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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,630 --> 00:00:07,690 he is one of the world's best-known psychiatrists in the field of trauma and or 2 00:00:07,690 --> 00:00:13,000 whether it concerns domestic violence, sexual abuse or ptsd since his bestseller the 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,280 body keptte score we know that in addition to talking and medication the key to successful treatment 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,290 light in our body more than half of the Dutch have a traumatic experience 5 00:00:23,290 --> 00:00:29,110 had a conversation about living with trauma, his childhood in the hague and about the images that en 6 00:00:29,110 --> 00:00:34,150 during his life this is the ideal television evening of texel of the cabbage 7 00:00:50,830 --> 00:01:04,330 good evening welcome to the sixth and last summer guests of this season and in many ways 8 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:11,950 therapeutic episode with the healing power of shakespeare harry mulisch from alexander en 9 00:01:11,950 --> 00:01:18,790 psychiatrists saying yes to mdma in the summer guests evening of psychiatrist and trauma 10 00:01:18,790 --> 00:01:26,680 specialist quite from the cook just as welcome nice minutes they are back in the Netherlands for a while you are 11 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:33,550 born and raised here yes has lived in amelia for 60 years and what kind of bond do you still have with the netherlands 12 00:01:33,550 --> 00:01:40,720 wanted are always good colleagues of course because that country is married on studied and I 13 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:46,690 I still have two brothers here and some cell and family I come to the Netherlands every year how many are in 14 00:01:46,690 --> 00:01:52,990 asia am i' the netherlands mainly lost thanks to you is a little better and buyback 15 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:59,080 the dutch language do you mean yes yes was that so deeply sunk minus 60 years is very good in name 16 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,400 of you are still in contact with your family but I never speak the guest English Dutch 17 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:13,990 we just watched the nos news together and I can't I have to name it anyway you're in 18 00:02:13,990 --> 00:02:19,840 every news broadcast you are confronted with trauma for a long time I just said it in my 19 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,370 introduction more than half of the Dutch have ever experienced a traumatic event 20 00:02:24,370 --> 00:02:29,800 and in your book you also start and with a shocking summary I found one in five children 21 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:36,730 is sexually abused in 1 in 3 adult couples there is physical violence his eye on 22 00:02:36,730 --> 00:02:45,400 school can grades yes yes keep it just the money was when first i got your ps3 and the 23 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,460 memory closed shed made them so have an extraordinary event that almost never before 24 00:02:51,460 --> 00:02:56,140 contair en pietjes that is then notice that the english term wants to call an island that perverse 25 00:02:56,140 --> 00:03:01,150 post true light address in exchange they thought it almost never happens and that says something about us 26 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:07,390 although blind to groups wretched world there wasn't introduced with it when people thought 27 00:03:07,390 --> 00:03:12,190 that it is something very rare and or definition sows extraordinary event that hardly ever 28 00:03:12,190 --> 00:03:16,870 prevents his when was that but now he was made by noise 80 of 89 people thought too rare 29 00:03:16,870 --> 00:03:22,330 you know better and your mission is also to make the world better realize that 30 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:27,130 trauma is and what it does to people it is there is generally enough 31 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:32,620 eye do you think for the consequences of trauma in today's society that news they very well 32 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:38,950 example between is terrible happened they talk about the engineering questions for good 33 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:47,440 picture how the cars come nice yes but they are very about people and the very three things 34 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:53,050 where the people go they go so it becomes the engineer problem and that of priva how go 35 00:03:53,050 --> 00:03:59,230 we help these people to get over that yes yes they are very much talking about what happened 36 00:03:59,230 --> 00:04:04,150 your pension and the group very logical question you want to know what happened but I am 37 00:04:04,150 --> 00:04:11,110 mainly I am from autism what will happen to these people because for small piece high cans 38 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:16,420 in the mountain on the very they will be quite ready and after about six months and have 39 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:20,950 other thing to deal with it's expected everyone who goes hide and you just have to get there 40 00:04:20,950 --> 00:04:28,390 experience it and so the sympathy stops after a short ride yes and then you live your goal and you felt 41 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:34,750 keep your body going and that can make the rule of life difficult for you that is of course also 42 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:41,440 a year where your but your book red goes the body kits the score trauma we hear it a lot 43 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:48,640 have about trauma count but trace the effect on the body and yes what the causes 44 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,110 may be from trauma but you also wanted it to be a happy evening not one 45 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:57,790 evening only with doom and gloom and because to strengthen you want to start tonight 46 00:04:57,790 --> 00:05:05,140 with a comedy series daddle so series from appletv apple tv plus i have to say about a brand a 47 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:11,680 football coach paddle so the leaves for england to be there sunny without any knowledge of european 48 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,760 to start coaching football and premier league team it seems a bit like the CDs about sports 49 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:23,880 but it's not and because what is it all about ever i-phone great how subtle the so about 50 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:30,780 human relations and people exert their problems on each other and that you really need people 51 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:35,400 help to be able to bear on cards it is good for cards are all good team 52 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:43,170 and sports' directors and they sometimes very very good to really know good people about together yes those 53 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:49,440 group occasionally and more purchase house of coaches from primary school t is a baseball teams that me 54 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,990 also ask if they can handle arguments with people because many of these space speakers and 55 00:05:54,990 --> 00:06:00,990 are often traumatized then it didn't become anymore so we have to do what we help to make that one 56 00:06:00,990 --> 00:06:06,030 team building yes so it's not about the team building backstage and not 57 00:06:06,030 --> 00:06:12,510 so much about the football being in this series 0 yes we fall into it when coach gesso finds out 58 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:17,880 that the players think it brings bad luck to get into the massage room of the players to van 59 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:23,010 the players perish they think it's haunted the coaches bring the team together 60 00:06:23,010 --> 00:06:29,520 exorcise those ghosts by letting each player practice something personal in tablet zo 61 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:41,730 jeremy sew and by nature ghost muscle god aliens silent reaction t we live by our physical world dat 62 00:06:41,730 --> 00:06:50,730 we can tell you that we keep the exception the white and wisdom of cabinet slave 63 00:06:50,730 --> 00:06:58,830 was busy john 64 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:04,980 romance the scariest 65 00:07:12,030 --> 00:07:20,040 eyes quickly acting a microscopic and the Dutchman me feel grendha from 66 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:28,290 you the wider it was freezing en o sterre [ __ ] als [ __ ] nine summing 67 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:39,090 monitor the you can one is already board is it how jaime form tournament minus 5 en 68 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:46,920 now they last time so you see if the white ice on my for christmas is there where 69 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:53,850 planck i made a master degree sweep blanqui to ahab blanke campus iphone ipad air 70 00:07:55,980 --> 00:07:57,690 dus de picture of the nineteen eighty-four nigel 71 00:07:57,690 --> 00:08:05,100 location after the square soundcheck crimes to let themes or lesson in tents duet 72 00:08:08,690 --> 00:08:15,530 so and is of a bit standard the frisbee can be written 73 00:08:18,170 --> 00:08:19,400 south beach meubel step 74 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:31,640 sleeping sunshine combination of boat and the special kush white 75 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:43,130 pill to do satellite color in this lesson is antonia cornelia new job 76 00:08:51,980 --> 00:08:56,300 led tube at the thumping in some with susan and from tyotka 77 00:08:56,300 --> 00:09:00,230 [ __ ] is lost 78 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:08,280 is mike escalation was a lot of campaign for 20 79 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,360 may be Saint I believe it will take you there 80 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:37,390 Kees term longer unique 81 00:09:43,270 --> 00:09:43,690 can join 82 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,620 yes and my fist punch I'm a round with it 83 00:10:01,810 --> 00:10:11,080 susan i do people for usa stayed the medals desk pulses the section le on bbc series soon we 84 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:18,490 so out so when to make up red you do now a core of me no good susan smit de brt the lab 85 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:26,020 our calcutta mee Houtman stand in show and serve brian 12 is medical wittamer 86 00:10:26,020 --> 00:10:36,310 scored goal colony soft I go this now then my one your name anna anna he the day he 87 00:10:36,310 --> 00:10:45,850 hit no own then so join the woman 2 bis outs or the ingrid just a comic or tech en 88 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:50,320 high wonders sometimes 89 00:10:52,420 --> 00:10:53,680 africa of little fake bread 90 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,280 then he will find you want there 91 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:12,530 very dylan 92 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:19,730 corn oil body scrub you join this sparta site 93 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:23,240 make a label 94 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:42,500 smart moreover and beautiful yes why can you specifically do this scene in tesla so is the 95 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:48,710 last time jamie is very unpleasant character and nobody i want anything to do with him to 96 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:56,660 who is always cool and we constantly see this in practice, keep samples and that he is allowed 97 00:11:56,660 --> 00:12:01,730 no longer be weak what other than a slave becomes his father so he goes this life 98 00:12:01,730 --> 00:12:06,560 hi hat off and lb got once agree the oil went along and that's why he has no friends 99 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:13,640 and nobody wants to have anything to do with that but once she grows how that happened I go he 100 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:19,730 not only say therefore also become mixture but the people around them can say oh no 101 00:12:19,730 --> 00:12:26,210 won that sometimes you're such a [ __ ] but we'll beers a little different to do this so to really 102 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:32,960 to be able to tell the car makes it possible from people to carry each other busy 103 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:42,260 to be so that great creates that there is more understanding for the the as you call [ __ ] in the belt je and 104 00:12:42,260 --> 00:12:49,430 for all he is I see it as a psychologist is very good at getting the best out of people 105 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:56,060 and really see the weaknesses mature and help them use those weaknesses 106 00:12:56,060 --> 00:13:02,370 and use them against each other yes and how how does he do the ate because he doesn't just do that 107 00:13:02,370 --> 00:13:09,630 by abandoning his stuff in fiqh wanting it really isn't no he sees people he sees 108 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:16,260 how they have problems and did they do and so what you see is not necessarily all there is 109 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:22,290 with the jamie and even himself difficult strength but your being that has a lot of problems like that 110 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:28,470 may make the demo public may teach you not to be off as a species 111 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:34,650 yes so very stirring such story of the game is very nice part of tess lessons 112 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:40,320 and why is it so important for himself to speak those for those for that truth because you 113 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,180 it is too valuable so that they players get him in a different light sion and more sympathetic shape 114 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:51,270 and what does it do form gel but I want it right now willem the adlers revel itself happens 115 00:13:51,270 --> 00:13:57,510 in and jamie himself why is it good for him to say that truth he just throws i'm so scared 116 00:13:57,510 --> 00:14:04,860 to be battle I will always be finished and always scold people could otherwise become too weak 117 00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:11,880 and to live robot were crazy vulnerable yes and I may not fat version what the father beat rotten 118 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:17,460 if i were you vulnerable so i'm gonna do life couldn't hurt you and once you 119 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:23,130 see you have new possibilities to behave differently and you have learned that, for example 120 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:31,950 from coach gesso if you as a therapist to Friday well I hope to do that myself with my 121 00:14:31,950 --> 00:14:38,190 own team and more people where indeed is it true if you have 18 games apartment then say so 122 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:45,750 work stays for a very long time and so far and if you really understand being busy with people in a way you can 123 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:51,900 really help that they can both be themselves but also that they don't have this past but 124 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:59,850 always bring them into the present and make their own each other's lives miserable yes that their parents thoris them in 125 00:14:59,850 --> 00:15:05,190 the present was sitting in the brother and sister yes yes you also thought about it because the boys who 126 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:11,180 that or there is something they gave birth to a lot and attach to something that is a precious memory 127 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:15,560 sticks to what what would you yourself in that tongo you quite what it takes itself about 128 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:26,330 good was care so early on have that three hours to think about you smoke a 129 00:15:26,330 --> 00:15:32,300 acceptgiro ​​to come back to it let's go a little deeper into your field you want 130 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:37,280 diving and in particular the phenomenon of trauma with the pivot of feature film a 131 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:43,880 furnace see architect neck small shared by jeff bridges that speaks for itself 132 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,890 the scene for itself I think probably yes yes let's go watch fearless 133 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,830 and 134 00:16:36,420 --> 00:16:36,420 oh 135 00:17:45,850 --> 00:17:46,180 j ok 136 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:50,510 millions crash 137 00:17:54,930 --> 00:18:02,840 well the job is baby i would suffer the pain and such a moment with us learns that you are for baby 138 00:18:06,970 --> 00:18:07,960 and 139 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:40,500 a lot of views yes and that shows how like i things happen that people have different reactions 140 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:46,680 have and want to see lose only panic there is also know exactly where the panic flank is about 141 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:52,710 to she him I the tray a week gift degree in the physio article had her buizel all those things know 142 00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:59,640 off the brain and a lot of people on the other who knew show I care more about talking that 143 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:07,470 feel nothing at all they become completely calm and can continue despite terrible things 144 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:12,000 around is able to close so that's what we have no with the owner so see with 145 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,940 jeff bridges and the die sluis even make up the feeling body distract I look at what you at 146 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:25,110 you don't feel anything he doesn't feel anything during whole thing and that's one of the reactions to trauma is you 147 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:34,350 goes on for example and I sometimes teach on my foundation harvard where they are journalists 148 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:43,650 come to the window to do things and the on must regularly war correspondents from libya and 149 00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:52,620 syria and hurricanes are standing and now client and that sentence very quietly while they are busy with a job 150 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:57,240 in that customs bring that come into a game send to a beautiful building in thick 151 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:05,760 people you panic and they have their resins and thus prepared to function very well 152 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:13,980 under getting married but under ordinary circumstances go to brain heaven goes wrong so it wasn't 153 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:19,830 totally surprised with well sad for me that they got married war euro crineen understanding don't look at 154 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:25,920 the bay wrote live frieze he has one from paris again the a lot of the people with 155 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:34,360 the one who worked from hive is the one who has to go back to the building then his brain again what's going on with them 156 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:38,620 they are so used to that you are constantly in danger that they function with that expensive house number 157 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:42,070 this is you that too little call also stay with the fragment because this is a different one 158 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:47,470 situation this is a man who is not in some kind of professional setting or mode going anywhere 159 00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:54,010 goes and has to function there this is a man who unexpectedly finds himself in a situation that 160 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:58,960 seriously traumatizes him that can't be otherwise because he is full of happiness with that plane because he says he 161 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,540 gets to the question and sat win planes to youth no dude why why he thinks you 162 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:15,130 and I try to distance them yes and it goes very deep sink see to lie you say 163 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:21,250 oh yes yes I was there but felt this is not happening to me this happened to others 164 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:25,780 people around me it's the island catching the distance.that was social sea so an image my 165 00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:32,440 pants dissociation yes and they very good method to protect yourself from terrible things 166 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:39,160 we have I myself are