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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,880 I'm trying to look like a professional here. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,480 -Got it. Nice and neat. Clean. -Yes, thank you. 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,280 What do you do for work? 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,240 Well, I am… 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,120 Well, before… 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,160 How can I say this? 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,120 I used to work in finance. 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,800 I acquired companies from the stock market. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,880 Hmm. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,960 But over the last 30 years, I've been, uh… 13 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:44,920 I've been on the run. 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,480 -In hiding. -In hiding? 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Yes, Interpol and everything. 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,880 He's been in hiding for 30 years, 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,520 the man alleged to be behind one of Sweden's largest financial crimes, 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,360 in what came to be known 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,280 as the Trustor affair. 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,360 The man behind the suspected fraud 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,720 is a 33-year-old from Stockholm. 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,280 The main perpetrator in the Trustor affair is Joachim Posener. 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Joachim Posener, 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,600 the man suspected of being the brains behind the operation. 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,560 Joachim Posener is wanted by Interpol. 26 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,480 Rumour has it that he got away with 100 million, 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,840 had plastic surgery 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,640 and has been living in hiding in all corners of the world. 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,840 THAT'S WHERE THE FRAUD'S HIDING 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,400 Police have a new lead regarding his whereabouts. 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,240 There was talk about Moscow, Tel Aviv, 32 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,240 Rio de Janeiro, Barbados, Iraq, 33 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:47,200 and a myriad of other countries. 34 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,800 EXPRESSEN FOUND SUSPECT'S HOME IN ISRAEL 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,920 A reward was offered for information 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,160 that could lead to an arrest. 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,560 The police received tips of all kinds. 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,680 THE WANTED JOACHIM POSENER 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Some said that he had a ponytail, 40 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,400 very large feet, 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,920 spoke with a Scanian accent, 42 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 drank Pepsi, 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,600 and that he was hiding in the Big Brother house. 44 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:12,160 But Joachim Posener was never found. 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,000 The story goes that in 1997, 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,240 he and four other people managed to buy the investment company Trustor, 47 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:26,440 using Trustor's own money. 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,760 This is unprecedented in the history of the Swedish stock exchange. 49 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,000 Somehow, hundreds of millions of Trustor's funds 50 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 have been traced to bank accounts all across the world. 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,480 One of the biggest financial frauds in Swedish history. 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,760 But how did the whole affair come to be? 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Who did what, 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,720 and how did life turn out for those who were involved? 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,320 INSIDE THE TRUSTOR SCANDAL 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,960 A FILM BY KARIN AF KLINTBERG 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Now listen up Here's the story 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,640 About a little guy that lives in a blue world… 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,160 I had no idea what a damn mess this company takeover would be 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,880 when I first got involved. 61 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:15,960 Inside and outside… 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,640 This "damn mess" has been under investigation for years. 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,920 Yet what actually happened still remains unclear, 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,720 with everyone involved having their own side of the story. 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,680 To bring some clarity, 66 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,040 I reached out to those who were involved in one way or another. 67 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,640 One of them is the consultant Thomas Jisander, 68 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,160 the guy parking his Ferrari. 69 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,520 You might think I should've known from the start 70 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,960 what was actually going to happen with this affair. 71 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,000 CONSULTANT, TRUSTOR 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,200 But I didn't. 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,880 I also met the vice president, 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,120 who is still affected to this day. 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Something broke in my brain. I've barely slept since 1997. 76 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,440 DEPUTY CEO, TRUSTOR, 1997 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,960 As well as the investigative reporter. 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,480 I felt in my gut that something wasn't right. 79 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,520 And the police officer that hunted down Joachim Posener. 80 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,160 It haunts me that we didn't catch the main suspect 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,080 behind the Trustor affair. 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,160 Shit. 83 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,200 And lastly, the seasoned financier 84 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:26,520 who tried to clean up the mess. 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,720 It's one thing to be tough in business, 86 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,840 but when it comes to criminals, I have no qualms. 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,800 And then there's Joachim Posener, 88 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,920 who neither the police nor Interpol managed to find in those 30 years. 89 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,360 His side of the story has never been told, 90 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 whether it was worth the price of leaving his family and children behind 91 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:50,360 to live in hiding. 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,960 After an extensive search, 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,320 I managed to obtain the email address 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,520 of the missing Joachim Posener. 95 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,560 SORRY TO NAG… 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,960 THIRD TIME LUCKY… 97 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,880 And when I expressed that I was only looking for the truth… 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,800 DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHO'S TELLING THE TRUTH 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,280 …he finally replied. 100 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,200 INBOX 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,120 I got your email and read it. 102 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,280 And… okay. 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,800 I'll agree to schedule a meeting with you 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,760 somewhere in Europe. 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,720 What are the terms? 106 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,480 I still want the option to back out. 107 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,640 How will I know it's you when I see you? 108 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,040 You'll recognise this voice. 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,280 And even though it's been 30 years, 110 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,440 I don't look that different. 111 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 BRUSSELS 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,720 The first meeting was in a public place, 113 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,240 where Joachim Posener could watch us from a distance. 114 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,720 The agreement was that we were only allowed to film him from behind. 115 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,600 No one knows what he looks like these days. 116 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,920 Hello, I'm Joachim. 117 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,840 There are very few official photos of Joachim Posener. 118 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,200 Which makes sense for someone who doesn't want to be found. 119 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,040 While on the run, he has given a single TV interview. 120 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,760 But since he was actively wanted by police at the time, 121 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:54,520 he didn't want to show his face. 122 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,600 And he lied his way through the entire interview. 123 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,320 People claim you're the mastermind behind the Trustor affair. Were you? 124 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,040 No, absolutely not. 125 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,680 I had nothing to do with any of this. 126 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,360 I entered the picture in August. 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,160 Before that, I… 128 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,640 You've never really explained what happened. 129 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Why have you decided to come forward now? 130 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,840 We're past the statute of limitations. 131 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,520 There's no reason to stay silent any more. 132 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Will you tell the truth in our interview? Will you tell the truth? 133 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,120 I definitely won't lie. 134 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,600 -About anything? -No. 135 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,880 But you'll have to ask the right questions. 136 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,800 The people involved 137 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,200 had their own reasons for being part of the deal. 138 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,960 To me, it was about making money, 139 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,120 and feeling like I was a success. 140 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Money gives you a kind of freedom, 141 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,240 and it's a confirmation of whether you're successful or not. 142 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Ever since I was a kid, 143 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,280 I've been fascinated by big yachts and nice cars. 144 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,120 Excuse me! 145 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Eighty? Eight-zero, right? 146 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,400 What is the model? 147 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,440 I dreamt of becoming very rich, 148 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,600 to charter a yacht after a successful deal, 149 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,960 sit on top of an Acta deck with a drink in hand 150 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,400 and feel like I did a really good job. 151 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,120 I wanted to make money, 152 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,880 and feel like I deserved that childhood dream. 153 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,960 My dream was to get into the finance world. 154 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,960 I was obsessed with it. 155 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,640 I used to sell business systems. 156 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Wherever I worked, I was usually the best salesman. 157 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,600 But what I really wanted was to be the boss. 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,800 Which was a crazy goal, 159 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,000 because it turns out that I'm not a very good boss. 160 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,960 Back in the day, when you had a yacht, 161 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,920 it had to be at least 100 to 115 feet. 162 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,360 That was the limit for it to be considered as a yacht. 163 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,560 How long is this one? 164 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,600 Twenty-seven? 165 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,600 These days, standards are a bit higher. 166 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:17,600 Now, I wouldn't call it a yacht if it's not at least 165 feet. 167 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:19,920 Otherwise, you definitely can't call it a yacht. 168 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,640 No one remembers a coward. 169 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,800 Joachim Posener had other motives for the deal. 170 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,160 After our first meeting with Joachim Posener, 171 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,840 we were allowed to continue meeting in various locations across Europe. 172 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,280 So. 173 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,800 You managed to get me here. 174 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,840 I was not allowed to film his face. At least not at first. 175 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,560 He has one rule, 176 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,680 no questions about his family. 177 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,520 It's a rule I'll come to bend eventually. 178 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,920 I still control every little detail of my life. 179 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,160 It becomes a… habit 180 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,760 when you live life on the run. 181 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,400 If you want to avoid being found, you've got to be bland, 182 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,320 uninteresting and invisible. 183 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,440 You've got to disappear and blend into the crowd. 184 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,600 You can't attract anyone's attention. 185 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,440 While on the run from the police, I lived a bit like a secret agent. 186 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,800 I sacrificed my family and my life for freedom. 187 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,640 Not for the money. 188 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,440 Have you visited Sweden in the last 30 years? 189 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Not even once. 190 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Why didn't you return home? 191 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,560 I couldn't bring myself to serve a maximum sentence in prison again. 192 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,000 I barely got through the last sentence I served. 193 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,960 "The last sentence" refers to the prison sentence 194 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,720 that Joachim Posener served before the Trustor affair. 195 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,600 In the late 1980s, at the height of the financial boom, 196 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:34,200 22-year-old Posener had already begun trading stocks and options, 197 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,560 and selling creative tax solutions. 198 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,600 At first, things went well. 199 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,560 Business was booming and he was making millions. 200 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,000 I wanted respect in the financial world, 201 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,520 even though I didn't belong. 202 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,600 I was young and wanted to be part of the financial elite. 203 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,040 I wanted everything fast. 204 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,640 I took shortcuts. I didn't have time for the scenic route. 205 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,920 I hadn't even finished law school. 206 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,040 My greatest fear was to live this life unnoticed. 207 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,160 And not… leave my mark on the world. 208 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,800 It led to me working extremely hard, 209 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,440 pushing for bigger and better things, 210 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,800 so I could leave a trace of my existence in this world. 211 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Joachim Posener founded investment company Thul with a colleague. 212 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,680 It had offices on fancy streets in Stockholm and Copenhagen. 213 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,200 The only problem was that they didn't have any money to do business with. 214 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,160 In 1991, during the financial crisis, 215 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,280 loans were impossible to get. 216 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,400 But I was able to find a way to use rigged options. 