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- The San Francisco police
are asking for help tonight
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in their search
for a man who placed
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a newspaper advertisement
to sell his 1980 Honda.
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The car hasn't been seen
since then,
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nor has the owner, Paul Cosner.
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- Paul Cosner disappeared
seven months ago
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without a trace, a case that
attracted nationwide attention
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because it was so baffling.
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- Paul's sister Sharon
says the last time
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she spoke to her brother,
he was going out
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to sell that car.
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- Now the first break
in the case.
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San Francisco police say
they found Cosner's car.
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- Tonight police are saying
the man they found
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with Cosner's car
is Leonard Lake.
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- Police encountered Lake
at a South San Francisco
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lumber company after
his companion, Charles Ng,
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allegedly tried
to steal a vise.
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- Lake killed himself
earlier this week
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by swallowing a cyanide pill
while he was
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being questioned by police.
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But the evidence
he left behind
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reveals a horrifying tale
of murder
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and possibly torture.
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- It is probably
the most gruesome,
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violent investigation
in the history of our state.
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- Tonight police are searching
for Charles Ng,
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who was a friend of Lake's.
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- Charles Ng, now the object
of a nationwide manhunt,
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has vowed not
to be taken alive.
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- As a documentary filmmaker,
I discovered the story
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of a woman by the name
of Sharon Sellitto,
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whose brother Paul Cosner
went missing
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and was possibly murdered
in 1984,
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after placing an ad
for his car
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in the
"San Francisco Chronicle."
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Sharon had no idea
she was going
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to spend the rest of her life
trying to find him.
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- It's unbelievable
that somebody lost
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their life because of this.
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I know that's where Paul
took his last breaths.
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I can't imagine the terror
he felt.
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Paul was my life.
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And he stopped breathing,
and Charles Ng is.
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You, Charles Ng,
you deserve to die.
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- At this point
in the investigation,
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Charles Ng was a suspect
in at least nine murders.
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But we didn't know at
that point where he was.
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Later, Lake's ex-wife,
Claralyn Balazs,
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told us that she believed
Charles Ng was
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going to Chicago,
and then later into Canada.
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We were concerned that
if Charles were able
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to get outof the country,
it would certainly
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be much more difficult to
find him and extradite him.
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- It was an all-out manhunt
for Charles Ng.
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He was immediately placed on
the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.
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- This was a very
well-publicized hunt
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for Charles Ng.
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- Charles Ng is being hunted
all over the country tonight.
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- Ng is a former marine
who was
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dishonorably discharged
for stealing weapons
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from a Marine Corps armory
in Hawaii.
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Men who served with him say
Ng, a martial arts expert,
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was a strange man who often
talked of killing people.
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- He was a little
off-center at times.
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Um, his main interest was
just how to dispose of people.
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- It's not every day that
you pick up the paper
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and find out that
one of your neighbors
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is probably the most wanted man
in the United States right now.
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- The investigation
is now focusing
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on Charles Ng,
who is still at large.
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- Officials consider
him dangerous.
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He has a military background
in weapons and explosives,
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and police say he's vowed
that he won't be taken alive.
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- And after days of searching
for Charles Ng,
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authorities finally
got their first lead.
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A man fitting Ng's description
had reportedly been spotted
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at San Francisco Airport.
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- Police learned that
on June 2,
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Ng had hopped a flight
to Chicago.
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- We had found out
through the FBI
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that he stayed
for about a week or so
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in the Chicago area,
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with people that he had met
and known from prison.
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They helped him leave
the Chicago area
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and go into Canada.
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Once he got there,
not quite sure where he went.
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- Charles Ng proved
to be an elusive fugitive,
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always remaining one step
ahead of authorities.
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Then there was a huge break
in the case.
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- Finally, after 34 days
on the run,
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Charles Ng is spotted
in Canada.
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- Charles Ng goes
to a department store
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in Calgary, Alberta,
where he shoplifts
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a can of smoked salmon.
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And he's observed
by two security guards
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leaving the store
with the smoked salmon.
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They catch Ng.
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A struggle ensues.
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- I lunged into him
with my shoulder,
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and I tripped him
up with my foot,
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and we all fell to the floor.
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He was pulling the gun out
by that time.
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And so I grabbed
ahold of the gun.
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And he shot off one shot.
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- He pulls a gun and shoots
the security officer
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in the hand.
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A couple of Calgary
police officers were outside.
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They heard the shot
and the commotion going on.
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They come in and help
wrestle Ng to the ground,
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and arrest him.
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When I found out that they
had him in custody
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in Calgary, Canada,
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I immediately told the FBI,
we need to book a flight.
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- Ng is the last hope
police have in finding out
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what went on
at the Lake property.
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- Although he has not yet
been charged with murder,
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a Canadian attorney
has advised him
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not to answer any questions
about the videotapes that
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reportedly show him and
Leonard Lake threatening women,
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or the sex torture chamber
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at Lake's remote hideaway
in Wilseyville.
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- I was home
when I got the call
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from the San Francisco
Police Department.
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They said, sit down, Sharon.