also made of gold I got mugged quite tom kiehl's in my neighborhood that met 167 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:46,810 knives started stabbing and I saw how the if my profession oh now it's not on I happen very 168 00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:54,130 intellectually from the i also thought of o but when i the school would the netherlands i can very well 169 00:22:54,130 --> 00:23:00,250 draw when i go home pieces i can draw their face to the breese given and like a ze 170 00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:06,040 arrest i came home i forgot i didn't sign until 30 years old i don't add either 171 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:12,640 drawing but I was very much coming because I have a and family idea in my head no roof with it she is 172 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:19,330 people can do is you were attacked you were bit stabbed eyes stickler that you healthy 173 00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:26,980 blood my hand kindle steering wheel and ornament and immediate manager as well as track the thought 174 00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:32,620 and took in all the tooth of the situation ow [ __ ] I'm yes study this I'm getting interesting 175 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:37,910 day also immediately thought I recognized this I pronounced from my eggs yes the eye is allowed within my 176 00:23:37,910 --> 00:23:43,880 desk I was come can you prevent that here dissociation and what is a function of that this 177 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:50,480 socially so that you do not avoid anything full partners in the do not avoid through point for 178 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:57,170 way a lot of romanticized can you crazy skillful in the just carry on yeah like nothing happened 179 00:23:57,170 --> 00:24:02,000 and you can see that very clearly in that in in that you see in this scene and also later in the 180 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:08,750 movie it's really kind of kind of emotional numb the but that broad you later on i guess 181 00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:15,890 am always don't go to hide fall find you start warm of transition how come you think 182 00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:24,350 maybe partly because i put a lot of who to i have to deal with things big yeah 183 00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:29,810 everyone and each with you you turn and and no one is in danger that man died when with me 184 00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:36,680 happened see you did not look at me who children were good case for a bastard so it went to pray 185 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:43,460 but they adaptive do you also work a lot with people who are in a tin plane crashes 186 00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:49,130 for example line or a world and so you don't see dissociation either and it goes also think sometimes 187 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:54,800 not good either because then you often happen the light it is not good my pants surgeon learned 188 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,200 it all if you study with 6 see in frightened cases and you become completely 189 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:06,710 room that has to do that and then you learn not to have feelings that might make you 190 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:12,680 not such a sympathetic person with those people around you not a good resistance but make you a good surgeon yes 191 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:19,340 it was a bit off to you too maybe i think i was very dulled by my medical 192 00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:26,570 training yes but if your back report indeed yes so you don't teach them to have many feelings 193 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:34,010 and when how do you see in people that eventually that dissociation or that emotional numbness and well 194 00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:40,310 is missing because there have to come a moment that doesn't keep it up fun it becomes difficult to 195 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:45,530 proportions people to have in your course you go away so a lot of people happens 196 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:50,030 constantly dealing with soldiers between generations and no you can I do you don't want anymore 197 00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:55,730 love people throw good go away because you would tell because you we the morning so that 198 00:25:55,730 --> 00:26:01,400 is the body shape the score and that also comes from the cito your brain says it's decks 199 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:08,000 happened to me it was not bad yes but solution want you very very angry and suddenly you want friends from 200 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:17,420 a weird hey you act very scared and your house you close people so it's the background of you 201 00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:25,310 brain that we call the housekeeping or the body that he keeps marrying with reliving way but 202 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:31,520 your mind can absolutely do but we care I tell you I've only had three marriages 203 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:38,240 through marriage the new weapon with the the is something wrong with me that I enjoyed that woman 204 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,040 work out and then them because so a dyke because you have no feelings for the people you are with 205 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:50,810 because you're supposed to be emotionally numb yes and suddenly think of me we're always talking about trauma 206 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:55,370 but trauma is of course not it is not in the in the dsm in that official classification for 207 00:26:55,370 --> 00:27:02,180 to it's no matter I natural or diagnosis what's what's your definition of women pythius 208 00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:07,520 that is a diagnosis yes with it and posting buddy quiet to that is that is not faithful but still 209 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,700 do you see that is will you have the gelderesch the in the diagnosis you again yes they still have that 210 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:20,510 heartbeat turn to make the gondolas thanks you told it's only fun in 1980 yes this one 211 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:25,940 angle what do what bricks me in senses i've been happening very hard trying to get another diagnosis 212 00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:33,590 to get what more with child abuse has been that much more often yes a much deeper 213 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:39,410 deeper culture is quincy but right now you say trauma that's the best comparison 214 00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:46,070 with that post-traumatic stress syndrome you were your target yes I didn't have any liquid assets and 215 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:54,230 and how would you define that than warmer in the poor is an event you can handle completely 216 00:27:54,900 --> 00:28:01,920 and that overwhelms your whole brain and psychology so that you really don't move what you're doing jeff 217 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,650 pitch and he also knows more what you do no kind of zombie does he walk there and how if 218 00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:11,730 you jeff bridges max in this movie it's called his room would get how they handle it 219 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:24,150 this just also wrote psychedelic okay for that time not but how would I actually is 220 00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:29,310 that trying to listen to the story yes and I won't go into the psychedelic for a while 221 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:34,740 swan the damper go on lazy asses reduces psychedelic siri means an act of drugs 222 00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:41,190 mind-altering drugs you would bet on that now discover such a heart 223 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:50,130 with the throat like him yes where she is now euro feedback with people she comes him in brain 224 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:55,740 connection in the house to change yes now i think that is allowed you have to give me a new feedback you 225 00:28:55,740 --> 00:29:03,450 so can our technician good thoughts to be able to electroshop people their skulls your goal 226 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:10,350 stop and you can measure what the brain is doing and its the under which i can give you it on their computers 227 00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:18,090 show and thank you play a game with your own brain parts at each you as your brain 228 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:24,750 make good connection with each other currents and get a sound to abbreviate a deer 229 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:30,750 jumping out of the forest or ping a flower printer and so you recognize them this is good this is 230 00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:38,160 nice but you don't push it consciously but you went back the subtle signals signals and people around 231 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,880 encouraging them to make another brain area actions is actually what people get 232 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,000 electrons on a skull yes youtube solut yes and they do then they have to do you 233 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,420 produces on a computer yes we watch you a bit of traffic so you say well I have that 234 00:29:57,420 --> 00:30:02,250 don't talk to that so we had to social then any geer if that part with that did the party 235 00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:08,640 then something nice happens then you just let people reminisce about the event 236 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,950 music you notice by the brain how the worst things but those people this the the client 237 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:19,710 cell does nothing that swan where are the hard ones you try the winters go you just look 238 00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:26,550 a sudden cup of fries herschel classic blue think is the play or something and you lift I got the feeling 239 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:33,960 of yes that's right pages and cut together at home e hey when I say something and see you in front of you 240 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:40,530 look friendly he says I'm going to say more b with me a little more and if x is there is really so then 241 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:47,190 say i need to name him another the answers yes we are very and feedback dependent on feedback 242 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:53,250 of people so we can use this reasonable event to burn those brains 243 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:58,890 make connections to follow and let's take a look at the next fragment 244 00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:07,590 that is about a form of therapy slide also used now emdr eye movement desensitization and reprocessing 245 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:16,260 who they are since it is a smooth say and cried discharges you have also researched the 246 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:20,880 effectiveness wage and you again as a treatment method for ptsd but omari had the hope 247 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,340 before talking about the effect of those treatments very briefly what does it look like 248 00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:33,630 what do you do with a really nice current methods and if you for the first about say that completely 249 00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:39,060 insane that it's also my first reaction definitely more in action from my colleague street 250 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:48,090 and white double well can or the deep and and so me what for me will you who there was so important 251 00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:56,370 just a little bit what it looks like what you say here people remember what you saw 252 00:31:56,370 --> 00:32:05,070 don't tell me because once you are a tell your concentration becomes on you and not 253 00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:10,080 on yourself your starting point is, for example, that stabbing via so I won't say anything about the 254 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:17,850 stripe per theme I feel I put my all into there what do you see what do you still hear 255 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:24,990 what happens in your body what do you think about and you keep going in and say you ok 256 00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:35,010 cities and then you ask people for your weather hey yes raise fingers up and down organ zo 257 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:43,320 learn and then calm down and pull up ridiculous things that's what happened and then 258 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:49,560 it remains to be an incredibly good treatment that is the eye movement desensitization yes 259 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:56,400 so that yes like mambo jambo but it is there this kind the first you the time busy discovered that 260 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,230 the weird things sometimes work the first time you discover the weird things worked yes very 261 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:05,340 important you have included a picture of a client before and after and e-mail action 262 00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:09,540 seen so that emdr cecil himself that with those finger movements the case we do not see 263 00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:15,420 mine also with lights I understood at the bottom yes it would look like some gritty images 264 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:25,230 december 1994 and january 1995 why did you specifically choose this video video the die so good 265 00:33:25,230 --> 00:33:31,170 shows how a traumatic experience comes out of cissé and how the hardest do not heal you whole 266 00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:37,110 dramatically the two treatments and who sees a this video we see a woman who answered 267 00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:45,480 bring a friend yes a long time learning once we soft 80 I've never seen anything 268 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,750 that bloodless search then go watch this one weather session led by steven lerop 269 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,170 serbia exactly 270 00:33:57,610 --> 00:34:05,380 he was a red light and jerry's tree house in new life line for a short time electr article strip en 271 00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:14,800 risposta my life with red drivers in dogs that blank augustine grime and the traffic mine 272 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:27,640 life if there was a comedy au oh hello hello and know what kind of one that you put in the capsule it 273 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:35,800 girl started i come put some jules there protein cup throw that and omar push is a 274 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,590 list with each other has no media thinks he enjoys be descried have with tape formation 275 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:52,590 yes what character traits la charge yellow and are still pa sorry was 276 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:55,020 Koningslo the start with speakers the shed where we 277 00:34:55,020 --> 00:35:04,230 start behind a guideline on like with great perfecte my 278 00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:10,260 live at montreux they pressed each other I have him slack 279 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:17,390 hands new had to be able to do this more parents can I he knew 280 00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:23,160 respond 281 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:34,050 economy cesareo johnny my spmt more every year there is a peak and 282 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:47,310 anna sent in and so you can get high every day the brain after something about 283 00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:56,490 can you go back to mean we can we weekend and describe what we just saw yes maria 284 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,180 people have not seen fart so you when you sit the first seconds you say safe to her 285 00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:10,050 what I remember a moment she smells the shoulders hummel joya pro animal look 286 00:36:10,050 --> 00:36:16,470 because that of course I can also keep things yes yes exactly off the shoulders enough 287 00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:24,660 the vocal cords become very cool strictly it yes shoulders and she is going to breathe very fast a very 288 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:31,380 body treated zeeburg behaves like the very scared person and the superior our over 289 00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:37,680 prout becomes the bakers and you can see that in her body we all see our sky my eyes 290 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,680 don't need the can't make sense here yes and what you see is that the more she talks about the more 291 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:50,280 the body relive what is going to happen hey 6 tells a story about your car happiness and 292 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:57,990 you see cissé the feet move as if they are pressing those drems again and the more the over 293 00:36:57,990 --> 00:37:04,380 talk the wall bad luck nagging it no different and and the last TV here since all the way so yes 294 00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:12,270 and then company says right thinks indeed often therapy is that what it is talk about it a lot yes and 295 00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:18,210 that's between those the growth rings on the shower not always not always how long is she pause 296 00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:24,990 important but that option de devillé do much more did have a mauve cheese yes but you see 297 00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:33,150 a time see the person completely scared scared sitting like this and so you as long as we return your body itself 298 00:37:33,150 --> 00:37:40,350 like that you can't relax but another keeps it locked and when i saw that 299 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:47,820 that's exactly what happens to all my patients as soon as they go deeper into the entrance she becomes baker and scared and wild 300 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:56,310 talk less about the driver c there is a lot of fear and self-hatred suddenly and the I am so 301 00:37:57,330 --> 00:38:03,720 trained as the psych were now a jump luck and talk but about we go yes and if al 302 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:11,460 soon discovered that the talk about often don't go away you have to do this differently because the body 303 00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:17,310 keep acting like it's on and you it's lord cover your brain oh yeah 304 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:24,600 i creatures long ago but your body bitter team so what you're actually saying is surfing them 305 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:31,350 she talks about a memory and because she is reminded him of that event, that reacts 306 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:37,350 body as if it takes place in the present if we use student anyway and that is the definition of 307 00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:45,840 thrones am in now happening now so over but it wont be reminder for what happened it 308 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,120 becomes a reliving and reliving and every time you think of it remained polite in the every you 309 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:58,590 want or when you hear a sound that reminds you of your thinker or sees something that reminds you about you 310 00:38:58,590 --> 00:39:05,910 something is to on all about sensory input yes it is about how things enter the brain and then 311 00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:11,700 do you get that other boss being the brain that then evokes the emotions of greenport ik 312 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:18,570 think I'd more than sting you their want you all over again that anxious scared terrible 313 00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:23,520 angry person you were then yes but this is an example of a successful EMDR treatment 314 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,120 is it 4 weeks between what what happened in the meantime to so that with those then like 315 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:40,590 