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Cheers.
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Cheers.
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To being back in my high school theater
for the first time since�
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{\an8}- So many years ago.
- Yeah.
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I think for me� Well, cheers.
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Just regular soda.
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I know. Isn't it amazing
how it can be so lively on this stage?
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So much flavor.
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No, I think the last time I was here was�
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Well, 2001 was the last�
No, 2000, I think.
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- 'Cause-- Oh, no�
- What show was it?
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Once on This Island.
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- Oh, okay.
- The show that had�
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Remember, it was a show
that's mostly African American cast,
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but here in Shoreline, Washington,
we had one Black gal and one Filipino kid.
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- And the rest was white, so�
- Oh, okay.
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You know, speaking of
being back at Shorecrest,
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I might have something
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to just kind of bring
more of the mood of Shorecrest back.
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Hey, Jack.
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Uh-oh.
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Uh-oh.
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Okay.
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- Wow. Taking over already.
- Let's�
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- Yes.
- Classic Mom.
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Yeah.
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It's called The Adam Ray Show,
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and yet it's turned into
Mom's prop closet.
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You didn't expect anything less, did you?
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Whoa.
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- Okay.
- Wow.
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Whoa.
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The letterman jacket, old 33.
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Babe, let me know
if you wanna wear it home.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It gets pretty serious
if you're wearing his letterman jacket.
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- Wow. All right, we'll give the full tour.
- And�
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Okay. Well, you gotta put it on.
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- Jesus.
- Yeah.
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I'm sorry, but you have to.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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- Wow.
- Yeah.
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- Yeah.
- Wow.
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Yeah. And it� It�
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Will you sit down while you do that
while you're in the shot?
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Cool.
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It fits!
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- I would hope so. We got, like, XXX.
- I mean, I�
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- Yeah, well, you know�
- So take them through�
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You were playing football then until�
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- Well, no. So I got�
- �basketball.
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Basketball, drama, and then I forget
what the two lines were for.
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- Two years of basketball.
- There it is. There it is.
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And it would've had a football,
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but you couldn't miss playing
Danny Zuko in Grease.
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Let's tell them the story.
That's a great segue
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into one of the reasons
why we chose to do it here.
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We could've done this episode
at you and George's house,
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or, I don't know,
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the 7-Eleven that I lived next to�
that we lived next to.
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Or elementary school.
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But that would've felt weird
to go back to the elementary school.
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Or at Albertsons.
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- Could've done Albertsons.
- Grocery store where you stole beer.
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I wasn't gonna say where I worked.
But we can talk about my felon days.
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Yeah.
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But I was playing football
sophomore year of high school,
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or about to go into sophomore year,
and I was gonna be named captain,
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and I was gonna start varsity
because, I dunno if you remember,
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a kid named Robbie Knowles, shout out,
was injured, so they were gonna�
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Coach Tacon told me
I was gonna start varsity as a sophomore.
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So a lot of expectations,
a lot of pressure.
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And I thought you were
gonna go, like, even both ways.
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- Defense and offense.
- Sexually?
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- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Oh, yeah. Oh�
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- Cute. Cute.
- Both, yeah. Defense and offense.
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And then� Yes, I was.
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And then the play.
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Brad Reid, who directed and choreographed
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and built the costumes for all the plays
while I was here.
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A dear friend of yours during that time
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hit me up and said,
"We're gonna do Grease in the fall,
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and I think you'd be a great Danny Zuko."
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- Yeah.
- "I hope you're auditioning."
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Just a moment.
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Oh�
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What was� What was the Wizard of Oz one?
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- The Wiz?
- What was the� The Wiz.
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And what was your part?
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- The Tin Man.
- Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, thanks to Brad Reid
and his design capabilities.
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Wow.
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Yeah. I think you need to put this on.
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- Maybe not the entire podcast.
- Jesus Christ.
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But this was your hat
when you played the Tin Man.
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No, wait a minute. You got a thing
that goes around your chin.
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Yeah.
