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[theme music]
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ANNOUNCER: Tonight, on
"Unsolved Mysteries."
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ROBERT STACK: A rock star turned
computer whiz alone in his car
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on the freeway, a desperate
call to 911, and then nothing.
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A man and his vehicle
literally vanish into thin air.
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What happened to Taylor Kramer?
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Voodoo, the very word conjures
up images of black magic,
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hexes, and curses.
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But believers insist voodoo
can be a force for good.
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Just wait until you see
the incredible story
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of two doctors in Texas who
turned voodoo to the cure
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a dying man.
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Recently, this man lost
custody of his children
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after a bitter court battle.
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Now, police believe
he is a killer.
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The victim was his
ex-wife's attorney.
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How do you treat an arthritic
tiger with an attitude?
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Perhaps you can call on
Linda Tellington-Jones,
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a therapist with an
orthodox approach
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and an unconventional
client list.
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Join me.
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Perhaps you hold
the one vital clue
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that will help solve one of
tonight's unsolved mysteries.
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[theme music]
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OPERATOR (ON PHONE):
911, can I help you?
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TAYLOR KRAMER (ON
PHONE): Yes, you can.
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I'm going to kill myself.
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OPERATOR (ON PHONE): OK.
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What is your name?
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Hello?
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[dial tone]
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Hello?
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ROBERT STACK: That call to a
911 operator in Los Angeles
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marks the moment
this man, Phillip
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Taylor Kramer, vanished.
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The question is, did
he commit suicide?
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And if he did, why have
so many people seen him?
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[MUSIC PLAYING - IRON BUTTERFLY,
"IN A GADDA DA VIDA"]
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(SINGING) In a gadda da
vida, honey, don't you
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know that I'm loving you?
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ROBERT STACK: In the
1970s, Taylor Kramer
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was a bass player for the rock
and roll band, Iron Butterfly.
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By the '90s, Taylor had settled
down and become a family man.
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Taylor and his wife, Jennifer,
have two young children, a boy
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and a girl.
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Taylor Kramer is also
a math and computer
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whiz who founded
his own high tech
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multimedia company in 1990.
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Yes.
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ROBERT STACK: For several
weeks before his disappearance,
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he had been working
around the clock
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on an exciting new breakthrough.
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- What time is it?
- I don't know.
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JENNIFER KRAMER: He
said, it's very simple.
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It's been here the whole time.
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It's so simple that no
one has discovered it.
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I can't believe how
close I am right now.
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And he said, imagine,
Jennifer, a computer
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and a camera being able to
find a missing child in a sea
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of thousands of people by
just showing the computer
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a small piece of
that child's face,
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and finding that child in
a fraction of a second.
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ROBERT STACK: Taylor's
research consumed him.
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It was based on revolutionary
theories about data
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compression, ideas
that his father,
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a former professor of
electrical engineering,
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had developed 30 years earlier.
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My brother was just
so excited in the fact
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that they had made this
beautiful discovery
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that was going to help people.
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And I believe, in
fact, that that's real.
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But my brother, just it
being the person that he is,
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the excitement of it
all and everything
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just overwhelmed him.
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Sweetheart, the hand
of God has touched me.
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Hey, Taylor, calm down.
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You're going to twist an ankle.
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I can do no wrong.
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He's sending me the truth, babe.
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JENNIFER KRAMER: The day
before he disappeared,
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we went on a hike
up in Thousand Oaks.
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And we hiked up to
the top of the hill--
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It's my favorite color.
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JENNIFER KRAMER:
--and we look across,
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and you can see the whole
Conejo Valley where we live.
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And there's a cross up
on the hill that belongs
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to one of the colleges nearby.
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And he turned around, and
he pointed to the cross.
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And he said, look,
honey, our house
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is right in the
path of this cross.
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He started to see
sacredness in everything.
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Jennifer now blames
Taylor's bizarre behavior
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on sleep deprivation.
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Like I said, they're
coming in a little after--
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ROBERT STACK: The
day after the hike,
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Taylor left home around 9 AM.
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We'll be back here 1:30, 2:00.
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ROBERT STACK: He would visit
his father-in-law briefly, then
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go to the airport to
pick up a business
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associate and his wife.
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Taylor went to the airport as
scheduled, waited 25 minutes,
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then inexplicably left
before his friends arrived.
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He drove north toward his home.
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Along the way, he made
a series of phone calls.
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At one point, he left a message
for his old friend, Ron Bushy,
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the drummer for Iron Butterfly.
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Bushy, this is Kramer.
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I love you more
than life itself.
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RON BUSHY: His voice
sounded stressed.
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He sounded maybe, like, scared.
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Maybe he had even been crying.
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I don't know.
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But apparently, this cell
phone call from his car
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was made to me.
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He also called Jennifer
and a lot of other people.
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Hi, Jenny.
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Listen, uh, tell Greg--
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tell Greg I'm not going
to be able to meet
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him at the airport.
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He'll understand.
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OK?
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And I said, Taylor,
where are you?
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Where are you going?
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What are you doing?
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Sweetheart, I want you to
remember that whatever happens,
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I'll always be with you.
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And I started to get
scared, and I thought,
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something is wrong with Taylor.
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And I said, where are you going?
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You just tell him
that, uh, I'll meet
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him at the hotel at 1:00, OK?
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JENNIFER KRAMER: And really
calmly and lovingly--
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They'll just grab a cab.
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JENNIFER KRAMER: --like he
normally talks to me, he said,
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"and when I see you, honey, I
have a big surprise for you."
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And I'll see you [inaudible].
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JENNIFER KRAMER:
But I knew in my gut
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that Taylor wasn't going
to be at the hotel.
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I just knew that he
wouldn't be there.
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ROBERT STACK: An hour later,
Taylor made his last contact,
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a call to 911.
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OPERATOR (ON PHONE):
911, can I help you?
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TAYLOR KRAMER (ON
PHONE): Yes, you can.
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I'm going to kill myself.
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OPERATOR (ON PHONE): OK.
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What is your name?
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Hello?
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[dial tone]
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Hello?
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It's really hard to commit
suicide and take your life
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and disappear.
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I mean, somebody is
going to find you.
