 301 00:13:46,459 --> 00:13:48,128 worried that they may be the next victim 302 00:13:48,228 --> 00:13:51,698 of an alleged killer named Kelly McGinnis, all the result 303 00:13:51,798 --> 00:13:53,633 of a custody battle that began in bitterness, 304 00:13:53,733 --> 00:13:55,402 and apparently, ended in murder. 305 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:03,710 It happened just one month ago yesterday, August 12, 1996. 306 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:06,613 Thomas Meyer, the city attorney of Greenville, Illinois, 307 00:14:06,713 --> 00:14:10,383 was found shot to death in the alley behind his office. 308 00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:11,985 One of the first to respond to the scene 309 00:14:12,085 --> 00:14:15,322 was John King, Greenville's chief of police. 310 00:14:15,422 --> 00:14:18,892 Thomas Meyer was his best friend. 311 00:14:18,992 --> 00:14:22,996 It was one glance and I knew that it was him, 312 00:14:23,096 --> 00:14:27,767 and there was no life left. 313 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,970 ROBERT STACK: 67-year-old Thomas Meyer had suffered 314 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:32,172 multiple gunshot wounds. 315 00:14:32,272 --> 00:14:34,207 There were no witnesses to the shooting, 316 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:38,445 but fingers were pointing at Kelly McGinnis from the start. 317 00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:41,915 McGinnis and Meyer had recently clashed in this courtroom. 318 00:14:42,015 --> 00:14:44,217 Meyer had represented McGinnis's ex-wife 319 00:14:44,317 --> 00:14:46,219 in a legal action regarding the custody 320 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:49,189 of their two young children. 321 00:14:49,289 --> 00:14:51,558 LARRY LEFEVRE: Kelly McGinnis felt that the children 322 00:14:51,658 --> 00:14:53,426 would be better off with him. 323 00:14:53,526 --> 00:14:56,463 He desperately wanted to be the custodial parent. 324 00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:59,832 But the result was that Mrs. McGinnis was awarded custody, 325 00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:03,370 and Mr. McGinnis was awarded some visitation, 326 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:06,473 a fair amount of visitation. 327 00:15:06,573 --> 00:15:08,241 ROBERT STACK: McGinnis apparently refused to accept 328 00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:10,010 the decision as final. 329 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:12,946 Just hours before the murder of Thomas Meyer, McGinnis 330 00:15:13,046 --> 00:15:14,847 was back in the courthouse, reportedly 331 00:15:14,948 --> 00:15:18,118 still angry about being denied custody. 332 00:15:18,218 --> 00:15:20,720 No one knows what was going through his mind, 333 00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:22,489 but he was next seen near the alley where 334 00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:25,758 Thomas Meyer was shot dead. 335 00:15:25,858 --> 00:15:28,828 We have witnesses that put Mr. McGinnis at the scene 336 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:32,465 just prior to the shooting, and Mr. McGinnis 337 00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:35,802 was seen leaving the area shortly 338 00:15:35,902 --> 00:15:39,172 after the time of the murder. 339 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:40,807 ROBERT STACK: When police went to McGinnis's home 340 00:15:40,907 --> 00:15:43,610 to question him, no one answered the door. 341 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:47,447 When they broke it down, McGinnis had vanished. 342 00:15:47,547 --> 00:15:49,616 A day went by, a week. 343 00:15:49,716 --> 00:15:53,753 Some speculated that McGinnis taken his own life. 344 00:15:53,853 --> 00:15:56,823 Then 10 days after the murder, McGinnis mailed five letters 345 00:15:56,923 --> 00:15:59,259 from central Illinois. 346 00:15:59,359 --> 00:16:02,362 Two went to area newspapers and complained about corruption 347 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:04,397 in the judicial process. 348 00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:07,934 He wrote, in part, "clearly the only winner in a divorce case 349 00:16:08,035 --> 00:16:09,269 are the lawyers. 350 00:16:09,369 --> 00:16:13,340 Their gains being made at the expense of the children." 351 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,676 The other three letters went to relatives and a friend. 352 00:16:16,776 --> 00:16:18,445 In one of them-- 353 00:16:18,545 --> 00:16:22,415 The letter was very apologetic to his family. 354 00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,784 Although it wasn't an admission of the offense, 355 00:16:24,884 --> 00:16:26,653 it alluded to that. 356 00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:29,789 He appears to be very sorry for what happened. 357 00:16:29,889 --> 00:16:32,425 He makes mention of the fact that he will probably 358 00:16:32,525 --> 00:16:35,128 never see his children again, and he's 359 00:16:35,228 --> 00:16:38,531 very remorseful for that. 360 00:16:38,631 --> 00:16:39,832 ROBERT STACK: The killing has shattered 361 00:16:39,932 --> 00:16:42,001 Greenville's sense of security. 362 00:16:42,102 --> 00:16:43,336 Murders just don't happen here. 363 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:46,073 The last one was 10 years ago. 364 00:16:46,173 --> 00:16:50,577 Now, some fear the killing hasn't stopped. 365 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:53,513 McGinnis's ex-wife has left town with her children, 366 00:16:53,613 --> 00:16:55,548 their whereabouts a secret. 367 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:59,819 McGinnis's own attorney is under the protection of US Marshals. 368 00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:02,389 Guards have beefed up security at the courthouse. 369 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:06,059 And Ann Callis Rongey, the judge who ruled on McGinnis's custody 370 00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:09,229 suit has gone into hiding. 371 00:17:09,329 --> 00:17:11,831 Judge Rongey is very concerned for her safety. 372 00:17:11,931 --> 00:17:14,567 She's expressed that to us. 373 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:19,506 Also, I've spoken on a daily basis with her family members. 374 00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:22,675 She just wants him caught. 375 00:17:22,775 --> 00:17:24,077 ROBERT STACK: But no one wants McGinnis 376 00:17:24,177 --> 00:17:28,415 caught more than Thomas Meyers's widow, Barbara. 