217 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,360 It doesn't have to exist. It just needs to look like it does. 218 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,440 I had invented a way 219 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,560 to create as many assets as I wanted, on paper. 220 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,360 That led us to acquiring four publicly listed companies in Denmark. 221 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,800 But that also meant 222 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,280 that we had acquired them under not-so-legal circumstances. 223 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,040 I had bought a house 224 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:34,920 and had just had a daughter. 225 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,120 OUR DAUGHTER JANUARY 13TH 226 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,240 And life was great. 227 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Then there was a knock at the door. 228 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,360 And it was the police. 229 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,280 From this house, two Swedes tried to drain millions from the city. 230 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,000 The masterminds were sentenced to 6 and 4.5 years 231 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,680 for financial fraud. 232 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,600 NORRTÄLJE PRISON 233 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:02,200 Joachim Posener was permanently expelled from Denmark 234 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,840 and sentenced to six years in prison in Sweden 235 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,680 for aggravated fraud and tax evasion. 236 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,680 It was such a shock to receive such a severe sentence 237 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,040 in a high security prison. 238 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,600 I was 29 when I got locked up. 239 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,040 It was… 240 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,040 THEIR COUP LANDED THEM 500 MILLION 241 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,000 …completely devastating. 242 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:25,760 MARRIED OWNER OF A VILLA 243 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,880 I lost my house, my wife, my child, custody. 244 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,880 WEALTH: 1,032,000 245 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,120 Everything was gone. 246 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,080 It was a nightmare. 247 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Going from an upper middle class life and driving a BMW to work, 248 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,080 to being surrounded by walls covered in blood and vomit. 249 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,360 The Norrtälje prison. 250 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,280 It was one of Sweden's toughest, most high-security prisons. 251 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,840 I didn't belong there. 252 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,600 It's for people that are too dangerous to be around others. 253 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,000 I wasn't in the finance world any more. 254 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,040 You're afraid constantly. 255 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,800 Look at the wrong guy the wrong way at the wrong time, 256 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,840 and you get beaten up. 257 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,440 They're used to fighting. I'm not. 258 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,960 The experience taught me one thing, though. 259 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,280 I never wanted to go through that again. 260 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,840 Yet it was in prison, 261 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,200 first in Norrtälje, then in an open facility, 262 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,320 that Joachim Posener began planning his next move. 263 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Which would come to be the Trustor Affair. 264 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,040 Within a week, I was thinking about how to do it again. 265 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:48,960 But even better. 266 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,080 My mission was to get revenge 267 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,680 and eventually become legit. 268 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,720 I had made acquiring companies without funding 269 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,600 my speciality. 270 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,600 And that was the plan this time as well. 271 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,800 I needed to prove to myself that it could work. 272 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,200 That I could acquire a company with its own money 273 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,520 without breaking any laws. 274 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,520 So I started looking for a publicly listed company 275 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,680 where I could acquire a majority stake and take control. 276 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,760 It needed to have strong cash reserves 277 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,200 and, ideally, undervalued assets. 278 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,920 Whenever I was out on day-release, 279 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,640 I would fill bags with financial magazines and annual reports. 280 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,760 I would walk past the guard and smuggle them right into the prison. 281 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,080 I had made a list of potential companies. 282 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,160 One of them was Trustor, 283 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,000 but it could've been any company, really. 284 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,640 Since I was in prison, I needed accomplices. 285 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,880 I couldn't buy listed companies any more. 286 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,960 I was banned from the finance world. I was burned. 287 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,480 That's when my cousin reached out to me. 288 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,320 JOACHIM - COUSIN THOMAS 289 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,040 Joachim Posener is my cousin. 290 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,680 His mother and my mother were sisters. 291 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,400 So we've basically known each other for our entire lives. 292 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,120 It was around October or November 1996. 293 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Joachim Posener contacted me from prison. He wanted me to visit him. 294 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Thomas reached out to me and said he wanted to pay me a visit. 295 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,160 So I said yes. 296 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,960 He started telling me about his Thul deal and what had happened. 297 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Suddenly, he said, 298 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,560 "If you've got something brewing that I can be a part of, I want to do it." 299 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,120 "Like you did in Denmark." 300 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,560 Joachim asked me to take part in the deals he wanted to make. 301 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,400 Thomas nagged his way into being included, but he knew nothing. 302 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,440 CIVIL ENGINEER 303 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,040 He worked with ISO 9000 certification. 304 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:28,320 QUALITY ADVISOR - ISO 9000 305 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,480 Yeah, but I mean, I was educated enough to understand the concept, 306 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,960 even though I hadn't worked in that field before. 307 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,440 I needed someone to attend meetings in my place, 308 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,360 and he said he was willing to do as he was told. 309 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,520 This was my baby, my project. 310 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,160 It was important to me that I was sole captain of the ship. 311 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,320 But I had failed to anticipate 312 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,880 that Thomas would become blinded by the money 313 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,920 and start acting stupid. 314 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,840 Look who's here! Welcome! 315 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,600 This is my home. This is the living room. 316 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,560 And… there's my little conference table and the dining room. 317 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,680 A big American-style sofa. 318 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,160 And here… 319 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,280 is where I keep my bubbly. 320 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Which I drink whenever I'm thirsty. 321 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,480 And that happens quite often. 322 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,280 So yeah, it's a refrigerator, actually. 323 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,120 And then, uh, I have a lovely view over Monaco. 324 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,440 Think I'm gonna pour myself a drink. 325 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,840 God, it's so bright. 326 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,680 That tastes good. 327 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,680 Here's a mini barbecue and a small fridge. A caviar fridge. 328 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Right, let's move on. 329 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,160 I've got a few coffee machines, ice makers and stuff. 330 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,480 And this is the bedroom. It's Versace. 331 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,520 I only want the best, so that's what I get. 332 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,400 2,100 square feet in a prime location. 333 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,840 Yup. Feels quite good. 334 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:06,760 Gets the job done. 335 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:15,000 The cousins grew up in good middle class neighbourhoods. 336 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,920 Jisander in Askim in Gothenburg… 337 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,080 IN FRONT OF THE VILLA 338 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,680 …and Posener in Lidingö in Stockholm. 339 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,560 JOACHIM IS GOING ICE-SKATING 340 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,320 I wasn't a cool kid. 341 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,040 But I had a strong feeling that nothing was impossible. 342 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,240 When was the first time you took an unlawful loan? 343 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,080 I was part of a financial club in college. 344 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,320 I think I was 17 or 18. 345 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,800 And I needed to pay for something, and they had cash. 346 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,000 So I took it. 347 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,760 I intended to pay it back, 348 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,560 but they found out it was missing before I could. 349 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,640 It must've been… I don't remember. 10,000 krona. 350 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,800 Do you think that was a sign of things to come? 351 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,880 I think it has more to do with how I look on laws and regulations. 352 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,320 I try to follow the laws as best I can, 353 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,720 but when they don't suit me, I see them as guidelines. 354 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,600 When he is temporarily allowed to leave prison, 355 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,200 Posener takes liberties. 356 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,440 He attends business meetings across Europe, 357 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,160 even though he isn't allowed to leave the country. 358 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,680 After four years, he is released, but on parole. 359 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,400 He got out in February 1997. 360 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,320 RELEASED! 361 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,760 He needed a place to stay. 362 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,200 I had an apartment I wasn't using, so I let him use it. 363 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,400 Posener is under supervision 364 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,680 and banned from commercial activities. 365 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,520 But that doesn't matter if you're invisible. 366 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,960 After a while, I realised we needed more accomplices 367 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,560 to help us get there and to open some doors. 368 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,040 And that's when Thomas suggested his friend Peter Mattsson. 369 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,240 Peter Mattsson was from a wealthy family in Gothenburg. 370 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,960 To me, Peter Mattsson's biggest asset was that he knew a British Lord. 371 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,520 A Lord who fit my plan perfectly. 372 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,640 Peter Mattsson came to me with this proposition and said, 373 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,080 "There are these people who want you to front them 374 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,080 buying Trustor." 375 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Lord Moyne is from the successful 376 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,760 brewery family Guinness. 377 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,360 He is indeed a British Lord. 378 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,400 But for a Lord, he is a bit strange. 379 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,240 He wears worn out loafers 380 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,440 and Rastafari bracelets. 381 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,200 He practices yoga. 382 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,920 He lives with his wife, Sue, during the week, 383 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,120 and with his mistress, Shoe, on weekends. 384 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,600 Business was not his cup of tea. 385 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,760 But the Lord needed money. 386 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,760 And he would get it, 387 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,920 so long as he fronted the acquisition of Trustor. 388 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,440 He was my hired figurehead. 389 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,680 With a British Lord on board, 390 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,920 I knew that every single door was now open for us. 391 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,360 The world of finance was eating out of his hand. 392 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,120 No one suspected anything was amiss. 393 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,360 The Lord was presented as a business genius 394 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,000 who wanted to invest in the Nordics. 395 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,760 As proof of his wealth, 396 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,240 the trio showcased a British magazine 397 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,200 which claimed he was one of England's 500 richest people. 398 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,120 But they never told anyone that this was a factual error. 399 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,520 I had my frontman and I had my two assistants, 400 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,080 but a publicly listed company needs a CEO. 401 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,160 I didn't really care who, as long as he was cooperative 402 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,560 and knew that I'd be the one calling the shots. 403 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,920 And Peter said, "You know what? I know a guy, he's great." 404 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,320 Lindsay Smallbone. 405 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,640 Lindsay Smallbone was from New Zealand but lived in London. 406 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,000 He moved in high society circles alongside Lord Moyne. 407 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,680 He lived an extravagant life and had accumulated debts, 408 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,760 so the Trustor job offer came at an opportune time. 409 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440 And so Team Moyne was ready. 410 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,080 From prison, the best people I could recruit 411 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,520 were the party boys, Jisander and Mattsson. 412 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,800 And those… 413 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,520 …well, amateurs, 414 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,520 Lord Moyne and Lindsay Smallbone. 415 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,800 It was kind of an amateur move, 416 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,200 but back then, you couldn't look people up online, on Google. 417 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,600 That didn't exist. 418 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,520 I chose wrong, 419 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,080 it turned out. 420 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840 I should've chosen anyone but Lindsay Smallbone. 421 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,280 He was the one who ruined everything. 422 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440 To me, they were just frontmen. 423 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680 And to afford them, and the other costs from the acquisition, 424 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,480 I borrowed money from the underworld. 