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So, Brad was a artistic fella
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who took on the responsibilities
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of choreographing,
costume designing, and directing The Wiz
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my� fall of my junior year.
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I think that's backwards. Is it?
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- Mom, just let me tell the story.
- Okay, never mind. Okay.
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And so, he created this costume out of�
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I think I�
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I think I had spoons
and all sorts of cutlery attached to me.
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- It was the most, like, metal, insane�
- Yup.
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I remember during the tap dance routine,
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one of the metal sporks flew up
and chipped my tooth during opening night,
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and� which also on opening night,
which we have a clip of this,
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I got� They only ever taped
the shows on opening night,
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which never made sense because we did 19
shows. They should've taped the last one,
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but they're like, "Let's tape the first
where nobody's ready to do anything."
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And I remember I got caught
in Anthony Areamos, the Scarecrow.
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- Right. Yeah.
- Remember?
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Where I got� my�
all the metal knick-knacks
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got caught in Anthony's hay.
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- And you were supposed to dance.
- I was singing the ballad.
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And I was realizing that I got stuck,
and in my head, I was like,
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"Holy shit, I'm gonna have to do
a tap dance routine attached to Anthony."
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Being vulnerable again
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- And so tell me what, what would I do?
- What.
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- Do you remember this?
- Yes.
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- What were you thinking as a parent?
- And we�
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I was thinking,
"Oh, that's a new take on The Wiz."
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No, I figured
you'd just make something funny out of it.
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And�
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Even though I didn't have
the improv wherewithal to�
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Oh, you had it on backwards.
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At least put it on the right way
for the one time.
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Yeah. You look thrilled, by the way.
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Yeah, there you go.
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- Great.
- Yeah.
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So I wanna go back
to that Grease story real quick though,
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'cause I feel like that was my first,
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like, real taste
of big decision-type things
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that you were heavily involved in.
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- So it was�
- I loved it.
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"Do I do Grease or play football?"
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And then that summer,
I went back and forth.
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And I didn't want to disappoint the coach.
He was like, "You're gonna start varsity."
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But I also wanted to do the play
'cause that seemed like more fun.
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And I don't know if you remember
what you said, but you said,
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"What do you want to do?"
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And I said, "Well, I want to do the play
'cause that feels like more fun,
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and I think that's what I might want to do
post-high school,
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and if I play football, I'll be playing
football to please the coach."
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And you said, "Well, there's your answer."
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And then you said, "Don't, you know,
live your life to please other people,"
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which, ironically, is what I do.
Comedy to� people-pleaser, but�
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- And that�
- And you even did two-a-days, didn't you?
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I went through
all the camps and everything.
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And then still had the balls to quit.
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But as a parent,
I guess talk me through that.
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Trying to tell me what to do or not do.
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I desperately did not want
to tell you what to do.
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I really didn't.
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So that's why I was kind of
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questioning you as to try to draw out,
I guess that's my therapist coming out.
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Yeah.
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And you structured it in your brain
and came up with your own answer.
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And I was very proud of you for that,
'cause that was not an easy decision.
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And especially going back to Tacon
and talking to him.
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- Yeah.
- And, oh my gosh.
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And I wanted to offer, "Well,
I can go with you." But I knew. You know.
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- Oh my God, fate worse than death.
- Yeah.
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And so�
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You went to talk to him.
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- He wasn't real pleased.
- He wasn't pumped.
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He had a few choice words,
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but then he showed up
to the matin�e with his kids.
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I remember I was wearing
my leather jacket.
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It had, like, lipstick from Sandy.
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{\an8}And we're out in the hallway taking
pictures and visiting with friends after.
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{\an8}And he just shook my hand and said,
"Well, it wasn't terrible."
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- And I was like, "See you at practice."
- That's great praise.
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Yeah, right, right.
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- That's so funny you offered--
- Now he's one of your greatest fans.
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- Totally.
- By the way.
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Comments on everything on Facebook.
Shout out, Greg.
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Come on, say.
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Listen, if it was up to me, I'd never even
look at another chick but you.