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Somebody is going
to find the car,
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and the car and him were gone.
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ROBERT STACK: No car, no body,
no further activity on Taylor's
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credit cards or cellular phone.
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However, after his family
papered the Los Angeles area
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with posters, several
people claimed
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they had seen Taylor
Kramer near the area
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where he made his phone calls.
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A pawn shop employee in
Canoga Park, California,
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spotted Taylor in late February.
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When he was here that day,
he left an impression on me.
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And then when Chuck came in
and showed me the picture,
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I was positive that it was
him, because we stood here
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and talked for a little while.
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So I mean, I couldn't
be wrong about it.
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That's why I'm 100%
sure that it was him.
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ROBERT STACK: Around
the same time,
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Jan Biondi and her daughter
saw Taylor at her garage sale.
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Then later that day,
Kathy came by in the car
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passing out the flyers.
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And said, you know,
he likes garage sales.
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He's been seen in this area.
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Have you seen him?
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And my daughter said,
yeah, yeah, yeah,
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he was here this morning.
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I'll see you.
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ROBERT STACK: If Taylor
Kramer did not commit suicide,
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what happened to him?
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On February 28, 1995, 2 and 1/2
weeks after his disappearance,
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Jennifer believes he made
one final call to his family.
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JENNIFER KRAMER: He
called the house,
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and the answering
machine picked up.
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And all Taylor said
was, hello, hello.
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[music playing]
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ROBERT STACK: In a moment,
an unexpected conclusion in
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the case of a missing husband.
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[music playing]
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Recently, we brought
you a missing persons
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case that was perhaps
one of the most
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unusual we've ever presented.
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Now, the case is solved, and the
outcome has proven to be just
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as odd as the story itself.
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In 1990, Christine
Reinhard finally
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found the man of her dreams.
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I now pronounce
you husband and wife.
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ROBERT STACK: She
and Craig Williamson
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were married just a
month after they met.
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Craig, you may kiss your wife.
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ROBERT STACK: The newlyweds
were virtually inseparable.
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They bought a farm in
Wisconsin, and began
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to raise exotic fish for
sale to gourmet restaurants.
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But in 1993, Christine
Reinhard's perfect world
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was torn apart.
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That August, Craig drove to
Colorado Springs, Colorado,
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on a business trip,
and never returned.
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Craig's disappearance launched
Christine on a heartbreaking 18
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month search.
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She traveled to
Colorado Springs,
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posted flyers, asked questions.
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She went to the hotel
where Craig was last seen.
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I haven't seen him.
I don't know him.
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ROBERT STACK: Every
lead came to a dead end.
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Yet Christine refused
to give up hope.
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CHRISTINE REINHARD:
I know he's alive,
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and I know someday
I'll find him.
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The trouble is I
don't know when,
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and I just have to
keep hanging on.
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The hardest part is hanging on.
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Shortly after our broadcast,
Christine Reinhard's long
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odyssey finally came to an end.
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However, it was a far cry
from the joyous conclusion
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she had hoped for.
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Here's Keely Shaye
Smith with the details.
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After seeing himself
on our program,
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Craig Williamson
phoned Christine
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from Key West, Florida, where
he was working as a handyman.
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Craig was now going
by the name of Ron,
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and he bore little
resemblance to the loving
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husband Christine remembered.
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The phone rang,
and he said, hello,
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Christine, this is Craig.
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And it didn't really
sound like him.
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He sounded like a
shell of himself.
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It-- it-- from what
phrases he used
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and things like that,
I knew it was Craig.
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But his voice was
really, oh-- very weak.
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And I was just shaking.
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I was-- I was in total shock.
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KEELY SHAYE SMITH:
Craig Williamson
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recounted a harrowing tale.
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All he could
remember was that he
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had been attacked by an unknown
assailant in Colorado Springs.
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What followed were two
years of severe amnesia,
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painful headaches, and
frequent blackouts--
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two years with virtually
no sense of who he was.
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When I saw this whole thing
on "Unsolved Mysteries,"
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I realized that I
was Craig Williamson.
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But I didn't know who
Craig Williamson was.
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I didn't have a clue who he was.
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I knew that he had
a family someplace.
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I-- I knew that he was married.
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I didn't know that
he had a fish farm.
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I didn't know a lot.
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KEELY SHAYE SMITH:
Last September,
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Craig and Christine met in
Colorado Springs, Colorado.
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Christine hoped that
a tour of the area
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where Craig had disappeared
might help to jog his memory.
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Does that look at
all familiar to you?
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It-- it doesn't--
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it looks familiar from
the "Unsolved Mysteries"
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segment, but it doesn't--
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there's nothing here.
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I feel nothing, no
attachment to it.
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So, no, it doesn't,
except for the--
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KEELY SHAYE SMITH: In the
end, Craig remembered nothing,
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and the reunion Christine
had long dreamed of ended
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in a bittersweet parting.
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I'll still call
and that stuff.
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CHRISTINE REINHARD:
Neither Craig nor I
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are the same people we were two
years ago before all of this
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happened.
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We're still very good
friends, and we're
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always going to stay connected.
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But we can't go back.
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He's not there.
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He doesn't have any sort of
emotional attachment anymore,
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and I just have to accept that.
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We are not the same people.
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We still love each other.
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We still care for each other.
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But we've decided it's best
for us to go our separate ways.
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We'll still be friends, and
we still love each other,
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but we're not the same
people that married.
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You take good care
of yourself, OK?
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I will too.
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Take care of yourself too.
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CHRISTINE REINHARD: Everything
I've done has been worth it.
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The search, all the effort that
I put in trying to find Craig
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was worth it.
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I would do it all over
again, and I can't
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imagine doing it any other way.
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Craig Williamson is now living
with friends in California,
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hopefully receiving the
medical treatment he needs.
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Christine has moved to
Wyoming to begin life anew.
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In a moment, two doctors,
a desperately ill patient,
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and a journey into the
shadowy world of voodoo.
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[music playing]
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Tonight, four innocent
people are in hiding,
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worried that they may
be the next victim
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of an alleged killer named
Kelly McGinnis, all the result
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of a custody battle that
began in bitterness,
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and apparently, ended in murder.
