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The early 2000s were marked
by the rise of a French rapper: DIAM'S
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Over 3 albums,
she became a social phenomenon.
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She sold millions of records.
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Hundreds of thousands
attended her concerts.
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But in 2010, at the height of her fame,
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Diam's made a life choice
that shocked France.
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She bowed out of public life.
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For the first time, she tells her story.
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By running in all directions,
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my life now had none.
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Run,
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keep running.
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But running after what?
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It seems we all run after happiness.
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But what is happiness really?
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Who is it?
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How is it? Where is it?
When is it?
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They said I'd find it in wealth.
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I had wealth.
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But happiness?
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I didn't find it.
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They said: "It's because
you don't have love, Melanie!"
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So I looked for people's love,
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and millions of them loved me.
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I loved them too.
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But happiness?
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It still wasn't there.
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So I continued.
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Running, looking.
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Always higher, always further,
always more dangerously.
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Even if it cost me my life.
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Exhausted,
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I even thought that it didn't exist
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and that it was better to die
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because
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I needed something else.
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But what?
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I didn't know.
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I had become my own greatest mystery.
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This amazing story raises many questions
about the place of women,
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especially Muslim women in our society.
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One of them is iconic
in many ways: Diam's,
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a rebellious singer
who had huge success
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before marrying and shunning fame
in favour of religious tradition.
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Diam's is amazing tonight!
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We might ask ourselves
why such a controversy,
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or why a controversy
of such magnitude.
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Is the former model for inner-city girls
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destroying her image?
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She hasn't changed.
Whether Muslim or not,
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we love her talent and her lyrics.
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Diam's isn't rap, Diam's is life.
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A blanket...
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Enough! Everyone in their pyjamas now!
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No!
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What's the horse doing in the house?
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Maryam, did you bring a horse
into the house?
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No, it wasn't me!
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Is he your pet?
Look, he's watching TV with you!
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Is that how you watch TV?
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I'm Dominique,
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and I'm Melanie's mum.
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That's it.
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Can you tell us
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what kind of a little girl
Melanie was?
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- What kind of...
- What she was like as a child.
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Funny,
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she had a lot of repartee.
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She was really funny.
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A strong personality.
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She knew what she wanted.
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But still quite easy...
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She was good company.
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I was glad to have a daughter like her.
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And as a teenager?
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That was a bit different,
more difficult.
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That's normal.
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She'd already fallen
into the rap cauldron,
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so it was a little more difficult.
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I first got to know Melanie
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before the explosion,
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before the glory if you like.
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I saw her move from the shadows
into the spotlight
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and become famous
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after the album Brut de femme, DJ,
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and then Dans ma bulle,
which was a huge success.
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I saw her become
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France's top celebrity,
especially among young people.
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I saw the whirlwind.
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Dans ma bulle
was a huge success,
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and she took me on tour with her,
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we sang Confessions Nocturnes together.
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I saw Melanie Diam's
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the boss, the producer, the writer,
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the self-taught woman
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and the leader: she led her team
and created her show from A to Z,
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built her performance, her album,
she drove people.
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When she entered a studio,
no-one would say:
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"Sing it like this, tell it like this."
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She had all that weight
on her shoulders.
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Her career was all about her ideas.
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It was a meticulous process.
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Every word, every gesture,
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every move on stage
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was incredibly, insanely precise,
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and I almost wanted to say
that even the emotion arrived
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at exactly the same minute.
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So...
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So that was the appearance.
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But then there was the return backstage,
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where it was often more difficult.
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Because too much love,
too many emotions,
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too much energy meant
that she often cracked up afterwards.
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How long is it
since you've been here, Melanie?
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12 years... nearly.
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11 years.
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But...
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right now I feel like I'm returning
to a country that I'd left.
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I mean...
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it's really strange.
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It's a place you know very well,
but to which you've never returned
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and that you watch from afar.
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I loved being on stage because
it was my relationship with people.
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When you're an artist
who sells a lot of records,
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they only tell you about numbers.
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They say: "You're number one,
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"you've sold 100,000,
200,000, 300,000,
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"it's incredible, you sold a million!"
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But when you go on stage, you think:
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"There are 10,000 people tonight,
10,000 tomorrow, 50,000 yesterday.
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"In Cameroon there are 100,000,
in Senegal 20,000."
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They're people,
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they're not records sold.
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With your name on it.
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They'd engraved my name
and put diamonds there.
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It's very kitsch because no-one saw it.
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I'd never seen it before.
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Can you see it or not?
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It sparkles in the light.
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- It's all old.
- Right.
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It's always been at my mother's
and I see it every time I come here.
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So these trophies,
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I found them wrapped up
in the basement.
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To keep the dust off.
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No...
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I didn't even know where they were.
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I knew you had the Victoires.
I'd given them to you.
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I knew you had my diamond disc,
but not the others.
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And there are plenty more
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that are in storage.
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I found out one day
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that everything she'd had in France,
she also had in Belgium, in Switzerland
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or in French-speaking countries,
they were everywhere.
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I had a lot.
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What's that one?
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The double gold disc for Brut de femme.
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It's funny because seeing them
here now,
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it's like the parallel
of my previous life.
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It's like an image, a thing.
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That's how it is.
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It's symbolic, in reality, but...
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They're not real diamonds.
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But it's as lovely as if they were.
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Melanie wasn't random.
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As I said,
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Melanie is 15 people.
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On her tour,
how she makes her album,
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how she writes and makes records,
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everything's thought out.
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It wasn't freestyle.
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Melanie's not freestyle.
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That's how I experienced it.
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She's a one-woman record company,
a label.
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She has an entire label in her head,
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so...
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it wasn't exactly restful.
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It says: "Poetry made up by Melanie
for Vincent."
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That's my uncle,
my mother's little brother.
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There's The Star, the first one,
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Sport...
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And IT.
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And IT.
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"IT is mighty..."
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It's crap!
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"It knows everything,
does everything, sees everything.
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"It's the hero of our story."
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There's no rhyme.
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"IT is nothing ordinary.
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"You might even think it's imaginary.
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"Melanie."
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- How old were you then?
- I don't know.
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I must've been in Year 2.
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Very young.
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You shared a lot of your pain
and experiences in your lyrics.
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Was writing an outlet for you?
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Ever since I was little,
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I was carrying a sadness
I couldn't explain,
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and the older I got,
the bigger it became,
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until my first suicide attempt at 14.
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Soon after that, I found in writing
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a kind of outlet, of release even.
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It was a place where I felt good,
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where I said everything
that was in my heart,
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all my pain and everything.
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And the fact that I fell into rap
at a very young age,
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it...
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it became a reason to live, so...
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I was writing,
people started to like my lyrics.
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I started to become
a so-called recognised author.