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Hey, tell you what, we're throwing a party
in the park tomorrow tonight for Frenchy.
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She's gonna quit school
before she flunks again
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and go to beauty school.
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Another reason why I wanted to do
this episode is to let people know
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the person behind all of my good fortune,
and good luck, and good everything.
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You don't realize
that you get any of your humor
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or, you know,
any characteristics, I think, as an adult
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until you get older and you see
your parents as people and not parents.
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- And that probably shifted for me.
- Wow, you're there already.
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- I'm there. Got there an hour ago.
- Wow.
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And it was just you and I living together
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from eighth grade
through most of high school.
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So it's like this push and pull
of, like, you know�
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"Can you wash my basketball jersey?"
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"The game's tomorrow,
and I have a test to study for."
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But then, like,
"Give me some space. I'm a man."
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So, like, this push and pull of wanting
to be independent but needing you, and�
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Or 5 minutes before the game,
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and that's when I doused it
and sprayed it with Lysol.
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- Yeah. Yeah.
- Yeah.
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I guess I want people to know, like,
the extra miles you went sacrifice-wise
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and just doing, you know, all this stuff
that nobody asks a single mom to do
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so that I could be involved
and do all my stuff.
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- So�
- It was�
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Filled my heart. Every moment�
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I loved.
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It didn't seem like much of a sacrifice.
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And it�
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Seeing you love what you did
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and being accomplished
in whatever you tried to do
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and making big decisions
about walking in and telling the coach,
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I was very proud of you for that.
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And I got to grow up
and play in your world too.
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- And anyway, thank you very much.
- Of course.
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Thank you for being here.
Hold for a photo?
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- Yeah. Okay.
- Okay. Thank you so much.
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You had how many jobs at the time?
It was what?
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- Council House activities coordinator?
- I had several jobs.
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And I had my master's.
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Well, I still do have
my master's in social work.
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So I would be the social worker
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at several different
skilled nursing facilities.
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I wanted to be doing what you were doing
'cause in college
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I wanted to go
into the Theater Department.
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And�
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And then my father, bless his heart,
who I loved dearly,
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said, "Oh, and you'll be able
to get a job after you graduate?"
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- Right.
- And I went�
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And I thought,
"Oh, Daddy doesn't want that."
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Kind of discouraging it indirectly.
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- Well, he didn't know he was doing that.
- Yeah. Yeah.
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As parents, when we, you know, crap out,
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a lot of times,
we don't know that we're doing that.
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And he didn't, bless his heart.
Well, I didn't do it.
240
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And I got� did a different career,
and my BA was in social work,
241
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and I thought I could be
a tip-top receptionist, you know.
242
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But then after I got my master's,
then I started working.
243
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You've always been a people person.
244
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- Yeah.
- Yeah.
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- From the get-go.
- And I think you have too.
246
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- Sure. And I think I get that from you.
- Yeah.
247
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- And we get that from Grandpa too.
- Totally.
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Yeah, good.
249
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Well, so then you got�
so then you were doing 4 or 5 jobs
250
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to make sure I could have baseball,
basketball uniforms and do everything.
251
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And then here comes
your knight in shining armor, George.
252
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- God sent me George.
- "God sent you George" is what we say.
253
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- And you married George in� 2002.
- Two.
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2002. To celebrate an anniversary. Mazel.
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- Right. Thank you.
- And�
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- Twenty-four years.
- Twenty-four years.
257
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Right. I remember when I told you
about George.
258
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- Yeah. Yeah.
- And you met George.
259
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And you took me by the arm.
260
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"Don't screw this up."
That's what you told me.
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Yeah. You know.
262
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'Cause I was getting ready to move down
to Los Angeles to go to USC.
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And so the idea� I almost stayed in town
to go to University of Washington
264
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'cause I didn't want
to leave you by yourself. And then�
265
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- Really?
- Oh, yeah.
266
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You were like,
"You have to go for college."
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You were adamant about it,
which was almost a little too adamant.
268
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You were like, "Get the fuck out."