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It happened just one month ago
yesterday, August 12, 1996.
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Thomas Meyer, the city attorney
of Greenville, Illinois,
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was found shot to death in
the alley behind his office.
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One of the first to
respond to the scene
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was John King, Greenville's
chief of police.
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Thomas Meyer was
his best friend.
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It was one glance and
I knew that it was him,
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and there was no life left.
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ROBERT STACK: 67-year-old
Thomas Meyer had suffered
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multiple gunshot wounds.
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There were no witnesses
to the shooting,
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but fingers were pointing at
Kelly McGinnis from the start.
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McGinnis and Meyer had recently
clashed in this courtroom.
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Meyer had represented
McGinnis's ex-wife
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in a legal action
regarding the custody
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of their two young children.
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LARRY LEFEVRE: Kelly McGinnis
felt that the children
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would be better off with him.
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He desperately wanted to
be the custodial parent.
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But the result was that Mrs.
McGinnis was awarded custody,
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and Mr. McGinnis was
awarded some visitation,
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a fair amount of visitation.
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ROBERT STACK: McGinnis
apparently refused to accept
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the decision as final.
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Just hours before the murder
of Thomas Meyer, McGinnis
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was back in the
courthouse, reportedly
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still angry about
being denied custody.
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No one knows what was
going through his mind,
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but he was next seen
near the alley where
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Thomas Meyer was shot dead.
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We have witnesses that put
Mr. McGinnis at the scene
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just prior to the
shooting, and Mr. McGinnis
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was seen leaving
the area shortly
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after the time of the murder.
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ROBERT STACK: When police
went to McGinnis's home
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to question him, no
one answered the door.
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When they broke it down,
McGinnis had vanished.
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A day went by, a week.
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Some speculated that
McGinnis taken his own life.
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Then 10 days after the murder,
McGinnis mailed five letters
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from central Illinois.
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Two went to area newspapers
and complained about corruption
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in the judicial process.
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He wrote, in part, "clearly the
only winner in a divorce case
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are the lawyers.
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Their gains being made at
the expense of the children."
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The other three letters went
to relatives and a friend.
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In one of them--
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The letter was very
apologetic to his family.
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Although it wasn't an
admission of the offense,
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it alluded to that.
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He appears to be very
sorry for what happened.
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He makes mention of the
fact that he will probably
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never see his children
again, and he's
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very remorseful for that.
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ROBERT STACK: The
killing has shattered
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Greenville's sense of security.
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Murders just don't happen here.
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The last one was 10 years ago.
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Now, some fear the
killing hasn't stopped.
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McGinnis's ex-wife has left
town with her children,
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their whereabouts a secret.
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McGinnis's own attorney is under
the protection of US Marshals.
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Guards have beefed up
security at the courthouse.
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And Ann Callis Rongey, the judge
who ruled on McGinnis's custody
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suit has gone into hiding.
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Judge Rongey is very
concerned for her safety.
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She's expressed that to us.
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Also, I've spoken on a daily
basis with her family members.
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She just wants him caught.
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ROBERT STACK: But no
one wants McGinnis
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caught more than Thomas
Meyers's widow, Barbara.
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I just pray that
he will come forward
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without hurting anyone else.
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The McGinnis family, I'm sure,
is suffering as much as we are.
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His parents, his siblings, his
children, his ex-wife, we need
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some healing for everybody.
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[music playing]
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ROBERT STACK: When we return,
meet Linda Tellington-Jones.
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Can her mysterious healing
touch soothe a savage beast?
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[music playing]
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If you are a person
and you are in pain,
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you can find a specialist
somewhere to treat
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you no matter what the problem.
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But what if you're not a person?
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In the animal kingdom,
Linda Tellington-Jones
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is a one-woman Mayo Clinic.
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She uses her own special healing
techniques she calls a TTouch.
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The results are phenomenal.
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Truly, an unsolved mystery.
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[music playing]
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Keiko the killer whale won
hearts around the world
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when he escaped to the open
sea in the film "Free Willy."
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In real life, Keiko suffers
from a troublesome papilloma,
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a strange wart like growth
beneath his pectoral fins.
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During the 10 years
Keiko has lived
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at Adventure Kingdom
in Mexico City,
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no one has been able to cure it.
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Enter Linda Tellington-Jones.
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00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:27,700
When I was asked to work
with Keiko with the touches,
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I really didn't know if
it would help him or not.
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What I was hoping is that these
little circular touches would
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actually affect the cells and
help to reduce the effects
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of this virus-like papilloma.
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ROBERT STACK: Keiko's
handlers were amazed to see
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results almost immediately.
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The day after
Linda was with Keiko,
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we saw big changes
on the papilloma.
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It was very thin, and it
wasn't broken as it always is.
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So he was active also.
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He was like, kind of very happy.
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Linda Tellington-Jones
claims she has helped thousands
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of animals during the 20 years
since she developed her TTouch.
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However, there are
skeptics who suggest
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that Linda's touch is no
more than a pleasant massage.
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To get a firsthand
look at this mystery,
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we went to Out of Africa,
a wild animal park
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in Phoenix, Arizona.
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Jineane Ford, an
anchorwoman on KPNX
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TV, our NBC
affiliate in Phoenix,
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joins us from the park.
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JINEANE FORD: The Out
of Africa Wildlife Park
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showcases hundreds of different
kinds of exotic animals
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from all over the world.
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And while the handlers
here can take care of most
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of the behavioral issues,
these are wild animals,
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and there are some
problem cases.
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For instance, this 400
pound Siberian tiger
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named Brindle has been known to
unexpectedly charge her fence,
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scaring visitors and creating
problems for her handlers.
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At first, she seemed open
to Linda, but in an instant,
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the encounter turned ugly.
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She's just being nuzzled.
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Oh, no, no, no,
Brindle, Brindle.
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No.
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[inaudible]
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What happened?
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JINEANE FORD: Linda
had even less success
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with Cheddar, a temperamental
African caracal whose
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paws may have nerve damage.
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[music playing]
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[growling]
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JINEANE FORD: Fortunately,
Cheddar, unlike the other cats,
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had been declawed, and
Linda was not hurt.
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Undaunted, she went
on to bigger game.