377 00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:31,184 I just pray that he will come forward 378 00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:34,487 without hurting anyone else. 379 00:17:34,587 --> 00:17:39,359 The McGinnis family, I'm sure, is suffering as much as we are. 380 00:17:39,459 --> 00:17:44,664 His parents, his siblings, his children, his ex-wife, we need 381 00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:46,499 some healing for everybody. 382 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:50,470 [music playing] 383 00:18:13,426 --> 00:18:16,863 ROBERT STACK: When we return, meet Linda Tellington-Jones. 384 00:18:16,963 --> 00:18:20,467 Can her mysterious healing touch soothe a savage beast? 385 00:18:20,567 --> 00:18:24,371 [music playing] 386 00:18:34,247 --> 00:18:35,948 If you are a person and you are in pain, 387 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:37,784 you can find a specialist somewhere to treat 388 00:18:37,884 --> 00:18:39,986 you no matter what the problem. 389 00:18:40,086 --> 00:18:41,954 But what if you're not a person? 390 00:18:42,054 --> 00:18:44,257 In the animal kingdom, Linda Tellington-Jones 391 00:18:44,357 --> 00:18:46,359 is a one-woman Mayo Clinic. 392 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:50,129 She uses her own special healing techniques she calls a TTouch. 393 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:51,598 The results are phenomenal. 394 00:18:51,698 --> 00:18:53,566 Truly, an unsolved mystery. 395 00:18:53,666 --> 00:18:57,437 [music playing] 396 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:02,675 Keiko the killer whale won hearts around the world 397 00:19:02,775 --> 00:19:07,180 when he escaped to the open sea in the film "Free Willy." 398 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,850 In real life, Keiko suffers from a troublesome papilloma, 399 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:14,454 a strange wart like growth beneath his pectoral fins. 400 00:19:14,554 --> 00:19:16,088 During the 10 years Keiko has lived 401 00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:18,191 at Adventure Kingdom in Mexico City, 402 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:20,560 no one has been able to cure it. 403 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:24,130 Enter Linda Tellington-Jones. 404 00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:27,700 When I was asked to work with Keiko with the touches, 405 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,569 I really didn't know if it would help him or not. 406 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:33,806 What I was hoping is that these little circular touches would 407 00:19:33,906 --> 00:19:37,410 actually affect the cells and help to reduce the effects 408 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:41,147 of this virus-like papilloma. 409 00:19:41,248 --> 00:19:43,115 ROBERT STACK: Keiko's handlers were amazed to see 410 00:19:43,216 --> 00:19:46,686 results almost immediately. 411 00:19:46,786 --> 00:19:51,090 The day after Linda was with Keiko, 412 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:55,895 we saw big changes on the papilloma. 413 00:19:55,995 --> 00:20:00,867 It was very thin, and it wasn't broken as it always is. 414 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:05,738 So he was active also. 415 00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:07,774 He was like, kind of very happy. 416 00:20:13,446 --> 00:20:15,748 Linda Tellington-Jones claims she has helped thousands 417 00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:19,519 of animals during the 20 years since she developed her TTouch. 418 00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:21,321 However, there are skeptics who suggest 419 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:24,857 that Linda's touch is no more than a pleasant massage. 420 00:20:24,957 --> 00:20:26,659 To get a firsthand look at this mystery, 421 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:29,462 we went to Out of Africa, a wild animal park 422 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:31,197 in Phoenix, Arizona. 423 00:20:31,298 --> 00:20:33,833 Jineane Ford, an anchorwoman on KPNX 424 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,503 TV, our NBC affiliate in Phoenix, 425 00:20:36,603 --> 00:20:37,704 joins us from the park. 426 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:42,975 JINEANE FORD: The Out of Africa Wildlife Park 427 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:46,646 showcases hundreds of different kinds of exotic animals 428 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:49,649 from all over the world. 429 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:51,984 And while the handlers here can take care of most 430 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,621 of the behavioral issues, these are wild animals, 431 00:20:54,721 --> 00:20:57,290 and there are some problem cases. 432 00:20:57,390 --> 00:21:00,927 For instance, this 400 pound Siberian tiger 433 00:21:01,027 --> 00:21:04,997 named Brindle has been known to unexpectedly charge her fence, 434 00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:10,269 scaring visitors and creating problems for her handlers. 435 00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:14,341 At first, she seemed open to Linda, but in an instant, 436 00:21:14,441 --> 00:21:16,075 the encounter turned ugly. 437 00:21:16,175 --> 00:21:18,311 She's just being nuzzled. 438 00:21:18,411 --> 00:21:19,479 Oh, no, no, no, Brindle, Brindle. 439 00:21:19,579 --> 00:21:21,448 No. 440 00:21:21,548 --> 00:21:22,915 [inaudible] 441 00:21:23,015 --> 00:21:24,884 What happened? 442 00:21:24,984 --> 00:21:26,753 JINEANE FORD: Linda had even less success 443 00:21:26,853 --> 00:21:30,357 with Cheddar, a temperamental African caracal whose 444 00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:32,191 paws may have nerve damage. 445 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:36,162 [music playing] 446 00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:37,129 [growling] 447 00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:42,602 JINEANE FORD: Fortunately, Cheddar, unlike the other cats, 448 00:21:42,702 --> 00:21:47,173 had been declawed, and Linda was not hurt. 449 00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:50,042 Undaunted, she went on to bigger game. 450 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:53,245 Kipling, a 400 pound Bengal tiger, 451 00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:56,616 has joints that are inflamed and very painful. 