425 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,920 Hardened criminals that I'd met in prison in Norrtälje. 426 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,440 Because I couldn't borrow from anyone else. 427 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,120 I offered them a return of 20 million 428 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,560 if they'd lend me one million. 429 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,360 And you don't play games with these people. 430 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,280 They would kill you. 431 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,480 So failure was not an option. 432 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,080 In the spring of 1997, 433 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520 another person was brought onto the team. 434 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,120 In quite an informal interview process, 435 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240 Richard Djursén was recruited at the gym. 436 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,880 I met Thomas Jisander in front of a mirror at the gym. 437 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,560 I was doing bicep curls. 438 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480 We were there talking to ourselves in the mirror. 439 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,400 Another dude was talking to himself in the mirror. 440 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,920 He was looking at his biceps. "Look at these guns," he said. 441 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,280 After a while, we decided to talk to each other instead. 442 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,240 And we became friends. 443 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,160 Thomas said he had something in the works 444 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,920 and that I could be a part of it. 445 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,040 I was dying to change jobs. 446 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,240 I wanted to get into finance. 447 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240 And this allowed me to make that career move. 448 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,800 Since I was a kid, I dreamed about buying a house. 449 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,040 My own house. 450 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,880 So what's always driven me is the will to build a house. 451 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320 I didn't want money, I just wanted a house. 452 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520 And I've worked very hard to achieve that. 453 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,440 You can tell I have an inferiority complex by the size of my house. 454 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,880 I was raised by a single mother who cleaned hotel rooms. 455 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,240 She worked hard, but we never had any money. 456 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040 So when I met other kids who got bikes and mopeds and… 457 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,360 You know, I never got anything. 458 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,840 It wasn't because my mother was stingy, she simply couldn't afford it. 459 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,640 And later on, I was placed in a foster home. 460 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,080 The napkins won't match perfectly this time, 461 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,040 but it'll do the job. 462 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240 At Trustor, my role was to serve as vice president… 463 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,320 CERTIFICATE DEPUTY CEO 464 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,840 …and head of office 465 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760 at the office in Stockholm. 466 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,880 In the spring, I knew nothing of Joachim Posener. 467 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760 I later found out he had been involved in financial fraud, 468 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,160 but I wasn't aware of that back then. 469 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,600 All of my frontmen knew everything. 470 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200 Who I was, that I was Joachim Posener. 471 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000 They knew that I was the one buying Trustor. 472 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,680 If you think everyone in the group knew everything… 473 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,960 You're wrong. We didn't. 474 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,200 Djursén and Jisander both knew there was no money. 475 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,560 At the time, none of us knew 476 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,400 the company was being acquired using its own money. 477 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,960 They knew I bought the company using its own money. 478 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Once again, everyone knew everything. 479 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,160 But it all leads back to me. 480 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,320 Because I'm the one who did it. 481 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400 You now want to show your face. 482 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Can you tell us why now? 483 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920 I realised it's time to be fully honest. 484 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,760 I own what I've done. 485 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,360 I'll show my face now, 486 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,960 but then I'll disappear again. 487 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360 The plan was perfect. 488 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440 But some things are just out of your control. 489 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880 Joachim Posener stays in the background 490 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,320 as the negotiations with Trustor begin in the spring of 1997. 491 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680 I got very good at managing my assistants remotely, 492 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,920 like running a 493 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,760 little puppet show. 494 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,320 I called Thomas and told him what to say, 495 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,720 and he did great. 496 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,760 He was obedient, a quick learner, and easy to control. 497 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840 Thomas's job was to be my assistant. 498 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,200 I wasn't just a mouthpiece. 499 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840 Lots of small decisions had to be made on the fly. 500 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,640 I got calls daily from my gangster friends, 501 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,040 demanding I pay them back immediately, 502 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,280 so I needed to close this deal as soon as possible. 503 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,680 But how will Posener 504 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,480 convince Trustor's founder and owner, Per-Olov Norberg, to sell? 505 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640 Trustor was an investment firm 506 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,680 that didn't produce anything itself, 507 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,720 but bought and sold other companies. 508 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,440 And at the time, 509 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,560 its portfolio held several valuable assets. 510 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,400 COMPANY 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 511 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,760 The owner, Norberg, had undervalued these assets. 512 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,840 He was willing to sell, on one condition. 513 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800 That he could buy back some assets later 514 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320 at a more favourable price. 515 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,200 Of course, I would give him what he wanted, 516 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,920 if he gave me what I wanted. 517 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,880 He would have the option to buy back Trustor's assets. 518 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,320 And with that sale, I would bring cash into the company. 519 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,520 I didn't have any money. 520 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Joachim Posener only needed to buy 17% of the shares 521 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,920 to take control of Trustor. 522 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,360 These were high-voting A shares, 523 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280 and by acquiring them, he would gain a majority in the company 524 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,200 and have access to its cash reserves. 525 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760 I needed a short-term loan. 526 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,720 The price tag for the Trustor shares was a quarter of a billion krona. 527 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,960 If I could borrow that amount for a single day, 528 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,880 I could pay for the shares, 529 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,600 take control of the cash reserves, 530 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,800 and then immediately pay back the loan. 531 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,600 It was simple. 24 hours was all I needed. 532 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,400 Joachim asked me to find a financier. 533 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,840 I managed to bring in a billionaire who was willing to provide a loan. 534 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000 That's essentially bridge financing, 535 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,160 and it's perfectly legal. 536 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,960 The loan was secured, but a legal obstacle emerged. 537 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,360 A majority shareholder or board member of a listed company 538 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840 cannot purchase the company's own assets. 539 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,800 I resolved this 540 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,880 by getting Norberg to resign before the deal. 541 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880 That gave me an unexpected advantage. 542 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600 I suddenly had a five-day extension on the payment, 543 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,400 and didn't need the loan from Thomas's billionaire. 544 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,960 After all this, Joachim told me the financier I'd found 545 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,280 was no longer needed. 546 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,760 He had come up with another solution. 547 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,360 Posener had put together a massive "buy now, pay later" deal. 548 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200 But that created two major problems. 549 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,120 The purchase price of 241 million left a hole in Trustor's cash flow 550 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640 that sooner or later would need to be covered. 551 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,800 And buying a company using its own money 552 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,200 is illegal. 553 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,040 Everything was ready. All that was missing was Lord Moyne's signature. 554 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,200 That's when I realised I had a big decision to make. 555 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,160 I wasn't able to find a way to make the acquisition legal. 556 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,760 I knew that, but did it anyway. 557 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,120 It was a gamble. 558 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080 This is where we differ. I wouldn't have made that choice. 559 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,680 I thought it would work. 560 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,080 JUNE 12, 1997 561 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:51,040 I wasn't in the room when the deal with Norberg was signed. 562 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,360 But I had meticulously planned out the meeting… beforehand. 563 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Everyone knew what their job was, and did it. 564 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,320 The deal was signed at Erik Penser Corporate Finance. 565 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,440 They had gathered Per-Olov Norberg as the seller, 566 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,840 Lord Moyne as the buyer, 567 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,280 I was there as a consultant, 568 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,240 Peter Mattsson was there, 569 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,560 and Erik Penser himself, along with three of his staff members. 570 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,920 I sat in my room 571 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,560 waiting for a call to say that it was done. 572 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,800 I didn't have the slightest suspicion there was anything wrong with the deal. 573 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,920 It was sanctioned at every level. 574 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,200 And finally, the call came. 575 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,840 It was Thomas. 576 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,680 "It's done, Jocke!" 577 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,120 When the agreement was signed, 578 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520 it was a fantastic moment for everyone. 579 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,600 It was a massive accomplishment. 580 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,760 We actually pulled it off. 581 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,240 Done deal. 582 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,360 Yes, well… 583 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,480 Champagne o'clock! 584 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,760 Finally, after four years, the deal had come together. 585 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960 And then it was just, "Wow, I'm back." 586 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,640 There we go. 587 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,200 Team Moyne had full access to Trustor's cash reserves. 588 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,600 But they weren't finished yet. 589 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,280 They still needed to arrange the payments for the loan. 590 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,320 And they had five days to do it. 591 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,720 Posener sent the group to a bank in London 592 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,840 to open several new accounts. 593 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,880 This is the place. 594 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480 The same day they walked in there, 595 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,680 Richard Djursén walked into a bank in Stockholm. 596 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,920 I was 35 years old 597 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,720 and got to be part of a 620 million transaction. 598 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,800 I thought I'd finally made it in the finance industry. 599 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,840 That's where I wanted to be. 600 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,040 Djursén transferred Trustor's money from Sweden 601 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,600 to Trustor's newly opened account in England. 602 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,320 There, the money passed through Thomas Jisander's account, 603 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,480 before being sent on to Lord Moyne, 604 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,360 who paid the former owner. 605 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,000 So it looked as though the payment was coming from the Lord. 606 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640 What made it illegal 607 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,560 was when I told Thomas 608 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200 to send money from Trustor's account 609 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,920 to his own account, 610 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,920 and then on to Lord Moyne, 611 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,520 and then that Norberg was paid with the company's own money. 612 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520 I wasn't that involved in that. 613 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,480 Joachim claimed to have financing in place. 614 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,040 I was instructed to open an agent account at Barclays Bank, 615 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,600 in order to receive money from the financier in question. 616 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,200 Who that was, I didn't know. 617 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,200 But you knew there was no money? 618 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,920 -How would have I known? -You must've talked. 619 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,360 The money came from the financier. 620 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,560 That was how I saw it. 621 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,080 I forwarded it to Lord Moyne, who paid Per-Olov Norberg. 622 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,000 Very straightforward deal. 623 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,240 End of story. 624 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160 The deal was done. Trustor was mine. 625 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,640 I was sitting on a plane, and I was looking around. 626 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,120 Everything was good in my life. I owned Trustor. 627 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920 And I thought, "Nobody knows it… 628 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,840 but I'm the richest and most powerful person on this plane." 629 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:11,240 Trustor's cash reserves were filled to the brim, nearly a billion. 630 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,120 If I'd wanted to take the money and run, 631 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,960 that would have been the moment to do it. 632 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,840 But I had other ambitions. 