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It gave meaning to my life
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to see my lyrics resonate
in so many hearts.
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People kept telling me
that it made them feel good,
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that they identified with what I wrote.
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The problem
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is that people couldn't see
that when writing,
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I drew inspiration from suffering.
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I remember a discussion
we had during that period,
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where she said
that she could no longer write,
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and...
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the question of creation,
the fear of the blank page,
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we talked about all that.
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I remember that very well
because she said:
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"I need to feel bad to write."
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I remember it struck me,
because for me it's the opposite.
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I can't write a line
if I don't feel right.
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We talked about that and it seemed
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painful to me, I thought:
"It's sad to have to feel bad
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"and almost to put yourself
in a bad state
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"to be able to do something
that makes us feel good."
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So I was trying to understand,
we had a discussion about that.
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I saw her seek happiness
in this artist's life,
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and I always had the feeling that...
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she was stroking the surface of it
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and skimming over happiness
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without ever attaining it.
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And very quickly, I saw a facet
of Melanie that left me speechless
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because I've toured with her,
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and seen her go from euphoria
to moments of great sadness
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without really understanding why.
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I remember she left the stage
after an amazing concert,
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and I found her alone
in a dressing room, in tears.
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And I was there in front of her,
helpless.
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I asked her: "What's going on?
What's wrong?"
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She couldn't put into words
what was happening to her.
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Pretty soon,
she actually showed me her dark side.
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I discovered it one day,
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we were having lunch together
with other people,
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and she...
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rolled up her sleeves like that.
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And there...
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She did it on purpose to show...
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And I saw horrible things
on her arms, you see?
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Throughout lunch I didn't dare
say anything, because...
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But she wanted to show them to me.
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And later I said:
"Melanie, what is that?"
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She said: "I had a crisis yesterday
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"and I cut myself."
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"Why are you doing this?"
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She said: "I hurt myself
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"to exorcise my pain."
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And I realised that here was someone
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who had a lot of worries,
which I hadn't realised before.
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And it got worse and worse.
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She cut her face
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so that it was visible to all. You see?
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Basically, she had to show
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that her success was not all happiness
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and that on the inside,
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she was extremely unhappy.
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Having given my whole life to rap
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and my career,
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it took me to the top.
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The problem is that at the top,
it's cold, you're alone,
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there are a lot of wolves around you
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and in the end,
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you're unhappy.
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And the problem is that
existential questions were something
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I'd had since childhood.
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Can you tell me more about that?
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From a very young age,
I'd been fully aware of death.
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I was tortured by the idea
that my mother was going to die.
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It was like I couldn't accept it.
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I'd ask people:
"So we live and we'll die."
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And they said:
"Yeah, that's it, that's life."
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"That's how it is, that's life."
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I said: "But that can't be life."
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"That's not it."
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"Like: we live, we suffer, we die."
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"We work, we have children,
all for that."
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And...
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later, when I was famous,
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when I told people I was unhappy,
what did they say?
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"Yeah, you're rich, you're famous,
what are you complaining about?"
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And I always felt as if I were drowning.
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Like I was saying to people:
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"Help me, please."
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"Help!"
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And people, by their answer,
pushed my head underwater.
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And today, that's the advice
I always give to people.
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If your child or your friend is unhappy,
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at least tell them you understand.
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That you want to help,
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you're going to help,
you'll get through it together.
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We need that.
We need it at times like those.
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What were you most afraid of
for her as a friend?
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It's weird, it upsets me.
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I was worried about her
getting too lost.
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That's what I was worried about.
I felt like...
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Especially at those times,
you feel totally helpless.
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I wasn't up to the task.
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I felt like I was trying
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to bring her back somewhere else,
but the current was too strong.
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It was the psychiatrist
who called me saying:
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"We have to intern her."
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"She's at her wits' end.
We really have to intern her,
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"because there's a risk of disaster."
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"Apparently you're important to her,
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"and she asked me to call you."
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"OK, doctor, but what do I do?"
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So in January 2008, I was interned
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in a psychiatric clinic
in the suburbs of Paris.
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That was the start of the nightmare.
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A few months before, on stage
in front of 50,000 people at festivals,
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you're...
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You're Diam's!
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And you find yourself in a small room,
a small hospital room.
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Everything is taken from you:
your phone,
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they cut you off from the world,
you're not allowed many visitors.
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And they leave you alone in the room.
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You wonder: "OK, so when are you going
to come and help me?"
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And sometimes machines
are stuck to your head,
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trying to see how your brain is doing.
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They want you to talk.
It was important that I speak.
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Except that
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you quickly realise that talking
to a shrink for 20 minutes
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is not going to save you.
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And if even
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the brain specialists
couldn't do anything for me,
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I think that in my head,
I gave up a little
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and I remember that after the clinic,
I started hurting myself again.
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And when the nurses saw that,
they said: "No, that's it, stop."
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And so they turned me off.
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They turned me off,
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by which I mean
they gave me lots of pills.
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Lots of pills,
from morning to night.
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I fell into
what I call the hell of drugs.
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It's an infernal spiral.
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Why are you crying?
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Why are you crying?
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Because it was a very difficult period,
very...
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It was very hard because...
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the two times I went to see her,
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her behaviour changed,
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even in just one hour,
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when she went from laughing to crying,
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from hope...
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to sadness.
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And I had trouble recognising her,
even physically.
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Her eyes were empty,
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as if she didn't want to live anymore.
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I came out of the psychiatric hospital
with a diagnosis that I was bipolar.
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I had to take nine pills a day,
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and I'd be on medication
for the rest of my life.
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I actually hated seeing myself
like that so much,
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and realising that Diam's was over.
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I mean, I wasn't going to continue
making music being like that.
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I gave up everything and said:
"Well that's it, it's useless."
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And I attempted suicide.
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It was...
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"Here I am at the height of my glory,
and people think everything's fine."
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I looked happy, at any rate.
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There's no denying.
That's my little brother.
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You wonder how you can switch
to being so sad.
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When you see me like that,
I'm so happy, everything's fine.
377
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,160
You really think
the adult world is cruel.
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I think of my children, too.
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I see them, they're carefree,
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they're all cute, then...
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What's going to happen next?
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Only God knows.
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I hope it will go well for them.
384
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,080
It's not easy being a young person now.
It's not easy being a parent.
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It's not easy.
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With every passing day,
I sank further.
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Like the feeling
of getting bogged down
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and of falling endlessly.
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People were singing
and taking pictures of me.
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00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,440
The music was loud, so loud.
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It stifled the cry of my soul
which was screaming "Help".
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Everyone was dancing, singing.
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00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,280
The room was full, yet for me,
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everything was empty.
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Empty like this life I was leading.