269
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- Yeah, but you bought it.
- Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
270
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- You lost 35 lb before your bar mitzvah.
- Yeah.
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Boom. And out came Adam. And�
272
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By the way, "Chubby kid going on a diet"
spreads like wildfire.
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Because, like, I remember
at the sixth-grade party, I was getting,
274
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you know, the teachers were accustomed
to me, like, eating M&M's off their desk
275
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or having multiple cookies at snack time.
276
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And I remember I walked in to get�
They had pizza, cookies, and doughnuts.
277
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I remember grabbing a celery stick,
278
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and one of the teachers going,
"Ray, celery, huh?"
279
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And I was like, "Yep."
280
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And I was, like, on a diet,
but I was trying to be covert about it.
281
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- And�
- I never really put� No, go ahead.
282
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Yeah, but she goes, "Celery, huh?
But the pizza's right there."
283
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And I was like, I never felt�
284
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I didn't know that adults could, like,
shame kids like that. It was pretty�
285
00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:23,278
- Yeah, well, they're not supposed to.
- Yeah.
286
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- Yeah, right.
- Funny in hindsight.
287
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- But hurtful in the moment.
- Yeah.
288
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That brings up the point of when you had
such a wonderful gym teacher.
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- Mr. Bowman? Yeah.
- Mr. Bowman.
290
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And because, you know, when you're in gym,
and there's a whole bunch of boys.
291
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And they'll play,
you know, skins and shirts.
292
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And Mr. Bowman, bless his heart,
would always let you be shirts.
293
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- Yeah.
- Remember?
294
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And you�
295
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It would have been weird
if he was like, "Take your shirt off."
296
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- That would have been weird.
- Yeah, it's weird now.
297
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No, he was very supportive.
298
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So you meet George, and then you're able
to quit working a handful of jobs.
299
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And George goes,
300
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"Puddin', you should always�
you want to do theater, do theater."
301
00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:12,035
- "You should go back and do theater."
- Oh, I know.
302
00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:14,954
And so you started doing community plays.
303
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And then all of a sudden
I get a call from you saying,
304
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"I'm in The Vagina Monologues."
And I was like, "Great."
305
00:15:21,295 --> 00:15:23,296
Yeah.
306
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"When does it start?"
And then we came up to�
307
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But you didn't know that George
became an honorary vagina.
308
00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:32,055
I don't know what that means.
309
00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:34,599
I'm not sure either,
but it sounded pretty cool.
310
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,018
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
311
00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:43,191
Your best story that I tell all the time
312
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is during a high school basketball game,
packed gymnasium.
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We needed to win 3 out of 4 games
to go to the playoffs
314
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for the first time in 25 years.
315
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And it was the second to last game.
316
00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:56,120
And I'm at the free throw line
about to hit a shot
317
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that would put us up by 3
and seemingly win the game.
318
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And it's dead silent
in a packed gym of probably,
319
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I don't know, 1,000 kids and parents.
320
00:16:04,088 --> 00:16:05,964
She screams out
as I'm at the free throw line,
321
00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:08,216
and it's dead silent
'cause everyone's nervous.
322
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"Just have fun."
323
00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:16,474
And I think the whole stadium laughed
or the whole gymnasium laughed.
324
00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:19,060
- Parents are like--
- I was next to a mom that yelled too.
325
00:16:19,061 --> 00:16:23,648
I remember turning over at the free line
just going, "Mom, stop!"
326
00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:27,360
Which made everyone laugh even more.
And then I hit the shot. And then, yeah.
327
00:16:27,361 --> 00:16:29,153
Yeah. I remember running over afterwards.
328
00:16:29,154 --> 00:16:31,782
I was like, "You gotta reel it in."
And you were like, "You made it."
329
00:16:33,283 --> 00:16:35,827
So, thanks, Mom.
330
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- Love you.
- I love you.
331
00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:41,207
Were you ever� were you�
you were nervous for me in sports,
332
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like if I was pitching
or at the free throw line,
333
00:16:43,752 --> 00:16:45,128
but, like, during a play,
334
00:16:45,129 --> 00:16:47,505
was there any aspect of my life
at that time
335
00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:50,009
where you weren't a nervous parent?