633 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,680 I wanted to build a corporate empire. 634 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,240 Posener decided London would be the site 635 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,880 for this corporate empire. 636 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,280 He'd figured out that as long as he was living abroad, 637 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000 he could avoid the probation service's supervision. 638 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,160 To get established, 639 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,200 Team Moyne enlisted the help of a local operator. 640 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,920 At lunchtime, 641 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,600 I have a gin and dry martini. 642 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,960 A little bit of gin… 643 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,560 Evening, whisky. 644 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,520 That's been my habit for about 50 years. 645 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,000 Just a spot. 646 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080 Skol! 647 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,680 The first task was to find an office. 648 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,120 "We need the best office 649 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,200 it is possible to have in London." 650 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,080 "A helicopter pad, if possible." 651 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,520 I'm thinking, "Who are these people?" 652 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,800 Endless money. 653 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,600 This was it. 654 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,720 It was… the place to be in London at that time. 655 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,520 My office was that one, 656 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,200 all the way at the top, with its own terrace. 657 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,240 We fought over it. 658 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,480 Everyone wanted it, but I won. 659 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,000 There was always, to me, a little bit of an aura of mystery. 660 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,360 There was one, uh, room in particular, 661 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640 I remember had to have treble walls. 662 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,680 From there, I'd listen to the meeting going on next door, 663 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,600 directing Thomas over the phone, 664 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160 so he would say whatever I wanted him to say. 665 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,640 I asked Michael Wynne-Parker 666 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,520 to help furnish the office. 667 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,440 It had to be luxurious. It had to be "investment banking." 668 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,000 It had to be… top. 669 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,320 And money was no object, so I set off. 670 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520 Yeah, oh… 671 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,040 For me, it was important that things looked right. 672 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,720 I knew that would open new doors and create opportunities. 673 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,480 And then we discovered Napoleon's desk 674 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000 in Harrods. 675 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,320 It was expensive as hell. 676 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,040 Apparently, it came from the Palace of Versailles. 677 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,080 It was a really nice desk. I wonder what happened to it. 678 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,880 Poor Napoleon. 679 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,720 Everyone on Team Moyne took fees for their work. 680 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,160 That was not illegal in itself, 681 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,680 but the amounts were unusually high. 682 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,600 They channelled large sums through accounts in Gibraltar, 683 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,240 Lichtenstein and Switzerland, 684 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,120 and to girlfriends and other family members. 685 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,480 Before the summer half-year report, 686 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,160 Team Moyne had to show that no money was missing. 687 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,920 The solution was a one-day loan. 688 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,840 Window dressing from a bank in Luxembourg. 689 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,520 From the outside, 690 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,480 it all seemed to be going very well. 691 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,440 Still a part of me 692 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,720 I can't break free 693 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,440 Still a part of me 694 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,800 I can't break free… 695 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000 After the deal, they lived lavishly in London. 696 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,920 Very lavishly. 697 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,880 Joachim Posener was staying at a hotel. 698 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,720 Thomas Jisander and Peter Mattsson furnished a shared apartment. 699 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,440 You're still a part of me… 700 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,480 It was a fantastic penthouse with a wraparound terrace, 701 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,680 with views over London and Hyde Park, 702 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,880 with huge reception rooms and golden faucets. 703 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,240 My bedroom was entirely Versace. 704 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,000 I was fully into the Versace thing. 705 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,440 Versace bedspreads, Versace pillows, Versace dressing gowns… Everything. 706 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,440 Fantastic apartment. 707 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,960 We split up for the summer and took a break until the fall. 708 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,440 Then we'd get to work. 709 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,240 I told Thomas to keep a low profile. 710 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,040 Whoa! 711 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,040 Celebrating should be fun, not boring. 712 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,960 And how do you have the most fun? By doing whatever you want. 713 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,280 We're now walking on Pampelonne Beach. 714 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,840 27 years later. 715 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,360 It's still a little exciting to "walk the plank" again. 716 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,560 It's kind of fun. 717 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,040 Nerve-wracking, but exciting at the same time. 718 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,600 We're now approaching the very beach where we partied after the fantastic deal. 719 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,960 The bar was here. 720 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,880 From somewhere over there to here. 721 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,200 We did a great job. I was well paid for my efforts. 722 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,960 Money well-earned, I'd say. 723 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,160 The bar was huge. 724 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:27,600 We had to celebrate that. 725 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,320 Only proper way to do that is with a yacht. 726 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,400 Peter, wake up! Time to pop the cork. 727 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,240 We boarded that boat in late June, if I remember right. 728 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,320 We had it for nearly two months. 729 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,480 The boat was equipped with a helicopter pad. 730 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,840 It wasn't meant for flying 200 yards from the boat to the beach. 731 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,440 But that's why it was so fun to do it. 732 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,040 We kept thinking we had to raise the bar. "What are we going to do this time?" 733 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,360 So I started dressing up to keep things interesting. 734 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,520 I put on 735 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,880 a bra, high heels, and those big Elton John glasses, 736 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,240 and danced all over the boat while blasting Star Wars music. 737 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,520 This is the spot we flew in from. 738 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200 To there. Maybe 500 yards? 739 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,160 Up in the air. 740 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,520 The only place we could land was on the roof of the bar. 741 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,720 The bar at Voile Rouge was made out of concrete. 742 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,280 Four pillars and a very sturdy roof. 743 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,560 That's where we landed with the helicopter. 744 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,880 But we didn't consider how strong the rotor blades were. 745 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,480 We landed on the roof and were gonna make a fantastic entrance. 746 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,400 But… 747 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,200 It blew everything away. 748 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,760 People were sitting there eating lunch. Everyone started running. 749 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,280 Everything was flying around. People, food in their faces, bolognese… 750 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,600 …salmon, shrimp, you name it. 751 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,440 All of it was all over everyone's faces. 752 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,600 It looked like a war zone. I thought, "What the hell do we do?" 753 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,840 I came out of the helicopter riding high but those people were going to kill us. 754 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,880 To make up for the damage, 755 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,920 I decided to order champagne. 756 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,880 I ordered everything they had. 757 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,040 "What do you mean, all of it?" 758 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,160 "All of it!" 759 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,800 The money was burning a hole in his pocket. 760 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,200 It was crazy. 761 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,200 It must have been one of the best summers 762 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,800 for everyone who was on that beach at Voile Rouge in July 1997. 763 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,840 We got through 408 bottles of Cristal. 764 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,440 In my mind, in my mind 765 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,360 In my mind… 766 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,680 Meanwhile in Sweden, at the much quieter Stockholm office, 767 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,560 vice president Richard Djursén was trying to hold things together. 768 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,520 I worked through the summer. I was given a lot of strange tasks. 769 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,840 They could be anything and everything. 770 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,040 A lot of it was rather boring, though. 771 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,360 I changed the locks on doors. I bought a new fax machine. 772 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,120 Plane tickets arrived for people that had nothing to do with Trustor. 773 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,080 TO DO 774 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,840 I ran personal errands for them. 775 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,760 UNPAID BILLS 776 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200 Thomas had an apartment in Vasastan, not far from there. 777 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,280 I went there to collect his mail and pay his bills. 778 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,080 With his money. 779 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,360 It's starting to rain. 780 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,240 I need to get these out of the rain 781 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,880 because of all the pollen in the air right now. 782 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,000 But it's more of a hygiene issue. I think it makes sense. 783 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,600 Good exercise, too. 784 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,800 Running back and forth. 785 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800 You don't have to do this in Marbella. 786 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,640 Okay, I think that's it. It's really coming down now. 787 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,640 Oh my God. 788 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,560 That summer, I got a call from Richard Djursén. 789 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,080 He was hysterical. 790 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,720 "Jocke, Jocke, you have to do something. It's going to be a disaster." 791 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,040 He said that Thomas had ended up in Paris Match magazine 792 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,520 with his champagne parties. 793 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,280 So I called him. 794 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,320 But there was no stopping Thomas. 795 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,200 You couldn't accuse them of being boring on the French Riviera. 796 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,960 Thomas Jisander was given the nickname "Mr. No Limit." 797 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,880 Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander each bought a Ferrari on a whim. 798 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,160 One blue, a Ferrari F355, 799 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,120 and an identical red one. 800 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,600 They were around one million francs. 801 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,160 We paid in cash, got in the cars and drove off. 802 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,120 I never saw that car again. 803 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,760 I had that Ferrari for 15 minutes. 804 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,760 I don't know where it ended up. I left it somewhere. 805 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,080 So much happened that summer. 806 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,400 We had one car left. 807 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,680 So we decided to drive down together to the Versace store in Saint-Tropez. 808 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,640 I was horrified when they told me. 809 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,960 It was the exact opposite of what you should do 810 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,640 if you've just bought a company with its own money. 811 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,640 You don't want to draw attention. 812 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,480 We had this unspoken competition going the whole time. 813 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,520 "The one who has most toys when he dies wins." 814 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,480 More or less. 815 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,440 I would never in my wildest imagination 816 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,800 have thought that anyone could be so reckless. 817 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,280 I'd underestimated Thomas. 818 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,560 In 1997, that summer, the Versace store was here. 819 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,200 We rolled up from over here. 820 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:46,920 That's where I stopped. 821 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,400 I dropped Peter off, and as he's getting out, he says, 822 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,120 "There won't be a single thing left in the store by the time you come in." 823 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,920 He walked straight into the store. We'd had a few drinks. 824 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,080 "There'll be nothing left for you at all." 825 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,160 He bought everything in every size. 826 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,840 That set me off. 827 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,120 "How do I top this?" 828 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,640 So I told them that I wanted the rest. 829 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,640 "There's nothing left, sir." 830 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,000 "I'll take the checkout counter, 831 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520 the cash register, the changing room doors, 832 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,280 the drapes, curtains and the light fixtures." 833 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,680 "Unscrew everything, the whole store." 834 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680 Electrical wires were hanging everywhere. 835 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,360 It was completely gutted, like a grenade had been thrown into the place. 836 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,440 Then the owner came out with a screwdriver. 837 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,360 There was a Medusa here, 838 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,920 cut in half, so you could open the door like this. 839 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,440 It was beautiful. 840 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,960 So he unscrewed the handles. 841 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,160 That was it. Nothing left. 842 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,760 Ransacked. 