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(kissing noises)

(background touristy music)

I forgot to tell you I saw Evripidis the other day

and he told me he saw two guys fucking at the beach

let me tell you about this

(sound of waves)

(inaudible chat)

-I don't promise -You don't promise

-But is it good music?

-No, it depends on the mood of the DJ

-Like in skullbar?

-It's always about... yeah

-There is places that play good music -No

-Mostly -No, no, no, I doesn't happen like that here really

-You have to find the day -Yes, it's how it comes, you know!

-... so much free drugs because I can tell her all these greek jokes, she's like.. -Yeah? ... Perfect!

-Kallia, Kallia -Babe, I am always watching for you, see, even in straight bars

-The first thing I tell her is: "I am..." - Kοντοπούτανο (A short whore) - Kοντοπούτανο

-Yes you are a fucking κοντοπούτανο!

-There isn't so many Greeks in Berlin... I just had one with a huge cock -Who?

-...the hair -...you don't have...

-Ok, you can't do this job (laughs) -Do, do! Go down! Go down!

-What am I to do? You have a perfect ass.

-Symposium means like a gala... or like a...

-You know? -A gala? -Yeah...

-Where people meet and talk about things? -Yeah, where important people meet and talk things

So in ancient greece...Symposium was about noble men

and in Symposium of Plato... they are trying to...

...catch the true meaning of love... you know?

also they talk about gay love, you know this is one of the

minimum (few) written stories about gays at the time

because there was indeed a gay couple an adult gay couple

in the Symposium...which, whose name I don't remember you know? ...but...

it was really weird for gay men at that time to be a couple

because society needed a man and a woman to form a house

and a house needed to have consistency and continuity

but if the house was formed by two men it couldn't have continuity, so

this is how capitalism and patriarchy began to spoil the true meaning of love

which is, you know, to mate with the one that

helps you be yourself the best way, because

that's what was all about, because, this is why they let older men be with younger men

you know, they had this kind of... they formed this relationship of mentor pupil

so..well...

they went really batshit if a mentor was fucking the pupil because they thought...

-What? Say that again? -they went batshit crazy if the mentor was fucking the pupil

because... they thought that...

passive sex... would harm the boy... in...

...in the following way... he would love it, like the woman loves the cock...

-U-hum -...so he would concetrate his life on finding cock

-Like me! -Like you! Actually my κοντοπούτανο! (both laugh)

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(laugs) -OK, then? -Emmm

-What was I saying?.... -That...if the men... -You have a great ass

-If the men fucked the boy, tatata -oh yeah, yeah, yeah

...so the boy would live the rest of his life looking for cock...

and they didn't want that they wanted the boy to be civilized

-civilized.... meaning...having to do with... -a proper man...an english lord

-an english lord.... having to with society, politics -Noooo....no....

-having to with society, politics etc etc -make philosophy studies

well philosophy was not for all, like, what an ancient athenian citizen needed to do at least

-...to be a proper citizen...is... attend -to be top.... (both laugh)... to be top

-Yes they had to be top...unfortunately

-that's when the whole masculine top alpha male theory began, you know? -Exactly

that's when it started!

yeah of course the greeks were the first femme phobic ever

-Homophobic? -Femme phobic, you know?

they hate femmininity in men because, they think it's a weakness

like it would be weak to be like a woman, or look like a woman, you know?

-So, a guy dressed as a girl -It's not good!...They say....

Well, somebody really turned on, gay or straight, I see that, it's fun

-from girls from girly boys?

-...and actually it's more weird when gay guys get turned on by, you know?

-Yes of course -Like I don't know, like,

-Straight guys -Straight guys I see the point -like yeah, it's really like normal to me

-if they... - like a girly boy -yeah...

-when I make the half-drag appearances and they -..like you -yes and they're like ohhh...

-but when the gays... -they are like mmm! -when the gays are like that I am wow he's special

-you know? -it's true because he's open minded

-yeah you really have to be open minded -you don't have to -in a masculine society of gays

-no I don't think so -oh curse Vallianatos really!

-what is that? -I am sorry -No, κατάρα στον Βαλλιανάτο was like

-curse to Vallianatos, Vallianatos was like the president of homosexuals in Greece

-the what? -the president of, you know like the, yeah, yeah, yeah

well actually he is a friend of mine now, but what he did and was bad was...

in the 80s the basic, you know... em... radical....

... what do I mean?...how do se say... his argument, the bases of his arguments

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...tolerance and equal rights....

but basing it on the fact that... look we are gay men, and we may be gay, but we are men, so

you know? He became the whole be masculine, masc for masc situation in Greece

like gays that needed -be men! -that needed to to look like straight men in order to be accepted

which was really a bad thing because at the same point

transvestites, trans women, girly boys, were all left out -Inter kids -Were all left out!

-So, only you and the guys that -wear a cap -feel like...you know, yeah they wear a cap

-and they think... yeah like you! -and the muscles... like me

-you are one of the masc for masc but you are a sissy masc -but I like boys like this what can I do?

-I like men men -Yeah but you don't, you know that they are not masc masc for real

-You know? -I do like them a lot...

-No, but you do know that they are not masculine, like, do you consider yourself like that masculine? - No, not at all

-Ok -Not at all I consider myself half-half

-What's that? FF? -Half-half!

-Yes, you are! Ok you're not, you're more like 70-30 but ok

-In the way I act -In the way you act -But in the way I think

- The way you think you are the opposite 70-30 -85 girl... yes (both laugh)

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