336
00:16:50,509 --> 00:16:52,802
During the plays, were you like,
"They've rehearsed this."
337
00:16:52,803 --> 00:16:55,680
But in sports, it's like
you're just reacting, right?
338
00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:57,849
Well, you could get physically hurt.
339
00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:02,521
And usually you hadn't been
in anything on the play, but�
340
00:17:03,105 --> 00:17:07,108
when you got on stage, like you do now,
341
00:17:07,109 --> 00:17:10,821
and it even began in the fifth grade�
342
00:17:12,156 --> 00:17:14,532
You own the stage.
343
00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:18,369
It's� It just makes me feel so good.
344
00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:21,748
When you're on the stage, it's yours.
345
00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:23,207
You're never unsure.
346
00:17:23,208 --> 00:17:28,546
And if you are unsure,
then you make it like part of the script.
347
00:17:28,547 --> 00:17:30,631
And it plays.
348
00:17:30,632 --> 00:17:32,217
And�
349
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:35,720
You know, I learned that from you.
350
00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:41,100
And one time when I was on the stage,
and I called somebody by the wrong name,
351
00:17:41,101 --> 00:17:43,936
well, the audience didn't probably know,
352
00:17:43,937 --> 00:17:46,856
but then in my mind,
I had to correct that.
353
00:17:46,857 --> 00:17:51,444
So I started talking and created
a different scenario while I was on stage
354
00:17:51,445 --> 00:17:54,947
and made that character
somebody's friend that I talked about.
355
00:17:54,948 --> 00:17:57,200
But I learned that from you.
356
00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:03,206
You also looked like you had
such passion about what you were doing.
357
00:18:03,207 --> 00:18:08,002
And I never really worried
about you on stage.
358
00:18:08,003 --> 00:18:11,964
It was like I couldn't wait
to come and see the play again.
359
00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:14,342
- Yeah.
- You know, and see the next one.
360
00:18:14,343 --> 00:18:19,055
And also the children
that you had taught in religious school.
361
00:18:19,056 --> 00:18:20,973
- They all came to see your plays.
- Right.
362
00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:22,266
And�
363
00:18:22,267 --> 00:18:26,896
That's what was cool about these plays
at Shorecrest, where we are,
364
00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:30,566
and why it's extra special to do this here
is because
365
00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:34,195
taking field trips to Shorecrest
366
00:18:34,196 --> 00:18:36,864
in elementary school to see the plays
were a big deal. Remember?
367
00:18:36,865 --> 00:18:39,408
- You probably came on a few to chaperone.
- Probably chaperone.
368
00:18:39,409 --> 00:18:41,410
- But it was--
- And I think I had a good time.
369
00:18:41,411 --> 00:18:42,411
You had a good time.
370
00:18:42,412 --> 00:18:46,290
But it was our first taste
of, like, I don't know, celebrity
371
00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:51,629
or even just seeing, you know, people�
372
00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:54,090
'Cause you'd see them on stage,
and then you'd go to the lobby
373
00:18:54,091 --> 00:18:59,095
and meet Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle or the lead
of West Side Story or whatever.
374
00:18:59,096 --> 00:19:02,557
And you could wrap your head
around the fact that they were,
375
00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:05,685
you know, like you,
because they weren't on TV and in movies,
376
00:19:05,686 --> 00:19:07,228
but they were� they seemed�
377
00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:09,063
- They were little kids dressed up.
- Totally.
378
00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:11,691
- And you got to see them as people then.
- Yeah.
379
00:19:11,692 --> 00:19:16,612
But on stage, most everybody,
it was a good theater program,
380
00:19:16,613 --> 00:19:19,866
was very confident in their role.
381
00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:25,538
And you can probably attest to this,
if I hadn't seen those plays as a child
382
00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:29,292
and then wanted to make that
a part of my life in high school,
383
00:19:29,293 --> 00:19:31,879
that I definitely wouldn't be doing
what I'm doing.