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Meaningless, surrounded
by people hungry
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for money, girls, stupid debates.
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00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,480
I was empty but I was pretending,
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00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,400
pretending to be fine.
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00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,840
But I was losing my mind
more and more.
401
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,480
I took more and more pills.
402
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,120
I hurt myself more and more,
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00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,760
and then I thought about death
more and more but I said nothing.
404
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,800
I kept pretending.
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00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,480
Sometimes I wondered
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00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,360
how many of us were pretending?
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00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,520
They told me: "Melanie, that's life!"
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00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,240
"Rap or shut up!"
409
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,160
"Stop thinking, write and then forget!"
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00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,360
"Melanie, that's life!"
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00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,920
Yeah, but...
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00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,760
the pain, here in my heart,
what do I do with that?
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00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,560
And the madness in my head?
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00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,040
Am I crazy, or is everyone crazy?
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00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040
I was one of those
who had a heart, yeah.
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00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,160
And we were not the strong ones.
417
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,360
To be on the side of the winners,
you must rejoice in those who fail.
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00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,880
I was not like that.
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00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,800
I'd rather die than be like that.
420
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,480
Better to die than be like them.
421
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Dying is better.
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00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600
I was told:
"Raise your hands to the sky."
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"Ask."
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00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,120
So I prayed.
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00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,240
I prayed that everything would end,
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00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,000
that I could finally find peace.
427
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,760
Because in reality,
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00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,640
that's all I wanted.
429
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,200
I wanted peace.
430
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,520
From August on,
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00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,200
I saw someone,
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00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,080
a shrink who came to my house,
a psychiatrist I believe,
433
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320
who came to my house
once or twice a week
434
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,720
and who helped me
to reduce my medication.
435
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,920
And that's important
436
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,840
because I think that, unconsciously,
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00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,640
I became myself again.
438
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,520
The meds numbed me so much.
439
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,880
I was in a bad place,
440
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,800
I hung out with the wrong people,
did bad things, made bad choices,
441
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,320
so that all of a sudden...
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00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,040
I think that subconsciously,
having fewer drugs in my body,
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00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,040
maybe that's what made me want
to pass my driving test,
444
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,840
have fun with Charlotte,
do things that I no longer did.
445
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,880
I laughed a lot with Charlotte.
I really liked Charlotte because
446
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,200
she took me out of my world a bit,
because she had so many problems
447
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,280
that we didn't talk about me.
448
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,840
And it suited me
because I had nothing to say,
449
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,560
I was numb, my life was...
450
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,080
empty,
451
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,240
and Charlotte's stories...
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00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,320
were something else.
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00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,040
So it did me a lot of good
to be with Charlotte.
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00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,360
And so one day we had a visit
from her friend Soussou,
455
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,280
whom I knew well.
456
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800
She came often,
she was Charlotte's best friend.
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00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560
And then very...
458
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,360
really naturally while we were eating,
she said: "I'm going to pray."
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00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,480
And really,
it was crazy because it...
460
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:50,320
She said a word that I think
I really needed at that time.
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00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,920
It's like you want to get closer to God,
but you don't know how.
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00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,160
And the word "prayer",
at that point in my life, didn't exist.
463
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,600
It didn't exist.
The Muslims I knew only did Ramadan.
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00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,920
I never knew anyone who prayed.
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00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,400
And then she said: "I'm going to pray."
466
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,080
And I told her:
"I'd like to pray with you."
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00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,120
I remember it like it was yesterday.
468
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280
And yet,
I hadn't yet read the Holy Qurân.
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00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:23,520
And it was...
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00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,600
It was my place.
It was where I needed to be.
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00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,320
This was where I needed to be.
472
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,080
And I remember there was
only time for a short prayer,
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00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
because she was
going about her life afterwards.
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00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,040
But in that place,
with my forehead resting on the ground,
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00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,640
I wanted to relive it immediately.
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00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,080
It was like: "I need to learn to pray,
I need to pray."
477
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,120
I was baptised by my parents.
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00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,200
I did my communion alone.
I asked to be confirmed.
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00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,320
I went to catechism at school,
480
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,320
I took lessons, etc, but...
481
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,800
I didn't find clear answers
to my existential questions.
482
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Because it wasn't just
a spiritual quest, it was existential.
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00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,000
As I told you,
I see faith as this flame
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00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,240
that, as the years pass, goes out,
485
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
and a lot of people I meet
486
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,240
say: "When I was younger,
I was more religious than I am now."
487
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,160
At some point in the transition
to adult life, you lose yourself...
488
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Well, it's my career!
489
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400
- It ate up your life.
- I didn't have time.
490
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,200
I didn't have time
to think about all that.
491
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,960
And ten days later
we were due to go to Mauritius,
492
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,440
and I remember I thought:
493
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,480
"I kind of learned Christianity
and so on
494
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,080
"in the past, I'd taken classes,
495
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,040
"but I don't know anything
about the Muslim religion."
496
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,440
"I pray
497
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,600
"like Muslims, you bow down."
498
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,440
"I'm going to Mauritius
499
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,400
"and I'm going to find books
on religion, to learn about Islam."
500
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,040
And that's how I went to buy...
501
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,280
I went with my grandmother
in the north.
502
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,120
We always come back
to those who raised us.
503
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,840
And I went with her,
504
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,920
she was a Christian
and she let me buy the books.
505
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,800
And I said:
"What do you think I should get?"
506
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,600
And I got one on Ramadan,
507
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,320
a book about the pilgrimage,
which we'd talked about.
508
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600
- You had lots of books and...
- A book on faith.
509
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,240
And... Well, yeah...
510
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,160
The Qurân, but...
511
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,640
I only remember you
with the Qurân over there.
512
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Actually the Qurân,
513
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,680
it's strange to say it, but I took it,
514
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760
but I didn't think
it was the one I wanted to read.
515
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,360
I wanted to find out first.
516
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,640
We arrived in Mauritius,
we were so happy to be there.
517
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,960
We were Tic and Tac,
those were our nicknames.
518
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,400
- It was our holiday.
- Our dream holiday.
519
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,160
So the first few days,
I read about Ramadan, the pilgrimage.
520
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,520
I remember you were fascinated,
and you said: "I'd like to go."
521
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,600
And a book on faith.
522
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,600
And in each of those books,
523
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,880
there were verses from the Qurân.
524
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,200
- So I thought...
- Everything led back...
525
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360
I thought:
"I'm going to have to open the book
526
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,600
"that seems central
527
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,720
"to Muslims and read it,
what is this book?"
528
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Can you tell me about
the first time you opened the Qurân?
529
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,920
There was a little light, I remember.
530
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,440
There was a little light.
531
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,600
It was dark, the same skyline.
532
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,400
The stars,
533
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,080
the beach.