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Kipling, a 400
pound Bengal tiger,
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has joints that are
inflamed and very painful.
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Perhaps the TTouch can help him.
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But what exactly is the TTouch?
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LINDA TELLINGTON-JONES:
They're a collection
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of circular touches done all
over the body with the idea,
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with the intent, of waking up
the functioning of the cells.
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And to make the connection,
I do the big circles,
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and say, feel, you feel.
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And then when I really
went into the joints,
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it's with very
directed connection
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so that he really
feels the intent
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of waking up those cells.
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It's like turning on the
electric lights of the body.
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So--
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It seemed to calm him
down, and his body relaxed,
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and his breathing came heavier.
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So he was going into a deep,
relaxed state by her touch.
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When she got to a
point where it was
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obvious his joints
hurt him, he reacted,
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but not violently in any way.
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So now, we know where to
touch him, where he really
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needs it, just from her what she
did with that session with him.
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JINEANE FORD: Linda now
faced her biggest challenge,
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Genesis, another Siberian tiger
who doesn't have an off button.
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He is prone to attack almost
anyone, even on occasion,
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handlers he's
known all his life.
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[growling]
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He has attacked me.
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I have a personal
experience with Genesis
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where he actually went through
my arm, and way into my arm.
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00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:20,232
[growling]
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I'm hoping that,
with Linda's touch,
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that we'll be able to work with
him, because he needs touch.
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He very much wants
to be handled,
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and yet, he's so dangerous.
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So I'm hoping that I will be
able to be in there with him
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without getting hurt.
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JINEANE FORD: It was
too risky for Linda
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to go inside the
tiger's enclosure.
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From outside, Linda guided
Bobbi in performing the TTouch
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while another handler,
Shea Erickson,
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00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:49,161
kept Genesis pacified by
letting him lick her fingers.
493
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,630
Now, go back
toward the shoulders.
494
00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:53,766
If there's a way you can keep
him sucking, and you reach
495
00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:57,570
back, and if you can get
to the neck and shoulders,
496
00:23:57,670 --> 00:24:00,707
and at least give him a little
bit of relief on his shoulders.
497
00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:03,510
Because of course, when
he's protecting his--
498
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:04,711
when he's putting
so much pressure--
499
00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:06,112
JINEANE FORD: In
the first session,
500
00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:10,049
Genesis remained wary and alert,
but relaxed enough to stretch
501
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:11,283
out on his side.
502
00:24:11,383 --> 00:24:12,885
The primary contact
with the hand,
503
00:24:12,985 --> 00:24:14,987
where he feels safe up on the
shoulder, and the other one
504
00:24:15,087 --> 00:24:17,056
just kind of moves back.
505
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:19,559
And up there, along
the top of the scapula,
506
00:24:19,659 --> 00:24:21,828
where your right hand is, that's
where it kind of gets sore.
507
00:24:21,928 --> 00:24:26,332
What we find is that the touches
override fear or aggression.
508
00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:27,700
It helps his body more.
509
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,302
Those are instinctive responses.
510
00:24:30,402 --> 00:24:33,239
And when we do these
little circular touches
511
00:24:33,339 --> 00:24:37,644
all over the body, you can take
an animal who's very fearful,
512
00:24:37,744 --> 00:24:40,246
or an animal who is
aggressive, and suddenly, you
513
00:24:40,346 --> 00:24:43,950
change them at a core level,
at the level of the brain.
514
00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:45,317
Then do what you just did--
515
00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:47,987
JINEANE FORD: A few hours later,
they tried a second session.
516
00:24:48,087 --> 00:24:50,657
Shea, again, gentled the
tiger by letting him lick
517
00:24:50,757 --> 00:24:52,892
her fingers, while
Bobbi continued
518
00:24:52,992 --> 00:24:54,861
to apply the Tellington touch.
519
00:24:54,961 --> 00:24:58,030
--circles in a different spot.
520
00:24:58,130 --> 00:25:00,132
Work with your left hand
around the shoulders,
521
00:25:00,232 --> 00:25:05,872
just like you are, and
slowly, go back down his back.
522
00:25:05,972 --> 00:25:07,206
JINEANE FORD: A
few minutes later,
523
00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:09,108
Shea took away the pacifier.
524
00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:10,910
That's it.
525
00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:11,911
That's it.
526
00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:12,845
SHEA ERICKSON: And
I got very nervous
527
00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:14,080
because I knew,
at that moment, he
528
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:16,916
didn't have the same
distraction that he had before.
529
00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:18,517
And so there was a
moment of hesitation.
530
00:25:18,618 --> 00:25:20,519
I put my hand by
his mouth, wondering
531
00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:21,420
what was going to go on.
532
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,089
But his response was wonderful.
533
00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:23,990
He knew I was there.
534
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:25,057
It was OK.
535
00:25:25,157 --> 00:25:28,127
And he was enjoying
being touched.
536
00:25:28,227 --> 00:25:30,630
As a skeptic, you
know, I don't understand
537
00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:32,765
part of her
philosophy of relaxing
538
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,366
and getting to cellular levels.
539
00:25:34,466 --> 00:25:36,502
I mean, that doesn't
make any sense to me
540
00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:37,403
from a medical standpoint.
541
00:25:37,503 --> 00:25:38,671
But--
542
00:25:38,771 --> 00:25:41,240
JINEANE FORD: Dr. Irvin
Ingram, a Phoenix veterinarian,
543
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,776
has treated Genesis
several times.
544
00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:47,413
He approached the TTouch
sessions with reservations.
545
00:25:47,513 --> 00:25:49,982
By the end of the
day, Dr. Ingram saw
546
00:25:50,082 --> 00:25:53,052
a distinct change in the tiger.
547
00:25:53,152 --> 00:25:54,887
Something certainly
made a difference, yeah.
548
00:25:54,987 --> 00:25:56,923
And she is the
primary difference,
549
00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,425
I guess, today, but there is
no question from this morning
550
00:25:59,525 --> 00:26:01,360
to this afternoon, much calmer.
551
00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,796
Seems almost aware of what's
around him instead of being
552
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:05,497
in his own little world.
553
00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,734
But you're still
skeptical over the whole?