452 00:21:56,716 --> 00:21:59,352 Perhaps the TTouch can help him. 453 00:21:59,452 --> 00:22:02,822 But what exactly is the TTouch? 454 00:22:02,922 --> 00:22:04,491 LINDA TELLINGTON-JONES: They're a collection 455 00:22:04,591 --> 00:22:09,862 of circular touches done all over the body with the idea, 456 00:22:09,962 --> 00:22:13,165 with the intent, of waking up the functioning of the cells. 457 00:22:15,968 --> 00:22:18,237 And to make the connection, I do the big circles, 458 00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:20,039 and say, feel, you feel. 459 00:22:20,139 --> 00:22:21,841 And then when I really went into the joints, 460 00:22:21,941 --> 00:22:25,311 it's with very directed connection 461 00:22:25,412 --> 00:22:27,647 so that he really feels the intent 462 00:22:27,747 --> 00:22:29,248 of waking up those cells. 463 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,486 It's like turning on the electric lights of the body. 464 00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:34,721 So-- 465 00:22:34,821 --> 00:22:37,590 It seemed to calm him down, and his body relaxed, 466 00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:39,759 and his breathing came heavier. 467 00:22:39,859 --> 00:22:44,497 So he was going into a deep, relaxed state by her touch. 468 00:22:44,597 --> 00:22:46,032 When she got to a point where it was 469 00:22:46,132 --> 00:22:48,701 obvious his joints hurt him, he reacted, 470 00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:50,002 but not violently in any way. 471 00:22:50,102 --> 00:22:51,838 So now, we know where to touch him, where he really 472 00:22:51,938 --> 00:22:54,907 needs it, just from her what she did with that session with him. 473 00:22:57,644 --> 00:23:00,079 JINEANE FORD: Linda now faced her biggest challenge, 474 00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:04,584 Genesis, another Siberian tiger who doesn't have an off button. 475 00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:08,521 He is prone to attack almost anyone, even on occasion, 476 00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:10,690 handlers he's known all his life. 477 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:12,391 [growling] 478 00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:13,460 He has attacked me. 479 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,194 I have a personal experience with Genesis 480 00:23:15,294 --> 00:23:19,031 where he actually went through my arm, and way into my arm. 481 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:20,232 [growling] 482 00:23:21,367 --> 00:23:23,335 I'm hoping that, with Linda's touch, 483 00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:25,638 that we'll be able to work with him, because he needs touch. 484 00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:27,373 He very much wants to be handled, 485 00:23:27,474 --> 00:23:28,908 and yet, he's so dangerous. 486 00:23:29,008 --> 00:23:31,578 So I'm hoping that I will be able to be in there with him 487 00:23:31,678 --> 00:23:34,714 without getting hurt. 488 00:23:34,814 --> 00:23:36,282 JINEANE FORD: It was too risky for Linda 489 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:38,785 to go inside the tiger's enclosure. 490 00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:42,855 From outside, Linda guided Bobbi in performing the TTouch 491 00:23:42,955 --> 00:23:45,157 while another handler, Shea Erickson, 492 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:49,161 kept Genesis pacified by letting him lick her fingers. 493 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,630 Now, go back toward the shoulders. 494 00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:53,766 If there's a way you can keep him sucking, and you reach 495 00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:57,570 back, and if you can get to the neck and shoulders, 496 00:23:57,670 --> 00:24:00,707 and at least give him a little bit of relief on his shoulders. 497 00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:03,510 Because of course, when he's protecting his-- 498 00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:04,711 when he's putting so much pressure-- 499 00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:06,112 JINEANE FORD: In the first session, 500 00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:10,049 Genesis remained wary and alert, but relaxed enough to stretch 501 00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:11,283 out on his side. 502 00:24:11,383 --> 00:24:12,885 The primary contact with the hand, 503 00:24:12,985 --> 00:24:14,987 where he feels safe up on the shoulder, and the other one 504 00:24:15,087 --> 00:24:17,056 just kind of moves back. 505 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:19,559 And up there, along the top of the scapula, 506 00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,828 where your right hand is, that's where it kind of gets sore. 507 00:24:21,928 --> 00:24:26,332 What we find is that the touches override fear or aggression. 508 00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:27,700 It helps his body more. 509 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,302 Those are instinctive responses. 510 00:24:30,402 --> 00:24:33,239 And when we do these little circular touches 511 00:24:33,339 --> 00:24:37,644 all over the body, you can take an animal who's very fearful, 512 00:24:37,744 --> 00:24:40,246 or an animal who is aggressive, and suddenly, you 513 00:24:40,346 --> 00:24:43,950 change them at a core level, at the level of the brain. 514 00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:45,317 Then do what you just did-- 515 00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:47,987 JINEANE FORD: A few hours later, they tried a second session. 516 00:24:48,087 --> 00:24:50,657 Shea, again, gentled the tiger by letting him lick 517 00:24:50,757 --> 00:24:52,892 her fingers, while Bobbi continued 518 00:24:52,992 --> 00:24:54,861 to apply the Tellington touch. 519 00:24:54,961 --> 00:24:58,030 --circles in a different spot. 520 00:24:58,130 --> 00:25:00,132 Work with your left hand around the shoulders, 521 00:25:00,232 --> 00:25:05,872 just like you are, and slowly, go back down his back. 522 00:25:05,972 --> 00:25:07,206 JINEANE FORD: A few minutes later, 523 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:09,108 Shea took away the pacifier. 524 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:10,910 That's it. 525 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:11,911 That's it. 526 00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:12,845 SHEA ERICKSON: And I got very nervous 527 00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:14,080 because I knew, at that moment, he 528 00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:16,916 didn't have the same distraction that he had before. 