384
00:19:37,134 --> 00:19:41,096
"What's something
you wish fans knew about me off stage?"
385
00:19:43,974 --> 00:19:46,518
Could be embarrassing or not.
386
00:19:47,603 --> 00:19:50,479
Well, you know, I should have gone
to something embarrassing,
387
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:57,486
but I immediately go to something
about what a nice guy and considerate.
388
00:19:57,487 --> 00:20:00,824
But I think most of your fans know that.
389
00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:05,870
You'll help people out
when they're in trouble.
390
00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,914
Even when you were in grade school,
391
00:20:07,915 --> 00:20:14,337
and you were a little heavier
than some of the others, and you'd be�
392
00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:16,298
And this segues.
393
00:20:16,798 --> 00:20:20,260
You were being made fun of,
but you never told me about it.
394
00:20:21,428 --> 00:20:23,387
That I recall.
395
00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:27,934
And you couldn't tell me
but they were making fun of you,
396
00:20:27,935 --> 00:20:32,355
and I think that's one of the places
where you fell into your comedy.
397
00:20:32,356 --> 00:20:36,108
- You utilized your comedy to do that.
- Oh, yeah.
398
00:20:36,109 --> 00:20:38,819
But everybody� And then
if you saw somebody,
399
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,488
and I would hear this,
400
00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:45,785
there'd be a kid being made fun of,
or they weren't being kind to them,
401
00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:49,580
and you would go
and take up for them in this school.
402
00:20:49,581 --> 00:20:51,999
- Do you remember certain instances?
- Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
403
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,127
Yeah, and� or maybe even had a disability.
404
00:20:55,128 --> 00:20:57,255
And�
405
00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,090
I was so proud of that
406
00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:01,843
and your kind heart,
and you have it today.
407
00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,262
And you have a wonderful wife
408
00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,723
that appreciates
what a wonderful man you are.
409
00:21:07,724 --> 00:21:09,058
And of course you appreciate
410
00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:13,729
what a wonderful woman
that you have indeed found.
411
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:16,316
Oh, yeah, I'm batting out of my league.
Everybody knows that.
412
00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:19,777
Yeah, well, I can see why you'd say that,
but I'm not sure.
413
00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:22,196
But I know that's a good statement.
414
00:21:22,197 --> 00:21:24,116
- I hit the jackpot for sure.
- Yeah, you did.
415
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:32,540
Your debut on the stage.
416
00:21:32,541 --> 00:21:34,083
Yes.
417
00:21:34,084 --> 00:21:38,087
Besides, you know, around our house
418
00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:43,551
and pretending to be Ninja Turtles
in the hallway, and�
419
00:21:43,552 --> 00:21:45,845
- Or puppet shows for my friends.
- Oh, yeah.
420
00:21:45,846 --> 00:21:47,930
Oh, yeah. And�
421
00:21:47,931 --> 00:21:49,975
- Weird kid.
- But you�
422
00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:54,104
God, I loved it.
423
00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:56,690
So�
424
00:21:57,524 --> 00:21:58,482
Anyway.
425
00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,609
- What?
- You know what I was saying?
426
00:22:00,610 --> 00:22:02,737
Yeah. No.
427
00:22:02,738 --> 00:22:04,531
- Oh, your debut.
- Oh�
428
00:22:06,199 --> 00:22:08,993
Yeah. You didn't remember.
429
00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,162
- I thought you were setting up a bit.
- I saved us.
430
00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:13,081
- I saved us.
- I thought you were�
431
00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:19,962
See,
that's what a geriatric experience is.
432
00:22:19,963 --> 00:22:21,797
- Oh.
- Yeah. Yeah.
433
00:22:21,798 --> 00:22:23,257
- No
- It'll be okay.
434
00:22:23,258 --> 00:22:25,134
- You haven't aged a day.
- Oh, yeah.
435
00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:27,261
Should I ask a question?
436
00:22:27,262 --> 00:22:28,847
No.