554
00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:12,238
I don't understand, and
certainly, I need more than one
555
00:26:12,338 --> 00:26:15,007
episode to be convinced.
556
00:26:15,107 --> 00:26:20,112
But it's a miraculous change
on this individual case, yeah.
557
00:26:20,212 --> 00:26:21,914
I couldn't ask
for better results
558
00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:23,449
than what we got from Genesis.
559
00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:25,117
It was wonderful,
absolutely wonderful,
560
00:26:25,217 --> 00:26:27,286
to be able to be
in there with him
561
00:26:27,386 --> 00:26:31,090
and not experience
that fear I had before,
562
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:33,626
with that touch being the
go between, if you will.
563
00:26:33,726 --> 00:26:36,128
Oh, yeah.
564
00:26:36,228 --> 00:26:38,064
How does the touch work?
565
00:26:38,164 --> 00:26:40,166
Ha, ha, I wish I knew.
566
00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:41,267
I don't know how the--
567
00:26:41,367 --> 00:26:42,669
I don't know why it works.
568
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:44,303
I don't really
know how it works.
569
00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:48,274
We only know from
experience in six continents
570
00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:50,977
with incredible numbers
of animals and people
571
00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:52,178
that it does work.
572
00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,114
But it's a mystery.
573
00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:56,949
According to Linda
Tellington-Jones,
574
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:59,218
anyone can learn the TTouch.
575
00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:01,754
Perhaps in the future,
a visit to the doctor
576
00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:04,857
won't mean a shot,
but a gentle touch.
577
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:07,226
And how are Linda's
tiger patients doing?
578
00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:11,163
Much better, particularly
Genesis, who is now literally
579
00:27:11,263 --> 00:27:12,398
acting like a pussycat.
580
00:27:15,902 --> 00:27:19,706
When we return, two doctors,
a desperately ill patient,
581
00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:22,474
and a journey into the
shadowy world of voodoo.
582
00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:26,478
[music playing]
583
00:27:32,551 --> 00:27:36,422
[non-english singing]
584
00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:44,964
ROBERT STACK: Voodoo-- for
most of us, the word brings
585
00:27:45,064 --> 00:27:49,068
to mind images of death hexes
and evil curses, blood, pain,
586
00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:50,302
agony.
587
00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:52,638
But believers say
that is black magic.
588
00:27:52,739 --> 00:27:54,907
Voodoo is something
altogether different.
589
00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:58,978
[non-english singing]
590
00:27:59,078 --> 00:28:01,280
ROBERT STACK: Ava Kay Jones
is a priestess of voodoo
591
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:03,382
in New Orleans, Louisiana.
592
00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:07,987
She insists that voodoo is
a force for good, not evil.
593
00:28:08,087 --> 00:28:10,622
It is, in fact, an ancient,
nature-based religion
594
00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,658
that traces its
origins back thousands
595
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:13,592
of years to West Africa.
596
00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:16,595
[non-english singing]
597
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,799
A lot of people
come to me who somehow
598
00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:23,602
seem to be fixed in
negative emotions,
599
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,938
negative ways of thinking.
600
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:30,176
Some of them are,
in fact, hexed.
601
00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:33,145
ROBERT STACK: But are hexes
and incantations real?
602
00:28:33,245 --> 00:28:36,115
Can voodoo affect someone
on a physical level?
603
00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:40,452
Or is it all in the minds
of those who believe?
604
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:44,456
AVA KAY JONES: There is truly
a psychological component
605
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:49,996
to voodoo, and by that I mean,
certainly, if you want to be
606
00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:53,966
healed, and if you believe
that you will be healed,
607
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:58,437
your state of mind has a
direct effect on your healing.
608
00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:04,476
Faith works miracles.
609
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:07,213
That idea is common
to all religions.
610
00:29:07,313 --> 00:29:10,416
And now, science is beginning to
accept that the power of belief
611
00:29:10,516 --> 00:29:14,286
can indeed cure, whether it's
the healing waters at Lourdes
612
00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:17,189
or the arcane rituals of voodoo.
613
00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:18,958
In the story you
are about to see,
614
00:29:19,058 --> 00:29:22,194
two doctors create their
own voodoo ceremony.
615
00:29:22,294 --> 00:29:26,032
It's a daring last ditch
attempt to save a dying man.
616
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:29,035
It may defy all you know
about medical treatment,
617
00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:32,704
but those involved swear
every detail is true.
618
00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:34,340
Mr. Bennett--
619
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,944
ROBERT STACK: In 1967, Dr.
Larry Dossey was a young intern
620
00:29:38,044 --> 00:29:39,411
at a hospital in Texas.
621
00:29:39,511 --> 00:29:40,813
You're losing weight, right?
622
00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:42,181
How much weight are you losing?
623
00:29:42,281 --> 00:29:44,150
ROBERT STACK: One afternoon,
he was assigned a new patient,
624
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:45,417
a man we will call Harold.
625
00:29:45,517 --> 00:29:46,552
About 35 pounds.
626
00:29:46,652 --> 00:29:47,786
ROBERT STACK: Harold was
as weak and emaciated--
627
00:29:47,887 --> 00:29:48,787
OK, what about pain?
Have you experienced--
628
00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:49,488
ROBERT STACK: --as
a prisoner of war.
629
00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,357
--any pain anywhere?
630
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,460
Not really,
sometimes when I cough.
631
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,727
OK.
632
00:29:55,828 --> 00:29:56,963
We're going to run some tests.
633
00:29:57,063 --> 00:29:58,697
We're going to do some
blood tests and some x-rays,
634
00:29:58,797 --> 00:29:59,932
that sort of thing.
635
00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:01,834
We're going to find out
what your problem is, OK?
636
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:02,969
Thank you, Doctor.
637
00:30:03,069 --> 00:30:06,505
I embarked on an
elaborate evaluation,
638
00:30:06,605 --> 00:30:10,109
a medical work up, to uncover
the cause of the problem.
639
00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,979
And this man's chart
just began to get thicker
640
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,547
and thicker with normal tests.
641
00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:18,350
Mr. Bennett, I
don't understand it.
642
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:19,585
I've run every test I know how.
643
00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:21,387
I performed every
exam I know how.