529 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:18,517 And so there was a moment of hesitation. 530 00:25:18,618 --> 00:25:20,519 I put my hand by his mouth, wondering 531 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:21,420 what was going to go on. 532 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,089 But his response was wonderful. 533 00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:23,990 He knew I was there. 534 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:25,057 It was OK. 535 00:25:25,157 --> 00:25:28,127 And he was enjoying being touched. 536 00:25:28,227 --> 00:25:30,630 As a skeptic, you know, I don't understand 537 00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:32,765 part of her philosophy of relaxing 538 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,366 and getting to cellular levels. 539 00:25:34,466 --> 00:25:36,502 I mean, that doesn't make any sense to me 540 00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:37,403 from a medical standpoint. 541 00:25:37,503 --> 00:25:38,671 But-- 542 00:25:38,771 --> 00:25:41,240 JINEANE FORD: Dr. Irvin Ingram, a Phoenix veterinarian, 543 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,776 has treated Genesis several times. 544 00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:47,413 He approached the TTouch sessions with reservations. 545 00:25:47,513 --> 00:25:49,982 By the end of the day, Dr. Ingram saw 546 00:25:50,082 --> 00:25:53,052 a distinct change in the tiger. 547 00:25:53,152 --> 00:25:54,887 Something certainly made a difference, yeah. 548 00:25:54,987 --> 00:25:56,923 And she is the primary difference, 549 00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,425 I guess, today, but there is no question from this morning 550 00:25:59,525 --> 00:26:01,360 to this afternoon, much calmer. 551 00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,796 Seems almost aware of what's around him instead of being 552 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:05,497 in his own little world. 553 00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,734 But you're still skeptical over the whole? 554 00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:12,238 I don't understand, and certainly, I need more than one 555 00:26:12,338 --> 00:26:15,007 episode to be convinced. 556 00:26:15,107 --> 00:26:20,112 But it's a miraculous change on this individual case, yeah. 557 00:26:20,212 --> 00:26:21,914 I couldn't ask for better results 558 00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:23,449 than what we got from Genesis. 559 00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:25,117 It was wonderful, absolutely wonderful, 560 00:26:25,217 --> 00:26:27,286 to be able to be in there with him 561 00:26:27,386 --> 00:26:31,090 and not experience that fear I had before, 562 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:33,626 with that touch being the go between, if you will. 563 00:26:33,726 --> 00:26:36,128 Oh, yeah. 564 00:26:36,228 --> 00:26:38,064 How does the touch work? 565 00:26:38,164 --> 00:26:40,166 Ha, ha, I wish I knew. 566 00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:41,267 I don't know how the-- 567 00:26:41,367 --> 00:26:42,669 I don't know why it works. 568 00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:44,303 I don't really know how it works. 569 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:48,274 We only know from experience in six continents 570 00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:50,977 with incredible numbers of animals and people 571 00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:52,178 that it does work. 572 00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,114 But it's a mystery. 573 00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:56,949 According to Linda Tellington-Jones, 574 00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:59,218 anyone can learn the TTouch. 575 00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:01,754 Perhaps in the future, a visit to the doctor 576 00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:04,857 won't mean a shot, but a gentle touch. 577 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:07,226 And how are Linda's tiger patients doing? 578 00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:11,163 Much better, particularly Genesis, who is now literally 579 00:27:11,263 --> 00:27:12,398 acting like a pussycat. 580 00:27:15,902 --> 00:27:19,706 When we return, two doctors, a desperately ill patient, 581 00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:22,474 and a journey into the shadowy world of voodoo. 582 00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:26,478 [music playing] 583 00:27:32,551 --> 00:27:36,422 [non-english singing] 584 00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:44,964 ROBERT STACK: Voodoo-- for most of us, the word brings 585 00:27:45,064 --> 00:27:49,068 to mind images of death hexes and evil curses, blood, pain, 586 00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:50,302 agony. 587 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:52,638 But believers say that is black magic. 588 00:27:52,739 --> 00:27:54,907 Voodoo is something altogether different. 589 00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:58,978 [non-english singing] 590 00:27:59,078 --> 00:28:01,280 ROBERT STACK: Ava Kay Jones is a priestess of voodoo 591 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:03,382 in New Orleans, Louisiana. 592 00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:07,987 She insists that voodoo is a force for good, not evil. 593 00:28:08,087 --> 00:28:10,622 It is, in fact, an ancient, nature-based religion 594 00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,658 that traces its origins back thousands 595 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:13,592 of years to West Africa. 596 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:16,595 [non-english singing] 597 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,799 A lot of people come to me who somehow 598 00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:23,602 seem to be fixed in negative emotions, 599 00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,938 negative ways of thinking. 600 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:30,176 Some of them are, in fact, hexed. 601 00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:33,145 ROBERT STACK: But are hexes and incantations real? 602 00:28:33,245 --> 00:28:36,115 Can voodoo affect someone on a physical level? 