yes but you can explain to me because happened she happened what saw your onesie ring and then pushed 316 00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:49,430 ibood muntz and then your body enters say so is happening well and continues on 317 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:56,720 that moment you get another day 10 years brain come mind' come and that sometimes sometimes not with 318 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,080 the came to do for example has herself the first time and i am the heart but she is whole 319 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:12,410 requests happened to me and where perhaps daughters in him a professional and scare 320 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:20,480 hard i start to do so and so hair and i sit i him picture of my family dinner 321 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:28,820 dinner together next week comes in my brother and I who walked together to 322 00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:35,930 school passed a tennis court I told you that pebbles through the windows of tennis court big 323 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,070 he comes running faster than i got caught here and do is i wanna see think i got caught 324 00:40:43,070 --> 00:40:50,180 then broke drugs pieces name and followed my boy pranks where boys have next time 325 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:56,390 I the idea of ​​how we played together in the much green bright school for a while shoe things came up 326 00:40:56,390 --> 00:41:04,340 and then went back to the original rings she goes what happens after his voice neighborhood garden 327 00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:09,770 too tired to continue it just became a memory you found more in 328 00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:15,110 take your ass more distance from the traumatic ones here take more distance so it was gone 329 00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:21,350 why enjoyable event we all have no it was just click still a 330 00:41:21,350 --> 00:41:26,330 kind of magic out so my wrassle in all those in line yes but you are already doing scientific 331 00:41:26,330 --> 00:41:31,700 was rules flirt with needed no there is nothing wrong and lending club but i want what you are too 332 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:35,690 sciences so far and certainly you down already lies in on my research for the most acidic research 333 00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:41,060 for the national mate this over and over again yes so you can also explain to me what it really does 334 00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:48,050 with you a shipping company that there is problem because so we have a very good examine how well it worked 335 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:57,260 yes for adults how much or the harmony that happens once people mature but it 336 00:41:57,260 --> 00:42:04,060 did not work for child abuse no yes so what happens to you it does happen is good for 337 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:08,620 people who are dramatized for the first time and then turned back to a name 338 00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:14,050 it took more 15 years to raise enough money to learn some or what's in it 339 00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:19,210 the brain happens but you can hardly explain to me what the theory is behind mtr or it 340 00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:24,910 with hemispheres theory theories about with those places not exactly courses so me with jenny 341 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:30,850 tells me use elastic methods do and I use it under work but how it works at 342 00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:36,130 the me even as a neuroscientist I now know the opposite I know how it works only took 343 00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:41,530 me 15 years to berate skin to do this research yes because no more had any 344 00:42:41,530 --> 00:42:45,520 interested but can you explain to me how they also imitate an ice cream I would named and and 345 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:52,690 when we see people is a prince and steps then we see a change in the temple kreisel 346 00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:59,260 junction that she's a part of the brain that make you feel this is going to happen to me and it 347 00:42:59,260 --> 00:43:05,980 outside new connection to the left insula that lets you know what your body is happening 348 00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:12,130 is another change with the threshing lesson on is our cortex that you feel away again in this too 349 00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:18,700 sometimes off on not off and and year if you talk to us the new of hoe yes but what I understand 350 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:23,740 is so you are you point to your right half yes so a right brain sends a signal 351 00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:30,850 to the go so signals are passed in the brain while your eyes move on that there 352 00:43:30,850 --> 00:43:36,220 so that thing you thin the scanner and you're going to care people and see what's going on in the brain 353 00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:42,400 happen what kind of new villain you hear the circuitry need to be opened new connections 354 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,860 gaal and you connect yes yes and that makes you feel more distance to that is why very in 355 00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:54,940 therefore by being aware of yes this happened to me but it happened a long time ago and 356 00:43:54,940 --> 00:44:00,580 those feelings come and the back but dare go brave very good very can because your brain orphans 357 00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:05,670 it's growing in the past it's not part of 2 it's it's not happening right now yes you have to 358 00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:12,570 less money this leg circus it so next year they're there barely present there with you one me it 359 00:44:12,570 --> 00:44:18,240 about was for nice or not so nice whatever but are no clear images no 360 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:24,360 the deep feelings the separation unless you something quite an option is going to happen to you and but that is 361 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:32,250 just become memory going to change by but then mouse memory don't change and that's it 362 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:37,590 problem the trauma is those same things kept coming back go to have your memory 363 00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:43,920 don't change you say that's why paint see this chip because the first take you see this leave a die is 364 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:51,480 totally back in that car accident and see your second part and sister just tell story and she 365 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:58,440 talk like she's talking from the teleporter yes it's a distant remembered their body is we come here 366 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:05,820 and not there and that bottom put a huge what happens in the brain that you can take care of them 367 00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:11,160 becomes something with the past and that becomes with the present because married once about it's ram 368 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,140 not about the events chervet happened because the event but agree 369 00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:24,660 your brain can't appreciate knowing this happened early then and not now that's the problem 370 00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:31,620 it foams and you can experience a trauma as an individual, but it can also be done as a family as a collective 371 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:37,800 or even as a country apartheid inflicted deep wounds on the people of south africa and the man who 372 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,810 had to make a restart with the healing of this lived was archbishop desmond tutu 373 00:45:43,710 --> 00:45:49,350 he led the truth and reconciliation commission and who does cancellation in short trc and a very 374 00:45:49,350 --> 00:45:54,720 very short what was the purpose of that truth commission once again very so I was me 375 00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:02,760 a consultant I never dig helpful but you're quite happy to have been more busy and a 376 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:08,470 problem was that man in south africa knew very well what happens in india when going to the 377 00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:16,870 partition had the millions of people through both and you said when our country is born it becomes real 378 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:23,920 violence they we invite the come over it's the tsi passed mainly because we can de 379 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,070 telling the truth and asking forgiveness from each other are volcanic killing and if your south africa 380 00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:37,660 knew 33 such an incredibly dangerous country in 1992 and people can't wait to see all those white 381 00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:47,500 to kill people yes very understandable but trueview and find models and alice remia 996 382 00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:53,950 that boys become m yes they occupied blood have a safe country yes and the procession became the big drum it 383 00:46:53,950 --> 00:47:01,750 european so soon I've ever met a disco unloading oh yes with therapist or your heroes no 384 00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:06,820 I am I think I want more about your involvement that's why there's that's why there's no such violence 385 00:47:06,820 --> 00:47:13,180 happens due to model out due to me because they really people have worked so hard to make them 386 00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:20,980 help gosh I understood you I see you you went here and it really happened yes here is 387 00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:26,170 heard you are heard and the cio clear so we are going to look at an excerpt from a 388 00:47:26,170 --> 00:47:33,310 documentary about the desmond to two children of delights who passed away last year this my triturus 389 00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:40,510 planning to hang martin fastest models from saint elite the second legislation condition 390 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:50,410 stumping who deeply believed in c how it already on guest an invoice that is not cool we have 391 00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:56,710 martin no we also have to piss in the ai the flood to point him out commission has made 392 00:47:56,710 --> 00:48:02,950 a post and pernicious medical communion ange my rights violations investigator at guests die 393 00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:13,120 average 319 pieces that and then see after a title i believe you all concrete sign the red cross 394 00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:25,180 in the processor feeling to share the story's the commission clear bottle screening of a thud 395 00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:34,030 1519 ninety-six of coals his job to his wife and i 4 minutes in a lot of black him 396 00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:47,770 how think what time this was it ella is doing to do my job well here broods in that 397 00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:54,970 star camping and that's person who bet me baby girl the mass public squirt and 398 00:48:54,970 --> 00:49:01,420 out again if you ate in the pier big but boys and amy body can see him while a 2 minutes 399 00:49:01,420 --> 00:49:09,580 after sweating rabbit in the just slightly the for glass and lifting technique backs cognition if 400 00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:16,990 you enable back and no one is nature pain of treat you describe sander der deutschen word 401 00:49:16,990 --> 00:49:23,260 become me sleep this is expensive tells the education and forget about disney but your link on the left about 402 00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:31,150 my bike enters head to win whole comes just for 10 bucks what i need is a high june state 403 00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:41,770 and push her ac power lines often have if you wish to work out apple cake in africa 404 00:49:53,270 --> 00:50:00,590 so was the last how the knife and that's itami he could against demons there 405 00:50:00,590 --> 00:50:07,790 just it crispy needs the geerings lantern format and the testimony was 406 00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:16,130 earring do you want him in an old was a sentence in so can do a 407 00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:26,240 impressions why how could give the cost 408 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:34,220 or criticize the plans 409 00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:47,030 its that position know the beeping brothers like girls that is super specific for here with 410 00:50:47,030 --> 00:51:02,060 mm candy tree what is b to if you have a cow in rehabilitation as tissue mine and symbolism not 411 00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:18,470 15 have not been there so process is on you cool to solo historical that this is something we still 412 00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:37,250 officially underestimate and around 1610 want to do with your baby boys best to the girls and a16 and the show 413 00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:44,840 is complete and pietje is possible on the consumer light4nations 414 00:51:50,180 --> 00:52:04,560 he to most solid form and you have me was castile disturbance massimo 415 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:13,350 tourism is here list add here you go mama 416 00:52:13,350 --> 00:52:28,170 is good so after limiting can quote record chinese I do 417 00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:32,070 or war was commission already know my conclusion 418 00:52:32,070 --> 00:52:38,730 those leads out the same 419 00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:47,910 he says women talk what makes them special he was such a people dancing with 420 00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:55,470 people hey pray with people it wasn't just parents who take important me me me too 421 00:52:55,470 --> 00:53:01,620 listen he sympathized and when it became too much what it regularly wonders 422 00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:08,640 which series let's sing together let's dance because telling the story is too difficult often 423 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,430 because once you tell a story, all the heartfelt ones come back into your body and you feel like it 424 00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:19,080 it happened again and then it continues all the way because he felt in his own body too 425 00:53:19,950 --> 00:53:25,650 counted in listening was an understanding oh sorry I can't figure out so much he sports a years species 426 00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:32,640 last sing together let's dance together so he went what a bee we call that pengy you read 427 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:39,690 goes into the trauma and when it gets a lot comes out she something that makes people feel safe like 428 00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:46,530 sing or dance and and we add one with people and you understand for your will and then you go on 429 00:53:46,530 --> 00:53:55,500 but the your safety brought was incredible by singing and dancing so it's about the healing 430 00:53:55,500 --> 00:54:02,610 power of your lord the count of the breath of the community the healing power to work together 431 00:54:02,610 --> 00:54:10,320 be and that ping want art a very big hollow music has always been used to kill people amari 432 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:17,650 to help and what is that what what is that healing power of, for example, john and dance what what what 433 00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:24,250 do that with someone who is traumatized the piece you give what you don't 434 00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:30,280 enough map is the mothers with children who play are like a child little baby whole 435 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:39,100 look very unhappy then you fly darcy you sing with the baby have so singing is music 436 00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:46,210 older than language lullabies year needed yes o holy that you do the mother who prune about 437 00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:53,710 the whole world how does the matter which kikuchi coach celebrate and so we do hey cindy hope for the 438 00:54:53,710 --> 00:55:00,250 scene she on the intestines teach you negative 140 people to sing together to to your life care 439 00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:06,640 can deal with numbers it's we make music together is an enormously powerful way in which people 440 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:13,060 connects we have this so came back from south africa and the students meeuwis just came 441 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:19,840 back from a chance and can and cambodia i did it to him sometimes weird africa sense and has more movies 442 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:26,860 from cambodia and they were all singing tie they knew something we don't know yes that's here 443 00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:35,020 at I was they move as advisor ok good I not lazy archive went among other yes now I am a 444 00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:40,780 little way but then if you pass your job there or if you go then y lipgloss so they paid forms 445 00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:49,000 trip was not allowed to tell have now the talked and all the members of the club was true are what 446 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:55,780 she the trouble path yes like some kind of advisor those hammers they all knew but yes you want you 447 00:55:55,780 --> 00:56:00,850 don't make a role too big what you hear now I understand no one would do a role well and how do you know after that 448 00:56:00,850 --> 00:56:08,650 if as 0 fans this might be a bit stiff in the hip and the therapist that suddenly there was dancing and 449 00:56:08,650 --> 00:56:15,760 sung do well and then me when I left holland enter where you went what also 450 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:23,070 which influenced it so i forgot greenish pretty good dances and i learned that the 451 00:56:23,070 --> 00:56:31,110 also some music transcending just mean white man him pretty good yes but you would it right away 452 00:56:31,110 --> 00:56:36,600 for me that they don't care about crazy if i only lived my netherlands want become shock 453 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:44,340 then you had the guesses to create your own that I discovered very much that each has every culture 454 00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:52,260 his own way come with hot beasts they are and the zero de parturen bit of culture is like us 455 00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:59,580 feel bad then drink we was him that my culture of western people that was so real 456 00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:06,720 feel take weather image is there eh yes and that is now the sad normal in psyche if you have a 457 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:15,480 fresh take pill and from people have learned the tour yes sometimes and the pills number me sometimes 458 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,950 a ship better to sing the dance of singing and dancing together and that the and him and that 459 00:57:19,950 --> 00:57:28,170 actually reminds you of how your mother didn't have you my mother when I think now yes 460 00:57:28,170 --> 00:57:34,920 a country where counting if you are born every day by the hundreds then I think and also rene name is too 461 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:41,940 a little later can texas yes yes where did she go no no more side happens terrible' abortion 462 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:47,790 people the separate say that women are no longer boss in their own bellies tomorrow that and that your children 463 00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:56,280 must have although you have those children so rape 70 terrible yes my link whole 464 00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,380 the knight to remember that we have a then and our editorial of first conversations with you 465 00:58:01,380 --> 00:58:10,680 via kiss then you had just finished a jungle with kiev with people who were hiding in there 466 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:18,090 one to keep the under glass yes and you talked to that for 9 kissing years after what do you say name and 467 00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:23,580 insects worked a lot or luydens terrible is going to happen and and for name I will say 468 00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:30,150 