644
00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:23,355
And they all come up normal.
645
00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:25,124
How do you feel?
646
00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:26,225
Not good at all, Doc.
647
00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:28,594
No, you don't look good.
648
00:30:28,694 --> 00:30:30,162
I just don't know what to do.
649
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:31,563
ROBERT STACK: A
baffled Dr. Dossey
650
00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:34,000
called in another intern,
Dr. William Hensley,
651
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:35,067
for a second opinion.
652
00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:36,068
--Dr. Dossey.
653
00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:37,803
We've been really
worried about you.
654
00:30:37,904 --> 00:30:40,606
And I wanted to come see you to
find out possibly of anything
655
00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:43,209
that you know of unusual
that has happened to you,
656
00:30:43,309 --> 00:30:46,412
such as an insect bite
or anything of that sort.
657
00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:52,584
Doctor, do you
believe in hoodoo?
658
00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,354
ROBERT STACK: Dr. Hensley
was stunned by the question.
659
00:30:55,454 --> 00:30:57,856
It took him back some 20
years to his grandmother's
660
00:30:57,957 --> 00:31:00,960
sprawling south Texas ranch.
661
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,695
A woman named Mary, reputed
to be a voodoo queen,
662
00:31:03,795 --> 00:31:06,198
lived out back.
663
00:31:06,298 --> 00:31:09,168
As a small child, Dr. Hensley
witnessed Mary's power
664
00:31:09,268 --> 00:31:11,603
firsthand when a young
woman was assaulted
665
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:12,738
by one of the ranch workers.
666
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:18,610
When the constable
came to arrest him,
667
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:20,846
my grandmother refused
to let that happen,
668
00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:23,549
and had him sent back to
the back of the place.
669
00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:28,020
And Mary, who was the
head person in the back,
670
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,689
said that she had put
a death hex on him.
671
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:32,024
And sure enough,
that night there
672
00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:33,659
was all kinds of
clattering going on,
673
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:35,861
and a fire at the
back of the place.
674
00:31:35,962 --> 00:31:39,065
And this went on every
night for several nights.
675
00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:43,569
And then one day, Mary came
to the back door and said,
676
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:45,437
Juan's dead.
677
00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:46,705
And they came and picked him up.
678
00:31:46,805 --> 00:31:48,407
And my uncle, who
was a physician,
679
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:51,910
said there wasn't a mark on him.
680
00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:54,613
Awhile back, I
went to see a reader.
681
00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:56,115
I was having some problems.
682
00:31:56,215 --> 00:31:58,084
ROBERT STACK: Harold
confided to Dr. Hensley
683
00:31:58,184 --> 00:32:00,152
that he had refused to
pay a fortune teller
684
00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:01,287
who had given him a reading.
685
00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:02,654
And two weeks after
that, [inaudible]
686
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:05,457
ROBERT STACK: She apparently
cursed Harold with a death hex.
687
00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:08,727
I started feeling
bad, feeling real bad.
688
00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:10,129
You really believe this?
689
00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:13,499
I believe she put a
dying hex on me, Doctor.
690
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,801
There really was a possibility
that someone with that
691
00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:18,170
a strong belief
system could actually
692
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:20,472
be frightened to death.
693
00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:22,208
Larry, I just met with Harold.
694
00:32:22,308 --> 00:32:23,542
Yeah?
695
00:32:23,642 --> 00:32:25,211
You're not going to
believe what he told me.
696
00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:26,112
What?
697
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:29,548
Let's go talk over here.
698
00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:30,983
LARRY DOSSEY: You know,
I considered myself
699
00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:32,818
a fairly thorough
physician, but yet I
700
00:32:32,918 --> 00:32:36,755
was blind to the possibility
that anything like a hexing
701
00:32:36,855 --> 00:32:38,724
or cursing had taken place.
702
00:32:38,824 --> 00:32:41,060
So this just didn't
have a place in the way
703
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,228
I thought the world worked.
704
00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:43,862
I was thinking about
actually doing a dehexing.
705
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:45,964
ROBERT STACK: But Dr. Hensley's
world view was different--
706
00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:47,199
He's came to think
he's been hexed.
707
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:49,135
ROBERT STACK: --in fact,
radically different.
708
00:32:49,235 --> 00:32:50,536
What kind of procedure?
709
00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:54,640
We could take a fingernail of
his or some hair, and burn it.
710
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:55,607
Um, I don't know.
711
00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:56,975
That sounds pretty far out.
712
00:32:57,076 --> 00:32:58,310
Well, the thing
is, if we let him--
713
00:32:58,410 --> 00:32:59,845
ROBERT STACK: Dr. Hensley we
felt there was only one way
714
00:32:59,945 --> 00:33:01,447
to cure Harold.
- --better medicine.
715
00:33:01,547 --> 00:33:03,415
ROBERT STACK: He wanted to
use the voodoo techniques
716
00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:08,487
he had learned as a child to
drive out the evil spirits.
717
00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:11,490
I was confronted
with something, for me,
718
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:13,525
that was very, very strange.
719
00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:17,363
I realized though that
we'd better do something,
720
00:33:17,463 --> 00:33:18,630
because this man was dying.
721
00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:25,804
We were fearful, and we
were convinced at the time
722
00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:30,776
that we could be severely
reprimanded, if not fired.
723
00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:34,946
Therefore, we did this at the
slow time of the week, which
724
00:33:35,047 --> 00:33:39,051
was late Saturday
night, so no one would
725
00:33:39,151 --> 00:33:42,921
witness this ceremony,
this dehexing ritual.
726
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,524
I knew that there
had to be a fire.
727
00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:48,827
I knew that we had
to have a body part.
728
00:33:48,927 --> 00:33:50,529
And I knew that we
had to convince him
729
00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:55,767
that we were superior,
and could overcome the hex
730
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,537
that had been put on him.
731
00:33:58,637 --> 00:34:00,406
ROBERT STACK: Whether
by accident or fate,
732
00:34:00,506 --> 00:34:03,775
it was a full moon night.
733
00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,878
The doctors needed fire.
734
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:09,215
They lit a drug
called Mandelamine.
735
00:34:09,315 --> 00:34:12,484
It burned with an eerie flame.