603 00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:40,452 Or is it all in the minds of those who believe? 604 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:44,456 AVA KAY JONES: There is truly a psychological component 605 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:49,996 to voodoo, and by that I mean, certainly, if you want to be 606 00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:53,966 healed, and if you believe that you will be healed, 607 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:58,437 your state of mind has a direct effect on your healing. 608 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:04,476 Faith works miracles. 609 00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:07,213 That idea is common to all religions. 610 00:29:07,313 --> 00:29:10,416 And now, science is beginning to accept that the power of belief 611 00:29:10,516 --> 00:29:14,286 can indeed cure, whether it's the healing waters at Lourdes 612 00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:17,189 or the arcane rituals of voodoo. 613 00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:18,958 In the story you are about to see, 614 00:29:19,058 --> 00:29:22,194 two doctors create their own voodoo ceremony. 615 00:29:22,294 --> 00:29:26,032 It's a daring last ditch attempt to save a dying man. 616 00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:29,035 It may defy all you know about medical treatment, 617 00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:32,704 but those involved swear every detail is true. 618 00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:34,340 Mr. Bennett-- 619 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,944 ROBERT STACK: In 1967, Dr. Larry Dossey was a young intern 620 00:29:38,044 --> 00:29:39,411 at a hospital in Texas. 621 00:29:39,511 --> 00:29:40,813 You're losing weight, right? 622 00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:42,181 How much weight are you losing? 623 00:29:42,281 --> 00:29:44,150 ROBERT STACK: One afternoon, he was assigned a new patient, 624 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:45,417 a man we will call Harold. 625 00:29:45,517 --> 00:29:46,552 About 35 pounds. 626 00:29:46,652 --> 00:29:47,786 ROBERT STACK: Harold was as weak and emaciated-- 627 00:29:47,887 --> 00:29:48,787 OK, what about pain? Have you experienced-- 628 00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:49,488 ROBERT STACK: --as a prisoner of war. 629 00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,357 --any pain anywhere? 630 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,460 Not really, sometimes when I cough. 631 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,727 OK. 632 00:29:55,828 --> 00:29:56,963 We're going to run some tests. 633 00:29:57,063 --> 00:29:58,697 We're going to do some blood tests and some x-rays, 634 00:29:58,797 --> 00:29:59,932 that sort of thing. 635 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:01,834 We're going to find out what your problem is, OK? 636 00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:02,969 Thank you, Doctor. 637 00:30:03,069 --> 00:30:06,505 I embarked on an elaborate evaluation, 638 00:30:06,605 --> 00:30:10,109 a medical work up, to uncover the cause of the problem. 639 00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,979 And this man's chart just began to get thicker 640 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,547 and thicker with normal tests. 641 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:18,350 Mr. Bennett, I don't understand it. 642 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:19,585 I've run every test I know how. 643 00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:21,387 I performed every exam I know how. 644 00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:23,355 And they all come up normal. 645 00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:25,124 How do you feel? 646 00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:26,225 Not good at all, Doc. 647 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:28,594 No, you don't look good. 648 00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:30,162 I just don't know what to do. 649 00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:31,563 ROBERT STACK: A baffled Dr. Dossey 650 00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:34,000 called in another intern, Dr. William Hensley, 651 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:35,067 for a second opinion. 652 00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:36,068 --Dr. Dossey. 653 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:37,803 We've been really worried about you. 654 00:30:37,904 --> 00:30:40,606 And I wanted to come see you to find out possibly of anything 655 00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:43,209 that you know of unusual that has happened to you, 656 00:30:43,309 --> 00:30:46,412 such as an insect bite or anything of that sort. 657 00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:52,584 Doctor, do you believe in hoodoo? 658 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,354 ROBERT STACK: Dr. Hensley was stunned by the question. 659 00:30:55,454 --> 00:30:57,856 It took him back some 20 years to his grandmother's 660 00:30:57,957 --> 00:31:00,960 sprawling south Texas ranch. 661 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,695 A woman named Mary, reputed to be a voodoo queen, 662 00:31:03,795 --> 00:31:06,198 lived out back. 663 00:31:06,298 --> 00:31:09,168 As a small child, Dr. Hensley witnessed Mary's power 664 00:31:09,268 --> 00:31:11,603 firsthand when a young woman was assaulted 665 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:12,738 by one of the ranch workers. 666 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:18,610 When the constable came to arrest him, 667 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:20,846 my grandmother refused to let that happen, 668 00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:23,549 and had him sent back to the back of the place. 669 00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:28,020 And Mary, who was the head person in the back, 670 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,689 said that she had put a death hex on him. 671 00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:32,024 And sure enough, that night there 672 00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:33,659 was all kinds of clattering going on, 673 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:35,861 and a fire at the back of the place. 674 00:31:35,962 --> 00:31:39,065 And this went on every night for several nights. 