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You're not going to believe it.
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They've caught him in Canada.
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And I was like, what?
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What? How?
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I was so happy, because
I thought that it
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was the beginning of the end.
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If nothing else, we wanted my
brother's body back so badly.
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I thought I was going to
be able to bring Paul home.
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- With Charles Ng
now in custody,
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investigators were
hopeful that they would
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finally get some answers.
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Their goal was to get Ng
back into the United States
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so that they could
get justice.
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Not only for Paul Cosner,
but for the rest
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of the victims
and their families.
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- Charles Ng was arrested
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at a Calgary department store
yesterday,
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when he shot a security guard
in the hand.
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The guard had stopped him
on suspicion of shoplifting.
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FBI agents and investigators
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from the San Francisco
Police Department
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and the Calaveras County
Sheriff's Office
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arrived in Calgary today.
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- When we arrived in Canada,
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we were met by
a large entourage of press
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filming us as we were
going through the airport.
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- Their first order
of business,
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to interview Charles Ng.
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- We definitely wanted
to find out
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who some of these
other people were,
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some of the other victims,
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who were some
of the other bodies that
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were buried on the property.
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So we had a lot of questions
for Charles Ng.
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- What investigators did know
was that Charles Ng
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came from a wealthy family
in Hong Kong,
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and was expelled from several
schools for petty theft.
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- He finally gets transferred
out by his parents
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to his aunt in San Francisco.
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His thing is not
to be in school.
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So he volunteered
for the Marines.
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- But his compulsion
for thievery
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eventually got him kicked out
of the military
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and sent to prison.
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After his release, Charles Ng
became an unstable drifter,
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eventually meeting
Leonard Lake
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and descending further
into darkness.
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- When Ng was arrested
up in Canada,
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we were hoping
to get him to talk.
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And we just tried to engage him
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in a little bit
of conversation.
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He would not even respond
to simple inquiries.
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He absolutely shut down.
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- During this time when
Charles Ng was in custody,
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we were hoping
for a quick extradition
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back to the United States.
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That didn't happen.
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- Charles Ng had just
been arrested in Calgary
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for shoplifting
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and shooting a security guard
in the hand.
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So he was likely going
to need to serve time
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up there in Canada
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before they could even
talk extradition.
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- As for when Ng might be
returned to the United States,
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that is anybody's guess.
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- When we found out
that he was going
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to be tried in Canada
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for shooting the store guard
in the hand,
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I was disappointed
'cause I thought that,
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compared
to mass serial killing,
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that they should have just
put that aside.
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But I was afraid
they were going
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to send them back to China,
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and we'd never get any justice.
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- Meanwhile,
back in Wilseyville,
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the investigation
at Claralyn Balazs' cabin
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had already turned up
at least three bodies,
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and burn piles containing
the remains
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of an unknown number
of additional victims.
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- It just keeps compiling
and compiling.
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This has become a massive,
monstrous investigation.
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- Investigators have filled
over 50 bags
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with evidence
and bone fragments.
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We can tell you that
today they brought out
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more bags of human remains,
more bags of evidence,
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to add to the 50 or so bags
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that have already been
brought out.
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- All we had time to do was
just to dig up the bones,
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put them in bags,
and ship them to the coroner
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of San Francisco County.
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With the amount of bones
that we had recovered
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from the property,
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there could be between
23 and 32 people.
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- Despite the overwhelming
amount of human remains,
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the medical examiner
just couldn't determine
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who any of these victims
might have been.
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At the time, DNA testing
just simply wasn't
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advanced enough
to be of any benefit.
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- I would like to know which
pile of incinerated bones
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is my brother, so I can take
what there is back to Ohio.
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- While Sharon Sellitto and
the other victims' families
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waited patiently for answers,
back in Canada,
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authorities pressed
ahead with their own case
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against Charles Ng.
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- Charles Ng will be
in court tomorrow,
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where the charges will
be read against him.
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He is charged
with attempted murder
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and possession
of an illegal weapon.
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- Charles is convicted
of shooting the security guard,
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and ends up sentenced
to 4 1/2 years
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in prison in Canada.
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For the U.S. investigators
and the U.S. families,
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it was a tough time.
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He had 4 1/2 years' sentence
in prison
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before they could
even consider
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sending him back
to the United States.
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- But the reality is,
one of the major benefits
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of the delay was that
during that four-year period
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of incarceration that
he was in Canada,
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it gave us an opportunity
to start
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getting the case together.
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Looking into the motives
behind the murders,
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the financial motives,
the sexual motives,
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plus the material goods
that they had with them.
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Very complex.
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A lot of different moving parts
that had to be examined.
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- One of the greatest
lingering mysteries revolved
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around the photographs
of 21 women
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found inside the bunker
on the property in Wilseyville.
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- We certainly questioned
whether or not
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any of those women were
possibly murdered
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by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
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- For authorities,
it did provide an opportunity
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to question Leonard Lake's
ex-wife, Claralyn Balazs,
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about these mysterious women.
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- And Claralyn admitted to us
that Leonard Lake was
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into photography,
and that Leonard liked to take
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pictures of these young girls.