534
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,720
A boom-boom-boom over there,
there was a party going on.
535
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,080
I sat there, Charlotte...
536
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,800
"I'm here, I'm not here,"
537
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,640
doing her own thing.
538
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000
I went to sit down, I read.
539
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,840
I opened the book
540
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,920
without any knowledge,
without anything. I opened it.
541
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,280
And I read.
542
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,160
I started reading.
543
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400
"In the name of Allah, the Entirely
Merciful, the Especially Merciful."
544
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,240
"All praise is due to Allah,
Lord of the Worlds,
545
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,280
"the Entirely Merciful,
the Especially Merciful."
546
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
I read that, I found it very beautiful,
I continued.
547
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,040
But very naturally.
548
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,280
I continued.
549
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,360
I read.
550
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,800
And...
551
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,120
very early...
552
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,840
in the book,
553
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,760
I read
554
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,440
about Adam.
555
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200
I read about...
556
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Satan.
557
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600
I read about heaven.
558
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
I read about the children of Israel.
559
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,400
I read about Moses.
560
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,320
And...
561
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
I thought: "Wait."
562
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,040
There were words
that were familiar to me.
563
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Heaven was familiar.
564
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Mercy...
565
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,360
It spoke to me.
I think Christians often talked about it,
566
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,960
so it rang a bell.
567
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,960
But...
568
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,960
reading about Moses
and the children of Israel,
569
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,040
I didn't understand.
570
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,680
Judaism, Christianity and Islam,
571
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,320
these were the three religions
I heard about all the time,
572
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,440
and I don't know why, for me,
they were
573
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,920
in opposition, you see?
574
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,600
I didn't imagine for a moment
575
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,120
that the Muslims believed
in Jesus and in Moses.
576
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,960
I could never have believed that.
577
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,040
I wouldn't say
that I was obsessed with it,
578
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,160
but I think that naturally,
since my brain never stops,
579
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,760
at that moment,
I wanted to understand
580
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,840
why there are all these prophets.
581
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,760
As I kept reading...
582
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,600
And above all, I found it beautiful.
583
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Because I understood
that they are all united.
584
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,160
That in fact
585
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,480
they all delivered the same message.
586
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,560
You understand that very quickly
when you read it.
587
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,880
And then their lives are detailed.
588
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,920
And I enjoyed reading about them,
so that drew me in.
589
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,200
I thought it was beautiful.
590
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,800
All of a sudden, it's as if...
591
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,400
there's no-one else on Earth
592
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,240
who had a more beautiful story
than the one about Moses.
593
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,360
And so I think the first night
I read maybe not a hundred pages,
594
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,960
but quite a lot.
595
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,400
I came in, and I didn't realise it,
but it did me good.
596
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,960
The next evening,
597
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
I couldn't wait to go and read.
598
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,440
I wanted to continue,
I wanted to understand.
599
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,760
And so I did that
for two or three nights.
600
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
And read, I think,
601
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,240
almost a hundred pages a night.
602
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,000
And there were a lot of verses
that mentioned creation.
603
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,600
I say "verses" but back then I said:
"I read things about..."
604
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,640
And that's when,
605
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,840
for the first time in my life,
606
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,680
I started to contemplate
what was around me,
607
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,160
and no longer wondering
why it was there.
608
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,480
I was just observing, actually.
609
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,640
And I was there,
610
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,560
looking at the sky
611
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,800
and by the grace of Allah,
I was in Mauritius, can you imagine?
612
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,800
So everything I was reading about...
613
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,320
the sea was in front of me.
614
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,160
The heavens... I mean...
615
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,400
the stars, the planets, the Moon,
616
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,000
it was in front of me.
617
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,120
The mountains were just behind me.
618
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,520
The fish were there.
619
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,800
The boats were passing by.
620
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,280
It was a tsunami in my heart,
in my body, in my head.
621
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,080
It was inexplicable.
622
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,600
The last few nights,
I even slept there, on the lounger.
623
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,800
Why? Because I thought:
624
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,000
"If God really exists,
as I'm feeling it,
625
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,480
"everything will change."
626
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,920
And I remember waking up with a start,
627
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,560
looking at the Moon
628
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,800
and thinking:
629
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,400
"He's the creator of the Moon."
630
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,000
It's like someone
who marvels at a painting
631
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,960
and then marvels at its painter,
because...
632
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,880
Well, I suddenly marvelled
at creation,
633
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,320
and I marvelled at its creator.
634
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880
And so I thought: "I have to finish,
635
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,480
"and above all I have to admit
that it's doing me good
636
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,400
"and that I'm better for reading it."
637
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,040
I was finding the answers
to all my questions.
638
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:20,880
Suddenly I understood
that nothing exists by chance,
639
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,360
that there is a creator in everything.
640
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,960
I read that
641
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,960
to be a believer is to do good,
642
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,000
to be a good person,
643
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,880
to give alms, to help orphans,
644
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,680
to be good to your mother,
to your father.
645
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,680
It's being grateful, being patient,
having endurance.
646
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,960
It was only things that spoke to me.
I thought: "Yes,
647
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,520
"it must be wonderful to be pious."
648
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,960
And suddenly,
649
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,920
it was as if my life,
which had no meaning,
650
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,120
took on
651
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,360
an immense meaning.
652
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,240
I'll have so many things to do,
I who had nothing left to do.
653
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,640
I was going to have a lot to do.
654
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,320
And the first thing I was going to do
655
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,480
was convert to Islam.
656
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,240
And so I went out.
657
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,720
I remember, I went to the beach.
658
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880
It wasn't nighttime, it was light.
659
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,600
And I remember that very naively
660
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,160
or very normally,
661
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,720
I looked up to the sky
662
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,120
and I spoke to God.
663
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,000
And I said: "O Allah,
664
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,720
"there are no witnesses,
665
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,880
"but You are The Witness
666
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,680
"and I only need You in the end."
667
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,120
"And I will say the attestation of faith
and I will become a Muslim."
668
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,000
I looked naturally to the sky
and said...
669
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,480
And then I said it in French.
670
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,640
I said in French:
671
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,880
"I bear witness that there is nothing
worthy of being worshipped except Allah,
672
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,840
"and I bear witness that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah."
673
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,200
And I was very happy.
674
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,720
I was really happy.
675
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,520
I was really happy.
676
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
And I've never stopped being happy
677
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,920
since that day.
678
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,360
I've experienced hardships,
I've experienced things,
679
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,840
and life is not always easy.
680
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,600
But I was no longer alone.
681
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,160
And I remember that the very next day,
682
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,440
I actually wrote a plan.
683
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,040
I sat down and I wrote.
684
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,360
I wrote: "Call my mother,
685
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,000
"change number,
686
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,960
"notify my loved ones,
687
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,200
"write my last album."