736
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:14,453
This magic is more
powerful than any
737
00:34:14,553 --> 00:34:15,987
that has come before it.
738
00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:17,423
ROBERT STACK: They
needed a lock of hair.
739
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,894
And finally, the incantation--
740
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,164
As your hair burns,
the hex is removed.
741
00:34:30,436 --> 00:34:33,439
Harold, if you breathe
word of this to anyone,
742
00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,607
the hex will return two-fold.
743
00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:39,545
[music playing]
744
00:34:47,052 --> 00:34:48,720
Hello, how are you doing?
745
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:49,621
Good morning.
746
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:50,622
I have something for you.
747
00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:51,523
Oh.
748
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:52,491
Oh, and let me get this.
749
00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:53,892
That's OK.
750
00:34:53,992 --> 00:34:55,894
ROBERT STACK: The next morning,
to everyone's amazement, Harold
751
00:34:55,994 --> 00:34:57,496
was alert and full of life.
752
00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,198
Could I have some
ham and eggs too?
753
00:34:59,298 --> 00:35:01,066
- Sure, that's what you want?
- Yes.
754
00:35:01,167 --> 00:35:02,000
OK, I'll go get it.
755
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:02,901
Thank you.
756
00:35:06,372 --> 00:35:07,673
Harold.
757
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:09,074
Hi, Doctor.
758
00:35:09,175 --> 00:35:11,109
Hi, how are you feeling today?
759
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:12,278
Much, much, much better.
760
00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:13,845
It looks like you're
appetites back, huh?
761
00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,481
LARRY DOSSEY: It was genuine.
762
00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:19,385
There was a cure overnight,
literally, overnight.
763
00:35:19,485 --> 00:35:23,189
This man turned the corner
from death into life.
764
00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:27,226
This was your basic dramatic
miracle kind of cure.
765
00:35:27,326 --> 00:35:30,596
I don't believe that
anything medically cured him.
766
00:35:30,696 --> 00:35:32,598
And I don't know what did.
767
00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:39,137
I know that he believed
so strongly in both what
768
00:35:39,238 --> 00:35:41,607
was happening to him
and what we were doing
769
00:35:41,707 --> 00:35:43,542
to change what was
happening to him
770
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:48,113
that we were able to prevail.
771
00:35:48,214 --> 00:35:51,082
There are a lot of people
who are lay people who
772
00:35:51,183 --> 00:35:56,054
are excellent mediums
who are not necessarily
773
00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,824
in the priesthood
who know how to deal
774
00:35:58,924 --> 00:36:01,427
with spirit forces and forms.
775
00:36:01,527 --> 00:36:04,696
And Dr. Hensley did
have a background in--
776
00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:10,101
because of his childhood,
in dealing with magic.
777
00:36:10,202 --> 00:36:12,404
This magic is more powerful
than any that came before it.
778
00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:15,507
ROBERT STACK: Does voodoo truly
work, or was Harold's illness
779
00:36:15,607 --> 00:36:17,776
and his swift recovery
brought on entirely
780
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:19,245
by his own imagination?
781
00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:22,047
The hex is removed.
782
00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:24,283
In order to understand
why this man lived,
783
00:36:24,383 --> 00:36:27,786
we have to understand
that belief is biology.
784
00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:29,988
Your belief becomes
your biology.
785
00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:32,190
There's not the mind here,
and the body over here,
786
00:36:32,291 --> 00:36:34,526
they are not separate.
787
00:36:34,626 --> 00:36:35,961
So if you wanted
to cure this man,
788
00:36:36,061 --> 00:36:38,163
you need not just
work on the body.
789
00:36:38,264 --> 00:36:40,299
You could work with
the belief system.
790
00:36:40,399 --> 00:36:42,701
This is what all shamans do.
791
00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:44,202
This is what Dr. Hensley did.
792
00:36:44,303 --> 00:36:48,206
[non-english singing]
793
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:54,246
No matter what you may
believe about voodoo,
794
00:36:54,346 --> 00:36:56,415
there is no doubt that the
mind can be one of medicine's
795
00:36:56,515 --> 00:36:58,717
most powerful tools.
796
00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:01,620
Though Harold's doctors never
again prescribed voodoo,
797
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,755
they have always remained
open to alternative forms
798
00:37:03,855 --> 00:37:04,656
of healing.
799
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:09,428
Stay tuned.
800
00:37:09,528 --> 00:37:11,763
Perhaps you can help
locate a young man
801
00:37:11,863 --> 00:37:14,966
who has no idea that he has
inherited more than $50,000.
802
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:18,537
[music playing]
803
00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:31,082
Over the years, we have found
that every missing person's
804
00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:33,285
case has its own unique twist.
805
00:37:33,385 --> 00:37:36,288
Tonight, with your help, we
hope to reunite a family.
806
00:37:36,388 --> 00:37:38,290
And in the process,
find the long lost heir
807
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:43,762
to a $50,000 estate.
808
00:37:43,862 --> 00:37:47,333
Like any teenager, 19-year-old
Tim Molnar of Daytona
809
00:37:47,433 --> 00:37:49,701
Beach, Florida, had his moods.
810
00:37:49,801 --> 00:37:52,237
But by all accounts, they
gave no hint of what would
811
00:37:52,338 --> 00:37:58,377
happen on January 24, 1984.
812
00:37:58,477 --> 00:38:00,912
Tim, a student in
aeronautical mechanics,
813
00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:04,215
simply drove away from home
and out of his family's life.
814
00:38:08,186 --> 00:38:14,360
Tim was a rather quiet,
sensitive type of a person,
815
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:17,696
but he was always very
polite and well-mannered.
816
00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:19,831
And he was doing well in school.
817
00:38:19,931 --> 00:38:22,568
He was on the dean's
list, in fact,
818
00:38:22,668 --> 00:38:26,338
and he was a very
likeable person.
819
00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:27,305
I'm really getting worried.
820
00:38:27,406 --> 00:38:29,408
He's always so prompt.
821
00:38:29,508 --> 00:38:30,909
Well, why don't you
give Billy a call?
822
00:38:31,009 --> 00:38:32,644
ROBERT STACK: Tim's
parents grew increasingly
823
00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:36,415
frightened as the hours passed
and Tim failed to come home.