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She said,
I just thought he was living
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this very active fantasy life.
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She played along with it,
not really believing
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that he was intending
to commit
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all these crimes
and abduct women.
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- After we interviewed
Claralyn Balazs,
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she hired an attorney
from Los Angeles.
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And that was the end of any
more interviews with Claralyn.
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- I have cooperated
with the police
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to the best of my ability.
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I wish to express my concern
for the people affected
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by this investigation.
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On the advice
of my attorneys,
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I will make no further
statements at this time.
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- Despite the fact that
Claralyn's property was
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clearly a crime scene,
police could not prove
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that she had any involvement
in the horrors
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that occurred there.
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So no charges were ever filed,
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and she simply walked away.
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- At that point in time,
we needed
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to find out
who these ladies were.
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We ended up deciding
the best way to do this
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is to go to the press
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and show the photos of all
the ladies through the media.
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We ended up identifying
every one of those ladies,
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and I'm glad to say that
all of them were safe.
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But they all had stories,
because they had been
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photographed by Leonard Lake.
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- He just had me modeling guns,
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a lot of machine guns
and wartime guns.
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And there was modeling
without the guns.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- That's about it.
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He just was interested
in taking pictures.
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- Finally,
we had some good news
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coming out of Wilseyville.
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But back in Canada,
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Ng continued to maintain
his silence.
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- At this point,
Ng had not confessed
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to participating in any
of the atrocities that
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had occurred in Wilseyville.
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And then someone comes
forward with information
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that blows the case wide open.
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- Charles Ng was
in prison in Canada,
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serving his sentence up there.
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Another prisoner is put
in a cell beside him.
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That prisoner
is Maurice Laberge.
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Maurice is a career criminal
from Saskatchewan.
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He ends up befriending Charles
in the cell next to him.
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As Charles got more
comfortable with him,
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Charles is now bragging
about his killings
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by sending pieces of paper
with sketches and drawings
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into the other cell.
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- I have here some
of the sketches that
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Charles Ng had drawn
for Maurice Laberge.
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The majority of Ng's
sketches had titles,
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and I have one here
which is called,
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"Calaveras County
Remains Claiming Section."
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The coroner, Boyd Stevens,
is giving back
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remains to family members.
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Deborah Dubs' father is
collecting the Dubs remains.
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And a family member
is walking out
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with a bag that has the
name Allen written on it,
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assuming this
is Kathleen Allen
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from the "M-Ladies" tapes.
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On the table is a bag
of human remains
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belonging to Lake's
next-door neighbors,
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the Bond family--
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Lonnie Bond, Brenda O'Connor,
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and their infant son,
Lonnie Bond Jr.,
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who were all murdered.
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Here's another sketch
which Ng has titled,
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"San Quentin, Years Later,"
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in which he depicts himself
on a bed in a jail cell
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in San Quentin Prison.
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To his left, scribblings
of his catchphrases,
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"No gun, no fun,"
and "No kill, no thrill."
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And to his right
is almost a trophy wall
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where he is depicting
all of his victims.
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And on that wall
is Paul Cosner.
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Maurice Laberge had recognized
Ng's confessions
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as his ticket
to an early parole.
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Through his attorney,
he had struck a deal
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00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,216
with investigators
to become an informant.
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Over the course of
the next year and a half,
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Maurice had encouraged
Charles Ng to divulge
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more information
about his crimes.
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- Every time Charles would
talk to Maurice,
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Maurice would make notes.
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"I killed Kathleen Allen.
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A round in the head
of the no-good whore."
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00:18:30,848 --> 00:18:33,808
Scott Stapley,
which was the name that
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00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:36,637
Leonard Lake used
when he was being arrested.
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"We picked him up in town,
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00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:40,771
"and he wanted to get out
right away.
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00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,033
"He must have figured it out.
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"I put the gun in his mouth.
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00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:47,561
"I know there were witnesses
when we grabbed Bond.
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00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,954
"We thought Lonnie Bond
had money stashed.
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"So we handcuffed him.
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00:18:51,217 --> 00:18:54,220
"We killed Bond
pretty quickly.
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"We got some serious good
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"big-time video equipment
from the Dubs.
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"Lake tied Harvey up
in the corner,
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"then I grabbed Deborah's leg
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"and jammed her
while he watched.
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"After the kill,
we kept what was good
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and buried their ID."
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- I think that one of
the things that impacted me
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the most was to read
the things that Ng had
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00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:20,071
divulged to Maurice Laberge
about Paul Cosner.
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00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:24,337
- When Ng was in prison
in Canada with Laberge,
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he made a number of
statements about Paul Cosner.
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Ng told him, quote,
"Leonard found this guy who
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"looked like him,
this Paul Cosner,
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and he wanted his car
and his ID."
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00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:44,574
"It was a hard operation,
because Cosner
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wouldn't cooperate with us."
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00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:52,408
"I shot him in the head."
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00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,415
- This is Ng saying
that while he was
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sitting in the back
of the car,
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00:20:01,025 --> 00:20:03,550
he shot Paul Cosner
in the head.