she you have to keep doing things together have to reach his meals you have to have kids for you 469 00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:38,010 children reading must was when you must do many things because when you themed the you feel physically 470 00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:44,880 so helpless and they came out end physical experience of the is nothing i can do to matter 471 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:51,600 change so your body is not allowed to be paralyzed actually so the first of go people hair 472 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:59,280 mother kept doing something what do those people want to do if they can pull such a tunnel there they can do it 473 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:07,080 make bed they can even sing make music together but you have to do something also could you connect 474 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:13,500 with my other people go get the billig there so if you have obligatory or art ben p 475 00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:19,980 all your everywhere baby is much easier for you because you see something and you are going to do something about it so you 476 00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:25,980 becomes much less talented except up the course where you could do nothing so ask yes 477 00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:32,640 if you have the idea that you are just and if you envy the absurd if you what comes target yes 478 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,970 whatever ocean do because of course what you said before people are locked up and actually have to 479 00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:46,440 you unlock yourself yes the natural reaction is mine hear your child she is murdered 480 00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:53,640 of feet i'm hopelessly out of it are virtues gestures that are always gestures of drama fishing 481 00:59:53,640 --> 01:00:03,570 yes from paralysis all link archive paralyzed and so if you study him if you are with him see all 482 01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:08,460 terrible things but you are deservedly taught if something happens day more then you do that 483 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:16,140 and if we do you that is and if we find a three years you'd be here with burnt them 484 01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:21,620 would only have limits but when i take my medicine they say whole thing ok sickle 485 01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:26,810 i am baby gift by but i can do that and i can do that and do that and become because of it 486 01:00:26,810 --> 01:00:33,500 ends one ends the motions stand in the way to continue we experience but once you say I am 487 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:41,960 it completely helpless and then your body becomes heaven paralyzed and you and 60 years career as 488 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,310 therapist you have actually done neuroscientific research you have witnessed a 489 01:00:46,310 --> 01:00:51,290 number of important developments and new insights within your field and for one of 490 01:00:51,290 --> 01:00:56,120 These important new insights we go back to 1960 a documentary about the so-called 491 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:03,470 bonding theories and one of the founders of these is John Bouwbureau and a scientist who 492 01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:10,520 trying to prove barbies theory was henrich arlo and then go and watch the cbs program 493 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:18,350 conquests the episode about noise harlow's investigation titled motherless with my storio 494 01:01:18,350 --> 01:01:35,510 e-reader than a brass wire what well here arno but and reading on a wire but very baby living 495 01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:46,730 in london and wire mother bye oh 496 01:01:46,730 --> 01:02:04,820 oh my bae 497 01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:13,910 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 498 01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:18,800 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 499 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:27,350 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 500 01:02:27,350 --> 01:02:35,570 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 501 01:02:35,570 --> 01:02:41,840 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 502 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:47,780 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 503 01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:55,910 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 504 01:02:55,910 --> 01:03:03,320 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 505 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:12,530 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 506 01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:21,500 bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae bae 507 01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:31,310 bae bae this is on purpose square your with a child ayse have on with the bank in the much more managing 508 01:03:31,310 --> 01:03:42,200 who need almost every looking we speak hey welcome to a high level peter this with 509 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:52,130 just 510 and strange a warm where the baby makes stupid but fair in well let sperm children again 510 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:13,940 needed ali b yes-r in a setting become with wet you guys it 511 01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:23,240 well always the baby material and product white now 512 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:34,760 this with notes by een warm-up daps hoi ali blog 513 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:38,120 4000 in the helps much 514 01:04:45,810 --> 01:04:50,370 well we don't talk we have the talk but because of them 515 01:04:50,370 --> 01:05:06,300 youngest shift can the region 5 on the wire mother earth kim sit topless in the night in 516 01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:14,460 the weather restrictions shirt but rather easy where we know the reduction and on a new cycle' 517 01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:22,710 with contact camps so i could get will that is weather warden passion and teacher purchase 518 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:31,410 buddy miller have pear so wrong but god and who else would not have bart hermsen century 519 01:05:31,410 --> 01:05:43,890 china angry on the track and in best devis brings news where first well bharmal i seriously p 520 01:05:43,890 --> 01:06:01,980 I don't know how normal and happy monkeys in a laboratory you but let's leave that for a moment 521 01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:08,490 disregarded that was the most important insights hd interest admit it transport 522 01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:16,740 very saw when I was at lecture and it is indeed that monkeys that have contact through and that 523 01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:23,460 go they have more contact north than they need food security yes and and de 524 01:06:23,460 --> 01:06:30,240 the affiliation and the contact with a relationship is so terribly important and until then 525 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:37,890 psychology had paid little attention to it eggerik tot balberghe came a ball bihar be there 526 01:06:37,890 --> 01:06:46,020 two sides of self drink it that showed how we deeply attached w primate are each other or 527 01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:56,320 of safety frank very much of rhythms and touch feed your body with each other and that is indeed 528 01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:02,470 important hey eyes interesting example in psychology means to recommend someone nothing 529 01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:07,540 we don't do that when treating people you don't deal with your monuments as a therapist 530 01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:16,180 generally not no as we will see what that is important to learn to take care of your body 531 01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:21,400 safe to do feeding with other body is a very important part of having a scrape 532 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:27,970 happen yes because what we see here is like a baby monkey in this case that group 533 01:07:27,970 --> 01:07:33,580 who feels that security and that safety, then that brain specializes 534 01:07:33,580 --> 01:07:39,880 so other than then he dares to play and to discover the i.e. I just want to play 535 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:46,390 if you feel safe you can discover limmen if you work you feel safe and that happens and otherwise that 536 01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:54,040 missing then people become very constrictors are there on time then they do not open and new 537 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:59,650 things and don't want to learn new things because they try them bang funny de klinge 538 01:07:59,650 --> 01:08:06,100 to what what are better but they don't mind about new things yes and then if they do 539 01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:11,140 then don't experience so no security no warmth than one that mothers own wire iron wire 540 01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:17,560 you, for example, then they incur attachment damage and how long does something like this continue 541 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:24,910 it tasted say the by the by which full generation to generation 542 01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:32,020 if you don't get so i have very hard to teach your kids to hold them 543 01:08:33,130 --> 01:08:40,000 sometimes mac like gardo can also be lethal if a cubes have some children animals them 544 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:45,940 slowly because to touch their children it was not had to cleave in between squiggles 545 01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:51,190 glasses yes t security did not feel that not they very environmental work in it was not about 546 01:08:51,190 --> 01:08:56,830 all the warm I also know a number of people who have become very good nurses 547 01:08:56,830 --> 01:09:03,850 the whole good warm people leather jackets that had nothing arguing glamor the you can't they 548 01:09:03,850 --> 01:09:09,580 this follows that no and some people again for this I never had I myself take care of that people 549 01:09:09,580 --> 01:09:16,000 with whom I work got it so I'm going to specialize now that happens doctor and so here it is 550 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:22,090 force that attachment theory based on what time that theory is that an unambiguous something of 551 01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:25,750 immediately kill well we are several things has this thing because I also have a score of 552 01:09:25,750 --> 01:09:32,590 attachment styles are the ones that came out of this with it was possible that bob is working with my so know movie 553 01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:40,840 in much more from today that going on a form pass and so is the boxer he like you 554 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:47,020 nothing gets so small child are a number of possibilities one of is feeling but no division 555 01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:52,720 so you feel constantly abandoned and you may february you make people fear her mad at you 556 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:59,920 go but people know you need something the other one is that ring but not feeling juliet 557 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:07,690 not to have feelings like you get jeffreys so here's ice cream truck fart lot of important ones 558 01:10:07,690 --> 01:10:13,000 people who have world that it feels so nothing for other people but boy she is very good at 559 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:21,700 rational things to do yes but backgrounds warm emperor do not come no and yet if I here 560 01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:26,170 Look, I don't quite understand one thing because you have your own thread mother and those fabrics 561 01:10:26,170 --> 01:10:30,460 mother but it's not true that a soft piece of cloth is the same duke as cuddling like 562 01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:36,400 interaction so you can't have a baby and if their mother goes to the office for a week on a 563 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:42,280 put a soft pillow and that is security is dry than the value of the subject people 564 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:49,660 need votes yes points need actions feelings your samchun sometimes it was 565 01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:57,220 the beginners beginning of john bowlby a label of my friends do you so ceracraft yes and that 566 01:10:57,220 --> 01:11:02,920 sounds so terribly logical but you already said when he studied washable people that is 567 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,450 totally unaware that can lower he is still allowed if you have a fly correct device 568 01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:15,640 wood find america or in the netherlands nobody let you do to nobody what my trip so they fascinate 569 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:20,950 to tell me you should think better about edited so we have the we have that attachment theory 570 01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:26,320 but we still haven't really learned from it I was shocked we learned very little from yes yes so they in 571 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:34,090 in of the I was anyway to find bobby and that sea little orwell's book or a magic for is direct 572 01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:39,670 like from the people of mix social classes in england you are all sending away to these 573 01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:48,460 topics cools ge 267 and we all know nothing about bonding because the only got no 574 01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:55,960 so educate your school desks no cuddling and conquer the world and especially the world in a 575 01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:02,170 hour yes then we sat yesterday he harlow himself can also fall and praise distraught you dance too 576 01:12:02,170 --> 01:12:07,270 so it also has your own theory not very interesting is also i have three of my good ones 577 01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:13,210 friends sea were students of his, they do not have more the you to him as a person too 578 01:12:13,210 --> 01:12:20,800 yes difficult person but still a lot of things we go through my was not a nice father no but me 579 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:28,690 want such a good boss must what do you manage rational with way to approach this yes we 580 01:12:28,690 --> 01:12:33,760 stay with the parent-child relationship with your choice film the film that will be in after this broadcast 581 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:39,910 is broadcast in full ingmar bergman classic by ian alexander but later completely spoiled the 582 01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:47,020 of the film is about a very ins sun the swedish family old bow biography family and i become 583 01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:51,760 burg my who so gets biography and holes a little bit about your own life and i know exactly 584 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:58,420 how it actually youth is there many ways very nice family doing fun things and then 585 01:12:58,420 --> 01:13:08,650 swords killed she his mother remarried to a terrible vicar who bit she like so 586 01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:17,170 their Dutch sometimes are hard that good that bad hard that they really mistreated then 587 01:13:17,170 --> 01:13:23,850 you see young boys treated by themselves but they together and that fanny to something 588 01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:30,390 the have each other I think the workman see the will they can still say this is really on 589 01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:37,710 it happen and once you're one you're crazy it's was as a kid got so don't 590 01:13:37,710 --> 01:13:43,980 know that this happens not because they are wrong as a child for you always this happens too 591 01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:50,220 discover are bad person but because they have each other they can really see the truth for it 592 01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:54,480 talk to each other and he can talk and she can see what is happening 593 01:13:55,290 --> 01:14:02,850 we fall into it the moment that playful and cheerful theater is the father of van jan alexander 594 01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:08,280 died or and their mother has indeed remarried with divisions as you told 595 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:15,180 strict pastor after this broadcast this film can be seen in its entirety funny and alexander 596 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:35,900 cover I look at you well they caught them and they threw a story for it or it 597 01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:43,610 weekly there are those who have drowned and he thinks that he will die and become bartel and his mother 598 01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:49,670 says oh I give my time we have it nicer and then you get the whole piece 599 01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:57,470 and marry and loyalty we are normal very loyal people so we must belong to someone 600 01:14:57,470 --> 01:15:03,620 you must have it at home when you are a child and after those poor children who think they 601 01:15:03,620 --> 01:15:09,770 will be tortured to death and my mother has chosen this terrible one at the moment 602 01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:16,220 husband and mother no longer protects and so they are alone in the world and then you have to 603 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:21,650 find in a form way an adjustment to such and this to live this all forgiveness while you 604 01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:28,700 I'm terrified of that gentleman and usually what happens in such a case is that a child says this 605 01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:35,360 happens because I'm a bad person then you get a lifelong feeling there's something wrong with 606 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,440 me otherwise she would never drop that to me give you a child if she blames herself 607 01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:48,260 yes then you succeed give no choice we know you no other realities happens in mind that 608 01:15:48,260 --> 01:15:54,740 your parents who must love you don't that's the somewhere then lily and selden 609 01:15:54,740 --> 01:16:01,610 countries are possible suspect I have a video or small so you that our cent that also and 610 01:16:01,610 --> 01:16:08,330 i say what a nice kid i am you and he says he is grandfather are still billion 20 of 611 01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:13,130 my age and i've watched them all and i for worse i'm pretty good but its many 612 01:16:13,130 --> 01:16:20,510 kids know this when i say to with you are very beautiful yootje then becomes reality and if 613 01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:25,670 the counts say you're a little bastard I where I was born here that's it becomes you any more 614 01:16:25,670 --> 01:16:35,540 possible you can compare this no pierci good angle good science and this go those kids in 615 01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:42,580 that case itself is finished the feeling of this happening to me because so really [ __ ] ben becomes 616 01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:49,720 if the case that the strong but for back human you you can be in this look good is that 617 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:54,700 that may not have happened because of your neck sanne each other brains we are going to explain that they 618 01:16:54,700 --> 01:17:01,959 have each other so they can talk to each other so then he is a bad man and so not because you 619 01:17:01,959 --> 01:17:10,029 your photos and third that have their other reality but if they don't get work around you 620 01:17:10,030 --> 01:17:15,459 test reality more can so discover other than the heavens friend let you other 621 01:17:15,459 --> 01:17:21,549 work yes but if no one says is not your fault a mini bad then you are stuck there 622 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:30,820 is that is that loneliness of such a story you can't share sometimes maybe almost 623 01:17:30,820 --> 01:17:41,020 worse than what really happened the previous book for this one uses them a lot word dammit 624 01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:48,550 god damn sure because of his good name for nadia you so my god my god why do you have toilet 625 01:17:49,060 --> 01:17:56,620 she felt very deeply me very deep loneliness I am different I don't hear you I like you well 626 01:17:56,620 --> 01:18:02,500 i'm a bad person i deserve what happens to me and that becomes