843 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:52,520 How much did you spend in total, the summer of 1997? 844 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,240 Oy. 845 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,800 I don't know. I can do a rough estimate. 846 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,640 The boat cost three, four million a week, plus fuel and that sort of thing. 847 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,600 Um… 848 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,160 We had it for eight weeks, so… 849 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,800 uh… 50 million, maybe? 850 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,920 Something like that. 40? 851 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,760 -Was it worth it? -Yes, it was. 852 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,000 How much were you paid in total from Trustor? 853 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,360 I don't know the exact figure. I'm so old now, I can't remember. 854 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,520 If these guys hadn't been gallivanting around the French Riviera like fools, 855 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920 they probably would've got away with it. 856 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360 This is financial veteran Björn Björnsson. 857 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,240 He's been called the Terminator of the business world, 858 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,800 the industry's own sheriff. 859 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,080 I think they all wanted this. 860 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,640 Money, money, money. 861 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,120 But here's the problem… 862 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,400 Money talks. 863 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,920 That might make you look the other way. 864 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,280 Björn Björnsson ended up taking on more roles than anyone expected. 865 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,760 His first role was as a board member of Trustor 866 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,040 when the actual purchase was made. 867 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,920 When Lord Moyne stood as owner of the A shares in Trustor, 868 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,080 I assumed they'd been paid for. 869 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,280 But that wasn't the case. 870 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,920 You can't take 241 million without it being noticed. 871 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,560 Sooner or later, you get caught. 872 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,160 There had to be more to the plan. 873 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,880 A master plan. 874 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,360 My long-term plan was to build up 875 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,720 and own a corporate empire. 876 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,680 I was going to accomplish that with a classic pyramid owner structure. 877 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,760 One company that owns another company that owns a third. 878 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,960 If the first company was Trustor at one billion, 879 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,760 and the second company was worth five billion, 880 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680 then the third could be worth ten billion. 881 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,080 After acquiring Trustor, 882 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,960 I used its money to make my next acquisition. 883 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,240 THE SPORTS DIVISION WILSON 884 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,680 First, I tried Wilson, the international sports brand. 885 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,240 But the money came in four days late, 886 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,880 so the deal fell through. 887 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,520 That's how close I was to getting the next company in place in my pyramid. 888 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,200 Team Moyne would acquire new companies 889 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,560 and sell off Trustor's assets. 890 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,680 When we got back to the office in London after the summer, 891 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400 everything was completely different. 892 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,120 Business as usual. 893 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,840 It was time to dust ourselves off and wash the suits. 894 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,720 We had to get back to work and start looking for new deals. 895 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,240 From my apartment in London to the office, 896 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,320 I travelled every morning by private chauffeur, in two cars. 897 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,760 I rode in the front one 898 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,360 and my briefcase travelled in the one behind me. 899 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,720 When it came to showing up to work on time, I wasn't overly concerned. 900 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,920 Thomas arrived on Tuesday and went home on Thursday. 901 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,520 We argued the whole time. 902 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,440 Thomas had been my loyal henchman. 903 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,040 He'd always done everything for me, and it was perfect. 904 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,480 Then… he lost his mind. 905 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,160 He sided with Peter Mattsson. 906 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,800 Suddenly it was Thomas and Peter who were a team, 907 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,240 when it used to be Thomas and me. 908 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,440 I was losing him. 909 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,600 My focus was on finding a solution 910 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,520 that would make my ownership of Trustor legal. 911 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,360 Annual accounts were due on December 31st. 912 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200 It was September. I had four months. 913 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,600 So I needed to keep Thomas somewhat… in check. 914 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,080 I think he was jealous that he was not living it up in high society like I was. 915 00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,920 He wanted to do what I was doing. 916 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,960 If I said A, he said B, 917 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,960 just to make a point that he also was important. 918 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,880 My entire control of Trustor 919 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,200 depended on Thomas being between me and the rest of the world. 920 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,000 I had entrusted him with being the one who held the money. 921 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,720 The money sat in his account, not mine. 922 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,640 He suddenly had the power. 923 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,320 We started shouting at each other, like children, in front of everyone. 924 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,720 All of a sudden, my hired lackeys wanted everything to be put to a vote 925 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,080 and decided as a group. 926 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,600 Lord Moyne and Lindsay Smallbone sat on the board. 927 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,720 I had no role at all. 928 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,880 Then Thomas and Peter were busy trying to stop a journalist 929 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,200 who'd turned up. 930 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,200 I didn't think much of that at all. He just wanted to ask a few questions. 931 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,320 I think that's normal after a large deal. 932 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,080 It was a coincidence. 933 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,960 I was very new at Svenska Dagbladet. 934 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,080 I was given various assignments. 935 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,840 Lord Moyne had just bought Trustor. 936 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,040 We came up with the idea of doing an interview with him 937 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,640 and trying to profile him. So I got started. 938 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,360 But when I called Trustor the next day, 939 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,560 he wasn't there. 940 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,920 I got put in touch with Richard Djursén, 941 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,440 who promised to set something up for me. 942 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,480 I called Team Moyne, 943 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,520 and they came up with one reason after another 944 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,440 to postpone the interview again and again. 945 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,320 The journalist was irritated, to put it mildly. 946 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,200 At that time, it didn't occur to me that it could be a fraud. 947 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,000 I just wanted insight. 948 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,280 The more he discovered, the more curious he became. 949 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,240 Over time, I started to feel that something wasn't right. 950 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,760 I had doubts about whether Lord Moyne had any money. 951 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,360 Instead of the prominent businessman that he made himself out to be, 952 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,880 I began to suspect that he might be the black sheep of the Guinness family. 953 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,440 In my research, I had also learned about Peter Mattsson's involvement in a company 954 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,120 that had swindled wealthy Englishmen out of their fortunes. 955 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,840 Lindsay Smallbone had also run companies 956 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,240 and then taken money for his own personal use 957 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,440 and things like that. 958 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,480 A band of thieves, basically. 959 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,520 I had no idea about any of this. 960 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,680 Their skeletons came tumbling out of the closet, 961 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,360 all the things they'd concealed from me in order to be part of the deal. 962 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,760 The irony is, if they had given me an interview the next day 963 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,440 when I first called, 964 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,720 there wouldn't have been a Trustor affair. At least, not because of me. 965 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,680 Coincidences can set off a chain reaction of events. 966 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,080 At the same time as the journalist started digging into the deal, 967 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,560 a British private investigator received a new assignment. 968 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,000 For the last maybe 35 years or so, 969 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,880 I've been a fraud investigator. 970 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,120 It's not rocket science. 971 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,840 It's like cooking, anyone can do it. 972 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,360 His assignment was to dig up dirt 973 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120 on one of the parties in a legal dispute. 974 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,840 And that person happened to be… 975 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,160 Lindsay Smallbone, Trustor's new CEO. 976 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,960 The client said, 977 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,600 "I want to look into Lindsay Smallbone. I have a bone to pick with him." 978 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,720 "I'd like you to see who he really is, 979 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,280 because I think he's a cheat and a crook." 980 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,880 So we did the background search on Lindsay Smallbone, 981 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040 and found out that Lindsay was 982 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,680 a director of a company in Sweden called Trustor AB. 983 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,200 So let's see what this company 984 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,360 he's a managing director of is. 985 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,840 I'm flicking through this file of Trustor. 986 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,680 There was something just didn't seem right in that paperwork. 987 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,280 It looked like the payment was going to the original owner Norberg afterwards. 988 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,400 And I thought, "Hang on a second." 989 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,440 "It doesn't make sense, 990 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,200 because you shouldn't be in control of the company 991 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,760 and then pay the person." 992 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,200 "Something's wrong with this company. Something's really wrong." 993 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,960 The walls are closing in from every direction. 994 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,200 An investigative journalist, 995 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,120 and, on another front, a private investigator, 996 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,760 and, on top of that, the police. 997 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,760 Because on the same day the private investigator 998 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,000 stumbled across the information about Trustor, 999 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,640 he had a meeting with the financial crimes unit 1000 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680 on a completely different matter. 1001 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,920 It was Friday, October 17th, 1997. 1002 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,600 The meeting to see Jochum Söderström was nothing to do with Trustor. 1003 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,040 That's important. I just had it on my mind. 1004 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,520 That day, an overly long phone call 1005 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,600 would accidentally cause one of Sweden's largest police investigations. 1006 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,160 I arrived early, but Jochum, I could see in one office, 1007 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,520 was on the telephone. 1008 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,400 I directed him to my colleague. 1009 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,200 Nigel went over, they started talking, 1010 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,200 and I continued my call. 1011 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,560 I was being shown this paperwork, 1012 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,920 very privileged to see what they were gathering intelligence on. 1013 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,400 And I just said, "This is small stuff." 1014 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,160 "Big stuff is actually already happening, 1015 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,160 but it's happening in open space, on the stock exchange." 1016 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,280 I can see they're getting worked up. 1017 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,080 At that moment, 1018 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,440 Jochum had finished his phone call. 1019 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,320 He stood there and went, "Nigel, which company are you talking about?" 1020 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,760 He was able to tell me it was the investment company Trustor. 1021 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,680 Everything happened between about 12:30 and six in the afternoon. 1022 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,400 We're talking about six hours. 1023 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,320 Then I was out. 1024 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,440 It was sheer coincidence that we learned about this. 1025 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,440 This became the starting gun for us to launch the intelligence work, 1026 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,800 and work towards a preliminary investigation. 1027 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,480 Nigel also told us there was a journalist 1028 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,960 who had already been in contact with them. 1029 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,840 So I decided we should call him in to see what he knew. 1030 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,920 So we made a deal. 1031 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,120 "I give you information and you give me information." 1032 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,680 I knew a very damning newspaper article was going to come out 1033 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,080 at the end of October. 1034 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,320 But I didn't know the police had started an investigation. 1035 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,680 At the time, I'd already booked a trip with my daughter and my girlfriend. 1036 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,000 It was the first time my daughter and I would be able to go somewhere together. 1037 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,800 Because I'd been in prison, I'd missed four of her five years. 1038 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,240 Those important years of changing diapers 1039 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,400 and being there to comfort her when she needed it. 1040 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,560 This was our chance to get a fresh start. 1041 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,280 So I decided to go anyway. 1042 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,120 We went to Barbados for a week. 1043 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,680 It was important to work quickly. 