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00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:05,943
This is almost as good
as a confession
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00:20:05,987 --> 00:20:08,903
that Paul Cosner, first of all,
was shot and killed,
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00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,601
and secondly,
that it was Charles Ng
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00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:13,647
who actually did the killing.
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00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:21,089
- Authorities in the U.S.
now had what they thought
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00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:24,005
was solid enough evidence
to not only prosecute
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00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,137
Charles Ng for the murder
of Paul Cosner,
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00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:28,705
but for many of
the other victims.
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Their next battle was getting
him back to California.
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00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,886
- The snag developed
when California
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asked to have Ng sent back.
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00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:40,456
The Canadians said no.
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00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:43,894
- In terms of the extradition,
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Canada had a provision
in the law
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00:20:45,635 --> 00:20:48,247
that they may refuse
extradition
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00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:51,902
if the country the person
is to be extradited to
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00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:53,382
has the death penalty.
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00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:56,472
So they were initially
wanting assurances
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00:20:56,516 --> 00:20:57,908
from the U.S. authorities
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00:20:57,952 --> 00:21:00,868
that the death penalty
would not be charged.
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00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,652
And the authorities
here declined
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00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:04,654
to give them that assurance.
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00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:08,310
- Ng's extradition became
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00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:10,443
a major civil rights issue
in Canada.
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00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:13,489
This was going to be the
first time in Canadian history
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00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,317
where someone
facing extradition
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00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:19,190
back to their country would
face the death penalty.
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00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,642
- It was beyond belief.
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00:21:35,685 --> 00:21:39,646
We went through all the levels
of government of Canada.
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00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:41,909
We were begging them
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00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:43,737
to send Charles Ng back,
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00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:46,870
to change the law,
to make him be held
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00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:49,351
accountable for his actions.
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00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,222
The wait has been interminable.
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00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,312
I think he deserves
the death penalty,
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00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,706
if anybody in
the lifetime of crime
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00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:58,273
deserved the death penalty.
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00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,276
- The first time I ever met
Sharon Sellitto
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00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,323
was in Canada,
when we were doing
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00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:07,151
our petitions and everything.
427
00:22:07,195 --> 00:22:08,501
- Today in San Francisco--
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00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:11,373
- Every time she'd come on TV,
my dad goes,
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00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:13,070
there's our little firecracker!
430
00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:15,508
- Nothing has gone our way.
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00:22:15,551 --> 00:22:17,031
It was like we were--
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00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:20,687
we were battling the Canadian
government all this time.
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00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:24,299
And I knew we were on the
side of right and good.
434
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,171
- She didn't realize how much
she was helping everybody.
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00:22:27,215 --> 00:22:30,087
She was the only one that
was asking the same questions
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00:22:30,131 --> 00:22:31,741
that we wanted to know.
437
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,358
- By the summer of 1990,
Charles Ng had served
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00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:41,795
his 4 1/2 year sentence
in Canada.
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00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:43,797
And he was transferred
to another prison,
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00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,755
while his extradition case
moved through
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00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,496
the Canadian court system.
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00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:51,021
- The case ends up
going all the way
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00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:53,328
to the Canadian Supreme Court.
444
00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,331
Those nine justices were
going to have to decide
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00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:59,465
if Canada would be willing
to extradite somebody
446
00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:00,814
for the death penalty.
447
00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,381
It was a huge deal.
448
00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:06,210
- Good evening.
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00:23:06,254 --> 00:23:07,516
Topping our news tonight,
the ruling that
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could bring a
mass murder suspect to trial.
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00:23:09,692 --> 00:23:12,826
A Canadian judge ruled
today that Charles Ng can
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00:23:12,869 --> 00:23:14,610
be extradited to California.
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00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:16,046
The Canadian Supreme Court,
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00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,788
in a close four to three
decision, said today--
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said that Ng could
be extradited,
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00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,184
regardless of what penalty
faced him here in California.
457
00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,012
- Family members of
the victims said they were
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00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:26,709
relieved to hear the ruling.
459
00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:29,930
- We were starting to feel that
it was never going to happen.
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00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:31,497
My mother was worried
that she wouldn't
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00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:36,153
even live long enough to see
him return to California.
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00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:39,113
- As soon as
the ruling was made,
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00:23:39,156 --> 00:23:41,898
Charles Ng was taken
out of his cell
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00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:46,599
and loaded up into a van that
brought him to the airport.
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00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,607
- When the plane
took off from Canada
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00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:56,478
with Charles Ng on board,
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00:23:56,522 --> 00:23:59,394
the officers called me
when they were going
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00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:02,876
over the border from Canada
to the United States
469
00:24:02,919 --> 00:24:04,225
to tell me, Sharon,
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00:24:04,268 --> 00:24:06,793
Charles Ng's on his way
to justice.
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00:24:06,836 --> 00:24:10,840
And it was the first time
472
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:14,104
I felt happy
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00:24:14,148 --> 00:24:19,588
and smiled and laughed in...
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00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,895
seven years,
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00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,942
and it was the best news ever.