688
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,040
It was very clear to me
that I had to leave that environment.
689
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,560
"No more talking to journalists
and the media,"
690
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:45,840
because I'd have been unable to explain
what had happened to me.
691
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,040
It was so crazy, so...
692
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,960
It had happened so suddenly.
693
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,320
"Open an association or foundation
that I'll call Big Up Project
694
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,560
"and which will help orphans."
695
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,480
I remember I wrote
that I wanted to read a lot.
696
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,400
I really wanted to learn more and more.
697
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,920
And travel a lot.
698
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,720
I wanted to see the world,
699
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,320
I wanted to contemplate creation.
700
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,760
And do only good.
701
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,080
I had written: "Do only good,
702
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,040
"good, good, good."
703
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,200
But above all,
704
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,680
I wanted to do all that
705
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,520
without ever saying publicly
706
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,960
that I had converted to Islam.
707
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,640
That was my secret.
708
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,760
And I was summoned.
709
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200
And she told me everything
at the same time.
710
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,360
And...
711
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,600
I was happy.
712
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,680
When you had a daughter who
almost killed herself multiple times,
713
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,320
who was tired of life
714
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,400
when she had everything:
she was pretty, rich,
715
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,440
she was successful,
she was adored, she was...
716
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,280
What more could you want?
And she was unhappy.
717
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:04,120
So if she had found a way
to achieve serenity, peace
718
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,840
and to feel good about herself,
so much the better.
719
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,960
The moment when Melanie
converted to Islam and called me,
720
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,480
on her return
from her stay in Mauritius,
721
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,360
I remember it very well.
722
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,800
And I cried on the phone.
I was really moved.
723
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,280
I was immediately overjoyed
because I thought...
724
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,840
she'd found the answers.
725
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,120
That was very clear.
726
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,400
When she told me on the phone
727
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,560
that she'd just converted,
she was really enthusiastic, really...
728
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,240
We met very soon,
729
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,280
the same day in fact,
730
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,840
and I suggested taking her
to see my mum.
731
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,640
I told my mum: "I'm overjoyed."
And my mother,
732
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,640
who loves Melanie, said:
"Bring her home, we'll welcome her."
733
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,480
So she came with me
to see my mother.
734
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,800
And my mother gave her some dates
and a glass of milk,
735
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,720
and said: "Welcome to Islam",
as if Islam was our little flat!
736
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,840
But it was a really friendly moment,
really warm.
737
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,640
We hugged her,
738
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,320
it was beautiful, very moving.
739
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,800
In this shock photo,
rapper Diam's is wearing a veil.
740
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,680
She's going to answer
by rapping...
741
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,480
A Paris-Match photographer...
742
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Diam's wearing a veil,
743
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:22,960
it's like a betrayal...
744
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,520
It's not voluntary
745
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,000
I don't understand her choice...
746
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,400
In a surprise development,
747
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
she was photographed
leaving a mosque.
748
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,360
It seems Diam's has converted
to Islam.
749
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,640
And then it all kicked off.
750
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,880
It was war.
751
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,600
That is to say that...
752
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,680
I think that I was called
by all the media
753
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,120
in France,
754
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,040
Belgium, Switzerland, Canada, Africa...
755
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,120
everywhere.
756
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,440
My phone never stopped.
757
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,520
"We want to talk to her,
what's going on?"
758
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,720
And I didn't answer!
759
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,080
It was terrible.
I said: "She has nothing to say to you!"
760
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:08,480
That's all.
761
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,640
Obviously we sued Paris-Match, because...
762
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,080
it was a stolen photo
and it was private,
763
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,320
she was coming out of a mosque.
764
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
"Stop calling me, she won't talk!"
765
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,680
- "But will you talk?"
- "No, I won't."
766
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,400
There was an explosion
767
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,720
in the community
and in the media, because...
768
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,840
there were some people for whom
769
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,840
it was a sign of madness.
770
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,920
Why does it suddenly...
771
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
become a sign of madness to have faith
772
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,640
and find peace in a place of worship?
773
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Because Melanie - in fact,
774
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,040
artists in general,
but Melanie in particular -
775
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,440
was a barometer of society.
776
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,920
She spoke about what
her generation were going through.
777
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,080
And so it raises questions in France.
778
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,920
Because...
779
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:12,760
I think...
780
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,840
with the veil,
781
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,360
she also represents a lot of people
782
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,640
who don't speak or are not seen.
783
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,680
So she continued
to be the barometer of society
784
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,880
and to ask France questions.
785
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,800
"If I wear the veil and I am a Muslim,
what happens?"
786
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,800
An incredible controversy.
787
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,400
She went
from France's favourite personality
788
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,080
to the most criticised artist.
789
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,480
It was very hard for me to see that
because she didn't deserve it.
790
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,200
And I think she had a lot of trouble
getting her head above water
791
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,720
and accepting the situation.
It was very hard.
792
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,240
I feel guilty.
793
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,520
But of what in the end?
794
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,720
Guilty of choosing life over death?
795
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440
Guilty of being alive, right?
796
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,120
What if I had picked up a gun?
797
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,840
If I had emptied the syringe?
798
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,600
Would I have become a hero?
799
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,000
I'm wondering.
800
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Who should I follow?
801
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,240
They love me when I tell them
that dying inspires me,
802
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000
I would have to die to write better.
803
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,720
But I prefer to live, too bad.
804
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Who are the heroes? Who?
805
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,920
Their idols dead from heroin?
806
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Or the pseudo leaders
807
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,960
who panic the algorithms
on the day of their suicide?
808
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,600
No, thanks!
I want the real, not the illusory!
809
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,400
I'm done with these false hopes,
these false victories!
810
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,840
The pit is black with people,
but the heart is also black.
811
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,120
What gossip.
812
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,720
What headlines, what big stories.
813
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,960
And then there's me in all of this.
And then there's you.
814
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,480
You do not recognise yourself
in any of this.
815
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,080
You who dream of being stable,
not of being a star.
816
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,960
You who dream of being wise,
817
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,400
but who are laughed at for being...
818
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,000
different.
819
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,760
Too bad.
820
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,600
If we never become heroes
821
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,200
while we're alive.
822
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,240
Too bad.
823
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,240
Different.
824
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,040
Different.
825
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,240
As long as we're alive.
826
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,680
We "like" each other
but do we really love each other?
827
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,360
We "like" each other
but do we really love each other?
828
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,400
How did it feel
seeing that photo in Paris-Match?
829
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,240
It was a shock because it was
a really private moment in my life.
830
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,080
It was like you're on a journey,
831
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:23,960
you're a work in progress
832
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,520
and these are things
you don't want to show.