675 00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:43,569 And then one day, Mary came to the back door and said, 676 00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:45,437 Juan's dead. 677 00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:46,705 And they came and picked him up. 678 00:31:46,805 --> 00:31:48,407 And my uncle, who was a physician, 679 00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:51,910 said there wasn't a mark on him. 680 00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:54,613 Awhile back, I went to see a reader. 681 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:56,115 I was having some problems. 682 00:31:56,215 --> 00:31:58,084 ROBERT STACK: Harold confided to Dr. Hensley 683 00:31:58,184 --> 00:32:00,152 that he had refused to pay a fortune teller 684 00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:01,287 who had given him a reading. 685 00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:02,654 And two weeks after that, [inaudible] 686 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:05,457 ROBERT STACK: She apparently cursed Harold with a death hex. 687 00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:08,727 I started feeling bad, feeling real bad. 688 00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:10,129 You really believe this? 689 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:13,499 I believe she put a dying hex on me, Doctor. 690 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,801 There really was a possibility that someone with that 691 00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:18,170 a strong belief system could actually 692 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:20,472 be frightened to death. 693 00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:22,208 Larry, I just met with Harold. 694 00:32:22,308 --> 00:32:23,542 Yeah? 695 00:32:23,642 --> 00:32:25,211 You're not going to believe what he told me. 696 00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:26,112 What? 697 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:29,548 Let's go talk over here. 698 00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:30,983 LARRY DOSSEY: You know, I considered myself 699 00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:32,818 a fairly thorough physician, but yet I 700 00:32:32,918 --> 00:32:36,755 was blind to the possibility that anything like a hexing 701 00:32:36,855 --> 00:32:38,724 or cursing had taken place. 702 00:32:38,824 --> 00:32:41,060 So this just didn't have a place in the way 703 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,228 I thought the world worked. 704 00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:43,862 I was thinking about actually doing a dehexing. 705 00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:45,964 ROBERT STACK: But Dr. Hensley's world view was different-- 706 00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:47,199 He's came to think he's been hexed. 707 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:49,135 ROBERT STACK: --in fact, radically different. 708 00:32:49,235 --> 00:32:50,536 What kind of procedure? 709 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:54,640 We could take a fingernail of his or some hair, and burn it. 710 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:55,607 Um, I don't know. 711 00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:56,975 That sounds pretty far out. 712 00:32:57,076 --> 00:32:58,310 Well, the thing is, if we let him-- 713 00:32:58,410 --> 00:32:59,845 ROBERT STACK: Dr. Hensley we felt there was only one way 714 00:32:59,945 --> 00:33:01,447 to cure Harold. - --better medicine. 715 00:33:01,547 --> 00:33:03,415 ROBERT STACK: He wanted to use the voodoo techniques 716 00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:08,487 he had learned as a child to drive out the evil spirits. 717 00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:11,490 I was confronted with something, for me, 718 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:13,525 that was very, very strange. 719 00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:17,363 I realized though that we'd better do something, 720 00:33:17,463 --> 00:33:18,630 because this man was dying. 721 00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:25,804 We were fearful, and we were convinced at the time 722 00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:30,776 that we could be severely reprimanded, if not fired. 723 00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:34,946 Therefore, we did this at the slow time of the week, which 724 00:33:35,047 --> 00:33:39,051 was late Saturday night, so no one would 725 00:33:39,151 --> 00:33:42,921 witness this ceremony, this dehexing ritual. 726 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,524 I knew that there had to be a fire. 727 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:48,827 I knew that we had to have a body part. 728 00:33:48,927 --> 00:33:50,529 And I knew that we had to convince him 729 00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:55,767 that we were superior, and could overcome the hex 730 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,537 that had been put on him. 731 00:33:58,637 --> 00:34:00,406 ROBERT STACK: Whether by accident or fate, 732 00:34:00,506 --> 00:34:03,775 it was a full moon night. 733 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,878 The doctors needed fire. 734 00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:09,215 They lit a drug called Mandelamine. 735 00:34:09,315 --> 00:34:12,484 It burned with an eerie flame. 736 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:14,453 This magic is more powerful than any 737 00:34:14,553 --> 00:34:15,987 that has come before it. 738 00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:17,423 ROBERT STACK: They needed a lock of hair. 739 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,894 And finally, the incantation-- 740 00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,164 As your hair burns, the hex is removed. 741 00:34:30,436 --> 00:34:33,439 Harold, if you breathe word of this to anyone, 742 00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,607 the hex will return two-fold. 743 00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:39,545 [music playing] 744 00:34:47,052 --> 00:34:48,720 Hello, how are you doing? 745 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:49,621 Good morning. 