1044 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,280 We had to focus on what happened and who did what. 1045 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,360 It didn't take long until we discovered 1046 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,280 that Lord Moyne was flat broke. 1047 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,520 At the same time, 1048 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,280 we looked into the Swedes, 1049 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,960 Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander. 1050 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,760 Did they perhaps have any credit cards? 1051 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,320 Yes, they did. 1052 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,040 A massive amount of money had been spent in Saint-Tropez, 1053 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,080 buying cases of champagne, 1054 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,080 renting helicopters, renting a boat. 1055 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,600 Really living it up out there. 1056 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,080 We knew we were on to something here. 1057 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,160 We contacted the central bank of Sweden 1058 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,360 to see whether any more money 1059 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,840 had gone abroad. 1060 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,400 We had discovered that over 600 million 1061 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,800 had been paid out to a mysterious account 1062 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,200 at Barclays Bank in London. 1063 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,440 They also told us that the account balance was almost zeroed out. 1064 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,160 This was serious. 1065 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,880 Everyone on Team Moyne is abroad as police and the journalist dig deeper. 1066 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,360 Piece by piece, the plan was uncovered. 1067 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,680 There was a lot of back and forth before the article was published. 1068 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,400 Were the facts correct? 1069 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,120 We had to double-check everything and be absolutely sure. 1070 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,920 Then Gunnar Lindstedt published his article. 1071 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,040 And that was it. 1072 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,000 THE POLICE INVESTIGATES TRUSTOR DEALS 1073 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,320 POWER STRUGGLE INSTIGATED LORD 1074 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,720 PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE TRUSTOR PLOT 1075 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,000 Team Moyne began to panic in London. 1076 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,800 They were demanding answers to questions that I can't even remember. 1077 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,000 We went back and forth. I was asked to look into this, deny that. 1078 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,400 All sorts of stuff. 1079 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,840 We went to the Trustor offices. Richard Djursén was there. 1080 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,280 We sat down to talk to Djursén. 1081 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,560 After a while, he just broke down completely. 1082 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,160 We needed to find the person who was in charge of this deal. 1083 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,880 Three people were part of the Lord's entourage. 1084 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,120 Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander, 1085 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,040 and then there was Joe Falk. 1086 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,320 We knew nothing about him. 1087 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,240 According to my sources, this was a key character. 1088 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,880 Who is Joe Falk? 1089 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,520 He clearly held a prominent position. 1090 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,000 Who was Joe Falk? 1091 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,560 EUROCARD - ADDITIONAL ORDER 1092 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,480 That evening, Richard Djursén calls and tells us, 1093 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,520 "Check out Thomas Jisander's cousin." 1094 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,800 We checked the criminal records. 1095 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,960 And who did we find? 1096 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,680 Joe Falk. 1097 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,880 His real name 1098 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,160 was Joachim Posener. 1099 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,240 As I prepared for the Trustor deal, 1100 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,840 I sometimes used 1101 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,240 made-up names, 1102 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,040 such as Joakim Rolfsson, 1103 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,560 Ralph Jobe, 1104 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,080 and Joe Falk. 1105 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,720 I didn't want anyone to associate the name Joachim Posener with Trustor. 1106 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,280 While I'm in Barbados, 1107 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,880 my life falls apart. 1108 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,880 I remember I was having lunch on a sundeck by the pool. 1109 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,360 A waiter comes up to me. 1110 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,880 "Mr. Posener, there's a call for you." 1111 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,480 He points at a telephone there. 1112 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,560 It was back when we had those on the wall. 1113 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,320 I expected bad news, but… nothing like that. 1114 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,320 I pick up the phone. It's Thomas. 1115 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,720 -Hello? -Saying… 1116 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,200 "Jocke, 1117 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,200 listen carefully." 1118 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,360 "The police raided us." 1119 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,400 "They've launched a preliminary investigation." 1120 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,160 "What's that?" I asked. 1121 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,880 He said, "Well, it's not good." 1122 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,160 No, it wasn't. 1123 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,280 I knew it was over right away. 1124 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,320 We had to act quickly. 1125 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,640 There was a risk that the money might disappear 1126 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,960 once they realised what was happening. 1127 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,280 Time was up. The police were banging on the door. 1128 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,920 They were already inside. 1129 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,880 I had one image in my head. 1130 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,680 Norrtälje. 1131 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,000 I had a video camera. 1132 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:03,720 And, uh, 1133 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,280 my girlfriend was filming me at the world's most amazing restaurant. 1134 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,600 My daughter said something to me and I answered her, 1135 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,200 but we talked past each other. 1136 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,560 I was just… not there. 1137 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,320 It was over. 1138 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,760 A lot of things were happening at once. 1139 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,760 So I left Barbados on October 31st. 1140 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,240 That same day, Svenska Dagbladet published their article 1141 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,320 and the police raided Trustor. 1142 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,000 Thomas was waiting for me at Heathrow when we arrived from Barbados. 1143 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,400 I sent my girlfriend and daughter back to Sweden. 1144 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,880 My girlfriend was supposed to sort out a few things 1145 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,000 and then come back to London. 1146 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,320 One of the things was to go to Thomas's place, 1147 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,200 where I'd left a few things, 1148 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,920 and get rid of them. 1149 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,120 She succeeded, partly. 1150 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,640 She left a notebook behind. 1151 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,160 So when the police searched Thomas Jisander's home, 1152 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:12,040 they found several pieces of information that linked Joachim Posener to the deal. 1153 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,600 In Jisander's apartment, 1154 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,960 we found documents and plans for the crime, 1155 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,840 detailing how they did it. 1156 01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:22,120 HOW HE PLANNED TO TAKE OVER TRUSTOR 1157 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,040 They also confirmed that Joachim Posener was the mastermind. 1158 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,160 It came to light that 400 million was missing 1159 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,920 from Trustor's accounts. 1160 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,960 Thomas knew a few people in Geneva. 1161 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,920 "They've got a solution, Jocke." And off we went. 1162 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:43,840 LE RICHEMOND - GENEVA 1163 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,920 Thomas had arranged a meeting 1164 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,600 with the mafia's bankers. 1165 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,480 Both were called Ricardo, 1166 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,360 and they were both Italians. 1167 01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:55,280 They had bodyguards with them. 1168 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,120 I realised straightaway 1169 01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,920 that they were involved in organised crime in Italy. 1170 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,200 I was under the impression that they would present a solution 1171 01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,680 that would help me keep Trustor. 1172 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,800 But their solution 1173 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,240 was that they would buy Trustor and take it over. 1174 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,080 No, we didn't meet them. 1175 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,360 There was no meeting with Joachim and R1 and R2. No. 1176 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,320 I don't think he ever met them. 1177 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,040 Thomas was in a state of panic. Well, we all were. 1178 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,960 And in that panic, 1179 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,720 he wanted to pass the hot potato to them, 1180 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,600 and cover up that 400 million shortfall. 1181 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,440 I don't recall that. 1182 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,080 Uh… 1183 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,480 No. 1184 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,280 He thought he could bring a bank statement to Sweden, 1185 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,440 and show them that the 400 million was still there. 1186 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,240 And that Ricardo and Ricardo were the new owners. 1187 01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,720 But they wanted to pick the company clean. 1188 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,360 I didn't want that. 1189 01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:01,440 Because I realised that I'd be held accountable for that too. 1190 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,640 So I declined right there and then, 1191 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:04,960 and we left. 1192 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,960 That was the last time I saw Thomas. 1193 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,600 I was only interested in owning the company. 1194 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,200 But since the police were involved, I knew that ship had sailed. 1195 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,440 It was not gonna happen. I left Trustor. 1196 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,400 When I left Geneva, 1197 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,920 I was done. 1198 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,520 I'd split my share of the Trustor deal across three bank accounts. 1199 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,520 One of them was in Israel. 1200 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,560 I thought my accounts would be frozen and the funds confiscated. 1201 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,320 I thought I'd withdraw the cash, hide it, and return home. 1202 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,640 I went to an internet café and followed the news. 1203 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,560 They hadn't published my picture. 1204 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,840 I called a few trusted friends at home. 1205 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,680 But I didn't contact my family. 1206 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,440 I realised they would be under police surveillance. 1207 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,720 I was really paranoid. 1208 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,440 Since everyone in Team Moyne was abroad, 1209 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,120 the police had to focus 1210 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,120 on the few people they could find in Sweden. 1211 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,760 For me, it all clicked into place over the All Saint's weekend that year. 1212 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:28,120 My wife and I were driving down to Skåne with a trailer, carrying random things. 1213 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,280 Bikes and a lawnmower, things for the summer house. 1214 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:34,760 Then the phone rang. 1215 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,160 I was a little more irritable than usual. I answered, "Hello?" 1216 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,480 "Is this Björn Björnsson?" 1217 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,000 "Course it is," I said. "Who the hell else would it be?" 1218 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,400 "This is the Federal Crime Police." 1219 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:47,160 I did a U-turn. 1220 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,000 I started driving back and they said… 1221 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,040 "We'd like to hold an interview with you this evening." 1222 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,480 "Okay," I said, "I'll be there as fast as I can." 1223 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,760 And then I hung up. 1224 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,800 I drove as fast as I could from Österlen to Stockholm. 1225 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,000 And when I got there, I was cross-examined for three hours. 1226 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,640 I was a suspect initially. 1227 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,640 I was furious, to be honest with you. 1228 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,840 This always gives me a hard time. 1229 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,520 The police also spoke to vice president Richard Djursén. 1230 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,880 It was a few hours before I was set to go on my honeymoon to Mauritius. 1231 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,880 I'd spoken to the police and everything seemed fine. 1232 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,720 They let me go to Mauritius. 1233 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,240 It was not a fun vacation. 1234 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,960 All the journalists kept calling me. No one else was picking up the phone. 1235 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,000 I understand Lindsay Smallbone will be explaining 1236 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,960 later today how the funds have been invested, 1237 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,720 what's happened with the money that is… 1238 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,640 Or rather, the money that is not at Barclays Bank. 1239 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,520 In hindsight, it was a disastrous vacation. 1240 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,400 I was only ever the vice president in name only. 1241 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,040 That's just a title that I've been given. 1242 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,280 In the day to day, I was more of an errand boy, I would say. 1243 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,400 Djursén just couldn't keep his mouth shut. 1244 01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:08,680 He kept yapping. 1245 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,760 Had Lindsay Smallbone and Lord Moyne been a bit more crafty, 1246 01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,720 they could've easily accessed the account to rectify things. 1247 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,560 There was no stopping him. 1248 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,040 He kept creating new problems. 1249 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,960 I've been dragged into something that has nothing to do with me. 1250 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,240 It went so far that some of my friends called and said, 1251 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:30,960 "Don't talk to journalists." 