833
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,720
You're unsure, you're groping.
834
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,120
"Am I ready to veil up or not?"
835
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,160
"Am I able to pray, am I not able?"
836
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,520
You're looking for yourself,
but people categorise you
837
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,320
and say: "She's veiled!"
838
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,280
You really have to experience it
to believe it.
839
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,080
People who smile at you
in the morning,
840
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,720
and in the evening they don't even
know if they should talk to you.
841
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,280
They no longer pick up the phone.
842
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,840
Brands, overnight, say:
"Yes, we're sorry,
843
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,440
"the partnership we were meant
to have may be..."
844
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,160
And you say:
"Is it because of Paris-Match?"
845
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,800
It's crazy that I could be accused of...
846
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,440
showing myself veiled
847
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,360
when it was they who stole that photo.
848
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,560
You understand? It's crazy because
I was being judged in the public arena.
849
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,800
I really felt
I was being thrown to the lions.
850
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,120
That's what happened.
It was very violent.
851
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,160
And so...
852
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,720
today, I think:
"Did you forget the story?"
853
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,960
That's why I'm happy
to be able to tell the story.
854
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,800
And what made me sad...
855
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:38,720
Because there's anger...
856
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,440
because someone stole something
from my private life, that's clear.
857
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,320
But that's manageable.
858
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,640
It doesn't matter
if you're a little upset.
859
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,960
But more than that,
860
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,520
it was really about
the people who loved me.
861
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,360
I knew they were going
862
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:03,320
to destroy the love that there was
between me and the public.
863
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,960
That's what really hurt me.
864
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,640
But at the same time, as I said...
865
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:21,920
it was necessary.
866
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,080
It was necessary,
because for the first time in my life,
867
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,840
I was able to accept that I was Muslim.
868
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Yes, I wanted to wear a veil.
869
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,920
I wanted to stop making music.
870
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,880
I was tired of it.
871
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,840
I wanted nothing more
to do with that scene.
872
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,000
I'm not judging who's in it,
but I wanted out.
873
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,320
And I think what hurt me the most
874
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
was seeing...
875
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,480
the gauges...
876
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,840
emptying a bit.
877
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,960
Because that's kind of what happened.
878
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,480
You sell fewer records,
879
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,120
so there are fewer people
at the concerts.
880
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
But there is a group that is there.
881
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,480
And those...
882
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,440
I will be forever grateful to them.
883
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,560
And I swear that I don't hate those
who no longer loved me at that time.
884
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,320
Many people write to me saying:
"I was angry with you for stopping."
885
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,840
"I thought you were a traitor,
you were indoctrinated."
886
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,960
People were very hard, you know?
887
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,560
But I don't blame them.
888
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,400
I even understand them.
889
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,520
I understand them
and I have forgiven everyone.
890
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,760
But...
891
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,200
it was very hard.
892
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,600
However, my faith soared.
893
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,200
After the scandal,
I really needed to leave.
894
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,000
I needed to get away from it all,
to travel, far away.
895
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,120
And I felt good.
896
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,840
I gazed at the expanse of the Earth
897
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,840
and thought again
of the narrow-mindedness of some.
898
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,320
To leave one world
is meeting other different ones
899
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,880
with different visions of life
that are enriching.
900
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,400
The world is wide,
but our hearts are wider.
901
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,360
And if at the start
I needed that immense spectacle,
902
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,480
those large expanses,
903
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,280
with the years I learned,
even in the city,
904
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,880
to raise my eyes to the sky,
to gaze at the Moon.
905
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,960
I knew it was time to put down the mic
and move towards this new life,
906
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,760
to build myself, enrich myself
with my loved ones.
907
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,120
Take time for them.
908
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,920
Go to meet the orphans.
909
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,960
Try to realise the dream of seeing
the Big Up Project grow.
910
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Even if I had to do it alone.
911
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,240
And even if I was aware
that it would not be easy
912
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,880
to turn my back on all those privileges,
913
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,320
on all that glory, on that money,
914
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,680
I felt that I was ready, and that
915
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,400
even for millions, I wouldn't have
given up on this peace that I'd found.
916
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,000
And since God was protecting me,
I wasn't afraid, no.
917
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,240
I was ready.
918
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,360
As Salam'Alaykum, Mum.
919
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,200
I love hyenas so much.
Hyenas are so beautiful.
920
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Some people don't like them,
but I like them.
921
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,680
My baby,
922
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,240
my daughter.
923
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,320
Love you!
924
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,160
I forgot to ask how you are.
925
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,560
When you're platinum, gold, diamond,
926
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:41,920
and have Victoires de la Musique
or whatever,
927
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,520
I don't know what the trophies
she won are,
928
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,400
it's powerful
929
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,160
to make that decision.
No-one does it.
930
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,200
It takes courage.
931
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,120
It's a choice that was, in my opinion,
very tricky for her,
932
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,600
very difficult to go through.
933
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,240
And the fact of choosing
to help her and her charity,
934
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,320
maybe at that time
she still had doubts.
935
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,200
Because it's easy to say: "I'm going
to quit", but to do so is difficult.
936
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,440
CHILDREN FIRST
937
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,240
Oh, look that's it, they did it!
938
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,120
I'm overwhelmed.
939
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,600
Thank God!
940
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,360
Thank God, thank God, thank God!
941
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,480
I have one finger for everyone.
942
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,800
You take a finger, you take a finger.
943
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,520
Take this one! You take this one.
944
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,640
Another take another.
You took two!
945
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,560
And another one. One more.
There's one finger left.
946
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,000
Who wants to take this one?
You?
947
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,160
Ah that's it, it's behind me!
948
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Look: that's it, good, five!
949
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,080
When I converted to Islam,
950
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,040
I discovered the importance of orphans
951
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,920
in the Holy Book,
952
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,240
and I realised
953
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,240
that I didn't know any orphans,
954
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,240
that I never really paid attention
955
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,440
to orphans,
956
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,360
and at that time in my life,
I really wanted to meet them.
957
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,440
So naturally,
958
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,520
I turned to the countries
that I already knew,
959
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,240
as I went there regularly for the music.
960
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,360
So I went to almost all the countries
961
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,320
where I'd done big concerts
962
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,760
to bring back the money
I'd taken from those concerts.
963
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,840
And, strange as it may seem to say it,
964
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,360
Mali was not a country
965
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,920
to which I'd come to sing,
966
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,320
but since it was next to Senegal
and that I'd always heard about it,
967
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,000
I thought: "Hey, let's go to Mali."
968
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,040
I landed among people of a certain age
969
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,720
who have become heroes in my eyes.
970
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840
When you're with a lady like Fatoumata
971
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,920
or other people I've met,
you're a little ashamed
972
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,000
to be known for what you do.