437
00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:33,852
You know, being a single parent.
438
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:40,399
I had�
It was my responsibility to kind of�
439
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,489
Not so much the facts of life,
but how to negotiate the facts of life.
440
00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:47,823
- Right.
- And�
441
00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:50,701
So one day,
when you were a sophomore, right?
442
00:22:50,702 --> 00:22:52,161
In high school.
443
00:22:52,162 --> 00:22:53,330
- Right.
- Yeah.
444
00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:58,084
I remember sitting at the kitchen table
in that little house we had,
445
00:22:58,085 --> 00:23:00,795
and� that we were renting.
446
00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:02,713
And�
447
00:23:02,714 --> 00:23:08,929
And decided that I need
to go over the idea of protection.
448
00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:13,057
And so I had�
449
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:14,476
I had some condoms.
450
00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:17,103
And�
451
00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:19,480
- Oh. Are you living through it again?
- No, I'm just, yeah�
452
00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:21,607
- I'm just letting the silence sit in.
- Yeah, 'cause�
453
00:23:21,608 --> 00:23:25,820
Give me your input as to�
I'm not sure you've ever given me your�
454
00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:31,200
But I think I must have had
some Coronas in the ice box.
455
00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:35,371
And so I took one of those.
I didn't use a banana. I used a Corona.
456
00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:40,960
So I was showing you
how to put the condom on it.
457
00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:43,337
I think I did it backwards or something.
458
00:23:43,338 --> 00:23:47,092
I don't think we need
to totally try to remember every detail.
459
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:52,513
Yeah, maybe. And so�
460
00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:55,850
And I started telling you about it,
and I said,
461
00:23:55,851 --> 00:24:00,396
"Well, just remember. There are two things
that can happen to you."
462
00:24:00,397 --> 00:24:04,776
"You could end up being a dad,
or you could be dead."
463
00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:06,777
- You know?
- Yeah.
464
00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:10,614
Which neither one were,
you know, very appealing.
465
00:24:10,615 --> 00:24:16,162
And so then I remember
I bought this huge box of condoms.
466
00:24:16,163 --> 00:24:19,123
- Yeah. Yeah.
- And I said, "This is for you."
467
00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:22,543
And you weren't 9
like you say in your stand-up.
468
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:25,504
You know, I hate to break your hearts
out there, but it's, yeah.
469
00:24:25,505 --> 00:24:28,299
- It was an excessive amount of�
- �condoms.
470
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,717
- Prophylactics.
- Yeah.
471
00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:33,262
- And
- I thought 2 would have been� efficient.
472
00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:35,097
I don't know. I didn't know.
473
00:24:35,098 --> 00:24:36,891
- Yeah.
- I said�
474
00:24:36,892 --> 00:24:38,810
"Girls�
475
00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:42,438
wanna fall in love."
476
00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:43,939
"And boys
477
00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:46,359
just wanna find a place to stick it."
478
00:24:51,114 --> 00:24:52,031
And I said--
479
00:24:52,032 --> 00:24:54,700
I think that was my high school
yearbook quote.
480
00:24:54,701 --> 00:24:57,870
- And that's what I told you.
- Yeah, I remember that.
481
00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:02,708
And then I also said,
"Keep the condom in your wallet."
482
00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:06,921
And that because in the heat of passion�
483
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:08,756
You know.
484
00:25:08,757 --> 00:25:10,299
You can't let that take over.
485
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,426
- You've gotta grab that wallet.
- Yeah. Yeah.
486
00:25:12,427 --> 00:25:14,845
And you did,
487
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:18,225
because I don't think
you had been sexually active yet.
488
00:25:18,975 --> 00:25:21,936
So what else we got here, Mom?
We got, let's see. There's�
489
00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:26,690
Let's see, wanna see another question. "Do
you have advice for other single moms?"
490
00:25:26,691 --> 00:25:28,567
Love your kids.
491
00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:30,819
Just love your kids up.