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00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:31,644
- We touched down
in Sacramento.
477
00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:35,125
The Department of Corrections
van was there to greet us.
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00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,476
As they brought him out of
the airplane in shackles
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00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,175
and turned him over to
the Department of Corrections,
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00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,699
there was a lot of smiles,
a lot of handshakes,
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00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:45,266
a lot of hugs going on.
482
00:24:45,309 --> 00:24:47,486
- Sitting behind bars
in Folsom Prison
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00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:49,357
is Charles Ng, the man accused
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00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,491
in the sex torture slayings
six years ago.
485
00:24:55,232 --> 00:24:58,627
- I thought we were on
the first step to justice.
486
00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:02,370
They were finally going
to have a hearing.
487
00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:04,459
And so Mother came from Ohio,
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00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,636
and we drove up to make sure
we were there.
489
00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,032
When we got there,
they had sharpshooters
490
00:25:12,075 --> 00:25:14,295
on the roof of the courthouse.
491
00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:17,472
They had sharpshooters
in the woods.
492
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,041
- Charles Ng was
public enemy number one.
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00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,304
He received many death threats,
494
00:25:23,347 --> 00:25:25,915
and authorities weren't
taking any chances.
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00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:30,441
- Security was tight outside
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00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:33,401
the Calaveras County
Courthouse this afternoon.
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00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:37,013
All this for suspected
mass murderer Charles Ng.
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00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:39,189
The court charged Ng
with 11 murders,
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00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:41,452
two counts of conspiracy
to commit murder,
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00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:43,237
three kidnappings,
and a burglary.
501
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,195
The prosecutor says he plans
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00:25:45,239 --> 00:25:46,980
to charge Ng
with a 12th murder,
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00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:48,503
for the death of Paul Cosner.
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00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,550
Cosner's sister was
in the courtroom today.
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00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:05,302
- Ng had been charged
officially with 12 murders,
506
00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:08,741
but he wasn't going
to go down without a fight.
507
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:15,051
- Charles gets into all
these legal ramblings,
508
00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:19,229
firing attorneys,
every delay tactic he can.
509
00:26:19,273 --> 00:26:21,362
- Ng made more complaints
in court this afternoon
510
00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:24,104
about getting cold food,
about getting carsick
511
00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:25,714
while being driven from Folsom,
512
00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:28,543
and not getting enough exercise
while he was in court.
513
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:32,329
- Charles Ng used every legal
maneuver to elude trial,
514
00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,897
including filing a motion
for a change of venue
515
00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:36,595
outside of Calaveras County.
516
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,206
This went on for years
and weighed heavily
517
00:26:39,249 --> 00:26:41,034
on the families of the victims,
518
00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:42,775
especially Sharon Sellitto.
519
00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,125
- I just want to know when
we're ever going to get around
520
00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:46,822
to the victims to the crime.
521
00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,824
I don't care if he's hot.
522
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:49,825
I don't care if he's cold.
523
00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:50,957
I don't care if he's sick.
524
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,045
I don't care if he's healthy.
525
00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:53,350
I don't care if he's hungry.
526
00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:55,222
I don't care if he's too full.
527
00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:56,484
Let's get on with the crime.
528
00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:58,225
I want to know
about the victims.
529
00:26:58,268 --> 00:27:01,271
I don't care about Charlie Ng.
530
00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:07,451
- Charles Ng delays this
trial by seven years.
531
00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,237
But finally,
the trial date is set.
532
00:27:15,068 --> 00:27:17,287
- There was a collective
sigh of relief
533
00:27:17,331 --> 00:27:19,681
that this was finally,
finally happening,
534
00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:22,466
after so many years of waiting.
535
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:24,425
There was a lot of security.
536
00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:26,427
There was a lot
of media attention.
537
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:28,255
The courtroom was packed.
538
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,823
- We were finally
going to see justice.
539
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:34,217
We had hopes of learning,
540
00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:37,046
through the trial process,
where Paul was.
541
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:39,048
We thought we'd find out,
542
00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:41,877
and then we could recover
his body.
543
00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:46,534
- They found evidence of--
544
00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:49,450
- The prosecutors were
confident the jury were
545
00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:51,800
going to convict Charles Ng.
546
00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:55,456
They had the M-Ladies tapes,
547
00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:57,458
they had the notes
and sketches that Ng had sent
548
00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,634
to prison informant
Maurice Laberge,
549
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:02,463
and they had
Leonard Lake's diary.
550
00:28:02,506 --> 00:28:05,118
- The prosecution
really needed his diary
551
00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:06,554
to be admitted as evidence,
552
00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:09,122
because it implicated
Charles Ng in the murder
553
00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,386
and disappearance
of Paul Cosner.
554
00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:15,563
But judges often label
diaries as hearsay,
555
00:28:15,606 --> 00:28:18,653
especially if the person
who wrote it is dead.
556
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,568
The big question
in the courtroom,
557
00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:23,789
would Leonard Lake's diary
be admissible as evidence?
558
00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:36,410
- The big question
inside the courtroom,
559
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,630
would Leonard Lake's diary
be admissible?