1252 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,840 "It's obvious that you've been drinking and you're on live TV." 1253 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,920 So who appointed you? 1254 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,480 Uh… 1255 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,480 Well, officially, I suppose it was… 1256 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,920 uh, the board, I think? 1257 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,640 Disaster. 1258 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,440 Still married, so that's good. 1259 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,120 I was in Israel, 1260 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,000 and just watching this story 1261 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,680 grow bigger and bigger… 1262 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,120 THE BRAINS BEHIND THE COUP? 1263 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,120 …and bigger. 1264 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,960 HUNTED FOR THE MILLION KRONOR COUP 1265 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,360 I was on every front page. 1266 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:08,600 POLICE INVESTIGATE COMPANIES 1267 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,560 The collapse was amazing. 1268 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,360 I mean, page after page of the British press. 1269 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,880 I mean, everything stopped so quickly. 1270 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,680 One day, it was business. 1271 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,360 The next day, finito. 1272 01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:34,800 A week after the affair came to light, 1273 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,800 Thomas Jisander and Peter Mattsson left the Riviera and returned to Sweden. 1274 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,480 They had intended to come forward and face the press, 1275 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,760 but found themselves in custody instead. 1276 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,600 CAME TO FACE THE PRESS, ENDED UP IN CUSTODY 1277 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,400 I was like, "Man, what's the big deal? Why don't they just ask their questions?" 1278 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,480 "Let's open a bottle of wine and talk it out." 1279 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,720 PROSECUTOR DETAINED BOTH JISANDER AND MATTSSON 1280 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,760 We were there all of 15 minutes at most. 1281 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,640 And that was it, done. 1282 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:03,760 Detained. 1283 01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,000 Everyone in Team Moyne was removed from their positions. 1284 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,200 FORCED TO RESIGN - DETAINED 1285 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,000 Posener was arrested in absentia. 1286 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,320 DETAINED IN ABSENTIA 1287 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,200 Meanwhile, Björn Björnsson took on his second role in Trustor. 1288 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,120 He was appointed the new CEO while this was happening. 1289 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,680 It was an extremely messy week when this all blew up. 1290 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,920 The first thing I did as CEO 1291 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,520 was to try and wrap my head around what actually happened. 1292 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:32,840 NEW CEO, TRUSTOR 1293 01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,080 In late fall, early winter, Björn Björnsson got in touch 1294 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,280 and we met at a lawyer's office. 1295 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,040 I sat there and told him everything I knew. 1296 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,960 That Team Moyne was intending to sell some of Trustor's assets 1297 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,320 at far too low a price 1298 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,000 to a previous majority shareholder, Norberg. 1299 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,320 I prevented that, 1300 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,800 and in doing so I saved Trustor a lot of money. 1301 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,800 Well, you can be a useful idiot. 1302 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,520 But that doesn't excuse your actions. 1303 01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:11,800 I saw a vice president who could not do his job properly. 1304 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,120 It was obvious he'd have to go. 1305 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,520 Despite telling them everything I knew, 1306 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,160 I was fired. 1307 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,080 It was so humiliating. 1308 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,360 That time at Trustor was… 1309 01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,080 It's still hard. 1310 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,880 POSENER FALK, JOACHIM RALPH GROSS BREACH OF TRUST 1311 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,160 The last trace of Joachim Posener 1312 01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,280 was from November 1997. 1313 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,800 NO KNOWN ADDRESS 1314 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,080 He moved around Europe, 1315 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:49,920 paid in cash, 1316 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,560 and stayed in hotels using aliases. 1317 01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,840 He managed to board a plane to South America 1318 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,280 just days before an international warrant was issued. 1319 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:01,560 INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANT 1320 01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,960 I did know somebody in the Stockholm criminal world, 1321 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,920 and he knew somebody in South America. 1322 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,200 These people are well-organised and highly dangerous. 1323 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:29,040 I proceeded to buy what I later learned is known as a "legend" 1324 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,440 in the world of spies. 1325 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,720 So a shell of a person that you assume. 1326 01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,320 They can take decades to create. 1327 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,360 And just like that, 1328 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,000 I was a new man. 1329 01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:47,960 -Is it the next one? -Yes, straight, and then right. 1330 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,080 I became another person, who already existed. 1331 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,200 -Look at his face. So swollen. -Actually, it's gone down a bit. 1332 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,440 These people hid me in a small village in Brazil. 1333 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,360 I lived there for many years. 1334 01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:08,840 -Hello! -Hello! 1335 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,440 I spent a lot of time in a favela, the local slum. 1336 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,960 The police never went there. 1337 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,760 You don't go there uninvited. 1338 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,480 The territory was controlled by a drug cartel, 1339 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,120 and they had soldiers at every entrance. 1340 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,880 Nobody would find me there. 1341 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,640 Good evening. Recent developments in the Trustor saga… 1342 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,800 During the fall of 1997, 1343 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,680 news anchors in colourful ties continued to report on the Trustor saga. 1344 01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,640 …looting of funds. 1345 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,120 The looting of Trustor assets worth hundreds of millions. 1346 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,360 Everybody talked of "looting." 1347 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:05,320 The looting of Trustor's assets might never be resolved. 1348 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,600 THE MOST BRAZEN LOOTING 1349 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,120 One question remained unanswered, 1350 01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,400 where is the money from Trustor? 1351 01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:14,360 OH MY LORD, WHERE'S THE MONEY? 1352 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,080 Around 400 million was missing. 1353 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,520 I had used 240 million to pay the former owner, Norberg. 1354 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,880 The money had been converted into shares and pledged to the bank. 1355 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,200 So when the police were looking for the money, 1356 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,040 it's there, as shares. 1357 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:43,240 There had been speculation about how much I'd made from the Trustor deal. 1358 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,000 I paid myself ten million in total. 1359 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,960 That's the true figure. 1360 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,520 Maybe not what you were expecting, but it's true. 1361 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,520 I was planning to take out ten million a year in salary. 1362 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,360 That was the plan for the long-term, anyway. 1363 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,520 But nothing turned out as I had planned, of course, 1364 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,840 and half of the ten million was frozen by the police and Trustor, 1365 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,800 so I never even got the full amount of that. 1366 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,960 And then we have Thomas's fee. 1367 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,880 He got five million, but wasn't satisfied with that. 1368 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,520 From what I understand, he took another 90 million. 1369 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,160 But that happened behind my back. It didn't go through me. 1370 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,000 What mattered to me was paying back the 20 million 1371 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,160 I owed to the Swedish gangsters. 1372 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,440 That way, I wouldn't be in their debt and wouldn't have problems in the future. 1373 01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,120 And 70 million went to various expenses. 1374 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,920 Salaries, travel expenses, office rentals. 1375 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,960 Compensation to Lord Moyne, Lindsay and Peter. 1376 01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:50,400 I bought Trustor, but I didn't loot the company. 1377 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,680 You looted company assets by buying it with its own money, 1378 01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,000 and using the accounts for furnishings, travel expenses, vacations… 1379 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,320 But if I write, 1380 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,160 uh, 1381 01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,160 an invoice, that's not looting. 1382 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:05,480 It's a business expense. 1383 01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,320 I bought a company. I didn't rob anyone. 1384 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,560 So if it's not stealing, then what is it? 1385 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,360 I bought the company using an unauthorised loan. 1386 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:17,960 That's it. 1387 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,840 This is where we live. We're in the kitchen. 1388 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,280 I'm boiling some water 1389 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,680 for breakfast. 1390 01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:44,720 I'm sorry, I couldn't be bothered to clean. 1391 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,560 The dishwasher can't handle it all. 1392 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,200 We went out to buy some bread. 1393 01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,760 I lived off the money from Trustor for about three years. 1394 01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,760 Life on the run is very expensive. 1395 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,360 So is buying a new identity 1396 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,600 and not being able to work. 1397 01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:05,920 It's expensive 1398 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,840 pretending to be somebody else. 1399 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,680 I've seen a lot of this view. 1400 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:15,720 In order to avoid being found, 1401 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,680 you need to look completely different to what people expect. 1402 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,400 So curly, black-haired Joachim shaved his head. 1403 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:26,800 Chubby Joachim became fit Joachim. 1404 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,520 I swapped glasses for contacts. 1405 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,520 I obviously never went home. 1406 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,240 That would have been idiotic. 1407 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,880 First, I stayed in Brazil. 1408 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,240 When the media found out about Brazil, I'd already moved back to Europe. 1409 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,080 While Joachim was on the run, 1410 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,200 there were all these media reports 1411 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,800 that he'd been spotted somewhere or another. 1412 01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,160 Police believe that a picture taken by a tourist in South Africa 1413 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,680 is the wanted Joachim Posener. 1414 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,800 They published this picture. 1415 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,280 Those of us who knew him said right away, "Jesus Christ, that's not him." 1416 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,600 If true, the seven-year manhunt may have some life again. 1417 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,360 "Have we finally found him?" 1418 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:14,760 "Is this the end of the manhunt?" 1419 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,000 HOW POSENER'S FOOLING THE POLICE 1420 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,320 Various facial composites were created. Oh, my God. 1421 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,400 There were probably 50 people who those could have been. 1422 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,200 Hold on, where did I put it? 1423 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,840 Is this it? 1424 01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:43,880 Okay, here it is. 1425 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,520 There's a lot in here. 1426 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:46,960 Check this out. 1427 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,520 Newspaper clippings. 1428 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,480 There's a ton of them. 1429 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,320 They used the worst picture they could find. 1430 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,200 I found that insulting, actually. 1431 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,320 This is a nicer picture. 1432 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,520 It doesn't embarrass me. 1433 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,360 Such bullshit. 1434 01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,080 Six months after the Trustor scandal, 1435 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,920 I had a one-year-old son and newborn twins. 1436 01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,800 I had no job, all my accounts were frozen, 1437 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,640 and nobody would touch me with a ten-foot pole. 1438 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,320 I had to sell the house. 1439 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,560 And we moved to a small rental apartment in Hägersten. 1440 01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:44,600 My life changed completely. 1441 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,560 I lost everything, except my family. 1442 01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,600 I wanted to take revenge on all those people who'd hurt me. 1443 01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,560 And the person I was most angry with was Björn Björnsson, 1444 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,640 because he threw me under the bus. 1445 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,600 Because of that, I wanted to end him. 1446 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,720 I drove around where he lives in Djursholm, past his house. 1447 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,640 He doesn't know about this. 1448 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,520 So I was driving around there in my car, and… 1449 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,000 This is so crazy. 1450 01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:23,800 At one point I could've written a book 1451 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,880 on 300 different ways of killing somebody 1452 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,200 without getting caught. 1453 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,240 Everything from buying a wood chipper and putting the corpse in, 1454 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,600 then spreading the remains at sea for the fish to eat. 1455 01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,200 You need to dispose of the body somehow. 1456 01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,640 There was no Google at the time, but you could still find out 1457 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,200 how to cremate stuff. 1458 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,160 It's done with high heat, of course. 