what problem if 627 01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:08,680 you get bigger yes and actually they are each other's rescue here than the brother and a sister 628 01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:16,390 yes more or less they help each other yes yes i will understand that i had to you too small chance 629 01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:21,850 Go for a walk which immediately read your book cells and in your book you write about your own 630 01:18:21,850 --> 01:18:28,180 childhood and your own father corner around the man every morning I every morning while the rest of 631 01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:32,170 the family still slept softly down the stairs before walking to pray and read the bible 632 01:18:32,170 --> 01:18:37,720 reading so horribly hot-tempered how come someone whose life was so devoted to the pursuit of 633 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:45,580 social justice carry so much anger no matter how she saw your father's anger 634 01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:53,880 out that the laurels like if this priest have you ide so it must be absolutely not 635 01:18:53,880 --> 01:19:01,530 with water so the same in camp and very early what kind of place and was 2020 work camp I wimpie 636 01:19:01,530 --> 01:19:08,490 she rest assured my laces do not want this order much away and not even until a jew both went on 637 01:19:08,490 --> 01:19:15,750 other people grandeur dutch share other things and obey my father one rule 638 01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:22,920 sin speaks against speaking and as 3 wood growth she said to my father father have sat a camp 639 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:28,260 to fight 30 but do it now do it yourself with your own children like the nazis did to you 640 01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:36,090 very early start what I of this is not right was a commander of that your advice no own 641 01:19:36,090 --> 01:19:42,690 opinion you can have yes you have become a very early call because of that but what did you do 642 01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:49,680 father save you taught my pulse sometimes loud and search the cellar locks up in the cellar 643 01:19:49,680 --> 01:20:00,990 but how long my vocation lasts felt very long to be yes in your objectives long it was 644 01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:11,459 was and how the model that then I always played with I will be sweet belly wanted very afterwards 645 01:20:11,459 --> 01:20:19,709 a lot of contempt falls from myself that I didn't have that no more guts luck that I want 646 01:20:19,709 --> 01:20:26,489 say yes yes I will I will go with you spear is all you do you wanted to bother you was right 647 01:20:26,490 --> 01:20:30,870 but you cried I would be sweet yes yes you want we I had a lot of contempt for myself 648 01:20:35,340 --> 01:20:43,410 lessons seven jump click ted lesson or story what your sexes should then are not you 649 01:20:43,410 --> 01:20:50,280 Showing your vulnerable side yes how did that work for you as adults 650 01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:59,690 well you see it play out and then you go to therapies and you do all the work what 651 01:20:59,690 --> 01:21:09,110 you touch the other people and then gradually you can pray for you deal the tell me 652 01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:15,110 that there was a lot of work to do and you also knew because you had all the theories and he also knew that 653 01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:18,350 you ran a big risk on the top where you pass your own children because we just had that 654 01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:26,510 had we already learned if you were afraid of that no actually I go with a friend power lasted 655 01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:32,420 quite long before I discovered that I myself also furious screamers the most good therapist 656 01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:39,440 you being that they become therapists with a real 8 round bases in that i didn't know for a long time 657 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:46,340 actually yes that by discovering in you yes a miracle tenant who does not go by yourself because you 658 01:21:46,340 --> 01:21:51,020 actually also by count but he had to start plow and therefore other people with 659 01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:59,000 it took two long time and your mother that was the one who gave you nice spacious room come here 660 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:12,350 my mother was like the women put in the paint don't take cher now my father wasn't 661 01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:17,390 I benevolent persons your father locked you in the cellar but now with the true corpses of a 662 01:22:17,390 --> 01:22:23,270 nice man also mind back to nice things yes they are there I didn't want the book so 663 01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:29,600 go into a lot but no mothers wants a lot big problem in which way it wasn't like that 664 01:22:33,890 --> 01:22:42,380 social things where a lot of good things like that I'm grandfather it from your boerhaave 1917 or something about 665 01:22:42,380 --> 01:22:48,860 bike trade start of course from the the floor epidemic from you take in their he got it 666 01:22:48,860 --> 01:22:55,250 that plus rp to stand I say where she walked and it became paralyzed and so never again is never 667 01:22:55,250 --> 01:23:01,230 got out of bed more what happened so it was there were no social facilities 668 01:23:01,230 --> 01:23:06,870 so the spanish flu made that family completely dead from my mother 669 01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:13,980 had to go to work at 14 and worked very well and between their young wife 670 01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:22,530 is we wetzel 4th place and oil companies was very smart true to nature the she of a 671 01:23:22,530 --> 01:23:27,930 married woman in 1939 in the netherlands not yet working with threatening you at home you are not allowed 672 01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:31,830 more worse that's a terrible thing from my mother if my mother could have turned out 673 01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:39,960 keep working there was a certain fun case remained but she was wim powder and so this die 674 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:45,240 by the way that vista through their families and so and they was not yours are those 675 01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:50,310 man sneakers fire gives us all as there is now for herself she was won 676 01:23:56,490 --> 01:24:00,900 Do you think I appreciate the added value of a miracle trailer 677 01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:09,570 so you must know where it hurts free must understand we humans the lord have gone 678 01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:16,590 you should really do better what it is to be very afraid be very angry at having left you 679 01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:21,810 to feel that are very important things to have experienced yourself also good therapist true 680 01:24:21,810 --> 01:24:28,920 you were born in the hague 1953 681 01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:37,170 in the middle of the second world war and in that context you want to show the attack 682 01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:41,940 harry difficult yes but is the film about the many people still have 683 01:24:41,940 --> 01:24:46,770 but also an attack but what is more connected is about a family and 684 01:24:46,770 --> 01:24:52,680 on the canal in haarlem you forgive you blew me trying very hard the war 685 01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,540 to survive at some point a policeman is shot dead in front of the door 686 01:24:57,540 --> 01:25:06,660 groups is story me make a long story short they are suspected that they did it 687 01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:16,350 they killed his dad your mom a pool party day by the ss and he gets a cell on insane met 688 01:25:16,351 --> 01:25:23,941 a knife limit idea participated in the murder of that cop and they are holding each other 689 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,840 he is the requirements safe are they safety for him it's a young boy he the half hour sons 690 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,100 the head 12 years old is a jets his family this is a misunderstanding about it seems what for their house 691 01:25:35,101 --> 01:25:41,340 was placed here and therefore free family is suspected of murder and content that becomes a bit 692 01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:47,310 so have a very strong bond what people form when people are very scared then form lilies pull bond 693 01:25:47,311 --> 01:25:53,041 little boy is it very attached to that woman that empty michel that for that one evening will be 694 01:25:53,041 --> 01:26:00,360 there and later to beatty a girl who on a again reminiscent of that woman delivers farmer 695 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:06,810 in love with yes and then gradually the memories come in and the feelings are already coming back 696 01:26:06,811 --> 01:26:13,381 over many years we had or pressure of right to a solid excerpt from the film classic 697 01:26:14,130 --> 01:26:19,860 that that is not the case is not up to us cnn not to the will of the editors of summer guests 698 01:26:20,610 --> 01:26:25,050 but the images have the rights that they are already in the hands of amazon to great surprise 699 01:26:25,771 --> 01:26:30,780 have then been able to get a small piece and say a lot about it yes the clamp will be 700 01:26:30,780 --> 01:26:37,800 dutch and they made automatic things to translate but once dutch it 701 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,990 is complete nonsense the subtitle a subtitle the yes but by the noodles and out to yourself so 702 01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:47,070 Bought in America for the movie so yes no one could see it what kind of chrome 703 01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:52,950 incomprehensible because the department mambo jambo so I was stunned doctors you one allows to 704 01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:57,510 to show that film because his golden film is impossible in america can sell someone 705 01:26:57,510 --> 01:27:02,719 see you sometime you really want to show where it was a pricey affair 706 01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,600 the will not dedicate too much government we were able to get a small piece 707 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,820 and in addition, we see harry mulisch himself who will be interviewing about his book the attack 708 01:27:16,970 --> 01:27:22,220 far away in the second world war and certainly anton Steenwijk lived with his parents and 709 01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:28,910 his brother on the outskirts of Haarlem it was January 1945 almost all of Europe was liberated 710 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:36,110 celebrated at drank made love and slowly started to forget the war but 711 01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:40,310 Haarlem turned more and more into a big cinder like it had the stove out 712 01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:45,800 came when there were still coals so harry mulisch outlines the time and place of the act 713 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,840 The first chapter of his new novel The Attack protagonist is a 12-year-old boy whose family 714 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:56,270 unwittingly becomes involved in an attack as retaliatory measures merge the German het 715 01:27:56,270 --> 01:28:02,510 whole family only the main character is spared musicians outline how the attack affects the life of the man 716 01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:08,479 continues to determine and each phase of life is confronted again with the war harry 717 01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:15,619 mulisch your book tells that man's life until 31 when at least that episode's that immediately 718 01:28:15,620 --> 01:28:21,770 don't relate to this his life people book down episodes with it 719 01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:26,060 whole life is paid for by rituals world order is a copy is for your generation 720 01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:34,700 ohh it is so far determining look it is of course not a man who and a syndrome 721 01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:40,970 so he is constantly busy with it and it also has nightmares but it 722 01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:45,080 is not that that incident makes his life impossible as many people who 723 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:50,660 have been in concentration camp or something for treatment so it shouldn't be like that but look at it 724 01:28:50,660 --> 01:28:56,990 is now such a drastic event that it is always light that lurks and makes 725 01:28:56,990 --> 01:29:02,000 also known and certainly assie met people who had to do with it, for example 726 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:08,860 the man who committed that attack resistance fighter or of those who were involved because 727 01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:12,880 I kept happening very strange that I might not need to talk about now 728 01:30:04,930 --> 01:30:07,870 you put there 729 01:30:07,870 --> 01:30:11,800 have to 730 01:30:17,790 --> 01:30:23,670 this is a place in heiloo where the war absolutely nothing happened but where i 731 01:30:23,670 --> 01:30:29,730 novel the attack had an attack on a fascist police inspector who was here 732 01:30:29,730 --> 01:30:35,730 the sidewalk would have been shot but to that house there set on fire by the day is striking now 733 01:30:35,730 --> 01:30:40,860 that even though this is all made up people still come back to this place and go around here 734 01:30:40,860 --> 01:30:46,950 look how do you explain that that I explain because the imagination is apparently stronger 735 01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:51,960 then had a reality in it that disappeared is it it even occurs I have those people 736 01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:57,240 god that people want to go in there and look at the house, so this was the conservatory 737 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:02,400 while the on has happened and b in my tree in my book besides that house around everything was eyes 738 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:07,410 but good is so unreal apparently and i hope the figure can take that as a client 739 01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:22,320 it's a 1986 movie from oscar came out in america then you saw what did it do to you 740 01:31:22,980 --> 01:31:29,910 martin de heli deep impression on me tip me very much thinking of the fact that I am so on the one 741 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:36,000 of the second war were born dry and the very deep impression they made on me 742 01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,820 true about stories about people who survived your camp in came back 743 01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:48,810 and that fear that the always was it he says mini says it's all made up 744 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:57,330 it wasn't all made up all those things happened and all that thing say part of my joints 745 01:31:57,330 --> 01:32:05,100 and my friends my family add imprint of reality the word became whole are in deep 746 01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:10,860 experience that second world war that still draws us all we have so I had two 747 01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:18,510 very good buddies in primary school saw one of ethic gistel the other was a german one 748 01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:27,280 boy and cortina died and she just told us oh yeah when i was little my mom is 749 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:35,470 fled berlin my father was a gira had the ss and at home and your mother has with the 750 01:32:35,470 --> 01:32:41,380 being thrown out the window in the arms of an English she act because the other side is true 751 01:32:41,380 --> 01:32:47,440 the russian let and i own must my mother circles forces be scale e the room gone 752 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:56,410 yes so and that he talked for hours about your experience 3 2 years and that was the experience 753 01:32:56,410 --> 01:33:04,840 of us all x i grew up and scheveningen all the big most houses where destroyed they played 754 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:11,470 in the cellars and houses we found guns from the pistols we bunkers so all it was all 755 01:33:11,470 --> 01:33:18,430 very much our life and the stories that people who died came back here they came for their word 756 01:33:18,430 --> 01:33:24,160 and what specifically came to your mind then you do this movie template was of course really a 757 01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:34,780 really and and pierre too bad the wood kept with me and the all the people I know from that time very 758 01:33:34,780 --> 01:33:41,440 were very busy with our livable heavy use things with the bombed people 759 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:49,540 came out back in these jap camps and it was very much a part of our early childhood and what 760 01:33:49,540 --> 01:33:55,960 mainly impressed me this movie is that it gets stuck on that girl with whom 761 01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:03,520 would be in jail and that whole tree determines for their family house family can keep up with 762 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:10,390 who drew that close that the whole joints there by the way experience they life deeply yes actually 763 01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:15,580 actually that trauma interrupts his life story a bit like you get stuck at that moment 764 01:34:15,580 --> 01:34:23,830 yes that they bags that beam you got stuck yes the head to come back to all kinds of unexpected 765 01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:31,180 manners your child the same age when you were equally powerful and suddenly you two can no longer 766 01:34:31,180 --> 01:34:35,810 take care of the child or study such things and you in the movie we see it very clearly 767 01:34:35,810 --> 01:34:43,100 indeed dante did the main character who was in the cell with that young woman yes we see the lord 768 01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:48,440 the kisses are over or the one who got hers and and in the movie you see that every 769 01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:55,520 times at specific moments [ __ ] comes back how it works that's what I read 770 01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:01,940 in your book an example of one and patients you really that after a few decades back to you 771 01:35:01,940 --> 01:35:08,210 he came back to you in the treatment room at some kind of core moment in their lives 772 01:35:08,210 --> 01:35:16,760 lion companions see what you see or what you hear is all your sensory where we are become 773 01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:23,840 associated with your deep emotions that you see as certain things or hear bonding a bit 774 01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:30,080 suddenly back in that state you have no idea what kind of state you and it's me suddenly 775 01:35:32,330 --> 01:35:36,890 I don't want to have anything more to do madam solution became necessary transport to leave 776 01:35:36,890 --> 01:35:43,970 or to walk away or i'm terribly mad at you don't know why she was mad not from 777 01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:50,450 oh that reminds me of it that's why but is already getting angry his sin automatically associations that 778 01:35:50,450 --> 01:35:56,450 be made in the right one for you yes and that that client who writes him image if i'm right 779 01:35:56,450 --> 01:36:01,610 remember you can tell at which moments he ends up with you again by the first die 780 01:36:01,610 --> 01:36:10,490 seeing them came back his same age and he had just had a baby and every guest got it 781 01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:18,680 baby met expectations the work was the domino as a starting point home had he saw no dead 782 01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:24,770 children he what he was crazy name employed have swear allegiance brand in vietnam and he what with the 783 01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:32,840 clique and whole so auditoriums between nations biolicious my colleague said he o is kids a 784 01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:39,140 frame that the prior thought and I had free performs with since previous work now agrees 785 01:36:39,140 --> 01:36:45,650 something different and coincidentally say the same what freud your time for real what is it no i don't think so 786 01:36:46,250 --> 01:36:52,190 suffered as bad lay your whole so certainly against well you can go to the schizophrenia hospital 787 01:36:52,190 --> 01:36:58,580 to go see if you can treat come this boy I this is especially busy is it I'm going to work with him 788 01:36:58,580 --> 01:37:05,600 and blah blah so a workout season link block from a horse of test is to spot times so 789 