824
00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:38,950
Frank, did he act kind of
strangely when you dropped--
825
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,051
dropped you off at school?
826
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,219
Or did he say anything?
827
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:42,588
ROBERT STACK: His
14-year-old brother, Frank,
828
00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:44,990
had been the last family
member to see him.
829
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:46,425
He said to have a nice day.
830
00:38:46,525 --> 00:38:48,360
OK.
831
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,496
FRANK MOLNAR: There's a pretty
good age difference between us.
832
00:38:50,596 --> 00:38:53,399
But we still hung out a lot,
because we got along real good
833
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:55,000
and pretty open relationship.
834
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,503
And I could just
tell something was--
835
00:38:57,603 --> 00:38:59,004
something was bothering him.
836
00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:00,706
While he wasn't really
saying, it seemed like there
837
00:39:00,806 --> 00:39:02,073
was a lot going on in his mind.
838
00:39:05,777 --> 00:39:06,978
ROBERT STACK: Two weeks passed.
- Sir, sir?
839
00:39:07,078 --> 00:39:08,313
ROBERT STACK: No word from Tim.
840
00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:09,681
Hi.
841
00:39:09,781 --> 00:39:11,517
ROBERT STACK: The Molnar's first
clue came from a gas station
842
00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:14,953
in Lake City, Florida,
150 miles north.
843
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,321
On the day he disappeared--
- my son, Tim, was here.
844
00:39:16,422 --> 00:39:17,322
And he's been missing--
845
00:39:17,423 --> 00:39:18,657
ROBERT STACK: Tim
had stopped there
846
00:39:18,757 --> 00:39:21,059
and paid for a tank of gas
with his parents' credit card.
847
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,063
Do you remember
seeing him possibly?
848
00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:26,164
ATTENDANT: Oh, yeah, yeah.
849
00:39:26,264 --> 00:39:28,133
I remember the car.
TIM'S MOTHER: You do?
850
00:39:28,233 --> 00:39:29,768
ATTENDANT: Yeah, Dodge Dart.
851
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:30,936
Was he alone?
852
00:39:31,036 --> 00:39:32,237
ROBERT STACK: The
attendant recalled that Tim
853
00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,672
had been traveling alone.
- As I can remember, he was.
854
00:39:33,772 --> 00:39:34,806
ROBERT STACK: But
traveling where?
855
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,608
And did you notice
anything wrong?
856
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:38,143
ROBERT STACK: Tim's
family could only guess.
857
00:39:38,243 --> 00:39:39,478
Yeah, he wasn't
very pretty talkative.
858
00:39:39,578 --> 00:39:41,112
ROBERT STACK: They received
a letter from an auto
859
00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:42,514
impound company in Georgia.
860
00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:45,216
That is Tim's car.
861
00:39:45,316 --> 00:39:47,553
ROBERT STACK: The Molnar's
learned that six days after Tim
862
00:39:47,653 --> 00:39:49,488
vanished, his car
had been abandoned
863
00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:51,823
in a parking lot one
block from Atlanta's
864
00:39:51,923 --> 00:39:53,158
Greyhound bus terminal.
865
00:39:56,562 --> 00:39:58,129
When we went to
inspect the car,
866
00:39:58,229 --> 00:40:02,133
we did find his driver's
license, and wallet,
867
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,536
and some identification,
and our credit
868
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:10,709
card, which indicated to me
that he changed his identity.
869
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:13,479
And in other words, he wanted to
start a new life from there on.
870
00:40:17,483 --> 00:40:18,884
ROBERT STACK: One
fact was undeniable.
871
00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:19,785
It's empty.
872
00:40:19,885 --> 00:40:21,086
He had a red bicycle.
873
00:40:21,186 --> 00:40:22,621
ROBERT STACK: Someone had
carefully removed everything
874
00:40:22,721 --> 00:40:23,855
of value from the car.
875
00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:26,925
A new stereo, Tim's
expensive tool
876
00:40:27,025 --> 00:40:30,095
set, and a 10-speed bike
he had packed in the trunk
877
00:40:30,195 --> 00:40:31,663
were all missing.
878
00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:33,999
The best thing we can
do now is continue to--
879
00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:35,333
ROBERT STACK: Had
Tim Molnar sold
880
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,970
his possessions to buy a one-way
bus ticket to a new life?
881
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:42,741
Or was the explanation
perhaps more sinister?
882
00:40:42,841 --> 00:40:44,943
I worried mostly
about foul play
883
00:40:45,043 --> 00:40:48,279
and was afraid that something
happened to him, because we
884
00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:51,583
have no proof that he drove
his car from Lake City, Florida
885
00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:52,484
to Atlanta.
886
00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:57,388
ROBERT STACK: Tim Molnar
left behind a tangle
887
00:40:57,489 --> 00:40:59,491
of conflicting clues.
888
00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:02,093
On one hand, he didn't
take any clothes with him.
889
00:41:02,193 --> 00:41:06,431
Perhaps he had never really
intended to stay away.
890
00:41:06,532 --> 00:41:08,433
And yet, just
before leaving, Tim
891
00:41:08,534 --> 00:41:11,837
had withdrawn nearly all the
money from his savings account.
892
00:41:11,937 --> 00:41:15,607
He did, however, leave a balance
of $10, as though to say he
893
00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:18,710
might someday return.
894
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:21,647
I mean, no matter where
he is or what he's up to,
895
00:41:21,747 --> 00:41:22,748
it'd be great to see him.
896
00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:24,716
And just, you know,
tell him we miss him,
897
00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:29,320
and kind of curious why
he left, what have you.
898
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,624
I'm sure-- I don't know
what the circumstances were.
899
00:41:32,724 --> 00:41:35,493
But it'd be great to see him.
900
00:41:35,594 --> 00:41:39,464
[music playing]
901
00:42:04,489 --> 00:42:06,391
Join me two weeks
from tonight for
902
00:42:06,491 --> 00:42:11,897
another fascinating addition
of "Unsolved Mysteries."
903
00:42:11,997 --> 00:42:14,265
[theme music]
904
00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:51,670
[theme music]
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