560
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,285
All the evidence they needed
to convict Charles Ng
561
00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:44,940
was right there,
right on the page.
562
00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,333
But Leonard Lake was dead,
563
00:28:46,376 --> 00:28:48,465
so it was difficult
to confirm what was true
564
00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:50,511
or what he might have
made up or embellished.
565
00:28:50,554 --> 00:28:53,819
In the end, the judge
deemed the diary hearsay,
566
00:28:53,862 --> 00:28:56,169
and it was excluded
from the trial.
567
00:28:57,997 --> 00:29:01,435
So this was a serious blow
to the prosecution.
568
00:29:03,524 --> 00:29:06,266
- By that time,
I knew about Lake's diary,
569
00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:10,444
and where it said that they
had murdered Paul together.
570
00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:13,577
It was just horrible.
571
00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:18,234
- Fortunately, the prosecution
did have other key evidence
572
00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:20,541
they could lean back on.
573
00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,935
The M-Lady tapes.
574
00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:23,936
Let's face it.
575
00:29:23,979 --> 00:29:25,285
That's extremely
damning evidence.
576
00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:26,547
You've got Leonard Lake there.
577
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:27,809
You've got Charlie there.
578
00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:29,245
You've got the victims there.
579
00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:30,551
And they outline everything
that they're
580
00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:32,118
going to do to them.
581
00:29:44,521 --> 00:29:46,001
- Now, when that tape
is played tomorrow,
582
00:29:46,045 --> 00:29:48,177
the public will be banned
from the courtroom.
583
00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:51,050
Except for the family members
of the alleged victims,
584
00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,575
who for the first time may
actually see the terror
585
00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,185
their loved ones endured.
586
00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:07,718
- Right off the bat,
the jury is shown exactly
587
00:30:07,762 --> 00:30:10,765
what Leonard Lake
and Charles Ng are like.
588
00:30:16,423 --> 00:30:17,946
- When she played the tapes,
589
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,122
you could cut the tension
with a knife.
590
00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:21,994
It was a very tense moment.
591
00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:31,481
- Victims' family members
were crying.
592
00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:34,006
It was an emotional
moment for them.
593
00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:47,323
- It was graphic
and disgusting
594
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,195
and difficult to watch.
595
00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:53,199
The tape was just
that overwhelming.
596
00:30:56,942 --> 00:30:59,553
- That's something
I could never watch.
597
00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:05,428
And I asked them,
was my sister murdered on tape?
598
00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:07,517
And they told me, no,
she was just tortured.
599
00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:14,873
I know my sister suffered.
600
00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:21,009
- The defense says,
despite offensive images shown
601
00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:23,316
in court of Charles Ng
on videotape
602
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,276
cutting off a woman's clothes,
he did not kill anyone.
603
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,104
- You can't like Charles Ng,
folks.
604
00:31:29,148 --> 00:31:31,367
It's impossible.
605
00:31:31,411 --> 00:31:34,066
But you have to set
that aside and say,
606
00:31:34,109 --> 00:31:36,372
have they proven that
he murdered--
607
00:31:36,416 --> 00:31:39,593
actually killed,
or conspired to kill?
608
00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:42,030
- So William Kelley's
whole theory was
609
00:31:42,074 --> 00:31:44,250
to make Lake the killer,
610
00:31:44,293 --> 00:31:45,904
and to make Charles Ng
611
00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:47,949
just an accomplice
to some other deeds,
612
00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,864
but definitely not the killing.
613
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,432
Maybe he was guilty
of sexual assault
614
00:31:52,475 --> 00:31:54,390
or some other crimes.
615
00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:56,827
But he's on trial for murder.
616
00:31:56,871 --> 00:31:59,743
- It was Bill Kelley's intent
for Charles Ng
617
00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,397
to never testify,
618
00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:04,009
never get anywhere near
the witness box.
619
00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:07,534
He knew that it would
damage the case.
620
00:32:07,577 --> 00:32:10,363
- But then, against
his attorney's advice,
621
00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,017
and at the 11th hour,
622
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,846
Charles Ng decided
to take the stand.
623
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,240
- He wasn't going
to let anybody else
624
00:32:18,284 --> 00:32:20,068
get in the way of showing that
625
00:32:20,112 --> 00:32:22,027
he was innocent
of these murders.
626
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,072
He didn't care what
his attorneys had done.
627
00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:27,684
It was going to be
the Charles Ng show.
628
00:32:27,728 --> 00:32:30,774
- I think it was a huge
tactical error on his part,
629
00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:33,647
in order to try to explain
away things
630
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,432
and, again, try
to blame Leonard Lake.
631
00:32:36,476 --> 00:32:38,782
And I think it
failed miserably.
632
00:32:40,349 --> 00:32:43,439
- The prosecutor produced
sketches depicting Charlie
633
00:32:43,483 --> 00:32:45,659
cooking a baby in a wok,
and asked him
634
00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:48,444
if he had written
the words on the sketch,
635
00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:52,144
"Daddy dies,
mommy cries, baby fries."