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:13,550 it very bad i ran the conversion and he we terrified you oh my god that's that baby de 790 01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:21,590 death went and my arms in vietnam and now i got yourself and lg assen child then 791 01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:29,240 fly the same as there are ten who never was responsible for such a thing in you vietnam so that 792 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:42,260 tires like how she could went pretty well 18 years later I throw all that mail and you no that you less 793 01:37:42,260 --> 01:37:49,430 seems I don't get you directly last week gave a lecture beijing where I talked about your workshop 794 01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:58,850 from the sea that is and I have a lot later and and she well I pretended to enjoy riddler 795 01:37:58,850 --> 01:38:05,930 and he said last week i want two scares that i had a son there is growing and annick is 796 01:38:05,930 --> 01:38:14,930 really very good and last week had to i had to take my chin lego HQ today so he 797 01:38:14,930 --> 01:38:22,280 lying in could go and it could be gold ring yes and all those troubles room back there are 798 01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:28,820 now given the act with two and then I miss again over we went to try so and 799 01:38:28,820 --> 01:38:38,420 then hobby back later still 10 15 years later and he said well I have a very mysterious biological 800 01:38:38,420 --> 01:38:45,650 trouble and if i have to preach the cake i just fall can give now and then have no power 801 01:38:45,650 --> 01:38:52,290 more you my feet and sounds like furniture course my doctors thick not it's notebooks boxes 802 01:38:52,290 --> 01:38:58,620 so i only have one my wife has a residential building sea pinwheel wheelchair can sit 803 01:38:58,620 --> 01:39:03,990 is it I was in the handicap person our whole story yes nothing against it yes that is very important 804 01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:11,430 that you do and you say well I just started yoga myself I started studying bio and I find 805 01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:17,850 it terribly door and if your body your story might be good well through to really pay attention 806 01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:24,990 sing your body new york do your body here now you stab it let me always their lord loves yoga 807 01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:32,490 do and I occasionally hear cases now has yoga instructor of people who soldiers in Afghanistan 808 01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:39,000 were at my age artifex you after a year occasionally the the new york the libyan problems 809 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:44,340 they changed slightly but are used to pleasurable experiences and who stand but 810 01:39:44,340 --> 01:39:50,970 she revival and has a very rich life three very healthy responsible great fun I want something 811 01:39:50,970 --> 01:39:56,760 move you are a psychiatrist and really know people over many years and see how they develop 812 01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:02,940 as a very nice he can also you back on those specific core moments indeed those then 813 01:40:02,940 --> 01:40:12,240 feelings is all sense who experience' the desk plaster score this pilgrim stories you feel 814 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:19,080 you gave up on is just silly or scared or angry but not from this too this reminds me of that day 815 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:24,900 in vietnam no there is no direct reason sometimes yes but usually not so 816 01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:32,670 you started your career as a psychiatrist treating veterans mainly in vietnam 817 01:40:32,670 --> 01:40:39,600 both the mail is not understood but that the row free the beginning and in that context you want the 818 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:46,140 movie the hurt locker show yes about a veteran from your the iraq war and about 819 01:40:46,140 --> 01:40:54,000 that term the hurt locker on that means that means your dresses you close your youth 820 01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:02,971 pain off decoy you lock it up yes you stop it now at home yes decoy his class yes reviews 821 01:41:02,971 --> 01:41:08,971 put your feelings away now in blue and then you think you locked them up but they are 822 01:41:08,971 --> 01:41:14,701 of course there is still exactly yes from the people around it will say tjechie what are you doing 823 01:41:14,701 --> 01:41:19,351 there oh I can't trust you you belong for angry or I don't know where you are will you are 824 01:41:19,351 --> 01:41:27,121 drinkable but people usually didn't know the origin of this woke up 825 01:41:27,121 --> 01:41:40,351 so met at wit hane main complaint was i don't feel anything 826 01:41:42,931 --> 01:41:48,331 i wrote letters to my girlfriend trick who was vietnam she kept my life 827 01:41:48,331 --> 01:41:55,860 and I came home I didn't feel like she wanted to get married when it turned out to have married well 828 01:41:55,860 --> 01:42:04,320 children but I don't feel anything from the children now show current brain research as 829 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:09,870 people are busy with things commanded and you see nothing happened brain and when they go back 830 01:42:09,871 --> 01:42:17,610 to a tama becomes to be all alive so the you your your bed who dredges you get a 831 01:42:17,610 --> 01:42:24,600 new brain setup after trauma which makes you very good to be busy with raw but me 832 01:42:24,601 --> 01:42:30,061 can those people is busy with ordinary things so the kind of problem to treat warm 833 01:42:30,061 --> 01:42:37,740 is to help make you feel alive here today and not constantly as 834 01:42:37,740 --> 01:42:44,760 interpret them through the light from your horse windows and so one of the things I often do wrong 835 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:51,360 in psychatry we keep getting married over you together but your fat aspect that 836 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:58,950 his terrible mistake we made because that dream became 40 more important and the 837 01:42:58,951 --> 01:43:04,670 remains life less and less important to that I have one of the groups that miss cartoon 838 01:43:04,670 --> 01:43:11,150 with trellis groups who had all fought in bastogne in he gets you 1942 839 01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:18,230 only thing they could talk about was what i'm going to happen that christmas in bastogne so i said did you 840 01:43:18,230 --> 01:43:25,880 wife you your child by you you ever do had her job you but all that meant was their 841 01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:32,000 war to and vests of lighting yes yes that because you also see it in the fragment indeed that this one 842 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:38,630 soldier this change ethic that says plane up like a son i only love one thing and 843 01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:44,780 don't mean that sons yes he means war k and them out you can't often don't 844 01:43:44,780 --> 01:43:50,900 stand to be with oneself 's very difficult to experience and feel for yourself when you yourself 845 01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:56,900 you all that fear that pain so as long as you're busy doing things you can get the pain back 846 01:43:56,900 --> 01:44:01,850 push the door yes you also see in the supermarket that he is agnese and really don't know how anymore 847 01:44:01,850 --> 01:44:07,370 show it around a normal 9 you can't distinguish anymore what you're going to do that's not always 848 01:44:07,370 --> 01:44:15,650 important the study the take your friend yard well you did who looked at the harvard case of itunes zul 849 01:44:15,650 --> 01:44:24,140 you to the for the to the gym to the war and the people who tested a gentleman who 540 with them 850 01:44:24,140 --> 01:44:31,430 and through 1991 and the people who dined no trauma holder told completely different story 851 01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:40,850 in 1945 so a normal brain change the story but the people who were passed 45 852 01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:47,900 where you still tell the same 1941 so deceive that you are still growing seems to me to be those 853 01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:51,950 preconditions of that bankruptcy has been different from the heads because they have the same 854 01:44:51,950 --> 01:44:58,700 had an experience you even had a very nice album but never them now of course not the same bit 855 01:44:58,700 --> 01:45:03,650 handy yes a bit of national do you want to either kill people or not kill people 856 01:45:03,650 --> 01:45:10,520 or you have your best friend dorsi go you those are not all embarrassing heavy his deep fall from you 857 01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:17,330 but the pieces second piece I want to say is that the people who were based were better at 858 01:45:17,330 --> 01:45:24,230 a profession than man are not manufactured because they hid themselves a profession so peasant 859 01:45:24,230 --> 01:45:30,320 college is a very good adaptation of came and once you get a good education 860 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:37,850 can you often stor you pour in your work but their marriages we want their children terribly 861 01:45:37,850 --> 01:45:44,810 nothing to do with it but they had more more more nutrition in cow is shoe brands than people who 862 01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:51,770 not based out of the shed such a based word is very good at getting into job in ultimate relationship 863 01:45:51,770 --> 01:45:58,280 don't draw a story from hove about their yes the book to talk about that dress 864 01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:03,950 with brussels too but wait a minute because I also want a little longer because you also chose the fragment 865 01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:12,560 because of that scene with a boy and that and that devil from a box because and a war trauma 866 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:18,470 also does something with your imagination and that's what we see here of course Jan so die 867 01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:26,720 so don't necessarily close war malfunction view the small ring nothing more k so for 868 01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:32,630 we are guilty sitting outside today having a glass of beer and reading the beautiful book 869 01:46:32,630 --> 01:46:38,750 see enjoy the little things for him very the who see that when I had to shop 870 01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:47,630 this is what you just told about that client of your butt that you heard saw that test see see and he said I 871 01:46:47,630 --> 01:46:54,830 see here a dead baby boy in your book i read that there was also a group of veterans the shutter 872 01:46:54,830 --> 01:47:00,740 group indeed iraq dead baby abutments people me also had a group can i take my rings out of you 873 01:47:00,740 --> 01:47:07,910 pants lodi in that spot nothing wrong at all axa wf imagination full parts to zo en 874 01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:14,870 what is the consequence to the cover you that you have no life as long as you do not have more things 875 01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:21,820 can see and your examples then you just do the routine of going there every day because you 876 01:47:21,820 --> 01:47:26,230 maybe can't organize a better future you can i beg can shake images 877 01:47:26,740 --> 01:47:33,070 want the village let's think about it another possibility is of course terrible 878 01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:39,730 difficult marcheurs there with soap and the can't imagine how it could be otherwise no 879 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:48,100 and so you really have to be very active trying other things we took it to show the other 880 01:47:48,100 --> 01:47:56,890 things are possible on a very deeper level and you told that in the beginning so in the treatment the 881 01:47:56,890 --> 01:48:03,760 mistake was made to talk about it over and over that do sister do yes and that you then 882 01:48:04,780 --> 01:48:10,720 turned out now what do you do now I do started warm but I dare say I do them yes then things 883 01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:15,580 which they like to pass by right away, he also thought it was funny to read that you 884 01:48:15,580 --> 01:48:22,540 himself conscientious objector was absolutely yes why does he not want to be employed nicely asked family of 885 01:48:22,540 --> 01:48:30,010 service became earth and a very important tradition am the very good reason was that i did have feeling 886 01:48:30,010 --> 01:48:35,680 that if I got a machine gun I might be drilled in of the gyrus there would be 887 01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:41,500 are those who have the pleasure and hardship of killing people because people have fun killing people 888 01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:48,430 and once you open it you see people really being sadistic and that i wanted piece by piece 889 01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:54,790 didn't get to know me you were afraid you will enjoy it you want it apparently you base it 890 01:48:54,790 --> 01:49:01,660 that on then maybe it will be with you ohoh I was just really aware to myself yes but I know 891 01:49:01,660 --> 01:49:05,800 the enough people who really had fun killing people and don't get to know that side all of that 892 01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:11,311 I don't want it now you personally don't want it what I thought wouldn't get over it if 893 01:49:11,311 --> 01:49:18,960 once I'd done things like that in the war I didn't think I'd come back like that 894 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:27,750 all the existential necessity of me not to survival yes and sink daleks them 895 01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:34,230 have already been mentioned and methods to treat veterans with ptsd we do not succeed again dream no 896 01:49:34,230 --> 01:49:39,180 but that's what we're going to see so that's why sorry treat you enjoyed twitter poor psyche 897 01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:47,070 doors club 100 okay that's what your garage see you've never done that digital because of your dream 898 01:49:47,070 --> 01:49:51,870 it's nature okay no that's why I quote it indeed because we where we're going 899 01:49:51,871 --> 01:49:58,740 going to watch is a a veteran being treated with the pressure and lima i one or that one 900 01:49:58,740 --> 01:50:06,300 bureau you act yes lemdina the active ingredient in ecstasy and we are going to see a session with an iraq 901 01:50:07,021 --> 01:50:15,210 veteran do you explain something about it we can start thinking it is important that he does his 902 01:50:15,210 --> 01:50:22,320 tag them back on but when you get to know prays he left became babies act like little too 903 01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:27,300 little boy and herbert handcuffed so I'm going to hear you are always whole read here how different 904 01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:33,870 layers coming out there's a layering weird receiver unconscious went there to watch 905 01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:58,160 my site a and site can so want intense movie marley barney harpy sabine pass pass henkie 906 01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:08,450 veurst eye catcher john mcenroe frame with and massa sabrina and and never felt for it 907 01:51:08,450 --> 01:51:14,240 I go I want her bike that the 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01:52:54,760 --> 01:53:04,300 have seneffe i red chelsea get him get him a hard mini smart on a challenge so god is darpa 918 01:53:06,399 --> 01:53:06,969 take shelter 919 01:53:09,490 --> 01:53:16,990 grab a is so I want my field for a few days I so 920 01:53:16,990 --> 01:53:24,670 file type' the person air him go may 2006 921 01:53:26,230 --> 01:53:42,430 popular on the pillow in an asus finger ow no he he how does one like the light and 922 01:53:42,430 --> 01:53:51,550 visualize toasters watch if the jack cel a test channel i want i a friends and visualize 923 01:53:53,830 --> 01:54:00,970 pk highline strong I have it is really just personal 924 01:54:00,970 --> 01:54:09,790 computer pick him up even so far as to instill that and my cell keeper him what that 925 01:54:09,790 --> 01:54:17,290 can go exactly with it was named for him lack of diskettes in the center just 926 01:54:17,290 --> 01:54:21,370 kids crystal 927 01:54:21,370 --> 01:54:35,680 gloss a house is billy mays in real time tinker mare rigole inspector more i look and i him 928 01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:47,170 my emergency strengths between with a save a lot of look so macho the pacer 929 01:54:48,340 --> 01:54:58,690 i minutes i got an exit i caught chapel and employee that sangha a lot 930 01:55:01,690 --> 01:55:02,200 I want you 931 01:55:04,210 --> 01:55:07,240 often choose the patch with shirley 932 01:55:11,650 --> 01:55:34,880 it yes what do you think product sheet in finish thoughts and i thought pass by you say 933 01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:42,740 well I'm very happy with what's happening with this so we're just watching my we looked at 934 01:55:42,740 --> 01:55:49,310 a chill who has had five and dme treatments he is light and she on that bed with my 935 01:55:49,310 --> 01:55:58,520 friends the midoffice and before eight you lie there and your lesson lasts 8 hours long and often 936 01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:06,170 do you talk so much you just lie there things go do your mind and memory fluctuates 937 01:56:06,170 --> 01:56:15,230 and sometimes they are very painfully difficult then you go the moisture now your real you learn to see yourself 938 01:56:15,230 --> 01:56:23,390 and experienced and you I just wrote down again that whoever spoils article 2 jurgen a lot 939 01:56:23,390 --> 01:56:30,230 deeper sense of this is me and this she happened to me and here don't be afraid of yourself anymore 940 01:56:30,230 --> 01:56:38,690 it is so he has committed the atrocities as they do there too often and and use them best friend 941 01:56:38,690 --> 01:56:44,990 has died and will be terribly anxious and so if you take akke dirks you will feel things 942 01:56:44,990 --> 01:56:51,920 well but you can still you can go one day the van will run away from it and so you see very 943 01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:59,270 difficult things said yes it was then I caught my own self viewer without judging you 944 01:56:59,270 --> 01:57:07,160 can see yourself there is a very common thing is constantly seeing me also meet the vision 945 01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:15,290 singing chris from old cookie just it the poor boy am 18 years old he didnt know how to do it 946 01:57:15,290 --> 01:57:21,590 respond to the deaf his friend he killed those children and me terrible that poor one 947 01:57:21,590 --> 01:57:27,470 boy who did the he can I have a passion welcome passes in that respect no big 948 01:57:27,470 --> 01:57:34,640 part gothic and that people understand much more words for themselves a van themselves peeters 949 01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:41,870 I do that and we say now I understand what happened but they got almost nothing for us the beauty 950 01:57:41,870 --> 01:57:49,100 leader say almost nothing to you you just help people to what you then I say what see 951 01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:57,890 you were going on how to wash through but you don't put anything there and really come it's even singing and what 952 01:57:57,890 --> 01:58:04,550 so you see is that you are traumatized we have his opinion make you people but could be everything 953 01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:11,660 to forget so declare everything yes you make you except the that people always so fence and say 954 01:58:11,660 --> 01:58:21,020 oh i was like that because i was china you say oh i was me i was 18 years old and i was awesome 955 01:58:21,020 --> 01:58:27,710 angry and my think you got killed and then i got so angry for heaven incest survivors de 956 01:58:27,710 --> 01:58:36,620 I see that say I was declared because I was my very lively sexual little girl and that's why 957 01:58:36,620 --> 01:58:41,960 did it happen so i can never have sexual feelings again other than do the same again 958 01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:48,350 to myself really mattered i let myself be mistreated so people you are terrified of them 959 01:58:48,350 --> 01:58:56,270 own sexuality for example about my own words or own feelings and if the lord 960 01:58:56,270 --> 01:59:02,990 wegg and said yes that's why it happened and I locked the piece with it my name can it go back 961 01:59:02,990 --> 01:59:09,470 from between part yes you learn to look at yourself with compassion is what you say he also says very 962 01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:15,980 in the pigment of it's amazing how in control siphoned this sentence i wrote it down while 963 01:59:15,980 --> 01:59:21,560 you at busiest I often have the association with losing control how do you explain that 964 01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:26,610 lose control oh that's where you never know where you never know what will happen 965 01:59:26,610 --> 01:59:32,610 hey that's why the environment is so