973
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,720
You think:
"What am I doing to be known?"
974
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,240
I hold a microphone,
I sing, I write lyrics,
975
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,720
while they are unknown, but what they do
976
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,840
is so much more honourable!
977
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,920
You start putting things
into perspective.
978
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,800
This is for Auntie.
979
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,560
It's for Auntie.
980
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,600
Yes, it's for you!
Oh, yes!
981
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,400
Thank you, thank you!
982
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,360
I didn't serve you first, I'm sorry.
983
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,400
No, no. The children come first.
984
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,520
That's enough for me.
985
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,080
- Who's kindest to the donkey?
- The goat!
986
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,560
The goat's there!
987
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,840
That's the goat.
988
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,640
The goat's there.
The hens are there.
989
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,160
The cat's there.
990
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,880
And who's kindest to the hens?
991
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,400
If you're nice to the donkey
and the goat, you can have two!
992
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:13,800
I'm grown up now.
993
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,760
Even after a hundred years,
I'll still recognise you.
994
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,280
I was young before!
995
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,800
- You were very young.
- Yes.
996
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,200
You're taller than me.
997
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,360
I'm old. Your life is starting.
998
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Watermelon, look!
999
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,880
I'm so happy.
1000
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,840
Seeing everything that has been done.
It's amazing.
1001
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,240
There was nothing before.
Nothing at all.
1002
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,840
Fatoumata used to say:
"Here we'll do this!
1003
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,320
"There we'll do that."
1004
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,960
And I was like:
1005
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,360
"OK."
1006
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,720
Now look at this huge orphanage.
A lovely house.
1007
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,160
You have a lovely house.
How many bedrooms is it?
1008
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,560
Too many.
1009
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,920
That's great! A lot.
1010
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,880
And you don't get lost?
1011
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,040
Too many is better.
In Kalaban Coura, was it?
1012
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,240
Yes.
1013
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,200
In Kalaban Coura there was one room.
1014
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,120
For all of you.
1015
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,600
- Everyone in one room.
- Yes.
1016
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,640
And now you say
there are too many rooms!
1017
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,320
Too big.
1018
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,200
Hold on!
1019
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,080
For me, meeting an orphan,
1020
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,160
I'm honoured to meet them, I think,
1021
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,240
"What an amazing story yours is."
1022
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,920
"What an amazing story yours is."
1023
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,600
I find it very moving.
1024
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,120
Even if I'm on the other side
of the world, I'll think of you.
1025
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,440
I will always try
1026
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,360
to look after the orphanage
and try to find people.
1027
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,680
In sha Allah, we'll do lots of things.
1028
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:24,720
Tell Fatoumata to ask me
if there are things the orphanage needs.
1029
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,320
Can you go into town for things?
1030
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,600
You can?
1031
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,360
When you're older, if you travel,
1032
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,440
you can come and see me.
1033
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,040
Shall we see the school?
1034
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,720
Is it far?
1035
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,600
It's nearby?
We can take the moped.
1036
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,640
I'll come with you on the moped.
1037
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,800
Yeah. Let's go.
1038
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,720
Come on.
1039
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,520
This infant,
1040
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:17,840
who was abandoned,
1041
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,160
needs to be looked after
until they're 18.
1042
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,160
Sometimes longer,
if they don't want to leave the nest.
1043
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,240
That's 18 years,
1044
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,600
365 days
when they need to eat, be dressed,
1045
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,120
sleep properly,
1046
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,880
go to school,
1047
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,160
be looked after, cared for,
1048
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,960
and blossom.
1049
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,040
You can't just turn up once
and fix the problem! No!
1050
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,360
One word I've learned
from my contact with orphanages
1051
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,800
is the word "durability".
It's not a word I knew before
1052
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,200
visiting certain countries.
1053
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,440
I thought you came once,
gave some money
1054
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,800
and sorted the problem.
1055
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,440
It's not like that.
1056
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,120
We've been working
with Fatoumata for 10 years,
1057
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,120
hand in hand, trying to make sure
1058
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,920
they have what they need
to run the orphanage every month.
1059
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,760
As Salam'Alaykum.
1060
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,080
Al Hamdoulillah.
1061
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,880
We'd like to buy some bikes.
1062
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,600
- This one's for a four-year-old.
- Is it new?
1063
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,480
That's great.
1064
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,400
It's difficult
when you ask for donations,
1065
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:04,040
when you explain what it means
to support an orphanage.
1066
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,480
People think that
building a football pitch,
1067
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,200
or buying bicycles
1068
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,800
doesn't constitute a necessity.
1069
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,800
They won't give money for that.
1070
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:22,280
But you soon realise
that making children blossom,
1071
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,800
their... how shall I put it...
1072
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,680
That's what brings children joy.
1073
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,920
We consider it essential
that our own children
1074
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,520
do sport and activities,
1075
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,840
but don't see it as necessary
for orphanages.
1076
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,040
For me, that's...
1077
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:48,120
If people won't support Big Up,
I'll finance it myself.
1078
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,200
I think we're going wrong
by only thinking big.
1079
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,040
And dismissing the small,
1080
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,640
small actions.
1081
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,480
You might not achieve your dream
1082
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,600
of opening an orphanage
and looking after 50 children.
1083
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,560
You didn't have the courage,
1084
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,440
or maybe you had children
and couldn't do it.
1085
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,960
That dream isn't achievable.
1086
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,160
But there are others,
which are smaller.
1087
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,680
And I think
1088
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,360
what maybe saved me when I came here,
1089
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,440
what made me continue,
1090
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,840
was that I understood
1091
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,680
that even a little was good.
1092
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,000
Even a little. I was caught unawares
1093
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,000
when I saw the reality on the ground.
1094
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,480
I thought: "I don't have the money,
I can't build a hospital."
1095
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,360
"I can't, I can't."
1096
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,640
I can't, so I don't do anything?
1097
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,440
I can dig a well.
1098
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,680
I can bring, I don't know,
1099
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,560
someone who can be a link
between here and me in France,
1100
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,760
and tell them to visit Fatoumata
1101
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,920
and see if she needs anything.
1102
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,280
You can do that.
1103
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,280
We were able to do more, Al Hamdoulillah,
1104
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,520
but that's what I said to myself.
1105
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,640
It might not be a large NGO,
1106
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,840
but it will be great, In Sha Allah.
1107
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,640
Aziz!
1108
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,680
You've got a tricycle?
1109
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,920
Al Hamdoulillah.
1110
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,200
It's brand-new.
I have the documents.
1111
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:02,600
He's happy.
1112
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,280
One huge lesson I've learnt
from meeting orphans
1113
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,680
is that I'd look at them and think,
1114
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,720
"They've never had a mum,
1115
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,640
"they've never had a dad
who loved them, looked after them."