636
00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:57,279
Charlie said he had,
but he dismissed the sketch
637
00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,281
as an attempt at black humor.
638
00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:02,023
But it was difficult
for a jury to find any humor
639
00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:04,939
in the drawings that
depicted killing babies,
640
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:08,682
because what kind of person
would do these things?
641
00:33:16,342 --> 00:33:19,214
- By the end of the trial,
it was anyone's guess
642
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,694
what the jury was thinking.
643
00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:25,046
- When the jury finally
went out,
644
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,353
we of course were hoping
for justice.
645
00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:30,791
Finally, on the 13th day,
646
00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:33,533
we got a call that said,
you have two hours
647
00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,491
to get back to the courthouse.
648
00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,798
The jury's reached a verdict.
649
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,633
- We, the jury,
in the above entitled case,
650
00:33:46,676 --> 00:33:51,159
find the defendant,
Charles Chitat Ng...
651
00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:55,772
Guilty.
652
00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,821
- The word "guilty"
echoed through the courtroom
653
00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,257
again and again.
654
00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:05,739
After 14 years, Ng was
no longer a defendant.
655
00:34:05,782 --> 00:34:07,784
He was a convicted
serial killer.
656
00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:10,396
- Guilty verdicts come in
for the victims,
657
00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:14,400
including the murders
of Harvey Dubs, Deborah Dubs,
658
00:34:14,443 --> 00:34:16,402
their 18-month baby, Sean,
659
00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:19,100
followed by the two men found
in the sleeping bags,
660
00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:22,103
Lonnie Bond
and Scott Stapley.
661
00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:23,887
Guilty verdicts were read
for the two women
662
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:25,541
from the M-Ladies tape,
663
00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:28,283
Kathy Allen
and Brenda O'Connor,
664
00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:30,503
and her infant son.
665
00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:35,377
- When the verdict came in,
it was on my sister's birthday.
666
00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:36,813
We were all happy.
667
00:34:36,857 --> 00:34:38,206
We were all crying.
668
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,903
We were all hugging.
669
00:34:39,947 --> 00:34:42,515
We--
670
00:34:42,558 --> 00:34:45,213
but Sharon wasn't.
671
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,740
- Charles Ng had been convicted
on every count of murder,
672
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:51,828
except for one--
673
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:53,874
the murder of Paul Cosner.
674
00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:07,409
- We, the jury,
in the above entitled case,
675
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:11,761
find the defendant,
Charles Chitat Ng,
676
00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:13,241
guilty.
677
00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:18,551
- Charles Ng, guilty of murder
not once, but 11 times.
678
00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:20,901
- The mass murderer
showed no emotion,
679
00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:22,337
but some relatives
of the victims
680
00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:24,165
smiled and nodded
with approval.
681
00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,254
- For Sharon Sellitto,
no such joy.
682
00:35:26,298 --> 00:35:27,908
Just bitter disappointment.
683
00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:30,171
The jury could not agree
on the murder
684
00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:31,912
of her brother, Paul Cosner.
685
00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,524
- They had said guilty
all those times
686
00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:36,917
for everybody else.
687
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,486
And there wasn't a guilty
for Paul.
688
00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:43,271
And I was sitting there
with my arm around Mother,
689
00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:46,318
and she had her hands
in her lap,
690
00:35:46,361 --> 00:35:49,321
and her hands were just
filling up with tears.
691
00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:53,455
And they were running over
her hands and down her leg
692
00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:55,196
to the floor.
693
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,111
- That wasn't fair to Sharon.
694
00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,114
All the work, all the time,
695
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,421
all the people she helped.
696
00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:05,206
And then it was
her brother that
697
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:07,121
came back with not guilty.
698
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,731
And that wasn't right.
699
00:36:08,775 --> 00:36:12,822
So you're all happy and elated,
then you're all pissed.
700
00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,955
Why? Why not Paul?
701
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:22,223
- If Leonard Lake's diary
had been entered into evidence,
702
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:25,661
I feel that Charles Ng
would have been
703
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,924
charged with a 12th murder.
704
00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:31,232
The entries in there
implicated him
705
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:34,366
as potentially being
the killer.
706
00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:39,675
I feel that Sharon Sellitto had
707
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,635
been served a gross injustice.
708
00:36:42,678 --> 00:36:45,855
- Bonnie, you couldn't vote
to find him guilty.
709
00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:47,248
Why not?
710
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,424
- I felt there was still
a little bit of a doubt.
711
00:36:49,468 --> 00:36:52,166
- But I was absolutely,
without a doubt, sure.
712
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:53,907
- I'm sure he did it.
713
00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:55,256
But they didn't prove it.
714
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,171
- Now comes the penalty phase.
715
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,478
It's scheduled to start
the second week of March,
716
00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,785
and prosecutors intend
to seek the death penalty.
717
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,705
- The judge allowed
the family members
718
00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:12,186
to give impact statements,
talk about their loved ones
719
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,709
that they lost.
720
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:19,672
And that, to me,
was really heart-wrenching,
721
00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,543
to see the pain and anguish.