important give so people are you have to be people people who 966 01:59:32,610 --> 01:59:37,920 the real you feel became more great fear is when these things nobles are taken away 967 01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:43,740 they are in the Netherlands would go the mm not yet that moment everyone will use racks is not 968 01:59:43,740 --> 01:59:49,260 legal in the Netherlands don't do it that I'm not so clever les lamai check but I am me 969 01:59:49,260 --> 01:59:55,620 go no just very harmless medicines sauce it after you're afraid just when it becomes legal then 970 01:59:55,620 --> 02:00:03,960 then starts in here starts taking to work the wrong circumstances in 971 02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:10,830 can you write good people got a whole book from dip khatami in the mail he said 972 02:00:10,830 --> 02:00:16,650 just take it these things you shouldn't just take some all kinds of very difficult things 973 02:00:16,650 --> 02:00:24,810 come in the upstairs room india happen to it the name bank done to him yes for that under principal 974 02:00:24,810 --> 02:00:31,530 investigator of the city did not do more than she had to do and how did that go well 975 02:00:31,530 --> 02:00:37,380 interesting for me for the first dress and that mead I said my questions we how is it how 976 02:00:37,380 --> 02:00:44,310 are you so happy so much married to you married to very the with the treat is it oh 977 02:00:44,310 --> 02:00:51,390 if you have friends and you write about them you have nice people to work you have a good marriage he 978 02:00:51,390 --> 02:00:57,240 isn't it so bad when the first app that usually treasure all came out well-based people who 979 02:00:57,240 --> 02:01:04,800 saw me look up I felt all the misery that slowly I will be in 40 years and I slaughterhouses 980 02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:14,370 good [ __ ] oh my god is the she party drug seems i feel really totally totally overwhelmed women 981 02:01:14,370 --> 02:01:20,520 from the green up and i was very quiet for several days after that command ever 982 02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:26,400 a certain affected can i am much more careful with getting married i did then was it is what it with 983 02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:34,650 you did was that the memories to stories of all clients hello in the structure yes it 984 02:01:34,650 --> 02:01:38,940 she funny what you say indeed that observation that you a k it is a party drug color it is 985 02:01:38,940 --> 02:01:46,020 by partying there already air man that you all kinds of whole proclamation things often come at you and 986 02:01:46,020 --> 02:01:53,100 how does something like this work because of what you are under you are going to show in a kind of daze influence literally whistled 987 02:01:53,100 --> 02:01:59,640 under the influence of drugs but that effect continues longer apparently you want to see 988 02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:05,820 a whole new dimensions of your life you really see yourself very handy me actually 989 02:02:05,820 --> 02:02:12,630 but hey tin scissors to all those people amuse people and necessary it is a very heavy burden me 990 02:02:12,630 --> 02:02:19,200 behave I am much chairman to go into that because I know what a bee how it me 991 02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:24,750 affect yes you have learned that it did to you and then also before no eye for now until the 992 02:02:24,750 --> 02:02:29,220 I had enough for it and the feeling can hold you when the drugs wear off 993 02:02:29,220 --> 02:02:36,810 yes yes once you learn once you email the roll with mr walked you don't forget you the how 994 02:02:36,810 --> 02:02:44,220 it looks like when you see someone's e-mail something like this you say well i see a piece of reality i it 995 02:02:44,220 --> 02:02:50,700 did not see and what is it called you changed because by looking at yourself with your compassion and 996 02:02:50,700 --> 02:02:57,420 feeling by feeling that is that all that experience of people does indeed touch you what the 997 02:02:57,420 --> 02:03:04,680 f youth my wife says there I you become much nicer man coarse not quite but nice 998 02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:09,390 be there and after the explosion you had I have to go through the sky also less a lot easier that 999 02:03:09,390 --> 02:03:16,990 It's that things are more accepted from people so I'd say this doesn't get so annoyed 1000 02:03:16,990 --> 02:03:25,300 it wasn't enough you should do that better I understand but you suffered outside yes yes the move 1001 02:03:25,300 --> 02:03:29,920 to a catholic school bessel in the bronx new york in the sixties already playing from 1002 02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:37,690 cold the title refers to the doubt with which main character sister bouvier sausage or where more 1003 02:03:37,690 --> 02:03:42,370 when she suspects that one of the students is being abused by a pastor as by flynn 1004 02:03:42,370 --> 02:03:47,650 and there are those we are going to see in it sister bouvier confronts the boy's mother with her 1005 02:03:47,650 --> 02:03:57,250 suspicions we go marry slip scene and viola davis in that people faster you my hair problem 1006 02:03:59,320 --> 02:04:07,960 in a way a boy semi-prinsenbos big john that you such the cwi rust-oleum cs with it 1007 02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:14,880 where have the prime is then on the sixth make it till you and is 1008 02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:21,450 often highschool where I also have a greyjoy of his necklace isabel 1009 02:04:21,450 --> 02:04:25,500 the chanting gettin too good guys bribe now into an apple mister collins 1010 02:04:27,780 --> 02:04:32,040 hi launch went this time star things so cross hairs mothers cronshaw's 1011 02:04:34,590 --> 02:04:38,490 literally a lot of agar agar joymii 1012 02:04:38,490 --> 02:04:44,130 i'm concerned about the relationship between 1013 02:04:44,130 --> 02:04:51,750 father francis to someone's signs in shops and in that may not be right 1014 02:04:54,450 --> 02:05:02,370 why was malware in which la sauvegarde deserve our great more arjan's fears that frank 1015 02:05:02,370 --> 02:05:09,570 the father and mayhew mee the twentse sander sun 1016 02:05:14,290 --> 02:05:22,720 with him a few times pi types no evidence well a label is of course 1017 02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:32,810 as jim carrey sumptuous 1018 02:05:34,851 --> 02:05:38,271 i think of d-double world heat some oil more expensive 1019 02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:51,530 it then on an acting streams lego nothing to the cinema inside so luster poor living in the trouble 1020 02:05:51,530 --> 02:05:58,910 island to look for grip that are clear can chop it in white bar that's why I need a tumor here like 1021 02:05:58,910 --> 02:06:07,910 nicely dressed minute with the offers disagree limburg at fresh aroma septon clocks van 1022 02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:13,640 the throne is fine signing multitudes god oh arnouts adjusting your boy arnoud 1023 02:06:13,641 --> 02:06:18,530 orbeez eyes some means blanche ingram a yogi video completely white 1024 02:06:18,530 --> 02:06:23,900 jury the measuring range already up to the principle florencein concerned about a times 12 hours 1025 02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:29,720 johannesolie sounds app free skate then on deadline it julia thank you 1026 02:06:30,380 --> 02:06:36,680 leg chopper mass I poop that already mimic we have to follow my idea the tongue aqua medic 1027 02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:43,970 schedules online programs and games little bit normal driving slime 1028 02:06:43,970 --> 02:06:46,550 make something between your simple and fast more in the 1029 02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:50,930 war en how to position and giscard your site bonne mère boom en 1030 02:06:54,170 --> 02:06:54,320 was 1031 02:06:56,110 --> 02:06:58,210 social deal 1032 02:07:01,540 --> 02:07:05,920 kilowatt show time no more than you 1033 02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:15,550 high believe this map is create or may have already more about en intrappen 1034 02:07:15,550 --> 02:07:22,720 relationship to do so you know i know i'm like my god en ons up like pepper showing you do 1035 02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:26,770 come on you 1036 02:07:37,930 --> 02:07:46,990 this is father is constantly happening from something is happening in the family family 1037 02:07:46,990 --> 02:07:56,800 and people don't have the courage to say it's the truth so what happened and certainly if 1038 02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:05,020 we say then we have no income bear or the break the family apk and for many people you know 1039 02:08:05,020 --> 02:08:14,080 is the blind eye of the other family members even worse than the bus landing itself because you have no one you 1040 02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:22,390 believe no one wants to see it and it's it's a real problem argument dark till her am you can 1041 02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:31,750 him himself no job but my children go and fruit now again said have my children have 1042 02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:37,570 really don't have enough do you eat if i don't have a good scholten this one let me and 1043 02:08:37,570 --> 02:08:44,620 that is very much case where we came we later but then we pretend nothing is wrong and 1044 02:08:44,620 --> 02:08:50,920 for many of my patients, that second thing is still difficult about not seeing the first thing 1045 02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:58,330 to become and no one says the you can't join can you do that that's the big one 1046 02:08:58,330 --> 02:09:03,250 drama of the people who beast to students to ten years my of not being heard 1047 02:09:03,250 --> 02:09:10,050 nothing can be seen and that you don't care what actually happens to you because for 1048 02:09:10,050 --> 02:09:15,180 to me it is more important to stay single because income get some and each then see what 1049 02:09:15,180 --> 02:09:21,750 she you it happens and is real they have you this arm or black for her children blood it input 1050 02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:28,350 then university you and aids very few opportunities and say i can't afford to see 1051 02:09:28,350 --> 02:09:35,790 what to do the goers yes put is a tag and is real very very difficult to and then ask 1052 02:09:35,790 --> 02:09:42,300 what can you avoid wario yes yes what suspicion is there according to you and it happens to doctors 1053 02:09:42,930 --> 02:09:48,510 answer a question now but suspicion is long had I feel I feel before I understood 1054 02:09:48,510 --> 02:09:56,790 and I'll talk to him about what's going on and what what we really why she doesn't think so 1055 02:09:56,790 --> 02:10:01,560 so nice oh why did they have those opportunities but in all of us people just didn't dare to go 1056 02:10:02,250 --> 02:10:07,740 the parents of many park as lieke priests I have so all my very active in that 1057 02:10:07,740 --> 02:10:13,290 cases of those Christian priests yes because you delivered from them next to more than 20 years ago how 1058 02:10:13,290 --> 02:10:21,270 it started a big yes abuse scandal of boys in the catholic church revealed so i was 1059 02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:27,660 first psyche you should be working on it because you got it when mature I assume men 1060 02:10:27,660 --> 02:10:33,690 who were abused at the time little boy signal treatment room now get or find yes via did 1061 02:10:33,690 --> 02:10:38,490 I think I was the archive actor yes but first about the tapes because you have to you get them 1062 02:10:38,490 --> 02:10:42,270 I am me what you think don't treat limburg as one again 1063 02:10:42,270 --> 02:10:49,650 great hover or roman region experiences yes so i was hired to testify for this 1064 02:10:49,650 --> 02:10:55,620 hat you are that expert witness in those lawsuits surrounding that abuse scandal a very 1065 02:10:55,620 --> 02:11:00,630 many places very many cases yes why did you do that why that your testimony can hope that 1066 02:11:00,630 --> 02:11:07,530 i was one of the few people who sacrifice something masureal who knew yes because i specially studied 1067 02:11:09,210 --> 02:11:13,800 but what was your motivation because you thought I'm the only one who can do this well or did you have another 1068 02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:20,590 other form where we fall south limburg who does not want not like us viola davis there are there 1069 02:11:20,590 --> 02:11:27,940 there's nothing wrong here because I examined the people who were all broken I really 1070 02:11:27,940 --> 02:11:34,360 seen hundreds who were all beautiful people who tell bus all clash the same story 1071 02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:42,580 hat happened and yes you could see that that happened to those men what what was the common denominator 1072 02:11:42,581 --> 02:11:48,131 common denominator was all terrified we were about very weak is where almost all bodybuilder 1073 02:11:50,380 --> 02:11:58,510 it is I experience so even very weak it and dresses meadows full of test or zone injections 1074 02:11:58,510 --> 02:12:04,330 or look behind and they couldn't do anything they couldn't have a thieme relationship with people who couldn't 1075 02:12:04,331 --> 02:12:09,670 just proportionately maintained is where broken pastry people like what we don't have 1076 02:12:09,670 --> 02:12:19,180 seen indeed marry someone can do so I have ridge from Tuesday morning yes one of those 1077 02:12:19,181 --> 02:12:24,311 man and for back in time as an expert witness who remember the abuse only after everyone 1078 02:12:24,311 --> 02:12:29,740 had read about it in the newspaper and she and his girlfriend de roovere started what what does that say 1079 02:12:29,740 --> 02:12:38,050 about his memory it is normal for people not to want we have this one that is very arkady 1080 02:12:38,050 --> 02:12:47,380 full pillow warmer by i love and how we have archives over 300 day 3,000 self zo 1081 02:12:47,380 --> 02:12:54,100 concentration on camp or learned how many quarters of can't remember anything about what happened never 1082 02:12:54,101 --> 02:13:03,610 decor and so very good studies of after sometimes with you people everything sometimes used a few 1083 02:13:03,610 --> 02:13:11,770 pieces of it and sometimes missing with the very large pieces yes and then that can come up again to 1084 02:13:11,771 --> 02:13:16,960 them michel study and especially for rising I share for example he when one feels inside 1085 02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:26,179 feel safe as you i am i saw then fill you can come a new one yes we happen 1086 02:13:26,180 --> 02:13:34,459 that happens so you become your ghost is enough to dare to see what happens to you 1087 02:13:34,459 --> 02:13:41,509 is yes it is controversial shepherd is a real welles-nietes neighbors who are it now tom's two 1088 02:13:41,510 --> 02:13:46,189 evenings your soviets golan got the mail from people and the differences opinion pieces and 1089 02:13:46,189 --> 02:13:50,719 such there is new bed is not even debate going on about traumatic memories 1090 02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:55,520 occasionally the head on critics often from the corner of right psychology I need another 1091 02:13:55,520 --> 02:14:00,680 with saying they say yes it's right sometimes people can't talk about something but repressed 1092 02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:06,560 memories do not exist do you understand the criticism oh of course I often encounter very good pen 1093 02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:12,620 these people in the grasses lawsuits that people have dead things to ram pointed bust lasts 1094 02:14:13,459 --> 02:14:19,339 they never treated cremation people which i find interesting too but the first one that happens 1095 02:14:19,340 --> 02:14:24,470 also in court with you in court also this lost built done case preys to 1096 02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:34,040 the i wish in a lawsuit and the the lawyers that catholic church they have doctor van der kolk 1097 02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:43,430 the you your animal is the third grade primary school family yes anyway be wiesje race a report 1098 02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:49,280 it was written that you were so careless that you who that she was afraid that you would never get off the wheel 1099 02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:58,880 sprayable school they come off no c juliet are that broken on mean my primary school for my 1100 02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:07,160 get alarm clock and translate as english because you just separate from you on killed year out 1101 02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:12,200 from the nephew of jan dutch layer school to confront you with that and what tried there 1102 02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:19,340 then help prove that I like it that it was a sloppy thing to be able to say real things curt 1103 02:15:21,439 --> 02:15:25,879 and I say to the rights look now does the same with what I people with that 1104 02:15:25,880 --> 02:15:32,300 kids do it and be back mark to make it seem like the old fire and to gold ring 1105 02:15:32,300 --> 02:15:38,130 content or short so we attach was completely on the part of the Catholic Church prevented nothing 1106 02:15:38,130 --> 02:15:44,790 on the part of the victims no but I also assume that the whole discussion around 1107 02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:51,060 those repressed memories were also used against you in the courtroom oh lawyer in like 1108 02:15:51,060 --> 02:15:57,690 it was used was mainly a product of the catholic church its subtle the the whole 1109 02:15:58,590 --> 02:16:03,900 faking you guys is hardly a problem anymore and more I have it people know the name but 1110 02:16:03,900 --> 02:16:10,110 the Catholics were frail when a lot of people paid a lot of money to get the certificate 1111 02:16:10,110 --> 02:16:15,090 changeable change may this week sun opposite and opinion pieces not about dees 1112 02:16:15,090 --> 02:16:20,490 biology but what worse their dangerous mandelet you a dangerous man runs in it read 1113 02:16:20,490 --> 02:16:24,930 yes on the website of de Volkskrant I will quote a piece of scientific research 1114 02:16:24,930 --> 02:16:29,190 has repeatedly shown that therapists who are convinced of the existence of repression 1115 02:16:29,190 --> 02:16:34,680 suggestively inducing their patients to think they are sexually abusive when 1116 02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:39,480 that abuse never took place and that could then lead to more until now the went 1117 02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:44,520 anyway china and edward thawne mustache aware no i how big is the risk that you like 1118 02:16:44,521 --> 02:16:48,150 psychiatrist recalls events that never happened 1119 02:16:48,150 --> 02:16:59,219 most people want to love their parents and those little boys who loved the Catholic priests 1120 02:16:59,220 --> 02:17:06,000 of the pieces they sold so people like to do the right things with types of them 1121 02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:12,420 don't want to renumber the misery and so it's actually very hard to deal with people 1122 02:17:12,420 --> 02:17:19,830 talk and talk what happened these are all my people clearly followers they got you from 1123 02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:27,150 loftus that I often have to have and they have never studied relationships within thing is a 1124 02:17:27,150 --> 02:17:34,530 laboratory you can force those people in lousy oil one can with the layout in laboratory so this 1125 02:17:34,530 --> 02:17:41,790 comes from la bardo insights house form and music and house working with for emergencies then you see 1126 02:17:41,790 --> 02:17:48,350 all these things you really have to optimize girl people know that they often can't hide anything 1127 02:17:48,350 --> 02:17:53,900 yes and you say something to someone talk about someone a reminder to talk is pretty much 1128 02:17:53,900 --> 02:18:00,379 impossible to keep just she thing could ambras I have chips for 40 years oh you can prevent would you 1129 02:18:00,380 --> 02:18:06,590 doesn't taste afraid be dogged I've never mistreated a brand in wish and they stay 1130 02:18:06,590 --> 02:18:13,040 terrified of although I tried to stomach them are a very nice person yes so very 1131 02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:18,980 hard to talk things people on the track let alone memories people that way in the 1132 02:18:18,980 --> 02:18:25,040 laughter and yes yes from that the prevention of false declarations is important and to the other 1133 02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:29,269 side is taking victims of sex crimes seriously and prosecuting those sitting there 1134 02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:36,410 you also important wish he bad study that contains this saying and greeks would learn about 1135 02:18:36,410 --> 02:18:41,809 tomato grave the range reliable the people never come to me to can i can you 1136 02:18:41,810 --> 02:18:47,901 explain to me what happens to ruban students they absolutely never want better what we really are 1137 02:18:50,990 --> 02:18:57,920 why they are so fanatical why I still headline in dutch can't see yesterday dat 1138 02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:04,250 i am danger of dutch society what do you think you look like i think that is 1139 02:19:04,250 --> 02:19:09,260 just ridiculous stain