746 00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:50,622 I have something for you. 747 00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:51,523 Oh. 748 00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:52,491 Oh, and let me get this. 749 00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:53,892 That's OK. 750 00:34:53,992 --> 00:34:55,894 ROBERT STACK: The next morning, to everyone's amazement, Harold 751 00:34:55,994 --> 00:34:57,496 was alert and full of life. 752 00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,198 Could I have some ham and eggs too? 753 00:34:59,298 --> 00:35:01,066 - Sure, that's what you want? - Yes. 754 00:35:01,167 --> 00:35:02,000 OK, I'll go get it. 755 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:02,901 Thank you. 756 00:35:06,372 --> 00:35:07,673 Harold. 757 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:09,074 Hi, Doctor. 758 00:35:09,175 --> 00:35:11,109 Hi, how are you feeling today? 759 00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:12,278 Much, much, much better. 760 00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:13,845 It looks like you're appetites back, huh? 761 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,481 LARRY DOSSEY: It was genuine. 762 00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:19,385 There was a cure overnight, literally, overnight. 763 00:35:19,485 --> 00:35:23,189 This man turned the corner from death into life. 764 00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:27,226 This was your basic dramatic miracle kind of cure. 765 00:35:27,326 --> 00:35:30,596 I don't believe that anything medically cured him. 766 00:35:30,696 --> 00:35:32,598 And I don't know what did. 767 00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:39,137 I know that he believed so strongly in both what 768 00:35:39,238 --> 00:35:41,607 was happening to him and what we were doing 769 00:35:41,707 --> 00:35:43,542 to change what was happening to him 770 00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:48,113 that we were able to prevail. 771 00:35:48,214 --> 00:35:51,082 There are a lot of people who are lay people who 772 00:35:51,183 --> 00:35:56,054 are excellent mediums who are not necessarily 773 00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,824 in the priesthood who know how to deal 774 00:35:58,924 --> 00:36:01,427 with spirit forces and forms. 775 00:36:01,527 --> 00:36:04,696 And Dr. Hensley did have a background in-- 776 00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:10,101 because of his childhood, in dealing with magic. 777 00:36:10,202 --> 00:36:12,404 This magic is more powerful than any that came before it. 778 00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:15,507 ROBERT STACK: Does voodoo truly work, or was Harold's illness 779 00:36:15,607 --> 00:36:17,776 and his swift recovery brought on entirely 780 00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:19,245 by his own imagination? 781 00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:22,047 The hex is removed. 782 00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:24,283 In order to understand why this man lived, 783 00:36:24,383 --> 00:36:27,786 we have to understand that belief is biology. 784 00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:29,988 Your belief becomes your biology. 785 00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:32,190 There's not the mind here, and the body over here, 786 00:36:32,291 --> 00:36:34,526 they are not separate. 787 00:36:34,626 --> 00:36:35,961 So if you wanted to cure this man, 788 00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:38,163 you need not just work on the body. 789 00:36:38,264 --> 00:36:40,299 You could work with the belief system. 790 00:36:40,399 --> 00:36:42,701 This is what all shamans do. 791 00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:44,202 This is what Dr. Hensley did. 792 00:36:44,303 --> 00:36:48,206 [non-english singing] 793 00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:54,246 No matter what you may believe about voodoo, 794 00:36:54,346 --> 00:36:56,415 there is no doubt that the mind can be one of medicine's 795 00:36:56,515 --> 00:36:58,717 most powerful tools. 796 00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:01,620 Though Harold's doctors never again prescribed voodoo, 797 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,755 they have always remained open to alternative forms 798 00:37:03,855 --> 00:37:04,656 of healing. 799 00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:09,428 Stay tuned. 800 00:37:09,528 --> 00:37:11,763 Perhaps you can help locate a young man 801 00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:14,966 who has no idea that he has inherited more than $50,000. 802 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,537 [music playing] 803 00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:31,082 Over the years, we have found that every missing person's 804 00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:33,285 case has its own unique twist. 805 00:37:33,385 --> 00:37:36,288 Tonight, with your help, we hope to reunite a family. 806 00:37:36,388 --> 00:37:38,290 And in the process, find the long lost heir 807 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:43,762 to a $50,000 estate. 808 00:37:43,862 --> 00:37:47,333 Like any teenager, 19-year-old Tim Molnar of Daytona 809 00:37:47,433 --> 00:37:49,701 Beach, Florida, had his moods. 810 00:37:49,801 --> 00:37:52,237 But by all accounts, they gave no hint of what would 811 00:37:52,338 --> 00:37:58,377 happen on January 24, 1984. 812 00:37:58,477 --> 00:38:00,912 Tim, a student in aeronautical mechanics, 813 00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:04,215 simply drove away from home and out of his family's life. 814 00:38:08,186 --> 00:38:14,360 Tim was a rather quiet, sensitive type of a person, 815 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:17,696 but he was always very polite and well-mannered. 816 00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:19,831 And he was doing well in school. 817 00:38:19,931 --> 00:38:22,568 He was on the dean's list, in fact, 818 00:38:22,668 --> 00:38:26,338 and he was a very likeable person. 819 00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:27,305 I'm really getting worried. 820 00:38:27,406 --> 00:38:29,408 He's always so prompt. 821 00:38:29,508 --> 00:38:30,909 Well, why don't you give Billy a call? 822 00:38:31,009 --> 00:38:32,644 ROBERT STACK: Tim's parents grew increasingly 823 00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:36,415 frightened as the hours passed and Tim failed to come home. 824 00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:38,950 Frank, did he act kind of strangely when you dropped-- 825 00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,051 dropped you off at school? 826 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,219 Or did he say anything? 