492
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:34,573
Because if you do that,
then you have this�
493
00:25:34,574 --> 00:25:36,659
You want to have a tight-knit group.
494
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:41,622
I had two kids,
and I tried to love everybody up.
495
00:25:41,623 --> 00:25:46,418
And I didn't always do
such a good job at it.
496
00:25:46,419 --> 00:25:51,173
Being able to buy the most expensive
vegetables as opposed to not,
497
00:25:51,174 --> 00:25:53,342
is not the end of the world.
498
00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:55,719
And you know you're gonna make�
get through it.
499
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,349
You just stay positive
and delight in your kids,
500
00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,060
because really, that's your job.
501
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:06,105
Well, this segues
into the final part of the interview,
502
00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:09,108
which, because we watched
Inside the Actors Studio a lot,
503
00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:11,110
in high school and college,
504
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:14,572
'cause we both just, you know,
love movies and acting and all that.
505
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:15,906
And�
506
00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:19,451
So I'm gonna do this last part
as James Lipton
507
00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:21,662
interviewing you
with all the questionnaires.
508
00:26:21,663 --> 00:26:24,081
The questions he would ask people
at the end of the episode.
509
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,542
Yikes.
510
00:26:26,459 --> 00:26:30,504
Somebody posted on Facebook
511
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:36,427
that you were our generation's answer
512
00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:38,596
to the new Robin Williams.
513
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:39,722
Whoa.
514
00:26:39,723 --> 00:26:42,975
- You posted that? You posted that?
- Take my hat off. No, you posted it.
515
00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:45,227
- And you didn't read the whole thing.
- I reposted it.
516
00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:47,313
- You reposted it.
- A fan posted that. That's right.
517
00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:48,939
- A fan posted that.
- That's right. Yeah.
518
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:53,110
You are good about sharing
and watching everything that I post.
519
00:26:53,111 --> 00:26:54,194
I'll give you that.
520
00:26:54,195 --> 00:26:55,696
- Oh, yeah?
- Yeah.
521
00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:57,364
I'll be home for the holidays,
522
00:26:57,365 --> 00:27:00,951
and you're just sitting there
watching videos that I posted 6 years ago,
523
00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:03,079
and you'll be like, "Remember that?"
524
00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:04,538
You're my baby.
525
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:06,625
"What turns you on?"
526
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:12,713
You babies. Being loved.
527
00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:14,591
"What turns you off?"
528
00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:19,429
Being treated badly.
529
00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:24,517
"What is your favorite curse word?"
530
00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:30,856
Oh, probably fuck,
even though it's not as intelligent
531
00:27:30,857 --> 00:27:33,025
as I would like for it to be.
532
00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:35,737
"What sound or noise do you love?"
533
00:27:41,785 --> 00:27:42,910
Kissing.
534
00:27:42,911 --> 00:27:45,622
"What sound or noise do you hate?"
535
00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:48,207
People arguing.
536
00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:50,417
- "What profession--?"
- Unless�
537
00:27:50,418 --> 00:27:54,630
When you and I argue,
we always end up laughing at the end.
538
00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:55,714
Yes.
539
00:27:55,715 --> 00:27:59,176
And then if we don't,
I always get an apology from you.
540
00:27:59,177 --> 00:28:00,094
Yes.
541
00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:01,845
Which is very sweet.
542
00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:04,932
Well, sometimes you drive me bonkers, but�
543
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:06,643
Yeah, well, back at you.
544
00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:14,400
"What profession other than your own
would you like to attempt?"
545
00:28:14,401 --> 00:28:19,071
I'd like to be back on�
doing movies or the stage.
546
00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:20,948
- Cool.
- Competently.
547
00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:23,117
"If heaven exists,
what would you like to hear God say
548
00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:25,370
when you arrive at the pearly gates?"
549
00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:28,915
"Good job."
550
00:28:32,585 --> 00:28:33,503
Thank you, James.
551
00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:35,629
I love you. Thanks for doing this.
552
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:37,381
Oh, I love you, baby.
553
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,300
Give me a kiss.
554
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:43,900
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