I'm a danger of particle society to pick over 1140 02:19:09,260 --> 02:19:15,950 traumhaft it then the i see i see the case goes behind it is unbelievable their 1141 02:19:15,950 --> 02:19:21,050 places say yes he doesn't understand this danger past our society 1142 02:19:23,450 --> 02:19:30,260 who are those people who are so afraid of this reality he went a long time for an iphone 1143 02:19:30,260 --> 02:19:36,260 app takes where the people they are afraid to see how many children are abused 1144 02:19:37,070 --> 02:19:42,740 who are the people who accuse brill op de beeck that she has a false story she 1145 02:19:42,740 --> 02:19:48,500 wrote for money about that her novel who are those people who can't listen because to 1146 02:19:48,500 --> 02:19:56,101 the gante hunter fights very troubled court missile because you laugh korea sweater in oath 1147 02:19:56,101 --> 02:20:01,711 I don't care I think it's very slow that people can't listen to what's happening 1148 02:20:01,711 --> 02:20:06,721 they even a bit what happens in russia they have been prevented by paleness the russians 1149 02:20:06,721 --> 02:20:12,240 for shit the west is our their attacks and trainers and bad people 1150 02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:19,470 regions perfect news trump good news yes and that and and what do you touch that and that people 1151 02:20:19,471 --> 02:20:27,901 say you take her goat take you so that's your problem yes no i know this 1152 02:20:30,030 --> 02:20:35,310 you lead me to them these in this keel vb phantom canker sores yes that's where I 1153 02:20:35,311 --> 02:20:41,610 know again confidence from both within one so i can say with great certainty this is happening 1154 02:20:41,610 --> 02:20:48,631 there because I studied myself very nice I didn't know then start I researched and the discover you 1155 02:20:48,631 --> 02:20:55,230 must experience really curious practice yes fm well I have if you research a piece there 1156 02:20:55,230 --> 02:21:00,720 must do the right if i get your money out there to do your research nice he says i in 1157 02:21:00,721 --> 02:21:07,230 studies the language of all life yes and in the next fragment we are going to see you at work you 1158 02:21:07,230 --> 02:21:13,650 shows us a practical example of a psychodrama session conducted by you pure sugar drama de 1159 02:21:13,650 --> 02:21:20,550 term is earlier tonight and client called jozefien first about that psychodrama what that 1160 02:21:20,551 --> 02:21:27,961 abs so when we talk about getting married we usually talk about what happened but it is already 1161 02:21:27,961 --> 02:21:34,921 a piece of what nothing happened so when you are told as a child you should not have been born 1162 02:21:34,921 --> 02:21:42,631 become and you destroyed us for a while then you don't know what it feels like to be loved as a child how 1163 02:21:42,631 --> 02:21:50,461 that is just a piece that is missing so the question becomes how do you give people experiences that will never 1164 02:21:50,461 --> 02:21:58,620 and there I learned from alpert so who was quite well known and popular in the Netherlands more 1165 02:21:58,620 --> 02:22:06,381 then in america and who taught me sake drama to help all people to venture their physical experiences 1166 02:22:06,381 --> 02:22:14,780 to have wise is in a physical way can it feel like someone loves you and what we 1167 02:22:14,780 --> 02:22:20,301 usually happens in therapy after therapists try to make people feel like I 1168 02:22:20,301 --> 02:22:28,341 do you I behave all those with great attention and respect and now you would know what it means to have it 1169 02:22:28,341 --> 02:22:35,091 attention their respect to be treated but what el paso teach me the wrong persons to 1170 02:22:35,091 --> 02:22:44,690 very wrong place i can think of you as a 70 years man they heat well enough you are years 40 1171 02:22:44,690 --> 02:22:52,400 I maybe now know exactly in the finer or one there what it was like as your mother of 1172 02:22:52,400 --> 02:22:58,220 you hoped to have lived two years yes i guess the look what will you happen to who it is not 1173 02:22:58,221 --> 02:23:04,160 don't know yet understand me the fragment makes a lot clearer and think it should be shortened 1174 02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:12,801 know what the history of this patient is joséphine because what she missed the piece is 1175 02:23:12,801 --> 02:23:19,700 travel movie and she goes to number door and often gets left behind with ruth and she starts that story 1176 02:23:19,700 --> 02:23:25,790 and she says the worst was she couldn't tell the parents what happened 1177 02:23:25,790 --> 02:23:31,641 was with my parents always told me i was a lender terrible person and that 1178 02:23:31,641 --> 02:23:37,101 completely things with will happen because I am a circle a third through the in one that I like 1179 02:23:37,101 --> 02:23:45,440 wife travel alone your parents mario jets guy expect them and i could do this with no one 1180 02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:51,110 Telling no one is what makes me not lost with her parents yes a number of friends 1181 02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:59,390 so so and so you will insist to have a stuff feel like the parents of the held in between 1182 02:23:59,391 --> 02:24:06,171 two cars couldn't be mine it comes from playing with people things together alcar door yes 1183 02:24:06,171 --> 02:24:11,210 discover and that's what we're going to see in this psychodrama session with jozef in 1184 02:24:13,270 --> 02:24:17,619 Okay 1185 02:24:17,619 --> 02:24:22,569 kpn boy 1186 02:24:22,569 --> 02:24:29,979 me a 1187 02:24:29,979 --> 02:24:47,439 sperm whale I'm out of here okay I need you just as much is a cost per poster yes 1188 02:24:47,439 --> 02:25:01,269 their teachers on music music just extra 1189 02:25:01,270 --> 02:25:08,949 time ipad itself and 1190 02:25:08,949 --> 02:25:15,069 it's possible 1191 02:25:21,159 --> 02:25:21,519 and you 1192 02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:48,490 and play yours 1193 02:25:53,409 --> 02:26:00,340 yes and there he was actually it is cold so I'm going for a while 1194 02:26:03,310 --> 02:26:06,399 bimbo on your screen and the level 1195 02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:18,039 arnhem dsm endlessly about printer 1196 02:26:20,380 --> 02:26:21,430 hello cares 1197 02:26:25,630 --> 02:26:36,430 with dt kill that boy and you arthurs arm on flyers second tickle and what i don't 1198 02:26:36,430 --> 02:26:49,920 here on well article 5 it all oh my god what have it here albion de nestlé h and bios 1199 02:27:10,069 --> 02:27:10,609 the same 1200 02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:27,401 that and a thousand you are 1201 02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:50,200 harry's and there angers that was and is me 1202 02:27:50,200 --> 02:27:57,220 have is my fall for my 1203 02:27:57,220 --> 02:28:00,550 video's 1204 02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:51,600 and 1205 02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:59,850 oh my god no ohh 1206 02:28:59,850 --> 02:29:03,689 it's a smart 1207 02:29:03,689 --> 02:29:15,419 house those helmets I'm in love I'm actually 1208 02:29:16,229 --> 02:29:23,819 highbury took off my pants and I saw so fresh meat 1209 02:30:03,540 --> 02:30:13,350 yes the it does not affect me because i click you m i raiders in european that i 1210 02:30:13,350 --> 02:30:20,489 am not traumatized and i don't know how much i did better i learned now why say 1211 02:30:20,489 --> 02:30:24,630 yes this sounds very big and dramatic because of marco when I host in my last summer 1212 02:30:24,630 --> 02:30:30,060 sitting a bit too sober myself no I once had a very serious accident in south africa and 1213 02:30:30,060 --> 02:30:35,159 when I called my father you who didn't why did you with your stupid head of a waterfall had 1214 02:30:35,159 --> 02:30:42,239 jumped but he would immediately I'm coming and I calculate very de me that there suddenly and I thought 1215 02:30:42,239 --> 02:30:48,989 oh yes I never had a trauma there and never turn urine for your back yes realized this now 1216 02:30:48,989 --> 02:30:57,209 that on one then all in all a difference in the world it's me you so people can can 1217 02:30:57,209 --> 02:31:03,720 the terrible there were no go snakes my people to the so are we we are it is 1218 02:31:03,720 --> 02:31:10,919 in members of tribes belong together and as long as we feed they belong together curver everything 1219 02:31:10,919 --> 02:31:19,020 go yes unity or rain where the loneliness if you do that much of the summer 1220 02:31:19,020 --> 02:31:27,029 the mother who does not see it yes and the parents who recognize the and yes and then I can stay away from the 1221 02:31:27,029 --> 02:31:34,979 absolutely denying such a low point I am also free and relational skeptic off 1222 02:31:34,979 --> 02:31:41,249 because I wouldn't do this so quickly, example after that, you don't have to do that, but it's going to be fun 1223 02:31:41,249 --> 02:31:46,020 to do me too we go that is also a form of fooling yourself because she knows of course 1224 02:31:46,020 --> 02:31:52,979 I'm sure they're not her parents and you hear those things said and yet she tells herself 1225 02:31:52,979 --> 02:31:59,849 the crazy and yet it worked how is that so that you have human rights atmosphere became a you your left 1226 02:31:59,850 --> 02:32:05,249 have atmosphere is logical and language and so you straighten in my atmosphere where the window where is it 1227 02:32:05,249 --> 02:32:10,890 in our own research not visible when people are in two arms corps remote right brain 1228 02:32:10,890 --> 02:32:15,989 are your feelings and brains but also your special relationship people and once you get it in 1229 02:32:15,989 --> 02:32:21,630 the space starts to play out you have a whole different experience that travel liquor stores more important 1230 02:32:21,630 --> 02:32:29,669 I'm not sure I've done with all kinds of policemen and tough people and 1231 02:32:29,669 --> 02:32:36,720 as soon as they say you can play my dad they already get feelings about dad and they say 1232 02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:42,449 never you are not really my father encouraged to immediately or they are just there for you 1233 02:32:42,449 --> 02:32:49,649 before you play it spatially and if you play it is your space then time counts 1234 02:32:49,649 --> 02:32:55,349 no more it's not from then or the hopefully will happen you get the ear through military 1235 02:32:55,350 --> 02:33:01,770 this is really a great interesting but also from now on now news what is happening 1236 02:33:01,770 --> 02:33:07,710 and then the movie you told me you try everything yourself ok cause i got drugs and pretend 1237 02:33:07,710 --> 02:33:13,470 you're done it's you the little boy in the basement that cried already dead you do now but early 1238 02:33:13,470 --> 02:33:22,770 more than my mother however was not at all and by having done this it so I 1239 02:33:22,770 --> 02:33:28,320 have a very sweet mother in my life i know exactly how a training angels' we should dear 1240 02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:34,410 maud I know how it feels and you have you feel it now thanks to a row then technique your 1241 02:33:34,410 --> 02:33:39,870 the and that lives were also good luck at threatening but this has helped immensely to 1242 02:33:39,870 --> 02:33:49,439 became oho adds happens yes and so really to have experiences that give you new impressions 1243 02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:56,040 gives is a very important part of therapy that and you see a hair everything as the marches with 1244 02:33:56,040 --> 02:34:03,000 do then she starts smiling is there thank you is in really taking it so he asleep smart 1245 02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:07,860 girl who is very easy and the could have said yes there sit but there I go 1246 02:34:07,860 --> 02:34:12,929 to do but once went to bed very well also criteria yes it's not enough 1247 02:34:12,930 --> 02:34:19,620 just orientable fill so is the moment in the welding crane mountaineering with the you find it 1248 02:34:19,620 --> 02:34:24,210 is you have to travel again because it takes he they listen but she also has a lot is their life 1249 02:34:24,840 --> 02:34:30,090 kees left a boyfriend behind on ria because her father was a very difficult man 1250 02:34:30,090 --> 02:34:35,729 told someone the final i chose love someone intimate relationships and we go yes now go 1251 02:34:35,729 --> 02:34:43,830 have to say and with this called psychodrama yoga lottery examples of treatment methods of which 1252 02:34:43,830 --> 02:34:51,000 you see in practice that they work and my research all these club series on the street but it 1253 02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:55,979 girls are not taken seriously by everyone so how important do you think that scientific 1254 02:34:55,979 --> 02:35:01,750 substantiation of treatment method I need it to be taken seriously by everyone my 1255 02:35:01,750 --> 02:35:07,271 purple we don't know and that this will work well or a kiss I think you 1256 02:35:07,271 --> 02:35:12,221 that scientific substantiation how expensive so very important do you think that is very 1257 02:35:12,221 --> 02:35:19,660 important you click well i i have i can really tell if you tell me where the netherlands i 1258 02:35:19,660 --> 02:35:26,440 have researched more different methods of ramming the tires than anyone else all sorts 1259 02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:31,419 hidden village but like yoga for example that is not scientifically moving tony you are 1260 02:35:31,420 --> 02:35:37,990 what do you think all your three steering wheel senor given a base funny stuff we did brain scans 1261 02:35:37,990 --> 02:35:43,301 form of yoga jurgis completely proven proven method are you curious what I am also a 1262 02:35:43,301 --> 02:35:47,471 hobby but I still have what is then how is a reasonable movement that it works just look it up 1263 02:35:49,900 --> 02:35:57,610 under the name the is it and then you see organ for pythius one for afterwards see your brain people 1264 02:35:57,610 --> 02:36:04,930 brain change so that was not so difficult more scientifically proven anyway more 1265 02:36:04,931 --> 02:36:09,700 the like the window is much more difficult because the much you will film improvisation one more you brave 1266 02:36:09,700 --> 02:36:14,680 endures change things graze very hard and make gates cool for it so that's still 1267 02:36:14,681 --> 02:36:21,551 is a bit more in its infancy for that matter I don't think it will ever happen the 1268 02:36:21,551 --> 02:36:30,700 the wizard method swimming farts widget to make those subtle things all too rigid ours 1269 02:36:30,700 --> 02:36:37,301 quick guide and respond to really travel you through this fun swimming like new york do 1270 02:36:37,301 --> 02:36:42,370 they we now have that the have that do that have that and your score is that one those are the variables 1271 02:36:42,370 --> 02:36:49,420 its easy to do but it would behave you never know what you're going to do big kiss and 1272 02:36:49,420 --> 02:36:58,181 took a girl to play for my father than this one although you would rather be known as a thorough 1273 02:36:58,181 --> 02:37:06,650 scientist or pioneer can glimpse if I'm alive I've done good I've good 1274 02:37:06,650 --> 02:37:14,571 things proved i need people to thin look more look deeper i can't stand if 1275 02:37:14,571 --> 02:37:20,600 people I tell you the answer wounded because our minds are very complicated in 1276 02:37:20,601 --> 02:37:27,021 culture such a penny complicated the everyone who says I have the answer to such a vague color that 1277 02:37:27,021 --> 02:37:31,611 is ridiculous we haven't been able to say any answers that helps a little that helps a little 1278 02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:36,921 maybe biography helps your one the next person doesn't help what you're the door yoga 1279 02:37:36,921 --> 02:37:43,311 hope to weigh something always look i also put very skeptical about bags daleks they fall in our 1280 02:37:43,311 --> 02:37:49,791 study had with 91 people with almost all went very well but I do not know whether the 1281 02:37:49,791 --> 02:37:55,221 next study bind searches their waist would feel just as good but you say if it helps 1282 02:37:55,221 --> 02:38:02,061 then it helps and that's what it's about yes for me figuring it out is also very interesting I'm real 1283 02:38:02,061 --> 02:38:08,091 the research not far from your house near boston' finds the annual shakespeare festival 1284 02:38:08,091 --> 02:38:14,541 place where students from 10 different high schools perform Shakespeare plays 1285 02:38:15,440 --> 02:38:18,951 that's what show you then well i wanted to show you something else i wanted to show 1286 02:38:18,951 --> 02:38:25,461 see yes it bled a bit different background you for it yes this program actually program week 1287 02:38:25,461 --> 02:38:32,511 i find and sisters in band is called shakespeare the fever i live in berkshire county is the one 1288 02:38:32,511 --> 02:38:37,221 of the most written I am a sigh sensire das nederland to drive over another fragment 1289 02:38:37,221 --> 02:38:42,711 tell what we're not going to all things I'm going this will be there was communion today because if you like it 1290 02:38:42,711 --> 02:38:48,801 you steal in cars or you break into the people their and you get judged you have a 50% chance 1291 02:38:48,801 --> 02:38:55,311 as a youth to be sentenced to scroll a Shakespeare and get better and better 1292 02:38:55,311 --> 02:39:05,360 in jail but now you'll be deputy I don't understand what you're saying the floor loan is to a 1293 02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:11,769 Shakespeare to become an actor yes because we have good contacts with judges who are smart 1294 02:39:11,770 --> 02:39:17,319 get through things you have to learn to play a role that is different from the role that 1295 02:39:17,319 --> 02:39:23,259 called normal plays and if you is very deep in the theater tech camp you can really feel oh 1296 02:39:23,260 --> 02:39:30,970 this is how it feels to be a mighty king or all are a different people you can 1297 02:39:30,970 --> 02:39:37,569 is feeling physically in order to experience what it is like to be different people from the people you 1298 02:39:37,569 --> 02:39:43,449 normally yes and dutch expert in the cord that is one that is so then people are judged 1299 02:39:43,449 --> 02:39:47,590 but then they go to seat baron the czech do what you see what for you but what we go 1300 02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:52,539 seeing all the clarity is teams can high schools with students who also 1301 02:39:52,539 --> 02:39:58,750 shakespeare play yes but yes so based on the switch can briefly speak some michiel trap 1302 02:40:14,170 --> 02:40:23,590 colonial competitors for me the learning how to you think physically and so come 1303 02:40:26,091 --> 02:40:39,561 this a summertime wallpaper desk and so much time a connect rolled soon it will be quiet 1304 02:40:52,620 --> 02:41:08,010 yes fake it to be larger morals going marco rangers of the opportunity's otherwise 1305 02:41:18,330 --> 02:41:23,580 the ftp server wine glass vromer has ubisoft wow it scored 1306 02:41:23,580 --> 02:41:28,080 have on your shirt gray wicker friends this allows the the small open the map 1307 02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:33,300 the expansion of aspects of sauce that you the chicken commission to reveal 1308 02:41:37,380 --> 02:41:43,620 en discus de me safe place for them to explore this a mobile that went steaks at intervals 1309 02:41:43,620 --> 02:41:50,730 lovers shakespeare the management falling in love it him cells and falling in love it each other 1310 02:41:50,730 --> 02:41:59,879 for girls working on shakespeare special painless it a white knight looked hard and huge place so 1311 02:41:59,880 --> 02:42:08,070 small king lear forecourt why hamlet more subtle absolutely true the tassel what it is needed in 1312 02:42:08,070 --> 02:42:13,650 the marquis over the lock and dishonorable ball to play sports in an organized by side chick atmosphere he 1313 02:42:13,650 --> 02:42:21,430 cried all the emotions and simon thin motor i am i my other lexa do in bath radio shakespeare 1314 02:42:21,431 --> 02:42:28,330 major actors and nike what has a mgz with it to you nice hey sal give you give you the variety 1315 02:42:28,330 --> 02:42:36,370 of motion the gender bond is so introduction week food sermon went and who's the scoop the back 1316 02:42:36,370 --> 02:42:44,590 en weekend mee wil een score file export women and not really interesting things for young woman to 1317 02:42:44,590 --> 02:42:52,690 deal with just be king those words games grains another experience oh good yarasky my diet 1318 02:42:52,690 --> 02:43:01,419 that and brand and society and general a thousand times carla syncros hi year will you by my ankle 1319 02:43:01,420 --> 02:43:07,960 was through a show but also region fell yes and make it here this is what it is all about is teak 1320 02:43:15,690 --> 02:43:21,060 this because i have found a separate speakers that habermas have her so it shouldn't be too 1321 02:43:21,061 --> 02:43:26,370 what is a mizuno wave is but news i like or via images his mother judith and i think 1322 02:43:26,370 --> 02:43:33,000 from shakespeare enough brown skin and you had to risk a cent and you will therefore be equal to here and 1323 02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:39,990 so monogamous here so now also a risk and by taking on these goals er able so they axel year 1324 02:43:39,990 --> 02:43:50,070 have for quiet and had to be quiet how do you keep passions in the festival higgs boson opportunity to 1325 02:43:50,070 --> 02:44:01,290 express van de colony 4.de culture at school my neck and lau him express metal patient160296

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