827 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:42,588 ROBERT STACK: His 14-year-old brother, Frank, 828 00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:44,990 had been the last family member to see him. 829 00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:46,425 He said to have a nice day. 830 00:38:46,525 --> 00:38:48,360 OK. 831 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,496 FRANK MOLNAR: There's a pretty good age difference between us. 832 00:38:50,596 --> 00:38:53,399 But we still hung out a lot, because we got along real good 833 00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:55,000 and pretty open relationship. 834 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,503 And I could just tell something was-- 835 00:38:57,603 --> 00:38:59,004 something was bothering him. 836 00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:00,706 While he wasn't really saying, it seemed like there 837 00:39:00,806 --> 00:39:02,073 was a lot going on in his mind. 838 00:39:05,777 --> 00:39:06,978 ROBERT STACK: Two weeks passed. - Sir, sir? 839 00:39:07,078 --> 00:39:08,313 ROBERT STACK: No word from Tim. 840 00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:09,681 Hi. 841 00:39:09,781 --> 00:39:11,517 ROBERT STACK: The Molnar's first clue came from a gas station 842 00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:14,953 in Lake City, Florida, 150 miles north. 843 00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,321 On the day he disappeared-- - my son, Tim, was here. 844 00:39:16,422 --> 00:39:17,322 And he's been missing-- 845 00:39:17,423 --> 00:39:18,657 ROBERT STACK: Tim had stopped there 846 00:39:18,757 --> 00:39:21,059 and paid for a tank of gas with his parents' credit card. 847 00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,063 Do you remember seeing him possibly? 848 00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:26,164 ATTENDANT: Oh, yeah, yeah. 849 00:39:26,264 --> 00:39:28,133 I remember the car. TIM'S MOTHER: You do? 850 00:39:28,233 --> 00:39:29,768 ATTENDANT: Yeah, Dodge Dart. 851 00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:30,936 Was he alone? 852 00:39:31,036 --> 00:39:32,237 ROBERT STACK: The attendant recalled that Tim 853 00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,672 had been traveling alone. - As I can remember, he was. 854 00:39:33,772 --> 00:39:34,806 ROBERT STACK: But traveling where? 855 00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,608 And did you notice anything wrong? 856 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:38,143 ROBERT STACK: Tim's family could only guess. 857 00:39:38,243 --> 00:39:39,478 Yeah, he wasn't very pretty talkative. 858 00:39:39,578 --> 00:39:41,112 ROBERT STACK: They received a letter from an auto 859 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:42,514 impound company in Georgia. 860 00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:45,216 That is Tim's car. 861 00:39:45,316 --> 00:39:47,553 ROBERT STACK: The Molnar's learned that six days after Tim 862 00:39:47,653 --> 00:39:49,488 vanished, his car had been abandoned 863 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:51,823 in a parking lot one block from Atlanta's 864 00:39:51,923 --> 00:39:53,158 Greyhound bus terminal. 865 00:39:56,562 --> 00:39:58,129 When we went to inspect the car, 866 00:39:58,229 --> 00:40:02,133 we did find his driver's license, and wallet, 867 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,536 and some identification, and our credit 868 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:10,709 card, which indicated to me that he changed his identity. 869 00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:13,479 And in other words, he wanted to start a new life from there on. 870 00:40:17,483 --> 00:40:18,884 ROBERT STACK: One fact was undeniable. 871 00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:19,785 It's empty. 872 00:40:19,885 --> 00:40:21,086 He had a red bicycle. 873 00:40:21,186 --> 00:40:22,621 ROBERT STACK: Someone had carefully removed everything 874 00:40:22,721 --> 00:40:23,855 of value from the car. 875 00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:26,925 A new stereo, Tim's expensive tool 876 00:40:27,025 --> 00:40:30,095 set, and a 10-speed bike he had packed in the trunk 877 00:40:30,195 --> 00:40:31,663 were all missing. 878 00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:33,999 The best thing we can do now is continue to-- 879 00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:35,333 ROBERT STACK: Had Tim Molnar sold 880 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,970 his possessions to buy a one-way bus ticket to a new life? 881 00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:42,741 Or was the explanation perhaps more sinister? 882 00:40:42,841 --> 00:40:44,943 I worried mostly about foul play 883 00:40:45,043 --> 00:40:48,279 and was afraid that something happened to him, because we 884 00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:51,583 have no proof that he drove his car from Lake City, Florida 885 00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:52,484 to Atlanta. 886 00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:57,388 ROBERT STACK: Tim Molnar left behind a tangle 887 00:40:57,489 --> 00:40:59,491 of conflicting clues. 888 00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:02,093 On one hand, he didn't take any clothes with him. 889 00:41:02,193 --> 00:41:06,431 Perhaps he had never really intended to stay away. 890 00:41:06,532 --> 00:41:08,433 And yet, just before leaving, Tim 891 00:41:08,534 --> 00:41:11,837 had withdrawn nearly all the money from his savings account. 892 00:41:11,937 --> 00:41:15,607 He did, however, leave a balance of $10, as though to say he 893 00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:18,710 might someday return. 894 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:21,647 I mean, no matter where he is or what he's up to, 895 00:41:21,747 --> 00:41:22,748 it'd be great to see him. 896 00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:24,716 And just, you know, tell him we miss him, 897 00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:29,320 and kind of curious why he left, what have you. 898 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,624 I'm sure-- I don't know what the circumstances were. 899 00:41:32,724 --> 00:41:35,493 But it'd be great to see him. 900 00:41:35,594 --> 00:41:39,464 [music playing] 901 00:42:04,489 --> 00:42:06,391 Join me two weeks from tonight for 902 00:42:06,491 --> 00:42:11,897 another fascinating addition of "Unsolved Mysteries." 903 00:42:11,997 --> 00:42:14,265 [theme music] 904 00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:51,670 [theme music] 70654

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