722
00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:24,546
- I just wanted to come up here
and stand before you,
723
00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:27,680
and tell you that
my sister was loved,
724
00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:31,161
and is missed very, very much.
725
00:37:31,205 --> 00:37:35,557
- May God forgive me,
but I want Charles Ng dead.
726
00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,343
- This is part of my
victim impact statement
727
00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:41,476
that the judge
allowed me to read.
728
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,784
"You have shown nothing
but contempt for life.
729
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,525
"You have killed many people.
730
00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:50,224
"Not only my brother, but that
you killed so many others
731
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,748
"who have no one to speak
on their behalf.
732
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:55,316
"But now it's over, Charlie.
733
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,666
You must be put to death."
734
00:37:59,842 --> 00:38:02,236
- It took 14 long,
grueling years,
735
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,325
but families of the victims
finally heard
736
00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,240
the words they wanted to hear.
737
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,590
The judge agreed with
the jury's recommendation.
738
00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,550
Charles Ng will die
for his crimes.
739
00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:14,292
- It is the order
of this court that
740
00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,859
you shall be punished
by death.
741
00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:20,254
- When they said
the death sentence,
742
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,082
you could hear the screams.
743
00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:23,431
We were elated.
744
00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:26,042
Charles Ng was just so whiny.
745
00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:29,089
And he didn't get no sleep,
he was tired.
746
00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:32,353
I stood up, and I bent over,
747
00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,399
and he was right
in front of me.
748
00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:39,099
And I told him,
bet you're wide awake now.
749
00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:12,611
- When I first set out
on this journey,
750
00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:14,613
all I wanted to do was
tell the story
751
00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,397
of the most gruesome
serial murder case
752
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,094
Ain California's history.
753
00:39:19,748 --> 00:39:22,708
And in Sharon Sellitto,
I met a woman
754
00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:25,754
who, for me, is the definition
of the words
755
00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:28,496
resilience and strength.
756
00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:39,333
- Well, obviously,
from what I've been through,
757
00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,554
I discovered that
life isn't fair.
758
00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:47,646
And if this doesn't prove it,
nothing has.
759
00:39:57,873 --> 00:40:01,007
- I have all the admiration
in the world for Sharon.
760
00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:02,791
I can't think of anything
or anybody else
761
00:40:02,835 --> 00:40:05,620
in the world that has
ever been that dedicated.
762
00:40:18,764 --> 00:40:20,722
- Hi, Sharon.
- Hi.
763
00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:23,899
- God bless her.
764
00:40:23,943 --> 00:40:25,901
I mean, what can you say?
765
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,991
Hard place to come to.
766
00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:30,819
- I know.
767
00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,082
But it feels exactly the same.
768
00:40:33,126 --> 00:40:35,084
- Same. Yeah.
769
00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:36,172
- It does feel the same.
770
00:40:36,216 --> 00:40:38,827
- 37 years since--
771
00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,786
- Yeah.
- Long time.
772
00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,222
- Half my life.
773
00:40:42,265 --> 00:40:44,398
- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
774
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:45,878
- Grandma picked roses.
775
00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,402
And she took them to Mother
at the hospital
776
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,143
to celebrate Paul's birth.
777
00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,754
These are from
Grandma's roses in Ohio.
778
00:40:52,798 --> 00:40:54,234
- Seriously?
- Wow.
779
00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:57,846
- I brought it up here
to spread some of the petals.
780
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,282
- Wow.
781
00:40:59,326 --> 00:41:02,677
- To make Mother happy,
Grandma happy, Paul happy.
782
00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,245
And me happy too.
783
00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:07,377
This is from Mother.
784
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:10,380
And this is from Grandma.
785
00:41:10,424 --> 00:41:16,430
And it's to take some of
the murder out of this land.
786
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:17,953
This is for Paul,
787
00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:21,391
to celebrate
Paul Steven Cosner.
788
00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:26,135
For many years, I thought
about this every day.
789
00:41:26,179 --> 00:41:27,528
Here, Paulie.
790
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,791
These are finally here.
791
00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:34,448
I don't think about
it every day now.
792
00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:37,625
God bless you.
793
00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:41,716
There isn't anything else
I can do.
794
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,501
God bless you.
795
00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:47,069
I guess I've learned
to live with it.
796
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:53,206
I try to live past it
and around it,
797
00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:57,776
but I don't think
I can ever forget it.
798
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,501
- Well, some new developments
in a mass murder
799
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,286
that happened in
Calaveras County back in 1985.
800
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:32,114
The remains of some
of the victims
801
00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:33,768
were exhumed for DNA testing.
802
00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:37,467
- Right now, as we speak,
the Department of Justice
803
00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:40,732
is, through DNA,
attempting to identify
804
00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:44,649
other human remains that
were found on the property.
805
00:42:44,692 --> 00:42:46,912
- I would very much like
to find Paul,
806
00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,306
and take him back
and bury him next to Mother.
807
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:54,223
DNA has become
much more advanced.
808
00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:55,834
I'm very optimistic.
809
00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:59,272
I sure am hoping that
I'm the lucky one.
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