1459 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:49,960 You can build it yourself. 1460 01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,800 I was going to rent a cabin in northern Sweden 1461 01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,000 and build one of those cremation furnaces 1462 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,120 where all traces are destroyed. 1463 01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,960 I sat here watching Björn Björnsson's house. 1464 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:08,960 I drove around 1465 01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,240 checking different escape routes in his area 1466 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,800 that would allow me to get away quickly. 1467 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,720 I thought I needed to turn myself in. 1468 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,960 I called psychiatric services in Nacka. 1469 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,880 I told them that I thought I needed to be committed, 1470 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,840 since I was considering… killing someone. 1471 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,040 You only have such violent thoughts when you're depressed. 1472 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,880 Do you still have those thoughts? 1473 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,040 Not at all. They're long gone. 1474 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,960 Shit, I didn't start crying. That's weird. 1475 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:46,840 Oh, dear. 1476 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,400 I thought I'd be crying the whole time. 1477 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:55,480 No. 1478 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,800 As long as… I'm talking and keep going, it's fine. 1479 01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:04,720 I can keep from crying. 1480 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,400 But actually… 1481 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,080 No, forget it. 1482 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:22,120 Hm. 1483 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,880 It's tragic to see how he's ended up. 1484 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,560 Even considering where he's from. 1485 01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:39,760 But he seems to be doing alright. 1486 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,000 He's driving a Porsche and has a nice house. 1487 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,040 He's doing well financially. 1488 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,080 STOCKHOLM DISTRICT COURT 2001 1489 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,760 Today saw the start of the trial of those involved in the looting of assets 1490 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,120 from Trustor. 1491 01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,520 Financial crime is hard to prove, 1492 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,640 and becomes even more complicated when committed abroad. 1493 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,360 In this case, the key figure was also missing, 1494 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:09,000 which meant that the legal proceedings were doomed to fail. 1495 01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,720 Lindsay Smallbone was not prosecuted and walked free. 1496 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,880 New Zealand has no extradition agreement with Sweden. 1497 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,840 Lord Moyne was prosecuted, 1498 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:24,160 but claimed that some of the signatures on the Trustor documents were not his. 1499 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,000 He also walked free. 1500 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,040 FRONTMAN WALKS FREE 1501 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,960 -Why were you important for them? -Name. 1502 01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:32,720 The name. 1503 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,200 I'm bankrupt. 1504 01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,600 It's as simple as that. 1505 01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,800 Peter Mattsson and Thomas Jisander 1506 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,640 were initially convicted by the district court. 1507 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,640 I was sentenced to five years in prison, 1508 01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,320 a nine-year ban on business activity 1509 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,680 and had to pay 100 million in damages. 1510 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,560 But they appealed the decision. 1511 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,960 This time round, we were better prepared. 1512 01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:00,920 FRESH START IN TRUSTOR CASE 1513 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,480 Since the key figure was missing, 1514 01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,560 it became convenient to blame him. 1515 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:07,600 "TRICKED BY POSENER" 1516 01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,080 During the trial, 1517 01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,880 they came up with absurd arguments for their innocence. 1518 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,160 THE PROSECUTED BLAME POSENER 1519 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,080 The prosecutor claimed to have found incriminating documents 1520 01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,880 on the computer found in my apartment. 1521 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,720 But who used that computer? 1522 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,880 We brought in a technical expert 1523 01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,640 who demonstrated to the court 1524 01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,800 how easy it would be to access a computer remotely. 1525 01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,880 We were able to prove that was a possibility. 1526 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,040 PROGRAM FOR DATA TRANSFER 1527 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:37,760 Then it was in the hands of the court, and evidently they believed it, as well. 1528 01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,720 Today they were acquitted by the court of appeal. 1529 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,760 There was not enough evidence 1530 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,840 against Thomas Jisander and Peter Mattsson. 1531 01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,760 It's been incredibly tough, 1532 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,960 but it's with great relief I can say that, luckily, there is justice in this world. 1533 01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:00,040 TRUSTOR SCANDAL VILLAINS WALK FREE 1534 01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,280 Posener was never convicted. 1535 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,400 He vanished. 1536 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,520 And we've not heard from, or seen… 1537 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:14,720 Fore! 1538 01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:15,840 Sorry. 1539 01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:19,200 He's gone up in smoke, so to speak. 1540 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,400 I left the police force. 1541 01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:25,680 I needed to try something different. 1542 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,240 I started working at a golf club. 1543 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:35,360 It obviously haunts me that we never caught Joachim Posener. 1544 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:37,160 What the… 1545 01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,040 It would give closure, an ending to it all. 1546 01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:43,840 That's how I feel. 1547 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,160 I find it strange that you can stay away for 30 years. 1548 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:52,640 Not seeing your family, 1549 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,080 and having to look over your shoulder. 1550 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,560 It must be like losing your identity. 1551 01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,040 Being in hiding means I've been able to live a life 1552 01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:11,520 on my own terms. 1553 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,960 Where I live, nobody calls me Joachim… 1554 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,240 Charlie, how are you, my friend? 1555 01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,200 How are you? Good to see you. 1556 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,360 See you soon. 1557 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,080 …despite the fact that I regained my passport 1558 01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,720 and my real name a long time ago. 1559 01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,000 What's your life like? 1560 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,640 I live kind of 1561 01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,520 a bohemian lifestyle. 1562 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:49,760 There. 1563 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,680 Not in my native country, 1564 01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,520 not even in my wife's native country. 1565 01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,960 One foot in society and one outside. 1566 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,200 Do I need to make a living? Absolutely. 1567 01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,800 I've worked with what I know best, 1568 01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,160 as a consultant and advisor. 1569 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,480 But in the shadows. 1570 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,240 What do you want people to know about you? 1571 01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,280 It was never about money. 1572 01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,120 It was about… the challenge. 1573 01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,840 The adrenaline you get from such deals is my drug. 1574 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,440 Yeah, it can be hard to stop once you've started. 1575 01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,400 Have you got a family? 1576 01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:42,200 Yes. A wife and two kids. 1577 01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,120 -Girls or boys? -Girls. 1578 01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,920 Do you get to see them? 1579 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,520 -I live with my youngest. -Okay. 1580 01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:52,160 And I've promised not to talk about my other daughter. 1581 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,120 How old are they? 1582 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,120 The youngest is 15 and the older one is 32. 1583 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:00,920 The same age as me. 1584 01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,040 Then I could be your daughter. 1585 01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,000 Yes, actually. 1586 01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,400 The biggest victim might be your daughter. 1587 01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,040 What are your thoughts? 1588 01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,800 It is extremely sad and tragic. 1589 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,280 But I wouldn't have… 1590 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,000 I would have gone insane spending ten more years in prison. 1591 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,520 I couldn't do it. 1592 01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,440 Given how things turned out… 1593 01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,240 You've lived in hiding and lost contact with your family and your daughter. 1594 01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,000 Was it worth it? 1595 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,280 That's a very complicated… 1596 01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,960 A simple, yet complicated question, because… 1597 01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,240 Had I not done the Trustor deal, 1598 01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,880 I would not have my current wife, 1599 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,440 or my child. 1600 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,880 Was it worth not spending another ten years in prison? 1601 01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,640 Absolutely. 1602 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,720 And what about the price that your family in Sweden had to pay? 1603 01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,440 It was worth it for me, but maybe not for them. 1604 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,000 On to the most absurd consequence of the whole affair, 1605 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,960 Trustor's shareholders profited big time. 1606 01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,280 In order to understand this, 1607 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,960 we need to look at Björn Björnsson's third and last role, 1608 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,720 as the liquidator tasked with winding down Trustor. 1609 01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,680 Our mission was to recover as much money as possible. 1610 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,560 Pay off all the debts, sell all the assets. 1611 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,720 Whatever was left went to the shareholders as dividends. 1612 01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,120 150 MIL INVESTED AT STOCK EXCHANGE 1613 01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:49,360 The liquidators found money in Team Moyne's accounts around the world. 1614 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:50,360 770 MIL BARCLAYS BANK 1615 01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:55,680 Thomas Jisander was ordered to pay back 65 million in a settlement. 1616 01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:57,320 BARCLAYS BANK SUED 1617 01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,880 The banks involved were sued for substantial amounts, 1618 01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,080 and Trustor's undervalued assets were sold. 1619 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,920 So despite the missing money, 1620 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,040 the value of the shares doubled after the scandal. 1621 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,080 THE TRUSTOR SCANDAL IS REVEALED 1622 01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:22,680 It's ironic that the shareholders got a good deal. 1623 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:31,200 Crimes had been committed, but the establishment lost out. 1624 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:36,320 The taxpayers paid the bill for work carried out by the authorities. 1625 01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,520 And everyone involved walked free. 1626 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,120 Well, nearly everyone. 1627 01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:43,960 As some say, 1628 01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:45,280 why follow the law 1629 01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,000 when you can treat it as a guideline? 1630 01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:54,880 I'm doing great now. 1631 01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:57,560 Just dandy. 1632 01:35:58,360 --> 01:35:59,760 I've got a good life. 1633 01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,400 I've worked hard. 1634 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,440 I've started businesses that have done really well. 1635 01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,000 I've sold businesses and made a fortune. 1636 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,600 I am now financially independent and can do whatever I want. 1637 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,320 Well, as I said, "Nobody remembers a coward." 1638 01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,880 Every krona that came out of Trustor, in one way or another, has been spent. 1639 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,400 It was completely impossible to predict 1640 01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:41,840 that I would earn as little from this transaction as I did. 1641 01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:59,480 After Trustor, I knew I had made my mark on the world. 1642 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,800 That was satisfying. 1643 01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:08,840 But what drove me to it is no longer in me. 1644 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,680 The freedom I sought through money 1645 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,640 has been replaced with another kind of freedom. 1646 01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,360 One where no one can control me. 1647 01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,320 And I choose where I want to be. 1648 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,680 And also choose when I vanish. 1649 01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:33,320 The crazy thing is that Thomas got in touch with me 1650 01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:34,720 during the trial. 1651 01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,160 And he asked me, 1652 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,600 "Can we do it again?" 1653 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,160 THOMAS JISANDER WAS SENTENCED YEARS LATER 1654 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:52,560 TO A SHORT PRISON TERM 1655 01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,760 FOR INCITEMENT TO GROSS EMBEZZLEMENT 1656 01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:57,920 "IT WAS A WONDERFUL 1657 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,080 SIX-MONTH SPA EXPERIENCE!" 1658 01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,560 THOMAS JISANDER 1659 01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,320 LORD MOYNE'S FAMILY INFORMED US 1660 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,680 THAT HE CAN'T TAKE PART DUE TO HEALTH REASONS 1661 01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,120 PETER MATTSSON, HOWEVER, HASN'T REPLIED 1662 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,000 LINDSAY SMALLBONE HAS PASSED AWAY 1663 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,840 NAPOLEON'S DESK HAS NOT BEEN FOUND 1664 01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,720 A FILM BY KARIN AF KLINTBERG 1665 01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,440 Just have a look at my fire. 1666 01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,440 Magical fire. 1667 01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,880 Several people have looked and said, "Oh, what a lovely fire." 1668 01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:57,960 Thinking it's a real fire.131432

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