1116
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,840
And I suddenly realised
1117
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,120
that having a father and mother
was an honour.
1118
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,040
I had a father
1119
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,480
whom I didn't see,
with whom I'd fallen out,
1120
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,360
over nothing really.
1121
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,600
I really wanted
to get in touch with my father.
1122
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,760
To start with a clean slate
and move on.
1123
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,640
To live in the moment.
1124
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,160
Blaming him for the past
meant not enjoying the present.
1125
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,720
Meeting my father again
was a great moment in my life.
1126
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,680
Seeing him with my children,
he's a wonderful grandfather
1127
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,520
and a great father.
1128
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,560
I'm lucky to have him.
1129
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,440
When you took the pushchair,
you took Maryam.
1130
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,120
Then you took to the road.
You went to see the horses.
1131
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,360
Yes, all the time.
1132
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,400
- Do you remember?
- Every morning...
1133
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,520
Every morning, I was out
1134
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,560
with Maryam for two hours.
1135
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,040
Then you went
to see the Smurfs' houses.
1136
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,040
Oh, yes. And the forest.
1137
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,680
We liked going to the forest.
1138
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,200
And you told her stories.
1139
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:37,640
Yes.
1140
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,520
It was an adventure.
1141
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,240
Like Robin Hood.
1142
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,960
Happy memories.
1143
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,040
You want me to speak French?
1144
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,720
Because it makes you laugh.
1145
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,120
It makes me laugh
when you talk in French.
1146
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,400
It's very cute, you know.
1147
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,520
You speak French very well.
1148
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:15,280
Really?
1149
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:16,200
Yes.
1150
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,560
You're the only one who says that.
1151
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,040
It's only Maryam who says
Papou can't speak French.
1152
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,640
I know.
1153
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,800
Because you tell Maryam:
1154
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,640
"Everything misses me."
1155
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,600
Yes!
1156
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:38,880
She says
1157
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,320
I speak Anglo-French and Greek.
1158
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,760
"Anglo-French-Greek".
1159
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,200
I hope we'll see each other this summer
1160
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,040
and we'll spend a lot of time together.
1161
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:58,240
Like last summer, it was nice.
1162
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,080
Yes, we had a very good time.
1163
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:01,920
Beautiful.
1164
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,240
In Morocco.
1165
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:04,760
Yes.
1166
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,920
The house was very, very nice.
1167
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,760
The people in Morocco were so nice.
1168
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,720
Yes, so nice.
1169
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,680
My name is Melanie Mary.
1170
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,040
My mother is called Dominique Mary.
1171
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,160
It's her first name.
1172
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,160
And I... my daughter...
1173
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,720
I wanted to call her Maryam, Mary.
1174
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,720
One day, we lived in the country,
1175
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,200
I lived in the country, near Paris.
1176
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,320
It was funny because
my daughter loves horses.
1177
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,680
We were in our street,
there were...
1178
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,760
There was an equestrian centre,
lots of horses.
1179
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:46,080
A lady who was riding came to say hello.
I was in the car.
1180
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,320
My daughter was excited
to see this lady on horseback.
1181
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:52,400
She said:
"What's your daughter's name?"
1182
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,160
I said: "Her name is Maryam."
1183
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,760
And Maryam said:
"You can call me Mary."
1184
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:04,360
The lady said: "Aren't you Muslim?"
I was wearing the veil.
1185
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,200
I said: "Yes, we're Muslim.
But we believe in Mary."
1186
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,360
"We believe Mary
is the mother of Jesus."
1187
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,480
She said: "Really?"
1188
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,960
She was so surprised.
1189
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,680
It was really funny.
1190
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,880
I thought:
"We don't know each other."
1191
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,040
We know nothing about each other.
1192
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,080
You have to behave at the park,
1193
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,920
OK?
1194
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:31,920
Abraham, Maryam, OK?
1195
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,920
Listen to mum.
1196
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,680
Who will be first into the park
on their scooter?
1197
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,960
Luqman, listen to dad.
1198
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,520
Come on.
1199
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,480
Out we get.
1200
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:55,600
Careful.
1201
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:00,920
I'm very proud of you.
1202
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,240
Everything you did,
1203
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,200
you did it on your own.
1204
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,920
Nobody helped you.
1205
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,760
You have three beautiful children
1206
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,160
that I love very much.
1207
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:17,880
Faouzi is a very nice husband.
1208
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,280
I'm very happy for you.
1209
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:20,800
Thank you, daddy.
1210
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,960
I'd like to say that
1211
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,480
when we knew...
1212
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,160
She's my friend,
I've seen her go from dark to peace,
1213
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,800
darkness to light.
1214
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,200
When you love someone
you want them to be happy,
1215
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:44,320
and I just wanted to understand
what happened to her,
1216
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,240
and hoped it would happen to me.
1217
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:58,640
The truth is
all that was just a mirage.
1218
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,480
It was the big tragedy of my life.
1219
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,960
I wrote because I was unhappy.
1220
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,680
I thought that writing about my pain,
and singing about it,
1221
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,400
I'd get help, that I'd be understood.
1222
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:18,000
But I was singing to people
who were as damaged as I was.
1223
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,120
We were all suffering the same pain.
1224
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,880
When I got to the end of my quest,
1225
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,640
it wasn't that I had nothing to say
1226
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,440
but I needed
1227
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,400
to rebuild myself.
1228
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,160
I needed to...
1229
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:40,320
If music had been the answer,
I'd have continued.
1230
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,880
But it was as if...
1231
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,120
There's a saying I like. People say
1232
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,440
that you need to turn the page.
1233
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,280
Well, I closed the book
1234
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,000
and wrote a new book.
1235
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,520
A new book about something else.
1236
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,800
I hope that
1237
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,920
this film does some good.
1238
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,200
That's why it's called Salam.
1239
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,000
What does salam mean, Melanie?
1240
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,040
Salam means peace in Arabic.
1241
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,920
That's what I found,
1242
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,560
and what I try to spread.
1243
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,040
Peace.
1244
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,480
In memory of Fatoumata,
who passed a few days after filming
1245
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,840
May the Most High have mercy on her.
1246
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:52,760
Look.
1247
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,520
Look, children.
1248
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,080
Mum's with the dolphins.
1249
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,560
Look! Look!
There's loads of them.
1250
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,200
I so wish you were here.
1251
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,280
We'll come back.
1252
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,320
You put the camera on me
and then say I talk too much!
1253
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:50,160
I'm going to go off for ten years
and I won't talk anymore.
1254
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,680
ORPHANS' GARDEN
Melanie Diam's, the light
1255
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,400
It's Diam's, but they wrote James!
1256
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,600
But I don't care.
1257
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,160
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